Painkiller Already - PKN #52

Episode Date: August 21, 2015

This week's PKN, the guys talk more politics and survival trip!

Now we're live. Alright, second time's a charm. Little graphics error, first time. Yeah, no worries. Painkiller Nearly, episode 52. Welcome, Kyle. Good to be here. How are you? I'm great.

Alright, so, um... I'm trying to think. We had a couple things. You've been working on videos lately. You haven't done your shoot yet. Yeah, I worked the last three or four days, I guess. Been running around. Trump? You want to talk talk about trump trump is keeping up the crazy i'm a little nervous a lot of people listen to painkiller nearly a week delayed because they're not patreons by the way if you uh if you want to get this right as it comes out consider signing up for

patreon makes you sexy and you get painkiller nearly early and in video. But I guess we'll talk about it anyway. So I watched this part of the debate live when Megyn Kelly said, you've described women as like fat pigs, slobs, something, something, something. I hope I have those two right. And he's like, but only Rosie O'Donnell. And everybody loved it. Right. Funny punchline, et cetera.

It was a good comeback and nobody voting in the Republican primaries is gonna be pro Rosie O'Donnell. So it was like, I'm not insulting women, I'm insulting a woman. And I think he has a clever point on that, by the way. Trump, I think he's a flawed guy, but I don't find him to be a woman hater or a misogynist. He just, you know, when he doesn't like a person,

sometimes he insults their looks. People insult his hair. He must get 150,000 hair insults daily, right? He calls one fat person fat and suddenly he hates women? No. If you want to make the case that he's not presidential, I can hear you there. If you want to make the case that he draws out the long swords when the daggers are more appropriate, maybe I can hear that too. But the case that he hates women, I'm not buying it.

So do you want to jump in rush limbaugh was talking about this today he pointed out that trump has a lot of uh women in like high ranking positions in his companies and you know he he depends on women he's got women uh on his on his uh board of directors and a lot of his bigger companies that he trusts women and he's not a misogynist he he agreed with you or you agreed with him. Either way, he basically said, Trump just doesn't take any shit. When they go after Trump, he doesn't want to play those BS political games.

They're like, yeah, it's all part of the game. They get to say this about me and I'll say this about them. But he doesn't do that. He's just like, no. And he'll call them a name. He'll call them a pinhead. That's Bill O'Reilly. What does he call people?

He's always, Trump will call someone stupid. Trump will call you ugly. Trump will attack your physical appearance. And when he does it to women, suddenly they've made it an anti-woman thing. But I feel like it's not. Yeah, and then he said. I saw this tweet where he was speaking of a woman. And he said something like, I guess that's what will happen to your brain when you're too ugly to date.

Something like that. That's funny. So now Megyn Kelly asked him that question during the debates, and I thought he handled it okay, I guess. But it's really the same question he's been getting a lot. They say that you don't behave presidentially. You attack people. You took Lindsey Graham's phone number and you gave it to everyone on TV.

So is that the sort of thing you're gonna do when your opponent's not Lindsey Graham but instead is like Vladimir Putin? And it's like, oh, that's an interesting point. You know, the antics that are doing so well for him now wouldn't fit so well in the job that he's auditioning for. But they turned this into a woman-hating thing, and I don't think that's what's in his heart.

Now, he said, you know, Megyn Kelly, oh, my God, she asked that question with such venom. The blood was coming out of her eyes, coming out of her whatever. And a lot of people interpreted that to mean that she was on her menstrual cycle and that she was on a period and that she was hormonal or something like that. When he first said, like, no, when I finished that, I was going to say my ear, coming out of her ears, coming out of her nose, because those are common expressions. I believed him when I saw it, because I first read it.

Then when I heard him say it, like the inflection, it sounded like he was talking about a period to me. I don't know, I can't read the guy's mind, but he's like, oh the blood was coming out of her eyes, it was coming out of her, whatever, right? And it was just like, I don't think nose was the next thing coming to his head i did you hear it verb like in the audio i didn't i didn't hear it um i read it and i i that's what he does that's exactly what he was doing when he when he was saying john mccain wasn't a hero like like he's he it's it's sarcasm

it's it's. He says something without outright saying it, or he says it in a way that he can defend it later, but he's just double-talking. It's double-talk. No, he's outright said, like, ah, she must be on her period. When he said I was talking about her ears and her nose,

he should have let me finish. One, he stopped. He acts like he was interrupted he was not interrupted i 100 guarantee you as an expert on interrupting that's not what interrupting is he just he kind of like caught himself is what it sounded like to me and when i heard his explanation i bought it and then i heard the audio of him saying it afterwards and that's when i stopped buying the explanation so yeah i don't care what he says or does he's really entertaining uh I'm looking forward to the next the next debate and the one after that I hope he's still like kicking it you know in February

March of next year I hope he's still up there 30 40 percent in the polls I hope he keeps growing you know as we speak I'm sorry I see expert interrupting he's extending his lead you told me he's extending his lead it's told me. He's extending his lead. It's bigger, it's 30-something now. And Cruz is the second best guy? Yep, that's interesting too. I watched Ted Cruz deal with somebody who was trying to shout him down at a protest.

It was about the Iran deal that Obama's done and if I remember it was about that and basically he's like hey if you want to shout me down then you'll have to go but if you want to debate this let's talk and he called out like one of the people there they were like code pink or something or they had pink shirts on and the first guy was like he was a young black guy with a afro like out to like a stylish afro I'll call it and he was like if you want to talk we'll do the thing and I feel like I've seen people do that before like I'm they'll hand a mic to someone especially a young person and then they freeze like I wasn't

really prepared for an oral presentation. I thought I was just going to sort of fuck with you. But they all said like, no, no, no, let her speak instead. And then this woman was older than me. She was probably 50 something. And she tried to go toe-to-toe with Ted Cruz and he handled it really, really well. And he expressed his points. I feel like, I don't know if I can trust Ted Cruz,

but I feel like I learned a little more about the deal. You know, when Obama talks about it, he's mostly saying like, we're giving them some money, and in exchange, they're gonna let these inspectors in. They're gonna take all the weaponized plutonium they have so far and they're gonna ship it out. They're gonna do this, they're gonna do ship it out. They're going to do this. They're going to do that.

But he really focuses on the concessions that they made. Ted Cruz really focuses on what we're giving them. And it's a lot of money, right? It's not like we're giving them a million. I think it's in the billions. It's a lot. I may have my numbers wrong. I think it's well worth $250 billion if you actually get them to stop.

What's another fucking war going to cost? It'll cost another trillion. It will. I'm sure we could destroy the Iranians if we wanted to. It wouldn't be that bad. I think it would be a lot harder than Iraq, but we would destroy Iran in a year. And after we do, then Syria will be mad at us. They'll be the next one.

That's year two! After we destroy Syria, now Egypt is like, what the fuck? You just kill Muslims all the time. It'd be the United States against the Middle East. So we need to stop having trillion dollar wars. They were talking about what could be done with

the money that was spent on the Iraq war the other day, and it seemed to me, by my accounting, that you could have bought homes for millions of Americans. Or you could have paid off the student debt of everyone. You could have given everyone a free ride. It was like, imagine if every child in the United States automatically had free college for the next 50 years. I feel like that would raise us up on the, I feel like we would just become a much more powerful, greater nation if that were true. But instead, we like, we killed like 100,000 Iraqis. Yeah, yeah.

And 250 billion makes me, like, you make a pretty powerful argument. Like, 250 billion in cash to save a war is a discount. You know? You just saved us $750 billion. And I want to say it was $150 billion. I was just making up a number that I thought would be appropriate. That's the number I'd be comfortable with if I were president.

I'm just trying to Google real quick. I don't know if this is a reliable website. Let's see if it has a number on it. I don't want to go too long, especially with just a two-person thing. But yeah, I remember it being a hundred and fifty billion, but I don't know for sure and uh so anyway where i was headed with that is someone was heckling cruise and he handled it really really well did you see black lives matter talking to bernie sanders yeah i saw we watched it together i think oh yeah i know all about that thing yeah that was fucked up did you see that punchable faces subreddit got fucking like taken over and everybody got kicked out and they deleted like every top post of all

time before like six days ago and now and now the new rule is no no faces are allowed on on punchable faces like no no i i yeah what i did see was that like 15 16 of the top 20 posts in punchable faces was the lady who interrupted bernie sanders what i'm describing is the result of that right i didn't i didn't know what you're doing that's that sucks so punchable faces is pretty much ruined um like because you can't put human faces on it anymore and that's what now there's like pictures of like there was like a restaurant mascot and like a tarantula and it was just like well this is super lame like like this is this isn't funny at all the whole point of punchable faces was people whose face look punchable who are obnoxious looking or people you just don't like it's funny there's a i i'd never heard the

term punchable faces until wings of redemption introduced me to it and he was describing i think his name was raw instinct is he the guy that copied all the team art videos i think he is the guy that copied the videos i don't know if he has a punchable face though i don't know either but wings of redemption said that he had a punchable face and I thought like the punchable face wasn't a thing and it was just a unique like Wings of Redemption ism that he liked but he would very much like to punch for all instinct yeah it was well yeah that the whole thing was crazy they went up there and mess with Bernie Sanders and shut his whole thing down and and now of course people are like showing off some of the uh civil rights uh things

that that bernie sanders did back in the 60s and stuff you see him at um at all kinds of events he was he was walking with martin luther king and stuff like that so these black lives matter people uh look like real real assholes now i they come off to me as real racist you know like yeah totally they're very racist. They don't like white people. I don't know why white people are afraid to call it when someone's being racist against them. These people totally don't like us white people. That's what I'm seeing too.

I'm sure there's a bunch of reasonable people in there and people who are listening to it saying, no, no, no, you've got your message wrong right now. But I'm telling you, if you're involved in black lives matter somehow the message that's getting to me is you hate because i'm white yeah you hate bernie sanders who literally fucking march with martin luther king right if you hate bernie sanders who has a 98 percent voting approval record by the naacp 100 100 i saw it said. I've also seen it in the high 90s. I don't know what the truth is. If all you see out of Bernie Sanders is instead of being your biggest ally

is a white guy in power, then just fuck off. End your organization. Hang yourself with the rope. I don't care. You're hurting this nation you're not doing it right go ahead slink underneath the couch if you want to but um but yeah black lives matter you're not doing it right you're losing people that you should have as allies so so fuck off no need for any hangings or anything like that

really this is the gamer community end yourself as part of the standard vernacular No need for any hangings or anything like that. Really? This is the gamer community. End yourself as part of the standard vernacular. I don't know anything about that, but yes, they come off as very racist. Oh, God. They seem to make fools of themselves at that event, and it seemed like a lot of the internet had a good time of making fun of them that day. The picture that they kept saying she was at Punchable Faces is when she wore that shirt that said, Drinking of white men or something like that that's racist as

fuck totally yeah like i i can't imagine a white person doing the reverse in a half measure right like it's it's crazy I don't know I just rare it's very rare it's rare it happens of course but white people are like outright like rambunctiously racist like walking around with like with was like super offensive t-shirts and stuff or like you know those people are borderline skinheads at that point then there are just skinheads like yeah shit but but you got it but I. Yeah, yeah. I think the comparison you're making is appropriate. Yeah, I think it's telling

the comparisons that we're drawing between white supremacist groups and these Black Lives Matter people, because regardless of what they're calling themselves, they should change it to only Black Lives Matter, because that's what it seems like their real mission statement is. Yeah, yeah. They seem to be taking a page out of the book of the feminists who don't want

equality they they uh they they want to have their cake and eat it too and uh you know they want female superiority or something everybody says they want to be equal but then they they uh they seem like they want more than that when it comes down to it. I was talking to my daughter about that. And her, for all her, like, Tumblr education, I'll call it, actually lined up completely with that. You know, like, I was like, you know, you want equality. And when these groups say they want equality, but what they really want is like equal results.

And they'll prop up one group and push down another group to get it. That's not right. She was like, yeah, you know, if you're arguing for women over men, then that's not what feminism is supposed to be, she says. It's supposed to be just women getting an equal shake. And I like that. Yeah, I do, too yeah i'm all for that um i'm all for women getting an equal shake but i i just i don't know it seems like i think reddit and the news media so i don't that's the only news i get is reddit but i feel like reddit

makes things like police violence um what else? Everything! It seems like they really focus on police violence, anytime a cop does something wrong, especially if they shoot a minority. They really focus on all the child abuse stuff. Anytime a kid gets fucked, I'm reading about it. And anytime a man gets wronged by a woman, of course, because I read one on the way downstairs to do this. It was something like a college. A girl has sex with a guy. They're both in college. She has sex with him twice.

Then three months later, she sees him with another girl kissing her. Then she calls rape. The university expels him. And it seems like any time something like that happens, we read about it. Or maybe all of those things are just super common. Maybe there are a lot of cops shooting people out there. I don't think so. Let me just say something.

Twice now you've seen an app pop up in front of Kyle's face and go away. I promise you, I wasn't playing Minecraft. I was closing Minecraft. I'm not organizing my iTunes songs. I closed iTunes. You're crackling a little bit for me. I'm not sure if the recording's catching it. I'm not organizing my iTunes songs. I closed iTunes. You're crackling a little bit for me. I'm not sure if the recording's catching it. I'm trying to make it better.

Oh, it could be your wire too. I didn't think of that. Yep, that'll do it. But people watching this, I'm not doing anything bad. I'm just trying to make things better. So what was I going to say? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I saw that same thing and uh

i try to look at the other side of these things i suppose everyone thinks they do if you're a university and some guy's just been accused of rape do you take any immediate action on that no you let the jury the justice system sort it out yeah unless there are unless it's it's clear unless there's unless it's obvious um i feel like you're just ruining people's reputations uh ruining people's lives like that when there may have already been someone's life ruined like there's no there's no need to rush to judgment anytime. They should just let the police hash it out, let the criminal justice system figure out what's what and then go from there.

There's situations where it's clear. What if you feel like this guy's a hazard on campus? Well if you feel like he's a hazard on campus it's because it's clear that he raped the girl. Like, if you know he raped her then yeah you should suspend him or expel so now you're in the business of figuring out whether he's a rapist or not i know no i'm not asking i'm not asking for sherlock holmes here i'm just saying like did he rape her in front of 15 people at a party and they're all coming forward or does she say that something happened in a dark room somewhere because option a there's 15 people they're all

saying yeah he just kept raping her he wouldn't stop like you know he raped her everyone knows he raped her the whole volleyball team was there that's one case you expel him then but in case b i guess you know where he said she said she said he said then like no you can't just jump to, you can't leap to judgment there. It's like, you gotta let the, uh, the cops deal with that. That's a good place to start. I think. Yeah. I don't know. I just, I, so there was a guy, it was one of my roommates in college had a twin brother and this twin brother was kind of bad news, but my understanding is he was associated with a guy who was really bad news, right? So his twin brother went to school

there too. And he got really into martial arts, but not like anics. Dancing or something. Yeah. Anyway, I wish I could think of more details on the lightweight stuff they did, but they started robbing all over the place. And my roommate's telling me, like, I bet that was my brother. Like, I bet that was my brother. Every time somebody got robbed or a thing happened, the student union and, like like college bookstore got robbed. And he's like, I'm almost positive that was my brother. And, uh, um, and it was him and this other guy. Now his bet, my roommate and his twin brother were white, but the other guy was, um, some kind of Hispanic. I don't know exactly where he was from. Like he could have been Puerto Rican. It could have been Mexican or something like that. But that becomes important in a minute.

And they robbed a Burger King off campus. Like I guess they thought it was closed, but somebody was still in the back, like counting the money or something like, like maybe the storefront was closed, but there was someone they had just closed. So they go in there and try and rob it. And then they call the police on them and the police catch them in the act of robbing the Burger King. And I remember one part like,

oh, I left out the best part. They were dressed as ninjas while they did it. Yeah. They were literally dressed as ninjas with the mask and like their black belts. And they were robbing the Burger King while dressed as ninjas with the mask and their black belts. And they were robbing the Burger King while dressed as ninjas. That's awesome. Yeah.

And I mention that because it informs the next part. The cops got him cuffed. And he's on the ground with his hands behind his back, his legs spread. And I guess it's in a position where you can't do much. And the cop kicked him in the balls or something, even though he was belly down on the ground. And he's like, yeah, uncuff me. See how tough you are.

And the cop is like, no. And that's how it went. Anyway, the white guy was immediately expelled. And I was immediately, like, thrown out of the dorms for dropping jelly. But the Hispanic guy had a like. Wait, wait. You were dropped out of the dorms for dropping jelly? I'm sure I've told this a couple of times before.

Yeah, I dropped jelly down the stairwell. So a little worse than just dropping jelly. But I thought the punishment was really harsh. They threw me out of the dorms for like four or five semesters until my coach intervened. And this guy literally, he robbed like the student union, a bunch of students in particular. He got into a fight on campus. And I think there was a rape accusation, which I don't know how that ever landed. Probably not true.

Don't know. But I do know that nothing happened to him for like the longest time like he's in jail they're sorting it all out and stuff and the school is like we're gonna let this finish you know we're gonna make it they gave him every benefit because he had some sort of like student group it was almost like he had a union or something on his side of other Hispanic people looking out for him, hiring attorneys and such. And I felt like he got a real break for not being white. And it made me jealous.

I was like, I could use a break right now. I'm not such a terrible guy. I know I dropped jelly down the stairs, but fuck. I know I dropped. When you first said that, I was was like is that a euphemism like that i don't know like you dropped the jelly huh oh all right now you're talking i like to drop a little jelly every now and then you know what i mean yeah all right i didn't know what you mean woody i didn't know you dropped jelly we've known each other a long time. I had no idea. You're a jelly dropper too? Next time, me and you, smucker's time.

But yeah, it was like I could use a break here. And I didn't live anywhere near the school so like I wasn't sure how I was even going to continue attending school, you know, without being allowed to live on campus. I ended up living off campus, driving a motorcycle in the New Jersey winter through the snow to school. It's horrible. And this guy, like at least in the short term, like nothing fucking happened to him. You know, just because it had something to do with financial aid. Like the financial aid group that was paying for his school was also defending his criminal behavior. And it was like that lucky fuck, you know,

I, I could use that. Yeah. But, um, I forget how we got on that topic. Something to do with Bernie Sanders. You have to be a part of a minority to get one of those groups to help you out.

And don't think that that means that they're closed off to you. You just have to pick a different kind of minority, not a racial one, just an ideal or a belief gun owners. We have our own little minority. There's a whole like a United. There's, just an ideal or a belief. Gun owners, we have our own little minority. There's a whole like United, there's, I don't remember the name. I wish I did offhand, but it's like Concealed Carriers of America or something. You get in any trouble, you know, whether you fired the gun or not, no matter what happened, they'll get you a lawyer there. They'll

come to take care of you. It's in their best interest to look out for you. get you a lawyer there they'll come to take care of you it's in their best interest to look out for you do what do i how do i get involved in this thing there's a website like i've like is it do you just be a part of the nra no well the nra is a different thing this is uh this is like um like i said i can't remember the exact name of it it's like concealed carriers of america.org or something like that i might look at i just know the nra has stuff like i was at a gun store and the guy's guns had been recently stolen and he's like it turns out if you're a member of the nra you've got like gun insurance and uh and he was there starting to rebuild his collection now it wasn't great like they stole a handful of guns from him and he had enough, I think, to buy one or two. But, you know, getting a gun again. So, yeah, I don't know.

I'm not a member of the NRA. You probably are. In your position, you probably can't say one way or the other. But you are. OK. Every so often they do a thing that makes me cautious about it. Like they might be more extreme than I am personally. They're not extreme enough for me, quite frankly. I'm also a member of another group called the Gun Owners of America. And that group is a no holds barred gun rights

advocacy organization, as they call themselves. And and and they're not the nra is like yeah don't take our hunting rifles away we want our handguns to protect ourselves in high crime areas the gun owners america of america are like we need silenced machine guns we should all have them like they like they're they're my kind of uh gun rights organization they don't they don't uh don't pick and choose which guns i'm sitting here thinking i can't name a thing i disagree like those two platforms you i'm in favor of all the things you said so far like i i like that i don't know what i don't like every now and then there's like a i don't know like they'll say for example that oh oh like okay this guy's mentally incompetent he's been declared

mentally incompetent by both his family and the state and like everyone around um he doesn't handle his own bank records anymore he doesn't he can't drive anymore um he's just sitting in a chair drooling but people are taking advantage perhaps or could take advantage of his mental incompetency by buying guns left and right with this poor guy who does nothing but drool and wait to die wait well that's a straw purchase that's illegal um not necessarily what if the gun's still his? No, still illegal. On the 4473 form you fill out when you're buying a gun, that's one of the boxes you're agreeing to,

that this is for you, this is your gun. It's for him. He bought it with his money. I can use your gun. You can borrow my gun. That's all I'm asking for, a little borrowing from Captain Drooly. And I can also sell you my gun. Look, there's lots of loopholes in the law,

and if you ask my honest opinion, there's got to be loopholes in the law just for free commerce. I don't think that I should have to do anything to sell a gun to my dad or to sell one of my guns to anybody. I've got a federal firearms license, so I can do the actual paperwork and fill out the 4473 forms and run your background check if need be, if you don't have a concealed carry permit and all that stuff, and legally transfer a weapon to you.

But I can also sell as an individual to anyone, and there's no records behind that. And I don't think there should be. Individuals who aren't in the business of selling firearms shouldn't have to act like they are every so often there comes up a case like all right this guy's deep into alzheimer's right he can he doesn't recognize his own family but people are taking him to the gun store or having him buy online or something like that and what kind of people like criminals uh i'm probably family to be honest i don't know maybe maybe it's a hypothetical but but i don't know what they would

have to gain from using him so should people be able to buy guns if they're declared incompetent no well it also depends on your your of incompetent, though. Because I immediately thought, oh, incompetent. You just described someone who's drooling and has Alzheimer's and is very old. There is an incompetent person. But what if all of a sudden they want to slap incompetent on someone who's taking antidepressants or someone who's taking anti-anxiety medication? What if I went to see my therapist three days a week? Maybe they think that makes me incompetent. Maybe I shouldn't have that shock. I'll take it a step further. What if incompetent means you don't agree with me, right? Me being the government at the time, right? Like people have heard me say a million times, you don't grant rights to your government. You give,

you're granting rights to all the future governments, including the ones that you hate, right? You know, I remember back in the day when George W. Bush was president, there were people there who really liked him so much that they were willing to give executive power like craziness. And it's like, don't forget, Hillary could be president someday. And all these things that you're loving to give to your favorite guy today, you're going to be given to Hillary tomorrow. Or flip the script, you know?

Hillary's president today, or I'll use Obama because he is president today the powers that you're giving him because maybe you trust him and like him are going to go to Trump or Ted Cruz tomorrow so be careful and anyway I but you know something like a guy deep into Alzheimer's, are we sure there's no gun laws that are good laws? Because I think that some people would say that. Guns should be no more restricted than chapstick. I guess off the top of my head, I don't feel like violent felons should be able to purchase a gun at a gun store or have a gun. Forever? If that's the case, violent felons should be able to purchase a gun at a gun store or have a gun forever that's the case violent felons yeah forever what if their crime is fistfights

that's not violent enough for me all right um i i would say yeah i guess i would change it a bit i think if they if they use a weapon in a crime, then they've proven that they can't be trusted with a weapon. I think that's it. Use a weapon in a crime in any way. I hate when they apply that. As soon as I said it, I was like, I know what's going to happen. The guy's going to get in a fist fight, but he had

a gun in his truck. Now, all of a sudden, he's a gun offender, and he can't buy a gun forever. That's the sort of thing that happens with these laws. The gun needs to go off. Yeah. What if you pistol whip somebody with a gun offender and he can't buy a gun forever like that's the sort of thing that happens with these arbitration with these laws needs to go off yeah yeah that's what if you pistol whip somebody with a gun then can you buy a gun i think you can i think you can because it could have been a hammer and we can't keep him from buying hammers he just pummeled the guy clearly he wasn't in a a violent shooting mood he was just in a striking kind of mood yeah i i would take guns away from people who use guns

violently. I don't think those people should be able to buy guns. Obviously, if you're mentally incompetent, that's already the law. I think it is. I think it's proposed. But I'm not sure. I could be wrong. Maybe you're right.

I really wish I had my form in front of me. Because you agree to so many things as you're going down through there. I feel like one of them is that I've never been declared mentally incompetent. I think I'm clicking that, no, I haven't, before I can buy the gun. It feels that way. I bet you know this, but I don't. There's a pattern to it. It's like a yes, a bunch of them that are the same answer and then a

no and uh i always have to read every one and then some of them in my foggy memory are like somewhat confusing like i am assuring that i am not this yes or no yeah and it's like immigrant blah blah blah it's like question 13 let me grab it i. I got it upstairs. Okay. Yeah, I'll just keep talking. And then it's like, oh, wait a minute. So yes, I'm a not? Or no, I'm a not? Even grammatically, it's confusing to me. Because typically you say, no, I'm not. But if it's like, I'm not, and you say no to that,

then you're kind of saying yes to the I am that thing. And it's kind of tricky. But yeah. Oh, so while Kyle's not here, almost died yesterday. That's a thing. I was pulling a tree stump out of the ground with my tractor, which I had seen done on YouTube like a bunch of times.

And as I pulled it, it was cracking. So picture this. I've got a tractor and I have a nylon strap used to pull cars out of the ground and like stuck in the mud and stuff. And then the strap is around a tree stump. And I pull and it like loosens and creaks. And I pull and it loosens and creaks. I'm just telling my tractor story.

creaks and I pull and it loosens and creaks. I'm just telling my tractor story. And my hope is that the stump is going to pull out of the ground. But what happens instead is the top of the stump breaks off and it comes flying at me. It's hard to estimate the speed, but like 50 miles an hour, 70 miles an hour, the strap, it stretches like a rubber band and then like pulls extra hard. It's called a snap strap. And I just didn't anticipate the top of the stump breaking off, although in hindsight I should have. And it came flying at me and it actually hit the taillight on my tractor. But it made me really aware of the fact that if it was two feet over, I would have died. And I need to be careful around this sort of thing. Anyway, that's my tractor death story.

Kyle. Yes. Mental competence on there. Have you spotted it yet? Yeah. So question number F. Question number F. Question F is, have you ever been adjudicated mentally defective, which includes a determination by a court, board, commission, or other lawful authority that you are a danger to yourself or to others, or are incompetent to manage your own affairs? Literally what you kind of described, or have

you been committed to a mental institution? Okay. So now people are declared incompetent to manage their own affairs in the social security roles, like roles, not the, like, you know, the list of people on social security. And Obama suggested that people who are on Social Security listed as mentally incompetent could be added to the list of people that aren't allowed to buy firearms and they pushed back and said that no that's not okay and I just wonder like sometimes like hey if mentally incompetent is not okay then

can't we use our list of mentally incompetent people well okay so there's more instructions for these questions on the on the back here on the part that i have to read okay the part that like no no customer ever reads um so here's the exception uh let's see wow a determination by a court board commission or other lawful authority that a person as a result marked subnormal intelligence or mental illness, incompetency, condition, or disease is a danger to themself, blah blah blah, the mental capacity, contract, or manage his own affairs, blah blah blah, stay in trial, found guilty for reason of mental irresponsibility. I'm looking for the exception is what I'm looking for. Ah okay, mental responsibility. I'm looking for the exception is what I'm looking for. Ah, here it is. A person who has been adjudicated as a

mental defective or committed to a mental institution is not prohibited if the person has adjudicated. That's a word I've never read before. It's never been in front of me. Or committed by a department or agency of the federal government. It says the United States Department of Veteran Affairs. Yeah, they had to expunge your record for you to be able to get a gun if you've ever been found to be

of subhuman intelligence or incompetent for some other reasons. And then there's a whole thing about restraining orders. If you've got a restraining order against you from a spouse are you a u.s citizen are you legally in the united states the one you have trouble with is the one that you're not supposed to check at all if you're not uh it doesn't apply to you no is it like the first one yes or something and then all first ones yes and all the rest are no and then 12 you leave blank i'd show it but it's like literally filled out like with my information oh yeah so as you're gonna it's like all of my information it's it's yes a bunch of nose and then a blank and I think there might even be a

question after the blank that you need to answer like no again to and I'm not sure yeah yes yeah then a bunch of nose and then blank oh and then it starts getting to other stuff yeah yeah i remember it's slightly different i remember it being at the bottom of the page too but i don't know anyway um uh so yeah i i don't know right now i can't laws do we need what gun laws would what do we need yeah i feel like i'd need to know. What gun laws do we need? What gun laws do we need? I feel like I'd need to know our current gun laws better before I start adding ones to it. Like I would have said, if you're mentally incompetent,

that's a thing, and it turns out it's already a thing. I think it comes down to how you define someone as being mentally incompetent. I think that's where the real issue is. It's hard to understand that when you've got politicians on screen just screaming the extremes of each issue back at each other, and the truth is in the middle there that we just found. So it's really about how we define when someone's crazy,

and if they get crazy forever. Rachel Maddow said a thing. She's hot she is um people don't know her she's the girl with she's like a pretty woman with glasses on msnbc and um her stance is liberal so one would assume she's anti-gun although i'm not positive she's like tina fey's hot older sister so uh was like, look, we tried to find the facts around this particular issue. And she's like, and we're good at this. We do this for a living.

Guns are one of the few things where you just can't find reliable facts. Everyone who's publishing on this topic appears to have an agenda. They are either pro-gun or anti-gun. And we're looking for the truth on this, and everything about this comes at you from a slant. And there is no reputable source. She doesn't consider, say, the NRA to be reputable, and she doesn't consider, I'll make it up,

IHateGuns.com to be reputable either. I trust the fbi's numbers i was gonna say cia yeah i feel like those maybe it is fbi but yeah sometimes the government stuff they especially when they talk about kill rates and stuff like when they do a what caliber should our people hold i think they're just trying to figure out what caliber their people should hold. They're not in the anti-9mm lobby. They just want to know what to carry. Yeah, I agree with you on that. It's hard to find.

It's really hard to find exactly what gun laws are. Most of the time, you're just trying to not break any little law. And sometimes they're not laws, they're rules. The ATF can make up new rules as they go along, even though they're not a lawmaking body. They're technically a part of the Treasury Department. Irregardless, that's not a fucking word, and I hate people who use it.

Regardless, you have to follow those rules or you get in big trouble. So it's hard to find exactly, on a lot of issues. There's a lot of times where I want to know if I can do a thing, and I'll call one guy who's like a law enforcement guy, and he'll be like, yeah, you can do that. And then I'll call my lawyer, and he'll be like,

eh, let me call my guy and find out. And his guy will be like, no, you can't do that. And it's just like, well, what the fuck? Like, the law enforcement guy says I can. It's like, well, okay then. And he's like, well, no! What do you mean okay then? Like, well, what the fuck? Like, the law enforcement guy says I can. It's like, well, okay then. And he's like, well, no! What do you mean okay then? Like, is it legal or not?

Like, well, if he's not going to arrest you, then it's legal. No! That's not how this works. Like, I need to know. Yeah, yeah. Like, if you were Supreme Court justice, what would you say? Like, I want to know what's going to happen here. He might not be an asshole, but someone out there is.

I need to make sure that even that guy has nothing on me. but someone out there is i need to make sure that even that guy has nothing on me yeah i like to be in the position where like i could be rude to the police if i need if i want to be i don't want to be like in in a gray area on anything i'm being detained my ducks have to be in a fucking row if you're gonna get pulled over with half a dozen guns your ducks have to be in a row even then you're you're there for the on the side of the road for 45 minutes for them to make sure that they're not stolen and that you're not pablo escobar or something yes chupacabra i don't know do you know what the chupacabra is i guess not uh chupacabra is the mexican goat sucker it's a uh like the bigfoot or loch ness it's sort of a that's all i knew that it was like the mexican myth like our bigfoot or or something

yeah yeah they the make it's the goat sucker that's what chupacabra means i've also been told this and it would take someone from mexican culture to tell me if i'm right or wrong but um i guess i'm part mex, right? We've covered that. Yeah, you look it. You have that love for lawn care. Oh, my God. That unlike us and Bigfoot, it's kind of a joke, like a fun thing we like to talk about.

Mexicans and chupacabra, I'm told with many Mexicans, it's like a legit fear. Like if they hear something go bump in the night they're concerned about chupacabra i don't know enough about mexico to know if what i'm about to say is in any way accurate but i feel like there are large swaths of mexico where the people are very poor very very Catholic, very ignorant, and I could definitely believe that that would be true. Because I know people who have come from Mexico and they talk about no running water and stuff. Now clearly it's not like that in the bigger cities. But I think there are the worst places in the United States, rural areas like that,

they still have plumbing like 99.9% of the time. I've never seen a real outhouse and if i ever do i won't stay there like like i've never seen that shit and i've been in some real backwoods areas of the south but i feel like go down to mexico and you can find some outhouses like i saw a tv show where there were some mexican people living in a trash dump obviously that's not a standard mexican thing um oscar the grout style like he was like no they were they were living near a landfill and they used the landfill to just find all the things that they were looking for this sounds like a trailer park boys are you serious yes i'm 100

serious yeah yeah no and it wasn't like i'm looking at it and at first i was like that's not a half bad idea. Because there's a lot of good stuff that gets thrown away. They're finding lumber and things and building shacks. I was going to say house, but that's totally not accurate. Trash forts. Trash forts is pretty close, because they're mismatched and everything, right? Yeah, yeah.

So it's like mismatched lumber and corrugated tin roofs and stuff like that that they're putting on. And I'm like, huh, you know, if you've got nothing going on, there's a lot of free shit in the trash. They're not criminals. You know, they're whatever. But it turns out that like rats and disease and things like that are a big issue when you live near a landfill, which probably sounds obvious. And the smell. I bet it smells just like new jersey oh damn can you imagine like a dirty diaper fuck you kyle

it's true i need to take you back to jersey take you where i grew up uh-huh smells of salt water i would love to fly over jersey could i do that sometimes smells smells of salt water and suntan lotion where I'm from. It smells of brine and filth. And New York's trash. That's what New Jersey smells like. I'd like to go back to Ocean City. It just never seems to be, like, at the top of the list of things to do. It's like, yeah, we really should get back there.

Or Grand Canyon. Like, yeah, there's Ocean City, New Jersey. I i remember that i'd like to surf there one more time i even like know where the places go and such or you know there's whatever disney world it it just seems like new jersey never gets us like drawn in yeah i go to the beach there's one two hours or there's one that's like 12 hours that's hard that makes sense yeah and in new jersey you don't think of it as such but the bottom half of it is a peninsula which makes the drive really crappy to like drive halfway up the state and then back down again i'm thinking about uh camping this weekend out in the place where i'm talking i'm thinking about doing the survival thing i'm

thinking about going out there um i still got to find our actual campsite. Like I was saying before the show, I want to know the exact spot, plot it on my GPS, and that way we can just make a beeline for it. Do you need a tent? I'm sorry, do you need a tent? No, I was thinking

of taking just a... I was thinking of doing a mini survival trip, basically basically kind of testing the waters i was gonna take my hammock i've got a i got a hammock and you like zip yourself up in it like a banana and you've got like a mesh uh separating you so the mosquitoes can't get in and stuff so i might do that yeah it depends how tired i am from thursday thursday's gonna be a long day. Are you doing... We're filming.

Yeah, we're filming Thursday. That's what I was going to say. You're filming. You aspire to get two videos in one day shot? Yeah, as long as both guns work, we shouldn't have a problem. I've already got the targets set. I've got another day of setup tomorrow. But we're shooting a cannon, and I'm shooting a.458 SOCOM rifle.

And I've got some specialty ammo for it. Are you shooting like lots of buck from the cannon or a big like cannonball? I've got three different loads for it. I think I got like 15 solid projectiles. I've got a load of buckshot, two pounds and birdshot, two pounds. How does the buckshot work?

Without telling me me this is what i would do uh assuming it's like all the other cannons i know you stuff like the the explosive in there then a wad then the projectile on the other side of the wad i would guess and my projectile would be like buckshot in pantyhose thinking that it would explode as it left the left the barrel yeah i honestly don't know uh um i i was kind of thinking that myself what you said probably works you know maybe i was thinking of maybe in a little sack or a bag or maybe just pour it down in there with a little cap on the top i don't know how it works so we'll see yeah if the cap would be because my problem with pouring it in there

yes it requires you to kind of point it up. Otherwise, it would just pour out the barrel or be like water almost, find its level. I shot a 37-millimeter tank round one time that was – I don't remember what they called it, but it was like a grape shot round or something, and it was super old. It was from World War II. And the end of it, instead of being like, you know, a bullet, it was sort of a cylindrical cardboard-ish tube. And it was just full of the buckshot inside of that. So, but that was a high pressure 37 millimeter, you know, gun. This is a black powder 37 millimeter cannon. So. One cool thing about ammo is it tends to last a long time like i sometimes think to myself like ah those bullets have been in my carry ammo since i guess since our

last survival trip since the spring maybe so a while and uh you know is it okay yes it is okay also it will outlast you you know as long as you as long as you keep it dry it's good forever pretty much yeah it it yeah it's dry it's not getting wet and um and even wetness isn't a problem like like i see in movies like i watched no country for old men the other night again and uh i thought it was great especially all the gun stuff except for one part there's a part where he's running from some bad guys, and there's a pit bull chasing him. So he jumps in the river, he's swimming with the current downriver,

and the pit bull is swimming after him, which is hilarious. Like you would. Yeah, exactly. And he jumps up on a sandbar, he takes his 1911 out of his waist, he takes the mag out, ejects the round, blows into the chamber, dries the round, and

then puts it back in and kills the dog as it leaps at him. And that's just completely unnecessary because bullets are waterproof. Like, water won't get into them. You could corrode the primer and rust the round, and it's one of two things. Either the primer will fail and you'll get nothing when you pull the trigger or the round will be so rusty that it gets stuck in the magazine. For people that don't know, in the back of a bullet is a little

circle thing typically and that's called the primer and when you hit it, it sparks and ignites the gunpowder and shoots the bullet. Tell me if I got anything wrong. No, you're right. So yeah, getting bullets wet or guns wet, you're right. So yeah, like getting bullets wet or guns wet, like you can take a gun and dunk it in the water and then pull it out and

dry it a bit and shoot. You don't have to dry it. Water's not a... You do want to make sure, at least with some guns, that it's not currently filled with water. Like that can be a problem because it... Like for example, if the barrel's filled with water, then the barrel

might get damaged when you try to shoot a bullet out of it really quickly the barrel is filled with water then it's going to explode well i just so you probably have more knowledge and experience on this with me if a shotgun's filled with water it's going to explode like a cartoon If a shotgun's filled with water, it's going to explode like a cartoon. Possibly, or out the side, or whatever. I've also seen AKs shot underwater. Completely submerged underwater. It's a thing they do, right?

That's a thick-walled barrel, though. A shotgun has a thin-walled barrel. It's really... If it were underwater and you fired it, I can't imagine what would happen. I guess there would be an explosion just in front of the receiver at the neck of the barrel. The neck of the barrel kind of like, first it's big and then it goes down to thin. I would imagine it would happen right there like immediately because the water's up to the front of the shell, I guess, in the barrel. But if you just stick the barrel in the water, then it compresses that air until it can't anymore. And it tries to push the water out of the way, but this thing's moving at 1,300 feet per second. So the water, then it compresses that air until it can't anymore.

It tries to push the water out of the way, but this thing's moving at 1300 feet per second, so the water can't move that fast. Pressure builds up and then it banana peels back like you described. Or I've seen crazy shit happen. There was this demonstration where a 20 gauge round had accidentally been put in a 12 gauge and it slips down the barrel and then it gets lodged about halfway down. So then a 12 gauge is placed in behind that, the gun is closed and fired and the 12 gauge round sets off the 20 gauge round and there's an explosion mid barrel and the combined explosion

and the pressure from the 12 gauge makes the barrel snap back at the person. So it's like boom and then the barrel comes back uh so you don't want that that's why i saw someone comment that we should get some 20 gauges for a potential like argentina bird shoot and like oh i did see that yeah 20 get first of all 20 gauges is for pussies and women like like like like no no no man should have a 20 gauge i I've never shot a 20 gauge, but I have shot. I've had days where I probably shot 100 rounds out of a 12. And we're talking about 3,000 rounds. I was like, maybe 20 is smart.

I don't know. Well, the thing is, the reason is this. So a 12 gauge is super versatile. It's the most popular for a reason. You can load it down to, you can have seven eighths of an ounce of shot coming out of it and that's super low recoil. Or you can go all the way up to like I don't know, with 3.5 inch magnum shells

like over an ounce and a half, like approaching 2 ounces probably. I don't have a 3.5 inch load or anything. I don't buy that expensive ammo, but you can go really low or really high is what I'm saying with the 12 gauge. With the 20 gauge you're just limiting yourself. Like you want as much power as you can get and then scale the high. That's what I'm saying with the 12 gauge. With the 20 gauge, you're just limiting yourself. You want as much power as you can get and then scale the shell down, not the

gun. Okay. If you're a child, enjoy your 20 gauge. Although when I was 7, I had a 12. Well, I'm sure if you're 5 or something, you might have liked a 20. When you were an infant, perhaps,

learning to crawl, you were an infant perhaps learning to crawl you were still at 12 probably dad dad dad wouldn't own a 20 gauge and there so there's a 12 i can see like little kyle on a swing right the funny thing is like for the longest time i couldn't shoulder uh my dad's guns i never had a youth model gun um so i would put the the stock under my arm like i would put it in here and bring my head down so that as a you know a seven-year-old i could shoot a full size 870 because if i did it like this like like you're supposed to there's's just no way. This wouldn't work. But yeah, I don't like 20 gauges. They make a 12 gauge, a 16 gauge, a 20 gauge, a 28 gauge, and a 410, which I don't recall what the gauge is on a 410, but it's easier to say 410 than...

Yeah, I was... You went quiet when you moved the mic there. But was that a joke or are you quiet? I think you're talking with me. Yes, yes. I was thinking of getting Colin a cricket, which if people don't know is a single fire 22. I like the idea of single fire because I know when it's empty. Like it's a nice way to monitor. Like I load the bullets.

It's easy to keep track as opposed to like a 10-22 where, I don't know, it requires that next level of discipline, you know, like things. I don't know how many rounds go into 10-22, but I'll say 15 or 20 or 30 or something. And it's a lot to count. Like, you know, is this thing empty i don't know yeah i've got that cricket uh if you don't want to if you want a pink one i got one you can have i don't think i'll it's so it's so accurate i i it's very very surprisingly accurate i was

shooting that thing at like 60 70 yards something like that and we were doing this game yeah well you don't have a choice and we were kind of doing a a drill where you just kind of like reactively shoot at targets at 60 yards that are about this big and it was really impressive at at i mean it hits them i can hit them uh we're shooting paint cans at 50 i don't know if my memory is better than my reality i feel like my Henry is halfway there. Like that lever action. Oh, totally. Yeah.

But I feel like I shot even better with your, I don't know what it is. I'm going to call it a no-name 22 single shot that you've just had forever. Oh, that was my great-grandfather's 22. I don't remember the name. It's like a Winchester something or another single shot. It was black with no sights. It was dark out. It did have no sights, though sights by the way not even iron sights you just look down a barrel and kind of yeah instinctively aim it and uh i i was hitting everything with that you know yeah that that gun's i don't know 60 years old 70 years old maybe i liked it i liked

it so much i like i made a habit of hunting gun broker for one in that class like like i want to beat up single shot 22 you know like that's what i'm looking for that cricket that cricket's the way to go i wish it were a little bit longer yeah i mean it really it's a child's gun and i can i can shoot it but it's not comfortable exactly i saw um 22 plinkster did a couple videos or at least one I saw with a cricket. He's big though. I think he's like 6'4 and it looked really ridiculous.

People don't know 22 Plinkster. He's a gun guy but he's really tall and thin. Him and a child's gun just looked like a mismatch. That's a cool little gun though. It was cheap as hell too. Like $100 I think. Or less. looked like a mismatch yeah that's a cool little gun though it was cheap as hell too like 100 bucks i think or wasn't much yeah like i i've got 60 something in my head but i yeah like they're really inexpensive yeah it's uh it's a cool gun for a kid and it like i said it's super super

fucking accurate i've killed a bunch of birds with it the um you shoot a 22 in the air you gotta worry where the bullet falls, right? Or no? I don't know. It depends on the angle you're shooting it. Because straight up's fine. And I feel like some minor deviations of straight up like this are fine. But 45 degree angle is certainly no good. And the bullet goes like 7 miles, I think I read on the back of the package.

I'm sure if you shoot it at a 45-degree angle, the thing's going 1,000 feet per second. It'll get out of there pretty fast. So it shouldn't be shooting at the horizon. If I'm shooting birds in a tree, I'll usually try to get right under them or make sure that the bullet's going into some more trees behind it or something. But I don't shoot at the horizon. Yeah, just trying to get a vibe for what's what like it obviously with the bigger guns like 223 just kind of never fuck with that shooting into the nothing make sure you know where that's gonna stop shotguns on the other

hand like I've never done it but people if you seem to feel comfortable that when that thing lands it's like it's almost okay like yeah if it actually landed on your friend but you shot it high in the air first you just kind of get sprinkled with it next time you're here I'll show out what we're gonna we're gonna do this I'm gonna we'll get about 300 yards apart and we'll start shooting each other with shotguns like hey this kind of rain on you I guess they by the time something falls I just think about it. Think about the physics involved.

You shoot the thing, and it has so little energy that it's about to fall out of the air. It hits the ground and goes pop and falls like hail or something. So if it hit you, it barely even stings. That thing about dropping a penny from the Empire State Building and it going through a car and denting the cement, that's actually not true. There's something called terminal velocity yeah and wind resistance plays a role in it like if you drop a penny from an empire state building it flutters down just like it does from the top of your house like it it's not going to kill a man yeah there's a maximum speed that objects are going to fall out because

of wind resistance and because of their shape and all that stuff. It's not that fast. Human beings fall at like 145 miles an hour, I think. And a bullet is going to fall at less than that, I would say. It's going to fall at a similar speed that you could throw it at. So, I don't really... So whenever, you know, shooting one straight up in the air, I'm sure some people are like, oh, it could come straight back down. And it's just like, well, it's not coming straight back down like you dropped it from five miles high, you know, and it's like burning up through the atmosphere. Like it's. It is coming like you dropped it five miles high, but that's not as dangerous as you might think.

Exactly. Yeah. My I'm trying to stay away from the vocabulary here because my physics is too rusty. Yeah, there's terminal velocity of this and that and something about balls on inclines and shit. I don't know exactly, but I do know. I used to know the formula, right, for acceleration. Like it's something cubed cubed. It's like 10 meters times the distance. I can't remember it's been so long listening right now who knows it off

the top of their head and i'm not gonna get it wrong well in any case in any case not a huge worry not a huge worry bullets falling on you or anything uh i'm sure people like i said you wouldn't don't shoot at the horizon though yeah we we should if it's safe i think it'd be a neat learning experience to do the Dick Cheney exercise. Yeah, I've been shot pretty close before. I don't know, 70 yards, I guess. Something like that with birdshot. It just stings a little.

I know people who have been shot pretty legitimately, so they had to pick the shot out of their back. I knew a guy, not knew him, but I met a guy who got shot with a 380 once i uh yeah i i had recently bought that 380 that i have and um i wasn't unsure about it for self-defense purposes and he's like oh trust me it's fine it's like a motherfucker yeah the way he said it i'm like got a story and he's like i got shot and i didn't get the story of why he got shot whether it was an accident or defense or what happened but um it was in his lung like not far from his collarbone and uh he's like completely takes the fight out of you.

All right. So, yeah, that's what he said. He endorsed it. All right. Call it a show? Yeah, I think so. I'm going to get some food and relax for a little while, and then I've got to drive to Atlanta and pick up Kitty.

She's flying in tonight from Colorado. She gets in at 1 a.m. Ah, that's late. But yeah, when you travel in that direction, no, they sometimes go that late. Yeah, but I've got to drive to the airport and back at one in the morning. She's lucky to have you. She should be nice nice She should have candy

That would help a lot in this situation If you showed up and she had chocolates It would be a good thing Maybe PKN episode 52 Bye all Good job Taylor Thank you