Pardon My Take - Charissa Thompson, 4X World Series Champ Bruce Bochy, CFB And The Bills Are In Trouble

Episode Date: November 15, 2023

The Bills are broken. We talk MNF and the resurgence of Russell Wilson (00:00:00-00:20:20). College Football talk, Harbaugh remains the best quote, Jimbo fired, Jayden Daniels Heisman and getting JMU into a bowl game (00:20:20-00:51:26). Hot Seat/Cool Throne including Hank’s final lighthouse report asking what exactly is real? And the Waterdogs are in Philly (00:51:26-01:21:47). Charissa Thompson joins us in studio to talk football, TNF, her career in broadcasting, blocking out the haters and more (01:21:47-02:00:27). Texas Rangers Manager Bruce Bochy joins the show to talk about the World Series Run, managing baseball, Tim Lincecum, his love of baseball and more (02:00:27-02:34:29). We finish with guys on chicks (02:34:29-02:41:33).You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/PardonMyTake

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They might be dead. They might be dead. They might be dead. Let's talk window. You got to talk window. Ready? Ready? That's closed.

You think it's officially closed. I think they're about to jump out of the window. That was a very bad Monday night football game. Hank, why are you taking a picture of me? He's doing a TikTok. He's doing a TikTok. He's doing a TikTok. I didn't mean to stop. He's doing TikTok.

I had the camera in the air. I had the over under on when we were gonna get pissed off at Hank during this show, at being five and a half minutes into it, smashed the under on that one. You know what, Hank is probably one of those, please a plant, he's a comment section plant. Yeah.

Because he was trying to derail us, because we were actually gonna bash the bills. He's one of the guys who like like you guys never say anything bad about the bills. You guys are pushing your frauds. He was trying to get us off our game. I'm going to do here's what I'm going to do. I'm going to start my own tick tock. It's going to be one second with Henry Lockwood for the entire year. One second a day. I like it. 365. That's the teacher. Yeah. 365 days of grumpy Hank grumpy Hank. Okay, the bills are bad. They're in trouble. Sean McDermott bad

Kendorsi fired, which is we know it. It's shuffling the deck chairs on the Titanic when you start firing offensive coordinators defensive coordinators in the middle of the season. It usually is not a great sign. I have a question for you, big catch with Kendorzi. Yeah. Did Kendorzi put 12 guys on the field at the end of the game last night? Kendorzi also didn't throw the interceptions that Josh Allen has been throwing more of. He has been bad. I think they need to get an offensive coordinator installed that will tell Josh Allen harder not to turn the ball over. It's the, we know Josh is a gunslinger. I still think he's very good quarterback. This season has not been good because if you look at his numbers,

you can live when Josh Allen is in the high 30s and like the 10 to 15 interception range. Right now through 10 weeks, he's at 19 touchdowns, 11 interceptions. The interception on first down at the end of the half when he basically gave them three points. That was really, really bad. And I like, you can't win football games when you're when you're careless with the football like Josh Allen's been. He's been bad. Something is wrong. Maybe it is the offense coordinator. I think it also just needs Josh needs to have like a come to Jesus moment of like, Hey, I can't be a superhero on every single play.

I have to take care of the football better because you're putting your defense in a bad spot. You're putting in your team in a bad spot when you throw those type of interceptions. I thought the defense didn't play poorly at all. So they played well. They played pretty well. Broncos had the ball and like at the 50 yard line every, every, every draw. Yeah.

The Broncos lived in between the 30 yard lines for like this entire game So the defense and Buffalo is not the issue Although it is kind of weird that they put 12 guys on the field for that field goal at the very end McDermott also had you remember he had 12 guys maybe even 13 guys on the field at the end of that Vikings game He did that on purpose that they didn't well. Yeah, did that on purpose like was this was this on purpose and hoping that they didn't call it because it was such a short field goal. It was I don't know. It was it was a comical ending of the game because it was like Sean Peyton was also trying to lose the game by doing using his timeouts and then doing the rush on the field fire drill. But the biggest takeaway from this game and we'll talk about the Broncos in a second because Russell Wilson actually does look good.

Is the bills are broken. And they right now, I would say almost, I don't think they're going to be in the playoffs. I don't think they are either. They have a really tough schedule. They're five and five now. And it feels like everything, whatever it was, it was, you can point back to the 13 seconds, you can point back to tomorrow, Hamlin, the Bengals game last year in the playoffs, but something is very broken. And it feels like there's blame to go around a lot of places.

Josh being, he's a quarterback. He gets the blame when they don't win. And he gets the blame when he throws bad interceptions. And I think Sean McDermott, who has, he has had some bad moments this year, the 13 guys on the field, the, the weird travel to London where the bills clearly were sleepwalking the first half. Also, Sean McDermott, I know this is old school coaching. James Cook fumbles on the first play of the game. Doghouse James Cook. I think it was his second fumble in his career. Now he did

have some other weird moments because I think it was was that was Josh's fault on the handoff, but then he also fumbled and picked it up, which was the coolest play ever later in the game. Why would you bench your guy who is they came out in the end of the second quarter and they had a touchdown drive where everything looked great and it all started because James Cook was running the ball and being explosive and everything fed off that. You basically sat one of your key parts of your team because he fumbled the ball in the first place makes no sense. It makes no sense.

Coaches have dog houses for running backs. They don't have dog houses for quarterbacks. Or kickers, imagine if you're in. No, no, Vagif you bench kicker in game. Yeah, after you missed it, that's what I'm saying. Or if you bench your quarterback because he threw an interception really in the game, it's only running back, skip putting the dog houses. Like I can't trust this guy.

Well, maybe James Cook has had a significant enough body of evidence to prove that maybe he can hang on to the football for a while. Right. It was like a recurring thing where you fumble and granted running backs, it's not like you're running the ball as often as you're passing in most offenses. Yeah.

So if you throw one in a section every like 35 passes, not as big a deal as if you fumble once every like 12 carries. So I understand that, but James Cook is a good player. It didn't really make a lot of sense that they were like, we're just gonna do Latavius Murray. Yeah, let's build our offense.

He's 20, 23 around Latavius Murray. He's 33 in running back years, he's like 35, but yeah, he was, he made some questionable decisions. I thought that the bills, the bills offense would not be this discouraging if they didn't turn the ball over all the time. Like it looks like they've got guys in space sometimes. Josh Allen, you could say it's a bad year. You could also point at either the madden curse or what I think is more likely the room 40 curse. Ever since Josh Allen disgracefully desnuts us

on these very airwaves in front of children, he hasn't been the same quarterback. Maybe he needs to apologize for that. I'm not sure. But Josh, I like Josh as a person. I want him to do well. I root for Josh every time he plays. He's electric to watch when he's playing well. He has not played well this year. No, he's not played well.

And he has to figure out the turnovers because it feels like it's gotten progressively worse in the last few years. I think he has 71 interceptions since 2018. And I also think there's a, arm strength is a great asset to have, but it also can be a negative when you think you can make every throw all the time.

I've watched it before with Cutler, Farve had a little of this where it's like, my arm is so strong that I don't care what the coverage is, and figuring out how to maybe take a little off and also say, I don't have to make every throw. Not every throw has to be, oh, these guys are covered, but my arm is so strong I can get it in there. That decision making has to fix,

because otherwise the bills are, I mean, again, I don't think they're gonna make the playoffs this year, but we're talking long term now. Like, this is something that he's got to start fixing right now so that he can build on it going into next year. I, the other, the other thing is Kendoorce. I do, I have no problem with Kendoorce being fired in the fact that some of the play calling is absolutely like tragic.

The fourth and one shotgun. Why any team that's in fourth and one and go shotgun should, the O.C. should be fired right away. Yeah. You have to get one yard and you're like, now let's get seven yards. It's crazy, it's crazy. I hate that.

And it seems like they're running backs, they're on their heels, the quarterbacks are on their heels, they don't get a great running start. Just do man football. Man football. Whatever happened to eye formation, whatever happened to a pro set, whatever happened to offset eye,

whatever happened to a good old fashioned full back big cat, whatever happened to a good old fashioned fullback big cat Whatever happened to two yards in a cloud of that. What about John Kuhn? If you need if you need two yards, he'll get you three if you need five yards, he'll get you three Yeah, it's it feels like they overthink all these things We also now have Stefan digs his brother Said got to get 14 out of there feels like I, we've been on Diva watch with stuff on, but it's, it is feeling like it's hit a critical point.

Everything feels wrong in Buffalo. I feel bad for the people of Buffalo, but I think that they, everything we're saying, they know and they have known for, you know, the majority of this season that everything is broken, and you have to figure out a way to fix it because you paid Josh a lot of money and he's got it, he's got it, it starts with him

and the interceptions. I feel like Josh misses, misses Dable. I think they had something really good together. I like Joe Brady though. Joe Brady was half of the offensive mind behind Joe Burrow when he was at LSU. He wasn't great in Carolina. He wasn't put again, he was in Carolina.

Now he's got a new chance. He's got a new chance, he's got a new chance. He's got a better quarterback I'm excited to see what they do But yeah, I don't think that the bills are gonna make the playoffs I don't think it's gonna happen and they they their schedule is a gauntlet now So that was supposed to be one of their easy wins especially at home and they almost what that's the thing that's frustrating with the bills as Bad as they have looked they almost won that game last night You know what I mean like they they go up with a minute left.

That's just kind of how they've been living where even in their bad games, it's like, oh, they could win this game. They play the jets who have their number at Eagles, at Chiefs, Cowboys at home. How many of those are at night? That's the big question because this year, Josh Allen has seven.

Only one, seven touched out. Well, no, I guess he has what eight touchdowns now and nine interceptions. Actually, none of those none of those four I listed her at night. The charge is good. The following week is a night game. That's very good because Josh Allen this year has turned into Kirk cousins in prime time. Yeah. What are you going to say? That makes no sense. What? Those aren't night games. One of those games should be a prime time game. You think it'd be flex. Should be. Which one? Vegas, Toreco, be like, let's go. Chiefs, dolphins, or cowboys? Not not dolphins. Jets, Eagles, Chiefs, Cowboys. Eagles, Chiefs, or Cowboys. Yeah. versus the Chargers.

Yeah, Chargers. Well, that works. Got to like block certain games. So like, those are going to be America's game of the week with Nancy Romo for some of them, because they're all four PMs. Star. Yeah, Josh has not been good in prime time this year. Also, the Chargers game is the peacock exclusive game. Oh, the cock exclusive Saturday night. Yeah. All right, other side of this game, the Broncos. I don't know how it happened, but Russell Wilson looks better and I don't want to say

all the way back, but he is playing winning football and making plays with his feet and making nice passes and not making the mistakes. I, it's, I'm kind of rooting for him because we ourselves included all of the media. Everyone has spent like a year and a half shitting on him. And what do we love to do is media and as Americans, as we love to tear someone down and then be like, you know what, we're rooting for you to come back. Yeah, but it's what we're doing. It's so fun to shit on Russell Wilson.

I know what it's so fun and I like doing it. But yeah, he looked good last night. And for the last couple of weeks, he looked good. He beat Patrick Mahomes and Josh Allen. Yeah, to back. Pretty hard to do. And now, let's see, this would be a two game winning streak for the Broncos when they're up at halftime.

Before these last two games, the Broncos were O and 10 in their last 10 games where they had a halftime lead. No, three games, three games in a row. It's three games in a row. Three games in a row, they've done it. So it was against the chiefs and then who else? Packers. The packers they had a halftime lead, three games in a row after going O and 10 with leads

at halft time. It does feel like they might have they might have found something to turn something around. Russell to your point, like when he's making plays with his feet, he's a completely different player. I think for the last four or five years, Russell got into the mindset of, oh, I'm too valuable to this team. I don't need to use my feet as much. I don't want to get hurt. I don't want to take hits, which yeah, there's a time and a place for that to be like a little bit more conservative and to get rid of the ball and to not want to run

and avoid some of the linebackers taking clean shots at you. But it also makes you a worse quarterback when you are good with your feet and you don't use them at all. Yeah. And so he was doing that, he was taking hits down field, he was scrambling, he was avoiding line, he looked good, Russell Wilson actually looked good last night. Yeah. He's looked

good for the majority of this season. It's funny because I feel like Sean Payton neged him into being good. Yeah. It's like all the talk has been Sean Payton has already moved on from Russell Wilson. He didn't pick Russell Wilson. This is going to be a they're going to draft the future of the franchise. Sean Payton is going to be here long after Russell Wilson. This is going to be a they're going to draft the future of the franchise. Sean Peyton is going to be here long after Russell Wilson is gone. Uh, and now I feel like that having that in your relationship where Sean Peyton's like, I don't really care about you. Like you stink at football. Russell was like, no, I don't. I'm still good. He, uh, he fixed him by neutering him. Yeah. Which is just like ignoring dogs. Yeah. But he, he like took away his balls. I said, I, I'm the big sack in town.

I could care less whether you hear or not. And then you have to prove to me that you're gonna be the quarterback. And also, you're not allowed to bring your own trainer into the locker room. Yes, you know, I'd have an office that no one else can go into. Hank, do you have an office?

No. The NC has one here. The last thing I had about the Broncos, Patrick Sirten is awesome. He completely shut down Stefan Diggs when he was up against him. Credit to the Broncos because I know there was going to be a fire sale. I'm a big believer if you have really good players, you should try to keep him. And he's a really good player and he's young and trying to keep him. And also Mims is electric as a punt return. That was a part of the field position is he had a couple that flipped the field for the Broncos. That was pretty much it. Yeah. Yeah.

He had he had some nice returns and we would be talking about this game completely differently if they had missed that first field goal and it stood like if I we we still would be saying. Oh no, I would still say the bills are broke. We still would be saying that there's bad things about the bills. Would we give Russell Wilson and the Broncos as much credit if that kick goes in? Probably not as much, but it's just like, it's so funny how like one small outcome like that can determine being optimistic about the Broncos future. Because I think if you're a Broncos fan, you watch this game and this is a game that you lose every single time for the last two years and you somehow figure out a way to win it.

You're feeling good. You're feeling really good about yourself this morning, but things, it was a very, very fine line between winning and losing. Now granted, the bills are definitely broken, even if they had lost that game. Yes. Or even if they had won that game, they're definitely broken. Yes. No, they're completely broken.

It's a debacle right now for Buffalo. And again, they have the gauntlet coming up. I do think that the Broncos, yeah, I mean, look, I guess they could find a way back into the playoff picture. I'm not going to say they're going to make the playoffs. They're in the hunt. They've at least found a way forward if Russell Wilson is going to be on the roster next year.

I know it's contract. There's a weird shit where they have to cut him at a certain point. But he's playing to a level where it's like, maybe we can figure out a way to use our assets, our picks for something else besides a quarterback. Yeah, I'm gonna defer to Florio on the contract stuff. He's always like right on top of that. That's the one thing that Mike Florio was great at.

He can like identify a loophole on when you can get rid of a quarterback. You remember he had Derek Carr before anybody else did. So Floreo, do some work on that. When could the Broncos potentially move on from Russell Wilson? Yes. Okay. Let's do some college football talk. We got a lot of college football to get to.

Is there anything else in the NFL that we missed? I was gonna say weirdly enough, something I footballed this week is between the two hottest teams in the NFL that we missed? I was gonna say weirdly enough, something I football this week is between two hottest teams in the league. Broncos Vikings. Who would have thought a few weeks ago out of called Flex to the year on that now? It's actually gonna be a good game.

Let's do the year. What is your flex to the year? I'm still looking into it. Do you get more excited about the schedule than the actual games? I think so. Yeah, it's crazy. Yeah, I do.

I think that actually is the truth. Where you're like, look at this schedule. It's like, it's crazy. Yeah, I do, I think that actually is the truth where you're like, look at this schedule. It's like, you're like a little kid who like you give them a piece of candy and they don't want to eat it because they like to just have the piece of candy. Yeah, like I don't want to watch the football. I just want to know that the football is gonna become

a big deal, but yeah, it's like, the schedule's way, yeah. Jake, can you predict what the highest rated game this year will be from now until the end of the season starting now? Yeah, starting now I can look at I care about ratings That's how I judge whether or not a game is good or not. Yeah, okay Before we get to college football game time We've got two weeks left in the regular season the college football season

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they actually were already on the plane too happy valley. So it's Friday. It was Friday. He found out by social media, so did word, word manual, who is the AD for Michigan. Jim Harbaugh suspended, didn't coach the game on Saturday against Penn State. And Jim Harbaugh went in front of the media yesterday and gave The most Jim Harbaugh quotes of all time. So he first started by saying Michigan is America's team He said it's got to be America's team America loves a team the Beats the odds beats the adversity overcomes what the naysayers and the critics the so-called experts think well They yeah, they do rely on a network of clandestine surveillance to accomplish everything.

I can see what that would align with the USA. The adversity is my favorite part of this because it feels like the adversity was created by Michigan. Cut their own leg off. Yeah. Look at me just gutting this out on one leg. Cut your own leg and be like, I can barely walk. This is crazy.

Yeah, I first of all was shocked to see Jim Harbaugh in front of the media at all because I thought that he died. Yes. I thought he was dead because, um, after the game, when Shroud Brown gave his speech, I fucking love you, man. I fucking love you, man. This is for you, Jim. I, I said it was basically the speech that everyone, uh, when they're on a bachelor party and they see their college friends or old friends that they haven't seen in a very long time, like 12 beers deep, sitting around. You're like, I fucking love you, man.

I fucking love you so much, we should get a house together. I was what he did after that game. I honestly thought he was dead. It looked like rigs leaving Pinehurst. It was surreal. It was one of those moments where it's like, this is definitely not a cult. Yeah, definitely not a cult.

Now, I love Harbaugh because he does give quotes like this and he puts himself in the most ridiculous scenarios and he's the ultimate football guy. Yeah, so the other quote, the biggest one was he had a raspy voice and he said, I'm the iron wall that viruses, viruses bash against and shatter. Something's going on there, but I'll get it worked out, work it out of my system, do some more pushups, eat an apple.

Mm-hmm. I'm an iron wall that viruses bash against and shatter. Jim Harbott is Dwight True. I am a vaccine. He is incredible. Like the virus show me a virus. I will shatter it with my iron wall. I'm gonna work out.

I'm gonna do so many pushups at the viruses, not gonna be able to keep up. And I'm gonna make, you know what, Jim Harbaugh actually thinks that he can make a virus tap. Yeah, absolutely. Submit something. I actually thought that the most surprising

quarter of the press conference was when he was talking about the chickens. Cause we all know that Harbaugh in the past says that he doesn't eat chicken because chicken is a nervous little bird that gives off nervous energy. In fact, I was actually talking to a Michigan player yesterday. And he said the very first day that Harbaugh got to school there, he was inspecting the buffet line in the cafeteria for the team.

And he walked up to the chicken, because there were chicken cutlets, I just stared at it and started scratching his head. And he pulled the nutrition, so I said, hey, what's the deal with the chicken here? They're like, well, it's got a lot of protein, it's lean, it's good for players after workouts. And Harbaal was like, I want you to do a study for me. I want you to investigate, because it's a nervous bird. I want you to look to see if there's been any rise

in mental illness in the United States, and the consumption of chicken. I want to see if there's been any rise in mental illness in the United States and the consumption of chicken. I want to see if there's a correlation between the two. So he's been anti-chicken for a long time, eating steak, drinking milk, that whole thing. And then he's done a complete 180 in a stunning turn of events. Harball actually owns chickens now. And he praised them for being low maintenance, high production. And he said, yeah, so he's now like a believer in chickens.

Yeah, they lay an egg every 26, 27 hours, they need water, they need food. I play with them too. I let them out in the yard run around. They're happy to see me. Yeah, basically it was like, oh, these chickens produce something. Yeah, I can win with this. Roosters are the first ones in the facility every single morning. It's, yeah, read the press clippings. They take a shit on them. Chickens, he said, there was a time I said, chicken was win with this. Roosters are the first ones in the facility every single morning. It's yeah read the press Clippings they take a shit on them. Chickens he he said there was a time I said chicken was a nervous bird. I was dead wrong

Yeah, if I can change and you can change then we all can it would a beautiful moment. It's I listen I know there's a lot of college football fans that hate Michigan at this moment. I get it. I think Michigan Clearly did something wrong. I think they should be I get it. I think Michigan clearly did something wrong. I think they should be, uh, you know, suspended or whatever, whatever happens in the future I'm down with. I love Jim Harbaugh. I will always love Jim Harbaugh. I will always ride with Jim Harbaugh. He is the funniest like guy basically ever in college coaching and he's a great coach. I love him and I do think there's a difference. So I thought the big 10 was wrong for what they did because I don't know how you do an investigation

that quickly and then be like, all right, three games. Here we go. Like if you think that Michigan did something wrong, I'm gonna, I'm gonna most likely agree with you because it seems like there's a lot of smoking guns everywhere. Due process still does matter and just like throwing something at the wall and being like hopefully everyone will be fine with three games which doesn't even really mean anything because you can coach during the week.

It was such a half measure, half-ass thing by the Big Ten that it leaves me like no other conclusion than the Big Ten has no idea what they're doing and they're just trying to save face. The funny thing is if you're a fan of Ohio State or another big 10 school, I completely agree with being so mad at Michigan. Yes. And you want Michigan, like kicked out of college football. You want the death penalty for Michigan.

I would too, if I went to one of those schools. But if you're detached from it and you can look at it from just an objectively ridiculous point of view, it's a very funny scandal that's happening. It's more about is the perfect person to. It's, Jib Harbal is the perfect person to be having to address this and to deal with the adversity that he inflicted upon himself. This is good for college football because it's hilarious.

That's so funny. For my point of view, it's the funniest thing that's ever happened. But again, if you're an Ohio State fan, you should watch him Harbal like put on the nearest train and then take him directly to Chicago to go coach the Bears. Yes, and you should want that too, big get.

Please. But yeah, this is, it's funny, but I would also caution, like if you're a fan of a series college football team, if you love Ohio State, if you love Alabama, Georgia, any powerhouse school, USC, you name it, Texas, you should be very worried that due process is not existing because I got news for you.

You're cheating your dick off too. It might not be doing it as egregiously as what Michigan is doing, and you're probably not going into like military grade sophistication with your surveillance of other teams. But every single school, if they're good, is cheating big time. And you don't want this to be the precedent

for when you get caught. Because if you're a Michigan fan, and this happens across college football, it happens across all college sports, a little bit in pros, but mostly at the college ranks. We saw it last year with Alabama and their basketball team. If your team is the one that's being investigated,

you turn into a legal scholar so fast. You just so much reading. You learn all the laws about transfer, transfer of handgun possession. You learn everything that you have to know about. Okay, here's the NCAA bylaws that they're going to use to persecute us with. And here's how this does not meet X, Y and Z criteria. And then everybody else in the country learns the top line. It's like you're a bunch of cheating fox.

You should be suspended immediately. And then you just reply and Twitter's all day being like, actually, this is exactly what happened. The only thing I'll push back on you for is Alba and Georgia should not be worried because the one thing that you should always give credit to the SEC is they do things correctly in the fact that they never punish or hurt their best teams. They're experts at looking the other way. They do the like Greg S other way. They do.

Like Greg Sanky would never do this. He would never do this. A team that is about is on the precipice of going to the college football playoff. That is like the talk of the nation. He would never be like, hey, let's cut our own legs here and try to hurt our own conference. That's the difference in the SEC and Big 10.

We got Tony Petiti, a fucking moron, like dude, just figure out the fact that maybe we could win a national title for the first time in whatever it's been, like eight, nine years, and get the fuck out of the way, and just say the NCAA has to deal with it. That's what the SEC does, and they win national titles.

Tony Petiti needs to pretend that he's the cop from the town when the nuns pull up after the bank robbery, just look the other way. Yeah, I didn't see nothing. Just be like, look, Michigan, it's not fair. Life is not fair. Here's a little lesson for everyone out there. Life is not fair.

If you're Tony Petiti, this is different. If it was Rutgers, if it was Purdue, if it was Wisconsin. Yes, that's different than Michigan. I, like life is not fair. It sucks that I have to admit this, but Michigan and Ohio State are different than the rest of the big 10 and you treat them like they are different than the rest of the big 10 because if the goal is to get as many bowl games and more money for college football playoffs in these big TV deals, you have to prop up your big time, like, breadwinners when it comes to college football.

I think I misspoke on his name. I think it's Sharan Brown. Or Sharan Moore. I said Brown earlier. That's far more is the interim coach of Michigan. He probably is happy you did that because, you know, he's like, listen, that was an emotional thing. He definitely the next day was like, whoops.

Yeah, I went a little too hard. Maybe not though, because maybe I bet you they had the longest hug ever when he went back to the hotel. Oh yeah, the harboss said, I got die for that guy. Yeah, exactly. They both die for each other, which is beautiful. But Sharan Moore, he's coaching on Saturdays. Harboss still gets to coach the team during the week. Well, Harboss also coaching the team on on Saturdays because going back to the game, 28

runs in the second half, no passes. I know there was one pass, it was a PI. That was Harbaugh. Like, Jay-Jim McCarthy, what do you, finish seven for eight? Yeah, and it's shocking because he's a good quarterback too. Yeah. And they were just like, you know what, fuck it. We're going to run the ball down Penn State's throat the entire time.

And yeah, it did feel like Harbaugh, like he was sending a like a smoke signal to Harbaugh, like this is for you coach, I got your back. And I don't know what the rules are, how close Harbaugh is allowed to be to the stadium. I know he can't be on the sidelines. He said he was five inches away from the TV when Shrongmore was giving that speech. He was probably speaking like during the game. He probably was trying to kiss the TV. If I was Michigan's AD, here's what I would do. During the games, I would give Harbaugh a headset and I would say, okay, it's a one-way headset. They can hear everything they say, but they can't talk back to you and just put it on him and have Harbaugh. He would totally believe that he's still coaching the game.

Yeah. He even said when he was like, people were like, how are you dealing with all this stuff? He's like, I just dive into work, which is football. Yeah, he just want to coach football. Max was at the game. He said it was the worst sporting event he's ever been to. I mean, did you watch it? It was horrible. Yeah. The James Franklin is, I would assume all Penn State fans

are now feeling like he has to go. I know he wins. He's won 11 games, I think four or five times, but it's just never he's never going to win the big one. He's never he's not going anywhere like the way from what I've been told by other Penn State people that know more about me is that the way he's contracts set up is that there's no way that you can get rid of him. Yeah, but we talked about this a couple weeks ago. If this if if it was still gonna be a 14 playoff for the next like 10, 20 years,

then you're looking at this and you're like, yeah, Franklin, he's not gonna get us to that next level. He's gotta go. You guys will be in the playoff. Yeah, but then it's just gonna be the same thing. Yeah, no, you never know in a big game. You'll get to the 12 team playoff and then you'll just see what happens

against Ohio State and Michigan. They're the jets, I was saying this in memes. Penn State. They're not the jets. Yes, they are. No, they aren't. They win 11 games. Yeah, but I'm saying this year, like the defense is really,

really good. And you have a quarterback who's hyped up and like thought he thought that he was going to be the difference maker in the program. And then the quarterback just isn't good enough and the offense is not good enough. Say what you want about the Jets, but at least they were smart enough not to play Christian Hackenberg.

Mm-hmm. That's different. Well, no, it's same. Sense they played them. But college NFL. The Penn State is a classic case and we're gonna talk about Jimbo in a second of a program having to come to grips

with what they might be versus what the team, what, what the, the fans expect. Because if you asked 90% of college football fans, would you like 11 wins a year and be in like a New Year's Day bowl? They'd be like, fuck yes, I would. Penn State is one of those college programs that they have a history of national titles. They have a history of great success. And the bar is so high that James Franklin as he can win 11 games all he wants, if he can't beat Michigan in Ohio State, that's not enough. But they still recruit like those. I know. So that's the difference is that like they bring

in the guys that should get you to that next step. But Franklin just can't coach that big game. He plays so soft. He coaches so soft. Everything runs up the middle, runs up the middle, hope for a slant, and then pun on fourth and one. Just punch. You just punish so many times. And like, at the end of the day, I was like, all right, this is Penn State football.

I'm not gonna, I don't get upset about Penn State football, like I do other sports, but it's like, it's still frustrating to see like the same thing over and over again. What are their rankings in terms of recruiting? Are they, are they up there? They're up there with Ohio State, but I feel like, I feel like they're outside there in that like, if I would have just throw a dart and say

what I think Penn State's recruiting is like I would say that they're probably seven through 10th somewhere national. The way the rankings have gone in the last few years is essentially there's Ohio State, there's Georgia and there's Alabama. And then those three teams have dudes that are on a different level. And then the Michigan's the LSU's, the Florida states, the Penn states, they're right there, but they're still that gap between like, oh my God.

But the three teams. But that tier two is still competing for playoff spots. Yeah, sometimes. Penn state is never competing for that playoff spot. One time. Like right now against Ohio. They had the Michigan, yeah, but so, but right now is LSU here. Here's the difference.

Right now, if you look at 2024 and I don't know, you know, obviously signing day and all this stuff, everything can change. Georgia and Ohio state. Georgia has four five stars. Ohio state has five Penn State has zero. Like that's the difference is like you can get a lot of four stars, but can you get the five or six or seven five stars every single recruiting class that those become the true difference makers when you play on set. Yeah, so if you have a team of four stars, you can beat

the shit out of bad teams, but it's because you can run the ball, you can run the ball, you can run the ball, and then you can rely on like a decent passing game. If you have five stars at running back or at wide receiver, then that's when you can compete with that a decent passing game. If you have five stars at running back or at wide receiver, then that's when you can compete with that next level and Penn State doesn't have. But there's a tier two, like there's tier one that is in the college football every year. You know what I mean?

No matter what they're in it every year. There's a tier two that like every couple of years, they're gonna make it into the four-seat, probably get smoked, but they're like playing for a college, for a college football playoff every show years. Penn State is in that third tier when they should be in that second tier.

Yeah, and look, it also comes down to what you do with your five stars because that's the biggest thing is like you have to, like look, I'm looking right now to random year, 2021, right? 2020 run one Penn State had zero five stars, Album had seven Ohio State had seven Georgia had four. That's the difference. Yeah. Those elite guys, those are the top three in terms of five star recruits in 2021, having those elite guys and then doing something

with them, like actually making them great. What I'm hearing Max is that you need to spend more time tweeting at high school players that are being recruited by Penn State being like, hey, I can't put that much, go to Penn State. That much passion and a Penn State football. The other thing is, and Clemson was obviously in that tier,

they've taken a step back, but they were in that like, they got the five stars. I feel like Texas is getting up there too. Well, the funny thing is, because we're gonna talk about Jimbo, is looking at that 2022 class when he had eight five stars. And it was the greatest college football recruiting class of all time. And Jimbo Fisher has now been fired. His buyout is comical. He's owed $19 million in the next 60 days, another

$7 million next 120 days, and then $7 million every year from 2025 to 2031. It's so good. So he gets almost 27 million in the next like 90 days of his life, and then it's not offset. That's a crazy thing. Yeah, a lot of times, coaches, salaries, they get offset. If you get a new job, then the money that you make

at the new job counts towards what you're getting paid and you're buy out, and you have to prove that you're looking for a new job in order to get that money. Jimbo is just gonna get all this money. And we put a price target on the cost per barrel of oil a couple months ago at I think $90 per barrel. It got to 90, I think got to like $93.

And then it dipped back down again, but that's when Texas A and M alum have real fuck you money. Once oil money gets, once the oil prices get that high, it got so bad that they were like, you know what? We're just gonna say fuck it and get rid of Jimbo because we're gonna have to go out, get a new coach, and we're gonna have to fund that buyout to

and pay Jimbo Fisher, but it's not worth it having a team that's barely above 500 every year. And the picture that's so funny is the tech saying M donor giving a like $160 million a half time of the tech saying M Mississippi State game that was literally just like, here's his bio. That was the 12th man foundation. That was like giving their annual donation.

It was just specifically a check to get rid of Jimbo Fisher. And oh my God, you pay me that much money to fuck off and I am going to fuck off so hard. You will never see my face again. I would leave the country immediately. I would just, I would buy an island. I don't know what tech say in M does now because I think that might be the worst job

in college football. And I know that people are like, what the fuck are you talking about? You get paid so much money. The expectations are so crazy. And like Jim Bofischer couldn't, he had the recruiting classes. The COVID years we already won 10 games, even beat Alabama in 2021.

And it's still not enough. Like it's, I don't know who would want to take that job. If it's anything besides just a money play, which yeah, I would hand that. I understand. But you, you have to take that job knowing you you're gonna pay a lot of money and you're probably gonna fail because the bar that they wanna be at is so disconnected from where they are. Yeah, well, Big Cat, you forget. Texas A&M has a history of winning national championships. And winning 10 games.

Oh wait, that's right, they've won 10 games I think twice in the last 20 years. Oh, and oh wait, the national championship that they won I think was 1937. Yeah, the most recent one. The one name that they're looking for is Oregon Dan Lening who came out and said that this was his quote, I think I've been really, really clear here since day one. I'm not going anywhere.

There's zero chance I'd be coaching somewhere else. I've got unfinished business here. Oregon fans rightfully were like, this is awesome. Happy set it. That doesn't mean shit. I don't think he's going to take it. I eat. I think he very well could not take it.

Yeah. We know though the college football coaches will say whatever they want to say in the moment and then take it later. Yeah, just coaches in general was right. People in general, in fact, we'll say that until you put a big check in for them and they're like, yeah, I'll do that.

Nick Sabin said, I will not be the coach of Alabama Crimson tight. Yeah, like two weeks before he went and was the coach of the Alabama Crimson. Yeah. Bobby Patrino said he wasn't going to leave the Falcons. And then he wrote a note on a napkin and left in the locker room. Yeah. Uh, she go burst said, uh, he actually had a good tweet because it was, I can't remember what the context was. It was something about players thinking about N I L. And like, it's a distraction. I think maybe Sabin said it was a distraction. And he's like, he literally sat in front of the Michigan state team and was like,

I'm not going anywhere. And then was it LSU two weeks later? Yeah. Brian Kelly didn't, Brian Kelly didn't even go to the senior like dinner at Cincinnati because he was like, fuck that. I'm out. Yeah. Like coaches will do whatever.

It's great. The tan landing said I like tan landing a lot. I'm rooting for tan landing. I hope he stays, because it's better for college football than he does, and guys don't keep jumping around. But I would never ever take a quote from a coach

and be like, yep, good, we're good. It's over. I would, if I was a NM, I would look at Elko. They're probably looking at him right now. I would be, I would be shocked. I'm not a pellet check.

Bellet check, why not? Well, they do have a history of bringing professional coaches down to the college level. Yeah. The experiment did that, right? Why not Urban Meyer? Urban Meyer at, he's a freak. It would actually be perfect if he was at A&M

because it is again a cult. Yeah, it's just freaks of different nature. Urban Meyer is the perfect cult leader. Yeah. I mean, he sucked as an NFL head coach, but as a college head coach where he is like, the warlord slash cult leader at whatever town he's in, then he's really good at that.

And there's no more insulated place in the world than college station, Texas. It would be fun. It would be very fun if he went, get him back in the SEC, that would be great. Yeah. They probably are delusional enough to think that they can try to get saved.

And they'll probably just like make a phone call to save and be like, here, he interested. No. Okay. Sorry for bothering you. Kansas head coach, landslide, landslide, pulled. They'll probably talk to him. He's the only problem with him, which is not fair because he's won literally everywhere. He's gone UW whitewater buffalo. Now Kansas is a little older. So that's like the only thing that people always like, well, he's old.

Who cares? He wins games. Yeah. Um, I also heard a rumor about Dan Campbell, Texas A and him alone. Oh, no, you could never. I don't think he's going to leave Detroit. I would have although there's definitely a group of Lions fans who are listening to this right now. And it might not be a large group, but I bet you there's a group that are like, that be cool. Cause then Ben Johnson would be the coach. And they don't want to lose Ben Johnson. Yeah.

I earn some people who are thinking that in their head. They're like, because when you get that offensive coordinator, Wiz kid, and it's like, well, we're going to lose them eventually. There's, it's not a large amount. Maybe Lions fans, you can circle a trust. You can tweet me and say you've thought this and it's not the you can circle a trust, you can tweet me and say, you've thought this and it's not the worst thought. You can, you can tweet me that.

I hope Dan Campbell stays in Detroit. He's perfect for Detroit, but I guarantee you there's some Lions fans in the back of their head. They're like, ooh, that, that would kind of work out. I actually think that's, that's not a thought that you've had already, but it's a great spin zone to keep in your back pocket in case you do lose Dan Campbell. There's a couple of long stands. It's a perfect way to work it out and say, okay,

well at least we didn't lose Ben. Yeah, I think I think I think 99% of Lions fans love Dan Campbell. There's just circle of trust. I will not judge you if you treat me this. I will not judge you. All right, last couple of things. Jaden Daniel should be the Heisman. We talked about it quickly on Monday. I have some stats for UPFT. Jayden Daniels, uh, verse Florida had 372 passing yards, 234 rushing yards. That's been done a lot has five total touchdowns. First player in FBS history to have 350 plus passing yards and 200 plus rushing yards in a single game. Was that his Heisman moment?

Listen, I want to hear what the Heisman moments are for his competition. We also need to be start like he is Lamar Jackson when Lamar Jackson won the Heisman with three losses. Yeah, that's what he is. Except his stats might be better. So we can look his main competition, I would say, Bonyx, Michael Penex, right? And then Marvin Harrison, yeah. Obviously, if you're going to go with like the most talented player, Marvin Harrison probably, like in terms of pure talent and then it may be better.

But and then a small sect of Michigan fans who are like, well, Jay Jamacarti is going to be like 45 for 50 against Ohio State for 375,000 yards. Yeah, you could do that. But if you look at passing yards, Jaden Daniels has 33,164 yards. Bonaix has 3,135 yards. Michael Penix has 3,533, all pretty close together, very, very similar in terms of stats. And then you go to rushing yards. Yeah.

Jaden Daniels has 918 rushing yards. He's gonna have 1, thousand rushing guards this year. Bonaix, 121, Michael Penix, negative 27. Jayden Daniels has more touchdowns, more rushing touchdowns than the rest of them, and his completion percentage is not quite as good as Bonaix, but it's better than Michael Penix. So he also hears some more stats. We're just going to give you guys all the things you need to go out and tell everyone. Jayden Daniels is averaging 408 total yards per game. Second place is 350. That's a pretty big difference.

Most plays of 20 plus yards in 2023. J&D Daniels has 76. Michael Penix has 57. And Bonix has 39. 76 plays of 20 plus yards. Here's quick power conference ranks by stat. Jaden Daniels, total yards of game first, total TDs of game first, past yards of game second,

past TDs of game first, rush yards of game first, rush TDs of game sixth, QBR first, passor rating first, yards of play first, EPA play first, I feel like I'm spitting bars here. These he's leading everything. So I found I found another interesting stat on death

belly insider and they compared Joe burrow's 2019 with J and Daniels projected. Yeah, 2023 in a in a 12 game regular season. So here's what they're projecting to. Obviously, Joe burrow more passing yards, 4,366, Jane Daniels on pace for 3,797. But if you look at totally yards, Joe had 4,614, Jane Daniels on pace for 4,809. And Joe had 47 total touchdowns. Jane Daniels heads would have 46 total touchdowns on pace. Come on. Now it's not as good as you as a play defense. Not as good as Joe burrow, but if you want to just look at purely from a statistical point of view, Jane Daniels is really, really fucking good. And his defense is one of the worst. The best because the best player in college football this year.

And that's what the award should be. It shouldn't be a team award and work completely unbiased in all of these takes. Yeah, it's not like we're only saying this because we put a future on him to win the Heisman trophy. I do like that there are some people being like, do you have a future on them or something? Like, yeah, we literally said it. We put it in live on air on my show.

Yeah, I'm just kicking myself. I didn't get it at 900. I mean, that's okay. Let's just stay. 500 is good. 500 is good. Stay the course and Jaden Daniels should be your Heisman Take these stats and spread them from

See the shining sea. Jaden Daniels Heisman moment. He has a Heisman moment. I don't know what the other guys are That's what I go off of. Yeah, it's just who has who has the greater one replay that you watch over and over again Um, all right last thing quickly James Madison. I told you I would give you, I would, I'm splitting my time now, because my football team is garbage. I am splitting my time between J. Daniels for Heisman and J.M.U. for a bowl game. Get J.M.U. into a bowl game, let the kids play,

and you know what, and Jacksonville State. I'm gonna say let Jacksonville State play in a bowl game too. Okay. So it is a possibility. It's actually a, I'd say about 50% chance that Jamie gets a play in a bowl game, even though they're not eligible. Is this biased?

No, no, I think. Possibility or if I was being biased, I would say like they're probably gonna play in a bowl. Okay. It's about 50-50. So they are ineligible to play in the postseason. However, if there are not enough bull eligible teams in college football this season, then they will allow teams that are not eligible due to technicalities to play.

Got it. So that's a real thing. I don't know if that would put them in a new year's six or not. And again, I'm speaking hypothetically, if they do happen to win out, they got game day this weekend, which is awesome in Harrisonburg against AppState, and then they have coastal in the last game, which are going to be two tough games, but assuming if they happen to win both those games, then there are a number of ways that they could get into a bowl game. So who are we rooting against?

So we're rooting against a lot of different teams. I can give you the entire list of teams that I'm rooting against. Ripper Moth. So shout out to NIT Stu, who actually compiled all this for us. FIU Buffalo Wake Forest Colorado Washington State Hawaii Houston FAU Cal TCU Mississippi State Old Dominion South Carolina Eastern Michigan Northern Illinois Navy Rice Western Michigan Colorado state.

And then we got a bunch of others that were rooting to lose two games, including unfortunately, your Wisconsin Badgers, which might happen might not. Oh, they're bad. So it could very well happen. Although I kind of think that they're going to beat Nebraska because Luke fickle said, we're going to find out who wants to be here. Yep.

That's always the sign of things might start to turn around because they're going to have a little like, you don't want to be here, bro. So we just, we just don't want teams to reach six wins. And if not enough teams reach six wins. And you can also be vulnerable with five and six, I believe. I don't know how all that works. I think they changed it a couple of years ago. So there's 40 teams that are in the hunt.

JMU needs eight or more of those to come up short. Got it. So I think it's a good possibility. Okay. All right, 50-50. All right, we're rooting against those teams. I'm in. I'm in. I it's a good possibility. Okay. All right 50 50 all right. We're ruined against those teams I'm in I'm in I'm rooting against those teams. So everyone has their their marching orders It's to recap Jim Harboff funny is guy in the world

JmU needs to be in a bowl game Jaden Daniels Heisman. Yep, that feels good. I like where we're at Yeah, these are all fun things to embrace. Yes. Okay, now let's get to a not fun thing. For Hank, it's hot sea cool throne. It's brought to you by our friends of course light. Fall doesn't have to be a buzzkill. Corselyte helps you find moments to unwind. Big work presentation, follow it with a happy hour. Some friends in a cold, core's light.

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Do you decide what my hot seat cool? Well, I think the listeners decided because you took you this long to come up with this All right, fine. I will ignore that. I guess if you want to get right in the presentation Yeah, let's do it guys you guys are you guys are absolute divas tank through there's a hundred cameras in here I take pictures every you guys all the time and I take my phone on you goes I took me five minutes before I get pissed off and Hank Do you get pissed off of this camera, do you get pissed off of the camera?

No. So what, so different between these cameras and being like, oh, it started the show. Well, Hank, you came into this room at the very start of the show before we even started taping. You shot me a look. You're given looks today. You're given looks.

No, you came to go, did you do the presentation? It was a question. It was a valid question, especially considering the events of last Tuesday. Here's what Hank did. He tried everything to you do the presentation? It was a question. It was a valid question, especially considering the events of last Tuesday. Here's what Hank did. He tried everything to not do this presentation. He told me he had a call. I did. The show started. He heard me on the call. Fake company. It's a happy time. He came in and he unplugged everything with the TV so that Max and memes had to hustle trying to get everything set. He was like, all the presentation doesn't work the presentation doesn't work

It works. We're ready to go Let's go. Let's see this presentation Bucco All right, well, you know, I did I did a lot of thinking the past couple of you like that. I've ever heard you Bucco Yeah, when you Bucco a guy that's so much worse than do it Bucco the assignment Come on hand if you are you guys gonna let me speak for this one? You're just gonna interrupt me every Tuesday. No, please. Go ahead, sport.

The assignment at hand was to do a presentation about how the Gillette lighthouse was not real, which I think part of the reason why I struggled to get it done was because I had already admitted that the lighthouse was not real, and we had spent a lot of time going through reasons for what makes a real lighthouse and what makes a fake lighthouse. You keep bringing it up.

No, you guys kept bringing it up. My point being that I didn't know how to do a presentation where, you know, explaining why the lighthouse wasn't real when we've already gone over that and I've already admitted that it wasn't real when we've already gone over that and I've already admitted that it wasn't real so I You know decided to think bigger and and go into what Reality and what's real and what's fake really mean so without further do you get met up with it? You got metaphysical? Let's begin Wait Hank right off the bat. I have one one gripe about the opening slide of this. Okay. What is the date? Say on that presentation One grape about the opening slide of this okay, what is the date set on that presentation?

That was just the day I started Henry John Lockwood 11 5 2023 and today is what the 14th and I should say the 14th Well, I can't help when I start like I've been working on this for a while You always date your PowerPoint presentation on you make them okay also in Gillette is spelled Correct good point. Wait, Jake, are you? Great point cut his mic. Okay, not joking. Uh, which lighthouse are you talking about here, huh? The Gillette lighthouse. Oh, because that's a different lighthouse with one T. Mm-hmm Okay, so the date's wrong Dates correct, okay Okay, so the date's wrong. Date's correct. Okay. All right, well this, I mean Max is formatics fucked up.

He's literally lying on the ground right now, flopping around. Didn't even give me the presentation. The way I sent it, this is supposed to be a lot clear. I don't know why it's see through. But what does real and fake actually mean? Real, the definition is actually existing as a thing or occurring in fact, not imagine they're supposed. Fake means not genuine or counterfeit. So for it's an interesting word. With that being said, I would like to now open it up

the floor to you guys. I have some examples and you tell me what's real and what's fake. Okay. You're opening up the floor for questions? No, I'm opening up the floor for you guys. We're not allowed to talk. You're at, well, you've been around the floor for questions. No, I'm opening up the floor for you guys. We're not allowed to talk You're at well, you've been around me 100 what do you think opening up the floor means? It means you guys can to give me you you have one you have two words I don't think you know what opening up the floor means. I'm gonna show you pictures you each no no other commentary Just real or fake all right. I'll play next slide That is Jesus Christ. I think he was a real person He existed.

He existed. It's a real or fake. He existed. He existed. Real. All right. Next slide. He didn't look like that though.

Yeah, that's not a good representation of Jesus. No. So you're saying that there's some debate on whether it's or not. No, I'm saying that. He's a real person. He existed as a person is not a likeness of what Jesus. Do you have a picture of what he looks like?

Yeah, they made it. They made it. They tried to get a. Well, that I remember that. What'd you call it? A rendering? You remember that painting? He was a real person who existed.

Do you have proof? Yes. There's historical record of Jesus. Council of Nicee. I see you. I'm happy. Okay. I just don't know how you can say that.

It's not a real picture of him if you don't have a real picture. What's it drawing? But whatever. Okay, go on.'t know how you can say that's not a real picture of him if you don't have a real picture What's it drawing but whatever okay? Go on. It's clearly a drawing Didn't have pictures back then idiot The moon landing real real How is there wind on the flag? It's not wind on the flag They put wires in the flag to make it stand out as a fact you can see the wires next picture This pair of chess. I'm very bad at this.

The spare of chess. I'm gonna say real. Heck, there's only one chess there. Real. Yeah, I'm also bad at it. I've been berated several times for not correctly identifying fake boobs. I'm gonna say those are... Look, real. Those are... I think they're fake. I think those are fake. Next slide. These Christmas trees. Let me take a look. Fake on the right, they're all fake, fake fake fake. The big bang.

Real. I didn't ask you to go to the next slide, but go ahead. Real. Yeah, it's real. We do an evolution now? I'm just asking questions, I'll get right out. It's real, it's real. I open the floor for you guys, I wanted some. Yeah, it's real.

Is there a place to talk to each other are you are you actually this is like your Hank doesn't know whether he's a real or fake. He's like this is a perfect chance for me to ask some questions that I never I feel too stupid to ask. Is a big bang real? You guys tell me I know obviously, but you tell me But there's no proof of the big bang being real. There is a lot of proof. There's a shine. Check it out. Look at Neil DeGrasse Tyson's timeline right now. I'm just trying to tweet about it nine times today.

You're talking about evolution. I believe in evolution. I do not believe that we all just sprouted out of nowhere and a dude gave a girl his rib and was like, here, now you're a girl. Some, someone argue that we're living in a simulation. Someone argue that the big, big is real. Someone argue that, you know, those boobs are real.

Those boobs are fake. Are you questioning just like everything? There's arguments. And there's, there, you got to question everything. Now it's kind of the, are we doing flat earth next to hurry? The hypothesis that I went through is like, yes, technically by definition,

someone to say that this lighthouse is not real, but there's some that would say that it is real. I want to give Hank credit because Hank actually, this is a genius argument. It's money in the water. That you're making right now. Yeah. By taking the entire concept of what we think of as reality and questioning it, that's the only way out of this.

I actually, I think Hank is doing a good job. Next slide, please. Iris Murdoch, you guys are familiar. Famously said. You tell me. We live in a fantasy world, a world of illusion. The great task in life is to find reality. You can put any quote anywhere.

And just put a name under it, be like, here's this quote. Wait, what? Yeah. Oh, look, I'm looking at the quote right now. The Gillette Lighthouse is completely fake. And anyone who thinks it's real is an idiot, Donald Trump. Trump would never say that.

Yeah, absolutely. Hank, what's your favorite Iris Murdoch novel? Probably The Great Caspi. Next slide. Now, we go on to the, we got that. We got that. We never even read The Greek Gatsby.

I just know it's a book. He might like that stuff. He's got Fitzgerald. Yeah, green light. Green light across the pond. Lighthouse isn't doing. Just described a lighthouse. Yeah, I did.

So anyway, the question of what's real and what's fake can be questioned by anyone. You could someone could say something's real and someone could always have an argument that it's fake. Just because someone has proof that something's real doesn't mean that it necessarily is and it's our job as humans to determine, find what's an illusion and what's reality. That's our daily task is what is real and what is fake. Some things, they might be like, some like, you know, Jesus, they made, maybe he wasn't real. Maybe those things weren't real, but he's a symbol. He's a symbol of hope.

Yeah. He's a symbol of, of what we're going for. You're smart. What you've did. Done. You can continue. And like, there are a lot of idiots in this world, me being one of them. Well, also, I think maybe Hank's been hanging out with somebody that is a history of questioning, whether or not things are real, and that has rubbed off on him. Oh, that is a history of questioning whether or not things are real and that has rubbed off on them. Oh! Lighthouse is in New England. Wait, go back, please, can you respect my slides? The first lighthouse was built in North America, was the Boston Light. So it was built in Boston, in Massachusetts. It's been a symbol of our state of our region for a long time. It's a beacon of hope, if you will.

Is that real? Next slide. Is that lighthouse real? That lighthouse is real. I don't know what. Oh it is, okay. All right, just, I want to set the ground. So that lighthouse is real.

Got it. It depends on who you ask. This is Sally Snowman. She was the last lighthouse keeper in America. Wood. So she, she is retiring at the end of 23 and will not be replaced. So in 2024, being a lighthouse keeper as a job is not real.

In eight, oh, it's still a real job. It's not. There's not. There's not any more anywhere in the world. In America. Okay, is this my world? In America. Okay, is this my world? Does this still a real job? This is Ali Soman, currently a lighthouse keeper.

I'm saying in 2024. Right, right now. You put the date at the start of your presentation. What was that again? November 5th, 2021. Okay, so as of the date of the presentation. It's taken me a long time to come to these conclusions. As of the date of this presentation, it's a real job.

Got it. But in 2024, it will not be a real job. However, this presentation, it's a real job. Got it. But in 2024, it will not be a real job. However, in 2023, it was a real job. So it kind of opens it up. It's like, it is. It can be real at some point, but fake and others. How does that work? You can't say, in 2023, it was. It is next slide. The last major lighthouse built in America was in 1962, a Sullivan's lighthouse in South Carolina. That was until the Gillette lighthouse. In conclusion, it's our job as humans,

as intellectuals to sift through the nonsense and the illusions and determine what's real and what's fake. And really just find those beacons of hope just because someone tells you Jesus wasn't real. It doesn't mean you can't use them as a symbol of hope just because PFT says this lighthouse isn't real. It doesn't mean you can't, it doesn't have to be real to you

and as a region. So I think it's like maybe it's not real to you guys. It's like wrestling. But Patriots fans, New Englanders, they will recognize as lighthouse as a real thing, as a beacon of hope and as a symbol of our team and our region. So that was kind of what I came to. It was hard. Obviously, I had to say the lighthouse wasn't real, but in doing my research and coming to these conclusions, it's just not real to you guys. I think that's, I think that's fair.

I've gotten dumber. I think Hank took the weirdest possible way to reach a reasonable conclusion, which is if we believe in the lighthouse, then it's real. Well, I didn't know what, the task was like make a presentation about how the lighthouse isn't real, but we've gone through that.

Right. So I didn't know. So I didn't know. I said to say it's not real. I did on the show right when they after they lost I mean, I like the presentation was good. You've confused everyone which was smart You did kind of like a hey look at my thumb G your dumb something in the face What is real is this real right now? I I You know some are saying that, you know, the big

bank theory is really the big question. Like some, some are saying that we're just, it was, it was a comment, it was an Elon Musk TikTok, and it was a comment in the TikTok, but not at Elon Musk quote, this is the belief that some are saying that we are living in a simulation, a simulation is to determine how humans will deal with AI and we're about to come to that. That's about to come to a head. And that has to do with the lighthouse, how? Okay.

The big bank there, did it happen or not? We might not even be here. Exactly. Nothing is real. Exactly. Yeah. I mean, you did a good job of confusing everyone. That was actually very smart of you, Hank.

I give it an A plus. It was good. Well, you took the right route was just question everything, literally everything, and so then nothing can be proven. What's that on the slide? What is that slide? It's a zoomed in Sally Snowman, memes and max are loving it.

It looked like Rico. I like Sally Snowman. What's Sally Snowman guy? Go. Sounds like a character It looked like Rico. I like Sally Snowman. What's Sally Snowman guy? Go. Sounds like a character in children's book. All right Hank, good job. Thank you. Are you feel good that that's done with?

Yeah, it's trusting me out. Yeah, we know. How much of that slide did you do yourself? The whole bit. All of it? The Boston light. I had DMs from people that you from people, but I had to go. The whole beginning, I think the only slide that I had some help with was the Boston light.

I mean, it was a good presentation. You have us questioning everything. Nothing is real. Or is everything real? That's on us. Who's to say? That's on us. Who's to say? Yes, for us, for our third one. That's the conclusion only a man very upset with the state of their football team would reach.

Yeah. Well, none of this really even matters. This is really, yeah, when you zoom out, you're like, this is where the Patriots see this, where the presentation of what's real and what's fake. I mean, I've talked more about lighthouses here than the Patriots. That's probably fact. Yeah, that is.

Yeah, that is a fact. You can't just keep bringing it up. Yeah. No, I'm never bringing it up again. I never probably a fact. Yeah, that is a fact. You can't just keep bringing it up. Yeah. I'll never bring it up again. I never want to, I mean, it's done. It's settled. We've gone through the exercise. It's up to you whether determined it's real or fake. I choose real.

You choose fake. It's like, it's like religion, you know? Still real to me. Yeah. Great job, Hank. Thank you. Great job. Was it a great job? Yeah. Everyone, everyone watch the YouTube, subscribe to the YouTube,

Hank's presentation, what is real? But if it was good or not, it's entirely subjective, we don't know. That's true, we don't know anything. At my point, if we learn anything, we don't know. That's really the biggest takeaway from Hank's entire presentation, no one knows. Question everything.

Nobody can ever be wrong. All right, PFT, your hot seat cool throne. Well, first of all, Hank, did you do a cool throne? Yeah, my cool throne was the lighthouse presentation. Oh, okay. And the hot seat was, okay, see it was the baly sports. No, your hot seat was you taking the clip down.

Yeah, about James Hardin. That was soft. It was soft. That was a good speech. The guy gave it was impassioned. He was right. He was, he was right. It's impassioned a word.

Yeah, it was an impassioned speech that he gave. It was emotional. It was justassioned. He was right. He was right. It's impassioned a word. Yeah, it was an impassioned speech that he gave. It was emotional. It was just a passionate. Well, it was an impassioned speech. Can't say it was a passionate, is it impassioned? Impassioned. Impassioned. Yeah, like empathy.

We become passion. Impassioned. Showing intense feeling. Yeah, there it is. I know it. I am in empath. So you're not the only nerd here, Jake. Uh, all right. My hot sea is Conor McDavid because his coach got fired again. Yeah. So it's time to ask the question is Conor McDavid

a coach killer big cat? Because this is coach number four, I think for him. Not only did his coach get fired, but they lost their number one fan. Number four, I think for him. Not only did his coach get fired, but they lost their number one fan. Ryan Whitney. He has, he has, he has, uh, renounced, disavowed the oilers,

which actually has made them win. Mm-hmm. So this is going to sound sad for me. Uh, I did put tweet alerts on for Whitney because I saw that he was doing Twitter spaces, emergency Twitter spaces. And let's just say we love Whitney. He's our, the number one guest who's been on this show.

He's not really a guy who's like gonna, you know, be working overtime. So when he was doing the Twitter space, I was like, this is good. So but now I have tweets Twitter alerts on for him and all he does is just be like think like Congrats to the oilers for winning. You're lucky that I like stop being a fan. Yeah. Well, they should be. So he's more Twitter. Here's the thing. Here's the thing with wit is that wit now gets a claim that he was initially

right. He was only wrong about changing his mind and being wrong. Yes. So it's original take that they suck was correct. But this is, yeah, it's a Conor McDavid's fourth head coach. A lot of people are saying he's a coach killer. I'm going to say that he's a coach killer just because it's fun. And I have no idea if it's true or not, but it's always good to like just slap that label and a really good player.

Coach, you're so good that if you don't win everything all the time, then it means that you suck actually. Yeah. Speaking of Twitter spaces, did you guys see the dolphins fan invade the Jets Twitter space? I know. Yeah, it was pretty good. This is very funny. This is just classic radio prank. Two points I just wanted to make.

I was a big Robert Salafan because of what he did with the defense. I thought he did a really good job. And I thought, letting him go after the season was going to be a huge mistake. But, holy shit, I don't know what the agenda is behind the scenes with Zach Wilson, but it's fucking disgusting at this point. Second point I wanted to quickly make was, oh, you're fucking suck, things up, baby!

Yeah, just all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, that's great. Jets Twitter space would like 800 people. Yeah, I love the idea of the Jets fan like kicking them off and then looking at phone Be like get the fuck out of here, man. Like this guy is staring just solemnly at his iPhone. Oh, that's great. That is great It is good and our friend Pete Blackburn pointed out on Twitter that every coach that McDavid's had has had some sort of a dick reference in his name. So just some of the he's got no block now. He had woodcroft.

He had tipped it before and then can hitchcock. Oh. I've been all of his coaches. So he's got to type and he likes to get them all fired. Okay. So I'm just I'm excited that we have that narrative now. Yes. I agree.

You have to latch on to a narrative and a sport that you I consider myself to be a hockey expert, but I know there are a lot of people in this room don't, but it's good to just take if you're a puck boy, find a narrative and then just latch onto it and keep repeating it. Coach killer. My cool throne is diapers. Dippers on my cool throne because Dan Campbell has been asked about his fourth down choices that he's making, how he's going for it so often and fourth down. And he is advising Lions fans to wear diapers when they watch the game.

He says, here's what I would say because I tell my family this, just wear a diaper before some of these games. I'll give them an alert and say put them on and be ready to roll. Only Dan Campbell could describe putting on diapers as being ready to roll. Ready to roll. Like ready to shit yourself. Yeah. I actually, I don't hate the idea.

All cards on the table, I have worn a diaper during a game before. So you can pee yourself. You can be a pee dog. I did it one time when the lines at the bathroom were very, very long in the stadium. You can dip up for a game. Yeah, dip up for you. My story is, this is my kids.

I'm gonna be like, you ready to roll. Yeah, just rip. Ready to roll, baby. Ready to roll. I actually act the day and poop your pants. I might start wearing diapers when we're watching NFL streams on Sunday. That won't be gross.

You got seven hours of football. I'm gonna be like, That's like a bit we could leave on the table. It's like Mel Kiper. Mel Kiper in the draft. Yeah, there's batsards right next to us. Yeah, but I understand the principal behind it. Yeah, which is,

It's a good principal. I think that's where we're at. It's good and principal. And yeah, I mean, you pee in the sink. I do. But that's a hole. That's a drain. It is a hole.

I don't sit in my own urine. You just, we just washed dishes in it. You've also peed in the sink. I have peed in the sink. Yeah. But yeah, Dan Campbell telling, telling, talk about the old office pest sink. Now that we're not there anymore.

Yeah, I mean, I think I talked about it when we were there too. Yeah, there was a, there was a shop sink that no one used in the hallway. Did you get busted? I got busted. There was a couple of times where someone maybe came around the corner and I had to zip up real quick. I go, I washed my hands. I got busted.

It was during a Sunday. I was peeing in the shop sink. And which is just in the, for like the reference. It was in the hallway. In the middle of the hallway. It's a hallway that's not used in a business that's shit. Like it was our office and there was like three other businesses in this same.

But we only had two bathrooms for 50 people. I know, but we had two, not just two bathrooms, we had two toilets for 50 people. 50 people. And so there was a shop sink that was in the back hallway to the businesses. On a Sunday, nobody else used this office. Which I put everyone on to, I was like, yo, guys, there's a sink we can piss it. It was just us for the most part, The rule was just put leave the water running. Leave the water running. Yeah. Don't poop. It's number one only. And so, uh, yeah, I went back

there or leave myself. I was like the fourth person to use it that day. And then I heard, uh, footsteps around the corner. And as I'm zipping up, this woman's like, excuse me. And I looked at her and I was like, can I help you? And she was like, yeah, I And I looked at her and I was like, can I help you? And she was like, yeah, I work here. Yeah. And I was like, oh, hey. Well, I'm pissed here. Sorry.

Yeah. So do I. I'm working right now actually. There's, listen, Max, what are you gonna say? You're gonna say that it was bad? No, I was just gonna say, you were like, yeah, we only did it on Sundays. Did I think that's true?

I did every day. I only needed that sink on Sunday. Listen, I, listen, IP in you were like, yeah, we only did it on Sundays. I think that's true. I did it every day. I only needed a sink on Sunday. Listen, I, listen, I pee in the sink in my house. Every other pee in the sink in the office setting has only been because we have had a limited amount of toilets. It was the old New York office, the first office that we had like a hundred people in two bathrooms. That was when I started pissing in the sink.

I only do it when I have to. What if your son sees you, Ping, and starts doing it. I'd be like, look, this is what we do. We're men. Do you have a, do you have like a specific sink or is it just all sinks or all sables? Yeah, kitchen sink. No problem. After I do the dishes, give myself a little reward. I would love to see a urinal built into this studio right here. Back to over in that corner. Yeah. That's a good spot for it. It would be a good spot. All right, my hot seat is Max. Max, you're on the hot seat.

Oh, I think I know why. This isn't, this isn't a college basketball show. No, it's not. Oh, you have so many losses. You don't even know what you're on the hot seat for. I know what it's for. You're on the hot seat because the Philadelphia water dogs are now the team.

The water dogs are in Philadelphia. And so they announced all the, that was a good clap Jake no one else Yeah, exciting. Well, yeah, so we we've been given Philadelphia as the home of the water dogs Fitting that we finished second last year max every time that we lose it's your ass. No, we now we've Banned together as a group. Oh yeah, cause I really get it. Oh, I ban together to root for the water dogs. Okay. Valid.

Valid. I just had a question, but you answered. I was, I forgot what place that the Philadelphia water dog session last year. Second. So we're the Philadelphia water dogs. I love it. I love it.

Philly Philly. When Paul Raeble was talking to me through the different options, I was like, it'd be weird if you know, like, we'd be bossing or DC or I think it was great lakes maybe, for the Midwest region. I was like, why don't we just put this all on max? That seems, I'm happy to have them. I'm happy to have the dogs.

I'm happy to ride with my guys. I'm ready to go. I'm ready to happy to ride with my guys. I'm ready to go. I'm ready to go to battle for my guys. I don't think you are. I'm very excited about this because Phil is a great sports town for the passionate sports fans, such as yourself, Max. I would like to see an SEC type atmosphere, kind of like the bank, kind of like a, a JV version of the bank. It would be a shame if we started throwing batteries at the whipsnakes. We don't do that anymore.

Why'd I say, do you want to replay what I just said? Yeah, that would be, it would be a shame, but it would be a real shame. And we did a part in my take, battery giveaway. I would actually, for one of the games. I would like our stadium to be like the safe space for Philly fans, to be able to do all the stuff they used to do.

No, I want them to. Like, I, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We should bring, we should bring Santa Claus out every half time and have the crowd just boom. Yeah. Get it out of your system. Yeah, we want the nastiest fans in the world. I like that, I like that a lot. Well, you don't have to do anything.

Yeah, we want to extensively Philly trash. You just have to, literally, you You just have to open your eyes and you open your eyes every day and it's trash. Okay, fine. Max, is this exciting? Yeah, no, I'm excited. I'm excited. I'm wooder dogs. I love my wooder dogs.

My boys are going to be fired up to play in Philly. This group is going to be fired up for Philly Sports. It's going to be awesome. The correct way to pronounce is the fluffy water water dogs Water dogs fluffy water dogs Fluffy fluffy fluffy fluffy water dogs You're just saying different letters. It's a fluffy water dogs. How you say it in Philadelphia? Oh Fluffy the fluffy water dogs. Yeah, I don't think it was this fluffy. They say they they

It sounds like fluffy when they say it. Fluffy, I like the fluffy Eagles. Like the full of Dolphier. Yeah, yeah, kind of like that. Yeah, like, if you're drunk enough, it sounds like fluffy Eagles. I'm excited. I'm excited. All right. So big announcement.

Yeah, it's great. My cool throne is Giancarlo Stanton. So he now gets to pass to be injured because Brian Cashvin did a press conference and Brian Cashvin said, we try talking about Giancarlo Stanton. So he now gets a pass to be injured because Brian Cashvin did a press conference and Brian Cashvin said, we try talking about John Carlos Stanton. We try to limit the time he's down, but I'm not going to tell you he's going to play every game next year because he's not. He's going to wind up getting hurt again more likely than not because it seems to be part of his game. Cattle quote. So in this in this press conference, was this the same one where he's just standing Yeah, I'm not saying that. I'm not saying that. I'm not saying that. I'm not saying that.

I'm not saying that. I'm not saying that. I'm not saying that. I'm not saying that. I'm not saying that. I'm not saying that. I'm not saying that. I'm not saying that.

I'm not saying that. I'm not saying that. for all free agents, agents considering signing in New York for both foreign and domestic. That's the play for the team. You've got to be made of Teflon, both mentally and physically because you can never let your guard down, even in the off season. Cash will might be trying to get fired. That's why it's a man that knows that, yeah, I actually think he might, I think he might want to get fired.

Because if you're the GM of the Yankees and you don't win a World Series, everyone's like, this guy's a clown. Right. And anything less than that. And you lose a lot. Like, you're in one World Series in a long time. So it seems like a thankless job. You usually don't give a big like media press conference outside what, what appears to be like, I don't know, a strip of like street side restaurants. Yes. In front of the media screaming at everybody if you're very secure in your job. Yes. Yes. All right. So I look forward to more cash when quotes if you're trying to get fired. Jake. My hot sees the New Orleans Pelicans. Zion Williamson, first

overall pick, superstar, told the media he's quote, trying his best to buy in right now. Hmm. So that sounds very optimistic. Someone quote to you and said, uh, you should try to buy an oxygen mask because he was breathing really heavy during that press conference. And I laughed. Would you consider, uh, Zine Williamson to be a superstar? Yes.

No. No, I don't think I would. I don't think you should. He played enough games. Yeah, he's a superstar. I don't think he's a superstar. Even though I may have just said superstar. Yeah, but it's not a superstar.

That's why I wanted to address it. Because I feel like I feel like he is called a superstar a lot, but I don't think that he is superstar's play What other player has has has torn through their shoe and affected a stock See he was a college superstar. I absolutely agree with that. Yeah, he was definitely a college superstar He wanted a championship, right Yeah, that team was loaded. Yeah, they were really good. And your cool turn? My cool turns lucky underwear. During the man in cast, Patrick Maholam's told the mannings that he's worn the same pair of underwear for his entire NFL career, every game.

That was fucked up too. How he predicted that so perfectly. He knew that that that. Did you see the clip? He the Eli Manning was like, I think the Broncos were like first and go on the 10. He's like, are they going to score touchdown and how and he's like they're going to run. They're going to run. They're going to do a play action pass and score literally exactly how it went down. Yeah, pretty sick. Also to your point earlier PFT, I'm going to say Eagles chiefs. Maldonant football is going to be the highest rated game of the season season moving forward. Also, there's potential of Taylor appearing in prime time stand on. It has to be super well. Remastered. Oh, yes. And she's a filler girl. I mean, it has to be the highest rated game of the year, right?

Yeah. Good call. Okay. Redding's of the year. Yeah. All right. Let's get to our interviews. We got two of them.

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Let's start with that. I'm not in my prime. And this is the third time I've been on. You are in your prime. Yeah, the first time was when you came on, we got every single fact about your life wrong. Yeah, you did. You went to Washington State.

We call Larry David. You didn't let us talk to Larry David. Second time was in your office in California with EA. So as you and Aaron were on the show, great time. So this is number three. We're back on our home turf. Again, factually wrong though. I know that this is your podcast.

So I'm gonna shut up and let you ask the questions. But you know the first time we all met. It wasn't your podcast yet. It was on the set. Oh, it's telling me. Before you guys had a dollar, and now I'm in this bazillion dollar Studio 20 yeah, actually 20 bazillion. I didn't want to put your business in the streets

But if you want to tell people again, how rich you are Yeah, so bravo to you guys the first time you want to part my take I remember we were in three different locations I was in like my New York apartment. I think big cat might have been sys and sys For some reason you were in Hollywood Hills, Hobnobbing with big shots and as I normally do, I remember my washer and dryer was right behind me because that was also my kitchen. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, you just reached in for clean laundry and your top ramen, but you guys have come a long way. So I actually, I try to black out the spelling

beat because it was kind of embarrassing. Was that a low point for you in your career? No, that was a high point. We'd be like, what office do you have in your directions? We walked in, I remember it was so sad because we walked into Fox Sports and there was like a timed union dinner and everyone left and we're like, who's gonna run the cameras?

And they're like, we'll let one guy stay. So it was like one guy, Krisa, me, Dave, and Hank standing there and being like, who's gonna run the cameras? And they're like, we'll let one guy stay. So it's like one guy, Chris, a me, Dave, and Hank standing there and being like, what are we doing? It was fantastic. So for those of you that were born, I don't know, recently, Fox Sports Live was the first program on FS1 when it became a cable entity.

And we had no idea what we were doing, but I still reference that show regularly because the shit that we got away with was phenomenal. Gary Payton openly referencing, like, I jerked off $30 million in Andy Roddick saying, what's the other hand for? Like, it is one of the greatest moments that no one saw on television. We had so much fun. It was Gary Payton, Donovan McNabb, Andy Roddick, Gabe Kapler.

Yes. Was on it as well. And the show didn't do as well as we wanted, but you guys were a highlight. And I just, I'm just very proud of how you've come. I remember the whole time just being like, Chris, it probably was like, why? She's gonna call her agent after this and be like,

what did you just sign me up for? This is crazy. On the contrary, I just watched from afar. You guys continue to succeed. Yeah, what would you say is the low point in your career? Oh God, low point in my career, probably when I said playcock instead of play clock at a Minnesota Gofers game

when I was looking for the big 10 that were. Did you have it? It was so cold outside and I kept saying the word over and over again because I tried to correct it. And then at this point I was like, back to you, Tom. Like, I have to say, rock 10 times. I was like, I'm gonna be fired. There's no way I'm gonna continue in this industry,

but yeah, that was in a highlight. You have a word with you after that? Were they like, did you do that in purpose? No, I mean, they understood, you know, the minutes, like, it was outside. Right, yeah. Like, there wasn't a dome at the time. The old GoFers game.

Yeah. So, they understood that I was freezing, but they were like, hey, maybe next time, like, if you get the word wrong on accident, maybe you don't keep saying it. Time, I also were like, hey, maybe next time, like if you get the word wrong on accident, maybe don't keep saying it. Time. I also, like, it's maybe because we've been around media for so long now and been doing this.

I, my respect for sideline analysts and people who are like, cutting to has grown exponentially because you guys get like no time and you have to nail it. And it's like, we're going to go to you 20 seconds. You got to get everything out. All this information. And I would, I would do that. I'd play, say playcock, cock every time. There is a reason that I'm no longer a sideline reporter and I say this to Aaron.

Andres all the time. I'm like, you, you prep all week long. You have all these calls with players. You have all these calls with coaches. You have all this for 15 to 20 seconds. And then half the time, it's not even on camera. Right. It's just like a report.

So I'm like, the amount, the ROI on the amount of work that you put in versus what you actually see, I give them so much respect. And there's a reason that I don't do that. Sorry, that's a very good idea. Yeah, I would just freeze every time they send it to me. But like, wait, on, okay. And they're like, all right, that's all the time.

Time's up. No, back to you. Details with how you hold the mic. Each reporter's got a different grip on it. Do I go too thin? Do I go three? Do I do the extended pinky? Like, which way you have to make sure that the mic flag is pointed directly at the camera.

And there's a lot of red meat, too, because it's like a break in the action. So if you screw up anything, that's all anybody talks about for the next five minutes on Twitter. It's a big like, where's the upside? Like, you're only going to fail in that situation. Yeah, I just talked to Mike Tomlin.

He says that we need to go out in the second half and compete. I, and I've said this before, so I haven't been fired for saying it, but I'll say it again. I would make up the report sometimes because a, the coach wouldn't come out at halftime, or it was too late, I was like I didn't want to screw up the reports. I was like I'm just going to make this up because first of all no coach is going to get mad if I say hey we need to stop hurting ourselves. We need to be better on third down. We need to stop turning the ball over. Yeah exactly and do a better job of getting off the field. Like they're not going to correct me on that. I'm like it's fine. I'll just make up the

report. It would be very funny if you were like, yeah, so I just spoke with Arthur Smith at halftime. And he said, be John Robinson, blue smoke in his face. Yeah. I was not getting the ball. Yeah. That would be funny. If you made up like I would go back and do sidelines. If I could make it up like you know, best show, like how funny that show was because of like the stuff that what's the actor, what's the guys? Chris was a... No, incorrect. Whoever the... Tom Hanks.

Actor is, no, that's incorrect. Yes, it was a... Michael McCann. Okay. Anyways, the guy that plays, who's the actor, I think he passed away, in Best in Show, and Chris Myers is like a spot on version of him in real, but the dog show doesn't let you have fun.

No. That's the only reason I wouldn't want to do the show Yeah, we got kicked out of the dog show well We also I didn't been kicked out of a lot of well We also fake the credential. I got arrested at the dog show. I didn't hear about that Yeah, that was actually the highlight of my career That might be the low light of most people But I got arrested and I was put into a holding cell and no you were not and I was like a dog kennel

Yeah, yeah, they basically put me downstairs like where the great Danes were, they're like staying here. The Department of Homeland Security started asking me questions because they thought that we had fake credentials to get in. They thought that we were terrorists. I was like, I honestly, That's not funny. I wanted to come in here and pet dogs.

And the funny thing was, it wasn't even really for content. No, we just wanted to show dogs. We just wanted to hang out with fake credentials. I want to work here. They were bad fake credentials. Wait, I think Amazon Prime for Thursday night football spiced it up a little, we should have like two true truths in a lie, like that sideline reporter. Like they're going to make up one and you guys have to guess. I might do that in

the post game show, depending on how this game goes here out Thursday. So no problem. We're taping this before Bears Panthers. We probably run this next week, which, but we got, you guys have Black Friday too, Jess dolphins. Yep. Um, Bears Panthers. Yeah, I'm sorry. It, no, hey, look, it's the only game on. I always look at it like this. This is also why I've gambled in the past. Like I don't care about basketball game four in the NBA season,

but I care if I put money on it, right? So it's the only game on, it's prime time. What else are you doing? So even if the teams maybe aren't as great as you want and the matchups not ideal, it's still the NFL and it's football. It's also Thursday night football. I love it because it's like the unofficial kickoff

to the weekend. You're like, all right, here we go. We have all the football ahead of us because I'm so dumb that like when Monday rolls around, I'm watching Monday football like, oh man.'s over three days. So we got football. Yeah see now we're being optimistic. Yeah, it's a beautiful one. It's the father in you. Yeah, it's like kick off. We remember when you had no children you're all grown up now. I know. Yeah, I'm just a lot more tired. All right, so Thursday night football on Amazon Prime. It seems

like you guys have an awesome time. The best. It seems like you guys have a really fun time. How has it been in terms of place, spot in your career, like getting to work with all these people because the entire panel is just characters? So shout out to Amazon for giving us the runway to be ourselves, right? I mean, you guys, I don't need to tell you, you've made a very good living off of being yourselves.

And when an employer allows you that same as at Fox, like they've always let me be who I am, good, bad, or indifferent. And Amazon does the same thing. Fits is ripping off his shirt, you know, in Buffalo. And Whitt is carrying Kevin Hart off the set. Like there's just, they let us be us. And I think, hopefully, the viewer sees that it's authentic because we aren't polished and we're not I mean there's a time and a place to be professional but at the end of the day it's football it's fun and it's not that serious so balancing

information and entertainment is sort of the perfect 50-50 goal and that's hopefully what we do everywhere. Are you allowed to cost on the broadcast? Are you allowed to? I think it's frowned upon, but if it's, if a, you know, a four-letter word slips out every now and then, I'm sure it's not the biggest deal, but I don't think they encourage it. It would just be awesome, especially for a game like this. You were like, welcome back to Thursday night fucking football. Yeah.

You want me to do it? That sounds. You should never dare me to do anything, because I'll try it once, probably twice. Boy, does this thing fucking suck. Yeah. That was a nice slip in there. Hey, I got jokes, guys.

Maybe you got a new boyfriend. I do have a great boyfriend because I was a terrible scout. Like, I should never be a GM. I think I'm get, like, first rounders and they end up being total bust. So I now don't pick my boyfriend and actually. So what else did? So what is it like dating Ryan Ricella? Ryan Ricella and I are finally together after all these years.

He is my brother and this is the kind of relationship we have. I know everyone, I remember Van Pelt was always like, you and Ricella should get together. I'm like, he's like my brother. I'm like, I know that. I know that. Do you have a pact where if you're both 16 single, you should make a pic of listen.

If you're both 16 single, will you marry Ryan Ricella? No, cuz he's like my brother and I'm just not into marrying my siblings. Friend zone, yeah. No, it's not a friend zone. He would feel the same way. He'd be like, my buddy. No way I could marry my sister. We're just like too close. I heard that so much in eighth grade. Yeah. We're just too close to friends and I want to ruin it.

Yeah. Eighth grade, but sometimes, no, I'm just kidding. Wait, so who picked your new boyfriend? Matthew Stafford and Kelly. Oh, yeah, they were like, yeah, they were like, they were like Chris. You've dated some real losers and married some so we're gonna pick And I just thought it was like a rebound. I was like this is cool like I'll date this guy's chill easy going and then actually It's my longest relationship. I've ever been in so Happy relationships, you know, we've had some real bad ones, but yeah, we got to meet him to approve.

You would approve. Yeah, maybe Super Bowl week will meet him. Yeah, give him, you know, the ocular pat down. I'm going to get him hammered and try to have some tough conversations with him. Hard hitting questions. Not few truths in a lie. That's what you should have the game come on. Yeah, we're going to get him hammered and be like, Hey, we're still talking about shit

about you. She probably stepped to him. Yeah, yeah, get him hammered and just talk about how handsome Rassilo. No, you guys know how much you use squat because the solo squat's like 450. Ryan is fucking jacked. Yeah, you're not.

We need to get Rassilo out of the house. His house is almost as nice as your guys at studio. It's beautiful. Yeah, we went to it. This guy's rich too. What's going on? I still have 75 jobs and you guys have the best ones and are loaded.

I actually think that Resilla would be great in prison. He would love that. There's a headline. Think about it because like, he doesn't really go outside that much as long as prison had league pass. Yeah, and weights. Yeah, he's obviously prison has weights. So he just workout, eat, and then watch basketball all day.

Tails from the prison yard. Yeah. It's actually in prison right now, just in a $10 million house. That's the best bowl. That's the best bowl. He's like Pablo Escobar. All right, so I actually, I got a question for you.

It's, we play this game with every guest that sits down. Oh, so I'm not special. Okay, good. No, but it's like a recurring thing that you do. You know, you guys have bits that you do on Thursday football. You have a gun and there's one bullet in your gun and you have to shoot somebody. Do you shoot Aaron Andrews?

Or do you shoot Jeff Bezos? Where am I shooting them? In the head. In the face. Oh, Jesus. In the face. I can play this with everyone. Back at everyone, we ask the same question to everybody.

Execution style. Everyone always says Bezos, by the way. I would never kill Jeff. He signs my check. Oh, yeah. So that's me, Aaron. So bye. No, because she would know, no, I would never kill Jeff. He signs my check. Yeah, so that's me, Aaron. So bye. No, because she would know, no, I would never kill Aaron. I, this is hard.

You have to answer this. Yeah, but if you, if you don't shoot anybody or you try to shoot yourself, then everybody dies. Oh, yeah, I would shoot myself. But then you go down together. Yeah, Jeff. We're all at, yeah, I'd rather, I'd rather take us all out than have to pick.

Yeah, so it's beautiful. First of Thompson wants to murder Aaron. And myself and Jeff. Okay. And I'll be in heaven together in a really nice house. Yeah, that's true. Do you think that would actually suck because Jeff Bezos would definitely get like the first billing in that, right?

Yeah. So it would be his house. Yeah. Yeah. Like Jeff Bezos dies also present Aaron Andrews. Oh, yeah. We're always the others. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Your podcast with Aaron though probably will go top yeah, we're always the others. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Your podcast with Aaron though, probably will go top of the charts. I'm fine. Then death it is. It's like when a musician dies and everyone just listens to all their music that week, there we go.

Yeah, he should die more. We've recorded episodes. This is now Michael's calling right. Oh, when I didn't let us talk to Larry David. Do you want to talk to Al? Yeah, yeah. Al, don't say anything.

You're on speaker phone. Say hi to the part of my take guys. I'll wait a minute. Are you on the air? I am. So say hi to part of my take. Yeah, say say hello. Hey, gang. Is this a paid the period? Yeah, I don't do anything for free. I need money. You know, yeah, we, we, Al, we offered you $ hundred thousand dollars to come on the podcast for you declined

paid a paid a pair of for me oh yes yes that is you you'll get a check secret has enough money no i don't have a lot of bills uh... yeah okay say goodbye before we both get fired a lot of that by the way you're not back tomorrow right what we do we're going to yeah i'm coming back to LA. Oh, with me, right? Yeah, we're all coming back together. You've already kicked me off the plane. I mean, it's coming.

I mean, I do me, Kayleigh, and Jared. I'll go to LA. Perfect. Oh, we got Eric and Dan, too. Yeah, yeah, we'll go. Well, look at that. We have a party. Yeah, yeah.

We love you all. I'm going to LA anyways. I'm going to LA. I'm going to LA. I'm going to LA. Perfect. Oh wait, we got Eric and Dan too. Yeah, yeah, we'll go we'll go well look at that. We have a party. Yeah We love you. I'll I'm going to LA anyways, so we'll catch up This guy he's good everyone The Cal bears no the bears back. The Cal bears? No, the bears. That's how we need to end this conversation. I love you. I love you. I'll see you. I've got nothing better than that a lot. I was so close to the Cal bears. Uh, Al bear. Jake Marsha's jaw was more of that entire

phone. So, so my and this is how sweet all is probably because he feels bad for all of us peasants he let us fly back with him. It's a little PJ talk on his yeah, PJ big on PFC one on the game. So you guys are all my PJ. Oh, thank you. Thank you. We're going to be on his.

He gets a PJ too, right? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So I saw a tweet from her. He yesterday. Uh, he does travel a lot. He's got his dog with him on the plane now.

Yeah. And he said that his dog just got certified as an emotional support animal. That feels like a fake emotional support animal to me. It feels like he just want to do that for PJ. Yeah. That's probably true. Yeah. Yeah. But I'm definitely don't. I'm not going to question the authenticity of Ben because Ben can do no That's a dog's name. Yeah, I'm pro-bend What I'd like to because I'm gonna turn this around and open this discussion up for the fake pre-borders

Those are the people I want credentials on yeah, you gotta show me the handicap I'm all for you having to get on the plane early, but you look like you're walking fine Yeah, you look you're talking to me right now. I walk, I slip in. You're that guy. Yeah, I slip in. You're the guy that like, oh, I've got kids. I gotta get on her. No, I don't say anything.

You just slip in. With all your children or your face pre-order. No, by myself. Your face pre-order. Yeah. Are these people? He gets always been like a group three is called and he's like way back in the day.

If he's good, five, he's just. No, yeah, this one's not group three. He just goes up with, he goes up with three. No, the best is the group seven. He just goes up with, he goes up with three. No, the best is the group sevens that are hovering around the entrance. Yeah, I don't know. I'm the asshole that's gonna be like,

hey, what group are you and they're like seven? And I'm like, oh, sorry, can I get by? And then it's like, oh, I'm an asshole because I'm in first class. I've been in 32b most of my life. You got to be, I'm right. I'm moonwalking into first class at this point. I'd never hover.

It's literally just as soon as they start boarding the very first person like All right, let's go. You're a pre-border. You know what? No, I'm sitting first class. How long have I known you 10 years? We're now that guy. I have no problem with it. They never say anything. It's a hack in the system. Yeah, because then we're Not supposed to question if you actually have a handicap question all the rules Steve Jobs taught me that. I don't know if Steve Jobs said that. One time I had a guitar and they told me you can get on with the preboard and I did.

I started off- Well, how do you have an instrument? Yeah, they said, I said, sir, you have a guitar. You obviously need that to function in society. A weird guy. So I went up to the front and then aligned behind me formed. I was the first person preboard.

Everybody behind me was a veteran. And I had to go in front of veteran. No, they got behind me. And then I, and they looked at me, I was like, I got the guitar. They have like Vietnam hats on. And I'm like, it's a Gibson. You're an asshole.

They told me to. I don't go in front of veterans. They told me to. I don't go in front of veterans. They told me to. I don't go in front of veterans. If they say boarding group one is boarding and I'm group two, I will get in the back of group one.

They're gonna get to two. I know how numbers work. You're everything wrong with this. No, not at all with society. With society with life. Yeah, let's just with your generation. I like people do that. Wait, so I want to go back because you said that.

So Matthew Stafford and Kelly hooked you up, but you also kind of hooked up Taylor Swift and Travis Kelsey. No, I can't take, we can't take credit for that. No, take credit, no, do it because we want to clip and we'll just put it in. Oh, for social, yeah. No, Travis was very sweet and he said, I owe you guys big time. Now, this is that how this whole deal played out was Aaron and I have known Travis, you know, forever. And he's been so great to us. He bought Aaron a baby present when she had Mac like that's the line of

a demarcation of a being a good guy. Yeah. When I didn't buy you a baby gift. I'm gonna say since everybody bought a baby present probably. Let's know. Why are we that's where you go? You know, that's where they lose line. There's other loose line more life than buying somebody like he's a great guy. He bought a baby present You are Travis Kelsey. You don't even he doesn't even have to know that Aaron had a baby But he took the time but this is this is pre-tailed Yes, summer. He was that's not true. How do we know that what was the? Yeah? They got summer saying that Travis knew that if he did this that you would go on a podcast. Yeah, because it really matters. All right, Travis is a great guy. We wanted him to be with someone great. We love Taylor Swift. So the whole story, you

know, he was telling it on his podcast, his brother about how he had made the friendship bracelet with his phone number on it. He couldn't give it to her. Okay, we all know that. And we were like, we have to give Taylor, like give Travis a try. This was like months before they ended up getting together. So in sort of a tongue-in-cheek way, I think he was like, oh, you guys, big time. We had nothing to do with it, but we will gladly take credit for things we did not do.

Okay, can you hook maybe Hank up with somebody? Yeah. He's always singing sexy red. Okay, so what? He's always like my booty-hole brown. He says all the time. Right. So do you think maybe you could put the word out

to sexy red like Hank Lockwood single red and mingle? Sure. Ice spice. What, I don't know ice spice. Yeah, that's cool. I know the name. Can she introduce her as a snarl or something? I don't know.

I'm happy to play matchmaker. I love love, even if I'm been terrible at it in the past. Do you think Hank would be cute with? That's his type. Everything, everything. Oh, wow, that narrow. All big, small, tall, short. I like that equal opportunity. Oh, he loves big.

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I love both my dogs, but Willis is my favorite because he's the OG and he's been there the longest So what's your other dogs name Daisy he knows she knows yeah, he she knows. Yeah, she yeah, it's a she Well, I felt bad because I bought Willis and I was like I'm a dick. I need to adopt a dog because I believe that all dogs Hence the proceeds for Ruby ranch are going to the dog rescue that I'm gonna start on the ranch because I believe that all dogs hence the proceeds for Ruby Ranch are going to the dog rescue that I'm gonna start on the ranch. Because I was like, oh, I need to do a doptodog and she's the sweetest dog in the world and then the dog that I bought is a dick

but I love him because he knows that I bought him and he's like, I'm rich and you're poor. Yeah, right. Wait, so the ranch we gotta get some still blue coffee there cause I have a coffee. Yes, I would love that. Help dogs, but tell us about the ranch, you bought a ranch. Yes, because I watched Yellowstone, I was that chick that was like, oh, now I want a ranch.

So I looked for a long time, I found this awesome property and I'm renovating it currently, and then I'm gonna just bring all the dogs that I can onto the ranch. I have cattle there right now, I have a pig, I've got a horse, and I'm just going to turn into a big animal rescue, because I'm a shitty person, in a lot of ways, with this is like my good deed. This is my deposit back into life.

So you have the happiest place on earth? It really is. I called it Ruby Ranch, because there's no place like home, and it's my version of Disneyland. It's just animals running free. My vision of retirement is just having kind of a ranch or a farm with a whole bunch of animals and just hanging out on my porch.

It's strong a ball. Okay, then come to Ruby Ranch. Me, you, Resilow, you're welcome to come for the kids. The love the animals, bunch of chickens, they have fresh eggs in the morning, it's awesome. It's like the best, like look at this point, professionally and like personally, we've done a bunch of different stuff.

We've been, when I used to work in entertainment,. You're like okay, you go to the Oscars You go do super balls like you've done all these things and then I feel like as I get older I want to do less and less and less and like go to the middle of nowhere and talk to no one So have you been able to do less like this is I actually am very curious about We talk about it every now and then allude to it like it. Like, someday we won't, someday everything ends. I look at it like this. As long as I have opportunities to stay employed, I wanna stay employed as long as I can,

because I love my job. It doesn't feel like work, right? I'm sure you guys feel exactly the same way. So, hence why I'm very fortunate that Fox lets me also work at Amazon. Amazon, it's a Fox. I get to do the podcast. I started an interior design company during COVID.

I just like to do a lot of things if the opportunities are there, but I also know that those will go away one day. So then at that point, I'll just disappear on the ranch. And I always think about it like this. Like if you're on the bull's day on until that thing bucks you, and then be like, peace. That's a great setup.

As long as people are still giving you money to do an insane job that you love. Yeah, why would I be like 100% and then at the end of the day, you're like, I'm just gonna go hang out with the animals now I see it by humans. That's a great you you've set it up perfectly But this is why I have so much respect for people like Barry Sanders or Andrew Luck who like walked away from a game Where they could make so much much especially you know nowadays with Andrew like you know more recent I know the paid checks weren't the same for Barry back in the day, but like the guys that walk away from that,

and I know it's not just about money, but for me right now, it is like paying bills and like stockpiling cash and then disappearing. Yeah, that's the problem for us. Like we'll never stop doing this because if we said we're gonna retire tomorrow, like Sunday at TextPF team, like you wanna watch some football?

If I had told you guys, like 10 10 years ago when you're on the set What during the union break? Yeah, the best union line ever was one of the guys goes They're like, okay, five minute break he goes you can't take a five minute break in six minutes And I was like that's the union right there in a nutshell But if I want to told you guys 10 years ago while you were sitting there Not spelling the words correctly that you would be here, you wouldn't probably have believed it.

No, it's been a dream. Why have you guys been so successful, do you think? So, I mean, there's a lot to that. A lot of it does have to do with timing. I would say lock, yeah. A lot of it has to do with timing because we started a podcast before everybody had a podcast. Yeah.

There were some. Is that a shot at Aaron and I? Yeah, yeah. It was a shot at you. On the fuck down. Again, I love Aaron. She's the best. But yeah, like everybody has a podcast now.

Yeah. And there wasn't that much competition to like mainstream sports talk radio, mainstream, you know, television that you watch in the mornings. So we kind of were in the right place at the right time. Yeah. And I think we tapped into a way of watching sports that a lot of people really missed, which was they're supposed to be fun and you're supposed to be able to make jokes and you're not supposed to take it too seriously.

And I think also when we started our production value was like nothing, right? And so people liked that. It was refreshing. You don't want to watch people talk about sports wearing a suit in a studio being super professional. It's like that's not how people talk about the game. But that's also what I like about Amazon and even Fox two where it's like, yeah, it's said a little bit more professional Fox just because like they are in a studio, but you don't have to wear a tie.

And for Amazon, like it's just fits is wearing a Hawaiian shirt. Like, you know, just being authentically yourself is cool too. Yeah. And the great thing with like Terry and Jimmy is you can put them in a suit, but that doesn't mean that they're going to be like, yeah, yeah, yeah, buttoned up and stuff. But how have you guys navigated in the cancel culture that we live in? Like, how do you feel like you've been able to sort of dodge these landmines that exist that you're, I feel like this, like people are waiting for you to mess up.

Yeah. Back to the aforementioned, like, sideline thing thing, you do one thing wrong and it's like, I know this all too well, things don't leave the internet and really bad shit's happened to me. And it's like, people can still see that. And I was a victim of something really shitty, but people still take shots. And it's my fault that my phone got hacked, right?

So it's like, there's all these land mines out there that you have to navigate and how have you guys done that with success and not been canceled. I think it honestly and people will, we've said this many times before and people like, all you guys are just saying this, say this, but getting canceled on ESPN was the best thing to happen to us because you guys know my thoughts on all that. Yeah, we started at this like, you know, progression where we started the show, it got really big, way bigger than we thought very fast. And then it was like, all right, what's the next step?

Oh, we gotta get a TV show. Then that all comes crumbling down. And as disappointed as we were in the moment, we both and Hank included had the epiphany of like, our audience will go anywhere for us. Our audience. They're coming for you guys. Right, they will be here for us.

We don't need to go to some other platform. We don't need to take this step up in like, you know, being on TV or doing something else. We can do what we want to do in our world and our audience will back us. And so I think having that, like, we almost have like this little island that we can't be touched.

Obviously there's things that could touch us, not saying that like, you know, anyone. No, of course. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I think we've put up so many years of content that people have enjoyed and they've been with us for so long that we know what we have and we're happy with it

and we don't have to try to look for the next best thing. Well, that's where you always go, you know, the guys over at Fox, they've been together for 30 years. You can consume sports anywhere now, right? Your phone, watch a show, don't watch a show, listen to the podcast, but you are coming for the people and investing in people. And even we had Dan Patrick on our podcast and just those were the hay days of ESPN because it was about

the Burmans, it was about the, you know, rich eyes and it was about the individuals and the sports were secondary. And like that shift is now It's like and that's you know everyone has like a changing of the guards with whatever they're doing and I don't know What's going on over there because I don't work there anymore, but I love people right that's even for me like with sports teams Like yes, I have fandom being from Seattle and I root for Seattle teams But like I still root for individuals if they go somewhere else right Right, right. And it really does come down to like, there's something very freeing about realizing that what you have is awesome.

And not saying, oh, I need the next thing. And the grass is greener and that stuff. Like, except in relationships, I'm always looking for the next best thing. I'm kidding. Yeah. Steve, we love you. That's remaining to be seen.

That's a cute name for Ryan Steve. You guys really want me to be together with Ryan. We'll have a fake wedding. No, it's fine Like when people's dogs get married to each other, you're gonna do a fake wedding with Resilient. I wish I wish some of my weddings were fake, you know What saved me a lot of money? Oh When you say some of my weddings that's always a good sign. Hey look guys, you know in life you have to own who you are Yeah, there's a many chapters to my story and I'm good with all of them. Yes. Yeah, um, does any any fan base hate you? Oh, I'm sure Is there one that you you mean like a like a city or yeah, like yeah, you hear from

I don't know I mean I mean now. I don't know. I don't think that there's one I haven't We can find one for you. Oh, I'm sure Yeah, look about it. What do you think about Dak Prescott? Oh, I have no problem with Dak Prescott I think he's in an enviable position, but also a great position if you're the quarterback for America's team It comes the good comes with the bad. I don't I don't ever feel sorry for people that are in positions that are Enviable we think about the bills. I love the bills I'm having like when we went there last week or two weeks ago, whatever it was, phenomenal. Like what a great fucking city. Why you're you're looking

for me. I'm fishing. I'm not I'm not a fishing. No, I don't think there's a fan base that's like I have a target on my back. I'm sure that there's a lot of individuals that think of annoying. But do you like read your comments? No, I stopped doing that after the bad thing happened to me because it was only gonna be whatever. But I think I told you guys this, really early on in my career, I was just for that in quotes because I was feeling like a dick being like my career.

Dead spin, you guys weren't born yet. Road and article and said, because I dyed my hair last. Remember that I remember that. I gave you the barb. I forgot this. I didn't want to be a Barbie on the sidelines. Now I'm like, oh God, my hair last. I remember that. I remember that. I did, right? I've looked at this.

I didn't want to be a Barbie on the sidelines. Now I'm like, oh God, I'd love to be a Barbie on the sidelines. I'm going back. I dyed my hair dark and they wrote that Kyrista Thompson's on his suicidal path to front B.Vill and I cried and I was like, oh my God, that's so mean. And then after that, I was like, who cares? And then they became the judges of everyone. Isn't that funny how it works?

It bored. Yeah, I think the people who judge the most have stuff were in the past where they're like, Oh, yeah, I've changed as a person. Yeah, I mean, growing up, my mom was like, you don't like everyone. Why would you think that everyone likes you? I just think that really early on, it was about if I'm going to get into this industry, be prepared for negative comments. Someone's not going to like the way you look or or not like your hair, or not like what you're wearing. Who cares? As long as I stay employed and the people I work with

and the people I work for are good with me, then I don't really care what Joe and the basement thinks. That's smart though. It's hard to get to that point. I struggled with it. Did you? Yeah, of course. When you start and you read, you know,

especially when it's early internet, and it feels like we would blog, and it it's early internet and like it feels like you know We would blog and it'd be like 20 comments every blog. So you could read them all and yeah You you definitely see it and you like it you see 19 positive comments one negative Of course only one that sticks to you and then you got to slowly get your point where it's like listen There's gonna be people who hate me. It was right what it is what it is Twitter came out and I didn't know how the search It was right what it is what it is Twitter came out and I didn't know how the search button on it works So I put in krisa Thompson. Oh, no never do it. You guys no, no, no I tweeted out my name

Oh, I didn't know how work and so that I came back and everyone's like cool Is that how you spell your name? And I was like fuck that's embarrassing. I was like looking up what people are saying It was a tweet and so then that was like really early on. I must have wanted to come out like 2004 or something. Yeah. Yeah. So it was right then. And then after everything bad that I have in the me, I was like, I'm not looking at any of this crap anymore. But yeah, I just, and I don't say this arrogantly, I just am very comfortable with, you know, that's why I self-deprecated about whether it's the marriage stuff. We're like, if I have this zit on my face or what I don't really care anymore, and not in a bad way, I just think I'm like, at a point,

I'm sure you guys are there too, where you're comfortable with who you are, and that's very liberating. It's very liberating. I saw that zit, I was like, she's so brave. Yeah, I know. I am, I'm a hero.

Just like that. Yeah, yeah. Stars, they're just like us, they're grocery shopping. The biggest complaint that we get, which I actually agree with now, is that the cameras that we have are too high. Oh, it's gross. Like me and Big Cat are not not this face right here. I couldn't get me more. This face

is meant for radio and my voice is meant for Allegra. How many chins am I getting over here? It's bad. You guys, I'm not interested in seeing 4k, 12k, like back up, blur the photo, give me some film like the best pictures that we have. Yes. When we looked at our parents, you know, photo albums, they look incredible. I know. Because it's blurry. It's basically a filter now is like what photographs were back in the day. I do not want. And back the camera up.

Why are we so low? And unlike you, you probably have a great team at Fox and Amazon. Our team loves to just like, if we take a bad picture, that's the thumbnail. That's the stuff. Yeah. Like, wait, no, you know who does that? Articles do that. Why do they pull like a random, getting image when you're like mid conversation? Or again, like, I took one picture to Fanatics party like five years ago. And you can't, and everyone used to say, and you're gonna use it. Right. You're like, dude, I don't look like that anymore. I know I had this one. No, I look fatter, but yeah. You're stupid.

I had a wearing like, it was like my first headshot when I worked for the Colorado Rockies and I was in this brown suit and I saved up all my money and bought it at Express and I thought I was like killing it. That, I couldn't get rid of that stupid picture for like 20 years. So our guys go worse.

They actually take pictures of us and then they go in and they Photoshop them to make us worse. Look, and worse. What do they do? These people work for you. Yes, that's serious. They will fire them. They will make us worse. Look, and worse. What do they do? They'll make, they'll make, they'll make us, yeah. They will put like, eyes under our eyes. The best though, and especially like now

in like the filter days or you know, editing photos or something and someone's like, oh, you look great there. I'm like, yeah, because that's not what they look like. And I don't care. I don't want to know what I look like anymore. When your phone's like face not recognized, I'm like, perfect.

Oh, yeah. Some shit's changed. Although I did what I was doing way too much Botox for a while And I was like I look like a cat like we need to stop Yeah, and bring it down a notch my mom goes what are we doing here? Like that's the thing where you like realize you're like Yeah, so it's also funny when we just don't understand how age works They'll like see a picture of me from seven years ago. They're like damn what happened? I'm like seven years dude What do you mean what happened? Seven years. Right, exactly.

I have three children, and I'm really rich. My favorite con coward line was someone said to him, they were like, how do you sleep at night with the things you say? And he's like, next to a really hot red head on a bed full of money. And it's like, I'm good.

That's great. That's how I sleep. That's how I think. All right, well, I know you are a press for time. This has been awesome. No, I'm not. I don't have nothing to do. Oh, okay. So you can stay forever. Perfect. You do the whole show with us.

No, I will get out of here. I love you guys. I'm so proud of you. I really am like on my R way over here with Fitz and what I know you're going to talk to him next. But I was just saying, I'm good for you guys. Appreciate it. I'm proud of you too. And you've done it your way.

Yes. It's good for you guys. It's always nice having friends on who like we've known for a very long time and just seeing it. It's just great. Yeah. I'm really proud of you too. And you've done it your way. It's good for you guys. It's always nice having friends on who like we've known for a very long time and just seeing it. It's just great. I'm really proud of you guys. I will take some of that coffee. That's awesome. Yes.

Yes. You get some of the coffee. I have one last question. Robac question. R-H-O-B-A-C-K dot com promo code take 20% off your first purchase. R-H-O-B-A-C-K dot com. Q-Zips, polos, hoodies, jogger shorts. Robac dot com.

promo code take. What night are we going to go out? Super well we out super we can Vegas all of them now I can't do all of them I only can do one so we don't have the game this year so Fox has it two of the three years We had it last year and we'll have it next year So this is sort of my free year because I don't actually have to do the broadcast so I'm down for all of them Yeah, stay night. Yeah, Wednesday is usually pretty good. Yeah, maybe Thursday, too Maybe get a pack of heaters smoke up Johnny real banner. You're at the bender household. It's just I can't do. Yeah, this is going to kill me actually. New Orleans is going to kill me next year. Yeah, I got to be more

disciplined on that one. I we went to the final four New Orleans a few years ago. The last day we were in there. We were there for like six days. I'm not joking. I took a walk. I just walked for seven miles away from the hotel and then seven miles back because I was so bloated and felt so crappy. You get in more trouble in New Orleans and you do in Vegas. Yeah, because the food, yeah, the drinks too,

the hand grenades, and then just. The hurricane. You just have side of mumbo with everything. Yeah, you can smoke six inside in New Orleans. It's crazy. Wait, I'm gonna, because Witt's coming in here. Witt, of course, being from Louisiana when we were down there.

He ate so much because he went out with David Changs on our show as well. I don't, incredible, you know, Michelin Chef and has done more in his life than I'll ever do, but him and Witt went out and they ate at every place in town, which like I feel so sick. I would start every day,

be like, oh yeah, why wouldn't I have five benches with my coffee? You look great. No, I don't that's okay Chris you're the best love you guys. Thank you coming on. Thank you for stopping by thanks for so and by the way Next podcast we're doing the fourth one or fifth one depending on how we're counting this thing we'll do it at the ranch Yes, I'm not kidding. I'll get you as up on my horse will chase some you know steer around and have a time I like it. I like it. I don't want to horse. I'll get you to ask up on my horse. We'll chase some, you know, steer around and have a time. I like it, I like it so much. I don't wanna horse. I'll pet the dogs.

I've been on a horse one time. I'll spend the ground. I love it, feet on the ground. I'm still on the horse too. I love it. All right, bye guys. Love ya. I love you.

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Okay, we now welcome on a very special guest. He is the manager of the Texas Rangers who just won the World Series. His fourth World Series, some are saying maybe the greatest manager in MLB history. We can maybe have that debate. It is Bruce Bochi. I want to start by saying, we just, we just heard you talking to someone from your team, IT team. They called you Skip. Can we call you Skip? Please, please. Yeah, that works for me. Okay great. All right. We'll skip How's it, uh, you know the dust is settled you have it a couple weeks for fourth world series

Where does this rank how are you feeling like in terms of oh my gosh? We just did that like no one expected us to win this thing and we just want a world series by winning every game on the road Yeah, well I'll first Begin with I mean it was a hell of a ride, especially what these guys end up doing. You know, winning 11 consecutive games on the road against the teams that we had to play. So, you know, they're all special and they're special in their own way, but this one, you know, we did deal with a lot and for this to happen. It really hasn't sunk in, be honest. It happened so fast and you had to parade.

And I just drove to Nashville, but it can now were dry from Dallas. So I'm being humbled here right now. I got my wife telling me, take the trash out and get grandkids on me. So right now I'm just chilling, relaxing. But at some point this winter, I'm sure I'll reflect and just think how blessed I am for this to happen, especially the first year,

there's so many people to thank for this. Yeah, for sure, Skip. The question about coming back to Major League Baseball, so you were in Nashville, you were enjoying life, like you said, your grandchildren hanging out, thought you were retired, you get a call. Like you said, your grandchildren hanging out, thought you were retired. You get a call to come back and manage again. Now, you were only out for a few years, but was there anything that changed about Major League Baseball and about

managing in those short years that you were out that took you a couple of weeks, maybe a month or two, get used to a new way of doing things? Well, I'll say it's the game. Yeah, it changed quite a bit. I think you look at the roles. This was the first time I had to deal with the three better minimum. Initially, I wasn't a big fan of it,

but it's something you get used to. I always tried to, I guess, get the best matchup I could. And so when you have a three-batter pocket there, then you know, the strategy's a little bit different, but the biggest is the clock. No question about it. And I think it has really worked out well. I love it, personally.

Keeps the game moving, action, they took the shift away. So I think it's a better game. No doubt about it. They're shorter, they took the shift away. So I think it's a better game. No doubt about it. They're shorter, they're crisper. It allows you to play your guys more. They don't need the days off like they used to. There was times when games would be over four, four and a half hours. Nobody wants to see that, you know,

when the game's dragging along. So I think it's been good for everybody. So I say that's a big step, a big step from now. As far as the players and everything, you know, there's some things that just won't change. We are guys, I mean, they're great players, they're competitive, you know, that part of never change.

The fundamentals, you know, that's never gonna change in our games, so you still have to do that. And make sure they talk about analytics. And you know, that was part of the game when I first started managing. And I'll go back to 1995 and I've granted I was using color pencils and churn out where they hit the ball and everything.

So it's a little bit different now. But, and so it really hasn't changed as much except for the better, I think. Yeah. All right. So I have a question about this run because it was an incredible run. Like I mentioned off the top,

one every road game out there. The, I'm dumb, okay. So Jose Altuve hits that home run against you guys in game five. I was like the Rangers are dead. Dead man walking, no chance to go back to Houston and win both these games. What did you say to the guys,

or was there a speech, or was it just, I trust these guys, I know that we're not dead because from the outside looking I was like, you can't come back from that where you're about to take a three to lead. And now you have to win two games in Houston. I'll be honest, I just say anything. I didn't want to say anything because I didn't want to be different than all the other times. And we took a gut punch. I mean, these guys just kept getting up all year. And you talk about the injuries.

Everything deals with them. But with the Grom and guys going down, they just kept focusing forward. But I'll go back to Seattle when we lost that last game there. If we win one more game there, we win our division. We go home in five days off. Now we've got to go to Tampa and beat those guys in their home ballpark. Didn't face these guys. They went to Baltimore, didn't face them. So I really thought the best thing for this club right now, hey, just keep doing what we're doing. That's bounce back.

I mean, they kept getting up, after getting knocked down some of doing. That's bounce back. I mean, they kept getting up after getting knocked down some of the times. It was a, I mean, we're in string series, obviously with, you know, both teams went in all road games. But this, you know, these guys did all year and it's because we had men on the team and they were able to handle it. I love it. Dogs. You had men with a bunch of dudes on the team. Yeah, when they sold you to come back to In manage the Rangers I imagine that there are some conversations about the plan that was in place to be competitive I don't know if that plan included winning a world series in year one

That probably would have been a lofty and ambitious goal for you But what how how quickly did you expect to compete? I'll be honest, when I was talking to Chris Young or General Manager, and he was talking about his vision, and our own right Davis was talking about his commitment, he was gonna go out and get some starting pitching, like Chris wanted, and he was gonna give us the tools that we needed. I really had a good feeling about this club.

Now I go to spring training, and as you mentioned, we had dudes out there, oh my goodness, this is a talented ball club with a really good pitching staff, not just in a sense of confidence all over these guys. So now this thing we're gonna win the World Series, you know, that's hard to say, but I really thought that we would have a shot at it by getting to the postseason. I really felt this club doesn't get to the postseason.

I'm gonna be shocked and that's how good I thought they'd work. So, I just looked at, you know, what they had in place. When you have a senior and senior in up the middle, Jonah Hine coming into his own Garcia. I mean, what I mean, what I do this guy is, and then you look at the young guys, the bears and young, they just were slow to with talent. So, oh, it's a surprise that we got there. Yeah, so one guy wanted to ask about specifically

Nathan Evaldi who it feels like he doesn't get enough credit for just being that like big host that you can throw out there in a series and be like, he will shut them down. He will give us innings. He did it, obviously, with the red socks. He did it again with the Rangers, but like he never gets talked about that way. What is it when he's out there? Are you at a certain level of calm?

Like I just know he's going to go out and shove. Like that's just he's got he's got those like he's just he's just nails like big moments he is there for right and I think he will talk about him now that you know part of our game you get a talent but it's performing on the pressure and we couldn't have had a better guy out there on the mountain when one more game I concurred with you know guy we had in 2014 as a club some club partner. Yes. You know certain players, those guys, they just get better in the moment, in the big moment I'm talking about.

So we had all the confidence with him and you look at the game that he pitched. I mean, he was in trouble. It seemed like every inning first four innings, but you know, he just has a calmness and confidence about him and he just, he he just nails it for you out there. So he just has a guy that I think is going to go down. He's one of the greatest postseason performers when you look at what he's done. And you can talk about that game. He had an LA.

That was amazing. But you know, game like that, I think does so much for a player. It's like, hey, I've done it. I could do it again, but he just has that maniacal focus. You love every game. And that postseason, he ran to the thing and more. I love it. Those are the type of players you just love watching because like it doesn't matter what

their regular season is. You know when the post season comes along, they're going to have it. Bumgarner's a great, you know, he was, that stretch that he had with you guys in the Giants. It felt like he was the most automatic thing, and it was just something nasty about it, whereas like, when he's on the mound, he takes it personally, and he's just never gonna get off the mound,

he's gonna get out, and that's what he's gonna do for his team. You know, I had a great seat watching it, and they are, you appreciate, you know, not just your talent, but, you know, the makeup of these guys. Because there's a lot of stake to pressure, and these guys thrive on it, they're better. That's what separates them from the average player. So we were lucky when we signed Nate, I knew that, and getting to know him. I mean, what a great teammate too. You know, you hear that a lot,

but he's off the chart with that and he's always pulling for the guys, but he's the guy that, you know, he wants, he wants the ball out there. You know, not just to win, but he's doing, he has a cause, I'm talking about, he wants to do it for his teammates. And so we were lucky to have him healthy because we lost him for a while and we were different team without him but we got him back. I think the other starters feed off him too. Yeah. What about yourself? What about if you were to self scout yourself or I guess a different way to ask would be

what would your players say about you that's different during the post season as opposed to the regular season because I think you are the best post season manager of all time. If you just look at the numbers, like you've done very well for yourself. So, do you change at all in the postseason or is it the same old, same old stay consistent throughout the year? You know what, I think the players would say that,

that I'm consistent. I hope they do. I hope they don't say, hey, manager was panicking over there, but I do things different and they were good with it. We moved the order around, hit young 8, dropped low down and these guys were all in, they didn't care. Who did it? How we did it? They just wanted to do it. So they were good with that. They were good with me. I didn't have to sit down with each one of them saying, this is why we're doing it. with me. I didn't have to sit down with each one of them say, this is why we're doing it.

So I think I had some trust from them, but I think more than anything, they said, no, he's got the same calmness that he has during the season. That's what I'm hoping they would say. Yeah. Hey, Prime members, did you know that you could be listening to this podcast episode in all Barsville Sports Podcasts on Amazon on Amazon Music ad free simply included with your prime membership. All Amazon prime members get access to the largest catalog of ad free top podcasts. You can enjoy shows like part of my take, spitting chicklets and many more. To start listening download the Amazon Music app or visit Amazon.com slash barstool 23. That's Amazon.com slash barstool 23. And now here's more Bruce Boeget. The dumb question here, but I'm dying to know it.

Obviously post season's different, but regular season, how often do you think you get bored watching baseball? There's a lot of games. Yeah, where you're just like, damn, this game is kind of boring. Are your mind wanders? Yeah, your mind wanders.

I have boring maybe a little strong, but I will say there are games. We were a club that could blow out teams. So that's going to change the game. You're actually hoping to get over to be honest. You don't want to pumble somebody too bad, or we've been on the other end. And that's the same way. Now, back when I was with the Giants,

we were called team with torture. Every game was a one-run ball game. Yeah. This was a look, just a different brand of baseball. So we had quite a few of those games. I probably used more position players, pitching this year than I used my whole career. That's where the games change a little bit.

So I'll be honest, those are games you're hoping to win pretty quick. Yeah, board might be the wrong word, but like, do you ever catch yourself in the middle, you know, like say the middle of July, you're on the road and you're like, you kind of snap too and you're like, wait, I haven't really been paying attention to the last half inning like what I should probably start watching a little more

Yeah, man, I can't say that You know because I always have a fear of getting surprised Yeah, that's my thing, you know, I talked about with the players be prepared whatever and this game will humble you man As soon as you drop your guard, something's gonna happen and I've been there and I try not to do those off too long. Yeah, that's good answer. That's probably why you're one of the best managers

of all time and I would be terrible at it. I got another dumb question for you. So one thing I love about baseball, besides the new big bases, the big bases are really nice. I'm sure you'll agree with that. They're slightly bigger. But from the managing perspective, it's the only sport where the leader of the team gets to wear the uniform on the field. So you wear the baseball pants, you put those on, you put the jersey on. I would love to see it in the NBA if like

Tom Tibado has to put on like an actual jersey to go out there to coach the game. Do you like getting dressed up in the pants or would you prefer to wear, I don't know, like some, some athletic shorts or some, like a track suit before. That's a good one. Yeah. You know what? I haven't really thought about it, but it wouldn't be a bad idea where it's sweats either something.

You know, just a little more casual, but no, actually, I'd like to put uniform on. I actually for years, my first couple of years'd like to put uniform on. Actually for years, first couple of years I still put spikes on. I like that. Yeah. A concrete dugout. So, you know, there's something about putting a uniform on. It is special. Now there's so many of them. And my biggest worry on the days I'm going to walk out with their own uniform, they get so many different ones. So my office is

separate from the club. I also got to walk in there just to see what you need. We're wearing that day. Yeah. And you also are known for having maybe the biggest head in baseball. And I don't say that as an ego thing. I'm literally saying you have the biggest head more friends. What size head do you have? I had to. Yeah. A. But some hats are where eight and a quarter. And if you notice, I think it's not couple MLB again during the postseason. When you win, when you clench each round, they break up the hats for you. And none I'm fit. It looked like a bean on my hand. I go back and look

at it. Where that has to done this look, I go back and look at it. Where that set down was looking, I look like Goam Repile running around there with this big head. So, yeah, that's kind of my guess, my claim to fame this big head. And back when I played, you know, that was really abnormal. So, that special order of my helmets and hats. Sometimes I take a while, you know, I went to good players. So I got moved around a lot, played five years in Winterball with that helmet. I had to go with me.

And so it had about 20 coats of paint on it. Do you think there was ever a front office that was like thinking about signing you and they're like, but we're gonna have to get a new helmet and like hats, like this isn't one. Yeah, you know, it's a club, he's a panic. And they, they're in full panic when I show up. I'll know. And especially at the press conference, you know, they need a little bit of time of time

You know get a hat so I could wear it to press conference. Yeah, I think it makes you smarter means you got more brains in there So I think it I think it's an advantage Yeah, I wish I wish that that was the case Yeah, there's a couple of parking spaces in there trust me There was a there was a one that I saw So the hat was hanging on by dear life in the celebration I think when you get a snapback do you go with the last button on it or is it the last two buttons that you use? Well, I try to go to the last button and it looks so bad and I just thought that's the best way to go when

When it doesn't sit and just kind of laid on the on the head and eventually it's getting to the side and everything like it's sitting now you looking like overpower around you guys are too young. I don't know. We don't go for a while for sure. We know that we know references. One thing we love about managers when they get kicked out of a game. Has there been times when you're like, I have to get kicked out to fire up my team? Like, I'm not even mad about anything, but I gotta use an excuse to get the guys riled up and like, I'm gonna go, or maybe even a time

where you're like, I kinda wanna sit in my office, air conditioning, watch the rest of the game in here. Yeah, no, you're right on both. There's times, yeah, you gotta go out there. I think when things are getting stagnant, and they need to know that you're passionate about the game, but there's some games there where, as you mentioned earlier, they get a little long in.

So you're looking for that window where you can go out there and just give them a business and go to the office and watch your rest. What's your, have you ever done the dirt on the home plate move? That's my favorite. Yeah, I did that early. I did that at 95 96 a few times. I love that too, be honest. Or a weaver was the best. No, that was one of my favorites, but I don't move around quite as well now. So I'm afraid I'll go down kicking dirt. It's just such a hilarious concept to be like I'm gonna make you clean And then the ump usually tells the catcher they have to clean it and it's just the best like the entire interaction is so funny

All right, right You know that party games Jenna left us beyond I mean it's still happening, but really you know I'm gonna argue you know balls and strikes strikes yeah you know you got you know just replaying or review it and so it's a little different game as far as that and I know that's an entertaining party game I'm at the best at my argue and I need to work on that yeah yeah but it's it's a great part of the game. I loved it from the Empire. Speaking of review real quick, I'm so fascinated by this because every player that ever has like a bang bang play thinks that they made the play and they immediately tell

the manager, hey, go look at it. Do you have a rule with some of your guys because you know that they're just not like they never are right. Like, hey, look, you think you caught that, but I like you think you catch everything. Right, right. You know, that reminds me of Steve Finley, great player I had, center fielder. And you know, he was always safe. He got me thrown out of more games just like when you could review it. And geez, I don't know what he cost me, but you know, back then I think it was 250 bucks. Everything you get thrown out, but you know, they add up.

But now with the review, it doesn't matter if they do that. You just look at it. Now where it's going to come into play, and I think we believe baseball's going to get it, Tripway, that the challenge system on balls and strikes. Yeah. You get three. And same thing what you're talking about with the players that they're playing,

every strike they cause not a strike or, you know, so that's gonna be the tough one. You gotta tell the players that it does happen. Hey, we can't burn these up on you all three. So, you know, you gotta be positive on this because that's more of a case when you gotta challenge right then. Yeah, that's the first batter of every game is going to be like use all three challenges. I was right. Yeah,

right. It was actually a specific game this year. It was on September. I think 20th. It was against the red socks where you got ejected. And the day before I believe you told your team or you made a public statement to the effect of we need to be more locked in at the plate. And then the next game, you get kicked out for arguing balls and strikes, showing your guys that you're locked in at the plate from the dugout. That's how locked in you are as the manager. So you get kicked out, they go on to win that game,

and your team rallies behind you a little bit. Would you say that that was the best objection of your career? Um, I mean, you never know. You know, it's been made a difference in now, but you know, you certainly feel better when when that happens and they do bounce back and you're hoping, well, maybe that did splice some kind of spark, you know, to get them going again because it's so long season, man.

It's 162 games and some of these games, you're going to go out there flat. So you've got to do what you can to get things going. And if you go out there, you get thrown out, come back and win. Yeah, I'll be honest. It's a pretty good feeling for a manager. Yeah. So one of our favorite players, who you manage, Tim Linsichom,

when he's came up and you're managing him, were you like, how is this possible? How is this guy throwing like this? He's so small and like, he's just a freak. He that's his nickname. What were your thoughts when you saw Tim Lensacom for the first time and you're like, this is something like I've never seen before.

Yeah, no. When first time I saw him was my first year with San Francisco in 2007, and opening day of spring training, we go out on the field. And Dave Regatti, my pitching coach, says, by the way, look over there. Look at this little scrawny kid. He probably weighed 140 pounds. I'm not serious.

I mean, he was small. that's your number one pick. You know, I share, I said, you're kidding me. And I looked at him and, you know, after about two throws, he was winging this thing. It had to be close to a hundred miles an hour. We put him in a game. I mean, we use him that spring. And I said, this is incredible what this keeps doing.

I mean, you're talking about doing everything just right, you know, as far as, you know, having that torque when you're throwing, he would just, as you said, he's just a freak. And I was still amazed. And I will say this, after we just won, and you know, I've been trying to get a hold of 10, last couple of years and

he sent me a really nice text. He's like my kid. That's how much I love this kid, but I'm still amazed at things in this game and he is one of the more incredible talents that I've had in all my years. He's right up there at the top. Yeah, he was so much fun to watch him pitch. If you're dealing with a personality, I don't know if Tim would be like this. I don't know what he was like during games But but mass and bum guard are certainly would come to mind If you're the manager and you go out there and you're you're gonna take the guy out and they give you the look like don't take me out of this game Have you ever been talked out of taking manager out? Or taking a picture?

I think a couple times or taking a picture. Yeah, I think a couple times. You know, I, you know, I don't, I didn't this year like I normally do where I go out there and check on just looking his eyes, whatever. But, and Madison was one of them. I mean, he did, he never wanted to come out again. So there were times when he would be honest, he goes, I know I can get this guy or next to guys and then I'm good. So I'd leave him in to even Chris Young or General Manager.

He was telling a story back in the postseason in 2006 when he was pitching in against the gardenals. He said, you know, you went out there. I thought it was coming out of the game and you left me in, but just looking at him, talking to him and telling him what I thought, he's the right guy out there, I left him out there. So yeah, you're gonna have those moments. That's the beauty of our game. You know, you taught my analytics,

you know, I think, you know, Crumplin' Handy, all that stuff, but you just gotta have a feel for it. I think for the players, all that stuff, but you just gotta have a feel for it. I think for the players who, you know, who the man is and hopefully that helps you make your decision. What I love about you is we can tell how much you love the game of baseball. Like you, you really love baseball. And we've talked to some football coaches that have almost broken down in tears describing how much they love football when they talk about just the game of football.

Can you just talk about the game of baseball and why you love it? Gosh, I go back to when I was a kid. I never forget my dad, but I'm the son of a sergeant major that, you know, we've moved every three years and he's one that got me playing baseball, but he got stationed at the Pentagon. So he took me to watch Washington Senators play. This is back in the late 60s. And first time I saw the field like a lot of kids, I went, oh my goodness, had Frank Howard,

who unfortunately just passed, who ended up being a coach for me and back when I was with the Metz for a little bit. And that's all I wanted to do. It's an all day, just play baseball. And then when my career ended, as a backup catcher, I knew that I wouldn't stay in the game.

Now, I didn't know it really what role, but once I started managing, I said, man, this is what I should be doing. And I never thought that time I'd manage and major leagues. I had the manager of a major league club from such a high pedestal. I would have been happy with managing my leagues my whole life. That's how much I loved it. You know it just is in me and my wife said the same thing when I came back this year she was I knew he's gonna go back

You know, you need to be watching the games and making comments and I knew I'm like she missed it and and sure enough You know after I try to help the French team and you know help them qualify for the WBC I knew you know if I ever had a chance that I would come back to manage. Yeah. Yeah. That's, I mean, that's a great, you can tell, like PFT said, it just comes across. How much you love the game? A couple last questions. What's the hardest thing about managing a baseball team that people that fans like us get wrong? Where it's like, you don't understand this part of the job that is more difficult than maybe, average fan understands. Because from where we're sitting, being a baseball manager is the best job in the world.

Cause you get to just, you know, hang out with the boys, make a couple calls here and there. It feels like a good time. But what is the hardest part that we miss? Well, that is the best time. I mean, that's what we all love to do is when a game starts. It's before the game.

There's no getting around, especially in the postseason, you know, I mean, that's what we all love to do is when a game starts. It's before the game. There's no getting around, especially in the postseason. You know, your obligations to, you know, talking to the media. You really don't get as much time with the team as you would like, because you got to do, you know, the network guys, you know, thoughts, they would come in and then, of course, the radio guys, and then you have your local media that had the local radio and then you got to go in the room and address the national media.

So you're running the government for over an hour dealing with all your media responsibilities. And so that's the tough as part I know, you want to spend time with the guys You want to get out of the field which it's early don't get me wrong. You get on the field But there's no there's it's not a lot of free time and so that's that's one of the toughest things and the other one I'll say is at the end of spring train Spring training to be my favorite time when it starts, you know, you get with the guys, you have the great time and get back on the field and just, you know, getting to know everybody, the new players at the end of spring training, those last cuts or there the worst.

Yeah, I was one of those guys. I know what's going through. You think about it's a big difference. I know at minimum salary is 750,000 whatever versus going down the trip way, you know, making 40 or 50. So it's, you know, it says tough call for these kids and I understand it. So that's the worst part of it. Yeah. I mean, that makes sense. It seems like the media part would be pretty challenging because you've got to do an hour worth of media for different people. And then you have

to figure out different ways to say the exact same thing. Right. Right. Right. Yeah. Yeah. No, it is.

You do get asked the same question so many times. But hey, it's your job. You understand it. You know, that's this part of why we do what we do, I guess. We know it's, it comes with the job, but somebody's going to do it. And anytime you can take it off the players, that's our job. And so that's what I try to do. Hopefully we're the first people to ask you if you get bored. Do you get to eat during games? You ever, you ever have like a hot dog during a game? It's like

I said, it's a grind. It's a grind. Yeah, do you get to eat? PFT was wondering if you get to eat during games. Do you just sneak one? I've never eaten during a game. I've seen a couple managers do it. I don't know. I don't, but now I I take what the food is unbelievable guys. You guys need to come by clubhouse. I'll show you. It's like a five star restaurant. How these guys eat now. Back in, you know, when I came up, you know, you got a bowl of chips and they got, you know, better jelly sandwich now. You get a four pie chefs in there. Shrimp, they, chicken, all this. It's unbelievable how well these guys eat. Yeah, I love that. But you traded all for the coffee with

the greenies in it. That's a little different than today. Yeah. I had one last question, rowback question, rhobac.com use promo code take 20% off your first purchase, Qzips, Polo's hoodies, joggers, shorts, everything at rowback.com. Baseball, the sound of baseball is the best. So tell me in your years of being in the game, managing playing, who had the best sound off the bat? Ooh, and it has a good one. Hey, look, a Dolas Garcia. That's That's pretty good. You know, see here. He's right up there too when you're hit, you know, come off the bat at 115 plus

That's good. That that's Sheffield. I coached third, sheffield was with San Diego. This is back 193, 194. And oh my goodness, the sound that come off his bat, it's just different. And you know, those guys, the elite players, you can tell when that ball's hit, who's it sometimes. Yeah, that's dangerous too, to be coaching third base when Gary Sheffield.

So it works. You know, I'm not the quickest guy either, you know, it's a, it's, and I'm a big guy. So I'm, I'm a pretty good target. Yeah. As a third base coach, where there are every situations where a guy's, you know, rounding second is coming at you and you just have no idea whether or not to send them. And you just decide, uh, screw it. I'm going to send them like it seems like that's a split second choice. Yeah.

Yeah. No, I tell you there's nothing more soon. You get a guy throwing him out 20 by 20 feet. I got to take a quick story of Larry Walker, um, you know, Larry from Canada. I mean, unbelievable instincts in the game. Base front end and just had a cannon for an arm. He's in right field and based at the right field and our base runners coming around,

and I'm not gonna challenge him. I mean, he is like a line drive one hopper. He knew it. So instead of coming up throwing home, he came up and threw right to third base. Meanwhile, I let the runner come around third base and the ball get there before he even had a chance to start to get back as probably my most embarrassing time on the field. Yeah, being third base coach, there's a lot of pressure. First base would be the best. Yeah, first base you just you take their batting love from them, pat them on the ass. Nice nice job. Good. I like the way you wait. Yeah, back, back, third base coach, I would, I would suck so bad,

because I'd be like, well, what if the throws bad? So I'd send everyone, but make them make a throw, just get all my guys thrown out. That's why you're the, you're the best. So skip, there's been awesome. We'll take you up on it. Maybe when you're in Chicago this summer, you come in the studio, bring some of the guys. We'd love to meet you in person and congrats again. Incredible. Four World Series.

The last five times you've been in the playoffs, you've won a World Series four out of five of them. The only time being the Cubs, no big deal. But yeah, congrats, you're a legend. I appreciate that appreciate that guys. Enjoy my time here with you. Thanks a lot. Yes, absolutely. Thanks, Skip. Bruce Boschie was brought to you by BetterHelp. Part of my take is sponsored by BetterHelp. This time of year can be a lot and it's natural to feel some sadness or some anxiety about it,

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