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pkn 262 we were just talking pre-show about topic ideas are you watching gemstone yeah like the
righteous gemstones or something like that it's uh it's last week andy and uh and well i guess
everybody i think even uh who's our other guest last week? I feel like a dick now.
Shit.
Blame truth.
Blame truth.
They all blend together sometimes.
I think one of those two was saying you gotta watch this HBO show and
it's got John Goodman in it, which for me is an immediate
plus 10 because I love that guy.
It would be plus 20, but
it's skinny John Goodman.
I don't like that as much. I like my
John Goodman fat, girthy,
unhealthy, heart attack around the corner.
And so it's this show where basically
he and his sons,
one of which is the guy from
that baseball, that raunchy baseball
show, Danny McBride.
Yeah, Danny McBride. And then
the other one, the other son is
Adam Devine,
the guy from Workaholics. i'm not sure if you've
watched workaholics i have that's silly they're not actually workaholics they're not no it's an
it's an irony title um and it's really good so far basically they they are evangelical kind of
you know uh pop-off kind of guys where it's just oh you know i do you feel the lord do you feel
this and that that kind of stuff and already in the first episode it's just, oh, you know, do you feel the Lord? Do you feel this and that? That kind of stuff.
Already in the first episode, it's kind of just showing
the debaucherous sides of their lives
and the things they do that they don't totally put
out front. So they're knowingly scam
artists.
They haven't revealed that yet.
If I had to guess,
just hazard a guess after one episode,
all three of them do believe
it, but one of them is kind of
faking and then john goodman and adam devine are totally they totally believe it or at least adam
devine totally believes that you can't tell what john goodman yet he hasn't gotten enough uh you
can tell he's a ruthless businessman but you know you can't tell yet because that leads like so when people believe
in god that much and have confidence like that i wonder what goes on in their internal monologue
right i think it's safe to assume that they've never seen any undeniable evidence of god
instead they see like i don't know the sun's shine through some
tree leaves with like i think they're called jesus rays or you know like it didn't rain on a wedding
day therefore god exists or something like that and i'm like come on in your heart of hearts
you're skeptical on this right right because it comes down like it's just everybody
has their own form of confirmation bias like and for them it's shown in religion like for some
people it's news or politics or sports or whatever like if i'm a huge like i'm a big blues fan right
when i see uh like even a few years ago when uh patrick kane one of the uh all-star one of the best american
players of all time for the chicago blackhawks he got accused of rape and it was not credible at all
it they ended up backing off because it was just a made-up lie and like it did suck for him that's
a tough thing like we know from our guests last week that that kind of thing can happen
so that was a much bigger bigger stage but even at the time when that came out because i just don't like that team i was like figures and then of
course it comes out later that it's made up and i'm like well yeah but i probably knew that the
whole time you know mostly but for these guys it's religion i've done it when they genuinely
like see a toast that looks like the virgin mary in you know mexico or whatever
they're not making it up i don't think they're like this is a real sign that the lord this is
the little thing that the lord gave me of course why would he do that when he could make a rainbow
or something or make a comet with a nice little engraved note come down is what we would think
but to them that's more than enough bias has been confirmed if i took every naturally occurring w as proof that woody was god i'd see them all over the place
they show up in clouds scratch marks in the ground various footprints probably you know like
it's like animal footprints of course um like but in my heart of hearts, I would know that I'm not actually God because there's
never been any evidence of such, but I can't fathom buying that, but you laid it out pretty
well because I've had biases too.
You know, like, uh, I think when I see politicians get accused of bad stuff, it's hard for me
to jump straight to, no, everybody with a public presence gets some
rape allegations now and then don't they people do it just for the the fame and the fortune and
i'm like really i don't know why is this guy's 29 accusations so not credible and this guy's
39 i don't remember how bill cosby had so obviously credible to me. I can't tell the difference
But you know it sometimes there's I want to believe I don't know and if you talk about Trump in particular
Let me he has a lot of quotes where you could suspect that he doesn't have respect for women. Oh
Yeah, I can and see you can you can that's a perfect example
maybe you can look at one you get you. You can look at something that he's said, and depending on what side you're on, you can go, he has no respect for women.
He has no respect for women at all.
That's clearly what is drawn from this. And then other people will look at it and go, well, actually, he's been a public figure whose kind of character and who he is has been this bloviating off the cuff loudmouth
Arrogant fuck for like 35 years and so two people can look at the same exact thing and depending on their prior
Previous or existing biases totally pull different things out of it And so like and then that's hard for everybody to do. It's really hard to like yes, everybody wants to have a
Off the cuff boom. that's my take that's
my decision and i'm sticking with it and they kind of set that anchor point and then any other
evidence you get the counterman's that you just kind of put up a shield and go nope nope nope
decision made decision made if you do your best to be unbiased that shield is permeable but it's
still there right you know some some uh evidence is has a hard time getting through and some is
welcomed in you said something that i i really liked years ago i was like taylor you work in
advertising more or less and does that make you not susceptible to advertising being privy to all
the tricks and you're like no no nobody is every Everyone gets bombarded with messages again and again and again until they become a kind of truth.
Everyone gets awareness.
You can't be immune to advertising if you see ads.
Oh, of course.
Because so much of it is like a perfect example was like I think the episode before Kyle got booted where taken to prison.
Don't tell him taylor but uh it was i think during that
episode we were talking something came up with marketing and advertising came up and i think
kyle said like i think i'm immune to that i'm immune to advertising and not an hour later he
was talking about how cool and rustic and just old-timey a Jack Daniels bottle looked and how he
purchased one because of the way it looked and the way it's been presented
in movies and the and the musing semi-alcoholic but hard-working and
diligent detective and that show takes a hard slug from a distinct she said oh
it slams it down no I'm saying okay you're adding to it little things like
that that was enough for Kyle to draw something out of it. Like nobody is
the people that I think are most susceptible to advertising or the people who think they're above
it because they don't have their guards up. They take things as they go and they internalize it
without realizing. Meanwhile, if someone is, is on guard in the same way that a paranoid person
who's homesteading in a weird way actually is less susceptible to an apocalypse because they have
a guard up you know if you think that you're mr high intelligence high iq these these ads don't
get to me you're the one that's getting you're getting taken i think i'm mostly immune to
advertising but for a very different reason i have youtube red i watch netflix i have ad block
i like it's just hard to reach me advertising
campaigns coming i this is a while ago i'm gonna i met the dentist or something and one guy says
it's hump day and all the other receptionists start laughing and i don't get it and i'm like
like they're like it's the camel you don't know like whatever debbie from some i don't know what
the commercial was on yeah made hump day a big thing and i
was like no i don't see as many ads as i did back when i had like television and i didn't have
youtube premium youtube red whatever it's called that doesn't remove that now because so many
companies are realizing that as an issue they're just baking in advertising into shows more often
like i robot is an older
movie from the early 2000s with will smith but it's a good example of kind of an early adopter
to that go back and watch that movie if you haven't in a while notice how many ad placements
how many product placements how many scenes start with an emblem of a car or with a certain drink or
with a certain uh coca-cola or a pepsi just whatever it is it's insane and so that i saw a clip on
twitter today i've never watched 13 reasons why it's that that ridiculous show about a teenager
who kills themselves i did watch that i actually liked it but carry on oh i'm making fun of it
without ever watching it that's par for the course for me but i saw a clip on twitter today
of that show and someone was like this is a straight up uh this is a straight up um
what the fuck is the the website builder that sponsors us squarespace oh really it was a
straight up squarespace commercial as they're like sitting there trying to like make a plan
to make a website and the guy's like showing the interface and how easy it is to use to the other
characters and it's like are you shitting me is this what entertainment's gonna be now because i probably fell for it i had no idea that they were doing that this isn't
season three yeah so if you haven't seen that one oh there's it i didn't know there were three
seasons i didn't either till i saw it oh um but the another will smith movie help me it's a zombie
movie where's kyle when you need And, but they're not really zombies,
but they,
they can't go in the light.
They're like zombie vampires.
I am legend.
Yes,
I am legend.
My goodness.
Like opening shots of Will Smith and a Ford Mustang as if that's an apocalypse to car,
you know,
just like zooming around.
I can't say words.
What is it?
When you tail ground grinding around a corner, sliding around drifting. What is it when you tailgrip?
Grinding around a corner?
Sliding around?
Drifting.
That's what I'm going for.
Thank you so much.
He's like drifting around corners in a Mustang.
And later he hops into an Explorer.
And like you said, like close-ups of a Ford emblem.
And they zoom out to reveal the rest of the car as it does cool stuff driving around.
And this is an apocalypse situation
right and not just like it's an extreme Apocalypse with zombie vampires wrecking everything and
having murdered almost everybody but damn the car looked good I guess his hobbies are survival and
detailing cars yeah because thank God I found this clean, current year Ford Explorer. Yeah. And this is the LE, the limited edition one. Wow. Man, now I can have air-conditioned
ass cheeks as I mow down vampires and stuff. And it's ridiculous. Because that's real things.
Maybe some people don't know this. When you watch a show or a TV show, movie, anything, and you see like, let's say they're
on a bathroom counter and he has Rogaine there and he has Bayer brand aspirin and he has
Crest white toothpaste.
Those companies all paid for that.
They didn't just go and throw a generic toothpaste throw a generic thing in there
throw this like there are companies that come that will reach out to consumer products companies and
go hey there's a show that's going to be on this and we have an opening for a couple uh bathroom
scenes we have an opening for a couple closet scenes would you like your product to be involved
in that because they make that happen because i mean the absolutely if i needed to stock a
pantry or a medicine cabinet
the easiest thing to do would be to run to cvs so it they have to go out of their way to get like
i don't know a bottle that kind of looks like bear but isn't to to stock with that you really think
that they always go the hard way if they're not getting paid oh no it's not uh it's not hard
if they're not getting paid?
Oh, no, it's not hard.
No.
Because a company as big as J&J or P&G,
this is a pittance to them.
This is like something that they would get an email in their marketing department and go,
hey, do you want fucking no more tear shampoo
in a scene in this zombie movie
as the woman is washing her hair
and you can see it in the background
on the little shower caddy
for three scenes or something? And they'll go, yeah, whatever. Sure. Yeah. We'll pay 12 grand
for that. Okay. Sure. Yeah. We'll do that. And so that's why part of the reason is believability.
You don't want these over the top, different, weird brands. And so they're going to reach out
to those kind of mainstay J&J, P&G, large brands. But like, yeah, there are no
mistakes when it comes to that. When you see a Coca-Cola or a Pepsi or even smaller things like
they pay for that. And so I and that's something I had no idea until I kind of got into this
industry and, you know, on behalf of some clients would get inquiries about that. And I was like,
holy shit, everything I see on TV is carefully
constructed from the bottom up all those scenes when it comes to products at least because you
know they're not going to turn down opportunities to make money now that I think about it the I am
I did this dancing competition years ago it was cool uh all the things we used were from a prop
department like I read a newspaper in one of the dances all the headlines there were like real articles that you could read they weren't
interesting and they weren't though they didn't do two things they didn't date
you although I suppose the newspaper at all is dating now but like it didn't
mention who the current president was or anything that would help you associate a
date and it also didn't say anything that could be remotely controversial in
the paper.
So even today's current events, I don't know.
You could write like Trump does this at the G7 or Trump misses climate change meeting, right?
Half the people reading that will probably be offended at that title.
And they'd figure out the time.
The time too, yeah. So the time was one motivating factor,
and the other thing was that they didn't want anything in there about a death or a politician
that would make anyone not like it for some reason.
It was all weather.
And for the bigger companies, it's sometimes even different.
Let's say Miramax says we've got six movies coming out
that we have a bundle of,
and each one of them has an opportunity for you to promote something
in a closet space or whatever. So we're coming to you fucking Tommy Hilfiger or
whatever, old Navy or whatever, like, uh, uh, Thursday boots or some other company. So it's
really interesting that so much extra thought goes into it and it's, it's all just to make money.
And, and so like, even when you skip all of the ads
you're still getting advertised you mentioned john goodman earlier you let you prefer fat john
goodman so to me he lost weight and got old together and i always wonder like people say
oh the presidency ages you i don't doubt that that might be true i think it's a stressful job
but i also think that a lot of times four or eight years
have passed and that that guy was going to age in either case. You know, some are outrageous like
Lincoln, but Obama, for example, he might've looked like that eight years later. Anyway,
he doesn't look so horrible. Um, I wonder John Goodman, he lost weight and got old.
What does fat John Goodman look like? Did he age a
lot better? This like alternate universe, John Goodman that didn't lose the weight. Does he not
his fate? I mean, his heart and his arteries and all that doesn't age better, but his face does
definitely like he, he lost weight at the worst time. Like if a 40-year-old, let's say a 35 or 40,
let's say they're 100 pounds overweight
and they lose it.
Sure, they don't have the skin elasticity
of a 22, 25-year-old or whatever,
but they can still get it back together.
They can get it going.
When you're 67 or whatever,
like John Goodman,
and you lose 120 pounds,
all it does is make all of your wrinkles
100 times deeper
and make your
throat pouch look even more impressive than mitch mcconnell's those are bold words taylor
it is mr goodman is really stepping up to the plate here with that throat pouch so yeah if
you're gonna lose weight as a big fat adult do it before you get too old it's pretty young some
collagen i'm basing this on um how women's bellies bounce back.
Like you see these girls in their, I'll say 25.
Dude, you can't tell they were pregnant a few months later.
They have a baby at 35.
You know, their bellies are never stock again.
Yeah, they're never stock.
They're always aftermarket or something.
I mean, that's when women go rotten.
They just don't bounce back the same way when they're 35 and they had the kid.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Have you seen...
Oh, go ahead.
No, you go ahead.
Oh, this is not that interesting.
I was talking about the meme, the Popeye's chicken sandwich versus the chick-fil-a chicken sandwich and
people you are high as a goddamn kite if you think popeyes can hold a candle to the chick-fil-a
sandwich the chick-fil-a sandwich is just better is this your inner white girl talking like it
this is my inner consumer you know first of all you go to you go to chick-fil-a they're just
stoked to have you there oh my god thanks for coming to chick-fil-a they're just stoked to have you there
oh my god thanks for coming to chick-fil-a and ordering our sandwiches we love you
they are at chick-fil-a at popeyes you get a surly person with dirty fingernails
you know who's got a bunch of tattoos and you don't want to or at least the popeyes near me
it's like st louis popeyes i got yeah st louis popeyes and i got a popeyes chicken sandwich to
test it out like uh soon after they released and you know when you get like a chicken sandwich
sometimes and there's just surrounding areas where you'll bite into it thinking it's chicken
but it's just an enormous hunk of breading oh and then you're eating bread on bread on bread
and it's just it's just not good the chicken was dry there
were too many of those breading bites i've eaten a thousand well realistically probably a hundred
chick-fil-a sandwiches in my life i've never had a dry bite i've never had that it's always juicy
it's always good they do the the kyle approach or whatever where he says they soak them in pickle
juice or a pickle brine or whatever to keep the the moisture in there and that's peanut oil fried
it's just a higher quality sandwich and now these these two
companies are memeing off each other which chick-fil-a not stoked about
having their name associated with Popeyes Popeyes is doing line dances in
their corporate office like yes we're in the same sentence with chick-fil-a
really our quality with chick-fil- sentence with chick-fil-a really associate
our quality with chick-fil-a oh because chick-fil-a wins like america's favorite fast
food restaurant like every year because it's just you know it's got good service and it's a you know
it is a fucking fast food chicken sandwich if you go to a real restaurant order a chicken sandwich
it's probably going to be better than chick-fil-a or popeyes or any of those but as far as fast food
goes chick-fil-a is the best i hardly ever go to Chick-fil-A. There's a couple issues.
One, I usually eat fast food when I have a long drive.
That would be if I'm going to Florida or Georgia or something.
And that happens on Sunday an inordinate amount of times.
I almost always come home on a Sunday.
So even though it's only one in seven days, it seems to be half of my driving days.
And I don't know.
They're just not on my radar somehow like i i see wendy's is the
one to go to and i'm not reprogrammed yet yeah but i have been to both and i thought of popeye's
more as the like more seasoning a little like black grandmother's food and chick-fil-a as fast food maybe i don't know i think of both
them as fast food like when i go to popeyes like if i go to popeyes i want chicken like i want a
chicken chicken leg chicken wing right uh chicken breast or something if i go to chick-fil-a just
give me the chicken sandwich the one thing that chick-fil-A does suck ass at, their fries are terrible. They are always floppy. Those waffle fries, one in a hundred are crispy and nice.
They need to get a Terra Page out of McDonald's book on French fries. Stop trying to be Mr.
Fancy Pantsy over there with your waffle fries and just make good fries. I never even order
their meals. I only get their entrees because I'll eat two of their fries and go didn't you learn last time that these soggy pieces of aren't worth eating
it's just empty calories not even the the dopamine hit yes yeah look if i'm gonna sin it better be
worth it you know i better get something in return not just soggy french fries yeah i've done
that where i eat like half of a chick-fil-A container of fries, and it's like, I'm 300 calories into this, and I'm not even happy.
Yeah, you don't want that.
What a waste.
But yeah, maybe someone can convince me otherwise.
I don't think I'll be convinced otherwise unless I go back to Popeye's and decide to get in the chicken sandwich, and it's way better.
But I'm never going to do that because I go to Popeye's when I want fried chicken.
And even then, if I want fried chicken and I'm in the area, I'm going to go to Church's chicken over Popeye's because Church's is just way fucking better than Popeye's when I want fried chicken. And even then, if I want fried chicken and I'm in the area, I'm going to go to Church's Chicken
over Popeye's because Church's is just
way fucking better than Popeye's. I don't know if you
have Church's where you are. I've heard
of it. I don't think I've been to it, though.
Yeah. If you enter a Church's Chicken
and you feel in danger,
you're in a good one. Oh,
that's how I feel about Waffle House.
Yeah, there's one
in the city, and I'd go in there and just be like,
head on a swivel.
Head on a swivel.
I'm in there.
Then you get the chicken.
Can I have that seat with my back to the wall
and my face to the door?
Yeah, I'd be like Liam Neeson in Taken.
I'm just in the back corner
making sure I can scope out the whole thing.
But yeah, that was my take on the fast food,
little fast food battle.
Not that it's even that interesting
so boogie boogie 2899 i actually like the guy i he's been on the show a bunch of times and uh
i don't know i i want good things for him he seems all right but there's news surrounding him i don't
know what's up it's just sort of a slow burn of youtube hot water now i'll lay it out through my lens of
bias but um so he was on youtube for a long time people loved him right and they called him the
mr rogers of youtube and he would just say good things and present the best version of himself
and i think I could maybe relate
to this to some extent and then he went on Twitch and somehow on Twitch he was I
want to say a real version of himself I almost want to say the worst version of
himself like the pka version of me thank you and and so he's on Twitch and and
they take his worst clips and present that as
we found out who boogie really is and like i think he went to a bed and humped it and said
that's how he treats whores and um he dated it's just funny i guess yeah actually you know it
depends on what kind of figure you built yourself into if If me, you, or Kyle said that, they'd be like, that's a tongue-in-cheek joke.
They're not doing that.
But you're right.
With Boogie building up the kind of Mr. Rogers appeal, for him to suddenly become that is probably shocking to his fans.
Yeah, continue.
Sorry.
It's the shock.
It's the turn.
People are upset because it's like they pulled back the curtain found a different version of boogie
and they're very mad at him and on reddit there's this thread that details like every bad thing he's
ever done painted in the worst light some of them wouldn't even register is not cool unless you put
it in the context of a couple of other things he's done or said. And now his edgy joke is pure evil.
Boogie exposed.
And he's been losing subs.
Now, you lose subs or whatever.
But I want to say, I'll look up the numbers.
I'll look up Social Blade on him.
Yeah.
I'm going to do it really quick.
He's lost 41,000 in the last month wow right that's a big deal but and it's been a couple of months too like even if it was just um
last month was the only bad one then that would be i don't know like somehow a different situation.
But he lost...
Sorry, I'm looking in the wrong spot.
He hasn't consistently gained subs since like April 18th.
In May, he lost almost 6,000.
In June, he lost almost 15,000.
And in July, he lost almost 30,000.
And now he's on pace for over 40 and that dude that's a lot that's a long time and these are big numbers so people are like i want to say
they're leaving mad you know when you lose 4 000 subs a day which is like the high end of what he's
done then like i don't know it's not casually moving on
like every youtuber has subs casually moving on and then maybe new subs
casually back like an aggressive unsubscribing campaign where people are
like actively fuck you like it makes boogie kind of interesting to me like I
want to know what he's do I feel like he continues to feed the flame of the
negative people like he hasn't really cleaned
up and started being good and i feel like it's a semi-conscious self-destruction that he's got
going on and that's the that's the core of what i'm finding fascinating boogie is going on long
rants that he knows hurt him and doing it anyway but he's doing like on twitch on twitch
yeah on twitch but then it gets clipped and it gets uploaded to like live stream fails or you
know this becomes another little nugget for this copy paste about him that details like the 50
things he's ever done wrong that's the old they they're he um i guess he was a sugar daddy to this woman who you could
call a prostitute ish i don't know like i think that was the story he told on pka wasn't it did
he talk about him on pka maybe a different woman but i think so anyway she was i guess you i don't
know if you call him an ex-john or if you call you call her a jilted ex-girlfriend or whatever,
but they've taken her side of it
and turned it into like the worst possible thing.
Like for example, I think she was a cam whore.
I bet there's a better word for that,
but let's roll with it.
No, let's be real here.
And he didn't like it.
So he would be like, no, stay with me, no, skip that.
And she's like, hey, I gotta go. This is how I earn money. You know, if you're not okay with that would be like no stay with me no skip that and she's like hey i gotta go
this is how i earn money you know if you're not okay with that then why are you with me
and you know he's not okay with it because he likes her he's envious this is at least the
the lens i see it through but they make him into this controlling asshole who doesn't want to let
her earn a living and it's like ah but her living is kind of sort of cheating on him
that i mean i think that's the emotion that he's going for when he says why don't you stay with me
and uh you know but they paint it into like the worst possible way and anyway i'm seeing boogie
on the second half of his youtube bell curve like so many people have.
And I'm wondering, how do you feel about this?
What's your plan?
Are you going to try and get a second bell curve?
It happens.
It's unusual, but it happens.
Do you have any other job skills?
Do you have enough money?
Not after the divorce.
I wouldn't guess.
I thought that.
I wasn't going to say it out loud but it was in my
head as well um yeah i i i'm putting together the things that he said publicly he said he was almost
a millionaire and then he lost half in the divorce you can estimate his net worth from there you know
maybe he's back up a touch and he's just crossed 500 which is still not a retireable amount of money. Right. Right. Yeah. So, um,
you know, I wonder what kind of stresses he's feeling. Are these stresses leading him to make
more what seemed to be to me mistakes? Or is he going to do a rebound on the hated side
of this equation? You know, maybe the next boogie is not the internet's Mr. Rogers.
the next boogie is not the internet's mr. Rogers it's the next dark side Phil maybe I'm super curious about what's going on so are the big things the
cam whore thing and the like the the silly h, pillow humping video? I'm trying to figure out what else.
I'm looking on his subreddit for whatever the post is.
The big thing is he's not who he said he was.
And then everything else in isolation isn't so awful, right?
But there's a facet of his personality that is a 4chan-er.
And he was on 4chan before he was on YouTube.
That's part of his home.
And so when they see that little side of him,
that sort of angry, incel, misogynistic, whatever,
like not so Mr. Rogers, love everyone,
he tells a story and says,
you know, someone broke into my house once.
And you know what I did?
I gave him a ride home.
That guy was having a hard time.
And I'm so nice that I help out people who attempt to do home invasions against me.
And that's like, wow, Boogie, you're so wonderful.
And then they find out that that isn't the only version of him.
And they feel cheated.
They feel like he's put out a PR curated version and then it took their own investigation to be like wait a second this isn't the guy that's been presented
to me for the last X number of years sorry it's understandable yeah it's all
understandable but it's it to me like there's a lot of positive things
happening in his life, right?
He's lost a bunch of weight.
He's got the new teeth.
There's a whole new him.
He's single, which I don't think, you know,
it was his choice, but, like,
he could be living the best life,
and instead he's living probably the worst life
he's had in a long time, right?
He was probably happier being loved at 500 pounds
than he is right now and i
just wonder like how's he doing he okay why does he keep doing this what's happening in your head
is this a version of suicide that you're doing when you just keep this up i feel like he's
self-destructive behavior some people are cutters you know some people are scratchers this is his version of self-harm i think
when he goes on twitch and says things that he knows harms him that he that he knows are going
to come back to get him but he somehow finds it irresistible therapeutic something and i
i wonder what's happening in there it probably feels cathartic to him like
if his true self is the more offensive you know making 4chan jokes and everything then it's got
to be exhausting to try and keep up a facade of you know mr rogers-esque behavior like and also
like the people have one true self though like i I'm going to paint this on you, forgive me.
The version of you at work isn't fake.
That's just professional Taylor.
And there's a version of you around your family who might be different.
And when you're alone with your girlfriend, who could be a different one?
And I would hope the PKA one is only here.
No, this is how I behave all the time.
Right?
So none of this is fake it's just people behave
you know appropriately for the environment that they're in and boogie behaves inappropriately
or it behaves in a way on twitch that he knows hurts him and i feel like it's he's a cutter
but he does it with a mic and a video camera maybe like maybe he's in like a cycle of not feeling like he deserves
success in any way and so he self-sabotages or maybe it's just kind of the whole house of cards
crumbling down where it's like he's just fucking tired of being more wholesome than he feels he
actually is and now he's he's kind of throwing that by the way so i don't know i i don't watch
nearly enough boogie and by nearly enough i mean i don't watch any boogie content and so i don't know what his what his little quirks and
everything are i do know that it seems like every time i see a tweet from him which is the only like
i follow him on twitter so i'll see like every once in a while he'll have a take like he seems
to be obsessed with trying to appease everyone at the same time.
And in doing so, not just appeasing no one,
but actively pissing people off.
Because there is a level of centrism
that you can see in people sometimes
where it's like you're being a bad faith centrist right now.
You're taking the center position for the sake of doing it
so that you have plausible deniability
for any criticism that may come from your take. And then then he i think we talked about him with him on the show i
think i even said something to him last time he was on where i'm like boogie you gotta stop the
fence sitting go go hard one direction or say nothing or or just you know it because then at
least you're going to get people's genuine response and go, Oh, okay, look, he may actually have a belief about this,
but going,
Hey guys,
just throw my hat into the ring.
Everybody's bad equally right now.
And it's like,
maybe sometimes that is the correct.
I march with LBGQT,
but don't want marriage rights for them.
That's an actual stance.
And it's like,
I did see that.
I saw somebody tweet that out.
Yeah,
I'm with you i find the
fence sitting to be a certain kind of lack of courage and there's some honest fence sitters
right like i i'm pro-choice but look i kind of see the pro-life side right like i don't
not happily pro-choice i just look at sometimes i find that's the way to land I'm the same boat with you yeah okay um Trump and his China stuff man I hope he wins the trade war I
hope we win the trade war right I I don't know if he's doing it well but I
felt like someone had to try that's right that's a little fence city I think
but um what he does man every single issue he tries to find a way to have no one
disagree with him and at some point it's infuriating yeah it comes off as disingenuous like
see that's a good way to say it it's not the fence sitting in and of itself or the centrism you know
i'll say centrism because fenn says he has an inherent like naked connotation but it's not that
inherent like the fence sitting it's the frequency of it
i think where if every once in a while somebody who you're listening to spit out hot takes goes
honestly guys i really hate both sides here like if that's not a consistent thing they'll go
you know i kind of hear i disagree but i see what you're saying these people both suck but if every
issue every single time is right down the middle can't say this because i
don't want to offend these people i hate the sjw's but i don't want to offend them you know and i
don't want to hurt these people over here so i'm going to say this in a in a you know a mealy-mouthed
way it's like over time it it comes off as actively insulting to your fans because it's saying to them
i don't respect your intelligence enough that you can differentiate that what i'm saying is my true belief or it's a you know kind of just
an amalgamation of what i'm i think you guys want me to say he said on our show at one point that he
was like rick from rick and morty and he was just a nihilist who didn't care how things worked out
and that's why he was so centrist on every issue and i'm like the fuck like you're you're
rick you're a rick you're telling me you're a rick like you did a super genius who just sees
beyond everything to the point where you look you can't care are you dr manhattan too jesus christ
who do you think you are a rick that is funny i see myself as a gandalf of sorts
above it all entirely and yet more powerful than you could imagine
and 900 years old maybe i don't know so like that that's the real thing like he would get a lot
better feedback if he would quit the centrist fence sitting you know sometimes if that's his
honest take go for it man say what you honestly, but don't look to your followers and try and garner what you think
they want you to say, and then reproduce a bastardization of what that is, because you're
going to get it wrong, and they're going to see through it, and they're going to call your ass
out for both sides, and then because you're very sensitive to that, you're going to respond,
and when you respond to that and say, I didn't mean it by this, I didn't mean it by that, all that shows is weakness. And the people
who know that they got to rise out of you by responding to that are going to respond to the
next one and pile on. It's a cycle that you're putting yourself in. Just stop being political
on Twitter. Showing weakness is an interesting thing. Sometimes an apology video gives people
what they need. Sometimes an apology invites them to double down and triple down and never let it go.
And it's interesting to see how that lands. Like Trump, he almost always doubles down. That's his
go-to move. That's his instinct. And I want to say it almost always works. There are a few examples
through my lens anyway, like the Charlottesville thing both you know good people on both sides then he doubled down I can't quote
it but he didn't back off it enough and that kind of burnt him I'm coming up
short on examples usually double down you know you know Mexico's sending the
rapists and murderers and he's like it they are it's like weird so yeah a lot of
people crossing there are criminals and people are like well well bullshit okay because like the
reason that you have to do that in a lot of situations and double down is because any sort
of apology is going to be seized on as an admission of guilt you can't apologize and go i didn't mean
it this way i didn't do this and that because the people who wanted you, you know, drawn and quartered already got what they wanted. They got a sorry from you,
which means that you admit you're wrong. That's why you're not. And it's not just Trump who does
this. A lot of politicians who are more savvy and or people, public speakers, business people like
usually double down, double down and don't admit fault. And whether or not you're wrong,
you may be wrong, but don't do it
and so he he makes that mistake continuously and sometimes it'll be like he'll say his hot
centrist take and then i'll see like four minutes later he'll have like a quasi apology clarification
above it like oh man come on dude like dm me before you tweet and i would i would have said
hard pass on both of those. Boogie, don't. No, don't.
Can you do an Asian accent?
No, Boogie.
What you want to do is you want to tweet
at prominent blue checks
and call them cunts.
You're going to hop on in there and call Trevor Noah gay?
Perfect.
Anyway, You're going to hop on in there and call Trevor Noah gay? Perfect. Yeah.
Anyway, have you been watching the...
I don't know if it's true, but there's a poll out
that's kind of not consistent with the others,
implying wrong, but who knows.
It's fun to watch because now Biden's in a three-way tie
with Sanders and Warren.
Yeah, I didn't see that.
I knew Biden was tanking
because he's did he do something he's just really bad by himself by himself he comes off as a
blithering okay that's more extreme than i see it but here's what i do see i see a guy who's losing
his edge because of age and by the, presidency is like two years from now,
a year and a half.
So he's not going to be younger in 2021
if he were to get the job.
So that's one issue.
And two, he's kind of gaffe prone.
So between him just,
there's a certain kind of lisp that old,
like really old people,
70 year olds can get
that I get sensitive to.
And when all of a sudden
they don't have S's anymore and they like,
it gets weird.
I'm like,
man,
too much saliva happening.
I'm like that shit in the corner of their mouth.
I'm wildly conscious of both things in my own mouth right now.
That was my saliva level held by S's.
And,
uh,
so when Biden slips into what is like any other 76,
77 year old dude does,
it reminds me of what he's got going on.
And then he's just gaffe-prone.
And his main appeal is, but I can win.
No one's inspired by Biden.
No one is like, oh, yes, just jerking off to the idea of Obamacare with minor revisions.
Go, Biden.
Please do that for us.
No one is inspired by what Biden brings to the table.
They're just buying into the idea that he's the most likely guy to win.
If you take that away, if suddenly he's second in the polls,
if suddenly he starts losing states, his goose is cooked.
And I find that, you know, I watch this partly because I like politics but some the chess of it I've said
a million times and I'm watching these pieces moving like man if Biden's not leading the polls
he doesn't make a comeback there's no enthusiastic Biden supporters who jump back on that train the
only reason he's winning is because he's winning yeah nobody's
stoked on biden like like you can always tell who like the media tries to prop up and like give that
extra edge like someone they clearly don't want to be given an edge is tulsi gabbard she and and
andrew yang are kind of gaining ground slowly in their own way but they're not they're not propped
up there the two that the media want to prop up are Harris and Biden.
Harris is not looking good.
Her criminal record or whatever,
her prosecutor record,
is not going to...
It's not going to pan out for her.
It's just not going to pan out.
Yeah, yeah.
Her criminality.
No, her really aggressive...
That's what I'm thinking of.
I'm thinking of every other
fucking ball yeah yeah uh and but it and then biden is just pathetic at this point like he
was basically grabbed in 2008 because they're like all right we got this guy uh obama he's
charismatic and he doesn't have a long enough history in politics for him to have done anything
ridiculous he's he'll kind of he can be whatever we want him to be but we need an anchor for him to have done anything ridiculous. He can be whatever we want him to be,
but we need an anchor for him so that people who are hesitant or worried see,
ah, that guy will keep them down to earth.
You know, he won't go too far left
or too far this way or that way.
And Biden was kind of that guy.
In particular, I think there was
an inexperience question with Obama.
So they grabbed the guy who looked like
he solved the experience question
or answered the experience question.
Like I think in the next couple months, it going to become apparent that biden is cannot beat trump
it's going to be if they try to run biden i swear it's going to be the exact same thing as 2016
nobody except for like super feminists just for the sake of like yay ladies wanted hillary even
like my friends who are more left-leaning at the time were just like, God, man, I mean, she fucking sucks.
I wanted Bernie and no more Bernie,
and they're going to get roasted.
The inspiration gap between Trump and Hillary was huge.
I think there were a lot of people who were inspired by Trump,
who saw Trump as a person sticking their middle finger up to
the establishment right and they found that inspiring hillary on the other hand she was
prominent she's qualified you know she's got the background you'd want a president to have
and her senator and secretary of state but not inspiring no she was just the Biden of 2016, in my opinion. Yeah, she sucked.
But again, it's hard.
We were talking about advertising.
It's hard for me to not see my own bias or to see my own bias.
But I'm here thinking that Trump is one of the most easily defeated presidents in my memory.
He might be.
It very well might be.
Number one, his base is very disenchanted because he hasn't kept any of the big promises that he said he might be it very well might be a number one his base is very disenchanted because
he hasn't kept any of the big promises that he said he would he's he's actively been worse on a
lot of things than he said he would he's sucked like like what's he going to rely on the judges
like because literally if you're a trump voter that's one of the only things you have to fall
on as well i guess him appointing judges is better than Hillary, which true, I'd rather have Trump appoint than Hillary. But even then,
he's not really he didn't do anything to really rile up his base and everything. He didn't handle
immigration. He didn't handle he's handling trade in the way he can. He didn't get the North Korea
thing. Well, that's not fair to put on his shoulders. Nobody's handled that. But regardless,
he hasn't done what his supporters wanted. And so his base is going to not be that enthused.
The Democratic base has a real problem, real real problem because no matter what they do,
half of their base, half is not going to like it. And if they put Biden in there, those young people
are going to say fuck right off the same way they did last time when Bernie got screwed.
And so if they put Bernie or Warren in, I think they beat Trump because enough older Democrats who don't like
how far left Warren and Sanders are, they're going to hold their nose and go anyone but Trump and
they'll vote. Whereas I think young people are still opportunists or optimistic enough about it
that they'll say, no, I'm not voting for an establishment of Biden fuck or whatever.
I could be totally wrong, but if they win I think they run Bernie. I think the Democrats are
Preaching to each other the lesson from 2016 which is hey
Whoever wins this a lot of you aren't gonna like it start getting over that now a year and a half in advance
I want you to practice a little bit voting for your second favorite because you might end up doing that
to practice a little bit voting for your second favorite because you might end up doing that.
But then I see it both ways because then like I watched a clip on the Democratic debate and they were like,
there's one of the early ones, I guess we're still early.
And they were like, who of you think that, you know, health care should be given for free to illegal immigrants and that illegal immigration should be changed to a civil issue more like a parking ticket than a real crime and every one of them i think sans biden raised their
hand and so older democrats are going to look at that and go well hell i really hate this trump guy
but uh i don't really want to bankrupt our country you want us to offer free health care to illegal
immigrants and then treat it as not a crime you know what's going to happen we're going to become
south america in three days like i don't like that and so that might scare them back away from voting
for i really don't know the democratic party is so divided right now by age like as far as age
lines so it's hard to even tell the health care one so i don't love what you said but i also
it's hard to implement a look if you want someone to walk in and get healthcare,
then you can't like check their cards before they get it.
They're emergency situations.
But let's set that aside.
The one that bothers me is the student loan stuff.
There's a lot of people running saying,
man, we'll just get America
to pay your student loans off for you.
Won't you love it?
And I'm like, what?
That, that's not, that's crazy.
Maybe.
I think it's, if you were to offer American scholarships, right,
where it's like, hey, you know what?
Right now the barrier to being a nurse, an engineer, an attorney,
or an accountant, dare to dream, is whether your father was wealthy.
We're going to make it so that a decent chunk of Americans
can pursue these careers if they're worthy.
And if there was an American scholarship that did that,
that opened the door to become a certified public accountant
for a smart young man or woman,
then I wouldn't be opposed to that.
But it's like, oh, a lot of college debt,
these loans, if people don't know this,
it's not the tuition that we're talking about.
It's the living expenses.
It's the fact that they went four years
just living off debt, and now they're like,
yeah, shit, you know I I wish I had lived
a cheaper life I wish that I had chosen a cheaper school I wish that this I like
you didn't maximize it because it was all tomorrow money and you thought you'd
be richer than you turned out to be we had a filthy filthy robot on the show
and he was like man you know I went to college and you know I didn't make much
money with my degree it's like great you sure to Joe's accounting you know I didn't make much money with my degree it's like great you sure
to Joe's accounting you know like you maybe you chose a degree that was that
lined up with your passions but it didn't line up with a career and now you
have debt or Malibu has debt but you know didn't turn out to pay those are
the decisions we make and why does America bail out student loans seems
wrong yeah I mean it's it's I'd rather be hot student loans the bail out student loans? It seems wrong. Yeah.
I mean, I'd rather bail out student loans than bail out all the banks and automobile manufacturers again.
But the whole student loan thing, I get it.
The people made bad decisions.
Generally, people are very young when they do this,
and you do not get a good financial education in American public schools.
They don't tell you. And the companies giving you these loans get a good financial education in American public schools. They don't tell you.
And the companies giving you these loans have a vested interest in getting you to take as much as possible.
They want you to take as many loans as you can and get you just basically be a debt slave the rest of your life.
And you can't even bankruptcy doesn't get you out of a student loan debt.
Like there's no way to escape.
That's fair.
Yeah.
Fair enough. loan debt like there's no way to escape yeah it fair enough like but it is exploitative that these
huge multi-billion dollar companies take advantage of a young american people in order to bolster
their own their own bottom line i almost go the other way on that and let me lay it out um just in
in fast forward the not paying it back thing there's three kinds of loans there's mortgage
like collateral backbacked loans,
where if you don't pay it, they can get their money back
by taking the house and selling it.
That's how that works.
There's unsecured loans, I think.
There's like a credit card.
And the things you buy on that are like
electrician services and restaurant food,
and things that they can't get back
when the interest rate is really high
if you don't pay it back.
And then there's student loans.
Student loan is another thing they can't seize.
If you get your education then don't pay it off.
They can't take that and sell it like they can your house.
So you would think the interest rate would be really high like it is on other unsecured
purchases, but it's not.
It's a really low interest rate.
And the reason is they have special protections that prevent you from getting out of paying it back.
If you could get out of paying back student loans,
then the interest rates would have to be really high.
And probably a lot of people would do that.
They're like, why do I pay back this loan for 30 years
when I could just go bankrupt for seven
and have the problem be behind me?
Yeah.
So that's why they're as high as they are.
And if you say, well, they should have never given
this loan to that person, that was unkind of them
to let them make a bad decision, then I say,
ooh, because the other phrasing of that is,
I'm taking away your opportunity.
Taylor, did you get into Harvard?
It's expensive, you need a big loan, but you know what?
I think you're making a bad decision, so I won't loan you all the money you need for
your education.
That's the other side of that coin, that you're taking away opportunities from people because
they're not born with money that people who were born with money have.
Mad Fientist I understand what you're saying.
It seems like the problem starts before any of this though, is that the government got
involved in the education system, public and private private with the kind of doling out of student loans and then because the institutions
themselves know that they can charge whatever the fuck they want now because they're handing out
loans like fucking candy to people like at some point this student loan bubble has to burst the
same way the housing bubble burst in 08 and the same way the housing bubble is going to burst
again how long how many months did they wait before they're like, no, we figured out subprime loans this time.
We got it.
And then they just started doing it again.
We really are.
It seems like the whole system is set up to make people debt slaves for their entire life.
Yeah, but the only thing is my core disagreement with what you said is instead of making people debt slaves
they're just opening the door and some walk through it and some don't they're probably most
peaceful people listening to this are not drowning in student debt hopefully not yeah yeah and and
but as some but some are and the ones that are really drowning because people exaggerate the
cost of college you know they're like man it's a hundred thousand dollars a year for med school maybe but it's not actually a hundred grand a year you know and if you get
into your your state school where it's government assisted then it's like what eight or twelve grand
a year for just the tuition part not the room and board like it it's not that expensive it's
expensive but it's like you're making it out like a hundred grand a year and
you're 400 grand in debt what were you living it up you're right about that and that's that's why
it's like the same way that you shouldn't be able to give booze to a 16 year old at a store
you shouldn't be able to set up an 18 year old for a life of you know failure because they went
i need 140 000 so i can go to this in-state school and also
live in this really cool bungalow with my friends and solved it like that what they need independent
loan counselors that would be the thing right they just need a woody in their life to be like dude
like you're going to university of aust, but you're out of state?
Have you considered UNC?
Have you considered whatever, University of New Jersey or Mizzou?
Just a little loan counselor who doesn't work for whoever's giving you the loan
to help people walking to these decisions with a little more knowledge.
That would be great. That would be really helpful for people, especially because the
lack of financial education in our school systems, both public and private for the most part,
is just terrible. They'd be damn near loan therapists, right? It's like, okay, young Billy,
I'm looking at your plan. Do you realize you're a financial masochist is this your kink what the
fuck did I have a ball gag for you if that's your deal it's cheaper my crystal
ball who I don't see a house or car and you know like look I can ball gag you
and fuck you in the ass and it only hurts for 30 minutes your plan is 30
years yeah they need a that's my style of financial counseling they need
that yeah like the whole in-state artist part of it also is that we now live in a world because
you know the competition is so much higher with h-1b visas and things like that that like college
has become the new high school and the rate of pay or the rate of income hasn't matched the increase in college tuition. Like not even,
not even fucking close. I was looking at some chart the other day, uh, it was like equalizing
for hours. And it was like with 2,700 hours worked at minimum wage, you could pay for
two years of college tuition in 1978. Same thing today. You need about 12,000 hours or whatever it
was. It's an, it's an enormous, uh, enormous difference. But the whole culture of you need about 12 000 or whatever it was it's an it's an enormous uh enormous difference but the
whole culture of you need college oh you need to go to a cool school you want to get drunk and do
drugs and have fun don't you these are the supposed to be the best four years of your life
right and so you get i have friends who now will tell me i think i might even mention this in the
show before because like and i could even say back in when i was like 18 like picking schools
part of me wanted to go out of state so it's like well everybody I know is going to this school that's going to Mizzou drop and buy without notice yeah I want
to be cool over here in my mini fridge I can't do that in the same state as mom
yeah like and I have friends who were like all like just gung-ho about like out of state
schools that weren't even better than the state school here they'd be like i have to go to clemson
i'm going to clemson i don't care that it's 31 000 a year it's a better school for this department
like like marginally like and then i would even ask him i'm like man
that's crazy like it's only 12 grand to go to there's only 9 12 grand to go to mizzou for
a year and it's 31 to go there like have fun then man like i guess and those people later i talked
to one of them like for the first time in almost five years just a month or two ago and he was like
yeah that was one of the
biggest mistakes I've ever made one of the biggest mistakes I've ever made and
it was because I had no idea what I was doing and people were more than happy to
say yes yes yes sign here sign here sign here you're good to go by the way you
owe us X amount of money and you're never gonna make this back and you're
gonna be a slave forever good luck buying a house that sign here sign here
it was also them providing an opportunity, but
they needed the counselor that I'm talking about.
And I wish that
people knew. If there's anyone listening to this,
apply for colleges this year.
There are tiers of schools,
right? At the very top, you've
got your Harvard's and your MIT's
and your Stanford's and such, and they
do open doors.
I've hired a lot of people and you
see like in comp sci um carnegie mellon is a really like impressive name and uh it's like
this guy's practically hired before we start talking oh yeah you get like nepotism points
when you go there you just show up in an interview it's like you went to harvard
well our cfo went to harvard so tell everybody in the waiting room to fuck right off.
You're in.
On the other hand, there's another tier of schools.
UMC, Mizzou, Clemson, University of Indiana.
I don't know.
State schools.
They're all about the same.
Good school, check.
And then there's another tier of school.
The ones you probably don't know that well,
like the William Pattersons and the Shippensbergs and stuff
that are just college, check.
You are a college graduate.
You are trained to do this job.
And really, people spend a tremendous amount of money and time and concern about
small variations in the same tier that aren't worth it.
You should really work more,
whichever is cheaper,
you know,
whichever is the best value in that tier.
Go there.
Smart way to do it is two years of community college and then transfer to a
state school.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Four years in the school is nice.
If you,
if you're in a position where you can –
it's not going to ruin the rest of your life after school.
You know, like – did you pay for your own school?
No.
No, yeah.
I was very fortunate.
So I think it's really nice if you can go to Mizzou for four years.
I would take that over two years at community college.
But if I'm paying it myself, then two years at community college is probably a good deal.
Oh, for sure.
That would have been my thing.
Absolutely. It's really you're paying
for the socialization
and the partying and everything.
Yeah.
One might argue that even the education
might be a little better at
Mizzou than community college.
Yeah, probably. Maybe not the most important
topics. Yeah. People will
go up about like, oh, I need to go to this school.
It's like, what are you majoring in?
It's like business administration.
It's like, well, you probably don't need to go to Yale for that.
You're going to get a similar thing.
Well, Yale is actually a bad example with their business school.
But you don't need to go to MIT for your business administration major.
You can go somewhere else for that.
So I did a lot of mine at night.
I don't often talk about this
because I feel like it devalues my accomplishment,
but my employer usually had some partial tuition assistance.
So they would pay, I remember I think for my undergrads,
I think they paid for half a tuition,
but half a tuition worked out to be about a third of the costs
because they didn't pay for any books
they didn't pay for the fees which were substantial you know like it's like wait a minute
tuition's five grand and fees are 2,500 more yeah okay but um so that you know I worked like
growing up jobs during the day and then I had tuition assistance and then I paid for it.
That's how,
that's how I went through school.
But I do recognize that it's more expensive now,
but,
um,
going through school,
like I,
like I remember in high school I was like applying for all the scholarships
and everything.
And like,
I got a couple like academic scholarships and then,
or I think I got one that was significant.
One that was like hunky dunky, whatever the fuck. And I, I just one that was significant one that was like hunky-dunky whatever the fuck and I just like my 18 year old
self was like scholarship that means everything's cool it's just like it is
in the Fresh Prince of Bel-Air means you're you just hop on and go and you
like see the amount you get and it's like what that's not even half one of these grands was mine i hope you appreciate what i did for you
you're adorable taylor yes i'll get the rest um but yeah i it's just such a big commitment to get
to get student loans and it's a shame that so many people get get trapped in it but i do see
your point about agency and all that.
And that loan advisor thing really is a great idea.
It's a shame they don't do that.
Yeah.
And it would have to be done impartially, right?
Like somehow have them not connected to it. And a lot of times when people are impartial, they have to be biased because they'll lose their job, right?
they have to be biased because they'll lose their job right like if you're you know i'm a big company and i make you sign something that says we don't go to court we go to arbitration okay yeah here's
this arbitration company over there if they don't rule my way in a fucking scandalous way then i'm
gonna find another arbitrator because i'm bringing the business and it's not fair arbitrators should
be but it's not i feel like that could happen to loan advisor but if they
could find some way it just it's my best idea so far a little little counseling
before you take your loan out someone who says you know why do you need 50
grand to live when tuition is 15 grand you know you you spending the extra 35
on living a lot of college kids have three roommates in their little quad suite.
You're the poorest person in America right now.
You're a student.
Think like that.
That's a good way to look at it.
You have a lot of that perspective because of how you went through it inside.
It makes sense.
Anyway, PKN 262.
Yep, just get a couple there.
All right, bye-bye.