Painkiller Already - PKN #54

Episode Date: September 5, 2015

This week's PKN, the guys confirm the Survival Trip 2015 is actually happening and VERY soon, specific details inside!

I started recording. Well, here we go. Hello, everybody. Hello. PKN something, something or another. Yeah, 53. 54, right? Is it 54? Let me see.

52 was a year, and we fucked up. Oh, well, shit. And then we did the next show, and then here's this show. So, 54. It is 54. I need to update the graphic taylor's in charge of the graphics on this show so i'm blaming him sorry that's okay look at that the camera did it again look i love this i just so i updated the thing i don't know how to get it to like recognize that it's new there it is now we're set glorious start to pkn 54 well here we are

let's do this so today this is the survival trip week i think we should talk about that some yeah that's that's i was thinking the same thing i was gonna try and work out a bad joke would you like one i always want one of those. This one's short, so it's got that going for it. Police arrested two kids yesterday. One was drinking battery acid. The other was eating fireworks. They charged one and let

the other off. That's pretty funny. Okay. A little word play there. Alright. I like it. So, we pulled the trigger on a cameraman for this one i think that's the big news that is the big news that's cool so we got his name is patrick he's the how i became guy he was on the show one time he did a lot of the filming not filming i guess but a lot of the editing when wings his channel started like

upping its production quality and um uh yeah so we we i guess took the patreon money bought him a ticket from europe to atlanta and um yeah we'll we'll set him up i think it's gonna be really good um where it's it's what tuesday now and uh so next monday the it's less than a week away we're gonna go into the into the woods and kick this thing off. And we'll have Patrick filming everything the whole way. I think it's going to be good. I'm still, I've got my dad

working on, he actually took it to a mechanic today. They're trying to get the transmission fixed to my silver truck. I feel like it'd be a lot easier to get us all moving around and doing stuff. If you can't fix the silver truck, we'll take mine. And if you can't fix the silver truck we'll take mine and you people can pile in the back i i think it's gonna we'll all be on it like fucking road warriors like like war boys like that'd be pretty that's what we should do she's up front with the guitar oh i

know what we're gonna do i linked you to it earlier i don't know if you clicked it but it's the it's the spray paint from war boys it's like food paint like we totally like like put a black and white filter on that thing get shiny like like get pumped up as we go into the woods like yeah we could do that that'd be funny everybody everybody on your truck uh having a good yeah that was a clever idea i wish i was selling that damn paint right now i bet someone made a quick hundred grand off it I was selling that damn paint right now. I bet someone made a quick hundred grand off it. Just a thought. I don't know.

All right, so that's gonna be good. We'll have Patrick there. We'll have him filming everything. The date's just sneaking up on me. Like, as you said, it's six days away. So like, it's pretty much time to buy anything you need to buy, right? Like, if you don't have the,

we're bringing a couple things, like a knife and I don't know what else. I own most of my stuff. But like do I have a fire starter if I don't like do that now or you won't have it in time and I just need to I don't know get my act you want to talk about the other thing that's that's special about this trip the the other party involved I don't know what we're talking about. The thing that Chiz arranged? The sponsor?

Yes. Yeah, I guess we could. What's the name of the sponsor? Do you know? Shit, worst ad placement ever. Well, like I said, I wasn't sure if we wanted to talk about it yet. I don't know.

I don't know why we act like we're the cia anyway like this information out but sometimes it seems like information is like sensitive and and everybody's like not yet and it's just like why like what are we really building anticipation well sometimes like you don't want to give away free like if they haven't paid yet if they're on the fence or something you don't start giving them what they were going to pay for right but um i know their business model is like loot crate except it's for like camping and preparedness and survival and and stuff like that and um we'll do unboxing videos battle box okay and uh and they're going to give us some some i guess gear to help make it through the week that'll be helpful and go on

you look like you're on the edge of saying something like uh they have an interesting little little model we're not doing ad read here or anything but basically they um you know they have different levels of these battle boxes that include more and more cool like survival type gear like there's there's purified water in their fire, the basic stuff. I think some of the better kits come with knives and water filtration kit and some stuff like that. But yeah, hopefully that stuff arrives in time. And I feel like the little odds and ends that I think we need for this trip, like fire starters and, I don't know, compass. I love the compass. We re-watched some of Wing's survival prep videos a while back and he was all

over that compass and when he got it back home it broke and i was like i bet he felt so like upset at that moment he's like god damn it i was gonna be the one that led him to say and it's broken and he had his double knives anyway he brought a compass but i don't know that he brought a map like i don't think he had a map of where we were going i know he didn't have a map of where we were i don't know how a compass was going to be that helpful without a map i mean i had a compass with me because i got one of these little bitty bubble type compasses that like attaches to my the the like strap of my backpack but at no point did i think there was a conceivable situation where finding north would be necessary and i couldn't figure out east and west from sunlight like you know what i mean like i had a compass just because i keep one in my backpack fair enough yeah uh in

any case yeah battle box should be cool we'll have a bunch of gear from them to to show off during the thing but uh i gotta get some my little odds and ends together i've got my little metal cup that i that i'll like make some squirrel stew and if we're lucky. Yeah, I'm going to bring my Henry, my.22. There's no scope on it or anything. You're going to have a more accurate rifle, right? I'm bringing my AR-15 style MP-22. It's got like 25 rounds in the magazine and a nice high-powered scope on it.

The thing is... I'm sorry, carry on. I talked to my dad about squirrel hunting because i've never actually done it and i was like how do you do this i was like in my head i've heard of people walking through the woods and they happen upon the squirrel and then they shoot him and he's like that doesn't work he's like the squirrel will see you coming and he'll hide on the back side of the tree and as you walk around the tree he'll walk the opposite way around and around the tree so you can't see him.

He said you want to get up before daylight, you want to be sitting there, not moving, just waiting on the squirrels to wake up and one by one they'll come out of their nest and they'll hop on limbs and they'll just kind of sit there and they'll be a target for you and you can just pick them off. That was his suggestion. And you can see squirrel nests are like these big dark bundles of like sticks and twigs that are all intertwined and you can spot them pretty

easy so I hope that that's easy to do I hope we're shooting lots of squirrel and eating them and I'm also working on finding a place where there might be some fish but it's hard to find both and also get a spot where like you're remote and not near

people because rivers are kind of recreational areas most of the time i'm i'm very much like i i'm i feel like i'm more scared this time i don't know why but i like i feel like we're not as prepared yeah we were really ready last time like Like, weeks in advance. There's all these, like, prep videos, people making fires and shit. This time we're like, holy fuck, it's six days away. I guess I should, like, hit up Amazon for a Mylar blanket. Yeah, I've had so much shit going on here. I've been working on stuff, and this has really snuck up on me. Last time I was, like, learning to make traps and making sure I knew how to make the fire,

even though I didn't think that was really necessary and um the the what else the um oh watching all those videos and stuff i'm gonna have to watch some refresher videos so i know how to actually gut a squirrel because i don't recall exactly um i think i feel like that's some important information that i should have uh so yeah it has snuck up on us i feel like we're not as prepared as we were last time but maybe that's a on us. I feel like we're not as prepared as we were last time, but maybe that's a good thing. I feel like we're going to really struggle a bit. Would you kill a squirrel with birdshot, maybe? It seems like that might be a reliable way to kill a squirrel.

It doesn't seem like a sporting way. I don't... It was him or me! I don't know. Maybe you can. Legally speaking is what I mean. Probably. But I don't know um maybe you can legally speaking is what i mean um probably um but i don't know i i feel like they don't have any chance whatsoever if you blast them with a 12 gauge and it's heavy no and you know the shells are heavy that's all that stuff and you don't have like i feel like i can stuff literally like 200 bullets in my pockets.

But alternatively, I could stuff like 20 shells. But I mean, if you wanted to, like, I mean, I've got so many 12-gauge shotguns. Like, I have a plethora of them. Like, you throw a shell carrier on the thing and a sling and you could lug it in there if you wanted to. I wouldn't poo-poo that, I don't think. I got to check the regulations to make sure that's cool because I've never thought about shooting squirrels with a shotgun. That's a thing.

We're somewhat in the public eye. Even if you're not in the public eye, if you film yourself breaking the law and upload it to the internet, you're a special kind of stupid. Yeah. And we'll have to handle all lot of licensing at walmart though like um you'll need like a the georgia small game license and a wma permit and perhaps a fishing license if indeed we end up finding a spot that could be fished that reminds me i need to i need to find that card

that proves i have my safety thing i found mine um i don't remember what i did with it what did i do with that fucking thing i got it out and cut it out and stuck in my wallet i hope but i didn't see it my wallet earlier fuck i hope fuck i like i kept up with that thing so well i literally put it uh on my fridge under a magnet and it's been sitting there for an entire year since the last time we were doing this shit and uh i took it down the other day and like actually cut the card part of it out with some scissors and folded it up and now i don't know what i've done with it i oh you can you look mine up online though you go to yeah that's right you can look it up uh online and print it right out i i imagine i can do the same i think i'll find it

in this room i just i just need to actually really do that yeah Woody and I are gonna be the only two who are licensed to kill as it were or be killed or be killed get rough a pack of squirrels would be hard to deal with semi-auto I feel like I could semi-auto shotgun I hope I was and I really want to go to that Hart County place, but we can't now. I just looked it up a second ago. You can only camp in camping areas. There's different

restrictions for each area. They're not all the same. Some of them you can't camp in at all. Some of them you have to be in the camping areas. One of them in particular, whose name I won't utter just yet, you can camp anywhere and you can also hunt anywhere is there a water source there's a creek there's there's there's

what there's drinking water there's just not it's not fishing water not fishing water i feel like that place has to be full of wildlife though dude i feel like like i know that like like squirrel may not be readily available like i feel like they should be, though. But there should be raccoons and possums and shit like that everywhere, I would think. Every time I drive back in there and there's 40 miles of roads, I see deer. Are there any things we can eat? I was watching Naked and Afraid, and they always seem to be like, ah, what just happens we found a walnut tree here,

or a mango tree, and bananas. Most of their food came from things that you grew, and then they just had a little bit of protein here and there. They were mostly like, hungering for protein. We're counting on surviving off just things that we catch and kill. That, based on the television and reality reality tv is not a good strategy i i i hear you i think the reason i think that that's just scouting and and show production on their

part i think they always pick a spot that has that like i don't know what the wild edible would be here in uh in my area like i know a few like poke salad. Do you know what poke salad is? No. It's like this purple stalk. It has these dark berries on it and these big palm-like looking leaves. You can boil them. They're like cabbage. Black people eat them for whatever reason. I hope that doesn't

sound racist. So racist. Oh my god. It really is. The black people who lived near my dad would come over. Is that why they run fast? Is that what you're saying? They would come over and they would ask if they could come around and look for poke salad in the field because it's like a weed. And they would get it and take it home and cook it. It really is like, I guess maybe you'd call it soul food. Maybe that's more politically correct.

But there aren't any white people eating poke salad. I don't think it's any more politically correct to call it soul food. It definitely isn't white food. Like white people don't eat poke salad, I don't think it's any more politically correct to call it soul food it definitely isn't white food like white people don't eat poke salad i don't think it's like it's a it's a wild plant that you can boil the leaves of is it a watermelon is that what you're saying no nothing like that i'm just trying to make you racist nothing like that at all um but yeah like i don't know like i've got i'm not an outdoorsman or anything like that but like growing up i spent tons of time in the woods hunting like i've been out there and i don't know what there is out there to eat there's acorns i know that the process for

like making acorns palatable they're edible to begin with you can just eat them but they taste like shit they're super super super bitter and you have to like boil them repeatedly changing the water to make them even suitable for eating it seems like um and other than that i don't know what you eat out there like i i don't know so yeah i agree it's it seems risky for all of our food to be based on this squirrel thing i was i was Naked and Afraid and they really sold me on the water filter. So like what was happening is they would boil the water and drink it and they were just dehydrated and they boil the water drink it boil the water drink it and

they're like I can't get ahead. I can never get ahead. I feel like I am sweating at least as much as I'm drinking just by purifying the water. And in their experience, they could tell the water totally need to be purified. They ended up digging a well. Yeah, they needed a bigger pot or something, I guess. I don't know what was making it so hard. A bigger pot, it sounds more efficient, but then I guess you need a lot more wood. My thought was that... I didn't know that was a problem my thought was that making the fire like just keeping the fire fueled was what was building up the sweat ah yeah i'm sure that's part of it too yeah so well are you watching naked and afraid at all probably not are you

familiar with this show have you heard it i'm very yeah i understand the print that yeah i know all about it for people that aren't kyle uh it's a reality tv show i have no idea what channel it's on or anything uh and you go it's usually a guy and a girl but in this particular one it's naked and afraid xl and there's like 15 people out there and uh they have to survive for 40 days and they get to bring excuse me one item so but with with 15 people, there's like a bunch of knives and a bunch of pots and a fire starter. And like the one item when you team up, all of a sudden you've got like four or five items. And it is really good. Like it is.

I'll start. I'll check it out. I want it uncensored, though. Does that seem weird? Like, no, I find that all the censoring makes it like not oh it's not that i'm just like yeah we should see that chick's ass it's like i don't want to see everything all censored out and blurred out like let's just see what's going on here it in those nature documentaries i'm seeing like crazy floppy titties everywhere

if it's the show or if i've changed but something changed because when I watched Survivor remember when Survivor first happened you were probably a kid I remember the first season okay yeah with that Richard guy and whatever uh Richard ran around naked and I also wondered if like like were people having sex in that show you know because there they are out in the woods it's kind of a romantic setting even though they're in a survival situation. But there's guys and girls and they're in their twenties and they're mostly attractive and you know like was sex happening and everyone was like no no no it was totally unsexy I was dirty I was this I was that and I'm like dirty? That ain't slow me down.

Oh fuck your dirty ass. But now that I'm like 43, or no, I'm 42, not 43 yet. I look at Naked and Afraid and I'm like, yeah, that's just not a sexy situation. You know, the lack of food alone might be like, I just don't know that I want to put the energy into it. This is hypothetical single me, of course. to it um this is hypothetical single me of course but uh now i feel more comfortable that double uh hammock that you and i are gonna be in now that i know that a little i i'll see that squirrel i'll be like nah yeah i better keep woody hungry we don't want any more pizza last night um i lost my train of thought but but yeah watched Naked and Afraid And somehow it's not sexy to me And a lot of these women

Are you know they're fit Right they're Shucks at the oldest like 35 and at the youngest like 20 And you know some prime Breeding years And but it's still like Yeah I don't feel like I'm missing out like i said i really don't

want like the any pornographic content added like i'm not saying i want it uncensored so i because i want to see the people naked i just feel like it should be like it feels like a nature thing it feels like you know the the premise is let's let's be super primitive like like why i'm gonna blur that guy's ass crack like like crack? Let's just see what's going on here. There is something better about the, like, the unintended. Like, I'm told that there's one, like, they missed a blur on episode three. I didn't spot it myself. But I'm told they missed a blur.

And people are like, ooh, ooh, ooh, you see it? You see it? There's a cooch. There's a cooch. And, of course, there's plenty of vagina on the internet right there is no shortage of naked but unintended vagina is better something about the like that's accidental vagina that wasn't intended yeah like you know that that was i don't know. There is something better about it. Nobody bought and paid for that vagina. I got it for free.

That's literally what it is. Nobody paid her to show me that vagina. I just happened upon it. If you see an underwear catalog and you make out, usually there's no labia thing. I don't know if they're Photoshopping it or if they're wearing a panty liner. How they make it happen there's

no camel toe yeah like if you open a victoria's secret catalog all those girls are curiously lacking any kind of camel toe and uh but then every so often you see one and you're like whoa that's i know what she looks like naked pretty much through that outfit did you see the guy on reddit whose job was to like go through the victoria's secret catalog and blur out nipples and stuff no i missed it yeah it was a whole thing like like apparently there's a guy who goes and he blurs the nipples up from all stuff and uh and they were talking about you know every now and then one would get would slip through the cracks and then uh and and there it would be and there was another thing what was it the guy blurred something else out his His job was to

censor something. I fucking can't remember now. But yeah, that was cool. It was something else. I'm also trying to think. I forgot what it was. Product placement? Sometimes that gets blurred out. No, no. Anyway.

Yeah, that's a cool show. I like the idea of 40 people out there that sounds like a legit survivor 40 days it was like 15 people yeah oh that's better that makes a lot more sense yeah that's what i'm 40 days yeah 40 days so apparently i forget if the number is 21 or 22 but that's how long you can survive without food and uh it was interesting. At like the 21 or 22 day point, a lot of people were like, damn, you know, like this is when it would be over. And we're just entering the hard half now, you know, like normally we're done by now. And we're like, now we're doing it all over again, but without the like healthy beginning. And, uh, it was, it was cool because it, you see the different groups grow and go and the different philosophies. I don't want

to ruin it all, but like there was one group that, that really kind of lived off the land. They stayed real positive and stuff. And they just kind of had this, like, so one guy had a beard out to here. He was like a nature couples therapist and i from what i could gather he's a professional hippie yeah from what i could gather he would like bring couples that were maybe fighting or whatever take him into the woods and just help him simplify for a while and and recharge and um he was really good but he also had a really good spot. And then there were these two dudes who were there to conquer the woods. And they were chopping down trees with machetes. Scream.

Arr! Yeah! Fuck yeah! And then at one point, the groups found each other. And the guy's like, yeah, man. Different styles. It was just really cool. I was like's like yeah man different styles which is really cool but it was like yeah totally different styles and and you know one

was out there and and both styles work kind of like that I'm talking too long today the hippie dude did really well because he found a really good spot the alpha males did really well because they were just really good at it. But there was another guy that had a real high energy thing. Like he's always climbing trees looking for like a nut or something. And, uh, he killed himself, not,

not literally killed himself, but he, he wore himself out just like doing real high energy shit all the time. And, um, you know, there were these women that were like, dude,

survival has to be lazy. You know, he's like lazy you need to do this you need to do more etc you just into the she's like no chill no one asked you to do any of this stuff you're not being as helpful as you think if you want to survive you know you don't waste all your energy all the time survival is a lazy thing and not different well it should be right up our alley then this should be good dude i don't know i'm wondering about patrick like because um so we're really rough in it i feel like we're not bringing any food or water but patrick doesn't have to rough it he didn't sign up for that i'm wondering like we need to talk to patrick because i i need to know like

what kind of luggage he's bringing his camera gear his batteries all that shit like we need to sort all that out. And also, he needs to be like, hey man, what are you going to do about food for the next five days? Because it'd be cool with us if you had a sandwich or some Spam or some Snickers bars or something. But other than that,

I don't want to have to shoot squirrel for Patrick. If there's extra squirrel, you can have some. But he doesn't get any survival squirrel. If there's one squirrel, I'm not splitting it four ways. That's all I'm saying. Yeah, Patrick, you don't have any rules, so bring some food.

Yeah. Bring some food. I think that's a good way to put it to him. Like, hey, man, just so you know, like, you don't have to survive with us, and we won't be helping you survive out there, so just act accordingly. How's he going to charge his gear? i imagine he's got quite a few batteries but even professionals don't have

enough for all of this so he needs access to a car and i have an inverter in my i think i have your inverter in my truck i think you left it there and then in the whitewater rafting trip it's possible and i've had it ever since. You can have it back. I've got two of them. I don't know. I got one that looks like a coffee cup. Anyway.

If we take my truck, which we totally could, it'd be, I don't know how long is the, but we don't know exactly where we're camping yet. But you think it's about 20 minutes from your house, right? So the one that, the big place that uh that i think is is it's pretty ideal other than i haven't nailed down exactly where the fuck we're going to go in there um it looks like we could park quite close to the truck like 15 or 20 minutes like because basically the the roads are like wilderness roads so anytime you're on the road you're in the middle of nowhere so once you get to the road you're in the middle of nowhere so

once you get to the spot you want to be you kind of just get off and start walking and every step you take is just another it's not like every step you take is getting you farther away from people every step you take is just getting you farther away from the road because you're already kind of wilderness area it might make sense to bring like like, fill the tank, bring some gasoline, and just know I've got all the idling that you could want. You know, he can charge off that truck forever. You know, if it's five hours a day, it doesn't matter. Just a thought. Yeah, I hear you.

Yeah, that'd be good. I think it'll work. We've got to nail down the nitty-gritty stuff, like where we're going to meet and how we're going to get everything situated and where stuff's going to be left and all that stuff. And timing and everything, because I know Jason's coming to you up in North Carolina, and the two of you are meeting up and coming down here,

and I'm picking him up at the airport and bringing him back here, and then we're all coordinating and going somewhere. So we just need to nail all that down. But I think it'll be good. Everyone will land at your place on Sunday sometime. That'll be good. And maybe we pick up Patrick and Kitty's car.

Just a thought. I don't know if that's an option. But she might be better if we were to go with four people. Does that make sense? Yeah. Maybe so. If your truck's not fixed your truck would be perfect yeah yeah i hear you i'm just thinking about like like kitty's gonna be gone then anyway yeah that'd be fine yeah i keep finding myself wanting it today so we carpool now um so that it's nice because hope's like i want to say her school's like 40 minutes away and then 30 minutes back sometimes it's almost an hour and now that we split it with

another family there's a lot less driving cuts in half and this morning I was the driver and then I needed to go to apex and get an air compressor but my air compressor it's almost six feet tall like you could you know what a 60 gallon air compressor looks like and there was this fight. I wanted to take my truck cause I knew I'd be able to bring it home in the truck. Whereas with the forerunner, I wasn't sure. And everyone was fussing at me that I couldn't possibly have people sit in the back of the Tacoma. It's like, damn it. If I had my dream truck, you know, a full-sized American truck with four doors, dream truck you know a full-sized american truck with four doors then this would be fine and now here's a like fast forward like six days i need it again like it would be the ideal thing to pick

up patrick in the at the airport with and carry four grown men uh it'd be ideal for the camping trip etc i don't know i want yeah i uh i hope mine gets fixed this time. This will be the third time the transmission's been rebuilt or replaced. I replaced it once and rebuilt it another time and rebuilt the transfer case as well. So we'll see. I've been just not wanting to do it because I'm just so angry at the whole situation,

but we'll see what they find. They said there wasn't any fluid in it again when they opened it up. So right now it's got first and second gear. They're saying there's some solenoids that have something to do with the gear changing that could be the issue. They're looking into that now. Because right now it's got, like, first and second gear, and the tachometer's not responding,

and, like, there's a traction control warning and a check transmission light. It's super bizarre. I worry that American trucks aren't as good as I want them to be. I think it's just this one. This one in particular is just a lemon. That's what's going on here. Because that Tacoma, I never worry about it at all. It does everything I ask it to.

Everything. Just don't even bother. It's fine. It's perfect. And my wife's car, I feel like we've repaired stuff here and there, mostly because I was lazy. Lately, I've been fixing it myself. But both of them just go.

She's about to hit 200,000 miles. She's at like 198, 199. And I'm at 130, mid something. A 2002 Silverado has 240,000 miles on it. And it's... Just fuel pumps. And my dad's got another 2002 Silverado, and I think it's like 190,000.

And it's the same thing. That's encouraging. It's the one that I've got. It's just a lemon. It really is. That's all there is to it. It's repeated issues with the transfer case or the transmission. Yeah, and I don't know what to buy in particular i really like the look of the dodges but i have the least amount of confidence in them

like quality wise yeah um uh i could go new and that would be a thing but if i were to go new that'd be kind of all i got right you know you got a new truck that's it i could get one at like 20 something or in the 20s or really low 30s and then maybe have something else as a daily driver. You get a very nice truck for $20,000, half ton, 20, 25. Yeah. If you try to get a three-quarter ton, which would be ideal, then... Because even now...

I don't think you need that. You don't need a 250. So here's the thought process behind that. One, I'd like to be able to tow my tractor. Even right now, I'm thinking about getting a backhoe. I need to take my tractor to the place. I've got the trailer for it. Right?

Why do you need these things? Why do I need a backhoe? Yeah. Oh, well, I don't know that I can fully justify the cost of backhoe. But here's the thing. Lining our driveway, we have like 30 trees, maybe more. And they got infected with some sort of like parasite. And almost half of them are dying.

And they're not the trees we want anyway. So we were talking about digging them up and planting like some sort of blossoming like cherry tree or pear tree or something like that. So that's a lot of holes and a lot of trees you're digging up and we've got a handful of stumps around the property. That's a thing. I have a, um, propane tank that sits next to the private driveway and, um, the people won't bury it. What to bury yourself you need to hire someone with a backhoe that's that's definitely a job where you want to to rent some equipment or or hire someone to come work for you and then for the shop we're building i need to run a water line and power lines right and that needs to of course go underground and i just feel like

two days worth of work two or three days worth of work with a piece of equipment. That backhoe is, you're talking about, I mean, an excavator is expensive and like, you just don't use it all that time, all that much. See, it might be, it'd be six grand. That's what, in the sixes, six something is what it would cost to put a backhoe on my tractor. I quoted it out. And so it'd be in the sixes is it cheaper to hire it like do i have six thousand dollars worth of work to do i bet with the trees we're getting close there was a guy who lived near my dad and when my dad had like big jobs to do that needed a real hold up this guy had a legit excavator there was one time when there's a creek that goes under his driveway

and there was a big storm and it washed all that out. The pipe went away, the road caved in, it was just a river and you couldn't get across. This guy came in and anytime there was a project like that, but it was just a couple hundred dollars a day. He'd come in and work for three or four or five hours and the guy's a professional with it. Three or four hours out of him, you get a lot of stuff done. And it'd be a couple hundred bucks, and that was the day. But something like burying that propane tank, that's like a... You paused for me.

I'm that job in minutes. Oh, can you hear? How about now? It just got your back uh i was just saying like like burying that propane tank is you know that that's like a couple minute long job oh hello there hey kyle nice of you to come over here welcome for the audio listeners his camera zooms in so every so often and it only happens when he's with me i don't know why. I don't know. I don't use the camera much with other people.

No, no, never. I think it's just just for the show, really. Yeah. But anyway, so you're right. Like, I swear a pro would bury a propane tank in like 25 minutes or something like that. Right. Like he'd have that whole dug be no big deal I called suburban propane asking them to do a buried tank and they're like we won't you know we need like she said there was rock in our

ground or something like that and I had to have someone else dig the hole I don't know but it basically I was thinking about getting a battery refill it if you so we're gonna I don't know how this basically, I was thinking about getting a back door. How do they refill it if you... So, were you going to... I don't know how this works. There are buried propane tanks and they have... Do you need a new propane tank? You do. But ours is leased.

So, we would just say take it back. And, you know, the motivation... One, I don't like the look of the propane tank. It looks like we've got a bomb sitting in the yard. Yeah, I don't like it either. Yeah. And the other part of it is when you lease a tank, you have to go to this place. And we just got a bill for $1,000 for propane.

And I looked it up, and it looked like they charge us $3 a gallon for propane when the going rate is like $2.15. And it's like, well, fuck. That was like $300 they raped us on the propane. You can negotiate that price. When you lease it it there's not a lot you can do i could talk to him um maybe it's a different situation maybe my dad owns his tanks so in his case he has enormous tanks they're like much bigger around than like the standard house size one and they're like three or four times as long like 5 000 gallons is in my head okay but anyway um like he negotiates his price and like i know like a nick because like a nickel

here and there with the amount of gas he uses in the winter is pretty big deal he'll use thousands of gallons of gas in the winter yeah i yeah i don't know so i was talking i was thinking of buying a propane tank burying it and being good yeah i think he used like nine thousand dollars worth of gas uh in a month something like that it's a lot of gas that is a lot of gas yeah that's a it's a business what is he using it for heating the uh heating the uh the how the the poultry. I think recently they switched to natural gas and ran natural gas to him. And so now he can go either way, whichever is cheaper, I think. My prediction is natural gas will be cheaper most of the time. It is cheaper, yeah.

I think he fabricated some stuff. One thing nice about propane, though. Oh, never mind. I was going to say if the power goes out, you have propane still, but that's true with natural gas as well. Sometimes the survival prep people like propane because they're completely self-sufficient, but you're getting into a spot where-

Yeah, cut that line. All I got to do is turn it off. Right? Like in a real shit hits the fan situation, propane is good, but that's not usually something that I weigh heavily in my decisions. Yeah, me either. Like, I always like to separate myself from the –

so, like, I don't mind the prepping thing. Knock yourself out. There's just so many – like, gun – I don't know how to say this. Like, gun guys encompasses a big group of people. And I'm somewhere in the middle there, probably farther on the right in that spectrum than the more moderate side,

because I like suppressors and machine guns and explosives and all that crazy stuff. But those crazy prepper guys who think that the government's going to fall apart any minute now and you need to be prepared now. Why don't you have 10,000 rounds now? Like, why don't you have 50 gallons of honey right now? Like, I'm not on the same page as them.

Like, I don't think our militia group is going to be necessary anytime soon. Like, in a practical kind of way in my local area. I just don't buy into all that. I love the idea of, like, yeah, I got fucking 10,000 rounds of ammo there because America. Like, I got no problem with that. Like, that's all you got to say is America. Like, I'll say on board with that immediately. Like, no, you got, I don't stockpile ammo anymore.

I stackpile kegs of powder and components. I can reload 8 million rounds of ammunition now on any configuration I want. I'm not going to laugh at you i'm gonna say america like yeah like fuck yeah now you're speaking my language super self-sufficient ammo forever but like if you if you're like why don't them black helicopters come got old betsy here with this armor piercing ammo and this is like what the fuck man they're just gonna bomb you out if you become a big enough problem like let's let's not fight the federal government today like that's not a good idea there's that the fighting federal government or just the whole

like oh the whole the federal government we gone it'll be chaos it'll be you know um uh mad max i think that's what i'm yeah rogue warrior mad max days yeah yeah like that's what's coming that's why dead that's why my building is you know armor plated and that's why you know why we've got a shipping container with armor plating that we can live in and you can't get in here and all this crazy stuff. I saw the guy. He was a prepper. He was on some TV show and he had an armor plated

shipping container and it was safe up to 22. Safe up to 22? Motherfucker. I got shit around here that'll kill you pretty dead that's not safe at all what he was said he was claiming that the con xbox was like some sort of gun protection he buffed up his con xbox a little bit so now i could he was able to shoot it with a 22 and have it not go through and it's, I got handguns that'll go through.

It'll punch better than a.22. That's true, right? I got a... Oh, all I have is... I think.357 is the best I have. Would that be the.22? Yeah. Yeah.

It's.357. You go like 1,400, 1,500 feet per second. Yeah. That'll probably get you. And that's a handgun yeah you're gonna have to talk about i like 357 cartridge that's a that's a cool cartridge it's fast it's powerful you can kill a deer with that i like um lever guns are the thing that i'd like to have more of like i think that'd be fun to have some lever guns i uh i don't have any i've got 22 or two

i have one but it loads from the barrel. I really want one that loads from the side. I had one like that growing up. It was a 30-30. No complaints. I think Mossberg makes a tactical lever action that's got Picatinny rails. You love the tactical stuff. It's not my cup of tea. Well, it's not that I want to get tactical.

It's just that I like the Picatinny rails. That allows you to really easily mount attachments. On my.30-30 lever action, I would definitely want an optic. Most of the traditional ones just have regular sights. There's not anything to mount to up there. It would just be iron sights. I want

a scope on mine. I start thinking practically, what am I ever going to use a lever action.30-30 for and the only thing that jumps to mind is like shooting pigs it would be perfect for that it's a big fat slow cartridge you'd have like follow-up shots tactical pig gun out of my 30 30 like like that's what i would that's the way i would go if i wanted one i am most thing most likely thing i would shoot is like paper or a tree or something and uh the tree doesn't bleed i know right so boring but um uh the truthful i i i guess i just want the kind of gun i've seen in westerns that's what's attractive to me uh i i don't see myself dressing up in you

know cowboy action like they do for those competitions but i wish one guy at those things came in there like dressed like i don't know like a hipster or something like he didn't give a fuck about that cowboy bullshit he had all the guns and stuff but he was just like just dressed like a hipster or something i i hate it when they're dressed up like cowboys out there doing it should be full top hat like a tight button down shirt hipster uh or fedora uh i'd like to see hippie i think that'd be fun if guy came in there all flower powered and and did his thing tie-dye yeah especially if he was the best if he showed up all tie-dye and just beat everyone that'd be fun but uh so i think you need to kill something too i think we need to go on a hunting trip i think we i think we need to go on a hunting trip i think we

i think we need to go on a hunting trip where we kill like something that's as big as we are like a pig or a like i have no interest we could do an african safari nah nah um as far as killing things go and like not having outcry, those wild pigs in Texas are honestly perfect. They're a PR dream come true if you're a hunter. That's the big thing with a hunter. There's this whole politically correct thing. Are you doing it for the right reasons? Are you eating the hooves?

Did you eat the hooves? Did you eat them? Did you waste the hooves? Murder! You don't want anybody yelling you need to make hoof soup yeah or glue or something like you don't need nobody judging your your hunting you want to do it in a way that like it's going to offend as few people as possible even though you're killing a fucking animal so picking those pigs is like oh here's a non-indigenous invasive species that's

like doing damage to people pets livestock and uh crops like it's it's perfect like it not only that it's ugly if you look at them they're all smelly and they've got long hair and they look hideous they got tusks uh so like they're perfect and i think we should go kill some of those even if it's not like a pka trip or anything like we should just go to texas and find a place to go and like go for like three days just go kill some like even if it's not a helicopter or anything like that i think you need to kill a thing with one of your guns you got all those guns you've never killed a thing with them and that's what they're for except for that one squirrel i won't retell the squirrel story but yeah there was a dying squirrel shot him put him on his injury yeah i i think i i think um it's it's

a lot of fun it sounds maybe it sounds morbid to some people but it's a lot of fun looking through the crosshairs and it's you know your heart's racing and it's a do or die moment literally and you kill a big animal i do it i'm trying to think i think i need a new gun or borrow because that would you use a 223 yeah sure oh if a 223 is good then i'm set i got a bunch yeah if a 233 is not good then i need like a 308 or something i don't know i would probably like if we went together then like i definitely got enough cool shit to outfit us both with something neat so probably we'd probably take like ar10 semi-automatic 308 it's like an ar15 but it's 308 instead like probably take something

like that that's what i took last time and it was highly effective but i've also shot him with 223 and that was also highly effective that expensive ammo that you can get like hunting ammo that's like 40 bucks a box and you're paying like two dollars a shot for 223 but holy smokes yeah it's like this bullshit black tip ballistic uh tip stuff but i was when i was shooting those things out of the helicopter my acr like and i shot him once and he dropped and then he you know he twist a little but we just shot him again but everybody else was using 308s it's it really doesn't matter what you take it that's the fun of it like in my head in a dream scenario if i were doing helicopter hunting i'd bring an arsenal right like i'd bring my semi-automatic shotgun with the stick magazines and and be shooting buckshot and just dun dun dun dun dun dun buckshot and then i'd have like my three round

burst uh aug a3 you know machine gunning stuff like what was that fully automatic shotgun the video got a lot of use a12 a12 do you own an a12 or is that just borrowed that's uh that's the guy who owns those like only one person owns an a12 it's the guy who owns those. Like, only one person owns an AA-12. It's the guy who... So AA stands for Atchison Automatic. It was the Atchison Automatic 12-gauge. A guy from Georgia invented the thing, came up with the whole thing.

And then this guy named Jerry Baber bought the designs and the whole thing from him. He lives in Tennessee and using high-speed photography, and he was already an engineer, kind of eccentric genius kind of guy. he perfected the thing he got the timing right on it that was a big problem with the reliability but he's the only one that has any at all he only does overseas military sales

and he'll I lost you what did you say after he only does overseas military sales oh where did you lose me uh he only does and he rents to uh to film and for films and movies and stuff and he's charging like a quarter million dollars a day to like get the things uh out there to be filmed so yeah nobody owns one i was i was talking to him one time i was talking to him once about like making a semi-automatic version and and he said he didn't like the uh the liability that came along with that he hated the idea of someone like doing something criminal with his

gun because it's been such a lifelong kind of pet project of his he really is in love with the thing he doesn't need it for financial gain or anything like that. He just loves the project. And I was like, well, look, we'll rebrand it as something else. We'll license it differently, and it won't technically be you doing it. He's like, no, no, no, I don't want to do it. So he's got no interest in selling any. What's next to you on the couch there, above, to me, your left shoulder?

Cunan 357 Magnum 1911 um it's uh is it loaded no it's the full most of your guns are unloaded around the house right like there's always a gun next to you but they tend to be unloaded right um well like i like to so there's no need for all of them to be loaded because i feel like that's irresponsible and because only one or two of them really need to be loaded so in case i needed to like defend myself or something like that um so like that's irresponsible and because only one or two of them really need to be loaded so in case i needed to like defend myself or something like that um so like there's a glock in my bedroom drawer with you know loaded up and there's a 1911 in my in one of my cars and uh there's a 357 magnum in the other one and i got my chris vector over there and uh you know in the corner and it's

loaded but that's it everything else is unloaded um i don't know there's guns all around me right now like the wall over there is covered with guns that's a 50 cal barrel there that's a that's a 12 gauge barrel there like i just kind of got them scattered around right now most of mine so i have i have only two safes uh there's a little handgun safe in one of those closets behind me and then the rest are by the bedroom. We have a different situation. Definitely so. I have a scattering concept that I like to use with mine.

I need to get them all together. I'm still... I don't want to get into that now, but yeah. I guess that's it, right? As far as the survival trip, I think we covered all that with Patrick and everything. The survival trip is still sneaking up on me. I've got to really plan my stuff. I was thinking, I don't want to promise this,

but I might do a day in the life tomorrow, and if I do, I'll totally include a little prep work, take an inventory of what I have, what I need, stuff like that. Because I think if I order everything by tomorrow, by Wednesday, I'm sure to have it by Saturday and we leave Sunday. I'm trying to think what I've ordered recently. I got some pants that seem like a no-brainer, but I wasn't sure what kind of pants to wear.

And I found these Rothko Vietnam Jungle P jungle pants and I love them. They're kind of baggy. I feel they breathe well. They've got these really big cargo pockets on them. They've got like an automatic belt built into them that'll like cinch up on the sides because the sizes are like small, medium, large. There's no waist sizes and they just look like they'll be perfect for this. I got those but I want a shirt. I want like undershirts that are like that breathing fabric like dry fit and then I want a shirt. I want undershirts that are like that breathing fabric, like dry fit. And then I want an over shirt that's like a button-up or something. I want more tough clothes.

Almost all the things I wear when I do construction or yard work or whatever are things I used to wear daily and got demoted to junk clothes. You need some car hearts. Yeah. I'm starting to think, like, you know what? and uh you need some car hearts yeah i'm starting to think like you know what i bet you'd look good like that like like i bet jack you'd like this like rustic dude i'm not even kidding like you should so you should be rustic woody like that'd be a whole new thing so you get like the beard for sure you'd have like one of those car heart jackets that's kind of like the khaki color. Maybe like denim underneath. I'm thinking denim for you.

And some Carhartt jeans, but also the khaki colored jeans that Carhartt makes, like not the blue jeans, I think. A lot of my daily clothes are really cheap. Like I was going to say, like I was about to say, I bet this shirt was like $4, but this shirt was free. This shirt was $7,000. They gave it to me because I donated. It was a charity thing.

So depending on how you count it. But a lot of my shirts are cheap. Yeah, hey Kyle. Up, up. Came close again. I'm going to come close to you. Hey. So yeah, a lot of my clothes. shirts are cheap yeah hey Kyle up up came close again gonna come close to you hey so uh um yeah a lot of my clothes it just means they're cheap and they're they're not really ideal for tough things like it maybe this camping trip is a good opportunity for me to buy like two pairs of pants

then I'll have some tough clothes I was looking at um I couldn't find the uh a button-up shirt that I wanted exactly and then i stumbled upon the bear grill survival shirt and i'm not gonna get it because a i think it's like 70 dollars and b it's the bear grill survival shirt which seems super lame right um but it looked like exactly what i wanted like if it didn't say bear grills i'd buy it like the only reason i don't want the bear grill survival shirt is because it is a Bear Grylls survival shirt. Everything else about it is very appealing to me. I like the look of it, the utility aspects that it brings along, the fabric, everything.

But it's the Bear Grylls shirt and I don't want it. He seems like the fake suburbanite version of a survival person, right? And his show is fake. And it's just... He's a legit guy, though. He was SAS. He climbed Mount Everest. Like, those aren't small feats. True.

I think his show was just more entertainment than substance. But it wasn't billed as that. If it was billed as, look at this crazy guy doing funny things in the woods. And that'd be one thing. I just enjoy his antics but it was always billed as this is how you survive and then it's like ridiculous risks you know like if you need to get down a river don't walk next to the river no no no that's too slow jump in the fucking white water rapids hanging on to a log oh Don't worry, I'll build me a boat! Yeah, and you know...

Remember when he was climbing up those vines out of that crevasse, like with a river in the bottom of it? Like, it was crazy! Like, he was drinking water out of rhino shit, and like, like, he gave himself an enema! He gave himself, he, alright, so here's the great one, like, I didn't know this,

this, I feel like this is a bit of a survival skill, maybe. He's, on his, he was surviving on like a raft at sea, So here's the great one. I didn't know this. I feel like this is a bit of a survival skill maybe. He was surviving on a raft at sea. And of course there's no fucking fresh water. And he's giving himself salt water enemas. Because apparently that works. And your butthole won't absorb the salt or something. I don't know.

Is that a way for people to drink salt water? It seemed like it. As he was ramming the tube up his ass on the boat and he moaned and groaned as he did it he was like just bent over think of home and like like got in the missionary position and shoved like an inch tube up his ass it wasn't like some three eighths inch like water hose no it was like one inch clear plastic tubing that he like wormed up his butthole to give himself a saltwater enema at sea that guy's i i admit that i guess he built himself as like you know man versus wild that that's the name of the fucking show but like i always kind of noticed that there was a lot of entertainment built in i didn't realize he was staying at hotels or

anything like that of course until it all came out disappointing yeah i didn't realize he was staying at hotels or anything like that, of course, until it all came out. Disappointing. Yeah, I didn't know about the hotels and such until it came out. I'm reading about saltwater animals now. But I could instantly tell that a lot of the tips he was giving were total bullshit. And it just so happens I went off-roading a lot when I first started watching his show. And one of my off-roading buddies was a SEER. Are you familiar with SEERS? What does it stand for? You've told me before. Survival, Evade, something, and Escape.

Rescue and Escape, I think. S-E-R-E. And basically his job was to teach downed pilots and people who might otherwise find themselves behind enemy lines how to survive off the land until they're rescued and how to resist torture. That was another thing that he was an expert in. But basically, his job would be – he was the guy that would teach a Bear Grylls how to survive off the land. Bear Grylls was SAS. When he went for training, he would go to somebody like a seer. Now, of course, he's British, but whatever. So, you know, I was asking this guy, like, you know, like, this guy's drinking his own

urine. Can you drink your own urine? I saw it in Fight Club. They said it's sterile. And he would be like, no, drinking your own urine is not a good thing. It is too salty. Your body needs a lot of fluid to get the salts out of a fluid. You know, that's why like, you know, you have like fluid retention, you blow it up. If you eat a lot of salty foods and such, if you drink your urine, which is incredibly salty, it's not too far from salt water. He's like, it's just not a good survival tactic. All right. This guy knows shit. And he would start our campfires too.

He had a good technique. He had a big knife, not too different from that SOG knife that you used to have and that I still do. And he would use a log and he would hit it and make smaller logs and stuff. It turned it into pretty much an ax. It was pretty cool. Anyway, so this guy would sit there and debunk bear grillis all the time and it gave me kind of a different look at him but it's grills right yeah like multiple

cooking implements grills yep all right i think i can burn that one in yep all right i think i can burn that one in so well that's about an hour gosh this survival trip is creeping up on us i'm psyched i think we might miss a pka and pkn we might try to do something on site yeah i feel like we can film the pkn on site i feel like that would be really easy like dirty video of like you know that he could shoot and edit together for us the upload on it might be weird i it yeah we have no idea there's a there's a potential possibility that like we could upload it using 4g i think that could be done i think it'd be smart if I just brought a Mac and some cables and stuff and see what we get. Yeah, and maybe could do it from the truck.

There's definitely 4G back there. I can't speak to once you put it into the woods, but I would think so. I was driving around back there texting pictures and stuff. Hmm. Yeah, it might break the vibe, but if we had access to the truck, we could even drive to the top of a

hill or something and get 4G, get the upload done, and come back and get to surviving. Yeah, I don't know what the upload would be like on an hour-long HD video, though. It seems like in this area, 4G is like 5 megabit upload or something. It's pretty good.

We'll see how it goes. Maybe we're out there like, hey like it's pretty good. I don't know what we'll see how it goes You know maybe maybe but we're out there like hey, it's PK n time fuck PK in Like lines under his eyes Push Chiz! He's eating Patrick! He's eating Patrick! He's putting the lines under his eyes. I'm bringing some face paint. I'm not sure why yet, but I just feel like it could be funny in a video. Just like day one and Chiz is over there all

war painted out or something like that. So I'll bring my face paint. We're going to have some fun. It's going to be good. Dude, here's the thing. I don't know what – Chiz is going to have no gear. Here's the thing you might not know about Chiz. He is cheap, like cheapity cheap.

I don't know if you know anyone as cheap as Chiz. Chiz will buy cigarettes. Chiz will buy – Not anymore. Cigarettes. Cigarettes. Oh, so cigarettes are out, huh? So Chiz buys snacks and bus tickets. I shouldn't talk about it.

Chiz is hoarding cash and pretty effectively. Like one of those chipmunks that keep shoving another one. He just, I tell you, if you give that guy a dollar next year, like, you know, pretending that he doesn't invest it or anything, he'll still have 98 cents. He lives off nothing. he does nothing but earn money that's his that's his passion and interest and uh and that's what he's up to lately yeah so it'll be interesting like when he goes camping i can totally picture him just like shivering on a pile of leaves being like i didn't have to buy a sleeping bag. You know? Fuck that. If you should take his ass to Dick's Sporting Goods or Gander Mountain or Grady's Outdoor Sports

or whatever it may be and show him the shit he needs to get. My dad's friend is so frugal that he won't buy himself a pair of boots. His boots were worn out. And my dad's telling me, he's like, I guess I won't say the guy's name, he's like, he needs some new boots.

And I was like, well, you know, why does he buy some boots? He's like, he won't spend the fucking money on the boots. I was like, what are you going to do? He's like, I'm going to have to buy him some boots, but I don't want to embarrass him. I was like, well, we figured out how to do it. I was like, well, go buy yourself a pair and then tell him that his were free. Tell him they were buy one, get one free, and then give him a pair of boots. And I saw him the other day with like a brand new pair of timberlands on i'm just like he was literally so cheap that he

wouldn't buy a pair of boots so dad had to buy him a pair of boots i need a pair of boots i've been wearing hiking i guess you call them boots but i've been wearing hiking boots to do work around the stable and stuff and it's just i don't know you've done some construction before steel toe boots become a tool. It's like having a sledgehammer on. If I carry something heavy, I like to drop it on my feet. Not drop it, but like put it down on my feet, get my delicate fingers out, and then pull my feet

out the last inch. If you step on a nail, the soles kinda like give you a little warning or something. Like if you step on a nail with a sneaker, that sucker p right through if you have a work boot it might not poke through or if it does you you know you stepped on something you get a chance to react back back off before you need a tetanus shot thank you and uh i'm just like i need some boots i have some boots but they got the dog chewed on them and i bought some boots a while back they're not exactly hiking boots but they're they're they're cat like caterpillar boots uh like the like the bulldozer

company i like them a lot i like those boots yeah i don't know they're they're just a little bit different i think they were priced about the same as like the the timberlands i don't know 80 bucks or something but i like i prefer these and they were different they i just like that they look differently they were good caterpillar boots i that they look different. I thought they were good. I read that good boots last like 20 years or something. And at the time, my feet were hurting because I was wearing bad boots. And it was like every day because I was wearing them in the shop to do woodworking. And I'm like, all right, I'm going to go.

I'm going to get myself a good, solid pair of American boots that are supposed to last like 20, 25 years. Like, you know, at my usage anyway. And do that. And then like, whatever. Five years. Like, you know, at my usage anyway. And do that. And then like, whatever, five years in, the dog chewed on them in such a way that now it's, you know at the very top of the boot, there's usually like a fluffy part by your Achilles tendon that's chewed up now. And now it's a scratchy part that's kind of like,

and I'm like, yeah. Do you like, now were these like lace ups they were lace up their red wings if you've heard of that how do you okay that uh how do you feel about cowboy boots though like like slip on i'm not necessarily like western style but right i'm totally down with the concept i worry that they'll be loose like they just can't be as supportive right i like them um i've worn georgia boots and you know they come up to like uh i don't know where's my foot start though right i don't know i come up like here somewhere uh-huh uh so definitely not the back of your knee but they come up highish a lot, definitely not all the way up.

Yeah, not like riding boots or something, but I like them. They always fit tightly enough on me. They get hot, though. They're really hot. They don't breathe. It's solid leather. There's no breathing at all.

There's not even the holes for laces and the tongue and all that. That doesn't exist. So that was my biggest complaint with full cowboy boots, I guess, was that they just don't breathe. That's a thing, too. I think my feet might be sweatier they just don't breathe. That's a thing too. I think my feet might be sweatier than most people's feet.

That's kind of yucky to talk about. But I'm really sensitive to hot shoes. I'm always looking for a cooler version. Even in the winter, I've never had shoes that were too cold. Never. Always too hot. Yeah.

Yeah. That makes sense. So of course, I'm not sure what kind of footwear I'm going to wear for this. I don't think it particularly matters. Depending on if it's wet or somewhere, if we're walking around a creek, it might be nice to have something that would work there.

But I'm either going to wear those boots. I'm probably going to wear those boots. I'm going to wear those boots. I'm going to wear my hiking boots, and I'm going to bring a pair of flip-flops. I'll bring those mandals that I had last time. Those keen sandals those things are $120

I love those things that's my favorite pair of footwear they're hideous but they're utilitarian they do a job yeah as a matter of fact I think actually one of the biggest differences in your water crossing ability compared to mine

I think the shoes played a big factor oh yeah we were walking across yeah probably probably that and i don't know if my pack was any heavier or whatever or i think i might have just been more concerned about getting my pack wet i felt like it was death if i just tipped over and all my gear got soaked that was a fear too yeah yeah it was uh it was that water was fast that was i went and i showed uh showed my girlfriend that video the other day and she was laughing she was like why'd you cut it off i was like i had to go get him i was like i didn't know if he was gonna make it

uh yeah i don't know i i i i wasn't scared of being hurt or drowning or anything because i could easily just take the pack off i was scared of getting all my gear wet. Like, that would have been a big concern to me. It was hard to, like, navigate yourself across because there were big boulders and loose wobbly rocks. And then there'd be a sandbar and it would, like, drop off. Like, big wobbly algae-covered boulders. It was really difficult to get any kind of bearing. And when you picked your foot up, the current wanted to pull it away so as you're trying to step and place it you know normally you

lean with your body weight and you're kind of like falling forward and when you walk but that doesn't work here you have to like fight the current with your foot as you place it gingerly and you couldn't see the bottom so you're blindly feeling you know what might be there in your next step and that was if you could see the bottom that probably'd probably help a ton with your planning. But instead, you didn't know what, you didn't know, and it got deep in a hurry, right? So it would go from like knee deep to thigh deep in a step. And then if it goes from,

if it goes from knee deep to thigh deep in a step, what's the next step? You don't know, right? Could be head high, could be knee again. Could be anything. Yeah, it was really tricky. If you could see, you might even step over the deep part. You know, like I'd take a big step

and just go from knee to knee. But you couldn't see and you didn't know what was going on. And yeah, it was very tricky. That was fun. I'm looking forward to this next trip. Dude, we're doing it again. We got Chiz there. And this will be, like, I'm kind of excited about it.

I've gotten to the point where I'm kind of gathering some life experiences, you know? Like, I feel like we'll talk about this thing. Or at least it'll be burned into your head till death. There'll be that time that you did survival in the woods for a week. Yeah, we will remember this experience for quite some time, regardless of how it goes. Um, I, I'm,

I'm looking forward to this. Yeah. It'll be good. All right. Well, that was PKN episode 54. Thanks for coming out guys. And,

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