Pardon My Take - Booger McFarland, CFB, Gruden Resigns and Fan Fight For The Ages In KC

Episode Date: October 13, 2021

We start the show recapping MNF and Jon Gruden’s resignation as Raiders Head Coach (02:39 - 17:35). Talking CFB and NFL power rankings (17:35 - 36:11). Hot Seat/Cool Throne including WSD vs Cusack a...nd Dog the Bounty Hunter injured (36:11 - 57:37). Booger McFarland joins the show to talk CFB and NFL as well as the new interim HC for the Raiders (57:37 - 102:42). We finish the show with a Monday reading on a Wednesday as there was an all time fan fight in Kansas City Sunday nightYou can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/PardonMyTake

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Hey, pardon my take listeners. You can find every episode on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or YouTube. Prime members can listen, add free on Amazon Music. On today's part of my take, we have Booger McFarland, great friend of the program, talking college football, talking NFL, we're gonna recap Monday night football. John Gruden has resigned, we talk our college football,
Starting point is 00:00:25 recap of what it was a crazy weekend in college football. We also have a Monday reading on a Wednesday, the big fight of the Superfans in Kansas City, and Hot Seat Cool Throw, an awesome show for you. And we're brought to you by our friends at Chevy, the strongest, most advanced Silverado ever is here. If you're an AWL, you know that Chevy Silverado is the strongest, most advanced Silverado ever.
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Starting point is 00:02:20 and then we'll take it higher. It's Pardon My Take, presented by Bristol Sports. Welcome to Pardon My Take, presented by Chevy Silverado, the strongest, most advanced Silverado ever. Today is Wednesday, October 13th. Did anything happen during Monday Night Football? It actually overshadowed the game for the first part. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:02:40 And of course we're talking about Major League Baseball Playoffs. Red Sox Team of Destiny, I think. I think they're going deep in Soctober. They're going to the World Series. They have something about them that is going to, I don't know what it is, but Hank is actually, right before we started taping.
Starting point is 00:02:54 No. Oh, I forgot, I'm not allowed to talk about private, he was looking at the schedule, and being like, yeah, and being like, when can I go to a World Series game? Hank, you should do it, you should. Well, I was just trying to figure out, I was trying to figure out who got home field advantage,
Starting point is 00:03:09 who won the All-Star game this year, and figure out whether or not the Red Sox would be playing. But yeah, the big story, it was basically, it was our John Lennon-Howard Cosell moment, where John Lennon gets killed, and Howard Cosell announces it over Monday Night Football. This generation has John Gruden resigning
Starting point is 00:03:26 over Monday Night Football, because of some emails that, the phrasing that ESPN used was, I had to chuckle a little, because they said John Gruden wrote emails that were homophobic, misogynistic, and racist, and also against Roger Goodell. The four most persecuted classes in the world,
Starting point is 00:03:48 women, minorities, gay people, and the failed son of a senator that gets paid $40 million a year. NFL commissioners, it's a protected class. Look at that big cat. Roger Goodell, when he saw, okay, the first email got leaked on Friday, and it was like, wait, we just found out that
Starting point is 00:04:06 John Gruden sent racist emails, and Goodell's response was like, we will conduct a thorough investigation. He also insulted Roger Goodell and called him gay. Fire that motherfucker right now. Well, no, so the craziest thing with the timeline of this is the Raiders had all the emails on Friday. It was very clear that the NFL was basically saying to the,
Starting point is 00:04:27 I almost said Oakland Raiders, the Las Vegas Raiders, here is what John Gruden has in his emails. You should fire him right now, and if you don't, we'll just release more emails on Monday. They didn't fire him, and then more emails came out on Monday. Yeah, it was gonna be waterboarding by bigotry. Yes.
Starting point is 00:04:45 The rate that they were gonna leak them out. And you do have to wonder who leaked the emails. It's either Roger Goodell or it's somebody in the Washington football team front office, maybe some bad blood with the whole J Gruden, Dan Snyder, Bruce Allen thing, the way that ended. It's like a house of cards with the dumbest people involved. Oh no, it's like succession
Starting point is 00:05:01 if every character was Greg the egg. Yes. Happens in and around the Washington football team. As a fan ambassador, I can say that because it's about ourselves. You can? I'm shocked I haven't been fired from my position as fan ambassador yet.
Starting point is 00:05:14 I think you're just Milton from the office. Yeah. They haven't told me. They just don't realize that you're still a fan ambassador. I had an idea when I saw these emails come out, should we get Frank Caliendo back on the show to do a table read? He's, a lot of people were sad for Frank Caliendo,
Starting point is 00:05:29 the real tragic figure in all of this. And Nathan Peterman. Yeah, and Nathan Peterman. Come on guys, can't we forgive and forget? I mean, there's 10 years ago. Keep running around, please. Yeah, it also, I mean, it's not really shocking that John Gruden might not be like the nicest guy.
Starting point is 00:05:44 No. I wasn't like, whoa, how could this be? It makes my little woke John Gruden bit that I pulled out after the Carl Nassip thing age. Yes. Pretty poorly in reference back. Very poorly, yes. But now we have interim head coach.
Starting point is 00:05:57 I think PFT, you and I had the same exact thought, pretty much the exact same time that Mark Davis should be the coach. Give us Mark Davis as the coach of the Raiders. Yes. Why not? Al Davis did it. His dad did it.
Starting point is 00:06:09 You know the awesome. You know at the very least the thought has occurred to Mark Davis, like he's looking at a whistle. That's on his wall right now. And he's like, I got the whistle right here. I got the white jeans. I got the clipboard. I got the haircut for it.
Starting point is 00:06:20 I got the sunglasses. Please Mark, it would be very disappointing if we didn't get at least one game with him. But you know that there's definitely one resume that's being sent out there right now. Where, who? Jeff Fisher. Well, there's that.
Starting point is 00:06:34 I also don't think Dana Holgerson would turn down an opportunity to live in Las Vegas. That would be pretty far. That'd be amazing. Although Houston's rolling right now, also the big winner is Urban Meyer because people got off him for a second. Even though he did have the quote that his goal
Starting point is 00:06:47 every game is to run for 250 yards and pass for 250 yards, which- What's wrong with that? It's a great goal. It's a good goal. It's a good goal. It's having 33 times the last 52 years. The perfect ratio is actually 15-15-30.
Starting point is 00:07:02 I would think that Urban Meyer would know about that. Yes, he absolutely. Although he seems like a selfish lover, so he probably just does the third. Well, 15 grabbing ass, 15 denying that you got grabbed ass, 30 apologizing for grabbing ass. For not apologizing. Yes.
Starting point is 00:07:17 Did you guys see the watch shifter live when he said that he hid for like a clean sweep? Yeah. Did you hear this? Yeah. Well, I'll put this in. Which John Gruden had a clean sweep of offending NFL commissioner,
Starting point is 00:07:29 Roger Goodell, women, gays, minorities, all sorts of people. He called it a clean sweep. And Roger Goodell's the first name, listen. It's like, that's the best part about this. It's like, they're like, yeah, gays, minorities, Roger Goodell, this is so terrible. Yeah, commissioner lives matter.
Starting point is 00:07:47 Roger Goodell getting the first listing on that, on the clean sweep bingo card of John Gruden was, but he has been trying to get, you know, they want to be in good grace at the NFL. It has been very apparent that's what they're trying to do. You wonder how Adam Schefter gets Adam Schefter money and it's for the little details like that, making sure that he knows that he's gonna be a good boy,
Starting point is 00:08:07 letting everyone know, yeah, please, I'll do your dance for you, commissioner. Just make sure to keep feeding me my treats. Yeah, I'm surprised they didn't just put like, gays, minorities, and women in parentheses. Yeah. It was really kind of, or maybe it's a quote, you know, that would be funny if Schefter had done it as a thread.
Starting point is 00:08:23 And like, John Gruden has offended Roger Goodell, one of two, two of two, also pretty much every other person on earth. Oh, and also John Gruden in one of the emails forgot to put the accent on Kike Hernandez. Yes, yes. So big, now that story was actually kind of crazy how it worked out because that story led
Starting point is 00:08:46 the first three quarters of Monday Night Football, which was the Colts kicking the shit out of the Ravens. And then when it was like everyone had processed it, the Ravens also processed it, woke up, Lamar Jackson was absolutely incredible, and the Colts are just, you know what I actually realized last night? I think what I hate about Carson Wentz
Starting point is 00:09:07 is how he holds his elbows in the pocket. Go on. So he's like, he's very chicken boned. He's pointing. Like he's doing the chicken dance, and it bothers me to no end. I'm sure it's like fundamentally, Billy, you can speak to it,
Starting point is 00:09:22 fundamentally probably pretty good, you know, keeping the ball up, not letting it drop below your waist, but it's like this always. He's stiff. And it bothers me. For being a pretty athletic guy, he is pretty stiff in the pocket.
Starting point is 00:09:34 It bothers me a lot. Lamar Jackson, though, was unstoppable last night. Unstoppable. So here are a couple fun stats about Lamar, some of the records that he set, because he set like a million. 442 passing yards, that's a Baltimore Ravens record. They've got a long history of great quarterbacks
Starting point is 00:09:49 in Baltimore, obviously. He was the first person in history to throw for 400 yards and four touchdowns while completing 85% of his throws. He completed 86 of his throws, which is the highest all time for a player who passed for at least 400 yards. And the 86% mark was also the highest among any player
Starting point is 00:10:09 who has ever attempted at least 40 passes in a game. Damn. Pretty fucking good game. Pretty good game. It is funny you bring up the passing of the Baltimore Ravens. It reminds me of my favorite stat ever when the Ravens won the Super Bowl
Starting point is 00:10:21 in the 2000 season. They went five consecutive games without scoring an offensive touchdown. And they went two and three in those games, which is equally as crazy. That, I mean, it's just, you can't. Defense wins championships. It's crazy.
Starting point is 00:10:36 But yes, that was an unbelievable performance by Lamar. Now, I will say, the Colts secondary was very banged up. They were kind of the walking wounded, but it doesn't really matter. They, the Ravens had that come back. Of course, we had another miss kick. They're all synced up. It was perfect that Rodrigo Blankenship just ended.
Starting point is 00:10:53 He actually, he did that on purpose for every kicker because then they brought up how many miss kicks were made. And you're like, I don't even remember half of these miss kicks. Huh, I'll just put it all on Mason Crosby. Well, and of course we only got an opportunity to see Justin Tucker kick like a 25-yard field goal. So we, he's really the one.
Starting point is 00:11:13 If he starts missing, then there's an issue. Then you have to look at either Mercury in retrograde or look at the balls. Yes. I don't know what's going on behind the scenes. I don't know how those cables are stored. I know that they're the ones that they have like their own protocol, right?
Starting point is 00:11:29 Yes. So I think they're like, yeah, they're definitely more inflated, not scuffed up. Yeah, they're not, they're shinier. Are they being kept in a different facility right now? It's a good question. It's time to take a look at the balls. It's time to look at the cables.
Starting point is 00:11:41 Other things real quick in the NFL that we... Well, I should say Marquis Hollywood Brown. Yes, he's Hollywood. He's Hollywood. He's Hollywood. His nickname is back. Until at least Friday, we might take it away for the weekend and keep him motivated.
Starting point is 00:11:54 But he's earned the right to be Hollywood this week. Yes, he is Hollywood. Mark Andrews is also Hollywood. Hollywood Andrews is what I call him. But yeah, the Ravens, that was a crazy, crazy good performance from Lamar. And the Ravens, I don't know, they're just always consistent. They're just consistently always a dangerous team.
Starting point is 00:12:14 It's a very well run franchise. I have one more question about the John Gruden thing. So do you think Deuce is gonna stay around? I know it was reported that he's sticking around. I think so. But can you really, I don't know, your dad leaves? No, I think you gotta stick around. Deuce is probably the one.
Starting point is 00:12:31 Deuce is probably the one. The guy's nutrition. You can't leave the nutrition behind. He cares too much about their bodies to leave them mid-season. Imagine the gains that get lost if Deuce leaves. Yeah, that'd be bad. He's gotta stick around.
Starting point is 00:12:43 I would definitely bet against the Raiders if Deuce left. I would also love to see Deuce in a dog shelter, like an NFL version of a dog shelter where someone comes and picks him up. Because he really is a pit bull on the sideline. Yeah, I would be terrified if I were the interim coach that Deuce would just come in and kill me at some point out of vengeance for his father.
Starting point is 00:13:03 It's like Shakespearean. And his dad, John Gruden, was probably like, Deuce, I thought I told you to destroy all those emails. And he just had Deuce smashin' computers in his room. He was deadlifting on top of him. Putting the computer underneath, lifting up thousands of pounds and dropping it on the computer.
Starting point is 00:13:17 Dropping weights. He's like, yeah, that actually doesn't do anything. Yeah. A hum. All right, so yeah, oh, the other thing I wanted to say before we get to college football, the bills, because that game was going on during the taping on Sunday night,
Starting point is 00:13:32 the bills are fucking awesome. And the chiefs might have some problems, but the bills are awesome. Patrick Mahomes, this is now, what? Oh, let's finish, let's finish. I was gonna say, Patrick Mahomes, the defense is terrible, but Patrick Mahomes has also not been incredible.
Starting point is 00:13:48 Like he's had incredible moments, but he hasn't been like lights out. Patrick Mahomes, are people starting to sour on him? I'm definitely souring on big guys. I'm not. No, no, I definitely am. A lot of people around the league, league circles are saying the story out of Kansas City
Starting point is 00:14:04 is that the chiefs should trade Patrick Mahomes. They're saying that a lot of willing partners out there, Washington football team would be one, probably. That would be interesting, but if I'm a chiefs fan, man, I'll tell you, I'd run that guy out of town on a rail. I'd say see you later, Patrick, no thank you. By the way, did you see that the bills credited
Starting point is 00:14:24 Mr. Biskie for running Patrick Mahomes offense in practices all week? His scout team Mahomes. He's better than Mahomes. Yeah, what do you say? Gave him a look. I saw a PFT had an issue with this earlier, so I wanna bring it up,
Starting point is 00:14:36 because I also was personally offended. You put out your big cats, two and three NFL power rankings. And when chiefs won in San Francisco 49ers two, Steelers three, Seahawks four, Vikings five, Eagles six, Patriots seven, football team eight, Falcons nine. Yeah, so? It's a bullshit list. We'll get your own list.
Starting point is 00:14:58 Bullshit. No, no, I'm arguing with you. Well, I'm just curious if you know what you were doing it for effect, right? Like I just come clean, we're in the trust tree. You said the, actually, I probably the only mistake was I probably should have had Washington football team above the Patriots.
Starting point is 00:15:10 You said yourself they kind of suck. They barely beat the Texans. They could be four and one right now. Okay, and they aren't. They're better than the, they would beat the Eagles, the Vikings, the Seahawks, and Steelers tomorrow and probably the 49ers. Big Cat, Gino Smith as the quarterback
Starting point is 00:15:25 for the Seattle Seahawks. Big Ben is a corpse. You guys shit on Kirk Cousins every single week. So we went from Sunday night to being like, I have to probably admit that the Patriots aren't good to now like they're the best team. I was close to possibly admitting it if they had lost, which they do not.
Starting point is 00:15:40 Got it. And? Well, good news is they can, they can always climb the list or you know what? If they lose again, they'll be two and four. They'll probably be better than some other two and four teams. All right. I just wanted to, I think that.
Starting point is 00:15:53 I saw a PFT mentioned something too. I had an internal thought. They're a couple issues with the list. Number one, I think is the Philadelphia Eagles. Yup. Being, they're way overrated on that list. And I think they're third to last. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:16:06 Fourth. Yeah, but they're ahead of my team. Which I have a problem with. And then, and then obviously the Seattle Seahawks. I think that would Gino Smith. We saw a little bit of Gino magic. I love Gino. I love Gino.
Starting point is 00:16:17 Also, I think Russell will eventually come back and I love Gino. So that's where I ranked him. All right. What are you going to do? I guess we'll see. Yeah, that's why they're playing the games. Just going to complain.
Starting point is 00:16:27 Yeah, that's like everyone else. They complain about it. They get very upset about my rankings and that's fine. Who would be? That's the whole point of it is to get conversation going. So I appreciate you bringing it up. We just having a conversation. It gets the debate raging on a Tuesday.
Starting point is 00:16:41 When I only, and for some people asking like, where does this team, the rankings are just for teams that are below 500. Maybe I'll add 500 later on in the year, but it's a shine for the teams that suck. I think that if the Giants had beaten the Washington football team, and they were two and three on the year,
Starting point is 00:16:58 you would have the Giants way higher. You love the Giants. Well. That's my argument is I'm making up. Yeah, you hate the Giants. No, I don't hate them. I'm making up a hypothetical scenario. Yeah, I have said that I have a problem
Starting point is 00:17:11 with Daniel Jones that I keep buying in. Yeah. You hate the Giants and won't admit that you hate the Giants. No, I love the Giants. Exactly. That's a false. That's false.
Starting point is 00:17:19 I love the Giants. That is very false. I'm honest about my bias. I bet on the Giants. I'm honest about my bias that Daniel Jones fucks me up. And I think that like he could actually be good, even though he's probably not. You should be biased about the fact
Starting point is 00:17:32 that you don't like the Giants. I love the Giants. That makes no sense. Why? You don't. I love the Giants. Okay. I absolutely do.
Starting point is 00:17:39 I think the Giants are a perfectly fine football team. If the Giants have beat the Washington football team, yeah, they probably, well, I mean, we can't play ifs. I mean, we gotta play the schedule. You're almost admitted it. It's the two and three schedules. It's two and three rankings. Very biased.
Starting point is 00:17:53 It's sad. Those are actually completely unbiased. It's a computer ranking and there's nothing you can do about it. You can make your own, but you can't argue with it. It's gonna have to get above 500. I love that it made both of you mad because that's the point of the...
Starting point is 00:18:07 Oh, I know. Yeah, exactly. I know. It's crazy. You just think, who can I get fired at? I wish you would know. He did it really well too because he knew that he couldn't put our two teams very last.
Starting point is 00:18:17 He knew that he had to throw us a bone and put the Falcons. But Big Cat absolutely knew what he was doing. He was like, I'm putting the Patriots in the football team. Hey, at above 500 over here, what do you want me to do? Except we gotta play the Packers, whatever. All right, let's talk some college football. All right, so chaos on Saturday. That Texas Oklahoma game,
Starting point is 00:18:39 I still don't really understand how Oklahoma covered that spread. And Caleb Williams is like, Oklahoma is so unfair that they have a backup who is better than their starter, who's now gonna be like the best quarterback in all of college football. And they're like, oh yeah, let's just put this guy in.
Starting point is 00:18:56 Now we're in rumor swirling central though, because you can tell that things are starting to get, they're starting to bubble a little bit under the scenes when the DMs start to fill up with obviously fake scoops from people who are on campus in Oklahoma, being like Spencer Rattler just quit. Spencer Rattler just threw a water cooler against the wall.
Starting point is 00:19:11 Spencer Rattler just drove away a hundred miles an hour in his Corvette from practice, and then the- His NIL deal. The team has been informed that he is banned from the facility. Like all these fake rumors, yeah, they're not true, any of them, but there's smoke.
Starting point is 00:19:24 I count that as smoke. No, there's definitely smoke. I mean, we talk about it with Booger in a second, but it is very hard now for a program to keep two good quarterbacks on the roster for a long, like for a period of time, because you can transfer right away, and guys wanna play,
Starting point is 00:19:40 and you see it all across college football. Did you guys see the Texas I bullied them into tweeting? That was incredible that they, so Texas tweeted when it was a tie game 48-48, Texas football did. They did not tweet a single thing for two straight days. It was like the person in the account actually died, which I appreciate.
Starting point is 00:20:01 Like I want my account to be a super fan like that. I wish they had gone all the way to kick off of the next game to then just tweet, we're off and running in Austin, you know, Texas versus I think, I can't even know. Who are they playing? Iowa State maybe? But I was like, hey, Texas hasn't tweeted yet,
Starting point is 00:20:21 I'm putting on alerts. Oklahoma State. Oklahoma State, and then they tweeted right away, but I really do think an account, like instead of putting out the sad final, start just going dark, disappear. There's no rule that says that you have to tweet out, hey, we just lost, it's not in there.
Starting point is 00:20:34 I do wish that Apple would make an emoji for horns down. I feel like we're, although that, you know what, that would be like warning this conversation can get intense once anybody tweets that out. So I would like to see that make its way into the ranks of the emojis. As far as Texas goes, I feel like this was a statement lost for them though.
Starting point is 00:20:55 Texas should have won this game. Well, they were the first three quarters of the game were like, I know we joke, but that was Texas being back. Like Sark is incredible. They were running all over the place. That was Texas back. Yeah, Texas was back. And then they took Spencer Rattler out.
Starting point is 00:21:12 Who by the way, if Spencer Rattler does transfer somewhere, he can't transfer to Washington, Oregon. He can't transfer to Michigan. He can't transfer to any school like that. You have to use the name that you have. You have to stay hopefully in the big 12 somewhere. Yes, yes. Maybe Texas Tech.
Starting point is 00:21:29 Yeah, Texas Tech would be perfect for Spencer Rattler. Yeah, it would be awesome. Arizona would be good. Arizona State, that would work. Go somewhere cool, use the name. Yes, I agree with that. So that game was chaos. And then obviously you had Iowa Penn State,
Starting point is 00:21:43 which Iowa football is so glorious in like who they are. And I mean, Iowa and Wisconsin kind of, not this year obviously, but a very mirror image of who they are and they know what they do and they know what they do well. Iowa, I don't think I've ever seen this before. Iowa wins that game. They kneeled the ball and weren't able to run out the clock.
Starting point is 00:22:09 They kneeled the ball just so they could punt one more time. I've never seen that. They didn't try to get a first down. They kneeled, they went victory formation for a one final punt. Their punter is incredible. They run the ball, they play defense, they punt. That's what they do.
Starting point is 00:22:23 And they're the number two team in the country. And guess what? If that makes you sick, that Iowa is the number two team in the country, they're gonna probably be the number two team in the country for the next month and a half until they get to Indianapolis against Ohio State or Michigan or Michigan State or Penn State.
Starting point is 00:22:36 Look, I threw them all in there. Do something about it if you like it. So Iowa is the first football team that I've ever watched where I can't take my eyes off the center. Yeah, no, he's incredible. Their center kicks so much. He's gonna be a first round Tyler Linderbaum. I'm giving you that name right now.
Starting point is 00:22:50 And if you've watched any college football, you've probably known about him for a long time. Stanford Steve has a borderline, like I'm gonna call the cops relationship with this guy. Like he's so obsessed with him. Cole Kubelik too. He's got like videos playing above his fireplace of this guy all the time.
Starting point is 00:23:06 Also, Tyler Linderbaum. Shout out to Stanford Steve real quick. If you're looking for a PS5, hit up his Instagram. Oh, he let me know that he's got some sneakers. He's got shoes that he can send me. Do you get hacked? He got hacked. Oh, you did?
Starting point is 00:23:19 You did, okay. Sorry, but if you need a PS5, he's been posting nonstop about how he's got PS5s for 450. He DMed me on Sunday from his account. Let me do a dramatic reading. My peoples wanted to ask, would you be interested in being a model slash brand ambassador for blank, blank, blank in exchange for shoes?
Starting point is 00:23:39 I texted him. I was like, hey, I was like, hey, I think you got hacked. Oh, you're like, yes, free shoes. But if the shoes are real, I'll take them. Yes. That would be great if the shoes were real. Hey, peoples. Tyler Linderbaum.
Starting point is 00:23:51 This dude, he's gonna be first round pick. I would take him as high as it gets. I'm in love with watching it. I've never seen a center play where you can't take your eyes off him for the duration of the game. And it helps that Iowa runs Iowa's offense. So he's in the mix a lot, you know?
Starting point is 00:24:06 But this dude just murders people. He destroys people. He's like, he just smashes everyone. And then their fullback is also, he's also a bomb. He's a pot of bomb. So they've got pot of bomb and Linder bomb. And those two guys just go out there and they destroy people.
Starting point is 00:24:21 It's great. I mean, Iowa football is what it is. And this is like, this is the apex of Iowa football. It's similar to 2015 when they went undefeated and lost to Michigan State in the Big Ten Championship game. But yeah, I was a really, really good team. People will be mad about it
Starting point is 00:24:37 because their offense is not great. Is it through comparisons like Virginia basketball, like ugly, but they get it done? Yeah, although I don't think, like speaking, maybe Iowa fans will feel differently, but like speaking as, again, like the sister school or like the, you know, the twin of Iowa football in Wisconsin, it will never win a national title.
Starting point is 00:25:00 Cause there's a level that you- Is that about Virginia? No, I think Virginia though was still like, they were number one in the country for- Yeah, they were one seed. Yeah, and they were like actually killing teams. I just don't know if that can ever translate when you play against an Alabama or Georgia.
Starting point is 00:25:16 Like if Georgia plays Iowa right now, I don't know if I, I don't- They wouldn't score. They would score because they'd probably get a pick six because they always do, but it wouldn't be more than seven to 10 points. Yeah, Iowa also, it's unfair to compare them to UVA because UVA basketball doesn't really mean
Starting point is 00:25:34 anywhere in the universe. Like when you compare UVA to Charlottesville or UVA to Virginia, compared with Iowa football to Iowa, the state of Iowa. Like that's, it's night and day. So like the tradition of football, college football in Iowa is way, way bigger than the college basketball tradition is in Virginia.
Starting point is 00:25:54 And you know what Penn State, like they, they're still a good team. That was unfortunate because I do think they win that game if they don't lose their starting quarterback, Sean Clifford, because there was, there's times when you could say, oh, we lost the starting quarterback. We would have won the game if that didn't happen.
Starting point is 00:26:09 And you can be like, now man, like Iowa is going to steamroll you anyway. Eventually like they were going to get it going. That one, you can definitely point to the quarterback considering the fact they had like miss snaps, like false starts, passes that were just to no one. So, but guess what, don't apologize Iowa. Don't apologize, do not apologize.
Starting point is 00:26:27 Cause it seems like a dream season in the making do not apologize. I also am going to try to get a bet on the Barstil Sports Book app, total punts between Iowa and Wisconsin when they play in two weeks. I love it. You know what I'll be like?
Starting point is 00:26:39 I don't know if you can set that line high enough. Can we do a bet like how they do the prop for the national anthem? How long it's going to be? How long the wave to the kids is? I love the way the kids in the children's hospital that overlooks the field in Iowa. I actually like, I'm going to admit it.
Starting point is 00:26:54 I pulled a Dan Campbell on Saturday. Yeah. I cried. I teared up. You cried? I did, it's a beautiful. You drunk? It's a beautiful thing.
Starting point is 00:27:02 I was buzzed. It's a beautiful, I mean, I just, come on. I just watched. Tony Soprano watching commercials. I had watched the Red River. I almost said the S word. Nope, can't say. The Red River rivalry.
Starting point is 00:27:13 And so yeah, I was a little bit buzzed, but a little bit buzzed off football too. It makes you feel all the emotions. Yeah. You're happy and you're sad at the same time, but then you're happy again. It's just a nice thing. I like Iowa football a lot, especially this year.
Starting point is 00:27:26 I hope that, I hope Iowa gets into the playoff picture. Well, they're in the playoff picture. Well, I'm saying like at the end of the sea. I hope that. Yeah. Well, they have a one game that they got to win. The rest of their schedule, they are favored in the rest of their schedule.
Starting point is 00:27:38 I do think at Wisconsin will be like, they can't have a bad game. And at Nebraska, they can't have a bad game. Those are the two teams where they're better than the opponent. But if they have a bad day, like I could see Wisconsin winning if they have a bad day in Nebraska.
Starting point is 00:27:53 Have we got an update on the quarterback for Penn State? I do not know. I do not know. It was one of those weird injuries where you couldn't really tell exactly what part of his body was broken afterwards. And Penn State still has everything in front of them. Penn State's still really good.
Starting point is 00:28:06 And the best part about the big 10 this year is there's a five week stretch where all those teams from the East play each other. So it starts with Penn State plays at Ohio State the same weekend Michigan plays Michigan State. Then they rotate and it ends with Penn State at Michigan State and Ohio State at Michigan. So it will all get figured out.
Starting point is 00:28:26 We also had Alabama obviously lose the biggest story of the day. That was so 80 straight wins as double digit favorites under Saban. Obviously everyone saw the stat 24 and 0 against former assistants. And the other crazy stat was Alabama had won 100 straight games against unranked opponents
Starting point is 00:28:47 dating all the way back to Nick Saban's first year when they lost the University of Louisiana Monroe. And one of his former disciples finally beat him. Yeah, 24 and 0. 24 and 0. So it was 24 and 0 and now it's 24 and 0. 24 and 1. Jimbo fish was the one.
Starting point is 00:28:59 And then he said before the season that he predicted it. Although how many times has a coach predicted like this is the year that I'm gonna beat Nick Saban and then it doesn't happen. It's perfect because this is just enough for Jimbo to get the LSU job. Or an extension again. Yeah, one or the other.
Starting point is 00:29:13 Get another extension. We'll use one for the other or you know what I mean? Yeah. One will, he'll either flirt with LSU and get that extension or he'll flirt with the extension to get the LSU job. I think we all learned a very valuable lesson this week. And that's just don't talk about how weird a place
Starting point is 00:29:29 Texas A&M is because then they swarm like hornets. We all know that Texas A&M is a very unusual place. It's like a cult in the middle of nowhere. It's very strange. Very scary. And that viral video of the Yellow Leaders went around and so everybody was roasting Texas A&M going into this game. They circled the wagons on us big time.
Starting point is 00:29:50 So let's all just agree to not talk about how weird of a place Texas A&M is. I'd agree. I'd agree. Was a crazy, crazy night. Zac Calzada, the Cuban Missile, which I love that nickname. The video of the kicker's family reacting was great.
Starting point is 00:30:05 Awesome. That was great. And then Michigan obviously beat Nebraska, which was a big win because it felt like Jim Harbaugh needed one of those big road night, big 10 games. Michigan might be real. Houston's starting to roll. Actually, that'll be my last point.
Starting point is 00:30:20 So Houston, if you're Cincinnati in our Kirk Herb Street bet, which is a reminder, I actually still like our side. Ah, I don't know. I started to get a little bit nervous for the first time. But remember what the details are. What are the details?
Starting point is 00:30:35 It has to be Cincinnati will get into the college football playoff over a one loss power five team. So one loss. It can't be two losses. Two losses, it's void. Okay, so let's say just Bama, Ohio State or Penn State at this point. Or, well no, or if Georgia was just one.
Starting point is 00:30:54 Yeah, right now, right now. If Bama beats Georgia in the SEC championship game, guess what? They're both going in. And if Georgia beats Bama, they're probably both still going in. What about Michigan? Oklahoma, Oregon.
Starting point is 00:31:08 Hey, this is how it works though. It's all rigged for the power fives. If Georgia beats Alabama in a SEC championship game that goes down to the wire and Georgia's undefeated and Alabama has two losses, I would feel a lot more confident on my side than Cincinnati's. What about, okay, let's fast forward a couple weeks here.
Starting point is 00:31:34 Cincinnati, if they stay undefeated at this point. Their biggest tests are SMU and at Navy. Okay, so. And then Houston in the AAC championship game if Houston keeps winning. Okay, so they're gonna stay undefeated. I actually think that Oklahoma, I think that they're frauds,
Starting point is 00:31:50 but in maybe, they might be the best frauds of all time. They might just continue to win these games that they should lose. Well, they're frauds, but Cale Williams might fix it all. They do have a tough road because they have to go to at Baylor and at Oklahoma State. Bedlam is gonna be sick this year. Actually gonna suck, but yes.
Starting point is 00:32:08 Why? Oklahoma State is all defense now. They don't have any offense. Bedlam, weird shit happens. Yeah, but it's not a traditional Oklahoma State team. Weird shit happens. Their defense is actually very good. Weird shit happens and still water at night.
Starting point is 00:32:20 Yeah, but it's not gonna be like a back and forth points everywhere. I would still rather have our side in this bet, but I'm starting to get a little bit nervous. And I'm, don't confuse it. I think it's bullshit. I think Cincinnati, if they go undefeated, should be in. That's not the bet.
Starting point is 00:32:36 The bet, I'm not saying that Cincinnati isn't deserving. They're absolutely deserving. I just know how the college football playoff works and the bias that happens. Billy. Who can Georgia lose to, you think? Well, they play Kentucky this weekend.
Starting point is 00:32:50 If Kentucky beats them, then they're out. If Kentucky beats them, Kentucky will go to the SEC Championship game. And then if Kentucky beats Alabama in the SEC Championship, then Alabama and Kentucky are getting. Yes, Florida, two weeks against in Jacksonville, but it's Georgia is the one sure thing right now. And of course that means it probably won't happen,
Starting point is 00:33:12 but they are the one sure thing if you're looking across the whole landscape. All right, should we do some hot sea cool throne? You got something else, Billy? You got someone else? I'm just trying to think of any situation where coastal gets involved. No, no, no, no.
Starting point is 00:33:25 I just realized Georgia's only given up 33 points. Giving up one, one touchdown, one offensive touchdown against a first team offense. They gave up a touchdown in South Carolina in, in, in garbage time. This never happens. 33 points. Again, I think that they, I want to see them play against an explosive offense,
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Starting point is 00:34:45 I would say that that doesn't even begin to describe what's going on with Ben Simmons. He tried to hold out. He tried to force his way out of Philadelphia. Said he's not coming back. You know, got Rich Paul on the on the case. Got Rich Paul is just such a cool name for an agent. Didn't do anything.
Starting point is 00:35:02 They said they were in negotiations yada, yada, yada. And then yesterday, Wode's reported that Sixers has arrived. Sixers all star Ben Simmons has arrived in Philadelphia, took a COVID-19 test as required by NBA protocol, source tell you it's been meeting. He's ready to come back, start playing preseason games and stuff.
Starting point is 00:35:19 Awkward. Later on, Wode's reported again that the Sixers were unaware Simmons was flying into Philly today. The organization was in constant contact with Rich Paul, but Simmons simply showed up at the arena to take his COVID test prior to the Sixers net's tip. And that's when team officials knew he was intact.
Starting point is 00:35:35 So he went rogue, even though his agent, he was also talking to his agent, decided it was time to come back. Turns out the strategy of being like a team's least valuable player and also its most high paid player and threatening to withhold your services isn't exactly the leverage that he thought it would be. It's incredible.
Starting point is 00:35:52 It just, I mean, it doesn't, someone should just sit Ben Simmons down and be like, dude, when everyone else holds out or demands a trade, that's because they're really, really good and everyone's really, really bad around them. This is the opposite. Yeah, you're the bad one. I think his strategy was just that he's seen
Starting point is 00:36:09 other players hold out before and he was like, I want to do that, either that or maybe it was just, this strategy is so dumb and unusual and totally backwards that maybe it'll confuse them too. Someone will just be like, okay, fine. It's the duck season, rabbit season. You have Daffy Duck and Bugs Bunny. Yes.
Starting point is 00:36:26 That's what he was trying to pull backfired on him big time. Big time. I love going to a good Boo Fest, like when the Patriots went to Super Bowl and Kadele comes to give the trophies. Well. Going to the Sixers first game, like I might have to figure out,
Starting point is 00:36:38 talk to Tic-Pic and get out there. But Philly fans won't boo him. They'll be booing Hank. It's gonna be amazing. It's Philly. It's like, if this had happened in Miami, no offense, Jake, or I don't know, Phoenix, no offense, Phoenix, Sacramento,
Starting point is 00:36:56 probably would have been like, you know what? This guy's good. He's better than like what we usually have. So let's welcome him back. Philly, Philly's going to roast him. Because they had to defend him. Yes. And then once he was like, I'm out.
Starting point is 00:37:08 They're like, all right, you know what? Fuck you, Ben Simmons, fuck you. And then now it's like the classic thing where it's like your girlfriend's dating a girl for a long time, you don't like her. They break up and you're like, yeah, she was a total bitch. And then like two weeks later, he's like,
Starting point is 00:37:18 yeah, we're back together. And you have to be like, uh. I always liked her. That's great. Yeah, good for you. I'm happy for you guys. Hey, do you think that you're more popular in Philadelphia than Ben Simmons is?
Starting point is 00:37:27 Likeability rating. Yeah. Yeah, definitely. Absolutely, for sure. Yeah? Yes. Do you think he's getting bad, like are his DMs worse than your DMs from Philly people?
Starting point is 00:37:36 Yes, absolutely. Yes, absolutely, absolutely. Yeah, you should be, the right thing to do would be for you to go. I think it would show up in a Ben Simmons. Yeah, I know, yeah. That's what I'm saying. Be a human shield for him.
Starting point is 00:37:47 And your cool throne? My cool throne is these, part of my take flags. Oh, nice. Do you guys see these? Yeah, those are real nice. Hear about these? What about the hats? Are the hats out?
Starting point is 00:37:56 The hats, I don't know if they're out. These hats are one of the best hats we've made. We have a bunch of them. Big hats, one of the different ones. We have some goldfish hats. Some sick merch though. The flags are definitely gonna be on sale when you're listening to this.
Starting point is 00:38:09 We've got a bunch of different colors. So, you know, tailgate, man cave, put it on your car, hanging in your front yard. Don't put it on your windshield of your car. Don't put it on your windshield, but maybe, you know, who knows? Maybe on the back. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:38:21 You know what those flags look sick? When you put them like on a balcony, over like outside your house. Yes. Upstairs balcony, you drape the flag over, especially if you have like- Just let everyone know. If you got a cabin or a beach house.
Starting point is 00:38:34 You want, if you want to pull checks just like right above your bed. Yes. Then then you walk, girl walks in. Say less. Well, can you make- That's what she says when she walks in. Can you make a girl part of my take?
Starting point is 00:38:45 Oh, shit. Say less. Like a reflective flag, like make a mirror out of a flag. That'll be sick. Oh, saying a mirror above your bed? Yeah, yeah, with a flag. Because he's getting freaky. I'm just, well, I'm trying to get freaky.
Starting point is 00:38:58 It's kind of like Big Cat's gift shirt idea. It does the material exist to turn a flag into also a mirror. Think about it. Science, get back to me. It would be funny if they, if you like, bring a chick back in the flags there and they're like, do you think Billy's podcasting voice sucks too?
Starting point is 00:39:16 Like that's the conversation. That person really hurt Billy's feelings. He's been down and out since then. Well, actually, no, that was more the Dave and Buster's video that's coming out. That's what put him- Wait, didn't they like my voice? Oh, they did.
Starting point is 00:39:30 Did they? It was me. Oh, shit. They didn't like Hank, yeah. So you've been more down and out about the Dave and Buster's thing that's coming out. It's new games. Where Jake just beat you on everything.
Starting point is 00:39:40 Billy, before we started taping, was suggesting that maybe we have him and Jake do some more competitions. Yeah. He's already angling for rematches. I hope we never put out this video just so I can keep referencing it. It was a fun time.
Starting point is 00:39:54 I'll tell you. You almost killed yourself jumping out of a cap. Okay. Stunt. To practice it. Drop and roll. I want to be a stunt man. PFT, your hot seat cool throne?
Starting point is 00:40:05 Yeah. My hot seat is the Houston Astros. The Astros are back on the hot seat because you'll never guess this big cap that they're being accused of cheating in the playoffs. But Dusty Baker is now in charge. So Dusty Baker is not going to sit idly by and let Tony LaRusa declare him a cheater.
Starting point is 00:40:23 Correct. He said, these are heavy accusations when you make these about the Houston Astros. And if you look at the stats, he says that the White Sox have the same runs, OPS and everything as we have. Well actually, we're better on the road than we are at home.
Starting point is 00:40:38 And I think they're actually better at home than they are on the road. So Dusty pulled an old school move which is just flipping it on him and being like, you're saying we're cheating? Actually, you're cheating. You're the cheaters. You're the one who's cheating.
Starting point is 00:40:50 And before I came to the ballpark, I was listening to Eric Clapton and he had a song before you accused me to take a look at yourself. You know what I mean? That's all I got to say. I doubt that Dusty was actually listening to Eric Clapton that morning. It's more of a rhetorical device to be like,
Starting point is 00:41:04 instead of me saying it, I'll invoke the name of someone more famous who has said it. Eric Clapton. Eric Clapton in this case. And so he's pointing all the fingers back to Tony LaRusso. This is just leading us closer and closer
Starting point is 00:41:15 to hopefully an on-field incident between Dusty Baker and Tony LaRusso where they duke it out like men. Eric Clapton, John Grun's favorite guitarist. Fact. Yes. Whoa. What's that, Billy?
Starting point is 00:41:27 John Grun also likes black flags. No quarter. Did you mean to put the L in that last word? No. Okay. Oh. Oh, wow. I'm actually very confused right now.
Starting point is 00:41:40 Yeah. You watch yourself in that one. You'll listen to this back. Yeah, you're going to, right? You're going to get in a minute and it's going to suck when you figure it out. Fuck. Okay.
Starting point is 00:41:50 My cool throne is being golf tough. Being golf tough is on the cool throne. Okay. Because J.R. Smith, everyone's favorite collegiate golfer, was competing in an event today and he stepped on a beehive while he was playing. The bees attacked him. Oh, no.
Starting point is 00:42:07 The swarm, he got stung all over his legs. There were yellow jackets allegedly, but J.R. Smith is golf tough and he continued his round, had a couple, I think maybe a birdie, lot of pars, couple bogeys mixed it in, but still was able to compete and finish. Could have been a tragedy, but J.R. Smith fortunately is all around great athletes.
Starting point is 00:42:28 So golfers, congrats. You are tough. Yes. You are tough. Now that J.R. Smith is one of you. Golf hardos on the internet are probably the biggest group of hardos and there's people being like, oh, J.R. Smith sucks because he's like 18 over
Starting point is 00:42:38 and it's like he is playing D1 golf. And he's playing, yeah, for like, he's taking it serious for the first time ever. And he got stung by bees. Wait, he showed a 90? That's incredible. That's really good for like Hank and I, but like I feel like D1 golfers.
Starting point is 00:42:54 Oh, you're a golf ardo. What do you mean? Yeah, you just did that. You just did what Hank was saying. It was, I think it was like 83, 78 in like his first two rounds, but it was like 18 over the course. Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
Starting point is 00:43:06 That's incredible. It's good golf scores. I'll take a 90. Yeah, but you're saying that that's terrible for him. It wasn't a 90. It was better than a 90. It was better, yeah. Yeah, it probably is.
Starting point is 00:43:15 I think Hank just invented the 90. Cause I'm pretty sure that he got it. No, no, I said 90. Well, he said 18 over, so I said 90. 18 over the course of the tournament. Yeah, yeah, so he shot in the 70s and then he shot in the 80s. Got it.
Starting point is 00:43:25 And he got stung by bees. I mean, 90 is incredible. I can't be. I would kill for a 90. If I get stung by bees, I go home and lay down for the rest of the day. Bees are the worst. Jake, if you got stung by bees,
Starting point is 00:43:34 are you allergic, Jake? Yes. Not that I know of. You've never been stung? You're 100% allergic. I think I've gotten stung by one before. You definitely haven't gotten stung if you still think it's like got bit by a bee.
Starting point is 00:43:47 Yeah, I don't know. Does it smoke make bees docile though? I think so. Jarrah Smith. Just smoke them out. Hey bees, you want the pipe? Yep. No, I was a different pipe.
Starting point is 00:43:57 Yeah. Yeah. Not the smoking pipe. Hank, are you looking it up? Yeah, 83 and then a 78. I don't know what he shot today. But that's 12 over and seven over. Got it.
Starting point is 00:44:11 I mean, that's pretty good. I would take the 90. I would take the 90. Those are really good scores and there's golf hard ones being like, Jarrah Smith shouldn't even be out there competing. He's only competing because of his name and shit. No, I'm rooting for Jarrah Smith.
Starting point is 00:44:22 All right, my hot seat is all of us because we're living in a complete simulation. If you have missed anything, our colleague, White Sox Dave, friend of mine for a very long time, diehard White Sox fan got, he's basically owned outside of John Gruden, owned the internet the last couple of days
Starting point is 00:44:40 because he went up to John Cusack outside of the White Sox game three and accused John Cusack of rooting for both the Cubs and the White Sox, which he does, which is bullshit. White Sox Dave then got. And this was something that, so this was something that
Starting point is 00:44:54 White Sox Dave had been saying online for years. He's got a banned list. So when he saw John Cusack, he took the opportunity to go tell him what he's been saying online for a long time. And the story too is John Cusack, like he will call up and ask for the best possible tickets
Starting point is 00:45:07 whenever either team is in the playoffs. And it's like, that's, you know, you can't do that. I agree with this premise, by the way. If you are a diehard fan of one team from your hometown, you can't be a diehard fan of the equal and opposite team from that hometown. Right, you don't see Metzi Yankees fans walking around. That just doesn't exist.
Starting point is 00:45:24 What are you gonna say, Billy? You can kind of root for the giants if you're a jet fan or jets. No, you can't. No. I mean, like if it's an out of league game. No, I don't think- Like when the giants were playing the Washington football team,
Starting point is 00:45:36 I kind of be like, okay, I'll root for the giants. But even that is like- You just can't like wear the gear. That's not being a fan. Yeah, that's not being a fan. I have a game to game switch that I put on. Like if I'm watching a team on national television, even before I started gambling on football,
Starting point is 00:45:50 I'd be watching a game. I'd be like, yeah, you know what? I hope the Cardinals win this game. Right. You know, just like you develop mini crushes on teams. Right, the perfect example, Saturday night, if you're a ball, don't listen to the next thing I'm about to say.
Starting point is 00:46:03 Saturday night, ball for life because I won two national championships at Tennessee. Oh, that's awesome. Yeah, I'll be, thanks Peyton. I'll be wearing a Tennessee sweatshirt. I'm not a Tennessee fan. Like I'm not, it doesn't, you know what I mean? Like I'm not walking away from it being like,
Starting point is 00:46:18 win or lose, oh fuck this season. You want certain teams to win this game. Yeah, that game. But it doesn't affect me. Like if Wisconsin plays Tennessee, there's not a question. Yeah, if you're John Cusack and you grew up in Chicago, he grew up in Chicago, right? So he grew up like, I don't know,
Starting point is 00:46:31 like, like bleeding the Sears Tower and nutting Mustard. He's a guy that should only be able to pick one of those two teams. Correct, correct. And he picked both. And then after the interaction, so the video went viral or like viral-ish in the Barclay world, but then it actually kind of took on a life of its own.
Starting point is 00:46:48 John Cusack after the game, once the White Sox won, this was after we recorded. So I was like, I was keeping up on this, like as I was editing and John Cusack probably sent, I don't know, 40 tweets just going at White Sox Dave. 24 hours of just tweeting non-stop. Yeah, just like, just, he was heated. There was people taking his side, people against him
Starting point is 00:47:06 and he was just replying to them all, calling what, what do you call White Sox Dave? A foul little boy. Foul little boy. His insults for White Sox Dave were like, on brand and just so funny. He also used the phrase- He said he had like shitty breath.
Starting point is 00:47:16 He also used the phrase self phone, which really confused everything. Yeah, it wasn't cell phone. And it wasn't self own, it was self phone. I was going to say, me and Hank as both bad grammar guys, I couldn't read like half of his tweets. Yeah, no, he's- Like the way that he types is unbelievable.
Starting point is 00:47:34 And I love high fidelity as a movie, so I just want to say that, separate the art from the artist. Yeah, the artist fuck him, the artist, or sorry, the artist fuck him, the art, great. Another thing where it's like the people, people on the internet are just way too harsh. There's people being like, John Cusack's a nobody,
Starting point is 00:47:48 hasn't been a good actor, he's in awesome movies. Like if you fancy yourself an actor and you had his career, like you had a successful career. I'll put it this way, the man was in con air. Right, yes. Best movie ever made. Yes. So anyway, all of us, we're all in a simulation
Starting point is 00:48:02 because not only is John Cusack fighting with White Sox Dave, now Edward Snowden has chimed in, and I'm scared for all of our lives. And the whole thing is just so hilariously barstool and ridiculous, like there's people who are actually mad at White Sox Dave and saying that we're, you know, he's a mouth breather and all this shit, it's like, dude, it's a ban list.
Starting point is 00:48:24 Vanna White is on the list because they had an insult question on Wheel of Fortune. Vanna White doesn't make the questions. He put Vanna White, he has the weather on there. He banned someone both in this life and the afterlife. If you read that list and you think it's real, like you think it's actually like this guy's actually telling people they can't root for the White Sox,
Starting point is 00:48:43 you're fucking, your brain is rotted. Well, also, I guess John Cusack is in that case. Domino's Pizza. Domino's Pizza. But in the case of John Cusack, I think- So they didn't deliver a pizza to a girl that White Sox Dave like- That's what the list is set for.
Starting point is 00:48:56 In the case of John Cusack, I actually think that White Sox Dave is trying to say you're not allowed to root for both teams, which I agree with, by the way. Yes, yes. But yeah- But it's also, like John Cusack also knew who White Sox Dave was.
Starting point is 00:49:07 You could see it when he walked up and was like, you're on my ban list. He knew, he knew right away. John Cusack, I think he spends a lot of time online. A lot. I was blocked by John Cusack when I looked on Sunday night. I think that he blocked everybody that White Sox Dave follows.
Starting point is 00:49:21 Interesting. I'm still, I'm still, I still got access. Yeah. He also tagged the tag teaming, like the fact that it was him and Patricia Arquette. Oh, it was incredible. It was like his partner. It's a whole thing makes no sense
Starting point is 00:49:31 and it's absurd and it's fantastic. I tried to correct Patricia Arquette's grammar because she used the wrong your, which is a big pet peeve of mine. Right. And so I replied to her and then she wrote back, yes, thank you for pointing that out. Dyslexia is in my bio.
Starting point is 00:49:44 Oh no. Tried to dyslexia- You got ableist. She tried to dyslexia, Shami. I felt bad for a second. I clicked on her bio. She doesn't have dyslexic in her bio. She got, she, Rick rolled you.
Starting point is 00:49:56 She did. Well, you can't, I think that she's appropriating dyslexic culture by telling people she's dyslexic when the rules clearly state that you have to say that you're dyslexic in your bio. Yes. I saw a tweet big head.
Starting point is 00:50:09 Do you know if, is he really going on Rogan? Who? White Sox Dave. No. All right. That's what I, well, the, she, Carl said, I don't, listen, you're talking about how we're living in a simulation.
Starting point is 00:50:22 I didn't believe it, but also when I saw it, I had to like, you know, weigh out the options. They're talking about Edward, once Edward Snowden gets involved. That's true. Rogan becomes a lot more believable. You're right. You're right.
Starting point is 00:50:33 I'm on whatever side Edward Snowden's on. Yeah. You're actually right that that, that then does change it a little bit. But no, I, that, that would really be the end of times. White Sox Dave was kidding. The interview don't show Rogan. All right. My cool throne is Brian Laundrie for now
Starting point is 00:50:51 because dog has an injured ankle. Just one or did, or both sprained? Maybe both. Very, very severe sprain. Almost a break. What? I was going to put him on a hot seat. Oh, who?
Starting point is 00:51:03 Dog. No. No, Brian Laundrie is temporarily cool. It's all how you frame the story. Nah, dude. What do you mean? I think that was kind of chicken shit. Okay.
Starting point is 00:51:12 Really? Cut his mic. Jake, what's your hot seat cool throne? My hot seat is Chipper Jones. Yeah. He's behind the plate in the Braves Brewer's game and just dropped a foul ball. So.
Starting point is 00:51:22 Yeah. Past this prime, I guess. Yes. Yes. And then my cool throne. I like the Braves by the way. Yeah. I think I, I think I think I'm rooting.
Starting point is 00:51:30 I have a little crush on the Braves. Got it. This post season. I'm just still rooting for Chris Bryant, Kyle Schwerber and Jock Peterson's back. My cool. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:51:41 Is Zach Hamphill. Yes. You guys call him foul ball guy. But last night he is home run guy. Double. Two home runs caught in the game. He tweeted out the stat. The seventh time he snagged two or more home run balls
Starting point is 00:51:54 during one MLB game. He got three once in 2018. Fenway is the 18th different stadium in which he's gotten a home run. Also first post season ball he's ever caught. Oh, was it? Yeah. So did Zach tweet that out?
Starting point is 00:52:05 Two of them. He did. Yes. Okay. Yeah. I was about to say a lot of people would be like, Hey, Zach, that's not a real stat. You're just making this up. You could say anything.
Starting point is 00:52:12 No, no. When did Zach Hamphill and the meticulous records that he keeps of his foul balls? The real numbers. Those are the official. He's basically Elias Sports Bureau for people that have caught balls at Major League Baseball. I love how he wears the neon too.
Starting point is 00:52:24 So you know it's him. Oh, that's a coincidence. He doesn't do that for the attention. The Ray's home run was hit directly at him. He didn't have to move. Yesterday, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right to him.
Starting point is 00:52:34 It was crazy. And then the other one, the Red Sox, you just saw him moving with the neon across the screen. So good for him. Yeah, good for him. Billy, would you like to try again? You have weird allegiances.
Starting point is 00:52:45 Hahaha. You think that, what, justice? The law is a weird allegiance? Never mind. What? We won't talk about that anymore. No, what? My cool thing.
Starting point is 00:52:56 Dog, we're good. I think it's kind of chicken shit. He pulled out. He got injured. He can barely walk. He can walk? No. There's pictures of him without a baseball.
Starting point is 00:53:06 How do you know when those pictures are taken? You don't know? Look, I'm just saying, I think he just ran out of money searching. I saw a picture that looked like Saquon Barkley's ankle. Don't make me drop this bit, Billy, please. You know what I said? You know, Rosilla has been texting me.
Starting point is 00:53:20 He actually hates dog. And he was like, I think he's doing it all for clout. And I was like, no way, dude. How are people? I don't want to have to drop this, please. OK, OK. Dog's going to find him. That's what he does.
Starting point is 00:53:33 Dog hunts people? I actually think it's a possibility that dog went down to Florida, found him, and then choked him out, strangled him, put him in the swamp. No, that garden. He's a swamp. No, no, no, swamp. No, listen.
Starting point is 00:53:46 He put him in the swamp. People think that Brian Laundrie's living in a bunker in his parents' garden. Yeah. OK, is that in Florida? Yes. OK, well, whatever happened, dog showed up, found the kid, choked him to death, sprained his ankle during the melee.
Starting point is 00:53:59 Zip-tied him. But dog got the best of him. Threw him into the swamp. He's gator food now. Now dog leaves town. He's like, sorry, I got to Amscrae. I got a little tweaked ankle. You know how it goes, bro.
Starting point is 00:54:09 So everyone's like, yeah, we get a dog. I guess you're kind of a pussy now. And meanwhile, dog doesn't even have to tell everybody, but he gets to live the rest of his life knowing that justice has been served. He took the handkerchief off of Brian Laundrie's body, and he sniffs it every now and then just to get that high of killing a man.
Starting point is 00:54:25 Yep. So don't make us drop this. I got really excited. If he goes back, he'll be back, bro. If he goes back, if he's just taking a break, he'll be back. But if he, when his ankle gets better, and it might take a few years, he'll be back. And guess what?
Starting point is 00:54:41 If Brian Laundrie gets caught right now, it's because dogs smoked him out. So that's an assist. Fact. Cool throw neptisms. I air Wade assigned with the Salt Lake City Stars, who are his father's G League affiliate team. Oh, nice.
Starting point is 00:54:56 That's quite a coincidence. That's crazy that they scouted all those players, and that Dwayne Wade's son was the one. Yeah, that's, yeah, come on. No, but he's probably pretty good. Yeah, he's nasty. He's gonna, like, you can't, he's not gonna nepotism was way to the NBA.
Starting point is 00:55:12 That would be like saying like Jack Collinsworth got his job because he's Chris Collinsworth's son, not because he's sick at his fucking job. That's not a physically act, like you don't have to physically perform every weekend. No, Jack Collinsworth is like one of the best five broadcasters in America. Right, that's just pure talent.
Starting point is 00:55:28 Also, cool thrown rule changes? Do screwed and got his job on pure talent, too. Don't you think about that? Don't you guys, I feel like this room is turning on me and PFT. I don't like first you come for the dog, now you come for Deuce Gruden. Deuce is a powerlifting champion.
Starting point is 00:55:43 Bullshit. Belarus. If it wasn't for nepotism, we never would have caught Saddam Hussein. Fact. That is a fact. Nepotism contributes many great things. Jesus Christ was a great example of nepotism.
Starting point is 00:55:57 Oh, he just happened to be God's son. Oh, you think he became savior because of his merits? Yeah, he actually did, and also nepotism. Mm-hmm. Okay, carry on. I'm good. You sure, bro? You want to go with Christ real quick?
Starting point is 00:56:11 Maybe? I'm scraping the bottom of the barrel. You want to go with Christ real quick? You go with Christ. Do you want me to do another one? Smoke ice? So in the Atlantic League, they're putting in a new rule change?
Starting point is 00:56:23 I just had a great idea, by the way, for an alternate broadcast to the Manningcast. It's Jay and John Gruden and Deuce. Oh. And they're just watching a Chappelle show and laughing a little too hard. Yeah, laughing, yeah. And also, fuck ESPN, they're just pretending
Starting point is 00:56:38 like he was an employee there for like 10 years. That is true. That is true. He was just... Just want to throw that out there. Yeah. 2017? What happened?
Starting point is 00:56:46 Any shows get canceled right now? He was there in 2017. Yes. Yup, just wanted to double check that. Have you picked yet? Have you ever? Just interesting that... 2017, got it.
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Starting point is 00:58:46 Okay, we now welcome on our good friend, recurring guest. It is Booger McFarland talking a little ball, college football and NFL. Booger, always great to have you on. I wanted to start though with a question. I saw, we were watching Monday Night Football, Colts versus Ravens. Can you talk me through the green suit that you wore
Starting point is 00:59:06 because it was an interesting suit. So that, you pulled that off, but it was an interesting suit. Well, first and foremost, let's define interesting. I've never known you to mention a word, so go ahead and say what you really want to say. It was somewhere between a master's champion and also the guy who valets the cars at Augusta. I couldn't figure out which one.
Starting point is 00:59:29 Well, I prefer master's champion, but I only want to get that when I actually win the masters and since I'm a golfer, that is sacred and that is a very hollow statement. So I appreciate that you would even go there. Never ever confused me with a valet driver of any sort, whether it is one that's wearing a black jacket or a green jacket.
Starting point is 00:59:49 I wouldn't expect you to know fashion. Okay, so last night was really about fashion and about me being able to make a statement. Sure, I could continue to wear your normal gray, black, brown suit, but listen, who wants to watch that? Who wants to look on the screen and see a nice looking brother in a suit that just blends into the set?
Starting point is 01:00:13 Sometimes you try to make a fashion statement and let America know that, guess what? Books have a little fashion too. I've graduated from the guy that used to wear 34 huskies in the fifth grade, okay? So things are a little different now. Okay, all right, so that's fair. I mean, I like the bold choice because you know what?
Starting point is 01:00:28 I'm talking about it right now. It was a memorable thing. When they went to halftime, I was like, whoa, Booger went for it, he went for it. Booger can pull it off. I would like to see Adam Schefter show up in like an orange suit one time. You think he even has that in his closet?
Starting point is 01:00:42 You think he's got anything? He probably just has one suit and it's the same suit, just like 10 different pairs of it. I would agree. I think Schefter probably has 54 blue and black suits and he just kind of mixes them up and when he wants to spice it up, he goes with a little gray. Yeah, sometimes like a funky red tie.
Starting point is 01:00:59 Yes. My tie has a stripe on it. Yes. Allow the tie to accentuate everything, tie in the pocket square. All right, so let's talk NFL first and we'll do some college football. The big story coming out a week five
Starting point is 01:01:12 in terms of teams here, are the Kansas City Chiefs broken and what's your level of concern on how bad they are defense and can they put this back together? Are they broken? Yes, they're broken right now. Is it fixable? Yes, it's going to take a while, absolutely. So let's kind of break that down a little bit.
Starting point is 01:01:30 I think the quarterback's not playing well and we can make excuses for the reasons why, but the bottom line is, you know, he's a half a billion dollar quarterback who's not taking care of the football. He's already thrown as many interceptions this year as he did all of last year. So I think he's got to take care
Starting point is 01:01:43 and value the ball a little bit better. I think he's become a little bit enamored with some of the magical things that we've seen him do, i.e. the no-look passes, leaving the pocket thrown off of one foot. Sometimes the simplest thing to do is just to look at the guy and throw it to him. And I think Patrick Mahomes, and he'll tell you himself,
Starting point is 01:02:02 he's falling victim to the da-da-da, da-da-da, that type of play. And so he's got to get back to just playing good solid football. Tyreek Hill, Travis Kills, those guys are two of the best at their position. I think they'll be fine. They put a lot of money in this offensive line.
Starting point is 01:02:17 The offensive line will be really, really cool. I think they'll be fine. Their defense is absolutely poo-poo. So, yeah, let me ask you a quick follow-up on their defense because I should have said this to begin with. I'm always interested- Yeah, that's a bad job of interviewing by you. Yeah, no, no.
Starting point is 01:02:33 You should have asked one question and then set up the next question. Well, no, here's, no, that's not why I did that because I respect you, Booger. I know you can hold two thoughts in your head at the same time, so that was a good initial question. It didn't go in enough detail in this respect. You were part of a defense,
Starting point is 01:02:48 the 2006 Indianapolis Colts. Unfortunately, they beat my bears in the Super Bowl, but you were part of a defense- That's your rexy. All regular season was bad. You guys were not a good defense and then you, towards the end of the season, figured it out, put it together,
Starting point is 01:03:04 played good enough defense to win the Super Bowl. Is that something that can be replicated or is it, like that was a once in a million, you know, the defense was just, it needed everything to get better and then it got better all of a sudden. Or can, like, can the Chiefs do that? I don't think they can,
Starting point is 01:03:21 but can they, someone who's actually seen it firsthand, a team kind of flipped the switch defensively? Well, I give them a better opportunity than we did. So we didn't really change a lot. Once I got traded to Indianapolis, that was kind of the personnel that we had and we just had to get better. You know, people would often ask Tony Dungey,
Starting point is 01:03:39 hey, what are you gonna do to fix the defense? And he said, he simply said, hey, nothing. Guys got to do their job. Like we're professionals. Guys got to go out and actually do their job better. And, you know, thankful for the people in Indianapolis. We did that. Defensive football, Big Cat is not necessarily
Starting point is 01:03:55 about like X's and O's. Playing defense is about hustle. It's about effort and it's about hitting people. Like as long as 11 people are doing that, we can stop people. It really doesn't matter from a scheme standpoint, having a great scheme. It's about relentless effort and applying to the ball.
Starting point is 01:04:12 Prime example, look at the Cowboys. What's really different with the Cowboys this year other than Michael Parsons? It's the same dudes, like it's the same guys. You change the coordinator and all Dan Quinn has done is really simple. Hey guys, we're gonna play with relentless effort. Okay, run to the ball, hit somebody,
Starting point is 01:04:31 make something happen and play to the whistle. I let everybody do their job. Now, you bring it back to the Chiefs. I think they can do it and do it at a higher level because if you look at the other night, Chris Jones in play, Frank Clark has come off of an injury. They're missing, I think it's Trevarius Ward,
Starting point is 01:04:48 one of their corners. So all their pieces are not there yet. And so when all their pieces get back, Spagnolo is always gonna be a risk taker on defense. So they're never gonna be the Baltimore Ravens or the Buccaneers. They're gonna be a team that gives us some plays but they're gonna make some also.
Starting point is 01:05:03 The problem is right now, they're not making any plays, you know, turnovers, pick sixes, sacks, they're not doing it. They only have like six sacks on the year. That's terrible when you have two guys that are making $20 million up front in Frank Clark and Chris Jones. So I think they can get it done.
Starting point is 01:05:18 It's gonna take a while. First and foremost, they gotta get healthy. If they do that, I do think that they can make a run but they are a bad football team right now. Yeah, on the defensive side, it's interesting that Big Cap brought up that Colts team because they had a safety, Bob Sanders, right? That flipped that switch.
Starting point is 01:05:34 He's similar to the Honey Badger in a lot of ways in that they're always around the football. I think Tyrone Matthews, he's faster I think overall. He's better in coverage but they still have that knack for getting to the football, causing a lot of fumbles, picking up a fumble, taking it back. There are elements that definitely match up with those two teams.
Starting point is 01:05:51 And as far as Patrick Mahomes goes, I think what you're touching on, we've been saying this, we've kind of been squatting on this take for the last two years. He gets too cute with it sometimes. Sometimes, too cute. I love that saying that he gets too cute. And so he needs to just, you're saying he needs to just
Starting point is 01:06:05 go back to fundamentals, locking on a receiver, go through your progressions, just play quarterback like a normal way. And I actually think that the Chiefs will be fine by the end of the year. They'll manage to figure all this stuff out that we're talking about. And they'll probably end up as a three seat
Starting point is 01:06:20 in the playoffs or something like that. I just think that he's too good to go the entire year committing all these turnovers and running these issues. Well, I completely agree. It's kind of like Big Cap. He goes on these diets sometimes. Like his level of fat in his body is just too high for him to stay on it.
Starting point is 01:06:38 Like it will never last. At some point, he's gonna Big Cap. And he's gonna continue to, I don't know whether it's the donuts or it's the double cheeseburgers or what it is, but he can go on a diet for six days. That seventh day, he's gonna intake so many calories that his body is just gonna start rejecting some of them.
Starting point is 01:06:57 The water always finds his level. You know what it is? There you go, there you go. During a season, during a football season, when you played in the NFL, like your body gets banged up during the season, guys go through injuries, you're hurt, not injured. I, during the football season,
Starting point is 01:07:13 I am constantly, you know, battling week to week, trying to make it through the weeks. And sometimes, you know, it falls apart. That's, I'm no different than, than a guy who has two Super Bowl ranks. We're the same booger. Oh, we, there's nothing about us, except we both have two arms and two legs.
Starting point is 01:07:29 That's the same other than that. That is it, my friend. No, we're the same. We're the same. Boog, I have a question for you. Cause I randomly, I got YouTube algorithm last week, where they just like force a video down my throat. And the one that popped up was the old
Starting point is 01:07:43 Monday night football game of the Colts and the Bucks. The one where you were on the Bucks at the time and the Colts got out to that, or the Colts had a massive deficit in the fourth quarter. I think it was the biggest fourth quarter comeback in the history of Monday night football. And it went to overtime. They had that missed field goal followed up
Starting point is 01:08:02 by the doink that went in with Vanderjack. You were on that, on that field goal block team when they called, was it Simeon Rice for leaping? Yeah, I think so. Yeah. Do you remember going back and watching, do you, do you know what the refs called in that game? Is that an actual penalty to jump in the air?
Starting point is 01:08:19 No, I don't think the penalty, first of all, thanks for bringing that up. I somehow forgot about that. All time bad defensive performance. Mm-hmm. Yeah, I wouldn't quite go that far. All time choked job. Yeah, okay.
Starting point is 01:08:31 All time. I can think of a couple more. Well, okay, I'm not even gonna go there. I've never choked that bad on Monday night football. Okay, I get your point, all right? Yup. It's one of those calls, man, where I think when they called it in the moment,
Starting point is 01:08:46 we were like, huh, what, is that a penalty? And then when you go back and you open the rule book and you turn the page 179 and you look under dash four, there it is. Like it's one of those rules nobody ever knows, nobody ever looks up. And it's very similar to the double punt the other night. Remember, I forget what game with that was,
Starting point is 01:09:02 was it Thursday night football where there was a double punt and nobody knew the rules? Yup. Very similar to that. Yeah, that was, it was just kind of an embarrassing moment for you personally, I would have to imagine. Yes. How much were you guys up by?
Starting point is 01:09:15 I think we were up 31. Maybe it was 35 or 31. It was like 35, 33, 31, three, something like that. Wow, and you lost? Well, Peyton Manning was on the other side. Oh, okay. Can I talk quarterbacks real quick? So we got,
Starting point is 01:09:31 Absolutely. So let's, let's take out Brady. Let's take out Mahomes, Rogers and say Josh Allen. Who's, who's the quarterback you think is playing the best right this second that you take on your team? Justin Herbert. There it is. Yeah, I don't think it's closed.
Starting point is 01:09:48 And I said this the other day guys, and you tell me if you guys buy into this. I think we were all victims of that, of his personality coming out. Remember when he came out of the draft, everyone said where he wasn't a captain. He wasn't a leader. He was kind of an introvert.
Starting point is 01:10:08 He didn't talk a lot. He wanted to go back to Eugene and play another year. Cause remember he didn't come out early. Yeah. He had the chance to come out early, but he went back to school. And so we paid so much attention to his personality that we overlooked his talent.
Starting point is 01:10:21 And the Miami Dolphins did so much they took two in front of him. How about them apples? Yeah, for me it was the hair. When, when they cut his hair, I was like, he's lost all his powers. And then he spent the last year growing it back out. It's nice and shaggy.
Starting point is 01:10:34 It's not too long like Trevor Lawrence. Yeah, but it is. It's a good point booker because it's actually, it's crazy when you look at quarterbacks and if they stay longer, it's just more time to tear them down in a weird way. Whereas like when it's the potential is there and they come out after three years,
Starting point is 01:10:50 it's like, well, they, everything, we can fix everything and everything looks great. I remember the people were saying that because he played high school football in the shadows of Austin Stadium in Eugene, Oregon, and then went to Oregon, the guys never traveled anywhere in his life. And that was a knock against him.
Starting point is 01:11:08 Like that. So like when you have more time, you break it down. But he's been, he's been incredible. And that, so that, that Chief's Chargers game, we're talking about it on Sunday. I, I think the Chargers defense in the, sorry, the Chargers Browns game. I think the Chargers defense and the Browns defense
Starting point is 01:11:25 are both very good. Is there something to be said for a game that just gets out of control where you can't, you can't judge their defense going forward on that one game where shit just went crazy and it became a shootout and like game flow was completely off the charts. Because I don't think both those defenses are, give up 500 yards and 40 point defenses.
Starting point is 01:11:46 No, but I, I do think both of those defenses, their weaknesses got exposed a little bit. Okay. If you look at the Chargers defense, they couldn't stop the run. Like they had the, the, the, the wherewithal of, of like two inch trying to stop the run. Like, I mean, they just couldn't do it.
Starting point is 01:12:01 And if you get the Brown, or the Browns defense, I know the defensive coordinator, he's a personal friend of mine. And they tried to build that secondary up for the last couple of years. And that secondary got exposed when Miles Garrett and Jadavion Clowney are not getting up to the quarterback. That secondary was getting toasted.
Starting point is 01:12:17 I mean, Mike Williams was running, Scott Freed to the point that I honestly thought that the play was dead because there was no one around him. And it was a touchdown. So to your point, sometimes it can get out of hand, but I think that was just one of those cases, man, where it was really, really two defenses that had bad matchups because their weaknesses
Starting point is 01:12:38 were being accentuated by the other team strength if you follow me. Yes. Yes. Absolutely. I want to ask you about the Washington football team's defense because we had Rex Ryan on a couple of weeks ago, and he said, that's his biggest disappointment of the season. It's my personal biggest disappointment because I was relying on that team to be able to, you know,
Starting point is 01:12:56 look like themselves from last year to a certain extent because they haven't really changed personnel. They haven't changed coordinators. They, in fact, added some guys on defense, but they suck. They're just really, really bad right now. From your perspective as a defensive guy, is it an effort thing or is it a scheme thing? How much hope should I have
Starting point is 01:13:14 for this Washington football team defense? I think it's a combination of two things. And I'm thinking scheme because the same coordinator still there, Jack Del Rio, still the defense coordinator. So then I go to the next step, could it be effort? Well, I see that playing hard. Those guys are flying around.
Starting point is 01:13:31 I just don't see the consistency of attention to detail. The things that make you great are often the little things. And last year, that defensive line was dominant. This year, it hasn't been. Last year, they were creating turnovers. This year or not. Last year, the secondary was pretty good. I think they added, is it Jackson?
Starting point is 01:13:51 They see Jackson, maybe the corner? Yeah, they got the corner and they got Landon Collins back who is. Yeah, he was supposed to be good, but he's like, he's been pretty bad to the point where people are saying, maybe he should just switch positions to linebacker. And that's never a good sign when people are like,
Starting point is 01:14:07 your safety is so slow, but he could be a really good small linebacker. Listen, that's kind of like Big Cat. Big Cat were to play football. He would probably start out at fullback and then he'd be like, you know what? This running thing is a little tough. Let's just move him to guard or center.
Starting point is 01:14:21 So eventually, that's where you get to. So again, you and I are very similar. We can morph into different positions, even though you may want to be on fullback. I think eventually you settle in at the left guard. Maybe right guard. His left guard is more athletic. You'd be kind of a right guard.
Starting point is 01:14:37 This feels personal now, Booger. Yeah, no, that's fine. He's projecting because Booger struggles with his weight. So he's projecting. I'll take it. I'll carry it for you. I don't struggle with it. I just like to eat.
Starting point is 01:14:53 Where do you land on the starting rookie quarterbacks? Like the debate obviously raged when Justin Fields was not being played. Train Lance has looked not great, but he's had to play for Jimmy Garoppolo because he got injured. Do you think there's a, like, are you one of those guys like,
Starting point is 01:15:10 hey, you could ruin a starting quarterback? Or if they're the guy, they're going to be the guy and you should play them right away. I think you play a guy when he's ready. I don't believe in putting the guy out there and just throwing him to the wolves. I think there's a lot of kids that are growing up nowadays
Starting point is 01:15:24 that are mentally soft. And if you run into a mentally soft quarterback, yeah, maybe you could not necessarily ruin them, but you will get them in a bad mental state or a bad frame of mind. As you look at these quarterbacks here, Trevor Lawrence, I think is super athletic. I think he's going to be fine.
Starting point is 01:15:43 As long as he can keep Urban Meyer on the plane and coming back to Jacksonville and he stays invested, I think Trevor will be fine. Zach Wilson, his talent is really, really, really, really off the charts. He can make all the throws. I just think he's got to get used to doing the simple things. Like he's got to get used to coming to work,
Starting point is 01:16:00 taking the time card, clocking in and going to work. Like he doesn't need to come to work with the shades on and the designer jacket. He's got to get used to doing the small things and if he does that, I think he'll be good. Matt Jones, listen, Matt is in a really, really good situation. I love Matt Jones.
Starting point is 01:16:16 I love what Matt is doing. I think Matt is going to wind up being a really, really good quarterback. He'll make some pro-boats. He'll be really good for a long time. Justin Fields, I'm not a believer in Matt Nagy. I think Matt Nagy, you know, yeah. Yeah, I'm just not a believer in what he's done.
Starting point is 01:16:33 I thought Mitchell Biskie was a quarterback that had a lot of talent, but he just wasn't using the proper way. Trey Lant is not ready. And what I mean by not ready, let me define that. The objectivity of playing that position or the prerequisite, you got to make really good decisions. You got to take care of the football
Starting point is 01:16:54 and you have to give your team or put your team in the best position to win. That means you can't take sacks. That means you can't throw the football to the other team. If you watch the pre-season and every game you play, he took a ton of sacks. He threw interceptable balls, even though they were not sometimes intercepted,
Starting point is 01:17:10 but he threw balls that hit the DVs in the hands. So he's not ready. And if you watch the game the other day against the Cardinals, I mean, Trey Lant, I mean, the first throw of the game, or one of the first throws of the game, he gets picked and he throws another one clear over the guy's head. The game is moving too fast for him. Eventually it'll slow down.
Starting point is 01:17:27 And when it does, he'll be an all pro player. So I honestly think that these guys, there is a lot of expectation based on where they picked and based on our appetite to get everything we want right now. Like it's really not on their fault. It's our fault because Big Cat, you being a Chicago Bear fan,
Starting point is 01:17:44 you want to see Justin Fields right now because you're paying your season tickets or whatever and you want to get your money's worth when you go to the stadium. Well, just have a little patience. Yeah, you mentioned Urban there for a second. Is there any recovering of that locker room? You've been in locker rooms your entire life.
Starting point is 01:18:02 You, I sure you've never had a coach not fly back with the team. Let's just say hypothetically, Tony Dungey stayed overnight after an away game and then he was grabbing a girl's butt in a bar and getting absolutely hammered. Yeah. Something you may have seen.
Starting point is 01:18:14 How does it recover? Like, are those guys checked out of what Urban Meyer's saying for the rest of the year? Or is there any, is there any way this, because on top of it all, they're bad, but is there any way he can get back the trust in that locker room? No, I don't think so.
Starting point is 01:18:31 I don't think Urban can. And to your point, PFT, I don't think Tony Dungey would ever do that, which is the one thing. Like Tony didn't comment on the whole bar thing with the wife. Tony's biggest thing was, he's like, that's between you and your wife. Tony's biggest thing was as a coach,
Starting point is 01:18:48 you left your team. Yeah. Like this whole thing about teamwork and I'm the guy off front, I'm the leader. Like you literally got off the plane and says, all right guys, we lost a heartbreaker. Hey, I'll catch you guys on the other side. Like that's just something you don't see people do.
Starting point is 01:19:03 Yeah. And that's something as a player, my coach, here's the thing, here's what's crazy. Now, how did you leave? Now, how did you leave us? You went to the bar and you got a female, that's not your wife, she's twerking on you and you're like having a great time.
Starting point is 01:19:20 Okay. So the very thing that you would probably get upset if we did, Lady at Night, or somebody called us in a very compromised position. Here you are as a grown man married with adult daughters, you are in there and we still don't know where his right hand was. Like nobody still knows where they're right in.
Starting point is 01:19:36 I've watched the tape. Like we don't. I've watched the tape. It was in some places, it was, it was doing a little RPO, I'll put it that way. Come on, this is part of my tape. I need a little bit more than that. It was somewhere between the butthole and the vagina.
Starting point is 01:19:52 It was in the gooch. Yeah. Well, listen, you said it, I'm glad you watched the tape. I didn't see it. I'll go back and look at the tape a little bit more in detail and see if I can see that. But at the end of the day guys, as a head coach, you just can't do that.
Starting point is 01:20:05 That's the only thing I'll say, you just can't do that. Yeah. They might leave them in London. I think that would be the best possible outcome for everybody. Just don't get, don't allow them on the plane. Have them go out to the pub. Have a couple of pints with some birds over there.
Starting point is 01:20:18 Switching gears real quick to college football. You're an LSU guy. We're LSU guys. We love Coach O. I want to preface everything I'm about to say with the fact that I love Coach O. He's been very good to us on this show and he won a national championship.
Starting point is 01:20:32 You don't have to qualify. Just go ahead and say it. You can't take the national championship away from him. Is he going to get fired this weekend? No. I don't think he's going to get fired this weekend. I do think that the people, I'll put it this way. And I think this is the God honest truth.
Starting point is 01:20:47 I think that the people who make those decisions in Baton Rouge, their attention is focused solely on every Saturday throughout the rest of the season. And that's not just with the outcome of the game. That's preparation. That's his press conferences. That's everything that involves LSU football. Because guys, I'll tell you this.
Starting point is 01:21:08 In the state of Louisiana, it's LSU football number one and everything else is second. That includes the New Orleans Saints and the Pelicans regardless of whether Zion is playing or not. It is LSU football and everything else. And so I think from a athletic standpoint, from a political standpoint, the entire state is focused on what happens and what
Starting point is 01:21:28 goes on the next six or seven Saturdays. And if that doesn't change, I don't have to tell you guys anything you don't know. I think we all know what, eventually, if it doesn't change, what's going to happen? Yeah. It sucks. It sucks because we love Coach O.
Starting point is 01:21:46 But it's also the reality of SEC football. It's the reality of a school like LSU that expects to be great year in and year out. The pressure is. We should be great. Yeah. No, she's got the guys. No, she should be great.
Starting point is 01:21:58 Yes. Yes. I actually, on that note, so LSU always has top recruits, Bama, Georgia, Ohio State, these teams that always get the best recruits. Would you, when you're playing on a Saturday, is it that apparent when you play against a team that's like, OK, they could have a great quarterback.
Starting point is 01:22:19 They could have a great coach. But when it comes down to it, they don't have dudes that are even close to our set of dudes. Yes. I think I've played several games where you basically say, hey, if that dude doesn't beat us, they got no shot. Right. And you know what going in?
Starting point is 01:22:39 Nobody's something like, nobody comes out and says it because that goes against the whole code. Because, hey, we got to go out and we got to play one player. You know all the coach speak, one player at a time, do your job, et cetera, et cetera. But I think in the back of everybody's mind, you know that if we're playing Wyoming
Starting point is 01:22:54 and they have Josh Allen, hey, if Josh Allen can't beat us, the other 21 guys that are going to step on the field have no shot. Right. Right. It's an interesting part of college football when you watch it every Saturday because in the NFL, any given Sunday, like every team has pros
Starting point is 01:23:09 and any team can beat any team whereas in college football, even this weekend with Alabama losing to Texas A&M, it's a shocking upset. But at the end of the day, Texas A&M has really fucking good players. You know what I mean? They have a top 10 recruiting class the last three, four years. So it's not.
Starting point is 01:23:25 Why is it shocking? Jimbo told you this summer it was going to happen. And it's even in golf. Yeah. But you know what I mean? When you actually look at the recruits for each team, the talent level is not that. There's not a huge discrepancy.
Starting point is 01:23:39 It's just that A&M was having a bad year in Alabama's Alabama. It's perception, right? I think we have the perception that when I hear a name, I automatically know what it's going to be like. Alabama dominant, Ohio State dominant, Georgia dominant. LSU, they could be good depending on who the quarterback is. So there's this perception.
Starting point is 01:24:02 Michigan never beat Ohio State. So as soon as you say names, the perception comes in our mind. And I think that's our fault again. Because you're right. If you look at the recruiting rankings, the teams that should be really good, Alabama, Georgia, Clemson, some are good, some are not. Like Clemson's terrible this year.
Starting point is 01:24:21 And so I think you have to be able to look at the team, watch how they're playing, follow how they're playing. And that'll give you a little bit of insight. But I think the parody is starting to take a little bit of shape in college football. And what I mean by that is I think that Penn State has raised that level of play. I think Michigan is playing well this year.
Starting point is 01:24:43 I'm still waiting for USC to get the right head coach. When they get the right head coach then, when USC starts rolling, then they dominate California. And USC, Oregon kind of control the West Coast. You come in the middle. It's always been Texas, Oklahoma. You go up in the kind of in the Midwest slash Northeast. It's been Ohio State, Penn State, Michigan.
Starting point is 01:25:05 And then you have the SEC. That's kind of been what college football has been about. Miami, Florida State has kind of been up and down a little bit. But like generally, it's been like a 20 team feel for like the last 30 or 40 years. We're just, I think, slowly getting back to that point. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:25:23 It's also interesting. I think the biggest change in college football is that guys can transfer. And the transfer portal is you don't see it. Like you actually, Penn State losing to Iowa is a perfect example. They lose their quarterback. They don't have a backup.
Starting point is 01:25:37 Usually in a regular season, 20 years ago, you have a backup who's decent. Even Caleb Williams comes in. I don't know what, what do you think Lincoln Riley is going to do with Caleb Williams and Spencer Rattler? Because you don't want to lose Spencer Rattler this season. Like he could, he probably won't.
Starting point is 01:25:56 But if you name Caleb Williams a starter, Spencer Rattler could transfer. He could put himself in the transfer portal the next day. And now you're, you have no debt. Well, I think where you at right now, he's not leaving because where is he going? Who has scholarships available, et cetera, et cetera. Yeah, not this year, but he might say like,
Starting point is 01:26:13 I'm not going to stick around and be the backup. Again, he might not do it. That's cool. Right. Well, that's cool. If Spencer Rattler leaves and I got a scholarship, I can assign somebody else. But it's like, this is big boy football, big cat.
Starting point is 01:26:24 Like if you, you don't do the job, like you lose it, I'm going to play the best guy. It's kind of like Nick Saban. Remember when Nick Saban pulled Jaylen Hurts and put in two? Yep. All right. And Jaylen Hurts kind of just sat there and he tupped it out
Starting point is 01:26:36 and he came back in the, I believe in the, in the SEC title game, he came back and played some. Yep. Okay. So you have to have the mental toughness as a kid to know that if, if I'm not playing well, like this is very, very similar to life. Like if I'm not doing what I need to do in life,
Starting point is 01:26:54 I'm going to either be fired, demoted, and I got to look at myself in the mirror and say, I got to do better. Yeah. Spencer Rattler, to your point, I don't think Spencer Rattler's going to start another game at Oklahoma barring injury over the next couple of years to thank Caleb Williams.
Starting point is 01:27:08 Caleb Williams came in and galvanized the team. So if, if Lincoln stood in front of the team and said, hey, we're going back to Spencer, he would lose every player in there because they look at him with the side I like. So you're going back to the dude to head us down, two touchdowns or three touchdowns against Texas. Okay. All right.
Starting point is 01:27:23 So now you're not about winning, you're about the agenda. Yeah. And as a coach, you can't do that, man. You always got to be real with your team. And because if you don't, then you risk the, you risk losing the confidence and the trust of your team. But, but what I'm saying is the best coaches going forward in college football will find a way
Starting point is 01:27:43 to keep positional depth in an era where guys can transfer. Like Penn State, if they keep Will Leavis, who starts for Kentucky and beat LSU on Saturday night, if he's the backup for Penn State, they win that game in Iowa, I believe that. Instead, they don't have that backup, you know, and it falls apart quickly. So it's going to be interesting to see
Starting point is 01:28:04 which coaches are able to like massage those relationships and keep guys kind of bought in, even though they're not starting right away. Yeah. I think that's a good point. I also think that that depth is going to be younger. So you're not going to get a guy who's a junior or senior that's just going to sit there and twirl his thumbs and listen to part of my take on Tuesday and Wednesday
Starting point is 01:28:23 and go to practice and ride the bench on Saturday. Like you're not going to get that. Will Leavis listens to every show and he beat LSU's ass. Factually incorrect, Booger. Yeah. Okay, okay, one out of a hundred, okay. Say I'm wrong, all right. Most of your depth to your point, Big Cat,
Starting point is 01:28:42 is going to be younger guys. So a freshman and a sophomore. And that's what Nick Saban does, a great job of convincing young guys to kind of sit around and wait their turn. He'll play them a little bit in the games against Northwest Directional State to kind of make the moms and dads
Starting point is 01:28:54 and the grandparents feel good. But when you get into conference play, those guys don't play a whole lot. All right, what about Georgia's defense? Because I'm starting to think they might be one of the best defenses of all time. Like maybe in 20 years, we might look back and we might be like this Georgia team
Starting point is 01:29:09 is like those early 2000s Miami teams. You know, like some of the Florida state teams from back in the day. Do you think that this Georgia team what we're watching right now could be an all-time great? I think the defense is as good as we've seen on a collegiate level in a long time. I think Stetson Bennett, AKA the mailman at quarterback
Starting point is 01:29:30 brings a level of maturity and toughness to the quarterback position that JT Daniels does it. You know, JT, I've never seen a guy practice like on Tuesday, Wednesday, skip Thursday, didn't play Saturday, right? Like what are we doing here? And so I think this is Georgia. It seemed like we say this every year.
Starting point is 01:29:52 This is Georgia's best opportunity maybe to win a national championship. How many times have we said that? Right. Like in the last couple of years, we've said it a couple, like two or three times. So their defense is legit. Their head coach is really, really, really good.
Starting point is 01:30:07 I play with him, but I play against Kirby at Georgia. I think we're gonna get one of the all-time great games when we get Georgia versus Alabama in the SEC Championship game. I think it'll be outstanding. And I think it'll be one of those Saturdays that we look back and we go, wow. There will probably be, it'll be very similar
Starting point is 01:30:24 to the LSU Alabama game that was 10-9 or 13-9 years ago where I think there were 44 draft picks on that field. I think when Georgia and Alabama face each other, potentially, I think there'll be 40 to 50 guys that go in the first four or five rounds in the NFL draft at some point. When you were playing against Kirby on the field, did you underestimate him because his name was Kirby?
Starting point is 01:30:45 No, I underestimated him because if I'm not mistaken, Kirby played safety and he didn't look really athletic. He looked like maybe a coach's son. You know, he's a hard guy. He's gonna be in the right spot, do the right thing. He's a coach on the field. You know all the stigmas. Yeah, deceptively athletic.
Starting point is 01:31:05 Yes, I got you. I just feel like people named Kirby usually get underestimated in life. It's one of those names that it's hard to take seriously, but I think he's proven himself. And obviously, I think this team on defense is definitely one to watch. I do wanna see them play like a explosive offense.
Starting point is 01:31:21 And that's not an, I think the defense lights out, but they have not played an explosive offense and your retort could be, there aren't that many this year, but like- Who would you classify as an explosive offense? Ole Miss, Alabama, Ole Miss, Ohio State, what? Okay, oh, listen, hey, big guy, listen. Alabama, yes, Ole Miss, I take it you're believing Lane also?
Starting point is 01:31:45 No, I think they're, listen, Georgia will beat Ole Miss because Ole Miss can't stop anyone. I'm saying, all I'm saying is the offenses that Georgia has played are not good. Clemson is a dumpster fire offensively right now. That was a win week one. We're like, oh, that's huge. Arkansas is one dimensional.
Starting point is 01:32:03 Auburn, Bonix is trick or treat. I, again, I think Georgia's defense is very, very good. I just, I can't wait till they have to play an offense that can do multiple things and do them well. Alabama, like you said, the SEC championship game will be fantastic. Yeah, that's fair. I would just rebut that by saying,
Starting point is 01:32:23 Ole Miss put up what, 14 points against Alabama, and I think that Georgia's defense is a notch above balance. Yeah, no, I agree with you. I just, it's more, it's less a knock on Georgia. It's more like, I want to see what it looks like against the truly explosive offense, and then I'm ready to say this is an, like, all-time defense from Georgia.
Starting point is 01:32:44 You know what I mean? That's the last piece of me, yeah. I got you. Hooker, are you still in the room with Chris Berman this year while he's coming up with his nicknames? Yes, he talks a little bit, he doesn't talk out loud as much about them, but we are in the room together.
Starting point is 01:33:01 Okay, because I remember last year we did Jalen Hurts so good, and you got that on the Air Force, which I appreciate. Yes. That was probably like, What do we have this year? That was teed up for him nicely. I don't know, I was thinking two things, Justin Strawberry Fields,
Starting point is 01:33:15 that should be an easy one to incept, or maybe around Christmas time, with 49ers decked the halls of the ball as a holly, sa-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la. No, with the Jets. When I said 49, yeah, with the Jets, with the Jets, yeah. Yeah, that was a bit of a reach. I do like the Strawberry Fields.
Starting point is 01:33:35 Okay, that should be easy for Boomer to hear and be like, Oh, yeah. Did you hear the whoop that he let out the other night? I think it was last Monday night when he was doing the Washington football team game, where he just, he screamed, and you could hear it echo off the far corner of the room. Yeah, if there were cobwebs in the corner of the studio,
Starting point is 01:33:53 they weren't after that whoop. Yeah, Boomer is, I think Boomer gets a lot of pent-up frustration throughout the week. And when he comes into the office on Sunday, he has to let a lot of that out. Because usually, once we do our show, he has to record several things for Sunday
Starting point is 01:34:10 and Monday and all that. And so I just think he lets a lot of it out. And if you're in a way, you're gonna hear it. Yeah. All right, I had one more NFL question. So give me your, you had a Super Bowl prediction preseason, but give it to me right now after week five.
Starting point is 01:34:25 Week five, Super Bowl prediction. I am still, I'm gonna be a homer. I am going Tampa versus Buffalo. Okay. So you're not a believer in the Cardinals. You know, there's an old saying, big cat that you got to crawl before you walk. I think they're crawling right now.
Starting point is 01:34:45 I don't know if they're ready to walk just yet. Got it. Is that a height comment about Kyler Murray? Yeah. You call them a baby? Yeah, okay, well, I mean, listen, I get it. If you want to go by the part sales thing, that you are what your record says.
Starting point is 01:34:55 Okay, they're five and oh, they're the best. If I ask you this, you tell me this, they're five and oh, they have the best record. Are they the best team in football? No, no, I agree with you on that. Okay, so don't tell me that they're five and oh. I just said Cardinals, you know, just shout out the Cardinals, you know,
Starting point is 01:35:08 people get upset because they don't shout out the Cardinals. Okay, I hear you. What were you saying, PFT? I was just saying that it sounded like a height comment. Like you made a baby reference to Kyler Murray and more because they're shorter guys. I thought that was a little bit disrespectful as a short man. As a guy who is a six foot defensive tackle,
Starting point is 01:35:28 I am with the short people, trust me. Oh, okay. Okay. Yes, yes, I was never one of the tallest guys. You know, me, Aaron Donald, Grady Jarrett, like we're among the short defensive tackle crew. And what I mean by that is none of us are six foot one at all. I like that.
Starting point is 01:35:47 They'll be like, you know, guys like me and Aaron Donald, like maybe the best defensive player of all time. Right. We play the same position. Yeah. Yeah. It just plays a little better. Did we want to ask?
Starting point is 01:35:57 He trained with knives. You trained with forks and mac and cheese. Did we want to ask quick scouting report for what's going to happen with the Raiders this week because they're interim head coach, you know, right? Yeah. So are they going to, is this a, they rally or is it things are going to fall apart quickly here?
Starting point is 01:36:18 No, I do think they rally. Who did they have this week at Denver? Yeah. That'll be a slug fest. Rich Versace is just really, really quick about him. He's a special teams coach. And what happens with your special teams coaches, they have to talk to offensive guys and defensive guys.
Starting point is 01:36:38 So that's why they usually have a really, really good pulse of your team. So I think he'll have a really cool feel, a really good vibe when he walks into the meeting tomorrow about his team. He'll be able to rally the troops. I think this is the best thing for him. I don't think that having John in that locker room
Starting point is 01:36:55 another day was going to be, was going to be beneficial to anyone. I think there's a lot of soul searching that Mark Davis had to do before they came to that decision last night. And I think besides you're going forward, I think he'll do as good a job as you can do under the circumstances. Are they going to go 12 and 0 the rest of the season? No, but I guarantee you the team will fight,
Starting point is 01:37:18 the team will fly around. He's been wanting to be a coach for a long, long time. I can tell you that. All right. And I look for him to put his best foot forward and just don't be surprised that this team rallies behind Rich Versace. OK, I think, big guy, I think we have the Roeback.
Starting point is 01:37:35 Oh, yep, we do. So last question, Booger, it is the Roeback question. Use code PFT on roeback.com for 20% off your first purchase. Roeback.com, R-H-O-B-A-C-K.com. Code PFT, they make the best performance Q-Zips in hoodies and they just dropped new gear for the fall. For our guests today, Booger, we're going to give you a Roeback performance Q-Zip on us.
Starting point is 01:37:56 Use code PFT, roeback.com. All right, one last thing on Rich. Is he, what's his body type like? Because that's usually how I judge interim head coaches. Body type as in, I mean, he's not muscular like Gabe Kapler. That's what we're thinking. He's not bench pressing 350 before the meeting. Is he a football guy?
Starting point is 01:38:14 Is he a football guy in the truest sense? Absolutely. Football guy, it's hot outside. He's going to walk out there with a long sleeved shirt on. OK. He's got a football coach's dress. Yeah. He's going to have a pencil somewhere.
Starting point is 01:38:29 He's going to have a bunch of plastic stuff hanging out around his waist. He's a true football guy, man. Competitive casual. I like it. Yes, that's a great way to put it. That's probably your best contribution in the last half hour.
Starting point is 01:38:41 Thank you. Thank you, Booger. Will he cry for his team like Dan Campbell, which I love to see. That was, if you're on the Lions, are you like, that's, those are good tiers. He cares. So there's probably a couple of different camps
Starting point is 01:38:54 that the team falls in. One, some guys be like, man, what in the hell is wrong with him? Like, what are you doing? And then you've got the sentimental crowd. It's like, hey, man, hey, our coach cares. We're like, I'll run through a wall for him. And then you've got the other guys that are like, OK, I get it. I'm not sure if I'd cry about it, but OK, it's cool.
Starting point is 01:39:11 So just depending on which camp you fall into, I think the players fall into one of those three camps. OK. And Rich, would he cry if given the correct football situation? Because this is important stuff for betting. Like, when you get a chance to the interim head coach, it's very, very crucial to nail what type of personality they have and whether or not you're going to bet on their team.
Starting point is 01:39:35 Here's what I was saying. And I think this will answer your question. If I had to go in a foxhole, and it's only me and about four or five people, and you told me I could go all around the NFL and pick from head coaches and assistant coaches, I'm taking Dan Campbell. OK. All right.
Starting point is 01:39:52 I'm taking Rich Passaccio. Yep. I'm taking, I'm trying to go through the list, I'm taking Sean McDermott. OK. I've got to give me a high energy guy. I'm getting Sean McBae. Hank is getting mad because you haven't said Bill Belichick.
Starting point is 01:40:13 Not getting, what the hell is he going to do? He's a fucking general. Figure out a way to get you out. Yeah. Hank is. His dad was in the Navy. The Navy. The great.
Starting point is 01:40:21 OK. And then lastly, let me see who I'm going to get. What is fucking McDermott? What about Andy Reed? And Andy Reed. Andy Reed. Or can I maybe say maybe Matt Nagy and you have him run out so everyone sees the fire going one way
Starting point is 01:40:34 and then you can sneak out the other way? No. So basically, you want Matt Nagy to kind of lay down some cover fire? Yeah, you know, he runs out and then we just get out of the foxhole and retreat. Oh, no. I'm trying to think, who else would it be?
Starting point is 01:40:51 You know what, Urban Meyer, you'd be like, where the bitch is that? You know what? I'm not going to put Urban Meyer because Urban Meyer just gets sick of staying the whole. I need somebody's section to fight. Yes. OK. Remember the old line coach from Cleveland?
Starting point is 01:41:03 The one that was on hard knock? Bob Wiley. Yes, Bob Wiley. OK. I need cover. I need cover. I like that. Human warmth.
Starting point is 01:41:10 He's also a magician and a pilot. So that's really, he's like a Swiss Army knife of an individual. Yeah. Yes, yes. But back to the original point, Bassachi would be in there because he's a tough SOB. I got to know him a long time.
Starting point is 01:41:24 I know his son. He's a football guy through and through. The reason, I think people don't realize this, but the reason why him and John were so close is because he wasn't afraid to tell John, you're wrong. You're wrong. That's not right. You're wrong.
Starting point is 01:41:37 And oftentimes when you have guys who are assistants, they just tell the head coach what they want to hear. And I think the respect factor that we all have for Rich is that he wasn't afraid to tell John when he was wrong. And John must have respected it because he was in Tampa with him and he also was in Las Vegas with him. Rich should have been the IT guy then. Yeah, he should.
Starting point is 01:41:54 He could have used him then. He needed to read proofread all the emails. Well, listen, I think a lot of IT guys around America right now are getting a work in the next 24 hours scrubbing all kinds of servers and all kinds of stuff right now. Yeah, if you're an IT guy, now is the time to solicit bribes from people. All right, Booger, thank you so much.
Starting point is 01:42:15 We appreciate it. Always enjoy our time with you. You're the best. Anytime, man. Y'all have a good one. Take it easy, buddy. See you, Booger. Thanks, Booger.
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Starting point is 01:44:06 So let's pick it up for our Wednesday segments. So instead, we're gonna do a Wednesday reading on a Wednesday because we had a super fan fight. Now, Billy is the expert on this because he wrote a blog about it. So I'll have Billy chime in, but let's hop into it. Should we hop into it?
Starting point is 01:44:24 This is an awesome story. All right, so the article is ChiefsFan's X Factor, Red Xtreme respond to fight inside Arrowhead caught on video. Okay, so there's one Chiefs Superfan that I think most people have seen. Right. He's the guy that wears, I think it's a cheesehead that's dyed red.
Starting point is 01:44:42 And it says X Factor on it named after Dante Hall. Yup. But he is electric. That should be the name of the Cordero Patterson Award. Yes. The X Factor. Yes. And we should give it in every,
Starting point is 01:44:53 we should give it in every sport. Yes. Yes, the X Factor. And yeah, politics, news. You can give bounty hunting. I'd actually give it to the Iowa punter. He's the X Factor of the year. Yes.
Starting point is 01:45:05 All right, here we go. Kansas City, Missouri for the second home game in a row fighting in the stands of what's GEHA Field? I'm gonna say Arrowhead Stadium. Arrowhead Stadium. It's GEHA Field at Arrowhead Stadium is all over social media, this time with an odd twist. Two weeks ago, it was fans brawling at the Kansas City,
Starting point is 01:45:25 Chiefs took on the Los Angeles Chargers. This weekend, it was Superfans squaring up early in the game against the Buffalo Bills. If you spent any time around the stadium on game day, you've likely heard at least one of the men involved. The man who calls himself the X Factor has been around for decades. In a Twitter video, he's seen getting knocked out
Starting point is 01:45:45 by another Superfan that the people in section 129 know as Red Xtreme. Now, I have a question just to start off. Are both these guys 129 guys? Cause that's a big issue. It looks like it. I actually don't think that there should be more than one Superfan at any given time
Starting point is 01:46:03 for any given team. Correct. There is a Superfan. There aren't two different Superfans. There can be other Superfans, but they have to know the hierarchy. There has to be a king. I wouldn't even call them Superfans.
Starting point is 01:46:14 I'd call them like, I don't know, like Turbofans. Superfan implies that you're number one. Turbofans is kind of cool. Turbofan is cool. That's actually, I'd rather be a Turbofan than a Superfan. Turbofan is the king of the Superfans. Yeah, fuck. But the point remains that there needs
Starting point is 01:46:30 to be an established protocol. A who's who, yeah. It sounds to me like the other guy, Red Xtreme, that would be Mr. Red Xtreme. Mr. Red Xtreme. He doesn't sound like he's a Superfan to me because they even said he's the king of that section. But I knew who X Factor was going into this weekend.
Starting point is 01:46:49 Yes, yeah, you're right. So they kicked me out of Arrowhead. First time ever X Factor has been kicked out. Notice here X Factor is actually speaking in the first person here. So I love that. Third person. Third person.
Starting point is 01:47:02 That is a true Superfan thing to do. So he says they kicked me out of Arrowhead. First time ever X Factor has been kicked out. Ty X Factor Routon said during an interview Monday, this is reminiscent of when Superfan in Detroit Don got kicked out for standing and cheering on defense. You can't have that. The video of the X Factor.
Starting point is 01:47:21 I cannot just say, I don't like the fact that they're dead naming him in this article. Don't break that wall for me. They should continually refer to him as X Factor. I don't want to know his name. It's irrelevant. The video of the X Factor. Is it the X Factor or X Factor?
Starting point is 01:47:36 I always just thought it was X Factor. Because now they're using it as the X Factor. Like it's a proper. The video of the X Factor falling after an apparent punch has nearly a million views on Twitter, the X Factor explained what happened from his perspective and who was involved. He's my old apprentice.
Starting point is 01:47:55 I actually made him famous. God damn it, this is so good. He's my old apprentice. He's the one who showed him the ropes of being a Superfan. It's a tragic story. It's Rocky V. Yeah, exactly.
Starting point is 01:48:07 Come on. All right, he's my old apprentice. I actually made him famous. You know, gave him the name Red Extreme. I really had to dig deep for that one. All right, so I'm already the X Factor. X, X, X, Q, Red Extreme. That sounds good.
Starting point is 01:48:25 Yeah, Red Extreme, okay. All agreement, yeah. I saw him come run up the stairs at me and he had that look, I'm gonna kill you. So I tried to grab his jersey to stop him and talk to him, but like the movie Friday, he deboned me. One punch and I saw stars.
Starting point is 01:48:44 Then they took me to triage at Arrowhead. Check me out. I felt all right at the time, but then I didn't know I had broke my ribs. There should not be triage for these kinds of fights. Let's not act like you're on a nurse's office. Act of battlefield. How many ribs does it sound like?
Starting point is 01:49:02 Well, there's a plot twist in here. I don't know if it gets in this story, but Billy, that's why we have Billy, but I'm gonna say five ribs. Five ribs, feels like. This doesn't feel like you should be going to a hospital. There should be a special, a zoo set up. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:49:15 And they should have an actual vet. A vet should look at these guys. Red Extreme posted a 17 minute video message to his Facebook page following the incident. He blamed the X Factor for this. A cup of water was thrown and hit my wife in the back and splashed onto me. I've never in my life felt so bad about feeling so good
Starting point is 01:49:34 because knocking that low life son of a bitch out was the greatest feeling I've had in a long time. Holy shit, what a line. I gotta read that again. So this is Red Extreme who knocked out X Factor. I have never in my life felt so bad about feeling so good because knocking that low life son of a bitch out was the greatest feeling I've had in a long time.
Starting point is 01:49:55 The Chiefs won the Super Bowl. Yeah. A year and a half. Big Cat, I mean, we have to get these guys for rough and rowdy, right? Yes. I gotta just wanna talk to him. No, we need to have them finish what they started
Starting point is 01:50:06 in the ring. I think that judging based off what I know so far from X Factor and Red Extreme, they won't have a problem putting on the gloves. Yeah, no, definitely not. Especially for some coin. My problem is it happened inside the stadium and I never imagined in my life I would behave
Starting point is 01:50:25 in that manner in the stadium. Really? Red Extreme? Really? It sounds like he's not that extreme though. You're a super fan named Red Extreme. You never thought that a possible fight would happen. And I saw the video.
Starting point is 01:50:36 The video starts at the moment of impact. So we don't get to see anything that led up to a fight. But Red Extreme certainly, he walks away like a man that has been involved in a couple stadium fights before. Right, right. This is not old hat for him. He also cues the X Factor being inebriated during the incident.
Starting point is 01:50:54 This is Red Extreme. He says that I'm a meth addict, which I'm a cocaine addict and alcoholic, been clean for four years. So he did clear that up. He's not a meth addict. He's a cocaine and alcohol. That's X Factor.
Starting point is 01:51:06 That's X Factor. So I like the phrasing here because it said that Red Extreme also accused the X Factor of being inebriated. Then X Factor went over the top and just so everybody knows he said I was a meth addict. Right, but no. But I'm not. I'm actually addicted to cocaine and booze.
Starting point is 01:51:24 So in my head, I went, he was drunk. Oh no, wait, meth, what? No, coke. Yeah, but none of it. No, but none of it. He's been sober for four years. But if he's basically saying, if I weren't sober, I would have been coked up.
Starting point is 01:51:40 Yeah, my drug of choice is coke and booze, not meth. Get it right. Get it fucking right. That is slander. Yes, it is. You can't say that. He's like, I've never done meth. I just fucking blow lines and drink a shit load.
Starting point is 01:51:52 But I haven't done it in a while. He's like, I party. I don't do hard drugs like meth. Right, right. All right. Throughout the day, Fox four tried repeatedly to connect directly with red extreme, but we were turned down.
Starting point is 01:52:03 However, after this story aired, in an interview by phone, red extreme stressed that anything X Factor says should be taken with a big dose of skepticism. He also said he stepped away from the chief superfan community because of distrust and distaste for the X Factor's behavior. This is, this goes deep.
Starting point is 01:52:20 Like this is, the whole community has been rocked. I need to, well no, the community was rocked before this fight happened. It's the whole, this beef, that obviously it came to a head on Sunday night has broken this community apart. It's long standing. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:52:33 And again, the chiefs won a Super Bowl. So he stepped away. It should be the best time. I need to know who else is in the chiefs superfan community. How many other superfans do they have? Because I'm starting to see a systemic issue with the chiefs in that there's no clear leader.
Starting point is 01:52:48 This is, there's too many chiefs, not enough I word. Yes. And we need to know who's at the top of this one. Yes. Of course, anytime you have just lawlessness, Lord of the Flies type stuff, you're going to have fights in your community. Yes.
Starting point is 01:53:03 Uh oh. Oh. Breaking news. Breaking news. Oh no, no. This is great breaking news. To be the best breaking news you could have. Field Yates just reported,
Starting point is 01:53:12 following Russell Wilson's injury, the Seahawks are working out. The boat. Play boarded. Yes. Yes, yes. Oh my God. I love it.
Starting point is 01:53:22 Also shout out Field Yates, because this could even just not be true, but he knows that we'll all retweet it. I'm in the process of doing it right now. Like hey, that was gonna work. Dirty move. I love it. That was a dirty move by Field.
Starting point is 01:53:36 He knows what he's doing. Take the boat out on the Puget Sound, baby. That's, yeah. Our working, okay yeah, he knows what he did there. Okay. I love it. Am I crazy to think that you don't bring Blake Bortles in for a workout?
Starting point is 01:53:47 No. Hasn't he proven himself? You bring him in to change the whole culture. You bring him in with a contract already signed. Yes, exactly. He's kind of insulting that peak. Parking spot there. You know what you're getting with Blake Bortles.
Starting point is 01:53:57 Yeah, it's a formality. Yes. If they sign him Sunday night, him against Big Ben. Oh, love it. Yes. Oh, dude. Yes. They never know.
Starting point is 01:54:05 No, it's Blake because Blake always kicks Big Ben's ass. That's true. He's, he murdered the entire franchise. Yes. He's a stealer killer. Okay, great breaking moves. All right, let's get back to Red Xtreme and the chief Superfan community.
Starting point is 01:54:18 So Red Xtreme has left the Superfan community because of X Factor's behavior. We pick up here. Meanwhile, Rotten, who is X Factor. Meanwhile, X Factor said he's had a wild week, including flipping his car, but was clear about whether he'd retire after this incident. So, hold on.
Starting point is 01:54:38 Can I ask a quick question just to throw this out there? He got broken ribs from getting knocked out. Yes. Not by the car. No, he was fine. Flipping a car. The car flipped. But it was a punch.
Starting point is 01:54:50 Punch that broke all of his ribs. This, this is a clear, they're gonna use this. Billy, go ahead. So apparently. He's done some investigation. Apparently everyone in Kansas City hates X Factor. Okay. And they think he's allegedly a,
Starting point is 01:55:04 This rules. Allegedly like a child molester. Oh, whoa, whoa. Okay. Allegedly. Allegedly. X Factor, now wait. Is X Factor a child molester?
Starting point is 01:55:17 Or is, no, he's never done meth. Coke and booze. But they think he was boozed up when he rolled his car. Actually saying, you know what? But if he was coked up too, then maybe. Allegedly. Got it. The more I, the more I hear it,
Starting point is 01:55:32 the more telling a reporter, I'm not a method. I'm a coke guy and an alcoholic. That's actually very meth-like behavior. Yeah. To volatility that you don't do meth. I like to believe people in life. Now is X Factor, is he alleged to be a child molester? Or is it just.
Starting point is 01:55:49 Ty Routon, who, the man behind the costume. Just Google, Google Ty Routon. Okay. All right, so anyway, he was clear about whether he'd retire after the incident X Factor was saying, no, this is making me stronger. You know, Jesus was persecuted. I'll come back stronger.
Starting point is 01:56:05 I, it doesn't seem like a great guy, but I love him. I actually do love him. All right, at this moment, authorities are not involved in the situation. Neither of the men involved have expressed interest in pressing charges of any kind. Two weeks ago, Jackson County prosecutors filed a variety of blah, blah, blah, blah.
Starting point is 01:56:21 All right. The X Factor is planning on attending next weekend's Kansas City Chiefs game in Washington, DC. Now, Billy, we need some background too, because Billy also uncovered that these guys have known each other for a very long time. Very long time. There's a picture of, so basically the chiefs have
Starting point is 01:56:38 a bunch of super fans that were in a community and these two are just two of many others that are involved. So it turns out X Factor's, the mother of X Factor's wife. I mean, the mother of X Factor's children might have slept with the red extreme 18 years ago. Whoa. Okay. Which caused the schism.
Starting point is 01:57:03 And what does the mother say? The mother says, I gotta pull it up. Okay. Wow. So here's the tweet from Ty X Factor Routen. The man who knocked me out, aka, it's very, very weird how he phrased it. Red extreme is right in front of me in this photo.
Starting point is 01:57:22 The feud started 18 years ago when he slept with mother of my child behind my back. He broke my hand, ankle, jaw, teeth, and fore ribs and punching me at Arrowhead. And then there's a picture of them in happier times. Jaw, teeth, fore ribs. Guy was in a car crash a few days ago. Not on meth.
Starting point is 01:57:41 Got it. I got all checks out. No, I also shout out me as a doctor. I said five ribs. He said four. They're going to teach. They're going to use this as an example in law school, like five years from now,
Starting point is 01:57:52 about how people should probably not talk to the press when they have pending litigating matters. Yeah. So obviously, like he could sue the guy for money for broken ribs, maybe even sue the stadium. But the fact that he just couldn't help himself, he's like, you know what? The news wants to talk to X Factor.
Starting point is 01:58:07 I'm going to talk to him. By the way, I flipped my car yesterday. Yeah. Oh yeah. So this X Factor is very, active on Facebook. Can we try to book X Factor, please? He goes extreme. Maybe, maybe sneak attack
Starting point is 01:58:20 where we get them both on the same time. Now, well, don't tell him now. Oh, I mean, I don't think they're listeners. I just followed him on Twitter. This is a fucking awesome bio that he has. I am CEO of KC Superfans, pro football hall of fame chiefs, Superfan. World record holder for watching
Starting point is 01:58:38 70 straight hours of football. Oh, this guy, we got to interview him. Got to have him on the show. Got to talk to him about that. So unless he's a child molester. Yeah. Well, we'll say that at the start. Like, Hey, dude, are you a child molester? And if he says yes, then we'll stop the interview.
Starting point is 01:58:51 That's how we should start every interview from now on. So he says, this is about his accent. I love the song, Jesus take the wheel. Who knows how long that was yesterday. Tire marks in ditch was a mile long. I fell asleep behind the wheel going 85 miles per hour on interstate. Thank God, the Sorento didn't have cruise control.
Starting point is 01:59:12 As God took my foot off pedal at some time, I went down a huge ravine, plowed through fence and struck a tree right before a pond. Tree flipped my vehicle and I woke up. Who knows how long after hanging upside down in my vehicle due to seatbelt. My two passengers were ejected and one was stuck in between windshield and dash.
Starting point is 01:59:28 Thank goodness they are small guinea pigs. They had no injuries. What? Yup. I forgot this part. I forgot this part. Strobbing around with guinea pigs? I forgot this part.
Starting point is 01:59:40 And the guinea pigs were fine. So X-Factor raises guinea pigs. Okay. Okay. They had no injuries. I have a broken left hand concussion, bruised ribs, head back, that's all over. And he hit it almost?
Starting point is 01:59:54 Yeah. And then he's claiming that the punch. No, that was a totally separate set of injuries. Oh, that's incredible. And then. Yeah, what was the wife said? The wife said, and we don't know if this is the wife, really, but I think it is because of the reactions from him.
Starting point is 02:00:11 You lie so much, you can't even keep track. 18 years ago, I was just pregnant with my oldest and didn't even know you. He and I never screwed around. Take your beating that you started and fucking stopped playing victim like a bitch. That's the ex-wife of X-Factor. Yes.
Starting point is 02:00:26 That's incredible. I don't know if they were married, but I think their mother-in-law. This story is the best. I kind of want to go down to DC and interview X-Factor. Oh my God, we need to get him on the show. We have to get him on the show. If anybody out there knows how to get in touch
Starting point is 02:00:39 with X-Factor, it seems like it might be. He's a big fan of publicity. He'll find us. We gotta get him on the show. Let's get him what we need to share. A Friday show. This is incredible. X-Factor.
Starting point is 02:00:50 What, if he's not. Good job. Let me check that right now. If he's a diddler? You're going to check, is X-Factor a child molester? What would you say his name was? All right, well, let's wrap up the show. I want to say for legal purposes,
Starting point is 02:01:06 all accusations of him being a child molester were done only by Billy. Allegedly. And Red Extreme. And Red Extreme. And Red Extreme. Yes, I have nothing to do with that. All right, should we do numbers in the show?
Starting point is 02:01:18 I'm so excited about Blake Bortles. 96. What a, what a. 18. 69. 97. 6. Guinea pigs get their name because they cost a Guinea
Starting point is 02:01:28 at ports in South America. Can you turn it on? We have five numbers out of play. 80, 50. 8. 44, 89, and 16. Oh, wait. 47.
Starting point is 02:01:48 Wow, it goes from six times to seven times. Now has a two ball lead. Whoa, 47 is dominant. Wow, there were three numbers of five. 47 at six, now 47 at seven. I would like to weigh 47 and see if there's a difference in weight between that ball and the others. What a piece.
Starting point is 02:02:06 47's world, we're just living in it. Yeah. Crazy. 47. What's the number of hitchhikers guys in the galaxy? I don't know. Do you have an animal fact? Yeah, I did.
Starting point is 02:02:20 Guinea pigs are called guineas because. Guinea pigs, they cost a Guinea at the ports. Love you guys. Oh, it's 42. I'm talking away, I don't know what I'm to say, I'm saying anyway. Today's another day to find you, shy and away.
Starting point is 02:02:46 I'll be coming for your love, okay? Shy and away. I'll be coming for your love, okay? Take on me. Take me on. I'll be coming for your love, okay? Needless to say, I'm odd-sinnish, but I'm easter, a little way.
Starting point is 02:03:29 Slowly learning that life is okay, say up to me. It's no better to be safe than sorry. Say up to me. It's no better to be safe than sorry. Take on me. Take me on. I'll be gone in a day or two.

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