Pardon My Take - Auburn HC Bruce Pearl, PGA Pro Min Woo Lee, NFL Rule Changes, Someone On The Show Quits The Podcast Mid Episode And FAQ's

Episode Date: April 2, 2025

The NFL Owners meeting is taking place in Florida and Hank has researched all potential rule changes on the docket. We get a call from Big Dom to invite Max to the White House with the Eagles and then things turn SOUTH fast (00:00:00-00:31:14). Buzz Williams to Maryland. Then things get even worse for the show (00:31:14-00:48:46). Hot Seat/Cool Throne including the Jets firing everyone for Culture reasons and football guys embracing analytics (00:48:46-01:04:26). Auburn Head Coach Bruce Pearl joins the show to talk Final Four, the season starting with a plane fight, Blobs and Slobs, what this run means to him and tons more (01:04:26-01:34:29). Min Woo Lee joins the show fresh off his first PGA Tour victory to talk about the feeling winning on Sunday, slow play controversy, growing up in Australia, and golf tips for Hank (01:34:29-02:03:02). We finish with listener submitted FAQ's (02:03:02-02:16:08).You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/pardon-my-take

Hey, pardon my take listeners, you can find every episode on Apple podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime members can listen ad free on Amazon Music. On today's pardon my take, we've got a two for for the people we have Auburn head coach Bruce Pearl getting ready for the final four. Great talk with him some basketball talk, blobs and slobs. Uh, great time with him. And then we also have Min Woo Lee fresh off of his big win on Sunday. Woozy Jacuzzi. Woozy Jacuzzi. Woozy Jacuzzi. Woozy Jacuzzi. Woozy Jacuzzi. Uh, we're going to talk about the NFL league meetings, new rules, uh, that come out. Uh, we have some hot seat sea cool thrown. We have FAQs, listener FAQs.

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April 2nd and boys we got a new league year, right? We got a new that happened last week We got a see Ides of March Oh the Ides of March the owners meeting in Orlando and we have new rules Some not new rules and Henry Lockwood, our insider, has been tasked with giving us the lowdown on all of it. Big Cat kind of buried the lead there, Big Cat. The NFL is doubling down on sportsmanship in 2025. Oh. Per the NFL. Is this one of your new rules, Hank? Say it again? The NFL has decided to double down on sportsmanship next season. That's what Troy Vincent said. The executive vice president. That is not on my official list.

It's a great headline that I saw in pro football talk today and Jake Marsh somewhere smiling from the clouds. God rest his soul. Him and Nolan Richardson. Yeah. Very happy to see that sportsmanship. They were talking about the, uh, yeah, they were talking about the, the nose thing specifically. They're like, yeah, that's a blood symbol. You can't be doing that anymore. But yeah, Hank, there's a lot of rule changes. We're probably going to have to revisit this sometime in August.

Yeah. So there's rules changes, there's bylaw changes, and there's approved resolutions. And you have it all. I have it all. Holy shit. You keep, you task me with this and you saying you're excited and and I feel like I'm missing something cuz by my Research there was two rule changes

Okay, that are significant or like will affect anything. Okay, what anything else and we're gonna We have the bylaws and the resolutions, but those aren't really rule changes. But you have them. Yes. Okay, what what? Where's the when is the gotcha moment? Have there is no? Hank is on edge right now. You think it's you keep being like you have them you have them and I keep feeling you're gonna Be we don't have this. No, I actually have I wanted you to do the reason I get excited when you do research and I want to hear them from you. Okay, and then we can discuss So let's start with the rule changes. Overtime is officially adopting the playoff rule.

So both teams will get a possession no matter what. Both teams get a possession no matter what. How long is the overtime? 10 minute period. Okay, so that now we're gonna have to recalibrate because you win the coin toss. You don't want the ball first, correct? You don't want the ball first.

Okay. Because then you want to know if you need to go for two on a touchdown Score a touchdown. Yeah, that is the 49ers And then the how are we how are the how are people gonna complain about this new rule? More I don't know cuz you know how overtime works. Mm-hmm. We change the rules every year this one And then everyone's like well, this is not fair for this reason It's gonna be the NFL doesn't care about player safety because there's gonna be more plays during overtime That's that's the angle we're gonna go with got it and then the other one or a tie

There's more likely a tie and people will complain if there's a tie. Yeah, that's true I could definitely like a field goal field goal. Yep. Everyone's like well, this is fucking bullshit. Mm-hmm Okay But you get the point you do get a you get a point for it yeah the other one which was done it seemingly to encourage kickoff returns and having teams kick it into the landing zone and not just out of the end zone is that guy standing in the end zone saying return this no that would have been a good rule mm-hmm if you just had a guy like drunk underneath the goalposts saying you should you should really return run it back pussy. Yeah, you got this, dude

I see that I see the hole right there. Yep This is the same Schwartz team rule. Mm-hmm I think we predicted this after week one of last season Which was they're experimenting with the kickoff and then what they'll do next year to make it less likely for teams Just kneel the ball out is make the touchback further out Yeah, eventually they'll just get to all Sam's rules. Yeah, by the way, if you hate this rule, his name is Sam Schwartstein Mm-hmm, and he ruined football. Mm-hmm Hank

Previously if you kick the ball out of the end zone The you would get the ball at the 30 now It's going to be the 35 which would encourage teams to not kick the ball out of the end zone To try and get a return so you can stop them short of the 35. I like that Okay, there's also some alignment. Uh, there's different ways a different way to align which I don't know how that's gonna look. Have they fixed onside kicks? Nope, see anything about here. Uh, they tabled that one onside kicks and I think they pushed the tush push ruling Yeah, they tabled that one too.

I would like them to do a ruling. Does that mean there's no resolution though? There's no resolution. It means that they're going to look at it again at the next meeting. I wish they would. But still this year. Possibly. Yes.

I wish we could do a resolution to ban all talk about the Tush Push. Why? Because I'm sick of every it's going to happen. They're not going to change it again. And I'm pro tush push. I'm sick of them talking about the tush push and whether they should be banned or not just fucking either figure out how to do it yourself or figure out how to stop it. It's gaining momentum though. That's the problem is now

there are up to 16 teams that voted to ban it right now. There's more there's more pushers. There's more support for for the tush push Elon got involved. He was one of the cheese head supporting the Green Bay Packers Yeah, so I I feel like at some point is we banned again It shouldn't be banned the only thing that you can do you can say I don't think the defense is allowed to push their guys But you should allow the defense to also be able to be allowed to tush push on that side I forget if we had this conversation max, but you should be rooting for it to be banned, right? I Don't really care but but in if you're an Eagles fan in a weird way I think that they'll be able to do it no matter what with Jalen hurts whether you push or not

But if you're an Eagles fan, don't you want it banned so you can be like we were so good They had to make a rule against us. Yeah, I kind of, yeah, I kind of said that. Yeah, you said that. Yeah. Yeah. Right. I don't really care. I think it, it'll be fun to be like, oh, we're so, we're so good. Right. My favorite thing though. And it also stops anyone from getting better at it than you, because that's always out there that like someday some team could get better at it than you. And then it becomes what they're known for if You ban it right now. It's the perfect time for it to be banned for the Eagles to go out on top of We were so good. You you made a rule against us. Yeah. No, I'm not worried about that. I like as long as we have our

We as long as we have Jalen hurts and we, and we have our offensive line, like we're going to be the best at it. Yeah. I've drilled down on this a little bit more. So the one way that could make the goal line push more effective, like the better QB sneak, you signed the Rizzler. You get the Rizzler on the lions from the Arizona ice tee. And then you get, yeah. Then you get Pene soul to throw him over the goal line. I like that. I think that that's on style. Little cannonball. Yeah. Yeah. Either way, I would like them to ban talk about the tush push. I'm tired of them debating it. I'm tired of them pretending it's player safety

and then being like, let's add another game at Radmore overtime. It's not player safety. It's never whenever they say player safety, it's never player safety. If they say player safety about the touch push, it's a hundred percent bullshit because I don't think there was a single injury on the touch. But there's never, never been. It's actually the safest play in sports. I feel like we have someone listening into us. Big Dom is calling me right now. Should I pick up? Yeah. Ask him about the touch. All right. Big Dom. Hey, you're you're live right now. We'll cut it if you need to talk or I can call you back. Hey, no, I just got to ask you a question. I wanted to learn about you. We got we're not sure it's gonna be like we, we 10 week, maybe 11. We're thinking 11. I got one ticket to go meet Trump at the White House. And we're

going to go with the team. And I got one ticket. And I thought I'd call you guys and see if our guy Max wanted to come with the team to the White House. We're going to the White House. None're going to the White House. Whoa. White House Maxie? Max White House Maxie? Max? I can't hear him. Max?

Yeah, if I can go with the team, that'd be awesome. He's in. He's in. All right. Hey, Max? I don't think he can hear you. He can't hear you. I'll relay the message. So what were you going to say, Max. Yeah, no that I mean that would be he's in

Can we leave this in the podcast big Dom or do you want us to cut it? All right I wanted to say, I know we missed the parade. We felt bad about that, but, you know, Palantoneo's gonna be there. Merrill, Mike and Merrill are gonna be there. What? Yeah. Is this in April Fools? Max thinks this is in April Fools, Big Dom. It's not in April Fools.

All right, yeah, no. He's in, he's in. He's in. All right. All right, well thank you, Big Dom. He's in. Alright. Alright, well thank you Big Dom. Gotta do the background check. Okay, alright, yeah. That might be an issue. He cleared the stand behavior test, so he should be good.

I love it. Thank you Big Dom. Any criminal stuff we should know about? No, I'm good. I'm good. I'm clean. He said he's good. He said he's good. He says good No, I'm clean he's clean he's clean all right That will not happen that will not heal Alright, thank you big Dom We're gonna try to talk him him into keeping the tushbush.

Hey, love, we were just talking about that. We were just talking about that. All right. Well, thank you, Big Dom. I'll hit you up or I'll have Max hit you up. All right. All right. See you.

What the fuck, Max? What the hell? That was crazy. Max. Did you go into the podcast? That was insane. Do we keep that in? I don't know. Yeah, he said he said it was fine Do we I I feel like it's not fine. No, he said it was fine I plus that means week 10 we I'm gonna call him back because I feel like that's not fine

Don't call back. Don't yeah call back after call back after all right Hey Big Dom, are you sure we can keep this in the podcast? Uh, yeah. All right. All right. All right. We'll talk to you after I need is a, I do need is a social security number. All right. We'll, we'll get that. We'll, we'll, we'll, we'll get it all out after. Okay. All right. All right. All right. We'll talk to you later. Thank you. Big Dom. All right. We'll talk to you later. Thank you. Big Dom. All right We'll cut that second call. Yeah, we'll cut the second call. Holy shit That's you're going to the white house with the eagles. Yes, dude Superboy, you might get in the picture if you're in the picture, that'll be all time

Uh, you gotta I'm like I i i i've midway through I was like, oh that has to be an april fools joke No, he was I mean he like I think we maybe cut it, but like we have that was insane We should probably cut it just because it'd be so good if he's actually those Yeah Yeah, okay. I Mean that was incredible that was that was that was wild that was wild uh Alright, uh Chris long didn't go, but but you can go no he theoretically something's happening Jerry O'Connell. Just called me. What'd he say? Pick up Do you think that was Jerry no big dice big Dom called me

Pick up call Jerry back He probably has like some pole so so so dumb. Memes tell us. So does with President Trump. Memes tell him to do the Big Dom voice. Wait, do the Big Dom voice. I knew it. I knew it didn't sound like Big Dom. I knew it didn't sound like him. This is bullshit. I was trying to do Big Dom.

I knew it didn't sound like him. I knew it didn't sound like him. I'm going to get Tony Hukes to clean it. It's going to be good. It's going to be good. I knew it didn't sound like it. I'm gonna get Tony Hukes to clean it. It's gonna be good. It's gonna be good. I knew it didn't sound like it. That's why... At least I do have...

Oh man. I mean Max, you thought it might be an April Fool's joke, but you thought it was Big Dom playing an April Fool's joke on you. He goes, wait, do you think Jerry... That was Jerry as Big Dom? Oh man. Hank was trying to give you looks, Hank was so screwed. No, I was trying to get you to hang up the phone because it was so obviously not Big Dom. Oh man, Max, how did you- Like, the only way he's gonna buy it is if you hung up, but-

I knew, I knew. No, you didn't. No, you didn't. I said April Fool. At one point I was like, oh, this is April Fool. You thought it was Big Dom? You thought it was Jerry as Big Dom? Uh, shout out to Jerry. That was all Jerry's idea by the way. Yeah, he texted

Should we pull an April Fool's joke on max Jerry loves April Fool's? I don't know if you saw but he did memes he that would have lasted months We could meet you you've been telling me all day how lame April Fool's joke But if you get someone we could I said this is April Fool's No Max don't act like you didn't just buy that don't act like I didn't just fucking say that it was April Fool's as it was Going on everyone that's listening just heard you be like oh my god. That was crazy Should we cut that like we'll cut that second part you thought you thought at the worst it was big dom doing an April Fool's You thought you thought at the worst it was big Dom doing an April Fool's I thought it didn't sound like thank God big cat told you that wasn't Jerry's big Dom. Otherwise, you might have thought it was

Jerry texted us be a pft. He's like he says pies on right? She say pies on a lot This is if he's like maybe throw one in I edit the part. I edit the part.. No you aren't you want join me? I'll put out a directors cut. Yeah, we'll put out a directors cut guys earth Thank you one edit this pod for old time's sake if I mean if max will all listen to it for sure and if max doesn't We'll put out the fucking cutting For a second I thought it was April foolsools, but then Big Cat said it was Big Dom. I did say this is April Fools. I did say that.

I thought it might have been. The more I hear him, the more, yeah, Max knew it all along. No, I didn't know it all along, but I was skeptical. I just at one point, I just at one point thought it was a joke. Like, I also, that obviously doesn't sound like his voice. Yeah. Is it obvious? I thought it sounded a lot,

I think our good friend Jerry's a great actor. I thought it sounded just like Big Don. Jerry loves April Fools. He tweeted this morning, after a number of closed door meetings, Adam Scheffster and I have agreed to split duties managing part of my Take Fantasy team. Haha, April F haha April fools I work alone you want dark web shit I don't think you're supposed to do it all in one tweet no it's okay you just put it all in

one tweet max it's okay April fools he got you oh he's always getting he's taking a break and he's taking a lot dude the fact that he didn't even when he was talking to Jerry it took a second for me to say Something for him to be like oh shit Memes oh he's back. He's back. I texted Hank to hang up oh But I knew if you max not figuring it out the first five seconds like Max just thinks this is real I couldn't believe it could not believe it It's so easy to be the man in the fucking arena when it's not fucking happening to you, you pussy! I've been in the arena!

No! No! I would've seen through that like a fucking glass door! It's so easy to say! It's so easy to say! Max, what day is it right now? I SAID! Fucking April Fools, Hank! I said it! No, you said, I thought it might've been. No! As it was goingools, Hank! I said it!

No, you said, I thought it might have been. No! As it was going on, if you were fucking listening! I just like the... As it was going on, I said, oh, this is April Fools. And then... My favorite part was you asking Big Cat if you thought it might have been Jerry as Big Dom. Because, no, it wasn't. Man of the arena, Hank. Thank you, Jerry O'Connell. You're the best. This is such I fucking hate this

You guys are assholes I Fucking leave you will show you this this this the text went exactly like this It was that was This is my asshole here it is Jerry Jerry sent me a PFT a voice message at 1120 this morning If you want to do an April Fool's prank max I could go into the show and say I'm big does that big dog And then go bing bong, Maxie, it's Jerry, bing bong. He said us that. Oh, fellas, you want me to call in his big dom and invite Max to the White House? He said yes, absolutely.

That's pretty cool. Oh, man. Head on a swivel, Max. It's April Fool's. You know how real he thought it was because he was like, we're going to cut this part where is it okay if I go he asked us that all right where were we rules and it was asking for the asking the Social Security Jerry was trying to blow it no idea no there's a non-zero chance that Max does end up going to the

White House. Yeah There's no your mics not on Do you want me to text big Dom and ask her if you can go? I'll send this clip to big Dom and then we'll make it right This could be perfect it could end perfectly you could go to the White House with with the Eagles I just want to stop talking about it. Can we go on I never wanted to know Jerry's calling me no yeah no this is important oh man all right he's calling he's calling it's okay man you're calling him no he called me I missed the call he's crashing out he's crashing out, he's crashing out. Hey listen, everyone's gonna be there, we're gonna get some...

HAHAHAHAHAHA He's taking... He keeps taking off his headphones! Hey Max... Alright! I get it, I get it! This is just overplaying a fucking bit! ...no ads, I'm serious about that. Alright, we'll talk to you later Jerry. That'd be big Dom.

Nothing about...uh, don about post about Hamas. You're going to be. Hey, don't don't tweet anything about these liberal judges. Well, listen, it's going to be fun to have you there. You know, there's the damn cats in the treasure. Yeah. I thought it was Big Cat. Yes, I'm not. It's one of the Doge guys. You got a...

Max, you got a street park, because Doge took all the parking spaces. You gotta look up. All right? All right, thanks, man. All right, we'll see you, Jerry. I mean, Big Dom. All right, bye. Memes, we might need to...

We might need you to film max editing this part Curious how many times he throws his headphones off at that point, too Big job, I couldn't I mean crazy Max memes you didn't fall for it met big dog Multiple times I met Big Don multiple times. I was still in the studio when you showed PFT the call. Oh yeah that's right. So you knew you knew it was coming. Oh man. Max did you hear the thing about street parking because those are to go to the parking. All right. Tush push. I

hope they don't ban it. I hope they ban talking about it. Fair. Yeah. Yeah. They've also amended rule 15 to expand instant replays ability to advise on field officials on specific objective aspects of a play and to address game administration issues when clear and obvious video evidence present such as unnecessary roughness intentional ground. Oh, that's good. I like that. Yeah. Unnecessary roughness is good. Roughing the quarterback. I think it's a situation where a flag has to be on the field. I don't know. I know they can review it quickly and tell you that wasn't a good flag. Something like that. I hope that they do the super challenge, which is like in a, uh, was it the UFL, USFL where like

at the end of that game with the Vikings and the Rams this year, the face mask, they didn't call him Sam Dardell. Like look at that, it's obvious. Right. Do the flag. Right, or the, there was that Mahomes Texans play where he was like slid and didn't really get hit. I like that. Okay, as long as it doesn't take too much time, if they can do the instant,

you know how they have the instant review for any scoring play. Yeah. And be like, did he cross the line or not? And and they just buzz in I would also like to nominate the Gene Steritor pick a sport yeah pick a sport you're either a football guy or you're either football school or your basketball I'm jeaned out jeaned out at this point too much to decide you just love rules gene we get it yeah yeah get some more blandino going yeah and then there was some bylaws summaries, which is just roster spot stuff kind of a snooze fest to me

Permit clubs participates in postseason to receive two additional DFRs increase in the maximum from 8 to 10 competition committee amends article Do you want me to the Roman numeral? Yes? 18 article 18 xviii section 18.5 of Constitution and bylaws to Not allow April Fool's jokes because it's mean and people might get upset So that's that'll be good. That's a good one. That's good. There was also another one Hank big change Pittsburgh the Steelers basically got tampering legalized. Oh Oh, oh yeah, the Zooms.

For one year only, it permits clubs to have one video or phone call with no more than five prospective unrestricted free agents during the two-day negotiation period. It permits clubs to make travel arrangements with such players upon agreeing to terms. Yeah, so what they did was they moved back the free agency, but now teams are trying to do the thing that they used to do for free agency for the tampering period. So it's's always gonna get moved back. Got it

Then then and then and then are you talking to flake eight? Like is not the haters cuz they ain't us Baltimore Cleveland Houston Vegas, Minnesota, Philadelphia Washington to permit clubs prepare kicking footballs k balls before game day similar to process permitted for game footballs Okay, and are you talking about scouting? No, there's another one. There's a technology one. Oh, what is it? The NFL is going to be using Hawkeye next year. Oh, it's a big one. The chain gang is going to be ceremonial. They'll be out there on the field as long as they're still and they'll use them. If the Hawkeye technology breaks down, but they're doing the same thing that tennis did. I think the EPL also uses it and some other sports use it,

but they're measuring first downs based on Hawkeye technology, which I don't know, it's gonna get it right more often, but I love the chain gang. I love the guys jogging out there, the 60 year old dudes with the chains. Yeah, Mouth Memes, we can hear you. I agree with you, you gotta keep those guys out there.

Yeah, but now we're gonna get it Right, they'll be there. They'll be just you know still dressed up still looking good on the sidelines, but they're gonna be using The the space age technology. Yeah, did you guys also see the Pittsburgh reporter Mark Cavali who might have fallen asleep? We had a sleep gate. Yeah, I love it. He might have fallen asleep while Mike Tommin was talking Did you see that Hank? It was great. Nothing better than a sleep gate. Yeah, I love it. He might have fallen asleep while Mike Tomlin was talking. Did you see that Hank? It was great Nothing better than a sleep gate. Yeah, I was not asleep. He's having to go on shows right now and be like I was not asleep Yeah, I mean listen, it's the it's the owners meetings. You have this is the most important time of the year Yeah, it is funny like seeing Jay Glazer was just casually flexing that he was just at the pool with pretty much every single head coach

That was pretty cool Yeah, that would be a cool spot to be so art Rooney said that he he thinks that Rodgers is gonna sign with the Steelers Oh, he said we keep hearing that he's I guess headed in our direction. So that seems to be all signs are positive so far He's working out with DK. Yeah. Yeah, so he threw with him yesterday. Yeah, that's a great time It feels like it's gonna happen We also had Jimmy Haslem come out and basically take a big dump on Deshaun Watson, which I think we all like good job Jimmy Haslem finally admitting it. But he said about Deshaun Watson, we took a big swing and miss with

Deshaun. We thought we had the quarterback and we didn't. And we gave up a lot of draft picks to get them. So we got to dig ourselves out of that hole It was an entire organization decision it ends with D and I so hold us accountable Sean Watson still on the Browns right he is yeah, yeah, that's very funny They're just talking about him like he is not on the Browns anymore I assume he's just not gonna be active at all next year even they can finally cut him they did I saw a video of Him getting rehab done the other day. Did you see that? No male masseuse. Oh Smart smart. So is the Sean Watson over under? Starts the Sean Watson has the NFL for the rest of his career

Three and a half. Mmm, I was gonna say the over under should probably be point five I was just like one and a half maybe like a random. I Think he'll do it. You think so? Yeah. Some team will try. Some team, he might just not, I mean. He might just not try, yeah.

If they give you $230 million, at that point your career should be done no matter what it is. Why are you gonna go out there and get hit again? Yeah. What else? Oh, the NFL has captured Christmas fully. We predicted this, but three games on Christmas. Can't wait. It falls on a Thursday this year. LeBron, Adam Silver, bad idea. Bad

idea. And I saw the reminder pop up in our calendars for next year on Christmas bet on all the away teams. Right. Because it's going to be like, because we have a family in town for the home teams. And we have a sample size of two sample size of two which it's iron clad yes I love it I'm gonna do it I'm gonna do it max are you back are you back max sure I'm done what what do you mean don't with this show I'm done with this episode I'm opting out for the rest of this episode tell us where so upset max cuz April why you're so upset Max. Cuz April Fool's is the lowest form of comedy. Agreed. This is worse than when they filmed your

butt crack. Yeah this is just embarrassing it's more so embarrassing than I... But again you probably gonna get to go to the White House. I don't even want to go I don't want to go. Wow, Lib of the Year. Wow, damn. Another news, Tiger Woods is playing in the Masters. Yeah, he is. I saw. Yeah. What, he woke up and his Achilles just felt good? He's been sleeping in a hyperbaric chamber, which has a lot of oxygen, allows your body to heal quicker. And he woke up somehow feeling great, like he grew out there in play.

So he is announced on his X account, X.com, the Everything app. It's all happening on exit He's going to be playing in the Masters. Wow, you guys see Camp Smith he stubbed his toe. So he's withdrawing from live Miami event, but he's having fat Perez replace him Oh, really? So he's playing a professional tournament. Yeah, that's crazy. That's incredible that Perez is going on the live tour. Yeah Oh, that's awesome. Yeah, these are all real things that cool Wow Yes, remember, I think it was yelling without the mic Oh, I think was three years ago LeBron James when he tweeted I'm out for the season officially see y'all in the fall

King piece. Yeah. Yeah, that was that on this day in sports I was crazy out for the season the DOD King is gonna start using teas. Oh just got me Yeah, one just got you I couldn't believe it shit. Remember when Julian Edelman announced that he was signed with a buck in years. That's right Means tell us what's happening in there right now Max it just keeps thinking about how embarrassing it is He said I get throwing stuff against the wall and he's trying to break the tech deck right now. Oh What what Hank he's listening yeah, but what you say I'm trying to break the tech deck right now. Oh, what? What Hank? He's listening.

Yeah, but what are you gonna say? Let's pretend he's not. I just, I'm excited to see the footage of him editing. Yeah, him having to listen back to it. That's bad. No, Pug is editing the show. I will be editing. Oh, did you see, actually speaking of Pug,

he's not a Pug. Yeah, I didn't see that. Insane speaking a pug? He's not a pug. Yeah Insane you treated I am NOT a pug. I'm not a pug. That's crazy. I am NOT pug. That's wild April fools he is pug you see that Luca Donchus got traded to the Los Angeles Lakers. No way. Yeah for what? Davis or something $50,000. Yeah to him and the impractical jokers Yeah, the Mavs Muse tweet that we saw that the other Yeah. Damn. And the impractical jokers. Yeah. The Mavs Muse tweet that we saw the other night. We traded Luca for an impractical joker. It was just Anthony Davis with all of them. Um, all right. Other news, Buzz Williams, new coach Maryland. Yeah. Good for Buzz. Good for Buzz. Smart move for Buzz. I have a question about

Buzz. Yeah, we like Buzz. Yeah. He's always been great on the show. He seems like a good dude, great coach. The jobs that he's had, I don't really see, is he advancing or is he just going to different schools that are kind of at the same level? So this move, I believe was a smart move by Buzz in the fact that the SEC has gotten a lot better. He has kind of maxed out what he's got at Texas A&M. His team was a lot of juniors and seniors. So why not move and reset the clock? Yeah. Pretty good. Yeah. Also... Like you're basically resetting the clock with a new fan base who is hungry for someone to say, I love you.

And Buzz Williams obviously is coached in the area with Virginia Tech. He's accomplished. Good move to reset the clock, Buzz. We're rooting for you. Yeah. So it's Maryland in its DNA is a basketball school. So at least he's going to have that. They're going to be like, hopefully, Maryland, this is a sign of them committing to basketball a little bit more.

Texas A&M is always going to be no matter what, way, way, way, way, way more football. I still think that Maryland can get it slapped out of them to be like your basketball school. Yeah focus on that There's a lot of good local talent. Hope buzz does well Max is still bitching. Yep update memes update memes. Give us an update I'm not gonna he helps you guys get into a car accident. Oh Shit before after I pick up my kids from school max No kids, okay, no kids max all right. That was very big dom of you We don't get the children involved can't tell you a little story max about April Fool's

It's the worst. It's the lowest form of comedy. It's my brother's birthday shot at the will Happy birthday will is it actually yeah? Oh, that would be a good prank. Let me say Happy birthday, Will. Is it actually? Yeah. That would be a good prank. That'd be sick. Max, when I was in fifth grade, fourth or fifth grade, my dad came to school and he had the principal page down and say, get little PFT out of class.

His dad's here. He's got his glove. He's going to go to the Orioles game. And then I go to the front office. My dad takes me, puts me in the car, starts driving me out of the school parking lot. And then him and my brother, my brother bounced up from behind the seat and they said April fools You're going back to class. I had to go back to class on opening day opening day baseball And you know what the next year I actually got to go to opening day cuz my dad felt so bad

That's pretty cool. Maybe you'll go to the White House. I don't even I don't even want to I don't I I actually think you might Told that story date on episode one. It was one of the first. Yeah. Yeah. I don't even see I't even want to I don't I I actually think you might have told that story date on episode one It was one of the first yeah, yeah, I don't even see I didn't I just I'm I just hate that I fell for it Yeah, yeah, that's what it is now. We're getting there Oh, I hate you guys It's the little it part of me wants to teach you about you're getting your guard up, but like I actually don't no don't yeah I did have I But like I actually don't know don't yeah, I did have We I said you as big cat if you thought that was Jerry's best big Dom That was the person you asked the murderer like did you murder that person and then when they said no you're like all right

He's clear. Oh Man, no, that's not I said it you weren't paying attention during the phone call. I said this is April fools Yeah, but then after when Jerry called it. You weren't paying attention during the phone call. I said this is April fools. Yeah. But then after when Jerry called you, you pulled out your phone. You don't, you don't remember that. You don't remember that. I said it in the middle of the max of the initial phone. Okay. But then after the phone call, I said that after the phone call ended, you fucking didn't listen because you never fucking listened max. You have to accept the fact that you fell for it. You fell for it. I know I fell for it, but you guys are fucking pieces of shit. You deleted your pro Hamas tweets.

You fell for it. We'll cut this. Yeah, no, we'll cut that part. I'm cutting some of it. No you're not. Yeah, I am. No you're not. No you're not. No you're not. That was a good April Fools by you, to pretend that you were cutting this.

You guys are such pieces of shit. Like, you're such a pussy. I wasn't involved, by the way. I was rooting for you to catch on. You just never did um also It's like the thing it's like you say something and then if someone's You guys are you gotta save this you should be angry at Jerry You really that's the thing is PFC and I were I'm not an April Fool's guy. No, neither is PFT Jerry text us and said hey should I do this? What are we gonna say? No, of course.

And we thought that Jerry would call in and it would be instantly. No, he left the room again. Taking a lap. He's taking a lap. We instantly thought that Jerry's voice would be recognizable. I thought at least apparently not. We instantly thought that Jerry's voice should be recognizable I thought at least Apparently not. I'm gonna go look for him. Listen If mere big cat had no, no, you can't go you can't you can't go play. I have peace Oh, then you go pee. I'll find them. No, but you just said you're gonna you feel bad Okay, here's your salary if mere Big Cat had done this April Fool's prank

on Max, it would have been dumb. It would have been stupid. If memes had done it, it would have been just mean. Right. If Hank had done it, it would have been also mean. But the fact that Jerry did it is great. If I come in today and you had said to me, let's prank Max or April Fool's and be like, really? But the fact that Jerry hit us up, it's like, yeah, we got to do it. We got to let Jerry do it because Jerry's the man He's an actor. He's an actor He's an actor does the best performance out of Jerry and decades. Oh my god We should get him we should actually see if we could he should be an actor

We should get him listed on like there's no way we're still talking about this. There's no way we're not We're talking about Jerry O'Connell being a good actor. It's totally different We should see if you get nominated. What show is this? This is just a this is just pardon my April fool's just like every other lame ass fucking podcast and America is all that's what this show is we're just some fucking no, it's laughing the other way It's my favorite part of the show This show now sucks next get so so mad at us for making fun of that. He says that the show sucks Show is terrible. It's a lame-ass show. Ah

Did you see so Buzz Williams to to to Maryland? Good for Maryland happy they got that resolved quickly because it would have sucked if it was like a long search and buzz is a good Coach. Mm-hmm. Did you see see Seth Davis sort of almost realized what fandom is? Was he mad at Maryland fans? So he tweeted last night, uh, fans fire the coach. If he doesn't win enough, coach wins enough leaves for a better job. Fans. Where's your loyalty? So he's almost figured out that fans root for the jerseys in the school and the coach, if he wins, they will love him. And if he loses, they'd want him fired.

Yeah. What are they supposed to do? Be like, yeah, get out of here. Go get a better job. No, right. Fans. Here's the thing about fans is fans want their teams to win. Right.

If the coach isn't winning, then you're like fire that guy. Cause I'd like to win. Then when your coach is winning, you're like, sweet guy cuz I'd like to win then when your coach is winning You're like sweet. We're winning our coach kicks ass stay forever. I hope you don't leave right It's I don't I don't understand how these guys cover the sport and they're so out of touch with how fans think they're just pissed Off that that the is he mad at fans for not supporting their coach for leaving I think so he also I think he's saying that it's hypocritical for fans to be upset if a coach leaves, or sorry, to be upset if a coach loses, but then to also when they win be like, you can't get

another job. But fans don't root for coaches. I know one fan that does. Yeah, that's true. There is one fan that does. But fans root for schools and their coaches and they root for schools. Yeah, that's true. There is one fan that does. But fans root for schools and their coaches and extension of the school. And if it's going well, they want them to stay. If it's going bad, they want them fired.

That's literally how sports work. And here's what sucks for Maryland is that Maryland should not be a stepping stone job. No, Maryland should be a job that a guy should want to stay at for a long time. But as of right now, guess what? The reality is it's a stepping stone job. Yeah. And hopefully that's done. Hopefully buzz sticks around. I just love it because I think college basketball might be the premier sport in terms of guys who cover the sport that don't understand how fans think and also just will defend coaches blindly no matter what. Well, sometimes it's like that in sports where there's not a huge fan base that the journalists

that cover it get so like addicted to the coverage on the players and the coaches that they don't understand the fan base. In college basketball, it's always been like this. You are going to have fans that hate when their coach leaves. That's the reality of the situation. Yeah, we went through this with Ed Cooley and stuff when everyone was like, when a lot of the national reporters are like, why is it a through this with Ed Cooley and stuff when everyone was like when when a lot of the National reporters are like why why is it a big deal if Ed Cooley leaves in conference? Yeah, guess what fans are hypocrites?

Yeah, yeah, no shit. It's fanatic. We are yeah Speaking of fanatic. Did you guys see Michael Rubin trying to throw a baseball? I didn't see that old clip It is. Yeah. Oh, well, it's still funny. I thought that was April Fool's. I I don't I don't really I Oh, well, it's still funny. I thought that was April Fool's. I don't I don't really uh I hate when people do like the old clip thing because sometimes clips are funny no matter when like there was the guy who uh, The the guy at the brewers game who's just pissing in the concourse And I just tweeted it yesterday because it was opening day for the brewers and everyone's like old clips like Yeah, it's still funny. Yeah, like I didn't say what day it was. Every year when Jason Derulo falls down the stairs

at the Met Gala, that's a great day. Pete Weber. Is that, yeah, right. There's some, we should do like a study. There's a sect of people that just love saying, that's old. Old clip. That's an old clip. Gotcha.

But yeah, the Michael Rubin. I mean, that's kind of, I do. Yeah. Try and just keep you guys. No, no, no, I agree. I appreciate, I wasn't the way was something. I mean that's kind of I do yeah Try and just keep you guys. No no I agree. I I appreciate I wasn't saying it was you I'm saying I it was more about the Milwaukee Brewers fans like I literally just tweeted It's I'm an animal for pissing in the sink, but this guy and everyone there was a bunch of people in like old clip, bro Okay, it's still funny. Yeah guys fucking pissing in the concourse Funny clip anytime a guy goes hogs out in public Either a crime or funny. Yeah. Yeah, never both anything else before we do hot sea cool throne

max How would you say the start of the show is gone? Great Do you like the show again when you I think you were out of here when Max crashed out again and he said, this show sucks now. We're just some lame show that does April fool's jokes. He's, I think he's been, he's been hitting for the cycle for like, you guys are running out old bits.

Yeah. It doesn't pay attention. Yeah. Bring back. Do you wash your apples? Yeah. Cause you never pay attention. That you wash your apples? Yeah. Cause you never pay attention. That was like, what?

Oh, there's one other piece of information that came out yesterday. Yeah. Jamis Winston. Yes. So I'm not as my cool giant. Okay. Also, uh, one other piece of information. The, uh, Thursday night football can be flexed now. Yes, that's actually awesome So is it like 21 days in three weeks? Yeah, three weeks you can flex the Thursday that that kind of sucks If you had like if you get flexed to a Thursday night game and you can't make it in person to that Thursday night agreed But it should I I feel like they're gonna use it very sparingly But it should save us a couple and you know what what? Actually, now that I'm thinking about it, I'm saying out loud, I don't like this rule because there is something about a really

bad Thursday night game late in the season that it feels like a bonding experience. It's a Colts Broncos game. Yes, it tests you as a human being. Yeah, it's like if you can sit through this. Well, last year it was the Rams and the Niners. Yep. But that on paper shouldn't have been a bad game. It was just a shitty experience. But there's something magical about like late November, you look at the schedule, you look two weeks from now to Thursday night matchup and you're like, Oh God, look what we're going to have to deal with here. And then guess what? You power through it together. Right. And

you make it a fun time. And it's, we've said this before, but Thursday night football, the magical part of Thursday football is it's the beginning of the football weekend. So it's like, I would much rather have a bad Thursday night football game than a bad Monday night football game. Monday night is your last bite of football. And they're going to do probably divisional games, like meaningful games. Yeah. Thursday night football is not as Thursday football games last year. Yeah, but the fun thing is Thursday night football is not meant for meaningful football. No, I agree with that Yeah, there's a football game. It's an appetizer for the weekend. It's like this will remind you of football at times

Mm-hmm, you'll recognize the guys as the center football will get some touchdowns, right? But ultimately it's gonna be kind of shitty They're not gonna have enough practice and then once the weekend starts you're gonna be like look at this great slate, right? We laughing at and last year there was there was the last four was a sandwich like the Detroit Green Bay game was great Then it was the 12 to 6 Rams 49ers the Seahawks Bears one was bad And then the Seahawks Bears one was the last one six to three. Yeah, that was really terrible game Yeah, but that that that touchdown throw the kale Williams through with the penalty Sick throw forget sick throw

Michaels probably had something to do this is he still on yes all right, so they're just trying to keep out Talking yeah, they're talking about Bob Costas. No, what about him the retirement tour? That was last year in the playoffs when he stunk remember that he's doing one masters wait He's doing the Masters not Bob. I mean not sorry sorry. Oh, no. I don't think we did because I think we taped early on Thursday. Yeah an 11-year retirement tour insane I love it. It's insane. How did he reach that date? It's his contract. No, I thought it was the it's the Yeah, which is bullshit. So he's gonna stick around he's gonna cut the hundredth year anniversary of the Masters Yes, I mean he's one up our good friend Dan Patrick,. You know, he did the, he's doing a four year retirement tour right now. He's in the midst of it. 11 years is just absurd. Yeah. You

could easily die in those 11 years. You know what? I'll just say it. I'm going to retire in 20 years. 20. You have 20 years of part of my take left that's if you do 21 it will be 30 oh so we got your 21 years 21 21 if we do sweet 20 wait 21 years would be 30 total oh from right now right yes why don't we just do 41 and get to 50? I kind of like walking away at 21 years. But no, but 50 years is part of my day. 30 years? I don't have 50 in me. 50.

PFT. Let's do 50. I don't know. 30 in me. 30 years. I'll be 60. Hank, what is your retirement? Counting down the days.

Max, when's your retirement? An hour ago He might quit right now. Yeah, I Got ten more years. I've opted out of this episode. You got ten more years in your hang Ten more years then what you're you're ten years younger than us you fucking bitch I Can see myself doing it until your guys listen I got news for you There's gonna be AI podcasts that just do new part of my takes that we have no control over by that point Yeah, so if max gets pranked on April Fool's by the AI podcast not our fault. Yeah, this isn't even April 1st

You'll be arguing right now is April 2nd as we're how did you start? How'd you start this show as we're sitting here? It's April 1st. Today is April 2nd. This is the finale of this last show. People are gonna listen to this show tomorrow and be like, what the fuck, April Fools was yesterday. Early release? No. No. Definitely not.

This button is getting pushed so late. Pug is actually pushing the button. Yeah, so before midnight. This story arc of the crash out has been incredible. I just love, like... I don't even wanna go, it's just embarrassing. It's just making me feel I hate how much he is upset, but the funny, like his two biggest crash outs were a butt crack and a paper fools joke, which by all accords are like not big deal. Yeah. One of them. I actually say like Max Max gets it more than almost anyone of all the things

that crash out of right. Like we were, I was talking with our good friend Peter Strayer who? Congrats to him on his new job ESPN and he was he was because he loves watching like parcel content and he was saying that if Rico had thrown his phone like Rico threw max's phone on Saturday He would have like flipped out and I was like no max's max's cool. He gets it He's cool with everything like he didn't even flinch when his phone got thrown, but god damn it if you get him with April Fools. It's just, I just feel like such an idiot and a loser.

You're not. It's so easy to just pick up on April Fools jokes. That's what's pissing me off. Hank, I'm sorry for saying you didn't listen. What about an apology sauce? No. Saying our show sucks? Well, April Fool's content, April Fool's content is terrible content.

It's my, it was a good reaction from me, but. Yeah. Great job, Matt. No, no. A good, in a way that I don't want it to be good, and it's embarrassing, but it's a, I, whatever, I'm just shutting it in. You're starting, you're slowly starting, you're slowly starting to figure it out. Good reaction by me, but I'm mad that I had that reaction cause it's not what I wanted

to be, but it's still good. Correct. Yes. Now you're getting it. Yeah, no. So like the past five minutes is, uh, is me just being like, I wish I just didn't say anything. I didn't realize that I got it.

So I'm, I'm going through the full range of emotions during this episode here. You're doing it. Well, Jerry first called me at 2 46 So it's been a solid like 30 minutes of just going through all of this. I've blocked Jerry's number by the way He kept texting me and I said I'm gonna block your number and his number is blocked. Okay, good All right, hot sea cool throne hot sea Throne is brought to you by Body Armor. This episode is brought to you by Body Armor Flash IV. Body Armor Flash IV is packed with electrolytes and provides faster and longer lasting hydration with no artificial flavors, sweeteners, or dyes. With great tasting flavors like strawberry, kiwi, and tropical punch, Body Armor Flash IV gives your body the rehydration it needs to recover. Get yours at a local 7-Eleven or Amazon today. We love Body Armor Flash IV gives your body the rehydration it needs to recover. Get yours at a local

7-Eleven or Amazon today. We love Body Armor. We drink it all the time. Hot Seat Cool Throne brought to you by Body Armor Flash IV. Hank. My hot seat is Jackson Profar. Okay. He's been suspended 80 games. That's not his name. It's not. Jurexon Profar.

Yep. There it is. Jackson. Whoops. Yikes. Damn. I'm embarrassed as Max right now. That's tough. I Just kind of skipped the middle of his name. Yeah, you did Jurek's in Jurek's in profile has been suspended 80 games for violating MLB's PED policy Just sign with the Braves. The real hot seat though is the PED. Mm-hmm. What is it? It's a hormone produced by the placenta after a woman becomes pregnant. It plays a crucial role in maintaining and supporting early

pregnancy. That's its human... Is this a masking agent? HCG. No, this is probably why Philip Rivers had such a long career., if that if that stuff rejuvenates you his son by the way is like gonna play college football soon. That's crazy Oh, but no you're probably right because it sounds like what happened with Manny remember when he had the masking agent He just fucked up the days. That's a great story What Manny was successful using steroids and they had a system where it was like you just have to take the masking agent on this Day, and you'll pass the drug test because of they had they had that the dates mapped out and he just fucked it up So how can we blame the Yankees for this Hank? I? Haven't gone that far. Okay, we got to figure it out. Yeah, there's more torpedo bats

The other team yeah, the Yankees are trying to ruin baseball no no, but everyone else is using them now, too Yeah, the Yankees are trying to ruin base. So it's more the torpedo bats, the Yankees are trying to ruin baseball no no but everyone else is using them now, too Yeah, the Yankees are trying to ruin base, so it's more the torpedo bats than the Yankees well who invented the torpedo bats I don't know but several teams have this I think it's a guy actually it's a guy from the Marlins invented them Really yeah, I saw it was MIT Marlins Institute of Technology. I thought the Yankees hired the guy from NASA He developed it the torpedo bats and now they're getting used. It was MIT which actually you could say it's a Red Sox problem. That guy's probably a Red Sox fan. The man who created torpedo bat is Miami Marlins field coordinator Aaron Leinhardt. And who owns the Miami Marlins? Marlins man? Nope. Cheater. Cheater.

Cheater. Okay. And they're really good. My ones are. Yeah, they're dark horse to win the NL East, right? Yeah, they are. Okay. What's your cool throw? My cool thrown is giggles, laughter and fun. Yeah. Specifically, if you're in the New York, New Jersey area, because James Winston, new Giants quarterback in a press conference said he wants to see the Giants win more games so they can have more giggles, more laughter, and more fun. And he adds that they don't have the look of a 3-14 team. I really, and I know you guys love James. I do love James too.

Great guest of the show. I don't like the Giants. I don't really like Russell Wilson. I would love to see them go to in 15 But be like what if they had more giggles? Right and that way he could be right about them not having the look of a 3 and 14 team Yeah, would it be worth it to go 3 and 14 while also leading the league in fun? I think it might yeah, he's also not gonna play again

Yeah, which is bullshit. So it's like I don't like what's he can't control the guys laughter and fun on the bench I yeah, I think he might play I think Jamis might play this year I also know he can control the giggles laughter and fun Yeah If you look at at Russell Wilson you say this guy's gonna start all 17 games for you in In a situation where if the coach loses a lot he loses his job There's no chance that Russell Wilson starting all 17 games. Mm-hmm zero Agreed

And then I guess it's an embrace debate. I'll wait we can do it at the end See what you guys if you address it, okay. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, my hot seat is the crown Yeah, the crown the college basketball crown is on the hot seat people couldn't bet on it. Mm-hmm Now I'm fucked up now you might say well people are surely going to watch the crown even if you can't gamble on it Wrong that's the whole purpose of this tournament is to give people like big cats something to bet on After the NCAA tournaments over and it's also a sweet sweet vindication for our guy, NIT Stu, who is, he takes on all the new competitive tournaments to the NIT every year. And guess what?

He was there before you, he'll be there after you. That's fact. The NIT is the granddaddy of them all. It was the national championship before the NCAA tournament came around, which he will be the first to remind you of. So he wrote this up and his explanation for why he thinks that the crown did not work is that

Fox Sports did not go through the proper channels to approve the games as being sanctioned by the NCAA to be allowed to be gambled on. Crazy. How do you not do that? Really? The only thing that you should have been worried about. That's what we wanted to do. We wanted to watch the crown, bet the crown. Also Loyola is in the final four of the NIT, I believe they are. Yeah. Yeah. So Texas Loyola. Cal Poly Cal Davis. I got the last one. No, I don't. I forget the last one. I almost had the last one. That's pretty good, though. Three out of four. Yeah, they're playing them at a hinkle. The last one is Chattanooga. Oh, it's UC Irvine. My, my, my fault. UC Irvine. Chattanooga, Loyola, North Texas, UC Irvine. Love it. Final four. My cool throne is the Jets. Oh, I had that as well. And the culture around the Jets. Because Woody Johnson is offering buyouts. I think two thirds of the employees are going to be taking a walk after this year memes. Is that correct?

I believe so. 60 percent? Now, I have a question, PFT, because I had this on my hot seat as well. Does this have any... I'm not trying to become a Floreo Rossini type, but Woody Johnson the other day was on record when asked about the F grade that he received from the NFLPA survey report in February, he said, my first thought was it's totally bogus. Does it have anything to do with thinking that the report being like, it's not me that's the problem, it's everyone else?

And then trying to buy out half of the staff and telling them that they have a culture problem. Is that anything related? No, no, because what you're missing out here is that Woody did his own study on his own organization. Okay. So they had a comprehensive study and the exercise has identified opportunities to operate, align and innovate more effectively per the jets. Got it. Because it does separate. It does seem to me like there was the NFLPA survey, the jets failed and Woody Johnson just said, fuck this. I hate everyone here. I'm firing Because it does separate. It does seem to me like there was the NFLPA survey, the Jets failed, and Woody Johnson just said, fuck this. I hate everyone here. I'm firing you all.

So what a totally normal reaction to have instead of looking at the mirror and saying, how can I be better? Woody Johnson is firing everybody else. Correct. From the Jets, but himself. We'll see what happens. So two thirds of the employees means I think you got to say like, maybe, maybe a good thing. It could you gotta say like maybe a good thing. It could be a good thing just being like, well, we've been losers for the past 15 years. Let's just get everyone out. Let's get everybody else changed, new blood.

Or he could be trying to get the leak out by firing everybody. Or he could just trying to be hiring like everyone that will just do whatever Woody Johnson says and make sure they don't fill out the NFLPA scorecard. Yeah, those are snitches. So he's saying if I buy out two thirds of my employees, then I have like a 66% chance

that I got rid of all the leaks. Yeah, possibly. Did he do an email? Was he like, in five words or less, tell me what you did to improve the jets last week. I'm not, I'm not sure. But isn't the NFLPA? Oh, yeah. Filled out by the players. Yeah. But you would think the culture in the room and the building, he can't fire all the players. Probably will try five words to fix it. Remove Diana Rossini from signal chat. Problem solved. from signal chat mm-hmm problem solved it feels like a good feels like a normal normal reaction to have right memes yeah he's got to go yeah yeah okay my that was to be my hot seat was all the people at the Jets organization that don't align with Woody Johnson's culture my cool throne is analytics because our

friend Jim Harbaugh said on analytics, math tells the truth. Yeah. If Jim Harbaugh's big on analytics, like you can't, he's our shining beacon when it comes to football guy who also adopts analytics. I'm starting to think that maybe math might be a football thing. Yeah. Because when he puts it that way, I've never heard, if I had a math teacher in high school that told me that, I would have been like have been like oh okay math is kind of hardcore somebody told Jim Harbaugh that

like hey in mathematics you either get truth or you find out everything else that's a lie and he's like well that's that's what I do he like that's his personal philosophy of how he runs a football team somebody made math appeal to football guys that person should get a raise. Absolutely. Also side note, I went to my son's parent teacher conference this morning, and he's exceptional at math. And when I looked at his report card, I was like, oh, you're great at math.

And he said out loud in front of his teacher, he said, yeah, that's because of mommy, not because of you. And I was like, yeah, true. I'm terrible at math. But it hurt right in front of the teacher-shirt to basically called me a moron I mean he can't he's doing like addition still right two plus five Sometimes struggle with it. He's like dad dad thinks that 12 doughnuts is really 13 Why is he always adding in sevens?

Okay, do you guys want to do my embrace debate? Yes, uh Cindy Sweeney and her fiance split up Do you think that he is? down bad or better off like he Down down bad in the short term, what's he up to better off in the long term As he has he been seen cavorting in public He hasn't

she's been seen at at Glenn Powell's sister's she's the one who's canoodling. Yes. He's been doing like, yeah, engage Sydney Sweeney. She's a professional like her profession to be matched up with super hot co stars. That would have constantly been an issue. Correct. Or like it's not you know, no one wants that. So so down bad right now, but yeah, I think longterm would have to, you'd have to be a very confident man to be able to deal with your fiance or wife, having the entire internet be horny for her at all times. So yeah, that's what that was my Glenn Powell is like, he can deal

with it because the internet's also horny for him Yeah, so it's kind of that that's an equal playing field, but yeah, I think long term He's probably like you know what that was that was gonna be tough Yeah, I think anytime your engagement ends. You can't be you can't be up big at that moment right especially when your Fiance is dating Glenn Powell publicly and your fiance is Sydney Sweeney correct. Yeah, correct. What do you think? Pal publicly and your fiance is Sydney Sweeney, correct? Yeah, correct. What do you think Hank? I? Mean kind of what you said it's obviously like it sucks if you're you're gonna get married and you're not you're down bad but I think like like you said long term, it's he's gonna be better off and Ultimately living a more normal life

Yeah, and also he probably like like the press the videos of like cuz again, it's like Cheaters in romantic comedies like you have to do the press stories where you know You're selling the romance of your co-star, but like that's brutal. Yeah. Mm-hmm Hank. I think you should date city, sweetie Mm-hmm. I'm down. I think okay. I think that's what the podcast needs be huge for the podcast Yeah, you could handle that right the entire Tony about him. Yeah, you guys actually make a good cup. Yeah, I'm down Yeah, he'll he'll be okay, and I think he also will have she pretty good be from Chicago. She was like at Butch McGuire No, she's from

She's from like that weird fiance was from Chicago She's from that weird place in like so Wyoming probably knows a city per Idaho Some Valley she's in that circle in Idaho. That's like what goes on here and people like she's from Spokane Yeah, okay, so close Spokane, Washington. Yeah close enough. So let's see Yeah, I'm gonna read about her See what she has in common with you. She I listen fiance. If he still lives in Chicago, come by.

Let's grow out. Sydney Sweeney was raised in North. Okay. So I was right on that. Yep. Yep. Let's grow out, dude. We got your back.

We'll hang out. Uh, watch the ball with us. He'll be fine too because telling a girl Yeah, my ex-fiance a Sydney Sweeney. I'd imagine that does well. Yeah for sure I'd imagine that says that she likes to fix up cars Hank. She can repair your grill. Oh or Vanny woodhead What's the update my girls fixed? Vanny woodhead is getting fixed. Hmm. We're getting into the spring. I know. Okay good Hmm. We're getting into the spring. I know. Okay. Good. Um, she's got tremendous boobs and you love boobs. Mm hmm. That's true. You guys are practically meant for each other. Like I said, I'm down. I'll say it again. I'm down. Nice. Nice. Love that. April fools. Oh, that's good. That's smart. That's a trigger for watching more. It's a trigger for Max. Okay, let's get to to our interviews We got Bruce Pearl and then we have Min Woo Lee and then we'll finish with some listener FAQs

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Congratulations first of all and I had to ask right off the bat, uh, it's kind of like a people forget that when you get to cut down the nets and you're going to San Antonio and you have a final four again with this Auburn Tigers team, people forget that you guys had a fight on a plane to start the season. Did you ever think you would be here? Because it is kind of, you guys were so phenomenal all year that that was completely washed away and it's probably a lot of credit to you, but it's been a wild season. Has that any, has that entered your mind going to San Antonio and being like, man, this season started in a weird way.

No, you know what? But what jumps out at me, big guy is the fact that on that trip we went to Houston and we had to play an incredibly well coach, hard plan Houston team, um, where we were going to find out whether we're going to be physical and tough enough as we progressed through the season to be able to be successful. And, um, we played one of the best games that we played all year long, particularly late in that game. And I think once we were able to beat Houston, um, or at least be on compete with them, um, we felt like this team had a chance to be pretty special.

Yeah. And you're right. You cut down the nets. Is that the net right above your left shoulder there? Is that the actual? to be able to compete with them. We felt like this team had a chance to be pretty special. Yeah. Yeah. And you're right. You cut down the nets. Is that the net right above your left shoulder there? Is that the actual net? No, that was that actually, that was the 2019 net.

So I still I'm hiding this net and not sure where we're going to display it. Yeah. That's a tough question. It's like, what do you do with a great net? Do you, I would think maybe frame it up. It looks like you just put a nail through it and hung it up on the bookshelf. That's it. That's it right there. That's kind of, that's kind of how I roll. I'm not really

in a frame. So just hang it up and get, let's go get another one. I love that. Yeah. I would do the exact same. Just maybe put some chewing gum and stick it to the wall. But you got to, you got a great game coming up against Florida. Um, you are the underdog this week. Last week and you were like, yeah, we're going to, I'm going to self appoint ourselves as underdogs against Michigan state. Um, I think you guys were favored in that one, but it was, it was a fantastic game. You actually are the underdog going into this weekend and you've lost to them once this season. So, uh, what, what did we learn from the loss to Florida that we're going to take into this game?

Well, BFT, listen, I was not going to allow us to go in against Tom Isow in Michigan State, where he was 10 and 0 against the SEC in the NCAA tournament and eight and two in the elite eight and let anybody say that Auburn's not the underdog in this matchup. I don't care what the book he said. And we've been that way all year long. We were picked 11th or between 11th and 15th, someplace in the preseason. And we managed to be number one for a while.

And then, you know, we go in as the overall number one seed. Florida handed it to us. They put 90 on us. They made 13 threes, they had 22 assists. They played beautiful basketball in our building. And it was one of the bigger wins of the year in college basketball. And so they're not worried about us or afraid of us or intimidated by us.

Uh, they've seen it before. Um, but it'll be a great matchup. And I do think it'd be a matchup of a great backcourt and a great front line. Um, and, um, and, uh, you know, we'll have to make some adjustments. Obviously they put up 90, uh, we're not going to be playing on Monday night. Yeah. So it is fascinating that you, you guys have played all three of the final four teams. You beat Houston, which you mentioned early in the season, you lost to Duke at Duke and then you lost to Florida. How much of those games do you take when scouting, you know, in April or is it like, Hey, we're throwing that out. We're a different team. Now that

was all the way back in November or December for Duke and Houston case. Well, you know what? You, you, you, you still look at the matchups. I see these coaches are successful because they are who they are. And, and this is what we're going to do and go stop it. And so there's not going to be a lot of tricks in the bag and things like that. There'll be some adjustments. We'll certainly have to make some adjustments because what some of the things that we did, you know, weren't successful. That's what you look at. How much of these teams, two things, how much of these teams improved since the last time

we played? And then, and finally, and probably the most important, what do you have left in the tank? How much more step up do you have? Like for example, in Atlanta, Jani Broom demonstrated that there was step up to even a guy that's the candidate for the national player of the year. You know, Denver Jones proved that there was step up to even a guy that's the candidate for the national player of the year. You know, Denver Jones proved that there was step up. Um, and so did Todd Pettiford and a lot of our guys did. So if we can continue to step up, um, we'll continue to win. Yeah. I, uh, I love watching Pettiford play. It's so much fun when he gets hot, there's

it, you can just feel it. I think it was, uh, the game against Michigan where I even tweet. I was like, he's getting hot right now. And you could see it. Like he hit one step back and then it was like the next three minutes. He just owned the game. Does he always have the green light or are you sometimes having to say, Hey, uh, Todd, maybe, maybe let's pass the ball a little bit. Because if I were his coach, I would give him the green light all the time. I'd have, I'd have us losing with him shooting 40 times. Well big cat, that's why you're doing what you're doing. And I'm doing, I'm doing okay.

Because listen to hide, we need him and, and his teammates need him. But one of the things that you've got to do to be on a great team is you've got to all have a little bit of sacrifice. You got to share it. Miles Kelly needs shots. Denver Jones, the number two, we got to put the ball in Chad bigger bizarre as hands. We got to isolate Cheney. We got to get the ball to the big fella. Jen I brutal. We got to get cap, you know, some close ones and some lobs the rim and get them in spots to offensive rebound. In other words, we're only as good as the sum of our parts, but we clearly need the little fellow to make shots and, and, and to make reads. And so, yes, he does have freedom where, um, he knows what he's supposed to do and when he's supposed to do

it. Okay. So I have their bet. Has there been a game? I think there was one game. I think maybe it was the Georgia game where he went off where you just looked at him and you're like, it's yours. Go ahead. Like you, you got this. Yeah. Well, he knows it. And you know, there's a, there's part of the reason why he banged one and then got three more is because my office and coordinator, Mike Bergamaster went to him and, and, and, and those guys know the looks and they know the plays. And look, if you just let him do whatever he wants to do, whenever he wants to do it, then your floor may not be balanced in transition.

You may not have good offensive rebounding opportunities. So timing and spacing of some of the shots that he takes is absolutely vital. And he, and he understands that even though he's a freshman. Yeah. I did notice that he changed his shoes at halftime in the elite eight. I don't know if you caught that. Maybe he wasn't feeling himself in the first half, but he came out in the second half. I was like, okay, it's on because he's, he's identified the problem.

Now he's wearing the blue shoes is going to be hot. The second half. Was that a coaching point? Did you tell him? I didn't notice it, but that's, that's the play. That's the freedom you give your players. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, that's true. All right. So another freedom guy, uh, Chad Baker, Mazzara. I love watching him play. Love that guy. He's he to me and you can tell me I'm way wrong, but like sometimes it feels like he might be the heartbeat, the energy heartbeat of your team

in terms of like, he is very, he wears his heart on his sleeve. He's had some moments where he's been kicked out of games. Do you when you're coaching him are you telling him anything like giving him any guidelines or are you saying hey we know that we feed off of what you're doing because there'll be times where I think it was actually in the Michigan State game where it was like he stole the ball. He got a jump ball he got a rebound like it all happened in like 60 seconds. You could feel the game shift just off of his energy. Yeah. And I'll tell you what, big cat, even though he didn't score great in Atlanta and in the sweet 16 or the elite eight, he affects the game in a lot of ways because he, he, he gets his hands on a lot of balls at six eight eight with those long arms. Um, he's a really, has great understanding about how to defend, how to communicate.

Um, and, and, and he makes a lot happen. I, a lot of times when you give the ball to, like, for example, I want, when I give the ball to Todd, I want him to score first, score second, then make the easy pass. Um, with Chad, I just want him to play. Cause he'll score, shoot, and make the right read nine times out of 10. And so he's got a great field of game. He's got stuff you can't teach.

Yeah, he's got feel. And that's why I think you like him so much. Yeah. And yeah, he wears his emotions on his sleeve. He's passionate and he's just got to channel that emotion into being something positive. And he's and he really tries to do that. Yeah. I love watching him play.

You're right. He plays with his heart. I'll see if as a coach, when you're watching him, do you, can you sense like, Hey, it might be time to get Chad on the bench just for a second. Let him take a couple of deep breaths. Maybe do some meditation, send him back in. 100%. Absolutely.

Um, you know, teams are going to go after them. They're going to cheap shot them. They're going to grab them. They're going to hope that maybe he can, you know, lose control and, You know, teams are going to go after him. They're going to cheap shot him. They're going to grab him. They're going to hope that maybe he can lose control and, you know, a missed shot or a bad call or things like that. You could tell if he's going to overcome it quickly or just get him out, give him another minute or two and he will always recover. But that's a good feel that you have to have that he has.

And he always bounces back. So one of the one of the wildest parts of the game, the elite eight probably had had your heart up in your throat for a little bit was when Junaid Baroum came out grabbing his elbow looked like he was hurt. I'm a lip reading expert. It seemed like he said, I'm done. Like this is it for me. Is that was that what your impression was?

Were you were you shocked to see him come out of the locker room and say, Hey, I'm good to go this is it for me. Is that, was that what your impression was? Were you, were you shocked to see him come out of the locker room and say, Hey, I'm good to go? Yeah, I was. I thought that we were gonna have to play the last 10 minutes of game without him. And I knew that Dylan and Cheney and the rest of the guys could hold it down defensively. I also knew that without him, our offense would be compromised and we'd have to do some different things. Um, but when he came back out of locker room and I heard the crowd first. And so then I sort of turned and saw him walking towards me, kind of a stoic look on his face. I wasn't sure whether it was just coming

out to support his teammates or whether he's going to go in the game. And so I looked at him. I said, are you okay? He said, I think so. I said, do you want to go back in the game? He said, yes. I said, well then get your ass in there. And it was good timing because Dylan Cardwell was popped. I was either going to have to sub somebody or call a timeout and let Cap rest for a little bit. So it worked out. It worked out pretty well.

It was a Willis Reed moment. Yeah. And if you know, I broom or his family were ever wondering how valuable, how much he is appreciated by the Auburn family. That state farm arena was as loud when Jani broom walked out as Madison Square Garden was when Willis Reed walked out. Yeah. It was it was a great great moment. So how's he feeling? Are you obviously are going to not give us a straight answer, but maybe wink at us or something? Like, is he going to be good to go?

Come on. Big cat. I wouldn't do that. I just wanked. He just wanked. Okay. So he's good. He's good to go. All I could tell you is that, is that he's not going to practice for a couple of days. He needs to rest and recover. Um, you know, and, and, and all year long, he's bounced back from injuries, a shoulder, an ankle. And I have no doubt that he'll bounce back from this, but we probably won't move him much until Thursday. Okay. If you had to cut one of his arms off and he only had one arm, would he be in your

rotation? Yeah, he would be as long as we were cutting off the right arm, not the left. He needs that left arm pretty much. Yeah. Okay. That makes sense. All right. So your matchup against Florida, this interesting because you, Todd golden, you, you hired him onto your Auburn staff when he was very like he was, you know, he was in the private sector. Then he coached assistant coach to Columbia for a couple of years. Then he took, take a shot on him. His career has been taken off. He's done great things with Florida. So it's a little bit of a, you know, teacher and student thing. Is there any part of that where you're game planning, where you know

him well, he knows you well, where you try not to outsmart yourself? Um, you know what? I don't, I don't think so. Um, you know what? Uh, not only did I hire Todd, but I hired Todd when I first got the Auburn job. In other words, when I hired my son, Steven, and I hired Todd and I hired Harris Adler and a couple other guys that worked with us that first year, um, you know what? Um, I surrounded myself with, with, with friends and family. Tony Jones joined me. He was with me at Auburn. And so, you know, and then we brought in the legend Chuck Person, who was a great, great player here.

And, you know, so I trusted Todd. And, and he really got his teeth cut here. I think he watched the way we wanted to try to run our program, saw some things that we did well, saw some things that we didn't do well well and then went on. And he's obviously, he played for a great coach at St. Mary's. He's worked for some great coaches. And so it's no surprise to me that he's done big things at such a young age already at Florida. Are there any though wrinkles in your game plan where you're like, I know he knows how

to stop this because he knows it because he's, he worked with you hand in hand for a couple of years. So is there anything that you, you're like, Hey, we know he's going to expect this. So we got to have maybe something a little bit different from it. Yeah. I think there's, there's a little bit of that, but, but there's more than anything. Look, they know how we play. We know how they play to the best man win. I mean, I just think that sometimes at this point of season, we're not going to, we we're going to tweak, but we're not going to tinker. Yeah. I mean, we are who we are and, and, and we know how we play best and

the things that we do best. And that's what we're going to roll with. Uh, I, I don't know. You probably didn't see, well, you probably saw it afterwards. The Houston Purdue game, uh, the blob at the end of the game by Kelvin Sampson. Do you have a blob that if I put a gun to your head, I was like, this has to work. Otherwise you're dead. Do you have a blob that you're like, this will save my life? Well, we school 48% of the time on under basket, out of bounds place. Okay. And that wreck in the top five in the country. So it's a very, very dangerous place to have the basketball. Um, Purdue does certain things in their coverage or with how they X out off the inbound passer, Calvin Sanderson knew that.

So he put their inbound passer in a position where he would anticipate that he would jump off the ball. Therefore leaving that window of opportunity available. And, uh, he probably had that one in his bag. He just used it at the right time. Okay. Yeah. I've always wondered that if you've got a great play like that, I would burn it

like on the first blob of the night. I'd be like, yeah, okay. Let's, let's use the play that we're going to score on. How much does it take discipline to keep your best blob in your back pocket? It does. It does. We had a pretty good blob against, um, I think it was, yeah, it was Michigan where we actually slipped Janie Johnson to the basket, anticipating that

Wolf would jump out and switch. We hadn't run that play all year long and it was about six or seven minutes left to go in a game and it was, it was, it was a big bucket for us. So yeah, coaches have got to have some of that stuff in their bag. Now do you, I know it's a little bit of a different situation, but do you ever see a, do you ever run a great slob and then you're like, I'm going to use it as the blob. Oh yeah. You could, you could turn that thing around.

You can slosh the Bob blob. You can absolutely slump the blob. You can blob to slob. You can go backwards. Not everybody can, but I can. That's experience. Yeah. So, uh, I gotta imagine there's some additional pressure on you as well, knowing that you, if you lose, you stand to make Charles Barkley look like a fool, like a damn fool on national television. I look Charles Charles, I think pick Florida, win it from the jump. I think his bracket has Florida and I think Charles's bracket actually has flowered advancing

and winning the national championship. So um, you know, Charles is large and he's in charge. Yeah. He's in, he's in charge of his own bracket. I do think he had us getting to the final four though. I do. I just don't think he had us going all the way. So he had Florida beating Auburn in the final four. I think he did. I think he did. That's either extremely disrespectful on his part or it's he's a great friend

because he's, he's giving you extra bulletin board material. Yeah. Well, Charles is a great entertainer, so we try not to take everything he says seriously. But listen, there's nobody... I'm happy in so many ways for Auburn. I'm happy for the university. I'm happy for our leadership. I'm happy for our student body. I'm happy for the student athletes and their families that have all, you know, done so much to get their sons

to this point in their lives and now being rewarded with, you know, being at the top of everything. I'm happy for my coaches and their families. And I'm happy for my family. You know, they've been so incredibly supportive. And we just shared in this life and we share in this, you know, in this success. And, you know, we're incredibly grateful. And I won one national championship in division two back in 1995. And, um, I've, uh, I, um, I'm getting closer to, you know, where this is sort of, I'm playing, I'm clearly on the back nine.

I don't know that I'm playing the 18th hole yet. Um, but I'm running out of holes. I'm clearly on the back nine. I don't know that I'm playing the 18th hole yet. Um, but I'm running out of holes. I'm running out of time and um, uh, this would be a, there'd be no time like the present to get a national championship. It'd be big for the conference too. You're rocking the sec on your shirt right there. Yeah. Some conference pride. If if Florida were to beat you, would you root for Florida in the national championship? Are you that are you that pro SEC? You know what? I probably would because of Todd But I gotta be honest. I've got great relationship with both John Shire and Kelvin Sampson and think a great deal about them and as

competitors, so Yeah, but they would understand that Todd would be more personal than just about the league but Man, I you know at some point there's gonna be a picture of the final four coaches I'm glad to be one of them and I'm even gladder to be in that picture with three guys that I know and Respect really well. Did you so the SEC obviously had a phenomenal year? Did you see the stat though that you guys were only 500 in in conference play? you guys were only 500 in conference play? Yeah, I thought we would have been a little bit over 500 in conference play, but that one caught me by surprise too.

Okay. But fortunately, we were a lot better than that in non-conference play. You know? So that was the thing that we had to overcome all season long. And no matter what we did all year long, we just couldn't get over that 500 mark. Yeah. Well, I mean, even worse than that, a bigger black guy for the conference, I think, is that you guys are going to set the record for most NCAA tournament losses this season. That's true. Pretty crazy, right? Like overrated maybe?

Now there you go. That's not the spin that I'm looking for right there. And I'm not going to be a party to that. 14 out of our 16 teams went seven got to the sweet 16, you know, four made it to the lead eight and two are in the final four. So, you know, sometimes, you know, sometimes you don't deliver. I think the sec has delivered. It just means more. It has been an incredible season for the sec. I had a, one other question about your end of the season. So this is also why I'm podcasting and you're coaching. You guys finished the end of the season losing three out of four kind of felt like it was fading a little as if I were coaching out of been like, Hey guys, we suck. It's over. Like we suck. What was

your message though to the guys? Because that was the, that was kind of a weird time where people were like, Hey, Auburn has had their resume is impeccable, but what's happening here when we're getting to March and it's, it's time to play good basketball and they, they lose a couple of games they probably should have won. Well, yeah, there's two ways to look at it. One way and this is the way I looked at it. We had Clint C SEC championship at RUP a week before the season was over. And we got to go play the number three seed and the NCAA tournament, Texas A&M on senior night. All right.

We don't play great. They play well. We lose the game. Um, all right. Then we got to come home and play our arch rival, Alabama. We'd beaten them in a one, two matchup in Tuscaloosa. It'd be great to get the brooms out and sweep them. Nobody wants to lose to your arch rival.

And we get beat on a, on a buzzer shot in overtime, I think, or I don't even know what. Anyways, a buzzer shot. They were two seed. Obviously got to the Elite Eight. Then we go to the SEC tournament. We beat Ole Miss for the third time. Oh, by the way, they were in the Sweet 16.

So the wheels weren't coming off. And then we lose a game any SEC tournament to Tennessee They were to seed got all the way to lead eight. So we lost the three great teams and No, you're right though. We weren't playing our best basketball I do think that we got a little bit of a wake-up call against Alabama State My associate coach Steven Pearl called us out. My captain Dylan Cardwell called us out Said some things that needed to be said. And fortunately in the second round, we, we played one of the best nine seeds in

the history of the tournament and Creighton Creighton had been to four last five sweet sixteens and that was our matchup in the eight, nine game. By the way, the eight, nine game is so scary for the one. Yeah. Cause those teams are all capable of beating you. And, um, and we had to play really well against Creighton. And once we played really well against Creighton, I knew that if we had missed a step, we were back. Yeah. Yeah. I like how you said your associate head coach, Steven Pearl, is that how we do it? Not your son. No, no. He's my associate

head coach. So is there, is there like a, is there a line that crosses where it's like, Hey, when we're home and your mom's around, we'll, you know, w we can be father son, but when we're in the locker room, like we're, he's the father of my grandchild, Lanie, Lanie Marie. That's who he is. Yeah. Yeah. And so see the coach, you know, and, and, and he grew up, he grew up little buddy. He grew up as little buddy. The guys all, the players all called him little buddy. So, um, I know I, I refer to him as son, uh, but he's my defensive coordinator and means my associate coach. And we're playing for a national championship this weekend. So that's awesome. Yeah. That being able to share that with your son is, is really, really cool. Cause you know, I mean, like you said, you, you don't know how

many more years, but I, and I assume that your son is going to be a head coach at some point. So this, this isn't just unlimited amount of time. Yeah. Yeah, no doubt. And, and, and big cat, he's a big kid, big fan of Barstool, big fan of you guys. And you guys will enjoy having him on and yes, to come way more. He's way more entertaining than I am. Um, but look, Steven could have left Auburn years ago and become a head coach. A lot of different opportunities were out there for him, but you know what he wanted to stay. He wanted to help his father. And, um, you know, there's a little, there's a little Godfather in this family, you know, I didn't want this. I didn't want this for

Steven. I wanted it to be, you know, Senator Pearl, President Pearl. I didn't want him to be associate head coach Pearl, but that's the, but this is the business we've chosen. Yeah. I love that. Yeah. I appreciate that. You're like, I don't know.

I want you to do better than I did. I was the one that was out here grinding as a basketball coach so you could achieve something. I was like, dad, this is the line of work. This is it. It's in my blood. Yeah. Oh man. Have you?

So one thing that we always pay attention to as fans is is the big gyms that you have to shoot in sometimes in March. So you're going to be playing in San Antonio, not necessarily known as a shooter's gym.

It's a big, you know, big a lot of room behind the basket. Is that something that you guys can prepare for? Is that something we overblow as fans watching the games trying to sound smart? No, I think it's probably a factor. I just hope that wind is at our backs for the whole game. And you know, it's such, I'd say the hardest thing about playing in a dome is it

takes me 20 minutes to go from the court to the locker room. Right. It's like, like a workout. Like, you know, it's like, it's like three quarters of a mile to get from the, you know, for the, and then if you make that walk three or four times, you know, you kind of get your steps in for the day. Um, and so like, I've got to leave, I probably only going to talk to my team for like five minutes at halftime. I will have to leave early, uh, to be able to get on a court for the second half tip.

Yeah. Like that. Uh, was it the Deontay Wilder fight where he took like seven minutes walking out to the ring by the time he got there, he was gassed, got knocked out. Yeah. Yeah, you got it. You got to play that advance. Maybe get a scooter Yeah, or like a golf cart to drive you out. No, I i'm not i'm not quite scooter age yet Um, I have got my arp card and if I did get a scooter I would get a senior citizen discount But i'm not i'm not there yet. Yeah. I mean, I just going to find a way to make this limp look like a swagger.

Yeah. It's not, it's, it's definitely not there yet. I'm not there. Yeah. I mean, you have been a mainstay in coaching for a long time. I, I always think back to, uh, to the Tennessee days and how much, how much different college sports have become in those 15 years, has anybody from the NCAA ever reached out to you and been like, Hey, sorry, sorry about getting you in trouble for having a cookout for feeding your players hamburgers? No, no, I listened.

Uh, no, they haven't. And, um, you know what guys, for me, honestly, the reflection is, um, uh, like even if you do make mistakes, you know, God offers us grace. And, and, and I don't know whether it's, there's any thing that kind of go along with it, like you have to act a certain way or be believe a certain way in order to get the grace. You know, I back in the day, I was accountable for my state mistakes, you know, cost some people their jobs and the families of my coaching staff and so I let some people down for sure, but I got a second chance and so there are a lot of people that have accomplished a great deal but without a second

chance they wouldn't be where they are. So listen, I am just nothing but grateful, you know, to Auburn for giving me the opportunity to get back into coaching and, and, and, and, and, and, and, you know, let me lead this, this incredible university. By the way, you guys are too young, but you don't have kids old enough to kind of go to college. Like you should really, really look at this place. I went, I went down. We, I, we saw you this year when we went and did the live show and I was just like this place. You guys were going for the Cal football game. You guys were going for the Cal football game. I can't remember. It might've been Cal. I can't remember what weekend but it was awesome. It was incredible. Like it's picturesque. I as long as I have three kids, one of them has to go to Wisconsin and the other two could go somewhere like SEC warm.

So that's fine. Well the badges have got a great football environment. Yeah. Randall and that's good. It is. It's pretty when you say Wisconsin, you said it all. All right. Last question. Last question for you coach Pearl. Um, row back question. R H O B A C K.com promo code. Take 20% off your first purchase. Q Zips, polos, hoodies, joggers, shorts, row back.com promo code take. All right. So I'll, I'll end the interview with how I started it. Let's just say you guys win on Saturday Houston wins on Saturday It's Houston Auburn Are we doing a simulated fight in like a ballroom on a plane before that game?

Just so what like out of out of tradition before you play Houston. No, no, we're not gonna do it But listen, I want to tell you a little secret about Calvin Samson. I we actually resemble each other I'm a little darker than Calvin, his hair is a little darker than mine. And we decided a long time ago that if we ever got caught in the wrong place, he was going to be Bruce Pearl and I was going to be Calvin's Dupes. But fortunately, neither one of us travel in wrong places. And so therefore we don't have to worry about that. So no, that'd be like playing my step brother. Yeah, that'd be incredible. It is. It's a great final four. It's pretty

cool to be part of, you know, going into it, the best final four on paper that has ever happened because you all four teams are just so, so good and so dominant. So congrats again. And it's, it's always fun to talk to you. Hopefully have you back on maybe, you know what? We'll, we'll, we'll request associate head coach, uh, Steven Pearl after you guys win the national title. That'd be a way, way better interview. But guys, I hope, I hope the product delivers, but I do think you're right. I don't think you can name a fifth team that this year deserves to be playing for the national

championship more than the four teams that are alive. And there's something really, really good about that. Yeah. Yeah. Agreed. I would agree with that. It should be a great matchup, two great matchups, and then hopefully a great championship game. Yeah.

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No, I'm waiting for it. I think it's on a Wednesday usually, so I'm waiting for that notification, and I think it will be a sweet one. But thank you. No, it feels surreal. And yeah, it's, it's, it's a strange feeling because it's, you know, you're doing it every day life stuff as a usual week, but in the back of your head, you're like, yep, I just won that tournament. So it's a pretty cool feeling. Yeah, it was, it was a very fun final round and, and there was one moment that I'm dying to know about you hit it into the water. What hole was that Fort 16 hit in the water 16 and Scotty Shepard's you know obviously the guy right behind you in terms of the score scoreboard.

We like holy shit. This is all going to fall apart right here because I know that like from a average golfer when you hit in the water you're like that's it. We're packing in for the day. Yeah. A little bit of both. You know I was so mentally like locked in that there was there was a little bit of doubt because I know I know Scotty made birdie on on the 16th green and I can see that the only place I couldn't go is the water and decided to go over there, make it a bit interesting. But a bit of both, a bit of both. You are thinking, hey, you know, this set, I mean, what was it, the fourth shot that I hit after, you know, the tee shot was not easy. The second tee shot, because you don't

want to hit it too far left because that's the tendency. You hit one right, you're going to hit one left. So I managed to get it somewhere down there and then I hit it to, you know, had like a nine-nine in and it wasn't like the easiest because there was a little bit of mud on the ball and mud on the ball makes it go everywhere. So I had like a 30-footer and made made my bogey, which was, I think, I think reasonable for that. And then, you know, it was kind of game on, uh, made two really nice paws and got it done.

But it was, you know, I was hoping Scotty didn't make 30 on either 17 or 18 cause that would have made it a lot. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you're, you're a lot of fun to watch. I like you for a brief moment on Sunday I despised you and I'd like to give you a chance to clear it up to explain things so we can get back to liking you again The eighth hole. Yeah took 30 minutes to play the eighth hole

I think I said that we got to start stroking guys after after you complete that hole I just mostly say we got to start stroking guys because it's fun to say But it took you 30 minutes a half hour to play the eighth hole you hit your first shot Under a tree and then you tried to figure out what you were gonna do Can you walk us through why that hole took a half hour? Yeah, um did Someone needs clear clear that up Was it 30 minutes just waiting on the tee as well because we waited for a good five ten minutes there. That's a good question I don't know.

So I mean it didn't feel like 30 minutes but I think part of it was waiting on the tee because okay that was obviously a moment that on social media everyone's like yeah 30 minutes it shouldn't be like that you should start stroking guys but I mean a couple holes later we like caught up to them and every hole was slow from then so yes that hole was slow but shouldn't be like that, you should start stroking guys. But I mean, a couple holes later, we like caught up to them and every hole was slow from then. So yes, that hole was slow. But I mean, we had to wait every hole on the back nine. So it's not like it made that big of a difference. Yes, it was slow for that hole. And I'm sorry about that. But I mean, I had a tough decision. I mean, as an aggressive kid, I wanted to get on my knees and hit that shot.

But my veteran caddy out here was telling me, hey, and it happened. That exact thing, what he said happened. And it could have gone either way. In my situation, I was like, okay, the lie is okay if I take a drop. It's a bit of a bear lie. And I didn't hit my 2 iron good out of there but I thought if I could whack it out 20 yards and still have a shot onto the green, I can easily make a par that way but there was obviously risk involved. So hopefully you like me after this but it was like it looked. Obviously. No one wants to take 30 minutes, but yeah, it took a while

I mean there was obviously the whole situation with the toasty stuff, but That I mean, yeah Yeah, where is that right now? Cuz you did have a slow playoff That was going on that that toasty was being accused of then slow playing you by walking behind you Love it. This is what we was what we in for golf, two guys to slow play each other. How, how, how have you talked to them or is it, is it beef? Yeah, no, no, no. There's abs. That's the funny thing. There was, I had no clue what he was talking about with the rules official on eight. So I didn't know

anything, anything about that. I didn't know how it's, I didn't know if it took 30 minutes. I didn't know if it took 30 minutes, I didn't know if he talked to the rules official because after I hit my shot I walked to the fairway and he was talking to a rules official and I heard Bones say like why is he talking to a rules official after all this time while he was waiting for me and why couldn't he do it while I was hitting the shot. So there was a bit of confusion there. He was obviously talking about how slow I was but in in my defense, there's a hundred people right next to me and I can't look over to the other side of the fairway.

To get a number, especially on 18 as well, to get a number from the spring club, there was no crowd. It's easy. Like you can, like my caddy can step up, step it out. When there's people like around you, it's hard to get a yardage. I think that's a reason why range finders may come back in. That would have made it easier. I would have hit the shot within my time limit.

There was no beef. There was no beef. I mean, props to him. He stayed toward the end after media, after my trophy presentation. So he stayed like an hour and a half to say, this is what happened on social media. And I took a glimpse of it on social media. I opened my Instagram, I saw something about it,

and I was like, I don't care, I won the tournament, like whatever. And it looked bad on Toasty, because he was obviously walking back there. but he, he said he, uh, went to the bathroom, which fair enough, that, you know, you're going to be a hundred and 150 yards behind anyway. So, uh, I mean, for the guys that want drama, like, I'm sorry, it didn't, I don't think it's as beefy as it looked like. Uh, but no, I mean, I'm fine. We're fine. I think we're fine. But yeah,

I did like that the end you had some fun with it and you did the aim point for your, what like three inch putt to win the whole thing. And did you see the clip that Scotty actually laughed as well, which that, that, that we need more of that in golf. That was fun. Yeah, that was funny. I mean, yeah, yeah. I just thought it was a funny moment. You're never going to do it ever any other time unless you have that. And, uh, you know, I'm a bit of, bit of the man of the people, you know, and I try to try to make some fun out of it. And there was no beef about that with Toasty or anything. I just, I just told my daddy, Hey, would it be funny if I did this? And

he said yeah and it was just one of those things that I'm a bit of a jokester so I just thought of that in that moment and uh yeah it was funny imagine if you had missed that though yeah did you did that in the 15 seconds after you did the aim point you're like I better fucking make it now well I wouldn't have done it if it was like three feet. No, that's, that's a bit of a different story, but because it was such a, you know, tapping, it was fine. But, uh, yeah, it could have been bad. If, uh, I think that, I think this, I think social media was like, Oh, that's a bit tough and bad because like, you know, putting is hard and short parts are tough, but that was, that was short.

Yeah, no, I liked it a lot so you have three M's that you've credited with your success would you like to explain what the three M's are three M's three M's the the mustache is one the mock turtle neck is the other and then the mullet is the third I'm not seeing did you trim up the mullet a little bit no actually, the last time I trimmed it up was, Vic Blends, he cut my hair in Arizona for the waste management. So, and then I obviously got some highlights

to have a bit of fun with it. And yeah, I might have to keep that. So there was a moment in between where I had the mullet and the highlights. So I might go get the mullet again. And then the moustache, I've had it for a year or two. And yeah, it's just one of those things where it just stays and it's just your look. What was the other M? The mock turtleneck the mock turtleneck. Okay, that's um

That might be in the making so look out for it and I'm looking forward to whatever comes out You know big week next week, so it might just make a appearance then. Oh, yeah. So, how are you feeling for Augusta? Can you win it? Uh, I think so. I mean, last week was a very big turning moment for me. You know, after the players a couple of times, you know, I faltered a little bit and I just locked in last week. I don't know why. I think I was a bit embarrassed about how I went about on Saturday at the players. I think that's just all a learning curve. You want to play as good as the first two rounds, but when you're sleeping on lead and when you're doing that, it's just part of it.

You have to take a moment to realize what happened, how was I acting, how was my body language. And I think that was a big part. The second time, obviously, at the players a couple of weeks ago, that was a huge moment for me. So, and obviously, a couple of weeks later, I bounced back and took the dub. So, I think pretty proud of the way I handled myself. And that's going to be massive for times coming. Yeah. Augusta would be a pretty cool one. I play pretty good there. Uh, so, uh, yeah, we'll see. Yeah. So you've played, this is your fourth masters at Augusta. So do you feel like you are getting to a point where, uh, you know it better and you can start playing it, you know, in a more aggressive fashion, because it feels like when we talked to guys about Augusta, it's like the first couple of times

you're just kind of in awe and you don't really know all the tricks. And then once you start figuring it out, you, you can start playing the angles and figure out where your shots want to be. Yeah. Uh, it's a bit of both. You need to hit it good. Obviously you need to be on, on your game. Everyone can just say, Hey, yeah, Augusta is Augusta is this this this but you still got to hit it really good. I came I don't know 14th in my first year and I got really comfortable with it. I don't know I just I love the way it shaped for me. Not too many like very straight holes.

You need to do something off the tee which I love. That's why I play you know pretty good at the players too. It just, saw brass just suits my eye. I don't mind hitting a draw now and then. And when everything's kind of firing, it's fun. And I just love the week. There's something, obviously there's something about it, but you just have this feeling that, I don't know, you get there and you're like,

shit, this is it. This is, this is the big dance. So yeah. Yeah. Yeah. In the, uh, in the full swing documentary, you were, they were talking about you and your sister because her sister is a very good golfer. I think you said that she's better than I am at some point. Uh, and that if you practice more, maybe you'd be as good, but you just sometimes don't feel like practicing. Do you have you, you change up your practice game at all since that taped? Have you like dedicate yourself more to it? Yeah, the last few years. Yes.

I mean, we probably recorded that a couple years ago. Right now I can say that I work hard and I don't feel like I leave too much out there. But yeah, yeah, I guess. Yeah, you change your routine a little bit. You know, when you feel tired, when you feel this, you know, you don't want to do it, but you kind of push yourself to do it. And obviously that, you know, it's helping. And yeah, I was always a talented kid. You know, I always, you know, kind of took the shortcuts, but you can't take shortcuts here. If you want to

beat Scotty, you got to work hard. You know, you got to play good and practice hard to beat all these top players. So, uh, you're going to fall behind if you don't. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, I got a dumb question. Uh, and I'm sure you get asked a lot, obviously growing up in Australia, how many kangaroos do you have you seen and have you ever had to fight a kangaroo? I said it was a dumb question. I said it was a dumb question. Yeah, no, no, no. It's actually, you know, at the golf course that my coach used to coach at there was kangaroos everywhere on the golf course. So I think I related a little bit to kind of like dears, you know,. Some courses have deers on there and this

course had it and there's a few courses that have. You don't really see them too much in the wild, like in the city and stuff when you drive around, but in golf courses and some bush areas you do see kangaroos and no fights, nothing. You know, you go up to them and they usually run away, but some of them actually get up on their tail and try to box you up. But normally they just run away. So not really a dumb question, but yeah, it's, it's chill. Okay. Kangaroos are cool. Follow up dumb question then. How many spiders or snakes have you killed in your life? I have, okay, spiders, like everyone thinks spiders in Australia are like massive and I don't think I've seen one that's, you know, bigger than, bigger than my fist. It's

that's a big spider. That's a big spider. I mean, okay. So I've only seen like a couple of them, but you just leave them and if you're in a clean place, like you're fine. But if you're maybe in the desert, in the bush, and you know, you don't take care of your house, you're probably going to get some spiders. But you don't, I mean, you don't kill too many spiders or snakes. I've seen two snakes in my life and you know, they just run away. So we got snakes on someone being in Australia. It's not that it's not as bad as what everyone thinks

We got snakes on golf courses here in the United States Exactly. Exactly. Toasty. I mean, okay. Okay an argument dumb question. Whatever What about guns bro? Yeah, what about like I think They're a bit better than guns to be honest good boy Good the only way to stop a bad guy with a spider is a good guy with a spider. Good point! It's a fair point. So that's my question to you guys.

Yes, very fair point. That's fair. Heard that you got a nice congratulatory FaceTime from Justin Bieber. Is that true? Okay, yeah. That was wild, you know? I had my phone on Do Not Disturb because there was about 100 messages every second

when I was doing media. So I put on Do Not Disturb and I checked my phone log and there's a couple friends and then there's Justin Bieber. And I'm like, shit, I just kind of ghosted him. He probably thinks I ghosted him. So then I messaged him, I said media blah, blah blah blah. And I was on the flight to Vegas and just got on the plane and he Face timed me and I was like, holy shit, this is pretty epic moment. Yeah, it was a very cool moment. It was very cool. It's, you know, my girlfriend's crazy. Usually my friends

of girls are going crazy about that. I mean, I go crazy. I talk to him a little bit and he's a he's a legend. So and he loves golf. So it's it's very cool. Yeah, it's awesome. So I saw a clip of you when you were trying to you were running some nicknames by some people. Good nickname to have we settled on Woozy? Woozy is probably the Woozy's I mean, Woozy came from my call of duty like gamer tag so that's that kind of and I put on my yardage book on the on the back of my pants and that kind of grew a little bit and then obviously got got chef and the chip inskey stuff, so Yeah, yeah quite a few nicknames. I I took the liberty of jotting down a couple others if you'd like to hear

I like this just kind of brainstormed You can tell me what you think. What about your Australian? What about the woman onion? Mmm That's pretty cool. That's good. I'm an onion pretty cool Kanga woo Jack Yeah, that's good. That's good Kanga. Okay, that's good. Whoops. I did it a men Mmm That's good. Kangaroo. That's good. Uh, whoops. I did it a min. That's more of a Britney Spears lyric. A min. What's the, what's the a min for? Like whoops. I did it again.

The Britney Spears song. Yeah, you're a Bieber guy. You're a Bieber guy. And then the last one is woo min Cinepied. Okay, that's pretty cool. The woo min Cinepied. I like that. We should get, does PGA Tour Have any, uh, events this year near Chicago? No, they got rid of, didn't they get rid of it towards the, like it used to be a playoff event. Cause there's a guy who stands outside Wrigley field named Ronnie

woo woo that he just woos all the time. That would be sick to have him out with you just wooing behind you. Yeah, there was a BMW, right? Yeah, the BMW. Yeah, it used to be that. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Next time, next time you guys are in Chicago, we got to get Roddy Woo in your crib. Yeah. I like that. Yeah. So how are you feeling about Augusto? What would be his success? I mean, right now, I mean, sky's the limit. I feel good and I like the course. I've got the record for the front nine. I just need the record for the back nine and hopefully we can put it all together. I feel very good. That's all I can say. Yeah, that's a good feeling to me. By the way, I should have congratulated you from the start on being technically a better golfer than your better career than Jack Nicholas

Because you've you've surpassed his career earnings. So, oh, okay. Yeah, that's that's great. Yeah congrats Yeah, that's gotta feel good That feels good. That feels good. I mean, yeah to say that I'm a better golfer than Jack Nicholas. Yeah, it's pretty cool I mean, it's it's in the I don't know what your career earnings are going to be after you won on Sunday, but he earned, uh, 5.7 million in his career. That's pretty good. That's a lot of money. Yeah. And you've, I think you have surpassed that officially. So congrats on that. That's huge.

I mean, you know, all be crazy would be inflated numbers. What he, and that would be, that would be a joke. Yeah. Yeah. So our producer, Hank, is a big golf guy. Spends, I think, 90% of his time golfing, 10% working. But he's a big fan of yours, as I think we all are. And he's got a question for you. Yeah, I was going to ask about the toasty thing. But I guess I'm curious.

I was watching a video of some other pros talking about how much they visualize Augusta when they're practicing in the months leading up to it. Is that something you're doing on the range where you're thinking about specific holes and specific shots or is it something you wait until like now to start doing? I think we have enough, this is every course, I think we have enough time to practice on the Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday to hit the shots but yes usually we have like stats guys and guys that tell us hey the course suits this so you know a lot of the a lot of people you know

kind of hurt their career because Augusta is a real like kind of a draw course I mean yes you can hit phase as fade winners but you know people that hit fades no matter what you know they change their swing a little bit to hit draws so there's been a lot of stories about you know them trying to fit their swings to go to Augusta, but Yeah, you do a little bit you do a little bit. I think last week was a pretty good Like warm-up. I think Rory and a lot of other people say that you know it's a good good warm-up for it, and I Wasn't really you know I just wanted to fit it in the schedule because I would have taken

too much time off. So it was a last minute thing really last week and it was a very good decision. So a bit of both. I think you have enough time. I'll go to Asagasta on maybe Sunday and go out there and hit some shots. But we know, I mean mean you've watched enough you watch enough videos on YouTube and you know coverage to know what you have to do on the first second third so yes.

Yeah do you do you still get nervous like at Augusta when they announce your name on the first tee box do you get nervous? Yeah of course yeah of course I mean maybe not maybe not like when you first get nervous like out there, you're like, shit, where is this ball going to go? But now it's probably like more of excitement nervous because you know you've done it now and then and you've done it a lot now in front of a big crowd so you kind of know to go back to things, go back to swing thoughts and stuff like that. So yeah, you do get nervous. Yeah. Augusta for me is kind of, you know, the first hole is a bit awkward. Like if you, three wood might not get far

enough but drivers too far. So like it's kind of an in between, in between thing and you, you got to stripe it or else you might be in trouble. Yeah, yeah. Hank's got another question. I have a dumb question. Yeah. Yep. Do you ever like hit up the Pro Shop?

Like do you buy stuff from the Pro Shop? Oh man. Like any, but even Masters obviously, but any other Pro Shop? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. So not many people probably know this. So I mean, if you know, you know,

but Augusta National, if you go there like weeks before Masters or months before the Pro Shop is filled with Augusta National Golf Club stuff instead of Masters stuff so Masters week it's only Masters so it's cool to have some hats and shirts and stuff that have just Augusta National Golf Club because if you know you know yeah that's what that you go there prior to the Masters. You can't get that during Masters week. So yes, heck yes. If you look at my house, there's a lot of Masters stuff. There's cups. The first couple of years I didn't have

a house so I couldn't get all the cool stuff. But now that I have a house, I just bought a couple thousand dollars worth of stuff to put in the house, which is cool, which is what you want. Yeah. Do you download the master's app? Yeah. I mean, yeah. Most of the time I watch every shot. Yeah. Yeah. It's the best app in the world, isn't it? It's the greatest app. Yeah. I mean, every app, every golf app should be like that. But yeah, It's the greatest app. Yeah, I mean, every app, every golf app should be like that. But yeah, that's another thing for us, like athletes, golfers, that we want to see how

we swing the golf club. Like we don't know, you know, like my swing on 16 at last week, it wasn't really anything like the other ones. What do you do different? You know, so I obviously swung up a little bit too hard, way too hard, and that's something that we want feedback from. So every shot that we can see, which is, you know, which is awesome at the Masters, you get to kind of either get good feedback or bad feedback. So it's a great app. So let's just say that you had

not listened to your caddy on the eighth hole last week You would hit that shot, right? You would hit that so far On what the one on my knees? Yeah, the one on your knees when you're trying to you were taking out different clubs seeing which one Yeah, I think you know if you're playing with your buddies and like you're playing match players something. Yeah, you're gonna you're gonna hit it You're not gonna take a drop but in this situation it it's a big deal You know like if I miss hit it or I hit it back in, if I hit it right into the trees and shank it, like you're making double or triple and that's what you don't need. And to make it even to make a bogey there on such an easy hole, like that's, that could have been the tournament right there.

There was a lot of times when I was out there, I'm like, this swing is for the tournament. So don't F it up. You know? Yeah. I mean, the scariest part, when I was watching you set up for that shot and I was out there, I'm like, this swing is for the tournament. So don't F it up. You know? Yeah. Yeah. I mean the scariest part when I was watching you set up for that shot and I was like, is he going to hit this off his knees? The gallery that they had was in like a 10 yard alley for you. It's like this shot, if, if like a regular, you know, weekend golfers out there hitting that they would probably kill somebody.

But I think that even at like your stage, sometimes they cut it a little close with the gallery yeah for sure I mean yes I probably would have told them to move if I yeah end up hitting that shot but yeah you know the crowds keen and they want to they want to look at now they want to be as close as possible and be have a front-row seat so yeah I mean they probably they probably don't expect it, but I mean, yeah, it could have happened. Something bad could have happened. Yeah. All right. I have one last question. I think everyone else, Hank and PFT might

have a last question as well. My last question, rowback question, rhoback.com, promo code take 20% off your first purchase, Q-zips, polos, hoodies, joggers, shorts, roback.com promo code take. Speaking of Augusta, what's your favorite hole? My favorite hole? I mean, 16 is very special. 16 is cool. Man, every hole is sick every hole is I think nine is underrated because the green 11 it's tough 11 is one of the toughest holes ever for anyone yeah I think I'll say that 16 is 16 is special yeah it's a great the right answer is the next one the one answer is the next one. The what? The next one. The next hole.

Just next hole mentality. Yeah. But 16 holes. Every hole is important. Every hole is important. Yeah. Every hole, every hole is important. All holes matter. Exactly. Eventually you got to put it into every hole. Mm hmm. Exactly.

I'm here. My last question isn't as much a question as it just me saying, I think I'm going to bet on you at the Masters. I think I'm now in the Wu Tang Clan. I feel like I got to back you because you hit the ball a mile, which I love. You got the mullet, you got the mustache, you're Australian, you're checking a lot of boxes. So just know that no additional pressure, but I think I'm gonna sprinkle some money on the ad on Augusta All right. Well, um, I think I can't speak about that. But yeah, I mean Let's uh, let's do it. Yeah, let's go. Do you have a last question Hank?

When you're changing something with your with your swing or your game how much how much is data? How much is feel? a Lot of both I think it's gonna look somewhat where you want it so that's the feel part you obviously got to exaggerate it you know if you're hitting a draw and you want to hit a cut like you got to really slice slice it to all let's do the opposite way if you want to draw it and you're a slicer you you've got to really drop it inside and draw it. You've got to record your swing. You've got to record it, see?

And your swing might not be there, so you've got to really, really feel it. And then, yes, there's data. There's going to be times where if you have a track man behind you and you're trying to hit that shot and you're still over the top and hitting a minus, you know, club path, which means a cut like that's yeah, there's a big, there's a big feel and uh, data. Yeah. There's, I mean they both kind of go together. Yeah. Okay. Well, men will thank you so much. We appreciate it. Uh, it was great having you on and best of luckness in March is good. Madness in March

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in IMAX and theaters everywhere, April 11th. Get tickets now. Okay, let's wrap up the show, Hank, you got some FAQs? What prop slash item shown behind big cat and PFT or any item in the studio has the most lore or backstory associated with it? I told everyone about the damn Reno show the the octopus. Yeah, damn. Reno's wedding photo. I've got a lighthouse here. That's The octopus was sent to us for the bvt first episode only episode It is a octopus in formaldehyde that someone sent us and we opened it up in a box on the first episode

That part of my take is license plate Was sent when we first moved to New York from a kid from Situate. Shout out to Andrew. But that has somehow survived the long haul. I like this picture from Tiger King is a very moment in time. Chillin' with Chels. Our good friend painted this for us.

It's the dude on the jet ski. Doesn't really have any meaning. It's more like, oh, member COVID. Yeah. We got wing nut sauce back here. Wing nut sauce. Wing nut's a big part of my take, lower. Jeff Fisher, a caricature of Jeff Fisher. Jeff. Jeff. One of the OGs, a part of my take. Jeff. My DC Defenders jersey. We could clean this place place up a little I kind of like it. Yeah, I wish we had better We need this needs to be fixed every time we hit it. I feel like they're not fastened correctly Can we do that?

Yeah, Hank. I'm trying to remember why I bought you that $500 cowhead. I want to bet you know what Arizona It was Arizona. Something to do with the South Super Bowl. Yeah. Something to do with that. It was Yeah, you had to buy me $250 worth of Arizona. Yeah, Southwestern Laura. Yeah. Okay. I wanted to I mean, really that in my house and it got broken. The Blake Bortles jersey. Yeah, Blake. Oh, game ball Jersey yeah bleep oh Game ball from big Dom big Dom big part of the show big part of the show big Dom And that's a real game ball not from Jerry O'Connell. No, that's real. That's from big Dom Really big Joe. Yeah, is there one result of a game you wish you could change for show purposes only See if you guys did this guy gave an example

Curious if you guys would think of it. I You know what I I wish big cat could have won the Hail Mary game. Oh, I really wish that would Just or if it was just a single doing No, I okay. I wish it was a triple doing. Yeah, I guess that would be the one You know, I wish it was worse. I think the Bears could have won the Super Bowl that year honestly, I wish it was worse. I think the Bears could have won the Super Bowl that year honestly, I Do this guy said UCF over Zion's Duke I would have a fire Right a five-year-old right now named LeBron Lockwood. That's 100% right

I also I'll say this I wish that uh, did you guys ever get to a game seven against the Sixers? Yeah, I would have liked for the Sixers to to beat the Celtics just to max have one on that. Mm hmm. That would be nice. Also, the what was it two years ago? Was it the was the overalls? That was the NLCS.

I wanted Max in the World Series. Then to remember they were up as a Diamondbacks. Yeah, pretty much anything Max. I want I want him to win. We just won. It's true. Yeah, he did. But I, you're going to the white house. I've root for my guy, Max. Yeah. I would have liked the jets to win one more game in that stretch this year to have memes just strung along a little bit more bills. Bill's winning that the 11 second overtime. Oh yeah. That's a good one. It would have been great. Yeah. have been great yeah if the Jaguars had beaten the Patriots in the AFC championship game Blake Bortles goes to the Super Bowl

Blake Bortles and Super Bowl would have been scenes the cat 1-0 is the winner that's absolutely the winner good call what's up big cat petite PFT horny Hank and mad max are there any non-athlete guests that you all have been wanting to interview but haven't been able to Any of the guys from blink 182? Hmm. What's the guy? in white lotus Yeah, awesome Oh shallow maze a great call mash all in a way to opt back in Goggins Danny McBride

Danny McBride great call because that's you get Goggins in he's in that show too. Yeah. Yeah, Danny McBride great call Miley Well, Farrell would be fun. Well, Farrell would be fun Vince Vaughn would be fun in person Owen Wilson Ben Stiller Ben Ben Stiller. Yeah, what a you, let's get them on. Yeah. Severance. Um, all right. Last one. Okay. Which PMT guest? Oh, I know the answer to this. I think which PMT guests had the best career after being on PMT. Oh, actually no. Nevermind. I take mine back mentally. I mean, Josh Allen has to be up at the top because he came on PMT before he even got

drafted. Yep. Yellich. Yellich was already pretty big though. But he I mean, he blossomed. Brooks won a couple majors after he had won one. He had won one. He won four more. Yeah, four more is pretty high. Yeah, that's pretty damn good Jimmy Tatro, we remind him. I mean Jimmy Tatro literally like we made his career. Yeah his entire career He didn't it wasn't when he was on But I always laugh at the the 49ers Hotel. Oh, yeah, George Kittle. Yeah Yeah, when when when McGlinchey and and Joe Staley were like, hey, we got this rookie who loves you guys and listens to every episode. Can you take a picture with him? We're like, yeah, Kittle

fucking best tight end and the man. I mean, the answer might be, well, I guess he's not a guest, but Charlie Woods, Charlie Woods, future guest. That's a good question though. Yeah, I mean, I think, I think it's Josh Allen, Brooks, kettle and kettle. I think those are, those are the top of the line because those were, those all were very early that we had them on and they've had very good careers. Ryan Whitney, Ryan Whitney was a nobody and then he came to our martake and now he's got a world-class podcast podcast and and a line of liquor. Now that I'm obsessed with golf, it's all I think about it.

All I watch. It's all I consume. So basically my entire life. I laugh thinking about those Brooks interviews. Yeah, how little I like I didn't like we were just like, Yeah, we got Brooks Capua. I was like, who? Yeah. And then you know, at that time, I was just setting up and recording interviews I was just like yep another interview cool Pretty good, and now I like go back and watch Like I've watched you know 2018 Brooks final round chinacock like 2018 like you're one of those sickos that watches two hours Yeah

How's it go sleep? Yeah? Jack go key yeah, he's in the g-league. What's he doing? I think he's on Detroit G League Caruso Caruso great guy, but he's always been good at basketball. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, okay That's a good question though max. You have any think more about it Any guys you got anyone? anyone max No one max Schwabber?

Yeah, Schwabber. Schwabber? We had Schwabber on before the Cubs World Series. That was 2016. No. Oh, it was after. It was after. It was after. It was after. It was after.

It was after. It was after. It was after. It was after. It was after. It was after. It was after. It was after. It was after. It was after. It was after. It was after. We'll have to think I'll have to think about that. That is one of those questions that I'll think about like it like

Midnight tonight back. Oh shit. We missed an obvious one So when we had on when they were super early on and then went on to do great things Jaden we had him on before he won the Heisman. That's true. That is true Jaden is although no, he won the Heisman. I think he did it with the Heisman. Oh, he did? Yeah. Okay, so right after Yeah, yeah, cuz I was thinking Joe burrow was like he literally won a Heisman in a national championship So it's kind of are you doing? Ah pug You might have to you might have to edit a little tonight no Yeah, I was listening in I couldn't tell yeah. Well, no, you don't have to edit you just have to Put it like there's no edits needed. It's just you're gonna have to put it out You're gonna have to make sure that nobody else sneaks in and edits

That's fine. I'll do my best. Okay, I had the real answer that question because might be Hank Oh, it was on episode one part of my take half asleep. Now. He's about to date Sidney Sweeney. That's true. Retire at 40 He's basically the next impractical Joker with what he did to max today. Yeah, I didn't do anything I was rooting for max the next I was bewildered stunned I Was like there's no way this is happening right like I thought max was in on it All right numbers Three 61 one keep getting me fixing the camera I'll do 15 15

also Patrick Holmes you guys interviewed him for he oh yeah before we won a Super Bowl good call you got him on the loss yeah that's true max number you can't come on dude when his first No, I lost a break yeah, max you got to do a number come on We all love you me What number yeah what number Max max has been lowering his headphones so he can hear okay. I didn't have headphones on what number max Can hear okay? I didn't have headphones on what number max? Memes can have my number today. It's gonna know that's not that's not that's not official He's gets my numbers memes was in on it memes heard no O'Connell he heard the call no memes

I don't talk I don't but memes is being nice And he was saying that April Fool's jokes are lame all day, and he agrees still agrees that this is wait You still think it's lame. Yeah, that was that was a good one. Yeah 99 I was just I was just giving you my number. All right max guess your own number 78 78 I took 70 good. I hope you take it. I don't I don't want a number. Did you actually have 70? 99 book Shane Jack 44

21 All right memes you had 15 right? Yeah, would you have 15 61 of three? Hank one Access 78 memes has. Max has 78. Memes has 78. Max has 78. You have two numbers. 97! 97. You wanna do one more? Yeah, I'll do one more. Let's do one more. Everyone say your numbers. Memes, you want it? Two. Three. What? Memes, what? I'll take 15. Memes, what's the second number you want? 44 44 that's not memes his number. That's your number max

Max I'll make a deal with you if you get the number right now. You can edit the podcast however you want I don't even want that. I don't want the deal. I don't want you to have the satisfaction of the deal He's smart. He's learning He's learning 99 put 28 all right I have 15 means has 61 what do you have Hank? 2. 92 love you guys. I'm So I'm gonna be a star, I'm gonna be a star I'm gonna be a star, I'm gonna be a star I'm gonna be a star, I'm gonna be a star I'm gonna be a star, I'm gonna be a star I'm gonna be a star, I'm gonna be a star

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