Pardon My Take - Carson Palmer In Studio, NFL Draft, Celtics/Sixers Is A Go + Giannis And The Bucks Bounced

Episode Date: April 28, 2023

The NFL Draft is here and we break down the entire first round plus Will Levis falling (we have a spinzone for our friend). Eagles/Bears trade and the Texans got aggressive (00:00:00-00:29:29). Celtics/Sixers is officially on and it will be a civil war in the PMT studio for the next 2 weeks (00:29:29-00:39:43). The Bucks lose to the Heat and Giannis starts a failure debate (00:39:43-00:56:40). Other NBA and NHL Playoffs (00:56:40-01:09:57). Carson Palmer joins us in studio to talk draft night, his career, who he likes from this QB class and more (01:09:57-01:56:47). We finish with fyre fest of the week and the lottery ball (01:56:47-02:19:02).You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/PardonMyTake

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Great interview. We're gonna talk about the NFL Draft. We got a couple picks left as we're taping this. What happened in the first round? Winners, losers, draft grades, everything. We have Celtics Sixers. Finally set. Giannis and the definition of failure.

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and then we'll take it higher. Welcome to part of my take. Today is Friday, April 28th, and we have the NFL Draft first round. I think we say this every year, PFT, but it needs to be said again. I miss the days when it was just all on Saturday. Dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun.

Yeah, I do too, I do too, when you could just sit down and binge the entire thing. And it was just, it was truly like an event for freaks and weirdos, because it was like, hey honey, I gotta go watch an entire NFL Draft all day long, like wait, I thought it wasn't football season. No, no, no, we're gonna watch a bunch of 19 year olds

get selected for seven hours, and we're gonna get drunk doing it. Yeah, and then we're gonna scream at it when you don't pick the right 19 year old. Now, I've noticed that the draft day takes have started to reheat. I feel like draft day, the movie, has become more popular.

It's called classic. The father that we've gotten from draft day. And I always say that draft day would be maybe one of the worst movies of all time if it didn't have the rights to the exact NFL logos and team names. If they had to make up like a fake NFL league, that movie would suck.

Turns out that it rocks, because it's like, oh, I recognize the Browns logo. Oh, I recognize the Jaguars logo. They also were very early to the drone shot. If you do a drone shot of a stadium, I'm in. I will watch just, I will watch just, like they should actually, you know what? All right, genius idea for any network producer out there.

Do drone shots. So like Planet Earth, just do drone shots of stadiums. I like that. Like literally just an entire documentary of drone shots of like, you're telling me you wouldn't tune in to a show where it's a drone shot of every college stadium in America. I have David Attenborough narrated.

Oh my God. This is where P.F.T. Cometo stuck his penis in Las Vegas. Yeah, it would be incredible. It would be incredible. All right, so we got distracted there for a second. I do think though that I like draft day now, the movie, but it is like, it's like National Treasure. Right.

It's like if National Treasure was written in a Buffalo Wild Wings. Yes, yes, it's fun to like. Yes. All right, so draft. So we have right now two more picks, three more picks. The big story, unfortunately, is Will Levis has not been selected yet.

Hopefully he gets selected. He is a AWL. He's been on this show. We're rooting for Will. I have. So people, I think most of America right now is feeling bad for him, which it sucks because he's in the green room.

He's going to get selected. I actually think it's in a weird way. Like you can't be a bust if you go, if you don't go in the top 10. So now people won't judge him the same. Now he has time to flourish to be a multi-superbowl winner. You know what? He'll probably go to a place that has a quarterback in place

already, and then he'll get to learn. He'll get to sit behind an established starter, and then he'll get to become, he'll get to blossom and metamorphosize to a beautiful butterfly on his own time. Yes. I'm sure we find out they are already doing damage control because we've seen tweets from Chris Mortensen saying

that there were some toe concerns. So once that toe is healed, then this guy is the limit for Will Levis. But listen, we are nothing but incredibly biased in all of our analysis. And we like Will Levis because he's a friend of the program. And so we will be rooting for him and hoping that everything works out.

But I do have a spin zone. Go. Will Levis was sitting in the green room. He's been sitting in the green room for a very long time. I did shoot him one text of encouragement because it's kind of an awkward spot. Because you're going to be like, hang in there, bud. Did you tell him, like, watch your lips

because people are trying to read what you're saying? No, I just said, hey, just throw on the video of me getting the lottery ball and Hank being salty as fuck. And he responded, shit had me crying. What a loser. So he's fine. He's fine. That's good, Hank.

He's fine. He had a laugh there. Spread the love out. Will Levis was sitting in the green room laughing about you not getting the lottery ball. We brought a smile to his face. Is that not good? Yeah, no, it's great.

OK, so I feel like that's, yeah. That was a good move. Good job, Hank. Yeah, good job, Hank. Way to support our friends. You saved the guy's happiness today. Good job, Hank. Yeah.

You're part of the 2023 NFL Draft. You can't write the story of the 2023 NFL Draft without Hank Lockwood. So there was a Reddit rumor. And I love this. I love the fact that the rumor out there was that he's going to vote for the person who ran on his. I don't want to pile on because he's

had a bad enough night. Yeah, I'm happy. Yeah, why not? You look happy. Yeah, you look happy. OK, keep going. It doesn't matter. Yeah, yeah.

It was a stupid Reddit rumor about him going first overall. Oh, yeah. And that's what kind of calibrated people's opinions going into this draft, expecting him to go like top five because there's a rumor he'd go one. There's a rumor he'd go two. There's a rumor he'd go three and four overall. And I guess it just shows us, like,

don't pay attention to Reddit rumors unless it's Billy telling you about the Reddit rumor, in which case the sources are ironclad. Well, I feel like the NFL draft is the last frontier when it comes to people being able to try to manipulate how they're betting by being like, let's just start a rumor this guy's going to go number. No one really had, especially in this draft,

it felt like it was going to be chaotic. And it was kind of chaotic. So we went Bryce Young one. Everyone expected that. And then we went CJ Stroud two, which we were talking with Jeremiah and Mick Shea and being like, it'd be crazy if the Texans didn't take a quarterback. They did the right thing.

And then the chaos started because the Texans pulled the all-time power move, traded up to three with the Cardinals and took Will Anderson. So they got CJ Stroud and Will Anderson. And it's actually smart what they did, because if they had done that in reverse and taken Will Anderson, then the price for the number three pick would have been a lot higher

if CJ Stroud's still on the board. So the shocker, the Texans front office, did something extremely competent tonight. And another shocker, the Cardinals front office did something extremely competent because the Cardinals, it seemed like they were going to take Paris Johnson at three. They were able to trade out a three to six, get a future first rounder, and still get Paris Johnson.

Like, think about this. The Cardinals and the Texans might have just won the first round draft. I think in my draft grade, I'm going to give the Texans an A plus because they picked second and third. And they got good players. They got probably the best defensive player in the draft. And a lot of people would say CJ Stroud best quarterback

in this draft if you just go off based on how he played and how he passed from the pocket. I think you're going to say how he played and how he passed against Georgia. Because that CJ Stroud is, if you're a CJ Stroud guy, you can just be like, last game, best game, that's all that matters. I actually go based off the first half of the first game

I ever watched him play, which was against Minnesota. And I was like, this guy stinks. And then he probably ripped it up in the second. Then he ripped it up in the second. So that's my impression of CJ Stroud. And then we had Devon. So Anthony Richardson goes to the Colts, feels like the Colts are like, hey,

we're done playing this old quarterback game, brulette. Let's get off the carousel. Let's get a young guy who's got all the traits, all the upside. Who knows? I mean, I like the pick because I do think, I like to pick more because it's the Colts. And if you're the Colts front office or you're a Colts fan,

you're like, just please don't do the same thing you've been doing every year. Phil Rivers, Matt Ryan, Carson Wentz. They have something completely fresh, completely new, totally different. That's fun. And everything that he does is going to be a highlight or a low light.

It's going to be, there's going to be a clip of everything Anthony Richardson does because he's like, he's a player when he plays well. It's like, holy shit, he's the only person in the league that can do that. When he plays poorly, he looks like a drunk James. James, yeah. Yeah.

So he's going to be just a content machine. And listen, this is something that not every franchise gets the benefit. I'm going to use it as a positive, the benefit of experiencing. But drafting a quarterback in the first round really does give you a new pep in your step lease on life where you're like, we have at least a year

to just only look at the positive and ignore all the negative. The entire off season after you draft a quarterback is maybe the best off season of all because you can convince yourself of anything in that time period. But even the first year, let's say he plays half the games. Yeah.

Even if he sucks for half of those games, you can still be like, well, you saw how good he was in that one game. Yeah. And he does seem more dynamic than any quarterback that they've had in a very long time. Obviously, Andrew Luck was pretty good and he could run the ball pretty well when he played.

But Anthony Richardson is like, he is Cam Newton 2.0. It's going to be weird seeing a guy like that in a Colts uniform. Yes. It's going to be very jarring. Yeah. So Tyree Wilson to the Raiders. I bust all big 12 defensive players.

I loved his suit, though. Yes. His suit was awesome. He looked like a cowboy pimp. Kid Rock was just nodding somewhere. He looked awesome tonight. So I tend to agree with you just less on big 12 players, but more Texas Tech player.

If you're a defensive player, I would not touch you in the first round. My brain is still stuck in the past. Yes. Bijon Robinson to the Falcons, which will be very fun. Yeah. They're just going to run the ball. He's going to be the Larry Johnson.

They're just going to feed him the ball. Remember, they still have Algier, who's what is rookie. Was that his rookie year last year? Yeah. Yeah. Second year. They have Drake London. Yeah.

They've got Cal Pitts. They just have beasts everywhere. Taylor Heineke's got some weapons. I am. Now that we're listing all these, I'm going to start believing in the Falcons again. Good. Because they have dudes.

Good for you. Yeah. Bijon Robinson is Texas back. This is, I think, their second top 10 pick in like, I don't know, probably the last 10 years out of Texas. Speaking of which, let's just trigger with the fact that Bryce Young was the first Alabama player ever to go first overall.

That's not true. That's a fake stat. It was it was shown on ESPN, modern NFL. I looked it up. I don't know, maybe like in the 40s or something. It's insane. I think Namath went three. He went 12 in the NFL draft.

He went first overall in the AFL draft. OK. But that wasn't the NFL draft. How insane is that? That is that is extremely nuts. When you think of all the talent that they've had. But what schools have the most first overall picks? They haven't been like an insanely great offense

until recently. Yeah. But even no, but that was any point. Yeah. Yeah. Defensive as well. That's nuts. That blew my mind.

What teams have what colleges have the most first overall picks? Yes. There's five tied at one overall. Yeah, one. No, sorry. There's four. Ohio State. No.

Oklahoma. Yes. Four of them. There's one. Is A&M? No. It is Oklahoma, Georgia, Notre Dame, USC. Oh, yeah.

USC makes sense. USC always kind of makes sense when you think about it. Yeah. But yeah, that blew my mind. I saw that. It is crazy to think that. Seahawks got a great corner in early in the first round. Yeah, Devon Witherspoon is going on.

Witherspoon is a beast. So you texted Will Levis. I texted my good friend, DK Metcalf. He was supposed to be on the show. And I told him that they took Will Levis with their first round pick. He was not pumped. And then he told me that he wanted Witherspoon instead.

And so DK got his wish. Nice. He got his corner. I feel like to see how I'm going to give them an A, too. Yeah. Seahawks get an A right off the bat. Well, yeah, because the Seahawks took Devon Witherspoon. And then also they got Jackson Smith and Jigba, who people had

as the number one wide receiver. At 20, they got them. That's kind of how I think about the draft. When I think about teams that had multiple first round picks, I'm like, well, they won the first round. Yeah, exactly. If you have more than one first round pick. And then we had the Bears and Eagles trading.

So the Bears fleece the Eagles. Didn't want Jalen Carter. What? Wrong. They did not fleece the Eagles. They didn't want Jalen Carter at nine. They got a free pick. It doesn't matter which round next year from the Eagles.

Is it third round? It doesn't matter what round. Second round. It doesn't matter what round. First round. I don't know how many times I had to say it doesn't matter what round. And the Eagles took Jalen Carter, who a lot of people had, is the best player in the draft.

I actually, OK, Max was being mean to me. I am now, unfortunately, have to root against Jalen Carter, because that's just forever tied. Because Jalen Carter could end up being one of the best defensive tackles in the NFL. And here's what I'm going to say is I actually think that it was genius for the Eagles to take him and the Bears to not take him, because everything

we've heard about him, he needs veteran leadership around him. The Bears do not have that. The Bears have a very young locker room, not a lot of great defensive players. The Eagles have the opposite. They have a lot of great defensive players, a lot of older Fletcher Cox, like a lot of guys that will help him. So I actually, oh, dude, perfects doing the Eagles pick.

Give me a fucking break. God damn it. We just took Smith, too. So we're just taking every George one. We're just the Georgia. I love how he's doing. Like, I hate it. I hate it as a Commander's fan.

I can't stand it, because it makes too much sense. Just take everybody from the best defense in the history of college football and put them on your team in the NFL. Yes. So, Max, how are you feeling? I mean, I feel great. I don't think.

I mean, a lot of people wanted Nolan Smith a 10, if we didn't get Carter there. So it's very, it's basically exactly what happened last year when we took, when Jordan Davis fell, we took him, and then Nicoby Dean fell, and then we took him. OK, so you have all Georgia. So it's just all Georgia. Our entire defense will be Georgia.

It's smart. It's a smart move. Now, that's not all of Dude Perfect. I noticed the Purple Hoser's not there. Nope. And Tall Guy's not there. Tall Guy's not there. Our two favorites.

Those are, you have the worst elements of Dude Perfect out there. Yeah. All right, so Max, you feel confident? You feel good? Yeah. I mean, it's, I'm a big believer of draft day means nothing. And it's fun to get excited and watch highlights.

Draft day is about watching highlights. That's the only thing that matters is getting a guy who has fun highlights that you can go to bed tonight, watching them, and like, get you excited for the future. That is, that is one of the best parts. Yeah, that's one of the best parts. But also, if you just played in the Super Bowl, then you're probably like, whatever,

we got a good team anyways. Yeah, this was a bonus. And then when you, if you want to talk about a, a draft grade, the Eagles got an a draft grade tonight. Are you a little nervous that you took more defensive players? Are you a little nervous that, like, what if the turf isn't great and they slip, and then you cry about it for, like, a month, how it was not fair?

You cried about that. No, I didn't. You cried about that. I never said anything about that. No, you cried about that. I did not cry about that. You cried about that. You cried about that.

You cried. No, you cried about that. You cried. I, I cried. Oh, the lines. I do think, I think that the Eagles have a really good draft. And I really do believe, like, what I said is that Jalen Carter on the Eagles makes a ton of sense.

I don't know. He's probably going to be a really good player. I don't know if he would have made a ton of sense on the Bears given everything else. I'm going to feel safe for driving around Chicago. Yes. So you didn't take him. Yes.

And Darnell Wright is who the Bears took, who is, was my number one offensive lineman on my big board. Yep. He's going to be a beast. Here's a feather in your cap. Michael Parsons, ever heard of him? Yeah. Great player.

Yeah. Plays on the defensive line sometimes at Edge, other times at Linebacker, encounters a lot of offensive linemen in his line of work. He had this to say about Darnell, right? He's a first round talent. Yeah. You got a first round talent in the first round.

That's value, baby. That's good slot. That's great value. That's good slot. Yep. Yep. Michael Parsons approved. No, I mean, drafting O-line is always so funny

because no one knows how they're going to pan out. But you're like, we needed that. And that's good that we needed that. You just want to take a big dude who can do the splits. What was our friend Tom Fornelli, I said, tell me everything because he's one of those draft nerds. And I think his exact quote was, when he gets his hands on you, it's over.

OK. I like that. Yeah, that's smart. That's what they said about BTK, too. If he gets his hands on you, you're done. That's good. Love it. Love it.

Yeah. Yeah. And then we got to. Well, let's talk about the Lions. Yeah, the Lions basically. Because they just kept trading back. And they did some weird shit. They're playing 1980s football.

They took a running back after getting DeAndre Swift and David Monk. I have DeAndre Swift signed David Montgomery. They drafted a running back at 12. And then an inside linebacker at what, 18, 16? Yes. The weird thing was, why not if they're going to draft a running back and they traded back

and they took, they ended up taking Gibbs, why wouldn't they have just taken B. John Robinson with their initial pick? I think, if I had to take a guess, they were going to take Devin Witherspoon. Yeah. And that, because that, the thing that I just don't understand about the Lions, they needed defense.

They had a good offense last year. They needed a lot of defense. And then they took a running back with 12. I don't know. The Lions can get, they have a lot of talent right now. But it felt like running back and linebacker in the first round feels like the missing pieces to a Super Bowl team. Maybe the Lions are.

I don't know. All right. It feels like the pieces of a Super Bowl team when Dan Campbell was playing football. Right, right. Exactly. Now, I was doubting the picks too, but then I saw Dan Campbell's reaction in the war room

and he basically started to wrestle everybody in the war room. He was so pumped up. So I'm like, whatever. I'll just, I trust in Dan. Jack Campbell's a great linebacker name. Someone pointed out on Twitter and he went to Iowa. So it will probably work out.

Academic Heisman. Yeah. Also, goalie of the Oilers. Oh, really? Yeah. One of their goal is Jack. Jack Campbell, how about that? Yeah, so the Lions have five of the first 55 picks

in this draft. Jesus. Which is, that's good, as long as you don't screw it up. It might be like giving Joe Biden more bicycles. Yeah, yeah. So let's see. What else? Oh, Billy, what do you want to talk about?

Will McDonald, the fourth? Love it. We needed someone in the box, a linebacker, D-Line, or an offensive lineman. And we got one. Yeah. And he can jump really high. And this video's him jumping over.

That's huge. Cars dunking, doing backflips off walls. He can jump over a whole offensive line. Some people would say that he's undersized, Billy. What do you think about that? He can jump high, so it doesn't matter. But in football, what's more important? Jumping high or being big and strong?

I mean, he's got some weight to him. It's not like he's just a little short. Yeah. And he jumps high. So he jumps high. But if he's short, he can jump high. Isn't he like 240 or something like that? That still can hit.

Yeah, he's 6'4", 240. So he's not short or, you know, he can jump high. He can jump. He can jump. He can jump. He can jump. He can jump over a car.

Yeah. I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't. What kind of car? It was a sedan. Like, if he jumps over like an offensive line, Troy Palamu and Sacks Quarterback. OK, yeah, exactly. So I'm looking for that.

What do you think about a manual Forbes? I love a manual Forbes. He's a ball hawk. He's got six interceptions, returned for a touchdown. Huge. So basically, we got a wide receiver that's going to score touchdowns for us on defense. Also, the two guys that made the pick are defensive backs.

Both of our directors of this entire draft for the commanders play defensive backs. So I trust what they're doing. That's like Ryan Poles and offensive linemen. Yeah, so they know what they're looking for, right? Now, it does worry me a little bit that the Patriots picked right after us and their pick was in the second that we announced

that we were going to take Forbes. And then they ended up taking Christian Gonzalez a little bit too quickly after we took our corner back, which makes me think, oh, shit, we really fucked us up. No worse feeling than doing like a fantasy football draft and having someone pick directly after you instantly. Being like, I can't believe you missed that. They stand up and they say yes.

Yeah, that's what Belichick did to the commanders tonight. So Christian Gonzalez was slaughtered to go like somewhere in the top 15 fell to 17. Some were saying top 10. I think it's over under was eight and a half. Hank, you feeling good? Sure, I was watching the Celtics game. Okay, we'll get to that.

I give your grade a B plus. Flashy suit. Yeah. Don't know how that's going to work. Hopefully that's just a draft day thing. Oh, and if you don't trust me, by the way, that Forbes is going to be a great cornerback. You ever heard of Jalen Ramsey?

You heard of him? He's pretty good. He said he's like that about Emmanuel Forbes. So I feel like he's being like that is right behind him. If we're doing like power rankings of him, that dude, one of one, and like that, I would put like that number two.

So that's good. That's a good endorsement. So we'll have us officially not picked in the first round. That sucks. The Chiefs didn't take him? The Chiefs did not take him. Let's look for Chiefs Aholic. Oh, okay.

He could be there. The Chiefs officially did not take him. That sucks. I would get so hammered if I were him tonight. Yeah. Just boom, hit the bar. Does he go back to the green room? I think Geno Smith did.

Again, spin zone. I actually think like you might go to a better situation. You also, people won't look at you like, Anthony Richardson and CJ Stroud, if they're not really, really good, they're a bust. If you're picking the second round, the bust potential is just not like, people don't view you the same way.

And if you end up being good, then you can call the other guys later when somebody else slides in the green room and be like, hey, it gets better. You know who was in the green room after day one, four years ago? DK Metcalf. Yeah.

Oh, there we go. Yeah. Huge. There's actually, I mean, the Notables right now on the list, Hennan Hooker, Michael Mayer, who was awesome at Notre Dame, Joey Porter Jr., Brian Branch, like there's- I'm shocked that the Steelers didn't take Joey Porter Jr.

Yeah, there's some good- Just based off vibes. It felt like they had to do that. There's some good names. Yeah. There's some good names out there. So, Will will get drafted tomorrow by someone. And yeah, that just sucks.

It sucks for him. It's a bummer for him. But you know what? If he's smart, you know what? Will, oh, bite me in big red. That's great. We will talk to Will at some point. Maybe we can figure out a way to do,

he should be doing some type of advertising commercial. Snickers. Yeah. Not going anywhere for a while. You know what? Maybe I'll have him. So like waiting, meme said, I should do a meme saying waiting for the coffee.

I'm not going to do that. But that, he has some money out there right now. Yeah, he'll be fine. Yeah. All right, so other picks. So the run on wide receivers happened around, what was it, 20? Jackson Smith and Jigba, Zay Flowers.

Look it, we should talk about it right now. Lamar Jackson is still a Raven. So that was the big news. He got, what did he get? Ended up getting 185 million. 185 million, that's a lot of money to guarantee to a running back. And I mean, the Ravens kind of,

they fleeced themselves on that one. Great job Ravens, like who, nobody in their right mind was going to trade anything, worth anything for that guy. You didn't want him at all. I didn't want him. I never wanted that guy. Like why would you, why would you want a quarterback

that has to miss half the games in the bathroom? Right. How would you make like 12 photo shops with your team's colors? No, of course not. Why would anybody ever do that? He's going to be a Raven. And it seems like the Ravens are,

have they been doing the thing where they are like overcompensating for the fact that they haven't invested in wide receivers and weapons for them in the past? Cause they got Odell and then they went out tonight and they got another wide receiver and say flowers. So it's like, yeah, you cheat on somebody and then you just bring them like gifts and chocolate

and diamonds and flowers for the next like five days after they take you back just to try to get back in their good graces. It feels like the Ravens are trying a little too hard to make them are happy with. In reality, he's a running back. He's not going to, nobody wants it. But the Ravens have some talent around them for once.

So Zay flowers. Yeah. Went and then we had the Vikings took Jordan Addison, which is scary to think the Vikings having like, if they, if he's a good receiver, another great receiver. I love the bills pick of Dalton Kincaid. Like they, what do we say over and over and over about the bill's offense?

Like not being able to get those, those little yards over the middle of the field, like not boomer bust, just getting like five yards. Dalton Kincaid is an awesome, past catching tight end. And then who was the other, there was one other wide receiver taken. There was, let's see.

Oh, Quinn Johnson from TCU. Yeah, it was, it was, it was four wide receivers in a row. So, so everyone just took wide receivers. It seems like there, there are a lot of teams out there that are just trying to outscore the chiefs. They've, they've given up, the league has given up on trying to defend Patrick Mahomes with the exception of the Raiders

who, who took their defensive end. But in terms of like the chargers, bills, they're just like, you know what? We're not going to be able to limit Patrick Mahomes to under 30 points. Let's just try to score 38 and hope that's enough. Yeah, yeah, you're absolutely right. Yeah, just outscore them.

It's not simple. Just more points. Score more points. There was a couple of other things. Oh yeah, the Packers, they, I think we're all hoping that they would take a wide receiver. That would have been fun.

Would have been awesome. They took Lucas Van Ness and he had all of his sisters around him, congratulating him. I think there were like four girls on the couch. His dad, was it his dad that was patting one of them on the butt? It was that.

And then his little brother or friend jumped on him. Got pulled off. And they got pulled off. It's like chicks only on this couch, bro. Come on, man. He's in the NFL now. You know the rules. Yeah.

He compares favorably to Aiden Hutchinson, I would say. Yes. In the family department. Yes, I would agree. I would agree. Yeah, that's any other big ones from the draft. I mean, there wasn't anything that I was like shock, shock with.

Like I said, I think the Texans being aggressive was pretty cool to see. Yeah. And the Lions are doing a throwback team. When was the last time a team took two picks in the first five? Because I know one. I know one time that happened.

It was a long time ago. Like 23 years, I think. Jake, can you look it up? Yep. Two picks in the first five. I think there was another one recently. Fuck. Because the one I know was the Redskins

when they took LaVar Earrington and Chris Samuels. They, there was one very recently. But just seems like they're on the right track. It would have been insane if they had not taken quarterback. I'm glad that they're not insane. Should we talk some basketball? Congratulations, Hank. Congratulations, Hank.

Thank you. Thank you. Soulpatch bet is officially on the clock. I'm excited. I'm ready. The Celtics are tested. They know what it's like. They had to be locked in.

The Hawks played well. They fought well. But now the Celtics are in the mindset of, they know. They know what they have to do to win. Sixers have had a lot of time off. Didn't have to really sweat to win those games. Celtics are going to come out hot, blow them out, game one. The Celtics have won a Can't Lose game.

Baker and Denzel Ward. 2017 Browns. Yeah. 2018 Browns. OK, yeah. That was one in four. So, Hank, are you, you're ready, locked, loaded, no problem? I'm ready for a sweep.

Sweep? Either way? No, Celtics. Oh, OK. And Max, you were, now. Max has basically been like, he's had free house money for the last week, and now it's all setting in like, oh, fuck. I think, yeah.

So Max gone through the whole gambit of emotions. I'm so excited for this, for our show, because it's going to be great to watch. But Max had, he was scared. Then Mb got healthy, and the Celtics lost game five. And then he got happy. And then you could tell tonight, he was rooting very hard for the Hawks.

And I think he, like, then the clock struck midnight, and he was like, uh-oh. No. Uh-oh. The thing about Max is he's never been worried about this. Yeah, and he'll beat Hank's ass. No. What do you think about Max?

Think about me. No, it'll be a fun series. I will. I will. I will. This is, we need to do a super cut of Max just pausing and being like, no, no. It's going to be a fun time, and.

No, it's going to be fun. The last time I spoke about this series, I was a little bit more nervous. But you're not nervous now? No. I mean, it's still a. It's still a playoff series. Celtics are a good team.

They might not be as good as I thought that they were. I will say that. The Hawks are a bad team. That's one thing that we needed to discuss, is that the Hawks are not good. But the Nets are just a great team with all their star players that got them into the playoffs. Stormroll through the Nets.

It wasn't even a question. Stormroll. Stormroll. They got stormrolled. Big storm was coming in. Stormrolled right through the Nets. So no, I'm ready. I'm happy for the Hawks that they

were able to get and beat as much rest as he possibly could going into the next series. I still don't think it'll be at 100%, but it'll be good to go. We'll get some steroids shot at him, right, Bill? Yeah, probably. Yeah, yeah. He'll go right through the pain,

and sixers are going to win. Sixers and six. Sixers and six. OK. It makes sense to me. Hank? I think it's going to be Celtics in four or five. I mean, Celtics' defense was horrible in this series.

Hawks on it was really good. They were really good. But I do, I do truly. One of 12 from in the second half in this game, and they almost won. I do not really. They've, Celtics have blew him out in the fourth quarter. I do truly believe that it was good

that the Celtics had to kind of have that wake-up call, like, oh, fuck, we have to lock all the way in. This can't, you can't, can't pause in the playoffs. You can't take your foot off the gas, and now they're in that mindset. They know. They know? Losing those games was good for them.

And going to games that wouldn't be bad because of, because of rest, but they have, they have plenty of rest. They'll be good. OK. So I'm just, I'm so excited for this. The schedule works out great for the show. It's, it's. Well, no, not really.

Yeah. We're going to be out next week. Right. That part doesn't. No, but we're streaming Monday. Yeah. Wednesday, Friday, we're out, but then it's Sunday, Tuesday, Thursday, Sunday.

Oh, OK. That is good. And so what? We were going to be gone next week. So not a sweep. For the Wednesday, Friday anyway. So the way you just described that was not a sweep. That's just the schedule of the games.

But you didn't say, you didn't say if necessary. Yeah. You were like, the schedule works out very well. Yeah. Every game outside of the first four will be show days. No, Sunday night. So not a sweep. No, we'll have a stream.

Sunday night, you'll be shaving your face. Oh, on, on stream, you'll be shaving your face. You'll be shaving your face. What are the exact, what are the exact terms? Because I'm getting confused. The exact terms of the bet, loser, soul patch, sweep, two months, non-consecutive of having a soul patch. Correct.

And then I'm on the Sixers. And then Big Cat is on B-Ball Paul, Blake Griffin. We got to figure out that number. You don't like Blake? I love Blake. Absolutely. I love Josh Ferris, though. 20, is 20 fair?

For both, both combined? Yes. Yeah. I think that's fair. 20 points. In the series? Yeah. Total?

Yeah. B-Ball Paul is going to get that in one night. 1B is not going to play. All right, so what's a fair number? I don't know. We can figure that out. I'm not worried. I'm rooting for Blake.

Has Blake played? Same. I hope Blake has really good series. Yeah, it gets in a shitload. Scores a ton. All right, we'll figure out that number. It should be whatever their season average is, half. And also in a sweep.

So four games times half of their season average. OK, what else? Oh, is there a chance of Leafs below this? Yeah, there's definitely a chance. They showed the graphic earlier today of their last 14 clinching games, all losses. There's always a chance of Leafs. They will figure out a way to blow it.

But I don't know. I guess I just haven't experienced Leafs' failure on a first-person basis enough. I've really only got last year and then what's happened so far at this playoffs to really understand what it's like rooting for the Maple Leafs in a playoff series. It's not good. It's bad, in fact.

Even when they're winning, it feels like they could blow it at any given time. But as Jake pointed out tonight, the thing I was confused about at the start of the game, trying to figure out which team was which team. Because their pantones of blue are the exact same. There's not even a difference in the code. 281C.

281C. They're the exact same. That's tricky on the eyes. But yeah, I'd say probably like a 70% chance that the Leafs blow it, which is lower than normal. Yeah, it feels, I don't know. Maybe it's just one game. But it also is like the lightning

had been there many times before. If they win this game six, oh boy, that would really suck for Leafs fans. It really would. I just looked it up. B-Ball Paul is averaging four points a game. And Blake's averaging four points a game. So the total overrunner should be like 16 for the whole series.

Yeah. Wait, for both of them combined? Yeah. So if they're both averaging four points a game, then it would be half 32. No, no, I said half of their season average times four games. OK, yeah. So 16 points I need out of both of them combined?

Yeah, sure. I mean, Blake hasn't been playing a ton. Blake's a match-up guy, though. He is a match-up guy. Maybe they'll play against each other. Blake should be playing way more. God damn it. Get him in the game.

He'll have his day. All right, so I need 16 points. 16 points? Total. It's 17. 17 and a half. 16 and a half. 16 and a half points out of B-Ball Paul and Blake Griffin

combined for me not to get a soul patch. I like that. I will be in a lot of trouble if I get a soul patch when a baby's coming. Oh, those are going to be some great pictures. That's a future me problem, boys. That's a future me problem. Yeah, a lot, a lot of trouble.

This is the picture of when you were born. Let's just give Paul Reed to go. Let's give people Paul and Blake Griffin 17 points. Easy, easy. That's just what we need. So now you're rooting for Embi to stay her, too. No, I'm rooting for a seven game series. Because then I have, I think I can hit it.

If it goes six or seven, I think I'm OK. But if it goes significantly less, yeah. OK, all right. Now I feel just as nervous as fucking Max. What do you have, PFT? I've got just I've got the sixes. I'm rooting for Josh Harris. All right, so you know.

And also. But again, you don't, oh man. What? You want the soul patch. Yeah, you don't have to like. You just want to rock the soul patch. Yeah. No, I don't want to have the soul patch.

I want to, I want to feel something in this series. You could rock a soul patch and no one would say anything. Right. That's not true. That's not. I don't think anyone would say it. It's a bad soul patch. Wait, I don't think.

I don't think. Like if I close my eyes. Like just PFT a soul patch. Yeah, just strictly the Howie Mandel. Hank, when was the last time you shaved your heads, right? Just no, no, no, no. Is it under the lip or on the chin? Under the lip.

17 is a lot of points. I'm looking right now. It's not that many. No, it's not. Yeah, people always going to have 10 points. He literally because Embi didn't play. Embi didn't play. It's not going to be a sweep.

OK, all right, you promise? I guess if it's a sweep, then I just get to laugh at you. Now Hank is, oh, this is so bad. Why am I involved in this? I'm excited. Real excited. This is bigger than the finals. Every point from B-Ball Paul and Blake Griffin

is going to feel like a Super Bowl. Every single point matters. Yeah, this is going to be great. All right. Also Skip Bayless weighed in and he said that the Sixers are way, way, way, way, way, way, way, that like greater than sign. I have no idea where this is going.

Way, way, way, way, way, way better than the Celtics. So Skip Bayless is on our side. We should actually, everybody tells Skip Bayless he has to get a soul patch if the Sixers lose too. Yeah. He's on this bet whether he likes it or not. All right, let's, we're kicking it to ourselves. We're going to talk about the Rangers too.

Oh yeah, the Rangers are done. The Rangers are pathetic. The Rangers are pathetic. They are. Like that is a pathetic to be up 2-0 with two games at home. And then they obviously lost in New Jersey tonight, but they're pathetic. Four nothing shut out.

Rangers fans. Not over yet. Pathetic performance. That is, it is. That's pathetic. Are they dead? I think the Rangers might be dead. It feels like that.

What do I mean? They got shut out. Yeah. No, that's pathetic. OK, so we're going to talk all Yanis, Bucks, all the Wednesday night action, every series that went on. And then we have Carson Palmer and Firefest. OK, before we talk a little basketball and hockey playoffs,

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New part of my take stuff as well. Store.barstoolsports.com right now. Go get your new playoff gear and everything else. OK, let's have a debate about failure, because the playoffs Wednesday night, the Heat beat the Bucks in five. And Jimmy Butler does it again. Jimmy Butler was insane in game four with 56 points.

He backed it up again with 42, seven, and eight in game five. The Bucks blew another huge lead. They were up 13 going into the fourth quarter. It was the biggest comeback in a clinching game. The Heat went in overtime. And then Giannis, after the game, was asked. Let's set the stage. So he was asked after the game, is this season a failure?

Bad question, I would say. Weird question. Weird question, because it implies that the term failure, it's kind of loaded. What did you fail in your ultimate goal? Yes. But when you say failure, you're kind of asking him, this season might, you wish the season never happened.

Right. So he responded, quote, it's not a failure. It's steps to success. There's always steps to it. Michael Jordan played 15 years, won six championships the other nine years. Were they a failure? MJ definitely would say yes.

Without a doubt, if you were to ask that same question, you'd be like, yeah, the season sucked, not worth it. Yes. That's what you're telling me. It's the wrong question, Giannis continued. There's no failure in sports. There's good days, bad days. Some days you're successful.

Some days you're not. Some days it's your turn. Some days it's not your turn. And that's what sports is about. You don't always win. Sometimes other people win. And this year, somebody else is going to win. Simple as that.

I feel the same way. OK. Hank is talking about the lottery ball right now. This was a great, my initial take. So it was funny, because the game ended really late. And Giannis has like a lot of, like he's one of the most likable athletes, I think, across all sports.

No one really hates Giannis. Seems like a great dude. Obviously an incredible basketball player, a couple of MVP's, championship. He's got a loaded trophy closet. He gives great quotes. There was the initial like, oh Giannis, this is so profound. And I watched it in the morning when I woke up.

And I was like, wait, this is like something you say to a bunch of like 10-year-olds in Little League. It's OK to say the buck season was a failure. Giannis isn't a failure. None of the players are a failure. Their season was a failure. They were the one seed. They had the most wins in the regular season.

They were odds-on favorites. And they got bounced in five games. That's a failure. Now, so if you were to say that to a group of Little League kids, it's because you're trying to teach them what would be the right lesson in life, where this is, you want them to grow up to have this perspective that Giannis already has as an adult.

So it's, I guess, technically. Well, you teach them because they're not going to be professional athletes. And they need to learn that the journey and everything like that and how to win well and lose well and all that. So Giannis has almost too much perspective, which if he hadn't already won a championship, I would definitely say this is why Giannis will never

win an NBA championship. Because he has too much perspective in things. It's like when we're talking about Tom Brady and Aaron Rodgers. Aaron Rodgers has all the perspective in the world because of his psychedelic use, which is not the trait that you want in an elite quarterback. You want a guy to be a complete psycho and to say, I will literally get divorced if it

means that you try to keep me from winning football games. So in an ideal world, in the world of professional sports, you want as little perspective as possible sometimes. Giannis, well. You want psychos. Well, yes, you want psychos. Giannis will technically being correct with this take and saying all the right things and what you would hope

that citizens of the world would grow up to be thinking to themselves. At the same time, you're like, he doesn't have that dog in him. Well, it's just, it's professional sports. And expectation does change like these post game comments because if Darren Fox or Malik Monk said this, I'd be like, okay, they're on the way up. They're climbing their young team.

No one expected this three seed, all that. Giannis, you guys were expected to be competing for a title. You were expected to be in the Eastern Conference final like at bare minimum when the bracket all broke out and they lost in five. Again, I don't, it's crazy like that people are like, well, Giannis isn't a fail. No shit Giannis isn't a failure.

He's like overcome all odds. He's one of the best players in the NBA, but this season's a failure. I don't understand why you can't just say we failed at getting our goal. Yeah, so really the big winner in all this is the play-in tournament. Because the heat become,

they're the first team to ever advance after winning the play-in tournament, right? So this is what we've always wanted for the play-in tournament. It might start meaning more now. It might be meaningful games. Jimmy Butler. Because of one Jimmy G. Butler.

Who is now, you know what? Jimmy's number one. He's my number one player in the NBA. Not everyone else is a failure. And also if you look at, you have to look at this through the lens anytime you talk about basketball of what would Michael Jordan do?

And also what would LeBron do in a situation like this? And if LeBron had been the one to say, this season's not a failure, I made a lot of good friends along the way and had some great practices and enjoyed time spent on this earth, I would, we would leave the next five shows off to talk about LeBron.

It was one of my criticisms with Coach K when he'd have like a one or two seed and after they would get bounced in the tournament, he'd be like, it's about teaching young men how to become like adults. It's like, no, you wanted to win a title. You wanted to win a title. That was the goal.

It's okay in professional sports to be like, we're trying to win a title and if we don't win a title, we failed especially when you are the best team in the league. Hank, I know that you saw this and you were like, this is ridiculous. Yeah, the hat you're wearing right now, you're city of champions.

You probably saw this and were like gross. I hate that hat, but I love it at the same time. Any team that, any season that doesn't end in championship is a failure. Couple quick notes from the game. Well, no, so that. What if you get to a lot of championships? Yeah, I think that depends.

I think it does depend like, cause someone was like, oh, well, don't you say you're right. Like the Celtics series last year was not a failure. But it was. Oh yeah. Losing the championship. Yeah, when you're in the championship.

But the Celtics lost in the first round to the Hawks. That's a failure. Colossal failure. That's a failure. Yeah. Losing two games is a failure. And again, it doesn't mean any of these guys are failures. Like I quickly realized because it was a nice healthy debate.

Then it became a semantics battle too, where it's like, we shouldn't, this is stupid now because people are saying like, well, now you're calling, I'm never calling that as a failure. But it's, and I think if you're a fan of the box and you like pay money and you invest your time and everything to have them be like, no, it's not a failure.

That, you'd be like, what the fuck dude? Like it's okay. It's not saying that you suck or that the history of like the future of the box is ruined or anything like that. This season was a failure. It's like the difference in grade school. When you're a young kid,

we were graded on the curve of like G for good or O for outstanding G for good, S for satisfactory, N for needs improvement. And then you get above like second grade and the F starts to hit, which stands for failure. The bucks need improvement, but also this season was a failure. You could also say disappointing.

This is a disappointing end to the season for the box, but yeah, failure, it was technically a failure, but you're not a failure. I guess the new debate instead of done or finished, like is it a failure or is it disappointing? Yeah. Well, it just becomes a semantics battle where it's like, how do you define failure?

These guys all have reached the pinnacle of pressure. No shit. The guys who were playing on the court aren't failures. I'm gonna let our good friend Webster solve this one. I looked it up. No Oxford, this is coming from Oxford. A failure is defined as a lack of success. I would say that this is a failure.

Yeah, this season was a lack of success. By the letter of the law, this is a failure. Yeah. What are you gonna say, Billy? I just feel like Giannis embodies the city and the team. Like he sees himself as synonymous, so it was like hard for him to say, like to remove himself and be like the bucks have failed.

Well, he does have like, he has really good perspective and he's very likable guy, but this one I just feel like it's okay to be like, yeah, we failed. Our goal was to win a title. Can I give you a spin zone on this one, Big Cat? You know who a minority investor in the box is? Minority owner.

Yes, yes. Aaron Rodgers, another postseason loss for Aaron Rodgers. Failure. Two, I just feel like I gotta put this on the record, but the fact that the heat, the Jimmy Butler play to go into overtime basically happened in a second or less than a second, maybe a second and a half. There was point over two seconds.

There was point eight left and the box had a timeout and they just didn't call it. When the heat basically scored in a play where that was take a second or less, so the bucks could have done something similar and they just chose not to. So if Yanis was, this would have been way more explosive, but he should have just been like, yeah,

our coach is a failure because not only did Bud go to, overtime with the timeout in his back pocket, I'm pretty sure they finished overtime with the timeout in his back pocket. Grayson Allen finished the game, the box season finished without a last shot. That was a few times in sports. I was laughing out loud at that last shot attempt.

It was so funny when it got to Grayson Allen and he just didn't even get a shot off trying to do a Euro step with zero seconds left. It was, I was like legitimately, I can't believe that just happened. You don't really see that in pro. I feel like in college, yeah. The Badgers might have done that in the NIT semifinal

where they just played hot potato for the last 15 seconds. But it was a coaching masterclass by Spolstra and a complete dud by coach Bud because he was, there was a couple of things. One is afterwards Giannis was asked, did he wish he had guarded Jimmy Butler more because Drew Holiday was getting torched by Jimmy Butler. Like he was and Jimmy Butler was talking all the shit.

It was, he kept on screaming at him on your head, on your head. I think he pointed at the drum boat shot. Yeah, and he just kept on being like, I'm doing it on your head, which was, I fucking love Jimmy Butler so much. But Spoh, so that last play that you mentioned, it was afterwards, Jimmy Butler said he told Spoh

that he thought Drew Holiday. The exact quote is he believed Drew Holiday would lock and trail behind him on that lob at the end of regulation and then it would open up the lob over the top and Spoh was like, yes, do it. And then on the other side, Giannis was asked why he didn't guard Jimmy Butler more. And Giannis said, yes, out of respect,

you gotta let coach make that adjustment. At the end of the day, I wish I could guard him more. Like Giannis is the best player on the court. He should be guarding Jimmy Butler. He should tell his coach, hey coach, you're an idiot. I should be guarding him. Clearly this is not working. Yet Giannis was like, no, I trust my coach,

which was a mistake because Bud got absolutely manhandled. And I don't know if this could be a fake quote. I just wanna say it before I say it. I did see it in the replies, but when the Raptors were down 0-2 to the Bucks, when the Kawhi, the year they won the championship, there was a quote that the coach came in, I was gonna make some adjustments and Kawhi told the coach,

yeah, the adjustment is I'm guarding Giannis. It is a player leak. Like the best players should, if the best player, I know that coaches have a job, but like if Jimmy Butler says to Spoe, this is what we can do to score this basket. Spoe's like, yeah, you're the best player. You see better than I can right now.

Whereas Giannis, he should just go guard Jimmy Butler. And it was, we should say, one caveat, Jimmy Butler did kinda shove on that last play. He did kinda shove. He did push off. But also the Bucks were getting every call. Did they call it? No, they didn't. Then he didn't push off.

Yeah, he didn't push off. Let me ask you this, hypothetical, who would you rather have guarding the rim on that last shot? Giannis or Connitan? Well, here's another thing that happened. They put Connitan in just for that play too. Here's what also happened.

Spoe put Bam on the bench, and Bud then put Lopez on the bench. Lopez, kind of important for Elab at the rim. Kind of a guy you want out there. Like, Spoe was just doing circles around him. You hardly ever see Elab at the rim on that play with like two seconds left. That's usually not the call, but it worked.

But it was Jimmy saying, this is, I think this is gonna work. Let's do it. Spoe's gotta be the best coach in the league. He's so good. And even the little shit, like Bam was not great this series, but in the second, in the fourth quarter,

they had Bam just being like basically the point guard and Lopez was just giving him all the space in the world, and he was able to pass to anyone. Like, opened up the 13 point comeback. Like, everything Spoe did, Bud was just standing there being like, gee, I don't know. Giannis should just post up, I guess.

It was crazy. I'd like to confirm Hank's fake quote. It's actually real. Yeah. So it was from Phil Handy. He wrote this down. Kawhi said, the adjustment is I'm guarding Giannis, and then he walked out of the locker room.

Yeah, and that's it. Like, that's when your best player says, especially when your best player steps up and is like, I'm gonna do this. You know that he, like, why wouldn't, that's the best coaching in the world. Get out of the way. Yeah, so maybe again, Giannis has too much perspective.

I'm gonna let coach make the decisions. I have to trust coach. Maybe he's just gotta be a dick. Maybe occasionally Giannis has to just put his balls on the table. Yeah, and I know obviously Giannis getting hurt changes like the course of the series, but the Bucks one single win was when Giannis wasn't playing

and they blew double digit leads and back-to-back games in the fourth quarter when they just couldn't score. I think they scored like two field goals from six minutes on in the regulation, including overtime. Like they just couldn't score when they needed to. And Jimmy Butler is the man. Jimmy Butler is incredible.

The heat aren't full strength either. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Everyone's got injuries. And they had all their guys were fouled out in overtime. Yeah. And you're honest with the most heat culture tech ever going at it with Bobby Portis. Yes, which was like, that's just two dogs barking at each other

like with a fence in between. Like I just, I would like, I love both those guys. Yeah. Yeah, but Jimmy Butler, like this is now, like his game four was one of the most impressive things I think we all had seen. So actually finish it off on the road and then have it be in five games

you beat the number one seed. Womped him. Like this is, that's an all time performance this entire series. And if they keep going, they play the Knicks, Tibbs versus Jimmy, it's ready to go. It's going to be awesome. I have a little fun stat for you.

Jimmy Butler in his games post all-star game, 20 games. How many threes did he hit? Post all, 20 games. Regular season only. Regular season. He hit 13. He hit 12 in five games. In actually 12 and four games

because he didn't hit one in the first six. He's a switch guy. He's the ultimate Jimmy Butler has officially flipped the switch. Incredible. Incredible. Yeah. It was awesome to watch Jimmy the last two nights.

God damn he's good. He's so good. He's so good. And it feels like he's good just when he wants to be good. Yeah. He just turns it on and he has that like I am better than you.

I'm going to take this game over on your head. Like there's just nothing better in sports than watching someone talk shit and then back it up. He's like the opposite of Dylan Brooks. I would like to say directly to our audience part of my take is a failure because we pronounce heat culture to be dead. That's true.

After the Hawks. We failed. Listen, we failed. We failed. Heat culture was dead. We failed at correctly announcing the time of death of heat culture. Actually, maybe we were right

because it's not heat culture. It's Jimmy Butler culture. But what brought in Jimmy Butler? He checked all the boxes. I think Jimmy Butler culture is now over heat culture. No, no. Yeah. Look at how long.

Yeah. It's a Jimmy Butler culture. Jimmy Butler did that. Duncan Robinson culture. He did that. Yeah. I did declare him dead. And I mean, it was shot.

And even I'll admit, like we were talking about bull seat. We're like, eh. Yeah. We're probably going to lose to the box, but. I do wonder if you honestly didn't get injured. But guess what? That just happens. And like you said, Tyler Hero's injured.

He broke his hand. Is he coming back or no? I think if they make the finals. OK, so probably not. I'm not going to say it. I'm not going to say it. Probably not. I'll say it.

Heat culture is dead. I'm not going to say it. I haven't learned my lesson yet. I am officially, especially with the Lakers who when put out another dud, I feel like they're just, they are like the Jimmy Butler as a team, where they just flip the switch. Like, oh, we don't, we don't need to win game five.

We'll go back to Los Angeles and win game six. I think they can. They're playing with fire though. I still think they can. They're playing with fire. The third quarter was was a dagger for them. Yeah. They, they fought.

They, they would bring it back close. But after that third quarter, they weren't going to win that game. Yeah. Brown said he had to be better. He's like, I'm a failure. For the good of the game. I'm hoping for the Lakers. For the good of the game.

Yeah. Lakers. Lakers, Warriors, Celtics, need to all advance. So the war is the other thing, and we'll talk about Nick's calves, but Hank has never been more right about us being like the beam guys and being so excited. And then the Warriors have ripped off three straight wins. Finally one on the road.

There was a material change with Darren Fox. Yeah. Yeah. Although I think, I think it's just like the Warriors don't start the playoffs till Jermon gets suspended. Yeah. And then, and then they just, and then they're ready to kick it into gear. And then that last, that dagger layup that Curry made when they were,

I think they were up like four or five with like 40 seconds left where he just ran around the court with the ball. Like he hit every corner of the court and then hit a layup. It's like, yeah, that's why this guy is so fucking good. I think what's going to happen is if the Kings advance, we're going to be caught up again on the beam team. We're going to have beamomania. We'll be beaming everyone.

And we're going to be, yeah, dude, it's going to be a beam pie. Yes. And I'm going to be very excited about them moving on to the second round. And then they're going to start actually playing the second round. And I'm going to be like, I really wish that this was the Warriors. Yes. Yes. Yes.

So Warriors take a three, two lead back to the bay. Never say never. But that was like the Warriors not being able to win on the road. They check that off and now they can win games. And then the Warriors, which would be crazy if they win, they get home court in the Lakers win. They get home court advantage as a six seat. That's huge.

The playoffs have been so awesome because we usually don't have this. We had an insane upset, insane series performance from Jimmy Butler. We've had Warriors Kings. It's been awesome to watch. We've had Lakers, Grizzlies have like weird rivalries. It's like we usually don't get this in the first round of the playoffs. Yeah. You know what?

I think we do have to become a failure podcast. We have to just call. We kind of are. We are. We are takes are always. And we have to we have to embrace it. We have to judge everything as a failure from this point on. Every small thing that happens.

I mean, Jimmy Butler has been stuffing in your face for like four years since you called him a non top 15 play. I said he was like 16. Yeah, he just keeps doing it. He is. So what's the bigger failure? Perdue or the box? One seeds getting bounced.

I would say Perdue. You think Perdue, the space of the underdogs versus the favorites there, like the heat, I mean, he had to go in the number one player in the league, according to you. Well, that's retroactive because he just did that. It's the chicken or the egg situation. But we have to you didn't. But there's a lot in the tournament percentage wise.

I think that was the fifth or sixth time of the fifth time. Yeah. But there's only two ones. This is the second time, right? And there's four out of seven versus one. But there's four ones. He's in March Madness every year. Yeah, they're number four, too.

I would say that Purdue is a bigger failure, which means that the bucks are a bigger failure at being a bigger failure. Because they failed at being the best. Yeah, right. Yeah, like failure first, double failure. Yeah, they're like, Yanis couldn't be more wrong. Yeah, the ultimate failure. OK, yeah. So in conclusion, Yanis is a pussy and I would be the shit out of him.

Nick's calves I have. So Nick's like they're legitimately good. Julius, Julius Randall, he got hurt like he was terrible all series. Jalen Brunton's awesome, Josh Hart's awesome. R.G. Barrett's been playing like the Knicks are good. Yeah. And the calves are a couple of years away still. I don't know, like that was they got absolutely dominated on the boards in every game.

I do have one good thing for the calves that they can. Cavs fans who are listening can take this with them. Ricky Rubio, after the game, reiterated what Danny Green said in the locker room, saying that the calves were better than the Knicks, but they didn't show it and New York wanted it more. So the calves technically won that series because they were better. But the Knicks were better. Were one, but the calves were better.

They just didn't show the calves were better. They didn't show it plus the effort. So if the calves played their best game, they would have won that series, but they never played their best game, but they also didn't want it enough. So it's like it's a formula with the two things that you need to win a series that they didn't do. They had one of them, but they were better. They were better.

They just didn't play better. But the two things they didn't play better. They didn't demonstrate that they were better. They need three things. You need to be better to want it more and then to play better. So they had one of the three. Yeah. So that means that the other team had two of the three. And that's why they won.

That's why that's exactly how the series. But that still means that the other teams better. But if the if we did it on paper or on an Excel sheet, the calves have advanced. OK, got it. Because they were more talented. Got it. OK. Right. Congratulations to the calves. Congratulations to the calf. They were better than the next next season is a failure. According to Ricky Rubio and Danny Green, got it.

That's loser talk. That is that something might have gotten lost in translation. But it was it was a reporter reporting that Danny Green also said that. So they both are on the same page. Both walked in just being like, damn, we were better than those guys. Even though we lost in five games and got fucking curbs stomped multiple times. Yeah. I mean, we were told going into the playoffs that the calves would be the fun team that could go in a little run.

They weren't fun at all. They weren't fun. They were not fun at all. If you're going to lose like that and you're going to be better, at least be the more fun team. Yeah. No, they. Yeah, like the the Kings could. Kings would potentially lose. And we'd be like, well, that was fun. Yeah. Cavs were just depressing and played shitty basketball. Yep. And now we have tips versus Jimmy.

And New York is on fire for the Knicks. It's going to be fun. Are you going to go to any of the game shake? When's game one Sunday afternoon in here? Okay. Yeah. I might, if I go, I'll be using game time last one to take its $20 off code PMT. So we'll see. But the tickets are pretty, pretty steep for a Madison Square Garden. I'm sure they're getting insane.

Insane. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Hockey playoffs. Hank, we only had, I don't know, we had two games. So the Kraken are now up three, two on the ads. So Ryan Whitney's a total fraud. Yep. Big time. And then the Bruins now have to go to game six back down to Florida. Yeah. It was a tough couple of days over at the TD Bank North Garden. So how are you feeling?

Same way as the Celtics. I think if either these games go to seven, then it's a scary, scary collapse situation that, you know, neither team should be in the situation. Omark blacked out in overtime. You know, I'm not a goalie. I'm not a hockey ex's nose guys. But I don't know what he was doing, what he was thinking. I think he just blacked out.

I think he just, yeah, I think he just forgot where he was, what his job was, that he was a goalie, not a player. And, you know, maybe he got colorblind, forgot who was on what team. What's the opposite of standing on your head? Standing on your feet. He was standing on his feet out there. So we already know what happened in Celtics Hawks because we taped the beginning of the show after all that stuff.

But let's just pretend that the Celtics lost. They didn't. OK. That would be a tough day to wear that hat. So you don't want to pretend. No, the Celtics lost. I will be panicked. Shook. Shooketh, not not a happy camper. OK, what if you got what if both teams just got bounced in the first round?

You have to you have to give that hat to Max. Yeah, yeah. Meanwhile, Max is like so how we're taping the show today because the draft goes late. We're taping this. It's like six o'clock in the afternoon or evening. And then we'll tape the whole show, the beginning of the show after the draft, after the cells and stuff.

So I keep saying, we'll do all the dressed up stuff later tonight. And Max just keeps chiming in on the group text being like also Celtics Hawks because some teams still are in the first round. Have you noticed those texts? I have noticed those texts. Listen, I'm saving. Like I said, I'm not I'm put my focus back on beating the Hawks. So I'm not worried about Max or Philly.

But by the time you're listening to this, I'll be I'll be I'll be ready to go. Right. And yeah, by the time you're listening to this, this is already one. Yeah. Yeah. Right. So you're good. Celtics of one, Jason Tatum over 25 and a half points. Al Horford over 15 and a half points rebound assist. Trey Young, no shimmies. I'll be rich.

And why did you do that bet? Because of the PMTV that big cat deleted footage last week cursing my bet. No, we went to court. Judge Jerry was the judge and watched to figure out what happened now. Yeah, I would say the court, the court hearing that we had, I think everyone lost because Hank and I quickly learned that we don't know anything about law, how legal proceedings work. We just we both started the video just being like, all right,

present your case. And then I was like, wait, am I presenting mine? And then we just ended it with us yelling over each other. I I I've watched probably four to five hundred episodes of law and order. All sorts of other cop TV shows growing up. I still have no idea what it means when you do the objection, your honor. Oh, we were objecting each other back and forth. The judge says either overruled or sustained.

I was no idea what the overrule or sustained means. Listen, I was throwing erroneous out there. We're throwing objection. We're saying like court of order and like all kinds of shit that made no sense. But yeah, Hank and I are in a good spot now. Yeah, yeah, we are. We did. We settled it like men, meaning I had to pay him a fee, which is still I thought about it when I woke up this morning.

I was like, wait, why did I do that? He owes me two hundred and eighty thousand dollars in jinxed bets. Boss, the court, the court. Let's not do it again. Objection, objection on myself where there will be a brand new graphics package put together by our amazing behind the scenes team. Memes, Max, Shane and Evan, and can't wait to see that. And the golf videos coming out Friday.

No, no, no, the graphics are getting announced or getting revealed Thursday night. So for the golf video. No, tonight's PMTV with the court. So if you're watching this on YouTube right now, you'll notice that the graphics are a little different. So make sure you also notice there's no golf video. Make sure to complain about the graphics package and be like, I missed the old shout out graphics. Yeah, shout out graphics.

You've got to do a great job. If you're watching this on YouTube right now and you're just scrolling around being like, where's this golf video? It's not there yet. Just know that it'll it'll be there next week. Yeah. Yeah. What? OK. It's worth the wait. OK. That Thursday. You love golf.

Yeah. The video is not for you. Yeah. Like good golf. Yeah. Yeah. Like if you're yeah. Yeah. It's funny, though. I can't wait. Next Monday. Next Monday. That is not what I said. Next Thursday. I said next Thursday.

OK. It'll be early drop. It'll be Thursday. 500,000 subscribers, right? Yeah. Yeah. Weekly videos come out on Thursday. Next week's weekly video will be golf. OK. Got it. So no chance, even if people ask nicely. It will be there's always a chance.

There's always a chance that people ask nicely. Sure. You know what? There's always a chance. Yeah. So there's at Philly Maze. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Underscore Maze. Philly Underscore Maze. Yeah. Sure.

And anyone who wants anyone wants to talk some shit, come on over. All right. Let's get to our interview. We've got Carson Palmer talking in his career. Draft night stuff. Who he likes in the quarterback class. Great interview with him in person. Before we do that, you got a quick word from one of our sponsors.

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And now here's Carson Palmer. Okay, we now welcome on recurring guests. Haven't seen him in a few years. It is Carson Palmer, Heisman trophy winner, three time NFL pro bowler. He's here with level select, which we want to talk about. But first of all, thank you for coming back in. Great to see you. And it's perfect.

We're going to run this on Friday. So right after the draft, the first round, okay. This is your 20, 20 year anniversary of being selected. Number one overall, correct? It's I like, I want to know from your perspective, like, tell us everything about your draft night, because I feel like every sports fan on draft night lives that imagination of like, man, if I was one of these guys, was it as cool as we think it is?

So it was, it was amazing. It was cool, but it was different because I had agreed to a contract prior to the draft. So I was excited to go to New York because everybody wants to go to New York. That's not, that doesn't get to live here. And so I went to Cincinnati to sign the contract like on Tuesday. And then had a, had a big press conference, did that whole deal. And then Wednesday flew from Ohio to New York. And then I was in New York and I wasn't nervous.

I wasn't, I'm in the green room. I'm hanging out. We had champagne going. It was awesome. Everybody else in the room is stressed and doesn't know. And so I, I knew, I felt great. My family knew, everybody knew that the news had come out. And so we went out the night before, had a fantastic night.

I was hurting the next day of the draft because I didn't have to like, you know, sit, you know, on pins and cushions, where am I going to live next year? Who's going to draft me? I knew where I was going. The phone call and all that. All that. And so, you know, this is back when Tagliaboo was a commissioner. So Tagliaboo comes out and says, you know, welcome to the 2003 NFL draft.

The bangles are on the clock and turns around on walks. And this is when it was at Radio City Music Hall and the whole place starts booing because they all knew the bangles were going to draft me. They want to get to the number two pick and let's go, you know, but the production that the NFL does. So Tagliaboo leaves and like the clock starts and there's like 10 minutes that go by and everybody in the audience is like, let's go, let's get to the number. So they're booing and I'm kind of hurting from the night before.

And so I'm just like, let's go, let's, let's get out there. So finally then Tagliaboo comes back out. But, but the anticipation is something I got to, I missed out on. Yeah, I was a little like, no doubt. I was blessed and happy and excited to be where I was. But seeing the, the unknown around the room and everybody else in the room, you don't know, you could be living in Florida, Illinois, you name it. And so I kind of was a little jealous of that.

Like, oh, where am I going to go? Who's going to draft? What's my new uniform? What, you know, what, you know, all those what ifs. You have a sliding door moment. That's like the excitement. Like my life can be totally different if one pick goes a different way. Totally.

Everything could be different. And so I missed out on that, but it was an amazing experience. I mean, the funny part from the player's perspective is, you know, you're so excited, you're celebrating, you're high fiving. And then you come down to reality, like, oh, I got to go on a plane and go to this city and prove myself to a new coaching staff, a new fan base, learn a new off. Like it's like the work is just getting really going. Everybody around you is like, we made it.

And you're like, no, I got it. Now I got it. Now I really got to work. I worked my butt off to get here. And now I got to start all over. This is a new business, a new game, new system, all these different things. So it is a little bittersweet, but it's great for your family because they're they're hyped, they're party in there enjoying it. And you're like, hold on, take a step back.

I got to fly to wherever you're getting drafted to and really start the work then. Yeah. So yeah. Did you did you get your first paycheck before the draft? Like had that deposit hit yet? No, no, because you get a signing bonus. But that doesn't, you know, use the day you sign on the dotting line, it's not like all of a sudden you have money in your check. Right. Yeah.

It takes some vetting and every lawyer's got to look at it. And it takes a couple of weeks before things get. So dumb question. And this is just how I would like if I was drafted in a pro sports league. I do think I would just start giving everyone money. Did you do that at all? Like not like tons of money, but like I'd give my best friends like, hey, here's five grand here.

You know, mom and dad, here's, you know, I just be handing out money for at least a little portion of time. We celebrated. We did go out that night of the draft and I had never been in a situation where I could like get a table, right? You know, and then and then and I'd never been to, you know, a really high play. I've been to die bars my whole life. And so we're in New York.

We go to this super foo foo club and the dude comes out and all of a sudden all, you know, the bottles are coming out. And then for the first, I've never paid more than, you know, the most expensive thing I'd ever bought to that point was my rent, which was like 250 bucks a month. Right. When you're scraping by to make that happen in college. And then we go out the night of the draft and I got like a $50,000 bill or whatever it was, it was like mind blowing.

Yeah. And then it was like, well, I can, I can. I can cut this. I can put my credit card down, but this just doesn't, that's an unnerving feeling. No matter what you, what you're about to get when you see a big pace, you know, a big bill come like that, it is, um, makes your heart skip a beat for sure. The first time. Yeah. And you were the only rookie quarterback. I don't know if that's still true to this day, but the only person that was

taken, I want to say in the first round that didn't play a single snap, your rookie year, you didn't get on the field, right? I don't know if I was the only one. I think there was, um, I'm trying to think who was, did Eli play? He might have gotten in a little bit. I think, I think Warner got hurt one of the, he like hurt his hand or something. But I'm pretty sure that at least since you know, what the quarterback has, has gone through their entire rookie year without playing a single snap in a game.

Do you, I'm sure at the time you wanted to get on the field and you were like, let me, you know, let me see what I can do. You want to compete, all that stuff. Do you think, because there's a lot of conversation about drafting guys and letting them develop behind, you know, a cemented starter, all that stuff. Do you think that actually not playing your rookie year was good for you in the long run, or do you still look back and wish that you had gotten in? It was good and bad.

It was good to get a chance to not get thrown to the Wolves right away and get to kind of learn. And I had, I had John Kitten in front of me who was a phenomenal mentor. Did everything right, showed me kind of laid the groundwork for me. But I mean, I don't know, I've been asked that question a million. I don't know the right answer. To each team, to each player, it's different. The difference now mainly is the way that the contracts are, are, you know,

back in the day, there was, I signed a seven year deal with an eighth year option. Now it's a four year deal with a fifth year option. So back in the day, they had the ability from an organizational standpoint to do that, because they didn't have to start thinking about my next contract until really year six or seven. Now you got to be ready to pay a guy or let him walk in year three. So you don't have that opportunity to let him sit and develop. You need game, you need to see him in action.

You need as much footage as you can before you make a decision and give him Jalen Hertz, $255 million a month. Like you had all kinds of time to make that decision previously when you got seven years and that much footage to watch of a guy. Now, if you are not really, if you haven't made a decision in year three, this is our guy or this is not our guy. He's probably not your guy, but you only really have three years, two and a half years worth of, of game footage to make that decision.

So really that, that's, that's what changed with the most recent CBA is when they changed those rookie, that rookie paid scale went from seven years down to four years that accelerated the timeline. We got to get this kid in there, throw him in the fire. Let's see what he's got. Cause we got to start getting ready to make that decision. Are we going to pay him 50 a year or not? And, and then also from a team building, like we've seen it with Jalen Hertz,

a good example, like that window that you have a guy on a cheaper deal. That's when you got to strike Joe Burrow, perfect example where it's like, you're they're going to have to pay Joe Burrow, Burrow, a lot of money and it's going to change the whole dynamic of the team. Well, Jalen's game is going to change. Yeah. Because I mean, he wasn't even on a top five pick rookie deal. He was on a low.

I mean, that, that's his minimum wages. It gets in the quarterback world. So he had AJ Browns and Darius Slay at corner. I mean, there, there's some really good players and Philly that because of this new money that, that Jalen's got, he's not going to be surrounded by all the talent he's been surrounded by on offense, defense and special teams wise. And then all of a sudden, you know, Philly, Philly, now that he's paid, they got to the Super Bowl.

Now they expect him to win it and now Jalen has to win it and he's eating up 12% of the salary cap. He was eating up 0.12% of the salary cap previously. So there is a lot more on his shoulders. Obviously the expectation, obviously the pressure, but he's got to do a lot more to get, to get a Super Bowl ring with less talent around him on both sides. That's another dumb thing that I have, including like, I would just give money

to everyone is that if I were a quarterback, I'd be like, you know what, I'll take like a hundred million instead of 250 and just get really good players. That obviously isn't how it works. But in my head, I'm like, would you rather not have to do it all? Yeah, I agree. I was saying that when before Dak Prescott got his big deal, because the thing about if you play for certain organizations, if you play for the Dallas Cowboys, whatever you don't make on the field, you can make up off the field

on the mattress company that Dak is, you know, promoting. Like there is so much money to be made on the marketing side of things. If you're the Dallas Cowboys quarterback, I mean, you look back to three years ago, you had three Dallas Cowboys players on the number one teams in the booth. You had Akeman, you had Jason Witton and you had Romo. And if you play for the Dallas Cowboys and you trust that that the Jones family is going to make the right decisions, I think it's worth it to take a little less money on the field, have better players on the field and open up

even more doors if you win a Super Bowl off the field to make your money marketing wise and in Dallas, you kind of a long term play. It's also tough to say, you know, 100 million is enough. I don't need the extra 150 million on top of that. Well, you don't have to take that big of a page. Yeah, that's a big page. You can also marry a billionaire model. That works, too.

Yeah, that's also a life hack guys can do. Great success financially with a little insight on some companies to buy into Warren Buffett's a family member. But I want to marry Nancy Pelosi. That's my goal. She's got it all figured out. Financial standpoint is awful. Sounds like a terrible decision.

So, you know, along those same lines, if you're a quarterback for the Cowboys, you do have all these opportunities. You end up going to Cincinnati. Cincinnati, not a huge media market by any stretch of the imagination. When you were, you know, playing football in college, there it probably wasn't your dream to play on the Cincinnati Bengals one day, right? But it's still an awesome thing. You're the first overall pick.

That's a great moment. You get that's that's unbelievable. Was there any just thing in the back of your head like, yes, the Bengals, but, you know, it's going to be great. But it's also the Bengals. Yeah, I mean, I grew up in Colorado, you know, watching the Broncos play in Southern California without a pro football team. I didn't know a whole lot about the Bengals

because they didn't play in Monday Night Football. They didn't win a bunch of Super Bowls or ever really go to the playoffs. So I just didn't know. And at that point in your life, everybody's telling you the greatest thing in the world. I was young and dumb and said, I don't care how bad they are. I'm going to go there and win a bunch of Super Bowls. So you're just young and dumb and you don't know what what, you know, to not know. And so I just didn't know what I was getting into.

And I was excited about the opportunity, man. I was an NFL dream is an NFL dream. It doesn't matter if it's the Miami Dolphins down in Florida or the Bengals, the Browns and Ohio, it's an NFL team. And that excitement is enough to just playing in the NFL, have an opportunity to play on national television. Every time you step on the field is a dream come true. And it didn't matter if it was for the Bengals, the Browns or the L.A. Rams.

Yeah. And you guys ended up having an awesome offense. I used to love watching you guys play. Otrosenko, just an absolute legend, just a completely unique individual. I bet if I bet if you threw the ball at Otrosenko 20 times in the game, I bet he'd be like, why don't you throw it to me 21 times? No doubt. No doubt. Man, he was so good. He was back in the day.

I don't know if there was in my time, I think the two most feared players were Chad, because if you're a corner and you had to play on one on one, it was an issue you just couldn't keep up. He was fast. He was quick. He was explosive. He was six one with long arms. So he was big.

He could stop on a dime. But him and Lydani and Tomlinson in their heyday were as feared as it gets. And then, you know, on the other side of Chad, we had TJ Hushmanzata, who was a first down machine. He was a slot receiver that was unbelievable. Peter Warwick was there when I first got there. I remember P.Dub back in the day, his foot of the stake. I mean, he was awesome until he had that knee injury.

But we had good players. And and one of the great ones, too, that I didn't get to play with, it was there before I started playing was Corey Dillon. Yeah. And he had a couple of good years at the end at the end in New England, got a got a Super Bowl ring. So there was some offensive firepower and since it for sure. Great nickname to clock killing Corey Dillon.

Yeah. Yeah. I love that. That was a great. Do you remember the time you drove with Chad Otrosenko to Indianapolis to watch Peyton play? They made a big deal of that. You guys sat in the last row. No, no, no, no, no, no.

We got we got tickets for measuring James. He looked us up in the family section. It was a cool story. You guys were like, hey, we want to go watch how, you know, Peyton Manning and Reggie Wayne and Marvin Harrison play. Yeah, we went to watch, you know, because Chad and I were having a lot of success on the field, but then we come off the field and he'd be, dude, I'm wide open and I go look at the picture.

But there's 19 guys covering you. You're not. And so we went down there to see like what those guys were doing when the defense was on the field. What was Peyton doing? Was Peyton sitting by himself? Was he looking at pictures? What was Marvin doing?

Was Marvin goofing off like Chad was? And so we went to learn. We saw them communicate. They literally talked every series and it was never Marvin going over to Peyton, it was Peyton coming over to Marvin and Reggie. And so that was just something we implemented. We saw what they were doing on the field, obviously, but you don't get to see what they're doing when they're getting Gatorade in between series

and seeing that constant dialogue and talking about this, talking through that. That was something that helped Chad and I get even more on the same page. That's really cool. I didn't know that was like the basically it was to not even watch the game. It was to watch what they're how they're acting on the sideline. We can watch the game the next day on the coach's cut-ups. But we wanted to see what was going on. What kind of communication was it once a quarter?

Was it, you know, it was every series. They they went three and out. There's three runs. They would come over and talk about something because they're always. All right, we ran the ball three times. Here's the run action we gave him. We're going to hit him with the play action post or the play action court, whatever it was, they were getting ready.

It looked like they were getting ready for that next series. And that's something that Chad and I implemented into our games. I have one more Chad Ocher Cinco question that will conclude the Chad Ocher Cinco portion. I get to talk about Chad all day. Yeah, I mean, he's a fascinating guy. I remember he was getting really into the celebrations for a couple of years. He they were getting more and more intricate as time went on and meant.

If if Roger Goodell was the commissioner when he first started getting into him, because I don't think that he was or it was before he really laid down the law, Chad would have been fined every single game for everything that he did. But there was one in particular. I don't know if you have any insight into this one. If he talked about his celebrations and planned them out with you guys. But at one point he said that he had a live deer that he had trapped in his garage

that he was going to bring out because it was around it was around Christmas time. And so he was going to use the live deer as a prop, like a Santa Rain deer. And his celebration, we scored a touchdown that he scores a touchdown and he starts looking around for the deer and it's not there. It's not at the at the game. Did he actually have a live deer that he had he had corralled somehow? Yeah, for the for the sake of that story, continuing to live on. Yes, yeah, it was it was a real live reindeer.

It was underneath Section B in the stadium and the guy that was hired to let the the deer out of the gate or the cage, he failed. But that that's a great story. All of his celebrations were great. And I never I never heard about him. I always saw him doing something like he put on all the fame jacket one time. Yeah, he changed. He had a Velcro Ocho Cinco put on to his jersey one time.

I thought one of his best celebrations, because I was always trying to get Chad to play golf and he never would play golf. And I just I thought, you're crazy. You should be, you know, something great to do. It takes your mind off of whatever else you're doing. It's great. It's a great thing to be doing when you're not at the facility. And then he busted out.

We're in Chicago against your bears. And I think he had like maybe three touchdowns that game and one of the touchdowns he did a Tiger Woods. Yeah, he putted with the pylon. Yeah. Yes. And I was like, Chad, finally you brought and I love golf. So he finally brought some golf into the into the celebrations.

I thought that one was one of his best. What do you shoot these days? Uh, I'm like a I'm like a high 70s. I mean, that's the way you the way you presented that was rude. Because I thought you were going to say like 90s, low 90s. You're like, I'm like a high 70s fucking phenomenal. Thank you. You wouldn't expect.

I'd be a decent. No, I think you would be the way you were like leading into it. I was like, he's going to say high 80s, low 90s. No, no, that's, I mean, you're basically a scratch golfer. Well, I should be a scratch golfer and I'm not. I should be right around 72, 73, but it's like one or two holes every round that I just, I just flare one off the right and I'm dropping and I'm trying to save double bogey.

It must be so much fun. They're the killers 70s. So golf is like the best game ever. If you're good at it, it is a great game. If you can consistently put a good square club face on the golf ball. Yeah, there's no, there's a few feelings that are like that and they're hard to come by. Yeah.

Yeah. Um, all right. So let's talk about this year's draft. Uh, so you, I got to give you credit. Last time we had you on was five years ago. You said Josh Allen highest upside. So you called that. Okay.

You nailed that. Do you have a favorite in this year's draft? Also, is your brother working with everyone? Is he working with every quarterback? Every single one. I think there's like 19 quarter. I feel like he works with every quarterback. Even the guys that don't get drafted.

Um, no, I think, I think it's an interesting year. I think Bryce is going to go number one, probably to Carolina. He's got some concerns. He's not a big human being. Um, and I know there's been some success, some success of guys that are five, 10 to six, one and sub two, 10. He's definitely in that range and that is a concern. Um, if he had will levis's body, it'd be like done deal.

Like sorry, like he's done the night once in a generation. Yeah, they're just, you know, there's enough question marks around will. There's enough question marks around Richardson. Um, Hinden, you know, Hinden in Tennessee. There's enough question marks around him. There just isn't that guy that you go, he's it. And, and when, when you see this kind of clustering of quarterbacks that, you know, Bryce has got the best film.

Will's got the best, you know, Richardson and will have the best physique and body style, but the film isn't where it at. Like Stroud played the best game against Georgia and all of a sudden was super athletic and moving around like you hadn't seen him all career. I just feel like this is that perfect storm to set up for a bunch of guys that are going to get overdrafted. Yeah. There's going to be probably two or three guys go in the top seven picks,

maybe 10 picks and we're going to look back and go, man, he was a project. They knew it going into it. They knew he needed more time on that. Like he should have been 26th or 38th, but there's going to be some guys in the top 10 that are going to be overdrafted. And I think at the end of the day, if you're Carol, if you're Carolina, you want a guy that's going to play week one and the guy that's most ready to

play in week one is Bryce, but he's also got the lowest ceiling because he's been coached by the best of the best at Alabama. He's got tons of, you know, repetitions played against the best, played against probably all first and second round peen pick team on defense at Alabama, at Alabama, all those, you know, off season workouts and during the season playing against them every day in practice. He just, there's not a ton of upside like there was with Josh five years ago. You're getting a finished product.

He doesn't need to be coached a ton. He doesn't need to be taught a ton. He needs to learn that system, but you're seeing the peak of his game, you know, playing in the SEC where these other quarterbacks, you haven't seen Richardson reach his peak yet, probably will. Leviss is the same, but as far as being the most ready to step in week one, it's Bryce. So along those lines, and I know I think a lot of, you know, from our

perspective, we're fans. We hear the same cliches like the windows are smaller, the game goes faster. What is the one thing the transition from college to NFL that these quarterbacks are going to have to face that doesn't get talked about a lot? Well, the duration of the season, I mean, 17 games is, is that's two, that's two college football seasons, if not more, because each one of those hits in your 12 college football games, that guy's coming at you probably at, you know, a little bit faster.

He probably weighs 10, 10 to 15 pounds more. So they impact your body takes, it's taking now those same impacts. And double up those impacts because you're not just playing 10, 11, 12 games. You're playing 17 plus the two in the preseason, hopefully then a couple more in the playoffs. So just that, that year, I mean, especially these guys, these guys went, you know, Bryce played in the college football playoffs, then started training for the draft.

Well, no, then he started training for the combine, went through the combine, was traveling all over the country, doing all these visits, going to all these different events, lifting, running, boom, here comes the draft. He goes right from the draft to his city press cut. Like it's just a never ending season. And then training camp hits in late July. And then really the season starts. They haven't had a mental, emotional break.

They've had a little bit of a physical break, but now, you know, they're going into a whole new level of as safe as they've made the game for the quarterback. It is a physical, uh, you know, endurance test getting from, you know, the beginning of training camp in July, all the way till the end of December and into January, you're playing a lot more football. You're getting hit a lot more by a lot bigger, faster, stronger guys. Yeah, we were talking to Daniel Jeremiah from NFL network earlier, and he was talking about how quarterbacks are more protected at the NFL level than they are

in college. Now, obviously, like you said, you play more games, so there's, there's going to be more wear and tear. Did you notice a difference coming from college to the NFL? And this was obviously before the NFL really started protecting quarterbacks when you were playing. Um, was there any noticeable difference where you weren't getting hit late as much? You weren't getting roughed.

There was an element in college where boys will be boys, let them finish the play, that sort of thing. Yeah, I mean, I think now in today's game, there's a drastic difference between the, the protection that the quarterback gets in college compared to the NFL. I mean, every time the quarterback gets touched in the NFL, like the camera doesn't even care where the ball went. And if he's in the end zone or not, they're seeing what happened to the

quarterback. That's a drastic difference. Um, but man, when I first got in the league, it was not that way. I had, you guys remember Sean, big baby Rogers? Yes. Remember how big that dude was? He played for Cleveland and we were playing against them at the end of the year. And I ended up on the ground and he like kind of got pushed, but, but purposely

fell onto me and sat on me. He fell, his butt landed on my chest. And it was the last game of the season and he dislocated my sternum from my rib cage. That doesn't sound so. I was on my back and big baby lands on me and I felt like my, my, the top of my chest touched my spine. And so, and I watched it afterwards and it happened like eight seconds after the play.

I was still on the ground, there was still something and he just comes falling and lumbering and just puts all 300 and whatever right on my chest. And now, if that happened, he's fined arrested 15 year penalty and probably put in jail, but back in the day, it just happened all the time. Like you'd be on the ground and I learned from that. It was one of the first, my first couple of years I learned from that, that I don't care if the whistle's blown, you're always protecting, you know, you put your hand down and somebody steps, 300 pounder steps on your hand and breaks your fingers.

That can happen easy. And you used to always do that after the play. Now people are scared to death. You see during the play, they haven't even blown the whistle yet. There's guys hitting the quarterback with their hands up. It wouldn't like that. Yeah, I wouldn't like that. We saw it too.

He's trained with a jujitsu guy in the off season to learn how to fall correctly, how to fall without getting himself injured. Did you have to figure out like how to get tackled to minimize the impact? I think if you're trying to figure out how to fall correctly at 24 in year three in the NFL, that's a problem. Yeah. You learn, you learn how to, how to absorb hits in junior high and high school and like if you're, if you're trying to figure it out and trying to

perfect that part of the game in year two, three, four in the NFL, you're probably going to be getting hurt a lot. That's something you learn that you just need repetitions. The quarterback position is just time on task. How many repetitions can I get in games, in practices? And in those games, you learn how to absorb. If I'm falling down on the right, I'll always use my left hand to absorb some of the blows so it all doesn't go on my AC joint of my throwing shoulder.

That's not something you want to try to be learned during your NFL days. You want to learn that in high school. That's a good point because if, if you're a quarterback that's learning and trying to apply this new skill, you don't want your quarterback consciously thinking to himself during plays, how am I going to fall right now? That's not something, that's something that you need to have subconsciously already built into your system. That's a skill you already want built up and perfected by the time you're

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Yeah. Yeah. Uh, I got a question for you about the, uh, some of the defenses that you played against. Who is the most fearsome defender that you ever had to game plan for? I, it's not one guy. It's, it's two guys. It's Troy, Troy, Paul Amalu and Ed Reed, and they both played the same

position, but you had to prepare for them totally differently because one Troy was a inbox defender, meaning he was down by the line of scrimmage. He could blitz, he could cover a running back one on one. He could cover a tight end one on one. He very rarely was in open space, reading your eyes or reading the play unfold like Ed, Ed was Ed sat in center field. Anytime you get Ed one on one, which rarely happened, uh, that was a good situation to be on, on offense.

He was not a cover corner guy. He sat in the middle of field better than anybody I ever played against or anybody I saw and just let the play unfold and took chances and would be aligned to the curl or be aligned to the flat and make play on the ball where Troy was down there. You didn't know if Troy was blitzing. Um, you didn't know if he was going to cover. You didn't know if he was going to do that thing where he would take a

couple of steps back, like he was dropping into coverage and he could get to four, two speed and three steps. So he could be five yards away from the line of scrimmage and within two seconds he's in your lap and he just had that ability. But you know, for, for two players that played the same position, they played them so differently and I mean, Troy, from the run game, we had weeks where we were playing the Steelers. If Troy was on the right and the play was called to the right, I had the line

of scrimmage to change it to the left, which that doesn't, you don't rarely have a guy that takes over the run game and, and then you're letting the defense know by the third quarter, Hey, they're just running it away from Troy. Right. We know they're going to do that. And they're going to keep doing it because that's the best situation for them to be in where Ed, you never thought about in the run game, but man, every play in the past game, I knew where he was.

And I would get the ball, whether I was under center or in shotgun. And in my head, every play, I was like, okay, I got to set it at readup. I got to set it up. I got to look right, quick, come back to my left real quick and then come back to the right. And then the next time I do that, if we are running a similar play, I got to do the exact opposite because he's going to be breaking all of it down. I mean, he was unbelievable.

He was brilliant. Another guy that could close fast. I mean, he could be in a full backfetal. And in two seconds, he was running full speed forwards. I mean, just incredibly explosive. Those are two great answers. I was, I was hoping that you would also say Sean Taylor in there because there's one play in particular.

I remember that Sean picked you off and he came out of nowhere and the camera zoomed in on your face right afterwards. And you go like that mother fucker. It was, it was a perfect moment because he came out of nowhere. But yeah, I don't think that you'll find anybody arguing against Ed Reed and Troy Troy. Was he your roommate in college? Troy was a roommate.

Yeah, that's fucked up that you had to play against him in the NFL. And you're like, come on, man, like you still have 50 bucks in Madden. Yeah. Yeah, no, I had to play against him every day in practice. And he was a problem in practice. And then of course, he gets drafted at the same, same division, same conference. Would he ever say anything to you after a big hit? Not a word.

Not like, hey, my roommates. No, he, in fact, my first game starting, we were in Pittsburgh. It was a two minute drill at the end of a game. And he was plenty, he would come in. They would take him out of play and deep have safety in two minutes. Just because it's like, why put Troy back there? Let's get him somewhere closer to the football. And they put him at a linebacker position where he could drop on, on receivers

that are running shallow crosses like they do in two minute situations. Or a lot of guys are checking the ball down to running backs and he would blow them up and not let the running backs get out of bounds. So the clock would keep going. And so anyways, it's my first game where at Pittsburgh. We're, we're starting a drive and I throw a ball, gets tips, line of scrimmage, sure enough. Troy picks me off for the first time in our NFL careers.

And I start backpedaling and I'm looking for him and I can't find him because he's not a six, five safeties, like a five, eight safety. And I don't see him. And all of a sudden, like I'm, I'm backing up. I'm damn near on the goal line of my own goal line. And I see through like all of a sudden these jerseys spread out. And here comes Troy and he's coming right at me. And he lowers his head and puts it right on my AC joint on the goal line

and ran me over for a touchdown. And my, my shoulder has never been the same. And that was my first year playing in the national football. I'm still feeling, no, he never said anything. Damn, he was the night he was too nice. And then it made you mad because you're like, damn it, Troy. And he comes up, hey, how's the family? Troy, dude, I can't even, I can't move my arm.

I'm watching the highlight right now. And yeah, I'm waiting for you to get hit. This sucks to know that it's coming. It's coming. This is so funny. He was so goddamn good. He was so good. And the hair and everything.

Yeah. Has he run me over? Well, you kind of went for him. Yeah, I had to. Yeah, yeah, on the goal line. I know you could have made a business decision. I could have. Yeah, I was too young.

He was basically in there. Yeah. Yeah. Um, is you USC back? Yeah, USC's back. Do you guys have like a quarterbacks, like text chain, like all the over the years and like add Caleb Williams and like, Hey, buddy. No, it's we've got a text chain, but it's not all quarterbacks.

It's all all positions. OK, but proud Trojans. Yeah, proud Trojans. I mean, Caleb is incredible. So much fun to watch. He'd be the first pick in this year's draft. Yeah, you could come out. Yeah, without like talking like there's not a clear cut.

If he was in this draft, it would be Caleb Williams and then everybody else. He's not good. Yeah, he's phenomenal. So who would you say is the best? The best USC quarterback of, let's say, like going back to you. The best to come out since me. Yeah, you can include yourself too. Oh, well, I take me.

OK, yeah, good answer. Good answer. How awesome. There's been some. There's been some good. There's been some draft picks, though. Yeah, yeah, there weren't for a long time. But I mean, Sanchez, Liner. Matt Castle.

Yeah, he wasn't a draft pick, but he was a quarterback. John David Booty get drafted. He might have. Booty was a good player. There were some good great, great name, good player. There were some. There's been some good quarterbacks at SC. And I think now that Caleb, you know, that success, the fact that Lincoln's there, the fact that Lincoln, everywhere he goes, he coaches a guy that wins a Heisman.

There I think SC is going to continuously get the top one, two and three quarterbacks out of each high school class. How often was it just being like a Heisman winning quarterback on campus at USC? It was good. I bet it was. It was good. Those are the days. Yeah, that's like the besides the fact that there was no name, image

and likeness back then. So probably cleaned up. Oh, no, USC does definitely never paid any of their players. I never got paid. Oh, really? I would live the Troy and I lived in a four bedroom house in the hood on the on the wrong side of on the wrong side of Adams Boulevard. We had rats, spiders. There was a four bedroom house.

There was eight dudes in there. And we're paying like a majority of our stipend because rents expensive in California and L.A. But now, man, Caleb is living like must be nice. I mean, it's got to be good. Yeah, he's probably living like over there by Staple Center in one of those high rises. I feel like being being a USC quarterback who is, you know, obviously big man on campus,

that's probably the coolest situation you can be in in college football. It's pretty good. I mean, I obviously can't compare it to being in, you know, Baton Rouge, where you it's like LSU and only LSU or Tuscaloosa, where it's just that's all you got. There's a ton of Oregon grads. There's a ton of UCLA grads. But USC being having that tradition, playing at the Coliseum,

all the national championships, all the Hall of Famers that have come out of that program, it's pretty good in L.A. And now you've got if you're a quarterback, you got you're playing for Lincoln. I mean, he gets he's going to get you 25 touchdowns. You probably have to throw another 20 on your own, but he's going to get you 20 of them screened, dumping the ball off. I could throw 20 touchdowns. You could throw 20 in Lincoln system.

But man, now I mean, you've got history. You've got tradition. You're going and now I can't wait. I mean, going to the big house, going to the show. Yeah, you're big 10 now. Ohio State coming to L.A. I mean, you guys play pussy football. You'll find out just run over. We'll find out.

You're going to have to go to Piscataway, New Jersey. In like late November, John was licking his chops. Yeah, that's that's not going to that's a lose, lose game. Right. You should win. Oh, yeah. But you could lose. Oh, listen. It's just a lose, lose. There's a few of those in the big 10 schedule where it's like if you lose to Rutgers, it's like very embarrassing.

But every now and then they kind of pop up. Rutgers, they're salty. Yeah, good on defense. They run the ball. They're physical. Like there are some games in the big 10. You don't want on your schedule, but they're going to be on your schedule. But I mean, I can't.

S.C. Ohio State, S.C. Michigan, S.C. Penn State, like you could throw in Wisconsin, Wisconsin. Yeah, big house ball down your fucking throat. Yeah, but you can't throw it. Actually, we have Drake Mays, old offensive coordinator now. Phil Longo, you sound like a media guy. Yeah. So we have a coach, coach, another good guy.

We're going to run some pretty, pretty crazy offense. You just runs the football every well. And then every now and then, when you're not thinking, pass. All right, so you're going to run the ball. So Wisconsin, you're going to run the ball for 260 yards and score 17 points. No, no, no, no, no, no. Caleb Williams will throw the ball. Not OK.

And one pass for 17 yards. Caleb Williams is going to throw for 480 and six touchdowns. And no, he's going to throw for one touchdown in five interceptions in the red zone. It's going to be great. There will be a game where I will beat you. S.C. like seven to three. Yeah.

It's going to be some ugly big 10 football. Yeah. Wet, soggy field. Yeah. 33 degrees, like just cold enough for the balls. Wet. Everybody's tired. It's just one of those sloppy big 10 football. There's going to be some of those. Do you ever I have a couple of last questions. So your brother, Jordan, who's been on this show as well,

he is coaching a bunch of these quarterbacks. And he's made a really good career for himself. I see him all the time, like in media and everything. But are you ever like, Hey, man, I was so much better than you. Like I this is crazy. Though you check them. I would check them being like, you coach these quarterbacks. But if I wanted to, I could coach them better.

Well, I don't want to. And I can't. That's that's a misnomer. Just because you played doesn't mean you can coach it and make it relatable to the next player. But you could do it better than your brother. No. Yeah. He's a phenomenal coach. Because he coaches Mike. I have a 14 year old up and coming quarterback.

Oh, really? I'm not coaching him. No, I can't just because you can play doesn't mean you can like everybody assumes well, Tiger Woods would be the best golf coach in the world. He's probably a terrible golf coach. Yeah, he probably looks pretty good. Charlie Woods is awesome. Pretty good. He's an extra gift.

No, he's next. No, no, Charlie's put in a lot of work. He's next up. He's put in a lot of work. But you could put any coach that is halfway decent with Charlie, and he'd probably be pretty good. OK, no, I agree with that. We found out that Charlie Woods listens to the show. So we just any time his name.

Shout out, Charlie. Charlie, dude. Shout out, Charlie. We'll be your uncles, if you want. I can't wait. It looks like it looks like we can't really root for Tiger. I mean, he's he's my favorite golfer ever. But I love the fact that there's another Woods come. Oh, yeah. And I get to watch.

Yeah, my favorite golfer ever is Charlie Woods. For sure. Yeah, he hasn't done anything. You're on the bandwagon early. Oh, yeah. No, we are. Some may say a little too early. It's never too early. Like 14 years old. We're just gassing him up.

He's never too early. That's what bros do. Gassing our boys up. I love it. I love it. All right. So I have one last question. Roback question RHOBACK.com use code take 20% off Q zips polos and shorts shorts for the summer.

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and just all the shit that's going on right now? It's a safe haven. Yeah. I mean, with all the stuff that's happening in big cities and politically, everything that's happening elsewhere, you don't feel it in a smaller town and a smaller and I'm up in the mountains in the middle of nowhere. And people mind their own business. People like I had a lady come up to me like, oh, you played football. And this is like in April and she's like, when's your next game?

It's April. And I retired four years ago. And I was like, oh, that's so fun. Football, you know, people don't. That's great. Live and breathe and diet. You know, it's, you know, I when I first moved there, I didn't have direct TV installed yet. And I was asking somebody like, you know, Saturday, I want to go watch college football.

Like what what bars have TVs? Like there's no sports bars here. People are fishing, they're hunting, they're skiing, they're out camping. People don't go to the bar and watch games, which is really cool. That is if you're if you're a former pro athlete and you're looking to like raise your kids around some normalcy and not sign autographs and take pictures at dinner. It's been really great for our family. And and I don't like people in general.

So I like being out in the middle of nowhere and having my own space. That's awesome. I think we all like aspire to be like, yeah. Yeah, but come up also at the end of the day, if I found out they didn't have college football in a fell, I figured that part out. OK, you can watch every game. I got a great place to watch games. That is like my I have like anxiety when my wife's like, oh,

we should go to like Japan. I'm like, but they don't have sports. Yeah. Yeah. How am I going to watch the sports for that week? So yeah, as long as you have, you promise you have football. I've got college pro. Yeah, good at all. I love it. You could probably find that. OK. Good.

My last, last question. Can you just tell us a cool Bruce Arian story because he's the man and I'm sure that he put the full court press on you to recruit you or sat down, had a couple cocktails with you. Just like any experience you've had with Bruce that stands out. You know what my biggest regret with Bruce is is in all of the times I spent the hours and hours I spent in the film room, watching film when it was him in the back of the room with the clicker.

And then all of the offensive skill position players. And I was sitting there with my notebook. I wish I would have kept a separate notebook to just write down the names he called people. Yeah. I mean, he'd be mother effing a dude and call him some some string of foul language that you never heard of before in that. The chronologic, like the way he would say it. And some guy is getting threatened to be cut and I just couldn't hold.

I would just start laughing. And then a couple other people would feel comfortable to laugh because he would like call you a chicken fucker or just something. And he wasn't trying to be funny. He was so mad that you lined up in the incorrect spot and he was going to take advantage of letting you know in front of your peers. And he just couldn't. He would he would string together a new name to call somebody.

And I wish I would have. Yeah, because I would have this database of all these awesome names that I just thought, oh, I'll never forget that one. So I wouldn't write it down. But I wish I would have sat down there and wrote down all those names. And his players seem to love him for the most part. I'm sure there are some players that don't like him, they end up on the cutting side of things.

Yeah. But how how does he develop that relationship where he's like calling you mother fucker and screaming at you and like pointing out your mistakes for the team? But then you're like, that's Bruce. I love that guy. Yeah, it's not for everybody, for sure. You either can take it or you can't. I mean, at the end of the day, it's, you know, your ego is too big where it just frustrates you

and you storm out of the room or have an instinct, you know, a conversation with him that probably gets you cut. But at the end of the day, even if you're being called, you know, something, you know, a name that makes you feel lower than low, even if he's embarrassing you in front of the media or in front of your teammates at the end of the day, if the guy's right and you're incorrect, it kind of just is OK.

Because he wouldn't do it unless you screwed up. He wouldn't do it just because he felt like taking a shot at somebody. He would do it when you lined up two yards outside the numbers and you were supposed to be three yards inside the numbers or you went in short motion at half speed and you were supposed to go in short motion at full speed. So when you're getting MF'd up and down and berated and you're wrong. It's kind of in the NFL locker room. It's OK. Yeah.

If he's wrong and he doesn't admit. So hey, my bad, I yelled at you on the field, but now I'm watching this in the film and you ran a curl and I thought you ran a corner, but he didn't. He was never wrong. Yeah. So he he he got on you. He was hard on you, but it's because you deserved it. So it was OK.

And it didn't linger in guy. It didn't fester in guys and become a bigger issue later. I would just love to see him called Tom Brady a dumb motherfucker in the film room and just see how that relationship 100 percent. No, he's done it tons of times. And dumb motherfucker is the best of the best of the best. You can call it is complimenting.

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Easy win. Oh, buddy, he's really putting himself out there, buddy, Hank. I like the confidence. Speaking of failures, though, we talked about on the show, but our pickup basketball league came to an end last night. Oh, it wasn't a failure. It was a failure.

It wasn't a failure. I did have my highest scoring performance. I played my best game, so that felt good. Find the crack double digits. Three threes. Eleven points. No, I think I'd 15. Oh, I was doing it all. But we lost by four.

We had a we were playing a team with a. Spanish speaking mom, who was doing the scoreboard, just screaming at the team the whole time, like a like a helicopter mom, just going nuts. I love it. She's also doing the scoreboard and usually. Oh, was she cheating? I don't know. She was adding points. It was a little weird.

Yeah, if there was a game filmed the review, I think there was a couple of points to it. Now that might have missed, but that's all right. All of a sudden, the game got stopped and then mysteriously restarted and they had 12 more points. Yeah. It's election night all over again. So that was a failure. And then my Apple Watch is broken.

So it's just yesterday it said I had 5,000 steps or 5,000. I burned 5,000 calories. I was like, damn, I went hard. Like I'm really, really killing it. And then I woke up today and it said I already burned 3,000 calories. So I think it's just running. I don't know what's going on, but it's broken.

So it just gave me a false sense of confidence and like feeling good as I go. I crushed it today. Were you wearing it during the game? No. Oh. And it just has been burning calories for me in my sleep and just the entire day.

Hank, which hand do you wear your watch on? My right hand. On your right, interesting. Is there anything that you could do with your right hand that might inflate the number of steps that you were maybe taking? There is. Yeah.

But I don't wear it when I sleep or yeah. You take your Apple Watch off to jerk off? No. Well then, mystery solved. Yeah, maybe that's it. You're really active. Yeah, I thought, yeah, I just was, you know, I was like, damn, I crushed it yesterday.

Then I woke up today. It was like 3,000 calories burned already. I was like, oh, it's broken. I'm sorry. All right, PFT. My firefest is that I've been using, so I moved my mom into her new place over the course of the last week.

And so I've been zooming in this week and we've been recording part of my take, parts of it remotely, which I'm sure you guys have noticed if you've been watching the YouTube. And the Wi-Fi upload speed has been pretty slow. I've been having to keep my computer on for about five minutes after we're done recording to make sure that it all gets uploaded in time

because she doesn't have Wi-Fi yet. We're trying to get that set up. So I've been using free Wi-Fi for the past several days. And I've been using this Wi-Fi from one of her new neighbors in her senior living facility. Pirating. I've been pirating Wi-Fi from an elderly person. I've been stealing Wi-Fi from an old person,

basically, for the last week. And it's been slow, but it's been getting the job done. And I mentioned that to the guys after we were done recording last time. And then I started to feel very guilty about it because I realized that I was- We also- It's slowly stealing candy from the baby. We also were like, all of us were like,

damn, she just said that on the show. Yeah. Yeah, so I'm sitting on the show now. So I don't have my own Wi-Fi yet, but I'm working on getting Wi-Fi set up at her place so that when I am down there, I can record the show and everything will be smooth. But in the meantime, I'm sorry to whoever lives

on the sixth floor and in adjoining room. You're probably not using your Wi-Fi that much. Yeah, you're a Wi-Fi pirate. I'm a pirate. I'm a pirate. You're a pirate. I've always wanted to be a pirate. You're a pirate.

That's pretty cool. You're a bonafide pirate. Sailing the high seas of the Seamble Living Facility. All right, my fire fest is, so Minci, everyone knows him from Wake Up Minci, the hit show, who sponsors, well, we have sponsorship on Wake Up Minci. He's a paid spokesperson.

Yeah, sell a blue coffee and pardon my cheesesteak. I made a bet with him about a month ago that he can't run a 10K under an hour. And I said that if he does it, I will donate $10,000 to charity. He did it. And what I realized is, Jake, write this down, don't ever do this again.

When you tell someone, when you make someone a bet for charity that they can't do something and then they do it, you become the ultimate loser because not only do people like, ha ha, you were wrong, then they also don't say like, good job on the charity. Yeah, you get no credit for that. No credit at all.

And also he kind of weaseled and got me up to $12,000, but I donated it and everyone was like, you're an idiot for doubting him. And I was like, wait, but I just donated money to charity. So you don't get anything, except the kids got something, they got the money, but Jake, don't tell me never to do that again.

I had the theory that you can bet someone- Donate to charity? No, no, bet someone. And my theory was working for a while. It was like, I can bet him to do this. He won't do it. And then like, I look like a hero for saying I would have donated charity.

Yeah, well- And he did it. I had to donate, which I'm happy to do, but I also was getting like dragged for doubting him. But also if he runs it the second time and he doesn't accomplish it, then- I still have to do it. You still have to do it because otherwise,

like how many kids out there could, you would have killed kids. Right, I'd rather just give to charity and not also become a loser doing so. I have an idea. What? Next time you should like say it was 10K, you should say originally you're gonna do five.

You know what, I'll double it, I'll give 10. So you look at a good guy for doubling what you originally said you were gonna do. Yes, yes, matching my match. Yeah, that's smart. Yeah, that is smart. Or you can say, here's 5K and if you do it, I'll do the other 5K.

But then that gets in the same spot where people are like- And then you hope that he doesn't do it so you're like, here's the 5,000 though. Yeah, yeah, I just, I ended up being a loser. I was a loser. He was a failure. I mean, I should have been applauded and, you know- Good for you for donating.

Thank you, Billy. Good for you. Should have been a parade in the streets. Not that I'm looking for one, I donated anonymously. So no one knows who donated. Yeah, I did the same. I actually told, in my description, when he first ran it, I gave him $5,000 and I wrote my name down as anonymous.

But then they, you know, you have to get the email on there. Right. So I put the email in and then Menci texted me, he was like, thank you so much. I was like, very cool, just make sure that you don't tell anybody that it was me that did it. Menci takes a screenshot, all of a sudden. Do you believe the whole thing out?

The world knows and then I'm embarrassed because I gave $5,000 and you hadn't given anything yet. Yeah, I know. Giving to charity rocks. It feels great when you give to charity. So I got that feeling of, feeling great giving to charity, like Rob, because everyone's like, you're a loser.

Yeah, actually, as a matter of fact, I can't believe, I just said out loud that I gave $5,000. Can you delete that part where I admitted to accidentally donating $5,000? We'll cut that, no problem. All right, Billy. So I got home the other night, we were recording late one night, I forgot which day,

so then I went in, turned my AC on. Wait, what? Where were we recording late one night last night? Yeah, and you forgot which day? Yeah, anyway. What does that mean? Was it Sunday? Yeah, it was Sunday.

I don't know, I don't know your life. I don't know your story here. We got home late on Sunday, right? And I go to turn on my AC and then I go to sleep and then I wake up and the air smells like sweet. Yeah? And I was like, what the fuck? Like, why does the air smell sweet?

And I thought, am I using a new detergent or something? And then... Oh, we remember the last time that happened. Yeah, I know. Then I'm like... You look like you got hit by a shovel that was, the shovel was covered with bees. We're not out of the woods.

We're not out of the woods. There wasn't detergent on that. It was literally a guy with the shovel, bees all over the shovel, and he just kept on whacking you in the face as the bees stung you. Once this picture airs, I mean... Anyway.

And they just injected a bunch of salt so you're really puffy too. Yeah, so I was smelling the air. I was like, it smells like laughing gas. Oh. It's like, what the fuck? The Joker was around your house? No, it's like, is someone trying to incapacitate me

and kidnap me or something? Yeah, of course. And I got panoid. A normal thought. I was like, what the fuck? Who's gassing me in my own house? I realized that my AC was leaking free on. Oh, okay, yeah.

So if you have an old AC unit and you start smelling sweet air, it could kill you. Okay. So just like... I actually can't kill you. I think it could just make you sick. So let me get this straightened.

We'll go fact check that later. You smelled something weird and your brain immediately went to someone is trying to gas me. Well, it smells like laughing gas. Yeah. You're not paranoid. It's just the whole world's out to get you.

Well, when you fire off the takes that Billy fires off, it's like that movie conspiracy theory with Mel Gibson. Like one of Billy's theories is bound to be correct. And so there's just a list of potential suspects that you've angered. Billy's like the CIA finally found my address. No, he's probably like Jose Canseco

hacked into my air conditioning unit. Yeah. Also Lancaster PA is a great town to go to college in. There's a lot of young people. And Latinas. Yeah. Like if you're looking, if you're like a young football player,

Lancaster PA would be a great place to play college football. If there's any colleges there, maybe check them out. For green, it's definitely a lot of cool places. All right. I don't know. I got in trouble for another thing. What, what, what, what, what?

Nothing. That was just an open endorsement of Lancaster, Pennsylvania. Don't bring your girlfriend there though. Yeah, don't bring your girlfriend there. She gone. Go, go find Nadeau and he'll take you to the place. Yeah. OK, well, I, I don't know.

This is, this is, these are my favorite moments where it's like an inside joke just with his brain. And if there's offensive lineman coach there, he's really cool. OK, really, really cool. What's school, hypothetically? What did you do? Nothing, it's fine.

To Lancaster. All right, here's what colleges are in Lancaster? A bunch of them. Such as? Like Story D3 football programs, like Franklin and Marshall. And what did you do to the coach? Did you say he was a pedophile? What'd you do?

Nope, nothing. He's a really cool guy. Yeah, Franklin and Marshall, Elizabeth Town. Is that in Lancaster? Yeah, Pennsylvania College of Health and Science. Just a really great program. What did you do at the university? Just tell us what you did.

I, I, I, let's say you're a college football coach. You want to recruit kids to Lancaster, Pennsylvania. Yeah. It's a really cool place. What did you do? Our show of hands out there, anybody that's listening, just I'm going to cut Billy off from the story because it's another classic Billy story

where it's not going to resolve anything and he's just going to talk himself into more trouble. But just show of hands. If you understand what Billy's getting at, just reply to us, I get it. If you don't get it, just reply, I don't understand what Billy's talking about. We'll see.

There's probably five people out there that get this. One of them being the coach probably. Yeah. And that's probably it. I got him a little in trouble at his job. What did you do? He's my friend. And what did you do?

I made Lancaster, Pennsylvania sound bad. Did you just call it, did you just call it land cancer? You just made it worse. It is bad. Anyway, it's a really great program. Okay. And Latinas. It's a good firefest, Billy.

Don't forget the Latinas. What are you talking about with Latinas? That's the dude's like, Lee and Caster PA's got the best Latinas. I don't have time. It's like, really? In the middle of Pennsylvania? Sure.

I feel bad about this one. Yesterday I went to the park to play pick a ball. That's tough to say. It's scary. Did you bring protection? Just in case? Like the rucker park of pick a ball? Are you one of the people

that take up the basketball courts with pickleball courts? No. Yeah, that was a good no from Jake. He knew the no was just brewing it. Yeah. And I was playing against this lady and I was up in the net. Oh no.

And I slammed it into the net. Like it's a random lady that you met? You're just playing pick up games with old ladies? They're good. They can play. You just show up. You put your paddle in a line and then the next four people up,

they just go in a line. That's so awesome. How old? I had a lady, she was probably in like 30s or 40s. Was she hot? This is an impossible question to answer. No, it's pretty easy to answer. Was she hot?

It's either the bonk list or? No. I'm rude. Nope. We will never know who this woman is. No. You fucking bashing ugly chicks. No, no.

The top of her head I felt really bad and I was kind of rattled. Did at least like make her nose look better? No, she didn't get her. Did you win? Yeah. Okay. So she was being horny, you could just said you bonked her.

Yeah. Yeah, so I felt bad, but. That is so funny that you go and just fucking hustle old ladies for pickleball glory. No, I'm telling you. The noise isn't all. Age. Age and ah, ah.

How much did you guys play for? Nothing. Age is not a thing in pickleball. If you're good, you're good. You can hang. I'm pretty sure though you'd rather be like 25 than 70. Fair, but in tennis you can't really make that comparison in terms of playing on the same court.

How do you, how do you like. I know the rules now about that. Okay, so I'm at the pickleball court. I'm a six year old lady. You walk up, how do you start the proposition of playing? So you put your paddles in a line on the floor and then the next four paddles up are up. It's literally pickup.

Like, you know, you say there's five, like there's four on the ground. Next four are up. Did you play one on one? No, it's doubles. Singles is frowned upon because you hog up the space. Yeah, yeah. I actually have a real bone to pick

with these pickleball players. Cause they play pickleball adjacent to basketball courts or they even try to play on the court. And then what happens is a little fucking pickleball rolls onto the basketball court while people are playing. They look, ooh, and they don't say anything to anybody and then dudes roll their ankles on the fucking pickleballs.

This sounds like a real problem. Yeah, it is a real fucking problem. Just because you don't want to pay a membership, it's some like racquetball club that you like. Pickleball's a new sport, Billy. Sport of the future and it's just not masculine enough for Billy, similar to the hot dog. Yeah, that's true.

Billy would never eat a hot dog. No, I have a real grip. Like, people would, a real gripe, a real gripe. I have a real gripe because the ball rolls on the basketball court and can easily take out someone's ankle. Like, have you ever stepped on a baseball? It sounds like it could easily happen though.

But a basketball can never roll on the pickleball court and someone, a pickleball player, can't roll there. Yeah, Billy, you're a sportist. Yeah. No, I mean. No, you are. Because everyone's hustling towards the basket. You think it's a pussy sport because you're not good at it.

No, I don't like how inconsiderate they are of other people's face. They act like they're better than everybody. What did Billy, oh, Frisbee golf. Billy sucked at it and was like, this isn't a real sport. Well, because he was too strong for it. And I got ticks that way. If you're not good, you're just not a real sport.

Which, I mean, that's a great spin zone to have. That's actually my barometer. If Jake is good at it, it's not a sport. Yeah. Golf? Dude. I'm not even that good at golf, but I'm decent. Golf is life.

It's not a sport. That's fair. The difference between me and you. Jake is just dominating older women at pickleball. I'm telling you, if you play pickleball, you know that age, gender, it doesn't matter. Next time you dominate an older woman at pickleball. Everyone plays together.

Everyone plays together. OK, but next time you dominate an older woman at pickleball, I need like a selfie recap in like, just sit down this woman. Sunday morning in the West Village. There's games for advanced players only. I'm going to go to those. You're going to try and dip your foot in the dirt. You just put a fucking star on your back, dude.

Yeah, everyone should show up if you're in any of those put stars on people. Yeah, that's true. Jake. Billy's friend. He's not my friend. He's not my friend. I know some people take that seriously.

Why? You just never met him? No. No. No. No. Not a good guy. Terrible guy.

OK. Any good ideas? I would beat the shit out of Hitler if he was here. OK, nice. Oh, we weren't even talking about him. Yeah, wow. OK. OK, that's weird.

Jake, so let me ask you this. You said that age nor gender matters when you're playing pickleball. Do you think that Leah Thomas should be allowed to compete? Yeah, good question. I'm going to put you on the spot. Question, though. We're not going to go down this angle.

Good question. We're not? That's the pronoun that you're going to use there? OK. They are not. Well, like us as a society today. If we go down this road, this podcast episode would be a failure.

All right. What, to just talk about it? I think. You don't want to acknowledge it at all? It's not even real? What did you say about Lancaster PA? Like, what? What did you say?

I have a friend who's in football, and he has to recruit kids to Lancaster PA. And a kid he recruited said, I'm not coming because of Billy Football? Billy Football. Lancaster PA is an awesome college town. But you said that it wasn't? I mean, it sounded like it wasn't.

OK. And it's hard being a young college football coach. Yeah, sounds like you're making it harder. Yeah. OK. Go to Lancaster PA. That is our show. We got the boys on Monday.

Will Confidential Luan. And Tuck, all the playoff action. Hank, have you ever gotten this? Nope. You're really salty about what happened. No, I'm happy for you. We were saying before, like, the fact that I've gotten it twice in three years

and you claim that I have the best seat was very funny. Why do you got switch seats? I had, like, four texts written back to Max home yesterday. I just, I didn't, I deleted them out of respect. Yeah, he did. He did congratulate BitCat on the group thread. I was very, you know, it's nice for people to support each other. Also, I'd like to say, hey, AWLs, great job so far

on the Max home of stuff. Yes. Spicy Meatball, Mamma Mia, Let's Go Max. These are all great things that we're saying. Yes, and AWLs. I thought you were going to say, AWLs, I've been seeing in the comments, like, a shit load of people are getting the lottery.

That is true. It's way more common. It's nuts. If you get the lottery, don't feel like you got it. It does not count. No, it counts. No, I ask. Show of hands.

I'd say it counts. Counts. Max says it counts. Jake says it counts. I wasn't listening. What was the question? Yeah. OK, that's perfect.

Let me sell a Lancaster. Rum, Springer, Amish girls. Numbers. They all go to Lancaster when they want to party. 18. You're a bad guy. What? I got 17.

I'm going to go 99. You want 17? Yeah. Nah. Keep in mind, when someone gets it, they usually go and runs. Billy and I got it back to back before. We also got it separated within a week, 20. In the fall.

So when someone gets it, we can get hot. I feel good about six for Hank. What do you have, Nyan? Yeah, I took 99. I know I'm going to kill myself if six hits here, because I offered him 17. Should I give him 17? No, no deal.

Do you want to switch cases? Yeah, do you want it? You want 17? I'll take 17 if you want 99. No, I have 17. But you have six? You're sick with six. All right.

18. I got a bad feeling about six right now, guys. Bad, bad feeling. 63. That would have destroyed me. It had a six. That would have destroyed me. Doesn't count.

Hank, you're getting worse. Six times. You're getting worse. Yeah, I don't think it's happening before Chicago. No, I mean, the other thing is, Hank, I heard the I, like, 96. Did you hear the boobers? Did you hear people saying, like, do you hear people saying,

Hank, have you ever gotten it? What do you mean? Like, people say that, right? That's all people say. Right. People started saying to me, big guy, you've only got it once. I heard that. I used it as motivation.

I went out and got it. I'm happy for you. Thrilled. Love you guys. Giraffes have seven vertebrae in their necks. I'm talking away. So I don't know what I have to say. I'll say that he waits.

Today's another day to find. Shine away. So I'll be coming for your love of faith. For your love of faith. Love of faith. Take on me. Take me on. I'll be gone.

But I won't take the lead. Needless to say, I'm all to send in. But I'll be a little bit away. But I won't take the lead. Say after me. I've forgotten to be safe and sorry. Take on me. Take me on.

I'll be gone. But I won't take the lead. Say after me. Just to play my worries away. You're all the things I've got to remember. Will you shine away? I'll be coming for you anyway. Take on me.

Take me on. I'll be gone. But I won't take the lead.