Painkiller Already - PKA 691 W/ Hutch: Helldivers Propaganda, Banning TikTok, No Fap Batman

Episode Date: March 15, 2024

pka 691 our guest hutch taylor anything yes this episode is brought to you by pharaohdistro.com and of course as always lock and load talk more about them later hutch looking great thank you for joining us what's up guys good to be here we were talking about gaming which is a natural foray into all of our interests this new hell divers game kyle's obsessed with it have you played at all hutch i played it just one time with Bruce and Nanners and Gassy and I had a good time with it. Is Bruce X Cal?

No. Well, he's Bruce, but I'm talking about Bruce Green. Oh, we know Bruce. Has he been on the show? Yeah. He's awesome. Bruce is a good guy. But no, yeah, I think I've only played for like three and a half hours um but you guys are kyle you're super into it i've been playing i started late because i was still obsessed with tarkov but i've been playing for maybe a week now

and i really like it i like uh i like the starship trooper uh references or influence or whatever you want to call it i saw that casper van dian the main actor from starship troopers is interacting with the ceo on twitter uh going back and forth and the ceo is like maybe we need to add some roughnecks to the game what do you guys think and casper van dian's like i work for money let's do it for sure put him in a commercial that's like such an easy layup that's what they're asking for him and um who's the gay one who was the like that he had doogie howser what i don't know doogie howser um that actor yeah they want yeah he would be good too they were great in that movie um so i like that

a lot that brings me into it right away and and one of the enemy types is just copy pasted from those movies uh the arachnids from that movie are the terminus from this game. They even do this thing when they see you where they're like, like open their mouths and just kind of scream at you and sort of flutter some like thrills. And it's like, that's from the fucking movie. And so like,

I, I enjoy that part. Is hell divers the game where there's flying insects, but the company's denying the existence of flying insects? Yeah. Yeah. yeah, yeah. I saw that. Yeah, the CEO is sort of acting as the minister of propaganda, and he's like,

any reports you may have heard of flying enemies, complete dissident nonsense, okay? Report anyone telling you that sort of thing to your local Liberty police right away. They'll be sent to a freedom camp. Dude, that's such a fun way to handle a game. I love that. That's so...

Playing into the flavor, building the lore, having fun. There's more games to design. It's interesting because there is no campaign, per se. There's no storyline. There's no single-player missions. It's just the co-op sort of Halo ODST drop-in four-man squads. You can play solo if odst drop in four-man squads we can play solo if you want the

four-man squads and and smash and kill and do objectives and then get the fuck out extract and reportedly there were halo devs that pitched a very similar game and bungee turned it down yeah um but yeah can you explain the thing that you did on pkn about how expendable you are in the tutorial i loved it so fucking much every time oh yeah jackie like like i don't like it's got a great tutorial you start and they teach you like this is how you shoot and you go and everything just dies in front of you these paper fucking targets or whatever it's like this is how you jump all right this is how you crawl all right got it all right this is gonna be a You graduated. A confetti goes off and you stand there.

You get your cape. They put a cape on you. And I'm like, all I know how to do is shoot and run and crawl. And that's all you need, soldier. Here's your very own flight to Star Destroyer. It's yours. Fly it wherever you'd like. It tells you to go to a kiosk and there's just a pool of blood next to the kiosk.

You're just like, what the fuck are we doing here? Yeah. So are you supposed to just be like a conscript who was pulled into fight? You're completely expendable. You have no value, basically. So they train you for 45 seconds

and they send you off and you die. You're incredibly expendable. It's my kind of campaign for a shooter. You're just constantly dying. You don't need to live to complete the missions. That's interesting. I didn't realize that.

We would complete a mission and then we'd fail to extract and be like, mission accomplished! They don't care that you're dead. That's funny. I like the flavor of that. What's different, though, is they've got that sort of dungeon master guy who's running the overall galactic war and deciding what's happening.

And keeping with the satire of the whole thing, they're like, all right, there are these four planets. This is like a mission they gave the whole big update. There's four planets right on the border of us and the bug systems. We need you to go to these planets and release termicide. We're going to gas the whole planet.

And so everybody's working to gas those planets. And it's already been leaked, like a little spoiler if you care about that game storyline. But what's going to happen is the so everybody's working to gas those planets. And it's already been leaked. A little spoiler if you care about that game's storyline. But what's going to happen is the Terminicide's going to just mutate them and make them worse. Of course. So it's always little stuff like that. I think that's on the right side of the

galaxy. And if you're on the left side of the galaxy, you fight the Terminators, which I don't really enjoy fighting too much because they're mean. Dude, they're rough. Those guys are tough. So those aren't insects. fighting too much because they're mean dude they're rough those guys are tough so those are insects they have guns they're way terminators um so so there's like their standard terminator like like just metal endoskeleton with a with a light with like a laser uh rifle but then there'll be like giant men with two chainsaw arms chasing you and big armored things and like at80s or the walkers rather from star Wars, they just rip those right off.

That thing's crawling at you. Um, and then they'll just drop a giant tank in sometimes like a literal tank tank that like nothing hurts it unless you shoot it in this little square in the back. Right. That's how all the enemies are. They've got this tiny little weak point that you've got to,

you've got to target. So yeah, that, that game has been fun. And I was saying earlier, like if anybody's's got it like buy yourself a stream deck because you can put all your stratagems on this little fucking keypad and be a real star commander and you just you know one button are those all the stratagems or are those no you're 15 favorite or 20 favorite yeah there's nothing to hit what do you mean color the picture there's like there's a button to hit. What do you mean? The color, the picture. There's like 20 buttons on there. Yeah, that one shows like two bombs on a plane or rockets or...

Those icons mean something to you? It's calling in like a... Well, yeah, because I play the game. I thought they were like default that came with Stream Deck. Oh, so, okay, with Stream Deck, I can make these anything. Like, I could make this one YouTube, and it would be the YouTube icon. Like, there's a... I downloaded this whole pack that's all the things, in my software over there i can just drag and drop

different ones they automatically update with the correct codes on them and it's uh it's seamless it's super it's like the killstreak uh icons in cod so like you know you just use whatever that yeah you start to know them how many strategies we're in a i think we're in a golden age of of gaming right now like there's a lot of like crap live service stuff but i don't understand the people that are that trying to make the case that you know games in 2009 were way better like i just don't agree with that at all there's so many options now 2009 was a big year though because you sort of had this bloom of games that all happened and halo 3 and and like like a number of the greats that we think of,

um, maybe borderlands back then too. There's probably 2009 is when online gaming was really born somewhere around there. That's when like left for dead was popular. Conflict mainstream popular console, console, online gaming.

That's when it, cause PC had been doing online stuff for a while, but when it really broke into the mainstream was, was, yeah, it was 2009 was was definitely the birth, I would say. Yeah, yeah. I should have mentioned something about mainstream, but yeah, that's when, shucks, headsets and microphones were just sort of hitting the deck in the console world.

Yeah, the consoles. No, I agree with you. I think right now, some of the best games I've ever played have been the last couple of years. Baldur's Gate 3 was such a home home run like i've never played an rpg i i always thought of the l um what is the elder scrolls games um as like the pinnacle of rpgs but this blows that shit out of the water it really does it's like it's a genre defining game it took it took the best from multiple games

and then it wrote its own shit like i like that you can get fucked by a bear in that game it took it took the best from multiple games and then it wrote its own shit like i like that you can get fucked by a bear in that game it's hilarious you're talking about hell divers right now and just how we are i think in like a real golden age of gaming i think some of the games i don't like elden ring but it's clearly a masterpiece i don't like those um didn't a uh zelda game or something like that come out that was like crazy good? I never got into Zelda. It's tough because on Switch, like you can download an emulator and play it in 4K, 60 frames,

but on Switch, they really stretched the tech as far as they could go for that handheld. It's a really cool game, but I'm such a snob. It's just really hard for me to play a game that dips down to 15 frames and I just can't do it. I just really can for me to play a game that dips down to 15 frames and i just i just

can't do it i just really can't do it but it's really cool the stuff that they did but they really like did stuff that no other you build it's hard to explain but like you you can put gadgets together you can build like tanks you can build flying devices to get places and the way that you build them is really unique i've just never seen another game do that i'm curious about elden ring though how much time did you actually give that game before you gave up on it 25 minutes i got i i got just butt fucked by the night in the beginning and i was like this is this is too much for me like i'll i probably i probably did about 10 hours um and then you gave it a go on your old college try. Yeah.

And I did some research, too, on just watching people play and listening to people talk about the issues that I had with it, which I don't remember quite well. I know I had some issues with the difficulty, but that's just those games. That's just Dark Souls-like games. And if you're not into that, you're not into that. And I don't think I am.

I tried to cheese that first boss the way you could cheese the giant in skyrim and it did not play there was something about the npcs and how the npcs worked um that i didn't care for um i do like that traditional did you like it hutch i loved elder but but it took a minute because the game is the the like some of the systems come across as like really rudimentary and so they don't they that's a game that does not hold your hand at all so you you open the doors and you and you see limb grave and uh the game centers the sort of like cinematography on your ultimate goal which is this giant erd tree but it doesn't it doesn't tell you like where to go it doesn't like doesn't tell you any of that there's no quest tracker or anything and this is culturally a big part of

from software games is they just it's just part of the deal is like you just got to figure it out and for me i was used to i'm used to like dummy ubisoft games which tells you exactly like what to do and exactly what order and it gives you these giant quest markers. And so initially that was frustrating, but me playing it on a 32 by nine screen, like I have the super ultra wide screen and visually the game is just so impressive and immersive that it makes you want to like discover more things in the world. And so I had never played a front side, never played like discover more things in the world and so it i had never played a front

i'd never played like dark souls before playing the game so like it was rough for the first 20 hours 20 hours dude it was rough dude this skill required is what scared me off of that game so i'm currently bad at games i'm not gaming a lot a little mortal combat with my son but but that's it and i'm so i'm currently bad. Taylor plays games. Kyle's good at games. And both of them said it's too hard. We have like Patreon hangouts and stuff with our fans. And some of them are great at games.

You know, those top 0.1% in Call of Duty, for example. Like they're great at games, Rust. And they said it was too hard. And it's like, God darn, if they think it's too hard what hope do i have scum is loving it scum's playing it right now he just now got into it like coincidentally they were talking about it and he's been like come on kyle download that download this game and i'm like dude i downloaded it when it fucking came out i bought it like an hour after it was possible i pre-ordered that shit i don't like it it. It's not for me. I'll tell you what else I did

in my 10 hours of playing it. I never had any fun. When I would win fights, I didn't care. That's a problem sometimes when people try to get me into games. I'm like, yeah, but guys,

we'll get all the credits, we'll get all the gold, and then what will guys like like okay okay we'll get all the credits we'll get all the gold and then what will we do oh we'll buy a grenade launcher for our guns okay well that completely changed what this game is about well no you'll be able to kill the crabs more faster i don't like killing the crabs guys oh well you don't like the game then this is crab killer The upgrade system they have is really... It's kind of complicated. You have to get a specific kind of stone to upgrade specific

weapons, and then you need another one. You can only get these stones in caves. I'm okay with that. It's just a lot. There's a lot to learn. What was the other game that was like a remake of an older game that we just played a

shit ton of last year? It's like the third or fourth sequel of something. Was it that top-down one that I saw you play? Yeah. Total War? Warhammer 3? No. It's the one where you've got one character

and you're running around and you're... Vermintide? Google games that came out last year. That's going to take so long, man. Did you guys play, for example, Jedi Survivor or the first one, Fallen Order?

No, I've never played a Star Wars game. I played Battlefront back in the day. That was so much fun. Battlefront's dope, but Jedi Survivor's a very different kind of game it's like very they call it souls like now it's like dark souls game inspired a whole genre where it's basically really difficult and when you die you drop you know your points or whatever you want to call them and you have to go back to that spot to get your points and if you die a second time you don't get them but um it's just a different kind of gaming experience so you have So you have to enjoy the satisfaction of dying like 30 times. And then when you finally beat that boss

and that dopamine rush that you get, that's the thing that makes you want to keep going. Yeah, I totally get that with games. I've played nothing in the past year other than Age of Empires 2, the definitive edition one. And it's so static. Is's like a real-time strategy real-time top-down strategy so you like play as the mayans or persians or fucking incas or something and it's war and economy and it's so satisfying to go online and beat someone in that

because it's like chess where it's like oh you know i i scouted i predicted what they were doing and despite them trying their best to fuck up my eco and everything, I defended, I got over them, I won. And then conversely, it's that other side where you're just watching as your own base gets wrecked by someone way better than you. And you're like, oh, I'm having no fun, but I'm really motivated to figure out exactly what I did wrong

and how this guy got over on me. You have to want to know how to win the fight like and if you just don't care you're gonna you're gonna put it down after 30 minutes or an hour it was diablo 4 i was thinking of taylor here's my question though about a game like that yeah diablo 4 was fun um it was very flawed it got way too easy at the end and then i we i think that's why we both lost interest it was just an 80 hour mark once i got i had a moment when i was playing the game at 80 hours in where i was like why am i still doing this yeah i didn't have a good answer and so i was like i think i'm good like i got 80 hours

no i got like my value all right i got to the point that i could hold down x and my production of corpses is far out like you were eating the amount i did yeah i was a necromancer and it was like every all these corpses are floating it's just like eating the amount i did yeah i was a necromancer and it was like every all these corpses are floating it's just like the easiest thing ever yeah yeah i would see like all my friends in my party like they're microing and doing their skills and it's like you guys are crazy just hold x like just and it blows up every corpse you blow up makes three somehow it's like someone wasn't doing the math in the late game here it did play really well with the controller which was nice like if i give it give me the option between a controller and a mouse and keyboard i'm gonna i'm gonna pick

a controller most of the time unless it's like a competitive shooter like cod now yeah have you invested in wasd yet and like gotten good with in aoe yeah age of empires 2 is one of the most hotkey intensive games out there and so i'm i'm pretty good on that uh i would say i'm probably not that good at it in shooters because i just i prefer rts as a genre like the only reason i like aoe2 so much is because i like that medieval flavor the bows and arrows the swords the siege towers and trebuchets if i was like a space sci-fi guy i would be playing starcraft did you guys play um balder's gate with a controller or did you use a mouse and keyboard? I didn't play much with

Baldur's Gate. I used mouse and keyboard. I used mouse and keyboard for everything, even when people were like, no, you gotta use controller, trust me. No, fuck you. Although, I went back and forth on Elden Ring, because they were like, Kyle, you've been using a mouse and keyboard? You're crazy. That's why it's so hard. And then I played a shit ton more with a controller and hated it. Dude, Diablo

was made for controller. I played the whole first half of my a controller and hated it. Dude, Diablo was like made for controller. Like I played the whole first half of my Diablo experience on mouse and keyboard. And then my buddy, who's a way better PC gamer than me, was like, why are you not using a controller? This is so honed for controller. Switch to a controller. It was immediately easier. Way better. So sometimes I ended up picking up Baldur's Gate because you guys, because you Kyle were pushing it so hard the last time I was on.

And so I was like, fuck it. I literally downloaded it that night and I put, I think like 70 or 80 hours into that game. I had never played Dungeons and Dragons before and never had any kind of, never had any interest in it. And so the first 10 hours I'm like getting used to stuff. I'm like,

I don't know if I want to keep playing, but then something happened and I turned a corner and i was like dude everything you do you got to like level three or five like somewhere in there and and and suddenly you get like a little it's one of those things where you get like your third weapon or your third perk or something it's like oh it's clicking now yeah now it's well everything felt so consequential like every decision i made like you could tell i'm like oh this would have been drastically different had i gone in that direction and uh dude that game was like a genre defining game like it was easily my favorite game of last year unless they're the greatest dev of all time and they make like a vaulters gate four you know like in two years

i bet that's going to be a classic game a decade from now. Oh, for sure. It'll be the remastered version. People will be playing that shit on their refrigerators. The like hour that we played together, Kyle, and you were walking me through a bit of it and we met that one kind of smug elf guy or whatever

early on. I was like, let's kill this guy. I don't care for him one bit. He's being rude to me and my compatriots, and so we kill them. And you get to just do that. Yeah, we kill them, and afterward, Kyle's like, so, Taylor, this guy is wildly important to what you need to be doing.

And I'm like, oh, so we probably shouldn't have done that, and you're like, no, no, we really shouldn't have done that. I killed Hal. He was the village leader. Who's the bear guy's name? it halseen is that his name um oh it's not halsem it's something like that yeah i killed him i i killed him i had no idea that was like an important druid i was telling my chat the next day i was like yeah i killed a bear yesterday and they were like wait what where did you kill the bear i was like i was in some prison they were

like you fucking idiot like this guy's like really important for act two and three from what and like my my fiance's playing it and so i'm kind of i get to see a little bit about like how it played out i'm like fuck i should not have killed it and in my first playthrough i i didn't realize that i needed house and so like i completed the second act successfully. And the whole second act is like this land is poisoned by a curse. Howson is the guy who removes the curse. Yeah. I left without removing the curse. You can free like a little pixie and then she'll like give you light or whatever.

But yeah. Yeah. It sounds like all of us moved on from first person shoot. I mean, what do you said? You're not playing games anymore. Just a little. I'm playing with my son. We play Mortal Kombat.at dude i talked about it on pkn a little bit colin has the good controller and i have just a stock normal xbox controller we're playing mortal kombat on xbox

cool and uh i'm whooping him i'm not that good at this is not a clash of the titans he's bad and i'm i was slightly better and uh but i can throw the fireballs on command and stuff and do the fancy kicks a little bit. And I'm beating, I'm beating, I'm beating him. Cause he doesn't block. He never hecking blocks.

He just doesn't do it. And sometimes if he gets ahead, I just punish him by getting close and hitting him with like light punches. And he can't walk away. He can't do anything unless you block. You just will. I will pixel by pixel, take your health bar down to zero. And he's like walk away. He can't do anything unless you block. You just will. I will pixel by pixel. Take your health bar down to zero.

And he's like, stop kicking me. I'm like, you didn't stop kicking me. You know, like learn to block kid. Anyway, it turns out the scuff controller. He had block his right trigger. It didn't go down all the way. And that's why he evolved this no style. Well, I figured that out and it wasn't really fair.

And I got him a regular controller and he is fucking me up now i haven't won since like i've won when you play two out of three i've had a single win he's going dad block block oh you can't block that can you the equivalent of dad why are you hitting yourself why are you hitting me he's just fucking me up now i can't win i'm trying like i'm bringing out my a game and he's got an A plus game. Dude, you turned Colin into like a version of that Croatian discus thrower in like 1907 who practiced like a lead discus

and then got to the Olympics and was like, oh, I'm going to dominate. I can't believe this is what they're letting me throw. Y'all don't throw lead discuses. If I'm trying to win, Kyle, Raiden and Omni-Man are the characters I seem to do well with. Oh, okay. I forgot Omni-Man was in there. Yeah, he's new.

I would have to go with one of my fan favorites. I might do Rambo or something like that. Or Robocop. I think they're in the previous Mortal Kombat and not the current one. I've never given that whole game genre a fair shake. There's no need.

That's just getting into like we're talking about basketball over here and that's baseball that's that's a whole different fucking kind of game yeah but i'm telling you if you got a projector screen and you're sitting on the couch with a buddy fighting games are about as good as it gets if you both suck but like i could program the stream deck with the combos or if you need if it's a fair fight hutch makes a good point like you both suck but there's like the skill gap is wild with fighting games they're doing like frame specific block timings and stuff and i've always been really impressed with the fighting game people like the old school um street fighter like fights with what's his name like there was

one there was one they were playing street fighter 3 i can't remember his name but there was a thing in street fighter 3 where you could do like a flurry of attacks and he was parrying each like every single attack and every time he parried the attack the crowd that was watching him gets louder and louder and louder it's like a really classic clip for fighting games diego diego is his name but you can see that clip. You got to be so... Your reaction time just has to be so... Not if your opponent's not that good. Not if your opponent's not very good. Yeah, well, if you both have fun, yeah.

To play an AoE2 online has made me realize how much you need RTS skill-based matchmaking. They have it. I turned you into a believer. Nice. You try and play an rts against someone who's even like 10 better than you at it and it's like oh i'm just being played with i just have a walling in my gold i just have to say i don't know if you guys are aware but the the cod devs came out with a statement on spmm did you guys talk about this yet

no no we're so far from the cod world world. I think I heard it, but I thought it was like a month or two ago. I just want to say, and I'm not like normally like a pat myself on the back kind of guy, but I was 1000% vindicated because they in their little blog post

like the thing is like I had developers, I had multiple AAA developers like in my dm saying like this is how the systems like kind of generally work and this is what we observe in like player behavior and so once i understood the reason why i was in the game which was player retention it didn't that's when i was like oh okay it doesn't really make any sense like they're never going to get rid of it uh yeah they came out and they said the same thing they said the exact same thing that the fall guys people said they said the exact same thing

that um uh uh destiny people said they they said when people that first pick up the game get stomped out like two games in a row or whatever we're observing that a lot of these people are quitting the game and they're never picking it back up again um and and they said like we understand that it frustrates a lot of like the seasoned pros or whatever um but this is just something we can't really like bargain on because it's just going to impact things too too much but i'm in a position in that like if i pick up a game i have tour guides who are very good and skill-based matchmaking ruins it for me you know and suddenly it's me and this guy who's got pro level aim and uh now my opponents have pro level aim and i'm fucked

yeah yeah i mean it's an imperfect solution i mean when i read that i had the same reaction yeah when i read that i had the same reaction i was like oh well there's no point even discussing skill-based match uh matchmaking because they're never going to change it because it is about player retention that's all it's about so it's not about you having fun it's about the most people having fun the the only frustrating part especially in like a 1v1 rts style is like you it's so rare that you get to like really bully someone like it's trying to make you at like 50 win rate always with the elo and whatnot and so like it's why like tarkov frustrating to to tarkov they don't give a fuck they're just like throw the lions in with the

with the with the sheep but you know what it works for them because that's they're targeting a really hardcore audience like you kind of have to like punishment a little bit if you're into tarkov like i played a little bit like the last like month i get it i understand like i'm not good so i ended up stopping i was like i just don't want to invest too much into this because it's going to take a lot to get good at the game huh did you have a hard time learning the maps uh yeah definitely i mean i even had like maps open over here and even then i'm like i don't i can't even then it was hard for me to orient myself vulnerable vulnerable when you're like standing in the woods right there could be people coming from anywhere trying to figure out what woods you're in compared to the woods and the map

and i don't know what the fuck does this rock rock look like a T to you on the map? Exactly. Yeah. I'm like, that looks like a T. This looks like a little Creek. And I think, I think.

Yeah. Yeah. Finding the extra, you know, but that's, but that's like, it's kind of like Elden Ring. You're kind of,

you're kind of, you're kind of appealing to like a similar kind of, those are the people that buy that game and get good at are the ones that are going to be willing to like spend 30 hours just getting demolished before they start getting their bearings. Oh, it's got it. And it's fun to find a game like that,

that you don't mind. You get demolished in Tarkov for like the first year. Yeah. Like your first year of playing Tarkov is hard. Maybe at least your first white, like, yeah, your,

your whole first six months for sure is just a shitstorm because you start off so bad and you make bad habits or whatever. I just finished. I played this most recent wipe and thought it was their best wipe ever. There were so many good updates.

Everybody was saying that. All the people that play Tarkov on my feed were talking about how good this wipe was. What makes a good wipe? I don't understand what you're so um they completely so they lowered the recoil across the board um and what they roll that back no and what that did was it made it so that all of the it normally it requires you to get to like level 40 mid 40s like level 42 so you've got all your traders so that you can affordably get the attachments

that will make an assault rifle, whatever, low recoil while still having enough ergonomics that you can sight it quickly and run around quickly. That's sort of the game. But they lowered the recoil so much that now right away you can make it okay. And at like level two traders, this is good. Like the level two trader M4 suddenly was as good as

the old meta m4 and so it was much more accessible to everybody right away and then they they did the snow thing and the snow thing meant that no one hid in bushes anymore and that you could spot players very easily yeah that's what i was playing i was playing during this wipe with the snow and then they took the snow away and i was like wait what happened um spring came but spring came yeah it's a yeah it's definitely like the audio is a little weird in that game that's like one thing that like especially when you have the headset on it's like very cracky and uh what do other games have vertical audio figured out better because like you've got a speaker in each ear well how does up and down sound different i in real life i can hear if it's from above me or below me but i don't know how i

don't know i don't know it feels like it feels like games have gotten worse at that like i feel like old cod games with the with the triton headsets you know and we're in dead silence you could hear very specific yeah it was one of the two and then there's a turtle turtle beach as well but like in new cods it's it's actually kind of tricky and like there's this cheese thing with cod now where if you're playing on pc you go into your equalizer settings and you check a box that's um i think it's loudness equalization and it makes it so you can hear footsteps like way easier but every sound is kind of so it's like remember when you got sitrep pro and yeah modern warfare 2 um it's like that so like it's the sound is like overwhelming

we do that with this podcast because what will happen is like one guy sort of naturally soft-spoken and another guy's a screamer and then we just normalize the loudness so that people can hear dude you can automate so much stuff now with content creation stuff like adobe premiere i don't know if you guys use that very much but you can do like auto captions now which is really cool um that's handy so yeah because like generally those videos into the short form stuff they're going to do way better if you have captions and with with adobe it's like a maybe like a three minute process and it just automates you may have to go in and change things it may get some words wrong but it's a really easy process

now now with AI it's like yeah Kyle and I've been watching this YouTube videos and basically they tell sci-fi stories and oftentimes they're written on Reddit so what the content creator if you call him that does is he copy paste this big Reddit story into something and then has AI read it to you. But AI reading isn't like it was 10 years ago. It's pretty compelling. Pretty good. Yeah. It's pretty good. 99%. 99%. Every so often they'll pronounce like, you know, finish just to like finish it. But most of the time it's good. And, um, so now AI is reading you the story pretty well. The captions are there,

which helps too. And they're right. 98% of the time also. And then they use AI to generate a picture. That's like kind of sort of related. Like, I don't know. Human.

Close enough. Blue eyes. So you're just watching this thing and it's like, man, I bet this video took the creator a minute and a half of like human time. Yeah. To like kick off these processes, have an AI generated image, AI generated voice, AI generated captions, upload it to YouTube. And the videos are getting a few thousand views, you know, enough to make like $30.

And I'm like, shit, you build a little library of this stuff and you've got a business. Yeah. and I'm like shit you build a little library of this stuff and you've got a business yeah there's whole content farms of AI creators now that are getting especially with YouTube shorts they're getting tons of traction I don't know if you guys have seen have you guys seen the genre of uh the sub-genre of YouTube videos where it's um Batman helping young men with their porn addiction no I was really hoping to like i was hoping he was gonna try on girls too but but continue about batman i watch girls try on their panties just look up just look up batman gives you advice quitting porn and there's a whole genre where

it's it's like it's like um gotham city and it's nighttime and batman's kind of perched on top of like a gargoyle and uh there's rain and his voice will just be like you are strong you know you can do this you have value and it's like 30 minutes of batman encouraging men to like give up this is a terrible genre i want i want somebody else to come in maybe the joker and help me one million views find better porn huge it's a huge huge like like a lot of incels kind of do this kind of stuff is this like nofap is it is that what this is yeah keep your nofap going yeah but there's so go to taylor go to youtube and search batman gives you um advice to stop porn just type something like that. And it's Batman standing in his costume in the rain and the darkness. And then AI Batman voice

going, you are strong. Four million views. Batman talks to you about NoFap. You are an individual not influenced by what is around you. You are the rock the river flows around. It does not shape you. You shape it i'm making

honestly i could see a world where if you're so addicted to masturbating you fall into watching batman videos telling you not to it probably is good to take a break like you probably should you know if you're fine that's if you had to bring batman in if you have to bring can you imagine like like kyle if you had a problem with eating too many burgers and you were watching Peter Griffin motivate you with an AI voice? That's insane, Kyle. But you're on the right path and away. No, I'm sure there's Batman AI. People to jerk off.

That's amazing. I'm sure there's Batman AI to help. I'm sure there's Batman AI to help with overeating. She's glad you didn't touch yourself. That would be funny. The movie Her was quite prescient. That was like, you know, it was science fiction at the time, but it was really not too far off from where we're currently at. Did you guys see that movie, Her?

Spike Jonze? It has Joaquin Phoenix in it, right? Yeah. I think we're really close to getting like some sort of weird personal like relationship bot that's like no they exist they exist where they marry the real girl with like the best ai um that what is it what is that what's the best day i called i saw they gave them all an iq test they should give them all an eq test is it chat gpt

no it's it's like fourth or something like that or fifth um there was something it's like a man's name and then a numeral there was like carlos two and now it's three or some shit there was the recent debacle with like black nazis did you guys see that oh yeah oh yeah i saw it right google's ai oh man they yanked it like they're like okay we're gonna put this on the shelf for a little bit yeah there was so i forget whose ai was before that it might have been chat gpt but they sort of didn't do well quite well enough where if you were to say like describe or make a picture of a burglar like they'd all be black and make a picture of an uh it wasn't efficient it was like uh i don't know a productive person and they're all like white guys in business

suits and uh they're like oh this is coming off kind of race if the burglars are back and black and productive people are white guys in business suits and then of course google went too far the other way whether show me a founding father that is like a black guy or well all the ai is like woke as fuck they can't they can't like grok too like there was a there was a period on musk one right yeah but there was a period where like right right wing um like uh media pundits were asking grok uh are are am i racist or like you know like let's say it was tim pool so tim pool would go like is tim pool racist and then grok would be like wow that's a good question and like the uh elon's ai was like calling all of these people racist and so they were getting pissed at

him um yeah i don't know we'll see how i mean i think grok only only um takes data from Twitter. I could be wrong. So I don't know. Where are most of them scrubbing from? I think it's everything. I think anything public. Did you guys see Congress voted to ban TikTok? Let's go.

Which part of Congress? How much of Congress? I think the House, and I think they got 80% of the votes yeah which is bananas let me talk about that a little bit because like dude that the republican lit house can't approve like a basically a republican border immigration bill i can't recall in my life i'm sure it happens but but the last time any notable legislation got 80% of the vote. 9-11 shit. Okay.

But usually they get... Anytime it's giving money to Israel. Three defectors to come over, something like that. And if it's bipartisan, it's 49 Democrats and four Republicans or something like that. That's what they call bipartisan. 80% of people agreed to get rid of TikTok.

Yeah, that's ridiculous. And Biden said he'd sign it like last week. Biden said he would sign it, yeah. So it's not technically like a strict ban. It's they want to divest. They want TikTok to divest themselves of their Chinese ownership. Yeah, to be fair fair that's exactly right and what's yeah what that means is that the owners of tiktok will have two options one allow their product to

now be worth billions of dollars less or b sell their product to to someone else let the servers be somewhere else and that's what they're going to do so they're going to sell knowing that they're probably going to sell how do you invest what do you invest in their competitors or or do you bet against them in the future shit i feel like with almost every social platform the move is not to invest like like really what are you gonna invest in myspace president's about to take a bite out of their fucking it's already like the boomerville of, you know, Facebook is what now? Marketplace?

Some jackass boomers talking about Trump and meta? You know, a little, like, I think Facebook is still, it's replaced every forum. So if you're into fish tanks, motorcycles, this, that, the other thing, you find yourself on Facebook to find people with common interests.

Sure. But Facebook is motorcycles this that the other thing you find yourself on facebook to find people with common interests sure um but facebook is like moving into the rearview mirror right someday we watch our shorts in the future if tick if tiktok doesn't doesn't doesn't do it anymore exactly i guess well steve mnuchin steve mnuchin is uh trying to put some funding together to buy tiktok um that was trump's that was trump's treasury secretary and he also like he was a movie producer he produced like batman v superman and so trump was against this trump says leave tiktok alone because he met with this billionaire investor of tiktok and reversed his position he's for sale and uh now Trump is trying to protect TikTok, which is a reversal.

I'd rather see TikTok not get banned. It's better to have more out there. It could be, though. No. I just told you what's going on. But if the topic is what would we want, I think I'm with Taylor. I don't understand the danger.

China's going to figure out that I think fucking'm with Taylor I don't understand the danger China's gonna figure out that I think shorts are funny a bunch of people can say stuff I think a lot of the pundits on the other side of this would say that China intentionally runs different algorithms here than at home because they're trying to brain rot America

meanwhile if you look at TikTok in their country you might learn how to do your geometry homework better here you'll watch because they're trying to brain rot America. Meanwhile, if you look at TikTok in their country, you might learn how to do your geometry homework better. Here, you'll watch divisive things. You'll watch race baiting things. You'll watch all sorts of politically charged stuff that really make the country less cohesive when it's the most popular app on everybody's fucking phone. I'm not going to watch your geometry app, Kyle.

You can't make me. I'll find a way to brain rot somewhere else listen to this kyle wants you to be doing fucking math math on your phone my tiktok would be the best of both worlds you'd figure out the circumference of titties all right why would you measure cup sizes with okay but you're winning me over okay but do everybody here would i assume everybody here would agree that i assume everybody here would agree that chinese uh china is an adversarial country right yeah they're right yeah is there is there no concern amongst any of you guys that an adversarial country can send 200 million

americans a push notification anytime they want on an app that they ban in their country like you can't go on tiktok in china you need the chinese version i hear your point but i have a counterpoint restricting what if i'm going to say that having open trade deals is critically important with your adversarial countries the thing that prevents people from going to war is it ruins business and if you have like i don't know trade going back and forth like us and china does that will stop wars powerful people will make sure it doesn't happen i'm gonna keep buying the fucking tv and the tables and the lumber and their bad steel but they don't get to run their propaganda arm anymore that's what i will that's that's the point like it's just what

do you prioritize more are you more afraid of China sending a push notification to people? Or do you prioritize higher, which I would, like the ability of Americans to use an app that they want and have speech on it? The problem is that it's asymmetrical. allowing this company with a substantial chinese communist party um interest to operate freely in the united states to tune their algorithm now i'm not alleging like that they're deliberately tuning their algorithm but i'm just saying like it's not unfathomable we do it to them and it was well no but we don't though because they don't allow you can't go on twitter in china you can't go on facebook i'm not talking about that specific. Trump allowed a CIA operation starting the second year of his term that was this vast propaganda influencing campaign on their internet to destabilize them and make their government look bad in their people's eyes. If you don't think they're doing the exact same thing but they don't need to with tiktok i

mean why wouldn't they it wouldn't i guess it wouldn't shock me what where are you getting this trump cia i think it's rooter um is it rooters reuters routers trump's routers i was on routers yeah but i would rather see them not ban a lot of americans speak on oh this just came out today actually uh trump launched cia covert influence operation against china that's interesting i'm gonna look into that later but i mean like do you guys understand just kind of broadly why there would be serious concerns like if you were looking to, say, destabilize Western nations by undermining faith in institutions and democracy broadly, you can see how having a substantial interest in a major social media platform, the number one social media platform for young people in this country. You could see how that could be like that could be easily problematic in huge ways. I freely acknowledge your concerns and agree that they're valid.

I still have a hard time getting past this foundational idea that trade between nations prevents war. What percentage of trade is TikTok, though, Woody? I don't think it's any. Well, but piece by piece, right? First, we banned TikTok. Then they stopped the sale of iPhones. And then we retaliate by doing something else and then suddenly they're not letting fords be sold in china because we're

going to track their movements and oh yes please that's the best trade ever both of them we don't get to sell either of those f-150s how many fords do they import it cannot be many i get that it's not it's certainly trying to come up with examples where, you know, bit by bit, trade gets eroded away. I bet if you look at that example, you would find tariffs on our stuff. And yet peace remains. You know what I mean? Like, I feel like you can't. Tariffs are different than bans.

I feel like it's a tough economic policy, a trade policy. And this is no different. We're not telling them. We're not confiscating TikTok, which is what we probably probably should do we should fucking just take it from them because why not that's what we do we're saying hey you gotta divest that's not cool is china in bricks is china is china the sea yeah so i mean i don't know like i i can i can understand if you're like a young person and tiktok's your main thing. And I do understand kind of like being wary of giving government too much control over social media platforms. It is a bit different because it's not like the United States government has the same level of influence over like Twitter and Facebook than China has over TikTok or China has over their own social media platforms.

Like the Twitter files, what did they reveal ultimately? I think they definitely do. They lean on social media platforms like the twitter files what did they reveal ultimately i think they definitely do they lean on social media companies all the time not it's not i don't think it's fair to say that's comparable to communist china like in communist china you cannot be a tiktok influencer and like here in the united states half of tiktok is people criticizing the united states you can't do that in China. You can't make a video criticizing Xi Jinping or Chinese policy when it comes to like the Muslims. Half of Twitter

is people criticizing the United States. Yeah, you can be like Assan Piker and make millions of dollars selling America bad to like 18 year olds. And you can do that. And you can be promoted to the front of twitch and stuff like that and you and but you you cannot do that in russia you cannot do that in china so i do think

like when we look at like the twitter files what did we see we saw like government request were they requests or they were like government requests to like hey we think this we think this uh post is problematic or whatever and what we found out was like 75% of the time, Twitter was saying no. 25% of the time they were doing it and it had to do with like COVID policy and election disinformation. Like the Trump administration, for example,

asked Twitter to take down a Chrissy Twiggin tweet that called them a pussy ass bitch. Like that- Pretty mean. That is pretty mean. Did they do it? But it's funny. They said no.

They leave that one up. In in china they don't do requests they just they just take that shit down so there's a huge i think difference wait who's called a pussy ass bitch trump trump chrissy chrissy tegan called him a pussy ass bitch and the administration reached out to there's like an email where the administration reached out to twitter some of the stuff that they took down in the last election cycle violated twitter's policies like against porn and stuff like that do they have policies against porn they have policies against revenge revenge porn yeah oh okay well that's not porn then that's just that's something else they shouldn't judge my porn habits with the with the tiktok thing though like don't you like you want americans to be able to maybe

they can't share certain beliefs on facebook that they're allowed to on tiktok well dissent is really important i think for any especially for liberal democracy it's like the it's like the bedrock it's like the first amendment like the constitutional right to redress grievance against your government that's a obviously like you don't want to stifle that i don't i don't know if tiktok like i wouldn't consider tiktok in the same category as like twitter or facebook you can do that you can you can do that on twitter you can you can criticize the government you can do whatever the fuck you want essentially what they're asking tiktok to do will not stifle tiktok's free speech it will ensure that that maybe the ccp isn't writing the algorithm there

though. That's all they're going for. These are not reliable partners for Western interests. The Chinese Communist Party have a 50-year, 100-year plan in terms of global... It's not going well for them lately though. It's been fun to see that.

Well, the real estate fucked them up. They had a big old real estate bubble over there and it's pretty bad right now but i don't think they're over covid are they not i think i know it bounced back i just assumed that it settled i'm sorry and i think economically as well and also i know this stuff that's going on with the houthis um apparently that that really doesn't bother the israelis what it bothers is maybe a few Israeli oligarchs who own shipping companies. They're like, oh, no. Well, they're not just going after Israeli ships. They're going after anybody who shows up in there.

Exactly. And that's why it's a problem for Europe and China, because that's the trade between Europe and China goes through. That's a hugely important shipping lane yeah for china i think the lakut party has been pretty i like seeing europe do poorly spoken about the houthis right like it's not well yeah i mean like really bureaucrats like it's the main party in power well yeah well there's a problem with it well the houthis are china spoke out against the houthis nobody likes the houthis wow i mean iran like the houthis. Nobody likes the Houthis. Wow. I mean, Iran likes the Houthis. The Houthis in Iran, they're like this.

Well, Hamas... North Korea loves them. I feel like Hamas very openly at this point acknowledged that they in part did what they did on October 7th because they were trying to draw in outside forces and turn it into a larger regional Hezbollah and more Iranian proxies. Hezbollah. Whoever runs Hezbollahllah that's a smart cookie as trump would say because he didn't do shit you know you know all his like sec well okay i'm sure they financed them and they and they influenced them but whoever the the guy who who flies um that hezbollah flag not an iranian flag that guy who flies that Hezbollah flag, not an Iranian flag, that guy who's in charge of it,

decided not to get involved. There was some fighting in the northern, like southern Lebanon and northern Israel, but they certainly didn't, Hamas was not successful ultimately in turning it into something much bigger. I guess the idea is that for the Abrahamic Accords and the normalization between Saudi Arabiaudi arabia and israel hamas felt like okay we need to we need to pop

the fuck off because it's kind of now or never um but it fucking sucks because now they're just so much further away from a palestinian state and it's not like the palestinian people in gaza have a say in terms of like military operations yeah i was just getting destroyed every single day somebody challenged me the other day to solve that thing it took me 15 minutes solve the whole fucking thing really gotta have it so a two-state solution is going to be non-negotiable but here's the thing here's what will make everybody happy you know that maybe it's off the coast of the uk they call it sea land or something it's like the world's smallest country they just got a little platform out there very sure that's where the palestinians go and and look here's the thing we just we the united states just sent a

boat out of virginia and they're heading to you would guess it uh israeli waters they're going to build them a pier so that we can more readily give them things i think we should i think it should be left up to chance entirely a couple of oil rig platforms out there some tents when you say leave it up to chance if like so the current year the current like pressure that the biden administration and other international forces are putting on israel is to not permanently occupy gaza so like if trump wins in 2024 for example yeah it's pretty obvious that he's gonna give netanyahu like the full green light just to annex annex gaza and then it's like i don't know maybe egypt is just forced to take in refugees like i don't know how that's gonna they won't it would be europe that would be forced to take them or us probably right because egypt has already

stated they're not going to take in no send them to fight in ukraine that's i was gonna say for everyone coin flip then all the head jews and the head palestinians have to be like whatever the result of this is we will abide loser of the coin flip their whole group goes to madagascar it has to be a two-state solution but netanyahu has to be ousted democratically and hamas they can't they can't remain in power there's just that's just not tenable i don't think um do you guys think like i don't know where you got do you guys think it's obviously a really complicated issue but like do you think that some level of force is justified in the pursuit of disarming Hamas? I think the amount of force that Israel is showing is absurd and that they are waging a destructive campaign against the Palestinian people right now.

And that's clear by the video evidence. Nazi. It's absurd. Bigot. Bigot. Bigot, Nazi. Hate monger. Hate monger. I don't think that we're going to solve an issue, an ethnic conflict, a thousand years old.

And so I don't want to be involved with Israel whatsoever or with Palestine. It's not our business. It doesn't help us to be involved. It makes us global foes the world over. It's negative. It costs a billion, zillion dollars. It's why 9-11 happened. Taylor's pretty consistently isolationist,

whereas I prefer the hypocrite route and choose battle by battle. I said the same thing about Ukraine and Russia. I don't care what the Ukrainians and Russians are up to. Because I'm the guy that likes the United States to have its fingers in all the pies. When I see those Pacific fleets start sailing out, spreading out, taking control of entire regions, when I watch those YouTube videos about how much firepower this boat or that boat has,

I like that shit. I like that the world runs on dollars. And people can pretend like they're going to switch to something else all they won't want they won't they will a lot a lot of people call that like american imperialism like i don't know if you guys have ever seen like that bullshit have you guys seen the bullshit we should take mexico i haven't seen the bullshit map there's a bullshit map that goes around online where it's like an american flag where like every american um military bases in the world except it's like clearly bullshit because they have like bases in iran and stuff it's like wait what the fuck but um those are a lot like and i don't know

about those i used to look at it the same way for a really long time but the only country i think that doesn't want american bases in their country is Cuba. I think and then everybody else like we work closely with the Somalian government to like help them deal with their problem with terrorism. And like there's no country that like is pissed that America has a military base like in their backyard. Does Haiti have any? They could use a few. I mean, Russia doesn't like it. They keep asking, but we keep saying no.

You're not blaming NATO for the russian invasion are you no i was saying that that's why russia justified it uh is they're saying that we they putin said we don't want military bases in our border at ukraine in ukraine and then we're like we're gonna do it and well they also it's like well fuck they're liberating ukraine Ukraine from the Nazis that run them. Yeah, I'm not defending Russia. I'm saying that's their rationalization for it. Like Putin did say years ago, I'm going to do something if you try to do this. My goal is to discredit Russia because I think the reality is nothing.

What the reality is and what they say are completely unrelated. The real reason they took Ukraine is they wanted the land. They wanted the breadbasket basket they wanted the warm water he was surprisingly transparent in his in his interview with tucker carlson like he was very surprisingly transparent where he just pretty much came out and said like yeah we have a historical right to this land that guy is obsessed with russian history don't debate with him about 800s leaders i don't know i don't i don't know why that's surprising to anybody it's it would be surprising to me if biden couldn't well if younger biden couldn't regale you about the founding fathers in great length you know what if we made our

presidential candidates list our existing presidents that would be so funny it's you can't because it's not like your wheelhouse it's not the world that you've existed in for 45 years for him it'd be like you not knowing about chlorination and versus saltwater pools or some shit right right like like like you know yeah well the founding father of the saltwater pool ergen mayer born from humble beginnings in east pennsylvania like like you probably know that kind of shit putin had a very um very interesting take on history

where he where he was talking about poland like he basically was like well poland basically forced the nazis and the and the russians to come in and carve up the country and so he's um he's very like openly said that the biggest political catastrophe of the 20th century was the disillusionment of the soviet union so like it's pretty clear like what

his goals are um i don't know he lived through their try at democracy and like i didn't so that's when that's like when i was born i was like two when that shit was going down or something like that so it's not something I knew a lot about, but I've been trying to learn more about it. And I saw an interesting thing last night and they were, they were showing the, the, the parallels there.

Like, this is what was happening in Russia and like, I don't know, 92 or 93 or something like it was poverty. And you know, Russia always looks kind of shitty to be in cause it's all cold and they don't dress well for it. You would think they'd have like...

White people here wear ski gear. And it's like, man, I bet that's $800 for the shit he's wearing. But there, they just put on a lot of layers. They got those babushka looks. And then they're like, meanwhile, they weren't watching that old Soviet TV anymore. Because Western media was here now. This is what was on their TV. And it's like Pam Anderson, Baywatch,

like every American TV show back then, it was like a slick dude and like a Lamborghini. The Lamborghini might be able to talk. Some big titty broad. On a tropical beach. You had Gorbachev in fucking McDonald's commercials. It was just like nothing could have more perfectly signified the end of

the end of the communist project than gorbachev in a fucking mcdonald's commercial these eggs are all rotten media showing what america is it was eye-opening to me to learn that all the homes and apartments that we show on our television are ginormous friends is a great example right yeah it would have been like a five thousand dollar a month apartment yeah more now i guess yeah yeah back then sure but but all of you like normal shows that aren't meant like a middle-class family harry and the hendersons right that uh big bigfoot movie if you guys saw that yeah that house was dope um home alone home alone it turns out there's a reason for that and And it's that it takes space to film. You want the cameras like 18 feet away from the actors.

So you can't film in a normal sized room, in a normal sized kitchen. You have to have a really big one. And it makes America look super wealthy. Yeah. Makes sense. Yeah. You don't want to film someone that's a depressing hobble. You know, you obviously wanted to have a big, nice house for home alone, you know, because you're putting the traps

and it's the central thing. He never leaves, really, except for that grocery store trip. And they were supposed to be rich. Like, it was clear watching that in the 90s. Like, these people are fucking loaded. He was flying his family, including cousins and uncles and aunts, to France. Yeah, like on a lark.

So many people he lost his son. I was young enough that I didn't pick up on the wealth. 1% is what they what they were yeah they were the one percent it's extreme wealth i mean i think the house was 825 000 then you know i mean like like yeah no wonder harry and marv were scoping it out like that's the place to fucking be that's the north shore of chicago it was like the bling ring, but two old dudes instead. Yeah, that was in my top top three movies all time until I was like 10. I watched that shit over and over and over. I wanted my house to get broken into so bad.

I wanted it so bad. I wanted to be Kevin McAllister. I wanted to be in his position because, you know, we had guns in our house and I knew how to use them. Would you have bitched out and called the police? Because Kevin could have called the police at any time but he's a warrior he's no he's no he's no he's like i'm gonna solve this myself i'm an american he's not a marbles and a fucking pet spider that's all you need to foil their sinister watch you should watch you should

watch fargo season five if you're into home alone because they do kind of like a little oh shit i didn't know fargo season kept going fargo's great yeah yeah dude the chris rock season was good i thought too i loved fargo and then it just fell off my radar they must have taken a break dude they go no no no. The new season is arguably the best. Jon Hamm plays this libertarian sheriff with nipple rings. I'm not saying it's bad. I'm saying it's infrequent. I feel like I loved Fargo seven years ago,

and you're telling me you're on season five now? It's still going. I like season three seven years ago. It's still going, and it's still incredible. It's genuinely, I believe, one of the best shows are you guys watching shogun by the way yeah bro so shogun is the best show i've watched since chernobyl i stand by that you're right about that i well i'd have to think harder on that one because that's been quite a lot of time and some i haven't watched as many shows as you but um shogun is a top one

percent show it gets up to there. It's a triple A title, if you want to put it that way. It's one of the few products that it's like, oh, man, this is so good. And I keep saying it, but I don't see a lot of CGI. I see a lot of real. That's a Shogun question. They're in the woods. They're using practical effects.

They're on real boats. It looks like those look like real boats they're on to me and if they weren't then they both look cgi to me yeah yeah i think the boats were real i thought the boats were real man they look all right not when they're in the like the waves and the storm but when they're on the boat just sailing around that ain't real maybe the little boats i don't know what the costumes are very good are you telling me that pirate ship is i'm gonna look this up it was real dude i think it's real it's fucking real what was it does shogun stay in japanese the whole time because i am reading a book on my television i've just watched the first episode and 90 of the dialogue is like it goes back and forth. It's mostly Japanese.

It's a show about a guy who doesn't speak a native language. It's a real boat, you assholes. No, not the big one. I just googled it. The pirate ship. Here, I'll read it. The Shogun ship is not a real pirate ship, but an authentic replica of an Oriental sailing ship.

The ship was originally built for an arab sheep and is used for whale watching and sightseeing cruises okay that's pretty cool all right real boat i bet those swords are real like when he he he pulled a sword out i'm not i'm gonna spoil anything for woody because he's he's behind but a guy pulls a sword out and you could see that they've used the clay to harden the edge and everything i'm like i bet that's a real fucking sword obviously not when they're waving them around and shit those cannons looked right like the right period they had those the the the twisted um body to answer woody's question there are a lot of subtitles but there are fewer than there should be because technically whenever we hear english which becomes more and more as the english character sort of coalesces

with the main group of japanese characters um he's speaking portuguese he's not speaking english but they make us hear english so how awful would that be if they like if he then switched to portuguese and put english subtitles there i'd still watch it it'd still be a great show it's like the movie Valkyrie when they're supposed to be speaking German the whole time. And they kind of did an interesting way of like, so like the movie opens with Tom Cruise narrating in German and then it kind of slowly like switches to English.

So like that was their way of communicating that. But yeah. I really don't mind subtitles in shows. I don't mind them. And here's what it does. It forces you to stay locked in with a show. Phone can't be out. I'm paying attention to it 100%.

And I want to, though, because it is such a high-quality show. I won't watch subtitles on garbage. I won't watch some Scandinavian show that's shit. And I've found a lot of them because I like Scandinavian TV. But I can't suffer through it if it's a shit product. But this is so good. All these actors are excellent. All those women are beautiful.

A lot of them are. There's some nudity. There's some sex. There's some intrigue. I find the main white guy to be very interesting. The main Japanese guy I'm in love with. I love how sneaky he is. Lord Toronaga?

Lord Toronaga yeah fucking great actor the actor said he the only way he would agree to come onto the project is if it was like very authentic to japanese culture so i'm just i'm just trusting that everything i see is uh yeah yeah no you mentioned like the footwear just like little kind of details where it's like this you see how the ladies walk with those little tiny steps yeah everything's very formal a lot of yeah pomp and circumstance to everything but it's also a bit muted just showing the difference in their culture i it's shocking the the sort of feudalism the feudalist sort of like honor-based culture and society that they're in and how intense it is where the one character uh speaks out of turn they're having a big meeting. All the big wigs are talking, but we got our underlings behind us,

both as an audience, but also as a security force. Like, you know, and we're all armed and somebody insults one of the head guys. And that one head guy insults another head guy. And, you know, you can do that. We're both the same level,

but then the guy's underling speaks up. Oh, you have insulted my master. But then he realizes he's yelled like in this very formal setting at someone who's like his boss, his boss, his boss. And he's like, oh, I am so sorry for my dishonorable conduct.

I offer my own life and to end my bloodline. And they're like, I guess that'll do. And then it moves along along and i was like wait he's gonna kill himself and his kid ah they won't do that they won't do that like i thought for sure that the war would start or whatever over let that blow over oh next thursday right that's what we're doing oh you meant this thursday it's a when did japan's like stop with the practice of

like mainstream seppuku? I have no idea. World War II, I think it was a thing. I think we bombed that out of them. Wait, would you have been against U.S. involvement in World War II, Taylor? Oh, yeah. Probably. Being consistent, I probably would have been like,

Europe has their own thing. They just had a giant war 20 years ago. We're going to get dragged into another one. You wouldn't have liked sending the money to the Brits, probably, because we're sending so, so much money, and the Soviets as well. The Soviets would have starved out and died if we hadn't sent them enormous amounts of stockpiles

of not just food, but like arms. It was a great video I saw the other day. If you're a gun guy, you'd like cream at this. It was fucking Russians about to go fight the Ukrainians. And they were in some old salt mine in Russia. And they cracked open cases of Thompson machine guns from World War II that we had sent them to fight the Nazis. And they're just like brand new in the case

from the 30s manufacturing or 40s maybe. And it's like, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, we will fight the Ukrainians with this. And I was like, holy shit, that's so cool. That's so cool. Those guns are so sick. They're the coolest looking.

I don't think I'm an expert, but none of us are really military experts. I wonder how important the quality of your rifle is in battle. Like, I guess the reliability of it matters but if i'm kyle you've seen that trench warfare where the guy got like i'm gonna make it up nine kills going through the trenches yes any gun could have done that right ak-47 m4 wouldn't have made a difference he's not a bolt action but no i i liked his rig so he had a suppressor that's one of the reasons they weren't noticing him right away. He had a good optic and he had

He didn't need an optic. Yeah, he do. I think he touched his suppressor to the guy's chest. I mean, there was one guy. I might be wrong. I don't know. There's so many videos. It's a war.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is the guy who was through the trenches. And I think one of the guys he killed was a russian blogger or vlogger yeah yeah i remember that yeah yeah yeah okay yeah yeah that special force is going into a tunnel and like clearing it out at cqb um i don't know but look i've never fought anybody with a fucking gun but but just operating lots of guns, lots of guns malfunction. And they malfunction when you're standing very still holding them tightly. If you don't hold a gun tightly,

then it can't operate quite the way it should. Okay? Like, a certain amount of gas is pushing a thing back against a spring that's then coming back forward with the correct amount. And everything's tuned very well. But if the gun's moving backwards when that happens, or if it's fully auto and jiggling,

like they fail all the time. And there's like, there's names for all different players. You play Tarkov. You know what I'm talking about? That's kind of close to reality. But if you've got a Thompson guns, why hold them back from the thirties?

Oh, you wouldn't want to use a Thompson machine gun anyway, for like dozens of reasons. I think it's heavy as fuck. Use 45 ACP. it's heavy as fuck use 45 acp that's heavy as fuck it uses stick mags that are like 20 or 30 rounds or a big drum mag that takes you a year to load were they good at the time in the 30s at what they were using them for like fighting in the pacific i know they did really well with um just chopping around in the jungle they you know it's close quarters weapon it's not something

you're like seeing the guy on the hilltop with and pecking it it's when you bump into a guy like what he's talking about sure it'd be good but you don't want to take it to the battlefield right like everything has to fit together and you don't want to be the only guy out there with that 45 caliber world war two machine gun don't you want your soldier you want to yell mag and that guy throw you something that goes in your fucking gun you know what i mean they're the best looking gun aesthetically of all time they're so cool what is it uh say it's a zach and shows a picture tommy gun yeah tommy guns just like i shot one at that gun event and it was awesome it was way heavier than i thought it would be like after shooting the uh it was the regular like wooden stock one i don't know the the length

of the gun but it was um two feet probably about that uh it was that but i was shooting it with a stick mag and thank you zach shooting this i was like i feel so awesome this is so cool but then shooting the mp40 i was like oh like this makes so much more sense for actually running around and shooting like it it still looks cool it doesn't look as cool but like the mp40 felt like a half empty can of soda compared to this thing when i see this gun i don't even think war i think al capone bonnie yeah and stuff like that and the highwayman yeah i watched that i i was on this motorcycle trip and um there's a hotel in vegas that i was staying at that had bonnie and clyde shot up car and suddenly i became like the deep diving into bonnie and clyde lore i'm looking at all the

bullet holes and like what happened to the car dude it's a heck of a story it's pretty cool they uh after they murdered those murdered killed whatever caught them and shot them or whatever uh they like everyone dragged their bodies around they didn't clean that car for ages and you could sit in it people would sit in it and get like brains on their shirt like that's the history of that car it was pretty cool what did you guys think of uh just to switch gears a little bit uh oppenheimer i have not seen how much Barbie Kyle's seen Oppenheimer so I have not seen Oppenheimer

I mean to see it I keep meaning to see it you're the movie guy man we're all disappointed no one expects me to see it did you see Dune I saw the first one I'm going to see the second one the first one was really cool I saw it years ago and then I rewatched it on Hulu and I was like alright this is pretty sweet I'm going to go saw the first one yeah i'm gonna see the second one the first one was really cool i saw it years ago and then i re-watched it on hulu and i was like all right this is pretty sweet i'm gonna

go see the second one the second one is oh i i don't even know how to even better to me they get their shit together because the first one sucked dick like a whore bro uh it's like empire strikes back two towers dune two it's like for me it's like that level that's it's it's like Empire Strikes Back, Two Towers, Dune II. For me, it's like that level. It's a grand epic. I'm very excited about it. I loved the first one. I like the original. I'm one of those people.

I'm one of those people. I've never seen it. It sucked. So it follows the... Okay, so here's... When I say something's good, what I need to specify is there's different kinds of good, right? It's like saying, hey, is that food good? Yeah, it's good.

What did you mean by that? Cheese pizza's good, but so is filet mignon. And the old one is cheese pizza. It's cheese pizza, and it's a good laugh, and it follows the exact same plot line because they're both based on the same book. And watching them back-to-back, you'd want to watch the good one first, the new new one but it's hilarious to see their versions of these

characters the main bad guy though is is way more evil way more evil unless in the second dune the new one they're going to reveal some more stuff because in the original he's got this bimbo sex slave first of all he's disgusting he's floating around using a hover pack with his nipples and titties out and he's like very disrespectful and he has slaves all around him like med slaves who are using syringes to pull the pus out of his pustules that are in his face they're like drawing it out and like keeping it and he has all these wires and hoses and they're in like an ooze factory or some shit anyway it's disgusting everywhere but then in walks his like femboy sex slave and he walks over to him and he's like greasy he looks like he took he looks like he

ate fried chicken and then rubbed his hands all over his face and he's sort of like licking his lips while he like feels this femboy up and the femboy is not into it and then at some point he reaches to his chest and he pulls out a plug that's kind of like a butt plug but it's in his heart it was all that keeps him alive like it's surgically implanted so that at will he can just kill him by pulling this thing out and the guy yeah well the harpenins in the book in the books are comically evil so yeah he had like sex slaves in the books and like even better is the cat do you know about the cat milk? He's drinking cat milk. He poisons this guy.

They poison this guy. And they're like, the poison that we've given you, you'll die a horrific death within so many hours. In the book or in the movie? In the movie. They're like, we poisoned you. You're going to die. There's only one cure. And then they bring in this disgusting, hairless

cat with titties. And they're like like you gotta milk this cat every day and drink the milk and that will keep you alive but if you ever take a day off from milking this fucking cat and drinking its titty milk yeah what happens when you need another cat what's really wild is uh the there's a lot of project with a gag at school there's a lot of discourse right now where like like a lot of times when when a big movie comes out there's all like a lot of like really stupid discourse online about it and a stupid discourse about dune right now is there are people that are they they think that the fremen are meant to represent palestinians and so they're like but if you know where the story of Dune is going,

that is not, that is not, that it does not. It's a book written in the fifties. It does not reflect well on, uh, well, I mean,

you know, Palestinians were, were a thing in the fifties, but like he was, Frank Herbert was, wrote this book to warn against like charismatic leaders. He said like, for example, Frank Herbert was like, he was like herbert was wrote this book to warn against like charismatic leaders he said like for example frank herbert was like he was like a libertarian he was like a libertarian like climate advocate so you could be that in the 70s it was kind of like a hippie thing um but he said

one time that he thought the most dangerous politician of the 20th century was jack kennedy with john f kennedy because everybody was just like so impressed by him and they just kind of like went along and then and then that led to vietnam but he wrote the he wrote the dune stuff specifically like he had mao and stalin in mind when it came to paul and uh but yeah so like yeah there's just a bunch of stupid discourse about that movie right now they're not just they can't just enjoy the movie. Is that what you're saying? They gotta try and launder their own pet projects through the movie. They can't just be like, this is cool.

The same thing with Star Wars. That's the U.S. and Vietnam. The U.S. is the evil empire. Luke Skywalker and the boys, they're the Vietnamese. And maybe the fucking Buddhist monk burned himself alive as a Jedi. I don't know.

But that's what was going on then. He didn't self-immolate in protest of the war. Did you know that? He was protesting actually something else. He was protesting that he got caught releasing documents. And he was like, while I burn myself to avoid these document charges i think i'll yell free palestine oh that guy wait he was no he's talking about the other guy the guy from 60 i'm only talking about buddhist monks in vietnam but but there was that guy that air

force guy who self-immolated like a week or two ago and they were celebrating him like there were like this like bunch of like it's going back to tick lock or tiktok a bunch of like tiktok zoomers were like lionizing this guy and there was this whole thing where h3h3 was uh he was saying like um i don't think it's good to glamorize suicide which i think is the correct take um and uh i don't think it's from the suicide thing because it's a different kind of suicide and like i think suicide when you it from the suicide thing because it's a different kind of suicide and like i think suicide when you're looking for a way out or whatever you really need to like explore some other fucking options it's an it's an awful thing however suicide for an ideal is a

different thing dude though when you look through his old reddit when you look through his old reddit post this dude was fully radicalized like full no shit yeah he burned himself alive there's a hot take yeah he was radical i would say i'm gonna go so far as to say too i got my hot take joke all right maybe it's a maybe it's a bit redundant but he was like he was just full-on like i guess's just, there's a lot of people where their whole political philosophy is centered on America bad. And then everything springs from that. And so you just become fully indoctrinated. Oh, this creature was a hoax?

Hutch? What's up? The Reddit thing? The Reddit thing is, did you read the hoax? Shortly following. Okay, no, no, no. So there was one specific post that was doctored. But you can't, you can go to like

archived um uh they they deleted his account so you can't go to reddit itself to see it but there's an archived version of his logs and you can just read everything that he was typing and it was just um it was apparent that he was just fully um okay like i think he sell it i think he tacitly endorsed October 7th, for example. I did see that. A lot of people just straight up outwardly did it on Twitter. It was funny to see random rappers get in trouble. Rappers politics

is one of my new favorite things because it's a lot more right-wing and radical than you'd ever think. Right-wing? Lady rappers are super radical um they're they're they're celebrating october 7th and stuff like that um the the the male rappers a lot of those dudes are right wing a lot of those guys are trump guys that's true that's true yeah but but there's a lot of like um there's a there's obviously a lot of free Palestine stuff with younger artists right now.

Yeah. It's popular. It's so tough because it's like... Obviously, I think most people... I would assume all of you guys believe that the Palestinians deserve their own state and autonomy and dignity and all that. But I don't... When I get up to the line of Hamas good,

that's where I'm like, no, I'm not. I'm not with you on that one. Well, that's absurd. I mean, we've got so much land in the Midwest. I was thinking, Taylor, that we could get all them Palestinians and just give them like Wyoming. Like we're not doing shit up there. North Dakota. It is not our problem. We'll flip a coin.

We'll give them one of the Dakotas. Dude, problem. Do you know what a resource the Palestinian people could be? Now, you don't realize this, Taylor, but First World nations are clamoring to get first pick at the Palestinian people.

There's a lottery system right now, and a lucky few First Nations are going to get... A lucky few. It's been said that if you take all the Hamas and put them in St. Louis, that the murder rate will go down. I don't know.

We could try it. Did you guys see that this conflict and the discourse around it, like, ended the H3 Hassan? I really don't know anything about those guys you're not plugged into them at all not not away from that sort of thing what happened were they friends and now they're not or is the well they did they did a podcast together for i want to say like two

years uh it's called the leftovers and um it was a really interesting cultural kind of like online cultural moment to watch that friendship sort of disintegrate over time because it started to fray during like a conversation about like capitalism versus communism stuff. unintentionally cultivated through his partnership with hassan cultivated like a really left-wing audience like a hammer and sickle like we need to like destroy capital kind of like audience and uh they started to like have this like disagreement where ethan was like willing to say you know there's plenty of flaws with capitalism there's a lot of gaps there's a lot of poverty you know but i'm but i just have i'm just not with you with the whole like chinese kind of stuff like or like full-on hammer and sickle stuff and then like a few months later it culminated this this

fracture of their uh friendship with the palestinian uh israeli uh conflict because ethan is a dual citizen like he has he has citizenship in israel he has family in israel and so his girl is israeli right yeah or's also as dual yeah yeah yeah and so a lot a lot of ethan's audience were i mean some of them are just full-on like like actually celebrating october 7th you know like uh and so uh like ethan was was uh he was like saying like look i'm willing to tell you like what the israelis have been doing to palestinians for decades is wrong and fuck netanyahu and fuck the lucude party and fuck you know the israeli palestinian the treatment of palestinians but hamas like what they did is fucking not good and then like a bunch of the audience were calling him like a racist genocidal apartheid supporter

and uh they call us that all the time but they like that's they don't mean it that just means hello in online talk yeah that's just how it was it was an interesting kind of like it was an interesting moment because it's just like him to realize that that's the yeah that that's that's pretty awkward there's a big schism and they're both of their audiences they don't do the they don't do the podcast anymore and it was just it was just too much like there was like a discussion had a limit for them yeah and that was a pretty you know pretty pretty big podcast you know so to like walk away from that was like it's pretty significant you think the audience divided them mostly yeah well i mean it was the conflict and the audience there's a thing called audience capture are you guys familiar with the concept of audience capture

it's like so if you're if you're like a an influencer person and you cover politics or you cover cultural stuff and you end up cultivating an audience over time like you guys have cultivated kind of like a slightly more right-wing audience i would say right and but and like um but like what happens with a lot of creators is they start to notice like oh well i'll get you know you either consciously or unconsciously know, like I'm going to get more engagement if I frame certain things this way or that way. And so there ends up being this sort of like

extremism pipeline that happens. And then it gets to a point where the creator, they're not really being authentic with their thoughts. They're just, they're relaying what they think their audience is going to want to hear. So, you know. Zach phrased it really well. Let me read it because it's interesting.

Audience capture is a self-reinforcing feedback loop that involves telling one's audience what they want to hear and getting rewarded for it. Yeah. And then they have to go further and further. So they're like, oh, when I'm talking about how awesome Stalin was, I get lots of likes and comments. We'll see people calling. We just we just we just always one of us has to disagree so that so that we're always on both sides we literally are it's very rarely that all three of us are like full and if we all agree someone will jump

on the other side yeah and then if we all agree there is at least a dissenting opinion from somebody they're like look all right i'll co-sign that yeah but but here's the thing about that you need you don't have a little you need yeah it's not interesting but here's where i think our show does it a lot in like the meanness right so this is a show where we laugh at people fighting cars and think it's hilarious at that mismatch and then the audience turns that same spirit on us and it's like well don't be surprised fucknard yeah if we got hit in a parking lot they they would have no sympathy exactly but that's because they're dumb because i don't think it's funny when people get hit by cars

i think it's funny when fat black women get mad at each other one of them gets behind the wheel of her intrepid and the other one still continues to show the same amount of gusto in the physical altercation despite the fact that said intrepid is 4200 pounds of killing machines those women are like oh and 31 against the intrepid in all the videos i don't think they're gonna turn the franchise around i have seen so many ladies get ran down by chrysler 300s that and it still tickles me to death i love it because not but but i don't want to see just some poor pedestrian get get hit like that thing in nice france when that terrorist attack and people got ran over that's not funny that's horrific but if you're like, you're not going to talk to me that way. What are you going to do? Run me.

Did you get in your car? Well, I took off my high heel shoe. Let's go. That's an actual video. I love that, bro. You haven't seen this? Basically, two people are in a conflict. Someone gets in a car.

And the other person, rather than running or taking cover behind a light pole, is like, I'm not afraid of your car. And I have a theory. Kyle mentioned the race thing, but I think it's the sex thing. I think that sometimes women feel like they're not going to get hit because it doesn't happen to them very much. The punch in the mouth is a very extreme, uncommon route to take for girls. I get hit in the mouth in 10 minutes. I go out there and say the wrong shit i promise you i go to circle k it'll go down what happened with your friend like if you mouth off the scott enough then you know it might go that way i don't say the wrong thing yeah a little bit how do you guys uh oh sorry god i'm gonna go

ahead and take over real quick well no i was just gonna ask you guys like how because you guys uh oh sorry god oh i'm gonna go ahead and take over well no i was just gonna ask you guys like how because you guys don't seem to have gone down the audience capture route like you seem to have like i feel like i'm talking to the same person i talked to like eight years ago how have you guys avoided the trappings of that do you just not um i'm gonna guess that you don't look at like the comments or your replies very often very rarely do i look at any our main yeah the only way i interact with fans is if they um and it's is if they join our our patreon and they give us 50 a month and then they get they join our discord and then i literally game with them all night and like shoot the shit with them and the group of guys in there are awesome like i so um they'll i'll sort of lean on

them for like if they thought a show was good or not um and sycophants that they are they love everyone they love everyone they've never had a complaint and they better not because i'll they know i will uh i'm liberal with the band hammer no but it's the opposite though like i feel like they'll be like, what happened there? And I'm like, look, we didn't book that guy. I don't know who booked that guy. We didn't know he was going to have a fried brain from the mushrooms. We didn't know.

He just came on. I like that guy. Did you have somebody come on that was tripping balls? Yeah, he wasn't at the time, but he had some. We had a guest. He probably was. I'm so naive. So this guy touted himself

as some sort of a shaman per se and and basically his story was that he had had this awful experience where his wife who was pregnant with his unborn child died in a car accident that he caused and it ruined him to the extent where he so he sought out psychedelics um more and more potent doses of them to sort of get over that trauma. And my take is that while doing that, he fried his brain. And so then he's got this new wife and he's told us he told us that he's like, so at this point in my life, my wife was saying, I'm going to murder the children. I'm going to take the gun. I have the gun and I'm going to murder the children. So then I went on one of my retreats to the Dominican Republic and did mushrooms with some guys.

And when we got back, I talked to her and I had a whole new frame of mind. I'm paraphrasing, but it was literally that. And so and so I'm like, I'm doing this when he's I'm like. I'm doing this when he's telling, I'm like, whoa, your wife said she was going to murder the children and she had the means, which means she's thought about this a good bit and went and gotten the gun.

She has the gun and you went to another country to do drugs. I love drugs and travels fun, but, and I hate kids, but my take is that you're a piece of shit, dude. How do you leave your kids behind with a murderer? Are you insane? I didn't go that hard.

You just went there? I went a little bit softer than that, and it devolved quickly. I may have been rude to him. I smoke every show, and I don't really remember these things too well. I enjoyed it. But I think I was pretty mean to him. One in every 30, 50 guests, Kyle will decide, I've had enough of this guy.

I'm not interested in his return, so I'm going to lay it down. Sometimes they'll just be fucking liars. There's one guy, look, I hate a fake badass. I'm not a badass. I don't want to get in a fight. I'm not good at it.

I wouldn't be good at it if I tried. I'm not going to pretend like I will be. Aren't or i just rip this fuck or did that go yeah i beat the shit out of you bro i smoke you see now you see like i can't just keep it back i got the long arms so he's gonna reach i just snap those in half with my jujitsu training you know about the ufc i watch i'm a real tough guy i watch the ufc there are guys who are like what i'm like pretending to be right there there's douchebags yeah yeah um but but we had a guy on who was like tout i can't remember what kind of badass he was claiming he'd done but he was he's like yeah my my stepdad stabbed me and and i was like

oh you stabbed me i ran away off into the woods, sewed it up myself. And I think I just went, no, you didn't. It was like that. It was like in Billy Madison when he's like, me and her got it on. And Adam Smith was like, no, you didn't. Yeah, but this guy I knew, him and her did the thing. He's like, no, they didn't. Yeah, but you can imagine what it'd be like if they did.

That's a solid 30-year reference right there. Whoa, 25-year reference? 8% of our audience, according to my made-up statistics, got that one. I've seen that movie. It's a great movie. So he's claiming that he got stabbed and that he stitched himself. And I'm like, no, you didn't. No, you didn't.

Show me the scar. Show me. Show me, bro. Show me where you got stabbed with a kitchen knife and pulled it out of your body and sewed it up yourself because you fucking didn't you fucking didn't yeah and that was that was absurd but yeah the the mushroom one that's happened kyle will do that from time to time but as far as like the audience uh retainer or whatever that was called audience training capture capture audience capture yeah like it was probably five six years ago now and it was actually a sam hyde clip that i saw that like changed my perspective on it because i used

to like read comments a lot more forums all that and i saw a video from him that was like him talking about that and obviously he's a big figure a lot of people talking about him and he was like a lot of everyone knows how negative it is and bad for your psyche to like read bad things about yourself online. If you're a content guy like that's negative. But he also made the point of like it's also almost as sinister and bad to read positive things about yourself. Like the whole idea of like sitting there reading about yourself is going to breed in you like a sort of unintended narcissism in one way or the other that is going to change you as a person and by the same rationale by the same rationale by the same rationale that you would say don't read that negative stuff they

don't know you don't read that positive stuff they don't know exactly yeah they don't know how full of shit you were when you said that thing or that you were being charitable just because you felt like you had to or like they don't know the pressures that you're under or like or any of that stuff so it's like it's like a it's like a house of cards so like i heavily identify with with that like early on in in my like online career dude i was showered with fucking attention and praise non-stop and i fucking i fucking bought into it you know and i'm like reading every comment and um and it didn't really it really didn't take long for me to realize like this is not like a foundation like your fact your foundation needs to be like the relationships that

you have with people in your life you might have done live shows like like chats with hutch show up and pay ten dollars to this club in la and people would have shown up like yeah and it was like super intoxicating in the beginning but it really it really was like a year two years where it was like it just kind of just fell apart like i need more than that and so i i started you know that's why i kind of disappeared negative on you like is that how you remember it it just it just wasn't the like i i remember getting like really depressed towards the end of machinima and it just wasn't it was no longer work it was like a drug to stop working it was like and i and i was in a position where i was like okay well you know i have this hosting gig and i still have this like good job now they're paying me a lot better but i'm just like miserable

and and it just and and that became like an inception idea where it just it just kind of went down from there and so i kind of had to disconnect for like six months and you know and and it's like ebb and it's like an ebb and flow like so like i came back and then i did some crazy shit like got engaged after like a week of reconnecting with someone how'd that go so not great not great i would not i would not recommend it personally good friend of the show just broke up with his fiancee everybody give him a little let's go let's go bobby let's go please continue i'm sorry oh no no no you go ahead when a dude starts talking about his fiancee

you can tell it's his first time saying that word, it's sickening. I fucking get grossed out hearing that shit. And I start plotting. I start plotting. All right, we got to get this guy into a game. So I got him to Tarkov. Now he's away from her, all right? A little rift has been created.

All right, so now I got him in Tarkov. He's addicted to it. He's playing like eight, ten hours a day. Who's he not talking to? The fiance. All of a sudden, it's the girlfriend. All of a sudden, it's the girlfriend. And then, it's the girlfriend and uh oh we gotta play some more tarkov man can you get on tonight yeah i guess i can oh now it's the ex-girlfriend now he's moving back across the country to the eastern seaboard let's go it's the plaintiff boy you're not you're not playing nine

hours nine hours of tarkov a day if your relationship is is going well so i'm sure you know i'm sure you maybe you were the catalyst but there was probably some fuck anyways i've been with my fiancee for nine years now so like we're good yeah yeah but i never heard you say that word before so i know that it is good we've been engaged for like three years we're not really like we're not really yeah you're not doing the speed run thing here. No, no, no. The opposite. So like my relationship is super grounded now. Like my life is pretty peaceful, but for a while there,

I was like subconsciously seeking out chaos. Like I would just go through these cycles where I would get bored, I would get restless. And then there was just something about that cycle of dysfunction and chaos that i was attracted to um and then you know it wasn't until i got a i don't know if i told you guys this but i got a bipolar diagnosis last year and all of a sudden everything made sense i was like oh what's bipolar like can you explain that to me in the audience i've heard it before but i don't feel like i really know well there's a so there's like a pop media sort of like idea of what bipolar is

which is just rapidly cycling between euphoria and mania and depression uh which that is a thing it's just very rare that they call that rapid cycling bipolar or maybe type three i think um but type type two is what i have and it's mostly on the low side so you spend most of the time in the depression but then you have these periods of what they call hypomania instead of mania so full-on mania is like you stay up for three four or five days at a time you start hallucinating like lots of times there's delusions of grandeur they literally think they're j Christ. And so I, it wasn't that for me.

I've I, I only date women who have a bipolar. Are you sure it's not a borderline? No BP. Come on. They're the ones who worship. Well, there's an,

I'm not, I'm not allowed to talk to her doctors anymore. They're court order, but so I'm not quite sure. But, but my experience has always been that man it was almost like split personalities like there are two versions of those people when it's extreme and and one of them is happy go lucky and the other is like the world's tumbling

down at the slightest thing um or it could be angry like one could be very disagreeable and hard sometimes it could be very disagreeable and hard sometimes it could be very disagreeable and hard to get along with other times just the opposite and it'd be like man are you i think norm a lot of people would just be like yeah he's having a he's having a bad day that's that's that's just how he is it's like no he's not having a bad day he's having a fucking episode he's unmedicated he's unmedicated and he has shifted all the way to the right and he's being very disagreeable because he's a different person with different chemistry in his brain right now than he normally is

yeah take anything forward hutch i do yeah i well i stopped well i got clean so i stopped drinking and smoking weed um and then i got on medication and dude uh i'm not i'm not a psychiatrist so i can't give anybody medication advice is my little disclaimer there. But I got on a medication and basically it started working for me right away. The number one thing that it helped me do is get eight hours of sleep every night. So I was really struggling with sleep. So sometimes I would only get four or five hours of sleep a night. And you do that for months and it's really unhealthy.

Yeah. So I take the medication that I take. It's like an hour, hour and a half later. I'm fighting to keep my eyes open so I can manually regulate my sleep. And it just keeps me at a baseline. And it's just been it's been huge for me. They used to prescribe me antidepressants, SSRIs, before they had a diagnosis. But that's not typically what you do with bipolar because you can actually induce mania with SSRIs with the way that serotonin works in our brains.

So I had really negative experiences with Paxil and Prozac. But this medication that I'm on now i pretty much experienced significant relief like right away um the name of the drug is uh fuck what's it called saraquel okay it's a i think it's a letter an s uh well saraquel yeah it's s-e-r-o-q-e uh u-e-l obviously, it's not going to work for everybody. If you're listening to this and you're going through a rough time, I'm not saying, like, hey, you should go seek out... Obviously, ask your doctor about it. Don't just get... It makes birth control less effective. Be careful.

I'm not on birth control. Were there any negative effects you dealt with, like, initially or at all? It makes you a little groggy in the morning. So sometimes, like, I get up really early sometimes because i'll cover like congressional hearings and it's like dc time so i gotta wake up at like five um and so sometimes those mornings are a little rough because it's like hard to yeah so that's like the big one so like it'll you know yeah it'll make you groggy in the morning but it stimulates your appetite so i was like really slender for a really long

time i had a problem with appetite and this makes me eat like tons of calories and so i'm at a pretty healthy weight and it dude it totally changed my whole life and like i now i'm i'm much more careful about tying it back to what we were talking about before i'm just much more careful about like how i do online stuff like some days i have bad days i'm on twitter just way too long but like i keep my phone in this room now so like when i lay down to go to bed at night it's like not the first thing i do when i wake up is grab my phone and start scrolling and yeah so it's like a combination of things it's like lifestyle changes and then and then uh diet and then uh medication is gotta keep my phone close what i

gotta hear those amber alerts gotta know they're on your tail yeah has anyone ever gotten one of those and like ran outside and like looked around and i do is i like toyota corolla where yeah i sprint to my neighbor's house and be like did you guys see have you seen yeah that's fucking yeah one time hutch one time they did they were looking for like a burgundy corolla or something and uh they said there was like a car seat in the back and i'm driving by the way i'm towing another car in a toyota tacoma it's barely capable of towing this like off-road vehicle in the back it's probably overrated for it anyway and this burgundy corolla comes zipping by me at like 80 miles an hour and i'm like well i can load batman here we go so so i started towing at like 90 miles an

hour i am flooring this car in like fourth third gear for as long as i until i finally catch up to it and it well of course it wasn't it yeah that was that's my biggest speeding ticket of my life you don't understand i wonder if you would have understand. I wonder if you would have gotten off. I wonder if you would have gotten off. Like if you got pulled over, you were like, bro, there's an ambler. It was fucking right. There's a burgundy thing. And yeah.

Yeah. I was trying to help. I'm trying to be like a screen shot it. And I saw it. It's similar thing, you know, when you've got an emergency, but you're running from the cops. I saw a guy. He's running from the cops for blocks and blocks and blocks pulls into the vet's office jumps out with

like a carrier and runs to the front door where they tase him the vets come out grab his cat out of the carrier and take it inside and save it it was like he gave it all for that little fucking cat the cat was having convulsions or something having seizures and he wouldn't stop for the cat's not even gonna appreciate it not at all they're awful he'd eat his lips right off if that guy uh died in his sleep or something like that i don't i don't like that about animals any animal that would eat you right away i i just think less of it's like something about you're pretty much siloed into dogs because that's about the only one that wouldn't eat you pretty quickly afterward. Reptile, get real.

I think my cat would wait a few days. I think they would hold out. If I died in my living room, there's no fucking way my fish would get me. No, they die on their own looking. Yes, they would. Licking their lips. Licking their lips, thinking about lips thinking about they can't have like if a cat were

the size if a house cat were the size of a tiger like no one would be comfortable being around them that they have enormous cats they have that they're called tigers yeah you wouldn't want you want to be on a tiger have you seen that video of like the sri lankan guy who jumps in the enclosure and is like and then the the tiger just boom like pats at him a little bit to like kind of identify what's going on and i've never touched a person before oh shit yeah one quick bite on the back of the neck and then he carries him away like he's a just a bag of oranges nothing no weight to weight to him. It was crazy. Was it a lion or a tiger? A tiger. Yeah, this guy apparently jumped into the enclosure,

which is a horrifying way to end your life. I was in my 20s when I realized tigers were bigger than lions. They're pretty big. Ligers are the biggest, right? When they mix them together. Unless you've seen some of... I think it's true. They absolutely are.

Ligers are the largest. Ligers are bigger than tigers and lions it takes the power of both there finds them yeah it has the bigger frame and longer body of a of a tiger but it has that the heavy setness of the lion they're very they can get really fat if you remember the doc the thing we watched with the that doc ellis guy or whatever the one who had the um and tiger king yeah he had he had the bitches uh and the elephant and everything i think he had a liger maybe um but yeah the liger is the biggest item what's your favorite animal what's the liger did tiger king ever get his pardon i know he's trying to get a pardon from trump trump's not giving those out he's not giving he gives them out i don't think anybody is murderers though

i think he ran i think he is he running again this i think he's running from prison to be president tiger king has started the trend he's got my vote i'm down let's see what happens add a little bit of fun a little injection of mirth into you know i think his idea of border security might be fucking cool tigers it might not be too dissimilar from Trump's because Trump allegedly proposed a moat with alligators. He's on the right track. If they put it on the ballot, who here would not vote yes on Proposition A alligator moat for the southern border? I'm in. I'm mailing in hundreds of fake ballots.

Policy-wise, I don't. Yeah, I would be opposed, unfortunately. I would be for it just to see the spectacle. And look, if you're stupid enough to try to cross the Rio Grande after we stock that bitch with gators, then we don't want you here. You can't contribute to this economy. You're leaving.

Just think of the maintenance. Just think of the maintenance for of the maintenance for the strongest and bravest kyle you're getting the cream of the crop if we see one big cholo out there with a gator and a headlock like plucking its eyes out and then he turns to the other one like stabs it with one of those little mexican knives they have then yeah get him over here we we can we can have two routes into the country, right? You either fight the alligators or you pass some sort of academic test. But either way, border security. Actually, Kyle, this is a terrible idea.

It's going to only let in the most capable, dangerous people on Earth. You got to say military age. You got to say military age. Military age is a fucking code word I hear so often. You don't like that one? It's military age, and now they military age. Military age is a fucking code word I hear so often. You don't like that one? It's military age and

then and now they're talking about cannibals because I guess there's like an actual cannibal named barbecue and cannibalism because there are people eating each other in Haiti.

Yeah. The guy is in Haiti. Yeah. Well, that's why we need a strong southern border. Keep those Haitian barbecues out.

Haitians walking to America? If you search Haitian barbecue on the wrong website, you do not find food. Well, you do. But it'll make you sick. It'll give you that brain worm disease. Do we have any election predictions here? What do you guys think? I think they both have a bet.

Texas is going blue. Yeah, listen to me. Hear it out. Hold on. Let me look at the polls. Pornhub has been banned in Texas now. The Republicans have banned Pornhub out of Texas and my own state of North Carolina, and I don't know how many more.

I think this is the true third rail of politics, that when Republicans start fucking with the sperm bank, they're going to start losing votes. I don't think... I know what that's going to start losing votes i don't think i got what that's going to do taylor's falling right into it people in public will say nah it's okay to ban porn it might be good for america but in private they pull that lever for the democrats i've got some bad news birth rate skyrocketing no abortion no porn the polls right now trump is looking good in texas i'm just saying oh well how's it got banned today No abortion, no porn. The polls right now, Trump is looking good in Texas.

I'm just saying. How does he look in a real purple state like Georgia? All the swing states right now are slightly in favor of Trump. In aggregate. I don't remember the date when I made my Trump bets. Too early to tell now. But it's like a year at least ago. Like long before anything got started.

I just... It's a few things. It has nothing to do with what happens in the day in and day out. I just think Biden is too old, and he's not beloved. He doesn't have that Clinton magic or that George W. magic. He's not beloved. Definitely not the Obama magic. Doesn't have that clinton magic or that george w magic he's not beloved and you definitely not the obama magic doesn't have that either he he's not running a scam but trump on the other hand there are people who there there's going to be the anti-trump vote that goes to biden

but that's i just don't think hate gets you out if you're on the left i don't think you can bank on hating trump or being afraid of Trump to get your guy elected. And that's why I bet on Trump. He probably should not be antagonizing Nikki Haley voters, though. I don't think that's very smart. Nobody should be antagonizing Trump because he's about to be the president of the United States.

I think that all of these lawsuits, I'd be backing off. I'd be leaving him the fuck alone until I knew for sure that he wasn't about to be the commander-in-chief. I'd want a postponement on everything everything i'd want to wait until we know who we're prosecuting slash persecuting in some cases some of that shit is very valid i think the charges helped him in the primaries but i don't know if it'll help him in the general and it's not even

clear at this point if any of these well the manhattan trial is probably going to start next month um but it's not are you not up to date on that the manhattan trial got delayed uh today uh brag said he'd be willing to wait 30 days what did you hear maybe something similar but i think they're going to reschedule it in 30 i'm not sure it'll start in 30 days and i think i might have heard 90 i think i did i did hear 90 days but who knows i'm only as good as I saw 30. And then it would be only like 240 days before the election. Something close to that.

Yeah. So Doc 90 off that. Now we're 150 days from the election and they don't like to do these trials in the last two or three months. It's just easy to see how it gets pushed on the other side. It's tactically so i don't get why they did it at this time if they were trying to like really hurt trump because it it galvanizes support around him much more than it like gets more people against him like it's a bad just politically it's a bad tactic to do this leading up to an election well galvanize support for his supporters

a galvanized support during the primaries i don't't know how many, I mean, you could be right, but I don't know how many independents are looking at legal peril as though it makes them a martyr. But you're also framing this like it is necessarily a political thing. There was this tactical thing, like democratic leadership got together and it was like okay let's coordinate these indictments i think it's you have that's what it seems to be like do you think he would be concerned for this stuff if he announced i'm not even if it's not you'll have a hard time convincing most people that's true timing is not suspect and appearances is all that matters that's true i think you you're right about that. I think most people view it through a partisan lens.

But I don't think like Nancy Pelosi and Schumer and Biden gotten, you know, invited like Jack Smith and Fannie Willis and Bragg to the White House and like secretly coordinated this. It was just I think they had been investigating in Georgia since like immediately after the Januaryuary or not necessarily january 6th up but the like the the call to raffensperger and all that so she started investigating like right away and um you know you you'd like you have to start it at some point and and if you wait too long and then he's president and then the statute of limitations runs out so the timing makes sense even if you the timing makes sense if you remove the partisan interpretation of things. But I think a lot of people, they have a sense of power and power hierarchies in this country as there being a cabal of people at the top that are pulling the strings.

I think a lot of people view power through that lens. And I think the real world is just much more complicated and disconnected and and uh interconnected and it's fine i think people see the other side like that and i guess i'm kind of projecting here because that's how i see trump trump just took over the rnc this is the republican national committee like the not the government but the party that's responsible for getting people elected and trump put his daughter-in-law in there. She's in the second in command and the first in command. She's the co-hire.

It's like a figurehead that's also a Trump sycophant. And they're just doing Trump shit. They completely got rid of their mail-in voting people. Any kind of mail-in voting drive or early voting drive, they got rid of that. Saying that early voting and mail-in voting is bad. I think it's a huge tactical error, but it's a thing Trump is doing. All this RNC money is going to go to Trump. It's

not going to go down ballot. No more senators, no more House of Representatives or local school boards or whatever. Trump has taken all that money and he's going to pay his attorneys and he's going to pay himself. And I think it's going to wreck the party. You guys are confident Trump is going to win? I think Trump is going to get absolutely butt-fucked come November. And and not just trump i think it's going to hurt other

people down the line too and i know it's not easy to be this confident i get it but he got butt fucked in 2022 in 2020 and in 2016 like these guys haven't had a good run in a long time it's been um it's been a minute but like the other thing to point out too is that polling underestimated Trump and the Republicans broadly in 2016 and 2020. When we're talking about state-level polls, the national polls were actually kind of close to the margin of error in the aggregate for like RCP and 538. It was state-level polls where it was like, you know, you had the poll ohio clinton plus two and then the final product is like tech trump plus one like what the fuck happened to the polls there um but one thing that has been going on now consistently since the dobbs decision is democrats have been overperforming in contests and after contest after contest we've seen like gubernatorial seats that have been flipped state legislatures state supreme courts um there's no question that the dobbs decision

energized voters and what's happening right now is is the uh democrats are doing better with specifically energized voters with the type of voters that will show up and vote in a special election or a midterm election they have an advantage there the thing that's unpredictable is that trump actually brings a lot of people to the polls he's energizing so it's going to be this energizing force of dobbs and because it's not biden you guys are right about that like he's not like a cares he's not like a beloved character or a president so it's it's going to be the dobbs decision and like recent stuff like ivf, you know, stuff like that. That does energize a lot of a lot of voters. I want to get your Trump.

I can think about on like Gavin Newsom. I think he is like a good option if the Democrats like I feel like he makes the most sense in my view. Switch someone out. Who's better than him here's the thing like people say like well the generic democrat polls better than biden so you know they need to bring somebody else in but then when you get specific polling like okay well how does pete pull against trump how does kamala pull against trump how does newsom how does whitmer biden pulls the best against Trump versus all these. And it makes sense.

Incumbents have an advantage. They have name recognition and all that. But Gavin Newsom, I think, is a sharp politician. If you watch his interviews with... Even if you don't like his politics. If you watch his interviews with Hannity, he's really good at holding things in his head. So Hannity will say five things.

And then he'll tackle each thing in order. He's really good at holding things in his head so hannity will say like five things and then he'll tackle each thing like in order he's really good at keeping so rhetorically he's very skilled i don't know if he has a lot of appeal outside of california i do not like gavin newsom at all but he's clearly he he seems like he would he's the most like traditionally good looking he's not overweight he's not fat normal looking dude like optics is paramount when you're in politics and when it gets slimmed down to r versus d like i just don't like i don't imagine biden doing a good job gavin news i don't know maybe i'm totally wrong i think biden i don't think biden's my if you ask me to pick my uh my my second pick for who's going to be president like like most likely Trump who's second, most likely it's

still not Biden. Who is interesting? Who wins? It's people have been saying like Rogan says it a lot. I think the second most likely thing is that Biden dies. And Rogan, Rogan's been, he's been saying this a lot where it's like, well, he can't, they can't run Biden. They can't run.

Here's the reality. It was always going to be Trump versus Biden after 2020, but it's not going to not be Biden. It's going to be Biden. A hundred percent is going to be Biden. People just assume that he was going to be this one term president. If you look at interviews really early on, he was saying, my intention is to run again, but I'm not going to, I'll tell you when the time comes, but he was saying the whole time, his intention is to run two terms. age is obviously a liability like and and voters seem to have hardened in that position yeah and that's that's a really tricky thing to disentangle like uh decouple yourself from like um so that's going to be the big challenge for him and you know

unfortunately the only way to do that is to be aggressive and get him get him out there more get people like show the public like yes he stammers yes he stutters but if you put him in a long-form interview he can get into like deep detail about like complicated geopolitical stuff and uh he again he might stammer but he's not dumb uh and he's not demented but i think he definitely is not entirely with it What makes you say that out of curiosity? Seeing the way that he kind of hoovers around the stage, needs constant assistance and people walking up to guide him, makes gaffes not understanding who he's discussing, where he's discussing about.

He's just not with it. Like if it were anyone else but trump i feel like they would replace this guy and go with someone who's way more capable and that they were comfortable putting in front of the country more because like how many times have we how many times have you seen him like about to answer a question and his like wife scurries over real quick and ushers him off i don't know i mean i see what i see i understand what you're saying optically there's no question that he he has never been a skilled orator but 10 years ago he was way better and on a microphone than he is now there's no question that he's like he's lost his time he's like how do you reconcile out of curiosity and you don't we don't need to get into like whether you like the policies but how do you reconcile the fact that legislatively his record is really fucking impressive like the amount of bills

that he was able to sign into law eclipsed obama eclipsed uh certainly eclipsed trump trump got the tax cuts that was like trump didn't get anything done i would say i don't like the businesses and the wealthy and that's that's it what else do you mind guys one fucking embassy and biden got chips he got the pact act he got the gun bill he got the infrastructure bill he got the inflation reduction act he got the you know these and a lot of these were bipartisan so he was able to do what trump said he was going to do trump said he was going to get in there and be like a deal maker and he's just very abrasive and just not you know yeah like he was stymied a lot by his own party and whatnot with i don't i

still i mean by himself they offered him an infrastructure deal and he wouldn't take it yeah he wanted i mean they also like wouldn't give him like border wall he wanted concessions five billion dollars for the border wall is too crazy he wouldn't pass a nationwide infrastructure bill unless they stopped the impeachment investigation he made it about himself and that's Trump. That's why I don't like him. But how do you reconcile that? Just like so is he? I don't like the legislative moves he's making and I don't like the changes in the country since he took over. No, yeah, of course. The blame on him. Like it's like the covid shit really sent us down a spiral of printing infinite money.

And the normal people, the middle class of the country ending up footing the bill for this and meanwhile we're funding foreign wars again seemingly multiple constantly like i would i dislike what he's doing a half no no setting aside setting setting aside because you're you're a libertarian type you're like uh conservative so obviously the policies you're not going to be a fan of. But that's not the question, though. The question is, how do you reconcile him being a demented old man with him having, by modern standards, a wildly successful legislative slate that he got passed? I don't think that Biden himself is that impactful in his administration. I don't think he's waking up in the morning and beating the pavement, taking care of things. I think it's largely his cabinet and the fact that he has a majority of Democrats. So he can really kind of get this done. Well, for example, there was a political article and McCarthy reportedly he was

like publicly saying, oh, Trump is this demented old guy or whatever. In private, he was reportedly saying when he had meetings with Biden, he was surprisingly sharp and he was very active during those negotiations process. The immigration, the border wall bill, reportedly, he was very active in him personally. Hearsay. Yeah, I mean, it is all hearsay. Like, you're going to hear what you want. I've seen, I can only judge his confidence based on what I see with my own eyes. I don't believe in, look, if you listen to Trump propaganda to Trump propaganda, it's like Kim Jong-un type shit.

Yeah, he weighs 230 and he's 6'5". Oh, my God. Okay, calm down. We get it. You got an ego and you're a liar. And you're fat. You can't run away from that. You're fat.

My tie is long. My tie is long. I can't be fat. Biden is not fat. I'll give him that over Trump. Biden is a spelt guy. You know why, Taylor? Because he doesn't... You gotta fall off bikes sometimes.

And what do you do when you fall off a bike? You get right back on it. Sometimes if I don't read my speech, it's good. They don't bring me my soup. I mean, just for me, like, my priorities as a voter, obviously I favor different policies than you, but like, the question that I ask is like, if I, you know know when i'm evaluating if i want to support a candidate is like how effective were they in pursuing their agenda and when i look at his agenda i'm like yeah like truly

he got a remarkable amount and even if you want to say like okay well that's because of his cabinet i mean i disagree i think he was reportedly very directly involved with a lot of these negotiations. I don't see the guy. It doesn't matter to me why he's successful, only that he's successful, right? Different management styles. Like I've heard Clinton, for example, forget the policies and the man, but just the style. Clinton was very hands hands-on he was trying to negotiate peace between the palestinians and the israelis and just block by block he's in there saying you know well what do you think of street and you know should this go here and whatever that's who clinton was he was in the dirt he had his hands dirty reagan on the other hand he was much more of a you know he

managed the other managers who put their you know policies forward and didn't you know day by day talk about which streets should do what or the details of stuff he just put people in place to make it all happen i don't know which one's better they can both be successful yeah if i if there's a wildly competent politician who does a good job of like enforcing legislation that i don't like like i don't i don't want that guy in well sure like the same way like it's kind of like the discussion we're having is like like we're fans of different sports teams almost to make it try it and be like well why do you not appreciate how good the blackhawks are at this and it's like well because i don't like what the blackhawks when they win like when the blue no i'm just challenging i'm pushing back against the

idea that he's not competent because it's hard to reconcile. Well, I mean, you might argue that Trump was standing there doing nothing because it's conservative. We're happy with the way things are. I saw him tearing down lots of EPA regulations. We like that shit. Well, no, he had a legislative agenda. And he achieved basically none of it well he got the infrastructure week every week for that wall infrastructure week was a running joke yeah when trump was president and the first thing he tried to do was repeal and replace obamacare and that was and and ultimately

you know yeah failed and and uh so i don't know, do you guys feel like the Republican Party is better off now than they were before 2016? When I look at 2014, you know, you got McConnell's got that iron grip in the Senate and Paul Ryan's got that iron grip in the House. They had their shit together. They were right. Why can't you take that job if every single Republican in the House voted for him unanimously? And they did. Right. Compare that to today.

The Republicans are fucking losers because they don't do anything that their constituents want. They're like, what do you want? A secure border? More money to Israel, my friends. Like, it's it's they're they're just losers. Like Marjorie Taylor Greene. They suck. Marjorie Taylor Greene represents the an an area right above me i live in atlanta and uh man when i saw her at the state of the union wearing that hat

with the shirt and shit on i was thinking to myself later and i was telling somebody while biden was speaking i think we're doing the show i was like yeah marjorie taylor green had the hat on i'm sure she's not wearing it now the president is speaking and like like that's i've got at least that much respect i'd lose my hat if the president's speaking i don't care who it is and you know well maybe i care may if they if it's if it's only using me blade i've got some questions and about what happened to this universe how he became president but it's not it's fine and then i look and she's got it on and then she yells she yells again because she yelled last year. She was the one, her and Boebert from Colorado. She is a powerhouse when it comes to fundraising. I don't know if you knew this, but Marjorie Taylor Greene is one of the one of the best fundraisers in the Republican Party.

Can you pull that back up, please? She looks so much like Ron Perlman. I can't get over it. That's her. That's her servant there next to her that black lady but you know who else was a incredible fundraiser for the party mccarthy and the trump wing pushed him out so like when i look at the republican party right now i try to be as unbiased as i can in my evaluation but if if bernie sanders had won in 2016 and then we the democratic party had a run that was similar to what the republican trajectory is currently i would be pissed i would be like this guy's fucked the party like um well stated yeah trump has ruined a lot of people his takeover of the rnc is gonna hurt them they're

losing donors the billionaire donors are like i'm not here to fund trump's lifestyle i'm not donating to the party until this changes well they're not holding it to fund his lifestyle they're like holding donations to get legislation they want so look they're gonna spend that money on his legal bills like his legal liability and should be a posting bond in new york it's like best case scenario if you think trump will only use it to pay his legal expenses then you're giving him a lot of credit baron needs new pants come on all the time i have a motherfucker bro he's like ben simmons what if what if what if trump like gave him some sort of super soldier serum because if you remember i remember the night they won i watched it recently you know 2016 or whatever it was he was tired he's a normal skinny fucking kid he looks a lot suspiciously in fact a lot like steve rogers in captain america number one right when he's all skinny and he's in the alley

getting his ass beat before bucky comes and saves him i i submit that donald trump gave his son the super soldier soldier there's a non-zero chance you're right. And he created a superhuman, the first of his kind, and a program to mirror in fact, Xi Jinping's program to create super Chinamen. He used Jackie Chan's DNA and he mixed it with a Nephilim

DNA sample that they collected in Mongolia. He's almost as tall as Trump in this. I assume this is 2016. Either that or he's jumping. Nephilim DNA mixed with that of a man. It's possible that Trump wins in 2024.

The Senate is going to be really hard for the Democrats to defend. It's possible that Trump wins. Republicans likely take back the Senate, but Democrats take back the House. Then you have this split government And then typically with the way that Pendulums work

I mean obviously like Republicans Bucked the trend in the 2022 midterms But then 2026 midterms How do you think it goes in Trump's third term? Yeah well There will be no third term the second just doesn't stop I think it's a lot of people that are like I think some of the hand-wringing I think some of the hand-wringing about the end of democracy

is a little cringy. That's really embarrassing. It made sense. The threat was a lot bigger when he was exiting in 2021 because he actually had power. If he serves out his second term, there will be a campaign and an election. serves out his second term there will be a campaign and an election and you know that if he doesn't want to leave in 2028 or 2029 rather he will be escorted out of the right what if he argues who

want that job what if he makes the same argument that fdr made that his hair is fucking sick and that he should keep being president constitutional amendment you could try to do that it's really fucking hard to do that but um it would be tough i agree with you that hand ringing is frustrating to see because it's like all right now we're just in la la land now we're just in in pretend world like come on reading over stuff that not even the people being worried about it actually are i mean i think he's i think he's bad for a lot of reasons but i don't think it's i i don't think it's at all possible that he's going to stay for a third term. I just,

I just, and he'll be like, if he wins, won't he be like 83 by the time it's over? Uh, how old was the queen when she passed away last year? Like 104, but she didn't wait.

Why is she hanging out? I think she's actually 99. Low nineties. I thought, no, no. Betty white was 99. She was so close to a hundred and actually 99. Low 90s, I thought. No, no. Betty White was 99. She was so close to 100. And then she didn't make it, which sucks.

I'd rather die at like 87 than go to 99, not even make it. She was 96 when she died. 96. Still a good run. I don't think I'd like. Or maybe I would. I bet like 92-year-old me would be like, man, I'm glad I'm still alive. But when you see someone who's like 96 years old,

it's like, my goodness, what quality of life do you have? Everything. There aren't many spry. I saw a picture of Jackie Chan today. He looked like shit. That's why I used him as my CCP super soldier DNA.

Jackie. I would have bet the house that he was going to age brilliantly. He spent his whole life getting the shit beaten out of him. Asian. What do you guys think getting the shit beaten out of him in Hong Kong. What do you guys think of the idea that basically every president moving forward for the next 20 to 30 years are going

to have an initial bump when they first get inaugurated because that's what always happens, but then it's going to just hover around 40%. No, I disagree. Give me one person that could get 55 55 it's not about the 55 it's not about the person it's about the scenario that we're in if we like if if things are just coasting along economy up economy down then yeah you're right but if we get in a a real war it's somebody

we don't like talk some shit and we gotta go handle it and everybody gets them flags out and all of a sudden there's country music at every super bowl and they're not we're not doing the black national anthem anymore because we've got toby keith's fucking hologram out there singing the you know what i mean like trump had that he had that with covid that could have been like yeah if he would have worked that i mean he i feel like covid in some ways that was a gift he's he could have he could have he could in another universe he could have sailed i would have only here's what i did i should be on his fucking team i just said mr president here's the thing each and every vial of the vaccine if you're going to fund this what do they call it would he like the surge or something when they

put a bunch of money in to try to develop the cure i don't think that operation warp speed i'm pretty sure you told me that Warp Speed wasn't directly responsible for the COVID vaccine. It was responsible for like one or two out of the three. Maybe Hutch knows. Okay. Well, he should have had his face on those

bottles, or at least the American flag. If he had done that, if the whole world, when they got their life-saving bottle of medicine they had to draw it out of an american flag painted bottle i'd like that and anybody who won't let them die didn't he put his name on the on on one one of the rounds of the stimmy checks yes yes he did bottom yeah i liked that i think a lot similar i think biden did something biden did that for the loan forgiveness thing.

I bet he didn't want to at first, but some staff was like, sir, here are the numbers. And they showed, because every time I see black folks talking about Trump on social media, they're like, I remember that check he sent me. That's what I remember.

I remember that motherfucker bought my PlayStation 5. That's what I remember madden motherfucker like progress with uh hispanic voters and black voters i mean i don't know if like it's could be there's such charlie browns with that it's hilarious they're like this is the time that more than zero black people vote republican and then they're wrong every time he already no he already did a little bit better with black voters in 2020 and the current polling though didn't he win it's like going from like eight to ten percent but you know that's it matters though yeah that really does every one of them it's it's so close but here's why he

sorry a ton of mexican support here's why um spanish american whatever you want to fucking call immigrants true immigrants who know we're now fucking voters who came from there. Because those people have one thing in common. They all went through the process. That's why they're able to vote. And they hate communists. And if they can vote, it's an extensive process. If they've gone that far down the road, they're not just on some work visa or some long-term program.

And they hate communists. They're voting former Mexicans. They went through the steps. So when they see somebody jump into the front of the line behind them, they don't like that. So immigration's a big deal to them. Here's the other one. All of them are Catholic. All of them are Catholic. And they don't like abortion.

They like having 18 fucking kids. And gay marriage. They hate that shit. They got all sorts of mean words for that. I think it's like, I saw a poll where it was like, I think it's like i saw i saw a poll where it's like i think it was like 75 or 80 percent of spanish catholics living in the united or hispanic catholics that live in the united states opposed gay marriage like they were the um the most

opposed of any marriage approval is going to go in that direction though i think it's going to get more and more accepted every decade as time goes by yeah it's like interracial marriage right but the democrats have some other stuff wrong and the one i'm thinking of really is like some of their passion around trans issues particularly biological males and female sports like bro this is a bad position would you just drop it stop that like you call me this is like five years ago but the guy that won the texas state no the girl that won the texas state wrestling champion was clearly a guy she was jacked she'd kick my ass too and i'm like this is just wrong this is wrong that penn state guy the swimmer

girl fuck i'll keep fucking this up um she was a guy the year before she was a division one male swimmer and then he she just flipped over to the girl's side and put on a different bathing suit and fucked everybody up and won the national championships because of course she did when democrats support this kind of stuff it's not an important issue but politically it is and no one's on their side so change it up trans people represent 0.5 percent of the population in adults and they take up about 50 percent of the discourse online um so i think they're allowed i agree they're a very loud and obnoxious group of people i'm glad you were the one to step out of line and really bless us. I'm glad this touch comes through.

But yeah, some positions are just losers, but Roe v. Wade is probably an even bigger issue, and it's a loser too. I disagree. I disagree. That's where I was going with the Catholics, Mexicans. Pornhub's illegal in my state. Pornhub's illegal in Texas. Keep doing this, Republicans. See how many votes you get. That's okay. That's different. They'll never figure out who to blame for that. See, little issues like that don't resonate with the little voter.

You're wrong, and I'll tell you why. Because when you go to Pornhub, it's a video. There's only one page you can possibly get to, and it's a woman saying, yeah, well, the Republicans don't want us to like verify your id and get some credit cards or something like your federal id so that we know exactly what porn you're watching and we're just saying not for your state damn okay that's a

different story then yeah there's if porn hub was smart they would oh never mind no you're right yeah there's all kinds of uh interesting like realignments going on politically politically in the cultures because like so even even though republicans have seen not not insignificant gains with hispanic and black voters there's been an interesting realignment of women in the suburbs towards the democratic party um and that started even before dobbs but now now it's more significant now. So even though they've made... You want to talk about the Palestinian issue?

What about it? Kyle, you're Biden right now. Yes. You're late. I have no idea what to do. I can't please everybody. It's a no-win situation. What's the closest to a win you can manage? Kyle's good at this.

He's out there way steep in the fucking bog right now he already stepped in it so to speak but with with his initial sort of inaction and then that sort of back and forth nonsense well you say inaction but his administration were directly involved in negotiations for two previous ceasefires so they've been very active with all i see is buildings and rubble and bodies and dead babies and so if you tell me there was a ceasefire one day like oh was that when they found the bodies when they had the ceasefire you know what i mean like i'm not hearing it i'm hearing dead babies dead babies videos what i see is biden who can't keep his

dog on a leash that's what i see i see biden i see and not only that he's like patting him on the back a little like he's not america's dog though he's not he's no he should be though well they you know like we do give them a substantial amount of money well we give them 3.5 billion dollars each year but that represents about 17 of their military budget if we stopped all weapon transfers and financial aid tomorrow they would still be going no they ran out of ammo well then let's do they would they would then they would forge you don't think that a country like china or russia is going to try to step in immediately to fill that void like for sure so like you can't like there's this there's this idea that biden Biden can just literally force Israel to do whatever he wants them to do.

And I don't think that's true at all. I think he certainly can, because I think that Biden has, he's like, all right, well, I can do this with Saudi Arabia. I can say this to Iran. We can change our stance on our defensive packs. You don't get the new Ares missile system. We're not going to bring our boats and provide you anti-air cover from from all those drones that are coming from the houthis you know how many drones we shot down with our 13 billion dollar fleet that we rolled up for him are you

talking about the iron dome right now no i'm talking about the united states sent a fucking aircraft uh uh carrier fleet over there and parked there to carrier group, and parked there and shot drones down for weeks. They're still shooting them down. I think they should be our dog because we give them tons of money. I'm the most pro-Israel one here. We get fucking

nothing. No, that's not true. That's not true. We get hated by the world and embroiled in conflicts that we shouldn't be in. Did you say we give them nothing? that they we get hated by the world and embroiled in conflicts that we shouldn't be in did you say they are nothing because no we get nothing no we have so no so first thing they they share they share that they're they're an intelligence partner with us so they share their intelligence with us which is huge that's like not wait what what is it now what is it worth like the largest recipient of 4Mate? I want something a little more concrete. I watched a YouTube video that was explaining that America exports security.

And by that, I mean we spend a lot on our own military, and everyone in NATO knows that we'll protect them if shit goes wrong. And then exchange, we get really hard to define, hard to monetize, hard to understand goodwill. I don't know what kind of trading that gets us, how much better Apple and Cisco and GE are doing because of this security export. But it seems like not a lot, that it's like an IOU that we get in exchange. So when I hear that they're a security or an intelligence partner that's just one that's just one aspect though i mean i please very little value like their intelligence is not what the legends say it is october 7th proves that so like i don't know if

israel wasn't our intelligence partner would there be any difference at all they they had intelligence of uh oct October 7th. The problem is they were stretched too thin. They had diverted a lot of their troops over to the West Bank, and there was ineptitude when they were reading the intelligence. And so it was like America. We had a heads up that September 11th was going to happen, and we had a similar kind of lapse in intelligence

where they just ignored the threat and it happened. And then some people think that bush bush did 9-11 but it's not like america is helping this country or that country because we're this fucking altruistic pro-liberal democracy um force we we don't do these things out of the goodness of our hearts we do it because it benefits the national interest as much as i don't get out though i can't find where we're getting a good deal or how this works out for us we spend yeah the american people do not benefit from our relationship i have this strong sense of right and wrong that dictates my foreign policy and that's why i'm pro-ukraine right the russians took over a country that didn't belong to them they're raping

the women they're stealing the children if that's true um but they definitely don't belong in ukraine right i just i'm very suspicious of all the propaganda i watch both sides and i don't know anyway um but i'm still pro ukraine even though it doesn't benefit America, because I'm pro good guys, right and wrong, et cetera. In Israel versus Hamas, it's not as clear to me. I'd rather just let two assholes fight each other and stay away. Well, I don't think we get anything beneficial to actual Americans here, like raising families and working jobs by supporting Ukraine or Israel in these insane ways. It's just, it's not beneficial. It's not helpful to us. It makes us enemies all over the world. by supporting Ukraine or Israel in these insane ways. It's not beneficial.

It's not helpful to us. It makes us enemies all over the world, particularly in the instance of Israel currently. It's not a net benefit for us. And I agree with Woody in that this ethereal promise of intelligence that we probably have a better version of already is not sufficient to be like, oh, well then write know give them give them write the right check for the house american taxpayer money straight over i think you guys are

underselling the importance of like sharing intelligence with it with our like global expertise in israeli intelligence like what what do we really like what have we concretely gotten from them that would make it worthy that they've been the largest recipient of foreign aid for the past 80 years we'll look at the region of the world and then look at like who who can we possibly i mean it's in america's interest to have international partnerships all over the world to benefit to benefit our economic structure to maintain stability to maintain liberal democracy in countries all over the world like it's not just because we do it because we care it's because it because it serves our interests um and when you look at that region like who you know like we have this tenuous we have this kind of like tense friendship with saudi arabia now maybe but who else are we going

to be partnering up with iraq iran like yemen like oman like um and so like just geo geographically um they're they're a very important uh foothold for american interest in that region i'm not saying i necessarily look i just want to clarify i'm just i'm telling you what i think like a foreign policy expert would say i don't necessarily disagree that we're whether we're too entrenched in certain conflicts i'm just saying that i wonder if israel will be our friend a little cheaper right if three the taylor said they're the largest beneficiary of our uh foreign aid over the last so many years i don't know who is that true is that a lot okay number two is egypt and the reason for that is we basically paid off egypt to normalize relations

with israel so it's almost tangentially related to that. Cumulatively. Cumulatively. It's, it's been a, I can't say that word. It's been over a little over $200 billion that we've given them over, over the last several decades.

Are you telling me Israel wouldn't be my friend for a 50 billion? Like, like, did it have to be 200 billion? Did it have to be that outrageous? What about 10 billion? What if it was just some smaller number? I feel like we're getting a little bit hoodwinked on this terrible deal yep a lot of it they are good businessmen a lot of it's like boomer when you talk to boomers your average boomer they are gonna like fiercely

defend israel because they remember israel in the context of like fleeing the holocaust and and uh and for a lot of them that Are you talking about the evangelicals? For a lot of them, it's about prophecy. For a lot of them, it's about biblical... You know what? The magnet on my grandma's refrigerator said, my God's a Jewish carpenter. All right? They fucking mean that shit. They're ready. Those old

folks, you talk to a 70-year-old Southern Baptist, he's ready to go over there and dig through that rubble so we can finish somebody off like they love israel okay and they were literally waiting for the end of times and and and that's a not insignificant amount of american where where they support israel for that explicit reason but for a lot of old people like it's like a cultural like it's just you know they're a product of the times in israel um that was like a big

fucking deal in 1948 when when you know when they when the united nations partitioned that land um it was seen as like you know it's huge for them when did they bomb our ship was that 64 are you talking about the gulf right now no that's that's vietnam false flag i'm talking about when the israelis attacked that united states naval vessel and like bombed it the uss liberty yeah well is that 64 uh 50s or 60s yeah i don't remember whoops 67 67 yeah it's also like an interesting we're like uh like dresden for example when we bombed dresden uh we killed i think 50 000 people in two nights of bombing the fire bombing of tokyo before hiroshima we killed 80 000 japanese in one night of bombing and so um i think what's interesting

now is like if we would have had cell phones back then you know what would the what would the public's response have been because we were cheering that on here domestically in my lifetime i've watched war coverage get so much more real and accurate now there's always been propaganda and there still is gruesome but the first invasion of iraq was the first one where we had like real-time satellites right people weren't using film and mailing the film back to America to be edited and approved and put on television instead it was like a real-time conversation with this weird delay you know between anchors at CNN and Geraldo Rivera in the sand and since then it's gotten way better now every freaking

soldier has a gopro on his head we're walking through the trenches showing his highlights on tiktok yeah and i'm glad you mentioned geraldo he's he's the one who gave away like troop positions or movements or something to fucking cnn while they were happening he got a lot of trouble for that or at least a lot of like public trouble i don't know if i'm sure someone went and talked to him from they really got fucked up in desert storm though so i don't know if it made a difference that was a big w that was a big w that was a fast w that was actual mission accomplished in 30 days that's why that's one of the reasons george w bush gets it gets it gets you know kind of two thumbs down for me on that regard in particular because for those of us who have ever played like,

you know, dark tide, vermin tide, once you play a map and you got it down, you can go back and knock that one out easier and easier. Every time we had just done that shit. And it, and it's true.

So bad. It's his dad. It's literally his dad. We say we're not, I like the American way. No monarchies or dictatorships here. So, OK, so then that connection of nepotism and backhand deals. So a few years later, years later, that man's father became leader of the world for eight years.

But then after that, the other guy's wife tried and almost made it. And it's like, I don't know. It seems like we've got a little monarchy of our own making. And like, I love that Kennedy that Kennedy's name still means something. I have to hear about his aunts and uncles and cousins and nephews and shit. They've got that magic touch of, what, you're going to take us to the moon? And I start laying that accent on his neck. It almost seems like Biden breaks the royalty.

I guess Obama broke the royalty trend. He wasn't attached to anyone. He just made it through good grades. Well, fuck, breaks the royalty. I guess Obama broke the royalty trend, right? He wasn't attached to anyone. He just made it through good grades. Well, fuck Clinton did too. And charisma. He was, you know,

Obama was like the best I were to her. His charisma doesn't work on me. I don't like when he gets to the presidency through good grades. Well, he was a Rhodes Scholar. He was, he was fucking smart. Yeah.

Bill Clinton was a Rhodes Scholar and it was a big part of how we got to where he was. How many smart yeah yeah no well he's prize winner yeah bill clinton was a road scholar and it was a big part of how he got to where he was how many road scholars are there a year i'm genuinely asking by the way you were right earlier we sell like 300 000 fords to china a year yeah i thought it was more than you said but a lot of cards more than two you were back checked wrong i just couldn't imagine that i thought there'd be tariffs one um i choose to believe i noticed that number skyrocketed around trump's presidency i think maybe he made no did I just couldn't imagine that. I thought there'd be tariffs for him. I choose to believe. I noticed that number skyrocketed around Trump's presidency. I think maybe he made it.

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What were we talking about? Jews. No, I did want to say seriously though, what do you think the best case scenario for Biden to handle Israel? Oh yeah. No matter what,

fucking 30-40% of people are going to be heated. Yeah. Honestly, I hate to say it, but if you go back in time, what if he immediately sent a force in to lock things down

and keep both sides at bay? Send American troops into Gaza? Yeah. No, that would be bad. That's a bad move. Americans don't have an appetite for war. And to stop Israel from getting their revenge. Like, to me, what I really want...

Yeah, you make everybody mad that way. Israel kind of wins, but not like this. Right? How many people have they killed? 30,000? Is that a good number? Roughly. That's a low estimate, yeah.

Okay. I like that. They lost 1,100, right? I'm going to give them 2,500. 2, give them 2500 2500 right send a message you mess with me i take two for every one and call it good 30 for everyone this feels the goal of war has never been proportionality though so like i feel like this is a really weak argument like portionality for proportionality just like you just double up compound for the proportionality like when america when america entered world war ii we didn't go in there thinking like okay we're gonna kill 50 000 germans it was like the goal was we need to stop the nazis

and the japanese from taking over europe and asia uh and when it comes to yeah and when it comes to the the objective in gaza it's eliminate Hamas. There's a problem with every idea. But I don't know if our goal is total war, right? Which is what you sort of suggested. Our goal is peace. So how do we teach them a lesson and then have peace afterwards? and then have peace afterwards. Hamas have been wholly dedicated to the proposition of killing or expelling every Jew from the river to the sea, greater Israel. They envision ruling

over greater Israel through Islamic law. They're not, they are not, um, people don't like hearing this. People want to hear like permanent ceasefire, permanent ceasefire. I don't know what that means. Um, I true, no, I don't. I really don't. It means a ceasefire that doesn't end. A ceasefire is by definition, a temporary pause in fighting. And then you can springboard off of a ceasefire to negotiate a lasting peace. I don't know how you negotiate a lasting peace with a group whose explicit goal is the destruction of your country. That's where it gets kind of dodgy. And I'm not saying I'm not saying I'm comfortable with the destruction of your country. That's where it gets kind of dodgy. And I'm not saying,

I'm not saying I'm comfortable with the level of force that's been using Gaza. That's not what I mean. And especially in like blocking humanitarian aid is abhorrent, obviously. I mean, yeah. Depends what they're trying to do. We don't know where their goals are.

We don't know what their goals are. They may be trying to exterminate the people in which case, you know, it's, it's going pretty well. They, they clearly want to get them out of there. Aren't they about to invade a different region? trying to exterminate the people, in which case it's going pretty well. They clearly want to get them out of there. Aren't they about to invade a different region? Is it called Rafah or

something? It's in southern Gaza, yeah. Yeah, I think they're going to push them all out. I think the way they're bombing that place, it's not the kind of bombing you do where people move back. Yeah, it's like scorched earth. Which companies are going to be coming in there to fix things? I know which companies. We to be coming in there to fix things i know which

companies we all burn it'll be israeli companies who come to build rebuild that place because that is going to be israeli territory so they're not going to abandon it what netanyahu said his goal was was and it's a joke um it's just as much of a joke as Hamas' idea of permanent peace. But Netanyahu has said that his goal is the destruction of Hamas first and foremost, which he says we're only like six weeks away. But eventually after that, he says they're going to establish basically a permanent military presence in Gaza and they're going to install a puppet government, which for obvious reasons is just not, is not gonna that's not gonna work

obviously it's more likely zelinski gets some of his land back than the people in uh gaza do you know i mean like that's why it's important to have like international pressure on netanyahu to not permit like the only solution for like lasting peace would be a two-state solution it can't be a one-state solution that's just off the table like it has to be a two-state i mean we're the international pressure though and all of our politicians are bitch made around netanyahu well there is pressure from american politicians including biden to pursue a two-state solution that is a that is quote a permanent ceasefire would be like palestinians have their own state and it's like now he knows what a permanent ceasefire is now he's defining

it see there's like even like the people that say like biden should force a permanent ceasefire is now he's defining it see there's like even like the people that say like biden should force a permanent ceasefire i don't know what that means like if if hamas are going to continue rocket fire into civilian into israeli civilian like centers because that's that's what they do they fire thousands of rockets you know they have their iron dome and they have really good defenses but they're constantly under rocket attack from Hamas. Or if they continue to plan October 7 attacks, how is that? That's not a permanent ceasefire. The simplest solution is we do not belong in this eon old ethnic conflict.

Like what? Like there's nothing beneficial for American people, normal American people over there for us. It just embroils us in nonsense and costs us money. Taylor just made me think of something. I was trying to figure out, I was even asking Kyle, hey, what is the political win on this? I think if we followed Taylor, and I guess mine, non-interventionist strategy, and you get a lot of negative press for a couple of weeks, then it would blow it was afghanistan no one's talking about afghanistan is an electric election issue right now but was it a bad withdrawal yeah it was it was several years ago and no one gives a fuck today but a lot of the biggest like donors to the to people like trump biden whoever like they have like a vested

interest like sheldon adelson he like funded the whole republican party and he's like that's one of like israel's like his big issue and so they're not going to go against their big funders well they're also like very pro-zionism too so like you know they don't really need poking and prodding like biden himself is very he's like a self-described like proud zionist which is kind of like an outdated term. Yeah, I mean, I feel like there's... If you do nothing, if you don't put any pressure on Netanyahu, if you don't

put any pressure on Israel, then for sure they're just going to try to just drive them out of that room. I saw an Israeli rap video today. It was like a lady Israeli rapper, and she's talking about like blowing up palestinian houses she's like i blew up your house for free that was one of the that was one of the rap lyrics i'm sure it rhymes she was being real mean about it yeah all that

propaganda is not helping them like them doing like fun selfies in palestinians homes and stuff it's just man it's like they're running back home though it does and and and right now like the overwhelming majority of israelis support the war effort in in gaza right now but as far as the rest of the world the only winning move is not to play in issues like this and this is there it's it's losses around the board who knows if it's even possible to not play given how embroiled our politicians are being funded by people who have vested interests in different countries. But it's not good for us as people. I think the best move is not to play because you're still going to lose. You're going to lose Sheldon A. Dixon, for example. But it is probably the best move.

For American people, it's the best move. For a politician trying to get elected, they're going to do the behest of whatever the pet project of their biggest donors are. That's why you need managed democracy. You vote, but then an algorithm interprets your vote and the outcomes that you would like. And when it throws that away, now we're getting into the gold.

In Zuckerberg, we trust. Let's go back to Kings. I'm okay with Kings. Which family? I think a slight majority of Americans still support aid to Israel right now. It's not so cut and dry. Obviously, there's a

huge chunk, especially of young Democratic voters that are obviously very much against this war or against aid. I don't know. What Biden is currently is currently doing we're like now i guess he's like leaking to the press that he's considering conditioning aid on certain things which would i think would be a step in the right direction but i don't know if he can ever get back the yeah they're not going to change the topic yes i don't know how to change the topic, how to get people talking about what you want, but if this was about Dobbs

and this was about Trump's rape cases and other criminal cases, then that helps Biden. For this to be about Israel, it's not the win that he needs. It's just like the Israel thing is the biggest thing happening in the world right now. Trump would solve it like that.

He will say he does. Day one, he'll fix it. He has a plan. I'm not telling it day one he'll fix it he has a plan i'm not telling you but i'll fix it in one day like i don't understand because then you wouldn't hire me like i don't i don't think it would it's gonna hurt biden that much in the long run if he ends up running like the whole israel thing because it's like trump is just as pro-israel as probably more so if if possibly or at least the same amount like so it doesn't play he personally beeps with um netanyahu like him and net yahoo are no they're like they don't they're no longer best pals but trump was asked recently what would you do in israel and he has he just simply said well they need to finish the job like he he would definitely would not be

pushing for humanitarian aid he would just tell netanyahu like god's those euros we're not going to even rhetorically oppose you for doing that so yeah gotta get out of there yeah i think that uh the big problem is like especially up there in the rust belt um you have a lot of arab voters and muslim voters um you know we've got friends who are who are up there who are up there in detroit who are muslims who are who are immigrants and they too and and they do not uh i asked my my buddy i was like what does your dad think what is it what is it what are your uncles think and like oh they don't like biden they hate him that was a good like trump anymore there's a lot if there's one thing that young left-leaning voters or potential voters are really good at doing it's not distinguishing any difference between the the parties like they like republicans

i think you know they get energized and they have some some elections where they don't show up as much but like they understand i think like i actually kind of respect if you're a republican who doesn't like trump you know you might even think he's like somewhat of a threat to democracy but you're just not going to vote for biden you know we're talking about people that have like specific policies in mind and they don't want you know what they look at when they see the democrats they just find it totally unacceptable and with young people you know something like something like the israel stuff happens and they just and there's so much fucking tiktok propaganda and fucking and so then then this narrative gets constructed where it's

like that you know two sides of the same coin biden is basically no different from trump but when you look at the policies they're just like you said Taylor totally different policies like completely different policy there are caverns universes between the parties but young people just they just get convinced like it's all the fucking it's all the fucking man bro it's all the war machine and the

only thing they're seeing on their feed and they see that people who say what they're saying are getting a lot of positive feedback on it and so they want that too I hope he does something neat this time he talked about buying greenland last time that obviously fell through i didn't like that they mocked him for it because i would like to add greenland to the i didn't mock it to the union we could buy any country why not greenland i'd like a vassal of some kind i don't want to buy anything per se i want to take something i'd like to take something we already have tons of vassals. Look at Europe. Dude, I think...

Isn't Haiti kind of free for the taking right now? Well, I'd like it in writing, frankly. That's a fixer-upper, Woody. We don't want that. Really? We don't want Haiti. How much of Ukraine do you think, of Western Ukraine, do you think Zelensky would give us if we say we'll cut off all funding

otherwise? How much could we... That's what I want to do with the money. How about this, Taylor? Would you be okay with the hundreds of millions if we got land in recompense? Like, each, like, at market value. Like, we were literally getting their land in Western Ukraine.

That was ours. Win or lose. What, in, like, it's a 51st state? No, we don't. They'll pay taxes, but we're not helping them out with infrastructure and shit. This is going to be more of a Dominican Republic situation. I don't think we need any of Ukraine. They'll be in the Miss America pageant winning.

I mean, they're a shoe-in, right? Those rods are hot. Okay, they're good at that. They have a lot of hot blondes. That's fair. There has to be a limit to your isolationism. There just has to be, right? blondes that's fair there has to be a limit to your isolationism there just has to be right like at what threshold would it require like how like a hit like let's say hitler 2.0 shows up and

it's like if we don't do anything we're talking global one one world order whatever you know like well i mean like if we're being attacked then yeah we have to rebuff it but if we're being attacked, then, yeah, we have to rebuff it. But if we are constantly intervening on the behalf of foreign nations and prioritizing their well-being seemingly over that of our own people, like, yeah, that's wrong. Like we we have way too many issues on the home front to be dilly dallying in Ukraine and Israel. And I think it's a net negative. What issues are not getting done in the states that would be getting done if we weren't sending aid to ukraine well it's hard to say because that money for ukraine could be spent on any other thing we had this discussion last time healthcare is a good example and the money i have is worth more but yeah they went and got a dump truck full of money and sent it over there they just made up some money they printed some money right like what

did that cause what comes out of the defense budget? What I'm saying is... We should have a drastically diminished defense budget. We agree with that. Don't touch my defense budget! No, we should drastically... I know you hate that, Kyle. I know you love American imperialism. Let me say this. Down a point, Taylor.

When the aliens come, and we're so ready that we become one of those sci-fi stories, you'll be thankful for our trillion dollar defense budget. Yeah, Taylor doesn't watch enough sci-fi stories. You'll be thankful for our trillion dollar defense. Yeah, Taylor doesn't watch enough sci-fi stories. We need defense. We need battles. The Russians got the nukes in space now. They got the space nukes.

Space nukes. I just, like, enough is enough of us constantly sticking our fingers in every corner of the world in a way that just drains resources from American taxpayers to the benefit of foreign nations or our own elected officials who are taking paybacks from those foreign officials or corporations. It's so bad for us that I just don't understand why there has to be like, oh, well, what's not getting done here that would be achieved if we had that extra money? Well, inflation will be lower. We wouldn't have gone through a lot of that nonsense we also wouldn't have uh huge issues with our border we could secure that there are there are litany of things we could have better roads we could have more robust school systems we can

you're talking about things in a vacuum though you still need the political will to actually pass these bills and bills so like even if even if we spent we spend no money in ukraine i don't think we would have any better health care i don't think we would have spent less money and that would be beneficial for us um like hundreds of billions of dollars like we like it's not just free it's not even 100 billion and i mean it's i think it's close to 90 billion right now in ukraine but there's more aid package that's being proposed yeah so it'll be well over that soon and so it's like not it's not good for us and it's not like oh this money is just going to be thrown in a fire pit if we don't give it to a foreign country like no we we could just not print it we could just not spend it i understand that stuff i i i feel like it's a great

deal for us i see russia as a geopolitical adversary. I think that they are trying... Look, I also think that the whole thing's probably NATO's fault and our fault. We agreed with them years ago that we wouldn't put those bases and those missiles there, and we keep doing it. We keep pushing their shit. We had a meltdown with the Cuban Missile Crisis, and it was tit for tat there, too, and we never talked about it. That is a side, though, because we are where we are. So i i'm all for the ukraine thing i like giving them all the fancy missiles and stuff i don't want i you know i i'm sure there's gonna be some spillage as they say somebody's going to cash some checks they shouldn't but that's just that's how war and business and and shit works there's gonna we do get into a war

i think that seeing our weapons used in uk Ukraine will inform how we can make them better. We're learning. This is so invaluable to us, I feel like, to our intelligence apparatus and to our military apparatus and to our military industrial complex. We're learning in real time what it's like to fuel a modern 21st century war so that, so that our production systems can, can be ready if we need to fight the same war in a decade from now. Run a war game. Don't spend a hundred billion dollars on it. You can't game for,

for, for what the adversary is going to do. Remember how like every step of the way we were surprised by how this war turned out, how the, the man pad systems, the, the,

the portable rocket systems were suddenly the thing. And it didn't seem like the tactics were working. They couldn't combine arms and they couldn't get air superiority. You can't game for that. This is perfect. It's the real world. And no Americans have died that we know of. Maybe like three.

Three probably died. They looked like Ukrainians. Yeah, they were dressed like them too. And they spoke Ukrainian. And they had some cool goggles on if they died it's hard to uh it's hard to sell to the american people like how it benefits them because oftentimes if we send aid to a country like ukraine there's no like some fucking amazon worker in virginia they don't their life is not different you know so it's so their life is worse so that things are more expensive now i just don't know maybe

he gets a ukrainian mail order right ukraine is expensive now. I just don't know. Maybe he gets a Ukrainian mail order. Ukraine is going pretty into inflation. I don't know if that's like a big thing, but like, but, but if, if you, and I think we talked about this last time,

but if you, if you let someone like Vladimir Putin, if the, if the message that the world sends him in this moment, it's like, if you want to take territory, you can take territory. He's not going to stop.

And there's other forces at play as well. You have to worry about China's ambitions with Taiwan because they're watching what's happening in Ukraine right now. And I guarantee you it's giving them pause. I mean, maybe it's inevitable that there's going to be conflict with Taiwan and China, but maybe it'll happen eventually. If I'm China, I'm looking at this and I'm saying, maybe I can still take it.

But Jesus, we're going to look... First of all, it's going to be a PR disaster. At what cost? It's going to be a PR fucking disaster. People are going to not buy Chinese whatever product just because it says Chinese on it. The world will coalesce behind a cause. Even if that cause is...

They don't like bullies. The world doesn't like bullies and and clearly we've we're not as focused on it ukraine as we were initially but i mean that october 7th thing was pretty big and for some reason it seemed like every news media outlet like really focused on it like like they were told to or maybe they just had you know well it was the most it was the most significant terrorist attack in the country's history so i mean it was gonna make it was gonna make the news for sure um yeah yeah i think the conspiracy theory that the news was told to report on october 7th is about as valid as the one that

kansas city won because they pulled the strings well the joke is that they don't have to be told because like like all those corporations are jewish owned okay okay kanye it's true look kanye says some crazy shit but like he also like stated some facts that should just that are just like there to be facts that's a coincidence kyle that's a coincidence now look away kanye said a yard was three feet can you believe it yeah i mean that's about what a yard is right feet. Can you believe it? Yeah, I mean, that's about what a yard is, right? A little bit of a broken clock effect there. Not exactly. What did they say? If it's black people, it's a

gang. If it's someone else, it's something. He's Chappelle's bit, where he's like, if it's black people, it's a gang. If it's Italians, it's a mob. If it's Jews, it's a coincidence, and don't pay attention to it. Yeah. I didn't believe any of that stuff until I saw them coming out of those sewer If it's Jews, it's a coincidence, and don't pay attention to it. Yeah. I mean, that was a funny bit.

I didn't believe any of that stuff until I saw them coming out of those sewer grates in Brooklyn. When I saw that little fella crawling around, we had Harley on, and Harley's the biggest Jew I know, both in fame and size. Yeah, and I was like, man, what is going on? Why are y'all in the sewers? Why are y'all, like, cosplaying as Ninja Turtles in your square? They wouldn't have invited Harley. He wouldn't fit. Was Master Splinter down there?

Is April O'Neil coming? What were you doing down there? Was it not pretty obvious that they were doing it so they could do worship during COVID stuff? That was the initial story but then it got fact checked that those were in like initial production like seven months prior to the story like they weren't uh i don't know concurrent with covid just imagine walking down the streets of new york and you see an orthodox jew just crawling out of it you just look at that and

you'd be like i'm I allowed to see this? I would warn him. I'm like, sir, what are you thinking? Someone could see you. It's like if you saw a Dracula walking down the street. Yeah. You're like, they're real. Dude, a year and a half ago, someone said there are Jews under my apartment.

You'd be like, get out of here. He's like, ha ha. It's true. They were under there singing and dancing and smashing glasses at 1 a.m. They should stay away from stereotypes. All the races do. All the races do. You know every white person's like,

I love hot sauce and seasoning on my food. I love it. Cajun, mmm. Lots of hot sauce and seasoning for me. They don't want anybody to think they're the, no mayonnaise for me. That stuff's gross when black people are around. Meanwhile, when want anybody to think they're the... No mayonnaise for me. That stuff's gross when black people are around. Meanwhile, when they're gone,

they're scooping on that dude's... We know we love that shit. There's a bit on Curb Your Enthusiasm. Larry's black friend's afraid to eat watermelon around white people. He's like, watermelon's delicious. I know it's fucking delicious. I can't eat the shit in front of white

people, though. They'll see. And he, like, he, like, bigs him up. He's like, you can do it. You can do it. And, like, so he gets the balls, and they're sitting around him, and two other black guys are sitting at Larry's dinner table, just eating the shit out of some watermelon. Coincidentally, Larry

meets a black girl who's, like, perfect for Leon, and when she walks in to be introduced there's just three black dudes they're wearing like overalls with no shirts eating the shit out of some watermelon and she just like turns around 180 degrees and leaves it's great so all i'm saying is if you're jewish don't be crawling in the sewers bro or at least hide them sideburns he is gigantic gigantic in real life. Have you met him in real life? I've met him in real life, and Harley's a terrible guy to take pictures with.

Oh, man. You're tall, too. That's a little stolen valor. I think he's taller than me. I think he's a big boy. What are you, like 6'4"? 6'3". 6'3"? Yeah, Harley's like 6'5", 6'6".

He's a big dude. And he's wearing boots sometimes. That's hilarious. When i met sam hyde like big old boots and he'll like he'll straight up tell you he's like yeah i'm i'm like i'm trans six seven i'm already six five and i wear lifts so he's just enormous and it's like damn this is a good move have you seen some of the he's doing this like i went down to like a sam hide rabbit hole like a couple weeks ago i didn't really know much about him i'm like man this is this is dark but like um he's doing this like reality show thing have you seen any

of the clips from this yeah fish tank yeah dude it is so it is participants come on it is so bizarre like so like surreal yeah it like it watching it and i've said this before like you always asked yourself like why do they use like commercial actors and aspiring actors on reality shows in the jersey shore like these are all people who want to act like and then you see fish tank and it's like oh that's why because you put like genuine weirdos in there and they get fucking weird because they're not aspiring to be a you know a tylenol spokesperson afterward and they're being harassed like i've said before the psychic hell that would be being in the fish tank house i couldn't handle it the constant speeches where they're just ripping on you. Are any of them smart? Like any of the fish?

I could be calling fish. Yeah, the fish. Some of them, I think, none are like stand out really smart or anything. They probably get. You'd be the smartest guy in the house, right? Do you think that would help you at all? I mean, he did make them do an IQ test test and then they had to line up by their results. Right.

Yeah. Who was top IQ? Like 135 or something? Yeah. That girl with the dark hair, she was like 135. And then the lowest was one of the freeloaders, Dunye. And it was like 82. Yeah.

Like it was. Yeah. It was real low. Did that score vibe with like sync up with what you expected yeah yeah somewhat i mean the japanese guy was lower than i thought he would be and i think like maybe language barrier might have have you ever heard a bit of a thing have you ever seen that video where they put like five or six people together and they all sort of introduce each other to themselves and have a conversation quickly about what their jobs are and their lives or whatever. And then they have one of them, this one girl, arrange them all in an order of IQ.

Like she has to, including herself. Have you seen that? No. There's a show that does that. I know the one you're talking about, but I've also seen like seven more where they get different participants. She's obnoxious. She's like, well, I'm like this and that, and I do this, and I

got this degree and this job. She's academically successful. She claimed to be. I think she put herself at the front. But they start working from first to last. They're like, all right, here are the results. This dude that she didn't think much of,

smartest guy in the fucking room. Slide him right up there to the fucking pole position. Yeah. Number two there, that's him. She was talking shit on number two. Looks a little awkward with the jeans there. Who did the ranking? Four?

Four, I think, is the one who thought highly of herself. Yeah. The sixth guy was just a janitor. She's ballsy. ranking four four i think is the one who thought highly of herself yeah yeah that's the the sixth guy was just she's ballsy these videos are fascinating personality wise she was the most outgoing and willing to talk to cam to the camera and stuff and everyone else was kind of shy and just a participant while she was a leadership but she didn't do well on the test not at all ship but she didn't do well on the test not at all i would have put asian guy on the far left number one i would have too i would have too um this isn't is this the real one or this is this is her guess i'd have got an asian guy um this is the actual score i'd have gone asian guy white guy

then black girl um and then um um probably that that weird individual that's like dressed like my little pony or some shit um he's a real wild card i don't know what that what's going on there um and then i'd put the two women behind it doesn't matter what order yeah so this is this is the real rating yeah that's the true rating yeah it turned out the rating okay yeah i thought you said the pudgy guy was first so i thought this was the yeah i would have ranked six four and three really high and i would have been pretty bad at this game so this is like a difficult game and three oh no look at that yeah that's what number four said.

So Kyle and I would have been right. Asian guy. Yeah, she was the furthest. That's weird that the picture didn't support that. Oh, and she was the last. Yeah, I don't know what that picture was then. Yeah, fuck that picture. Anyway, like...

The previous photo was number four's self-assessment, I believe. Yeah, I thought it was self-read. Have you guys taken one of these like online IQ tests? I have. They so overrank you. Like I've got 157 and shit like that before. I'm not, I'm not Einstein.

They told me I was on the same level as Copernicus. And I was like, okay, I think you're trying to get me on an email list, sir. Well, I think I will subscribe to Copernicus.net. Let's's go an easy way to tell if it's a real iq test is are you at like a testing like are you taking a real iq test where you have to like look at

patterns and arrange things with your hands or any of these like they begin and start a timer like and it depends like what tests are they taking like there's a lot of or there's a couple i'm sure there's a specific one if you want to be in mensa so i would go with that one the one if there's an organization for geniuses by geniuses then i would trust their no mensa is anyone intelligent enough to have like a mensa score iq is not dumb enough to fall for a subscription program to pay to be in a stupid club like that's not true people like people like being having a little acumen like like you've seen the backs of cars right you've seen those stickers people put on you're right i guess there's a little

they're so proud they walked a half marathon or something in their twitter profile they had mensa member i was like oh that's embarrassing okay yeah that's nothing compared to my twitter profile meanwhile i'm trying still trying to get 100 on a u.s geography quiz which i did for the first time this last week it's a very big moment for me i've seen that on a girl's tinder before like like mensa member the u.s geography test no no i'm kidding could you guys get 100 on a girl's Tinder before, like Mensa member. The U.S. geography test? No, Mensa. No, I'm kidding. Could you guys get 100% on a U.S. geography test? I think they could do better than 50.

How does it work? It's a Sporkle quiz? Here, I'll put it in the chat. I'll say this. If I have to label the states with no assistance, then I get a little fucked up in the Northeast about Connecticut and Delaware. And I think Vermont.

Woody told me something a while back that was supposed to be this little. Vermont has a V shaped like a V. V is up top by Maine. Here, do that test right now. Is Vermont in New Hampshire? Vermont shaped like a V. I'm going to embarrass myself. Let's see.

Oh, you just named the state straight up? Yeah, you just hit play and then you just click on the thing when it says Alaska. Continue without supporting. Yes. Continue without supporting. I've been trying to do this for literally five years and I finally fucking got it this last week.

Math would fuck me on the IQ test as well. Nevada, Utah, Kansas, Colorado, Nebraska, South Carolina, Wyoming, Minnesota, Michigan, Iowa. No, um about a utah kansas colorado nebraska south of the north of wyoming i struggled with idaho no i've been to idaho so i know that one i've been to so i've traveled the entire coast um i just haven't been up north to that rust belt so i don't know i've got a grip on the southwest and the west coast and like i said it's just when I get to Vermont and Delaware, but now with Woody's help that Vermont is the one shaped like a V,

then that one's Delaware and that's Connecticut. There's Rhode Island. And okay. You're just crushing it. I was getting like 60%. I was like, I was literally getting scoring better on European math quizzes, Pennsylvania, New York, West Virginia, Virginia, North Carolina, South Carolina. 60 i was like i was literally getting scoring better on european math quizzes pennsylvania new york west virginia virginia north carolina south carolina yeah i know i might be a little are you taking it i'm taking it because i thought i knew him and i'm getting some wrong

let me guess what you got wrong you got maryland wrong no i'm from jersey i'll know that damn okay i'm taking it now louisiana no that one's easy because it's nell it's the flyover states like the wisconsin iowa indiana area is all blur to me yeah missouri missouri's like right in the middle that's how i like i remember that one i remember it by living here yeah i think i know missouri oh are you in missouri are you yeah i'm in st louis all right 100 nice there you go okay well fuck me right um i'm i i like geography don't you travel a lot for your job though or do you not no no not really like i i used to but like not too much. And he like COVID shut that down. But yeah, the States, I'm always being from the Midwest definitely gives you a leg up in like

a States quiz because like, imagine if you're from California or the East coast, you're like Iowa, Nebraska, the Dakotas, Indiana, like which ones, whereas like, I know all those down pat. And then the northeast is not that complicated it's like what are you going to possibly mix up like Rhode Island and Delaware are the only ones and if you just know that Delaware south of Rhode Island easy Rhode Island's the smallest one right yeah it's the littlest one I got 90 and Maryland is the one that looks the goofiest what'd you get wrong um wisconsin iowa indiana new mexico and mississippi new mexico that's just uh i think i um i thought yeah i switch it with arizona that's what happened

yeah i honestly i was i had to sit there for a second one on that one and be like i've fucking was there recently like a couple months ago i stood in all four of those states at the same time and i still fucked it up yeah i just remembered it because i want to share my results sedona arizona was like toward the end of my trip but like new mexico was kind of mid-trip i just i had to literally remember um new mexico is surprisingly beautiful um like where i went where i went i don't know where you got visited but i went i went through the ugly part with the poverty and uh and the open spaces where you can blow shit up in and where the survivalists live out there in those out there in the deserts where

it flash floods and you get you get marooned 20 miles out into bureau of land management property for for half a day. It is a wasteland. It's what I imagine like a planet you wouldn't want to land. If we were flying through the galaxy and we saw a planet that just looked like New Mexico, we'd keep going. I was in New Mexico, and like Kyle said, there were hundreds of miles of poverty with hardly a break. And what shocked me, every road seems to be practically paved with broken glass these guys throw bottles out of their car like it's their job i was like what the fuck is this

new mexico median those are those are shattered vials household income is fifty one thousand dollars i'm not i'm not here to rip on their their household income what i'm gonna tell you is the people i saw weren't just poor they were like the in star wars you know sometimes you'll see the sand people and they're like living in like little like sheds we drove past people who were living in houses made out of van tops now for those of you don't know in the 80s conversion vans were the hip thing you take a regular ped regular pedo van, cut the top off of it, literally with a saw, and then replace it with this big high-rise fiberglass deal that gave you more headroom, and then you'd pimp the fucking thing out. This is right before SUVs happened.

They'd have all these van tops, these big pieces of sheet metal with nothing to do with them. People would use them. They were living in houses made of those when we drove past my jaw dropped when i saw that i was like i didn't know we had that that in this country it looked like haiti yeah the places i saw that like they're just corrugated roofs i'm like this has all the construction prowess of a tree my dad probably made that one my um my uncle is like one of those people. He lives, he like built his own home in New Mexico.

It's on a plot of land where like the nearest neighbor's 20, 20 minutes away. Like his home floor was like clay. It was like clay. But he's a bit like Frank Herbert. He's like a libertarian type. He thinks that private citizens should be able to own nuclear weapons he's like that kind of a a lot of those guys in new mexico are similar leanings the scarier gun guys i know live out there um i don't mean scary like militia those

guys live around west virginia and and ohio like up in there but the more the survivalist type um who are like prepared for whatever those guys love new mexico i'm sure for some reason i don't i don't know what strategic value that area has but they found some there it was a huge culture shock when i went to visit them because my fan i have family out there and they they live in this one town and the town that we visited was beautiful there were there were there was lush and green and um but the town itself had i think literally um like 200 people that lived in it uh i think like the senior class that was graduating that year had i think seven people in it um itty bitty so it was like a huge culture

shock obviously coming from suburbs of california visiting there but it was astonishingly pretty the place that I went to, I liked the most beautiful place in the U S I've seen is Sedona, Arizona. I think, um, it's very beautiful there. They had that, they have red rock rock formations there. And there's a little bit, little tourist town. You have to sort of drive round and round descending into a Canyon to get there, which was fun in its own right motorcycling there would be challenging um it but but fun um and then once you get there it it was one of the better tourist trap towns i've ever been to they had a real cowboy on one side of the street i mean like a man with a six

shooter that was real because we talked to him and like like he was not a halloween cowboy he looked legit and the other side they had a real fucking indian they had a real fucking yeah there it is that's cool at any with a head with the headdress and the feathers and everything and they would kind of mean mug each other when they love their pop they like caught each other's eye across the street and have a little showdown for a second kind of play it up and then keep going have you ever been to yosemite uh no i i did not i'm pretty biased i'm pretty biased but california has a lot of really beautiful like big sir is another like coastal city that's beautiful but yosemite is astonishing like astonishing what i did see that

was pretty mind-blowing i i do you want to do you have a i was going to ask if you had been to mount st helens like where i think there's a national thing there a park there or something now but have you ever seen the lava fields uh no i don't know why they're i hadn't i didn't know they existed i knew that mount st helens happened big eruption i thought big big boom or whatever that's in the bay area right mount st no no it was more dusty i didn't realize there were lava fields lava fields it looks like it like black rolling lava fields as far as you can see and just out there you can go and grab lava rocks wait where was this um it's up in the northwest uh okay was it washington i think i i say i drove from seattle like down the um the coast

i may have been there it's in washington yeah near portland like mars almost right i stole a lot of the rocks i stole a lot of them not me i was on a motorcycle yeah i had a truck i i feel i you don't load up a bike it's like you're hiking you know i stole a lot of rocks really that's terrible well they were like lava rocks. It was cool. Oh, yeah. No, they're cool. I guess I was just saying weight matters more on a bike. Oh, yeah.

They were also porous, too. So it's like, that was one of the things I got at home. I was like, check out that rock. And people would pick it up and be super light. Somebody stole them. Somebody stole my goddamn lava rocks. I brought home a rock for Jackie Collin and Hope from Death Valley. Like, these are Death Valley rocks.

Aren't they cool? Okay. I tried to fix it. to no i like that remember in saving private ryan tom hanks had a little bottle of sand from every beach or maybe it was uh maybe it was one of his underlings but he had he collected a little little bottle of earth from each battlefield yeah and the label that did that or it was one of the underlings yeah one of the maybe uh yeah um i thought that was fucking neat, though. Maybe Sardinia was on there. Tons of battles. He'd been to every front.

You were talking about your favorite tourist trap town, Oatman, Arizona. Zach, there's a link if you could show some pictures. Dude, you talk about cowboys, there's donkeys just walking up and down the street. Burros? Burros. I guess so.

And the whole town is designed like, yeah, that's what it looks like for real. And I just like, I guess I'll just park next to the donkeys. And I park my bike and went walking around. This place is dope. Movie set, right? It looks like a movie set. It could be a movie set. There's a restaurant in there. That restaurant that's fun i like this they have

dollars on the walls i can hardly estimate how many dollars there must have been 75 000 in singles just wallpapering this restaurant some of them like two three dollars deep and they ran out of wall space so now they're doing ceilings they're doing like unused places you walk it is so many one dollar bills and you're like that's a comedy movie in it that writes itself right like robbing that place yeah that would be such a funny movie instead of like normal burglar tools they have those you don't understand it's literally just sitting there. They wildly overestimate it. It's got to be a million dollars. Clearly not.

You come back with 30 grand. I like those tourist trappy towns. Myrtle Beach is pretty bad, but Myrtle Beach is nasty. It's a little much. You've never been to Myrtle Beach? I've been to Myrtle Beach. I liked it.

You ever been on Bike Week? No, i don't think i'd like bike week you've never seen so many genital piercings in your life oh i wouldn't like that don't want to be forced to see that yeah not on main street anyway do you guys get uh i guess do you guys get tornadoes any of you yes yeah probably not you do like it's like tornadoes? Any of you? Yes. Yeah. Probably not. You do like, it's like tornado season now. Like hopefully you couldn't hear it in the beginning of this episode. It was like whipping and we're getting a bunch of hail and tornadoes. I think it's probably almost over now. But,

uh, last night I was sleeping. It was probably like two 33 in the morning. And I'm like awoken by the tornado sirens. Like if you live in an area with tornadoes, like they just hear like the whoop, like they just start going real loud. And like,

I could hear like, like, you know, when the wind is going so hard, it sounds like trees are almost cracking, like just so loud right outside my, my window. And I like woke up like almost in a stupor and was like,

and like, I know in my head, it's like, I've lived in the Midwest my whole life. It's like, all right, when the alarm's going off like this and there's clearly a lot of violent wind and whatnot going down, you're supposed to go down in your basement. And I was so tired, though. I just had the thought just viscerally. I was like, if I die, I die.

I just stayed tucked in like Homer Simpson under those covers. Just so comfortable. And it panned out. Not dead. That's how I handled fire alarms. A couple of trees are down. Yeah, there was a bunch of hail. We didn't get hail like that in my neck of the woods, but we did get some hail.

Before I bought this house, like just pretty much destroyed my stable like it ripped the roof off and stuff and chis and i fixed it went out there and i don't know reframe the roof and put all the freaking plywood down and whatever yeah the tornado like during like tornado weather it's so cool when it's not stormy because like the sky is like greenish and it's just like an eerie kind of aura around. But then, you know, you don't actually want a tornado to touch down. How big is the risk? So you live in a populated area. Does that lower the tornado risk?

Does it change the way they develop? The people who are highest at risk are people in big flat areas and i live in a hillier area and so like it's not actually like there's not going to be a touchdown near me so if there was a well like thousand house subdivision but it was flat that'd be a problem it could be yeah yeah like that's like that's what happened to uh to joplin missouri like 10 years ago when that whole town got flattened because it's just a bunch of fields surrounding a totally flat town.

Oh, I remember. And so like around where I am, it's like it would be like trees getting knocked down. That's the problem or like big storms. But hopefully... In the south, mobile homes, like so many people are in mobile homes that if a tornado hits a mobile home, you die.

Oh, yeah. People people like they're made of nothing um they're just sheet metal and fiberboard like it they literally explode there's no basement there's nowhere worse to be than a mobile home with the tornado hits they're not even sitting on the ground they're sitting on blocks once you blow that vinyl siding off the bottom it's like you're borderline better going in your yard and laying down flat than staying in a mobile home yeah i'm i'm like as a californian with no as flat as you can lay at that size tornadoes to me are horrifying but then when i talk to people that live in other places like they seem to be horrified of um earthquakes so it's kind of like yeah reverser like yeah i've never had an earthquake experience we had like one tiny

one and people were like oh my god it's funny the la transplants like because you'll see anytime there's a miniature earthquake you'll see like streamers that are in la reacting and i saw one recently it was like such a tiny little earthquake it was nothing but she got him she's like earthquake earthquake she like ran out of the other room. Are you guys irrationally afraid of earthquakes or did you just not give a fuck? No, I desperately want to experience one. That's where I am. We're on a big fault line in the middle of the country here.

If we get one, it's going to be a rough end. Hopefully, that won't happen. I've been in two. One was in LA when I was visiting. I slept through both of them i woke up and people were like do you feel that last night everybody everybody like the place i'm going is always could you feel it oh yeah i felt i think they're all lying i think one guy made it up

like the weatherman tell the tall tale i don't think any of them felt it because i sleep right through that shit what the bed jostled a little that's supposed to wake me and i'm supposed to identify it please i could have woken and forgotten it i got to experience the big one in the bay area in 1989 it was like a 6.7 it did a tremendous amount of damage it was crazy too when they pancake those people yeah oh yeah bridges right bay bridge that was nuts but you know what was even crazier was you know who was playing in the fucking World Series that year? Oh. No.

It was the A's versus the Giants. It was the Battle of the Bay. And it was Giants. And during a game, this giant earthquake took place. So it was just crazy timing. Damn. What happened to the game? They stopped it then, and then they picked it up.

They all react. It's great. It was a bad. It was bad. It was a bad earthquake. Yeah, like Kyle, I've slept through an earthquake i didn't even know about and then one time i was at work and people are like did you feel the earthquake and it's like i didn't feel it i was in a room with other people nobody mentioned it like it was minor

yeah it's nonsense yeah that was crazy it's impressive you can build buildings to resist that like i know every building in japan is like so specially built because they anticipate they get wild earthquakes all the time yeah oh dude it was nuts um there was a need there was a one of the worst earthquake earthquakes ever i think was in san franc San Francisco at the turn of the century. And it burned the entire city down. It was horrifying. It wasn't that bad. Did they repair San Francisco pretty quickly? Do you remember? I know you must have been young.

I was a little boy. I was like six. I don't know. You weren't up to date on the infrastructure repair. You were playing. You might know, though. There was a big fire on... This won't mean a lot to most of you but i-95 is incredibly important um highway and i think in philadelphia i'm one of their major interstates it might have been i-95 burnt down so the bridge was just burnt and uh that just the

whole philadelphia area goes to a standstill. Like they don't, they don't have the infrastructure to move the traffic without that road. And they fixed it in like two weeks. It was amazing. When does road repair take two weeks? You don't understand. It was like, it was not that different than that bridge we just saw.

It collapsed. Yeah. Well, the famous image was a bit on the Bay bridge where there was a column that fell and in 89 and a car just straight up let me see if i can find the footage of that yeah yeah that guy died i don't know it wasn't great yeah he died right really i think i could survive that well not that i'm talking about that other thing he showed where the bridge pancaked onto the the lower but if

you're on the top like it does it fall quickly or if you're on the top, does it fall quickly? Oh, if you're on the top, you're fine. I'm talking about even the bottom. Oh, yeah. On the top, it's like, wee! On the bottom, it's like, no! If you're pushed by the tons of concrete and rebar, yes, you will die. On the bottom, your odds are longer. Unless they are a genetic super soldier bred by the

CCP with Jackie Chan's DNA mixed with that of a nephron. They wouldn't let him be riding around willy-nilly during an earthquake. Barron Trump would hold that shit a nephron. They wouldn't let him be riding around willy nilly during an earthquake. Barron Trump would hold that shit up while everyone ran. They were transporting him from one dark site to another for security purposes. They rotate him every month. Every once in a while I like get into watching either natural

disaster videos or dam failures and they're just the most interesting video like particularly like tsunamis and dam failures. I'll find myself on that YouTube rabbit hole sometimes. And it's like conceptually you understand like, man, that amount of water, that amount of force suddenly bursting through a dam. That's got to create a ton of damage. But like you don't fully get it until you see it.

And it's like giant, like excavator sized, like in a mine, like not normal sized 18 wheeler trucks like they just get tossed like they're nothing nothing at all and the people just tiny little specks it's like it's care that water's carrying rocks bigger than your house like you're you know you know what the ultimate is for you powerful so you do you know about the three gorges dam in china yes i've i've read about the world's largest dam if someone were to say launch a few rockets at it and make it fail do you know how many people are in the direct path of the largest tidal wave of modern history yeah 400 million in the direct path of the tidal wave it's a real problem for china if they got into like a global war with someone who's capable of you know

blowing up a dam from the other side of the world was it sri lanka that had that tsunami that killed like 200 000 people indonesia but it was the whole like area the tsunami was so goddamn big that was 2000 2004 yeah that's the year i graduated i remember our yearbooks had that shit in it it was dark there's a there's a movie called the uh the impossible with ewan mcgregor that where they were they it was a real life family that got affected by that and it's i saw that if there's another huge tidal wave we're gonna get so much great of course it was they made everyone has cameras they made a movie about the indonesian tsunami with a white family star yeah dude the videos like uh some of the clips it's from like the thai tsunami i think maybe the japanese one i don't remember but like you can see people taking like vacation videos

and they're still on the beach and like it's just a small amount coming in and it's like a horror movie you're watching like i you i know what's gonna happen in like two hours and it's just a small amount coming in and it's like a horror movie you're watching like i you i know what's gonna happen in like two hours and it's almost it's like it's almost too late you're watching somebody get dressed to go to the twin towers almost you're like yeah it's like oh no like it's swelling up it's about to come in hard and like even the water pullback is enough to like pull cars across the. If you're not from there, I look at it and I'm like, would I make good decisions?

Obviously, watching the video, in hindsight, I can make good decisions. But if I was there and I didn't know, am I confident I'd recognize a water pullback on some beach I don't normally go to? I would. It's not running because I've seen the movies now. How quickly does it pull back? Does it pull back over the course of 40 minutes? No, no, no. Right now, go to i would i would for these are running because i've seen the movies now how quickly

does it pull back does it pull back over the course of 40 minutes no no no right now the ocean gets eaten like you want you're like whoa what's happening what's happening right now oh that's what happens before a tsunami the ocean just got taken away everyone flee hey everyone flee tsunami and then you run as fast as you can i need to see it because if it happens like you say and in like five minutes the oceans pull back like that or less i gotta i definitely know but i maybe i'm wrong i thought it took longer i thought it took like 40 minutes for the ocean to withdraw like that no it's pretty fast yeah it's pretty fast to get a little morbid with you would you rather die peacefully in your bed or would you rather die like seeing a fucking enormous comet coming to hit the earth comet oh oh yeah oh okay a thousand

times the other one i'm with you a thousand times the other one let me tell you why all right so i'm gonna make up a scenario you can co-sign it if you want but the scenario is like you know the asteroids coming and it's gonna like knock humanity out if three months to go i would love that that's so much better than dying peacefully in my sleep i get three months of like craziness doing whatever the fuck i want i get i and i get to see the coolest fireworks show of all time i'm not going to be try to be one of the privileged few to starve in the bunkers and in the greenland tunnels i'm i'm gonna get on a high mountain somewhere and i'm gonna fucking watch that shit go down i'm gonna be drunk and high and get my dick sucked

it's gonna be great all right that's something like that would be incredible so like i don't know i think this might work out because i'd like to be on a mountain sucking dick when it happens i knew that was your greatest wish. There's a really good movie called Seeking a Friend for the End of the World with Steve Carell, where humanity knows that a comet's coming in like three weeks, and it just kind of examines what different people do. And it's really fucking, they go to a restaurant, and everybody there is just tripping on fucking Molly. Loud music, just that fucking applebee's

everyone with their credit cards that would i mean i would much rather die peace oh the economy would immediately crash and then there would be mass hysteria if if they found out that's what would actually happen there would be mass hysteria because all there would be a run on the banks because the all of a sudden there would be rapid rapid hyperinflation not like oh bread's expensive this week. Like, I don't have any money anymore because money's not worth anything. Why would there be a run on the banks? Because wouldn't money instantly become valueless?

Because right away the banks would be free. There would be a run on Walmart and Walgreens. Because to try to preempt what is inevitable, the governments would try to freeze the money in the banks. And it would get out that they were going to freeze that money. So people would say, they're not freezing my money. I'm going to go get it. And then there would be a run on the banks. And they would still to freeze the money in the banks and it would get out that they were going to freeze that money so people would say they're not freezing my money I'm going to go get it and then it would be a run on the banks and they would still freeze all the money and then the economy would crash anyway would the government even be functioning at that point?

no you would have military outposts it would be complete mass hysteria everyone would melt down who was the government fighting it would just be the populace at large and what are they fighting for? bread and TVs, probably. And how long are those military men going to be following orders? Nobody's getting

paid. It's that episode of Rick and Morty. It's that episode of Rick and Morty where he changes a one to a zero. That's what happens when the world ends in three weeks. I do think there'd be a ton of service members that would show up and volunteer to keep order. No, they got family initially

they got families yeah and some of them are all like strong family ties you don't think that there would be people that would like be now's my moment you know i'm gonna do the right thing like i swear no or people who would see an opportunity to be like yeah i can be a very brief window warlord no you'd have like splintered groups of everybody's going home to their families and then they're going to do what they have to do to keep their families alive and well-fed and safe which means killing each other so it's just going to be a shit show there's not going to be a like like some military position where it's like yeah sir for king and for for for the commander in chief and our no red white and blue it's like the whole world's going to explode in three weeks you

know you're going to go to your mom do you think that did you guys see the movie greenland by the way it kind of like uh no but i saw the end of that movie uh with brad pitt with the zombies where they i think they also went to greenland is that greenland is that greenland is phenomenal yeah it it no that movie is fucking really good because they try to make it super realistic like He gets a push notification on his phone. He's like, I don't know why I was picked. And then they got to... Anyways, it's a really good movie.

The last Hutch movie recommendation, I couldn't have disliked more. Which one? It was such a miss for me. I'm going to get the title close. Like, Everybody, Everywhere, All at Once. Get out of here. That's a fucking Academy Award winning

best movie of that year oh my god it was everything in between you two i was entertained the whole time but afterward i wasn't like blown away i was like oh that kept my attention it was wonderful all right i wasn't blown but you liked it too yeah not as much as at the time hutch said it might have been the best movie he's ever experienced in his life i still believe that okay yeah more than lord of the rings anyway yeah i thought oh i'm sorry kyle gay i just thank you sandra that's the other one with a really flat face from uh the doctor show um i liked it a lot it kind of lost me a little at the end because the chubby daughter character kept like transitioning from like one thing to another.

I don't know. Something about her performance sort of paled in comparison to the other actress's performance. And I just felt like she was out-acted and not right for that role or something. Single-handedly rebooted What's-His-Name's career. For sure. Such a crazy story, too,

because he saw Crazy Rich Asians and he called. He's like, you know what? he saw crazy rich asians and he called he's like you know what because he had been like directing theater and he called up his agent he was like you know what i want to like there looks like there might be some like asian representation in hollywood going on here so let me see if i can get back out there and two weeks later he got an audition for that movie got the role and then got a fucking oscar for it and now he's good for him i thought he was good in that role i thought yeah i loved him as indiana jones fucking sidekick i like him yeah i hope you don't mind asking i was hoping to get it before the show have you done molly i have lots yeah

i was hoping you'd say that i've never done molly but i started looking into it and they described it in a way that really turned me off it was like you take the next three days joy and you get it in three hours and that the next three days it's a real down and not a good vibe no i don't agree i mean like so the thing with molly like a lot of amphetamine stuff is you you know there's when you're high you don't want to come down so like if you've ever tried coke or you know like it's like coming down you don't you don't want to so and so some people when they take molly they'll do this thing called like re-upping so like some people will take like they'll take one pill or two press pills and then two hours later they'll take like a half a pill and it's like they treat it like a booster yeah and at that point it's like really diminishing

returns there's really no point in doing that like less is more when it comes to molly in my opinion but if you take like one pill and you know you don't like you eat right you know drink enough water um try to take care of your body like as much as you can you're not gonna i don't think you're gonna have like a three-day crash i think that's wildly exaggerated molly okay i got it from a guy I went to college with. I could text him. Hey, I haven't talked to you in 16 years. Could you mail me some Molly? Yeah, I'll mail you some Molly.

Hey, hey, hey. Kyle Myers? We want to keep this on the down low. On the PO box. No problem. You can find Molly. I have a couple friends in my motorcycle and paramotor world who I think know how to find everything. i i could ask i bet i'd find a source it was originally developed i believe i could be wrong i was originally developed for marriage counseling

so like couples that were having problems would come in and then roll their face off. And it's a really kind of unique experience because you're not like, the body high is not, it's not, you know, like if you take acid, if you smoke weed, there's like a physical component to it. But with Molly, it's like, it's literally, it's literally, you're just really fucking happy. You know what you need to do? All jokes aside, not even kidding,

you and Jack need to go to a Taylor Swift concert and take Molly. I'm sure you would have a great time. Me and fields of 13-year-old girls. I've only done it at concerts. You like T-Swift? Hey, Travis will be there. Wear your Travis jersey and nobody will think twice. You'll welcome you in as one of them

and then they'll see your eyes then and they'll know guys skrillex in 2009 on molly was wild oh so you've tried it taylor yeah yeah a couple times in college but okay can i get every second opinion on the crash afterwards did you find it not to be as terrible as i read no i i mean i didn't feel great the next day but like it wasn't like i think and you know i was like 1920 so it's been a good while ago now but i remember like alcohol hangovers being worse like you get fucking hammered on some cheap college vodka that someone probably stole like that next day is worse than when i took molly but i also wasn't i never did what hutch is describing there like my buddy who had it would just be like all right everybody here's your molly and then you went

to the concert and it's not like we were re-upping taking more there it's like that was we smoked weed at the concert and like that kind of you know melded out a little bit. Hangover is almost like sickness. And I didn't hear anything about much sickness. It was, no, Molly is joy. No, not like that.

Post Molly is the opposite of joy. What? Like depression is a different kind of loaded for sadness. It's better. Yeah. I think that's, I think that's almost like memed up where people are like, Oh,

you know that Molly, like it's going to wreck you for the next day. And it's like, maybe if you're taking, maybe, maybe you do a shit ton of it the same way that like yeah doing taking two having two beers versus having 22 beers yeah like it's the same substance but one morning is gonna be way worse than the other definitely yeah edc 2015 i did i took an absurd amount of molly and like that for sure that for sure like the next week i was like my body was not okay um your body was not okay so you weren't just like because it fucked with my appetite and it fucked with my sleep and then you know once then then

it's like a cascade effect so now there's like three different things fucking with your body it didn't stand a chance against me if i could do any illegal drug i would the first illegal drug i would start with is that wild west opium i want to smoke it out of that chinaman pipe you know you go in those tents out behind the saloon where you kept them and then he'd hand you that long pipe and he'd have like a lady suck your dick that long smoky toke i want to toke on that thing and just get ripped i don't know where you get that old school west wild west opium but i would love some if it were legal what the fuck you talking about you know like you smoking an opium desk literally like what sherlock holmes

did smoking straight up opium out of one of those but i want it to be from a wild west like chinese immigrant who's like got it out behind the saloon in a tent. That's such a bad drug to get into. Opium. I would love that. If not that, then lean. I really want to try lean. Juice World. Is that where they mix two things? Yeah, he had one glass and he died.

That's where you mix. His name is Juice World. Yeah, and like Skittles or something. It's like cough syrup. It something? I don't know. It's like cough syrup. It's like codeine cough syrup. Yeah, so what you're doing is all the other ingredients don't matter. The main ingredient is codeine cough syrup, which in most states they add an additive to to make it taste like shit.

But when I got it, it tasted delicious. It basically tastes like flavored syrup that you would you know you get those uh in the summer you get those ice cones and then they pump the syrup on top yeah yeah that's what it tastes like deliciousness strawberry deliciousness i would od on that i had that my throat was bleeding it was so bad so like a sip of that was like manna from the gods it was like instant opium going into my wounds like in my throat and it was it's like thick and syrupy and delicious and so i sipped on that fuck it i had a pint i had a pint of that shit so you're i think on the street it was a couple

grand i got twisted on your story your your throat was sore beforehand it was before i was very ill so i was prescribed it that's my experience with this shit. They take that and they add Sprite to thin it out and make it not a syrup. Like a drink you could sip on that's not so potent. And I'm sure maybe the Skittles... Who did this for you? I've never drank lean.

I've been prescribed Coding Cough Syrup and I've just sipped it straight out of the bottle driving down the road. Are you guys familiar with... Have you heard of Justa Minx? She's a creator? She's a streamer? No. out of the bottle driving down the road. Riding down the road. Are you guys familiar with... Have you heard of Justa Minx? She's a creator. She's a streamer. I'm not touched into current culture.

Justa Minx? Look at this that I just put in the chat. That's kind of scary. Fans worried for Justa Minx due to what appears to be an overdosing. This is so sad. Someone please get her help. She's sitting in her chair um wearing like a um a snuggie um she's got a hat on and she's sort of she's just like chin to chest sort of knotted out as they said she's doing the fentanyl thing

yeah do i need volume for this no i'm just saying like she's chatting she's talking we're talking about drugs and yeah she's probably all right that's so mental it's such a dangerous thing to get into like what we don't know what she's on she's just fucking tuckered out from a long day of streaming i actually did that before the show i napped in a chair maybe she's not at all you can i mean you can tell when you're like walking around like when i go to st louis like walking around the city like you can see people and be like oh that guy's on opiates that guy's on like fentanyl like he's doing that that like opiate like fucked up shuffle where like they're taking

like weird disjointed slow little nudging steps your superpower is not identifying fetal alcohol syndrome. I can't tell you what drugs people are open to. I like opiates so much. I even like that they make you itchy. If you've never taken opiates and you don't know, they make you itchy all over.

I have once, and that's the only... When my eardrum was bursting when I was 18, the woman at the urgent care looked in my ear because I'm like, man, my ear hurts. I don't want to go to a doctor. And so I put it off for a while and she like went in there. I was with my girlfriend at the time and my mom and we were at CVS and like that back clinic. And she's like, let's take a look at your ear here. And she like went in to like look and like was visibly alarmed.

She's like, oh, you must be in a great deal of pain and i'm like yeah and then she's like all right well here's fucking eight tylenol or whatever and i was that's not gonna that wasn't cutting it and so i went home and my mom had some like like some percocet from like an old uh stop and percocets i'm a nervous wreck all right and so i took one of those and i like i felt like really, but I also got that itchy feeling. Yeah. And I was like, all right, this is the last of this forever. Is morphine an opiate?

Yes. It's one of the most purest forms of opiates. I had surgery done and they gave me that little thing where you can click it and give yourself. And I remember my skin, it felt like kind of burning, but yeah, itchy. Dude, that thing has never done anything for me. I might be immune to opiates. I'm like, is this a placebo button that they've given me? I don't get it at all.

Have you had morphine? That's the button I'm talking about. Yeah, I've had a lot of surgeries. I do stupid things. Oh, okay. Yeah, I definitely. Yeah, sorry. I've never, I was just going to say,

I've never taken opiates that weren't prescribed to me. But every time they get prescribed to me, I'm gleeful. Like Tylenol 3. There's something called Tylenol 3. I remember I got my wisdom teeth taken out, and he's like, I'm going to give you Tylenol 3. And I'm like, no, I told you. I want real drugs.

I'm a grown man. I don't want Tylenol. He's like, no, no, no, no. Tylenol 3 is half Tylenol and half opiates. And I'm like, well, why didn't you fucking just say so all right let's go and he gave me like seven of them or something these big fucking pills and i i was i was watching them like slowly diminish thinking like man i hated morphine when i had what do i get more i hated it i felt like physically like apparently like the itchiness and that tingling feeling doesn't happen for a lot of people just

some people get it and i am very thankful that was my first and only experience with that kind of drug pill and powder drugs skeeve me out so much i want nothing to do with them i'd rather not take the pill. I'd rather smoke it or I'd rather drink it. But I do want like a chick with nice nails to like scritch on me after I take them. That's the best. If the comet was coming, would you fucking just full send and just do some heroin or what? Oh, yeah. I feel like I want Molly.

If there's no tomorrow, I'd just take too much Molly. I think I would take a lot of, think i'll get on all the drugs i think meth sometimes if you're having fun like if you're if i was doing like i don't know if i decided i wanted to go like do some skydiving or something i'm gonna skydive on meth all right like if i'm gonna do an adventure shit like like like like you know uh if i've got a month to i'm dying a month maybe i knock out a little bucket list and on there there's some sort of adventure sport nonsense i want to do or maybe i just go on some quick vacation to hawaii and while i'm there they're like oh you can do this thing and i'm like there's no way i'm not jumping the ramp over that active volcano sure strap me in so because you

know we're gonna die in a week anyway so i would want to do shit like that on meth i'd want to be like really fucking into our drug for the comet coming is weed zero percent chance i'm smoking weed as the comet is coming down not gonna be chill like when you when you smoke weed you want to already be in a nice space of like relaxation you don't want to be you're gonna be like what if there's hell? Like, oh, fuck. Don't say that. Don't say that. Oh, why did you say that now? It's in my head. What if there is hell? Oh, shit.

We messed up bad boys. We could go real south. Taylor, what can we do? You know God, right? You were baptized. Tell me what to do. I'm going to try and save you at the last minute. You've been washed in the blood of the lamb, right?

Come with me. I'll get you to the last minute. You've been washing the blood of the lamb, right? Come with me. I'll get you to the window. Woody, were you a carpenter? I need an arc, Woody. Fast. Yeah, life would get bananas with a comet announcement. A fireproof arc. But that NASA would do their shit where they're like,

a comet is whizzing by, a's edge from our solar or from our planet. And then you like click on the article. And the ninth paragraph is like a mere 2 trillion miles away, which in the space of space is actually right next door. And it's like, shut up. Fuck you for that. Like that's closer to that.

It's like, they got me like in 2008 where they're like life on Mars discovered. And I'm like, Oh, click on it. And they're like, life on Mars discovered. And I'm like, click on it. And they're like, there could be. This looks like it could have been a shape made by a tarot or whatever. One thing. I feel like you must have gone to school. Because they got me.

There's life on Mars. Everybody know. And somebody was like, no, there's not. Idiot. And everybody laughed. You bring that up every time when you shit on NASA. You're like, they got me that one time in 2008 never again i was because i was excited to see the news and then i felt so foolish when i opened it up and read it was like oh so they fibbed on they fibbed

to me what's your money on for the apocalypse super volcano comment what do you think oh like what do you mean like how humanity ends yeah i don't think we do i think we'll be i think i think we got this you think we're gonna be a multi-planetary species yeah yeah eventually i think we can yeah i think i think we can be in the next 100 years 150 years or something like that at our current pace how are we gonna tear are you talking about terraforming mars no okay no i don't know now terraforming so look yeah that's true if you look at where we were and how how recent the industrial revolution was or even better like if you look we just figured out flight like 120 years ago or something like that and now we're doing crazy shit if we could stay on a similar arc like i

feel like the technology is required to go to another star system seem so far beyond us but then like those people who didn't believe in flight like a space shuttle would be just as far beyond their comprehension as well the only thing that the only thing behind the texture is the only thing that kind of makes sense is the um solar sails because the problem with like traveling to another system is is fuel like the nearest system i think is like 60 000 light years away so as if we can figure out you gotta pick a good one though right when you get there it's gotta work right yeah you ever go out to dinner and the restaurant's closed when you get there but oh wait we we only had exactly enough gas to get here and there's no there's no oxygen

and anymore and they have to live out back yeah now we have to live at Outback. Now we have to live at a run-down Outback steakhouse that's been closed for six months. Your mother doesn't want to use Waze like an adult. There's an interesting moral thing going on here where you have these multi-generational spaceships to go to a planet that might be habitable. So it's a spaceship. You're on it.

You know that you're not getting there, but your grandkids will. But you've signed up your children and your grandchildren for a mission that they didn't consent to. Like this is a life that they might not have. We all do. Yeah.

And there could be a riot. Every human signs their kid, their kid up for a mission that they didn't ask for. And that mission is going to vary. Look, people all over the earth have it hard and are born into scary shit.'s the way of humanity the the way the generational ship should work in my opinion is you've got ai running the whole thing everybody is in vitro they're they're fucking embryos that are going to be bought out like prometheus exactly like prometheus

except there's no human you can't freeze Wait, where's the wisdom come from? From the AI. So the baby just learned from the AI as they grow. Yeah, you'll have AI that teaches the baby. Oh, that's like the HBO. We'll give them the full Netflix catalog.

They're all going to be autistic. The new planet is going to be nothing but train sets as far as the eye can see. Let's not make fun of train sets it's my next hobby i think i pray you did the train and that way you could like maybe get it to work if you if you knew where you were going it was going to work other than that though like i'm not even talking about i feel like traveling so slow is just silly like you've got to figure out another way to go you got to figure out that thing where you fold space and stick that pencil through that piece of paper. You've got to

figure that out. What if we can shrink people and make the earth seem bigger? That's the premise of a movie with... Honey, I Shrunk Kids. I'm familiar. That was an accident. The Matt Damon one. Matt Damon one. Downsizing.

If you think about it, basically, you pay this company and they shrink you down and put you in this tiny little paradise because it's cheap to make a tiny paradise yeah you know what i mean like a little tiny tiny mansions tiny sports car tiny beachfront property and so so you know your money goes a long way if you're tiny in the tiny world i've never seen the movie. I felt like once I knew the premise, I'd seen the movie. You know what I mean? Yeah, there's probably not a lot more to it.

I don't know, though. I haven't seen it. Yeah. And that's the list of movies I have not seen. But yeah, I don't think we're going to another star system until we figure out another way of going. That doesn't involve just like firing up some engines. I don't care if it's plasma or some sort of compressed gas or solar cells if you're not going faster than the speed of light faster than it's also a fun way

faster it's also a funding problem because like how are you gonna how are you gonna summon the political will to like raise funds for like um you know like what woody said where you're sending like a fleet of you know 300 ships to like different systems or whatever that may or may not get there it's like well you know we're spending trillions of dollars on this with like we're not getting anything from no guarantee of a payoff even for the people on the ship you would have had to like that that's again why like if the goal just simply isn't colonization because this planet's going to fail like if you can see the writing on the wall that like if the goal just simply isn't colonization because this planet's going to fail like if you can see the writing on the wall that like look the seas have become acidic the like the algae doesn't process co2 anymore like we're a dead planet like like we'll we'll never completely

go extinct but the idea of supporting more than a million humans not on this rock like if that kind of writing is on the wall then maybe they do that generational to another place with embryos. That seems almost sci-fi, but I know what you mean with like stuff we have right now, seeming like sci-fi a hundred years ago, but like as, as insurmountable as terraforming Mars is like, it seems more insurmountable to find a,

maybe a marginally better Mars, a billion zillion light years away. Well, we're going gonna have the telescopes are gonna get better i i think so like maybe in 100 years we can have like fucking 4k images of yeah you know that system over there and it's like can we even see it accurately they always say like that light from a star is like yeah you'd be saying it's like you're 10 000 years ago or whatever oh this planet rocked an eon ago.

Fingers crossed. Well, that's how it works. You're looking at the light that left that object, however far away it is in light years. So it's a risk no matter what you do. With that James Webb telescope, they can look at planets, and based on the light that's coming off and what color they are, they can detect elements.

Because different elements are illuminated different um wavelengths and they can see that there's planets with co2 and oxygen and water they yeah they can't tell like like what's going on and again it's it has to be more than that right like that's not enough like we act like mars if it just had air would be okay it i don't think it has an core. I don't think it has like that magnetic field that shields it from radiation. I don't think it has like, yeah, we could,

I don't think we could even make, I don't think we could even make the moon. Nice. Create like, like making fun of creation. This is fun, but my God, this place is kind of perfect.

There's a lot of shit going right for this place to work so well for us. Do you guys ever stop and think, you know, I think that there's probably life elsewhere in the universe that's just my opinion do you guys agree with that yeah okay imagine you don't think so people out there yeah there's people out there like us well it could consider like if there is consider how astronomically lucky you got to be born a human being on this plant first of all you could have been born a fly you could have been born you know a lemur which that would be kind of cool you could have been

born like a single cell organism or something like that on any number of infinite planets or whatever but you were born here at arguably the most interesting time in human history you say that of uh you say that but there's some otter people somewhere that live for 450 000 years and because you know what i mean orgasming and because they live because they live that long they're like yeah it's a long trip but we don't get bored partying and fucking doing otter shit let's go your spaceship is just like a brook that runs really they just chilling all the time i think we might be the only thing out there everything else in space looks terrible i looks totally inhospitable vacuum of of nonsense there's

nothing there because there's no sign there's anything there right like the humanity is what 150 years from inventing is it a von neumann machine, von Neumann machine, something close to that? Ah, the self-replicating probes, von Neumann devices. Right, right. You build a probe that can land on some place with the materials to build the next probe. It does that. It self-replicates. Now you've got two, three of them.

They go to another place. They multiply all over the place. It wouldn't take too long, too many hundreds of years, before these things are all over, casting a huge web of communication and just exploration. Yet it's not there. So what? We're alone. That's it.

We're going to have that existing. Come on. You know the answer to that one is easily the dark forest, right? You love three body problem. You know it's the dark forest. By the way by the way like like getting past the the this topic just slightly just slightly the uh three body problem is that chinese uh trio of novels that that i believe don't spoil it because there's a because

there's a netflix thing coming so i won't spoil anything um i know everything though um okay so i think they're really gonna drop the ball and let me just say this knowing what i know about the story i'm not gonna spoil anything i don't want to get into it like i don't like the story that's what i would say i don't think it's a good story um and and i know the whole story and and i don't like the story and i don't want to see a show about it and here's the other thing i they're gonna get eaten alive if there's not 90% Asian cast. People are going to give them so much shit for replacing all the Asian

people, frankly Chinese people with white people. This is Xi Jinping's social arm losing again. I remember someone said something about him finding out about Kung Fu Panda and what a global hit it is. Wait a minute.

It's two of our national things this would be and and the americans made it great who dropped the fucking ball a kung fu panda and it's an american cartoon and how much money did it make what's the um what's the concept called where it's like the reason why we haven't seen the fermi paradox the reason why we haven't seen aliens is because there's just natural limitations in place is it like the great net or something like that filter the filter yeah yeah and there's there's lots of filters right and um that would prevent you you know there's lots of filters you have to get through to become some sort of galaxy faring uh race who's traveling around we know so much less than we think we do and energy and fuel is like the big that's the big thing i don't think i know much fair enough i mean it's just common sense some of it like you

don't have to like travel the stars to understand like just how it has to go like they like if you're going to become a space like we don't understand like even physics on scales as big as the cosmos i think i think i don't understand physics on scales as big as the cosmos i think there's some people who have a pretty firm grasp on it though irregular irregularities aside although this isn't a spoiler um they talk about multiple dimensions in the third body problem and i found it interesting that they they were like sounds a lot like dark matter doesn't it and it's oh i was like it does sound like dark matter like maybe there's lower dimensions that are invisible but still have gravity would be the idea interested

in what netflix does with three body problems so i've read the books i won't spoil anything but um it's very complicated i've said it here like like whatever mental horsepower i bring to the table i was redlined through that entire fucking book just trying to understand the concepts that they're battling and the tactics that they're employing um to stave off the other guys there i think that's vague enough and um uh i'm like you're gonna make a tv show out of this like tv shows are the culinary equivalent of a pack of smarties right they're rarely in depth and complicated and redline your mind these are simple things to understand with a few like primer and tenant exceptions.

So three body problem, like how do you turn collegiate level calculus into addition and subtraction and make it a Netflix show? Well, you saw the Martian and they did a good job of doing kind of close to what you're describing, making a movie out of, out of a lot of jargon and chemistry,

but, but you're still right because it's it goes beyond the physics of it just some of the concepts just grasping some of the the concepts is is rather difficult um with the it's it's three books so there's a lot going on and at some point it gets so complicated and so frankly convoluted to me that i don't think it's a good property anymore yeah a good piece of like it's just me that i don't think it's a good property anymore a good piece of like it's just inevitable that they trim the fat there's a lot which is why i like um purists when it comes to the like source material really pissed me off because no matter what like dune is

the perfect example like there's a lot going on in the world of dune and he obviously had to cut like a lot there's like men tats are a big part of it and the spacing guild and there's this like um there's this like trading company called chome they're like a huge deal and they're just not in the movies at all so you just you just have to make peace with the like you're gonna have to not necessarily like dumb it down but you have to trim a lot when you adapt stuff there's also a big issue with third body is it third body or three body three body yeah um a big issue is the time scale that that the story takes place in um i won't go talk too much about it but it's large it's a large time

scale that they tell their story on and and and that's an issue to me with it because i feel like all right give you six seasons to do this thing let's just say it's a hit jesus what does the sixth season look like it's like lord of the rings like um when gandalf goes off to study the ring you guys uh taylor you've read this we're steeped in two years right it's like 20 years isn't it that or is it two years a long time i thought it was like seven years but it's it's a long time maybe 7 17 and in the movie it's like a few days and uh i mean doing it doing as well they um they they there's like doing take doing the first book takes place over the course of years and in the movie it's like a few months you know so what is the thing that takes seven years in lord of the rings gandalf has to go study and and learn more about the ring and

and such you know to keep it simple and in the books or in the movies rather it's like you can believe like he kind of made a stop by a library and was like and then like moved on but in the books it's like he was there for a long time like pouring over tomes trying to what does this happen in particular it's that early on this is when he leaves and he leaves the ring still in the shire so this is probably any of the the track remember when they heat the ring up in the fire and then it's very cool it's quite cool and he takes it he leaves there he's like keep it secret keep it safe and then he like he bounces and goes all the way to fucking minister and they make it seem like taylor says like it's the corner

library where he's doing his research maybe the town next door it's like the other side of the fucking country but frodo had it for years and almost like wasn't even wasn't even actively thinking about it he was living his life and whatnot but narratively you can do those big time jumps in books uh like in doing there's like a 4500 year time jump between book three and four and you can get away with that in books because there's just so much more time to flesh out all the stuff but you run the risk of um like losing the audience like it's like too disconnected a whole different cast a different movie almost yeah same set yeah this that's why the shogun show telling you the best thing on tv right now i'm digging it so much um that last episode i

have no spoilers for woody's sake but that last episode really sold me they they they i like to think sometimes i know what's coming that is not what i thought was coming dude that's not what i thought was coming i want you to what have was coming. I want you to watch. Have you seen? I thought they were going to miss on purpose. It's called the history of Japan. I talked about it in a hangout, and everybody mocked me as if this was an obscure video with a mere 75 million views. I know Hutch saw it because he tweeted about it when it dropped. This guy had never made a YouTube video before, and suddenly he dropped the best video on the Internet, and it's the history of Japan. I have no memory of that.

Was that like 15 years ago? He has no memory of this bitch. Let me see. I have no memory of that. Yeah. The video is eight years ago. The video is called the history of Japan and it's by Bill Wurtz. And I am convinced everyone who sees it's going to like it.

Cause he just goes through the history of Japan in a um a light-hearted kind of well-told story way yeah interesting they're not a funny people you know like like I gotta say like like in this show I like the Japanese characters but man I hate their people they're they're just so they're so awful I guess the English and the Portuguese were just scumbags too but jesus the japanese just seemed i hate that honor culture thing i hate all the bowing i hate all the like like how proper it all is i hate the feudal nature of the society i guess it's the same thing in europe though man when they boil that guy alive you see if you saw him boil the guy alive damn that was fucked up dude i boiled the guy alive yeah that was rough for nothing oh when they boiled yeah

yeah that's the first episode why did it take him so long to bonk himself in the head because that's what he ultimately did like why would you not do that right away like uh fuck this i'm just the lead japan guy the japanese guy who made happen, had a real infatuation with the moment between life and death. That little spot when the transition occurs is fascinating to him. So he boiled a man alive so that he could like listen. Yeah, that was awful. Gnarly. That was awful.

That was that it's you know, it's still four episodes in or something but i'm getting those game of thrones vibes i've already got some horrific like like dastardly villains and i'm sure there's gonna be more um again no spoilers but there i saw some real gore in some of these episodes i saw bones and meat and flesh and suffering um was it ancient greece where they had the the torture device that was like what was it like the the the boats the iron calf where you bronze bull that's what it is yeah you gotta go back like the ancient mesopotamia or some shit for that right it wasn't the greeks i think it was right so like yeah they put him in oh dude and then the weird the fucked up thing was that they they had um like they had

like some kind of like the mouth had an opening so you could kind of hear them scream like you remember that yeah yeah yeah and he killed the inventor of it that's what that's what yeah that's i remember reading about but there's a movie called the immortals where they have that there's a scene where these three like siren type women are burned alive in this thing and it fucked me up dude you're just cooked yeah you're burning just sizzling on that thing it's terrible you would just have to knock yourself out right like they put they built a bull out of bronze or something and very large big and then there's an opening where you can stuff a person into it and then seal them into the bull and the nostrils have are built in such a way that the screams come out like a musical instrument and sounds like the bull is braying or whatever bulls do they did and

so you would put place it over a fire and roast the person in it and slowly the bronze heats up and kills the person inside um wow pretty horrific pretty horrific yeah and there isn't a really easy exit plan like i know the guy bonked his head but i feel like if you asked me to bonk my head on this table and knock myself out i'm not sure i could but if you were boiling to death i feel like you would just fucking do it i don't know i'm very motivated but i can you even do my best coach yeah i i mean i get you fully motivated oh my nose this is so much worse i'm burning with a broken nose a very badly broken nose this kid hurts and i've got a bit of a headache do you guys hear that knock all of my

teeth out that time that scene that scene his flesh was almost like green did you notice that it looked like split pea soup it was like so gross man he was being cooked he was being boiled he looked like a chicken that it was what held him in there i didn't he was he was sort of like hogtied arms behind his back and like knees folded up like with his ankles sort of bent toward his arms behind his back like hogged so he just barely kind of stay up because he's in a cauldron i didn't think he made enough effort to escape yeah i mean they're just basically saying he can't yeah you know you know i'm sure i'm sure if he'd gotten out they'd have tied him up better and thrown him back in i gotta get going here boys

i think it's the longest time we've ever had a peak i usually dip after a couple hours it was good catch six hours but we'll cut it short for you yeah yeah i was i was gonna do eight hours it's a new aoe two when we go play oh hutch does anyone a pimp before you go um yeah we're i mean we're doing a lot of like political coverage now so if you guys are interested in that it's twitch.tv forward slash hutch i realize your audience is more right wing so i wouldn't hold it against you if you guys don't visit but you know it's glad to be here and shoot the shit with you guys and bounce stuff off of you and yeah just just look up hutch on twitter and twitch and you

should find me all right thank you for coming on i always enjoy you