Pardon My Take - 2X NBA Champ Mike Miller In Studio, Randy Moss, Nuggets Force A Game 7, Hank Saves The Celtics And Has A New Rival In Timothee Chalamet + NFL Schedule Release

Episode Date: May 16, 2025

The Caps are out of the playoffs and PFT was on the glass for Game 5 (00:00:00-00:14:50). Nuggets force a Game 7 and new story comes out on Caleb Williams being drafted by the Bears (00:14:50-00:33:19). Hank went to Boston for Game 5 to save the Celtics season and had a showdown with Timothee Chalamet (00:33:19-00:57:05). Warriors get bounced by the Wolves and it may be the end of the Steph run and Playoff Jimmy (00:57:05-01:02:29). We talk some playoff hockey and NFL schedule release with a bonus Mt Rushmore of best games of the year (01:02:29-01:27:24). 2X NBA Champ Mike Miller joins the show to talk about his career, playing with Lebron, first time meeting Jokic, life as an agent and more (01:27:24-02:08:11). We then welcome on our guy Randy Moss to talk some Preakness, how to fix horse racing and a special guest Sandman from the barn (02:08:11-02:34:34). We finish with Fyre Fest of the week (02:34:34-02:46:22).You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/pardon-my-take

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Friday May 16th and PFT we are no longer a gape. I'm sorry. I know I'm all closed off emotionally, physically, spiritually. I even I left my sunglasses on the flight to Washington, DC. And I felt like I was just out of rhythm from that point on. Just just nothing clicked into place. But the good thing about this game, and there are some positives I took away from this game, in terms of perspective, I got to watch a hockey game with my mom, she had an absolute blast. She kept looking at me being like, Son, this is so fun. I can't believe we're doing this is the best Mother's Day ever. Thank you so much. Yeah, bigger bigger than sports.

Mother's Day is it was bigger than sports. And she was just like, you know, we love spending time with each other. And so even though it was a tough loss, I think it really showed me that, you know, some things truly are bigger than sports. And she kept saying, son, it could be worse. She calls you son. Yeah, son could be a lot worse. I'm so glad we're not Maple Leafs fans, because that's embarrassing. And at least we won the Stanley Cup in 2018. She kept saying, son, the the WNBA starts this weekend, and I wouldn't want the series to continue and take away the shine from WNBA opening weekend. Facts. She just kept saying, son, I love you. This is just a magical Mother's Day.

Best Mother's Day ever. So it was fun being on the glass with her. We are rookies on the glass though. I brought her this big meal from one of the restaurants that they have in the concourse and a couple drinks brought it down to the front row. First thing I did put the drinks on the shelf next to the glass. I thought it would be okay. And then I think it was Van Reemsdijk. I think he checked somebody right into the glass right in front of us. Her bourbon goes flying everywhere. My beer goes flying everywhere. But you know what? It was just one of those moments. It's memory that we made together. So yeah, she likes on it. It's okay. We're both wet. Yeah, son. Thank you for thank you for buying me that bourbon, even though it's all over

your lap right now. So it was really a bonding experience for that. Now it sucks. Listen, it sucks. I thought that the season was going to be, it was a special season. Nobody thought or expected anything from the Capitals, but I did expect us to go a little bit further in the playoffs. So that part's disappointing. I got to call it as I see it. Ovi did not look well on the ice tonight. He looked looked pretty slow not really moving around that well there's one point and you can't quote me on this but I did I did lean over to me and I said. I almost think that he should even be on the power play right now he wasn't. He did not look like he was moving around like like the OV that we saw in the regular season now he he is like 40 years old. He has played a long season. He did break his leg this season.

But it looked kind of like a different guy. And so I hope he'll take this off season and rest up and come back next year. Cause I thought that we had a team that could really do something special this postseason. So that is, it's tough for me to get over, but hey, that's part of sports. Yeah, that's part of sports.

It sucks too that like the hurricanes were just, they like, they basically were a boa constrictor on you guys this series. Like I think what would you score seven goals? Like it just wasn't, it wasn't even a fun series from the Capitals perspective because the Hurricanes just like choked you to death. They do a great job of just destroying any sort of rhythm you have once you get in the attacking zone. Yeah, they're a good team. You don't really possess the puck there It's hard to get the ball through the neutral zone

That's the main thing that all the hockey guys are saying And yeah, once they get an offense, they do a good job getting into the rhythm So they're a really really good team. I got it at least we're not the Leafs That was my bit. I didn't think yeah, I know my mom said it But she makes some really good points. Yeah the Leafs Yeah If you were up to all in the series and about to lose in six games That would be devastating and if we hadn't gotten the Stanley Cup in 2018, right? That's what she kept saying to me was I remember at least we got that Stanley Cup

I I got two questions for you PFT. The first is how quickly did they show the off sides? I think it was the first period on like the jumbotron because that was heartbreak. I bet the caps in solidarity and I was like so pumped when they scored. And then the minute they go to the replay, you're just like, fuck, cause it was so cut and dry. Well, what they did was they didn't even put the goal on the board. So they waited. And then I was like, wait, why isn't that goal showing up on the board? They should show on the board. And then the ref skates out to center as he goes. The call the call is being challenged. And then after they announced that it was being challenged, then they put like the sad

goal up for about 30 seconds because it was the fastest challenge of all time. I know it was so obvious. Sucked. The rest picked up the phone. They didn't show the replay a single time in the stadium. That's time. I know it was so obvious. Sucked. The ref picked up the phone. They didn't show the replay a single time in the stadium. That's when I knew that it must have been pretty bad. Yeah. And then my other, well,

a side question. You did say going into this series, going into the playoffs, that goaltending was an issue. That last goal for the Hurricanes was an issue. It was pretty soft. That was it was soft. But also, Thompson played pretty well tonight besides that. That's like, besides, besides that, Miss Lincoln, how was the play? Yeah, but it was, it was a decent night for him in the first couple periods. He made some great saves, but that, that was a soft ass goal. And you know me, I don't

tolerate soft ass goals. No, you never have. Neither of your mom. Your mom probably went to you son. That's a soft ass goal. We were raised better. She said son from that angle as an NHL goalie. You should never let that in. Um alright. My my my last question is and this is the painful one. How much blame do we put on a game? I mean, you know exactly I handled a gape the only way that I knew But it was handle it the same. No, no, no, I'm not saying you I'm saying I'm not saying you I'm just saying That felt like the moment that was like, oh no, and also I was alerted to something which I'm sure you knew but Someone comment because I was getting a gate tonight. I was trying to get a game. Yeah. I was

tweeting about the game, hitting some nitrous. Someone, someone commented under one of my tweets that there's a certain person who has an agape tattoo on their arm. Yes. Carson Wentz. Yes. When I saw that, I was like, I was, I was, I was hoping that, that nobody would bring that up on the show. There are certain things that, listen, I will bring up a lot of stuff to make fun of my teams.

And I'll, I'll try to be vulnerable in front of you guys because that's what we do. I was not willing to introduce into this conversation. Right move by you. Cause when I saw it, I was like, Oh my God, no, no, please. No, I thought it was Photoshop. I had to go to his Instagram to check. I've never even said it out loud to anybody because I knew I couldn't keep up the whole of gate bit after I verbalized the fact that Carson went because that makes it real. That was, I want you to know, PFD, if the series had still been going

on, I would not have mentioned it. I would have also buried it because that was like it was literally I was basically uh uh Kieran Culkin in in uh succession when his rocket blows up. I looked at it on my phone and I just put my phone back in my pocket and walked away. I was like I can't do that. Yeah. Listen with with the whole agape thing it I think I showed that I'm a true capitals fan by going along with that. Yes. And in retrospect, maybe it's not the best idea to hand out towels talking about getting your butthole nice and loose. That doesn't, that doesn't inspire me to have a lot of confidence in the, in the team. But if that's what we're going, I mean, I'm wearing, I wore this shirt

tonight. It's Oh, did you get an extra one for me? I'd get one. I'd wear one. Yeah. With hearts on it. And then, and then the hand sign again, it's like just big, no more gate holes, big, no more gate, big loose but holes do not. It doesn't make you fired up to get violent on the ice. Yeah. No more gate. Hey, do you say anything? Oh, you'd like say something Hank. I just have a question Sure should be good. Where'd you get that sick-ass hat? Oh good question The people at the at the capitals were nice enough to gave me a nice little grab bag

Shout out Taron and the rest of the caps crew. I actually I got some stuff I got something for for your kids big cat. Oh, well, they're like Legos, right? Yes. It's birthday season. Okay. I got, I got a little Lego thing. Um, and then who does a stupid question. I was about to ask who here on this podcast likes gravy the most. I was like maybe Hank's like no okay so I got Max a gravy boat. I've literally I never eat gravy. I don't even eat it on Thanksgiving. Red sauce? It's called sauce.

I literally don't eat gravy on Thanksgiving. I'm out on gravy. Well get ready to learn gravy buddy. Yeah. No that was that was bullshit Big cats from that ass probably eats gravy on everything. I love gravy. I fucking love gravy. Max, you're gonna love gravy. It's good to laugh after a loss like that. It is. Yeah, but I do like this sick ass capital's hat. I wish I had it for for the entire series. Also another spin zone like losses suck in the playoffs, but a loss in game five is definitely less painful than loss in game seven. I would agree. And I was pretty clear about like,

just don't let us win game. If we win game five, then it's a problem. If we don't win game five, then I don't think we're going to win the series. Right. It's like it sucks to lose. But like when you lose and it's somewhat convincing fashion, you're like, well, what are you going to do? So one other little story I was, I think it's in between the second and third period and I was hanging out, um, just waiting for the puck to start again. I get a FaceTime on my phone and it's oldie FaceTime. And I, I picked it up and my mom was like, who's that? That's FaceTime of you. I was like, I'll tell you the whole oldie story after, after we talked

to him. Cause it's a long story. I opened it up and oldie was just shirtless in his living room, screaming into his phone. Let's go boys. Busy, busy. Let's fucking go. And then, and then my mom was like, hi oldie. And then, uh, yeah, it hi oldie and then yeah, it was it was uh, it was quite the scene Yeah, son son. What's a side pocket? Yeah How did mama comment or like describe that Jersey that you're wearing was she like son I Taught you right. I tell you that she was like son. That's my grail Your son you're getting a fit off. Yeah. I think she's like, son, I'm having to beat the chicks off you.

What's going on? I might leave this behind for now. I actually got a shocking amount of compliments on this. It's a sector. It's a one of one. It's also like- It's a one of one. Can you describe it for the listeners? Yeah, it's a half jaden

daniels half alex of vetchkin jersey. It's the it's the jay dan jay jay zander dan vetchkin jersey. It's also it's a one of one but it's also like a true one of one because it's was made for pft and like he's the only one who could wear it and be like damn that's sick. Yeah. That's it. Like no anyone else put that on you're like what the fuck is this guy doing? Shout out the AWL that's in I don't have I don't have his name in front of me right now. But I think he probably made it for himself and he was like I know there's only there's only one guy that's that looks dumb enough to pull this off. So shout out to him. Oh, um, all right. Uh, so yeah, the Leafs are in trouble. I don't know. That was the other hockey thing. The Leafs are in a lot of trouble. They're there. They're in the don't let us win one and I don't think they're going to win one. You can't come out flat at home. No, they got fucking, oh, that was bad. Uh, the, the, in basketball news, the Denver five,

two eight zeros, uh, force of game seven. So I was very skeptical when I turned on the game and saw the five, two eight zeros were out there on the court tonight. Not really elimination game jerseys, but, uh, it was just the, the, the, the nuggets bench was just like yoghurt was, was great. Jamal Murray, who actually I think had the flu was very good. And I know Christian Brown is a starter, but like Julian Strauther, that was he you need one of those. You need one of those guys to step up and have that type of game. And he had 15 points and it like three huge threes.

I also think that game was was not, not won by the nuggets in the last few minutes of the first half, but kind of lost by the thunder because the thunder f it felt like the thunder were going to take that game and they were up nine or 10 and then SGA gets one of the worst dumbest fouls and the rest were like, they were all over the place. Guys were just fucking beating on each other but he fouled he like a frustration foul on Jokic where he got the ball stolen and then 60 feet from the basket just like smacked him got his fourth foul had to sit for the last two minutes and outside Lou Dort hit a buzzer beater

but they the nuggets came all the way back, tied the game, and it felt like all the momentum switched because it was like, Thunder are here and they're going to win this game. And then the second half was more nuggets. And I'm happy for a game seven. I wanted a game seven in this series. Yeah, very much. This has been a great series. So I can't wait for that. I got to listen to the second half call on the radio, on the Denver radio broadcast, and they just kept screaming out Strother, Strother. Like they couldn't believe it that he was hitting all these shots. So yeah, I mean that's the key for Denver. If they can have Murray contribute and then they

need one X factor guy and that X factor can be five to eight zero. It could be the altitude. It could be. Yeah. And it was, I mean they, uh, Michael Porter Jr. Didn't play at the end of the game. They, there was like, we're going to ride with Strother. It was the, the, it was basically in hand. The only thing that had it like, Ooh, this could get close. It was Alex Crusoe for like probably 90 seconds. Uh, almost like created a comeback by himself where he picked, I think Jamal Murray's pocket, then Yokochi pocket, back to back plays and then had like a rebound and did another

thing where it's just like he's just not giving up. But I'm excited for game seven. I don't know. I was listening to the post game. Kendrick Perkins said that he gives the nuggets a 40% chance of winning game seven, but he has the Thunder by 10. I do the math. I don't know. What are the math. So I don't know. What are the implied odds? I don't know. But he had thought he

was like, yeah, I give him a 40% chance, but I have the thunder by 10. I feel like there's a great opportunity to middle that. Oh, it was what I love about Kendrick. Birkenzo is sometimes he just says stuff. Yo, time. Exclusively just says stuff. Yeah, all the time. All the time. He's the number one stuff-sayer in NBA media right now. He does not think he just shoots.

He moves on. He's a Michael Scott. He starts a sentence and doesn't know where it's going to land. Yeah, what he does is he just starts talking and if he starts to lose his train of thought, he just throws the word damn in there. Yeah. And then he picks up, it gets him going. So the Nuggets have a 40% damn chance of winning this game.

I like the Thunder by 10 damn points. But he's got, yeah, he's got him. He's got him. 10 points, let's do a little, let's do this. I think that's fine, I think that's fine to say what like sometimes you can have the take of like, I think this game is either going to go like this team is going to win easily. No chance or the underdog is going to win outright. Like people have had that take before. I agree with that. Yeah. But a 40% chance you'd think it would be a little bit. 40%

would be would be yeah, it'd be like a five-point game I can't do math the the whose line is anyway, you guys want to guess it? I think it's nuggets by or sorry Thunder by Six and a half four and a half seven and a half. Whoa So perk was closer than Hank Should we do first baskets? Whoa. So Perk was closer than Hank. Should we do first baskets? We gotta do first baskets for Celtics Knicks on Friday night, which we're gonna get

when we're back in the studio, we're gonna talk all about Hank's time on the wood. He's got a new rival in Timothy Chalamet. Draft King Sportsbook and Fisheye's sports. We're like, yeah. We, uh, draft king sports book, official sports, we're like, yeah, what we're boys, but it's like, we're just kind of at this moment rivals. What do you mean for enemies? Your rivals? I put in the title. Oh no. I, yeah, I put Hank, Hank saves the Celtics and now he's got a new rivalry with timothy chalamet. You know, I'm going to put that, that's all right. Then I was Shallam. I made you know that that's fine.

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Ooh. Okay. Foul. Jalen Brunson. Should we talk about this Seth Wickersham article that came out real quick? Uh, so there's a new book, Seth Wickersham, who's a very good author. Uh, maybe we'll have them on the American Kings biography of the quarterback. Um, obviously it was, uh, there's, you know, he's selling a book, so he's gotta, there's gotta be some,

some salacious things to get people talking about it. And the big one was that Kale Williams did not want to be a Chicago bear, which I think most people kind of, well, his dad especially didn't want to be a Chicago bear. Uh, most people, that story was out there. I chose to ignore it. Uh, it turns out it was true. Um, I took my takeaway from the whole, like the whole article, not just the tweet was, uh, yeah, I was very, I was wrong, uh, for thinking that Caleb Williams always wanted to be a bear,

but I was right. The Caleb Williams is the guy because he knew better than anyone that Shane Waldron and Matt Eberfuss were fucking morons. Like he has good judgment. He was like, Shane Waldron's an idiot. He said that before and shout out Ryan Poles because the story goes, he met with Kevin O'Connell at the combine was like, I want to be a Viking. I don't blame him for that. Kevin O'Connell is a fucking unbelievable coach, especially with QBs. He then went to Alice Hall. Ryan Poles was like, Hey, we're going to draft you. And then he changed his tune. He was like, you know what?

I can fix this. And then the story goes that in his rookie year, the coaching staff was basically AWOL, and he was watching film by himself. And I knew they failed him. I didn't realize to what extent. It's pretty shocking. So listen, past is the past.

Ben Johnson is the future. It's all good. OK, I like that. And I think that's the right take, which is the past. Ben Johnson is the future. It's all good. Okay, I like that. And that's I think that's the right take, which is like what you had last year is nothing close to what he has right now. I also I I want to know how true that is that he wasn't given any instruction whatsoever about how to watch film because that quote, I think if I remember the article article correct I have it I think that quote came from maybe someone close to Caleb I don't think that was a direct quote from Caleb. It was somebody else that was like quoting Caleb to Seth Yeah wrong about that But if that's the case and it feels like his dad is like saying things secondhand

So no, this is actually a direct quote. It says, at times, Williams said he would watch film alone with no instruction or guidance from the coaches. No one tells me what to watch. Caleb Williams told his dad, I just turn it on. So maybe his dad said that to Seth Wickersham. Yeah. So it's a, it's a quote from his dad that he's imparting from Caleb, like through it, through a media. I just, I don't know how true that is because I feel like no matter how shitty of a coach you are in the NFL, you probably tell your rookie quarterback what to watch on film. I think there's been reporting of it is that the coaching staff kind of went AWOL towards the end there before the firing. They were just kind of like we're we're cooked. Also like I know that it obviously looks bad. The headline.

Cale Williams his dad weren't wrong. Like the Bears have historically been bad for quarterbacks like they weren't wrong. They you can't be like oh my god how could they say that. They weren't wrong. And especially with the coaching staff. Now, I think now it's changed because Ben Johnson is here and I've apologized many times for saying it was a great situation that Cale Williams walked into. That was a very bad, stupid thing. I said all summer long last summer. Uh, really, really dumb shit for brains. But yeah, like I read the article because obviously I saw the tweet and I was like, Oh fuck. And then I read the article. I was like, I don't really know outside of his dad, like being like, we're going to go to the UFL, which I didn't realize. Like there wasn't anything that was like, Oh man, how could

they say this? You know what I mean? Like there's also kind of a bargaining play. I think he was looking for any way possible to maximize Caleb's value as a quarterback. And that included the fact that he was not happy with the fact that Caleb would potentially be tied to a team for like eight years. Right. At least five with his dad fighting for his kid. I also watched an interview that Seth's worker sham did this afternoon with Adam Hogue, who's a beat reporter for the bears. And I think Seth's worker shams exact quote, Cause they were like, how close was this actually to happening of him? Like not of being like, we're not going to the bears. He said, he said the gasoline was out, but they never

took out the matches. So it's like, I think a lot of the coward stuff, like coward was reporting directly from his dad. I think it was that like just, you know, floating it out there, but never actually going that extra step to being like, no, we're not going to get to, we're not coming to Chicago. You know what made me suspicious was when that article came out last year, that was Caleb Williams saying, I really like Chicago. Like, I want to be a bear. That felt like it was something that at the time, and especially now looking back on it, was done because they had run out of options. Right. And all the stuff where they're trying to see if there's any way that they can make

a manning move. After all those options were exhausted, then they're like, okay, now we'll just kind of clear the air in Chicago. Be like, Hey, uh, let's do a story about how much I want to be a Chicago bear. Right. And it does look like from the reading of the article, uh, that Ryan Poles did a really good job of convincing him because the story goes that he went to Hallis Hall and came out of that meeting with Ryan Poles being like, I can do this. I can fix this. And again, he's right that Matt Eberfluss and Shane Walter were bad that's like a really good sense of judgment of people. Yeah. He also, I mean, I don't know if we can say this, but when I talked to him at

training camp last year, he was like, yeah, the commanders there, they've been a team that I didn't really want to go to at all because of their ownership. Right. When Dan Snyder was owning. So like, right. if he's talking about two franchises that historically have not done well in this situation, those would be two good ones. And yeah, it's, if you were to ask him right now, or any young quarterback right now, coming into the NFL, would you want to play for the Bears in the situation that they have now? I think every quarterback would say yes. I think they'd say, I want to play with Ben Johnson because of what he's been able to accomplish Now creative he is I feel like if you're asking truthfully right now

Yeah, he does want to be in that situation and and that was the biggest thing like I I had to accept it But I definitely wanted to either foods fired. I wanted hardball very very badly that I think would have changed everything And it I think a lot of people thought that. And then the Bears obviously were like, we're not going to fire him. We're going to keep going with this, which was stupid. Very stupid in retrospect. And that probably comes from George McCasky, who is not the... I wouldn't put him in the Hall of Fame of owners of professional sports teams. That would have been wild though, if he was a battle hawk. Yeah. If he, if he actually went to UFL route, that would have been great. We tried to get Joe burrow to do that for the XFL. He said, I think he wanted, he wanted 50 million guaranteed

in his first year. Maybe it was a hundred million. I forget. And I said, deal. Uh, let me talk to the people at the XFL and see if they agree with that. And then get the fuck out of here. Yeah, get out of here. But yeah, it's like bad shit happened. New stuff. We got new stuff. If he refused was still the coach and this came out, it would be panic level a billion. Yeah, right. Like it's not. That's just not the situation anymore. All right. Before we kick it to ourselves, we forgot to mention this during Fire Fest, so we

should say it now. Max, you are paying up your payment this weekend. Yep, going to the bachelor party with a group of AWLs. I'm looking forward to it. Hank picked it out. I don't know exactly what's going on, but it should be a good. You know exactly what's going on. Good producing by Hank. You knew everything that's going on. Yeah, I don't know.

You know exactly what's going on. I was trying to convince Max last night because we saw the video. The guys seem like good guys. One of them is the wild card. And I was telling Max he's got to out wild card the wild card. So he's got to like he's got to order some strippers He's got to bring a loaded gun some Russian roulette like just be the wild card max I'm just gonna be a guest at this guy's bachelor party and

You're gonna get wild carded I've seen this so many times you got it. You got to take the wild card to the wild card before he can take it to you. No, I'm going to allow the wild card to be the wild card. I'm not going to take anyone's roll. No, once a couple of drinks get inside of you, the wild card comes out. How do you describe yourself, Max, if you're writing into your favorite podcast and you're like, yo, you should come on my bachelor party, and everybody in the bachelor party has a

thing that they do. One guy is Mr. Mischief, one guy is like bad news. What would you consider yourself? Just a friendly guy that, you know, goes with the flow of the group. Are you going to? I'm not loud. I don't try and do too much. I don't try and take too much attention away from anything. I never drink too much. I never do any of that. Go watch the last case race. Are you going to do that's exactly me? No, wait. So, so Jack is going to go in and film it. So

we will have a vlog of it. I still think you got to be the wild card like you. You got it. You got to fuck dude, you show up with a loaded gun, literally, and a couple strippers, and maybe some extra curriculars. And people like, Holy shit, this guy's a wild card. I won't be coming with any of those things. I will be a good guest until I have like seven beers and then I'm just going to be probably bad news.

Yeah. Yeah. If there are any strippers that listen to part of my take that live in the Milwaukee area that would like to be in touch with Max this weekend, just in case after those seven beers hit, if you'd like for Max to have your number, please, please DM Max. Or I want to say- This weekend is about the bachelor. That's what we have to remember. Any gun owners as well? Yeah. Nope. Definitely not out there. Let's talk to him. Yeah. Oh, it's about the bachelor. When's the wedding? I don't know. How do you not know? You're going to this guy's bachelor party. I haven't been in contact with this with this crew once. It's been a present or

you gotta bring a present. You gotta bring a present for the groom. Fuck, I probably should bring a present. Are you looking around your apartment right now to see what you can grab? How fast, PFT, how fast can you get him that green? Yeah. How fast, PFT, how fast can you get them that great? I can probably find something good from the office. I'll just steal something out of your off your desk. That was such a good look. Max gave. He was like, is there anything in this corner? I was trying to explain to Max cause Max, Max can drink and these guys are just regular guys, but if they're from Wisconsin, they can drink. I don't care what they look like. They can drink and these guys are just regular guys. But if they're from Wisconsin, they can drink. I don't care what they look like. They can drink definitely more than Max. Yeah.

And I, I actually was talking to one of them last night and they were like, we're going to out drink Max. And I was like, I hope they do. I really can't happen for our podcast. That cannot happen. I really hope that they do. You gotta go in there being like no one's out drinking me. No it'll be I'm excited it's gonna be good. What was the punishment for again? Yeah I didn't know either PFT. Losing the the picks in the NFL picks. Okay I'm excited for the video I think this would be a great video for the AWLs. Yeah. And you're playing paintball. Yeah. You're going on a bachelor party. You're playing golf and paintball and drinking. I haven't picked up a golf club in like two and a half years. So that'll be, that'll be interesting as well. There was one trip that was you playing six rounds of golf in three days and I was, I want that would have been, that would have been too much. Yeah. Six rounds.

Hmm. Six. Yeah. Would have been a lot. That is too much. It was a whole area. It's a whole area. It's itinerary.

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game five great individual performance from Hank by the way. Great job. I left it all on the way. The haters tried to take me down. They tried to put out false narratives. That's okay. What were the false narratives? PFT posted a video, PFT commentary. Man to your right. Oh hey, what's up? Yeah, it was me. Alright, people talk about Boston sports fans like they're the end all be all. Like it's a great sports town, they know ball. I don't know who these clowns are that they let sit courts at these games. I've never seen a basketball game in their life.

Look at this thing, look at this egregious foul. Watch this. Just gushing blood on this one. And then you've got this jackass in the crowd saying, oh he went straight up. Who the fuck is that guy? Josh Hart, it was one of the, like he just threw his body. We want to talk about like what a defender and then fell to the ground. They call the foul which you know whatever. It probably by a letter of the law was a foul. But I was sitting on the wood

and I just put my hands up because that's what I think it was Luke Cornett. He's had his hands straight up and Josh Hart just flung his body. This is the play that Josh Hart got all bloody and I think, I think it was his, I think it was Luke Cornet has like razor blades in his armpits. In the elbows, I think. Yeah. I think the elbows got him. And then Hank, the camera was kind of, it wasn't even really on Hank,

but I was watching and I was like, oh shit, that's Hank in the background. Just advocating for his team, fighting with everything that he's got. And I wanted to bring more visibility to that moment because I feel like a lot of people missed it as a fleeting instant on the broadcast. So I just want to highlight you, Hank, as a fan, great job on the wood. And I thought I could hear your voice once or twice during the game. Yeah. I mean, I was yelling, I was getting vocal. It's, it's the double fist pump, a lot of double fist pumps, the Lou Cornett game. It's at last night. We'll always be remembered as, as the Lou Cornett game, big cat last night will always be remembered as as the Luke Cornett game big cat

No, give me some credit. Yeah, I do. I mean that was the different I mean, I think this helped it looked like the game started and Derek White was like I'm gonna be the man He was awesome I mean that he and Jalen Brown were great and then Luke Cornett like I actually think that Christops whatever he has Luke Cornett is a better option than Christops right now and Joe Mazzullo obviously agrees because the second half he sat Chris stops Chris stops only played 12 minutes in the whole game. Yeah you could see it in the first half he was it was basically like he was doing you know when they do the football walkthroughs in the hotel room where they're just literally going through the motions like that's how he looked on the court where

he was slow motion yeah but he there was no bounce he wasn't like going aggressively he was looked like he was going at 50% speed and then every time you know in breaks and timeouts You could see him like leaning over Missoula said he like wasn't able to breathe He basically has what Ovi has like he's just oh come on He was looking slow out there. I was rooting for you last night. That's your dirty guy. You know that Hey, he's such a motherfucker, and you know that the mother Hank right now is so different than two years ago. Hank is such a motherfucker and you know what I blame myself I don't blame Hank. Fool me once shame on you. Fool me twice. Well no you said that. You said it. Oh he doesn't look the same. He looks slow. That's

what poor Zing is like. Yeah but you're feeling spicy. I was trying to relate. I was rooting for you Hank. P&T is going to be on the glass tonight. I was on the wood. Like I'm just trying to like make connections. Listen we're both down three to one. All of a sudden you get another you get a second win. Congrats on getting a second win against the Knicks in this series Hank I think that you've been dominating and all of a sudden you get that second win and and you just completely leave me behind No, I'm just about to show me the way you said show me the way and I'm trying to show you the way step one

Go, you know get there get to your city. Will your team to victory like you're gonna do that tonight I have utmost confidence. I'm so excited for you. No it's there's nothing better than you know being down back against the wall home being on this better. There okay. Hank but one. But Hank was kind of still down three to two because they've been they've been dominating the series. Hank was both down and up at the same time. But again it like I saw the graphic the graphic graphic of, of, uh, Hank saying we're onto the finals. And then in parentheses says Hank after Celtics, uh, down to one against the next, it was, it was as sad of a two days as you could have as a sports fan. Like it, it really, really did suck. Uh, and it still does. But like I said,

it's like, you got it like getting to the game, being in the city, forgetting about the, you know, the Jason Tatum and the off season luxury tax, new ownership, whatever. And just seeing the team come together, get a win. We had the momentum. Like it was, it was a great, you know, yes, we were down three one. Yes, we're only so only one, two games, but it was a great, great victory up and down. So do you start Luke Cornett on Friday night? Yeah. He was awesome. Seven blocks. He was great. I, I probably do. Yeah. I think poor is like, it's like Missoula said after the game, he couldn't breathe. Like that was, that was his quote. That's kind of like Ovi. I don't, yeah. Like I don't know how we breathe. How you breathe

that. I don't know how, I don't know how that, or excuse me. I don't know how that gets fixed. Yeah. Yeah. I forget about start Luke Cornett. I don't know how that gets fixed. Yeah, I forget about start Luke coordinate I think you build around Luke cornet. Yeah, I agree. That was awesome future. Who's just he was just lurking in the key I like didn't move at all. He was just like come in I dare you and then oh you're gonna come in I'm gonna put in your face. What was great? I have a question Is it would it be I guess it would be against the PED like could they just give Chris stops like like a hundred milligram five ants for the game? Sure. I think. Right. Yeah. I mean at this point if you get busted for testing positive you can just go through the process of appeals. Yeah. Better off season. All right. So you also helped the jail in Brunson got in foul

trouble. Big foul trouble. You got big foul trouble to start the third. You gave him a great wave off by the way. Yeah. Yeah. fell out, Hank's, and they almost reviewed it. They almost, they almost overturned it. That was going to be tough. I was waving at him hard. Yeah. You hit him with an awesome goodbye. Yeah. The, uh, so that one, I don't know if that's a rec replicable. No cow is in power. But cat's always in power. Cat literally just finds fouls like they're his fouls are so frustrating because he will foul when it has no impact on the play and he's like hey I just got to get my hands on someone and then complaints like he has never come on God he also feels like the guy that that never got away with

anything in his life yeah even when he was a kid like if all of your friends did something bad snuck out he was the one that would get caught because he's just like he's so he's flagrantly cat all the time. He's never blending in that that last foul on Jalen was a stupid stupid foul. Yeah, like you got to be smarter than that and Tibbs looked like he was about to wring his neck afterwards. Yeah, he was not happy. So how do you feel about Friday night? Because I think obviously you like if you get to game seven, I think the cells will win the series.

I do not think you're going to win Friday night. I think Jalen Brunson is going to win this series on Friday night. I think that's fair. I do think all the pressure like, you know, all the pressure was on the Celtics in game one and two and they kind of folded like they were missing shots and that's what happens when all of a sudden you're at home, you know, you're supposed to win. You shot start, stop going in and all of a sudden like things can flip. The Celtics are basically playing with nothing to lose. I think that's a good spot to be in and they have, well, no, they have something to lose the series, but everyone's

expecting them to lose. Right. When you're in that spot, like that's the max chime in. You you're saying not anymore. The last game everyone was expecting them to lose. Now everyone is thinking like you right now, like now the pressure is back on this like no the pressure is on that if you're wrong The team is he teams wise the pressure is on the Knicks if the next players are still in the pressure They're still playing games the nicks the cells are so what they okay max if What do you mean? You're the repeat? Be honest be honest be honest be honest Who do you think is more work? Like the Celtics, if I don't know, I feel like the Knicks are like we have to

win at home. No, I don't think this game, I think game seven. Yes. Yes. That's six. Yes. The Knicks have two shots at it. Like they, they, I do not think the pressure is yes. Well, three memes, but you already lost your first one. So you have two shots left. I think the pressure is still on the Celtics for game for Friday night. If it goes to Monday night back in Boston, then it's just, then the Knicks are like, how could you lose up three one without with Tatum out? Then it, then it flipped. Well, what, what? Oh, you. Oh, oh, I like where you're about to go. So go ahead. No, no, no, no, no about to. So go ahead. No, no, no, no, no, Max. That was the, that was an impressive win for the Celtics without Jason Tatum. I

think what Max is trying to say is, are they better team without Jason Tatum? No. Uh, and that's, but I don't, I don't, I'm not even going to acknowledge these narratives. I don't think you understand what he's asking. He's not asking is Jason Taylor a great team teams are built from the ground up It's an organizational effort Hank if I'm a through 12 12 through 60 everyone matters If I may one guy goes down everyone else has to step up blue cornets stepped up if I may they're quite stepped up If I may move what max might be trying to say is the Celtics yes Jason Tatum is a great player He might even be the best player on the Boston Celtics, but are they a better team? Without Jason Tatum, but I so max has not said anything

He's just giving us faces if I know exactly where his brain is if I may he's nodding along being like I've said one word You always think I've said so far as well. All right, so No, no, no, I like I like just Hank if if you may respond to those allegations, if I may, I was my answer to your question would be no. Okay, that's no question. My vote would be no. I think this is something that you know, talking heads loser franchises draft lottery people that actually go to that stuff. These are questions that they make so that they have something to talk about. Winning teams are

just worried about the win and loss column. Okay, max Jason Tatum champion right next to his name champion Yeah, all-star finals MVP Olympian champion Blatantly wrong Might be more impressive you might need to put that on a quote card I know. I'm an all star. I'm an all star. I'm an all late and Lee wrong. I'm an all star. I'm an all star. The same thing might be more impressive. You might need to put that on a quote card. I slept for two hours. I do not think that the Celtics are better without Jason Tatum. I do think that if you in this series, like last night watching them, they, they might be a more teen basketball. That just, that might be every team. When

your best player goes out, it's like you got to sixers, you got to cut more. You got to move more. Everyone's going to spread the ball, Pat, make the extra pass. There can't be a reliance on, Hey, Jason table bail us out. That, that exists. Do you agree? Yeah, sure. Yeah. And Joe Mazul is a great coach and they still have great players like that, that that's okay. Like I don't think that's's I think that's fair to say. Yeah, I thought it's interesting team game and Missoula is a great coach It's like yeah, you lose a player. You have to figure out a game plan with the guys Did you see and they still go to the guy's? I did see coach was a less on after the game

Is he locked in he is very locked in Josh friend of the program guy went with he? We like dapped up and then Josh I introduced him He's like, you know, congrats on all your success and Missoula was like you're only as good as your next win Or is your last win? So we're good. Yes. Good right now. Yeah, so I mean just by the numbers It looks like the Celtics were eight and two without Jason Tatum this year. Yeah I think they're like, what was their winning percentage and And they're Jason Tatum. Was it was it 80? Something like that. Are they in the playoffs? Jason Tatum, do they win the game against Magic without him? No. Oh, so one on one. Yeah. Uh, I have a

couple other questions, Hank. Uh, so the Celtics record overall is 74%, but they're 80% without Jason Tatum. That leads me to believe that just by the numbers and we are a numbers podcast, we're a stats based podcast. They are literally better this year without Jason Tatum. PFC is describing wins by the way. Wins. No, you said stats. Well, a win is a stat.

Hank, you better just get used to this because that's fine. I don't like this is going to get going I think I think the listeners know like this is the definition of like cope and just like trying to you know upset a man When I think it's a definition of asking questions. I think is it fair definition of being an in-depth national sports podcast You're asking a national podcast. We have questions the right question. You're also not up. I Know like I'm like Henry Lockwood is up. I'm feeling I'm up means I'm ended this series twice already No, we got it we got it we got on to the fight I don't you want was before a catastrophic injury, but right now today, whatever the fuck the date is, may 15th, I'm up. Okay. Uh, so my other day, I not be up memes. My other two questions. No, it's a fair point. Do you,

do you have any statement about Jalen Brown jerking off Josh Hart? I saw the clip that was crazy. I mean, when you down you slow things down anything anything looks like You see this you can get anything out of context I mean he he likes he was like a search and destroy for the penis again, like Stephen Chay's a pervert for even finding that I Slowed down angle grab your game speed. It didn't look like that. He tugged it I think that was technically a mast I. We're football guys, right? Like what happens at the bottom of the pile? I guess. But I think it happens in battles. Like he actually kind of masturbated him. Yeah. He yelled it

for long enough. I think the ruling, the ruling on the field is masturbation. It's ball dominant player. He jerked him off. Oh yeah. You can see he kind of he kind of like fiddled his fingers on it on his dick. This was disgusting Hank. Yeah. Slow mo and anything. Oh this is this is Josh Hart sister just said weird. She quote treated saying weird. Oh it is weird. They've hooked up Josh Hart and Jalen Brown have hooked up. I don't think so. But I know they, they have, I'm watching it. We watched it right there. That's, that's third base. Yeah. Oh, that's a pelt on the wall. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He held onto that for it. I get it. If you like grab or you're like hands and you've got to get an edge any

way you can. Yeah. It looks like Josh Hart's getting the edge right now All right, that's also Josh Hart's wife. Oh, that's his wife. Okay. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Yeah, she is jealous Yeah, yeah, you can tell she's like like he did it better than me. Yeah Maybe she's saying that's weird for Josh Like why is he get why is he? No, she's probably she's probably mad at Josh. Yes mad at Josh. Yeah. So I'm sorry. Yeah. Yeah. You should have made it stop. Yeah. Weird that Josh would, would allow this to happen. Yeah. Yeah. Um, all right. My other question, last question about this game, there's reports that you may have met one of the top celebs in the country right now. One of the coolest guys out there,

let's say maximum aura based on the fact that he does not lace up his Timberlands. We're talking about Timothy Chalamet and the report is you turtled. No, so I did do some journalism last night. There was a, so I was with Josh, but we were, there's like a little bar kind of like food area underneath, you know, for the wood for the woodies, the woodgoers

and like the people close to the game. They can go like in for the game and at halftime. And when I got in there, I sat down time out, time out, time out, Dan, time out. Are you still wearing your wristband? I went to sleep. I went to sleep at two a.m. I woke up at four a.m. He's like a spring breaker. I said for two hours 15 year old going to lose. What the fuck. All right. What am I going to do. Like I don't have a pair of scissors. I just I really don't like a man. I woke up random. Like I woke up by my wake up call. I slept through for 40 minutes. I Just sprint to the airport sprint to my fucking gate drive sitting traffic for two hours and just walk basically walk in the studio

Yeah, I'm so worried my wrist are you just are you just attached to the memories that go along with the wristband? You gotta keep it on a great night. It was a great. I feel happy. All right back to it. Sorry I was just shocked it. Yeah, anyway, I sit down and look to my left and- Oh bro, did you go to a game last night? Maybe, maybe. Yeah dude, I got the team vom access. Timothy was five feet to my left, which was, you guys know I'm bad at hiding my face.

I probably gave him like one of the, I was like legit shocked how close he was. And then maybe five minutes later, the people he with like our mutual friends of Dave they introduced them They had a quick conversation about pizza and maybe within two minutes of you know Introducing the table Dave was like this fucking guy was on his show saying you're performative And I I legitimately like hand up did not even remember like I was lashing out It doesn't sound like a Hank word to use to be honest. I didn't think I said that's all I was like I don't even know I was like I didn't say that and and chalmé

He wasn't mad he went about it like very like cool Like I will say like I can can report Tim the chalmé very very cool guy, but or he Maximum or oh again. I was right you were mm-hmm He came over is like what was I doing that was performative like he wasn't like pressing me But he's like what was I doing that was performative? I was like I don't even think I said that and then he just basically told Me his history as a Knicks fan. He was like yeah, you know when they were bad I was getting season tickets like trying to like flip them to make money Chris Doohan like look like naming all these players and I was like yeah, I believe you like I know you're a

Legitimate fan Dave just threw me right under the bus It was not you know it was it was a it was a cool interaction to have but I was like not exactly The the start you want to get off With someone like Timothy Chalmah, and then you know they went into the game we went into the game I thought I was gonna see him there at halftime. He was not there at halftime But he was basically sitting across from me the whole game so like you know, I would look over and You know pause whatever I was I caught myself staring a little bit

Him wearing sunglasses Courtside is like such a power move. Yeah, Jack Nicholson he was like I was I had I was having the thoughts of like we're I think similar ages I was like he's quite literally a Thousand million times cooler than me correct more successful like he he's got it all he's got everything. He's got it all And how cool is that to be like I think he's he's he obviously is a real Knicks fan But like to also reach this type of fame where if he plays it right like Jack Nicholson went to what? 40 years of Lakers games sitting courtside he became synonymous to Lakers like Timothy Chalamet

Had can be basically the heir apparent to Spike Lee. Yeah, that's fucking awesome. Was he wearing the Timbs last night? He was wearing the Timbs last night. Were they laced? They were not laced. I don't think. Smart move. Good move. You could hurt your ankle. Tie him up to the aura. Yeah, he was super fucking cool Him and Dave just talked about pizza. So I know that you're a company man always thinking about work always doing your job Big time producer part of my take what he say when you asked him if he would be a guest on part of my take Well, yeah, that's so he came over Dave basically like set him up to basically like get not mad at me But he was like came over Dave basically like set him up to basically like get not mad at me, but he was like came over

address our conference he started conversation address the situation and then he Went back to where he was sitting next to Dave and then like we had a we had a brief interaction I did not get the chance to it wasn't I didn't say you didn't book. I didn't book him I didn't know we're not getting chalamet. That's not true. Think about it. It was a good intro max would have booked him Yeah, yeah max definitely would have booked him. Yeah Yeah, max definitely would have booked him. I would have been so scared. All right, so let's say you win game Six Friday night game seven Monday, which weird schedule Should we Should we fly Jerry O'Connell in and do a stream on on PMT or I think are you trying to go to the game?

No, I think I think I think if Jerry comes in, we should do a stream. I think the fans, the AWOs would love that. If Jerry can't do it, I'm just thinking out loud, we've got a lot of Knicks fans in the New York office. Yeah. Yeah, we do. Could send you there, but we wouldn't do that. No, we've never done that in the past.

No. I mean, it's not like we're sitting on an extended trip here, Bax. If we would never do that, we would just, you know, one game. And I don't think you could do it too Like second round is late enough in the playoffs max you've never had to go for the second round, right? No, it was second round for a full week. Oh That's okay

Has been set the precedent has been set max, you know had some rivals in New York I think you know, they got clever they got clever verse meek Phil, which is a good robbery must watch TV I think you know, there was a little bit of contention last night with me and with Timmy. Like I think I gotta go to game seven and kind of like Meek and Phil can handle the New York streams. Like I think I gotta go. You gotta go against Timmy. So you've already moved on from Jerry, but you will accept Timmy as a replacement. Jerry moved on from me.

He did. Jerry O'Connell did move on from me. He did Jerry. Oh, God did move on. But then you also just quit game pot. But then you also burned the bridge afterwards. You were like fine flip flop and pussy. That's not burning a bridge. That's a statement of fact. No Jerry. Jerry the sequence events is Jerry called the series over retired Bing Bong Hank flip flopped and brought the Bing Bong back. That's when Hank said flip flopping pussy and then everyone was like Jerry, what are you doing? Yeah. No, but Hank called the season over. Thank you. Thank you. I said we're saying that it was over before Jerry did. Oh, when did you say that? He said we're

onto the finals. That's true. That's the same thing. Good point. Yeah, that's a good point. But no, but I didn't say I'm taking it. She said I'm taking game five off. Yeah. The Celtics when I'll be back. That's insane. And then he also said he but yeah, he said Hank is not a good enough rival for him anymore Yeah, but I mean Hank called the series over. That's my whole point is that Hank is the one that called the series over Circumstances that came in between like I think you're using a lot of $5 words to Hank And I don't know if somebody bought you a dictionary for your birthday or what but this is it's it's unbecoming even without Even if Tamer didn't get hurt you would have been down 3-1 we'll never know okay they are a better team without data that's true but yeah if Jerry wants to smoke I think it you're back on the AWL deserve a stream but yeah if he's not you're gonna have to

go I think yeah I can't let go you can't let Timmy run wild. No, you got to be on shallow may watch. What about Frank the tank? Henry, you want to face off officially? He's been officially enlisted for shallow may watch. We need you need to fight him. Yeah. I'm gonna handle meek Phil. All right. Other games series over for the Warriors. Also, feels like kind of the end of maybe this was a bummer. Yeah. I mean they were never going to win a game. They were never going to win

the series without Steph Curry. Yeah. It's that simple. Yeah. They're not a better team when they're not. Curry is out. Although he can't stay healthy. Some are saying that Steph Curry is the West coast version of Joel and Bede in the playoffs. The this series was the yeah. I mean Julius Randall was the MVP of this series. He was so good every single game. And the Timberwolves are a very good team. And we'll talk about them more because obviously they're in the Western Conference final, back to back Western Conference finals to see if they can take the next step and go to the finals. This was like a sad, hey, the Warriors, this iteration may be dead.

Steve Kerr said afterwards, he thought they had a legitimate chance to make a finals run if Steph had stayed healthy. I also weirdly, I know Jimmy Butler was sick, but is this the death of playoff Jimmy? No, I think Jimmy's just, he can't do it all on his own for three games in a row. But that's what he's been,

like playoff Jimmy has done that. That's what playoff Jimmy did. That's literally what playoff Jimmy did. The last two games he took 20 shots total. I don't know. Again, he was feeling under the weather two games ago, maybe still lingered, but like, I mean, he's getting older.

It might have been just the end of playoff Jimmy as well. I think the writing was on the wall for the Warriors where Kaminga was like, okay, I'm gonna get the ball. I'm gonna be able to show off what I can do I don't know if they're gonna bring him back as an restricted free agent. I think he's an RFA this year I don't know if they're gonna try to sign and trade him I don't know if they're just gonna let him go off, but this was like Jimmy was not The the Warriors weren't doing their best team effort to win this series because I think they all understood that they couldn't. So you've got a guy like Kaminga that's like, I'm going to go out there and take a million

shots too. So you can't really get into playoff Jimmy mode. I think that's exactly where it like if you when Steph gets hurt in game two, you're like playoff Jimmy will get him one. He didn't get him one. Yeah, I think it's just the Warriors. They realize this is not we don't have a chance without stuff. That's when playoff Jimmy should be that's

I might be the deathly he's gonna be 36 before next year. He's playoff Jimmy done I'm just I'm excited for the Timberwolves. Oh, whoo two years in a row two years in a row get into this place Are they are they a better team now? I think yeah, I think they might be a better team Yeah, and I think that both the Knicks and the Timberwolves both got a lot better by doing that trade The rare win-win trade where I guess who is it the Hornets the Hornets lost that trade Yes, the other two teams won both teams got a whole lot better I'm excited to see what the wolves can do. I don't know Who would you rather play if you're the wolves if you had to pick?

I mean they beat the Nuggets last year in seven Yeah, it's like you've done it. I had no Julius Randall was he's exactly what the the Timberwolves needed in the fact that he Cat has these swings and he's an incredible shooter and incredible like offensive big man Julius Randall has just been consistent and it had you seen it where he's he doesn't do the old Julius Randall of spinning to nowhere and all that stuff he's just been awesome and Anthony Edwards I feel like we're we're due from I think has Anthony Edwards he had a 50 point playoff game last year right I don't think he's gone nuclear this year has he he's he's he's toyed with it I think we're going

to get a 50 a 50 50 burger in the Western Conference final at some point, at some point from Anthony Edwards, because it feels like he's, he's flirting and I'm looking right now for game logs. Yeah, I'm excited for, and, and shout out also the Tim Rolls fan who was just, he was just doing coke in the middle of the game. Did you guys see that? I didn't see that one. Yeah, there's a there was a guy who it was the it was the feed of it was the jumbotron feed. So like people have the league pass. They were watching and someone noticed it. But also, no, I think there's still, oh, I guess the league pass and they there were people tweeting about it. Maybe here is TNT sometimes has like the yeah, you can just watch the one camera. Yes. Yeah, watch this just blatantly

Good for that guy It's just dipping in on his that guy's definitely an AWL Yeah, love love that he thought he was set and the jumbotron was just right on him Well, he's just doing coke in his seat. That's a savage move But it's also it's a closeout game against the Warriors like I think that if it was a court situation You'd be like dude. We were closing out the war if I'm his boss guys an idiot. Yeah That guy better own his own company or he's fuck if I'm his boss I'm willing to let this one slide if it had been during a loss. Yeah, that's when they afternoon

Yeah, imagine if you're losing a playoff get you're down 15 points in the fourth quarter and the camera catches you just doing a bump At the stands that's that's an issue doing sad cocaine. Although you could probably spin it any way. You'd be like, yeah, I needed the boys needed me. Yeah. Tight game. You're like, I was nervous. Need to get locked in. If the game's out of hand though, that's a, that's a bad look. 44 points is current. I'm going to say right now 50 burger coming for Anthony Edwards in this series feels I'm excited. I don't know. Are they going to start if well I guess we've already taped the nuggets Thunder. Is there a chance we just don't have any playoffs this weekend? Yeah, WNBA they are taking some of the nights off to give more spotlight to WNBA

opening weekend. Got it. Got it. All right, so hockey the Leafs are in major trouble Major major big time that was as much of an ass-kicking as you could get you know in front of a home crowd very important game five Holy shit, they got smoked Yeah Feel bad the biz oldy was watching the game with biz last night trying to try to amp things up. And it's funny seeing Biz be the parent in a relationship like that. We're like, normally there's somebody to Biz's side being like, come on Biz, let's

not get distracted with the shiny things. Let's, let's keep it moving. Oldie turned Biz into, oh, okay, let's settle down. Oldie, come on. Like he was the responsible one. But it didn't do anything. It was, it was for nothing before you could fart. Yeah Well, Coach Craig Berube, the Leafs coach said it perfectly. He said, I don't think they came in any harder than they have. I think we let them come tonight. We stood around and watched. So they were sitting in the cuck chair. Yeah. It's kind of hot. Kind of hot. They were just coming. The Panthers were coming and Craig Berube was just sitting there watching the whole thing.

Speaking of great coaching moves, how about, I don't think we talked about Chris Finch calling his team a bunch of losers. Yeah. When they were winning a game, I think. Yeah. I believe they were up at the time. He's like, you guys are playing like a bunch of losers out there. And then Anthony Edwards after the game was like, yeah, coach just called us losers at

halftime and he was right. So we just decided to stop being losers. Yeah. Craig Berube, that's, it is kind of hot. Yeah. It is Craig Barube. That's, um, I'm, it is kind of hot. Yeah, it is kind of hot. They just let them come. Yeah. Uh, and then the oilers domination of the Knights. You can't win a C that's as close to a sweep as you can get because they won the series for one and the only win for the Knights was a buzzer be. Yeah. So how many minutes did, uh, did Edmonton's goalie go without letting in a goal the Skinner? Yeah, it was it must have been after the overtime. So 60 no no no no it was

120 before they got to overtime. Yeah, yeah, just really on a hot streak answer answer the bell because ever there were legitimate people saying Like hey Skinner that that's in crazy that you did that in the buzzer beater How could you let him play anymore the series comes back doesn't give up a goal for the next two games I mean who's Batman who's Robin on that team? I think Skinner is probably Batman Yeah, then you gotta say McDavid is Robin dry. So maybe he's Robin. Oh, yeah. Yeah, and then maybe it might be Alfred He's Catwoman. Yeah. Yeah, it's Catwoman. That seems right. I'm excited for the Oilers excited for wit So other stars feels like could be awesome Could be very awesome. Ah

Talk about the NFL schedule. Oh, I had one last Let's be why how are you? I mean we obviously taped the beginning pft be like what's your what's your mindset going? Oh, is it make you predict? How do you feel? What do you think happened? How should I feel? You should feel excited nervous nervous, but excited I feel confident. Yeah, I feel confident. I think this is a four goal win. For goal. I think this is on the city. I don't take an alternate law. The city is going to win tonight. That's what it's all about. Yeah, it's like you got a home

game. It's you got a rally the district get a game. We're getting a game in the district tonight. And I'm feeling very confident. If hands on glass, If there's hands on the glass, if there's any Russian gas available anywhere in the world, Ovechkin's gonna have it before tonight. I feel like there's gonna be a lot of energy and don't let us win one. I got a message for the Hurricanes, don't let us win one.

Cause if we do, we're bringing the storm back to Raleigh. This is gonna be bad if they lost. And game six. I'm saying don't let us win one. Don't let it, if they don't let us win one, then I predict that the hurricanes will win the series. That's a good prediction. If they let us win one. I wouldn't I wouldn't let us win one. I'll just say that you don't want to know what's going to happen if

we win one. Don't do it. It's gonna be very bad for you and very good for me. But I do feel strangely confident about this game. home ice. Logan Thompson took off the morning skate because he's just trying to get locked in for the night. And I think Ovi's gonna get a goal. I think Wilson's gonna put somebody through the glass. I think Strom's gonna have two assists. And I think Pierre-Luc Dubois is gonna get an empty netter.

That's what I think. Fuck yeah. And we're taping this at 11 in the morning before you get on your flight to DC I mean, I'm bringing my mom with me. She's got to be worth at least two goals, right easily These moms are good luck Mother's Day week taking on a double date with me Mother's Day week I host mostly Mother's Day. I told my mom I was like hey listen for Mother's Day Taking you out for a nice dinner in DC. Then we're gonna go to the Capitals game together. She's very excited about that

She loves the cap. So I think Mama commenter is worth two goals at least. Yeah Alright. Oh, I have one last thing before we talk NFL schedule. Did you guys see one of the saddest headlines? I've seen Cavs owner, Dan Gilbert, spent over $500,000 on fake snow machines that were used one time in the postseason. So this is a thing the Cavs did. It's called the Cavalanch.

When the Cavs go- That's a nice touch. When the Cavs go on a run, like a unanswered like 10 in a row, they do a Cavalanch in the stands where they drop fake snow he spent five hundred thousand dollars used it one single time but you can save that right that's also I don't know that's a business expense yeah you write that off I mean 500k for a

billionaires it probably I would imagine it went your bucks we went off they're like hey we want to we want to spend half a million dollars on on this thing where we're gonna drop fake snow he's like no like what if we told you it's the capital But the the Cavalanch and Dan Gilbert stood up on a table was like we need more this guy how much is it gonna cost It doesn't matter. Yeah, was it the fake snow that cost 500 grand or was it the entire apparatus? I think it was the process no Because he's getting ripped off by his fake snow guy I think it was the process no Because he's getting ripped off by his fake snow guy

All right here it is before the start of this postseason Cavs chairman Dan Gilbert loved the idea of the Cavalanch Duh so much that he paid more than five hundred thousand dollars to install fake snow machines in the arena ceiling that could blast confetti Throughout the arenas bowl when the Cavs went on one of their patented offensive tears, okay So that's an investment then the Cavalanch machine went off exactly once in the entire post season. Yeah, that's an investment. So it's not like, you know, the the Cavalance is still there for next year. Do you think it's like if you put if you renovate a bathroom, you add a bathroom to your house, that ups the resale value when he sells the calves 20 years from now, he's gonna be like, Oh yeah, and he

comes with the Cavalance. Yeah. Do you think Dan Gilbert after they got bounced, like went into an empty arena was like just hit the Cavalier by me. See the Cavalier. I think he probably got the Cavalier turned on specifically for him before the playoffs even started. He's like, I want to use me as the test dummy. The fucking name is right there. It's the Cavalier. Yeah. It's a great name. We need more. We need more guys like Todd and more ideas like the Cavalier. Everyone else is fired in this room. Build the whole team out of the Cavalier do the caviar and we're just going to dump fish eggs in the, uh, in the wine and cheese section. Oh man. Uh, all right. NFL schedule. I feel very confident in remaining

with my take that they completely have ruined the fun of the NFL schedule. I feel very confident in remaining with my take that they completely have ruined the fun of the NFL schedule release because I don't know if you guys had the same experience. I knew the entire bear schedule at like noon on Wednesday. It should be new. It's not prime time. They just TV show. They give out too many games so you can all piece it together. It was a two hour show. Yeah, it was two hours of unveiling the schedule. At some point, they're just going to do like one game per week. Right. It's going to be like, we're going to spend, we're going to spend like the entire month

of April and May just dropping. Okay. Here's the weeks one through four. Next week is weeks four through eight. Here are all the prime time games. They're going to try to milk it for everything. The only thing that was good about the schedule release Was the apologies that had to come after the fact from teams that screwed him up. Yeah, so the Colts had to apologize

I'm woke on that. Yeah, so Hank if you were to guess two things One is a one is a company and one is a person for who the Indianapolis Colts had to apologize to for their schedule release Who would you guess? Oh I Don't know Jif peanut butter No, they had to apologize to Stewart to they said we apologized to Microsoft and Tyreek Hill. Mm-hmm I'm woke on two powerful enemies. So the Colts tweeted their video by the way, I'm caught I Don't want to sound too old man ish. I'm out on like all the schedule release videos except for the chargers. Yeah. So I said

on a, on Monday, it's like, that's the, I will check the commanders because I want to. And then I will check the chargers because they usually do a great job. Everyone tries to get like so funny and cute. And then you also remember that there's owners who have to sit and like be like approved or not approved. Just stop it. Just stop. It's not, I, I, whatever. The Chargers though, and the Colts now. So I'm woke on this.

I think the Colts might've deleted it to get more buzz because that was legitimately a hilarious video. They actually crushed it. They did, they did Tyree kill it as a dolphin getting arrested by the coast guard. They had Will Levis getting hit by a bus, a Bachelorette bus where there was a chick puking on the bus. They had Kyler Murray as the chicken jockey. They had a John rocker and Mahomes senior fighting and then Patrick Mahomes is a frog. And then they had Liam Cohen doing the Duval. It was funny. That's

sounds all funny. And then they deleted it. But I think that it actually made it even better. It's like a cult classic. So there were multiple, there it is. Nice Hank multiple back, multiple teams that left that did Minecraft. Yeah. So that was, they got to either maybe this was like a thing where they all agreed to promote the Minecraft movie and took some money on the side or they need to have a group chat amongst all the social media managers where they say, Hey, we got dibs on. They got to do a draft, a draft lottery, a televised draft would be funny. Yeah. To see who is allowed to use whatever the hottest pop culture references at the time. It would be very funny for the ad for them to do a televised draft. Then

you have every social media, like the head of every social media team sitting in a room and they get up there and they're like, hey, we're gonna do Minecraft. Yeah, or like last year, we got dibs on Haak-Tua. Yeah, right. Yeah, hey, we're gonna do a play on the bear and we're gonna do different cuisines. Yeah, we have the Costco guys booked. We talked to them seven months ago.

Where the fuck were the Costco guys? How were they not used? My guess is that every team had talked to the Costco guys and they said you know what we're gonna be busy we're banging the drum well the video the video of when they did the Panthers did you see what they said in it no they're like we're the Costco guys we like every NFL team but tonight it's the Panthers yeah well Paul we love all the NHL teams but tonight we're in the Panthers house so that means that the Panthers are a Yeah

So they could have done it like it should have been every NHL That's illegal the Costco guys should have revealed every single they should have been every team's video Yeah, you got to use them for for everything or nothing I think the Costco guys are their their brand is open for everybody Yeah, they don't want to pigeonhole themselves to be in one team But I imagine that there were a lot of phone calls that were made to them this year Yeah, I have one other old man take and I actually think this one's correct and people will agree with me I think it is absolutely Bullshit to have any division game played international So chargers and Chiefs are playing on Friday night in Brazil to start the season

You should not have division games be international games. I would agree with that. That is so stupid I also don't like the division games being super close together either. Yeah that one I feel like they've just been going towards that way like I you you play the Eagles. We got Eagles Break Eagles. Yeah, I think we have Packers last three weeks of the season yeah yeah I don't like that you're playing against the same team yeah yeah you have a Bible in the last three weeks this no it's Eagles Christmas Eagles I think I know we finished the last game of the season is Eagles commanders so week five by socks that's the Bears have not not too

happy about that Also, the I was just looking like random things like the Browns The Browns scheduled to start as Bengals Ravens Packers Lions. They're gonna be yeah, it's tough It's a very very very hard alright, so he's open the preseason at Gillette at that stupid fucking lighthouse Hank Oh preseason Yeah, do a watch party. Oh, yeah Yeah bullshit bullshit that the bills used AI Well, you should have used them That we had we did the Super Bowl you should have used ours was ours We did the Super Bowl like our release video was just a two-minute video of the Super Bowl trophy and then the last frame

So you're so you're just hung up on the past. That's funny I actually like that. Yeah Yeah, just who that's a fuck about this. Here's the schedule I like that, but the bills using Allen Iverson is absolute bullshit. I very creative though. Yeah, I thought it was fine What if the Nuggets had used them? I mean that was fine. Okay, I was would've been fine. Well the Buffalo doesn't have an NBA team Then you can't use Allen Iverson. They did. They used AI. Yeah, they did. They can't. They put they did. They can't. They did whatever they want. Uh, we also have on paper, this is my favorite part about the schedule being released is that we get excited for games. We're about to do our Mount Rushmore

of games of the year. Uh, on paper we do have, uh, a very strong Thanksgiving. So it's Packers at Lions, Chiefs at Cowboys, Bengals at Ravens. Yeah, that's gonna be a great day. That's gonna be a great day. Really solid Bears and Eagles on Black Friday. Yeah, this is it was gonna be my fire fest, but I'll bring it up now. My fire fest is at the NFL as I thought they would. They are really gonna shove the commanders down your throat next season. Yeah, there, I think there's eight standalone games that you're going to have to watch them. It's a, it's a lot of pressure. Uh, I'm not, I don't, I'm not used to the idea of my team playing in prime time so much, but it's a high likelihood that people will get sick as shit of seeing my team play. Yeah. That kind of sucks. They also, it's

speaking of prime time. They did the, they hit the Patrick Holmes button the first eight weeks of the season five prime time games for the Chiefs Yeah, they smart. I'm down for that Patrick Holmes playing in a game. It will feel more important Yeah, it's just a fact. All right, you ready to do the dumbest draft because Half these games will have like a backup quarterback playing. Yeah, Uh, Mount Rushmore of games of the year. Hank, you want to start? No. Okay. PFT, you want to start? Yeah, I'll start. All right. Go ahead. PFT. Uh, my Mount Rushmore of games of the year. My take it very serious. My first overall pick for game of the year. And I'm going to be basing this off ratings. However the ratings go. Yep. Uh, Kansas city at the Buffalo Bills. Mmm good one. In Orchard Park week 9, 420 the afternoon game blaze it. CBS we got Nance and Romo on the call. Okay. That's gonna be a big one. I like that one. All right I'll go week 2, Eagles

at Chiefs Super Bowl rematch afternoon window. That's a really nice thing they did there because we get so hyped up for week one and then there's usually a little like oh week two doesn't you don't have the same you know excitement and then we have that waiting for us so good job by the NFL schedule makers. How's it gonna take that one? Well I did. I know it's good a good pick. Good pick. Good value. I will go with kind of one that's like a guaranteed, you know, we don't know what's going to happen later in the season.

Week one, Baltimore at Buffalo. Belmar Jackson, Josh Allen, Bill's Mafia. Great pick. Great game. Great pick. You know, you never know what's going to happen throughout the season, but this is one you can, you know, is going to be exciting.

Yeah, good pick, Hank. Great pick. You get a second one. No, no max Um, I will go my first one will be week 11 Lions at Eagles Sunday Night Football Lions fans Lions players think that they would beat the Eagles last year. So You know Give them a chance of some sort of redemption even though it'll mean nothing and Give him a chance of some sort of redemption even though it'll mean nothing. Oh. And then my next one will be week four Ravens at Chiefs.

Mmm. That's a good one. Sunday, sir. Week three. I'm seeing week four. Okay, week four. Ravens at Chiefs, 425 start. Wow.

That's gonna be a great one. Feels like the Ravens win that one and they get feeling themselves. Yep, then they match up later in the playoffs. Yep. Okay Hank I'm gonna go I Don't know where I'm gonna go with this one I'm gonna go with week six Podcast producer of this show. I'm a big fan of part of my take. I'm going to go

with week six, Chicago, Washington. Monday night football. Yeah. Monday night football. Tattoo game. Gonna be a good one. We're going to see, my guess is, you know, when they do those little weird animation things sometimes that they do on Monday night football, they're going to have the pope on there. Yeah. The pope is going to be featured in the weird digital form. A lot of Hail Mary video. By the way, did you know that the pope fucked

What yeah, I just found that out this morning how on on DV radio apparently when he was like 19 years the To do when he was 19 years old apparently he was in a little relationship Oh, and they they found the girl oh and so this might be the first pope to have fucked yeah What woman yeah an adult woman. Yeah. Uh, all right. My, I'm going to go with, uh, I'll go, I'll go Thanksgiving night. You know, you finished all the meals, you watched some football and then you're like, man, I hope there's a good game.

How about Joe burrow going up against Lamar Jackson in Baltimore week 13? I love that game. I'm going to love that game. That's a great one. Yeah. So this could hinge one way or the other. Okay. But I feel like it's great value if it hits week 10 Sunday night football, October 26, sorry, week eight, Sunday, October 26, week eight, Sunday night football, the green Bay Packers at the pit. Had it on my list at the Pittsburgh Steelers. If we get Aaron Rogers in Pittsburgh. Yep. Now, if there's no Aaron Rogers in Pittsburgh, then everything is off the table at this point.

Yep. But that will be a great game if he is. Yeah, that was, it was on my list. That's a great pick. Hat tip. Yep. Yeah. You got another one. Okay.

There's just so many great, so many great games so many great games. I have to choose from here I'm gonna go with the Bengals at the bills. Is anyone bangles at bills week 14 December 7th never forget Bengals Joe burrow Going into Orchard Park playing our good friend Josh Allen friendship game. Yeah, I wanted that one to press for tomorrow game prayers for tomorrow Gotta have prayers for tomorrow. Uh Hmm hmm hmm. There's so many good games So many good games to pick from and it's it's hard to pick these games because there's so many people out You don't want to leave one out and there's just so many good games. I'll go week 13 Vikings at Seahawks. Sam Donald Revenge.

That'll be interesting. Yeah, Sam Donald Revenge. That is a afternoon game week 13. Good pick. Thanks. Similar to PFT is this one hinges obviously on Aaron Rodgers, but I'm going to stick again, go to week one. This is just fun fun storylines Pittsburgh at New York Jets mmm Jesse verse Roger mm-hmm teams reversed mm-hmm either way one of the one of the fan bases obviously if Aaron Rodgers is on the Steelers this won't be as funny, but If he is one of these fan bases are going to be furious one weekend which is just hilarious are they going to let are they going to let erin rogers run out with the american flag

before the game they should i think they should too this is crazy that like mason rudolph might be their just starter yeah i mean thank god for flex scheduling right they should trade for james giants have too many quarterbacks it's just a fact. Should have gotten Shedussie. Should have gotten Shedussie. All right, Max, you got your last two. This has been some great podcasting. Yeah, this has been great. I'm going to go with week 17, Eagles at Bills. Okay. Another 425 start and then crazy. I've shown you a lot of games on here. You got to hope that game doesn't matter though, right? It's the second to last week

Yeah still Yeah, I mean Whatever Eagles at Bills week 17 and then I'm gonna go week 10 Monday Night Football Eagles at Lam in Lambeau. Okay, I think I'm gonna go to that game That's gonna be a great game the the tush push revenge game. Yeah, and this pussy's pussy's we actually we don't say that right Okay

Thank you. All right. I'm gonna go off the beaten path here. I'm gonna call my I think I think you know The voting will probably happen tomorrow So but we might have to do a post mostly vote because if this comes true I think I would I would get the win. Mm-hmm week four Cleveland at Detroit Shador Sanders coming out party. Oh Like that call three weeks of you know build up people saying start them start them start them I think week four is maybe the time when you know

Something comes to a head maybe an injury with the quarterback and it's like okay it's should does he time at Detroit you know powerhouse goes in wins on the road and he's he's arrived yeah okay I like that all right I'm gonna go off the beaten path to and try to call my shot this is my holy shit there's too many international games this game is gonna suck and then it actually rocks game of the year. It's a Saturday, Sunday, November 9th in Berlin Falcons at Colts. I don't want to watch that game. Okay. But then it's just going to end up rocking. Yeah, I do not want to watch that game. And it's also like perfectly it's the, it's the fifth, I believe, uh, international get six international game of the year. You're just like, dude, we're doing this still. And then somehow like Anthony Richardson and Michael

Pennex are going to have like the best games ever. Yeah. It's good to call your shot on one of them after, after you're already sick of waking up that early. Right. I'm also going to call my shot. Whoa. Okay. We got shot. Big time calling my shot. This is January 25th and it is the Washington Commanders against the Chicago Bears for the NFC Championship. Wow. That is my game of the year. Wow. Putting it all on the line. Love that. I would love that. What a great, what a great, great game that would be. It'd be great for the show. I actually don't know where it's, where it's going to be played at either Chicago or DC. I don't have that. What about England? Wait,

and Roger's going to make us do another one. Oh no mind No, he's talking about yeah I think it's gonna be in DC. I think it's gonna be in DC gotta be in DC gotta be in DC Yep, I was gonna be in DC. Have you guys cuz they're returning returning there You know, you guys are you guys are cut up and comer still have you guys done up? Why is established powerhouse? They gotta keep keep trucking Still have you guys done a blind is established powerhouse. They got to keep keep trucking Yeah, he is I'm choosing not to engage have you guys made the energy that's established I'm choosing not to engage with Hank and his Hank wins one fucking playoff game

Alright, he's so done. I'm gassing you up. So in one playoff game you swing back and forth like a motherfucker I'm sorry you up. Oh wow God forbid a sports fan goes up and down the path to point Hank. But you go from either wanting you go from either thinking that you're God to turning into a mass shooter based on a win or loss. Again I don't know what you want me to say. I'm an emotional guy. What. It's true. Also I was just complimenting you have and that turns me into an asshole? Have you guys done a blind, go through your own schedule and get your record? I have not done that yet. All of our games seem like cupcakes, but I'll just say,

uh, I'll say 11 and six. That's what, so I did it on waddle and Sylvia. Actually they sprung it on me and I ended up at 11 and six. I was like, I don't like that. Yeah. I'd rather be 10 and seven. It feels like a, or 9 and 8 feels a 6 out of 10 excitement. But you know what? Every year I look at the schedule, and I'm like 11 and 6. Yeah, that's true.

I can do it. All right. Let's get to our interviews. We've got two great interviews. We've got Mike Miller and then our guy Randy Moss talking preakness. Before we do that, PFT, you got a couple ads? Yeah, before we get to our good friend Mike Miller,

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Okay, we now welcome on a very, very, very, very special guest. It is two-time NBA champion. Turned agent, he's here for the combine. Shout out Lyft. Thank you. Yeah, it is Mike Miller. Thanks for coming by.

It's awesome to see you. It's awesome to have you in the studio. Why don't we start with the combine? So you are an agent now. How was, how's the transition to being an agent? First of all, dope spot. Appreciate y'all have me in here. We're going to hold our pro day out of your guys' facility next year for sure. Absolutely. Get all the NBA teams in here. Yeah. Show some love. Uh, but no, it's been, it's been awesome. I knew I wanted to

stay in the game when I got, when I retired after 17 years, I took a little bit of time off and then got into coaching at University of Memphis. COVID hits, everyone's going crazy, right? So took a reset button and knew I wanted, like I said, I wanted to stay in the game and help these kids. And so it was a bunch of my guys, kinda like you guys doing this stuff, right?

We started to put the lift together and I think five years in now, we're super excited where we grow on this thing and we're continuing to build. Yeah. Very cool. So who do you represent now? So we have guys across the board. So Paulo bank, Harold Wendell Carter We got Jeremiah fears in this year's draft boogie flan. We got Jabari Smith at Houston Our company's got a ton of guys man. We're blessed. It's been been awesome as a Wizards fan

I was very disappointed that we got the six overall pick But now I've I took a day and then I started doing some Scouting and I watched a little of Jeremiah Fears play last year, but now I'm like I think I want that guy You should I think I think I think he's gonna be a great NBA point guard. I really do So I got good news. I got bad news. Okay, the good news is you should want him Uh-huh. He's gonna be an absolute monster. I don't think it's a six please an absolute monster, I don't think he gets a six. Ooh.

Please? This is Agent Mike talking, because I watched the clip of the year Paolo got drafted. Yeah. And he told the story, Paolo's told the story, he's been on this show, he was awesome. He said that you were just pacing and talking to yourself and being like, lock in, get in the zone,

you gotta be Agent Mike, is that true? Well you gotta lock in, it's different. You know what I mean? Once you get out of the game, you gotta like it, it's different. You know what I mean? Like, you know, once you get out of the game, you gotta find competitors who can keep you going. And so, you know, for me it was like, that's just the way I am, right? And so, one, I owe it to them, you know,

if they pick Lyft and they pick me to represent them, I wanna give them the best I got. So, it's not Agent Mike talking about Jeremiah, Jeremiah's just a special kid, and he's a grinder, and I've been with him for the last month and a half, well the whole year, but last month and a half training him and just seeing where he's at, and he's just a special kid and he's a grinder and I've been with him for the last month and a half well the Whole year, but last month I have training. I'm just seeing where he's at and he's just a baby I mean in three four years like when you remake this draft He's gonna be one of the top probably tops one or two in this draft class. Yeah

Please just say yeah If you could go behind the scenes just say the opposite of everything that you just said Yeah, no he's junk. You don't want him. He's a wizard, man. Yeah. Uh, yeah, go ahead. No, no, I was just going to say, so you, you do have a gear that you have for agent Mike. I mean, it's, I don't know if that's, uh, you know, P gas that up a little bit. Um, uh, but I appreciate him doing that. But you know, he gassed up a little bit, but there's definitely gears to it, right? Like some of that stuff's out of your control,

especially when you get there, right? The work's been done, you know, like going to this draft for the next two or three weeks. Obviously there've been all the, our kids have been doing all the training already, but now they start going out here. Now that the draft lottery set, you start going out here and visiting teams and go to your workouts. Once you get to draft day, you know, I mean, a lot of the work's been done. And so it's, it's just now, you know, trying to manipulate some things at the end, which you try to draft day, a lot of the work's been done. And so it's just now trying to manipulate some things at the end, which you try to do. Yeah, behind the scenes as an agent,

I feel like the NBA has a lot of, there's a lot of strategic trade requests that are floated out there. I think I know where this is going. Yeah, well, no, I'm just kidding. You can take it wherever you want to. Is there an art to leaking a trade request? I think there is an art to it.

And I think depending on where your kid is at as far as how much scrutiny or how much light he wants to take, right? I mean, some guys are just blunt because they want to be out. Other guys, you can find ways to do it. Fortunately for me, in my situation, I'm only four or five years in,

we really haven't had any trade requests, so I haven't had to deal with that. But I definitely think there's an art to it. I mean, the way you it I mean the way you market it and the way you do is important yeah yeah so when you retired you were immediately were like I have to stay in the game some way and get into coaching or did you take a minute where you're like because we talked to Joe Keem a couple weeks ago he said he didn't watch basketball for three years he was

like I can't watch basketball that's the biggest joking thing ever yeah yeah he was like I just couldn't do it I didn't want to do it. I didn't want to be a part of it. Now he's back to watching basketball. Did you have any of that or were you like, I had a great career. I got everything I needed to get out of it and now I'm onto the next chapter.

I mean, I, you know, for a lot of us, you know, for most people, you don't get to land your own plane and decide, you know, to end when you want to, right? And so to play 17 season was a blessing. I still had that hunger and wanted to be in it it my kids were at an age where I could be involved a lot more on their Stuff so as far as basketball and stuff was concerned. I took a little bit of time off for sure I didn't want to dive right back in but like anything else in life man You get bored and you want to you want to you know

recreate some of that creativity and that competitiveness and so got into college coaching and Really to be honest with you, college coaching and agency can kind of align. You're doing the same things, just not the coaching part of it. But I'm still training the kids, I'm on the floor with the kids. So it's a dope life to have right now for sure.

Yeah, so the college coaching, that famous viral clip of you just cooking everyone on Memphis at 40 years old, that had to feel good. If people didn't see it, this is obviously a Division I very good college team and showing the levels to it. Mike Miller's, you know, you've been out of the game for a couple of years, you're 40 years old and it was not even close. You were just, you were just dominating them one-on-one. Did it, well, you're like, yeah, this is awesome to show them like this is what the level is. This this what you got to get yeah I mean I think

obviously it's when your ex-player or anything you've done in the past and guys are young kids are trying to get there they talk a lot of shit to you know what I mean so at some point you got to get a fight back yeah and so yeah that means it's it's fun to be able to do that obviously I can't do it anymore but those guys are getting better but yeah that was fun and I able to do that. Obviously I can't do it anymore, but those guys are getting better. But yeah, that was fun. And I had to make a statement. Did they look at you different afterwards? Oh yeah.

Yeah. Like they took what you said a little bit more seriously. A little more serious. I think they believed a little more. I mean, it was an unbelievable honor to be coaching there because at the end of the day, you're coaching with Penny too, right? Like what are you going to say to Penny?

You know, unfortunately for some of them kids, they didn't realize how great Penny was. And so for all the old players I had to stand up for was one at least once. Going back to the trade request thing, because I think you thought I was gonna ask you about LeBron. So I will ask you about LeBron now.

What was that like asking LeBron if it was okay if you got traded? Is that how it went down where you're like, hey? Hey, Brad. Or did he just like insert himself after the fact when he was like hey, just so you guys know I told Mike it was okay Yeah, hey brah is it cool if I get traded You know it's

What so what was the difference between LeBron in Miami and then Cleveland? Because you played with him both times. Could you tell a difference? I don't know. I mean, like Dwayne Wade, it was obviously LeBron is LeBron. But it was he was going to a place where it was Dwayne Wade's team franchise. And then he goes back to Cleveland. It's more his team, more his franchise.

Could you notice that? Could you feel that? Yeah, I mean, obviously going back there, having the success I had in Miami, you could see it. I was one year removed. I went and played in Memphis for one year and then went with him to Cleveland. And so when I got back there, even that year though, you could see the energy of himself, especially coming back to Cleveland, you could see where he's at if he had something to prove again. But his game had changed too, right?

Like those three years or four years I played with him in Miami, unbelievable athleticism. So people would always ask me, like how much more time has Bron got? And at that time, even when I was in Cleveland, I said he probably got two or three more years at this level. And he just keeps reinventing the shit. So it's like, now it's like I don't even wanna answer

the question no more. You know what I mean? Because now he's a 40% three-point shooter and he's efficient as hell. If you look at his numbers across the board, there are like MVP numbers in Miami. So it's like, I don't even know how to answer the question, but there's definitely differences. You can see the athleticism come down a little bit, but it was still like freakishly athletic. But his mind and the way he approached stuff, you could tell came from some of that Miami stuff for sure.

Yeah. I heard a story that he used to lose weight during games when he was on the heat. Is that true? Man, I'll tell you the greatest story, and I've said this on- Sorry, I screwed that up. The story is that LeBron would gain weight during games. He'd weigh in before and then afterwards, which sounds crazy. Yeah, I'll tell you a crazy story.

We did weight, body fat in Miami. This is game, God, I want to say it's six. It might be off on the game, sorry, at home against Indiana in the playoffs. Weight body fat's always on Thursday in Miami, I think this game landed on Thursday, so he does his weight body fat and he weighed in that day before the game at like 267 maybe. I might be off on the weight but the story is the same. He goes and plays, it's an overtime game, almost positive, and he has ridiculous numbers. And he don't use a towel, man, like when you watch him on the bench,

he's got like these little wipes. He like, don't sweat, doesn't do anything. Plays, I think, 40, like almost 50 minutes, because it's an overtime game. He weighed like six pounds heavier. That's crazy. After the game. And that's why, like, he's a test tube baby.

He's not real. Yeah, that isn't real. That's a test tube baby. He's not real I mean just the fact that he was wearing 267 to begin with and then playing like that is crazy I mean we joke about Lebron a lot because let's be he gives us some material to work with He's fun to joke about but at the end of the day what he's done in the NBA is just Absolutely incredible to still be at this level. Yeah, it's unbelievable and it's like I said they're worried about him You know cramping a body weight and then he gained weight like during the games, like he's not human. So what you guys are saying is 100%.

Like what he's been able to sustain and do, I saw him at the game in Memphis not too long ago. And the way he's prepping and doing stuff for the game is why it's like, if I had to bring young kids, like that's it, you know what I mean? Like he puts so much time in his body to be able to do this. And obviously he gets hurt last game of the year, but to do this for as long as he has is unbelievable.

Well now he has his greatest test of all time. He's gotta make Luca not fat. Do you think he will? That's a good question. This is like LeBron's done it all, but can he do the one thing no one's been able to do? That's a great question. He said that's a great question.

It is a great question. I said that's a great question. I know you were about to say it, so I just said it first. Yeah, yeah. We're finishing the sentences already. I think Luca's 100% dialed in. I think you're going to see a different Luca. I do. I think you're going to see Luca.

I think Luca has- You think he's 100% dialed in, or you think he's more like 275% dialed in? No. I think Luca has a lot to prove. I think- He does. Luke has a lot to prove. I think he does. He has a lot to prove. I think he knows that and he's being around Luke a little bit that I have. Super, super competitive. I think he comes back in elite shape next year. obviously in the league circles, was the Luka trade as shocking to you in the moment as it was to everyone else? Absolutely. I mean, you don't see it, right? As an agent, what it does is it puts you on your P's and Q's

because if you can trade Luka, you can trade anybody, right? Right. So it can't get comfortable. That's true. And so obviously, everyone was shocked by it. And for anything to happen in the NBA, and you guys know this, is like for no one to know about it before it happens is almost impossible.

Yeah. So the fact that they were able to pull it off and do that stuff with no one knowing about it was crazy, but yeah, I mean, I don't think anyone saw that one coming. Yeah, I think he will be locked in. I think he's gonna, there were a lot of things that were said about Luke,

and he'll go back and he'll watch how he played in playoffs and he'll see what everybody else saw, and be like, there's some things I need to get better at, conditioning, defense, and I think he'll probably work at all that stuff. You in particular, I'm sure you worked a ton, having a stroke like that, what was your workout routine that you would put yourself through to make sure

that you dialed in? I did the same thing, I was boring. I did the same thing every day for basically 35 years. But it was the same routine. And it was, you know, every day I would at least make a thousand shots. But as I grew in the league and you started understanding, like, your off season's about, yes, getting better,

but once you've played long enough, you know where your shots are coming from. So now I'm mastering those shots. Right, like, and that's what I would say for every young kid. You know, there's probably one guy on the floor, on a team that can dictate and do a lot of the creative shit, but for the rest of them, you know where your shots are coming from

and you know how many you're gonna get. So the biggest thing for me was just dialing into that, because if you're gonna get, when I was in Miami, for example, if I was gonna get three or four, five threes, I had to make three of them. And so you had to put pressure on yourself and you had to do it in a training way to put pressure on yourself. So for all these it in a training way to put pressure on yourself.

So like for all these kids, man, it's understanding where you're at now, where you wanna be, but how do I get playing time now? And so my routines were always the same. Once I knew who I was, I just dialed into it. Was it a lot harder to transition to like the veteran spot where it's like, hey, I'm only getting five shots a night. Like this is now, because if you shoot 15 times a night,

you know, you can miss some, you're gonna miss some, but if you shoot five, you got, like you said, you gotta make three, like you have to do that. Yeah, it was, going to Miami was one of the toughest things and we talked about it, we joked about it, obviously the big three signs there, they talk about winning all these championships and put the pressure on us to do it.

But the sacrifices that a lot of people had to make, not just financial, but playing and style, and it was new for a lot of people. You know what I mean? We weren't, I mean, I'm not sitting here saying that it was great, but we had different roles on different teams, and when you went there, my role was completely different.

Right. And my shots went down, it was less pick and roll, balls not in your hands as much. So you don't get that feel in the rhythm of a game. So I literally trained myself because I got sick of it. I get three or four threes. I get on that treadmill and run for five minutes, jump off and shoot one shot.

You know, treadmill run for five minutes, jump off and shoot one shot, because that's what my life was. I was running corner to corner, being kind of a glue dude and making shots for these guys. Give LeBron, D-Way and CB their space, you know what I mean? So, and I got sick of the ball getting hit in my hands and getting ready to shoot and the cold calls. Oh, oh. You know what I mean? I was like, I sick of the ball getting hit in my hands and getting ready to shoot and the cold calls.

Oh, oh, you know what I mean? I was like, I'm done with that shit. I'm not gonna do that no more. So you've got to put pressure on yourself to do that. That's how you gotta train. So, but it's all situational, right? Like my situation was different there than it was when I played in Washington, which was crazy.

My situation was different than it was in Memphis when I played there or Orlando. So it's all about opportunity and where your situation was. What's the most shots you've made in a row in practice? I shot I made 88 threes one day 88 in a row. Yeah So if you if we said right now like go out and shoot a hundred threes

What would you confidently plus 80 somewhere in that area still to this day? Yeah, that's so awesome That's like riding a bike though. Yeah when you're making 88 threes in a row Are you being critical of yourself like the ball hits the rim? Critical yourself But like you you can feel like when you shoot as much as like any day when you do something muscle memory for so long Like you can feel when you're you're slipping somewhere, right? Like that's where I try to get these kids now, is like if you do something long enough,

or you do it enough, you'll start being self-correction. And when you get that thing in a rhythm like that, it's like anything in life, man. It's like when you go to play that softball game tonight, you get your rhythm going, it's a wrap. Yeah, how good are you at beer pong? Elite beer pong. Yeah, really?

Yeah, one, because I can drink beer really well. So it's like, I don't mind losing either. Yeah. Are you the best South Dakota? Beer drinker? Yeah, probably. No, I was gonna say losing either. Yeah. Are you the best South Dakota? Beer drinker? Yeah, probably. No, I was gonna say athlete ever. Oh.

Who would be in the running? Was Dallas Goddard from there? Yeah, I think. Your boy Benetaria, isn't he from there? He's from one of, yeah. I think Dallas Goddard's from one of the Dakotas. That's the athletes. Brock Lesnar, is he from there?

Yeah. Chad Greenway. Chad Greenway, great football player. Mark Ellis. Hunter Lepke. Mike Miller, you listed three here. Three? Yeah. Yeah, I mean, you're the best basketball player from South Dakota, right? Yeah, I think so.

You have to say. What were your, was there stars back when you were coming out of high school? Yeah, I mean, I was fortunate. I was McDonald's All American. I got to do those things. So were you five star? Five star, yeah. Oh, I was fortunate. I was McDonald's All-American. I got to do those things. So were you five star? Five star, yeah. Oh, yeah, so you're, it's not even a question. Jay Novacek, that was a member of him. Yeah, he's tight end for the Cowboys. Yeah, I think I'm gonna give it to you.

Thank you. South Dakota doesn't really have anything else. Can we get a trophy from you guys? Yeah, absolutely. A PMT trophy. Best South Dakota. I need a PMT trophy that I put in my room. What was that like going from South Dakota to Florida? Like the level up in competition must've been huge, right? Yeah. I mean it

was. Um, you know, I was, he's talking about the chicks. Oh yeah. That was leveled up too. No, I like South Dakota women. I do. I do. Come back come back with me, we're gonna. Yeah, we can bail some hay. Yeah, it's a sturdy one. Yeah, strong. Strong, sturdy, that's crazy. No fire. It was definitely, for me though, I was fortunate, my parents did a lot of sacrifice. I was very allowed to play in a lot of these tournaments

when I was growing up. So I stepped outside of South Dakota and played in those tournaments to maybe showcase myself a little more. But yeah, I mean, anytime you go from high school level to college level is always leveling up for sure. Yeah. Especially in the SEC.

Yeah. All right. So I got a couple of questions about the championship years for the Heat. The famous Ray Allen shot, did you guys know that the Spurs were dead after that? Yeah. I mean, it's tough. I mean, the reality is like when you play in a league for a long time in moments like that, they had us beat dead in the water. They missed a couple big free throws. We get a couple scramble play loose balls. Ray hits, I mean, an absolutely ridiculous shot, not just to make that shot, but stay in balance and make that shot.

But the crazy thing is I know it's been well noted. He said it a lot. he practiced that shot thousands, it's wildest thing I've ever seen. I thought he was drunk the first time, he lays down, gets up, he does the whole deal. Like back stepping all the way to the corner, yeah. He does the whole deal. And that's where I tell you,

if you're ever gonna do anything in life, you never think you're gonna use that shot, but for that moment it was worth it, right? So they were in trouble after that. They were in trouble after that. It's just hard to use that shot. But for that moment, it was worth it. Right. So, um, they were in trouble after that. They were in trouble. It's just hard to overcome that, especially at home in Miami stuff. Yeah. Uh, the, uh, were you in the, uh, the air conditioning game? No, I think that was the year after that. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. They smoked you guys out when he, when he cramped. Yeah. The cramp. Yeah. That was gone. I was in Memphis playing. That was it. Yeah. That was a tough one to watch that's we were watching I were like that this feels like it's rigged. Yeah, do you think the NBA is rigged?

No, I don't think they're rigged But you know it's hard for you to ask that question now after the lotteries came out with one points one percent chance I don't think it's rigged, but I ain't got a whole lot of ground to stand on after the draft lot of their day But you know I still believe it's not yeah When they when they did say not like three not four not five not six seven seven championships you talk about some of the pressure That it put on you. Yeah, did it was there like a group chat on the side? It's like holy shit with what do they just sign us up for you didn't even need to have a group chat Everyone felt that yeah. Yeah, well we, I'll be honest, man,

when we lost that first year in Dallas, and then you go on the next year, and you can just feel the pressure, because you know, at the end of the day, they're more than likely gonna keep the three. They're gonna make the ultimate change if we don't win the following year. We go down, I think, yeah, I know we are.

We're down three, two going into Boston. And you can, I mean, at the end of that, first of all, the greatest game I've ever seen of one individual play, LeBron in that game, was unbelievable. But if we don't win that series, like, we don't, none of us are ever in Miami, except for those three guys, probably,

we're all out of there. So like, when you were done with that season, it wasn't the physical exhaustion, it was the mental exhaustion that was done, because it's like, we were all out of there. So when you were done with that season, it wasn't the physical exhaustion, it was the mental exhaustion that was done. Cause it's like, for me personally, I wouldn't even like a celebration. It was like, fuck, thank God. You know what I mean?

We won because there was so much pressure on us. Yeah. Was there more pressure from that statement of one into one seven or just having Pat Riley around all the time, just observing everything? Probably Godfather. So what's he like to work with? Because he seems like a guy that he's

got an enormous amount of respect from a lot of guys that have played for him. The absolute greatest, because you know where he stands at all times. There's no sugarcoating anything. Yeah. In life, all you want to know is where you stand. And with him, it's easy.

He's got principles. And if you don't reach those things, you're out. It doesn't matter who you are. So that's why he's able to create a culture that he's been able to create there. And all you want, like I said, is just, okay, where you stand, all right, cool, I know how I gotta do my job, I do my job.

Yo, appreciate and respect me for it. And he's the best at that. Do you think he stole LeBron's cookies? Do you know that story? Yes. Okay, and do you think it happened? And I was D-Way just told that story. Yeah, do you think it happened?

He might've stole his cookies. Yeah, I think he stole his cookies. It's disrespectful, honestly. Yeah, you can't steal another man's cookies. I appreciate what Pat Riley's done for the sport, but at the end of the day, man to man, let him eat dessert. Yeah.

When you guys were starting off with him, did you know, was there a moment where you're like, oh, Spoh, this guy can coach? Did it click? Because he was young, and there was definitely some conversations of like, oh, can he handle this? Is it, should Pat Riley come back down? That whole thing.

The one thing I love about Spoh, I love about the organization is they let people be who they are. Spoh. Well, I mean, they don't let him eat cookies. Yeah, okay, keep going. Outside of the cookies, I pretty much like, no, but I'm saying like, Spoh had, they were so aligned,

that Spoh could be who he wanted to be, right? He didn't have to be like someone that was, like, they were so aligned in their journey and what they wanted to do. Spoh, the thing that I respect about Spoh is he was young and people questioned him. Obviously at that age, getting that team, about how he coached, and he did it his own,

he did it his way, right? And he coached the way he wanted to coach and was loud and proud about it, right? And so I knew at that point he was gonna be just fine because the hardest thing in those things is losing the locker room by being kind of soft and he wasn't, he was as tough as he wanted to be. Yeah, I'm sure getting results that helps too, right?

That definitely helps. When it proves that he can win, that his way will lead you to winning basketball games. Absolutely. Okay, yeah, I'll go where you tell me to go. And he was so dialed in and organized, like that gets respect out of basketball players that understand how to play and the preparation of things. Once you see him putting the time in, your respect goes up.

And he put all the time in the world. He was so organized and was so dialed into everything we did. So at the, towards the end of your career, you played with the Nuggets. Yes. What was your first impression of Jokic? I thought he was the best basketball player in the world. That's it? Yeah. I'll give you a funny little story. I get traded from Cleveland to Portland. At this time I'm representing myself. I do a buyout from Portland and I go to the Nuggets. I'm three days late for camp

So I get there and I'm sitting at the practice I don't practice a day coach Malone and the Cronkite family just tell me Tim Connelly who's now with the Minnesota Timberwolves So just sit and watch this one So I watched it and at the end of the practice they asked me so what do you think I said? I don't know who that fat ugly kid is over there. Where's your best player is not even close And this is is is this rookie? This is Taco Bell rookie. Wow.

So what did everybody miss about him? If it was like obvious to you. I've never seen, I mean, obviously listen, he has, he had, at that time he had flaws, right? Like his body wasn't great. You know, he's not, he's not, if you look at his old combine stuff or hoop summit stuff, it's like, I don't jump high.

But I've never seen a young kid like like the ball hit his hands like the Matrix. Like shit just stops. Right. And the game's slow for him. For all young kids, the game's super fast and out of control and that's why they make so many mistakes and why veteran coaches don't play them. But the ball hit his hands and everyone got better.

Like if you see guys that play in that system, ultimately they get paid. Ultimately they go do certain things and then they go somewhere else and it's him. It's a Matrix effect, it's a Joker effect. Yeah. What was he like as a teammate? The best. Absolute best. Yeah. Like it's, he didn't speak great English. He was a broken English. But at the beginning now it's just, but he's hilarious and his brothers are great too. I mean everyone

talks about it. They're the best. Yeah. And Joker can do whatever he wants because he got those big guys behind him. Yeah. for sure. Are you still a wild animal guy? I am what do you own right now? I got a raccoon and a fox you have a raccoon Foxes I can see I've heard that you can like domesticate foxes within like two generations right? I'll be like your best friend Raccoons are adorable. Did you see the meth raccoon the other day? There's a cop it was a cop in Florida that was us they were arresting somebody they go up to the Door to the minivan open it up And there's a raccoon her pet raccoon is sitting there hitting a meth pipe and his adorable little pause

Is the most Florida story of all time how did how did you become a crazy animal guy um My wife is just as crazy as I am. So we love animals. And so whenever one gets brought into the pet place or whatever, someone turns one in. The raccoon was two days old, three days old, or whatever. Got turned in. And the vet will call us and say, we got this.

And of course, we'll take it on. We're idiots. What are their names? So Coco is a raccoon, and Roxy is the Fox. My daughter named him. So no more monkeys. No more monkeys. No.

We learned our lesson. Yeah. The monkey. No, that was awesome. I love that pet. What happened? What happened with the monkeys at the end? They just, you got yelled at by your neighbors for having a lot of stuff.

Yeah. Riding the dog. Yeah. Um, but at the end, yeah, so, my wife went out and we put Sonny up in the room. We had two Great Danes at the time. Sonny came down, let the two Great Danes in and then opened the front door. And we're at dinner and we got calls from

the neighborhood. HOA like your monkey's riding your dogs around the neighborhood. But, but at the end of it, we had our oldest son at the time and Sonny the monkey was getting very very attached to us and so it was the best that we gave it away at the time. But he was literally like honestly and I mean this sincerely like I had three friends living with me at the time, it was better IQ than all them. Yeah. And I'll go get you a beer.

What's that like raising a monkey? Because they're so smart. Like the great thing about raising some dogs, I like, I like big dumb dogs. And as a great Dane guy, you know how they can be, they're easy to trick. But with a monkey, you can't trick a monkey. You're not tricking them at all. And they're, and they're, and they're super fast and they, I mean you can't keep up with them. Like he'd jump in the aquarium. Like he was, it was nuts. It was fun though. But yeah, like I said, they're smarter than most of my friends as well.

Is he actually riding the dogs? Yeah. Ride the Great Dane all the time. Like sit on like, it's unbelievable. That's incredible. I got to send video. I have video. That's so funny. What outside of LeBron What uh outside of LeBron Actually outside LeBron Wade Bosch that those heat teams who who is the best player you played with? You had a lot of team Joker Joker. That's it Joker. I think I think Joker Joker does this early I think Joker goes down as like one of the best players of all time. Yeah, not the best Yeah, you also played with eight other mics. Can you name them all? Mike Bibby, okay, that's one. I play Mike. Yeah. Yeah, you play with Mike Miami. Yeah. Yeah

Mike Conley. Yep This is where it's gonna get tough I played so many teams. Yeah, so bad. They just kicked me out of her. You had two on the Wizards Two on the Wizards Two on the Wizards, yeah These are tough names who is it Mike Harris and Mike James? Oh Mike James? Yeah, and then you had Mike Batiste Oh Mike Batiste, I guess it was seven because Mikel Gladness He's not a Mike. No, he's not and then Michael Dolyak. Oh my good big Dolly Yeah, and oh Michael Dickerson Michael Dickerson. You had a lot of Mike's Mike. It was good

But when a Mike would come in were you like, hey, I'm theley. Yeah, and oh Michael Dickerson Michael Dickerson. You had a lot of Mike's Mike Dixon was good But when a mic would come in were you like hey, I'm the mic. Yeah So what we call this guy yeah, right Mike Yeah, you're talking about the the Wizards being a wild time in your career What is it about the Wizards that it felt like that was a very chaotic point? Well, that was a year like Gil brought the guns in. Yeah. Oh, so yeah, we just had him on we had him on Yeah, I gotta watch that story. Yeah, did he tell it? Did he tell the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth? Well, we don't know he told what he told his truth. Yeah, I wasn't there. So I don't know

Did he were you in the locker room? Yes, I was okay. So his truth. What do you say? What do you say? I love Gil by the way So he said he brought in he brought in two guns and then put a tag on it that said, pick one. Pick one, yeah. I think it was more than two, but pick one was definitely there. He said that his gun was never loaded and that Crittenden's gun might have been loaded and that the reason why Crittenden got the big punishment that he got was because Gilbert Arenas had been technically trafficking guns and weapons from the country, from Arizona whenever he'd fly back. So they asked him, have you ever brought this on a team plane?

And he had a bunch of guns that he was flying back to DC with. And in DC, you're not allowed to have any guns. It's like it's a felony if you get caught with a handgun in DC. So he says that he kind of had to get this big punishment because he was trafficking weapons. That was his explanation. Your thoughts. That part I had known nothing about,

that was news to me there. The story of him bringing the guns in, saying pick one, 100% true. Okay. 100%. So were you sitting in the locker room when he comes in? I was literally on the taping table, getting ready.

Javaris walked in, they had a little beef on the airplane about cards. Don't have practice the next day, following day they come in. JC comes in, I said, hey Javaris, no matter what happens man, leave it. I think it's over, but leave it. You know what I mean?

You're not winning this one, it's Gil. Right. It's a franchise dude, right? Like you're not winning this one, it's Gil. Like, it's a franchise dude, right? Like, you're not winning this one. Gil walks in, I think it was more than two, but it's two, we'll go with two today. He puts it on Javaris' chair, I'm looking dead at it, and writes a note, says, pick one. And I see Javaris coming out of the cold,

so I say, hey man, leave that shit alone, bro. And then it went sideways. Did you leave the? Oh yeah, exit step, yeah. You gotta get out of there. I didn't like, hey man, leave that shit alone bro. Yeah. And then it went sideways. Yeah, did you leave the? Oh yeah, exit step, yeah. Yeah, you gotta get out of there. I didn't wanna see the ending of that one. That's crazy. Yeah, cause I watched the Netflix, the documentary about it.

Was Gilbert, like, my biggest takeaway from all of it is like Gilbert Arenas loved to fuck with people and he kinda didn't know where the line was. Yeah, yeah, he was definitely a line stepper, sure. And if you know who he is, you laugh about it, but that's a little bit over the line, right? Especially when you're telling you got to pick one. And I think Javara said something like, yo, I don't need one. I got my own. I think that's what it said. And that's where I laugh. But yeah, yeah, he liked to play with people. And Gil was an awesome teammate. But yeah, he...

He liked to push it. Yes. And when he got on your nerves, it was like, yeah, he liked to play with people and Gil Gil was an awesome teammate. Yeah, but yeah, he'd like to push it Yes, and yeah, you know you got on your nerves was like, yeah, I got you, bro Yeah, I heard that Deshaun Stevenson had an ATM in his house He did so that when people would come over to party for various reasons why you might need an ATM What do you think I did it for? Yeah, he had an ATM in his house. What was this? What was the service charge on that? I'm sure it's quite a bit, but I I never I never I was never invited those ones I don't know I would imagine it was like $20 probably service charge make sense with it Yeah money any way you can yeah, how were you at carts on the plane?

I like like you didn't know you never got into any of the games I watch those guys play boo-ray all the time, but I didn't play why not it's fun. You know what I just never did I don't know yeah, I don't know but I used to tell the that they're like, yo, like who doesn't fit at that table? Yeah. I used to get Mario Chalmers. I used to wear him out, bro. I'm like you got Brian D Wade, Jawan Howard who's played 864 years, Ray Allen, and you as a really second year guy in the league. Yeah. Like I call it like Jawan's nickname was really like 17 years. It 17 years, 17 year in the league like and made hundreds and hundreds and you got you Rio. Yeah. Playing boo and you're getting booed all the time. Like I'll never forget it. Char Lewis who made a billion dollars too man was awesome. Like literally picked

up a check from Rio and went bought a truck from him and drove by Rio the next day like thanks for the whip. That's amazing. Yeah, some serious stuff. That's incredible. So getting into the league as a rookie, I'm sure you can provide some insight to the players that you represent too now. Like the transition between being a college star and then what you expect when you get into the league.

Were you nervous before your first game? Were you wondering if you could fit in there? Yeah, I mean, you're always like, listen, every time when you were from high school to college, whatever it is, whenever you're leveling up on anything, like there's that anticipation of, yes, I know I put the time and the effort and the work in, but now how's it going to carry over? Because you've seen this on TV and you've seen all these guys and, and you know, when I stepped on a floor, you know, it's a little bit different now, but it's obviously still the same. But

the league was old, man. Like my teammates were like Pat Ewen and Sean Kemp, and you know what I mean, guys that are, now you're getting four rookies every year. You know what I mean? It's just, so I've seen these guys since I was 13, 12, 11, nine years old on TV. You know what I mean? So you're stepping out like, oh shit, this is real.

You know what I mean? And so you're always, that anxiety, that nervousness, you know you put the work in, but now I gotta go show it on this Stage and it's a it's definitely an unbelievable feeling but is there some nerve-racking shit to it? Yeah. What's the best game you ever played? Just because the outcome it's the seven threes and where I was at in the game six against OKC. Yeah Just because where I was at mentally and physically at that point. Yeah. I mean, just playing in the games,

probably 45 against Golden State, if you're looking at those. Ooh, that probably felt good. Yeah, but you know, just, the stage and what I was able to do for the NBA finals was, it just takes a cake. It just has to yeah Especially like winning the finals. You don't want to be someone who's like wasn't

Participating and then you have that game where you go you went seven for eight Yeah, which which one did you miss you? No, yeah, I missed I missed one in the second half, which I sent to miss. There's a good I had I had plenty of time to make it. I don't know why I missed it, but missed it. That's gotta be such an awesome feeling. Did you tell everyone in the huddle, like, hey, just keep, like, I got this? No, no, I just, I was just thankful to be out there,

because my back was so jacked up at that time, I didn't even, you know, I was just happy to be a part of the game, really, to be honest with you. Yeah. What's it like being in the zone? The best, it's the greatest feeling. Like I had a stretch, I think I don't know if it's what it was, but I had like three or four games in a row, I made nine threes at each game. And she

hit that rhythm going. It's like anything else, man. You just use like anytime you shoot, you think it's going in. Did you just keep the same routine day to day? It's like whatever I'm doing right now. I'm not gonna change everything. What I ate what I showed up in. Yeah, I can't shower. I got good sweat on me right now. Yeah. Have you ever, um, have you ever shown up at like a men's run,

like a pickup game and not said, Hey, I'm Mike. Uh, and just kind of blended in a little bit and then got out there and just punished everybody. But I'm about to cause I'm getting to that age now where lifetime fitness got my name on it. Like I go, go get some runs in. That would be the best feeling ever. I might come in here. What, what days we running here? Fridays. Every Friday some runs in that would be the best feeling ever. Yeah, I'm gonna come in here. What days we run in here Friday, every Friday. Yeah, that

would be fun. It wouldn't I mean, wouldn't be fun for us. We live streaming. We can. I'd like to be in your shirt. You could go I've been your chest like bronchitis. You would get fouled hard. I be like, I'm not doing this anymore. I do not want to be a part of this. Yeah. You'd still like, if you were, you said you can't do it anymore, but like the Memphis video, you were, you were cooking those guys. Could you still like, what level of college basketball could you still take everyone on the team or conference? I mean, you're like, if you're putting me in

a mid major situation, I'd had, you know, we're gonna have to have some, some ground rules, right? Like it's gonna be like three dribble. Like I'm not going to be chasing these dudes around now. Like, you know, if you do three dribble, make it, take it type stuff. I feel good. Yeah. Good about most levels. Just like, uh, the athlete, the athlete side gets me a little nervous cause they know I'm gonna play off my jumper a lot now. Yeah right. Is there anybody in the game right now that reminds you of you? Well good question. Good question. Steph Curry. No, Steph was so fucking good. Gosh damn. Um, I don't know. I

Don't know. They don't make them like you anymore. Yeah, that's a fact Jack Goukis What a what a story that was yeah, yeah, he was the man he is the man where's he at now? I think he was playing in the Detroit G League. I want to say He came in the office and hung out with us after really yeah He watched some games the sweet 16 weekend after they got they got bounced yeah I mean we just we basically just sit around and watch you guys play basketball all the time pretty fun So good. It's a pretty good life so um all right. I got one last question row back question RHOBACK.com promo code take 20% off your first purchase qzips polos hoodies jog, hoodies, joggers, shorts, rowback.com, promo code take. So we started, we were talking about Lyft, you being an agent, basketball, media, everything.

Is there anyone on your team that you wanna shout out, like anyone who played at Providence or anything? Oh, yeah. Did he play there? Yeah, he did play there. How many years? Four, all four. Did he, did he score at all or no? Yeah, he did play there. How many years? Four, all four. Did he score at all or no?

Yeah, he was a scorer. Yeah, he tells me all these stories. I gotta see footage. Yeah, we're talking about Donnie McGrath. He didn't score in the TBT final when we needed him to score. Let's talk about that though. Okay, yeah, no problem. We always give him his flowers and Donnie thinks he's a big guy right now.

It is what it is. Hey, did you see Donnie partying with Team USA after guys everywhere but it was like Tatum LeBron all these guys coming out of the club and then it's Donnie McGrath the guy the guy the guy absolutely shows up everywhere but the second half of TBT yeah that's a fact we were counting our money it was a problem we were counting our money I would love to see that but oh man it was bad it was bad bad. It was it was I don't want to point fingers. I don't think Donnie was shoot had his best night shooting. Andre Barrett did get his pocket pick like five times in a row. Josh Boone didn't feel

like he really wanted to be there. It was a bad scene. It was a bad scene. How much would you all won? I think they I think, I think the players would have won. Well, I technically I was a player. I think it was like 50, 50 grand each. And then maybe Dave and I were going to win 25 grand each and we were going to spend it all on the club that night. Dave had it all set up. I mean, that should, that should have been motivation enough for old McGrath. It was thrives in those situations. It should have been there. Yeah. And it was, uh, it was a bad scene. Yeah. We, we choked. Did you get any points? I did not get any I scored in the tournament. That's good I scored I think four points in the tournament. Okay, that was in a blowout game in the second round

They were they put us in but yeah I did not get any I did not get any minutes in the in the final game when that much money was at stake Yeah, we're right. So seriously though on the agency thing, like what's what's the next step? Like are you just how what's the process of getting guys like into your how are you differentiating? How are you like, hey, like Paulo was probably a huge step for you guys. Yeah. So like what's how do you convince someone like that? You're the person that they should be entrusting. Well I think at at the end of the day, you do it through a track record. The fact that I played 17 years and lived through it.

When we first started Lyft, it was about building something that these other agencies be like these other agencies, but be basketball-led and be different like that. They can't be like us, but we can be like them. And we continue to do that. So we continue to build infrastructure and invest in our infrastructure. Build out people, build like a basketball team, starring roles between marketing, servicing, all those things, but be basketball-led.

Because at the end of the day, how good you are at basketball makes everyone else's job easier, right? So, like the way we differentiate ourselves is that we're basketball-driven. And so we do it through our track record. Obviously, Paolo has a lot of credit for starting this for us because getting him going

number one and now seeing where he's at and be able to do his contracts. So you start seeing that we're capable of these things and seeing what we do and how we service them. But for us, it's us continuing to build this thing and be a big player in this game. Yeah, that's awesome. Yeah, sounds good.

Yeah, well Mike, thank you so much. Appreciate you guys. Big fans, yeah. And anytime you're in the city, you need a court or you need us to gas up one of your players Yeah, only one favor. I have is I need my my pardon my take South Dakota's best athlete. Yes, or you will make a plaque Thank you. Yeah, we will put a plaque in this in this studio. I appreciate that. I mean like the Mike Miller corner And then but just so you know

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and unfortunately, it's a bummer of a Preakness, and we want to start with that, Randy. Sovereignty, who won the Kentucky Derby, incredible race, will not be racing at Pimlico on Saturday. Like, this sucks for horse racing, Randy. And I don't know if you have a spin on it or what exactly happened, but this sucks. How did this happen? Why did this happen? And how can we stop this from happening? Well, you and I have talked about this before in the past. The horse is fine.

The horse is actually in great shape. But trainer Bill Mott, the owners, Goodolphin, don't want to run the horse back in two weeks. After the Kentucky Derby, which is the ultimate stress test for racehorses, they feel like that the horse needs more time to recuperate for safety reasons, for the horse's health and well-being, and also for performance reasons because they think the horse will run better with more time in between races.

It's a very familiar mantra right now. If the trainer were Todd Pletcher, we'd be seeing the same thing in my opinion. If it were Brad Cox, we'd be saying the same thing. It's going to happen more and more frequently in the future until such time as the Triple Crown races become further apart on the calendar. So do you think that that's the primary factor or do you think that the financial implications have something to do with it? Where it's like your horse won the Kentucky Derby, that's a massive, massive thing for breeding into the future. Is there just downside now to running again, maybe not performing as well,

and just trying to maximize the value of the racehorse? It's totally the calendar. Totally the calendar. But they're going to run them in the Belmont Stakes. And after the Belmont Stakes, going to run him in the Belmont stakes. And after the Belmont stakes, they'll probably point him for the Travers. And after the Travers, they'll get another race and point him for the Breeders Cup classics. So he'll run more this year as a three-year-old. Yes, his value is improved after the Kentucky Derby. But the Preakness is a classic.

The Preakness is an American tradition in the sport. There is plenty of value to a horse in winning the Preakness is a classic. The Preakness is an American tradition in the sport. There is plenty of value to a horse in winning the Preakness states, even the horse that just won the Kentucky Derby. But they think it is counterproductive to bring him back in just two weeks. Look, back in the heyday of the Triple Crown, in the 40s, 50s, 60s. There was no problem running these horses back in two weeks. And as a matter of fact, there were a couple of, uh, Preakness winners, 1959 and 1960. Okay. They finished second in the Kentucky Derby.

Then they come back two weeks later and they win the Preakness with a race in between with the race on Monday of Preakness week called the Preakness Prep. So back then it was normal, for example, for horses, the 1, 2, 3 finishers in the Kentucky Derby to all come back and run in the Preakness. Sometimes 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 in the Derby would all come back and run in the three miss now you almost never see that and it's really cheapened the triple crown as a whole uh... because that's the way horses are trained nowadays and it's and that's why the schedule needs to be adjusted and i think it will not immediately not next

year but maybe two or three years down the line i think that's probably what you're gonna say so so this isn't new to the rest of sports. This is something that we complain about all the time, whether it be NBA load management, whether it be Major League Baseball pitchers only pitching six innings and getting pulled earlier than they used to and not going over 100 pitches. So you think the solution and what will happen is the calendar will change not potentially a like the NBA for example where they made it. Hey you have to play this many games to be eligible for the postseason awards. Is there any chance they're like hey if you run the Kentucky Derby you have to unless

there's an injury you have to run the preakness if you win the Kentucky Derby or is that kind of like hey that's going to open up a can of worms of health of the horse, it's going to be the calendar changing instead? Yeah, that's going to open up a can of worms. What you're referring to, like the load management thing and the baseball innings pitched and things like that, that's the performance issue. And there's part of that going on in thoroughbred racing. Todd Pletcher, for example, one of the best trainers in the business, he runs horses back nowadays on two weeks' rest or less, four-tenths of 1% of the time. The reason why?

It's health of the horse, but also he has a 21% win percentage overall. When he runs horses back in two weeks or less, 5%. Same thing with Bill Mott. Almost exactly the same statistics with Bill Mott, the trainer of sovereignty. But it's primarily, the problem here is it's performance based. It's also horse safety because they've done plenty of studies that show that horses are less inclined to become injured with more time in between races to recuperate. And let's face it, the Kentucky Derby is the ultimate stress test in horse racing for three

year olds. But, you know, it's the health of the Triple Crown as a whole, really, is the bottom line. And this sport is not what it used to be. Everybody knows that. But it's the health of the Triple Crown as a whole really is the bottom line. This sport is not what it used to be. Everybody knows that. But it still has the Triple Crown. The Triple Crown is still a huge event. It's by far the most important thing horse racing has, the Triple Crown and the Breeders Cup.

And it's been cheapened because all the good horses that run in the Derby that used to come back and run in the Preakness doesn't really happen nearly as often anymore. And now you're seeing the derby winners start to skip the Preakness. Something's got to be done. Yeah. And it really is like, I love horse racing and I understand the dilemma here because you don't want to have breakdowns and horses get injured because that is bad for the sport. But the Triple Crown means something and it's supposed to be really hard. And that's kind of why it's special. If you get a horse winning the Kentucky Derby and the Preakness and then the Belmont becomes a huge, huge event. It's kind of like last year when we talked about Flightline, one

of my favorite horses I've ever seen run and I got to see Flightline in person. Flightline was incredible. Ran what? Five races, six races and then was studded. Like that's the best athletes in the sport don't run enough. So it stinks. Yeah. I mean you love horse racing. There's nothing bigger in sports in general than rivalries. Okay. And we used to see when the same horses the same horses that ran one two three in the derby Come back and run in the preakness and then come back Sometimes and run in the Belmont you get these rivalries like affirmed in Aladar and easy goer and Sunday silence and

Ali Sheba and bet twice and it really captures the public's imagination to see these sources Run against each other throughout the Triple Crown, which is what the Triple Crown is supposed to be all about. Now in 2025, 2026, if affirmed in Aladar run one two in the Kentucky Derby, Aladar skips the Preakness and waits for the Belmont. Easy goers skips the Preakness and waits for the Belmont. Bet twice. Same thing. You lose the rivalry aspect of it, which is one of the things that has made the Triple Crown so great historically. Has anybody checked with the horses to see if they want to run? Like, is this like a bad week?

It's a great question. You think that maybe sovereignty is like, hey, I want to get out there and compete. That's the mark of a champion. Do some horses get uneasy if they don't race? It would be really nice if horses could talk and tell us that. They try, yeah, they try to with the way they act and all that, which is part of the reason why trainers don't like to run them back in two weeks. They think that the horses after such a race like the Kentucky Derby, you know,

they try to, they think they're what they're seeing in the horse. The horse is trying to tell them that they run better, that they like it better when they're given a little extra time in between races to bounce back. There was, there was, there was a report out there that maybe sovereignty got fat and that he got complacent and that's why he didn't want to race in this. Have you heard anything about that? Like, is he too fat for the preakness? He started reading his press clippings.

Yeah, no, no, no, no, no. I don't started reading his press clippings. No, no, no, I don't need to run back in two weeks. There are some horses here, right? Journalism finished second in Kentucky Derby. Sandman was the second choice. They were the top two favorites in the Derby. They're both coming back in the pregness. This is, you can't see him now. That's Sandman's stall. I think he's out maybe walking around here. Sandman is a beautiful horse. Yeah. Sandman is a beautiful horse. Yeah. Do you think by the way the Kentucky Derby? Hang on just a second. Oh yeah you got it. We got Sandman. Oh nice. I just got waved in. Oh let's go. There he is. That's a great looking horse. That's a great horse. Thick.

Look at that. Sturdy. That is a that is a great, great horse. Do you ever boop horses? Not me. Okay, all right. Stall stall 26. There you go. All right. Good luck. Sandman. I'm gonna I'm gonna bet on you. This is called a jolly ball. Oh, what do they do? Horses get bored sometimes and they like a little like a little activity, you know, so that's the answer. They'll bounce around that jolly ball a little bit and have fun. Yeah. The horses are like the ultimate dudes. If you just like, if I had a tennis ball right now and I started tossing myself, eventually PFT would be like, yo, throw that to me. Yeah. Just toss it against the wall for a little

bit. Yeah. Make up a game with it. Thank you by the way. I love it. Uh, last question about the Kentucky Derby and then I want, we want to talk picks for this weekend. Um, I know this doesn't count for anything, but I did, I did bet by AZA in the Kentucky Derby. Do you think if the Kentucky Derby was, let's say a hundred yards longer by as it would have won. I think he would have run second. Okay. All right. That doesn't help. I'll I've been convincing myself that I'm like, I made the right pick. He just ran out of time. He also kind of ran sideways at the end. You know, it's the great thing about the Kentucky Derby this year is that despite the racetrack, despite the sloppy

track and all the rain and all that, it was an incredibly formful race and easy to predict. I mean, we talked about it. I thought journalism, Biaiza, sovereignty, maybe Sandman fourth, maybe final gambit is a big long shot. I think we talked about that. It was really predictable exactly what was gonna happen. And it wouldn't it be nice to see the top three all back here with Biaiza as well to run in the pre-miss,

but it's a pretty good race despite that. Yeah, it would be. You did win us money. And you did a great job on the broadcast as well. Is Mike Toreko okay? I was upset that he had to leave. I'm sure it was probably for some good reason if he was sick or whatever.

Is he doing okay now? He's doing very well. I just saw him about five minutes ago. He suffers from, like a lot of people, from a pretty significant nut allergy. And he ate something, he doesn't even know what, about a half hour just snacking, about a half hour before he was scheduled to come on at 2.30 p.m. And he began having a pretty serious allergic reaction. I could tell as soon as he sat down next to me that something was off, something was wrong.

He's normally real outgoing and ebullient and positive and let's go, let's go. And he was like very serious, like he was upset. And then you could tell as he got into the first couple of segments that he was really, really struggling. And that's a scary thing if you've known anybody that has a nut allergy. You don't know which direction it's going to go. It can be pretty bad. Yeah.

Yeah. All right. Keep your nuts away from Mike Torey. Yeah. All right. Let's talk about the races. Let's talk about Friday, which you can watch Randy on Friday, the black eyed Susan. Do you have any besides the black eyed Susan, do you have any picks on Friday or races that you're looking forward to? And then also what do you have for the black-eyed Susan? Do you have any picks on Friday or races that you're looking forward to? And then also what what do you have for the black-eyed Susan? Nothing on the Friday under card that I read that I really liked that much black-eyed Susan There's a horse in there called Margie's intention. It's it's not a

Honestly, it's not a really good black-eyed Susan Okay in fact It's not, honestly, it's not a really good black-eyed Susan. In fact, it's one of the worst black-eyed Susans that I've seen in a long time in terms of quality because, again, it will sound like a broken record, but the Kentucky Oaks horse is the horseman, don't want to come back and run in two weeks. So it's a pretty weak field, but Margie's intention, trained by Brad Cox, three to one, seven to two, something like that, I think. the best horse on paper, you did kind of predict like if you do an exotic in the Kentucky Derby, you, you, you had the horses.

I was okay with the Kentucky Derby. It's just the undercard races that I'm going to, I'm going to blame the, the off racetrack and the soft turf. How about that? That's fair. Yep. That's absolutely fair. That's probably not, it's probably not accurate, but at least it's fair. So we're going to get a of rain, as you guys pointed out, or maybe that was before we started. The forecast is terrible for the rest of the week. Maybe Saturday might be okay, but the turf course is going to be really soft and the racetrack is probably going to be muddy. There's a horse in the Galerette by the name of Three Havannas. The Galerette,

I think, is the first race we do on, I think it's USA or maybe it's CNBC, when we come on the air on Saturday. I think it's the seventh race on the card. Philly's and Mayer's on the turf. It'll be soft turf. There's a Philly Three Havannas who comes from Germany. She's never run in the US before. In Europe, they run horses on soft turf a lot more regularly than they do in the United States. They typically have an edge coming over here on soft turf. I think three Havanahs is a pretty good play. Then there's a horse in the race right before the Preakness. It's a race called the Dinner Party. It used to be called the Dick Seat until political correctness caused

Pimlico to change the name of the race. So the Dinner Party, there's a horse in the race named Neat. Just one word, Neat. And he is a pretty neat horse, but he had a horrible ride in his last start they change jockeys is a pretty nice force anyway only got the two links despite the horrible right he's eight to one in the program and they spent that day uh... you know it's not that it's not a super tough field and so i think uh... needs a pretty good play at that price okay and then the then the Preakness. The Preakness, look, journalism is the horse to beat. No doubt about it, right?

If all things being equal, journalism is the fastest horse in the race. He ran a really good race in the Kentucky Derby. He just got outrun by sovereignty. He was a strong second. But all things aren't equal because journalism has had two or three really tough races in a row now, including the Derby, which was a really tough race, and he comes back in just two weeks. Usually in those situations the horses might still run well, but probably usually not quite as well as they did in

the Kentucky Derby. And there's another horse in the race called Clever Again, trained by Steve Asmussen, who might be the third favorite, maybe the fourth favorite, who knows. But he's got speed, he's coming off a really strong race, he's had plenty of rest, he didn't run in the Kentucky Derby. And he might be a good play, I think, to take a shot against journalism on the theory that even though journalism is the

best horse, that he might not perform quite as well in the preakness as he did in the Derby. Okay, so journalism and clever again, those would be your two picks. Yes. All right. Anybody else that we should sprinkle in if we're looking at a trifecta? Well, let's see, there's a horse called River Thames, trained by Todd Pletcher, who did not

run in the Kentucky Derby simply because they wanted to wait and save him for the preak mistakes. He's not really a mile and a quarter type horse. He was only beaten three quarters of a length by sovereignty when he ran in the Fountain of youth a couple of races back. So he's a pretty nice horse. And there's a horse that you, as a long shot, you might want to throw into your exactus and your supers. His name is Heart of Honor. He came from England by way of the UAE Derby.

He's the kind of horse that he's probably not good enough to run first or second, but he's going to come from behind, he's going to be finishing decently, and that's oftentimes the recipe for a long shot to kind of sneak up into the top three or four at the end as some of the speed horses start to fade out. Okay, so despite the fact that Sandman is a beautiful horse, as we've just seen, you're not putting him in anything. I'm not really high on, uh, on Sandman just because I didn't like his Kentucky Derby really. He was right next to sovereignty when they ran into the second turn, everything was looked like it was perfect for him. And then sovereignty just left him behind. I mean, he, he was probably

side by side with sovereignty going into the turn and maybe seven links behind him when they turn for home Counterpoint though. He looks locked in He's just he's all he looks locked in right now He's facing the corner remember when michael felps raced in the olympics when they saw him and he was like, you know Just dialed in uh next to the pool before he went out. That's what sandman reminds me of right now Just all right. Let's take one more look at him there. There he is. Oh, he's playing with the ball Hey sandman sam and you locked in buddy. He's locked in that horse. His ears just moved

when you asked him that question. That's a good sign. He's locked in. I have a dumb question, Randy. When they travel with the horses from Louisville to Baltimore for the, the, the preakness, you know, when I I'm when I do a road trip I Stop I get snacks get some pretzels get some candy Do they do any special snacks for the horses when they like take a speed? You know like if the whoever's driving the car has to take out take a piss do they like hey horse Here's a special track snack for the road trip Combos, I don't know. Yeah, that's a good question

I know they have a hay rack for the horses to munch on and all that while they're on the road, while they're in the van. And they got plenty of water to drink, keep from being dehydrated and all that. And if they do have to stop and take piss or maybe go through the McDonald's drive-through window or something like that, I'm sure they go back there and check on the horse. That's really for longer van trips than just Louisville to Baltimore. But yeah, I mean, there have been plenty of situations where, you know, they've had to pull over and go to find a parking lot somewhere and take a break and check on the horse and everything. Yeah, pretty interesting. When we're talking about the German and the Japanese horses, do they ever fly? Has anybody ever flown a horse? Is that even

possible? Well, fly horses? Yeah, they do it all the time. They fly the horse. I just assume that you put them on a boat. Yeah, no, no, no, they have they there's there's airlines that were dedicated strictly to flying race horses around the world and around the country now they fed ex the horses uh...

uh... variously they space that ex sources there used to be a company called flying tiger that specialized in transporting livestock animals in animals back-and-forth uh... horses, you name it, circus animals, and FedEx bought Flying Tiger and now FedEx is in the business of occasionally transporting animals. And when they ship a horse from California to the Kentucky Derby, they often FedEx them.

Do you know if the horses have a window that they can look out of? Because I imagine that would be very confusing. Horses do not have a window. They hollow out the entire, obviously, inside. They put stalls in there. You can actually fly up to, I think, 15 horses, maybe, on a plane. That's a party. That's incredible, yeah. And they have handlers in there with them, back flying with the horses to watch them and take care of them and calm them down if there's any turbulence and make sure

that the horses are okay. You know, the stalls are very small, so they can't be knocked around if there's any turbulence or anything. But horses generally handle that air travel very, very well. You'd be surprised. Has a horse ever been put on a no fly list if they acted up on the play? Like they get nervous when they're flying?

Yeah. Horses from the Middle East maybe get put on the no fly list. Yeah. No fly list. All right. Randy, I got one last question for you. It's a Roeback question. RHOBACK.com promo code take 20% off your first purchase. Q-zips, polos, hoodies, joggers, shorts, rowback.com, promo code take. I've done a terrible job in the nine years that we've known you. I've not introduced you correctly. Really? I didn't. Well, you're a Hall of Famer. You're in the horse racing Hall of Fame. So I have a couple of questions. Is that, you are, right? No. No, I'm not in the horse racing Hall of Fame. All right. Well well I saw an interview that someone did and they called you a Hall of Fame, but

you should be alright fine. You should be in the horse racing hall of fame. What do we have to do to get you in the horse racing hall of fame? And then once you're in the horse racing hall of fame, what is it like instead of a gold jacket is like in a gold golden saddle? What is, how does it work? I have a horse racing hall of fame is in Saratoga Springs. It's almost right across Fame is in Saratoga Springs. It's almost right across the street from Saratoga Race Course, fantastic place if you ever want to visit. And I think they do have a wing, like a media wing, right?

I think I've had Joe Hirsch media role of honor or something like that. And so yeah, some people that I know really well that deserve to be in the Hall of Fame or in that particular wing of the Hall of Fame. I don't know if that's ever something that I'll be in, but yeah, it would be kind of cool, I guess. You need to be in. Yeah, see, I looked up, like, you know, whenever we have a guest on,

I'll just see, like, if there's any recent stories. And you did a Baltimore Positive podcast a day ago, or it might have been today, or it might have been earlier this morning, and the host introduced you. It says, Moss, a horse racing hall of fame, it reflects on his 40 years at Pimlico. So now it's on the internet. Now you're in the hall of fame. If I heard that, I would have corrected it. That must have been Nestor. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Nestor Eppery too. So I think we're just going to say you're in the horse race. You're in our horse racing hall of fame. Oh, and I didn't even bring my recurring guest shirt. Yeah. I'm thinking that what happened was they got a mix up and when they were doing their research on you, they looked up the other Randy Moss

and then they saw Hall of Fame in like just a headline didn't click on the article. They're like, Oh, he's in the Hall of Fame. You are in our hall of fame. We're going to do a plaque because actually, so this episode on Friday, we also had Mike Miller who won two NBA titles on the show and we were talking to him about how he's the best athlete from South Dakota. We said we put up a plaque in the studio that says Mike Miller best athlete from South Dakota next to that plaque is going to say Randy Moss Hall of Horse Racing Hall. All of a we're going to have a whole little corner of the studio. Okay. Send me a picture of that plaque when you get it up there, will you? Okay, perfect.

So it says, it says it was established in 2010 to recognize individuals whose careers have been dedicated to or substantially involved in writing about thoroughbred racing, nonfiction, and who distinguish themselves as journalists. That's you! You were writing about this stuff when you were 12 years old, right? Yeah. I was. Who do we contact?

Who can we contact? We need to start, like, I wanna get a vote. Let's get a vote. I'm trying to see. I'm looking at the criteria for the Joe Hirsch, the media honor roll. I'm gonna go, I'm going to Saratoga later this summer. I'm gonna go to the Horse Racing Hall of Fame

and I'm going to, I'm gonna drop off Saratoga later this summer. I'm going to go to the horse racing hall of fame and I'm going to, I'm going to like drop off a packet of being like, this is the guy. How have we not done this? This is, I will not rest. It's a great injustice. We're talking about Pete Rose the other day, finally being allowed in. Like Randy Moss, it's not a legitimate hall of fame if Randy Moss isn't in it. Well, it's certainly not legitimate hall of fame if Pete Rose is not in it. Absolutely there. Yeah. Yeah. That was a giant injustice.

We're going to find out and we're going to have the AWLs just spam the horse racing Hall of Fame and be like, let Randy in. Actually, Pete Rose should also be in the horse racing Hall of Fame. Yes. I agree. You're right. He's probably contributed more to the sport than a lot of guys. Yeah.

Maybe get you guys both in there together. Yeah. It's probably contributed more to the sport than a lot of guys. Yeah. Maybe get you guys both in there together. Yeah. What a class that would be. I actually hung out with him at a racetrack one time. He, the guy, uh, the guy knew how to play the horses. That's for damn sure. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Well, Randy,

thank you as always. You're the best and uh, we'll talk, hopefully we'll, we'll talk to you in a couple of weeks when we have sovereignty back in action for the Belmont. All right guys, take care. Good talking to you as always.

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Or you can order the popular Big Cat Combo with your choice of cheesesteak, fries, and a drink. Go to PartOfMyCheesesteak.com to order with code PMC 20 for 20% off Okay, let's wrap up. We've got fire fest of the week Hank. Yeah Not much great week. What? Thanks, right. Yeah pft, you know, it's like, you know, you're dominant your team to a game five win your dominating life It feels good at home, especially when some haters say that you can't do it. Yeah. There's, there's nothing better. We're in the same spot. Uh, my really only firefests was, was, uh, I was

in Boston at the game. I missed our softball game and I just missed, I missed being with the boys, but we want, so all good. Put softball aside for saying Jason Tatum is not a firefest. Yeah, that's true. I mean true. Am I going crazy right now? No, this is what I'm saying about Hank. I had a great week. You know what it is? It's because Hank's had so much, he's been spoiled with success in the past so much. I'm not worried about the offseason. You're used to having every delusional thing that you think in your wildest dreams about your sports teams actually coming true.

So whenever something good happens, you're like, yeah, I'm back. So whenever something good happens you're like, yeah I'm back. He won one game and he was like, yeah Jason Tatum's not even injured anymore. Yeah it's basically the Patriots dynasty all over again. You guys know it's procrastination, it's denial. Yeah that's true. It's like I'm not, I said it's like I am so locked in on this series until it's over because everything that comes with the offseason is sadness. And yeah it was two days of of just sad sad thoughts but again those problems are being

pushed indefinitely yeah yeah oh yeah you did miss a really good softball game and a great vibes night so you guys keep saying that you know you know kind of condescending way and that's all right those feels like an all-time you know you know kind of condescending way, and that's all right Oh feels like when you're like I'm vibes. Yeah, you're kind of the Jason Tatum of our Big I came to post post beers. I came to post beers. I know I saw that that's awesome. I'm happy I'm happy for the pugs back for the team. I got hit on and my wife didn't believe me I find an interesting that the softball recap is like ten times longer this week than it was last week That's just interesting. I wasn't at the game neither was Hank wasn't at the game up this week. We talked about it. Yeah

Yeah, it's just interesting. I Would be talking about it for one minute. It was just we've only gone for like 45 seconds. It was just an interesting point Just a data point Okay, okay, just a data point. I'm I was your soft all game you played or you showed up to the team now the hammy hurts yeah call i want to talk about your game i was told management your your recap is a lot shorter this week like a bs twenty three to two we won be weren't there i wasn't there but that's all right it's hard i want my

boys to win even when i'm not there yeah same like them i want to win even when I'm not there. Yeah same with Hank. Yeah, yeah Yeah, I want them to win so bad I was that's my the worst part of my week was just not being there with the boys because apparently it was so much fun But it would have been just as fun if I was there right? Obviously we see all they're all scared of you I'll think they said that to me. They're like Hank scares us. He's our boss. It's like he is you should be scared Hank Yeah, you should be scared Hank. All right your fire fest pft. Well, it's just gonna be that I will say last week

Someone said big cats out here. We can drink beers. I don't know. I wasn't me but Who said that I'm gonna guess max no max wasn't there Who said that I know I? I'm not gonna say I you can drink beers of softball can't be wasted itself all because it's just not fun guys great errors I agree. I fully having a beer to that does loosen you up. It also might have been our Manager, so it even really doesn't matter. Ah got it pug no quigs Quigs taking his coach. Quigs is the MVP of our team. Also Quigs brought a TV to the game. I didn't even know that existed. Respect. That's sick. It was a portable TV. I'd never seen that. Respect. So awesome. Which FireFest? It was going to be that the commanders have a bunch of primetime games and a bunch of standalone games which sucks and I'm not super pumped about but I already talked about that so I think my FireFest is just going gonna be that there's a lot of talk about the NFL doing something to us

that they should absolutely not do. And I'm worried that it's gonna gain momentum. It's Mike Greenberg's dumb rules. Greenie yesterday, he had just seen the NBA draft lottery and he was like, the NFL should do this. It would be an event. You could make a lot of money off of it, Gadel. I don't think it's a good idea,

but I do think that Gadel hears the words like, national television event that we don't have and he thinks about it. Yeah. Because he's very good at making money for the league. It would, it would be terrible for the NFL. It'd be terrible. So what's the rule they're saying? To implement a draft lottery for the NFL. Number one, it's harder to tank in the NFL because they don't have a guaranteed contract. So at the end of the season, if you're playing backups, they're playing as hard as they possibly can to try to get another contract or get paid next year. So it's less likely that a team actually is able to tank effectively.

And number two, it would suck for the teams that are actually terrible, that don't have a quarterback. What would happen would be, they would get screwed out of getting the number one pick, and then they would have to trade a shitload of their picks to move up to number one to get a quarterback. And then that quarterback would stink because you don't have any weapons for your quarterback because you trade away all your picks to get them. Yeah, it's bad. Bad idea. Greeny stupid bad idea.

The tanking doesn't happen in the NFL. It doesn't once in a while. Like the Browns at the end of last year where they just, it's, it's a, it's like a weak 17, 18 problem at the end of last year where they just it's it's a it's like a Week 17 18 problem at all. Yeah, that's not it's not more than that Remember the Giants won a game last last season late in the season, right? D'Nucci or not to Nucci a devito was devito last year. No, there was the devito was two years ago What was the game they won drew lock? Yeah, who'd they be? Means was the game they won? Drew Locke. Yeah. Who'd they beat? Means was the Titans. It was the Colts. Yeah, that's right. The Colts game. Yeah. In New

York. Yeah. Like in that fucked him up. Yeah. And Giants fans were pissed, but like that's they're still trying. It's basically impossible to put on a full tank in the NFL. Yeah. It's very tough to pull up. The green is a wild boy for this one. Granny, just slow down. Slow your roll. Granny. I don't want to nobody wants this in the NFL. No, absolutely not. All right, my fire fest is I just have sphere, uh, withdrawal. I just wish I was back there. Oh, I'm like, have severe sphere, sphere, sphere. What if we build one here? I would like that room I'm like the the avatar people who saw it and they got depressed because they weren't like the blue creatures I when I leave the sphere it takes me a while to readjust like nothing

The flowers don't smell as sweet Conversations are boring to me. I just want to be tripping my balls off in a concert in the sphere Do you think that has anything to do with the fact that chemically, the dopamine has been sucked from your brain from the mushrooms? No. Okay, no, no, no, no. It's the severe sphere. It's the sphere. I just need the sphere. I need to be back. If I could live in it, I would. Unfortunately, I can't. Maybe someday.

They build one here. Minisphere. Minisphere would rock a personal sphere would rock if we move this show to San Diego. You'd be so close to the sphere Hank I Don't know where that Like it a lot. I like where your heads at max. He that's a great point. You didn't answer that He wasn't a question. How much did this? No, it's a great point. You didn't comment on it I don't need to comment on every great point, but it was a great point you didn't answer that He wasn't a question. How much did this know it's a great point you didn't comment on it I don't need to comment on every great point, but it was a great point. I admit that no I'm repeating you right now. It was a point a great one. It was a point

valid Wise point it was only two point three billion dollars. Oh Look dude, that's like two point3 million to you know 100 X downsize Imagine if imagine two points. Yeah, it's a thousand That was a good correction so 2.3 billion dollars is 4.6 Billy no Canadian dollars I'm trying to do the math of how many cavalanches that is I? Can't do the math see one billion dollars would equal

2002 thousand cavalanches Is that right is it 500k times 2000? Oh, I think we're in a I think we're in a world of hurt right now with our math I don't know the answer is I don't know 500k times 1 e 9 Yeah, that's one point nine a million is what's one no one billion is it's one It's a it's a thousand million thousand. Yeah, so it would be four thousand

It's a it's a thousand million thousand. Yeah, so it would be four thousand cavalanches. It's no it's it's two thousand We were right one point or whatever 25. Yes, there'd be four thousand and some more because it's two point whatever billion One sphere equals like I'll be like five thousand cavalanches. No twenty five hundred. No, no. Yes, just two point three billion Yes, one billion is two thousand cavalan inches 2 billion. Oh what 500? Oh Dom 500,000 times 2 is 1 million no What yeah, yeah, what you're like keeping our secret? I'm watching the 15 second right now fast all right whatever you guys right now Not getting a math. I don't know. I don't know if you're right, but I'm not I'm not I don't even know What the fuck is it e like wire?

What's point one five e nine like Hank let me ask you guys what's five hundred thousand plus five hundred thousand one million? It's one million how many? How many millions are enough in a billion a thousand there's a thousand so there's two thousand five hundred thousands yes so there's two thousand. Cavalances in a billion dollars agreed and there's four thousand agreed two billion fully yeah and then some change yeah we got cavalanches left over yeah we're looking at like four that four thousand two hundred seventy cavalanches machines yep across the country great job all around you numbers hit error by the pitcher

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