Painkiller Already - PKN #41

Episode Date: June 4, 2015

In this weeks episode of PKN, where Taylor....is...maybe....here....no? Okay.....science!

And we're live. All right, Painkiller Nearly episode 41, here with me, Kyle, and of course, Mirka. What's up, Mirka? What? He says he's going to actually come. He's going to start being able to make it. I think I read a month ago that in a month he'll have a new job that allows him to not miss these things or something. Do you remember that? Yeah, he said something about that. I saw a tweet from him or a sub-tweet

or something like that where I think he's going in a different direction. I know he doesn't like to talk about his job too much, so I haven't really brought it up. The tweet said marketing, so I assume that aspect. Marketing, I guess. Somewhere in marketing. I think that's what the tweet said. I'm not even positive,

but I think that's what the tweet said. So, I would assume that he's getting a job somewhere in marketing, and I don't even know what. I think he may be moving as well, so maybe even a better internet connection to go along with more availability. So, we'll wait and see. Yeah, it's coming soon.

I watched Mad Max this week. Last week um the week last week i watched avengers and it was a coin flip for me if i wanted to watch avengers or mad max and the only reason i went with avengers is because i'm i'm invested in that whole thing i've seen avengers one and all the sub movies so i saw it and i liked it it was good but i didn't think it was great um i saw i saw mad max and i thought it was great really really good yeah uh so and after the fact i i didn't want to read anything about it or watch any of the too many of the previews all the previews i'd seen were just really vague and they kind of showed off the environment and the you know the film style and one of the things i like

we talk about how superman is so dull and so dull and they've turned all the contrast off. It's all dark and murky. They did the opposite with this. They turned it way up so the colors are just huge and bright and beautiful. Most of the effects are practical effects. When you see a semi-truck that's souped up with nitrous with two V8 engines sticking out of the front, like careen and flip over, like they actually did it. And they had to put their slow-mo cameras there like on the ground in the sand to get those shots. You know, CGI is amazing, but it's not as amazing as real life.

Like I was reading some article like, you know, why do we hate CGI? Why are we programmed to hate it? And it's true that back in the day it looked fake um starting with jurassic park though they started doing stuff that they just couldn't do in real life like you know you can't have those scenes star wars i they were practical effects lasers and stuff the lasers i guess but that was like old school like draw that in on the film negative when you watch those like starships crash they were models i know they used a lot of practical

effects but i i think they used they were one of the first uh to really start using special effects i thought i know i know that like star what was it the starfighter the last starfighter which came out like the same movie like it was really heavy heavy on the CGI and it looked real bad. By today's standards. When I saw that as a little kid, I thought it was incredible. They're making a sequel. It's coming soon. Are they?

That'll be neat. But yeah, I still like practical effects. I want to give CGI a chance, but as good as it is, I can't even tell you what will be wrong with this scene. Like this looks amazing. And then you see a practical effect and you're like, oh yeah, look the dirt has like a mixture of rocks built into it, like dirt wood, that they just don't get right on CGI. You know, the things bent in a way that it's kind of random and you

can just tell what's real and what's CGI. Yeah. Even if the CGI is great. This, I really like post-apocalyptic movies and seeing like what the filmmaker thinks that would be like and what would happen and this was so outrageous at times like like basically you've got this one guy in charge and he's got all the water and and everything and he's literally running like this they're running like slave labor like they're they're peddling wheels to uh to to keep him um wheels to keep the whole factory going. It's pumping water, and he's growing cabbage. I don't want to spoil the movie, but he's really got it made.

But everybody is horrific looking and freakish and covered with scars, and they're all out of their minds. It seems like the people... I didn't really get, grasp this part too well. I don't know if there was like radiation from some sort of nuclear war or if like,

it's like their genome has been damaged. They've all got tumors and stuff and they all seem to live until like 25 and then just fall apart from cancer or something and die. And there's this whole race of like warrior people and there's a, oh, like warrior people and there's a oh you don't want to hear it oh oh i didn't know that's what he was doing no i was totally waiting

for you to finish talking about the the movie okay well the movie's great you should definitely see the movie it's really good i think i will i was even looking up like where it would be tonight and stuff so it's uh it's really good and um i think they it's the best portrayal of like a female action like hero that i've ever seen take that josh whedon definitely yeah definitely better uh yeah uh what was like i had a thing i't know. Have you been advancing your new business? No. Well, not since like yesterday. It's the weekend.

I know. That's why I haven't been nagging you on the weekends. I was like, I'll save it. We bought a couch today. We don't have it, of course, but we ordered it online. Leather or fabric? Fabric. I don't know what I want. I, I'll admit that leather holds up better,

without a doubt. But I think our last couches were leather, maybe, or something. I don't know. The couches we had in Apex, my wife described as really NASCAR. And we were just trying to get something that looked a little more refined this time.

I don't know. But yeah, so we ordered new couches, which might not sound like ever that was an accomplishment. I put't know. But yeah, so we ordered new couches, which might not sound like it, but that was an accomplishment. I put up three clotheslines today. I learned to tie a bowline or a bowline, the knot, which I didn't know how to do before. I got the chainsaw out, cut down a small tree or part of a tree that fell off, cleaned that up, and laid down some landscaping fabric and mulch and I don't know, a bunch of random shit.

A bunch of woody craft stuff, of course. I got up early. I ran some, I did a bit of reading online and then I ran some civilization strats, you know, for a few hours and... My wife and daughter went out running today andin rode his bike with them and they're like you want to come i'm like no this is the perfect time for me to watch game of thrones so that's what i did did you like it i liked it uh i think i'm still a little sore at them from last week i am as well it was so bad last week they kind of ruined the show and and they got my heart

pounding a couple times this week i thought it was pretty good i i thought that um the drama was there and the tension was there and it felt like a different crew made this this part and it just seemed different and they did once again involve those wretched sand snake bitches but one of them got naked so that was kind of hot which is what she's good. That's clearly what they hired her for. Wow. Then again, I will say this. So there was like a close-up of her boob, right?

Did you see her face and the boob at the same time? Or was that a body double? I think I saw a GIF on Reddit where the whole package was there, maybe. I don't recall, though. It's hard to say. I don't like it. It's bad enough that Daenerys doesn't get naked anymore.

Yeah. Or even a hint of it. Right? Like she was paying really close attention to her like bedroom scene last night. And there's so many continuity errors because she's trying so hard to hide her tits. Her like arm will be like, so she's lying back and he's lying on top of her like in a missionary position, but they're just kind of face-to-face talking, and so his arms are

down, supporting his body, and so her arm will either be touching his arm or by her side, whichever is better to conceal her boobs. And it's just back and forth, back and forth, like 12 continuity errors in a row. Just boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. Every time it cuts back and forth, you see it.

It's ridiculous. So disappointing. I was listening to stern uh bitch about this he thinks they should fire her he said they should they should kill her off you see he's like we saw her body double she could probably fill in did she have a body double yeah yeah she looks very uh she's probably hotter yeah well i didn't i never thought denarius was um denarius to me in terms of like neck down is as you know will be one of the two or three prettiest girls you see if you go out that day but nothing unfindable sure if you ask me to get someone hotter than denarius i could go to the mall and I could come back in three hours and probably find someone. Yeah. Or several people.

Yeah. Definitely so. I talked about that the other day. You know, I was like, Athens, Georgia is 40 minutes away from here. There's 50,000 students. 25,000 of them are women at least. Probably higher because there's a lot of nursing schools. Like, just start doing the math.

What do you think? One in a thousand women are beautiful? You tell me there's 25 women there who are better looking than Charlize Theron 40 minutes from here. You're right about that one. There's a lot of beautiful people out there. Because there's a lot of people out there. But there's something to be said about the charisma and everything else that comes along with these actresses that clearly seem

to be not just beautiful but everything else you want too because they're actresses yeah although I will say one cool thing about Game of Thrones is it is not a modeling show so Jaime's good looking and Daenerys is good looking does the list end there?

the characters who are supposed to be good looking are good looking. But there's plenty of ugly, hideous people in the Game of Thrones universe. Even like Cersei, right? Cersei's not supposed to be 19 anymore. So she's not. She's good looking

but she looks like she's threatening 40. I think she's supposed to be better looking than she actually is, if I'm being fair to the books. But, you know, she's good looking. I think she's just older. But I think there's lots of hot people, but there's definitely lots of hideous people, too.

Arya's character is supposed to be really like that horse face. They made it pretty to her up a bit yeah yeah and and thin like they keep stressing how skinny aria's character is and how thin her arms are and that she's just a spindly little ugly thing and the character on tv is kind of short not chubby but like puffy faced and um you know like, puffy-faced, and, um, you know, just definitely not horse-faced. That doesn't bother me. What bothers me just a little is that, like, Samuel

Tarly still hasn't lost any weight. Was he supposed to in the books? You know, they don't mention it, but he would have to. Right. The stuff he's doing. Like, how is he staying so well-fed out there while he's like fighting white walkers and like crawling through the snow and shit. And they're starving in the books at this point.

At this point, this is books I've learned four and five sort of combined this season. And in the books at this point, there's food shortages. And that's one of the ways that they're motivating. You know how they're going out to get wildlings now? Food shortages are one of the motivating factors they get to sort of line up. So anyway, that doesn't give anything away. But yeah, so Sam should be cutting some weight. I was shocked that the religious powers that be, that new septum, has imprisoned Cersei Lannister, Marie tyrell and loris tyrell i feel

like she's she's kidnapped like the three of the top five most powerful people in the world or something like that and locked them away in the dungeons it seems like at any minute like one of two or three different armies should come and just kill all those fuckers in robes, right? What am I missing? What was Circe's crime? Fucking her cousin Lancel. Really? I mean, cousin fucking. Look out, Brian

Twin 2020. Maybe he told, maybe, I don't know. I don't know what else Lancel might have told. Maybe he told about all the evil things that she had been up to and all the plotting that you know he'd been around to witness when he was kind of fucking her and being her like oh right he's the septum guy the one who now has his forehead carved yeah yeah yeah huh so I guess he's not in any trouble either he confessed all of his crimes and now his soul is as light as a bird according to the the sparrow

guy so i'm a little confused it seems like it seems like if some of these characters needed to be powerful not too long ago they could have easily raised 20 or 30 men and just cut some people up but now they're all just it seems like this septum has gotten really powerful but i haven't seen any evidence of his power just those like thugs wearing the robes and chains and it's like I feel like someone like Littlefinger should just be able to have those people wiped out like there should be enough like hired thugs where he's like I will give you as many whores as you want like you just give like a lifetime supply of whores or something and they just go kill all these clergy guys who are clearly assholes. And then Cersei, it seems like the king, Tommen, should have some power.

Can't he call the gold cloaks? There's like 5,000 of them to go chop them up. Yeah. I wonder what will happen next. We'll see. I'm looking forward to seeing. I liked when Tommen got a little mad there and he was like, I'll bring the army in and I'll kill them all it's like yeah let's do that that would be

great that would be a nice episode to see i was making a lot of progress in the books but i haven't made any since like thursday so see i don't drink jackie takes hope to school on friday because i sleep in after the pka and then then Friday, Saturday, Sunday, and Monday, I just haven't done any driving. But I can tell you how far I am in the books. 23 hours into book five. So almost halfway. I'm not in a rush to finish because there's two more that haven't been written.

I feel like I like having a book or two ahead of me. I get curious about it. I feel like I'm understanding the book this time as well as I ever had. Keeping up with the flow of it. Part of it is how distracted I am while I listen. I want to see what happens. We'll see. I'm still worried it's just, it's a, I'm worried.

I'm still worried. It's just going to be a really bad story and everybody's going to, all the good guys are going to die. And the, and like some, and the bad guys are going to win or something like at this point, we're rooted, we're rooting for guys like Stanis Baratheon,

who's, who's a kind of an asshole. Like, like he would, I considered him more one of the villains, if anything, like a few seasons ago. He's a good guy. Just hard to like. I mean ago he's a good guy just hard

to like i mean he used magic to kill rob stark and uh uh balon grayjoy and two or three other people it seems like uh wait he used magic to kill rob stark yeah depending on who you believe. That's the thing, right? Because Tywin used the pen to kill Robb Stark, but he claims he used magic to get Tywin to use the pen, to get someone else to use the sword. I have no idea. Yeah. But the Red Woman is claiming, you know, she said three names through three leashes,

and all three of them died. It's true. Yeah. So what was I going to ask? I had a thing for you. Ah, I lost it. Tip of my tongue. Yeah, whatever. Not coming. Oh, oh, oh. Fat People Hate has been getting

a lot of interaction with Boogie lately. Have you followed it at all? Yeah, sure. I've seen all that. Boogie made a video explaining his side of Fat People Hate. He got pretty good treatment at Fat People Hate, really. Especially considering how they treat everyone else. He basically said that if you're heavy, it's because you're eating too much, you know, and it's not healthy. This healthy at every size thing is crap.

He's like, I don't like that at all. And he's something else, too, like the body acceptance thing. Like, he didn't like that either. He kind of expertly played both sides of the topic, which is to say like, yeah, yeah. These fat people hate people. They're totally right.

You know, you're not healthy at every size. This is, you know, the responsible of the heavy person, et cetera. But then at the same time, he's like,

I didn't choose this. You think I'd choose this? And, uh, you know, like I have these deep seated issues that caused me to be heavy, et cetera. And,

uh, um, I don't know. I've been watching the drama it's kind of interesting to me yeah yeah i saw that i said he was on there again today it was just like his he's like making some crazy awful fat face on purpose uh i think he was on punchable faces maybe huh i mean i'm happy for him in that i think that video is going to get a million views. So, yeah. Cha-ching! Get some Boogie. Yeah, I don't know. But yeah, anyway, Boogie's been interacting with Fat People Hate and I think that's interesting. Yeah, I think I read, I think I read through most of that. There's been a couple, he's been on

there a couple times. I have a hard time endorsing Fat People Hate because sometimes they're just too mean for me. They say fat logic is better. It's more about attacking the people who are wrong than just attacking anyone who has too much weight on them. So maybe I'll look at that. But I also like holding people to task for their position. Boogie said, you think I choose this? did right i mean you might have chose that result but you certainly made all the choices that led to it and uh no you know that i i just did i kind of line up with the whole like you know let's drop the hypothyroid stuff let's drop your big bone thing let's drop you know all the excuses and just work on like what got us here and how we get out.

Yeah, it's calories in and calories out in the end. There's other factors that can complicate things a little bit, you know, 5% or 10%. But when you get to a certain level, you've got to realize that it's 99% you at that point. Calories in and calories out. I swear this is going to sound crazy to anyone who hears this, but I swear that's going to be deemed a fad in a few years just because everything else has been. You think it's impossible, and I saw the eye roll.

You couldn't miss it. And you say, oh, it's just physics, right? But at some point they're going to be like, well, no, there's good calories. There's carbs are bad. There's this. There's that. Our bodies are engines. Our bodies are engines. Our bodies are engines that burn fuel.

Just think of it the same way. You can put regular unleaded in there, you can put high octane gasoline in there. If it's a tough engine like a deuce and a half, those things can run on lighter fluid. That's what we are. We're a really tough engine that will run on just about anything you put in us. You can put vegetable oil in there and yeah, we'll run just fine. But we'd be a lot better off with some high quality diesel in there. We just would be. So you keep running your engine on vegetable oil and you're going to end up like those people that get mocked on the internet. It's a no brainer. It's okay to have some vegetable

oil every now and then. It's funny. It makes your truck smell like a French fry. But for the most part, you don't, you do that in emergencies. You can't run your engine on shit all the time. Yeah. I just, at some point. Especially not too much shit. Like are calories from sugar and calories from vegetables the same thing? In terms of fat, I don't know.

I just ask these questions because I feel like in my entire life, we've never sort of landed on an answer. However, calories in and calories out is close enough to make you lose weight. All these things are close enough to make you lose weight. The paleo diet is crazy. Eat only things that cavemen ate because our bodies evolved to do whatever. If you break it down, it kind of just removes all the damn, you know, ho-hos from your diet, you know? If you remove processed food, you're probably fine, if we're

being honest. It works. Sugar's not that bad, but some of the ways we intake sugar are awful. A lot of these diets that, you know, the Beverly Hills diet, the South Beach diet, all these things, when you get away from, like, you know, the quirky little diet, all these things. When you get away from like, you know, the quirky little part of it, typically just steer you away from bad foods. Atkins is similar. Like, you know, it's, it's, I like the Atkins diet because I feel like it cuts out the things that are, carbs get converted straight into sugar. That seems like a bad thing. That makes sense in my head to me. It's like you know i know it's turning into sugars too many sugars it's no good and i like meat and it just has always seemed to work when i when i when i try to lose and when i remember when x jaws was getting heavy and he was wanting to diet plan that's the one i gave him i wonder what he's

doing now trying his best i I would say. Because that's what he's always done. Whether he's doing something ridiculous. Now you get an eye roll. Whether he's doing something ridiculous that we would think is insane, or whether he's hitting the books and starting at square one,

or whether he's working in his father's business or he's trying to get investors. One way or another, you can bet that he's trying real hard to get where he thinks he wants to go. I'm not saying he's always been on the right path. I'm just saying he's always moving. I would even argue against... I mean, it's a side effect.

Okay. Like, for example, the end of his YouTube career, it wasn't when people stopped liking him. It was when he stopped making videos. What happened was summer rolled around. He got excited about going to his beach house, then went to his beach house, and he quit towards the end of school

so that he could go and play all summer long. And that's what he did. He and his friends on, I think, Avalon or something like that, they went to the Jersey Shore, and he just hung out with his friends, and you can imagine what they were doing, chasing girls and whatever. And then that's when YouTube turned on him.

They're like, you know, X-Jaws, you left us. And they just didn't welcome him back. They might today. I don't know. But people do. It seems like every time someone does a comeback, it's pretty well received at first. But it wasn't that he was hustling. It's that he was slacking.

And that was the start of everything. That's when the drugs started. And that's when the work stopped. then after that everything else just seemed like bullshit you know like a like what you call hustling and trying at his next thing to me seemed like slacking you know a steady information diet of netflix is not is not hustling i'm not referring to that though but you know he was out like he was making it seemed like he was making connections meaning making contacts finding people who he could um you know get to further his uh his goals it seemed like he was meeting a lot of celebrities and

people like that and and minor ones but but still he was getting connected with people that that could help him with his with what he was doing and i know he was doing some stock trading at one point which mayor which wasn't exactly legal but he was doing some stock trading at one point, which wasn't exactly legal, but he was stock trading. I don't know. Sometimes he's doing insider trading stuff. No, not that. It was illegal because he was underage.

Oh, yeah. I've heard insider claims too. And it's like, I don't wonder if that's even true. I don't have any... I couldn't do insider trading if I wanted to. There's no one telling me anything. Oh, yeah. I don't know where his connections were at like 17 that got him.

No, it wasn't anything like that. I've heard that to be said. It's funny. He said other stuff too. I remember he made a big bet that Greece would do better. I don't know how you do that, whether you bet on their currency or their loans or whatever. how you do that whether you bet on their currency or their loans or whatever but um he was like it's obvious to me that you know people are going to come and bail out greece and that situation will get resolved and at the time i completely agreed i didn't bet my money on it but it was like yeah

countries don't just go into like have this much trouble like i can't remember a country that just like like greece went under yeah countries don't go under someone bails them out and uh I can't remember a country that just, like Greece. Went under. Yeah, countries don't go under. Someone bails them out. And it seems like Greece is still in trouble. They didn't get bailed out. I'm sure X-Jaws isn't in that position anymore. Yeah, I think the way they were betting on it,

I think they were investing maybe in the currency even of Greece or something like that. They were hoping that when there was some injection of $120 billion or some bullshit, it was going to bolster the whole economy and everything was going to... The wheels were going to begin turning again. It was just a stall. And yeah, like you, I was like, yeah. Makes sense. Makes sense.

Yeah. I wasn't about to give him any money. There was a time when I was a bit tempted to give him some money because it seemed like he was just doing really well. There was a time when it was just like, oh, yeah, we made $40,000 on this one, made $10,000 on that one, tripled this money. And I was just like, if I give him $5,000, will he give me $15,000 next week? I've been around so many stock braggers, though. I was never convinced. At Cisco, there were plenty of people, lots of people,

especially in the dot-com days, but even after that, who were just like, I made $5,000 here, $12,000 there, $19,000 here. And I'm like, dude. Why are you here? Yeah. The gains you've told me about for the last six months are more than you'll make here this year. I think you're full of shit.

I wouldn't say that. I'd think it, though, really loud. I think you're full of shit. I think you're not telling me about all your losses. I think that was maybe the case with XJaws 2, where the gains were loud and proud and the losses were quiet and buried. Well, I hope he's doing well. I, I, I like Sam.

I really do. He's never done anything wrong to me. I know he's been shitty to you, but I don't, I don't hope for like bad things to happen to him. Yeah, he's certainly, I, I've, I've gotten over all the shitty stuff he's done to me um but mostly i'm just curious he's like another like i find wings his life to be really interesting all its ups and all of its downs and x jaws you know while not a beautiful life is leading an interesting one i messaged wings

the other night i told him he should uh he should start playing civilization with us he did not reply he would not do well oh he'd do so well oh he'd do so well when like the mp warriors start like going into his homeland or something like i i don't feel like he would be able to stomach it well at all. I feel like he would take losses worse than I do. It would be great. You didn't take that first loss. Well, I,

I, so you were quiet a lot and it wasn't obvious to me that you were having a really horrible time. Like I didn't, I didn't understand that the silence meant that this was the worst night of your life. It wasn't that it was just, it was,

it really was frustration because So here's the thing. We didn't want this to be a nine-hour civilization game. So I had come up with a way to make it a three-hour civilization game. And if three or four different things hadn't went wrong, it would have been about a three-hour civilization game.

Because I've practiced this before. It takes about three hours and everybody just dies. You can't beat it. But Chiz had an awful city spot. It really was bad. You know when you usually look at it and you turn the resources on, and you're like, oh, there's bubbles everywhere? There were three bubbles.

He had three total resources in his spot. At the bottom, it was three or four tiles of sand, and at the top, there was like a pool like a like just a pool of water that was shaped like a cigar or something and then above that it was just tundra it was awful that that set us way back because he's the one that's supposed to be going ahead in science so that i can build the uh the english longbows the longbows have you can build them as soon as you research machinery which we had it turned 50 and they shoot uh they have the same range as artillery so they just crush enemy cities so if he had been if you

if you guys had been in a different position if he hadn't had that citadel if he hadn't had all those there's a pka quote of you saying you can't blame your spawn you can't you got outplayed i wish i could find it. This is different, though. This really is. It is. I get it. You guys had a bad spawn. I didn't know if you were telling the truth or not. I know that you guys were saying you were willing to reset the games. I kind of thought you might have had a bad spawn.

I wanted to reset that game so bad. It was awful. I didn't know. Because when you play Kyle and Civ, you can't count on anything being true. That doesn't make any sense. Like, what would I have to gain by resetting? You know, I don't try to decipher which things are true and which things are false. I assume they're all untrustworthy.

I don't use them. It's a lie that doesn't make any sense, though. I'm admitting to you that I'll benefit from resetting, and I'm telling you exactly how I'll benefit by getting a decent spot so it's so the first game we played uh you went after monkey kind of early i thought um you planted the city right now i realized you planted that second city probably because there weren't a lot a lot of better choices and you know whatever you're just trying to expand and make a fort this is why this is how the game is that works so it's a three-hour game we're going to kill him in three hours and then

the game's over or you whoever'd been closer but it was him and he was in rough terrain the the whole point is to put that city there and that city's just an outpost you can you can't upgrade units when they're away you can't heal them as fast so this is a place where I can heal and upgrade units and buy units That's all it was it's connected to my city into Chizu City with a road And he's lying the whole time these are all defensive units. This is all defense It's all to like kill him. They're all long So it's it's probably one of the most powerful units in the game at that point it's it's awesome, but the problem was that

one of the most powerful units in the game at that point it um it's awesome but the problem was that attacking there were a lot of problems one of them is it's a lot of things came together to make that not work out and it just didn't so at that point it was clear the game was over like there's no point so we ended that one and then we started another one but at that point i was sieved out like i had one i was done i hung my hat i was happy and uh and then hope played so and it's all on film you can see it you know i'm i'm literally dancing and doing 360s in my chair while hope is playing sieve and then it came time for her to go to bed and i look and i'm like i am in a happiness hole and i'm earning like one gold per turn like i was almost in a money and happiness hole simultaneously and uh i turned it around to some extent but monkey was stuck in the corner like he couldn't do what he wanted to do we boxed

him in you boxed in monkey and i don't want to put her down she can probably hear but you didn't have to do anything to hope and uh she doesn't play multiplayer there it's a completely different thing that's but you weren't attacking her it should have been a stronger civilization i thought but no see in the if she had had other ais in there you can just trade luxuries with them and stay happy all the time but we weren't trading we refused it would it's a lot easier to play a single player the ais don't so she was new to multiplayer, and I took over, and I fixed actually both the money and the happiness. And my plan was just to try to pump enough money to Monkey that he could defend himself, you know, just buy units and such.

But you guys started getting ahead in tech, and it was like... We were four techs ahead. Yeah, it was like, ah, this is not going to win. And right then when Chiz disconnected, we started having those problems. It was like about to's not gonna win so and that we like right then when uh like chis disconnected we started having those problems it was like about to kick off i forgot it was about to kick off like so we were waiting to get our our special unit our unique unit it was the the winged hussar because monkey's fucking companion cavalry is so dominant early game he's he starts out with two really really good units units. He's got Companion Cavalry that replaces Horseman,

and they're faster and stronger, and he gets, like, Upgraded Spearman. I can't remember what they're called. Hoplite. He gets, like, Hoplite, which is, like, Upgraded Spearman. So whether you attack him with horses or spears or swords, he's got a better unit for, like, the first 50 turns or something like that.

Yeah, he, Monkey's good at the game. I will say this though. So I think Monkey might have been the best player in the game. It's hard to tell, you know, it could have been anybody, but I thought Monkey might have been the strongest player. He likes to beat deity on single player solo. It's a different skill set though. I will say this. I think no matter how many times we replay that, Chiz and I will win. I think the first game was beyond a fluke. I really do. And the second game, we were ahead.

You score a lot, but we were ahead and scored the whole game. And by the end of the game, it was like double your score. So Monkey got locked into a corner and Hope couldn't play. Monkey got outplayed. That's how he got locked into the corner. We put him in the corner and kept him there. Because he said it.

We were live streaming, and he said he was going for this area, so you guys went there first. Well, I think he was already, more or less, that was part of it. But, I mean, it was an area right between him and Chiz. It was the contested territory. And then I stole his settler and I took it. And I turned him into a worker. And then I had that worker start building a road.

He's still building a road somewhere. Yeah, I mean, had that not been a live stream, that might have gone the other way. You know, had you not been in a call with him, that might have gone another way. You know, he would have had that second city there, and then he wouldn't have been boxed in. I mean, you boxed him in because you were in a call with him where he had badly announced his own strategy. That's true. Well, that's, no, because. You said it was true on the live stream we should play it back

well what i said was true was that he said that out loud but adding to that chis had already built a settler and he had sent it down to that area and he was asking me where he should go he's like i could take kilimanjaro and i and he's like i think i want to go down there and put a city next to kilimanjaro and i said yeah do that that's where he wants to put a city so to Kilimanjaro. And I said, yeah, do that. That's where he wants to put a city. So I don't feel like anything got influenced. He was already going to do it. It was a different story on the stream. Well, I didn't want to expound

and tell a whole long, boring story about it. I don't think Monkey is as good as Chiz and I are. And I think that no matter how many times we replay that, he's going to lose. He really is a one-trick pony when it comes down to it. He's played the same Civ every single time. He's done the same tactic every single time. He builds those

two really powerful units that only his Civ gets early in the game. He plays defense and he makes city-state friends. I don't know. I haven't seen him warp ahead in tech or in culture or start getting theming bonuses or even build more than two cities.

I think that one of the weakest parts of my game is I haven't learned how to go wider than I already do. If I could build four cities, I would be a great player. If I could build five or six, I'd be a really great player. I can only handle about three. I'm the same way.

And I always play wide, but I'd still max out at three-ish I mean I've had four but later in the game it's hard to manage all that in a multiplayer game and to know when to get them out like there's a build order you have to get them out so early to like have them be effective at any point in the game yep yep well that late game I swear they grow quicker whether it's because you can ship them stuff or you know by the time I'm starting my third city that thing starts off with two or three workers you know so that you I'm really getting more out of it than I otherwise would I can have that third city and then a road connecting the

other cities in a hurry to get me you know making money and then I imagine a lot of people don't want to hear about civ talk i feel like it's done out but uh but yeah anyway i i third city's go late cities are better 10 turns later than a original city yeah you can feed them a lot more yeah because your other cities you know bulk them up um i'm trying to think so what else are the fat table did i i hate to what happened on the um hangout oh i just it just didn't happen i slept late the uh i slept late and then i thought that my phone would wake me up but it just didn't it was on vibrate and it did not wake me up so i slept through the hangout again this is two in a row it's it. It totally is. It's Saturday nights.

I'm usually up really late Saturday nights. It's not an excuse, but it's what happened. So I apologize to all those that I stood up, I guess. Stop it. I mean, Taylor's never come to one. That's true. I'm there 90 percent of the time that's pretty good i won't miss anymore i apologize to you guys and apologize to you woody for standing you all up thank you uh they start writing me on reddit you know woody i know you say patreons

are wealthy and handsome but we should get what we paid for. And I'm like, I'm sorry. I keep calling him. I texted him. Yeah, I had just been up really late. Here's what happened. Here's exactly what happened. I went to bed early because I knew I had to do the thing.

And I woke up two hours later. And I was just wide awake. And I tossed and turned for a while. And I tried to go back to sleep. And it just wasn't happening. And by this time, it was like 4.30 in the morning. So I was like, all right I tossed and turned for a while and I tried to go back to sleep. It just wasn't happening. By this time, it was like 4.30 in the morning. I was like, all right, I'll get up. We'll start the day at 4.30 in the morning.

I drank three cups of coffee and I fell asleep at around 10 a.m., I'm going to say. I was like, this will be fine. The phone will wake me up. Chiz will text me. Time to go. Time to do the show. It'll wake me up. I'll hop out of bed, take a 10-. The phone will wake me up. Chiz will text me. Time to go. Time to do the show. It'll wake me up. I'll hop out of bed, take a 10-minute shower, and be on the show.

It just was on. I didn't know it was on Vibrate. It shouldn't have been. Usually, Vibrate will wake me up, but I slept through all of that. That's what happened. I haven't been sleeping through the night either like i i know i made my big pitch for melatonin and i still stand by it melatonin is good stuff but like i've said what

it does is it creates a window in which you fall asleep and then after that it's over it doesn't make you crash all night long and that's what what I want sometimes. Let me tell you what Ambien did to me the other night. I took one and a half Ambien. I think one is the dosage you're supposed to take maybe. Right. But it usually doesn't get me through the whole night. So I took one and a half of these things. And then apparently between the hours of midnight and two,

I sent some weird text messages to some people. Just nothing like embarrassing embarrassing but just weird like bizarre like just like you know asking them about wrenches and stuff and uh i uh i started telling all these really inappropriate stories uh to my girlfriend all kind of ridiculous things i was telling her um just just really and you're like sleep talking in your sleep no no i'm sitting up fucking Adam. I don't remember any of this. I don't remember any of it.

Not, not one bit. This is sleepwalking. It sounds like is what this would be considered. I don't know what you'd call it, but like I told you before, Ambien can be kind of hallucinogenic and make you kind of high and fucked up if you, if you don't fall asleep. Well, I can only imagine that I dozed off and then popped right back to sleep and the me that popped back to sleep was like fucked up having a like hallucination me and i was very um susceptible to questioning apparently and like went on and talked about a bunch of like all kinds of ridiculous stories and then like two or three text messages to like two

or three different people just random shit it was i don't remember any of it uh and i've never had anything like that happen before so how did she reply was she entertained by this was she uh upset with what you had to say a little of both i think i had said some hurtful things that i didn't even mean by the way she she was like you said this and that and i was like but that's not even true i was like i don't even i don't believe that nor is it a true thing like like i told you a sleepy lie like a bad one that makes me like a non-self-serving sleepy lie that's what this is don't don't think anything of this and that's what it was it was so bizarre uh i'm trying to think what else i did oh but i'm not gonna take any more ambient uh i don't think i can't you're done with it yeah i'm gonna have to um ship it i think i think the trick is but i'm not gonna take any more ambient i don't think i can't you're done with it yeah i'm

gonna have to um ship it i think i think the trick is just i'm gonna have to be more physically active during the day and then and burn some energy off and uh get back to running a little bit and and maybe that'll help maybe maybe i'll be uh be able to sleep through the night because last night i couldn't do it either i kept waking up and uh kept waking up with like cold sweats which is which is awful i do that a lot do you ever do you have this you ever wake up drenched in sweat i've had it not lately i have it a lot and i don't think it's because of any particular stressor or anything it's always happened it's usually i think it's i think it's nightmare driven i think i have these nightmares that i can't remember and i wake up and i'm just drenched to the point where it's like yeah like so when I take a t-shirt off I grab it here and just pull

it straight over my head like a child but I guess like you always see women in the movies they like reach down and grab like by their hips and sort of pull off like that or whatever and I even saw the crazy Russian hackers YouTube channel I guess there's a way to like take off your shirt where you like reach in here and take it off with one hand but the shirt will be so plastered to my body that i've got to like bend over and just like do this over the head pull down thing not good so i'm uh i'm gonna have to stop taking the ambient and maybe get some more exercise and i might i might try some melatonin but it sounds like you're not sleeping through the night either it'll definitely get you to sleep on time and to but sleeping through the night i can't claim

that all day. And I really like having a good sleep schedule. You catch me by Wednesday and I'm bragging about it. Oh yeah, early to bed, early to rise. We've got no curtains in this house. It just makes your sleep schedule, I have some now, but it just makes your sleep schedule good. And we don't have anything like blackout. And we get up in the morning. We're having breakfast together on the porch outside. It's a wonderful life. Then after PKA, I'm sleeping until noon. Or maybe I don't.

So I'll sleep from like 2 to 6. And now I'm not sleeping again at 11 or 10.30 or whatever. And yeah, I probably could handle it better than i do you know like like all right i'm exhausted it's six power through for five more hours and go to bed 11 and get this thing fixed instead i'm like well i'll just nap now and that doesn't fix anything yeah it's dude so many youtubers have sleep issues tons Tons. Like, all of them. You know, it's hard to find many YouTubers that never let their schedule go weird. It's easy to do.

And it can be convenient to do it sometimes. And sometimes it feels like the right thing to do. It's like, no, I'm going to stay up and get this done. But once you're in the loop, it could be tough. Go on. I was just thinking about wings and the rotation of the earth and everything. I remember wings. He used to blame PKA for him not being up for PKA.

Do you remember that? He'd be like, PKA made me stay up till midnight. I like an old man schedule. I can't stay up till midnight. That's why I slept through PKA, you know, the start of it. Or he'd even exaggerate. He'd be like, he'd say two or three in the morning. And I think there was like one PKA that like went like to two in the morning or something because of tech issues.

But like, yeah, yeah. He'd say that like his sleep schedule is messed up because of staying up late to do the show. And that's why the next following week he might've slept through the show or something. Yeah. But we do the show from like eight to 12 and it's like staying up till midnight on a Friday night for a 26 year old.

Isn't that crazy? Yeah. Yeah. It doesn't make any sense, but apparently he's struggling again now. He did. Yeah. I guess it was his podcast where he said he was going to kill himself after he runs out of money.

He always grabs a 1911 and makes the point that this is the final step. Whenever things are going bad, he'll enumerate the things that are going bad. He'll say, well, if this happens, well, then that's going to happen. And when that happens, it's game over. Then this happens. And he's kind of said that in one way or another about one circumstance or another,

probably three times now, I guess. You might be shooting low. Four or five. and he'll often punctuate it with the fucking gun he's like with this this gun right here with with and he'll have like the special this bullet see it's real yeah lots of cavitation there like you know it's always something remember when he bought the hollow point 45s and like posted like them on top of the plastic bag that like he carried it home in on facebook yeah i've told him a few times he doesn't need to do that um that's that's that's not something he should do uh if it's a genuine like cry for help like that's first of all that's

not how you want to do that and i don't think it is i think it's just him airing his his like immense frustrations with the way things are going i don't think it is i think it's just him airing his his like immense frustrations with the way things are going i don't think in the end he would hurt himself i really don't i don't think so either but it you know i don't know what what what time will bring either you know like a bad year will put you you know in a bad spot a bad two years a bad five years but you know a bad decade he's still got a little time left like it's hopeless the door's closing on him but it's not shut i feel like if if he if he were to start actually losing weight

you know start actually losing 12 15 pounds a month or whatever you want to call healthy and consistent weight loss um and just keep that up for a year or two and keep doing what he can on on youtube and twitch then there might be a thin jordy who can have better employment opportunities and a brighter outlook on life do you think jordy would do as well i don't know i maybe he'll do better that's quite possible i think if if wings the cockier he is the more sometimes the more entertaining he is i think i think he's entertaining when he's cocky and he's entertaining when he's whatever the opposite of cocky is when he's like downtrodden and i like lowest early on

wings used to be really bold about like i do this for the money motherfucker i'm here to rule this joint i'm gonna be the new king of youtube and everyone else is like what no the money nah that it's just a pleasant byproduct of something i do anyway and wings is like pay me bitches pay me and and i really thought that was fun in hindsight everyone should have done that from the start um but but yeah he would write rap songs about you know like he was the king you know like yeah and it just like i forget that it's just so outright like i'm gonna rule this town i'm getting paid i'm making money i'm you know i'm the best at cod there's ever been and that was a fun jordy yeah now Now is Jordy. He was happy.

Actually, he, he would look back on his time at Met glass as his down years. You know, he was going there. He couldn't be happy. Did he quit or get laid off at that glass? I don't recall.

I don't recall either. And, but you know, he was making some money there. He treated himself to those couches, which I just later learned. He later learned he leased her. There was a payment schedule on those couches. I thought he bought them

but it is a payment schedule. Anyway, but he treated himself to really nice couches when he was working at Met Glass and doing his thing and now he looks back at Met Glass as the good years. He was fitter. He was thinner, he was up.

He sees, like his perception of himself at Met Glass was kind of like a Jeremy body, right? Jeremy doesn't have a six pack, or at least not that I know of. But he was kind of a country boy strong. And that's how Wing saw himself um you know at that time but like a bubba as he would put it yeah a bubba a country strong type guy and i think he looks back at metglas as his golden years and not youtube yeah i don't know yeah i hope i hope the best for him but i see he's in a down spot uh sort of a

he's down right now so i haven't got a lot of a lot of things he's a plastic bag in the wind man up down left right it goes it never stops isn't that a katie perry song oh god i hope not i hope not i thought i was being clever i. I quickly brainstormed for something that goes up and down all the time. That's totally a Katy Perry song. I don't know if those... That's one of the main lyrics, I think. It's like, you're like a trash bag in the wind. He's a slutty girl's ponytail.

It's just going up and down. You can never tell when it's finished. Trash bag in the wind. Maybe I'm wrong. Katy Perry. Katy Perry. Oh, it's the lyrics to fireworks. Do you feel like a plastic bag drifting through the wind? Wanting to start again.

Do you ever feel so paper thin? Like a house of cards. One blow from caving in. Well, I wonder if wings feels like a plastic bag, so paper thin. I hope not. I hope not, too. Is that a show? Let's see.

Where are we on this thing? I'd like to do one more topic. You got one? Mm-hmm. Do I have a topic? You're like, I'd like to do one more topic. You got one? Do I have a topic? You're like, I'm willing to, Woody. But you're going to have to feed it. Yeah.

I don't have one. You don't have one. I don't think. All that's going on with me right now is I'm looking forward to like to dinner and and civilization I've got a new user uh user uh I don't know what you call it the um it's a whole different overlay for the whole for the civ game with a lot more information in it I'm going to start using oh like a mod it's not it's a mod that everybody can use though it's it's like a it's a mod that it's like a multiplayer mod i suppose but it's not a mod it's something else i don't know how to put it on i'm going to work with chiz on this but it gives you all the info all the information that you're actually craving

when you hover over something it gives you a lot of information you didn't have before and the unit management's a lot easier well i have a joke i haven't told a joke in pkn for a while let's hear that if i have four cheeseburgers in one hand and five pies in the other hand, what do I have? Tell me. A feminist's undivided attention. Oh, that's good.

I like that. Let me see if I have any more bad jokes i keep seeing it reposted that girl who uh i guess she had tweeted something like when his weight or when his height begins with five and then she's like biting her lip and like rolling her eyes like she's grossed out by some guy she's like i don't want anything to do with like a five foot tall guy. And then the meninist tweets back at her, when your weight begins with 200. Yeah, it should just say two. Because she's probably not 20.

Yeah, totally. Yeah, when your weight begins with two. Yeah, I hate that. I see examples of that all over. I guess it's Fat People Logic maybe. I see it posted there where there's like Tinder chats going back and forth. And the chick asks him how tall he is. And he's like six foot two. And there's like um tinder chats going back and forth and the chick asked him how tall he is and he's like six foot two and she's like oh great that's that's great

I only like tall guys he's like how much do you weigh you're like what does that have to do with anything yeah I have seen that too right it I I feel like women in the short hate thing is coming and by the way short starts at 4 11 5'11 in some of these cases. Yeah. I think that's above average height. It definitely is. I feel like in the United States, I think it's like 5'10 or something like that. Yeah. Dumb women.

Alright, here you go. Ready? A couple found a painting in an art gallery. The painting showed three black men eating two sandwiches on a bench all naked, yet the man in the middle had a white penis and no sandwich. The couple looked at the painting and puzzled. They asked the curator what it meant.

Said, well you see, the painting is a result of the artist expressing his views on racism. The white penis on the black man shows that they were all on the same fundamental level and that we should treat each other as equals. After a long explanation, the stereotypical Scottish man comes up to the couple, hey, you know all that curator said about, all that stuff the curator said is complete

and utter shit. And they said, really? What do you know about the painting? I'm the one who painted the bloody thing. It means nothing. It's a painting of three Scottish coal miners eating lunch after their shift covered in soot and dirt because why does the middle one have a white penis he went home for lunch

i hate your jokes you always have the word i'm just tasting that's the point you're supposed to always bad that. That one was too long. But, yeah. All right. You want to call it a show? Sure. All right. PKN episode 41.

Thanks, everybody. Yeah.