Pardon My Take - Adrian Wojnarowski, PGA Championship W/ Shane Bacon, Jokic Is The Best Player Alive + Guys On Chicks

Episode Date: May 15, 2024

Nikola Jokic is the best player in the world as the Nuggets take a 3-2 lead in the series (00:00:00-00:09:58). Jalen Brunson does it again and the Knicks kill the Pacers (00:09:58-00:22:40). We talk Celtics/Cavs, the Thunder growing up and Hockey (00:22:40-00:34:30). Hot Seat/Cool Throne including our friend Jared Goff getting paid, the portal not working and the Jets having a week 1 MNF game (00:34:30-01:07:01). NBA Insider Adrian Wojnarowski joins the show to talk about his career, the upcoming draft, who will take the Lakers job and the famous Rico Bosco tweet (01:07:01-02:05:59). Shane Bacon joins the show to preview the PGA Championship from Kentucky and who he thinks will win the second major of the year (02:05:59-02:30:10). We finish the show with guys on Chicks (02:30:10-02:41:24).You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/PardonMyTake

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DK Horse app. Today is Wednesday, May 15th and PFT. I am so happy that I'm alive, that I am blessed to be able to do a sports podcast while Nicole Jokic is playing basketball because holy shit, he is the best. Did he empty the bag tonight? It felt like the clip is gone. He did everything in the paint. I don't know what he finished at, but through three quarters,

he was seven for seven when he was matched up one on one with Rudy Gobert. Yeah. He was just dominating, but not just the crazy shot making and like all the pivots and the hook shots and the up and unders he was doing, the passing out of the lane. He made Rudy Gobert look foolish tonight. The Timberwolves actually, they look better at times defensively with Gobert on the bench. It might go back to what we were talking about before the series started. I think we talked about it with maybe with Kirk Goldsberry, but how sometimes since Rudy

Gobert is such a good defender, defensive player of the year, that when he's matched up against a guy like Jokic, they'll have him play one-on-one, not give a lot of help. And then Jokic feast because it's almost better to guard Jokic with like one and a half slash two average defenders Than it is to guard him with one good defender. Yeah, and listen Rudy go bear defensive player of the year Many time I don't even know how many is one like five Really good in the regular season. This happens to him pretty much every playoffs I'm not even gonna say that like yeah, he got cooked tonight, but Jokic was so good. Everyone on planet earth would have gotten cooked. But

the thing I love about tonight, and obviously this series has been great to watch. You had the Wolves come out 2-0, take the first two in Denver, then the Nuggets are like, hey, we're the champs for a reason. And you felt that edge over the weekend and you felt that edge even tonight. But tonight was an extra edge because Yocic got his third MVP trophy before the game and he's going up against the defensive player of the year. And he's probably the like outside of, I think Steve Nash was very criticized as an MVP. If you remember, like people were like, how can you give him back to back MVPs? Um, but it's been a while since an MVP feels like they've been criticized and poked holes in, uh, as much as Yoko has even last year not winning it and indeed winning it. And Yoko is just like, I'm just going to, I like,

you don't think I care. I care a lot and I'm going to fucking demolish the defensive player of the year and score 40 points and do everything passing the ball and remind everyone that yes, I am the best player in the world and that's a fact I don't know how anyone like I understand that that you get fatigued with MVPs and SGA had a great year and we're gonna talk about him in a minute and other guys have been great I don't understand how anyone can watch the Denver Nuggets play basketball and Yoke, it's played basketball and not be like that guy is so much better than everyone else at this exact moment because everything he does is just so effortless and makes everyone better

and it's fucking awesome to watch. Yeah. He's the best player in basketball for sure. I think what's watered down the the whole MVP discussion, what's made some people come out of the woodworks with takes on other players that might, you know, be more deserving this year, which I disagree with. Jokic is the best. If you watch him play, you know, he's the best. It's, it's the proliferation of MVP chance. And yes, so there's a bunch of probably four, four arenas out there have guys that when he's on the foul line, the entire crowd chants MVP. And when you hear everybody chanting MVP, to me, I'm like, you know, they make a good point because

there's 40,000 or 30,000 people saying a guy's name at the same time. I'm like, yeah, yeah, yes, Jay, I agree with Oklahoma City on this one. But if you actually sit down, watch him back to back to back, it's pretty obviously the best players. Yeah, and it's I mean, it's happened time and time again in the NBA where it's like if you actually went, you know the best player without any fatigue or anything else like LeBron probably has a couple more, you know, Jordan has a couple more like these things happen where

where we just get tired of it and the voters get tired of it and they're like, oh, he's so good, but he makes it so easy. Let's give the new guy an MVP. Yoko is just the MVP. He deserves the MVP. He is the best player in the world and he did it again tonight. And it's honestly like, I feel the same way I felt when the Warriors played basketball, like at their peak of their powers. It's so much fun to watch him play basketball because it's just his two best passes tonight didn't even end up in baskets. Aaron Gordon missed one and got fouled on the other. Like he was he was doing tricks on it. He was fucking he was toying with them. And even that last three that he hit was like the wettest sounding three of all time. And it's just I don't know. I'm like smiling because I just I love watching him play basketball.

The behind the back pass or behind the back of his neck pass that he had when he was driving through the lane to Aaron Gordon. That was awesome. Also, I just love Aaron Gordon. I love Aaron Gordon. I have no other notes on this game besides the fact. Yokech dominant, Aaron Gordon. So fun to watch. He worked so hard. And it's funny watching because there were times when Rudy was matched up one on one against him. And on the offensive end, when he got into the paint, he'd have to do like three different pivots in a row to get go bear in a position like far enough away where he could even get a layup off against him. He has to work so hard against Rudy go bear to score. But he hustles

he hustles everywhere. And yeah, the nuggets they're fully back. I said I think maybe we need to have the conversation about the Timberwolves. They look like they're still exhausted from when Tibbs coached him back in 2018. They hit the wall after game after game two. I feel like this is a classic Tibbs. Just ran these guys too hard and now they can't win another playoff game. It's tough. I mean, this is like the learning experience. I also just think that this is why I made the joke at the beginning of the series that when Cat was like the big three and Cat

played better tonight, I still, I don't know why he still does like the three point celebration after every shot like in the first quarter like we're in a March Madness tournament game and they're like a 15 seed but whatever he's Kat's gonna do Kat. Anthony Edwards did not have his best night I actually might do a game of the year Anthony Edwards over points on Thursday night just because I don't if the wolves go out, he's going to go out like on like swinging. You know what I mean? It sucks because he had the game on Sunday night where he was so so good, but no one else picked him up. And then tonight you had Carl Anthony Towns actually hit some shots. It's like where was that Sunday night? And

they're just I don't know. It sucks. It sucks to see they didn't have Mike Conley. Um, they're, they're a fun young team, but this is why the Oak which is the best and why the nuggets are the champs. And it could, you know, we still got two games. I'm not going to write off the wolves, but it's just more tonight was more about your kitchen, just flexing on everyone and the nuggets. The scary part about the nuggets is Michael Porter jr. Has not been good. And if he like finds his shot and gets a little more confidence back, then you then you're clicking on all cylinders and because when he's

going it's like they're just an absolute terror. He's been dogshit for the last two games. I was thinking he was going to have a big night tonight and he just didn't. Yeah, we can't revoke dog status by the way from Anthony Edwards. I think he's already a dog, right? No, that's what I'm saying. He's going to go out. Yeah, he's going to go out barking. He's a dog. That's what he's going to do. It may be to nothing is the most dangerous lead in hockey and the NBA playoffs. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Speaking of dogs, Jalen Brunson, another incredible performance. He scored 28 points in the first half, basically ended the

Pacers right there in the first half. It was funny because the first, I don't know, five minutes of the game, Pacers got out to lead and you're like, oh man, maybe the Knicks are cooked. And then Jalen Brunson is like, what are you talking about? I'm a star here. I'm going to dominate everyone. The big thing though for this game. I have two big thoughts. One is Tyrese Haliburton, when he looks bad, he looks like he just doesn't even want to be out there. He'll just kind of bounce around and just not be decisive and not attack. And you're just like, what is this guy doing? And the other thing, this was, if we're talking about dogs, this was the full New York Knicks,

Tom Thibodeau, Nova Knicks, dog display. Because the Knicks tonight started four guys out of their five guys were 6'4 or under because they changed up the lineup and Deuce McBride started and the New York Knicks out rebounded on the offensive glass. A team that has, I think three guys over six, five in their starting lineup, 20 to five, 20 to five. Isaiah Hardenstein had 12 offensive rebounds. That's fucking ridiculous. They are just so much more physical and just take the fight to you. And it was good to see the next like get off the mat after Sunday where they got blown out. Like they're just when they're doing when they're playing

that bully ball and Brunson's hitting everything. They're a weird team, but they're fun in there. They're hard to beat. Yeah. So how many players were under six for under six for six four or under four out of five of their starters tonight. The Knicks. So Brunson, Deuce Mc McBride Josh Hart and Dante DiVincenzo are all six four under Deuce McBride and Brunson are six one six six feet so brawny to the Knicks is

what we're hearing brawny to the Knicks that's crazy also speaking of dogs tonight was also the Westminster Kittle Club it It was a dog show tonight. Was that there's no there's no chance that that was at MSG in the side theater, right? No, I think it was at halftime. That would be very funny. That would be funny. They brought him out on the court.

They just took a big shit. I think the Westminster Dog Show is the only thing in the world that got on COVID schedule and never got off because that why are they doing it right now? I have no idea because it used to be right after the Super Bowl. Right. Weird. But yeah it was a yeah big night for dogs. Yeah. It's Billy Jean King Tennis Center. What? Billy Jean King Tennis Center. I moved to the tennis courts that's's disrespectful to the dogs, but I get it. During the playoffs, too?

It would have been very funny if they had it in the Hulu theater inside MSG while the Knicks were in a playoff game. Yeah. Do you think they do get the tennis ball gone out for them? They should. Like, American Gladiators, fire to have the dogs running obstacle course? They're there. Why not?

Yeah, this game though like to I The Knicks are just I don't know where this is gonna end for them I I think they're gonna win this series and I think they're very over match against Celtics But you can understand why they've captured the hearts of New York and like just yeah from like a fun watch Like I don't like the Knicks, but I'm watching them and I'm like these guys are I don't know what's going on like Alex Birx is just hitting all these shots and Jalen Brunson can't miss and Dante DiVincenzo is doing put backs and then yelling and that was actually the moment where it was like the encapsulation of the 20 to five offensive rebounding was Dante DiVincenzo. I think he

was to miles Turner just being like, fuck you, you bitch. Like that's the center. That's their center. And he's saying that to him. So the other the other thing about the first quarter this game is there were like, seven reviews it felt like, yes, Scott Foster just kept the they just kept reviewing plays Scott Foster got a screen time and that's probably the that's the big market media bias are trying to get more eyeballs Scott Foster going over to the screen, getting another viewer

like five times in a row. I was sure that the fix was in on something at that point. That's just entirely too much Scott Foster for America. Yeah, if he's on a game, the NBA should do a better job of not having him be the guy that that stares directly into our souls after review and tells us what Scott Foster thinks. He he did have after that fight. What was the what was the phrase he used? He did the review. I think the technical no it was on I'm gonna play it. Yeah, he was like there was a fight and it wasn't easily dissolved. And so we're gonna review it. I like that a fight and it wasn't easily dissolved.

And so we're going to review it. I like that. So like if they had easily dissolved it, it would have been no problem. We could have just not had to review. But he's like, listen, that didn't dissolve quick enough. What do you want me to do? I got to review. Yeah, stop the game.

Fun stat about Jalen Brunson. He is the first player with five 40 point games in the playoffs since LeBron did in 2018. I saw the stat. It was basically Jalen Brunson. It was it was there was a stat that was uh 540 point games in an eight game stretch and it was like Jalen Brunson, Michael Jordan, Michael Jordan, Michael Jordan, like uh Jerry West. It was it was basically like six guys had done it and yeah, he's just he's just been dominant and it seems like he I know there's a lot more to his game than this

but just watching him, he it seems like he's dominant because he tries harder than everybody else on the court. Yeah. Yeah. It's it's I mean it's a very fun watching. I mean Max are you back into like Nova Knicks because? Yeah, I'm so close. I'm so close. Well, I just need to get I need I need to win one. I need them to win one more game and then I'm fully bad. And then you're going to show.

Yeah, yes, when it's when it's Nova against Hank. Yeah. What a joy that will be. But speaking of Hank, huge win tonight for the Bruins. Take the series back to Boston. What were your thoughts? I get you're being modest, but we want to give you the platform because we want to hear what you have to say. Let's give Boston Sports its credit. Hank, go ahead. I think your mic's muted,

Hank. I think your mic's muted. Um, this sucks for Hank. I'm going to say it right now. I actually feel bad for Hank. The sleeping allegations lasted. He, he, he beat him for what? Three weeks, but not here. I put out a video earlier today of him, of him snoring in the studio today before we did the show. He's going to be so bad at himself tomorrow morning. He's like, God damn it. His quote was right afterwards. He's like, all you need is a 15 minute nap. That's all you need. You don't need to sleep any longer than 15 minutes and you wake up and you're totally refreshed and you're good to go the rest of the day. But you know what? Hank might be speaking for America here. He might be, this might be Hank's

protest to the 10 30 PM Eastern start time. Yeah. The wolves nuggets this might be Hank's protest to the 10 30 p.m. Eastern start time. Yeah, the Wolves nuggets game because that's I feel bad for for all the kids all the youngsters out there who aren't able to stay up and watch their favorite teams on TV. That's too late. It's so stupid. You have the best player in the world playing and you play him at 10 30 at night. Our friend Andrew Pearl off McLovin had a great tree. He's like eight 8 p.m. Eastern and 1030 Eastern for two, like two or three stars, Jalen Brunson, Anthony Edwards and Yokoji. Everyone wants

to watch and the NBA wonders why everyone's obsessed about the leak of the Cleveland Browns week five opponent. Like what are we doing? Why is this? I mean, we're built different. We watch the games, but I don't like you can't stay up till one in the morning if you're if you're on the East Eastern Standard Time. Like what are we doing of the morning talk show guys out there? Let's take a moment and think about what they have to go through right now. Greenie. Oh my God. Greenie that game tipped off two hours after his bedtime tonight. He's supposed to get up in the morning and educate us about the finer points of basketball. I actually I like the 1030

start time just because it makes me feel like a man like yeah, I can do it. It's my adversity. And I embrace that I get through it. But then I also think about the less fortunate people out there who who are able to stay up that late to watch sports like a good friend Hank. And so on on Hank's behalf that's why I'm upset. Hank will be in the rest of the show we're gonna talk about the Celtics with him so this is a very brief opening on zoom but what do we predict Hank's text tomorrow morning is gonna be? Just my bad I did it again. I think it's gonna be just fuck I think we're gonna get a fuck from Hank. I think it'll be at like 4am. He's gonna like wake up on his couch and he's gonna be there.

I wish there was a fly on the wall that could just see the look on his face. He's like, fuck, I did it again. Because he just had this happen. Now he's gonna get he's it's gonna stick a little bit that he's the sleep guy. Like a smart move from Hank would be to say I'm gonna go see a doctor. No, it's the documentary because he's getting up at six at like six to work out to work out at eight. That's what he told me today. It's crazy. That's like, him just getting in shape is now his

job. Listen, he's putting in grind to create content for this company. He's he's burning the candle at both ends right now. So, it's kind of unfair of us to expect him to stay up. Yeah, he's gonna reverse this on us. If we're if we're like if we give him too much **** he's gonna be like, fine, I won't I won't do the documentary. I won't try to dunk. Fine. You guys want me to you guys want me to do blah blah blah blah blah. I won't dunk. So, so later on the

show, we asked Hank what he thinks happened already earlier tonight. Yeah. And he, I, I'm not going to give it away, but, but I think he's absolutely correct in his prediction. Yeah. He nailed it. Um, all right. So, so the Bruins did win. I was actually surprised by that. I thought the Bruins were dead. Now we go game six and then we might, we, we alluded to it actually, uh, in a minute when we talk about we need a period of the week even though it's early in the week but that we might just have the last five minutes of the week that Canucks Oilers game that

I'm gonna say the Canucks are no longer a team of destiny congratulations the Canucks you were my team of destiny for one game actually one in like, almost like 1.75 of a game because them scoring to even it up with three minutes left was the biggest team of destiny thing to do. And then the Oilers scoring with like a minute left, it feels like the Oilers can now relax and be like, all right, it's two two, we're better. Let's just fucking win this series. Because they were that was they were not not going to win overtime if that went to overtime. Pivotal game five coming up. I wonder if the stats are the same in hockey

like they are in basketball, because I think it's what 85% somewhere around there in basketball, the team that wins game five when it's tied to two, they go out and win the series. We have to as a sports podcast, we have to remind everybody that I think it's legally required. I don't know if that's the same case in hockey. Should we should we start the campaign that game fives are actually better than game sevens? Dude, I'm rock. I've always said like, I don't remember the last time that a team won a game five and then lost the series feels like it always

happens. Yeah, game fives rock. So all right. And a home team won finally in the Nuggets Timber Wolf series. Huge. Would this be? They swung home court advantage back. I know it's not a gentlemen's sweep because a 4-1 is a gentlemen's sweep, but it feels like if they win on Thursday night, this could qualify as a gentlemen's sweep because it basically was two just completely separate series that happened. I think it's like a nice a nice guy win. Yeah, it gives the wolves hope.

They gave the wolves hope. They gave the wolves more than hope. Yeah, I think everybody was talking about the nuggets like they were dead. And they look at I hope this goes seven. I do. I would like to see a game seven in this series. And I do. I think I might do game of the year Anthony Edwards because I just don't I don't see a world where he doesn't just go like he's going to take this personal he's going to go fucking nuclear he knows that he's the

guy he knows that it doesn't matter if Carl Anthony Towns hits a three early on and does the finger guns it's got to be him I'm going to wait to say if I wanted to go seven I don't think that I do because that would probably mean maybe one more 1030 tipoff time mmm that would game 7 will be a Sunday or Saturday, so I think we can handle it. I don't think they would do 1030 on a Sunday Okay, but the NBA might be freaky like that. Um, okay So back to ourselves in studio no ad between this in the studio and Hank will be back. Okay, we're back in studio. We're going to talk about Monday night's games. Hank, do you want to do a quick Celtics recap? The Celtics won and they should easily be in the

next round. Just end the series right now. Yeah, that's good. That's good. We can end it there. Yeah, they struggle a little. No, that's good. We're good. Donovan Mitchell. Max Struce went five for five. Donovan Mitchell's a really good player, so it makes sense that you guys would struggle against him, right? Don Mitchell did not play.

Oh, no. But Jared Allen. But you said, we said the Celtics needed a test. They got a test. They won a close, a first 10-point game of the playoffs. And they came out on top, which I think is a good sign, good test for a playoff team. We're on to the next round, hopefully.

I have a trouble in paradise, Hank, for the Boston Celtics. Jason Tatum, Jalen Brown, you love them. You think they play well together. When Jalen Brown hit that three, I think they went up 105 to 97, about a minute left in the game. You remember that three? Of course. Okay, after that three was hit, Tatum comes over, smacks Jalen Brown in the chest, as if to say congratulations, hits him so hard that Jalen Brown in the chest, as if to say congratulations, hits him so hard that Jalen Brown turns around and looks at him, starts yelling at him. And then they had to hold Jalen Brown back because he was mad that Tatum hit him too

hard. This sounds like your father. This sounds like this sounds like fiction. By the way, Max, you finished five for nine, but he was five for five for a while. You want me to pull the video up, Hank? Yeah. Okay. Let me find this video. And you need to take a look at it because. I'll find my own video.

OK, find your own video then. Find the video, Hank. Sounds like you weren't watching the game that closely, because it's the first thing I noticed. Oh, so we have a quote after. Jalen Brown said, yeah, I'm gonna get Jason back for that Yeah, and then Jason Taylor wasn't yelling at him. He's yelling at someone else on the court. No, no, it wins He wins he wins and they tried to storm on the court and that was like a playful ones like when today when I like

Touched your finger and you said I broke your thumb and you're never gonna be able to play guitar again Look at this. Look at this blood. Let me see. Oh, you can see the tendon Yeah, we got to blur that. Hey, big guy. How many beers? Zero. Yeah, you could fuck my thumb right now. It's tight cuz it's so tiny. Ah, whoa Hank Are you talking about you want to tight tiny? Tiny don't talk about my gas that way. We just did how many beers you said? Yeah, you like it cuz it's tight All right, no, what? Say no Drake before you know, Drake Yeah, no Jason Tatum. Oh, here's an interesting part of this

So it looked like it was fun all fun and games, but Jason Tatum did say I didn't realize how hard I hit him I've been lifting a lot lately. It's good. He's getting stronger kind of fucks up your shot though. He's playing aggressive He's he's no. Yeah good aggressive basketball. He has been stronger kind of fucks up your shot though. He's playing aggressive. He's he's no Yeah, good aggressive basketball. He has been more aggressive this series just needs to end. I mean the East it's again It's like the East really is such it's crazy that we're gonna get to a spot It you know reminds me it reminds me of the Patriots where it's like you're not gonna get tested till the championship Yeah, you're gonna find out you're gonna find out buddy And we just need the fucking that hopefully the Timberwol walls won tonight Hank is right now very clearly in the fucking around

Part of the graph yeah, and the finding out is gonna come against the well. There's nothing What are you supposed to do? No you there's nothing you can do is fuck around they what we're doing Yeah, they play boring games against really like inferior opponents, and that's not saying the cells aren't really good because they are It's just everyone else is just not even close to them close Yeah, just presenting us healthy get some good reps in I think we can so like I feel good. I feel good I feel good. I should feel good. Like we're poking holes in the Celtics left and right. They're gonna be in the father They're a very very good team. We'll find out. They're great. Just we need the Timberwolves need the Timberwolves Well, we already talked about that game and I don't I feel like it was bad. Oh, I don't feel good. I don't feel good about what we talked about. What happened earlier tonight? Nothing good. Nothing good. Nothing good.

Damn. The West though, everyone is just beating up each other. The Thunder, I want to say, have officially earned their big boy playoff stripes because what they did on Monday night, when they could not shoot at all, they were like, I think like 25% from three, played great defense and SGA took over that game. He's so fucking good. He's just like so deliberate and his, that back, that over the backboard shot he hit

was incredible. Took over the game in the second half at 22 points and it was the that was like a win that the Thunder needed to get where it's like we don't have our best stuff but we'll figure out a way to win this game that's a tough playoff win and the Mavs defense was awesome and the Thunder win and I'm like they got their big boy stripes yeah it was like it was a nice comeback win. They seemed to be down between seven and nine points for almost the entire game.

And then they turned it on at the end. The Mavericks couldn't hit a foul shot at all. They went 12 for 23 from the free throw line. The Thunder went 23 for 24. Yeah, that's the game right there. And then Luca missed that big one. Some people are saying there's a ball don't lie situation. I think he did get fouled.

I did, I saw this, I think he's an NFL reporter, Greg Rosenthal tweeted, the officials should be allowed to talk shit back to Luca when he misses a big free throw. Agreed. I agree. Agreed. Any foul merchant should get, like the officials should get a quick 10 seconds like, yeah, you fucking missed that. Yeah. If you were Luca's teammate, would you get sick of him just screaming at the refs

the entire time? I don't know about the refs. I think I would probably get and I I like Luca when he's he's clearly injured Let's just say that he's clearly injured. Everyone's dealing with something this time of year. I Would say the thing that would make me more mad as a teammate is when there's like a fast break and all of a sudden Luca has the most painful injury ever. Yeah Or he's just having a close conversation with the referee. Yeah, things go poorly and it's like oh shit now He's really injured. Yeah, he does look like he he's not pushing off his right leg as much. Yeah Yeah, no, he's not you can tell Yeah

The lift is not there and his shot doesn't look as good and it looks like it's just everything's a little bit more difficult for him But this this game was SGA SGA took this game over and the Thunder won a game that they probably didn't have business winning with the way they were shooting three and Again, big boy stripes and I like it. I know people will say is corny. I like that the Thunder do the postgame Interview as a full team. Yeah, I like it. It is good. They're young. They're fun. And Chet is tough. Chet what?

No, Hank, you were trying to get me back when he said that he wanted a tight, tiny pussy. Yeah. And that's not close. Young and fun is not the same. He's saying you wanted a tight, tiny pussy. Young and fun could still be loose. Yeah. Nice try, Hank. You put yourself in one. tight tiny post inside young and young and fun could still be loose yeah nice

try Hank you put yourself in one Chet is tough though no I didn't get his tough he also he's got swag he's post game he's got like Abraham Lincoln swag yeah he looks a little bit like honest Abe but he had the sunglasses on he had like a pink Miami vice shirt yeah I don't know if he's I think he's kind of forcing it but I'm okay with him forcing know if he's, I think he's kind of forcing it, but I'm okay with him forcing it because he's just trying to find his way in the fashion game of the NBA. Also, when you're that big and tall, I feel like that limits your fashion choices. Yes. You can't buy, you can't buy normal clothes. I'd agree. Shout out my guy

Lou Dort for in that big three. That was an SGA assist. I mean, SGA, like you can't say enough. That was a game where it's's like I'm the best player on the court Here's why yeah, Lou door on defense is so fun to watch too even when he blocks your shot It looks like he hurts you also. We should probably say Kyrie Irving Probably needs to score more. Yeah. Well, he's been good in the second half this playoff series That was not his game No

he was way off and they need him to be that guy because their defense is really like the the the Mavs have been playing great defense and if Luca is hampered Kyrie you need to pick it up. Yeah, I was thinking about the series Do you think there are fans up in Oklahoma City that grew up Dallas Mavericks fans and they have to act now like that? Never happened to them in this series. Mmm. I think no, I think they were just sooner fans Oh, they were just Sooner fans. Or they were just, they were like Seattle fans. They just didn't know it yet.

Yeah. Also, it works because it is Sooner versus a little, there's probably some crossover Sooner versus Texas. It's a Red River rivalry in basketball form, yeah. Right. Yeah, no, I think Oklahoma fans before that were just Sooner fans and possibly Cowboys fans. Yeah, Cowboys fans.

They didn't dip into the other stuff. Yeah, I do know that there are a lot of people from North Texas that are close to the Panhandle area that are big time Sooner fans. Yeah. Like it's not just right along state lines. Yeah. OK, so hockey real quick.

The Stars look like maybe the best team in the playoffs, especially because the Rangers lost. Yeah, the teams. It was a clobbering. Memes starting to feel good. Yeah. 3-2. 3-2.

Going to be a sweep. And now the Rangers are still going to win. Are they? Yeah, they're the best team. Oh, I see what he's doing. The old reverse jinx. They got the best goalie. They're going back to Carolina.

They play good at Carolina. Carolina goalie stinks. I'm mad at myself about the Stars because Ryan Whitney did tell me they were the best team before the playoffs. Yeah, yeah, they were pretty adamant about that. But they did say this is gonna go seven. Could go seven.

Who? Dallas, Colorado. The Avalanche said that? No, the Chicklets boys. Oh, I don't think so. You think it's over? There was a moment in that game in the second period Where it was 18 to 3 in shots

The Avalon's just weren't able to get pucks on net at all And listen if we know one thing about hockey especially playoff, I'm gonna shoot the puck It's pucks on net. You got to shoot the puck good things happen when you put the puck on that pucks on net mean everything I still think that one of the maybe maybe ahead of hitting a curveball The hardest thing to do at least to my untrained eye is what hockey players seem to do all the time Which is just deflect a shot off the end of their stick a shot that's coming in super fast Yep, and they just casually redirect into the quarter the net. It's the coolest thing. It's so cool dirty goals You need those dirty goals in the mock screen out the goalie. Yep, put a puck on that there was a knuckle puck shot the other that was in the Bruins game, right?

I feel like that's more the You just put your stick up and then the shooter shoots it at your stick You think it's more on the shoe? No, but there are I've seen sometimes where it's like they're directly shooting at like there's you know Know where the stick is gonna be and they're shooting for that But the cause sometimes when they turn the yeah the cool ones are when a guy will like almost hit down on the puck as it's in the air Yeah, and it will just change the complete trajectory. Those might be the coolest goals. Yeah, the goalie has no chance at it Yeah, we still need a period of the week this week

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Oh my god. I'm picturing it right now and I just want to be there. You know what I absolutely love is just pictures of people's coolers. I can't get enough of them. I took like when we had people over for the Derby party, took a bunch of pictures just of my cooler. Not even to post anywhere just so I could look at them and see the blue mountains on top of an ice-cooled cooler. So good. Yeah. By the way, speaking of Hot Seat throne, um, can we get the AC back on in here? Jake, you did that. What? They said that you, you turned it off.

I haven't been here in a week. I know. I think you turned it off a week ago. Has it been this hot all week? Yeah, it's been really hot. I mean, it was freezing and I definitely see, see, see, but it was, it was either. Wait, did you admit to do? No, no you did he a hundred percent admitted to it When it was freezing I pressed up. Yeah, how many times up on that I? Don't remember would you rather be hot or cold? I think two colds better than two hot cuz too cold you can layer up I'd rather be hot all day. Yeah If you're too hot you're screwed. Yeah, my hair was just crazy there Jake

You're not allowed to touch that okay? I'm just saying sorry cuz like we can't do the guy who might have the most sensitivity towards temperature just Doing that it was freezing in here. It was not it was pretty cold It was cold, but it's way better than what it is now the same in there as it isn't here It's not even it's fucking hot as fuck in here, but I don't even know that that's related No, no he touched this one. I know that's what I'm saying, but he said it was because it was cold in there Oh good point. No no he would He was we were watching something in here. Oh, it was when we were doing the

We're watching Netflix. I think oh, and it and it was cold and you and you were like Jake You got to figure out how to turn that back cold you it might kill mr. Parrot. We're getting we're getting mr. Parrot prefers it. It's a hot. It's a hot box in here Hot box mr. Parrot preferred hot is that fact? Yes, is it hot in the studio right now? Yeah, it's hot Why do you have your sweatshirt hood up? Wait, do you all about it? Did we did we change the temperature in the studio to like 85 degrees for our turtle? No, no, I think I think it was because we already found Denied it and then admitted it. So yeah. Yeah, it's hot. So fucking hot and I Jake I need to be able to wear a sweatshirt

I'm fat. That's really what it comes down to. Yeah, but you need I need Be able to layer up. That's why I like to lie twice Jake. You don't lie twice Hank's spicy. I like it like a spicy Shelf a nap looking for a tight tiny pussy My hot seat is is brawny James. Yeah, I never thought I'd say this cuz I I hate his dad so much, but I Feel bad for him. Like I he's in a terrible spot. He's in a terrible spot He is at the combine this week. People are debating whether it should even be at the combine, you know in every roster Meteor report whatever he's said he's 6-4. He measured in at 6'1". Does have a big wing span. He's like has like a 6'8 persons wing span and a 41 inch vertical which is high. I'll be up there soon.

Wait, did he say he was 6'4"? Or was it his dad? It was listed like he was listed in all the media guides as 6'4". But that one's easy. You just say they measure him in shoes. Yeah, LeBron is trying to fix it now. Meebs is definitely not gonna fix it. LeBron definitely told the media. Yeah, you six four Yeah, right and then and and he played in a scrimmage He had four points for rebounds But the four points are getting blasted out like by every single media life being like Barani James at the combine and he just hit a floater in like a shot and then you look up the stats being like

Oh is he you know, the floater was nice. He had hit a floater in a shot. And then you look up the stats being like, oh, is he, you know, the floater was nice, he had a nice floater. But then if you look up his stats, it's like the same as what he was doing at USC. And it's like, he's gonna get drafted. It's just a tough spot. He's in a tough spot, I feel bad. I agree with you.

I never thought I'd get here, but I do agree with you because it's just a simple question. Would Brawny James be at the combine and be drafted if his name wasn't Brawny James the answers no no Probably not Absolutely probably not yeah, so it sucks, and he knows that deep down, and it's like not his fault He wants to just play ball. There's I mean there is a chance that team would draft him though Just to be like come on LeBron they will he's going to I think we're talking about it with woe

Yeah, but I bet against it And that's probably why I've been tracking so closely because when I first saw it I was like I think was over under 32 and a half And I thought it was the lock of the year now. I feel like it's I feel he's gonna get drafted Yeah, no possibly even high wait He could get drafted anywhere in the second round you'd lose that bet Okay, what what numbers You said 32 and a half? Yeah. Did you? Did you know there's two rounds? Did you know there's 30 NBA teams? Not in there? Two rounds? Right. But basically

saying like, Oh, you think he's gonna be a first rounder or base? No, I think he's gonna be a like, I sort of I thought second round or worse. Got it. Got it. That's what I bet on. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's still a safe bet. I'm the after I bet it obviously I've looked into it more and I, the more the days go by, the worse I feel. That's right. I also don't know what to believe. I think he's still going to go in that thirties forties range. So I think that's still a good bet. And then my cool throne, Jared Goff. Yeah, congrats. Way to go, buddy. When, when do we grow? Oh, what is fiance?

It's fiance. When do we ask? When do we ask for our money? That's a good question. How much does he owe us? Something probably like 10. I don't know what the agreement was, but if it was. Should I do it now? 10% probably if 10 no 10% phrases 10% or a Super Bowl suite. Can you bar Venmo request them for like $2 million? Oh, can you see what he does? Just see what happens.

Yeah. Is that possible? Probably not. No, he got no Apple cash. Apple cash. He got a bunch of money guaranteed to. Yeah. Is that possible? Probably not. No, he got all Apple cash. Apple cash. He got a bunch of money guaranteed to. Yeah. It's a good contract for him. Request how I feel like one of the best NFL contracts I've ever seen. It's good. Yeah, you have to pay your quarterback and the Lions had a choice to make probably a choice to make last year before last season. Do you want to

draft somebody or do you want to try to just see what? What Jared's got they rolled Jared and he made him very happy shit. They don't let you do They don't lead you more than 10 grand Write in the comments like expect X X X 100 100 more of these. Yeah, okay Yeah, just do it do parentheses one slash a hundred. All right, I'm doing all right Apple very important thread requests All right So I sent him the requests if you send him one of those every day like put a calendar reminder He's probably gonna accept one. I Think he might accept this first one just for just for okay. There we go. I did

$10,000 request and then parentheses first payment. Yep and then parentheses first payment. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Good for him though. Good for him.

When the trade happened, everybody was saying like, they're gonna use Jared Goff as a bridge quarterback. Yeah. Now he's not a bridge. No, it's awesome. I'm so happy for him. Yeah. It felt like there was, yeah,

when he got traded for the Rams, it's like, oh, his career's over, and now he's proven everyone wrong. Second career. Yeah, love it. Love it. What were you saying about his fiance? Well, I was joking I was saying my cool thrown is Jared Goff because his fiance is a sports illustrator Model again, and then was gonna mention the extension. Oh a little bait and switch Well, no you guys kind of know you guys cut me off. I wasn't able to use it. You're a golf first. I said, Jerry golf. Oh, I was gonna say because I got it. My dad just got announced as a, but I, I cut you off because I want to know how much money

we should get. Right. Yeah. It was, it was fair. Yeah. But congrats X two. Yeah. What a guy. Yes. Um, my hot seat is portals. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Portals on the hot seat. So there's a portal that was opened up a week ago. And it's a portal that one end of it is in New York City. I believe Times Square. The other is in Dublin, Ireland. And they had to shut it down earlier today. So they closed the portal down.

They're trying to fix it. Why was the portal closed down, you might ask. Good question. It's a giant screen where you could step in front of it. And was the portal closed down, you might ask. Good question. It's a giant screen where you could step in front of it and then you see a video of, if you're in New York, you see Dublin, Ireland, you get to wave to people, say whatever you want to them. Well, some of the videos that have gone viral recently have visitors that are lining up

pretending to snort cocaine. They're throwing up the birds, two middle fingers. It says miming snorting cocaine. So I don't know, yeah, like you're in New York City. Or Dublin. Or Dublin, and you're pretending to snort cocaine. Got it. Some people have just flashed their boobs.

One visitor in Dublin pulled up an image of 9-11. Oh! That showed the Twin Towers burning and held it up to the portal camera. And people from New York took offense to that. So they're switching it off temporarily until they figure out a technical solution to the inappropriate behavior. They tried to re-upload the software to have blurring on it where if they saw boobs they could blur it. I don't know. I don't know how

that works. Now you have some guy that's like monitoring the portal 24-7. Yeah. Hitting the blur button but that wasn't satisfactory so they close it down on Tuesday and they're hoping to resume the live stream later on the week. What they did was they essentially created Twitter in video format. Yeah. Just like absolutely no repercussions, whatever. If you get two random people on earth and be like, here, hang out with this person on the other side of the world, you're going to get people that are being dickheads about it. I love this story so much because it was some tech nerds that spent years and years coming up with this technology and they just forgot the simple fact that people suck.

People are assholes. Yeah, like they did everything right and then they just didn't have one regular person sitting in the room being like, hey, is there any chance someone puts up like a picture of the Twin Towers? Yeah. And like, no one even said that. And like, hey, is there any chance someone like, you know, flashes them, moons them, like does something really crass?

No, this is going to be, everyone's going to love this because you get to connect across, you know, the world. It's cross culture relationship building. Yeah. Countries. How great is that? Technology has reached such an outstanding place? Where now you can make friends with somebody halfway around the world and then you get in front of the camera

And you just do a lot of cocaine in front of it. I'm so fucking lit This is dudes rock we dudes continue to rock yeah So that's another good point is what percentage of these activities do you think were done by dudes? I would say about a hundred percent of them all the fire saw a girl flashing Okay, okay. That's kind of a dude thing, though. Yeah. That's like a cool dude. Girl.

If it was a girl on the other end of the portal, she wouldn't just like flash a chick probably. Yeah. Like your dudes. Yeah. I think it was like old women. Oh, old women. Oh, really?

On the other side. Yeah. I don't think. Open it back up. Yeah. Open up that portal. Did you guys see the guy jerking off with the gas in his ass? Yeah

Really makes you think yeah I'm gonna see the thing is I'm gonna watch this video and be like I wonder what this video is It's gonna be a guy jacking off with gas in his ass. Oh, he's just getting you find it for us You never you never uh By the way giving yourself a little Juice yeah speaking of the portal Jake to me. Yeah Describe it getting himself going top it himself. That's not him Jake what did you think about?

Grant Hill's use of play where Derek Lively and Chet Holmgren both fell down at the same time Oh, yeah, I mean who who out there hasn't done the worst is he gets seen and he's he's got a hog too. Yeah it's not bad. That's soft. I like he's he's shooting he's injecting gas. Yeah. Cranking the hog. Yeah. What. Okay. I need to know what college football team has is that he's worse like Tennessee. It looks like Tennessee orange to me. Yeah. Yeah. I like to believe that like the person behind the camera maybe yelled like hey, you got to pay inside first Oh wait like that that what what language is that Italian? Oh, yeah. Yeah, these guys pervert. Yeah big-time pervert Oh, I just saw yeah, so Grant Hill when Derek Lively and and Chet Holmgren both fell down last night

He said the two towers falling down. I heard that. Yeah, I heard that I chose you were getting mad. It's like who cares. I mean it yeah, it's like he used the words wrong. Whatever. Yeah Is that how you pump gas in Italy? Yeah, I think that's actually exactly how you get it started. Yeah Yeah, you got a primate in your asshole Cranking off that's a good video though. You got it. No, it's a great video That's one of those ones that like there's some times we share videos with each other where I'm like, I wish you hadn't shared that. Yeah, that's that's one you needed to see.

I'm glad that I saw that. Yeah, that's fucking huge. That's probably Max's relative from somewhere way down the line. Oh yeah, that's definitely a delante. Yeah, delante all over them. All right. My hot seat, uh, is wait, fuck, had it, and then I lost it in my head. I'll go to my cool throne, I'll come back to my hot seat because I had one in my head

and I've lost it. My cool throne is college basketball because Doug Gottlieb got a job. Yeah, I saw that. Good for him. Yeah. Very happy. He's UW Green Bay coach. Is he going to be doing media while he does that?

Yeah, he's doing his radio show. He's multitasking. Really? Yeah. Oh shit. I didn't realize that. I'm unprecedented. That is pretty crazy. Okay. Good for Doug Gottlieb. Oh, I had a cool because got a new team. Yeah. I had a cool throw and you can use this for your hot seat in some way, shape or form. Your hot seat should be Aaron Rodgers. Oh yeah. That was what my hot seat is. My cool throne is the NFL schedule. Yes. Yeah. That was what my hot seat was. So today, Wednesday, the schedule release is coming. But right now we've got some what? No, no, you're, you're about to say it. We've got a couple of games that have been announced already, but the

full schedule is being released on Wednesday. Hank is spicy right now. No, no, it's spicy. I was agreeing with you. That was like, I hate how they don't just like, it's like, agree. You see stuff getting released today. It's like, no, I was agreeing with you. That was like I hate how they don't just like it's like Agree see stuff getting released today. It's like all the skaters got released read. No, that's tomorrow. Just tickle us. Yeah Yeah, I was agreeing that was a that was like a I was like echoing gotcha gotcha So they've they've dropped a couple nuggets on us already. They've got Ravens Chiefs opening up the season I'm gonna watch that game. I like that. That's a good matchup We've got Eagles Packers in Brazil. Obviously, we've got the Jets and the 49ers playing Monday night football in the opener Wait, Monday night football in the opener in the opener Did who played Monday football in the opener last year? That's the Jets and the Bills

So and that didn't go well. Well, they won Pre-game went well. Yeah, the pregame went well. Yeah, just Feds were very happy afterwards because they beat the Bills. Remember that? Yeah. Means. Yeah. Are they going to have Aaron Rodgers come back out with the American flag again? Somebody at the NFL office is a sick fuck. Yeah. So not only is it Aaron Rodgers on Monday Night Football, but it's also Floyd, the guy that was sacking Rodgers Yeah Leonard Floyd is now on the 49ers here for life So it's gonna be a matchup of Floyd against Rogers Achilles again

memes How are you feeling? Bad if Aaron Rodgers gets another season-ending injury, I'm gonna strap a bomb to my chest All right, so I'm not- Just for the first game. Just for the first game. Okay. Season ending injury. Memes, you're making me root for an Aaron Rodgers injury so badly.

Well, I'm not- It's just gonna happen. I'm not rooting for it. I don't want to, but since you just said that- Yeah. I'm not- I'd be a hero in New York. Memes, I am not rooting for an Aaron Rodgers injury because I saw it this morning and I

tweeted out Aaron Rodgers other Achilles can do the funniest thing possible. Jets fans are being pussies about that. I'm not hoping he gets hurt. It would be funny. It wouldn't, I don't want it to happen. But it kind of sounds like it kind of did. No, if it happened happened That would be crazy That was the correct joke people are just taking their anger out from the NFL onto you got it

Which they should be taking out on the NFL because I got to remind Jets fans like do you think like I? Go online every day and just get abuse about the quarterbacks that I root for yeah every single day I'm like those the you remember the story about like the Facebook Every single day. I'm like those, the, you remember the story about like the Facebook quality control people who had legit PTSD from all the horrific things they saw? That's me in my mentions with Bears quarterbacks. So I make one little joke. Don't be a baby about it. I don't want him to get hurt. Yeah, I do not. I like Aaron Rodgers on the Jets.

I do not want Aaron Rodgers to get hurt. But if it did happen, then we'd have to just be like, what the fuck is going on? This is, this is insane. I might have to, I'd have get hurt, but if it did happen then we'd have to just be like what the fuck is going on This is this is insane. I might have to I'd have to delete that tweet if you got her No, you have to let it stand actually yeah, because memes would memes Yeah, bomb flip would definitely take take precedent. Yeah, that'd be a big time. They already know yeah also Second I mean I after that I don't know how you can not root for it I mean I after that I don't know how you can't not root for it He's gonna get arrested if that's what's gonna happen there's gonna be dead no, but right after right after he

Hypothetically tears his other Achilles. There's gonna be the FBI at memes his door taking him into custody They're gonna kick his door down. Yeah, and then they're gonna shoot mr. Parr He's coming at us. He's trying to attack us memes. At, at least it's not happening. At least not have met life on that bad turf. Yeah, that's true. That was easy. I wish they would have made it to London Night Football. Why, just get a different night of the week? Yeah. Yeah. Just change the vibe a little bit.

I mean, Memes is right. Aaron Rodgers is one for one tearing his Achilles on Monday Night Football. In his last one. Yeah, that's true. In a Jets uniform. His only weakness. Yeah. Just like the real Achilles.

I hope he doesn't get hurt. I want to, on the record, stop being Pussy's Jets fans. So there's another matchup that another fan base is pissed off about. The second Thursday night game is Dolphins Bills, but it's in Miami and Dolphins fans are pissed off because it's a night game and the Dolphins are like, our 12th man is the sun. And they're taking away our game against, we were gonna have a home game against Josh Allen where it was gonna be too hot for him

and now they're not letting the sun come out. And so this is the NFL hating the Dolphins again. That to me is loser talk. That's the biggest reach of all time. Also night games are the best. Big time loser talk. Yeah. You want night games. You want like

your crowd to be pumped up a little bit drunk a lot bit drunk and to be like the big home field advantage. They're counting on the sun to show up. Yeah, even just as fans like if you're going to the game, I would imagine if you live in Miami, are we going to go to Bears Patriots? Yeah, if the leaks are correct. It's week four Thursday night. Hell yeah. Yeah. Hell yeah. I went through the schedule because I saw the record. We could record after. Yeah, I mean, it's, we could actually record

from maybe I'll get Vinnie woodhead fixed back up. That would be sick. Tattoo bat. Where is anyone? Who knows? Get it fixed up. That thing is never getting here. I heard it might be getting here soon. Oh, really? I heard it. I heard a, that, that, get it fixed up. That thing is never getting here. I heard it might be getting here soon. Oh, really? I heard it, I heard a rumor that somebody contacted someone in this office to ask for assistance. Vanny Woodhead, which is pretty much somebody in New York

calling our office and be like, can you do this for me? I'm not gonna name any names as to who that might be. That person sounds super reliable too. I'm not gonna name any names. I might be partially to blame cause I do think I walked up to somebody in this office and just walked by. I was like, hey, we should get Vanny Woodhead here.

Yeah. And then maybe she, because she's very good at her job, might have followed up. OK. And offered assistance. Offered assistance. OK. All right.

So it might be. But yeah, it would be great if it just showed up. It would be great. Ah, perfect. Tailgate. Yeah, right. That's what I'm saying. Um, okay. My so my my cool thrown was Doug Gottlieb. My hot seat is, uh, Eric Adams, New York mayor, our former mayor. Um, did you guys see this clip? It's not going to be as funny as when he went through that room showing like, here's look, it's an eight ball of cocaine. Look behind this pillow. Oh, it's a gun.

It's not as funny. That was the funniest clip. It's more like, what did he just say? He was essentially saying that we have to find a way to have illegal immigrants get jobs in New York and in America. And he said they're excellent swimmers. Why can't we have a lifeguard shortage? Okay. Did he really say that? Eric Adams is a fucking maniac.

He said that. He's fucking crazy. The woman next to him was like, kind of did like a wait, wait, what? What did you just say? Um, yeah, they're excellent swimmers. They're excellent swimmers and we have a lifeguard shortage Here's a clip jobs that we are in high demand We could expedite How do we have a large body of people that are in our city and country that are excellent swimmers And at the same time we need lifeguards. That's like a wind horse.

I just figured out the whole, the whole illegal immigrants situation. That is wild. Lifeguards. Wild. Maniac. How do you even know there's a lifeguard shortage? Where like, Oh yeah. Of all the things that you're dealing with as the mayor of New York, in why I can't imagine lifeguard shortages is anywhere on any list. What even, like the East river?

We're not talking about Long Island. He's the mayor of New York city. Correct. There's, uh, there's one beach in Staten Island. There was one, like, there's probably nobody that wants to work there. Yeah. There was one little like rocky beach, uh, where I used to live in Brooklyn on the East River

Didn't need a lifeguard. There's no one went in the water. There's Coney Island. Yep. Okay, that's oh, that's fair Coney Island Coney, I got a higher people for Coney Island We forgot about gotta watch out for the Coney Island box jellyfish Which are just filled diapers that are floating out in the water 50 lifeguards gotta get you over the hump for the shortage Yeah, like how many good start how many how many could you really need there's that other island George's island no governor's island no no there's another no it's not it's not us no okay we're just naming islands boys we got it hey that's the first island that came to your mind a lot

islands out there buddy there you're having a bad show oh I guess I guess is block island part of New York City no that's like Rhode Island no what's the one where fire yeah yeah yeah yeah fire island fire island I think that's long island that's long yeah yeah it's looking like it's might be, it might be part of also there's pools in central park. So they actually did build a pool in Dumbo too in the East river, which is real like kind of fucked up. They built a pool inside the water. Yeah. It's one of the ones that has the, uh, the divider in between. So you're in the, in the East River, but not in the East River water.

Rockaway Beach is what I was looking for. There it is. It's that little fucking thing that comes out. Yeah. And they got Coney Island. Yeah. Manhattan Beach. Okay. So there's a couple. They're excellent swimmers. Excellent swimmers. That was a little... We got a... That was a little New York geography for everyone. Yeah. All right, Jake. By the way, Jake, great job on the call. Thank you guys. You're Yeah. Yes. It was awesome. Um, also I liked your a tick tock when you showed us behind the scenes and like you're all your prep. It's a fucking lot of work. It is. Yeah. Jake, I thought you did a great job this weekend. Um, congratulations on the real two on second. That 17 and Saga. That was great.

As a great real two, Jake. Yeah, emphasizing the real two because people threw allegations that the one was not real. So that's why. That's why I said it. That's why I said it. That's why you said it. But people are twisting and trying

to stir the pot for me saying it to a PFT one. I would never do that. Well, PFT did hit it on the green and said, that's a two. Yeah. Because Berman said it. So people were saying, well, it's kind of a two yeah, because Berman said it so people were saying well It's kind of a fake. You know actually nobody said it was a fake too at the time now Everyone's saying it's a fake too because Jake said his was a real too

Real if Berman tell us the most hard emphasis on real ever heard it was a hater. It was a hard R I think you should go right at PFT like Pft. You're a pussy. I got a real Hey is anybody out there shocked that max has an opinion about the number two And finishing it second clogging your toilet. People forget you clogged your toilet. Never did that. Chris blooded your entire mouth off. I have done that. It's a two if you hit it on the green.

You did that, so that's a real rule. Yeah, hit it to 15 feet. That's not a real rule. No, it's a boomer rule, and so I'm going to count it. Boomer says it's a two, it's a two. So you got a real two. But Jake was a real two. But Jake was a real two.

You got a boomer two, he got a real two. No, he's being a real asshole Jake how far away from the pen was your shot it was about 27 feet. Oh, that's cute jake It's good the good news is you could win this argument if we just do like another two hours of this show because we'll die in here No, it's a good shot jake and if you guys was happy for you Thank you if I was happy for you. Until you said real to. I would just probably join you.

No, if you were responsible... I'm the only one who's not killing myself in this movie today. I don't want that. That's the easy way out. If you were responsible for our deaths, you'd have to strap a bomb and go to the NFL headquarters. No, you'd have to do a show first. And then people would really lay down thick. Do a live stream. At the end of this podcast. I will detonate myself. Oh that would be electric get so many numbers Holy shit

That's too far. That's all that we are killer. Should that be our NFL bet this year? If you guys all died Jake and I would put out a banger the next day no you oh, yeah banger What would you talk about your death? Okay? That's true It would be like ten minutes be like yeah, they died roast last show ever yeah, but people would listen No, the bet should be somebody should get shot Fletcher part of the thigh no What? Sopranos did it Yeah,. Someone should get Phil leotard out.

He's got to do the gas. The gas station. Oh, I like that. I like that. If we blur it out, I'm willing to do that to completion. Yeah. No, I don't know. If we blur that video out that we put out, I'm willing to have that be the stakes. We'll talk about it. I mean that'd be so funny if someone had to put a fucking gas up their ass while they tried to jerk off. You actually let yourself on fire. Somebody's like he died protesting a noble cause. No he's jacking off at a gas station. No no no you don't understand this is because we did four picks on Christmas Day I lost because of that Okay

Go ahead yet My hot seat is a campbell Zach Campbell has some competition because something crazy had happened in Seattle last night And this guy wasn't planning on it, but he caught a foul ball on back-to-back pitches Wow in the same exact spot. That might be harder than like the lottery, a hole in one. Like it's crazy. It's crazy. Crazy. Crazy. Is that more impressive than Fernando Tatis hitting two grand slams in the same inning? I think so. I think it is. I think it might be.

Cause how many people go to... Because that's complete luck. Yeah, not to use you have to have some skill. So that's just crazier. Yeah, no, that's insane. Did he actually catch both of them? Um, it may have bounced, but either way. He caught the first one off his chest. Yeah, because I was gonna say that skill too. If he actually caught both of them. And then here's the second one. I think the second one he had to bend down. Yeah, second one looked like it bounced right in front of him. But that's insane. It was nuts.

When I saw it, I was like, Jesus Christ. And you're right, Zach Hample is definitely like, he's gonna use that as motivation. It's not him. Okay, so this guy's wearing a real low fitting hat. He's got big sunglasses on. Nobody else has sunglasses in the crowd. There's a chance that this guy was like skipping

out on work and trying to lay low at the ballpark and then he caught two foul balls back to find them and then no chance he gets away with it now yeah yeah so that was crazy uh michael oh wait breaking moose breaking moves i have uh received a response to our payment request. Mm-hmm. I'm not allowed to pay off gambling debts Good response. Oh, that is a good situation. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's a very good response by Jared. Oh He'll pass some money That's that's that's smart. It's a that's a great response. Yeah. Mm hmm.

Yeah. And then I want to respond being like, I swear it's not gambling deaths, but. It is. Yeah. Okay. You're cool. The cool thing, we talk about it with Shane Bacon a little bit, but the AWL is because the PGA championship put Brooks Koepka, Max Homa in the same group.

Yes. Love it. Yeah. Our guys. And Spieth, who's just in the same group. Yes. Love it. Our guys. And Spieth, who's just an absolute wild card. Yeah, but Spieth is definitely a name that you look at and you're like, oh, what if?

For sure. No, yeah, he's- Seven years ago. He'll either be like crazy erratic or crazy hot, but he's an entertaining, he's a super entertaining golfer. He just better play fast. They both play fast. I saw people saying,

Brooks is gonna have to walk slow. I don't know, I don't know about the I don't know if this is true I don't know if this is true. I don't want to say this on the record, but I am They were saying that that spieth and max are both really fast So they were joking Brooks has to gonna is gonna have to walk slow. He's gonna have to try and slow himself down. Oh I think they're too fast for I think Brooks will go as fast as anyone will allow him to. Yeah, he just steps up and hits it sometimes. Yeah. All right. The PGA account should take a picture of them and say what do you think these guys are talking about? Yeah. They're probably talking about us. Yeah.

Definitely talking about us. That's all, if you've been on the show one time, that's all you ever think about. They're probably like on the show one time, that's all you ever think about. They're probably like, can you believe that Max thought PFT was talking about two sodas when he was really talking about him finishing second in everything? Yeah, he'll definitely say that. Or maybe they're like, can you believe that Jake's trying to kill them via the thermostat?

Yeah, or maybe they get a birdie on a par three. That was a real two, Max. Yeah. Yeah. OK, all right, let's like to get a birdie on a par three that was a real two Okay, all right, let's get to our interviews we've got great interviews woge and then we got that wrong that's okay We're not a fact-check podcast. You never have been. Yeah, they're slow. Oh, okay firm slow. God damn it. That's bad I didn't say it on the record. So you got it totally wrong. Yeah. That's why it's... But no, no, no, he got it kind of half right by being wrong

because Brooks will be walking slow so that he can not stand over his ball for a long time. Yes. Apologies. Do you wish that they, on golf courses, Hank, the holes were a little bit smaller? Teeny tiny? Wish they were bigger. I wish it was like the soccer

golf holes. Tiny hole. It's a big old hole. All right. Let's get it. Because there's 18 of them. He wishes there was maybe one less couple less. Let's get to our interview. Woj and Shane Bacon. Before we get to Woj, he's brought to you by Priceline. When it comes to travel, every family has a happy place, a five-star resort with a kids' club or an all-inclusive by the beach. I love a good all-inclusive resort. So good. A little pro tip if you go to all-inclusive, stick to the beer.

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I was going to say, because I have to ask before we even get started, we've had Schefter on many times. He's a good friend of ours. Will you be looking at your phone in case there's any breaking news while you're recording this? Because Schefter gets nervous when he has to do an hour long interview. I'm going to ask you, if you're going to be able to do that, what are you going to do to get the interview done? I'm going to be doing a lot of interviews. I'm going to be doing a lot of interviews. I'm going to be doing a lot of interviews. I'm going to be doing a lot of interviews.

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an hour long of not looking at his phone. It'll probably be Schefter chasing fantasy basketball injury information. That's what wakes me up at three in the morning. Is that maniac? Do you have any beef with him? I have a lot of beef with him You know what he's a one man the NBA, but you know what like there'll be times. I'm embarrassed that I'm like

I'm not on top of that injury. Yes. Yeah, like hey is so-and-so coming back and I'm like shit I didn't realize he was out for two games. So he's he's on it. There's no one like him What about when he dips his toes into NBA news? Are you like get off or do you give that to him? Do you give him a little morsel just to keep him happy? Because you should start doing it to him. I'm sure you have NFL contacts. No, no. None?

He loves doing that every year. And he always, he's wanted to trade off. I'm saying, I do not want to break NFL news. That's for you. But he's dipped his toe in. There may or may not have been a negotiation on a couple veteran minimums in Toronto over time where Adam was ready to jump in. Yeah.

I mean, you should just do it one time in the NFL just to let people know that you can do it. You could do it. That's a possibility. And then it would actually be good for Schefter because it would make him work harder because he'd be like, shit. He should work harder. Yeah. He doesn't work hard enough. That's a possibility. And then it would actually be good for Schefter because it would make him work harder because he'd be like, he should work harder. Yeah, he doesn't work hard enough.

That's the one thing they say about Adam Schefter, doesn't work hard enough. Do you guys ever compare screen time on your phones? I think he has you beat cause he's got, doesn't he have a couple? He has two phones. Yeah. You have two phones? I have two phones.

I got a new one like two months ago and I haven't figured out how to turn it on yet. Okay. Because ESPN gives you a number you have your own phone Which I just kept that number and there's an ESPN phone and I couldn't remember what the number was And so I brought it to our tech people I'm like, can you get this thing turned on and then they couldn't the one day I took it back and it's been sitting In my bag not turn I should probably get that one turned on by

Reagency this is a very relatable story that like the most powerful phone in all of them You can't get a second one on one. Yeah as long as one's on Yeah, can I say something about screen time? Yeah gives a fuck. I agree. I don't look at it Who gives a fuck I agree how much screen time you have? Yeah, they try to shame us. That's all it is It's like they're yeah my screen time on a college football Saturday is gonna be insane. I've never turned, I know that's part of the app, right? Yeah.

I've never turned that on. Smart. It's like NBA teams bragging about cap space. Yeah. And how many draft picks we have, we're gonna hang banners. Yeah. Like, cares about your screen time.

I know. I do think you probably have, across all of Twitter, X, whatever they're calling it, you are probably the guy that has the most people who have notifications turned on. So like when you tweet anything, there's millions of phones across the country that, but you're essentially texting all of America right now. And then if I tweet like a sub tweet about us getting a recruit at St. Bonaventure, everybody's like, yeah, we don't care man.

We don't care. We don't care. We don't stick to the script here. I know. We want the news. But I do, and so, but I always, I know those are coming. I try to be kind of judicious with, like, I know people have notifications, but, you know, once in a while I stray from character.

You should do one that's just like eating a cheeseburger. Just like, or something, you know, like whatever you're doing at that moment, just be like watching, watching some TV. We were in the office the other day and I asked, we were in studio, I asked Perk and Malika, I said, how much would you pay me to tweet this out? And I texted both of them and said, have it here. I said, how much would you, I said, I said it would be my last day at ESPN. It was my last day, I said, let me find this, let me find these two guys. I like to watch, doesn't fully know how to work his foot.

There it is, okay, no, no, no, okay, okay. I texted Perkin Malik-Anders, I said, I'm gonna tweet this out, you ready? Said Kendrick Perkins is finalizing a four year, $26.8 million deal to become the next coach at the Los Angeles Lakers. Source to tell ESPN. I said to them, what would happen in the next coach at Los Angeles Lakers. So let's just tell ESPN. I said to them, what would happen in the next five minutes?

Oh man. I mean, people would have to run with it. Yeah. It would be like CBS breaking news. I had the number. It seemed 26.8. Yeah, that's about right. He's got the details.

Yeah. So speaking of the Lakers, is JJ Reddick going to get that job? He's a real candidate. Yeah? And this just kind of happened out of, I mean, we know JJ and we've had him on a bunch. Like I know that he's, he's very successful in media and now it feels like all this momentum going like, oh, he wants to coach. I can't speak for him about his level of interest.

I think all of these things have intrigued him because I mean, he's so talented. He could do whatever he wants, but there's no question there's an interest on the Lakers part. They've been making calls about him, trying to, I know there hasn't been anything with him. They haven't really met with any candidates yet. They're gonna start this week calling for permission on guys.

I think they're gonna take their time with this search. There's no like obvious candidates right now for, I think especially the teams who are trying to win, who are win now teams, there just aren't like obvious candidates out there, we're like, you know, especially Booth and Hoser being off the board championship coach, where I think teams are having to be creative with how they look at this.

And so look at a lot of different guys, but you know, listen, if he wanted to be a GM, there'd be interest in him and talking to him, head coach and, you know, my, maybe my greatest claim to fame in this when it's over is I started JJ on the podcast. Yeah. When I was at Yahoo! The Vertical, I said to him, you know, we're starting this site

alongside Yahoo! The Vertical. You want to write some stories during the season about like being a player, trade deadline, what that's like. And he's like, that'll feel like homework and I'd like be worried about it I'm not doing that. So I get it and I was like, how about a podcast and He goes, let me think about a couple days and he came back first podcast He did it with Steve Nash and I'm like and Steve Nash was up for I think his name was being talked about maybe to be The president in Phoenix at that time and so I'm like should I just say to JJ?

Hey, you might want to bring that up with them, see how he reacts. I'm like, I'm not going to tell him what to do. Do what you want. So they send the audio of the pod. Hey, welcome to JJ Reddick here with Steve Nash. Hey, you can take that president's job in Phoenix. I was like, oh, this guy's going to be.

Yeah. All right. So you should get some residuals from JJ's podcasting career. I probably should check out that. He's with LeBron now. I think the Lakers have had conversations with JJ Reddick. There's a podcast out there where it's LeBron. Yeah, that's true. They're talking on a weekly basis about basketball and what the Lakers do sometimes. Yeah. He might just play that as his interview. Yeah. And like I get along with your star. Yeah. For a guy like JJ, do you think that he could make that transition to being a head coach? He's not been a head coach before. He's studied the game, obviously. He's been an analyst, but there's a lot of stuff that goes into coaching a team that is not anything that he has any background in.

A ton of stuff. And I think he can do it. It has been done, but I think it's really, I think it's harder than ever to be a head coach in the NBA. I think in a lot of cases, you have less power and say over what's going on. I'm like, in a lot of places, you talk about like the pecking order of power.

It's like the owner, the owner's kid who is inheriting the team, right? The owner, the owner's kid, they're ahead of you. The president GM of the team's ahead of you. The star player's ahead of you. And the star player's agent is probably ahead of you. the star players ahead of you, and the star players agent is probably ahead of you. Yeah. And say, and maybe even your second best player in his agent, you're like seventh or eighth, ninth. That's crazy. And like not in every case. We know the guys who

have, who've won big, have big voice, but I think it's harder than ever to coach in the league. It takes more, but in terms of just the organization, staff, how to build out your staff and practice plans and all of the things, it's not just drawn up plays. And then being able to get buy-in from an NBA locker room is hard. Yeah. So when it comes to the Lakers and Suns jobs, and I know, look, if you get, there's only 30 of these jobs, so if someone gets offered the job, they're going to take the job. But is there any feel going forward that like a Lakers or sons job, aging superstars,

is there any feel like this might be just a death sentence? Because whatever, I mean, we've seen it with Frank Vogel and Darwin Ham. Like you're the one who gets blamed. It's not the players. It's you. So you like if you walk into that job and you don't have success right away, it's gonna be you, not anyone else. Yeah, and listen, if you're Frank Vogel and you signed a five-year deal in Phoenix last year,

and you get whacked after one year, you're walking away with four years of guaranteed money, Darvin Ham had a four-year deal, makes it two years, goes to the Western Finals wins what 47 games this year. And Mike Budenhoz or five year deal, you know, about 11, you know, 10, $11 million a year. I think there's more of a runway with the Lakers. I think the Suns is like more of a you know what happens in the NBA if you if they have another season this year like next, like they did this season,

then it's like, does everybody wanna stay there? Do guys wanna start moving? Do you have to trade guys? So you know you have this like very tiny window. They don't have hardly any of their draft picks assets. They don't have young players that they have coming up. The Lakers have, I think, a longer runway. They could make a big trade this summer

and get like a real significant player. AD still in his prime. You know, Austin Reeves, there's more in place. And if you get in a position in three years where let's say LeBron retires in two, three years, you can, if you create a max salary spot with the Lakers, come on, you're getting somebody. Right.

Guys are always going to want to play them. You always can get them. Yeah, that's true. That's a good point. So with LeBron, going back to 2010, you and LeBron, your careers tied closely to LeBron's in that respect. Talk about what happened in 2010 with him and what path that sent you on. It changed my job.

It changed how you cover the NBA, like what an insider was. I went to Yahoo in 2007. I was a suburban newspaper columnist, Bergen Record in New Jersey, home of Diana Rossini. Good reporter. She was the great reporter. Great reporter. She used to date the guy who used to cut my hair,

my kids' hair in town. I remember him telling me, I'm dating this reporter from Channel 2 or Channel 4 in New York City. I'm like, wow. And it turned out to be Racini. Yeah. Turned out to be, she's a great Diana Racini.

She's a crowd of reporters, yeah. She is. Yeah. But I was just a suburban newspaper columnist. I went to Yahoo. Dan Wetzel, who you guys know, one of the greats. Yeah. Dan was at Yahoo and who you guys know, one of the greats. Dan was at Yahoo, and there was an NBA job open.

And I take that in 07, but by 2010, Twitter's come along, like where now people are, or maybe it was 10 or 11, but now there's like sort of this instant scorecard of breaking news. But that free agency changed everything. It changed how people covered the sport and the attention there was on like, there had been Team USA,

guys were talking about getting together. And now like the off season, it was almost like what college football, college basketball is, right? You had the sport and then you had recruiting and they're like two separate things. And the deals and like the team building became a huge part of it and LeBron made it okay for guys to say I'm gonna go play wherever I want with who I want to play with and

That he took a lot of shit from a lot of people about going to Miami Winning with that group and building super teams and he it like, I don't know if Kevin Durant could have done what he did with Golden State if LeBron hadn't done it. Right, right. And so, but it changed the job and it changed how you approached it. And like, there's lots of different ways

to cover basketball. Everybody has their strengths and come at it from a different point of view. That's why like you want to read it all, you want to hear it all. Like everybody doesn't have to do it exactly the same. Why would you want them to? And I think it created,

but there was just this unbelievable appetite for information. Unbelievable appetite. Because every trade now was, hey, that's clearing $12 million in cap space. Now they've got a max slot, and they're going to trade this guy and this guy, and they're going to create two max slots,

and now what two guys are they gonna get? And then that became a frenzy every year. Then the next year you had Chris Paul pushing his way out of New Orleans, you had Carmelo Anthony pushing his way out of Denver, and the owners were all shitting, the small market owners were like, we can't control in these small markets, the

ability to keep great players here. They want to go to the major markets and now the league's kind of taken out away with this new salary cap. They're going to force guys, unless they want to take way less money, they're going to force players to spread around the league. Yeah. Which it does feel like the super team is kind of not dying, but it feels like this playoffs especially, you have a lot more homegrown teams that are going.

Yeah, like you can have a super team, but you better have drafted them. Like Phoenix were two or your three great players you've had to trade for. When you do that, you've gassed all your picks, all your young guys, and you had this top heavy roster that doesn't work, where Denver, Jokic, Michael Porter, Joanne Murray, they drafted all three, they traded for Aaron Gordon, they've never had to like do that four first round pick deal that just takes all your young guys out. Minnesota, they traded for one of the three, right?

Right. And Boston drafted, right, they traded for one of the three, right? Right. And Boston drafted, right? They drafted Tatum Brown. And lose their, now. Yeah, I mean, Derek White, they were able to trade for. But like even Porzingis was traded for Marcus Smart. Yeah, yeah. But you have two stars that you traded for.

And like the third guy is not like a transcendent. They have like all-star level guys. That's how you have to do it. If you have to just guess all your picks to do it, you probably don't have a roster that's strong enough. Yeah. So with Porzingis, glad we brought him up. Oh yeah.

You said that he's going to miss a minimum of several games. We've been spending. We've extended past that. We've, oh, okay. So what's the maximum? Maximum of several plus? He's past the minimum, right? What is several games? We brought this tweet up maybe every single episode since you tweeted it

Because what the hell does it mean? Several games is a vague cop-out. Yeah, and it's a minimum It's a vague. It's a vague comp Is several is several three is it seven right? I'm not saying's just the minimum. We don't know what the maximum is. So, I think the hope is that he could be back potentially in a conference final that it was gonna come that this series was unlikely. And now they're three one, yeah, three one.

So, and then maybe it buys them some time. But, you know, those calf injuries are tricky. Like they just, they're tricky. So for everybody, the return isn't, it's not uniform. It's hard to say it's gonna be 10 days. It's gonna be two weeks. But you know, the sense was it was gonna be the series, but it looks like they, especially with Donovan Mitchell

out last night, that was a huge blow for them. That Boston's got enough probably to get past them. Have people been responding to your minimum of several games? Because I know, I mean, it was a very funny way to phrase it. I hope you use it again. It's just a great way to put an injury timetable, because there is no timetable.

We just know that he won't play the next game. It's really all it is. It's not day to day. It's a minimum of several games. Several is five. Several is five. Oh, five. Several is four to seven.

Four to seven. OK. OK. Five to eight. Because yeah, eight feels like it would's four to seven. Four to seven. Okay. Five to eight. Because yeah, eight feels like it would be a minimum of a lot of games. That's more than several. That's several plus. Several plus, I like.

Maybe next time if someone has a month or two month injury, just say a minimum of a lot of games. That would be the way to phrase it. Extended periods is another one. What's extended? Can you say week to week? Does that work? I hate week to week. But day. What's extended? Can you say week to week? Does that work?

I hate week to week. But day to day, that's one thing. Week to week. Week to week is several. You can say week to week. Here's the one where you know it's, they're going to reevaluate in two weeks, three weeks. Yeah. They reevaluate that thing every single day.

What do you think? Like, hey, next Thursday we're going to bring them back into the doctor. They're pouring over these guys every day, but what the teams know is if we say reevaluated in three weeks or four weeks, it buys them time. They don't have to answer the question every day. Right. Hey, how's Porzingis doing? We're going to reevaluate them next Friday.

Yeah. No, they're going to reevaluate them next hour and then three hours, then after lunch again, but- Yeah. We're not going to answer the question until next Friday. Yeah. That's right. We're not going to answer the question until next Friday. Yeah. That's right. We're not going to answer the question until then. So the LeBron 2010 year was huge for your career.

What was, besides LeBron, who's the one player that like, if you didn't have them and the way they treated you, you wouldn't be where you are today? Kobe. Yeah? He gave me credibility covering the NBA. What, just by answering your questions and talking to you? Just by talking to me. Wow.

Yeah. He would give me a lot of access. He was so, he understood, however we hit it off, but he also understood before a lot of people covering the NBA, that when I was covering the NBA, how big of a reach Yahoo Sports had. Like back then, and Yahoo's still significant, there's tremendous people there.

I had a great, I loved my time there. People I worked with passing there, obviously Wetz great, I loved my time there. People I worked with, Passin there, obviously Wetzel, a lot of other guys. But Coby understood the reach of it. Like back then it was, that was the homepage for like on the internet. You logged into the internet and it was like, you got your mail there, you saw the, you know, what the weather was going to be. If somebody looked at their stocks, it was all there. Like that was sort of the, like everybody's home page. So if you got stories out on the front of that, it was like a fire hose. And so he got that, he got the reach of it,

but him talking to me, him giving me access, him, you know, he would sometimes say when he wanted to get something off his chest, it would always be like a cold Midwestern city in the winter. Can you get to Minneapolis? Can you meet me in Indianapolis? It was always like a place they might city in the winter, can you get to Minneapolis? Can you meet me in Indianapolis? It was always like a place they might be in for a day, plus it was never meet me in Miami.

Yeah. Sometimes it was LA and then, and so it gave me tremendous, it just made, it expedited things for me. I think people saw, well, if he's talking to them, it gave me credibility with players, with everybody, agents. And so that was, he was huge for my career. Was it anything besides Yahoo? Like, did you, was it like he just kind of liked you? Because it does feel like we always talk about it.

I think he understood the platform. But we, you know, he liked someone who was competitive and, and you know, he liked that I was competitive in my job. He always wanted to talk about it. He always wanted to talk about competing, how you do things. And he loved that part of it. He understood like so much about my job, his world. I remember this. I remember talking.

I would always try to talk him out of getting on Twitter. I said, Colby, Twitter's for small talk. You don't do small talk. You do big proclamations. I knew the minute he got on Twitter, he didn't need to talk to me all the time. Smart. Yeah. It's like what he did at the time. Ah, smart, yeah. Yeah, it's like what he did at the Olympics. He would go, you know, he'd spend,

when he was older, like 2012, he was on the team with Westbrook, Durant, I don't know if Durant was there, Westbrook was there, I'm trying to remember if Durant was at the Olympics, I don't know if he was. 2012, he would spend the entire time like telling Russ, guys would tell me,

why are you letting KD win scoring titles? You should be winning scoring titles. And if he could just send Russ back to Oklahoma City with that thought in his mind, if it would just throw OKC off just a little bit. But they were at the point where the Lakers were now where they were passing them. Yeah. But everywhere he was, he had a, you know,

he looked at how he could take a situation and manipulate it to his. And compete. Yeah. Compete. Get an edge. So you mentioned it. I'd have to imagine like all the players having podcasts

That kind of sucks for your job now because they're just reporting their own news. I Don't know if I guys are report Pat Bev is yeah have Bev is you had to credit his pocket I know you subscribe I do subscribe. Okay, I'm scared. I was gonna we're gonna have to end this whole I'll tell you I texted him. So he were I because I was texting with him yesterday, I just hit him on something, and I saw the text sitting there and I was laughing. So this was March 28th.

So let's see, he got waved. Why was he, was he a, was he a, oh no, it was the injury. Yeah. It was the injury. Yeah, his wrist. Oh, here it was, yeah. I said, it was good, here you go. Hey Pat, how did it go yesterday?

Any sense yet on next steps? He goes, I will break my own news, thanks was, yeah. I said, it was good. Here you go. Hey Pat, how did it go yesterday? Any since yet on Next Steps? He goes, I will break my own news. Thanks though, Wil. I said, well, I'll be watching for it. I love him. I love Pat. Yeah, so-

I did one of my favorite podcasts ever in the city of Chicago. He was probably on, he's probably been on my pod maybe in the past, maybe three or four times different place. But we were in Chicago and he said we were gonna do it. It was one of the off seasons. And he got a deal on a boat. It was over in, I don't know what the- One of the harbors, yeah.

Harbour. And so he was like, if you just say the name, just when you introduced me, you gotta say what boat we are on, what company, because he was gonna get, I think it was something like he was gonna get like a free five hours to go around the harbor. And so we're, like the sun's beating down.

It's like the middle of the day, it was fine. So we're out there, the audio, imagine the audio sitting out on the deck of a boat. It's not great. And the sun's beating down on us. And we're sitting on the deck of this. It's not a yacht, it was just, it was a boat and we do the podcast out there and it was like, all I could think of was that honorage where they were like Rufus from member

Rufus from home, home solutions. And Johnny drama had the hat on sitting on the couch. I was like, whatever name of the boat was, but I left town. He went out and had like a whole day on the beat. I think he got it for free. I had to say the name of the boat was, but I left town. He went out and had like a whole day on the, I think he got it for free. Yeah. I had to say the name of the, He's like, I'm telling you,

what would you just gonna say your company? Yeah. It's gonna go to millions of people. I got this. It was gonna go to millions of people, but it went to somebody. Yeah. So we got to talk about the James Harden situation

where you broke the James Harden news. You were gonna get on a plane and what time was your flight? So I usually make my flights, like I fly a lot Newark to LA. I try to do it, there's a 7.30 PM, there's an 8.30. I leave as late as I can. So I'm in the air for the least amount of time

that shit could happen, news can happen. And when I fly back, I either fly back on a 9.00 PM Pacific flight. So that's midnight eastern, or the 11 o'clock. So I know like in that range, it's pretty rare. Middle of the night, something's gonna break, but I don't wanna be on a plane in the middle of the day

where like sometimes wireless works, sometimes it doesn't. But whatever the time was, I wanna say maybe it was a 6.30, it was a 6.30 or 7.30 flight, because I remember I got to the airport around like just about an hour before my flight. And I got a sense from the teams that like this trade could happen tonight.

And I said to one of them, I've got a flight leaves it. I don't know if it was 630 or 730, maybe it was 730. Should I get on that flight? They're like, I wouldn't get on that flight like weekend. I'm like, okay. So I just go up to the, you know, you got that United Lounge set up in there. And I'm like, I know, I'm just not taking the flight.

And so I'm gonna sit here and wait until this thing goes down, if it's gonna go down. And then at like 10.30, you're like, the United Lounge is closed, get out of here. Yeah. Right, get out. So then I go down into that, I go down the escalator, and then there's like just the Open seating right so now it's like

11 12 1 so I texted my wife at some point. I'm like hey I'm probably coming back home tonight like 6 a.m. Whatever. We'll figure it out, but I'll just like whatever Probably like yeah, so anyway, so then it, but then I realized I got to a point where I saw like my flight landed in LA and the trade salon happened. I was like, son of a bitch. I could have been on it. And then it's like, now you get to,

I got to center like, hey listen, it's probably gonna be around. They were waiting for somebody to get in. I'm gonna, I don't know. There's finally, it was like, this is gonna be like around 2 a.m. You're gonna be able to put this out. And so now like the Zamboni machine's

like running through the airport, right? The big machine that's cleaning the thing. So it's just me and that guy going up and down. And then like some guys got off some late flights and they're sort of looking at me like, and he sort of recognized me. He's like, what is this guy sitting in an empty, a couple of guys, like, what is he doing here?

I'm just here. And so finally 2 a.m. That thing got done. And then by the time I got done, it was like 3.30 a.m. I packed up, took a Uber back home 30 minutes and then came back and flew the next day. You still got it.

That must've been like, I can still do this all hours of the night. And try to stay awake. Yeah, right. If you ever see Wode just sitting by himself somewhere, you know that some shit somewhere You know that some shit someone's about to get traded. Yeah, something's happening Yeah, that's 100% gonna happen. Yeah the I mean that's that just shows. I mean you guys how many hours a night do you sleep? You know Like this idea that like listen during like free agency or trade deadline. It's minimal

Yeah, the rest of the year this idea that like you can't sleep as an inside. It's like it's minimal. The rest of the year, this idea that like, you can't sleep as an insider, it's like, it's bullshit. It's like, there's a lot of, I think some people wanna create a lot of mythology around this thing, like, there's a lot of demanding jobs. Like, around that time, right, you know what they are. Free agency, trade deadline. Draft.

Draft, the two nights thing is brutal now. Yeah. Because now you get up, well usually you could, the draft ends, you know, it's five, six hours on that podium and if you have to go to the bathroom, you can't leave that podium, like during it. And so it does cut down that. Yeah.

As I get older, because I gotta go at some point. But the idea though, that as soon as that thing's over at pick 30, teams are gonna start making trades for the next day. Like you're gonna be up that like, that's not what I'm whining about it. But like, but I get why we want to do the two days and listen to Bronte is, yeah, like, I wonder if the league will send a memo out and say, hey, like we need him for the second night. Yeah, don't be taking them.

Yeah. 30, right? But, but who knows when he could get picked. And so I do think having Brawny in this probably, if he makes it to the second night is, I mean, that'll be the story, right? Yeah. Do you think that there is going to be a team that takes a chance on Brawny just in the hopes that maybe LeBron will come play for this team later?

I don't think it's going to be to get LeBron. I think it'll be because they see some value in him. I don't think, you know, Rich Paul has said this to me since March, maybe February, March, and you said on the record, like, this isn't about pairing them up. They want to find the best place for Bronte, place that's focused on development, that has a good track record, is a young player. The Lakers are not really a developmental program, they're a win now team, right?

And so their thing was if it lines up, it's organic and it happens great, but the mission isn't to get them together. And if Lebron goes to, or if Brony goes to, I don't know, name the city, Toronto, Charlotte, Indiana. Philadelphia. Yeah, like, you know, is it a team that like could, even they'd have to force a trade, right?

Because free agency is not gonna work, they're not gonna have cap space. He's a 50, $60 million a year player. I don't think it's about that. But I think, I saw Bronnie play last year in person in Portland at that Nike Hoops Summit. He looked, he was a real prospect, he was. Now, he's not a superstar, he's a role player,

but he does a lot of things really smart. He really guards, great court sense. How you would imagine LeBron Sundby? Just incredible basketball IQ, athletic enough. He really shot the ball well yesterday. It's not a stretch to imagine him in the NBA. Do I think he's an NBA star? No. But there are a lot of role players

who look exactly the same as Bronny James at that age, but he has the heart issue. He misses five months of playing, and so then he's limited in the production at USC. But if anybody took five months off, and I'm sure there's a mental hurdle in returning from that, but he looked great yesterday. And I don't think though selecting him or signing him

is people think it's a ticket to LeBron. I don't feel that. Yeah. All right, I got the hardest question for you in this entire interview. Oh, geez. Do you know the name Rico Bosco? I got the hardest question for you in this entire interview. Oh, jeez. Do you know the name Rico Bosco? I know the name Rico Bosco.

Okay. I want to hear your perspective of this because Rico's crazy. I love him, but he's crazy. For people who don't know, Rico had a 12-year grudge against Woj. Felt like 112 years. Yeah, and you're like, wow, 12 years, Woege must have done something really bad. Well, not really. Woege DM'd Rico back in 2011 when Rico was saying that Danny Hurley was the next up coach and all these other schools should try to hire him. Woege sent him a DM saying, I know him pretty well.

He isn't leaving the state of New Jersey. I promise you. He stayed in high school for nine years, turned down a lot of jobs. I'm right. Obviously Danny Hurley left the state of New Jersey. I'm right. I thought it was leaving Wagner to go to URI, wasn't it? No. Well, here's what's interesting about the recrusted players. He lived in New Jersey when he coached at Wagner. Yeah. Initially I didn't think he didn't think he was going to take the URI, but then they offered. But here's what's interesting about it. We have the screenshot from Woj.

We don't have the screenshot of what Rico sent you to elicit that response. True. So that's interesting. Were you aware that he was just tweeting about it? Because the other part- I don't remember, I don't remember the circumstances around it. You know, I saw my screenshot for, like I said, 112 years being posted.

Yeah. It got worse and worse, like the quality of this. Yeah, yeah. It just got, yeah, it was just so, but it was, you're right, he was at Wagner, he was living in New Jersey. It was Wagner to URI, because I remember at the time

when I had conversations with Danny, I'm like, you can make, I think you can jump to the Big East from Wagner with what he was doing there. I didn't think he had to go to URI, but I was wrong. He took it. We were talking about it. I remember talking about it with him then. I'm like, I don't think you have to take an Atlantic 10 job.

Now also, I want to keep him out of the fucking Atlantic 10. Yeah, because you're St. Bonnie's guy. So there was some agenda there. Yeah. There was some agenda there. So this was a private DM that Rico has now made it. He was like, for the longest time, he's like, won't apologize to me. I was like, but it was a private message. And I actually, a few months ago we asked him, he was like, if Woj had apologized privately, would you have accepted

it? And he said no, because then he would still have to carry the embarrassment of having a private apology for something Rico made public. At any point in the last 12 years, you're like, what is this guy doing? What is he talking about? I knew what he was talking about. But yeah, I'll do it here. I apologize that Danny Hurley left Wagner. Oh, I like how you phrase that.

And he didn't stay in a Northeast Conference. I like that. Where he would have dominated. Yeah. He might have won a national championship at Wagner. Yeah. He's very smart. You're not apologizing to Rico Bosco. You're apologizing the Danny Hurley lesson.

He got a lot of mileage out of that bit. Oh, I mean, yeah. And so I respect this. By the way, it was not a bit. He's crazy like that. He came up. He saw me at the garden. Yeah, we made him.

I made him go. Because he was like, whoa, just stay there. So my wife is sitting next to me. So I've known Dusty May for, when I did a book on the Hurleys, I did this Miracle of St. Anthony 20 years ago, 20 years ago this year. And Dusty was a young assistant at Indiana and he came to recruit St. Anthony's

and I got to know him and known him since. So we were at the garden to go see them in the Tennessee game, Sweet 16. And so my wife and I were sitting, I don't know, just courtside and his family was there. And she doesn't know anything about this thing. Like she's not which is good. Healthy. That's how she doesn't. She barely even knows what I do for a living. Just live it. Hang out at

airports. And so he came up and I don't remember what he said like, Hey, and she was on the guy. Yeah, and she was like half listening, like, because sometimes people came up and I don't remember what he said, like, hey, and she was sitting there. I'm the guy. Yeah, yeah. And she was like half listening, like, because sometimes people come up and want to introduce themselves and you wonder why she was like, what was that? I go, I don't know. It's a hard one to explain.

Like, you know, like search my name in 11 seconds on Twitter. You'll probably see what it was. Yes, yes. It was, I mean, Rico is, he's a special brain, but that was one of those ones where it's like he made a grudge out of seemingly nothing but he was very mad at you for a long time. Is Rico Bosco, is that a play on Rico Bronya? No. No, I don't think so. I think it was like a-

Rico Bronya was like, when I worked in Waterbury, he was like in a play for the Mets. He was a- Yeah. No, I- He was like one of the first guys I ever got a, so I was wondering if he was like a, I think he just, he tried to sound really Italian. Yeah. He also, Rico, just so you know, and I think you probably can maybe contend this, but he claims that he has the most powerful phone in the Northeast. Rico does. I believe it. Oh, okay. All right. So you're giving them that. It's like a, it's like a terrorist organization. Oh it is. No,. So you're giving them that. It's like a, it's

like a terrorist organization. Oh, it is. No, it is. Don't say that. Don't say that. They are. I've seen the picture. Don't say that. I've seen the pictures. Oh yeah. Well, there was a picture of him in the Middle East. Yeah. Yeah. I'm a terror takes many forms. Yeah, that's true. It's not middle. I didn't suggest it was any part of the war. Yeah. The, uh, that's, that's good that you apologized to Danny Hurley, though. I feel like we're in a good spot in this whole saga. He's good. Yeah. Good, good, good.

It makes a mountain out of a molehill. It's quite something. I had a question for you about just the stress of traveling. And I know for our job, when we're traveling anywhere, if I'm going on vacation, but maybe we have to do a show or something, I'm always stressed out about if it's an Airbnb, is the Wi-Fi. It says it's got really fast Wi-Fi. Is that always going to be the case when you're on a plane?

Do you have to make yourself at those times of year where it's the trade deadline, draft, things like that, if it's a busy time of year where something might happen, do you have to plan in advance based on where you're going, how good that Wi-Fi is? I would say those times of the year, I'm almost always in studio. Like I'm almost always either in studio in Bristol or LA. I'm not like in some remote location. You're gonna be like those times. But like, I mean, I can't tell you like how many times

like I've made my family sit on the side of, you know, pull over the car, sit up. And especially when the kids were younger and you were on the side, pull over the car, sit up, especially when the kids were younger and you were driving everybody somewhere, pull over. I remember the worst one, it was Christmas Eve. It was Christmas Eve, we were going into church, our kids were really young. And I got a trade as we were walking in,

like we're walking up the steps and all of a sudden I'm at the bottom of the steps with my wife, I can still see her with the two kids holding their hands and just standing like going into the church, just shaking her head like, you asshole. You asshole. This is the life you married into.

And it was like a King's Grizzlies trade. It might've been like, can't remember what it was. It was like 2007, 2008, it was early. And I'm like, just one minute, I'll get this. This is a look of just absolute disdain. Yeah, you have any it like is there is there a low? Is there a low in your world? There have to be some some trades that you're like I'm going into church. It's the Kings Grizzlies That's that's not worth my I don't throw any back. You don't throw any back

It was like that and like that it was like, that was very early. It was still a big deal to, I mean, it's always a big deal to, you know, break a trade. I mean, there's only, like, I'd say this, I always think Adam's job is much more taxing. The NFL insider to me is a much more taxing job. To me, for no other reason than the quarterback position. People care about all 30 teams, all 30 quarterbacks, is he playing, is that guy getting moved out, who's the starter, who's starting this week, is he gonna be ready Sunday?

And for all 30 teams, and to me that position, and then free agency trades, to me just that position alone or 32 teams, right, makes it, makes the job way harder. I went up to, I always loved going up to Bristol when Schefter's doing free agency or trade deadline. And if I can go up there for the day, I did it this year, I guess it was free agency.

It was being in a free agency. And I just sit there, it's like watching like a lion in the wild. Right. Like just sit and watch and I go get him water. I got him some, it's like watching like a lion in the wild. Right. Like just sit and watch and I go get him water. I got him some, I went to the cap, got him some gum, you know, drove him back to the hotel later, you know. I like that watching Adam Schefter on.

It just, you know, then it's like PTSD, but you just watching him go through it, but he is, he's the best. Yeah. He's the best ever. So I guess we could ask it this way. Could an NBA news breaker translate better to the NFL He's the best. Yeah. He's the best ever. So I guess we could ask it this way. Could an NBA news breaker translate better to the NFL or an NFL news breaker translate

better to the NBA world? I think in any, I think like a good reporter, you can parachute them in anywhere. Like school board covering city hall cops, NFL, NBA. Like if you can report, you can report. And you, if you give them time to build relationships, figure it out. I think you could put somebody who's a pretty good reporter anywhere.

So yes, now you're starting at zero and it takes, I mean, I've been doing this for, you know, you build these relationships over a very long time. Like when I've been doing this for, you know, you build these relationships over a very long time. Like when I started as an NBA insider, like the guys who were low level executives who were just barely in the front office or low level agents or G League coaches, like when I started, like Nick Nurse was a G League coach I knew, you know, becomes a championship coach and front office guy.

Sam Presti was the assistant GM with the Spurs. And so you have the years of those relationships and then the people around them that you get to know. And so, but it takes a long time. Like you just couldn't do it overnight. Yeah. So is it always going to be basketball for you or are there other interests that you'd like to get into further in your career?

Further in my career? Well, I mean- Like election night, are you going to tweet who won the election? Because it's not going to be real until Woj announces it. I don't think so. Okay. No. Would you have reported a guy getting waved on Christmas Eve?

I'm trying to find it. I want to find this. Okay, I would say now teams are much more reluctant to do that shit on Christmas Eve because they know the response. But before social media, I bet it happened a lot more. I remember Scott Skiles got fired on Christmas Eve, didn't he? The Bulls? Yeah.

Wait, but I'm trying to find- Did you find one? Did you find one? Well, I found Hamed Hadadi was signed from the Dakota Wizards on December 24th, 2008. I hope it wasn't that one, uh, that you're talking that story about. And then there was Marco Yarich got waived on December 24th, 2009 from the Grizzlies. I looked through all Kings and Grizzlies transactions. I may be wrong about the teams. I wish it was like a Marco Yarich getting waved. It

was Christmas Eve. I don't like we, all right, we've got to, I know the, I know the, I know, I know the agent who at the time told me my guy just got traded and I just saw him and I'm going to ask, cause I, I'm not remembering who was in it, but when we leave, I'm going to text you. Who did you text me that day? Cause I remember who told me it. And I just saw him. So it was Christmas Eve.

I was walking. I can still see my wife at the top of those stairs like. Death glare. Yeah, all right, so you're here for the draft. This is a weird draft because it feels like everyone's like this draft stinks. You hear people say it's like if a regular draft started at five or six. The Hawks win it with the 3%.

So Hawks and like the city of Atlanta sports, just what whatever happens in Atlanta, it's always kind of like, oh man, that was a bummer. But to win the number one pick here, does that give them any flexibility going forward? I know they want to probably maybe trade Trey Young, but is this something that teams are even interested in? Well, if you're the Hawks, especially because you've traded away the picks like in the Dejante Murray deal where you don't have your pick next year.

So, you know, they're sitting there expecting to pick at 10. Right. And now it's, we're a one and now we control the draft. So, I mean, I think it's huge for them, but they've got to figure out who that guy is. There's going to be a star in this draft. There might be multiple stars.

But the day of the draft, I said, it reminds me of 2013, which was Anthony Bennett went one, and Cleveland was on the clock until, if the draft started at 7.30, they hadn't decided until 7.20. They were still trying to trade the pick. It was chaos, and they missed the pick. I mean, Bennett, but Yannis goes 15th,

Rudy Gobert goes 27th. There'll probably be somebody in the teens who ends up being an all NBA player. It's your job to figure out who it is. I have a hard time seeing people moving up to one in this draft because I think maybe if it's like a team at two or three that wants a guy and then they just trade down one spot like like

Ainge did with Philly. Yeah, right. They didn't want Markhill like they knew Philly wanted Markhill Fultz And they said hey, we want Jason Tatum at three So not only do they get move down and get Tatum they get another pick from them, right? You you said I think that trade is not gonna work out for the six Oh, I don't think so you said before we started that you had a good Danny Ainge trading story. They were getting ready to trade Rajon Rondo to Dallas. I don't remember the year. I texted Danny, hey, I'm hearing from people.

I'm getting the sense that you're really starting to look to move. Rajon, give me a call. I want to catch up with you about it. And no response, 15, 20 minutes, half an hour. I get a text and it says, Donnie. And it is a text with the terms of a Celtic Dallas trade. Possible names that it picks. And I'm looking at this going, holy shit,

like he sent me the wrong, he sent a text for Donnie Nelson, the Dallas GM, he sent it to me by accident. Whoa. With like their back and forth on the trade. And so, and didn't realize, and then like I'm sitting there kind of looking at it going, I don't think this was meant for me. So I just text him back you owe me one And then my phone rings and he is laughing hysterically Oh, and I said just don't let me get beat on this whenever it gets done. Yeah, and you didn't I didn't give it to you

I don't remember he gave it to I just remember I didn't get beat on it. That's incredible. But I realized, it was meant for Donnie Nelson. That's not. Had all the terms in it. Yeah. Is there any trade that you look back on and maybe one that you didn't get where you're like, I should have had that one.

Is there one that eats you up inside? They all, I never feel like one, like you think about one's, listen, you wanna break everything, you can't break everything. I do remember the costliest trade I ever broke, which was 2012 Olympics in England. Like back then, when I was at Yahoo,

the idea of being overseas for free, I don't remember, yeah, it was July. Free agency, I guess, was over. But we're covering the Olympics. The remember, yeah it was July. Free agency I guess was over. But we're covering the Olympics. The Dwight Howard trade was happening. It was a four team trade. I remember being in the lobby of this English hotel in London, like three, I want to say it was like 315,

330 in the morning when I felt like I got it and it was four teams. And back then like I didn't really know how to handle a calling plan for overseas, like, like on your cell phone, it wasn't unlimited. And they were always pretty liberal with the budget at Yahoo, like, you always felt like you could put in for stuff, but I was gonna test this thing.

So I get my phone bill at the end of the Olympics, it's $12,000. Oh, Jesus. $12,000 phone bill. Oh my God. And I'm like, all right, you can get, I'm like, this is really going to test the limits of, you know, and I put in for, as I called my editor when I got back to Amore, I go, hey, Dave, this is, felt really good about the Olympics. We got that trade.

We got some really good stuff. Good news first. But the phone bill's 12 fucking thousand dollars. He's like, oh man. But they paid it, they paid it. That was incredible. Try that at ESPN now. It wasn't so easy where you just land somewhere

and your phone tells you like, welcome to Canada, welcome to England. You have, here's how you type. And I knew, you know what, there was a point where I knew I was over like, whatever it was, 100 minutes, 200, like I knew I had gone through it. At first I was trying to be kind of careful with it.

And then I was just like, screw that. Like I've just, I gotta get this stuff. You gotta do your job. I gotta get this stuff. It's fun to speculate. And we saw LeBron sitting courtside at the Cavs Cells. Everything that he does seems to be very calculated. He's been very good about that.

He's sending some kind of message. I don't know what the message is, but I think there's nobody better to ask than you about what that message could be. Yeah, I asked about that this morning with somebody who would know and was told to not read any message into it that it was legitimately,

think they were in Cleveland for Mother's Day, he and his wife knows a lot of the players in the game, young guys who've come through his camps, obviously has the connection with Cleveland. Said Dan Gilbert was super gracious with getting him, obviously allowing him to sit there, has to allow him. And so to not read anything into it,

I said, now, you know, he knows when he does that, like it's gonna be a conversation. I think he came in, I'm not sure he was there for the tip. I think he kind of came in and, but it's never, it's, I think his intention is still to be in LA to finish with the Lakers, but you guys know it isn't always a straight line to get there. Right. And I think what I was told still is the, it's just going to be, what does the contract look like?

Do you, you can opt into your deal. You can opt out and do a two year deal, three year deal. I think those are the questions, but they'll get to June or around that deadline. They'll be evaluating what it looks like, what else might be out there. I'm not saying it can't change because you guys know it can. It changes on a dime in this league.

But as of now, I was told that was not meant to be a message. But if you're the Lakers, like, okay, like, you know. Listen, we went through it at the trade deadline. Ramona Schellberg and I had the story on the Warriors and like the Warriors called and they talked and Rich eventually shut it down and said, we're not doing this, he's not interested in it. But there were a couple days there where there was some back and forth where if LeBron

said, Hey, I'd like to do this. There was a world where it could have happened, but he he ultimately shut it down. Yeah. So I heard everything you said, I respectfully disagree. So Ron's just gonna go to Cleveland. He is either trying to go to Cleveland or you might either trying to go to Cleveland or you might be trying to go to Boston. Yeah. Oh, interesting. We didn't always try to get Tatum to the Lakers. Just recruiting in person. Oh, there's a lot of things that go out there. Yeah. Yeah. LeBron and Boston. That was does that frustrate you ever when

you're like we were fans. We like to play play fan fiction we like to just make stuff up are you ever like everyone's just making this up and it's not in facts listen well I don't have my job if people don't yeah love that yeah like that's part of why I've been able to do this so like you're allowed to like it doesn't bother me like you know if we're gonna do like a 15-minute segment on ESPN about something that maybe is not based in like you're allowed to, like it doesn't bother me. Like, you know, if we're gonna do like a 15 minute segment on ESPN about something that maybe is not based in reality, that's different than people doing it on social media. Like that's the fun of it.

It's like, that's what people love about like the player movement. And you've seen nothing is as crazy as some things can sound. We've seen it in this league where you go, well, that doesn't seem, I mean, I remember when I reported in the year before, you know, maybe like six months ahead of where Durant went

from Oklahoma City to Golden State, when I said, hey, there's, these guys are batting eyelashes at each other, right? Like Golden States at the cap space, you know, warrior players were already starting to kind of recruit LeBron, or excuse me, LeBron, KD. And this is a possibility in free agency. People were like, that's ridiculous.

They were, I remember the day I reported it, I think the Warriors were 44 and four. Like, they're not bringing KD in, but teams are always planning and, you know, it wasn't done that day, but the idea that it couldn't happen and it did seem preposterous Right. He's gonna go to Warriors. But like we said like LeBron going to Miami and then LeBron going back to Cleveland It made it easier for guys like KD and other guys to say I'm gonna go play where I want when I want Right. Like you're not seeing guys in free agency anymore. Many fewer guys are out in free agency. It's like, I'm going to sign the super max where I am. I'm going to take my money now and I'm going to fix the destination later. I'm going to go in the portal. This is going to be a

summer of a bunch of guys in the NBA portal. I'm not taking less money to go somewhere as a free agent. You'll just trade me. Yeah. What about when an anonymous Twitter account starts getting some things right? Do you have to look at it and you're like, oh shit, they got this? Or like, we had the material change kid. I can't remember what free agency that was. That was Kawhi, I think. Yeah, it was Kawhi where he just reported something

and then was way wrong. And he was like, well, is the material change? I think he was going to go to the Lakers maybe. Yeah. And he went to the Clippers, according to this guy. But is there ever someone who's reporting something? It's like they're anonymous, but they they just got two in a row that are right and like now I gotta start looking into this I think like you can predict like there's a difference between predicting and reporting right? I've got a report

but you could sit around and Like you could make predictions that are gonna come true now No one's gonna count. Now no one's gonna count all the no one's gonna pay attention to all the ones that didn't. Right. But if you hit on three out of ten or three out of twenty or three out of eight, if I do that in my job I'm back working Parks and Rec in Bristol, Connecticut down the street from ESPN where I started out. So what about the biggest trade that didn't happen? that almost went down, but they backed out a good question. Thank you

I'd say Kobe Pistons. That was close Kobe Bulls to Kobe Bulls, but like there was a deal with the Pistons where It was like Rip Hamilton I reported it you're like way after I don't know. It was like Tayshon, Rip Hamilton, a bunch of picks and Kobe, they had agreed to it essentially the two teams, but Kobe had a want to do it. And I think he went to Jerry Buss's house and they just decided, I think Kobe was in that period where like, I want out of here. And I think he kind of pulled him back in. That trade was agreed to, like the two teams with the terms,

but it was contingent on, Lakers didn't want to do it for obvious reasons. And then Kobe just said, I'm gonna, I'm not, I don't want to do this trade. But like it was, I mean, think of how different the world would have been if Kobe Lands of the Pistons or the Bulls. Yeah, or Dallas, you know, like that summer he they talked with a bunch of teams They were ready to do it. Yeah, and looking back, you know he

You know, I know he was obviously glad he played his whole career in LA yeah Yeah, yeah. All right. So woe has been awesome. We want you back on. You're a recurring guest now, so you actually have to come back on whenever we ask. But I had one last question, rowback question. R-H-O-B-A-C-K.com promo code take. 20% off your first purchase. Q-zips, polos, hoodies, joggers, shorts.

Rowback.com promo code take. Full disclosure, I wanted to see even a question. Have you thought about changing the Twitter avatar picture updating it? Possibly. What is it now? Just picture of me? It's just a picture you look at a bad picture kind of smug So I pulled up I I pulled up all the times we've talked about you. I want to be full disclosure here some things We've made me look at the smug. Let me see this. Yeah, you're smug very professional. You be your smug., but you're smug. I don't think that's smug. It's a little smug. There are many smug pictures of me I don't think that's one of them. Is that a picture day? Did you have picture day? No, that's like on set for sports That's an old one. Wait, wait, like two pairs of glasses. Let me see it. Oh, no, you updated it

Okay, never mind. Did the one I'm looking at is the it is the really smug one That's okay. Yeah, that was my first headshot at ESPN. Okay. All right, they used that on TV Yeah, like when I'm not on air and I replaced that one. I didn't love okay good All right, so then we're good. This is we're good. Then I don't have to say all the things we said about that picture Go ahead. Okay. Uh, I think this was sure me. I said woe just Twitter picture pisses me off. He's got that smug I want to punch this guy in the face. Look, mm-hmm. PFT said it's the body language It looks like LinkedIn picture for some financial banker. I said he thinks he's a big wig at JP Morgan on wall street, but he's really just at Omaha mutual. PFT said he's a vice

president, but he works at a place where there's like 200 vice presidents. They don't have to call them sales people. I said you're, you're a VP, but you get no equity. He just looks like he knows something. I don't know. And I want to punch him. He says he does. He knows every single pick in the NBA draft. I'm glad I changed that pick. I want to just let you know that we there was a moment in time where it wasn't like we want to punch him and also put him that none of that was on. None of that was unfair by the way. In the new one you look like a senior vice president. Yeah you look good. You've got a promotion. Yeah. Congrats. I like to, we like to, you know, the beauty of this show

is if you come on, you end up looking good, because we'll just say the dumb shit we said about you. And if you can take it, it's great. So good that you updated it. You're no longer, you know, VP. If I change it again, can I text you guys? Can I give you three or four choices? Yeah, give us our, yeah, we'll have a final say on it.

Yes, please do. We're trying to protect you. Maybe bring a Racine in. Yeah, we'll just do like a ranking of which one we want to fight the most. It would be a quick fight if you haven't figured it out yet. Well, whoa, you got one last question? Yeah, I just had a question about, you know, more of a big picture future of the NBA type of thing. If you're looking outside, we can generally agree there's like six teams that are kind of at the top, five or six teams. Outside of those, maybe it's a team that didn't make the playoffs, maybe it's a team that is kind of in the bottom tier of the playoffs. Next two, three

years, what's a franchise that you think is motivated to make changes that will result in them kind of entering that discussion of the upper echelon. The Spurs are coming because of Victor. I had a GM slash president of one of the teams who's very much in the mix for a championship right now who said to me a couple of weeks ago, we better all get our winning out of the way fast. We better get our winning done fast because once that kid has anybody around him, he's going to win everything all the time. Wow.

You think they make a change this offseason? They get aggressive or is that something that they're going to wait on? I think because they have so many picks, I think they'll, they want to improve the point guard position. They could go out in the trademark and get like a solid veteran point guard who can kind of bridge them for a couple years. They have so many picks. Maybe they find a point guard in this draft, Dillingham from Kentucky or Reid Shepherd,

whoever it is. But next year's draft is loaded. They could have as many as four lottery picks based on. And so like, I don't think they're going all in and some veteran who makes 40 or $50 million, they don't have to, they just gotta get something on Victor's timeline. They'll be way better next year because he's gonna be

So good and listen they have to put pieces around him He's going to dominate this league in ways like I think on both ends of the floor Unlike we've seen Wow. All right. Hey good question. Well woge this has been awesome. We were guys. I appreciate it I'm honored to be in here. Yeah a lot of fun And yeah when we when we call on you in the future you're you're gonna have to I will I will step to where Roche guys. I appreciate that Woge is brought to you by our great friends over at Facebook everyone should explore their interests and if you do it on Facebook There's a world of possibilities that open up to you when you tap into the people and the products on the platform

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Louisville, Kentucky at Valhalla for the PGA Championship, which starts on Thursday. And we wanted to get some insight into the tournament. Talk to Shane. He also is bringing back the Get a Grip pod. So go subscribe now. He also has a children's book out that I actually read to my kids. They love it. Only problem is too long, a little too long. We skipped some pages which is tough because the holes are numbered in the book. But you've probably been there where you're like, all right, we got to get through this book. We're gonna skip, oh, we're at hole four, now we're at hole 11. Big Cat, I'll tell you this. I also skip holes with my daughter.

So if it makes you feel any better, you're not the only one, the guy that actually wrote the book also skips as well. But good to see you boys. I just talked to Mr. Homer, who I know you'll be paying close attention to. And his exact quote was hoping to be Seabiscuit this week in Kentucky. So we'll see if if that actually happens. I like that. I like that. Not Secretariat Seabiscuit. Seab sea biscuit is dead though, right? They're all dead Well, I mean legends died big guy, you know that sea biscuit died a long time ago. But wait wasn't sea biscuit small Was a horse yeah, but it was like small for a horse and horse sense I liked I liked it Max is getting into it because I feel like there's gonna be a lot of that horse puns

All weekend on the road whiskey. Yeah prepare yourselves for a lot of that horse puns all weekend on the broadcast. Horses and whiskey. Prepare yourselves for a lot of that this week. They're pushing that pretty heavy. I think there's like little thing like the big boots and structures around the golf course that are kind of promoting that as well. So that's going to be a big part of the week as to be expected. Yeah. It would rock if they put like a wreath of like Black Eyed Susans or roses on the winter right afterwards like they're a horse. Yeah. And then have a horse come up and interview them. Yeah. My favorite part of the Derby. But we were just talking about Max Holma.

So I want to make sure to talk about him right off the bat. He is in my threesome of the week, which is Brooks, Max and Spieth, I believe. Okay. So, in a threesome, somebody always gets their feelings hurt. I feel like Spieth is going to be on the outside looking. I feel like Max and Brooks, this tournament sets up pretty well for them. Am I way off? No, no, no. Dialed. I mean, this is, you know, it's wet here. It's been raining the last couple of days.

I think it's basically going to rain off and on until Sunday. So, when you're looking at players to pick or favorites to kind of focus on, I'm looking at guys that hit it far and hit it high, guys like Rory McIlroy and Brooks. Max is kind of sneaky long as well. That's a big golf term that we like to throw out there. So I like those two, but I think you're dialed on the person on the outside looking in.

Jordan just hasn't really played great golf in the last few years. And Jordan's one of those players that's still looking for the career grand slam. If he could win this week, I mean, he would join legitimately the most elite group in all of golf. I think there's been just five players ever that have won the career grand slam. But I don't think this is a Jordan's speed golf course. So yeah, when you're looking at that threesome, I think Brooks and Max are the likely candidates

to come out of that. All right. So Val Halla, can you tell us just the history and what this course is going to give us, you know, the intricacies, what's the unique thing, what games match up well. I know you just mentioned a little bit of it, but give us the download of Valhalla because the schedule still has snuck up on me every year now that they moved the PGA to second. It's going to take me a few more years to be able to mentally get through that.

Yeah, and they'll probably move back to the end of the year. Once you kind of get comfortable with that, I probably am feeling the same thing as you. First things first, I looked up what Valhalla means because I knew you'd probably ask that. It's the great hall described in Norse mythology where the souls of Vikings feasted and celebrated with the gods. Now that sounds relatively grandiose. I've been PFT like that but it's a golf course that hasn't hosted a million major championships this is just its fourth in terms of PGA championships Marks Brooks won the first and then of course they get Tiger winning and that deal with Bob May and then Rory won in

2014 it's a golf course that has two completely different nine holes I was talking to a couple of players today and they're talking about the front nine and the back nine almost look like different golf courses, but it is really, really long. And I mentioned it's really soft. So I think it favors longer players. Like I'm looking at Rory, kind of looking on like the sleeper sides of things. I like Minwoo Lee, um, who has had some success this year and has played well in majors as of late saw hit the Gala. Also a guy that I'm kind of focused on this week,

maybe outside of those top five players, but you got to beat it forever and you got to hit it relatively straight because the rough is gnarly and it's going to play like that. And when you look historically outside of Mark Brooks, you know, Tiger in 2001, one of the longest guys in golf and Rory, of course, in 2014, the longest guy at the time and still one of the longest players in golf. So that's kind of what you're going to get here this week. Yeah. I think the Hall if I remember my Mad Max correctly, and I think I do, it's what it's where you the like souls of warriors go there in the afterlife.

It's like witness me. I'm about to die. Then I'm going to be in heaven. It's like Norse heaven, I guess. Hank made a face when he said Minwoo Lee. I just want to put that on the record. Hank thinks that's a disgusting pick on your part. I'm going to go with you. You pay more attention to golf than Hank does. So I'm going to tell you. Play less than Hank. Now play less than Hank as well.

Yeah. Yeah. So- That's a definite. But from an outside, he'd be one of the guys that's a long shot that you're looking at that could, his game translates well. Yeah. I mean, he's one of the longest guys on tour. He's eighth on the PGA Tour this season in driving distance. He's got kind of more comfortable over the last couple of years in terms of majors, top 22 and three of his last four major stars, including a tie for fifth last year at the US Open. I feel like Minwooli is kind of waiting to break through in that regard. So even though Haik kind of hates the pick,

I feel like Minwooli is going to have a good week. If he hates it, it's a good pick. Yeah. So you said the front nine and the back nine are like two different courses. In what ways are they different? I mean, just like undulation, it's a good pick. Yeah. So you said that the front nine and the back nine are like two different courses. In what ways are they different? I mean, just like undulation, what the holes look like. It almost looks like they took two different nines on two different golf courses and kind of married them together.

Even kind of the way the holes move and meander feel very, very different. There's a lot more water as you kind of creep over to the back nine. So it's very unique like that. There's not a lot of golf courses that feel very much like you're playing two different courses. But the players that I've talked to said they love the back nine a lot more than the front nine, which is obviously what we want as golf fans. I mean, you prefer the better holes and the more fun holes to be as they're kind of closing things down on the weekend. So I think this is the longest a PGA championship preview has ever gone without mentioning the name Scotty Scheffler.

Scotty Scheffler is the best golfer in the world. It's not really close right now. Is this just going to be another Scotty Scheffler tournament? I mean, it's crazy what he's doing and it's not just the Masters. It was before the Masters, but is anyone even close to him? If Scotty plays his A minus game, can someone beat him? No, not at all. If he's anywhere in the A's, even the B's, I feel like Scottie's going to win. I mean, four wins in his last five starts. The one win he didn't have was a T second where he missed a 10 footer and it would have been five straight. What he's doing, I mean, I looked at his stats earlier and when you scroll through it, it's just a one next to everything. It's bananas to see somebody doing this. And I mean, you're getting so many comps to what Tiger used to do, right?

And what we're seeing with Scotty right now. And when you dive into the stats, I mean, that's when you really start to see kind of 2000, 2001, 2002 Tiger Woods. This guy leads in par three scoring, in par four scoring, in stroce game off the tees, and around the green, and iron play. It's so complete, Big Cat, that it's incredibly impressive to watch. And obviously it took him a little bit of time

to pick up that win. You know, you think earlier in the season, even the major championships last year, he was getting close, but he wasn't winning. Picking up a couple of wins, the wins once he switched putters has been huge for him. And then I always say winning the second major is tougher, the toughest major to win.

Anybody can kind of win one, right? I mean, you go through the history of golf, there's a lot of quote unquote no names that have won one major championship. There's not a lot of no names that have won two. And when you look at these young players, we've got a list of one time major winners. So to pick up that second to win the Masters now kind of gets it rolling and gets it flowing. I feel like it's going to be more comfortable for Scotty. And also something Scotty has that a lot of the players

in the field don't, is he's had a couple of weeks off. You know, this is a guy that didn't play last week and I think that'll bode well for Scotty coming into this week. And also Scotty, a guy that bombs it. You know, this is a guy that we talk so much about the complete game and the distance is incredible. And Colin Moore Kawa talked about it

after he played with him at Augusta National. He said, you know, I'm hitting five irons in some of these par fours and Scottie's hitting eight iron. I mean, I'm just not getting hit as close as he is. So I think right now in pro golf, it is Scotty on the men's side and Nellie Cordo on the women's side and then everybody else in the gap is growing right now. It is fun for golf when we have I know you know domination makes it maybe not as fun on Sunday but like when Tiger was doing it just going into a tournament being like if this guy's playing his game we're just gonna get to watch a spectacle and that's what it feels like right now with Scottie Scheffler. Yeah I mean it's you asked the

A minus game what I look at is who has to play their A game to compete I look at Rory I look at Brooks even look at Max I mean those guys if they play A, A plus golf, they can compete and potentially beat Scotty Scheffler, but most guys don't have their A games and major championships. So if a guy shows up with a B plus game, they're just not going to be able to hang with that guy. He's so consistent, he makes no mistakes, he plays really smart. I mean Scotty's doing all the things that Tiger used to do. You know Tiger's the most conservative great player ever. That's something that we kind of misconceptionized when we thought about the way Tiger went about his business.

He hit to the fat part of the greens. He wouldn't take a lot of chances unless he was super comfortable. That's the thing I see the most similar to Tiger with Scottie is he knows exactly where to hit it where maybe he makes birdie, but he's absolutely not going to make bogey. That's tough when you're trying to chase that guy down. Yeah, what about Tiger this week? He said that he feels like he could win. I would like for Tiger to be in contention.

I think he says that before every tournament though because he's obviously a competitor and he doesn't go into a tournament think like, oh, I don't have a chance at winning. But it's his first tournament with his new line of clothes, right? So maybe we're going to get a boost from that. Played Riviera. I think he was Sunday Red. He played Masters Sunday Red, but I think this might be the first one where you can buy the clothes. So yeah, maybe he does get the boost from, you know, saying, Hey, the shirt look great when I shot 67, go online and purchase it. You know, maybe there's a discount code or something like that. But you know, I'm surprised he's playing, honestly, I'm surprised he's playing this golf course considering the link and considering what these types of venues ask.

I look at Tiger right now and I think the only major he can really contend in and potentially win is the British Open because firm, fast, warm, things like that play into his hands. It's just going to be tough for Tiger to play at a wet and soft golf course that plays this long when he's 40 and 50 yards behind a Scottie Scheffler or a Brooks or a Rory. I mean, that's just the kind of the window he's playing in right now. Yeah. And what about Rory?

I know there's a lot going on in his personal life right now. Probably not the best timing for that for him mentally to be entering this weekend. Kind of feel bad for him on that front. But he did win last weekend. And we were saying, I don't know if there's any actual like statistical evidence to back this up, but we feel like Rory is the king of winning a tournament close to a major and then everybody thinking Rory's back, he's gonna win this one and then nothing happens. How does this course set up for Rory and is he playing good enough where if he has like an A, A- effort

that he could beat anybody not named Scottie Scheffler? Yeah, I would say outside of kind of the news today, he was going to be my pick. I mean, just considering the way he's played coming in. You know, the last time Rory won a major championship, which was at Valhalla, was 2014. He won the two events headed in. Well, he's won two events headed in here.

So when you're kind of looking at reasons to pick Rory, the other thing I think about is like not to get too deep into the personal stuff. I mean, that's Rory's deal and Rory's situation. But when Rory had the other thing I think about is like not to get too deep into the personal stuff. I mean that's Rory's deal in Rory's situation but when Rory had the chip on his shoulder and kind of played golf like an asshole was when he played the best golf. And so I look at Rory right now and maybe that plays into his hands because he's tried everything else. He's come in playing a whole bunch of events in a row and not played greater majors and he's taken weeks off and not played

greater majors and not won. So maybe there's some level of You know, everybody's against me. The world's looking at me. They're judging me Let me go out here and just kind of step on some necks and play some great golf So if you're looking for any reason to pick Rory winning his first major since 2014, maybe you can lean into that So he's like, how can I fix my game swing? Whatever. Let's try divorce. Yeah. Well he's back on the market. That might be. He might have like if I win girls are looking at I'm going to be I'm a champion baby. That's true. Everyone knows that feeling of like are those hot girls looking at me. I better fucking crush this drive. Yeah. He crushes most drives. Let me just say that. I mean it was

the number like the stuff I was talking to a player today. I feel like Rory is one of the rare players that's gotten into his 30s that has gotten longer. And when you watch him like watch him at the Wells Fargo last week, I mean, he's able to take on holes and take on bunkers that almost nobody else in the field can do. And the way he drove the ball last week, he's gonna have to do it this week to be competitive. But I just feel like he was struggling so

much with the driver earlier this year, which is something he never struggles with, right? I mean, that's like Steph Curry struggling from three, like Steph's going to make threes. Like maybe he gets bumped inside or maybe he's struggling on defense, but you can rely on the three point shot. If you're Steph Curry, Rory could always rely on the driver and it went away for about four months. Now that it's back, I feel like he can go back out there and kind of smoke it over some of the lines on a golf course he knows well and he's one on that plays into his hands obviously. Yeah. What about our guy? And I already made this bet so it doesn't matter what you say to me after it, but I love Will Zalatoris. I was

looking at it last night. He's not playing well. What's, what's up with him? I already bet him to win. So that that's been decided, but what is, what's going on with his game and does he have, cause it always feels like when Will Zalatoros is playing well, he'll be in the mix, but does he have a playing well in his bag right now? I think he does. And I think Will Zalatoros is one of those guys that the harder the golf course, the better it is for his game because he hits it so well. I mean, there are big cat, there are probably 10 guys in pro golf that are just at another level in terms of ball striking And everybody on tour knows who those guys are right? That's Rory. That's max. That's Brooks Koepka That's Scotty Scheffler salad tourists is in that group and so when you think about major championships, they're longer the rough is higher

There's a premium on hitting fairways all of those things play into this thing It's almost like guys that step up in the playoffs, right? Maybe they're not great during the regular season, but they find another gear or their game translates in the playoffs. He's one of those playoff type of players. So I like, I like Zella Tours as well this week. I don't really care what kind of form he's in coming into these type of events because he seems to step it up no matter if he's playing great or not. Because again, these golf courses demand more from everybody and he's one of those players that that Doesn't scare him. Yeah, great ball to one. Yeah, I liked I like those odds you mentioned all the great ball strikers

He left off blocky. Oh, yeah block. He's gonna probably win this because this is it's a year it's a year to the point where he he captured America's hearts for about 93 hours and Then he talked about Rory McIlroy If if he had Rory McElroy's tee shots on every hole, what would he shoot? Would he be top 10, top 20? Career grand slam probably. I mean, he probably would have won the Masters. He probably would have won Wells Fargo. He would win this week for sure. Thinking about Pinehurst, I think it plays at Pinehurst. The US opens his and then Trune is where the opens at. So I mean, you're talking a Scotty level run. If blocky could hit it like Rory,

I'm with you there. Yeah. I mean blocky is not a bad guy, but I, I, I'll be honest. I'm rooting for him to finish dead last. It'd be fun. Yeah. Now. Yeah. I want him on. I want to finish dead last, but I also want him to have a hole in one and still finished. I want to finish dead, dead last and just be like, Oh man, if he had worries distance, do you rather make a hole in one and shoot your best score ever or make a hole in one and shoot like an obnoxiously high score? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Oh yeah. That would be way better. If I shot like a 148 with a hole in one, it's hard to do. I mean, I think again, you're going to frame the scorecard,

right? Right. Why not make the hole in one? The outlier? Right. Yeah. Yeah. I'm with you. I mean, I think, again, you're going to frame the scorecard, right? Right. So why not make the hole-in-one the ally? Right. Yeah. Yeah. It'd be great. We have to ask you about the live merger, because I feel at this point that when they

made that announcement last year, they didn't have anything at all ready to go. They just got done with a meeting, and he was like, okay, I think we're going to do a merger. Let's do a press conference. They had no plans in place whatsoever. Am I off on thinking that it was just like a spur of the moment, we're going to make this announcement, no idea how it's going to work, because people are resigning.

It's not going anywhere. Nobody knows what the hell is going on. They didn't have shit ready to go when they said this last summer, did they? It feels like it. It feels like it was just kind of one of those things you throw out there. It's like the Hawks getting the number one pick and you're going we're going to

rebuild man like we look what we can do now with our team is there really a plan in the back room or is everybody just high-fiving because they had the top pick. I don't really understand what's happening in the background everybody's leaving guys are getting voted off the pack Rory's not allowed back on now it seems as far as it's ever been in terms of a merger. The one thing I will say about Liv and the PGA Tour, it feels like the parties are more comfortable now, like almost being a part if that makes sense. I don't know if you guys feel the same way in terms of observation but it feels like Liv players are really comfortable being Liv players and PGA Tour players are really comfortable being PGA Tour players and they're just

kind of coexisting. They show up at the majors, they play practice rounds. I loved what Brooks said a couple of months ago and he was asked, who if you had to play one round of golf the rest of your life with one pro who would you pick? And he said Rory. Like it seems like it's kind of simpatico between these two parties and they're just kind of existing. But I don't know what happened last year. I don't know what's happened in 12 months. And it feels like every six weeks or so, we get a press conference that something's going to happen and then nothing ever does. I feel like what happened was the PGA guys that stuck around, they realized that the

PGA has been kind of full of shit on this. So they don't have that same animosity towards the live. They can't be like, you're leaving this great institution. We care so much about this institution and the future of the game because they realize that, oh yeah, they don't have a plan in place. Nothing is happening. So it's like they've kind of come over to the other side, which is why we're seeing more and more players, I think, leave the PGA tour. I think the PGA has a leaderboard problem where on Sundays in every tournament, it feels like you just look at the leaderboard and you're like, what is this? Is this a major event? Is this an event that people usually play in? Are you guys skipping this week? And then you look at the live leaderboard and the irony is nobody's really watching the live

But the leaderboards look great Hank is watching it But the leaderboards look so much better and that's what you know casual golf fans like us care about It's just that one quick glance and be like, I don't know any of these guys. Yeah Hey, what is Hank like outside of the Patriots? What is cuz cuz I feel like I hear a lot of complaining and I'm just wondering like hey Can you give me three things you love in life in life? Yeah, go just in life. I don't I don't complain at all No, no, we're golf. Give it to us golf family complain at all. No, no, no. Golf. Give it to us. Golf. Family. Podcasting. Friends. Vacation. Vacation. The ocean. Hank is a big live golf fan. He is like a huge live golf fan. He turns

it on all the time. Yeah. Hank, do you set your alarm and wake up early or no? Uh, no. I mean, I, I, it's, I think the ones big cats talking about was this last run when they were in Hong Kong and Singapore and we were watching at night. Like we were watching Sunday afternoon or Sunday night and I was like, let's put on live Yeah, I'm a big time if golf's on, you know, call me crazy if golf's on I'd rather watch live golf than anything else No, but like if it's if it's on I'm gonna I'm gonna watch it Yeah well

like the live leaderboard thing has been so interesting because obviously they've got smaller fields but you know, I mean the the recipe for success in terms of somebody looking online or even watching it on on the leaderboard is you're inevitably gonna get five of those guys in the top ten because they're just so much better than the guys maybe at the bottom 20 so yeah Ram's gonna be involved Brooks is gonna be involved Bryson's gonna be involved and so if you're casual golf fan and you dive into the leaderboard that makes a lot of sense I will give the PJ tour a little. It feels like the last couple of weeks we've had some better leaderboards, which has been nice,

because I'm with you, PFT. The first couple of months were relatively brutal in terms of leaderboards. Yeah, so if you were to take a big, big outsider, like a type of long shot that we saw win some tournaments this year, who would be the biggest outsider that you would put money on?

I think Sahit Tagala kind of makes sense there. I mean, again, you're talking about he's probably 150 to one-ish, I'd say. Big Cat, you can check that and let me know. I mean, he's probably floating around that number. He's ranked sixth in total strokes gained, 20th in driving distance, 12th in putting over the last three months. He's a guy that has been finding his game and getting more comfortable in terms of tour setups. He's also a guy that misses fairways and kind of lives by missing fairways.

And when I say that, I mean, there are Will's Alitourist types that stripe it all the time. And then there are dudes that, like Phil Mickelson did this throughout his career, that hit it all over the place and could play from those spots. And I feel like Saw hit this kind of modern fill in that regard. So I'd say he's probably in that 100 to 125 to one range that I kind of like this week. Okay. So last question, rowback question, rhoback.com promo code take 20% off your first purchase, Q-zips, polos, hoodies, joggers, shorts, rowback.com promo code take. I know we talked about them at the top. Can Max win this tournament? Yep, absolutely.

I think Max is an athlete that when he gets a taste, he gets a taste. You think about Riviera in 2021, right? This is a guy that had longed to win that golf tournament. He wins Riviera and then he wins four times in the next two years. He got a taste a little bit at the open last year, finished in the top 10. They didn't have to answer any of those questions about major championship golf anymore. Then he gets to the Masters and gets himself in contention. I remember talking to Max after an event a few years ago and he was close to winning.

And I asked him kind of on Monday, how does it feel and where are you at? And he said, I just want to get back to that moment again. Like I want to be back in the arena. I want to feel those same sensations that I just felt. And so I imagined that once he left Augusta National and a couple of days passed and he realized Scotty was just at a different level, I'm sure Max felt very similar to that.

I think Max can absolutely win here. I think it's a good golf course for him. And I feel like he's been playing better and better golf than we saw early in the season. So absolutely, I think Max not only can win, but I think he's in probably my top three favorites right now. Okay. I love that for Max. Yes. My last question is about the Champions

Dinner because I didn't realize that the PGA Championship had a Champions Dinner like the Masters does. So it was last year and I think JT made a little off-color joke about Mito, right? And then people talked about that for a while. When is the champions dinner for the PGA? Is it Monday? Is it tonight? I believe it's tonight if that tells you anything I'm not even sure that the night it's on. I did just see Mark Brooks walking through the compound about 10 minutes ago and he seemed to be leaving so maybe he was going to get you know cleaned up and put the suit on but I think the chance I'm pretty sure this dinner, players have skipped in the past. So it doesn't quite feel like the one we see obviously at Augusta National, but as we know

anything in sports, everybody's kind of a lemming. So once somebody does it, they're like, we should do that as well. And the PGA does it now, but I believe it's tonight. Okay. That's really the only reason I would want to win a tournament to come back for those dinners. Would you go tux? Would you go suit?

What would you go? I'd probably, I don't know, probably just a t-shirt. T-shirt, sweatpants. Just keep it comfortable. Lay it out there. Maybe it should be that. Maybe that should be their thing. The Masters does you pick the menu. Maybe the winner of the PGA should pick the outfits

everybody has to wear. You're picking a theme? Pick a theme for the night? Like the Met Gala. That's smart. Yeah. Yeah. Or yeah, just thinking back through all the college parties I went to, probably all of those Pick a theme for the night like a Mac Gala that's smart. Yeah. Yeah, or uh, yeah

I'm just thinking back through all the college parties. I went to probably all of those are Not acceptable for for mixed company, but that's fine. Yeah All right. Well Shane. Thank you as always we appreciate it and have fun out there and we'll be watching the whole thing All right. Thanks boys. Appreciate it Shane bacon is brought to you by Topgolf. It's golf, it's not golf, it's Topgolf. We've been to Topgolf, whether you love golf or if you've never swung a club before,

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Yeah, guys on, Hank, can we do guys on women? Sure. Is that okay this time? Yep. All right. Before that, do you think think what is more significant scottie sheffler baby bump rory mackerel or divorce divorce right so I I think it might be rory divorce bump because we're a baby bump show we are but I don't know

this might be too soon for the baby bump in golf consider is the US open on Father's Day? Yeah, no. Yes, it is. Yes. So, so Father's Day is going to be Sunday of the US open. The baby will probably be at the US open on Sunday in attendance. Yes. I don't know if the baby is going to be there this weekend on the course. I would say no, but that's not the, that's not the, I think maybe the answer of the baby bump. But no, think about just hang, close your eyes. Picture Scotty

Scheffler, us open father's day, Sunday. He's going up 18. He holds out and his wife and baby are right there. That feels like that's going to happen. Right. That's fair. Hold on. I'm going to try to find it. Cause why are you looking for that? It's worth mentioning that Scotty's caddy will not be there on Saturday because he's attending his son's high school graduation. I'm gonna say this about- His friend is caddying on Saturday at a major. Scotty Scheffler, too much perspective.

Way too much. Too much perspective. Why? I mean, his caddy is missing a major for high school graduation. One day, just Saturday round. It's a moving day. Yeah. It's important moving day. Yeah.

It's important. Yeah. I think there's a bet you can do where it's like one, two, and maybe we just do that. One, two, Scheffler. Zack the Box. Yeah, one, two, Scheffler. Brooks, Max. But one, two, Scheffler, McElroy, and then one, two.

This is also, I mean, Brooks did win his first event. I guess not. He won his fourth event on the live tour No, I know but that wasn't the first event since he had the kid but he did get the baby bump like you know He had that he had the kid on him on the 18th and all the cute pictures and stuff Roy's last major 2014 this course yeah, yeah, it is uh it is also possibility that Scheffler wins both Yeah, I would say so. Oh yeah. 20, 2500, 25 to one. Scotty Scheffler, Rory McElroy. And then you could just do it reverse Rory Scotty. That might be the move. Hey boys, why is it that my boyfriend and his roommate have a 1500 foot ethernet cable legit running through their apartment?

They say it's for better internet connection for when they drop in with the boys, war zone, but it is more than just that. But is it more than just that? Huge fan, tell Jake the Bing Bong Maxi on last week's PJ Call Me and My Boyfriend's Weekend, thanks. Love that. I think you're reading too much into ethernet cable. I think it's like the first thing I thought of It's the meme of like the girl in bed

I bet he's using that ethernet for weird porn and that he's just thinking about Call of Duty Yeah No, this is um this is one of those situations where you got to just trust that guys are dumb and This is like a dumb hobby is just what it is. Mm-hmm. And if it weren't for women, I think most guys would just have Cables running roughshod all over the apartment or houses to just functional. Yeah, you've got extension cord going across your like basement. Yeah, that's because that's where that's the good hole. Yeah,

right. On that side of the wall. That's where I get all the power. Yeah. Yeah. Sup, boys. My boyfriend and his roommate have a secret hand signals that they appear to do behind my back, but I've caught them a couple times. They won't share with me what the hand signals mean, and it appears they keep coming up with more since I've started to notice them. Does every guy have a secret way of communicating

with their friends when they're with their girlfriends? P.S. Bing bong maxi. Oh, Jake, double. He might be in a gang. Might be just throwing up the pyro. He could be in a gang. I think, no, most guys don't have this, but it rocks. I wish. You know what should be more popular? And this is because they're in my house now.

Walkie Talkies. We should just be bringing back Walkie Talkies more. We should have Walkie Talkies. We've tried this before in have one of us in New York Well, yeah, cuz maybe can have it on our wrists Yeah, sure, but we should have walkie talkies like I would wear a walkie talkie on my belt if we all just had Walkie talkies around the office. It's the best when you hit it and you're just like over I also think that if you're wearing a walkie-talkie and like a day glow high vis vest you can get in any room in America. Yep. Nobody's gonna stop a guy

with walkie-talkie. If I get us some high-tech walkie-talkies or if someone sends them to us would you not walk around with it and we can hit each other up? Maybe for a day. What was... oh man why can't I remember the commercials? Next Nextel? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I used to want one of those so bad. Hello PFT. Fat cat. You wouldn't get that one Hank. Fat cat. Honk. Jake. And Maxi Pad.

I was dating this guy last year and bought tickets to PGA Championship for this weekend. Sunday to be exact. But since then he's moved cities and we basically mutually ghosted each other. Oh That's mutually mutually ghosting. Should I reach out to him and remind him of the tickets? Sounds like you're thinking about not mutually ghosting. I think I like golf a little more than he does. He grew up on this Oh, and now I'm in a pickle because I'd really like to go but I don't really have girlfriends I would enjoy watching golf for hours in the heat need some advice on what to do. I think Given the recent news that Jeff Nadu does not have Comedia. You should definitely have him come Mutual ghosting is a wild thing to say there's no way it was mutual that that was a you can't fire me

I quit like she got got, she or, I don't know. She was waiting. She got ghosted and like after like two texts was like, you know what, I might get ghosted. Let me pull out and ghost here too. How many relationships that were off to like a really good start do you think have been ruined by both teams playing the,

I'm gonna wait till they text me. Yeah. I'm not gonna text them first. And then nobody just ever texts each other. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, oh Hank, each other. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Oh Hank No, yeah So you have you've me sir Hank

Anyway Hey, no big gap brings up a good point. Don't let this be the one there's an accidental ghost. I'm not gonna get into Accidental ghost is definitely worse than a mutual ghost, right? Send a text right now being like, hey, I was waiting for you to text me first. And I think we're doing the same. I wasn't though. I really miss you. Got it.

Hey boys. Big AWL here. I'm a 34 year old bartender and I love my job, but I've had a hard time finding a guy who wants to commit a relationship. Is my profession the problem? Do guys assume I'm wild because of what I do for a living What does she do bartender it might it might be the hours? I? Don't know if it's about like being a bartender. There's nothing wrong being a bartender I think most guys are like I don't want to date this person because they work serving liquor

I think it's like hours of bartender crazy. But I feel like the service industry. Yeah, hookups happen. Yeah, like that. I think you have to, I feel like a lot of bartenders who become professional bartenders, they have that moment where they're like, is this gonna be my profession? And then you just start making enough money that it is. So if you work at a busy bar, the tips are crazy. Like I never understood that why you'd be like, oh you're 40 and bartending? What if they're at a busy bar, the tips are crazy. Like, I never understood that, why you'd be like, oh, you're 40 and bartending? What if they're making $100,000 a year in cash tips?

Why wouldn't you do that? Yeah, I think it would take a, not every guy can date a bartender because I think a lot of guys would take advantage of that where they just bring all their buddies, we can get free drinks all night. And also knowing that you're gonna get hit on by like every guy that you write to every single night. Not every dude is Comfortable dealing with situational you need a you need a true alpha male not someone who's gonna be a beta

Yeah, so when the guy does come around he's gonna be confident. Yeah confident cocky his name's gonna be Hank That's it. Okay, good show, great show. Great show. A very fun show. Maybe the Hot Studio helps. Yeah. Yeah, I just invited you to walkie talkie. Oh.

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