Pardon My Take - 7X NBA Champion Robert Horry, Coach K Losing His Program And Guys On Chicks

Episode Date: February 17, 2021

Jalen Johnson has opted out and Hank sidetracks us to distract from Coach K losing his empire (2:33 - 19:41). JJ Watt to the Browns? Hot Seat/Cool Throne including Lebron the NFL player and more (19:41 - 39:01). 7 Time NBA Champ Robert Horry joins the show to talk NBA, hitting big shots, Shaq vs Kobe, his favorite coach, and Ruben Patterson the Kobe Stopper (39:01 - 95:22). We finish with guys on chicks.You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/PardonMyTake

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So, Chevy Silverado, thank you. Okay, let's go. Welcome to part of my tape presented by Chevy Silverado. The strongest, most advanced Silverado ever, today is Wednesday, February 17th, and everyone is quitting on Coach K. It's the beginning of the end of the season. I give Coach K- I thought you were saying everyone's quitting on hard-body.

It's been- Mission hard-body. Oh, was that you who tweeted that picture? Yeah. Oh, fuck. Well, first of all, Hank, we tried mixing in salads. We tried getting healthy and nothing bad, nothing good has happened since we ate salads. We started eating salads two weeks ago.

In that time frame, big cats passed a kidney stone, I've passed a kidney stone, I've got like seven more on deck, big cat got coronavirus. You got bronchitis, Jake got potty mouth, Liam is probably gonna get hit by a car again. Billy's back, nothing good's happened. Yeah. So, fuck eating healthy. What are you gonna say, Liam? I locked myself out of my apartment yesterday.

That was probably worse than- And on your way to get a salad, right? I was there to see you, all the cars in New Jersey were like fresh meat, baby, fresh meat on the roadway, kid doesn't have an apartment, gonna mow him down. I'm still here. And with potty mouth, with potty mouth. For charity. You have potty mouth.

For charity. That's the fact. Billy, do you have anything to say for this? You are our doctor. I got a sunburn. Okay. Great, Billy. Billy, Billy, problem is he vacationed too hard.

That's coward. You pulled a coward. Yeah. What? You were outside too much. Yeah. You were too close to the sun. He was strained because he was dropping in off his helicopter, he was doing some copters,

what do you call it? Chopper skiing? What is that? Hella skiing. He was hella skiing. All right, so. Moving on. Moving on.

Dr. Duke. We're brawned. Everyone's quitting on Duke. Hank. Hank. Comet. I'm just curious, how do you get more than one kidney stone at one time? Oh, come on, Hank.

Let's not deflect on this. No, they actually do come in threes. Really? Yeah. I got one, he got two. I have an indetermined amount of kidney stones, I actually have an appointment. I'm running out of names for them. I already got, I got Stony Romo, Stony Syragusa, Kidney Pon Stone, Kid Rock.

I've got a lot lined up, but not enough to deal with all the shit that's going through my system right now. Although some, many people have told me in Big K, you can attest to this, that passing a kidney stone through your kidney into your bladder is actually more painful than childbirth. Yeah, that's true. So, yeah, I know all you award-winning, listening females out there that are giving birth. I feel your pain. It sucks, but you know what, I didn't miss a show.

I don't think the cowboy hat works. Oh, no, I disagree. You have to say it. I have to say it. You liar. I have gotten, I've gotten nothing but rid of these from the cowboy hat. Oh, no way. A bunch of 20-year-olds are like, dude, that's sick.

It looks sick. I don't, I don't know if it works. Jealousy's not a good color on you. No, it's not jealousy. I'm being, again, we had this discussion on Monday. You can't let someone in the crew just change their entire look. He is from Texas. Yeah.

But listen, I've been there. I can, I can- Standing strong. Standing strong with that. This is solidarity with all my friends that don't have energy. You're not even wearing headphones anymore. No, I'm raw-dogging. That's a Texas way.

That is- This is, this is- It ain't my way to wear the pants. What are you doing? That's New York City Slicker stuff. What are you doing? I don't need electronics involved in this. What are you doing?

This is you, me, and Hank sitting down, having a chat. We don't need to bring headphones into this. Jesus Christ. All right. Well, is this gonna, like, are you actually gonna do this? No, I'm probably gonna give it up after a couple years. Okay, all right. Then I, you know what?

I don't say anything else. If you're, if you, at some point in the next, like, two weeks, you come in- I'll quietly give up. No goodbye, no see you later. It's just, there's no cowboy hat anymore. Yeah, I'll ride off into the sunset is what we say in the West. Okay. Then that'll be the last I talk about.

Have you or have you not bought more cowboy hats, because you still have your generic, your generic first one? No, this is very much still me, because this was a free cowboy hat. So this is given to us by the good people at PBR. So I'm gonna wear this one. And I still have my old Texas clothes, which are a lot of pearl snap shirts. You know what? I got my first kidney issue after I started watching a show literally called Yellow Stone.

That's another issue. Yep. Maybe it's not the salad, but no, I'll, like most things, I'll just kind of forget about it. Okay, that's fair. That's totally fair. Yeah. I mean, we're in a weird, it's February where it's like, hey, football's over, March

Madness hasn't started. It's a wayward time. I mean, honestly, like, not biased at all. I look pretty good in this hat. I agree. I pull it off. Thanks, Hank. It's just a weird thing to be, I'm not saying you don't look good.

I'm saying it's weird. It's like when you shave your mustache. But wear your hair. What? Braids. What are we talking about? Really, Nelson? Dying my hair.

You think I shouldn't dye my hair? No, when you come in with your hair dyed, that's the reaction I get. Same as me coming in. You've never had that reaction. Looking like Joe West. No, but like being an all the time cowboy hat guy is a totally different thing. Yeah. You become a different person.

Yeah, that's me. Also, people were saying that you kind of jacked White Sox Dave style. Oh, I've been wearing this cowboy hat for years. Right. But he's the cowboy. He's decal. I'm not the cowboy. I'm Haas.

Okay. Different. Yeah. There it is. Are you high on Percocets? No. I took half way. I took half one early this morning.

Yeah. The PFT Texas. That was another thing. You were like, hey, we should get a stylist. That was a perfect idea. No one responded. So we're just going to rip off queer eye for the straight guy. No, I'm just saying like if we had, if we had a stylist come in and just dress us

up, we would have won it out. That would happen for one video and then we'd go back to normal. Go back to where you stepped in and acting like we're 15 years old. Exactly. That was the entire premise. And to be fair, the text was Percocet idea because I was just getting out of the hospital. Yeah. Not to brag.

I'm not taking this bracelet off for weeks. Oh, so this is like the Cabo look. Yeah, exactly. I mean, Billy, Billy, do you still have party bracelets on? Oh, he doesn't even remember if he does. No. We were totally sidetracking that Duke is the whole entire empire's crumbling. Hank, Coach K has nothing.

He has nothing left. It's it's a COVID year. I mean, people have kidney stones as a do come out of COVID. There's a lot of things going on in the world. And I think this is just a telltale sign. And also people talking about Caroline is also unranked and probably not going to make a tournament either. No one's talking about asking for opponents on Twitter.

Exactly. Yeah, because they say anyone anytime anywhere. Duke won't do that because they canceled the non-conference schedule. Remember that when Coach K did that? No, they still got those home wins in against Copper State and Bellarmine. That was before they came. Yeah, yeah.

And then what I said is they wanted non-conference. I was just saying they got those. It's not smart enough to realize what you're saying, Jake. So he just jumped on. I was they did play non-conference games. They canceled the non-conference schedule. But not because of them not wanting to play non-conference. No, because they saw because they got the wins against Bellarmine and

Copper State right played the record right now. No, he's saying it's worse. Two of those eight wins are Copper State and Bellarmine. Stop saying right. Which proves that they were not afraid to play non-conference games. Stop agreeing with him. Thank you, Jake. He's saying something that's anti-duke.

Very cool. Hank doesn't even remember, but a couple of years ago, this was I think even before the Zion thing, you said that like you would get a cat and Duke didn't make the internal tournament. Absolutely not. You did. You did.

You did. It might not have been on the map. Are you afraid that Norman will impale the cat with his penis? Yeah, probably. I am too, actually. It'd be like a sex doll for Norman. All right. So are you as a Duke alum, are you saying the Jalen Johnson is a quitter?

That's really the line on Twitter. The line on Twitter now is a sports fan. Are you man enough to call a college basketball player a quitter? He is a quitter. However, it's as like a dukey, a diehard Cameron crazy. Runs in my blood. You got your JD and your bachelor's from there. Yep.

And my film degree, everything. If they had a shot, even like a chance, like they're clearly, they're clearly not going to make the tournament. They're terrible this year. If it was like they were like even a bubble team or like close to a bubble team and he quit now, it'd be like, all right, fuck this guy forever. But now it's like he's a top draft. But he probably wouldn't quit if he got injured.

If he got injured playing for a team that's not going to make the tournament like that is really dumb. You know what he did to put it into terms that people can understand? He opted out of the Idaho potato bowl. Right. OK, like I love the Idaho potato bowl, but it's OK if you opt out of the Idaho potato. He opted out of games that would just be meaningful for people that are on their couch betting on those games.

Correct. Games that are not meaningful for anybody else unless you're a big NIT fan, which I guess those exist. But now, Duke, they might even make the NIT. That would be great if they made. What would happen if they went on a run here? What's our theory that when you lose your best player? That would be the Bryce theory.

What was it? The Harper. Was it the Bryce Harper theory? The Harper. Harper thesis. Harper thesis. When you lose your best player, you actually do better as a team. If they made the tournament, do you think you would opt back in?

I don't think you can do that. I think once you sign an agent. Coach K doesn't really follow. If he signs an agent, he can't. But if he's just like chilling and taking classes, I think legally. I'm sure he's definitely taking classes. I do like that the debate is like, is this guy. Take a student athlete all the way.

Is this guy a quitter? Yes, by the definition of the word. He did quit the team. But we have to rephrase it. He's an opt outter. He opted out. I like how now, anytime you quit something, you can just say opt it out. It's way better.

I'm going to opt out of wearing a cowboy hat in a couple days. I have his back simply because I didn't have any chance of going to the tournament. I wouldn't want to be berated by a senile old man and Coach K for the next month and a half. No, not at all. That sounds miserable. Go make your millions, dude. I mean, Coach K, he is going to opt out himself. Also, there is an argument like, oh, well, his teammates might be upset.

Listen, if I were his teammate, I'd be like, dude, that's a good move. Because I hope that you make the NBA and you take me up to a stake. That's exactly what I was going to say. You can't be too upset because it's like that's your chance. Yes. Yes. That's the first thing I think of. Everyone's like, oh, he's quitting on his teammates.

Dude, do you think his teammates are really going to be like, hey, Jalen Johnson, lose my number, bro? Right. No. I bet you Coach K has some weird rule for him. Like when he told Coach K that he was quitting, he was probably like, well, OK, I'm going to need your Duke issued tops, your bottoms, the pen, the notebook that we gave you. All the money that Jeff Cable gave you.

I'm going to need every brown bag that you've touched in the last six months back in my office. No slander for Jeff Cable. None. Why? Recurring gusts of. Benchmark. Yeah. He's a podcast master.

No. Yeah, Jeff Cable. So we got to defend. We'll wait now for the family. Yeah. He was a very nice guy. I don't even know what we're talking about anymore. I love this show.

I'm just a favorite part of my day. I'm just very interested to see how Coach K spends this in the in the book that he's going to write in three years about how this was actually his best season coaching. Getting, you know what? I don't think that they've had have they had any COVID on their team. No, because they cancel the non-conference. Yeah. So Coach K is going to say like,

this is actually his most successful season coaching in his history. He's going to write a book about it and the chapter about Jalen Johnson opting out with coach. Coach K is probably going to say like I advised him to because he's going to go to the NBA, make a lot of money. That's what we want. First and foremost, first is their health. And then secondly, we want them to get paid a lot of money. So I told Jalen Johnson to quit that.

I mean, that would be the cow line. Cow would be all in on this. All right. Any what else? Oh, JJ, what might be a brown? Which that is the that would be the greatest move that he's ever pulled. Oh, I love it. If he goes to the Browns or the Bills, like everybody who's not a fan of their direct

rivals is going to be so happy about that. I think he's got to do the Browns, though, because to play against his brothers. So that's the only thing is like JJ playing twice against his brothers. That seems like a bridge too far. I he loves the spotlight that goes on him when he plays against them once. Like once a year would be perfect. But twice a year, it feels like that's a little he doesn't want to put his parents through that big cat.

Yeah. What did you say? Did you see his Instagram caption, though? What? All gas, no breaks. That's Robert Saleh's line. Salah. It's all north-western. Yeah. Spiros. Yeah. Their strength coach.

Little Jets actually going on. Oh, you think he's just dropping a little. JJ, going to the Jets would be an all time bonehead move. Billy, how's the quarterback comps going? Good. Oh, OK. So you really hard at work. He's he I still think he's going to go to the Titans. The Packers.

What's the timeline like on that thing? Like, what? When can we expect the comps? Yeah, it means a rough. Yeah, like I'm working on Kyle Trask right now. OK. Yeah. So give us one thing about Kyle Trask. He looks like he put it at University of Florida. He's got a sweet goatee.

I'm thinking Kirk Cousins. OK. That's a mid mid level. OK. OK. Tom Brady upside. OK. Tom Brady upside. Kirk Cousins mid level. And then Paxton Lynch has his downsides for every quarterback. Marcus Russell might have a little of that. I do think so.

I was actually thinking about the quarterback situation because I know that your bears have been linked numerous times. First, by part of my take to Carson Wentz. But I feel like Marcus Mariota is the guy that nobody's talking about out there. I think he's still in a contract. Yeah. But I mean, he's going to be. Is he on a contract?

I'm pretty sure. Because that's why I think people are talking about. I think he's available. Like he's been known to be available. Well, no. They just re-signed Peterman, right? I think they want to get rid of their car. I've heard that Mariota is being mentioned in like trade talks or I don't know if it's free agency.

I need to look at his contract. I'm almost. Yeah. No, he signed a two year deal. Because here he's he's. Here's what I would do, though. Here's what I would do, though. If I were the Pittsburgh Steelers, I would trade for Marcus Mariota to sit behind Ben for one year.

I don't think Ben. What is he's coming? He already says coming back. What are you doing, Billy? Well, you're breathing like he's a while. You're just scrolling through. I have a buckled septum. I can't breathe.

OK. Big Ben has said he's coming back. Yeah, he said like right after the season was over. Oh, yeah. But I think there will definitely be a conversation. I mean, that's Big Ben. Yeah, there'll be a conversation. But I mean, what did it make the pan like 40 million dollars? Yeah, but wouldn't it make all the sense in the world

to get Marcus Mariota on the Steelers? But wouldn't you want to just do it in a year when he's a free agent and not have to pay ten million dollars plus forty two million dollars? Probably in an ideal world. Yeah, I'm just thinking that like it would make sense for a lot of reasons for him to go to Pittsburgh. Yeah, I just think that the Steelers are already in like cap hell because of Big Ben.

So adding more salary at the quarterback position would probably not work. I mean, I I. Oh, I mean, I feel like he's he trends on Twitter every other day. Yeah, Big Ben's also negotiating against himself, though, because in addition to saying that he's coming back next year already, he's like gone to the press and been like, I'm going to not take as much in salary next year. I'm waiting for them to come and talk to me.

And then I'm going to like cut my salary in half. So Big Ben's already he's pre-forfeiting. Right. Like half of his salary. And I don't even know if he can. I don't know how much more they can like push off. I don't know. I think this is the end of the line on the Big Ben number. What if they again?

This is what they've all they've been building everything forward. Like, oh, this sucks. This is the Big Ben Championship window. Well, yeah. Yeah. Like this is there. They're I mean, in the salary cab, the NFL is always just like, I feel like you can just make any move and then all of a sudden. Oh, yeah, that money just doesn't exist anymore or push it off.

But I do know that the Steelers are in a pretty bad situation. Yeah. The the JJ Watt free agency thing, though, see it seems a little one sided right now. I want it to be more like remember when Peyton Manning was like taking his pick. He was getting flown to different cities. I want to see these teams making like like new Amazon headquarters type offers to JJ Watt.

Yes. I want to see like cities putting together packages with the key to the city for JJ. Like, wine and dine a little bit. This is the only time that JJ is going to make everything about JJ because he's way too classy and low key and humble of a guy. Yeah. To do something like that. So Big Ben is his this is last year. His cap number is forty one million dollars.

That's significant. That seems pretty high. That's significant. Yeah. That is significant. That's a significant. Yeah, they're thirty million dollars over the cap right now. We really blew it, by the way, when we were talking about cool hat guys by not mentioning Big Ben and the Fedora.

Yes. One of the coolest hats when he looked like a booger. That's actually a textbook. Like this is not a hat guy trying to pull off a hat. A moment. That's that's in the dictionary. Yes. Everyone is like, dude, you can't do this. All right, let's do let's do our hot seat. Cool. Anything else about Duke? Just, you know, anything Duke?

Yeah, I have one other thing. Oh, yeah. That was my hot seat. Duke. Yeah. Oh, do you tell what happened with them? My hot seat was Duke. John Johnson quit the season. Oh, he quit. He quit. You were. Yes, he did quit. OK, so we're it's official.

He has quit on the team. Did he quit on the fans? Yeah, but they're you know, they're not in in stadium this year, so I think the crazy he's not taking away from like the senior senior night or anything. Yeah. OK, good. There's a lot of there's a lot of seniors at Duke that always come out a tradition unlike any other.

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5G ultra wideband available only in parts of select cities. Global claim based on open signal independent analysis. OK. Hank, hot seat. Cool. Throne. I had two hot seats, thankfully, because I'm prepared. Nice. My other one was Larry King's ex-wife. Yeah. What happened? Which one? The seventh one for Larry. Seventh out of nine.

I think seven out of seven. Oh, I think. I thought he hit eight. I think he had seven because Tom Brady has as many rings as his wives do. So he was like, that was actually like almost three full boots. No, that's just a fact. Yeah, I know, but that's no, but that is a rick Riley, because we we discussed it like a week, right? I would say rips rip.

Larry King, his wives have as many rings as Tom. But he's also like that. You got to give Rick Wiley, like at least six months. Yeah. Tom Brady just won his seventh ring. And King just died. Right. He wrote he updated his will on a napkin, basically writing his ex-wife, his most most recent ex-wife out of the will, because she was banging their sons,

literally coach like all the time. How hilarious. So. Totsied her. She kind of she fucked herself. I love Bill Belichick. A lot of money. Just like a napkin. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's actually a great point is like presumably his ex-wife found the cocktail napkin and was and she did the right thing.

She was like she wanted she wanted more to brag that she was fucking her son's third base coach than she wanted the money. So I take my hat off to her. Oh, money, I think Larry King. Did he have a lot of money? He was on TV for a bajillion. But he had seven wives. How old was the last kid?

You like keep losing money every time you get divorced. I'm pretty sure Larry King was the king of prenups. Yeah, like he you learn after your third divorce. So you learn to make that very tight. Yeah, he won. It was probably a spite move, which I respect. Larry King, by the way, if you go back and you watch his interviews, like clips from his interviews in the 80s, 90s, he was the goat.

Yeah, he was a goat. He was the Joe Rogan of his day. My cool throne is I have a couple as well. Pac-Man Jones is back back doing packed things. Got arrested for being in a fight. And happy Gilmore. Yes, 25th anniversary was today of it getting released. Adam Sandler did a video, just a simple cell phone video of him

doing the happy Gilmore swing. Very enjoyable. Brings a smile to your face. Shooting McGavin was chirping on this. Just a beautiful thing to see. It got me scared, though. I'm I'm I'm just going to, you know, pray for the for the purity of the Internet and that he's just doing it to celebrate

the 25th anniversary and not as like a future. Oh, for happy Gilmore, too, because that would that would be happy. Gilmost. Oh, so I think Chaps pointed it out. But if you went to Adam Sandler's Twitter, it's just it's just the obituaries. Every tweet is just RIP. So his Instagram as well. It's in a couple like Bruce Arians. Yeah, yeah.

But like he like Adam Sandler is a type of guy, though. He's not on Twitter. It's like, man, this is sad. I got to share my, you know, condolences. Right. That's the only thing that's worthwhile of him getting out. I know, but it's a big time bummer. Mix in a couple like going to get Chipotle, something like that.

I also find it hard to believe that in 25 years, you haven't done the happy Gilmore swing once he hasn't. No, he said it was like the first time. Got it. Like he hasn't done it in one of his golf often. And he probably doesn't pick a basketball. I think once you get that rich, you have to play golf. Yeah, you probably do. Although he might be so rich, he doesn't have to.

He just owns the course. He just know he just has guys like, hey, we don't play golf. You just have to come and play pick up basketball with me. No, I don't like that. Boner dogs production. Yeah, that's true. Adam. All right.

PFT, your hot seat. Cool. My hot seat is trading cards. Yes. Trading cards on the hot seat. Big time. I know that some people have gotten really into collecting them recently, but they're getting cucked in a major way by a new trend out there. I think it's called NBA Top Shot. I'm trying to learn more about it because it makes no sense for me.

But I'm also certain that there are so many suckers that believe in it that I can make a bunch of money doing it. It's these hologram things. No, they're selling high. They're selling video highlights. Yeah. Yeah. They're selling gifts on the Internet and you can buy a gift online. Somebody just bought.

Spotted me like a thousand dollars. Someone just bought like a nine second video of Zion Williamson blocking a shot and they paid a hundred thousand dollars for it. It's a video you can watch on Twitter right now. It's on the Internet. You can find it on YouTube, but they own that video on this website. And because they use the word blockchain when describing what they're doing, now it's worth money.

I don't know. But they've they figure out a way to monetize gifts. And I think I'm in on it. Yeah, I was going to say I I mean, I own Do's coin. You own Do's coin. I don't I don't think we can point at anyone and be like, how could you do this? Yeah. Yeah, exactly. We own a fake dog coin.

I made a nine hundred percent investment on buying a dog. Yeah, that I don't own. So I'm down for this. Yes. So I'm in. I'm not going to buy it, but I'll support it. But it's it's it's weird to me like getting into the culture because you see that people are like, Wind Horse wrote an article about it today. That's how you know it's really hip.

And people were applying to the tweet, like explaining how they're making money on it. And it's just like the biggest dorks that you could ever imagine. But they know something that I don't know. Yeah. So I feel like it's one of those things that I'd rather just kind of like be bullied into accepting as being the future than try to fight against the windmills and be like, I'll never change. Yeah. I guess gifts are sounds cool to me. Gifts are monetized. Yes. Yes.

My cool throne is fucking at work. Oh, there was a MTA worker that got busted. They were a train conductor and they got they were getting paid over time on the clock and they got busted fucking in the real yard with one of their employees. OK. And I I actually think that if you work a blue color job, especially if you're a train operator, you should be allowed to have sex on the clock. You don't you don't want someone who's dangerously horny to be driving your train. Like you want someone who's mellow, relaxed, has that postnut clarity.

You don't want them getting like turned on when you go into a tunnel. You don't want the vibrations doing weird stuff. You don't want them going fast to impress the babes. So I'm I'm all in favor of blue color workers being afforded a fuck break. You don't even you don't get a cigarette break anymore. Yeah, unless you fuck somebody just before it. So just let people have fuck breaks at work. Yeah, I'm yeah. Why not?

The train conductors are people, too. I feel like that's also something that exists in Asian cultures. OK, I fucking. Yeah, no. Yeah, a lot of fucking. Well, I mean, China has the most people. But just like getting getting nap breaks or getting fuck breaks at work. I feel like a lot of Asian cultures have like hotels that are built into office buildings, nap pods, nap pods.

Exactly. It's like the Ohio State locker room. Everyone went through there and there were the nap eggs. Yeah, that's I mean, everyone needs a nap every now and then. Recharge the battery. You recharge your phone. Might as well recharge your body. All right. My hot seat is so we talked about a car. So once it's still out there, I think he's going to get traded.

I have a bad feeling that Ryan Pace is behind this. I don't know if you've noticed, but like Colin Coward, essentially. Colin Coward, Bart Scott and I think Orlowski all were like, if the bears get Carson Wentz, they're instant Super Bowl contenders, which is not true. Well, Orlowski just loves. Yeah, yeah. But it feels like there's something going on, something's afoot. And I I would like to to stem the tide.

I don't think I can, but it feels like something's afoot here because the bears are not a Super Bowl contender with Carson Wentz. What if you get that? Especially not with like giving up a first round pick for. What if you get that Carson Wentz, though, from 2017? This, I mean, the the other thing is like Eagles fans. I don't understand. They still have such an affinity for him like that.

I I have heard the line. Oh, I'm sorry. Like he'd be the best quarterback in Bears history. Yeah, every quarterback would be. That's not all a bar that we're trying. Like you could you could just name a name. He'd be like, yeah, you'd be the best quarterback in Bears history. I actually understand where Eagles fans are coming from,

because any time you have a quarterback that is like that good for a brief period of time, that's how you choose to remember him by. Yeah, but at this point, it's over. So you should like don't I would divorce myself from those feelings. Right. But it's it's tough to do. Like, I still think that Robert Griffin is going to win a Super Bowl one day, even though I know that's insane. Like a lot of Eagles fans.

No, I have the feelings for color. Because like that thought that memory, those like two, three months exist in the back of your head where you're like, if he could get back to playing that way, then yeah, he'd be legit. But the problem is he hasn't been like that. I think most of them have accepted the fact that he's not going to get back to that point. But if you tell them like, what if he like showed up this off season? He came back for training camp and it was 2017 again.

They instantly like get those feelings. Yeah, he's the best. Yeah. Either way, I think there's some something's afoot. And then my cool throne is LeBron, because he would have been the best two sport athlete of all time, making a NFL roster. I actually believe him. That's not. I don't know why anyone would say like, oh, LeBron couldn't make an NFL team.

No, he absolutely could. Without a doubt. You might go as far as to say like he is the best two sport athlete. He's the best tight end of all. Yes. Just give it. That's actually a respected is. Yeah. Who's better than him? I think I actually go as far as says he's a better tight end than he is a basketball player. He the high school.

He made the right sport for monetary reasons. Yeah, the Sports Center tweeted out like a high high school highlight tape and he wasn't even like scoring touchdowns. It was like he scored. I think he said like in Ohio State, breaking one pass and getting tackled like five yards away. If he wanted to go play football right now, you don't think every team would give him a tryout? Yeah, he'd be Tim Tebow.

He'd just be, you know, they're sell tickets. Yeah, because he was so good. I think LeBron James, we should say he's the best American soccer player. Jake is showing me a clip of LeBron shooting from way too far away, being selfish. That's all I see. Oh, it's an airball. Yeah. Oh, terrible shot. He literally pulled up from half court. I thought he switched it.

He pulled it from half court and airballed it. I do like I think in high school, he was actually listed as six, nine, two, seventy playing wide receiver. So he was actually bigger. He was told that's that actually squares up with the fact that he loses weight and size during. Yes, remember? Yes. How much weight does he know? No, no, no, he he gained weight during one game.

Yeah, which I think was just a sweaty shirt. Yeah, he was wearing a towel. I do think, though, he would have been he would have been a very, very good football player. You don't have to dribble football. Yeah, travel. You aren't that big. What? You're a monster. Yeah. And LeBron's bigger than Gronk.

I know that's what I'm saying. No, he is probably too tall. Right. Yeah, no, that that might be true. All right, Billy, you heard it every day. Hot seat, beef, Bill Gates doesn't want to eat steak and wants to eat synthetic beef. I saw that and someone someone went viral being like. It's not true. The the author was like, it's not really what he said.

No, yeah. So so the recommendation was don't if you eat less than if you eat three steaks a week and you decrease it, you will like greatly help the earth. And then someone was like, who the hell is eating three steaks a week? And I just did the Homer Simpson gift. Like I am for sure. You eat. We all eat three meals with steak in it. Yes. Yes. Three meals a steak and he read any read is that for dinner, right?

Yeah. Don't you? Billy, you do it. Yeah. I mean, this this is just guy talk. Just letting the meat talk. Oh, we like it's I do chicken and then I do steak. And then I go back to chicken pork. Sometimes it's in pork, but it's mostly just steak. True. I've come to think about it. Most of the salads that I've eaten have steak in them.

I when I whatever the opposite of a vegan is, that's what we are. Like I don't remember the last meal I've had non-breakfast that didn't have meat involved. Paleo. Yeah. Always toppings on pepperoni. What are you talking about? Sauce and she got no cheese pizza. OK, verge. What do you say, Billy?

My cool. Yeah, Mardi Gras. Oh, yeah, because it's way too cold this year. Oh, but they also canceled it already. Ah, so you're not missing out on my birds. That was nice. Yeah. But nipples in the cold hit different. Poking eye out. Damn. Jake, what do you have?

Hot seat, cool throne. Um, hot seat is the Baltimore Orioles. So fangraff came out with the playoff projections of percentages. And the Baltimore Orioles have a 0.0 percent chance to make the playoffs. And there's 162 games. 0.0. I mean, how do you have to bet it now? It's incredible.

I'm smashing a bet on this. Yeah, I mean, that just makes no sense. But I guess. Flycaster City. It's us against the world. Yeah, that's right. 0.0, I guess. And then cool throne is Bill's mafia.

We talked about the Australian Open last week, some at length lines. Yeah, developing Serena still in. And so is Jessica Pugula. She's the daughter of the Bill's owners and she's having a Cinderella run right now. She's even in the first set. So it could, she could be done by the time this podcast is out. But yeah, that'll be some story.

And I have a tour versus Serena in the final. It'll be Dolphin's owner versus Bill's owner. AFC. Serena is a Dolphin's owner. Oh, she has some steak. Yeah, got it. I like that, though. I think we have to root for the bills, right? Oh, yeah.

Australia is if Buffalo was a country, it would be Australia. Yeah. So we're all in on Bill's mafia tennis version. What time do they play the Australian? So they're 16 hours ahead of us. So they're just starting right now. It's 2 p.m. Raffa will be on like at 4 a.m.

Got any locks? I'm going to pass on the Australian Open. You got any action for tonight? No. Any locks? I'm going to pass on the Australian Open. Wake me up when Wimbledon starts. All right. Strawberries and cream, baby.

Breakfast at Wimbledon. Raffa doesn't lose. We're still the fourth wheel in Sydney. The king of play, they call him. Yeah, king of play. Yeah, we're going to play the summer again, right? I won't get hurt. Yeah.

Oh, I forgot you got hurt. And then Billy made fun of you for getting hurt. Remember that, Billy? Billy is so stuck up. Billy, are you just reading Instagram comments of a picture of you knocking out Jose? No. What the hell?

That's all I would do with those guys. I hope not. Honestly, how long did you spend like actually doing that, seeing what people were saying about your knockout? I just kind of logged off. Yeah, sure. OK. All right, let's get to our interview.

Why wouldn't, like, what? I don't know. You didn't want to see people being like, fuck yeah? I was just chilling. Just chilling. You're meme, though, Billy. What does it feel like to be a meme? It's kind of crazy.

Yeah, yeah. Well said. T-shirts are coming. Oh, OK. Eventually, three weeks after. Yeah, strike while they aren't hot. All right, before we get to Robert Ory, new sponsor alert from our friends at Noom.

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He's got a podcast that you gotta go listen to right now. It is Robert Ory. His podcast is on podcast one. It's called The Big Shot Bob Pod, which I mean that you almost had to have a podcast because you have that nickname. Is that, let's just start there. Is that the coolest nickname to possibly have

to just be like, yeah, that's Big Shot Bob. He always hits the big shots. You know what's funny? For a long time, I was like, I don't like the nickname. But then I realized, if you get a nickname, that means you made it, right? Yes. So either you can go another way,

but I kind of embraced it as I got on in life. And it's funny because when you meet other athletes, they be like, what's up Big Shot? I'm like, do y'all even know what my real name is? Yeah, that's pretty cool though. Yeah, I read that you prefer Big Shot Rob to Big Shot Bob. Is that true?

No, it was actually my mom. My mom didn't want me to be called Bob. I don't care. I think Bob sounds better. But if my mom didn't want me to be called Bob because that's what called my dad. And so she's like, you need your own identity. Say Big Shot Rob.

I'm like, I don't really like Rob. So I did it as a joke. And then next thing you know, everybody's like, what's up Big Shot Rob? I'm like, I kind of like Bob. The background that you're on right now, for those listening, it's the ultimate flex. You've got seven pictures of yourself.

And I'm assuming that those are from seven different title teams, right? Yes. The funny part is I put it on my Zoom and I don't know how to take it down. So it's not a bad backdrop. So yeah, it's a significant moment in each championship. And that represents the seven rings, yes.

So another thing that would that be, I assume is great about the podcast is when you have guests on, you always have more rings than them. Unless you have Bill Russell, right? Like that's the only one that you can't have on and be like, listen, as a seven ring holder. So do you flex on your podcast guests when you have them on? No, I don't flex, man.

Because the pitch is in the backdrop. So that kind of flexed for me, like you said. But it's weird that if you have Bill Russell, it would be an honor to have him on my podcast because think about it, do 11 championships, man. You know how hard that is. I think he won 11, 13 years or whatever it was. It's hard.

I only won seven and 16. So it doesn't compare to his legacy. Do you ever put all the rings on at once? I did it once. I had some friends, I had, I'm really good friends with Antonio MacDyce. And after we beat them in the playoffs, in 2005 when he was with the Pistons,

he kind of came over for my birthday. And I kind of had him on, just messing with him. But I rarely put him on. I haven't seen him in about three or four years because they're in a safe deposit box. So talking about today's NBA, and we're going to talk about your career as well, because I have a bunch of questions for that as well.

But the idea of peeking too early as a team. So right now Utah Jazz are like on fire. Absolutely on fire. You were part of seven championship teams. You know what it takes to have a championship pedigree in that mix. Is there from our side, cause we're dumb sports fans that usually have bad takes,

but we will say, oh yeah, they're peeking too early. Is that, is that a real thing? Like is that, can you feel it when you're on a team? Like, hey, we have enough to do it when it counts. Don't worry about February and March here. You know, peeking too early is, I don't know where it came from. Let's say if this was the Los Angeles Lakers on this run,

would they say they're peeking too early? You know, what they say with the Bulls back in the day, or go to state wars and we don't know, are they peeking too early? No, it's just a team playing good basketball. That's what it's about. Because now they put in a situation every night where it's do or die.

What I mean by that is teams now want to beat you because you have the best record in basketball. It's not when you're like four or five in the road and it's all we got to go to Utah. We just going to phone it in the night. But no, they want to beat Utah. They want to, and if they have a streak, they want to show them that they're not that good

because every NBA guy has pride. Every NBA guy wants to have that one notch in their belt, so to say, when they go out and beat a team that's the best in the West. And think about it, they're the best in the West when you got the Clippers, you got the Lakers, and you got Denver, and you got all these good teams, but they're on top of the world right now.

And you played for some great coaches, honestly. I mean, when you think about coaches that are able to keep their teams locked in over the course of season, Phil Jackson and Pop come to mind as like one in one A. I assume that they had different methods of making sure that their team was going to be locked in because the NBA season can get really long.

It's shorter this year, but it can be a long grind. What was the difference between those two guys in terms of how they kept the locker room loose, how they kept people focused in over the course of that long season? Think about coaches, when you have a good team, you can just sit back and let the team take care of themselves. And you have great leaders.

You think about when we were in LA, Phil had great leaders that B. Shaw, myself, and Rick who kind of ran that team to keep Shaq and Kobe in line. So you have guys like that on your team that are strong-minded, strong-willed. People always think because you make the most money, you score all the points that you're the leader of a team. It's not always the case like that.

It's the guys that doing all the scoring points we respect because we've been in the league a while. I had one champ, it's just B. Shaw had been in the league. He played for a lot of great teams, a lot of great coaches. So we earn the respect of the players. So when you have guys like that, the coaches usually go to those guys, hey, get them in line.

It's not the big dogs because the big dogs are usually too busy doing commercials, doing this kind of stuff, you know. But for us, back then, Plano Lakers, Plano Spurs, you had coaches that treated everybody the same. And that's another key because, you know, you could yell at Kobe, and you go on the end and yell at Devin Brown.

And then you go and pop, you can yell at Tim, then go on the end of the bench and yell at me. It didn't really matter because we know what was at stake. And when you have coaches that can respect the players and put the honors on the players to take over the team, they can pretty much sit back and say, you know, drive me to a championship. So PFT mentions pop and Phil Jackson,

but you're on the record saying Rudy T was your best coach. Why was he, you know, better than those two guys in your mind? I say it was my favorite coach. Favorite coach, yeah. Because on a selfish reason, he ran plays for me and the other two didn't, so. That's fair, yeah.

But no, because it boils down to, I love it for me personally. I can only say when you ask someone, your favorite is my favorite, you know, I might like hamburgers, you might like hot dogs. So for me, my favorite was Rudy, because I love it when a coach comes to you and asks you what's the feel of the game,

what you see out there. And then when you get in the huddle, he looks at the guy and say, okay, what are we gonna run? That's just a personal thing for me, because I know what Phil is like, oh, we're gonna run this, this, and this. With pop, we're gonna run this, and this. And when a coach gets a feel from a team,

like, you know, what do you wanna run? You know, when I was with the Rockers nine times out of 10, it was like, hey, run 15 for dreaming. Everybody goes, fight up and get out of the way. So, and you have to, for me, as a player, even when I was coaching my son's AAU team, we're getting the huddle, and I said, yo, guys, what y'all wanna run?

I remember the first time I did that, it looked at me like, you the coach? I said, no, I said, you guys gotta feel, what are you comfortable with? What do you wanna run? And they was like, well, let's do this. And after that, they were coming to me like, hey, yo, coach, I can hear them talking,

they can't stop this play. Coach, I hear them talking, they have them troubled with this. And as a player, you relay that message to the coach, and it's up to the coach to take the information and put it out. They're not saying that Field and Pop didn't do that, but Rudy did it more often than those two. Yeah, the guy that you would alternate

winning titles with Steve Kerr, I feel like he does a pretty good job of that with having Draymond as like his dog on the team. You know, like he's got the Splash Brothers, he had KD, but when it came time to like really crack some skulls, he'd like, you know, tell Draymond to go mix something up. And that would be the guy that kept everybody else in check.

What did that look like for you if Phil was like, hey, Robert, we need to make sure that Shaq is in line this week. Would he tell you to like, just, I don't know, say like a snide, like smart ass comment to him in the huddle, or would he tell you like throw an elbow into Shaq, see what he does? No, he'll be impressed that we need to get in line.

Shaq, you need to make it free to those. He would say things, if he was a type person, he didn't give a shit about anything. He'd just say what he wanted to say, you know, think about it, he called Sacramento Cowbell Town right before we played in the playoffs, and everybody in the arena had cowbells, and we couldn't even hear him cope.

So that was the best, you know, best game we ever had, because we just ran what we wanted to run. So, but, you know, he would come out and say stuff like, you know, we're not rebounding and look at Shaq like, okay, you know, we're not doing this. And then look at Kobe, you know, and it was things that he would say. And then myself, Rick or B. Shaw or Derek

would pull him to the side like, dude, we need to work on this. I said, I know you're trying to do this, but this is our goal. You know, we would have, you know, this day and age, people always have team meetings. We wouldn't have a team meeting. We'd just sit in the locker room after practice,

and be like, there's no need for a team meeting. I'm like, we didn't hit anyway. So let's just, you know, talk about it. We're on the bus. Let's talk about it. We had breakfast. Let's talk about it. Communication was the key to every team I was on.

We talked about what we needed to do. We talked about our faults, and we weren't afraid to tell each person on the team that they're slacking in a certain area and they need to get better. Or, you know, even if you come down to a person, you know, not showing up on time, you know, it's about respecting the process and respecting the team.

I like what you said right there, because the second you have to call something, a player's only meeting, you've already lost. It's like, if you're in a marriage, you don't say, oh, we should go to counseling this week. That should be like your ongoing conversation. Should be like just having good communication. So that's interesting.

You know, like, yeah, if you're, if you have really good team chemistry, your season is one big meeting with your guys and everything should be on the table like all the time. Our team meeting is, hey, let's go to dinner. And if we got a couple of days between the next game, have a couple of drinks and talk about it. You know, it's just what it was.

And I always wanna hear these guys say, oh, we had a team meeting. In my mind, team meetings are for losers, because right now you flounder in the wind, you get ready to point some fingers and people's feelings get hurt in team meetings. And you just talk about it and you're doing it on a constant basis.

You get used to it. So feelings don't get hurt. You know, I'm not gonna say they don't always get hurt. Sometimes, you know, people get feeling, but you know, it's for the benefit of the team. It's not about you, it's about we. And that's what a lot of times when you have guys who don't really care about the big dogs,

you know, I laugh a lot of times, these guys are looking at the big dogs when they make a mistake. They're scared of them. They won't say anything because they're afraid of being traded or something. I'm like, dude, you think I really care about being traded?

Long as my paycheck deal comes on the 1st of the 15th, you can trade me. You know, you just gonna be losing an exclusive asset. So, and I think a lot of guys just have to think like that and just voice their opinion, no matter if you're the top dog or you're the last dog. Long as that opinion is effective. So speaking of that and speaking of Draymond,

I assume you saw his comments last night. You've been in a couple of interesting situations. You almost got traded to Detroit right before the Rockets won their two titles and then it went back because of failed physical. And you also got traded to Phoenix when Charles Barkley went to Houston and you were in a situation that you didn't like.

I actually was listening to a podcast coming into work today. You talking about how Danny Ainge basically admitted that he hated the Rockets and like you guys got off on a bad foot right away when he was in Phoenix. But what did you make of Draymond's comments about like player empowerment

and having a say in being traded and the imbalance that you see sometimes when it comes to owner versus player? Well, you know, the sports is always evolving and getting better and better. Draymond Green comments were right on point because it's so funny how teams get mad at players when they ask for a trade,

but when a team says, okay, we're gonna bench you because we're trying to trade you, it doesn't make sense. And in this day and age, if you're not happy with the situation, you know, as a team come together, I know players sometimes should keep it in house and I feel like they should,

but when a team comes out like that, that's wrong. You want a player to keep it in house, you should keep it in house. And at the end of the day, it's a business. And we always talk about tampering in the NBA. And if a team just says, okay, we're putting Blake Griffin on the shift, who wants him? To me, that's tampering.

You know, you're throwing that into the masses. Why can't you make a phone call to a GM and say, hey, I'm gonna suggest this. But when a player says, oh, you know, I wanna be traded or I wouldn't mind playing with this guy. You know, I would have loved to play with Spreewell on a team, you know, get that Bama connection again. So, but you can't say that

because you have that friendship, that bond, when you both was grinding and try to get to the NBA, it's a strong connection there. So guys just have to be careful in what they say. And it's not fair, but it's the nature of the business and you have to deal with it. What about in a situation like James Harden, where, you know, he signs a deal,

they build the team around him. And then he, I think he admitted that he came in not in the best shape, wasn't really trying. Some of the last days in the Rockets, you know, it was, it was visible. Yeah, it was hilarious and visible. But that seems like, you know, I don't, I don't really know what the solution is there

because he said he wanted to get traded, but he also, the Rockets have built something around him. So, I don't know that that's a weird situation to me. That feels different than a drum and or a Blake Griffin. Yeah, every scenario was different. And in, in, in James way, I think, you know, I love James as a player. I think he handled it wrong because when a team,

an organization does everything, you know, you asked for this and give you that. You asked for that, we gave you that. And now you asked for a trade. You, you have already have a great relationship with that team. Go to them and say, hey, you know, I'm, I'm gonna come in and do my best for you,

but I would like to have a trade. And these are my teams. And, and even, and you think about it, if I was the owner, there's no way in heck, I'm trading you to where you want to go. You know, there's no way. And for them to actually still bend over backwards for this guy and send to where he wants to go,

shows you what kind of art, how much love they have for him. Even with the GM that did everything for him was now in Philly. Right. So I just, I just feel like the way that city embraced dream, embraced him, they embraced him better than embrace dream and better than embrace Mario, Ellie,

Kenny Smith, everybody who won a championship, T-Mac, they put, they love and heart and soul in this guy because he was James Harden. And he did a lot for the organization, but he didn't bring a championship there. And so when you don't bring a championship there, you should respectfully go to the organization that's done everything for you and do it quietly.

You know, in AD case, when he was in New Orleans, I figured, hell, you, you, you are benched in me, not me benched myself. I won out. Right, right. You know, every scenario is different. Yeah. No, it's true. We, we talk about the clutch gene a lot on this podcast.

We're big believers in having the clutch gene. I think you exemplify whatever the clutch gene is to you, like, what's it like? Are you in the zone when you hit those last shots, like at the end of the game in a big moment? What is it like? Walk me through the brain of, of Robert Ori when you get, you know, a kick out or like a tip out ball,

game five against the Sacramento Kings. What's going through your head when you're hitting that shot? So the scenario is when you, it starts on the bench, when they call a play, and it's not for me, but I'm the second option. So I know it's for me. And I don't know if that makes sense because every team knows your plays,

every team cuts off your first option. So for me, it's a confidence builder that I know the players coming to me. And the fact that I know my teammates believe in me, all I'm saying is, yo, it's like taking a walk in the park. Don't think about it, catch, shoot, hold it, release, you know, all that kind of stuff. So I don't really think, man, you know,

and I know it sounds weird, but every time the ball comes to me and I, I'm more comfortable in that situation because I know I have to take the shot. Usually you get a pass and it's like, you know, 10 seconds on the shot clock, you're always looking for that other option. I'm looking for a shot, I'm looking for Tim,

I'm looking for Dream, I'm looking for Kobe, I'm looking for Clyde, you're looking for all these different people. But when it comes down to that last second shot, you gotta think about nobody but yourself. And so when that shot comes, I'm not thinking, I'm inverting back to those days when I was a man in high school,

when I was the man in college, I'm taking a J. So I literally think about nothing because it's just playing basketball. And it's just like, you know, getting up in the morning, like I always say, and walking to the bathroom, you don't think about going left, right, left, you just do it. And that's what I do.

I just do it. What about one of my favorite big shot Bob moments was actually a dunk that left-handed dunk in the finals against the Pistons, Spurs Pistons. That one had to, you thought about that one. I mean, that one was different. That one was, you went left-handed and won. Who did you dunk on?

Was it Tayshon? Rip Hamilton. Oh, it was Rip Hamilton. Yeah, that one was like significant. That was not, you know, just shooting, playing in the, like you, you did that and there was malice behind that. Well, I wanted to shoot the ball, but Bruce Bourne threw the ball

and my ankles were allows the defense to get out there. And it's weird because, you know, people do so many things when they play basketball where they don't think, it just comes natural. And for me, I got into that moment. And if you watch me in layups, I practice that all the time. I practice taking off and trying to get to the rim

and dunking the ball. I know I'm right-handed, but I broke my thumb in college. So I really come palm the ball that well. So I always dunk left-handed because I can really grip it. And so for me, at that moment, I just just get to the hole and I just started taking off. I thought I took off too far out, which I almost did. Yeah.

And it was one of my favorite dunks of all time because it was on somebody. It was in the finals. And it was doing a key moment in game five where I was just lighting them up from outside. So it's good. If you look closely. Is that there?

Yeah. You can see the ghosting, that one. Yeah. You can actually see it. It's called ghosting. And you can see me dunking on. Hell yeah, what's ghosting? Explain that to us.

I mean, we know what it is, but our listeners might not know. Well, ghosting is where they likely put a like, it looks like a ghost and it looks a slight painting in the back of a drawing. But if you look close enough, you'd be like, oh, is that? Yeah. So the last three pitches all have ghost moments in it. So that's sick.

I like that. What about? Yeah, he has shooting a three over Chris Webber game four. I dunk and that's me holding up seven championships. That's crazy. So the opposite of clutch, you were on the court for Nick Anderson. Well, what did you think I was going to say?

Did you think I was going to say that? I thought you were going to talk about my last shot as a Laker. Oh, yeah. Well, you did have. I do wonder like you had a couple shots that you missed the big shots. Was that that must have been like, what the hell just happened? Dude, you go back and look at the film and look at my face.

When I missed that shot against San Antonio, and I put it was up three, two going home. And I missed that shot. I've never been that dejected since high school. And it was, and you should have seen me talk to myself. If they'd have had a camera on it, it would have been like, dang this dude got big ego. Because I literally said, I don't miss this shit.

But I don't miss this shit. And I missed it. I was so pissed off. I don't think you made a three in that series, not to bring up bad moments. You didn't make a three in that series, correct? I didn't make a three all playoffs if you really want to bring up bad moments.

I think I was 338. I just, you know, and crazy part about that is I had an awful playoff series from three and the Lakers thought I was washed up. So that's one of the reasons they got rid of me. They said, oh, but I'm like, do you realize that this is, I've won five championships at this moment. I played more playoff games than anybody on our team together.

And my body just was tired. I went back and looked steady to film. My jump shots were probably like an inch too short because I didn't have the legs. If so many things, I remember one time it was funny, Rick Fox failed right next to me. I was so tired, I just looked down at him and kept walking. And I was literally tired because also in that season,

I went up from 23 minutes a game to 30 minutes a game. I know people said seven minutes is nothing. Seven minutes is a lot of minutes in the NBA when you only used to play in 23 minutes a game to 24 minutes a game. So it took me beyond what my body could do. And I needed a break. Yeah, so wait.

So the Nick Anderson though, that, how bad did you feel? Cause that's one of those moments where you didn't at all. Even a little bit like, holy shit, is this guy okay? Because that's what I'm talking about, you know? But still, like that is the opposite. I actually will, I'll count that for you. He probably saw a big shot, Bob. And you know, you weren't all the way big shot, Bob, yet.

But still, like that is the absolute opposite of big shot, Bob missing those free throws. Yeah, we, you know, we always talk about the sprinkler got tight on that one. And for him, he missed four free throws. And if you look at his career, his career was never the same. I think it was just, you know, and I love Nick

as I used to love watching him in Illinois. I love watching him play. He was one of those dynamic guards. I remember when MJ came back that year, he locked up MJ. You know, it was, he did some fantastic things. And then all of a sudden, missing those four free throws in the row and allowing us to win game one in their building.

I think it hurt him because every guy knows that confidence is the most important thing when it comes to playing a sport or doing anything. You got to have that confidence. And if you don't have that confidence, it's, you're out, you should, you're gone. And he was like, was he like an 88% free throw shooter or something like that?

It's, I think God Twitter didn't exist for that. That's one of those moments that he would have been roasted forever. Yeah. Do you think, do you honestly think like Big Shot Bob standing next to Big Brick Nick on the foul stripe? You think that he like, he felt that presence. He was like, I can't live up to this guy.

You know, I think realizing with the role that we were on as with the Houston Rock is being in their building, playing them that close. You know, it was a lot of pressure. Now we stepping up there and he missed it too. But when he gets to rebound, he's like, oh crap, I'm doing it again.

There's a lot of thinking going on in that process. And of course you got Clyde Drexler talking trash to him. You got Kenny Smith talking trash to him. And then Horace with the goggles on, just looking at him like, dude, come on, you need to make these, you know, so. Eyes look bigger, yeah. It was a lot of pressure on him.

Yeah. I think actually your most clutch play that you've ever had, it wasn't a shot. It wasn't a dunk. It was against the suns. When you hip check, yeah, you hip check Steve Nash flip the entire series. Like you did a great job of hip checking him,

sent him into like the scores table, basically. But then in the aftermath of that, that worked out so much better than you could have ever planned. That Stottemire comes off the bench. I think Roger Bell came off the bench. Roger Bell on the court. It was down.

Yeah, you gave Roger Bell a little elbow in the face. Yeah. So it was, who else came off the bench then? I remember Stottemire run out there. Eow, is it did? Yeah. Of course, Eow, yeah. Of course, Eow.

Right when you saw them come onto the court during the fight, how long did it take to sink in? That's probably the best play that I've ever made. You know what's weird? Some of the Phoenix Suns fans actually said I planned that. I'm like, damn, I'm a smart basketball player, but I ain't that damn smart. No, I can't predict what some guys are gonna do.

And for me, I didn't want them guys to get suspended because it didn't really affect the game by stepping on the court. And I know people look at me and say, no, because you want to win. Everybody said, well, if they want to get suspended, this would have happened. This one has, you know, and I look back,

I can say this now because I can't get fined. If you look at how Steve Nash got treated in that series and how they was loving him and giving him every freaking call, that was one of the reasons why I was so frustrated when I went over there because they gave Steve Nash every call. I'm like, are you serious right now?

I'm like, it was so frustrating when you can clearly see that the calls aren't equal. And no people are gonna say, stop hating. I said, no, but you know. I think what people are gonna say is I think they're like, Kings fans are gonna hear that clip and be like, are you fucking serious right now? But here's the thing, Kings fans don't realize in game six,

they got all the calls. They got some calls where baby traveled, they got some calls where they went out of bounds and they got the ball back. So the Kings fans have no right to say anything. I don't know. You know, they won't talk about the files because you can go back and look at the files.

You know, all the files were, maybe one or two that was questionable, but for the most part, don't be mad because Flotty started messing up down the stretch. Chris, where we didn't want to shoot the ball down the stretch. So we can't control that. The real estate had no control over that. Tim Donaghy was the ref.

Yeah, he was in the Southern series too. He was. So actually, let's talk about that shot. I alluded to it earlier, the one against the Kings. That one, I got so mad at you after you hit that shot because I was with some friends, we had bet, I don't know, probably like five bucks or something stupid on the game.

Cause I was in high school at the time, but I was so mad at you because you're six foot 10. That's the last shot of the game. They're driving to the basket to make that shot. You should be crashing the boards. What were you doing standing outside the three point line? Just hoping a miraculous tip-out would come to you. We go, I'm a walking through the play.

The player's called, what the fuck? No lie. And I'm inbound the ball and I suppose it's set a pick on Kobe and Kobe's supposed to come off. If my defender went with him, he's supposed to kick it back. And so he had the lane to get to the, you know, to the rep. He missed it and it came off.

So I'm still out there because I know Kobe has hit me so many times at the last moment. So I'm just standing out there waiting on the ball. And it was no need. And also you guys think about, I'm supposed to be the man that gets back on that plate. So I'm thinking about that, even though I'm like, okay. And then I'm also thinking they might tip it out

because if they can't get the rebound, you tip it out. It's too crowded anyway. It's seven foot is in there. So I'm not that chilling waiting. So all these scenarios are going through my head and people say, well, why are you out? That's an even fish was outside the three point line. Nobody talks about him hanging out there.

But in the crazy part of it, it was a perfect tip-out. It hit me exactly where I love it. And, you know, I raised up and knocked it down. And I tell people all the time, we would have never been in that situation to feel with a ransom place for me because I was hot that game. And I already just made two threes from the corner,

but I had no plays man for me. So it was, you know, it was one of those moments, you know, that kind of solidified me being six big shot boxer. It was a great moment. I was doing it in the Laker uniform, man, on their floor. Yeah, it's perfect that it's called what the fuck because that's exactly what I said.

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And now here's more Robert Ory. So speaking of Lakers, the Shaq Kobe like beef, how tense was it at times? Was it awkward for you guys in the locker room? I read part of the book, the Jeff Perlman book. And Kobe obviously, like maybe all time competitor next to like Michael Jordan in terms of how serious he was and how serious he took it.

Did they, was it overblown by the media or was it real that there was tension all the time? I haven't read his book, so I have no clue what he said. I'll tell you one funny story. There was one story that you were drinking a beer and it was Kobe's rookie year, I wanna say. And he came up to you and was like, why are you drinking?

We have a game tomorrow. And you were like, I'll be fine. Don't worry about it. You said that to me? Yeah, Kobe said that to you. No, no. Okay. That is such, I always laugh at people who write stories

and that wasn't really there. I'm not gonna call his name up. I remember a guy talking about, we had this thing where we do this with Kobe. We wouldn't pass in the ball. And someone else was telling that story and they weren't even on the team. I'm like, why are you telling that story?

You don't even know the background of that. If it's true or not, you're going by hearsay. Let one of us tell the story. Right. But the thing about, Kobe was a rookie at 18. They took the beer out of the locker room because he was 18. So nobody was ever in the locker room drinking a beer.

And Kobe got his seriousness from us, from B. Shaw, myself and Rick because we came to practice to play and we came hard. You know, and everybody, think about it. His mama mentality came when Rick, D. Fish, well, D. Fish, me, the guys who were workhorses after we left, he learned from us. And so his mama mentality wasn't doing the three P.

It wasn't doing that. It was after that, where he got these knuckleheads with him that didn't know how to play. Yeah. And then they come to practice and see. Swish Parker. And see now, yeah. So now he had to have his mentality.

So back to what you were saying is like, it was weird because we would be in practice. They were on the same team. They would compete. You know, the second team would kick their ass. Kobe getting mad. Went to talk to the second team for a while. But there was never, I never saw any beef

with Kobe and Shaq on the court, even when it was on separate teams or in the locker room. Because when we done with practice, everybody goes to the locker room. We sit down, we ice our knees. We sit there, we shoot shit. Right. And that's when you know, when some guys come in

and you be like, oh, I ain't messing with that guy. He said this about me. It never happened. And I never saw it. And I tell people all the time, if I don't like you, it's some guys I've played with and I won championship with at the end of the game. I ain't hugging your ass when we win a championship.

I avoid you because I'm not gonna give you any fake love. Why is it that every time we won a championship that those two guys were the first to hug? I don't understand it, but it is what it is. And maybe I was blind to it. I can only speak for myself, but I'd never saw any beef. I never saw it in the locker room. I never saw it on the practice court.

I never saw it on the bus. I never saw it on the plane. So I can't even, you know, I know y'all probably say, he just don't want to give us the juicy stuff, but I put that on everything. I never saw it. No, I mean, it's fair that the media, you're basically saying the media overblows stuff, no way.

They do that. We do that all the time. We always do that. That's my job. It's way worse now than it ever was. I mean, imagine if it was today, we pick apart every move, whether it be social media or on the court

and like every mood and look. I mean, I want to bring it up, but like you throwing a towel at Danny Ainge. Could you imagine how, that would lead every show on ESPN. You know what I mean? Because that type of stuff gets picked apart. People will be like Robert Ory, bad teammate, bad guy.

Like that's, and I've heard you tell the story, but you, that was a bad place and time for you in Phoenix. Right? You know, the thing about it is people don't understand, I'd never liked Danny Ainge because Mario Ella is one of my best friends. And for you to point blank range and throw the ball and hit Mario in the face with it,

just because you're getting your ass kicked is just, that's just really unsportsmanlike. And for him, and when we first got there, I remember it like it was just him, myself and Sam were walking down the hallway and he says, yeah, I did that shit on purpose. And me and Sam looking at him like, dude, are you really just going to tell us that?

You know, you realize Mario, and at that moment, I never liked him. And I didn't respect him then. And then Cotton got arrested. So he was a coach and then he quit on us. And then, you know, Danny took over. I'm like, me and Danny had already had beef because it's, I'm going to tell this story.

We in Chicago and we're trying to run the triangle like Chicago. I think we get beat by 30 points. It's like 130 to 100 or something. And so we have practice in Chicago the next day. And we're talking about, you talk about this, she's like, oh, my offense needs to do this. Our offense needs to do that.

And I was like, yo, excuse me. We always talking about offense. Our defense suck. We need to work. And then Danny, the A's had the audacity to say I was the worst defender on the Phoenix Suns. We talking about Kevin Johnson. We talking about Wesley Person.

We talking about Danny Manning. And I'm not going to talk ill about Wayman Tisdale, but he was on the team. Think about this. This was a team of non-defendants. You talking about me, who had 100 steals, 100 blocks, 100 threes, the first guy to do that. And you tell me I'm the worst defender on the team.

So I go off on him, right? I just tell him, oh, I said, dude, are you serious right now? And I pointed Wesley Person. I said, you say I'm the worst defender. This dude can't go out of damn snail. And so, and two days later, he becomes the coach. And then I'm starting it at this time.

He benches me. And on top of that, it's my first time back in Houston. Yeah. And I didn't get to start. You know how guys are. We don't want to say. But you want to feel that love from the fans. So he benches me in Houston.

And after that, it was downhill from there. And it was just a bad moment. So as soon as he became the head coach, I should have just, at that time guys didn't use it. Unless she was a top tier guy, you don't go ask for a trade. You kind of just deal with it. I should have just went with myself

and went to the organization. Yo, I can't play for this man. I want out. You know, I don't like him. He don't like me. They made me out of this situation. But I'm glad I did what I did because it sent me to the Lakers.

Yeah, yeah. Do you wish that you had thrown something like, you wish you had thrown something heavier at him? No, because then I might have been caught up on charges. And I did it in Boston, where he's loved by the masses there. So no. Maybe a soup.

Maybe you throw soup at him next time. Cedric Sabales was on a jet ski or something and missed like a, like, you have to admit there are moments in your career. I'm sure you've seen, like, looked at him and been like, all right, I won seven rings. I also had some pretty, pretty good things go my way in terms of luck.

Like Cedric Sabales being on a jet ski, screwing up his contract in the Lakers, and then you get traded. He went to go party in Lake Havasu. Yeah, that's right. That's the truth I haven't found about Lake Havasu. And I'm like, thank you. Think about it.

You know, Sean, Ellie, I love him as a person. Felt his physical. Then this happened. And then, you know. Tim Donagie refs your series against the Kings. And then you hit check, Steve Nash. Yes. So, you know, I am a master plan.

I plan all of these. I'm not planning at all. Yes. I mean, you're in the right place at the right time all the time. Are you just a lucky guy in general? You know, God has blessed me with a lot of talent and a lot of smarts and a lot of luck.

And I think about it, I never lost in high school. I won a lot in college. Well, I'm going to say I never lost. I won a lot in high school. I won a lot in college. I never was a loser. And when I got to Phoenix and we started a season of 0 and 13, I didn't know how to handle that because I don't lose.

You know, even when I guarantee you, we play cars with dominoes, right? And I'm going to kick your ass because I don't lose. And I just have that rabbit's foot built in. And so it was hard in that situation. And it's hard sometimes to not sit back and think that. I also think about, since God blessed me with a lot of talents, he did put some obstacles in my way,

referring to my daughter and her passing, that as lucky as I was on the court, I wasn't so lucky off the court. So I think things happen for a reason. And you just have to step up to the plate and grab and seize the moment. I'm also a big believer in making your own luck. If it happens, if you get lucky on the court one time,

that can be explained away by luck sometimes. But if it happens repeatedly, it's a lot of little things that you've done over the course of a really long period of time that all add up to make those small percentages turn into bigger percentages when you see them on the biggest stage. I think that's what we see with you.

I did see, I just looked up. I just love the quote, by the way, of I'm not a loser. I'm not a loser. And being like, yeah, you're not a loser. Correct. You can confidently say, I am not a loser. We're going to have our sports busy guy fact check that you're not a loser.

Because a lot of people could be like, I'm not a loser. But yeah, you are, dude. You can say I'm not a loser. Seven times, I'm being a champion. I'm being all rookie team. OK, not a loser. But I have some pencils that were made for me because I had a pro.

And I said, winners don't take no shit. Yep. And because I was talking about moments in the basketball where you know, winners don't take no shit. And so obviously, I get a package. And there's a bunch of pencils that say winners don't take no shit. And so my son tried to take one to school.

Like, are you crazy? He was only like seven years old at the time. Yeah. So you have to be in the right moment. And winners don't take no shit. Yeah. I think Sean Connery said that in The Rock, too, in the cage. I'm pretty sure that was the line, the dialogue there.

Yeah, well, it's awesome to talk to you, man. I think that's about it for me. No, I had a couple more questions real quick. So who did you give more shit to? Ty Loo when he got stepped over? Or Tim Duncan when he showed up to the arena every day dressed like Tim Duncan? Ty Loo, he was just on my podcast.

And we talked about that. And everybody thought he got crossed over. I'm like, he says he don't care because that stepover made him famous. So I laughed by that. But you got to think about Tim Duncan. This is a dude at one time who was top three moneymakers in the NBA.

And he dressed like he was straight out the trailer part. I'm like, come on, Tim. I would mess with him all the time. I was like, dude, bag of jeans. I said, I come on that. I said, you can spend your money on clothes. You don't have to spend it on video games and cars. You can buy a suit.

And think about this dude. I don't even think this dude owns a suit, man. And we always talk about people who have every dime they ever made in the NBA. This dude probably has every dime because he damn filled him spending on clothes. He didn't spend it on jewelry. He didn't spend it on, he might spend it on cars.

But other than that, the head dude has been no money, especially on clothes. He probably have a closet. Probably the biggest shoe box with three outfits in it. Yeah. I feel like it's all the same shirt. It's all Coles or Sam's clothes. Yeah, the black and white striped shirt from Caldor

that he got for 15% off. I guarantee that's why he stopped coaching because that one black jacket that he had probably fell apart. I did like his jeans, though. He was a legend of the flat front. He ironed his big jeans, too. They weren't even properly baggy. They were just straight down the front.

Yes. I wear a baggy zip, snap, and drop. I did want to ask you, actually, that big cap brought it up, about that Spurs team. Because they were a fascinating team at the time. They brought you on. They had Tim Duncan. I think it was Genobley's second year.

Tony Parker was getting into the mix then. It was one of the first international teams. What was that like? You think that there was actually a benefit to having a bunch of players that might not have spoke English as their first language, only being able to communicate the important stuff with each other and not communicating

like all the rest of the bullshit? Well, trust me, those guys spoke really good English. And I think for us, it allowed Pop to just have plays. He was just hand signals. And the bad thing about that, he would do a hand signal. And if you're taking the ball out, your back is to him sometimes, so you miss it. And I remember one play, we're in the heat of the moment,

and Manu's bringing the ball up. I'm like, what's the call? And he starts speaking Spanish. I looked, I'm like, yo, what's the call? Like, dude, I don't speak Spanish. So you have those moments where those guys be back to their first language. But Manu, a phenomenal player, excellent player.

Tony was one of those players who took him a while to understand his speed. Your speed is going to be who you are and relish it, because he tried to do things that he wasn't good at. I'm like, no, you score more points in the paint than anybody in NBA for like four years. Even Shaq and Garnett and all these guys, Tony were getting the paint and shooting his teardrop.

So I said, do what you do best. And because everybody started trying to shoot threes. I'm like, dude, that ain't you. You got Genobi for that. You got Turkle for that. You got me for that. Do what you do. Get to the middle of the paint, shoot your teardrop.

You don't kick it out. And those guys were just phenomenal players. And I think what made them good is because they started at such a young age playing against professionals. I think that's the thing that's probably going to help a lot of these guys in the G League, that now they're starting to stay going straight to being professionals at such a young age.

But the only thing that differs in the foreign players, that they go to school for that. You go to school for three, four hours, and then they go to basketball for 10 hours. And so they learn a game against men. They're protecting the game. And that's why you see so many international players, when they come into the NBA, they're ready.

Because they've been playing against grown men since they was 12. Yeah, it's a good point. It's a very good point. And it's also changed a lot, I think, to the international guys. It used to be they were all soft, or that was the tag. And it's changed a lot, I think, like you said.

A lot of guys, look at Luca. Luca was playing at the highest level in Europe. And then he comes over ready to go. Well, let's be real here. If these guys would have came in during my era, they'd still be soft. Because it was a different era where guys were, you know, you weren't running over to the monitor,

because some guys say, I got hit and hit. Oh, we got to see if this is a flagrant one or a flagrant two. You know, if you get hit upside down, it's just about playing basketball. Some things are done maliciously, and some things aren't. And I hate every time something happens, they run over to that monitor to check it out. It's basketball.

Guys expect not to get hit now. And it makes me so mad now when you see these guys, they're always like, I got hit and hit. Look at the video. I'm like, dude, it's basketball. You're going to get hit. You know, it's like cover the Lakers. I watched Montrez.

Montrez, he never complains. He gets hit and hit twice a game, and he just plays. So he is the type of guy that'll be able to play in our league. But these other guys, every time they get hit, they want a flavor. I'm like, really, dude, stop it. Just play basketball and enjoy the moment. Yeah, and sometimes guys do do it to a detriment where they're looking for contact.

They don't finish a play. It's like they're looking for the foul before like, get the end one. You can finish the, you know, play through contact and then hope you get a foul call. It's so weird because now I watch basketball. You know how these guys lunge into players that jump now? Yep. That was all charges when we played

because it wasn't your natural shooting motion. Yeah. And we talk about the high scoring in NBA. I want to see if they stop calling that call. What would the score be? Because now we want the game to be moving. Speed up. This slows the game down because every time a guy jumps,

you jump into him, you get the call. I'm like, come on, Al. Let's talk. Let's take that out the game because to me, I like the way the game is played now, but I don't like that part where you can jump in there and a guy lunges into you and you get the call. So it would never change though.

Isn't Chris Paul like the head of the players union? Like, I mean, that's, that's like his favorite move. He would never let it happen. That's the rules committee. He has nothing to do with that. So, you know, just like back in the day when NBA had this crazy idea to change the basketball because Peter people was all, you can't use leather and all this kind of stuff.

Oh, I remember that. Yeah. This terrible basketball. Yes. All you had to do was spin it really hard. It would stick to the backboard and drop in. So I'm like, really? Come on, man, we can't do this.

Yeah, Unders. I bet Unders that year because everything sucked. Every, you guys did it for like what? Like it was, it wasn't even a couple of months. It was like a 30 or 40 games and you're like, this is crazy. This basketball, it was so sticky. You could, you could see how sticky it was. How, I mean, that, that.

You can jump on somebody in a minute because you can grip it as easy as possible. You can grip with your right hand. Um, they need to have like Adam Silver's done a great job. I think in most facets, moving the game forward, but they need a guy like Robert Ori on the rules committee, like an old school guy, the last of the hard to be like, we can't, we can't let this get two out of hand.

Let's keep some of the toughness in basketball. Is there a guy out there that you watch and you're like, that's a guy that like a baby, a baby Bob that you see out there. You're like, that dude reminds me of me when I got into the league. Well, you know, it's weird because I look at Kuzma. Same high, you know, he can, he's a little bit more athletic than I was.

I, I think I jumped higher than him, but he, as far as handling the rock, I was the type of person like, dude, handling the rock, taking too much energy out of me. I don't want to do that. I just want to come off the screen, shoot, spot up, shoot, drive, do this, two, three dribbles, dunk on somebody. So I look at Kuz and where he plays and, um, I, I, I, that's the only person that's out there that I really, you know,

look at and think that, that reminds me of me because everybody else is, you know, they're just three point shooters. They're not dunkers and who's a dunk on you? Yeah. All right. My last question. So you played, I mean, you're, you're basically a walking history book for the NBA. You played in so many key, uh, series, so many great championship teams.

You played with, I, I mean, off the top of my head, Kobe Shaq, Tim Duncan, and Hakim are probably four out of the top 25 guys in NBA history. Who is the most unstoppable guy you played with? Play with. Yeah. Unstoppable Shaq by far. Okay. I was hoping you were going to say Hakim just because I loved the dream shake.

I love watching him do that. I'm going to pick somebody on my team. I'm taking dream. You are. Okay. Yeah. But when you say unstoppable, yeah, but when Shaq got in shape, think about the year he won MVP, he was unstoppable.

And it wasn't like today where you might have, you know, four centers in the league. He had a bunch of centers that they weren't just skinny centers like they are, they were guys with some girth, you know, you know, you think about Vladi, you think about, um, Greg Oster-Tang, yeah, all those guys, those guys were there with bodies to try to, and he just, you know, dominate him. I think some of the time when he used to dunk onto Kim Bay, I'm like, oh, you know, and I was like, that 2000, 1999, 2000 Shaq was probably the most dominant player ever in the NBA because he was in shape.

He had no injuries and he was scared of field. And so he wanted to win a championship. It's, it is crazy to think about like when you go through some of his game logs, when he had those stretches where he'd be like 40 and 20 every night in the playoffs too. Wait, what do you mean he was scared of Phil? What was, how was he scared of Phil? You know, you know, when you get a new coach, you try to impress him.

So you come in and shake. So I mean, he was, all of us, it was weird. That's the first time I've seen a team where everybody was in shape when they came into the season. You know, sometimes you'd be right down the borderline, you know, two or three more days, you're in shape, but you look across the board, you know, Kobe had put on 15 pounds, all muscle. Shaq was in shape.

I was in shape. I had put on 10 pounds of muscle. It was just everybody was just in shape and ready for that season. So yeah, Shaq was usually a big, I'm going to play my way into shape over the course of the first couple of months. What was, what do you think the heaviest Shaq was when you played with him? I think it had been my last season when he missed the beginning of the season because, uh, with his toe problem.

He had surgery on his toe right before the beginning of the season. And he was out like two months. And, and so Shaq, I think he put on about 15 to 20 pounds. And I think for me, I look at his body from that moment on. It was never, it was never the same because I don't think he was able to get to that elite status again because of injuries and things of that nature. So that toe messed him up from being, you know, a dominant force for 67 more years.

I'm looking at it right now. It's so stupid to look at in that finals, in that finals against the, the Pacers, 43 in, in 19, 40 and 24, 33 and 13, 36 and 21, like every night. Um, I, this actually just reminded me though of, of one last question. Uh, my, one of the funniest random things that I just remember from watching the NBA as a kid, Ruben Patterson claiming that he was the Kobe stopper. That was the dumbest thing I've ever seen. I remember, I can, I can actually visualize it.

NBA on NBC, they're coming in. Ruben Patterson's got his, his feet in an ice bucket and everyone in the Portland Trailblazers locker rooms, like Kobe stopper, Kobe stopper. Do you, were you guys like, is this guy fucking for real? You know, the crazy part about that is Ruben, you used to play for us. You used to try to guard Kobe in practice. You couldn't guard him in practice. And when he went going hard, you think you can maybe guard him in a game?

Are you serious right now? You know, Ruben had a big ego. When Ruben came in as a rookie, he thought he should have been starting. He didn't, you know, rookie's always supposed to do stuff like bring your doughnuts or bring you coffee or bring your paper. You know, I know people are like, what's the paper? But he's supposed to do these things. So, you know, Ruben had that ego and that attitude.

Like, yo, I'm from Cincinnati. I'm this bad guy. I can do this. So he never did what he was supposed to do with a rookie. So one night in Sacramento, we said, okay, we're going to show you what rookies, how rookies get treated. We got a bunch of electric, a bunch of athletic tape, taped him up, put him on a luggage cart, put him on the elevator and hit all the buttons.

And so we just left him there. So that is the Ruben stop of story. Like, you don't want to respect those vets. Here you go. We got something for it. And I think the funniest part is I felt bad. This little lady, you know, she was about to get on the elevator and she saw him like this. Oh, like tied up.

And she's like, oh, it's scared. And we're like, we're sorry, man. Let's take joke, you know, and she got all scared. So, you know, that's one night in Sacramento. Yeah. That guy and that guy called himself the Kobe stopper. I just, yeah, he had a lot. He had a lot of confidence to call himself the Kobe stopper.

I imagine that piss Kobe off. All right. Well, Robert, this has been awesome, man. We really appreciate it. Everyone go listen to Robert's podcast, big shot, Bob pod. Anytime we'd love to have you back on, man. I'm sure we like just scratch the surface. Yeah.

With stories. It was a pleasure, man. You know, I think y'all, you know, probably my podcast. The good thing is I got Mark Cuban on tomorrow. So, you know, he's always a blast. So, yeah, friend of ours. Yeah. Yeah.

We've had him on a bunch of times. He's going to know how good he is. He's going to run for president. Yes. Hey, I asked him about that. So, yeah, listening. Mark loves saying that he's not going to run for president. There's nothing that Mark loves more than being asked to run for president.

Yes. When you have that much money, you can run for whatever you want to run for. Yep. Yes. Yes. Well, thank you so much, Robert. Really appreciate it, man. Take care, man.

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Yeah, Sunday. Yeah, it was President's Day yesterday. President's Day was yesterday. Two days ago. What? Oh yeah, two days ago. Oh, Lunar New Year. We talked about that a lot.

Yep. Now we're just naming holidays. It's my old neighbor's birthday was on President's Day. Fuck yeah. I feel like... Shout out. Yeah. I feel like...

Shout out Billy Tibbets. No. I don't know when his birthday is. I wish he was actually, I'm happy he's not my neighbor. I don't even know where I lived. Uh, every time I tell my boyfriend that I love him, he just squints into the distance like George Costanza. Do you think this is the end of our relationship?

It's not good. You might be deaf. It's saying to the other ear. Yeah. Well, I think that was a sign filled episode too. Yeah, right. It is. Yeah, if he's never said I love you back,

then yeah, I think it's probably a good sign that you aren't meant to be. That's so weird to... How do you not reflexively just be like, I love you back? Yeah, you just gotta lie. Yeah. I love you so much. That's why I came so fast. I want to spend more time with my boyfriend,

but he always gets mad when I ask him about rules. He always gets mad when I ask him rules about sports. Should I just cheat on him? Oh, okay. Those do not pass go. Go directly to like what? There's no middle ground in this. Like he gets mad when you ask him rules about sports.

So suck his friend's dicks. Yeah, I actually... I actually don't see another way. Now that I'm saying it, like you should... Okay, if we're going to be totally fair here, you should at least tell him like, hey, next time I ask about off sides, try not to be a condescending asshole about it. Otherwise, I'm sucking Billy's dick. I think that's totally fair.

If you give him a heads up, he can't be mad about it. Correct. Like guys operate on actions and consequences. Also, maybe send Hank your boyfriend's name and address so we can become friends of them. Okay. Sup boys, I'm a flight attendant after being off most of 2020. I'm going back to work. I have to do training this weekend in Dallas.

My boyfriend says that he wants to come with so we can golf. It's been nonstop snowing here. He can fly for free because I listed him on my plan. I'm worried because he said there's a strip club in Dallas that was his absolute favorite. Jaguars. If I bring him, should I be concerned that he's just going to be in a strip club for two days? Let me tell you, they have the best breakfast buffet in the world. When people say like, I go to a strip club for a breakfast buffet, like I've been to Jaguars

four or five times strictly because their waffles and eggs are that good. All right. This is the line I didn't say. I'm worried because he said there's a strip club in Dallas that it was absolute favorite. He loves strip clubs because of the buffets that are such a deal. Yep. I actually was at, I don't know, I didn't mind. You were going to get yourself in trouble.

This is the one in Jacksonville. Well, I'm a dictator. There's a lot of places and went to a lot of strip clubs. We've been to strip clubs in Dallas. Yeah. But this kid that we were with was like trying to film him. The stripper took his phone through to cross the room. It was a funny scene.

But that was in Jacksonville, not Dallas. I'd still laugh. Just to clarify. You know, it didn't mean anything. Well, I was trying to remember where it was. That was in Dallas. Super relatable. To clarify, that wasn't like two years ago when we went to Jacksonville, right?

No, this was 2016. Way back. I think every guy should get one. Actually, 2015. I think every guy should get one favorite strip club in the country. Just be like, this is my number one. If I ever find myself here, I got to go. Mine's in West Virginia, the place we went after.

I won my fight. Southern charm. Yeah. Southern X. Southern X. Mine's probably cruising chubbies. Okay. In Wisconsin Dells.

I'm going to go with two minis in Waco, Texas. Yeah. In Gary and Gary. No. Landy. Oh, I thought you were talking about the Austin one. The one from Varsity Blues. Is it a franchise?

It's the actual one in Varsity Blues that they land next to. Only noobs would say spearman Rhino. Why doesn't water go up my VJJ when I take a bath? I don't know. I don't know. I should. Boyancy. Suction.

Because then you wouldn't float. Your pussy lips are too small. He pushes it back. Yeah. I actually don't know how you, if I would assume a woman would just drink all the bathwater with her pussy lips. I think it's, yeah, like it's a straw. That's science, right? Look, if you just took in like a deep breath with your pussy lips, it should suck up some water, right?

If you reverse queef from there. I think if you queef. What do you mean? Yeah, it's a queef. If you queef. Queef is a burp. That's a fart. No, it's a burp.

That's a vagina fart. Let me spit it on you. What if you go into water? What if you're in a bathtub and you fart? How come water doesn't go up your butthole? I think it does. Does it? I think water goes in your pee hole.

Just not a lot because it's a pee hole. Yeah, it's like a straw. And you never know if you pee it out eventually. Right, exactly. You just, yeah, reverse it. What's up? Playing UNO with bathwater. Every time a chick goes in the water, they fuck.

Yes. You're fucking Poseidon. Uh-huh. That's why you can't get pregnant in a hot tub. True, true. What's up, Pussies? My boyfriend got me a car for Valentine's Day. I got him nothing.

What should I get him as a great late gift? Wait, a car or a car? A car. A car. Okay, this is an all-time makeup scenario that you're in right now. Like, I thought we were getting each other anything big. Yeah, also, like, now, if this is true, which I don't think it is true, but if it is true, she is allowed to call us Pussies because she alphaed a car.

She got a truck for Valentine's Day from her, not even from her husband, from her boyfriend. She's like Roadhead. Yeah. Honestly, like, that, you can get a girl anything for any occasion whatsoever, and she's like, I got you a blowjob, and the guy's gonna be like, sweet. Oh, free back scratch. That's exactly what, like, my best case scenario was.

Hey, hello, big cat slash short king. Hope all is well. I'm in a long-distance relationship in college, and would like to play a prank on my boy. I could think of no two better individuals to hear ideas for this from. Looking forward to hearing what you guys think, smiley face. This is definitely a girl because she said boyf, and used a little smiley face. With a Y?

B-O-Y-F. Yeah, she wants to know how to prank her long-distance boyfriend. Boyf. Boyf, sorry. I mean, a great prank is always if you have an identical twin, have that person cheat on the guy and let him see, and then be like, psych, that's my twin. Tell your boyfriend that you're pregnant.

That's a good prank, too. But wait for nine months since you've seen him. Uh-huh. So that's really good. Tell him you're pregnant, have him fly to you, and then be like, have the sign at the airport, be like, just kidding. I just missed you so much. Yeah.

Propose to him. Yeah, just kidding. I'm not pregnant, but will you marry me? And then that's a prank, too. And then give him a blow job, and he'll be like, okay, that was a good prank. Yeah, then he'll probably shoot your car. He'd actually be like, yeah, that's the best prank that anyone's ever gotten me with ever.

All right, last one. I've been dating my boyfriend for about a year now, and I've been starting to notice something strange. Every time we have sex and he's about to come, his voice gets super high-pitched and he starts talking super fast. The best thing I can compare it to is Jar Jar Binks. Do I say something or just let it go? Billy, give us a reenactment so we can get in the mindset here.

Come on, give us a reenactment. High voice, really fast, Jar Jar Binks. Oh, I'm about to go. Oh, I'm about to ejaculate. Oh, I'm about to go. He's just so horny. I'm honestly, I don't even know, I don't care about this question. I'm just still thinking about the pussy drinking bath water.

It's international waters. Whatever happens on either side, five seconds either way of an orgasm does not count towards a permanent record. You should just know, but honestly, just accidentally do a voice record on your phone and then play it back and he'll be like, wait, that's what I said. Because everyone hates the sound of their own voice period.

Everyone really hates the sound of their cum voice, so get them that way. What if you just played the copycat game in bed? So you just repeated back to him everything that he said. That would probably annoy him enough where he wouldn't do that anymore. Billy, do you have a, I'm going to Google it. He may be a candidate for an exorcism. Can a vagina drink bath water? Gina drink bath water.

Here we go, boys. Oh, I don't want this. No. 13 daily ways you're damaging your vagina. Yeah. Are yeast infections contagious? What happens if you suck in water through your vagina? Okay, this one I'm going to ask.

I'm going to hit this one. This sounds like a Gwyneth Paltrow website. That is not really feasibly anatomically. Well, that's this guy. No. So it's not really a hole. Yeah, what the hell? If it was a hole, then water would be able to fill it.

Yeah, what? This is, it will probably just leak out like period blood. I'm going to ask, jeez. That was written by a dude. Although I can't imagine doing it regularly as healthy and I have no idea how you would do that. Okay. Like what if you waterpile yourself?

Yeah. Yeah. Okay. All right. What are the numbers? Eight. Six. Fifteen.

Ninety-nine. Eighty-three. Zebras run towards grass fires because they can't outrun this. Sixty-eight. Bring back sixty-nine and fucking asshole, Billy. No. Wait, Billy. Yes.

Do you say that Zebras run towards the sound of emergency? No. Zebras run towards grass fires because they know they can run through them and get to the other side that's burnt out because they can't outrun the fire. Oh. Very much.

Why wouldn't they be able to? The fire's coming. Why wouldn't they be able to outrun the fire? Because it's fast. Fire's faster than a horse? Dude. What? Look it up.

There's actually no chance. I was watching. Is fast man versus beast. Let's see. A fire's faster than a horse? Grass fire. Zebra horse? Let's see.

Is fire faster? A zebra's a horse? Than a horse. Isn't there like a Disney movie about it? Donkey Zebra. Running like the... Dude, there's videos of zebras running, jumping into the fire, and over the other side.

So you saw it once. Doesn't mean they all do it. And maybe they were just pyros. Just like the Marines commercial? Maybe they just fucking, they're low fire. When other animals run away. Oh, thank you. Yo.

Yo, is that the... What are you googling over there? It is pretty badass. You have headphones on. I dispute your fact. And you don't have anything to back it up. It's... Besides, you saw a video.

He's not talking to the mic, and Hank's gonna kill him. A zebra can run as fast as 40 miles per hour. And how fast can fire burn? Fire, you can't because it burns the whole savannah. So they're like, oh, jump to the burnt side that isn't on fire. So we don't have to just run away from this fire the whole time. Isn't it still hot where the fire just burned them? Yeah, but if you jump through, it's like putting your hand through a handle.

But on the other side, where you land. Training exercise is probably still hot. But the savannah is pretty big. In order to become a fully grown... Anywhere, in any direction, except the fire. So zebras are stupid. Zebras are morons. Slash pyros.

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