Pardon My Take - 4X NBA Champ John Salley, Heat Win Game 1 + Bring Your LunchPail Questions With Jersey Jerry

Episode Date: May 18, 2022

The tension has already begun in the PMT studios as the Heat take down the Celtics in Game 1 after an unreal 3rd quarter.(00:02:35-00:18:48) Patrick Beverley wins hater of the year award and we give a postmortem to the Phoenix Suns after Sunday night. (00:18:49-00:34:04) Hot Seat/Cool Throne including an absolutely shocking Billy Football moment. (00:35:30-00:59:21) 4X NBA Champ John Salley joins the show to talk basketball, being a vegan, best of each decade and tons more. (01:00:53-01:55:41) We finish with Bring your Lunchpail questions with Jersey Jerry as well as a state of the union on his Pittsburgh Steelers. (01:56:44-02:18:13)You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/PardonMyTake

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He would be mad if I said vegetarian. Great interview with John Sally. We're gonna talk about the NBA Eastern Conference finals that started tonight. Little hockey talk, hot seat, cool throne, and then our good friend, Jersey Jerry, is gonna be back for some Bring Your Lunch Pale, blue collar talk, as well as some State of the Union

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Oh, we're gonna rock it down to electric. It's part of my take, isn't it, but we're still sports. Welcome to part of my take presented by Visible.com slash pod. The best wireless plan out there today is Wednesday, May 18th, and the tension in this room has already begun. The Miami Heat have an incredible third quarter. Jimmy Butler, all-time performance stops the Celtics, who look like they were cruising.

Win game one, and Jake and Hank are already kind of at each other's throats. Boys? I don't think we are. Exactly, exactly. Hank, would you agree? It was fine, everything was going fine, not nothing too sportsmanship.

And then Jake, the Heat fan, at the end of the game, when the Celtics were down like 12, basically I had to have a three and a stop on every possession, a rebound goes up, and Jake, if you didn't know he was a Heat fan, sounded a lot like a Celtic fan, and was like, whoop, here you come, the Celtics. No.

Even though the game was over. Exaggeration needed. Alarm. Yeah, exaggeration alarm. It was. Exaggeration alarm. Sound the alarm. You made a, you made a noise.

I was like, oh, they missed what I thought was going to be a dagger. And then I was just like, oh, and that was it. Literally it, no words. I think that's the exaggeration alarm. Just whoop, whoop, whoop, whoop. Like, oh, like, Celtics have a chance here, like, this is bad.

Didn't say that though. Billy, Billy, please enter. Billy texted me right before saying low key, shitting my pants right now, so start without me. Was it low key or high key? Low key. Okay. All right.

Hey, a lot of people are saying, a few people alerted to me this in the chat, but you had a little injury. You were playing dinged up for like the second and half of the game there. What happened? Because you said before we started the podcast that you get a funny bone injury.

Some people said that you hurt your elbow doing a double fist bump. Oh no. See, that's where it's like, you're just out of your, you're just, literally, this is a propaganda PFB. This is his, what he does with the NFL. If you watched the stream, you watched the clip, I told you that I had a funny bone injury

and then you just, literally, I watched your friend. No, I heard the same thing as you did. In the event of story, out of your own mind. You know, you told me how you heard it by slamming your elbow down onto the arm of a chair after you were doing a double fist bump. It's hard to control both arms. Hey, I put my hands up and discussed,

like, what the heck just happened and in my motion to put it down, I hit my funny bone. So, what the fuck did just happen? Because Jimmy Butler, all I know is, Jimmy Butler had 41. It's back to last year when he said he was stupidly locked in in the playoffs. That was, like, he was doing everything.

He's blocking shots. He was scoring at will. They went 39 to 14 in the third quarter. It, the Celtics, actually, I think we all kind of felt it because the Celtics played a really good first half and then you looked up and you're like, wait, they're only up by, like, six here or whatever it was? It was eight and a half.

It was eight and a half. It was eight and a half, like, 20. But it was crazy because they were shooting so well, 60% from the field in the first half. And then Jimmy Butler, no man has wanted 40 points more than Jimmy Butler wanted 40 points at J-Butt. J-Butt was gonna shoot the ball in every possession at the end of the game just to put the 40 spot up there.

What is a 40, it's a 50 burger, 60 lobster, 70 taco. I think 40's just a fucking great game. I think it's a 40 piece. It's a 40 piece. He put a 40 piece on it. He was also like crazy, crazy efficient because he went 12 for 19 from the field and 17 for 18 for free throw, which the Celtics couldn't,

I felt like they missed like one of every two free throws. 24, 32, 75%. Eight. And on the defensive end, he was awesome too. He was stealing the ball like every time, and to all the haters out there that say, oh, Jimmy Butler never dies up against the opponent's best player.

I saw him guarding Grant Williams for most of the game. Yeah, he was all over the place. That was the Jimmy Butler game. We also should mention that the Celtics did have Al Horford out with COVID, Marcus Smart out with a foot, but maybe not. We saw his foot. We were sitting next to his agent

and his agent mentioned something about his foot, and we saw it bleeding on the sideline after we took a picture with him. So a bleeding foot. But that's not really what they reported, so I'm kind of confused. What could a bleeding foot be? No Boston sports stars ever come back

from a bleeding foot. That's what it looked like, honestly. It was like you looked down, and the front of his foot was just bleeding. That's crazy, because I think they did report it as a foot sprain, but if there's blood coming out, like I don't know, is stigmata? That's not a foot.

Metatorsal, is that a thing? Bro, football doc, what's your diagnosis? Burst blister. Oh, burst blister. Okay, I mean, if I'm gonna take Hank's side on this a little bit, and I think that I should just assert the pot a little bit against Jake, the game is absolutely a much different entire setup

if they've got Al Horford playing and Marcus Smart playing. Yes. But the heat didn't have Kyle Lowry, and the PA announcer, Mr. Dos Minutos, was out due to his dollars graduation. Which I'm gonna throw a fly. That cancels out with Marcus Smart in my eyes. That guy doesn't care enough.

The fact that he went to a graduation instead of the Eastern Conference Finals, you're the Dos Minutos guy. Yeah, big deal. Was it a college graduation? Yeah, it was like Columbia Medical School. Oh, it was medical school, so it was like, it was like the third graduation.

Get out of here. I gotta double check. Yeah, they survived without the Dos Minutos. That's right, that's a big, yeah. Classic Miami Nacho and all that sports down. We also should mention that I think, I was searching quickly, I think that was the best playoff game,

NBA playoff game by Gabe Ever in Gabriel Vincent, who was awesome. He was, he had that like stretch where he was hitting everything. He had 17 points. Like a tank, how are you, like. Bad. Yeah, because.

They won three out of four quarters. This is a. And lost by 11. Oh, damn. I didn't realize they won three out of four quarters. Well, that should count for something. 39 to 14. I said beforehand and everyone laughed at me,

but with the COVID thing, it does, it did feel, to me, like the Celtics are like in the unknown right now. I think it's bullshit that anyone should be out for COVID. It's like, it should be like the NFL playoffs where COVID just didn't exist. Al Horford's out possibly for the second game and who knows what's going to happen

to the rest of the team. But are you worried about that at all? I'm in full blown denial about that because that would just, I would lose my mind. I don't think I would cease to exist if that were the case. And hopefully so. I'm hoping that Adam Silver takes a book from Godel's playbook and once they have a bunch of tests

and they get worried, because it affects the game. It's like everyone's talking about COVID and not about the game. No, are they testing like asymptomatically as a part of the procedure or did he have, was he like coughing and had a fever and shit? I think that from what I understand, Al Horford doesn't have the booster

and then the big issue is Jalen Brown is not vaccinated. So that's where it's like a little dicey or people don't think he's vaccinated. So I think it's one of those things where people vast and he said he hasn't given a straight answer because of several games that he hasn't played in this year. Right, and I agree though, Hank, if you could be the biggest Celtics hater in the world,

you could be the biggest heat fan in the world. If you think that COVID in the spring of 2022 should be deciding playoff series, you're crazy. Like that's bullshit, but it has to be at least discussed because Al Horford missed tonight. I'm not gonna discuss it. Okay. I'm just gonna, what Taylor Swift say?

I'm removing myself from that narrative. Okay, I like that. What are you gonna say, Billy? I'm never in for the Celtics. Oh, why? Cause they're game changers. What do you mean? Free thinkers.

Oh, okay, gotcha. Got it, okay. But they're not because they're- You're vaccinated, Billy. Billy doesn't like when we say that he's vaccinated. It hurts his street cred somehow. Isn't it a possibility though that the Celtics were the ones that you're not a free hater?

That are doing most of the testing on their own just to keep anyone who's possibly infected away from jail and brown? Oh no, they were like on a flight together. They were in practice together. Like there was pictures that were shown of Al Horford standing in the huddle at practice like earlier today.

Okay. So that's why it has to be at least discussed. Again, I think it's bullshit. I don't think anyone should have to sit out at this point. I think you're sick. If you're actually sick, you probably should be playing. But it's, it's, it's, it's at least needs to be discussed because it seems like it's gonna be a storyline

in this series, even if it's just Al Horford misses game two, he's clearly important. Hank, is it your denial, not panic? Denial, not panic. It was a, I mean, it was a winnable game. They went through out of four quarters. They looked great in the second half. Jalen Brown, I mean, Jason Tatum,

Jalen Brown played bad. He just played bad, but threw up a stinker. He might have COVID. In the, in the fourth quarter. Well, he came alive in the fourth quarter, but those, the game was already decided. Jason Tatum had like a hundred points in the first half and then shot the ball four times.

Yeah. Like I don't know what happened in the third quarter. The bigger concern is like you guys couldn't get the ball at the court. It was like, it was shades of game five. Like they were just having horrible 10 overs. Here's the thing with the Celtics and this is a, like Marcus Smart is their point card

and it does feel like at times they don't have anyone else. They truly trust dribbling the ball. And he's not even like a real point guard. Right. And you saw in this game where it was like, what's going on here? They, the heat just kept on getting transitioned, dunk, steal, dunk, steal, dunk over and over

in that third quarter. And then you get up to a point where Jake is fake cheering for the Celtics in your face. He was trying to give me hope. That's what he was doing. Like it was as if Jake was a neutral fan watching the game and was like, oh, you know, Hank's my guy.

I'm going to roof for him to like, I want Hank to be happy. So I'm going to try and like will the Celtics victory. That was the noise that he made. He, he like, you know what I'm talking about. He apologizes for beating you. He's like, oh, here we go. This might be good for you.

As he's beating you harder. He's like, he's like the hang man. He's like, hey, I'm sorry. That looks like it hurts. Let me just pull this rope up a little bit more. This might be good for you. I'm rooting for you. Exactly.

Jake, if you're getting beat by somebody. He's not. And somebody apologizing to you. Like, can you imagine how that could make one angry? I understand. I've done that before, but in this instance, you guys are blowing it out of proportion. I'm sorry.

Well, we're on edge because these are conference finals. I, I demanded, I saw Hank blow up at you while we're sitting in the gambling cave. And I just put a quick shutdown to it. I said, save it all for the show. No one say another word. And yeah, this is what we're going to get. And Hank's not even looking at you right now.

He's not giving you eye contact. It's going to be tense in here. This is what the listeners want. This is sports, baby. Yeah. It's just like, I don't know. I don't know how to actually make it possible. Let's make it better.

Let's make it better. Jake, would you apologize to Hank for beating him tonight? No. But you should because he won three out of four quarters. So it's kind of a, it's kind of an asterisk on your win. Like he had two of his best players out tonight. And three out of four quarters. Yeah.

And also that. You guys are trying to make me take the bait. No, I just think that it would be the polite thing. The sportsmanship thing to do. That's why you don't have to show good sportsmanship. OK. That's OK. It's a long series.

Don't be a good sport. Don't you? I like this. This was more of a must win for the heat than the Celtics. Thursday night should be interesting without their starters. Yeah. Should we stream on Thursday night? We probably should because I like watching you guys just

sit there next to each other, interact. It's just fun. Nothing happened on the street. No, I know, but just having you guys watch the game together definitely makes it better. Nothing from you happened on the stream. But your presence as you're winning, it does affect that. That's what I understand.

And there was a moment where Hank was talking sweep in the first quarter. He was saying, this is the Jalen Brown, Jason Tatum show. He said five on Sunday's show, which is still in play. Yeah. Here you go. Take that, Hank. All right.

There was one other thing that I noticed in the game. Pat Riley, you see when they cut to him, they always have to cut to Pat Riley like once or twice. And Alonzo Morning. And Alonzo Morning. Oh, and Hazlum, by the way. Hazlum is a coach on the bench. Yes.

It's awesome. He's like giving hand signals and stuff from the sidelines. It's incredible watching him. But they showed Pat Riley tonight. I'm a little concerned what's going on with old Pat because he had no hair gel in at all. It was like he got a Brazilian blowout.

He is old. Yeah. But I mean, that doesn't old people put a shitload of hair gel in. No, I know. I just think he might be at the like, I'm not even trying anymore. See, I never thought that Pat Riley would reach that age.

And it was like he had a little mini fro going on. Pat Riley was born before Hitler died. Wow. He's 77 years old. Just looked it up. March 20, 1945. He's an old guy. He's been around for a long time.

He's the godfather. He's incredible. He is. No, listen, I love Pat Riley. Pat Riley is an all-time basketball mind. Yes. When I see Pat Riley, I want to see him slip back. I want to see him wearing like a shirt that's

too cool for me to even wear. I get what you're saying. You're right. You're right. Alonzo Morning still looks like he'd give anyone 15 and 10 to like at any point. We also had, so let's just say this, long series, Hank, you lost game one against the box.

It's no big deal. Series doesn't start till you lose at home. True. So you're all good. Yeah. Yeah. We also had the draft lottery tonight, which is fun.

The magic. I didn't actually even register that happening. Oh, yeah. Would you like to break the news to me? Well, yes, the magic got the first pick. Who got the second pick? I can't even remember. Was it Thunder?

Thunder were top four. I know that. So are there any good guests in the crowd? Yeah. Well, Rip Hamilton was there. Didn't put on his mask. It was sitting next to him. Thunder, too.

I'm convinced that that ruined the pick for the Pistons. A wagon. Thunder have a billion picks. Who else is? Oh, Anderson Verzal was there, which I thought he was still playing, but he was there for the Cavs. He'll be on the Lakers next year. What's Ronald bringing back?

He'll definitely be on the League. I'm trying to think who else was there. There was one GM that was there, which that's the saddest thing you can do. Like that spot is for a fan, a player, a mascot. You don't. Yeah, I do the GM. I mean, you can't sit there.

Was it Swin Cash from the Pelicans? Maybe. I don't know. You just can't. Yeah, that's. You can't do that. It's almost beneath you at that point. Yeah, exactly.

That's for a giveaway. That's a ticket that you give to a fan that had a part of the stadium fall on them earlier this year. And you're trying to make it up to them. You're like, Hey, listen, I'll give you, I'll give you an autographed, like, I don't know, like 1999, six man that we had Jersey. And then I'll also let you sit next to the inflows.

Right. Right. This was Jamie Gertz. She was always a mind, a mind blown moment. Yes. She would be there for the Hawks. We also had we also had an all time record scratch moment in the gambling cave, which could have been the greatest, like

Mike Greenberg, dumb rule ever. Dugs, coach Dugs, who is our colleague said after the lottery was decided, real coach Dugs, the real coach Dugs. He said, well, so actually the fake coach Dugs. Yeah. Yeah. The the what brought to life the reanimated Frankenstein. Yeah.

Unanimated, reanimated, animated. No, no, he's not animated. He's like the 3D version of the live action when they did the Halloween. It's live action. Yeah. When like live action coach Dugs. Yeah.

The Halloween. It's a cartoon come to life. Yes. Live action. So anyway, they finished the lottery and he just goes, so so when do they start picking? And I was like, we were like, wait, what? It does make sense.

So that's one reason why I think that the NFL will definitely implement this at some point in the future, because you get an entire new night of ratings out of this extravagant. That Roger Goodell will figure out a way to make the NFL draft lottery like six hours long. Right. Presented by Northrop Grumming.

And it'll bring out like the Girl Scouts and the troops. Yeah, that's true. And they'll turn into like a massive thing. But could you imagine how electric it would be if they did the lottery? And then they're like, all right, magic. You got 10 minutes. You're on the clock.

Yeah. You got to have your draft board in order. Like you don't know where you're going to pick. And let's go get at it. So yeah, I think they should do that from now on. It would be an electric moment. I'm trying to think what else. Oh, we had hockey.

I'm still not. Oh, yeah. The Panthers lost. Jake. Yeah. I mean, I tweeted this yesterday morning. So it's a little bit of old news. But the fact that the NHL put the heat in the Panthers

together six of the seven nights, especially games 1 and 2 when they're both home 40 minutes away, is an absurd decision. No, it's no respect. You got no respect for South Florida. You've got us against the world now. Yeah, we've been that way. But it's nice because for the next two weeks,

like if one loses, you'd be like, all right, I still have the other one. So that's the reverse sweeps. You're getting a big win somewhere. Now, I don't want to. This is your fan base, the heat. But they are like, you know, remember last year in the finals when we were watching the finals games

and we were like, damn, Phoenix Sun's fan base, like this would be the coolest party to go to. I've never said about Miami. I'll get in front of it. No, every single time they show a person in Miami, I'm like, douchebag, douchebag, douchebag. I don't know. Everyone always wears white linen.

Yeah, white hot heat. Yeah, white hot heat. There was the guy with the, he was wearing like a backpack in the front, a Louis Vuitton. That's Miami. Yeah. Jake thought Flowrider was Pitbull. No, I said, I knew it was one of them.

I said both names. You thought you had your double dip and you saved first. Who did you save first? I may have said Pitbull. They look a lot alike, right? Yeah, they're both bald, right? They both wear sunglasses inside.

They don't look anything alike. Nothing alike. I mean, that's also Mr. Worldwide. You should know Mr. Worldwide. Yeah. That one's Mr. 305, I believe. No, that's the same guy. Pitbull, yeah, Pitbull dolled everything.

Mr. 305 and Worldwide. Honestly, I didn't know who Ian the Bullfish was. So like anything pop culture music. I don't think that's a fair comparison. Okay, I'm sorry. Ian the Bullfish, he won, who cares. Literally Mr. Worldwide. Jake, Hank is now, we played in Hank's hands.

He wanted us to do that because he needs to get back above. No, we're talking about, he's bringing a topical reference from the stream earlier. That's the thing about heat fans is they're focused on one thing and one thing only. That's the game, right Jake? That's what you're focused on. Exactly.

I do hope that they both, in a weird way, it'd be cool if they both won their championships and they scheduled the parades on the same day. They'll be 20 at one, 60 at the other. Yes. You don't want to, some guy got in my way with that comment and I... Oh, you ran him over? Damn.

Wow, where'd you learn that move from, Jake? I... Oh, man. Sorry, Jake. It's okay. You're a winner. Yeah, you are. This all comes from a place of bitterness.

I want you to understand that, that every bad thing I say about you and about your teams, every bad thing I say about, every fact that I make up and propaganda I spew about Hank, it comes from a place of extreme jealousy that you get to root for Championship Caliber Team. Appreciate it. And I think I speak for PFT when I say that the two of us sitting right now with no teams left in the playoffs,

we just want you guys to just tear each other apart. We want, like, throat scratches. I want body blows. I want mean things said. I want everyone to be as miserable as I am. Yeah, I want feelings hurt. I want things to, like, be a little tense for a few months after this. I want it to be like, oh, yeah, like, maybe...

I want both of you to talk shit about each person behind their back. I want it all. I want it all. I just don't know. Because that's all we got. We don't have teams. We just want chaos and miserable people. If both of you could lose this series, I would root for that.

Yeah, I understand. I just don't know how you're going to get that out of me. Oh, we'll get you. You will do enough of you to make Hank respond in kind. Talk to behind his back. Yeah, I could get that out of you. Yeah. You did that yesterday.

Jake, we've made... Don't tell him what I said. OK. We've made stronger men break than you. All right, other stuff. Before we get to hot seat, cool throne. I'm still not over Sunday night. Chris Paul, he does have a quad injury.

Yeah, yeah. The king of injuries. After the game, actually during the game, Patrick Beverly tweeted out, now watching, let's see who has a fake injury pop up at the last second. And then about an hour later, Chris Paul was spotted limping around the hallways with an ice pack on his quad. They asked him about his quad injuries.

They didn't feel like talking about it that much. It's the LeBron. I have a pretty much broken hand. It's basically broken. It's every single time. I mean, at the end of the day, I think we all know where we stand with Chris Paul. I think you said it, PFT.

He's like the best player who kind of stinks. I also think of all time, of all time, no offense to short kings, but it is one of those situations where height and size do matter. And it's not a surprise that Chris Paul's body breaks down every single year. And he gets exposed defensively every single year. And these moments happen every single year.

I mean, it does matter. Size does matter. Like it or not, that's just the truth. If you're getting hit by other things that are bigger than you, you're probably gonna get hurt more frequently than the bigger guys. If there's a guard that's taller than you, it's probably gonna be more difficult to guard him

than if he's the same size as you. I would say something very nice about Chris Paul. Chris Paul, he should be the face of the Hall of Very Good. He should be like first inductee. He should be the president of the Hall of Very Good. That's like, I mean, obviously he's a Hall of Famer. But I'm saying like he is what I think of when I think of like, he makes it so easy for you

to make the championship argument, which is why I, so I felt great about all the shit that we've talked about, Chris Paul, would not take back a single breath of it. But I'm starting now after the fact when they're doing all the postmortems and you see like even Greeny getting in a couple like smirks here and there on Chris Paul.

I'm starting to now like flip just a little bit. It feels like- I was saying this on Sunday. There's too much piling on going on on Chris Paul where I don't want them to steal that away from me, but it looks like it's out of my hands now where you've got everyone now in agreement like, oh, this is now the official Chris Paul narrative.

I think that like, I'm starting to think maybe next year it might root for it to change. It's like the Tony Soprano when he fights Jackie April Jr. in the bathroom and he's like, put your hands up, put your hands up. Like, Rosillo, put your hands up, fight me, fight us. I want some opposition to it. So it's not fun when you're piling on a guy

and there's nobody left to conquer. And everyone- I just found a gun and Ryan Rosillo's in the pocket of his jacket and he's dating my daughter. But he's cheating on her. He's at a strip club. And I just know that he's gonna have to be whacked

after he robs that benefit concert and sticks up the card game. But just make sure you make it look like it was something, a drug deal gone wrong. Exactly. That's what I want. I want to shoot Ryan in the head. Yes, yes.

And while he's walking away. While he's walking away. Yeah. The, yeah, Rosillo's down bad. I talked to him on the phone on Monday. He was like, I feel like such a loser because everyone keeps checking in on me. And I was like, I just silence.

I was like, okay. You okay, man? Yeah. I was like, you okay? That's actually like one of the worst moments that you can have in life. If you ever find yourself in a position where you're getting texts from people

that you haven't talked to in like months and they're all just checking and being like, hey, are you all right? Yeah. Just want to say like, I love you in case you need to hear that right now. Yeah. It's actually like, it's good to check in on your friends

but it's bad to check in on somebody that you haven't spoken with in a long time just because you know that they're doing really shitty at the moment. Right, right. And it's also very weird to be like checking in on someone because they just have an affinity towards a 37 year old point guard

that can never come up big in big moments. Yeah. We also, Patrick Beverly has arrived this like hater of the year. The, it's over. He's one hater of the year. He, I think he flew from vacation to get up to just slander and go after Chris Paul.

He called him a traffic cone. He went, he went as far to say is that when he plays Chris Paul, he goes out the night before he gets a steak. He has no problem when he plays Steph Curry. He's asleep by eight PM. And then unfortunately like everything in life he stayed an extra day and then started to expose himself

as like, oh, he's just like all hot takes because he was taught. He then went into how James Harden was going to get the super max from some other team. JJ Redick was like, that actually is not possible. The Sixers are the only team to give him the super max. And he was like, well, someone else is going to give him the max.

He was saying Jason Tatum doesn't play defense. Like all these things that he had one awesome day on all these shows and then stayed the extra day. And everyone's like, wait, just go back to the Chris Paul play the Chris Paul plays. He was also the Chris Paul. He'd have a great time on this podcast. He would, yeah.

No, we've opened invite to pass that to come on. He also got into the LeBron bubble, the asterisk. And he was like, yeah, LeBron got, yeah, I guess the Lakers won a couple of years ago, but that was in the bubble. It does not count. And JJ was like, well, I can, I can put asterisks on any other title

that you can name in like the last 10 years. I'll just make up reasons for the asterisks. This is where JJ gets like too intellectual. I like when, when Pat Bev just like fires off the hot takes, he just needs, the problem with him is he's shooting them out like a shotgun. Right. He needs to be a sniper.

He needs to pick like two lanes and then go hard on those two lanes because you can't have the hot take about every single possible thing. JJ is almost too real for TV. Well, they might try and muzzle him if he keeps speaking truth. Yeah. Yeah. I'm not joking.

No, you're absolutely right. They're like, you can't do, you can't. Like Matt Dog and Steven A are not happy with JJ. Yeah, you can't make them look stupid. Cause we know they're stupid, but that's what sells. Right. JJ should have come, come back at Pat Beverly when he said the asterisks,

which I love because we say it too, the bubble, the bubble championship. He should have just said, are you saying that simply because you want the three one collapsed by the Clippers erased when your entire team quit against the Nuggets in that game seven? Yeah.

Cause that would be the response that you could use to be like, Hey, remember when that happened, Pat? Yeah, I just like the idea of Pat Bev going, he's basically going to go door to door now. He's awesome. Knock on every door in New York, be like, Hey, can I talk? He's like a evangelist. What's the, the Jehovah's Witness.

He's like a Jehovah's Witness. He's got a pamphlet in his hand. He's like, Hey, I'm here to talk to you about how bad Chris Paul stinks in the playoffs. I like him doing that on TV. And he's funny because he's got, he comes from like a small place of malice too. Oh, I don't think it's small.

I think it's big. But most people on TV, when they do these things, they're doing, and you can tell they're, they're really saying these takes because it makes them feel good about like having a spicy opinion. I think Pat Bev just like actually hates Chris. Oh, hates him.

And he, so it was so funny because they, it, he hits so well on that Monday, get up there like, all right, dude, can you say for two days and just do every show? He was doing Stephen A Smith's world, Stephen A Smith's world, which is like a very funny premise because it's Stephen A Smith,

remove him from his regular studio, put him into two nice chairs and he does like a sit down conversation. Like, let's get real. And so, but it was just a, it was basically Pat Bev saying his Chris Paul, why he hates Chris Paul, but just in like a slightly lower tone.

He was like, Stephen A Smith is like, hey, Pat, when did this all start? I remember it was like, I was at a camp, you know, I think it was high school or college and Chris Paul was there and I played him and I destroyed him. And it's like, wait, but so why do you hate him? Like it made no sense, but it doesn't have to make sense.

Was he upset because Chris Paul got like more of the shine than Pat Bev did? I don't know, but he, his hate is very real. And it also goes back to show as much as I think a lot of us want to be smart sports fans. And a lot of us want to hear intelligent discussion from time to time about sports. Really at the end of the day,

we want someone who is very entertaining and has a very hot take and we'll stick by it. Because like I watched that. And again, he was saying shit that just was factually incorrect. But the way he was saying it was so entertaining. I was like, I want more Pepe. My new favorite take out there is how Skip Bayless

is now the biggest Luca hater on the planet, on the fucking planet. He's kind of, he's doing that exact same thing where he just like, he cherry picks the perfect stats to talk about Luca. He's like, he will not forget the games that the Mavericks lost in this series against the Suns. And every time it gets brought up to me,

he's like, I don't want to talk about those. Those games don't matter. And they're like, well, what about all the games that Michael Jordan lost? And then he gets mad at them for even mentioning Michael Jordan's name in the same breath as Luca Donridge. It's great. And this is probably like, I don't know, 90%

of why I got into this line of work is because I fucking love the hot takes. The strong takes, they make the world go round. They make sports. Imagine if you had to just like have these conversations with your coworkers the next day at the office and they're making the dumbest points, but they are not able to make like the loud,

completely factually incorrect, but entertaining points. We need that. We need that in society more than anything. Yeah. And that was, it was the perfect storm because even someone who is the most reserved like analyst of the NBA and who's the most mild take guy out there.

I don't even know who that person is, but that person has to admit that what happened on Sunday night was one of the most embarrassing game seven losses of all time. It actually just was. You know what I mean? It's not, you can't watch that game and see that result and come away with anything less than

that was an absolute total embarrassment. And also we should throw in Devon Booker, should get some hate too. One point. And Deandre Aten is now like at odds with everyone and they might not give him a contract. And I just, there was an article that came out that Deandre Aten is like addicted to gaming,

which I love those storylines. Him and Kyler. Yeah. He just spends all day gaming. And then you gotta like straddle the line cause he's like gaming has saved my life and my mental health. It's like, but also you're tired

and yawning at practice. I don't know. Yeah. Well, they could have given them that contract before the year started. And they're probably glad that they didn't based on how we act in that game. Like I know Monty Williams was fucking pissed at him

at the end of the game. Cause I, the, the report was that Aten took himself out and then refused to go back in the game. He said, no, he just said, no, I'm going to be out for the rest of the game. Just leave me on the bench. And if that's the case, like that's what we're going back to cause Aten, when he does play it,

he feels like he's being aggressive. I don't think he can really be stopped. Maybe, maybe Mb could stop him or Giannis can stop him. But like he's, he's an elite big dude when he's feeling like he's dialed in. Yeah. The problem is with the NBA now, you just have to be like, you have to be able to play five out.

I don't know how you can do that with him. That's, that's the, that's the biggest issue. One thing that I'm noticing though, as a trend, is that like the best, all the best players in the NBA, they're dickheads when they're on the court. Yeah. They're like absolute assholes. You gotta have an edge. He doesn't have that edge.

You gotta, you gotta get an edge. He probably has that edge in it. What, in Verdansk? It's called Dara now. Yeah. Dara. It's an island Dara. It's called called Dara. Okay. So he's probably got it there.

He got it from dog, didn't he? That's what I'm getting at. You gotta translate it. You gotta have a dog. Yeah. That's probably correct. Yeah. What does that mean?

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The tier, the bills posted a video or they did it to all their rookies starting to get more and more viral. It's one of those AI things that's too, it's scary. Yeah, it's scary. It's creepy. Walk me through it. Billy.

It's a deep fake that makes you look like you're crying. Yeah. Like you take a video of you. It looks like you're sobbing. Billy, do a video of this conversation and it looks like you're crying afterwards. It's brutal. Yeah, Billy, say, say to the camera,

like I was late for this episode part of my take because I was low key taking a shit. Yeah. And we'll see what that looks like if you're crying. Wait, what do you got to do with it? You have to use your phone. I use the phone. Let me get the filter going.

Billy, are we low key worried that low key is being used too much? That's kind of the point. Oh. That's high key. Okay. Yeah. But everything's low key.

But it's going to be a long. Low key, I got you. My point was that it's going to be a long summer of that filter and I agree it's creepy, scary. I don't like seeing it. What is it used for? I think it's a Snapchat filter. Yeah, no, but like for laughs.

So I could just take a video of you and it would look like you were crying on it and then I would share it with everybody. Billy, you should take a video of PFT talking to Big Cat and then using it. You've definitely seen it. It's so good that you probably didn't know that that's what you were watching.

I just thought that we were getting more in tune with our emotions. No, it's creepy. Oh my God. It's very, very creepy. I'm doing it right now. I guess I'm crying right now. Yeah, you're fucking balling your eyes out.

I'm balling. Let me see. Take your glasses. Post me crying. I'm such a beta right now. Oh my God. Let me see. Oh no.

Oh no. Am I crying? All right, we'll put this down. Oh Jake, I can see it. Jake's crying. Jake's balling his eyes out. So what's your uh- It's Hank.

Oh, he's crying. Jake, what's your cool throne, Hank? My cool throne, I had Pat Beverly, but luckily I had another one. It is Big Bad Booty, or Big Dick Booty Daddy. Yes. Rough and Rowdy, probably the best, like we did the Canelo-Bible fight last week.

There was considerably, or whatever, two weeks ago, basically last week. Considerably less tension for that fight than this fight. This fight's been in the making for like, I don't know, a year and a half, two years. It's got Big Dick Booty Daddy. We're putting out a doc episode today. It's 10 minutes, you get the whole backstory,

but he, I mean, one of the most electric promo cutters I've ever seen. He's the biggest prick in the fight game. Pro wrestler, yeah. He said he won a fight, and then he said he was gonna eat Bobby Lang's wife's box, like a hungry, hungry hippo. And in much more vulgar words,

and he's cut like a million promos like that, it's gonna be on Friday. PFT, making his debut on the sideline. Yeah, it's been my dream. Doing sideline reporting. I'll let you spoil. He's got some good tricks up to see if I don't wanna spoil it. But that's gonna be Friday night.

I don't know if I have any tricks on me. Well, you said you were bringing something. Now I gotta think of a trick to put up my stuff. Oh yeah, yeah, I'm bringing something. Say it, and then we'll bleep it. I can react. I'm gonna bring, well, I'm gonna bring a... That's what you gotta have on this.

Whoa, bleep that, and then yeah, that's big. That's gonna be big. It's gonna be big. It's gonna be big. So Friday night, buyrnr.com. I cannot wait. I, like, Canelo vs. Bible is great. I've been way more excited for this for a while.

Yes, it's gonna be incredible. It's 20 fights. It's the best pay-per-view you could buy in the world because it's nonstop action, great fights, great night. I'll sing the anthem. It's gonna be the best. It's actually the perfect thing to put on if you've got like some buddies over at the place.

You guys are all cracking a few core's lights. Put on the fights, and it's gonna be a hell of an evening. Yes, yes. It's videos. It's terrifying. The Snapchat filter is terrifying. PFT, your hot seat culture. All the boys cry in this video.

So funny though. My hot seat, well, I got Billy on the hot seat first and foremost, because Billy tweeted out another grisly animal murder earlier today. What, your ballsack? It was a chronic. Hank, that's fucked up.

That's very funny, actually. Hank, that was good. But yeah, I did tweet my ballsack out. But yeah, no, Hank, our Billy tweeted out another animal murder. We've told him not to do that. We suspended him from tweeting videos. I think you should keep doing it.

But you weren't supposed to do that. I quote-tweeted it. You weren't supposed to do that until after the second round at the PGA Championship so that Max Homa would enter killer mode. Killer Max mode. I don't know if a core tweet would hold up in court. Mad Max mode.

I think you should keep doing it, Billy. You gotta just live your life. It was current. It was current. Low key, you should live your life. It's like- High key. I'm confused.

It's like watching Animal Planet if it was directed by Quentin Tarantino. It's just like all slaughters all the time. It was a pygmy sperm whale that was being chased by a seal, released its ink. The whale was getting chased by the seal? Yeah, in shallow water, those types of whales get their sonar fucked up

so it ran right into the rock and then there was blood everywhere. Oh, jeez. And it was like pinballing off the sides of rocks. It cracked its skull. It was like gust for rock. Keep doing that. I just muted, Billy, so just keep doing it.

I want you to keep doing it. My other hot seat is the PayPal Six Men. Did you guys see the statement that the suns put out yesterday? Yes, yes. So the suns put out, they tried to do their lightning statement. They tried to copy.

I think that was our advice to them, right? Yeah. You gotta go lightning with it. And they said, today is a new day for Phoenix Suns fans. By the way, this whole thing is just like, it's an all black graphic. Just letting you guys know the tone of this.

A death occurred. The work on next season is already underway. As employees, fans, partners, and PayPal Six Man members of the Phoenix Suns, you should be proud of what you have helped this team and our organization accomplish. It goes on and it basically says, hey, sorry, sorry for everything that happened.

We apologize to you. Well, also putting like a very small amount of blame, but some of the blame nonetheless, on Phoenix Suns fans for just being like, hey, you guys, you guys fucked up too. Yeah. They should be refunded for that performance in game seven. I also would just love to see a team account

just be like, are bad. They should have just done the crying filter on their entire roster. Yeah, yeah, but just like. We feel bad too. If they had woken up the next day and just been like, hand up, that sucked. That sucked.

Hey, let's all pretend last night didn't happen. Yeah, right. Do me a solid real quick. My cool throne is the course at the PGA Championship. According to golf meteorologist Sam Pozorian, did I pronounce that right? Yeah, Pozo. The winds will be blowing in four different directions

on each day. The tournament this week. So get your popcorn ready. I don't know, I think it's usually not that windy in Oklahoma, right? Yeah, no. But I'm just, I'm going to be rooting for the course. I'm sure you will be too,

except against the players that we're also rooting for. Also, I don't know if this counts as the course, but Brooks locked his keys in his car today. It'll be fine. I think it'll be fine. I just figured that was worth mentioning. Yeah, it's worth mentioning. You probably got to be looking around

and be like, hey, is Patrick Reed around here? He knows how to hot wire this thing. Help me break the window real quick. Speaking of the PGA Championship, my hot seat is Max Homo, our good friend, because he has, he's paired with Bryson, and that is terrible. Well, it could be great.

I don't think so. I don't think there's any way. Bryson plays slow. He's a circus. He sucks. Max needs to mentally be strong. We're going to be positive with him, but my thoughts and prayers are for our good friend, Max,

because I mean, could you imagine having like, showing up, you're playing the best golf of your life. You show up to a major, and it's like, hey, you have to hang out with Bryson DeChambeau for nine hours, the next two days. I could see a world where he's like the cooler. You remember that movie where you just get somebody that's really shitty at gambling

to go stand next to somebody on hot streak? I could see Bryson filling that role, but I could also see Max getting so annoyed that he just plays really well, so he gets off the course faster. Yeah, yeah. Okay, all right, all right. We can spin it either way.

That's positive. And then my cool throne is Coach K, because it was revealed, oh, Hank's shaking his head. It was revealed that he made $14 million last year, 12 and a half the year that they won 13 games, and- He's the most winning coach in NCAA history. I'm sorry, was this your cool throne?

Sorry, I was providing context for the listeners. And it's 12 and a half million dollars. It proves yet again what Coach K said was true when he was flirting with the NBA, and he said the allure of coaching in college has no price. Yeah, right. You don't think he could get more if he went to the NBA? I don't know.

Maybe not. Probably not. That's a lot of money. That's a shit little money. That's a ton of money. I doubt that the Lakers would have paid him more than that. Also, a special shout out to everyone who's like, dude, give it up.

He's retired. Yes, thank you. Keep shouting that out. No, no, no, no, no. Shout it from the rooftops. You don't give up your grudges and your hatred in sports. They age like a fine wine. I will be slendering this man forever, okay?

So... By your logic, which is incorrect, but technically, if we're going by your book, the book of Dan Katz, you killed this man. His career, yes. But I'm coming for his afterlife. I'm coming for his retirement life. I want his retirement life to be miserable.

That seems excessive. So yeah, well, I'm an excessive guy sometimes. He would be by three and a half million dollars the highest paid NBA coach. Here it is. The allure of coaching these kids. Come on. Listen, Coach K would have coached for free if he could have.

Unfortunately, he had to make $14 million a year. But you know he brought in so much more money. Like, it doesn't matter. Like, he... How much more do you think Duke basketball makes a year? I know it doesn't matter. Hundreds of millions of dollars. Hank, as it always applies to him,

he should get paid $14 million. He shouldn't also pretend that he's like getting paid nothing and he just is there for the kids. That's really simple. Maybe he's on like a Tom Brady thing where he's like putting it off and putting it off. I have no problem with him making $14 million. I have a problem with him being like,

I'm just here for the kids. I do this shit for free. And the most recent data provided by the U.S. Department of Education, 2020, the Duke University men's basketball team made $33.4 million in revenue. So Coach K is taking like almost half of all the money that the entire basketball program just exists

as a corporation to pay Coach K. He got paid, he deserves it. They probably wanted to cut his salary. They're like, hey, Coach K, we'd like to get some new sneakers next year. Zions are falling apart. And he's like, I'm out, I quit. Last year, he got paid $1 million per win.

That's pretty good. $1 million per win. That's, this guy is, I mean... He's just bashing. He doesn't respect equipment. The camera. Yeah, we're watching this. Poor guys are gonna have to fix that camera now.

I lose Avalanche. I actually just had a moment while this TV was on the game. That was my first, oh yeah, Russell Wilson is on the Broncos because he's at the Avalanche game pumping everyone up. And I was like, whoa, this is weird. Oh yeah, he's on the Broncos. Billy, your hot seat cool throne, low key.

My hot seat is me. So I actually have to end up giving that gambling money from UFC on Saturday night back. Rick itch did tears ACL turns out. So... Wait, what? Oh, you do? Oh, you don't have to give it back to the sports book.

You have to give it back. I have to donate to ACL surgery research. Yes. And what was your initial diagnosis? Probably just a mile. They haven't figured out the ACL surgery. ACL and MCL. Someday people will stop dying from ACLs.

Yeah, should have moved like the Pope who just drinks tequila when his knee hurts. That's another development. Yep, that just, that was his carol. And my cool throne is Jack Nicklaus, who rejected... Wait, what? What?

Nicholas. No, this is over. His podcast is done. Jake is gonna have a stroke. Hold on, hold on, no one tell him. Jack Nicklaus. Okay. Jack Nicklaus.

How did you say that? Jack Nicklaus. He said it like Nicklaus. It took me like two seconds to realize that's who he was talking about. That's why my reaction was delayed. Oh my God. On what planet did you...

Jack Nicklaus? Where do we find you, Billy? Rejected $100 million. I went through, Billy, stay strong. Do not go to the Saudi Gulf League. Shocked. Yeah, he rejected all that money because of his morals, so cool throne him.

Wait, wait, Jack Nicklaus? Jack Nicklaus was offered $100 million to golf? He's like 90. I know, to be the commissioner. Oh, okay, okay. Yeah, so he didn't pull up. All right, good for Jack Nicklaus. So it's fucking spelled.

No. I'm with you, Billy. He's like one of the most big... Why does he just spell his name Nicholas? Why is it Nicklaus? Because his grandfather's grandfather, grandfather, that's how he spelled his name. If you saw a picture of him...

If you saw a picture of him, do you know him? Oh, wow. That was a joke. If you saw a picture of him, would you know him? Make your name more American. That's probably the first time, no, it's definitely the first time in his life that Jack Nicklaus has experienced racism.

Yeah, that's why it's fine to say that. Holy shit, Jack Nicklaus. You are a special person. Yeah, no, you're a special guy. I love you, you're a special guy. Don't read another book, either. That makes, like, Hanks, like, Objinn and Thailand. That's up there.

We should do a Mount Rushmore pronunciation. I think Thailand is equally as bad because it's like you should recognize the name. The same way when you see Jack Nicklaus, like, you know... Well, things, I've only read his... I've only read his name. Yeah, but Objinn is maybe even better because you're also, like, not understanding a vagina.

That one, well, yeah, who knows what an ob... Like, who knows what that is? Who knows what that is? A lot of people. Yeah, but like, probably because you're significant others, like, I had to go, like, I was single at the time. Objinn. Jack Nicklaus.

Unbelievable. Print the shirts. Jack Nicklaus. It's also all capital letters, is like... When was the last time he, like, played? But he gets talked... You've heard his name said. Billy, he tees off at a gust.

I'm pretty sure he's, like, the first person that hits every single year. Right. And they say, to kick off this year's Masters Tournament, here he is, Jack Nicklaus. Ha-ha-ha-ha. But, like, when did he stop playing? A long time ago.

I think he stopped playing at the Masters in, like, the late 90s, probably. Yeah, I was born in the late 90s. That's true. But he's still, like, I think he has the all-time record for major tournaments. He's the guy that Tiger's choosing. That's how you should know his name,

because for the last 20 years, everyone's been, like, when is Tiger gonna get Jack Nicklaus' right? Jack Nicklaus is the goat. Jack Nicklaus sounds better than Jack Nicklaus. He's 82 years old. Jack Nicklaus sounds like every other dude. He's 82 years old, Jack Nicklaus. It is confusing when you got, like, Jack Nicklaus

and you got Phil Mickelson. You want to call him Jack Nicklauson? Yeah. Yeah. I almost thought this article was about Phil Mickelson. I thought he turned down the money, but it turns out he didn't. No, Phil did. I don't know.

Phil did. He's still trying. He's still taking the bait. That's why I'm putting. He should shifter this, like, when Tom Brady was suspended and it was Dom Grady that was starting for the Patriots. Jack Nicklaus should take the $100 million. Yeah.

And Jack Nicklaus should say no. That would be smart for him. Jack Nicklaus, unbelievable. What a moment. I mean, that's a, that's a where we're you moment. Like people are going to crash their cars. The moment's getting. That was like someone's getting their car out of a ditch right now.

They just turned the podcast on triple ages showed up because they're just in a fucking ditch. It's going to be. Yeah. It's going to be illegal to listen to Billy's thoughts while operating heavy machinery like reaction to David Blaine magic trick. Yeah. I threw my headphones off.

What's crazy is usually there's like a small pause where we all have to do the wait. What was that? And then we realized. No, we all knew it. Like immediately. We, it was, it was bizarre. Look, I spent a lot of time in a sauna today. Yeah.

That's a good one. Billy, it happens. It happens. Trust me. It's also a great podcast moment for the rest of your career. It's a great podcast moment. That's, that's. Don't worry about it.

We're here for a moment. Why does he spell his fucking name? Like Nicklaus. You know what? I can't wait for the people in the comments. I'd be like, that was staged. Yeah. Actually low key.

Oh, okay. You might actually pronounce his name Nicklaus, but he just changed it to make it easy for everybody. Like Joe. Yeah. You know what? I'm going to Google Jack Nicklaus pronunciation. Yes.

And there's going to be zero hits because no one's ever questioned it before. Stay strong, Billy. But who the hell spells Nicklaus like that? The most famous golfer of all time. So change your fucking name asshole. All right, Jake, your hot seat cool throne. We're not going to talk that. That's an all time.

It's very hard to follow that act. Yeah. So I'll go quickly. My hot seat is the Carolina Hurricanes. They are banning out of state ticket sales on the primary market. This is like the other reason you should use the game time. Yeah. Because they can't stop you from anything.

Yes. Game time app. Yeah. But the lightning do this. It's fucking lame. Right. I don't get it. My cool throne Q and A's.

It happened last night. LeBron. Yeah. Excuse me. LeBron. Me, Billy and PFT all asked some questions. I did too. You did.

Sorry, I was looking at this thread. You did too. Oh yeah. Yeah. I asked him multiple. Yeah. I asked him about his dick. Yeah.

I asked him about cutting out Kevin Love of all the pictures. Yeah. Would you guys ask him? I asked him, hey LeBron, have you ever considered going on any sports podcast part of my take would love to have you? Thank you, Jake. As you asked him, PFT. I asked him if the sun is hot.

How come outer space is cold? Billy asked. Hey, you ever heard of Jack and Klaus? I asked him if he could beat Jack in a fight. LeBron Jameis. Can you beat Jack in a fight? LeBron Jones. I don't want to take all the credit for making him do this Q&A, but I think we all know he

had no plans on doing it until I started replying to him being like, hey, LeBron, James promised us a Q&A. Let's do it. On May 4th, he still has not. Also, he should have quote tweeted all of his answers. Yeah. He didn't get as much traction if he's replying. Yeah.

You have to go to his tweets and replies just to see what he's saying. He did throw AD right under the bus. Oh, he did? Yeah. If you could play, if you could pick any of your teammates for two on two, like who would it be? And he said Kyrie, KD or Kobe. Wait.

Oh, he could pick any two not teammates that he has. Any teammates he's ever played with? Well, he never played with KD. Oh, Kobe's 18. Yeah. USA basketball. LeBron. Jesus.

Meanwhile, you have like your, you know, your Batman and Robin like currently. Yeah. It's also like Kyrie's never going to love you, bro. No, he's over. Kyrie was talking about him on Twitter. Oh, really? On Twitch. Yeah.

Kyrie plays like Grant Theft Auto. That's hilarious. That's very funny. With no face cam. I love that. It just does like commentary. He was talking about The Haters, which is kind of funny. And he's talking about LeBron.

He's like, we're not, you know, it's not all. It's kind of love. Low key love? Low key love. I noticed that LeBron replied to like three different people who asked him what his favorite movie was. Yeah. LeBron loves telling people that he's seen The Godfather.

Yes. Still hasn't read it, but he's seen it. Someone asked that. It was very funny. Have you finished reading these books? He never responded with like four pictures. And now he's still doing it. He answered two hours ago.

Oh, he did? Well, no, he tried to jump into KD's Q&A. He got involved in other man's Q&A. Oh, that's what it was. He was just talking to KD. KD wasn't even doing a Q&A. KD was doing a thing called using Twitter. Yeah.

It was Tuesday. Yeah. He was KD. He was online. Right. And then LeBron was like, oh, he's doing a Q&A too. I guess he's baby Bron following my footsteps. Yeah.

Big Bro taught him how to use Twitter.com. Yeah. And then he asked KD a question and KD just didn't respond to it. Love it. Also, he definitely ignored us because we have blue check marks. Oh, yeah. You don't have to go to the top. I mean, there was a 0.0.0% chance.

Right. But he saw it. It's crazy. Respond when I asked him, hey, remember that time you accidentally showed the whole world your dick? He's not answered now. No. But he should.

Billy was his cameraman. That's why. I have a confession. Oh, no. I almost pronounced it. Jack Nicklaus. Like Santa Claus. So you thought that's how it's spelled.

Wait. So you read the news. You thought you had no idea who Jack Nicholas was. No, I did. But I've already read his name. There's no way that you knew who he was. No, because I always watch golf on mute, like with my family. So when you see Jack Nick, like that's it's Nick.

It's Nick Claus on there. I just see the writing. So you've known Jack Nicholas your whole life. No, I know. I've never considered that his name was Nicholas. No, but like when you watch golf. And you've never said it out loud because someone would have like dropped to the ground. I've never said it out loud because it's just like he's a dude who's like better than Tiger.

This is the best part. If you go to Billy's brain earlier today, he pulled this article up and I'm just going to do a little quick Monday reading on a Wednesday. Jack Nicklaus says Saudi Arabian organizers offered him more than $100 million to be faced of live golf. Invitational series Tulsa, Oklahoma. If the Saudi Arabian organizers live golf, invitational series had their way. Jack Nicklaus, not Greg Norman, would have been the face of the new breakaway circuit

in a story published on the fire pit collective website on Monday. Nicklaus said he twice turned down offers to lead the Saudi Arabian's efforts to start a new golf league that hopes to challenge a PGA tour. I was offered something in excess of $100 million by the Saudis to do the job, probably similar to the one that Greg is doing. Nicklaus said, I turned it down. So this is all your brain. That was exactly my brain.

Nicklaus 82 was among the players who split. I love it. I love it. I used to have an MC at the end of my last name. We dropped that. Just make it Nicholas, bro. Wait, your name ended in MC? No, it started with MC.

Oh, okay. Oh, okay. Yeah, but his name is Jack. Mcfootball? Mcfootball. Billy Mcfootball. Yeah. They dropped it at Ellis Island.

Yeah. They're like, you're just going by football. Okay. Well, let's get to John Sally. That was electric. Jake, you would immediately be fired if you went on the air in like a real sports media job. And you said that, right?

Crazy. Yeah. Wild. Because like you said, in the pronunciation guide, like they only do the ones that are somewhat questionable. Right. I wouldn't even consider doing that. No, they would be like, you'd go and look up the pronunciation.

You'd be like, no, no. Idiot. He's got the most majors. That's spelt. Like Nicholas. Yeah. I will defend Billy here. Sometimes there's basic changes like Kansas is Christian Brown.

It's Brown. Brown. Brown. Or reverse. Yeah. But that's a college player that not the whole world knows. Right. This is one of the greatest golfers of all time.

Yeah. Yeah. If you want to go by majors. Yeah. And he just. The golden bear. Yeah. I also like to just imagine the situation at the football household where they're all

sitting around on Sunday afternoons, his father's day, watching the U.S. Open. And then they're just like in silence looking at the TV while Jack Nick was his name. Billy, you know who's this dude? The golfer who has the iced tea lemonade drink. Yeah. Arnold Palmer. There we go.

I know Arnold Palmer because that's a name that's spelt like how it's said. Yeah. What about Palmer? Tony Fineu. Yeah. No, I'm not doing that one. All right. Let's get to John Sally.

He's not like he's the Jordan of football. Tiger Woods. Electric. Electric, Billy. Okay. Before we get to John Sally, quick word for one of our sponsors. Yeah. Before we get to John Sally, I want to talk to you about our great friends at BetterHelp.

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He invented the sports podcast and thank you. I invented the sports podcast with Spider and the Henchman in 2011. I didn't even say your name by the way, it's John Salley. John Salley, the sexy one. And did I ever know that it was going to turn into everybody having a podcast and I let mine go. Thank you. Is that why you came here?

Make us down? I came, I did, when I knew that people were making mine, I felt like Little Richard. I invented. Rock and roll. You know, I appreciate you. We're Pat Boone and we're saying like a wop, bobble, bobble, wop, bam, boom. Oh my God, that's hilarious. So thank you.

Thank you. Yeah, I got a new movie, Sneaker-Rella on Disney Plus coming out May 13th, streaming only on Disney Plus. Dope movie. What age group is appropriate for that? Two kids. All. That was the best thing.

I don't know if they're going to get it. They're going to so get it and they're going to be moving to it because you know, are your children interracial? No. No? Oh, then they're going to have rhythm right after this. Okay. I don't know.

They watch Paw Patrol. So they got... Do they really? Yeah. Oh yeah. It's because it's hooked on phonics, teaching you how to sing and dance. But this is a spin of the classic Cinderella, but it's made right here in New York. And I'm from Queens.

I'm the king. My daughter is a princess and this kid, Elle from Queens, is trying to be a designer and get to my daughter. So instead of a glass zipper, it's a sneaker. And everybody's designing this sneaker, trying to get it to be on my sneaker company. I love it. So what's your favorite sneaker? My favorite sneaker is usually one I don't have to pay for, but I was trying to do a deal

with this company. I'm not going to say the name because the guy didn't have any vision, obviously. It's vegan sneaker, I'm vegan, and I didn't want any animal product on it and it had to look cool and be cool, but right now I'm a Nike guy. Okay. I'm a Nike guy all day. Yeah, we got a lot of vegan questions for you. I don't know if you want to do that now.

Oh, I can do whatever you want. I couldn't wait to get here. He's disgusted with you. Oh my God, he has no idea. Yeah. Well, were you vegan when you were playing? Yeah. Yeah.

Why do you think I'm this sexy? Yeah. Really? Yeah. Yeah. Well, I've been a vegan for years and years, but I've always been under the impression that if you eat a vegan diet, you don't get enough protein to maintain muscle mass to be able to compete in physics.

Wow. Well, you're a basketball player. It's a contact sport, not a collision sport, right? Well, I was talking to this 800-pound gorilla who's a raw foodist and I said, do you buy that? And then I was talking to an ox and I said, oh my God, I said, oh my God, you're an ox. Most people want to be as strong as the ox and they forget the ox eats grass. So the largest mammals and the strongest mammals on the planet don't eat animal flesh.

Blue whales. Huh. No, they don't eat animal flesh. John just looked at Billy. Blue whales do not eat animal flesh. Don't they eat what's krill? It's krill. It's mostly...

They're pescatarian. Yeah. They're mostly micro-organism. And then those people who eat roaches and I'm sorry, shrimp and lobster, because that's what they are, roaches of the sea. I don't see how that can give you protein. What it really does is dehydrate your body and causes back pains and back spasms and acne and bad smelling body.

So all right, we're going to let Billy go toe-to-toe with you for a second, but are you saying that your vegan diet has helped your body feel young because I did see the Dirk interview last week where he's like, I wish I didn't play the last two years because I can't walk right now. And so you're saying you don't have any of those pains from playing such a long NBA career? I tore my meniscus doing a burpee at 49 years old. I'd literally work on, I'm not going to tell people what it would do to your body when you add acid to your body.

Your body supposed to be as alkaline as possible. I even convince people, I'm sitting here with Madison who does PR for Disney plus an all-Disney channel and she just came from a vegan restaurant with me, Urban Vegan Kitchen 41 Carmine, just asking for you people in New York and she can't believe the taste of it. And the deal is, I don't think that you should make your body a coffin and feeling it's going to be whatever. When something dies, you suppose the barrier to burn it, right? Not eat it.

But you're never full, right? I'm always full. Be honest. I am so full. And I was just telling him that at the restaurant. But you'd rather have a cheeseburger. You can, it just doesn't have to be a desert. I've eaten vegan food before, I've eaten, I've been to like a raw food restaurant and

I've ordered what I thought was a lot of food and then I leave it and I'm super hungry. That's the most frustrating thing. You mean you had a Chinese restaurant? It's like eating sushi. No, no. I know what you're saying. I will get full. I will eat enough general sauce chicken no matter how much MSG they put in.

Dude, MSG is delicious. Is there MSG in vegan food? If you want to put it in, remember that's a chemical you don't need in your system. That's the difference between me and you. It tastes real good. But it really doesn't. Because if you didn't have MSG in it, you wouldn't know the difference. The deal is we're so used to the Western diet being brought something and told that

this is a balanced meal when they knew it wasn't. The guy who designed the food pyramid is named Dr. T. Colin Cohen. I think I got it wrong. Dr... Oh my God. Oh my God. I do know that it's bullshit. I know him very much.

It's not real. It says that you should eat like nothing but carbs all day like refined starches. And read me everything that they wanted, T. Colin Campbell, sorry. And he was in charge. He was like literally said this was a falsehood. I don't even... If I can, I don't eat any oils. I don't ingest any oils because when you have olive oil, olive oil is 100% fat.

And so I don't need to put that on top of a salad. And if your body is 70% water, we know water and oil don't mix. So I make sure that one makes sense. And two, when she just had a tasty meal, that was a big thing. I used to not walk down Sixth Avenue because... She's got this look on her face though. I've seen people have this look on their face where it's like my vegan friend took me this and he told me I was going to love it.

Didn't you love it? Tell him how much you love it. Yeah, it was good. I literally... She got a hamburger helper slash vegan and she kept eating it. Okay. All right, Billy, you think about what you want to talk about. We'll come back to this at the end.

Bill, I'm a health coach certified. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's been doing this since 1991 before you were born. I want to give Billy his best chance because right now you've got to come up with your best argument we'll do at the end. Let's talk a little basketball. Yeah. Give me your...

You're the king of bad takes. Give me your worst take right now going. A worst take with last night game? Or any game. Any series, any... We're probably going to air this next week, but like what... Give me anything. Any take, current NBA, again, you're famously...

You mean my betting take? No, well, you're famously saying that Michael Jordan's not a top five player. Oh, I do that just to piss people off. Yeah, right, right. So give us one that pisses people off and we get headlines. Oh, okay. Yeah. Yeah, that's what I did.

I did that with Calhurt. Yeah. Yeah, and then he was afraid. He was looking at me like this. I said, dude, I smoke weed. I forgot after I left what I said to you. This is the deal. The reason I say Michael Jordan is not the greatest of all time is the same reason Michael

says he's not the greatest of all time because he didn't get to play against the other greats of all time. So... So no one can be the greatest of all time. You can. You can be the greatest of that decade. Yeah. So in the 90s, from 1991 to 1998, well, from really 1988 to 1998, Michael Jordan was the

best. Yeah. Period. Right? But then before that, it was Magic and Bird. Right. And before that, it was Dr. J. And then after Michael... Cream.

...and Kobe. So Kobe from 2000 to 2010, nobody better than Kobe. You step out of Nivison inside. You've got a big man by us. You missed Shaq, you missed Cream. You missed Tim Duncan. Yeah. I said, better than Kobe.

Yeah, right. So those guys are better than him. I feel like Shaq... You could say Shaq was more dominant than Kobe Bryant. Shaq was the best big man I've ever seen or played against, period. Elijah Juan is the best power forward center. Kevin McKell used to give me the business. I can go down the line, but when we talk about

what impact of the game, you know you're gonna talk about Kobe winning five championships in 10 years, right? And then you got LeBron all the way to 220 from 10 to 20. Now the next 10, we'll see who's gonna be the best. Who do you think it is? It might be Giannis. Yeah, I think so. Yeah, I might say that.

Do you think, I saw it take, maybe last week, Kevin Durant was like, it's just becoming lame that everything has to be put into legacy talk. And every, do you agree with that? I agree with that 100%. People just need to watch it. I think Kevin Durant is the best player playing today. He's my favorite player if I was watching.

Probably mine too, yeah. But he's right, like everything has to be the goat of this or the goat of that. You can't be the goat of everything. Like it can't be for those who don't understand acronym, the greatest of all time. See, I do that just to help some people who... That's literally like most of what we talk about.

If you don't know what to talk about on a sports show, you know this, it's just like, figure out a debate, who's the goat? And then boom, two hours of air time. It's really hard to do because I did a show with Matt Barnes and Stephen Jackson the other day, other than The Smoke. And we talked about Hour 75 and people who were left out.

Adrian Danley, Bernard King, I think they were in Top 50. I kept telling these guys, I'm sure they were in the Top 50 players. When they leave them out, you have to realize why they were left out is for the marketing of the league. If you want to market your league a certain way, soon as you say a name, kids now get on and they look it up.

They want to make sure it leads them right back to being in love with the NBA. So I always say that. So when I say Michael Jordan is not the greatest of all time, he is the greatest of our era, the era that I played in. He became bigger than Magic, bigger than Larry, bigger than Dr. J. And the NBA started in 1984 with David Stern.

David Stern was the marketing tool that turned the NBA into what it is today. And it was David Stern and Michael Jordan. Moses and Jesus, and that's how they did it. Which one's which? David Stern, I called him the Don because he was definitely a mafia or so running it. And he hated it, I call him that.

But he had to respect, he had to kick some butt. I've always wanted that about David Stern because he always seems so soft spoken in any media that he does. But you can't run the business the way that he ran the business and just be like a normal, like robot face, like Roger Godel's kind of that way with the NFL where he's really good at talking

and just making people's eyes glaze over. Like they don't want to listen to what he's saying because he's kind of bland. But I always got the sense that David Stern had a switch that flipped when he wasn't in front of a camera and he was like a bulldog. Like he had a mean streak too. He was tough, he was tough because I was a player rep.

I loved David, David always gave me a lot of love. And Adam Silver is my man, 50 grand. The perfect person to hand the NBA over to was Adam Silver. He's a thinker, he pushes it through. And I think Commissioner Godel is, I'm not gonna say you glaze over, look at how much he has to deal with. He has to deal with like really this may be a baseball,

it used to be a baseball country, but football rules our country. It just does and people can't deny it. I guess the difference that I always see between Godel and Stern is like Godel, his job is to be the punching bag for all the other owners. And he essentially answers to all them. They're calling the shots.

David Stern always struck me as a guy that he had like the drive and initiative and the vision. And he was like implementing his agenda onto the owners as opposed to the other way around. Is that kind of the perception that you had? If they put him in charges, let me drive this bus. And that was the deal. He was helping the owners who were running

into bad contracts, the NBA almost failing, buying the ABA, trying to put that together. They thought the lead was going in the wrong direction. We weren't big on television. It came 11 o'clock, 2 o'clock in the morning. We didn't have a good TV deal. CBS wind up losing it to NBC, which made it more glitzy. And then it came over to ABC and ESPN and TNT.

And now it's what we see. I can say it, I was on Fox. I love being on the best damn sports show period. It was probably the best TV I've ever done in the best time. But ESPN became the authority on sports until there was Boston. And then after that, now you got everybody realizing I can do what this guy is doing

or do what's close to this. But at that one time, you would turn on SP and that would be the answer. It was almost like, all right, here's the narrative that's being said. That was a very, very diplomatic way of being like, you guys are a bunch of assholes. And you made every other asshole out there be like, oh,

I can do this. And it's not far off. Yeah, no, you're right. I'm 100% right. But you guys are really good at it. I appreciate that. Really? I don't want to do the legacy talk,

but I do have one that always confuses me. Why does Isaiah get kind of lost in the shuffle of some of the best of all time point guard? And it doesn't feel like that sometimes? Yeah, they hate him because he's short. Yeah, I mean, the conversation always is like, here are the best point guards. And Isaiah gets mentioned.

But he always gets mentioned fourth or fifth. Because they get in the way. They let everything else, the propaganda that the Chicago Bulls put on Isaiah Thomas. That was propaganda. They let everything else get in the way of his greatness. And I tell people, I said, the greatest play I've ever played with is Isaiah Thomas.

And I have played with Michael. I have played with Kobe and Shaq. But the greatest play was Isaiah Thomas. That's your bad take of the day. There you go. He's six foot. And he did everything everybody else was doing. And in the same amount of time that Steph Curry was playing,

Isaiah had better stats. But no one wants to mention it. But Steph Curry was like a much, much, much better shooter. Like the greatest ever shooter basketball. Right, correct. Not really, but. Well, yes, actually, really. I think he is.

I actually went to the game where he broke the record for most three pointers. Right, but his dad was a hell of a shooter. Right, but he actually, I think by every metric. Reggie Miller was a hell of a shooter. And Steph Curry was better. Dale Ellis was a hell of a shooter. Steph Curry's better.

Yeah. But that's something you can actually. Can I keep going down the line? No, no, you can actually look up. Like he has the best three points. And how many more shots he's taken. But percentage wise for that many shots, I like what you're doing because it's kind of like the opposite.

Making you research? No, yeah, you're making me think too hard. That's what I don't like. But it's the opposite of what's normally said, which is like back in the day, like the NBA was more violent. It was a man's game down low. You're saying that actually the shooting, I've never heard that argument that the shooting was better

back in like the late 80s, early 90s. I'm telling you Dale's father graduated when I, Dale's father, I mean, Steph's father, Dale Curry was an unbelievable shooter at West Virginia. Where was he at? Was he at Virginia Tech? Yes, Virginia Tech.

Unbelievable. And I went to Georgia Tech, a school that really concentrates on studies unlike the rest of the tech schools. And I thought his father was one of the smoothest shots in the world. But then we had Chuck Person and we had Dale Ellis. And we had, who else did we have that was a great shooter at that time?

Steve Kerr. Steve Kerr. That was my man. Steve Kerr, that was my man. Percentage wise is actually the best of all time. I didn't hear you. Say it again, because you said something about that. No, percentage wise.

But Steph Curry's made and attempted like 4X what Steve Kerr shot. More shots. When you played with Michael Jordan, if he didn't play with Michael Jordan, he would have gotten more shots. The offense was set up for him to shoot. Listen, I'm a huge Steph Curry fan.

Doesn't sound like it. You're not going to. Doesn't sound like it. What would Steph say about you? Oh, Steph loves me. But he's not because he was our boy and I know his daddy. And but you're not going to literally cancel the rest. And he won't let you do it either.

I actually am looking at the list right now. I'm actually OK with saying Kyle Korver. Because Kyle Korver does have a higher percentage than Steph. And he's made a lot of three. So yeah, I'm cool with that. Kyle Korver best three-point shooter of all time. See, you guys did cheat in college, I can tell, because you're only looking at the cliff notes.

Yeah. That's not cheating. This is called being efficient. Yeah, it's more being efficient. Yeah, you paid all that college just to drink beer and be efficient. I got the piece of paper. That's all that matters when you graduate. I gave it to my mother.

I've got other passions and interests when I was in college. You're just really good at it. Whenever you say a definitive statement, you're like, that's just not true. And you're able to move off it. It's nice. The deal is because when you check, because I remember I was there. And that's what I just said on this other show.

Like, what other people think of you is none of your business. That's the first thing. What they say about you, if it's not true, you shouldn't give it any credence. But when you're a person who I've been in this business and I looked and I said, man, that's not true. You're trying to push us in this direction. And I remember I was on the SB1 time

and I said Michael Jordan was the greatest of all time. And you would have thought I said something crazy, like, yo, Ben Leiden just knocked on my door yesterday. He ain't dead. You know, something out of this world. He's tall. And I said, man, just do what a beard he kept saying, let me in. And I realized that they have a target

and they have to deal with that target. They have to say it because they all push it the same way. And I'm not like that. I'm just not. And I say it and I say this all the time. I tell MJs every time they say it, I'm going to say this. You know, Sal, you're crazy. They're going to kill you.

I said, I know. But you know what? I like messing with you and I like messing with them. He'll laugh about it all day. You're like, yeah. I mean, we they do take it very seriously sometimes. Oh, yeah. Like it's it's church.

It's like scripture. And they don't even play. So we we we a greeny can ball greeny can ball. We like to mock these debates. But we also understand that like if you're sitting at a bar and you're just having a debate, like saying, who's the greatest of all time? That's just how people will talk to each other.

I know. It's stupid. It doesn't mean anything. It's silly. But it's also how we converse. A kid told me. He said, you know what? Kobe Bryant is the greatest player I've ever seen in my life. I said, how old are you?

He said, 16. I said, I agree. Because in 16 years, you've been watching and paying attention, sent you a nine. So in five years, Kobe's better than LeBron in your mind. And that time from 2000 to 2010, and that kid, you can't tell him anything different. Yeah. So who's the best of all time?

If you were to set it up so if you had if you had a one on one tournament, yeah, I think you're allowed to hand check and all that kind of stuff. I I put magic like magic would be pretty magic. And Larry Bird's height. He's big. Yeah. Kevin Durand would be pretty tough with this height. I mean, LeBron would probably in terms of the whole package,

one on one. It'd be tough to beat LeBron and all Kevin Durand. Yeah. But if you give the ball the magic first, you're going to lose. How about this, though? Counter argument, Kobe simply would not allow himself to lose. Yeah, Kobe was no no Joe. It was funny, too, man, because you would look at somebody

that can totally take over the game and put it put it on my back like Joe is going to do with Philly pretty soon. He's going to realize, hey, all I got to do is put the ball in the basket every time they give it to me. Right. Yeah. Right. Easy. Once you think that way, it'd be like Lawrence Taylor. Lawrence Taylor used to say, he's been, oh, you're the quarterback

and he would run and something would be in his way and we'd move it out of the way and then grab the quarterback. It's a simple game. That's exactly how you have to look at it. You got to look at it that way, too. So I alluded to it at the beginning, but you've had a million different jobs, fun jobs, crazy jobs, TV, sports, obviously playing sports.

I'm semi Jamaican. Semi Jamaican. What's your favorite job that you've ever had? Best damn sport show period. So that's better than playing in the NBA. Yeah. It's so funny because I wouldn't look at it as a job. Right. And soon as it started feeling like a job, it was wrong for me.

So I used to love going to practice. I love running into practice because, you know, I got paid to practice. Right. And I didn't look at it as a job. I looked at it because it's another thing, man. When you get into the playoffs in April, these guys are not getting paid. Every bit of money they're playing for now, that contract stopped. And they're playing for bonus money, which the last guy on the bench

is going to get the same amount. So this is mono a mono playing and this is the best time of the year because you're not saying, man, they gave you this much money. You should be money does not make you super human. You know, it makes you super sexy, but it doesn't make you super human. That's a great quote. Right. So I liked when you get to the point where there is no money. You're not getting that big contract.

The sun is out. It's hot outside. And it's just I don't have to literally play you tonight and then play another team the next night and in two nights. I only got you to worry about. That's why I felt I played better and we played better because we were really good at focusing. Right. So so on the best damn sports show,

who is the who is your best friend on the set? I'm my best friend. OK. Yeah. And it's really hard. I shouldn't know that. Yeah. It's a dumb question. Yeah, man. I the reason I say that is because I've been in Hollywood

and I've been an athlete my whole life and they can trade a guy. You can get you can quit on a high school team. And then you've got to all try out to audition so you got to destroy the guy in front of you. So when you're in in your work situation, it's not really friendship. Like you guys are constituent and you work together. You've got a good chemistry. Let's not mess it up. Let's keep it going.

But you don't hang out in this house on the weekend. Yeah, but we consider Big Cat to be my friend. Yeah. Really? Yeah, I think we're pretty close friends. Everybody in this room. Now, it is true. Family. It is true. Yeah, we're closer than friends. That's probably why Best Damn Sports show stopped. Yeah, after nine years.

You guys were a family doing this for six. Yeah, when you get nine years, talk to me. But I feel like it is fair, though, like when you work around somebody all the time, we don't hang out on the weekends. We go we've got our separate things that we go home and we do and see the people that we don't see when we're here at the office. But like was there one person that you had the best chemistry

while you were working? Michael Irvin. OK. Michael Irvin is by far one of the great. And then Michael Strahan is probably my favorite person. I've worked with. So shots fired at Regis. You hated Regis. Yeah, I never was with Regis. Oh, you weren't? No. That was his other iteration.

Oh, the second. When you were watching that, were you like this, you know what? Back in my day, when when Best Damn Sports show was a more physical league, when I dominated, these guys couldn't hang back then. Exactly. And when they went to the best thing was Carissa Thompson. I love Carissa Thompson. She's a psycho.

She's a psycho, but I love her. That's what I'm saying. I just saw my man, one of my boys, and I said that. I said, baby girl got married and she didn't. But she's such a dude, but a pretty girl. I loved it. And she knows what I mean by that. She's definitely a person you can roll with. We're going to get back to John Salinger's second.

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Who is your favorite teammate in the NBA? Because you played for some famous teams, played for the 96 Bulls. You played for the bad boy, Pistons, played with Kobe and Shaq in the Lakers, four rings, three different teams. Nobody talks about you like they talk about Robert Ori. I feel like I feel like they should. Yeah, I know in three decades, two millenniums. Let me know. It never brings it up.

Two millenniums. That's great. Two millenniums. Yeah, let's work on this. I'm going to name a couple of guys. OK, I'd love to hear if they get like store like why they are Glenn Rice. OK, because he's Glenn Rice. And he's he's he's just one of the greatest people I've been around. Brian Shaw. OK, Keith Askins. OK. Chuck Nevit, who was seven, five play that Chuck Nevit

literally taught me comedy, timing. Rick Mahon, James Edwards, Johnny Long and then what other team was I on? Toronto, man. Big O. Uh, Murray, Tracy Murray, who is OK. So that's a lot.

That's a good list of of teammates that like your best judge, but Bushler, Randy Brown, Steve Kerr. I love I love those guys on Chicago. I wish I could have stayed in Chicago. I loved the makeup of that squad. It was dope. Yeah. So yeah, we obviously watched, you know, everyone talks about Michael Jordan as a teammate. Do you? Oh, I love Michael as a teammate.

Yeah, I feel like he judging it now, looking back at it, you can be like, well, he was such a dick, but it felt like from from everyone in the locker room, you can tell me I'm way off. Probably. Well, they they respected the fact that he was that competitive and everyone wanted to be better because of the standard he set. Well, let me let me put it to you this way. I didn't realize until last dance that we were so in his head.

If we would have known that, they would have never been champions. If we would have known, you mean the pistols you're talking about? Yeah, we would have known how much. Well, you guys basically played football in a basketball. No, no, that was the Celtics. The Celtics were and I got video to prove it. The Celtics were these this team that would knock you out of the air. Look at the the finals with the with the Lakers.

They they put it on TV. The Celtics were dirty and they would get a whole bunch of goons on the side. You thought it was a hockey team from Boston, right? You thought you're playing the Brewers or the Celtics. And that was the way the game was played. Everyone would call us bad boys because we didn't put up with any sugar, honey, iced tea and and I just sit and I think about MJ. And if I knew it and I was as competitive, all of us as competitive as MJ,

the entire piston team. So he was like, I'm doing this all by myself and I got no help. You didn't have any help because we punked everybody else. And when guys wanted to stand up, I got a video when they wanted to hit us back and do things and stand back. We were laughing. We were like, oh, you guys are trying to be, you know, they were hitting. They would stand there.

You ever see an NBA fight, put your hands down, put your chin forward. I was dumbass. So I would laugh when they did that. And that and I'm telling you, if we knew that we had MJ's number that way, we would have really put it on because it would have never happened. It would have. Y'all would have never seen the Bulls be what they become. And by that time, you know, we were like not the team we were right.

We got to the end. We got to the Eastern Conference finals, but we weren't. We didn't have we didn't have what we had. How hard is it to repeat? Because that's that's hard. That feels like, I mean, when was the last time we had a repeat? It's been, oh, I guess the warriors. Oh, the Warriors.

Yeah. So that happens a lot. But I always think that that toll it takes, you know, year after year is playing that deep into the season. It's it's got to be a point where you're like, I'm just tired. Yeah. Well, this is the other problem when winning the championship is very hard. Trust me. But when you win the championship, the next year, you're the one everyone is gunning at. There are no soft games.

Right. Everybody is like, oh, we about to play the champ. So I'm going to get my all. I'm going to get a matter of fact, I'm hurt. I kind of got a knee pain on Tuesday, but on Thursday, they jumping 80 inches out of the gym. You know what I'm saying? All of a sudden you were hurt two days ago. Probably more games on TV, too. So guys get more amped up for that.

Yeah. They get more amp to get at us in Boston. I remember one time they would somebody was ringing the fire alarm every half an hour, so we couldn't take the hotel. Yeah, I love that. That's probably Hank. Hank probably broke in a producer. You mentioned Glenn Rice. You probably haven't been asked this question, but when I hear Glenn Rice's name, I always think back to the rumor that came out like seven, eight years ago.

Sarah Palin, when she was a sports reporter, Alaska, you don't know. I'm talking about the right to remain silent. Anything I say can only be used against me in the court of court. Because Glenn allegedly confirmed it to the reporter, but he never said anything publicly. Did he ever mention that to you? Like him and her used to be a data thing. Crickets. Crickets. No, he never mentioned anything to me about.

I met Sarah Palin at a really big time party in Malibu. And she said, she turned around. She said, spider sally. And I said, Sarah Palin, she was like, hey, how you doing? And I looked at her and I said, boy, you got big time because she used to live in Portland and, you know, she was big time. I met her back then. So I love what Sarah Palin had turned into.

Well, some of the things she says I didn't. But I love that she went from this point to this point to this point. I like to see people build themselves into something better. But Glenn never, never once mentioned it to you. No, Glenn was married to all the times I was around Glenn. And he used to make me because he was so and I was just getting married. He was so into the man. I don't want to go to nightclubs, man, and be, you know, with all these guys.

I'm not into it. So we would go to the movies and I love movies. Yeah. So we would go see a different movie and then I would take them to see some independent movie. So I don't take me to see nothing like that again, man. I don't even understand. And then there was words going under the bar, you know, that kind of thing. But I loved I love going to movies.

So we would find different movies we would go to. We would eat and go to the nine o'clock show, which were finished at 1115. We're not going to go sleep at two o'clock anyway. Yeah. So what about the bad boy, Pistons? Who was like, in your opinion, the the the leader of the bad boys or like the baddest boy? Was Rick Mahon was the baddest and still is the baddest of the bad boys. And then Bill Ambeer is Bill Ambeer.

Let me tell you, I tell you, Landwood put all you can boom, you can do all that stuff and throw it at him. Give it to me. And it was like fuel. It was fuel. He the smartest player, one of the smartest players I've ever been with was Bill Ambeer really thought it through. Isaiah overthink. Is that a word thing? Yeah. Yeah.

But he was so particular. I remember one time he was like, we should win about 64 games this season with this team. I was like, what are you talking about? And he had looked at the whole schedule. He goes, well, you guys don't act right when we go to L.A. So I'm going to like he and he wouldn't hang out. But he knew our he knew our fault and he knew he knew our strength. What's the sneaky not act right city?

Because everyone obviously picks L.A. in Miami, Atlanta, Atlanta. OK, yeah, that's what I look out because we're gamblers. Atlanta, Houston, OK, Dallas, OK, Utah, Utah, why some of the prettiest women on the planet on Utah and they trying to get out. What about New York? You're a New York guy. I'm a New York guy. But it was, you know, back in the day, we had to shop. But there's no way to hang out in New York now.

You know what I'm saying? They didn't they Rob and one of the players a little while ago, leaving a strip joint. So he was leaving a strip joint. He got in the Uber, too cheap to have his own car or driver. Well, who says, you know, now they learn. And they pulled and they they got him and they shot him in the leg. I remember that.

So there's no place to hang out. Fuck, who was that? See that the fact that no one remembers it is amazing. DC is also at Philadelphia is a great place to go. But you know, if you go out with a girl, she might have you set up and you know, one and down on those crazy streets. Yeah. So when you come back like in New York, when you would come back and play here as being, you know, like from the area, but you're playing

for a rival team, did the fans, did they respect you in the garden? Did they know the Mecca did not respect you? Literally, I was on a foul line during during the exhibition game my first year and the guy says, Sally, you still a duck? And I started laughing. I backed up. I laughed. I nodded and I got up and I shot.

So I'm not a Nick fan. I was a Celtic fan growing up in Brooklyn. So obviously a lot of people didn't like me or what I thought about. But I had this thing about being a fan of a team that hired the first black coach and one all the time. I didn't like a team that only won two years and everybody acts like 1972-73 is coming back. It's not. They're never going to win.

Yeah. What's what is if you had to describe New York basketball, though, growing up? Because that's I mean, you love the Chris Paul did it the other night when he when he tried to do the God Sham God. And it was like great to see because then everyone was like, Oh, fuck, like that's a style of basketball that play. God Sham got a legend. You know, obviously didn't have the NBA career, but there's something

almost romantic about each city's brand of basketball. Yeah. New York City brand is I played in every single park. Usually I can not every single one. Mostly, I think every park in Manhattan, in Queens and Brooklyn, a lot in the Bronx, but I've never played at the Rucker. And the reason I never played at the Rucker is I wanted to have my career solidified as a pro. And they kept thinking, why not?

Because I remember there's a guy who didn't go to class, who failed out, who literally snored at cocaine and probably was better than everybody in the NBA playing at the Rucker. And I didn't I didn't need to prove it. I just needed to go to college and get into the pros. But I've never played at the Rucker. But I also play I'm from Brooklyn, but I play with the Gouchos and I play with Dipmus All-Stars, Ted Gustavs, Vanguard with Gil Reynolds.

Bonnie Davis, I just talked to Bonnie Davis a few minutes ago. I play with the right coaches in the right places. But in New York, basketball is do or die. And I went in there with a mentality of this is my life. And if you dunk on me, you play better than me, I lose my life. So so who is the guy growing up who maybe played at Rucker, who is just better than everyone who didn't make it to the pros?

Was there one guy who was like, oh, we talk about this guy and he's just incredible, Earl Manago. Yeah, yeah, the goat. And then but let me tell you, the guy in New York that in Brooklyn, Fly Wimps Fly Wimps. Yeah, Fly Wimps going against World Be Free. I saw that I went to see that. I went to see World Be Free, who also was a great Brooklyn player.

My favorite player was Bernard King of all time. His only time I was a Nick fan is watching BK. Only time. So I was going to follow up on that because I thought you were talking about Earl Manago, whose story is amazing. If you haven't read about him, I would suggest they made a movie. Don Cheadle, Don Cheadle played it. Yeah, allegedly, like one of the greatest basketball players to ever walk the earth.

Yeah. Did you ever see him play against NBA players? No, I haven't. I tell you this. And it was another thing, too. When we would see NBA players in Brooklyn, we'd be like, you know, I'm about to give him the business. Right. Nobody was like, hey, man, I'm a fan of yours. You don't do that.

You don't one. I had to tell David Robinson that in college. He came up and said, man, I'm a huge fan of yours. And I was playing them the next day. And I was like, oh, thanks. And I realized he wasn't looking to kill me. He was a fan of mine. So I got him in foul trouble.

And at the end of the game, I said, never tell anybody how much you like him. We got in the pros. He was trying to tear my head off. That's awesome. Yeah. That's a great story. That is. Yeah. I do great stories for free. I'm here for free. Yeah. And check out Sneaker-Rella on Disney Plus.

All right. So I'll go last question. It's been awesome. We appreciate you coming by. I love you guys. Anytime you want to come by, we'd love to have you on. Pardon my take. Yes. That's funny. Yes. And you started this whole thing. I sure did. All of it.

Me and me and the henchmen. And if they tell you back when Gawker, remember when it was Gawker and then I would do spider stories and I would have tons of views. Which in 2011, I didn't know what the hell they were talking about. I would just do it and leave. Realizing I was giving away all this free content. Yeah. You are the Podfather. I am the little Richard of Podfather.

Yes, you are. All right. So the Roback question, R-H-O-B-A-C-K. Use code TAKE for 20% off your first purchase. Q-Zips, hoodies, the best clothes out there, roback.com. OK, Billy, are you ready? You ready, Billy? Got your wits about you. Are you ready to go?

I got my prep. OK. Go ahead. Quick question. You made a couple of dissertations about large herbivores as the example of diet, large muscle mass, those types of things. But you kind of discount that a lot of these herbivores have way different digestive systems and spend most of their day eating vegetation. For example, the lowland gorilla spends about 90% of its day eating different vegetation.

Which ones? Leaves. Leaves. Yeah. Right, and fruit and other and shoots and any type of vegetation in the jungle, in the lowlands. While trying to have children. So I know what you were going to go to.

That's the 10%. I was right. 10% of his time is literally, yeah, he's trying to father and continue to race. Now I know what you're going to talk about the stomachs, right? Cow having four stomachs and they having to. Well, we have one and we take bovine fluid, which is not designed for human body. It's designed for bovine. So when you eat bovine fluid, for you guys that don't know that, called milk.

Well, cow milk, it doesn't digest. So not only in my black ass, not lactose intolerant, none of us are to deal with. Well, ice cream, not cow. No, but some, I mean, some people do continue to have lactose in there. The exact enzyme to break down lactose later. Yes, they do. No, they're late. Those are called pimples.

And so that big white thing that comes on your forehead, that's your body. Literally trying to read yourself. We've totally, we've totally digressed from the actual question. Can I, can I, can I try? There was no question. I'm assuming about mutation. I'm going to run Billy through the translator. So I think what Billy's getting at is that he's saying that, yes, certain animals can

get big and develop muscle mass, but they spend an amount of their day eating these things that we as humans, we don't have 90% of our day to sit around eating leaves. It's inefficient. Most of plant matter is made up of cellulose, which is made from cell walls when we are made up of cell membranes. We can't consume those. Okay. So I got a question within the cell, right within the mitochondria.

How do you clean that? Well, if you eat things that are blocking your body, you literally are slowing down the fan and you're slowing down your cell production. And if we're talking on a cellular level, when you're speaking on a cellular level, you should only eat things cells that can go in your mouth, give you fuel and be removed when you're eating dead caucus, your body. Now, when you go into your stomach, recognizes it as flesh, those are enzyme around it and says, Hey, you're eating yourself or you're eating of yourself when it only

recognizes cells. I forgot to tell you too. I'm almost a doctor, but you know, the question about that, when it takes to show you talking about like high cholesterol and a lot of the oils that go in, that comes out of the food that you're eating, we're not supposed to eat when you eat eggs. That's 100% cholesterol and that's bad LDL. You don't want to eat that. So if you're eating 100% cholesterol on your body, you are now slowing down your

blood content. You're adding so much blockage within your veins and you're causing your heart to beat hard. But doesn't that have more to do with insulin sensitivity, which has to do with muscle mass rather than actual cholesterol levels? No. So when you're taking these cholesterol, I mean, most of your insulin comes from your liver.

So if you're blocking your liver, you now put all the problem or all the added onto your pancreas, which doesn't make anywhere as close to the insulin as your liver does. So if you don't eat things that block your liver, you now will not become diabetic or have this insulin problem. Now back to keep, you know, but seriously to keep your insulin like that ref from the box. No, but keeping your insulin levels, I mean, your insulin sensitivity, a lot of

that is affected by high sugars, seed oils, and a lot of the stuff that you end up consuming is a vegetarian because you try to fill your hunger levels and try to eat stuff that is vegan or vegetarians. And this is a lot of fruit sugars, you know, fructose, sucrose, just because you're searching to get energy from things that will give you energy and end up ruining your insulin sensitivity, lowering your muscle mass, and just all those benefits that you look for through the vegetarian diet. This is this is one way you're looking at it, but this is the true way you're

looking at it. Your body does not want fructose. Your body wants gluteose with gluteose. That is what is helping the mitochondria of yourself. Gluteose. But when you eat a Western diet, they're forcing sugar, which is fructose into your diet. When you eat a hamburger, all that sugar inside the bread, all the sugar inside

the ketchup, all the sugar inside of inside of mustard. When you eat, because your body is designed as a, as, as a herbivore to only. I, I did, I do not believe that humans were originally herbivores. No. Now we've got chimpanzees are probably closest living ancestor. Eat other monkeys. They eat meat. It is well documented.

I think we are actually omnivorous. And that was what created the extra. But did we descend from chimpanzees? Or did we have a common ancestor? I got to answer it. I'm sorry to give you an answer. That was documented to eat meat. No, just to take that.

One of the reasons why our brains grew when other animals did it. Listen, and I'm going to tell you something. If we came from like, remember that guy said, if we're descended from apes, why are there still apes? Because we're not descended from current apes or descended from a common ancestor. Okay. So this is going to get into a deeper thing.

And I want people to do the research. This is not me saying it. This is research. Okay. Sneaker, Ella, Disney plus. Black people have been on the planet for 16 years, 16,000 years. They say the Caucasian has only been on the planet for 6,000 years. We're gentrifying.

Right. Then it came in and took over Brooklyn. Right. So if that is a true statement, right? I got part of this from Dr. Ben Carson and not saying that, but he knows and Dr. Clark. And so when we talk about humans and how the humans are designed, certain

people are designed a certain way. Caucasians come from the Caucasus mountains, supposedly. Now, when I went to Egypt and I studied and I just let you know, I'm just, I'm just going over. So different digestive going to it being you have light hair, light color skin, light eyes, obviously a cave dweller. And it's because, because you had to come from, you couldn't deal with the sun, your hair was elongated.

Your nose was elongated because it was cold to air. Am I correct? This is, yeah. You got it. Oh, my God, I've never seen Billy. You got it right here on your body. Why have you see Africans? There's no hair on our body, on our chest.

So it's a different, it's a different situation. And when you, when, when you're in cold weather and you have to eat what's available is when they grabbed animals. The first thing they did in Africa, if you did it, they did it in Japan too. When they would eat a fish. That's why sushi, they would have a whole fish and have small amounts of it. But when you eat something that boom, that's shut your body down, when you have to go to sleep, it's not just black people got a negroitis.

Or, you know what I'm saying? White folks eat and get sleepy too. And they rubbed it because your body trying to digest something that is not supposed to be in it. It's not giving it fuel. It's shut you down. Make you go to sleep because the body is cleaning and digesting while you rest. I mean, this all makes sense to me because every time I eat a big meal,

I want to go to sleep. Right. And you're lazy. You don't want to walk. Yeah, that's true. Also, yeah, yeah, no, that's guilty, guilty. Let's distill this debate down to something that everyone can understand. What is the greatest food of all time? Oh, the ones that the best thing about we call fast food fruit in the vegan world.

Oh, that's so lame. Have you ever eaten too much fruit? I got excited. It's not because it is. Glutose, no, the definition of fruit. It's a pair of those is sugar from fruit. OK, but this is sugar that your body identifies. The other sugar is literally like a residue of salt.

Like when you get table salt, that's a residue of sea salt. If you take sea salt and I tell people those all the time, I literally would tell you to take a half a teaspoon of Celtic sea salt and put it in your mouth and literally swish it around for five minutes. Then spit that out. And the reason I tell you that is now you have all the minerals that you need from the salt and every time you eat, you will not have a taste. You will not say, hey, this needs salt.

It won't happen. And if you eat the fruit, right, you eat fruit that has the citrus fruit. Certain times you eat a citrus fruit. I think you should eat bananas every day, especially man, it's good for your thing. And I also think that you should eat fruit and vegetables according to seasons that they grow, because that's how your body is going to move. According to the sun and the moon. So you said bananas is the greatest fruit of all time.

The greatest fruit of all time is passion fruit to me. I love passion fruit. But but you understand that corn syrup is fructose. Corn syrup is made as a derivative of what they make in a factory. Anything made in a factory is factory made and that's not it. But anything made in nature organically, not the ones, not the watermelons without seeds, not all, not the GMO situation. You you can eat it.

Look, you you can't tell me that because I watch you same boat run backwards faster than most people run forward. He's a fruit eating gazelle. Is he a vegan? No, he should be because he's Jamaican. They eat ox tail and they eat ox dick. But most of the time they eating they eating green and they're eating like even rosters, right?

Osters don't eat anything that you can't catch in your hand. So for fish, you catch it in your hand. You could eat it. So do you so I don't preach like when you said talking about cheeseburgers and stuff, I don't think that's healthy. Really doesn't preach high protein, like high meat, high protein, just. You know, the keto diet has been proven to cause heart attack, right? I'm saying we all we all had a heart attack.

Yeah, yeah, no, but that depends on your kidney stones. Everyone in this room has kidney stones. Yeah, because of Billy. Yeah. OK, so how do we get rid of kidney stones? This is what I want you guys to do. I want you to drink a liter of water, spring water a day. And I want you to put a teaspoon of baking soda in it. And throughout the day, I want you to drink that.

That is going to help your kidneys, give all the nutrients it want. And we can hopefully eventually push the stones through your body without having to have pain. OK. Well, are you got more? My last point, Billy, you're you're a tap. We started talking about this like a UFC fighter that's been submitted. They're raising the other guy's hand and then really finally waking up. He's got the rematch.

Yeah, I'm good. But I'm 23. Oh, yeah, I have children. A sneaker's older than you. But that doesn't mean anything. I'm glad you're at this point, but I want you to look and I want you to pay attention to literally what you eat should be should go in, give you energy and go out. And when you eat when you eat dead carcass, your body is slowly to move that through your body and it dehydrates you,

which makes it even slower to move through. But what if I'm a John Talley carcass eater? Then your teeth would be sharper and you would eat it raw. If you really, really want to prove that you should eat meat, you should never cook it. Oh, yeah, yeah. Well, if you what you're going to do is get really sick because it's decaying carcass. So the only way they can get around it is to change the DNA by cooking

it more than one hundred and eighteen degrees. I just think that eating a healthy diet with meat, low carb, you know, without like all these processed stuff, seed oils, processed sugars. That's what I'm saying. I'm saying meat isn't really the devil. It's more the process. People that kill sentinel beings thinking that I deserve and I'm above them. Nothing deserves to die. Let me just say this one thing today. I'm going to get this to you.

If remember, I am legend with Will Smith. Great movie. And I am legend too. It's coming out. I want to advertise that movie because Sneaker Ella too. Sneaker Ella is coming out May 13th on Disney Plus. Make sure you check your listings. This is the deal on the 13th. If you had to hunt your food, you'd be a vegetarian. Guaranteed because you would not be able.

One, you wouldn't have a refrigerator. Two, if you kill the big old something, you would have to heavy up and get it before the real predators came and decided that you were going to be a side meal. And if it got to it in one thing, you can't always go and get a kill. You're going to have to eat something. And it was well, I eat beef jerky. I'm not saying I eat vegetation.

Right. But pretty soon, that was all you'd be able to eat. I'm I'm all I'm going to say is I'm going to end this year. Wait, wait, wait, wait, one more thing. One more thing. John Sally definitely has done a lot of research. What? Yeah. I got out of your research. This is all I did. One more thing.

One more thing. I wasn't going to get into like genetics diets. Yeah, don't worry about it. Let me let me give you this one thing I want you to think of. So at one time, black folks were brought to this country and were enslaved. They did not give them meat and look how strong they were. There was no meat. There was they wasn't given no slaves, no steak.

They wasn't giving them no chicken. You better not kill that chicken. They were eating vegetables and look how strong they were. There's no chance Billy's going to have anything to say. It's happening. How about this? So how about if you can accurately predict who the who the NBA finals MVP will be right now, Tatum?

Yeah. Oh, then Billy has to go vegan for a month and try it. I put it to this way. If you go if you do it, my source of vegan, if we can have a conversation and you don't lie, right? Because you'll be lying to yourself. If you I told Madison to Madison thinks I'm crazy on the stuff. I'm trying to push in. But I'm I'm sure if you because I did it the wrong way, too.

I was a junk food vegan and I was a processed food vegan. And it's not the way to be. I would give you things that they're not mentioning to you. Digestive enzymes, systemic enzymes. I would make sure you took a certain amount of herbs. You're 23 years old. I would give you the right amount of herbs, especially ones that clean out your low intestines.

And I guarantee you your cut of your body after dealing with me and your workout. I guarantee you will be like, yeah, and you're not because I'm going to give you a fake cheat day, meaning you get a processed food day, just not a dead animal processed food day. OK, so Billy, Jason Tatum, NBA finals MVP. You have to go vegan with you his way.

I'll drink Coorsley's Coorsley vegan. Yes. All right, there we go. Coorsley will get strength gains. Yes. Yes. I will be able to do that. And you should do more static work out than doing lift. Your body will never push away. So the more static and the more flexibility you get, the stronger you become.

Will I be able to bench press more than I can? He only benches 255. 275. That's same as me. Oh, I know a girl that can do that. No, look behind you. 275. That's that's my hand writing as well. Wow, I guarantee you you. How much do you want?

How about I get 30 pounds on top? I benched over 300 pounds before, but that was now nobody was there. So we don't believe it. It was in college. You can check my we can check my friend. Yeah, my coach has a record. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He also had needles in the back.

Yeah. All right, so that will do it. I'll do it with you, Billy. Jason Tatum, finals MVP. We'll both go vegan. Yes, and we'll be back on. I'll be back here in June for NFT New York. Check out John Sally Crypto Show dot com, which is coming out,

hopefully, in April in June. So I'm just all about crypto. I do kind of what you guys do. But I only talk about what I know and I won't. If I don't know, I say I research that I research. I love it. I love it. Well, everyone, check out Sneaker Ella. Thank you so much, John.

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Let's do a little quick recap of the Steelers draft. How are you feeling? You're wearing all Steelers gear. Yeah. As you do every day. Yeah. Yep. Yep. What do you think about the draft? A minus. A minus. Oh, by the minus. I don't feel like they should have taken two receivers.

Um, so that's my only downfall. But you got to reload weapons. Whoa. Wait, Mitchell, I went home. Does Mitchell need weapons or does Kenny need weapons? Oh, are you guys putting me on the spot right now? Yeah, I mean, that's quite something that was said. I think it's a legitimate question. This is what I'll say.

I show respect to Mitch and his wife from day one. Mitchell just had a kid. Just had a kid. I show respect. I reached out to. Did she ever respond to your DM? I reached out to the wife. I got left. I got left on not even seen. Didn't even care. What percentage of your DMs that you send out,

do you think get responded to? Six percent. Yeah. That seems about right. He actually. It's actually also bad. We were actually just talking to Will Compton, who was who's in the office this week and they were going back and forth and and Jerry's like, yeah, I asked TJ Watt.

I DMed him that when he goes up against Terrell Luan, he's got to bury him. He didn't respond. But when the message was sent, when I saw the DMs that you sent to TJ Watt, like long before you worked here, this is like back in the day, like right after you drafted,

but you started, you started the conversation. The undrafted. I was just wondering like, you probably have like a dialogue running with like 50 percent of the Steelers players. I'd say, yeah, I'd say close to 50 percent. Wait, what's, can you, can you read a couple of the TJ Watt DMs you sent over the years? Yeah. Those were very funny.

That was, it was, it was Mack from Always Sunny and Chase Utley. Yeah, I got him right here. It was a, I mean, how do you want me to go back? Just fire off a few. Read the one where you're like, and I'm a real football fan. Just fire him off.

I said, these are all no responses by the way. Yeah, these are all no responses. This is March 2nd, 2020. TJ, one time I went to his Steelers game against the Jets. I was sitting front row. I had a sign that said, TJ, can you sign my jersey? And you gave me a head nod. Unfortunately, I had a family emergency

right after pre-game and had to leave. Any chance if I pay you, would you be able to do that for me? You're my favorite player. After that, he put up a picture of his food. I said, bully food. And then I just said, March 31st, 2021. TJ, I work for, not going to mention his name from Entourage.

Would you be interested in coming on a podcast for 20, 30 minutes? Nothing. TJ, my name is Gerard, but you can call me Jersey Jerry. Today's my birthday. I would love to make my birthday wish come true if you were able to respond and say happy birthday. What age were you turning?

That was when I was turning 26. Okay. When's your birthday, Jerry? May 11th. May 11th, so yeah. So what was your birthday wish this year? You got it. I got my wish.

What was it? Dinner with Kenny Pickett. Nice. And Big Hat. Well, I mean, you said that a part of me going to dinner was part of your birthday wish. Yeah, of course. Yeah, that's fine.

Yeah, I don't know if I said it here, but Jersey Jerry, Kenny Pickett was at dinner and he just turned to him and it was like, hey, let me give you a little piece of NFL advice. And I thought it was gonna be about, I don't know, like he was gonna say like, hey, you know, make sure you rent, don't own, cause it's a tough league or like study the playbook.

He just said, Friar Muth is always open. That was his advice. Great advice. Can I get that paper quick? No. Thank you. That's a task. This is the one that really sent people over the edge.

I put yo, TJ, I've been trying to reach you, bro, with a question mark. Oh, that got a little hostile. Yeah. Okay, so you, what was the mood that day? You were just like, fuck this guy. No, I was just like, dude, like this is like three years now. I mean, I'm trying,

I'm just trying to build a relationship. You know what I mean? Like, honestly, I consider myself like, and dude, like a lot of the internet and like Twitter and like Instagram, like outside of Pittsburgh, they know me, bro. Like I'm one of the biggest fans. The only thing missing my whole life

was the Pittsburgh roots. I never had that. But you are, you like, I think Steelers fans like your passion. Yes, for sure. Steelers players like your passion. Yes, for sure. But let's now round about way,

go back to the question at hand. Yeah, so, so this is. Or Kenny. Wait, no, no, there was one more. It went like, dear TJ, I wrote you, but still you ain't calling. I left my son, my pager and home phone at the bottom. No, that was because they said that,

they said that because I said, yo, TJ, I've been trying to reach you, bro. You know those are just to reach you, yeah. And they made a whole thing about it, like the Stan, we have an M song. I kind of want to turn those DMs into the song. Yeah. Like get Roan to rap them to the beat.

Yeah. Okay, so Mr. Kenny. This is where I stand, exactly. I'll put it to you very simply. Mitch gets picked up by the Steelers, show respect immediately, follow him, follow the wife, no problem. He DMs his wife immediately, show respect.

DM, show the wife respect, I know you ain't gonna answer. Now, you know, Kenny Pickett followed me. Kenny Pickett's a fan of mine. You showed your respect. Showed me respect from the jump. After dinner, you know what I got? I got a follow from Kenny's fiance. Oh, wow.

A follow. That holds more weight in my book than a message. Right, sure. Agreed. So where I stand right now is simply this, will I roof from Mitch? Yes, I will. Cause he's wearing the jersey.

What do you mean? He's wearing the jersey. The Steelers jersey. Oh, yes. I thought you meant this. I thought you meant this jersey. I thought you meant this jersey, sorry. No, he's not wearing Dwayne Haskins' jersey.

No, but, now that threw me off. But listen, I respect Mitch, I respect Caleb, I respect those guys, but one thing those guys have to understand is, you know, Kenny ain't coming here to take part, Kenny coming here to take over, man. And if Mitch should appreciate that competition,

and let's see who wins the job, man. We'll see who wins the job. And you are, Jerry is, he's seeing Superbowl for Kenny Pickett in his career. He's seeing it. I ain't seeing Superbowl, I'm seeing Superbowls. Oh. So as good as been.

Listen, man, you know, all you guys at Barstool did a good job of, you know, making me realize Big Ben, and I always loved Big Ben, and this year's gonna be really weird for me, because that's all I know. But his time was up a long time ago. Yeah, I'd say so.

So you hung on, but you know, I think he almost did that in respect for guys like you. Yeah, he was a crumb bum at the end. He wanted to stick around. What's a crumb bum, Dan? I mean, he's a crumb bum at the end. I mean, no, they should have won that last game. I think so.

They should have won that last game. They're up seven-nothing. Yeah, well, TJ. Yeah. Would you want Drew Brees if he came back? No, no. No, I mean, he can't throw the ball 10 yards. Yeah, yeah, exactly.

Big Ben's 10 times a quarterback. Listen, I stand with both guys. I don't know if you can do that, though. Who am I rooting for? Who am I rooting for more? Yeah, Mitch. Kenny Pickett. Okay, all right, that's fair.

Kenny Pickett. I mean, you have a relationship with him. Of course, man. Like, we're not only, we're friendly. You know what I mean? Like, we're doing dinners, we're texting. I'm hitting them up after, you know, after OTAs and stuff like that.

We won Game of the Year, we got the, oh, I don't know where the jersey went. We have a jersey, Kenny Pickett signed jersey in here. Wow. So what happens if Kenny Pickett has a bad game? Damn. What do you do at that point? What does it say?

What does it say? PMT. That's nice. Game of the Year, because he won my Game of the Year. That's sick. What do you do, though? What do you do if Kenny Pickett has a bad game? Listen, man, like, you know, I talked to Kenny about that, too.

And I told him, I said, listen, I'll never disrespect you. Out of respect for you showing me love, I'll never bash you, don't pick. It's a bad throw. Wide receiver's fault. Should have thrown it to Fry. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I could always use that excuse.

Pat was open, Kenny. Come on, think, think. Think, remember what Jerry said. All right, let's do some, let's do some blue collar. Bring your lunch pail talk. Hank, get us going. Hey, Jerry, it was always blue collar. Me and my buddy cleaned train stations around Massachusetts.

Anything from homeless man's shits on the ground to tearing down their tents at train stations. Any advice on what to do after a stressful day of work besides slug beers? It was always blue collar. Thanks, chair. Yeah, I mean, I mean, I pretty much, thank you, Eric, for this.

I took a massage, a foot massage out of here. Yeah, oh yeah. Dude, that thing, dude, after work something, like last night I was here for a while. Like I didn't get home until like 11 o'clock. Long day. I went home, I took a shower. Stressful.

I put on the TV and I just put my feet in it and just got him foot massage. You're a foot guy. Well, yeah, I'm a foot guy. Dude, that relaxes the shit out of you. Okay, that's a good one. It's a good thing, just stick your foot into that. Yeah, home addicts.

Yeah, home addicts. When you saw it, you were like, Eric. Yes. Can I please have this? Are you gonna use it? I was like, I'm not. I'm not gonna know. I doubled down.

I doubled down. Remember with the chair? Yeah, I had a full back to the chair. And Jerry's like, I noticed that you had the full back chair. Is there any chance I can get that? I was like, no, I'm giving that to my mom from Mother's Head. Now let me ask you a question, Jerry. When you put your feet in this thing,

does it ever say like your feet aren't in it? Like it doesn't register? Like please put your full feet in? No, Dan. Well, that was a good one. My feet are small. But I don't think seven and a half is not bad. Like people blow that out of proportion.

No, Jerry, they're perfectly normal size. When people say that, it says more about them than it does about you. I defend you because, yeah, like listen, you are as God made you, right? Maybe they cut off youth sizes. Oh, hey, I'm curious. I don't know.

Six. Six, yeah. So you're way above that. Yeah. Am I size and a half above? Have you ever seen a pair of shoes or maybe a little cheaper in the youth size? You're like, I could buy these.

Maybe you're squeezing them. No, no, I can't fit in those. I'm fucking seven and a half, bro. Hey, Jerry, fellow Jersey guy here. I'm running for the delegate position for my union and the election is next month. Oh. I'm up against one guy who most know as a shady fuck.

But he's been politicking parentheses, promising things he can't follow through with, going out of his way to be friendly with guys he's not normally friendly with. It looks like it's going to be a close vote. How do I make sure he doesn't win and prevent my union from turning into bubblegum? Wow.

You guys start to rumor that he fucks pigs. Dude, you blackmail the shit out of him. That's a good one. Just blackmail his ass, bro. What were the politics like when it comes to union nerds? It wasn't like, OK, so the union I was in, it was like our own supervision wasn't in the union. So it was like whatever we say fucking goes, bro.

Like they'll come and say, hey, why is this job taking six hours when it should take three? Well, because it's taking six hours. Oh. Like that's how it works. OK. You want to fucking get underground, go ahead. But you're not.

Right. Like we run the job. We're the ones who pretty much say how long the job's going to take, how many people we need for the job. And they're just there to make sure we work safe. But they get money for like if we don't work a lot of overtime, they get like more money.

And if we don't. So it's a conflict of interest when it comes to you with them. Exactly. Exactly. But yeah, we run the show for sure, 100%. I think politics are politics no matter what. You've got to play dirty. If you're not.

Of course. If you don't play dirty, you're not going to win anything. Oh, of course, 100%. 100%. I mean, we robbed a lot of time, but we fucking, we worked fucking hard. Yeah, right. You deserve that.

Jerry, when you clock out here at Barstool, Jerry's the only person that actually has a time clock that he uses to punch in, punch out. You put in an eight hour day, right? Even when you work for him. Listen, I'll be honest with you. My first couple months, like my first, I could say my first three months, I honestly went home like 230.

My first four months probably. I went home like 230. But these last three months, like I want to build a name for myself. And I want to be around for a long time with Barstool. So I talk to Danny's and like, and Dan doesn't believe this. But hey, you know, one day I want to be big. You know, one day I want to be big.

Do you believe that? I don't think so. No, what I'm always laughing at is when you and Rico sit there and you're like, we're going to take this whole thing over. And I just laugh about the idea of you guys running the whole show. In Billy. In Billy, yeah.

It would be very funny. That's a funny idea. That'd be funny. Yeah. No, no, no, go ahead, go ahead. What time do you leave now? I leave late now, man. Yeah, I leave like four.

No, like six. So you're on the working man's train home? Yeah. A lot of people briefcases. 100%. Yeah, 100%. Oh, you're a white collar now. I know.

Oh, you're a white collar. I didn't want to bring this up, but I feel like I have to now. You performed some minor construction repairs around this office. There were some cement pieces that got dislodged. Yes. That you went ahead. You put down the cement.

You fixed it. Yes. It broke. It broke again. Yeah, well, listen to that. What are we paying for here? To back myself up. Now you've got to pay him again to do it again.

No, I've got to pay you again. Number one, I'm not a Mason. But number two, that's just the union way of doing things. Yeah, you just fix it long enough that you get to come back. Keep coming back to fix it. What's up, honk, big cat, PFT, and text friend of Kenny Pickett? Yeah. I pressure, wash, and detail heavy equipment

down in Plant City, Florida. This includes excavators, back hose, skid steers, front end loaders, et cetera. Have a quick question for Jerry. Can you explain to these boys about how the difference between an early morning dart versus a five o'clock dart interested to hear how sakes hit up north? What's a dart?

I think it's six o'clock. So in your case, it's a vape, yeah. Well, I mean, your first hit of the day is the best of the day, you know? Fuck you if you're getting up early. You know, you get that fucking blood rush to your head, get a little lightheaded. Yeah, but five o'clock's like the first hit

of the rest of your night. Yeah, I don't like that, I don't like that. I'd rather the morning hit. Right, so when you would wake up, what time would you have to wake up? 5.45, 5.40. I don't really like, I have smoked cigarettes in the morning before.

It still feels disgusting to do it. Oh yeah, dude, they're close. It's gotta be afternoon, after your lunch, after a big meal, that's when you can have the first one. Yeah, I mean, I just don't smoke. If I, when I used to smoke cigarettes, I used like the best cigarette was the drive, like get up, brush your teeth, whatever, shower,

get ready, and then you're driving, and then you smoke a cigarette in the car or whatever. Yeah, that's the best cigarette. I can see that one. Yeah, also that guy's got an awesome job. He pressurizes heavy construction equipment. He should honestly make an Instagram account because those videos go viral all the time.

So satisfying, when you see like the stream hit, all the dirt comes off, it looks so clean. That's actually, I bet your son would, that's his dream job, right? Like any two-year-old in America, that's what they wanna do when they grow up. Yes. Hello, suit, Hank.

Honest work. Fighter, pilot, PFT, father of two-cat, and JD Nebraska. Yeah, one day, man. One day, man, yeah. I recently dropped out of college to become a plumber. Good. Currently training with various guys in my company, but every time I have to fix a toilet,

there's always a massive size dump in it that I have to take care of before I can get to fixing the toilet. Am I being hazed by the guys in my company? Is it normal behavior to expect them to treat the new guys like this? Or am I just having extremely bad luck? Dude, I think, no, he's not having bad luck,

that's a setup, but you have to expect that when you're like an apprentice, you know what I mean? I got shit on, I mean, I got shit on till the day I left, but like, I don't know, dude, in the beginning it's tough. Was there a moment when you were leaving where they were like, hey, Jerry? Oh, people cried, bro. Yeah, it'd be like, hey, you know all that shit

we gave you, we actually really like you. Oh, dude. Cause that's my favorite type of nail friendship where you bust balls for so long and then there's that one moment where you're like, I actually love you, man. Yeah, so listen, my stay with the company was for like four and a half years

and like, dude, was I the best worker? Hell no. No, not even close. Not even close. Not even top 100. Did I stay and scam over time every day? Yes. 100%.

But you were working hard. But I was working hard, you know what I mean? Like the first, like two years, the first two years they didn't let me touch anything because they thought I was crazy. Yeah, that's kind of like here. I ain't kind of a little bit. You showed them.

But when I left, there was this guy who always wanted me on his crew, you know? Like when you're a foreman there, you get to, you know, you're kind of pick of who you want. But so he always wanted me on his crew. His name was Hank. And classic boss name. He was an old man.

He was fucking 65, 66 years old and he would just sit on a bucket all day. And the day I left, he was fucking, he was emotional, bro. You know why? Cause like you're a good dude to have on a crew. Cause I'm sure that when it comes to, if you have something that has to be done for the job,

like the job will be completed. Oh, for sure. You'll take care of it. But also, you know how to keep your mouth shut. You know how to kind of like go along. Make sure that everybody's making their money. Dude, I always had, for breakfast, you have corn muffin and a black coffee every day.

I always got him his breakfast. And because, you know, those are the guys who take care of you on your paychecks. You know what I mean? And friggin, you know, up until when I left, he's like, dude, like I worked with that guy for like three years straight. You see those guys more than your family.

You know what I mean? And like, he was so emotional, bro. He's crying. He's like, I looked at you like a son. You know, I can't believe you're going. I say, you know what it is, what it is, you know? Yeah. It's my life now.

So Juan Damien was always meant for big things. Yeah, I missed that guy, I think. I mean, you could call him. Yeah, I could call him. All right, last one, two part question. What is the worst job you've ever done and have you either walked off a job or quit in the middle of the day?

Good question. The worst job I ever had was, I worked for this, I worked for this company like an hour and 20 minutes from my house when I first got home from Arizona. Friggin, I only worked there for like a week. It was like an hour and a half away in Mount Laurel or something like that, New Jersey. I forget.

The guy was like a dickhead though. Like it was a miserable job, but I never walked out of a job. No, I never did. The best job I ever had, I'll say this, the best job I ever had was when I bagged groceries at the Safeway supermarket. I heard you saying that, that you miss,

start days at Barstool, you're like, I wish I was just back at Safeway. Yeah. You traded all to be back at Safeway. I don't think I would trade it all to be back at Safeway, but that was one of the... Why? You know, I just, because I was like,

I feel like that was the start of my whole career. Right, you know. Right, so it's more time and place, not the actual bagging of the groceries, but like where you were. But it was funny because I love like old people's shit. You know what I mean? Like I love like them getting mad

when you put your fucking shit in the wrong bag. They're hilarious to me. Put the heavy stuff at the bottom please. You just fuck with old people. That's why you loved it. Dude, my girlfriend, something happened and she had to go for a checkup. But we went to the emergency room

because she was having pain in her stomach. So we go to this emergency room a couple of miles away from the house and I'm sitting there and this guy walks in in a wheelchair, so a tow truck driver ran over his foot. But this guy walked in, he was like a regular there. So all the people knew him.

Was it like a bar that you're going to? Yeah. I'll take the usual. Yes. All right, couple x-rays. This guy, I got the clip. I gotta send it to you guys. It is hilarious.

It is so funny. This guy's motherfucking the people left and right. I think I saw you put that on Twitter, right? Yes, the characters, yeah. Dude, I love old people like that. So when you were back in grosses, would you secretly judge people for what they were buying? Not really, no.

Not really. I mean, there's some weird people out there, you know? I don't know. I never judge people, though. Yeah. I'm not a judge. This has been great, Jerry. Yeah, it's been fun.

We appreciate it. Numbers, do you want to do numbers? Do you want to guess the number? 28. Eight? Okay. Nine. 25.

Thanks, everyone. Okay, so you're not going to do 10? I'll do eight. I'll do 10. Okay. For Mitch. I'll do three. For nine.

Nine. Oh, we got eight, nine, and 10. And Meme's got four. Oh! Oh, long jam. Look at that long jam. We got to do it again. Oh, no, no.

I've never seen that. That was like four balls, I guess. That doesn't count. It was close to 55. Double nickel. 22. Oh, that's a first timer. I fucking guessed that.

How do you know that? Because I've guessed it so many times. Damn. So we have six, 20, 26, 27, 29, 51, 78, 88. That's it. That's it. Okay, scram. I guess 22 probably more than any other number.

What do you get if you win that? It just literally half the time we get it. I don't know. I couldn't tell you. Yeah, Hank's never gotten it. You get like a moment of excitement and then everybody forgets about it seriously two seconds later.

It's a moment of excitement that everyone's like. Let's not forget when it even pops up that someone else said the number. Yeah, it's a moment of excitement that everyone's like, wait, that was your number? And then the show's over. So that's the show. Love you guys.

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