Pardon My Take - Coach Dan Hurley, Blink 182’s Mark Hoppus, Ovi Breaks The Goal Record, An Incredible Final Four And All Time Choke By Duke

Episode Date: April 7, 2025

Alexander Ovechkin breaks the all time goal record in the perfect way on Sunday and we talk about his incredible career (00:00:00-00:13:29). The Final Four finally delivered with a great Florida/Auburn and a historic choke from Duke that has reignited Big Cat’s hate (00:13:29-00:54:18). Who’s back including a possible Rodgers to Steelers theory and Masters Week (00:54:18-01:05:18). Dan Hurley joins the show to talk Final Four how the coaches prepare for the National Championship, his crash out against Florida, how he’s become more hated and more (01:05:18-01:42:28). Blink 182’s Mark Hoppus joins the show to talk about his new book, Blink 182, his childhood and tons more (01:42:28-02:22:40). We finish with a Monday Reading from our favorite fan fiction writer, Mike Florio (02:22:40-02:34:46).You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/pardon-my-take

Hey, pardon my take listeners, you can find every episode on Apple podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime members can listen ad free on Amazon Music. On today's pardon my take, we have a two for for the people. We have two great interviews. Coach Dan Hurley on the last six months in his life. Really good interview, honest interview. And then we have a great interview with Blink 182's Mark Hoppus. Really, really awesome conversation with him. Legend of the music industry. And we're going to talk about the Final Four. We're going to talk about OV breaking the record. Great weekend in sports. And then we're going to finish off with a Monday reading, which I don't think we've ever done a Monday reading for our guy, Mike Florio. But Mike Florio gave us a beautiful Monday reading that we're going to finish the show with.

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Pardon my Yeah. Welcome to Part of My Take presented by DraftKings. Bet the unexpected with DraftKings Sportsbook. Download the DraftKings Sportsbook app. code TAKE that's code TAKE for new customers to get $150 in bonus bets when you bet just five bucks only on DraftKings the crown is yours today is Monday April 7th and Alexander Ovechkin is the goal king he breaks the record congratulations to Ovi congratulations to PFT incredible incredible moment yeah i mean it's been great watching him that's been one guy that King. He breaks the record. Congratulations to Ovi. Congratulations to PFT. Incredible, incredible moment. Yeah. I mean, it's been great watching him. That's been one guy that pretty much since

I was in college, I've gotten the pleasure of watching Ovi score that same goal over and over and over and over again. Some call him a one trick pony. That's not the case, but he is very, very good at that one trick. Yes. So he, that goal that he scored scored it was awesome to see him score From his office against the Islanders as it that's the same place where Gretzky scored his last goal, too Oh, they did it in the exact same number of games. I noticed that memes was running the account today So he made sure to post about all class by the Islanders congratulating a vet skin

That was the first thing that he posted that was a right right content right no the first goal content he had a graphic and then the first like highlight of after that goal was the islanders congratulating ovi but I agree memes all class great job by the boys in the barn great win today the game on Friday though I watched him play against the Blackhawks big cat I don't know how you deal with this motherfucker Jerry Ryan's door up because it was on NHL Network. It was a nationally broadcast game. I couldn't watch it I had to download an app and then pay $20 to be able to watch a month worth of Blackhawks game I've been watching all the games legally this year good I have a workaround that I will not tell but I have a workaround that I've been watching the games legally because he's such

A piece of shit. Yeah, I want to give him money. He sucks. So I paid 20 bucks. I need to, I need to cancel that subscription immediately so I can get my money back. But, um, the game on Friday was awesome because Ovi had what ended up being the game winning goal. And then he could have stayed on the ice to get a hat trick with an empty netter. And he told Carberry, the coach, no, don't put me in the game. Yeah. I don't want to, I don't want to break this on an empty netter and he told Carberry the coach no don't put me in the game yeah i don't want to i don't want to break this on an empty netter so instead we got ryan lennard ryan lennard skinnerd's first nhl goal on an empty netter that could have been ovies so uh ovi was like fuck it i i know it's at home and i don't think anybody would have given him a hard time if he

got an empty netter when he'd take into account that he also got the game winner and it would have been a hat trick right that would kind of take away some of the, some of the sting from the haters that might be like fake record. But he said, no, I don't want to do it on empty netter. Instead. He did it from his office. Yeah. He did it perfectly. Perfect. Perfect shot. That shot has been happening for 20 years. Yeah. He's been scoring that goal for 20 years. Nobody's ever figured out how to stop it.

Nobody ever will figure out how to stop it. And then yeah, he had, he had his two sons there They came down on the ice his wife his mom was in attendance his mom terrified of Ovi's mom, by the way I think she could beat the fuck out of me probably yeah, but it was yeah It was perfect you didn't want like in these memorable moments first of all It's crazy this record like I think a lot of people thought this record would never fall credit to John Buchagross He actually has the receipts in 2010 He wrote a blog being like hey could Ovi break this record and this is when Ovi was like 24 years old

Yeah, and he he did an entire list like being like here's what I think he could score every year like throwing in injuries throwing in You know, maybe waning a couple years and he's like, yeah, I think you can do it. People called him crazy then because this was one of those records. It's like, it's never going to be broken. And, uh, so credit to Bucci for, for being the first call. But the fact that he did it, how he did it, uh, not doing the empty netter scoring that goal. The celebration was perfect. You didn't want the goal to be like, you know, either like a deflection or something, you know, where it just doesn't Obviously, it doesn't matter how he scores, but it was perfect that he scored that way. Yeah, great shot. Great assist by Tom Wilson The the crazy thing is well also you're right. The celebration was perfect. Just a slide on the belly

Yeah, just that's what that's what I fucking love about Ovi Throughout his entire career every time he scores a goal. He turns into a four-year-. Yeah. That's like I scored goal and he like jumps against the glass and he freaks out. You can go back and watch the goal that he scored when he was a rookie. Yeah. His rookie season they called the goal against the Coyotes where he's sliding on his back, rotates, does a toe drag pass defender and then scores from his side essentially. The coach of the Coyotes in that game was Wayne Gretzky and you could see the look on Wayne's face after he scored that goal where he looks up at the scoreboard he's like holy fuck this kid's really

really good yeah somebody else pointed out Brian Boucher was the goalie that day and he was the on ice reporter for the game where Ovi scored his goal and also Austin Matthews was in the crowd. It's like the Chris Berman, Tom Brady thing. Austin Matthews was watching. And the one of the craziest ones that was very cool, in 2004, this date, the Capitals win the draft lottery for the rights to draft Ovi. So on this date, 20, whatever it is, 21 years ago, they're like, we're about to draft OV and our franchise is about to be completely changed. And then on this date, 21 years later, he breaks Wayne Gretzky's record, which everyone thought wasn't going to happen. I also was thinking PFT, because it is it's crazy. It's like there's unbreakable. There's very few records that like still stand in all sports where you're like, holy shit, stop and be like, man, this is crazy. This happened. Um, I'm so, I'm so happy that he won a Stanley cup.

Yeah. I know. It's like that would have, this moment changed everything. This moment would have kind of sucked. Yeah. I mean, it would have been great. It would have been super impressive that he did it, but it would have kind of sucked because everybody would be like, never won the big one. It's also awesome that Ovi's done it all in one Jersey. That's something that doesn't happen often in sports as well. Like it's very cool to think like even from a big and we're going to about to get into NHL playoffs. So we're going to have biz and Yans and wait

on a bunch. But like, like to have Sidney Crosby and Ovi be one Jersey guys and also completely live up to the hype. Yeah. It's pretty cool. Yeah. Live up and surpass the hype for both of them. Yeah. It's, it's funny cause over the years I used to fucking hate the Pittsburgh penguins. I hated them so much, but now as both Ovi and Crosby get older, it's kind of like you respect the other team. Yeah. It's like Dave Crosby was really, really good. Ovi was really, really good. And if you go back and look at, cause I was fully prepared to battle haters. I thought that there would be many haters. I don't think that would, that would try to tear it down. Surprisingly not. Surprisingly. Everybody was like, this is great. But can

I just say the things that I would have said if there had been haters? Sure. I was anticipating the empty, empty netter goals, those guys. Um, but again, as I've said before, if you score an empty netter, it means that you were winning the game. Correct. And a lot of those winning games were because Ovi had scored earlier in the game. Correct. And then he had two strikes shortened years, essentially lost like a season and a half to lockouts.

I don't know if they were strikes or I think there were lockouts. And then there was one where the hockey didn't start to like January and played like whatever. Yeah. And then there was COVID games. And then there was a COVID season. So he's lost about two seasons worth of games throughout his career. And he still did it. And he's still going still going. And also credit to Wayne Gretzky, because if you took away all of his goals, he would still be the all time leading points getter in NFL history, NHL history, which is crazy. Yeah. So he was

obviously much more of an assist guy than than Ovi was But over yeah the best goal scorer of all time and he's not done and he did it in a season Where the caps are not only competitive. They're competitive for the president's cup Yeah, and he broke his leg and he broke his leg and he's still playing great Like this is one of his better seasons that he's having right now. Yeah, so yeah, I'm I was very pumped I'm not gonna lie I I got a little misty eyed because one of his better seasons that he's having right now. Yeah. So yeah, I was very pumped. I'm not going to lie. I got a little misty eyed because something like this

happens. And you think of all the times you've got to watch your favorite player scoring these goals over the course of your adult life. And it was really, really cool to see. I don't know. I don't want to say it's unbreakable, because that's what they said when Gretzky got it.

But maybe Ryan Leonard will get it one day. It's going to be very hard hard because he's still going. And I don't know if he's gonna stop. And you know what, I love it too that Ovi, he's doing it with his way in terms of not the best body. Yeah. You know, kind of just a guys dude. Yeah.

I saw this clip of- Pants to make her dance. Pants to make her dance. Yeah, I saw the clip because there's been so much Ovi content. It's all been so funny the His first ever golf round. He had a one one. Yeah, he's just like yeah, I hit it in. Yeah One and missed on the first like what do you mean? I hit it in when he got the the key to the city

I think when he was a rookie he was like no speed of limit in Washington DC He's been so fucking funny. Yeah, so funny So yeah, congrats PFT congrats Ovi really really cool moment at some point I would love to have Ovi on part of my tape But I feel like that that would need to be in person might be a bit of a language barrier there Yeah, probably probably would be a little language barrier. Yeah, I didn't see many haters at all I saw one straight tweet that was like the biggest loser tweet ever but that was Someone was like he likes loser tweet ever, but that was someone was like he likes

Putin. Oh yeah. I mean, imagine imagine imagine someone breaking the record and liking Hitler and it's like what? Yeah, for a while there was like also, you know, have you looked up what Bobby hole has said? Yeah, I created the DC sports superstar triangle a few years ago. I think it was right during the invasion of Ukraine. But Jayden kind of got rid of the sports triangle. But for a while, the sports triangle was you can only pick two of these three of these three things. One generational talent to does not have a debilitating injury. Three does not support a murderous dictator. So you can pick two

of those. Yeah, you can't pick three. Can't be choosy to my knowledge. And I hope nobody asked Jayden Daniels what he thinks about Putin. Yeah, please. Yeah, let's keep that off. Yeah, we don't need to know Yeah, it was it was super cool to watch very very cool Also, I did see Insults that that someone posted about the Sabres that this just crossed I got tagged in it because insults That's like a tag the insults that the last time the Sabres made the playoffs playoffs Alex Ovechkin was 594 goals away from breaking the record that's crazy that's insane I think they have the record for I know they have it in the NHL they might be close for all sports yeah that's that's nuts not being in the lab

meme says yes do they they go back and forth with the Jets. Oh, okay So right now it's the Jets as soon as the season's over it's back to the Sabres switching back and forth Uh, so memes that happened against the Islanders you you feel like they did a very classy job They did a very classy job. The ceremony took way too long. You got to do it at one of the 20 minute intermissions Yeah, that's true. Yeah, they had that red carpet out there instantly. Yeah, they're ready to go. Um, okay. 50 has a shirt with the date on it already. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. By the shirt. Go buy. We got all sorts of OV goat merch up in the store. Right now. My favorite is the one that shows him scoring the same goal for 20 years. Yeah.

The goat king. Um, do we have, uh, any have any other sports to talk about this weekend? There was some sports happening this weekend. Yeah, I was a great game on Saturday. Valero, Texas Open. No, it's talking about the crown. Congrats to Nebraska. Yeah, the big 10. What's up?

Two or three of the Dodgers. So I mean, Ovi deserved this top of the show. But if you guys been like, Hey, you guys want to just talk about Duke's downfall for four hours, but like sign me up. I'll take off my pants right now. Cause that was, it was great. Holy fuck, was that an incredible final four delivered. So let's talk Florida Auburn first.

Cause I want to just edge myself a little bit more. And then I want to talk about Houston. And then I want to talk about Duke. Okay. Cause I had, it was a haters. It was the best hater watch I've had in a very long time. I barely slept last night. I was just reading message boards, all the shit. All right. So Florida Auburn great game. Uh, Walter Clayton, Walter

Clayton is so fucking good. He had a 34 points. He's the first player to score 30 plus in a back to back elite eight final four games since Larry Bird. I think Larry Bird might be the only one who's ever done it besides him. Pretty, pretty good company there. Uh, 34 points and it was, you know, what's crazy about what Walter Clayton did? I actually thought Auburn played decent defense on him. He was just so good that like that baseline three that he made that was, you can't do anything about. He had a couple of drives where it felt like there were four Auburn players and he found a way through and finished at the hoop. Like he was out of control. I also saw the best way to sum up how good Walter Clayton is is a tweet from March 16th where a guy named T Black said, Walter Clayton Jr. is so raw, you forget his first name is

Walter. And Walter Clayton replied with a bunch of laughing emojis. But that's the fact is Walter Clayton, the best Walter Aitin ever in the history of sports, Walter Aitin. I would say, yeah, there's probably a couple other Walter Aitin. I can think of one. Yeah. But yeah, it's true. It is true. Walter Payton is like that name fit because that's what you named people back then. Walter's not a name you hear anymore. Walt. Walt. Walt. It's uh yeah I think he's probably right. I don't when I when I think about Walter Clayton I don't think about Walter. I just think about the W. I think about yeah I just think about

that guy's raw. Yeah so I love watching watching him play Elijah Martin. I think he might be, he might be the best dunker in college basketball right now. Yeah. That's how I changed the energy of the game. That's how I evaluate NBA talent based on how you dunk in college. Yeah. And Elijah Martin. Yeah. Take him one. Yeah. He was, it was Florida also like the first half, their front court looked like they didn't know how to hold the basketball, play basketball. Like Condon didn't have, I mean, he condom was still impactful. He didn't have the best offensive game, but a second half, it felt like a combination of Walter Clayton, just absolutely taking over and Elijah Martin also, and a Jani broom who I, I feel like the beginning of the game, you saw a uh, Jani Broom, the real Jani Broom,

then his adrenaline wore off and it just wasn't the same. Like the injuries kind of caught finally caught up to him and it was clear he wasn't fully healthy. And then the, the other guys on, uh, Auburn outside of Baker Mazar, like they needed to be great. And there wasn't that much like Todd Pettiford who I love was not great. And so that's where the difference in the game came. Baker Mazzara gave him a little bit of offense. He made some big shots. Yeah. He scored like 10 points in the first I don't think Alex Condon played well. Well, and he was out there offensively. He was still he

still is like, how big he's bigger than what's his name? Ha? Yeah, he has better. I don't know how you pronounce his name. But he's better offensively clearly then, uh, than Condon has been. Yeah. But then condon. Yeah. He's, he's a bigger body on defense. Yeah. It was, I mean, he did not, he had a game to forget in terms of offensive numbers, but I still think he's important in some of the things he does, especially, I mean, he had, he had a, you know, some big rebounds a block. But yeah, it was Florida felt like they could have played a lot better. Their front court was not good.

They didn't have their best game and they still beat Auburn because Walter Clayton pretty good because Walter Clayton is like that. Yeah, he was incredible. Incredible. I think I think big cat. Houston's going to be a little bit different than Florida in terms of defending Clayton. Yeah. Well, but again, I Aub, like they did a lot. Like Walter Clayton, it wasn't like he was getting open look after open look. He's just been so much in the zone and they were saying that after, like he's just been in the zone. So yeah, I mean, they're going to defend him differently, but he was making shots that you can't really, it happened in the elite eight when he had that shot that he, where he was making shots that you can't really, it happened in the Elite Eight when he had that shot

that he, you know, where he was standing in the lane and basically just dribbled backwards and then popped it right before anyone could even realize what he was doing. That baseline three, like he's just doing shit that he's playing on a different level. Yeah, he's great. He's an awesome player.

This game had way too many reviews. Oh yeah. Way too many out of bounds reviews. Oh yeah. And it got to the point where like players were doing the look at it again. Yeah. For things that I didn't care if they got right or not. It just had dumb basketball down the stretch. Auburn, Auburn, I think their biggest fatal flaw besides Jani Broome being injured was just, they, they had a lot of dumb basketball moments. Yeah. And, and those came out at the end of the

game where it was just like, what is going on right now? But it was great watching these, even when one team would pull away because Florida had what? They were down by eight points at halftime. Yeah. Even when the game wasn't that close in the moment, you could still watch these guys play and be like, these are two great teams that are playing each other. Yes. It felt good to feel that way about college basketball. Yes. And have a final four actually deliver on a game that we we needed.

We need some good games. So the second game was a fantastic game. The second game was incredible. Houston would say all time, all time choke job, all time game, all time choke job. So I don't I have a lot of Duke hate that's gonna flow through me. But I don't want to forget how good Houston was, and how impressive they are as a team. And Kelvin Sampson, he had the quote afterwards, no one ever loses anything as long as you don't quit.

When you quit, I don't care, you've lost. And like that, watching that game, and coach Danny Hurley tells us this about like most, a lesser team would be dead. It did feel like Houston was dead and they just didn't give up. And their guys made big play after big play down the stretch when the game started to tilt and their defense ratcheted up.

And I think like more than anything with Houston, it's their culture as a team and a program like was, was illustrated at the end of the game when you had things like J. Juan Roberts, who's a 67% free throw shooter hit two big free throws to go on also I found out afterwards that Kelvin Sampson has everyone on the team They take 150 free throws a day even on days off and they tape it and they review the film I love that love that they had the Tugler moment where probably one of the dumbest plays ever

with Joseph Tuggler, uh, trying to strip the inbound before the ball comes in. That's, that's Houston culture ends up in a technical foul. Conknipple hits the free throw, but what happens? He's, he, he stays locked in and he hits, he has the put back dunk that makes it 67 66 Yeah, like shit like that where or I don't know if you saw but like the Malik Wilson like the the the sequence with 32 seconds left. You can look at the gate You can look at the box score 32 seconds left It's like who's on gets subbed out from Malik Wilson, Malik Wilson subbed in, Malik Wilson steal. That's the next play.

Like Kelvin Sampson knowing, Hey, we have an offensive defensive possession here. Put in our best guy. That changes the whole game. LJ cryer who was two for, or sorry, three for 13 in the elite eight and sweet 16. He was six for nine from three. Like just he's shooting like the, it's just all these guys that are just so good and they didn't give up. And the way they fought was so impressive because it did feel like Duke was going to steamroll and it felt like there was no chance the game was over and

they just didn't stop fighting and Duke had what one field goal in the last 10 minutes. Yeah. So, uh, if you look at the, the stats for Duke's offense, I think they had one field goal. Yeah. So, uh, if you look at the, the stats for Duke's offense, I think they had one field goal. Yeah. One, one basket from the field in the last 10.5 minutes of the game. Um, can we pull up this, this video from Mike underscore J Gackey, J A G A C I A C K I. They also had, uh, because this is, this is Houston in practice is it though is it the diving around? This is what Houston does every single practice They have two guys line up and then the coach throws the ball I don't know if that's Kelvin Samps or not somebody throws the ball out

Then they just wrestle on the court to see who gets loose ball. Mm-hmm This is that's how Houston plays all the time This is an awesome way to end practice at an elite college. Like they're running into the walls and shit wrestling each other. Yeah. And that's how they play. And at the end of the game, uh, when they get that steal off the inbounds pass, was that, that was a Sion James.

I was inbounding that race. I thought he might've had a concussion earlier in the game when he landed on his head. So he inbounds the ball. It gets deflected twice goes bounces out to take three and then the put back dunk on it Yeah, that was the tugler dunk, which was an incredible. Leak Wilson was one who stole it. Yeah, also this this this drill Duke's last rebound not offensive or defensive last rebound in the game was with three minutes and 24 seconds left Yeah, pretty that was that was it like just, and they put the pressure on them. They, you know, started, it was just, it was, the whole thing was so impressive by Kelvin Sampson, because if you watch the first 30 minutes of that game, you

thought Houston was going to be outclassed and they just did not give up whatsoever and kept fighting and kept fighting. And I was completely in like their game plan. Like, uh, Malawak didn't have any rebounds It was very clear what they were doing making pulling him away from the hoop and giving themselves a chance to get those offensive rebounds Kelvin Sampson is an insanely good coach and They also had Jim Nance wearing his lucky sweater that he's never lost him and he was crying He was crying made Jim Nance cry tears of joy at the end of it in March Madness, which was incredible Here's some fun stats about Duke and actually before we get to the the fun stats about Duke

Cooper Cup is awesome. Sorry. Cooper flag is awesome. He's in He's in the listen. Wait, are we doing the Duke stuff? Are we getting the Duke hater on? Let me get to it Let me get to it. He's not clutch Cooper Cooper flag is Incredible. He had not quite he had a great game offensively. I don't I'm throwing all this. He's not clutch. Cooper. Cooper flag is incredible. He had not clutch. He had a great game offensively. I don't, I'm throwing all this. He had a great, I'm going to get to it. He had a great game passing the ball. He had a great game. Uh, just making the right decision. Great game. Defensively. He was doing it all. But as our good friend and recurring guest, skip Bayless would like to know, does he have the clutch gene? And I sat down, I watched 15 minutes of skip Bayless breaking down Cooper flag.

And when I say, uh, 10 minutes of those 15 minutes were actually skip Bayless talking about LeBron and the ways that he's disappointed in him. It was a perfect video from skip Bayless. He reminds him so much of LeBron James, except he might be, uh, a better free throw shooter than LeBron James. But at the end of the game, you got to get up if you want to get it in. He didn't get it up. No hit off the front iron. He had his chance. He Duke has been in four close games all year and I think three out of four, he's either fallen down or missed the shot. Kentucky

not good, not, not a clutch player. I'm not saying anything nice about Duke. Duke gets all the hate. That was the biggest choke in final four history. They're the only team to, to have a higher field goal percentage, more free throw attempts, more assists, fewer turnovers, more steals and lose in the history of the NCAA tournament. Other teams were 335 and Oh damn when doing that in March madness, best ever analytically does coach K win this game I have some coach K questions for later he might I don't know he they shouldn't have shown him on the TV as much also coach K trying to use the media on Friday to write a story being like coach K is the real reason John Shire is shined is because coach K is

taking a step back I see you coach K. He was trying to make it. It was not a nice story. That's that's literally like John Shire owes everything to coach K being like, I'm not coaching this team anymore. That's what a lot of people do when they retire. I would say every person does that when they retire. He wanted credit for not showing up to practice for a team. He doesn't coach a lot of coaches. Facts are fact. He literally wanted credit for not showing up to a practice for a team. He't coach. A lot of coaches facts are fact. He literally wanted credit for not showing up to a practice for a team. He didn't write the story. Oh, he didn't write the story. He didn't write the story. All right. So Duke biggest choke in

final four history. Best team ever. Actually no, it's a con. It's, it's either this Duke team or the 99 Duke team. Yeah. Those are the top two in Kinty. You can just decide. I won't debate it. It's one of the Duke teams. Duke has had a 10 year drought of no championship game appearances. Here's some of the players that have played for Duke in that drought. Brandon Ingram, Luke Canard, Jason Tatum, Marvin Bagley, Gary Trent Jr., Wendell Carter, Zion Williamson, R.J. Barrett, Cam Reddish, Vernon Carey, Paolo, Mark Williams, Jared McCain, Cooper flag, con Canupel and Moloch. That's some pretty good players. No championship appearances. They choke. One don't. They're choke artists. When was the last Duke championship appearance? That's not relevant to this conversation,

PFT. I was nice enough to do Ovi to start the show. Don't do that. The what? When was that? Yeah, that's me. I was purely thinking about me. We started the show with Ovi when we had two final, you know what I, you know, credible, you know what I was, let me get my duke aid on. You know what I was thinking about? I was thinking about how many more national title appearances that UNC had in that same time span. One. No, no, they've been to one one. Yeah, one one. I think they've been to three. I'm just what I'm doing. I'm sorry that you got caught by a stray big cat. But it was a stray. It was a it was

a stray shot straight. It was a stray. But it just I'm trying to defend my Roy Williams better coach in North Carolina while he was in North Carolina than coach K was take, which is aging like wine because I'm counting this as a final four loss for Coach K because he was so North Carolina, then coach K was take, which is aging like wine because I'm counting this as a final four loss for coach K because he was so close to the court. That's true. And they kept on showing him nonstop. Yep. Uh, so best team of all time was what I kept on hearing. Maybe I said it as well. Turns out you need a point guard, an actual point guard. Yeah. Cooper flag was handling. He was bringing the ball up the court as soon soon as Houston started putting the pressure on inbounding the ball, a point guard who

can bring the ball up the court, a point guard who can, when shit starts to fall apart, be like, Hey guys, I will run this offense. I will get us a field goal in the last 10 minutes. Yeah, that was probably a miss. And practice true point guard proctor seems pretty comfortable with just standing there on the court. He, he looks like he should be bringing the ball up the court every single time, but he, what he likes to do is get down court and then stand at the edge,

stretch the defense a little bit and then not get the ball and not shoot. Also shout out Proctor. He's actually the only good thing I'll say about Duke. Thank God that you thought you were good enough free throw shooter to not pass it to Cooper fucking flag at the end of the game that was insane Proctor being like I got this as the worst free throw shooter on the court for Duke was absolutely insane Cost them the game and I love Duke fans complaining about the over-the-back. Oh my god Could you imagine being a Duke fan who gets every call every year never plays in a way game a true away game ever and being like man the rest really got us. Justice Winslow touched it. OK. Not during

the regular season away games. They don't play true. They don't play true out of conference away games. They don't. Coach K never would schedule. They play. Where do they play. Oh they play in fucking Atlanta. Oh they play Madison Square Garden. Oh they play? Oh, they play in fucking Atlanta. Oh, they play Madison square garden. Oh, they play maybe maybe you know what? I haven't done my research on John Shire yet because I'm just getting my heat back which last night reinvigorated all my hate Maybe John Shire has coach K never did he wouldn't play away games You know this Hank. They said I didn't know you said out of car. Well, I Obviously they have to play in conference. I bet you they try I bet you they probably talk to the ACC and they're like, make everyone come to us. Do you think the fact that coach K has stepped away from the team has led to

their lack of conditioning, which Houston excels in. And that's what made them get the tired legs at the end of the game. Cause John Char wants to be like, I'm not like all the other coaches. I'm a cool coach. I'm not going to make you run. Good question. So I, that was a choke of all chokes. I was stunned. Stunned. You know what? Like, okay, I agree with skip Bayless and big cat in that Cooper flag probably doesn't have the clutch gene. If I'm drafting number one in the NBA draft and I'm, I don't know the Utah jazz, I would pass on them. Yeah. And let whoever's picking after take them like cuz you're not gonna win with them That's true. If you're the jazz don't don't draft them. You don't win league games. Don't don't pick them, please

it felt so good to just get my true hate back because I was struggling with this because you know, I watched Duke this year and I don't hate John Shire like I hated coach K and I don't hate John Shire like I hated coach K and Cooper flag seems like a nice guy and con nipple whatever he's got a red face and he's good at basketball all those things he was there in 2015 yeah he was I saw that yeah he had his badger he probably had a Sam Decker jersey on or Frank Kaminsky but last night just watching Duke choke there really is no better sports watch. What if this was Khan Nipples ultimate payback. This was like the Count of Monte Cristo, where he waited all these years, decided no, I don't

want to stay and stay. I want to get I want to get recruited by Duke so that I can miss a few field goals in the Final Four. And he was pretty good though, really get revenge. But you have to be Yeah, yeah, you have to be good enough to get close. He played he played a pretty good game, but I'm not giving any compliments It was just it was euphoric. I loved it and I have max you it. Did you like that game? Do you count yourself as a duketer? Dad, I don't whatever. Oh, okay. I don't

Not biggie. Okay. All right that's good the uh The last question I had about this and I literally I stayed up till 2 a.m. Just watching videos I rewatched the end of the game a bunch of times. I went on message boards Duke fans Just crying crying crying love it off the over the back. Oh my god. I need more people crying about that This is so fucking good. This is where it back. It was a tiki-taka. Okay. Yeah, don't care This is where I get them all use where backfires and Duke fans because they'll they'll incessantly show this replay Not realizing that it makes everybody happy to watch. Yes. I it's the total reverse It's the complete reverse because what is that a call every single time?

Probably not is the fact that it happened to Duke does that make the majority of people who watch it very happy? Yes. Yes You're absolutely right. Yeah, that's actually a highlight reel for everybody else Not one that you can be like we got fucked because it's like this is great Yeah, and to me again and listen I I was accused of reverse jinxing this year with Duke I actually will be honest with everyone. I was that was not my intention This is I was thinking about it because I was literally laying up in bed, just relishing in the moment. I was like, why is this feel so good?

I had actually come to the conclusion that this Duke team was one of the best teams of all time and they were going to win the title. Like I had, I had become at ease with the fact that it was going to happen so that it wouldn't hurt as much. So it was almost like a reverse sucker punch. Like I never saw this coming and it made it that much better. This is like when we're talking to Titus, we get to say Duke let me down. Yeah. I'm

disappointed by Duke because I, I did think that they were the best team in the country. I did. I, and they were fun. They were the funnest Duke team to watch that I've, I've seen in probably 30 years. Um, and they let me down. They let America down. But again, they also gave America quite a blessing because America had the White Lotus memes ready to go. And that would have gone to the sad graveyard of unused memes and memes. I'm sure you have quite a folder of memes. It's like the saddest story ever written. Yeah. Meme never sent. It was just so sweet. The whole thing was so beautiful. I loved every second of it. A stunning, stunning loss. So here comes my last question. And I think you guys will agree with me. But I want your take. Deep down. If we had true serum. Coach case coach case happy. He's happy. I don't think so. Oh he doesn't want the next guy to win a title in his third year. I don't think he's ever happy to former play assistant. He is happy because he's a narcissistic piece of shit.

He's happy. I don't think he's I don't think coach K is ever happy even when he's winning But he's probably a little hot off. He's probably a little happy after that. He probably was like see John It's a lot harder than you think to win these things. Look at that. Look at that foul. Look at the foul on Cooper flag Oh, man, so good. He shouldn't have done that. He shouldn't have gone over the back. That was a blatant foul Looks like I call that a hundred times out of a hundred looks like he ripped ripped that guy's right arm. Yeah. It actually should have been a flagrant too. Notice how they're only showing this angle of it. They're not showing the other one where he's grabbing him in the back and gets thumb up his asshole. You guys don't think that Coach K is, there's a small part of them that's like, now I get

to sit John Shire down and be like, John, the first three years were good, but our standard here is national champions. Coach K is probably, I don't know if he's happy, but I don't think, he's a cell phone guy, I think he's probably a landline guy still to this day. Probably just has the one in the kitchen with a really long cord. He's probably pulled up a chair next to the phone and just sat there, not gotten up off the chair at all,

waiting for the call from Coach Shire to ask him for guidance. How do you bounce back from something like this coach? What could we have done differently? He's been just posted up in his kitchen like junior soprano is waiting for that call. Speaker 2 So here's why I think he's happy to, because if you're a legend like coach K and I've said it, he's the best college coach of all time. And hate him I hate his guts but that's just a fact that I believe when you leave Duke you don't you there's like there's there's different paths that can go down the you know Duke is an institution go down they can completely bottom out and I think that would be bad because coach K would then be like

blamed for hey it was all about you you didn't have a succession plan all this stuff you could have someone who goes and wins at the level that coach K wins right away and then it's like hey it's Duke it's not coach K isn't this the perfect spot for coach K where John Shire the that he had the succession plan he's the the school has not dropped off in terms of a level of basketball. But what coach K has done to win titles gets magnified even more of that's really hard to do because John Shire couldn't do it with one of the best analytically best teams of all time. I think coach K is happy.

I mean, when you can't score in the last 10 and a half minutes of the game. Yeah, I think he's happy. I think he's happy, Hank. A little part of them is like, I get to go fucking teach some lessons. I'm going to show up to practice. I'm going to be like, man, I remember how hard it was, but I did it five times. You guys haven't done it any times. Do you think coach K you think he's calling up like one of his tech guys that used to work for him at Duke and being like, we need to build a PowerPoint this off season, just in case Shire wants it. Like I'm, I'm willing to come in and show it to the team. I just need you to come over for two days and we'll build

the PowerPoint together and send it. We'll have the deck ready to go if they need it. Yeah, definitely. When did coach Kate, how many years into his coaching did he win his first title? 91. It was like 11, right? 1980 was his first year. Right. And so 11. Yeah. So if Shire did that in three years, that's too fast. No, cause it's based off of the foundation that coach Kate built, but it's still too fast. He wants Shire to win one eventually. If this, if we're talking 10 years from now, I wouldn't, I wouldn't have the same take. It's also different. It's different errors like this. It's, it's Shia was playing one and done. He's going to have different

rosters every year. Coach K was doing one and done. So he literally last, the last title he won was one and done guys. But we're, we're talking about his first 11 years. You know, it's so, yeah, yeah. You know, it's so funny is they're probably going to win when the next different standards in the next couple of years, I'm just going to say Duke's probably going to win a national championship and it's going to be with the Boo couple years. I'm just gonna say Duke's probably gonna win a national championship. And it's going to be with the Boozer twins. And then coach K will be able to say, like, they're only here because of me. Goddamn, was it sweet. I loved it. It just it I felt alive

again. I don't know. Something, something happened to me where I was like, man, I was there was so many times in the last two minutes of the game, three minutes the game where I was just asking myself out loud I was actually talking to Blake. Is this really happening? Is this happening? Yeah, this is happening. Yeah, are we gonna do this? Yeah, please. This is a Don't give me blue balls. This is happening, right? Yeah, I'm not dreaming this. Hey, here's here's a question Should Duke go to a real conference? Because clearly playing the ACC this year

hurt them when it came to playing in close games. What were they against the top 25 teams on Kimpom? I think, I think there were about 500. Uh, yeah, because they didn't play. I mean, I know they beat Auburn. Guess where they played Auburn Hank, where Cameron indoor Auburn. Yeah. Yeah. There's one bad one there for you. They won at Arizona this year. I mean, that's come on Arizona. That's that's like half Duke fans there. I said, by the way, I admitted, I admitted that John Shire might have changed that coach K did not five, not play true road games out of conference five and four against Ken Palm top 25. Hmm. Duke should probably

leave the ACC. Did the ACC leave Duke a long time ago? Hmm. Hmm. Duke should probably leave the ACC. Did the ACC leave Duke a long time ago? Duke should be independent. Duke should be independent. They should be like Notre Dame in football. They are the Notre Dame of basketball. Oh my God. Oh, I just love this so, so, so, so, so much. And it is great too. Whenever some of whatever duke has a loss like this and then there's some new fans are like They like kind of realize they're like, oh You're you're you're never gonna get over 2015. That's where the hit i'm like, yeah, dude Yeah, i've admit that a million times over that a small part of me died I'll never get back and every time duke loses in a tragic way and this was a tragic loss

A tiny little like one like 0.01% of my life comes back. Yeah, I think Duke for the most part, it's like people that went to Duke and people whose families went to Duke Hank. But I think most casuals love it when this happens. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. I'd say I'd say almost all. Yeah. And this is sweet revenge, sweet justice. Yeah. It's not like Notre Dame where there's a lot like there's a lot of Notre Dame fans Just because the Irish Catholic. Yeah, you I feel like you have to have like There's not a lot of Duke fans. Yeah, there are I think there's a lot less Duke fans in Notre Dame fans And I just there's those people that are just fans of excellence

Yeah, where they're like, yeah, they win a lot. And I appreciate all the work that goes into it. But yeah, that's what you get for for bouncing JMU out of the round of 32 last year, bitch. Cooper flag and john shire having to show up at eight in the morning for the Naismith Awards. Oh, that was beautiful. Cooper flag in that little golf cart. Oh, Cooper flag hiding in a room because the media availability they were running out the clock on it. Ah Oh

I still want that. Oh that dunk that he had where he just swung around horizontal I feel like this hates kind of come out of nowhere. What do you mean? I feel like this year you've said that you like kind of that you kind of like cuz I couldn't I couldn't fully I was one guarding myself cuz I thought they were that good and two I've always said that I'm not going to just hate John Shire like I hated coach K I have to let it build and it was a good that was a good moment for you great moment and it also it was literally so shocking I I think you guys agree like that loss was so shocking yeah and I thought they were gonna win it all so having that just gifted to me, it was like, Oh my God, I feel again. So it's

also, it's like watching Duke lose is fun for most people. The fact that it happened against this Houston team, which is so fun to watch, especially if you're a fan of football, because they play like a football team, watching them do this to Duke was extra nice because they, they just out toughed them. Yeah. It re it really was though max to answer. It's just, I was people's accused of the reverse jinx is wrong. I was convinced they were the best team that we've seen in a long time. Like I really was and forgot to have a point guard. Oh, is that important in basketball? Like a true point card. Max, when you won your titles, did you have point cards? Oh yeah. Oh yeah.

Name one. You want me to, I can name. Yeah, I can name multiple. You had awesome point cards. All the Archdiaconos. Jalen Brunson, Ryan Archdiaconos. Scotty Reynolds. He was a good point guard. He didn't win, but he was great.

Connor Gillespie. Colin Gillespie. Colin Gillespie. Alan Ray. And Connor Gillespie. Is there Connor? I don't think so. Connor Gillespie. Did he? There was two Archie.

Yeah, there was two Archie. Yeah. Um, all right. Should we talk about the championship game that will not be including Duke? Yeah. Houston, Florida. So let me do this. Let me do this read real quick. As we have PFT,

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they're one so close to each other and two, I don't, and I could look really stupid saying this, but like, I don't think either team is, is good enough to blow out the other team. That's how close they are. You know what I mean? I think it's not like last year where you're like, okay, Purdue could hang, but UConn's really fucking good. I think both these teams are just really fucking good. They've got a lot of great players.

They're awesome, awesome teams. There's no question that Florida can score against Houston. Will they score enough? I don't think that they will. I have a future on Florida that I put in. I'm going to be probably going against that. But the, uh, the parlay that I'm putting in with my winnings, I'm going a lot of rebounds from Houston. I'm betting on a fuckload of rebounds.

Joanne Roberts, seven rebounds, Manuel sharp, three rebounds, Tugler five rebounds, just rebounds. And thenounds and then I've got LJ cryer three three-pointers Worked in there plus 500. Oh, yeah. He's on night a lot of a lot of rebounds. It's a big gym people forget that Yeah, big gym. I I also have a future on Florida. So I'll be rooting for Florida I'll probably just put the bonus bet on Florida just more Florida. I'm not a hedge guy Did you see also there? This is a battle of the nerds. So Ken Palm, which is the most popular analytic site for college basketball. Ken Palm had Duke is the number one team going to that game. They had Houston number two, Florida number three. Another

site that I frequent Bart Torvik had Houston is number one going into that game. Okay. Bart Torvik has won this round. Yeah. He had Houston as the better team than Duke and Ken Palm has had Duke is historically great. So does he have Houston is the better team than Florida? Yes. Florida is his fourth best team. I also get team of destiny vibes from Houston. Oh yeah. Yeah. I get that huge like that blob. Big time. Against Purdue. Big time. They also have that kid, Jace. Have you seen Jace? He's kind of like unofficial member of the team. Yeah, he's like a little kid that that goes around with them. They bring them to like all their huddles, all their locker rooms and shit. Big fan of Jace.

I don't know I get I get Kelvin Sampson the way that he's his career is gone. Yeah, this feels like Team of Destiny. Yeah, no, I agree. I have a lot invested in Florida and I'm basically Like Walter Clayton saved me one more time. That's how I'm going into this game. Yeah, I think Walter Clayton just do it again I think they're gonna do a better job than most of limiting Walter Clayton. Yeah, but still he He's still like even that Texas Tech game. I think he didn't have a point for the first 10 minutes I should never have seen that video of them wrestling around for the ball at practice because that's gonna be that's gonna change everything in terms Of how I analyze Houston. Yeah, like I can't go against these guys now. I just can't do it

All right shout out the Yukon women's team. Yeah, pagey buckets. She came back for her fifth year She had an up- up and down career with all the injuries but Yukon they beat three I still don't really understand how they were the two seed yeah I don't know I just know they're bad for women's basketball yeah they they beat three one seeds on the way to a championship their 12th championship also Sarah strong their center I think she's a freshman She's gonna be like the best college basketball player of all time, because I'm pretty sure, well one, it pays to stay at college now in the women's game.

And I think, doesn't the women's game, you have to stay for three years? I don't know what the rules are, but I do know that a lot of them make more money in NIL than they would in the WNBA. Sarah Strong, she's a freshman. She's a problem. She is a problem. She is a problem.

That's a great name too. Yeah, yeah, she was incredible. 24 points, 15 rebounds. They smoked the Lady Cocks. Oh, twice this year, they beat them by 20 plus. Yeah. It will never make sense that they were the three. Bad job by the committee.

Who's the buddy, the Bubba Cunningham of women's? Liam Blutman said that the big East had a down year. So that's why, but it's still when you win, when you beat three one seeds is the two seed and then also win the championship game by 20. I feel like you shouldn't have been a two seat. Yeah. So where's she going to play? Is it the wings? Who has the, the number one pick? Oh, so let's hit the simulator Do we have the simulator? I think she might be a better in WNBA player than Caitlin Clark. What about that? Whoa?

Whoa, what about that? I'm a juju guy Yeah have been for a while now She's not gonna sell tickets as many tickets or get as many ratings. No the ratings were It was crazy. They were bad. It wasn't bad. The difference it was like 14 million last year and 4 million this year But you just gotta hope for like a magic bird type thing like a big rivalry Dallas Dallas Congrats Dallas Nico Harrison gets his hands on Pagie buckets trades her away shout out to Gino Oriyama. Wait, are you simming it?

I think they already did the lottery didn't they cuz they they're gonna draft them and then they'll have to play real soon I think I just I just wanted to send it wait. What is the what do the sky have as a pick? Oh? We gave our pick to Dallas. No you get wait Let's reset let's reset Damn it. No you gave your pick to Washington. Why are we, why are we simming the draft? Wait, but then why does it say that we have the third pick? It says that you're giving it to Washington.

Then they have the fourth pick? Yeah. That was bad management. I don't know who we got in that trade, but it was a bad trade. Let's go Mystics. Is it M-I-S-S space T-I-C-K-S or is it M-Y? There we go. That was a joke, Max. Yeah, I think Paige Buckets, I think she's got in her. She's got the clutch gene. Yeah, the Mystics have the third in, the Mystics have the third, fourth and sixth pick. Yeah.

Holy shit. We're back to rebuilding. That was bad. I should have known that joke. Yeah, you should have. I was like, I was like, I'll look up at it. You should have you should. It's a terrible joke to you should have known it. Okay, any other sports? So official picks for I know, Hank, you have Houston, Houston, you have I got I'm good. I have a future on him. So I'm gonna say Florida. But yeah, I'm riding with Florida. I'm not getting off that. But if I were to bet it right I have a future on him. So I'm gonna say Florida. Yeah, I'm riding with Florida Yeah, I'm not getting off that but if I were to bet it right now, I would know take you. Yeah max

Florida's more Florida Florida. Yeah. Okay. What was that? I was painful to get out. No, there's there's just fun They are fun. They're more scoring. So I I appreciate that. That's true, but you love dogs Yeah, I do But scoring Clayton fun. I like what Dan Hurley says they're wolves Yeah, honestly if we could just do if we do the championship game you're like Duke actually won that game But it's guaranteed they lose it like sign me up. I want to watch them lose again I don't even need a champion never be in that never be in that fashion though that was oh one in a million. Ha!

It was incredible. It was stunning. Hank, what? I want to watch it again tonight! As a former and I think still closeted Duke fan. Duke is my favorite. He has a future on Houston too. Duke is my favorite college basketball team like I don't have a team that I would root

for over Duke obviously last night was unique in that I had a future that I bet in February and they happened to line up but You're also not a big college sports fan, right? But did you feel but like if I had to pick one team I wanted to win It's Duke but you've been you've been poo-pooing your your Duke fan of this year quite a bit Watching that game on Saturday. Were you like this fucking sucks? No, cuz he's no future I have a future which I was like, this is a loser. This is a loser This is a loser literally only after the over-the-back call obviously That's when they took the lead call by the way

I could not I could not believe what was happening like it was one of those games where you just sit I think we just sat in the game we came for like 25 30 minutes after just stunned yeah, but I feel bad. I feel bad for Duke. I don't like seeing people pile on Just jealous people you know you think you think we're piling on yeah, I think you know you you hate them because they beat you in the only time you'll ever make the championship and and It's just sad to see their kids. There's what I admit to all of that what you just said Yeah, yeah, so it's not like it's not a ha moment. What you said is exactly right. No, I just I don't like seeing it You don't like seeing my hate. Yeah, they said it's very ugly. Yes, that's crazy. It's ugly. Why can't I do?

Why can't I hate you? It's the proverbial you are you all the Duke haters? Yes. I mean, that's everybody I Know I'm saying you asked me about my Duke fandom It's like you don't like how much I don't enjoy like I don't I'm not living and dying with the team But I do not like seeing people, you know jump down their throats mm-hmm Max sim the I like NBA draft lottery one time I like jumping down their throats a lot no no I wasn't paying attention you guys sim it for for the class I really like it sim fuck if the spurs if the spurs get it again spurs I'm gonna storm the LMO. That was very funny

I was in San Antonio for a day and a half. We did two live shows and we're doing Barso live on Friday and we're just like halfway through the show and Dave was just like, oh, yeah, I forgot I hate popovich He just said Was like what the whole crowd like what popovich is also like this like Brad Stevens, like you don't have Brad Stevens without Popovich to an extent. Yeah. Yeah. So that didn't make a lot of sense to me. And I didn't realize that Popovich had a stroke. Yeah. Yeah. David didn't know that either. But yeah, it was a very funny moment in San Antonio. Thank you San Antonio. I had a great time. Yes, a great city. Love going down to San Antonio, it was a blast. Okay, let's get to who's back of the week.

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My who's back the week Augusta national masters masters week golf in general. Big week for golf big week for mini golf. It's probably going to rain out though on Monday at Augusta. But it looks like good weather for the week for the most part. I love that you're locked in on the weather forecast. I'm super locked in. Real dimple head. I love that.

Super, super excited. I mean, we're going to do a Masters preview on Wednesday. You just jump in the gun? It's Masters week. Okay. Who's back? Okay. The Masters. That's fair. Okay, fair Who's back Hank thinking about the man? He's thinking about the man. Yes, Masters week. How's the weather?

It's not looking good for Monday, but it's looking good for the rest of what is Monday matter. It doesn't I don't know why PFT brought it Oh, I was just trying to rain on his parade. Oh, okay Friday I mean, I am I am a big like I get really bummed out when there's bad weather at the bus Oh, yeah, I mean it I don't want anything to impact Thursday, Friday, Saturday or Sunday. Definitely not that like the rain delay that Brooks had to deal with when Hank cursed him by releasing the shirt. But yeah, it'll probably soften it up, right?

Yeah. It ends on Monday? We got a, we're gonna do our master's preview on Wednesday. We're gonna have a great show preview, maybe have one of our good friends on. But I gotta pick for you guys. You want me to hear it right now? Jig nap.

I'm gonna do something a little crazy out of the box here. I'm thinking Brooks. I like that. I like that. I like that. He's won there before. I bet Brooks.

I know he hasn't. Every single year. He was. And then Hank Jigs. I'm a loyal guy. I'm a loyal guy. I like Max Homa, there we go Hank. I Like Brooks. I bet Brooks a Brett Max and then I'm doing my live round robin again I love was it's a big week for live huge week was gonna show out in a big way

Love that for you Okay Pft my who's back of the week this week in a big way. Love that for you. Okay, PFT? My who's back of the week this week is John Moran. Because we talked about him on Friday's show when he got in trouble for, well, they investigated him for doing a simulated gun on the court

and then they reprimanded him. They said, hey, John, knock it off, even with the fake guns. We should have specified that when we told you not to hold any guns this includes fake ones And then on Friday he goes out there and he just does the fake gun again. Yeah, which respect very funny I respect the hell out of that. I don't know if you like did it and that it's just like a Involuntary reaction when he makes a shot to pretend to hold the gun or if he did it intentionally and then memes went mega viral. Yeah. Mega viral memes with the clip of Ja pulling the gun out. When did the trend of

like, is there an AI program that just simulates somebody grabbing a gun out of nowhere or is it just quakes? It's called quakes. Is he the trend? He is the one man trend. Because this is going to be a thing now. Yeah. Like somebody's going to design a piece of software that probably takes like a week to write and it's just going to be like engineer anybody to pull out a gun out of nowhere. Yeah. It's all going to be traced back to his brain, which I love. He got it from like one of those AI type in whatever things, but like he's the one who did it the first time and now it's for everything.

Yeah. I just, I love the fact that John Moran can't quit holding fake guns. My new favorite is the best addiction of all time. Yeah, my new favorite argument online too is people being like John Moran is getting treated unfairly. Oh yeah, that's like he's being there. The NBA coming down on him for his fake guns is bullshit. Just ignoring all the history of Jomarant with real guns. I love that shit.

It's great. I mean, it is behavior that like a five-year-old would do when they learn back in the day if you were like playing cowboys and Indians or like cops and robbers, you just go around like doing the finger gun point. Oh yeah. Like this. I do it with my son and I have to stop myself because I'm like, I shouldn't do this. Yeah. You have to like teach a six- six year old, hey, don't always go

around pointing a fake gun. John Moran. Again, I think it's progress. Yeah, my job that he's now doing fake guns exclusively. And they might be super soakers. We're not sure. But yeah, it's very funny that he just continues to do it after they tell him not to. Were you guys toy gun houses growing up or you had to go to your friend's house to play with a toy gun? I had a friend that had Yeah, the best toy gun collection growing up or you had to go to your friend's house to play with a toy gun? I had a friend that had the best toy gun collection of all time. I had a friend who had cap guns, all the stuff.

I'd go over there and I'd be like... We'd get some super soakers. First thing, first thing I'd say, walk in the door, you want to play guns? Yeah. And be like, dude, I play guns all the time. I'm like, yeah, but I don't have guns, so I want to play guns. Nerf guns, cap guns, all that shit. Yeah.

You were either that house or you had a friend who had that house. Max, were you? No, I wasn't allowed to have shit. Yeah, you're either that house or you had a friend who had that house max for you I Know I wasn't allowed to have guns. Yeah. Yeah, probably actually like Like our parents probably did it just because they're like, oh, this is fine All right max parents probably like he really actually shouldn't he shouldn't have a guy his temper Well, also an Italian walking around carrying gun you would get profiled in ways that mean big cat might not Yeah If you had a gun when big Dom think big Dom called in on Wednesday, would you have used it?

And by using it I mean just even flashing it if Jerry was in the room probably you would have flashed it I would have at least flashed it maybe Fuck Jerry. Yeah, just imagine every time that max does this yeah actually just slamming a clip into it You need to get quick. I should be so bad as a kid. I oh I used to get so many technicals in basketball We're going like this Just for losing my temper. Yeah, okay. I have two who's back the weeks First one is Aaron Rodgers because there's a theory floating out there. So Pat McPhee has a show on Wednesday night in Pittsburgh. Yep Means what's the name of the show? I

Think he's got it. I think he's doing like a homecoming show. Can you look it up? Can you tell us what the name of the show is hometown throwdown? it's So the theory is that Aaron Rodgers is waiting for that show to come out on stage and say I'm going to be a Pittsburgh Steeler to fuck over the mainstream media, which I would love. That would be awesome. What's the look for the no, no, it's a live show in Pittsburgh in a theater. We got trying not to. I'm trying not to look at Twitter. You told me not to be on Twitter. Google Pat

McAfee live show Pittsburgh Wednesday. That's basically what I googled. No, you didn't put no show or Pittsburgh. You said yeah, you said big night out with Pat McAfee and friends. Okay, so I think it's sold out. memes. Give it to us. What's it called? The big night out. Yeah, there we go. Uh, memes loves doing the accent. So I think he might announce that which would be sick and Pat's the type of guy who could pull this off don't tell Like Pat has enough pull that he could be like hey Aaron you want to you want to announce your signing? At my show the whole world is content now. Yeah, it really is. It's like, okay We're gonna wait for a podcast to do this

We're gonna have this guy my podcast and then that guy I got to go on his podcast because I beefed with this other guy on this other podcast. And then it's a big podcast crossover. And then it's the pod crossover that will end them all. But I have, I kind of like this and no offense to our good friend, Adam Schefter, who we love, but like, I kind of like every now and then a player stealing it from the insiders and being like, I control my own message. No, don't get me wrong. Like this is what Pat's doing. This is if we had our way and like Blake Griffin was announcing his return to the NBA. Yeah. Cause he can dunk again.

I would love for him to do that on this year show. Yeah. But, uh, yeah, it's just, if Aaron Rogers has been waiting and he actually hasn't told teams for the last month because he's like I got this live show thing Yeah, I'm trying to do that's kind of fucked up. I I kind of like it, but if it was your team Oh, yeah, I'd be pissed. Yeah, you'd be pissed. Yeah. Oh for sure, but I just like that. I like chaos and and the You know what? I'm kind of like a Fuck you to power kind of guy. Yeah, you are. Yeah, we're rage against machine. You are like that We are we're big-time rage against the machine the establishment fuck them except in this case The establishment is uh, also our friend adam schafter. Yeah, and also yes

But also we can hold two thoughts in our head at the same time, which is he's the machine Sometimes I kind of like the machine. Yeah, when it's schafter. He can be cool Oh the machine we need to have notice on for the machine. Yeah. When, when the machine delivers the goods, you're like, fuck, I'm glad we have a machine. Yeah. It would actually be nice if Schafter got it like two seconds before. And then everyone else didn't. That would be, that would be a funny twist because you know what that would be? That would be Adam Schafter raging against the machine. Schafter should just go to the show. Yeah. That would be great too. If he's just reported

to get it first. Yeah. If Schater, if Shepter like right before the show scooped Aaron Rodgers, then that makes Aaron Rodgers the machine. Yeah. And Shepter wins. Yeah. This has nothing to do with anything in my Who's Back, except for the fact that we were talking about Pittsburgh.

But I saw it. Sometimes you see the perfect tweet. And I saw the perfect tweet the other day. It's from Larry David's mistress. And this person said, Paul skeins looks like if you tried to draw Josh Allen from memory. And that nail. Okay, yeah. He really does. He was in the GQ photos. The mustache is important difference. Yeah, if you were just like, close your eyes and draw Josh Allen, you'd end up with Paul skeins. I would just draw a goat

No, there you go. All right. My other who's back is Censorship because Kike Hernandez got censored. I don't know if you guys saw this you did not put the accent on his name Yeah, he did not put the accent on his name. No, he's getting on the team flight For the Dodgers and he was wearing a hat and they blurred out the hat and he was like why did you blur out my hat turns out the hat was a skeleton with its nose inside of an ass and it said butthole whisper yeah I saw the picture of him getting on that plane I was like there's there should be something there yeah nervous that yeah that's an awesome company I don't know anything about the butthole whispers but I'm all in yeah

I feel disrespected that my hat got photoshopped see what he said. That's pretty cool. When you're the Dodgers you could do this kind of shit Memes how scared are you whenever you have to tweet? Kike Hernandez highlight Good question how scared yeah Not that scared okay good good probably memes is so not racist no Okay, let's get what the booth boys showed up early we got a Monday reading Shane got you in here Okay Early hey, they want to read all right All right. Let's get to our interviews.

We're going to do Coach Dan Hurley first and then Mark Hoppus. Two great interviews. It is brought to you by our friends at TaxAct. Can you believe it's already April and your taxes are due on April 15th? That's coming up fast Hank. Do you have any tips? Go to TaxHack.com. If you've waited this long, you've made a mistake, but thankfully TaxHack.com is here to help you.

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Okay, we now welcome on a very, very, very special guest. Good friend of the program. Two time national champion. Still, as of the taping of this show, reigning national champs, it is coach Dan Hurley. This is your last 24 hours. Is there anything you...

What do you do? Is it like when Miss USA loses her crown? You got 24 more hours Is there anything you, what do you do? Is it like when miss USA loses her crown? You got 24 more hours where you're champs. Are you going to do anything special with it? I think I'm going to, uh, I'm going to celebrate tomorrow. You know, I'm going to take, I'm going to take all of Monday because, uh, I didn't really think about it until the weekend where it's like, yeah, it's about to expire. Would you get eliminated from the tournament? I mean, it's obviously it's over. You're not going to win it again, but there is still time left in this.

Yeah. Reigning national champion. That might be one of the last times people get to call you that for at least another year. So enjoy it. Is that the net behind you? get to call you that for at least another year. So, so enjoy it. Is that the net behind you? There's, um, some of this stuff, it's my wife's office. So she's got some stuff with the kids, you know, some like flag football and some little league mixed in with like an elite, a final four net. So it's like, it's just like random stuff from the kids, CYO, third place trophies, all that type of stuff. Was it weird? I mean, it's, it's crazy to say, but it must've been weird this weekend not being at the final four. I know you saw this. Uh, John Fanta reported that both coaches

have shared a lot of words with the officials in this game that are not safe for television. Danny Hurley doesn't go to a final four and all of a sudden we've, we've run amok and all the coaches are, are acting with bad behavior. like you got to get back to clean this up. I thought that I thought he, TV could have did a better job. Just like, you know, right as the coaches were getting angry at the officials that you know, normally, you know, with me, the camera stays a little longer. It gets the full interaction. And I just thought that maybe they,

they just, I thought they pulled the camera a little early when we could have saw something good. Yeah. I mean, you did, you quote you said, no way. What a disgrace, which I liked because it is, it is very funny when it's like, Oh wow. A coach trying to win a very high stakes game gets, gets animated. That's crazy. Never seen before. No, and I don't think coach, I mean, I don't think coach Samson is going to be very intense. At all. I mean, I don't think that he's a, you know, hard coaching guy that sometimes has questions about a call. Yeah, yeah, yeah, no. Yeah, I think him and Todd are they're

gonna, I mean, that's Steel Cage. I mean, I shared the court with Todd. I mean, Todd is an intense coach. Most of the coaches are. I mean, you look at the Big East, I mean, you know, there's some intense coaches and Todd's an intense coach. And yeah, I mean, it feels weird not to be playing, you know, it does. It's something that you, you, we just got, uh, just got accustomed to it the last two years, man. Really the last couple of years, uh, has felt like one long year. So, have you been watching the game since you got eliminated or you just like, I don't want to see. No, in 22, when we got bounced like, you know, in a very unceremonious way, you know, by New Mexico State and Teddy Allen as a 5 to a 12, I couldn't watch it.

I mean, it was, you know, just unbearable. But no, this I watched. I watched the game straight away this time. It was, it was like disappointing. We couldn't go on, but like, um, I also, I wanted to kind of see what the teams that were still playing were doing and like why they were still playing and why we weren't, you know, like, yeah. What did they get right? That, that, that, that we didn't get right with the squad. You know, so how do you feel about like watching Florida? Are you taking the mentality of like if they win the national championship at least we lost to the national champion? Or are you angry at Florida and you're like, I hope these guys lose because I'm pissed at him Those are the only two options yeah, this is how fans think by the way, yeah, is there a third no, that's it Yeah, well, no

Yeah option. The third is, uh, like you could even go even further where if you are rooting for Florida to kill Houston and then you can say, well, we actually played Florida the toughest. So we're second place. Yep. I think when you've experienced championship glory, you're, you don't like get the petty moral victories that way. I think you're just like, I mean, you do notice and you say to yourself, like we had opportunities in that round of 32 game, you know, up, up three with the ball, uh, you know, in transition three and a half minutes to go, uh, with the chance maybe to, to get a, in transition three and a half minutes to go with the chance, maybe to, to get a three in transition and take a six point lead.

But we turn the ball over. Uh, it then goes to the media timeout and, uh, you know, from there, Clayton, you know, Clayton took over and did a little bit of like a, uh, uh, Kemba Walker, Shabazz Napier thing. Uh, and he's kept doing it. Yeah. So you know what? I mean, I, I respect how, you know, Todd, I mean, he put, I think, you know, both, you know what? I mean, I respect how you know Todd, I mean he put I think you know both

you know, listen Houston is amazing. They're doing it on culture and will and You know and and just a program mentality You know, obviously with Florida and I think with Duke they put together like incredible rosters man Like their roster construction is like top top notch, um, you know, high level stuff and same thing with Auburn, but you know, Florida, um, you know, I take no solace in having had a shot in that one to keep it going. Yeah. So, so from their perspective, from Florida and Houston's perspective, you win the final four game. What is the next like 24, 36 hours look like from a coach's perspective? How much are you

actually putting into a new game plan and how much was like, Hey, we just got to, we got to trust what we're doing and hope what we're doing is going to work here instead of trying to overload the guys with new information. Yeah. So, you know, you've got one of your, you've got one of your coaches on staff that's obviously, uh, you know, doing, um, you know, all of the advanced work on, you know, those other teams, right? Whether it was, um, if you're Florida, they're already, you know, they've got, uh, you know, a fully detailed scouting report on, detailed scouting report on Duke or Houston.

But you go and you play that semi-final game for us, like we just focused on in the 14 tournaments, just that first game only. We did not, whether it was superstitions or just not wanting to get ahead of ourselves, we focused on just that one opponent, that first game. And then what happens is you get back so late on the bus ride back to the hotel after the semifinal game. Last year I probably watched one of Purdue's games, just the NC State game on the way back to the hotel and then at the hotel the night of the semis.

And then you're literally that next day you're doing so much media and you've got such a short practice time that you just walk around a tablet, you know, trying to get three or four of the Purdue games in that day on Sunday just to have as much knowledge and feel for them as you can as a head coach. And obviously you're gonna put a lot of trust into your assistant, which with us it was Luke Murray get ready for that Purdue game. And really letting him come up with a defensive game plan and trusting your staff that way.

But the game is on top of you so quickly and you're part like obviously you're really tired long-ass season and But everything is pretty automatic by this time of year man Like you know, you know the place that you're calling first man first zone, you know, you know your substitution pattern I mean everything is pretty automated at this time of year because you've just you've played so many games, you've played like 40 games. Yeah. How much time do you have to actually implement anything that you find on tape through like advanced scouting? How much time do you have to actually translate that to a change in the game plan for your team? You had a, you go into

the semi final game, you could do some real things with those days. If you played on a Saturday and then you don't play again until that next Saturday in the final four, you could really throw some wrinkles in on offense, some wrinkles in on defense. But basically, all you're going to get with your team, you're probably going to get two video sessions, two maybe three video sessions before the national championship game. Going over tendencies, going over personnel. I think it's mostly going to be heavy personnel driven, trying to take things away individually from the other team, like trying to know, trying to chase three point shooters off the three point line, you know, if there's a dominant post score, are we trapping the

post, are we playing that single coverage? Are we trying to send them to one shoulder or the other? Is this a team we should try to pressure more or, or sit in gaps and make them shoot threes? I mean, there's not a whole lot of adjustments or wrinkles you could do because you're going to basically get maybe an hour and 15 minutes a day before the game on the court to walk through some things. Some coaches shoot around the day of the national championship games, some don't. They try to save the legs and some just want to get on the court and do the walkthrough. I mean, we would always go out there and do the walkthrough because you can't put a person like me just in the hotel all day, the day

of a game. You got to turn. You got to let me out of the cage for a little while. Yeah. All right. So, so, so it's very interesting that the assistant coach is doing a lot of the prep for you. And when you're in this short tournament setting, now when you're like in the game, so Luke Murray, for instance, you're in the game against Purdue. Is he like telling you things like, Hey, I know they're about to do this. And then you, you obviously trust him to a level where it's like, all right. Or, or even like in the huddle, is he drawing stuff up instead of you because he has an intimate knowledge of what their next plays might look like. So a lot of what the, a lot of what the, the coaches that have the scout do, I mean, they're

handling a lot of the other team's offense. So you'll see those guys like when an opponent is taking a ball out in an out under, and they see the formation, they'll be standing up and yelling to our team, hey, it's screen to screen, or if they hear a play call or something that they recognize, you know, they'll stand up. If it's a half court, you know, set play that they're running, they'll stand up and yell, you know, stagger, flare screen, back screen, and try to let them know what's coming, you know, more so, I think from a defensive standpoint, um, you know, and, and, uh, but they, they deal with them a lot, like in the TV timeouts are really long in the NCAA tournament.

So you're in those huddles, feels like halftime in a regular huddle. So they're giving them a lot of information. Um, you know, before I get into the huddle, after yelling at the ref for a talk at a Tracy Wolfson, you know, then I'll come into that huddle and they'll have gone through a lot of like the stuff that they wanted to think about for us defensively. Yeah. Yeah. What do you talk about with Tracy Wolfson when she comes over and she tries to ask hard

hitting journalism questions, you know, either during the game or coming out of halftime, do you have a script ready to go for where you're like, here's where I'll say something and not say anything at all? Well, I mean, my SID, Bobby Mullen, you may have heard of him. Yeah. He he'll tell me before the game, hey, you know, you've got TV at the under 12. But I mean, once the anthem hits, I'm like, all that has gone out the window and all I could see is red. So I'll have no idea that that camera is

coming my way. And I mostly just check to make sure I don't have like any white stuff on the side of my mouth. Cause your mouth gets real dry. Yeah. You're just yelling at people and, and, and, uh, feeling the pressure of the moment. So I just mostly, I never know what she's going to ask. And I just don't want to have any white stuff on the side of my, our little piss that you have that you just took your swig of piss so you got like a little piss coming down your chin or something.

Yeah, which I could not have in the actual piss bottle. So I know people were upset, but you have to use the March Madness cups, you know you, but it was piss right. It was still piss. It's piss from a redheaded person or, or, or, you know, a ginger. Yeah. Yeah. Just can't yourself fired up. All right. So after, after the game against Florida, there was some hubbub. There was a lot of Dan Hurley discourse going on that you had to address. You know, the tunnel, uh, you know, Bobby Mullen, uh, was there any point Luke Murray, like two days later was like, Hey, are you going to apologize to me for saying shut up? Because that was

like, that was like maybe like fifth on your list, but that was a very funny clip that was going viral. I just, when I saw the clip, it just, how casually I said, yeah, shut up. Sometimes you gotta be direct, right? Stop your sentence. You like barely stop where you're going. Just shut up. But the thing though, I mean, Luke's been with me since Wagner. Yeah. I mean, since the Wagner days, since then a second tour of duty at roadie and now back with me a third time. So obviously, you know, we we've got a, we've got a great give and take relationship that way. But I just, I was making her, I do something I wanted to do on the court. And then Luke

was just telling me either something that he saw or wanted to do, but I, I was so focused on what I wanted us to do that I just quickly wanted to tell him to shut up. It is, did you notice this year? I know there was, there was obviously the Creighton thing, which I were, we're big fans of rivalries. We love rivalries. We think there should be passion. We that's why we're a fan of yours. Like sports are boring if guys aren't, you know, with their heart on their sleeves playing with their emotions. But did you think it was a little weird, uh, that the criticism kind of ramped up this year when I actually think you've maybe

gotten a little bit more calm than the Wagner Rhode Island days. But the only difference being you won back to back national titles. So people are like, oh, he's too much. It's like he's not really changed. She's always been this way. Yeah. Yeah. It looks, it definitely it's, I mean, it's, it's the winning. I mean, there's so much there. I mean, yeah, it definitely it's, I mean, it's the way I mean, there's so much there. I mean, yeah, I mean, I was like, I was I'm an asshole times. I mean, that's, you know, it's just who I am. I mean, I'm from I'm from Jersey. You know, like when you're from like, North Jersey, like New York's, your New York City area, I don't think it's as offensive to people outside of that area, like people in the Northeast. I think they understand me more that way. I think there are people

though that live in the Midwest, or maybe if they're from parts of the West Coast that they just don't understand human beings like me, that we get, you know, as intense or as emotionally charged, or you could put as much of yourself into a competitive endeavor and then take the results as badly. I mean, we could break them down individually. I mean, you know, I didn't think the refs really cheated us in the Florida game. I thought there was a call on a caravan drive that there was a foul that needed to be called that would have kept it at a two possession game if he made his free throws. And I felt like that, you know, that was on my brain as I was heading down that tunnel

as our pursuit of a three-peat in this incredible historic run that we had been on as it all had gone down in flames and I was filled with all this emotion. I mean, did I actually believe what I said? No. To a fellow combatant that was about to enter the ring, I just kind of said something to like the Baylor guys that we played this year, like, you know, you better be on your ship today because they ain't going to do you no favors out there. You're about to go play a one seed as a nine or an eight seed. Yo, you better be ready to go. And that's just kind of what combatants say to each other.

I had no idea that somebody would be like, you know, in a tunnel area where there is never media when these games end, I mean, back by the locker rooms, there is never, I thought it was like my safe space, you know, where I could just say some shit, uh, and let off some steam. And then the Creighton one, you know, that gentleman waited a long time for me to get back to that tunnel. I felt like he deserved for waiting so long. It was like, uh, it was like waiting for Santa at the mall. Like he waited forever for me to get back there.

I did TV. I felt like he deserved an interaction. Yeah. I understood karma at that point. That's why I didn't get pissed when the kid on Crate dunked the ball in the Big East tournament. If you noticed, I really didn't get pissed when, uh, you know, when the kid on Crate and dunk the ball in the big East tournament, if you noticed, I really didn't flip out. I understood that karma. I had said something to the balding guy and then, and then, uh, I got my comeuppance at

the big East tournament and that's why I didn't flip out and act like the victim. Yeah. Uh, I got what I deserve. Karma and other coaches get that too. When they say, you know, when they say shit. Yeah. That, that's a very fair answer because I think that's, that's what we always love about sports is like sometimes you're on top. You talk your shit. Sometimes you eat the shit and you keep going. And I'd like to say hand up. We, we did a bad job for not even thinking that through after the crate thing. Like you were doing that guy a favor. Like that, that made that guy's year to have an internet to get cussed out by Dan Hurley.

That's worth the price of the ticket right there. So good job growing the game coach. Yeah. Well ball thing though, I called him Baldy. He was, he's balding, not Baldy. And, and he was telling me that I sucked and that I was a horrible coach and that, you know, a bunch of things about, you know, my family and, you know, just people are yelling a lot of these vile things, but mostly to telling you that, that you suck. And I was telling him that I don't suck. Yeah, but we should start writing stories where it's like, uh, Dan Hurley ignores fan that calls

him tells him he sucks for two and a half hours. How could he? Yeah. Well, I mean, if you want to put it in that perspective, like you probably this year have ignored 400,000 people that are telling you that you suck. Yeah. That's a good. They don't write stories about that. That's true. Keep her cool. Yeah. One balding guy at Creighton. It's the end of the world. Yeah. Yeah. And the social, you know, you don't realize, I mean, it's like, you know, you, you don't become beloved when you win. You, you do. I mean, listen to media. I mean, part of it is the standard that they hold you to, I guess that if you're a championship level coach, that there's this gentlemanly fashion

that you're supposed to conduct yourself with that. I guess I see that point when you become one of the faces of college basketball, that there is, I guess, a more gentlemanly way that you could handle yourself in victory and defeat. I guess there's a perspective with that. That's just not my perspective for me right now. You know my perspective is I don't want to change a whole lot of things about the way that I go about my coaching and

my fire, my intensity, because it has produced, um, you know, it's produced historic success at, at UConn the last couple of years. Yeah, that's fair. We actually, we have a Villanova fan. If you want to do just a practice run, Max, you want to just tell them that he sucks? Uh, see what he says.

Yeah. You suck. How are you guys doing? Personal growth. Hey, that's personal growth. Incredible. On a serious note, I loved watching the games. I loved watching the Final Four. We had two great games after, you know,

a ho-hum start to the tournament in terms of competitiveness. Can you break down what you saw from the Houston Duke ending the last like three minutes of that game? Because watching as a fan, I felt a lot of things as I'm watching, but I want to know what somebody that knows their shit, somebody like you can tell us what happened at the end of that game. I mean, just Houston's got some dogs and, you know, just like a lesser coach and lesser just a lesser organization or team or something. I mean they just would have lost by 15 or 17 in that game but Houston is just a bunch of

wolves man led by a wolf and you know it sucks for Duke and it sucks for John, because like, you know, the way he put that roster together was just, it was meticulous. And, you know, he, I mean, he had, I think he had the, you know, the, just the best team, you know, just from top to bottom. I mean, it felt, it felt bulletproof going into that tournament and it looked bulletproof. And there was a, just, I think, obviously,

not being in a lot of close games, I think, just really hurt them a lot. Just not having to inbound the ball versus pressure, not having to shoot one-on-ones with pressure on them. Whereas Houston's played a lot of close games, but obviously they had a super year, but not being in those situations, not having pressure possessions down the stretch just hurt them. We were not good last year at close games at UConn. We were good either. Um, but, you know, the remedy for that is just whenever we got teams

down, like they got used to down, you know, we put them away and they really needed to find a way to just put Houston down and keep that game 14, 16, 18, back to 12, back to 15. They, they, once that shit got below six, it was, it got scary. Yeah, it's true. It's a really good point that they, they, they missed a few, they had that stretch where they had like one field goal in 10 minutes. And it felt like that kill shot just never, they let them hang around for too long. A dumb question. So Cooper flag, obviously, you know, he won Naismith player of the year. You guys recruited him heavily. Uh, I, if I were running a program and I missed in Cooper flag, like picked another

school besides my school, I would be like, fuck this. I'm going to be sad about it forever. Were you, do you ever like throughout this year, were you ever a moment where like, man, I, that would be sick if we had Cooper flag on our team or are you just so focused on your team? Cause that's what I would do. I would like have a bad day. It'd be like, I wish I had Cooper flag. I mean, if I did robot coach talk more often, I could save myself. A lot of, a lot of people get pissed at me when I say shit. We just focused on our season and I always focused on the next practice and I

never think about shit like that. But no, when he played the crazy game against Notre Dame think about shit like that. But no, when he played the crazy game against Notre Dame, I'm like, my God, if we threw him on our team with some of these guys, I mean, what would that look like? I mean, I probably wouldn't have just blown a seven point lead the last 30 seconds at Seton Hall twice. You know, like, so yeah, I mean, no, but, but then I'd say this you know like when you're watching their team play this year and the way that their staff put it together and just the quality of what they put together you're like you know he made it he made it I mean that was a great choice too because

they put a squad around him and that that that thing was, was, was impressive. Um, and then you meet him, he's a total baller, that kid, he's a dog. I mean, he's a warrior. Um, that, that guy, um, you just, and then he's got a lot of swagger and just a lot of pop to him. That, that guy is just what basketball needs. Yeah, he is, he's tremendous, but I, uh, yeah, it was, it was an incredible season for him. Um, all right. So I do have a question about Houston in this matchup because you did play Florida. Yes, I was, but yes, I was jealous. Yeah, that's, that's a good human like, cause you're right. Like most coaches would be like, no, we're foot, we got the guys we got, but if you're watching Cooper flag and he was, he was down between Duke and Yukon and you're like, shit, this would have been cool. Yeah. And the thing with like guys like Cooper, when we first

took over the job, uh, at first got the job at Yukon, it had fallen off so far that we couldn't really, the first couple of recruiting classes until we won that first, that first Natty, like we didn't even swim in the waters of recruiting five stars because we were still just trying to get our head above water. So he was the first, like five star, one and done that we really went after because Steph Castle, he was a guy who's like ranking had moved up and he committed to us so early that he wasn't like this one and done top five, top 10 player when he committed to her so early, you know, that he wasn't like this one and

done top five, top 10 player when he committed to Yukon. Like he was like a top 30 guys. So yeah. Did you ever, do you ever have moments where you're like, I said the wrong thing to Cooper flag, like, ah, I could have done this different. Like he probably didn't like he, you know, I like, we went, we, we emptied, uh, we, we, we emptied all of our clips. I mean, we, we went, I mean, we said, and, and, um, you know, cause we, we understood the, you know, the, the, you know, the pull to Duke and obviously Duke's a special place. And, you know, we were talking to him about dynasty. I mean, we knew we had a squad that, that, that, that, that had probably the best chance

of anyone to win two, two in a row. So we were just talking dynasty, you know, dynasty, dynasty, we're going to get three in a row dynasty. You're from Maine, you know, you're in this, you know, you're in this area. But yeah, we still have a shot at the dynasty. If you get three and four years is still have a shot at the dynasty. If you get your three and four years is still a dynasty. That's fast. Yeah, you said that you emptied the clip. Did you offer his twin brother a scholarship to ace as a player, man? Yeah. Ace could play aces

like stretch. You know, I think he's going to main I mean, you know, ace is gonna light up some high majors and he's bygames.. I would have done like this. Good player. I would have done like the Yonis thing. Like, yeah, we'll get your brother on the squad too. The whole, the whole gangs would be here. So, so Houston though, so you obviously you played Florida in the tournament Houston. You haven't played since you were in the AAC your first couple of years, which is always so funny when you look back and you're like, Oh yeah, Yukon was in that conference for a while. What is it when you're playing at Kelvin Sampson team? Like, what do you, what do you do for the way they rebound and defend? Because it is unlike any other team where they,

they just feel like they are part of every single board that gets, you know, every shot that goes up, they've got a chance for that offensive rebound, unlike any other team. So what do you do? What does Florida doing? I mean, nothing prepares you for it. I mean, we were, you know, we competed against those guys in, uh, you know, back, you know, back when we were in the AAC and then just watching it, uh, you know, and my brother played against it in the big 12 this year. I mean, it is, you really feel like you're under siege. I mean, it is just wave after wave of the life or death,

relentless pursuit of the basketball. I mean, you can't go through two on two rebounding drills the week of that game and try to get these guys ready for it because the way they get after it, you can't prepare for it. It's like a pass rush that just the quarterback is going to be rattled and it kills it kills your transition offensive game because it's hard for you to even run on them because getting a defensive rebound feels like survival you know some of the things I think that they have going for them is is uh you know that their

ball screen defense is really aggressive. So they're going to get the ball out of Clayton's hands. They're going to blitz him in ball screens. But will they make those fatal mistakes the last five minutes that teams like ours made, Texas Tech made, Auburn made late in games where Clayton has gotten those threes off the dribble, where your hedge guy is a little late getting up to the level of that ball screen.

And Clayton has got these crazy threes that he is hitting off the dribble, like these incredibly high degree of difficulty shots, where if you just make one mistake in ball screen defense and your big does not get up there and hedge it or blow it up or blitz him. That's where he's just burying people and ending people's seasons. Yeah. Yeah. It's going to be an incredible fun, you know, championship game. We got a prediction. We got a final score. You know, I just don't want to show up and make more enemies. I mean, I've got enemies at all over the place. I've entered the Lakers this off season.

Oh, have you thought about like, what if I had Luca? That'd be cool. You know, I just, well, no, I mean, Florida's fans already hate me because I, I blamed it on the refs. Um, so I didn't give their, their proper respect on having beaten us fair and square, which they did beat us fair and square. I'd like to get that out there. But man, it's a tough one, man. They're used to me, you know, and listen, they both played games they could have lost in this tournament.

So they're both battle tested. I think Florida had the game versus us in the Texas Tech game that both could have gone the other way. Houston had the Purdue game and the Duke game that could have gone the other way. It's basically the heater that Clayton has been on plus their front court you know versus like Houston has been knocking on the door of this for the last couple of years. So I guess I would take used to. Okay. Yeah. It's going to be an incredible game and it is like I mean the we needed this

final four because the there weren't a lot of I mean for a while there your game against Florida was the best game was the most dramatic game we had for like you know a week there so it was good watching great basketball. All right so I have one last question for you coach. Always great to have you on. It is my the row back question R H O B A C K dot com promo code. Take 20 percent off your purchase q-zips polos hoodies joggers shorts row back dot com promo code take my last question is so you have a book coming out or it's out called never stop which is the perfect title for a Dan Hurley book can't it am I allowed to stop every now and then like never stop never stop, never stop.

I mean, you're like a shark, right? If a shark stops, it dies. Yeah. Or, or at least I've read that. Yeah. And then, I mean, listen, some of the stuff that I've been doing, should I stop? I mean, I mean, maybe I'm gonna, I've got a lot of things to consider this off season. And I am, you know, listen, I didn't go to San Antonio and parade myself around there. I have self-awareness and situational awareness where I felt like the best thing to do was to lie low and not head to San Antonio and parade myself around.

You know, cause I do think that people needed a little break from me. The run we've been on, the way this year's gone. Um, you probably won't be seeing a whole lot of me until it's time to, to then go and talk about the book. Yeah. Obviously I've got to get out and plug the book. Right. It was smart. Like you weren't on 60 minutes or anything or did anything like that. That stuff was all shot in the summer. Majority of that stuff was shot. A long time ago.

Okay. All right. You did a good job on 60 minutes. You didn't flip out at the interview or anything. That was good. Funny if you had, yeah, if you got mad, like that's not a fair question. Yeah. Don't touch my piss.

I was, I did get worried with 60 Minutes because there was some concern in my camp that based on the way the year was going, that that could turn into a hit piece. Just there was, I had obviously the meltdown in Maui where I tore my lululemon pants when I was, pants. You know what? There was an over the back call there that, you know, that got that obviously set a lot of things in motion, but there wasn't as much anger with that over the back call as the one last night. You know, where were all of the slow mo's of my over the back call that set me off? It's a good point. It's a good point. Yeah. Not the same stage of game. I would say a quarterfinal game in Maui and around Thanksgiving and the national semis. They should

call it the same way either way. Yeah. Some consistency. Yeah. You're right. Yeah. Well, just be consistent. Well, listen, my people, we've been accused of being Dan Hurley apologists, Listen, people, we've been accused of being Dan Hurley apologists, but we feel like we've been honest that you, I think every time that you have one of these things happen, we literally say what you said earlier, like, is he an asshole? Yeah. Do we want more of it in sports? Yeah. Like, and I think I actually have said the quote, like, Dan Hurley will tell you he's an asshole sometimes, which you did just now. So like, what are you going to do? I like sports are supposed to be entertaining like this. I want the bad blood. I want the rivalries. I want passion. I want all of this. Never stop. Guilty is charged. It makes the sports. I think it makes it better. I mean, it makes the crowds

better. When we go and play some of these games, the environments that I bring my team into. It's like the intensity gets ratcheted up just because of our presence and how much people want to beat us because they hate us and they hate me. I think the thing that most of these fans of a lot of these other schools though, they hate the fact that we're able to do something that is obviously so hard to do. And we did it twice. So we did it. We did it twice. We did it two times in a row and we did it with historical margins that will probably be never be done again. Yeah. Did you ever say to yourself, like after you lost the game against Florida? Well, at least we covered again. Yeah. Now it's got that streak alive. Well, I noticed that. Um, so I think Bobby, I think Bobby Mullen again,

I'm going to, uh, I think he might've mentioned to me, you know, like I get trolled a lot, I guess by the gambling sites, like they took some shots at me this year and I guess that's why, you know, I guess I cost them a lot of money. Yeah. True. Well, not in the tournament always bed on on Hurley in the tournament. Yeah. yeah. It's I mean, it's a good streak is still alive in my eyes. Yep. Yeah, you can still, you can still go. So, uh, well coach, thank you. It's always great having you on. Um, and next time, next year, I know we were trying to work it out, but when you come to DePaul, you gotta come to our office, put us through a quick drill because we've got the full court here. So, uh, that would be fun. Well, you could just beat us up for like 20 minutes.

Give your guys an off day. You can actually have them watch you bring your whole team. They can watch you beat us up. That would maybe good team bonding training session. I think, uh, just a 20 minute, uh, a 20 minute session. Yeah. Yeah. Make us 20. Yeah. We will drink pants. Defense, like defense condition, drink piss before you start. It would just like, like, like offense, like skill work to like some defensive fundamentals, to some cardio and then to some game situational live

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slash PMT, S I M P L I S A F E P-M-T, there's no safe like Simply Safe. And now here's Mark Hoppus from Blink 182. Okay, we now welcome on a very, very, very, very special guest. He is an incredible musician. He's also an author. It is Mark Hoppus from Blink 182. He's got a new book out called Fahrenheit 182, a memoir. And we are very excited to have you on. We're big fans of yours, big, big

fans of Blink, big fans of your career, but you have a book now. So we got to start with the book because yeah, I, I'm always curious. Uh, you know, you've had a very interesting life. I would put you up there of people I'd want to read a book about, but what made you jump to write a book? Because I always am like, is there a part of you that says, is this an egomaniac move to write a book? But you have an interesting life. Yeah. Yeah. That was the hardest thing for me to about writing the book was thinking that anyone would be interested enough to read a book that I had written.

But when I was sick, I got sick with cancer a few years ago and my doctor told me, when you're going through this, just write, just write like nobody's ever going to read this, just write your feelings, write your thoughts. And so I started writing all this stuff while I was undergoing chemotherapy and it was really helpful to me. And then, so I had this stuff that I'd written and my manager was like, you should write the story of Blink-182 from your perspective.

And Travis has his Wemar and Tom has written books, but I really wanted to tell the story of Blink-182 through my eyes and my experience because it's my favorite band of all time. I love my band members and I'm such a huge fan of Blink-182 that I wanted to share these stories. That's awesome That's really cool. So I I might be a bigger fan of blink 182 than you are. Maybe I'm not sure I took the shades off for this interview out of respect. I think there've been like three guys that we've interviewed on this show

I just want to look you in the eyes mark because I your your band Provided one of the seminal moments of my childhood Which was getting kicked out of school for the first time when I got sent home Because I was right. I was wearing a t-shirt that said blink 182 crappy punk rock You got kicked out of school for crappy punk rock. They sent me home early It wasn't like a suspension, but I felt like a badass and I thought wow okay. Yeah, so I thank you for that I appreciate being part of your your story I was gonna say you're part of my childhood too. Just that when enema the state came out I was like wait women can be that hot

Cuz I was also like a holy shit. I think maybe the soundtrack to my first-hand job. Yeah nice. Yeah You've been there for all to be there Important moments in your lives the ups and downs, no, we appreciate you coming on the show. And you guys, I noticed last year, all the small things kind of became a sports anthem. Somewhat out of nowhere. I'm not sure how it happened. But I know that you're Dodgers fan.

I am. And Tom is a Padres fan. Yep. And the Padres were using all the small things as like their pump up song in the series against the Dodgers. Did you think about calling the Dodgers and being like, I do not give you permission to use this song. No, not at all. I like you know, the Avalanche use it as their

fight song on their run to the Stanley Cup. The Padres were using it during our playoff season last year against the Dodgers. I just love the people care about that song enough after whatever it is. That song was released in 1999. It's 2025. It's 25 years of that song and it's become a rock jock anthem. Awesome. Love it. It is. It is good. So the book from your, from your perspective and it goes through your whole life, do you think it would have, I mean, I think part of why it's going to be so interesting is you guys broke up a couple times but still got back together and that feels good because I know that like the bands

break up and they never get back together and everyone just sits there being like, man, my favorite bands just no longer, you know, exists. So like getting back together on both times, how, how was it different? And also does it make it the book, like writing the book a little easier knowing that it had somewhat of a happy ending? Um, I, I am so thankful that after all that our band has been through the breakups and the, the, uh, reunions and breaking up again and getting back together again, this is the third iteration of Blink 182 and people still want to buy albums and listen to our music and come to the shows. And to have that kind of

fan base, I don't even call it fan base. It's like to have that many people support our band is just so incredible and we're so thankful for it. When we sat down this last time when we were talking about, let's do Blink-182 again, let's do it on entirely our own terms, the way that we wanna do it, the three of us, Blink-182 forever, like we can't mess this up again. I don't know if I can curse on your show. So, we can't fuck this up again.

The third time is just, we will be a joke at that point. Like if we're getting back together as the three of us, it has to be forever and that's it. And everybody is like fully on board and it's the best feeling. So when that conversation happens, is it just the three of you in the room? And I would imagine it's just very, you guys have been through so much together that it's kind of everyone stripped down to like, we know each other like brothers. Yeah, totally.

I have both times that like, you know, it's been when Tom quit the first time, he and I didn't speak for like four years. When he quit the second time, we didn't quit, we didn't talk for a while, and then we were just cordial with one another. But when we come back together, it's almost like, what are we doing? Like, that was so dumb.

Why, like, why did we ever get to that point? There's a shorthand and a brotherhood and a friendship that we just come back together and it's like, okay, cool, what are we gonna do now? Yeah, that's awesome. The first time you guys met, you broke your feet trying to impress them. Is that true?

Yeah, I met Tom the day that I moved to San Diego. I woke up in the morning. I was in Ridgecrest, California, which is in the middle of the Mojave Desert. That's where I grew up. I drove to San Diego to move in with my mom and stepdad to go to college in San Diego. Got to San Diego, unloaded all my stuff, stepdad to go to college in San Diego. Got to San Diego, unloaded all my stuff,

which was just my clothes and a trash bag. My sister was in high school at the time and she said, ''Oh, you know what you should do? You should meet my friend, Tom. He's my boyfriend's best friend. He plays guitar and he's trying to start a punk rock band.'' So I grabbed my bass, drove over to Tom's house that night, wrote our first songs together,

kind of became bros at that point, the bromance began. And afterwards, like we were sitting, I was sitting out in the cul-de-sac in front of his house. I was smoking cigarettes and we were kind of talking and stuff, and I looked over and I saw a light pole and I was like, I bet I can climb that light pole. And I climbed all the way up and I came back down and I just jumped off way too high ended up you know busting

my heels was on crutches for six weeks but the next day Tom Collins like hey you want to come over and write some more music that's cool he was like that was sick that's awesome respect this is a guy that I vibe with it's like nice crash idiot let's make some music did you so so when you when you guys decide to make music together was it instant Cause one of my favorite parts about, you know, music and, and watching bands and, and their growth, it feels like that first album always has that spark to it. And it has that like everyone together and you're, you're all trying to make it together. Is that fair, a fair assessment? Like where you guys had that spark right away? Like, oh, we did. We were meant to do this together. Yeah. You know, the, the first song that Tom and I wrote together

was a song called Carousel. And you know, we had just met, I plugged in my bass in his garage, which he had turned into his bedroom at his parents' house. And he said, do you have any ideas for new music? Cause we were talking about bands we like. And I said, oh yeah, I wrote this thing a couple of weeks ago and I played it for him, but it was really incomplete.

It was just like a little riff. And he goes, oh my God, that works perfectly with this thing that I've been working on. And he played me his guitar thing. I'm like, it's even in the same key. Like it works perfectly. And so we had already started writing songs with each other before we'd even met. And it felt like, you know, it felt like it was meant to be from day one. Yeah. I'm always curious when I'm talking to musicians about when you know that you're, you're going to commit to this full time, that it's going to be your job because it's fun to play music with your friends. It's fun to be in a band, but at some point you guys have to commit to it and say, this is my focus. If we need to get into a van and travel around for like three weeks, we'll do it. We'll make dog shit money, but this is going to be my full-time gig right now.

What was that for you guys? I was in college and Blink was starting to play some shows and we'd get more shows over the weekend. So, you know, one weekend we played San Diego and the next weekend we play LA and then like a month later we'd play San Diego, LA and Phoenix. And then a couple of weeks later we play San Diego, LA, Phoenix, San Francisco, Sacramento. And so I was missing a lot of college. I was doing poorly in school and the band was just starting to create this kind of tiny little spark where people would come and see us play

and we were getting more opportunities. And I went to my mom and I was like, look, we're making 50 bucks a show at this point. Like we can barely afford gas money, but we can afford gas money now. And there's an opportunity to go on tour maybe sometime in the future. What do I do? Because I don't want to fail out of college and waste all this money and waste

my parents' money." And she was like, you can go back to college anytime. There are people in their 40s that go back to college and finish their degree. You only get one chance to be in a band. Get out there and go find your dream. And I was like, all right, cool. And so, I ended up living at her house with my mom and my sister and my stepdad until I was in my mid twenties, just treating the place like a skateboard flop house. Me and my bandmates and skater loser friends would stay the night there. We would stay up till four o'clock in the morning

playing Street Fighter II, screaming. My parents would come out in the middle of the night, shut the fuck up, we're trying to sleep. And we'd go back to it and it was, it was great. It was the only way that I was able to start being in a band and tour at all was that my mom was like, yeah, live at home, go do your shit. Yeah. Yeah.

And then very cool mom move. Things, things kind of took off when Dude Ranch came out. And when you're recording that and you're listening to Damn It for the first time after you've recorded it, do you know this is going to be a hit? Like my life's going to change? Nah, I mean, we thought it was a cool song and we thought it was a highlight of the album.

And we thought it would be the first single, but first, like we didn't have singles at that point. People weren't really playing us on the radio too much. There were a few stations in Southern California that were playing M&Ms off of Cheshire Cat. And maybe Josie, no, Josie was on Dude Ranch. So maybe they were playing M&Ms off of Cheshire Cat. But we didn't have singles until Dude Ranch. And so when we were recording, like we didn't know

that that was going to be a single that was going to be played on the radio, we were going to film a video for, it was just the highlight of the record at that point. So that song we still play as the big closer of our sets, even now 30 years later. Yeah. And I remember the first time when I heard the intro to Damn It, I was like, I love this. Before the song started, really, I was like, I love this song.

This is now my favorite song. And you wrote the guitar part for that, right? And so when you're showing Tom the guitar part, is he like, dude, what the fuck? I write the guitar parts. No, we've always written kind of everything together. Like he writes, he'll be like, I think the bass goes like this. And I'll be like, I think the guitar goes like this. And we have license to change one another's ideas or try and come up with something better.

When I wrote the guitar riff at the beginning of dammit, I wrote that on a good on an acoustic guitar that I had busted at my mom's house and it only had the bottom three strings on it only had the EAD strings on it. So that's why it just has those. You can play the whole thing on three strings. And that's kind of, I think the limitation was why the song is kind of good because it's so simple and catchy. Yeah. Do you have a moment in the history of Blink-182 where you're like, oh shit, this has now changed forever. Like we, some, you know, whether it be a album song or, you know, getting a, you know, a tour or anything, we're like, okay, we've hit the point of no return

where this is now, I've made it, so to speak. Well, made it like this is the point of no return, I would say probably during the enema of the state era where we started like touring enough that we were playing amphitheaters and arenas. And you know, we had hit songs on the radio and we were playing, being played on TRL and we'd walk into like a clothing store somewhere

and they'd be playing all the small things. What the fuck is this? And at that point, I was like, wow, okay. Now I feel a little confident that this is gonna be at least going for a few more years. You know, you never know what's going to happen as a musician, as an artist, you know, performer, actor, whatever it is, like what's the next gig? What's the people going to still care in five years? And you know, we've always worked and written the best songs we can and toured our asses off and believed in ourselves

and it's worked out well for us, but you can't ever count on it, you know? Right, right. Do you think it's harder or easier like in today's? Because, you know, we obviously have access to more music now with Spotify and all the streaming. But like you mentioned TRL, I remember as like a kid, a child of the nineties, like coming home and turning on TRL and being like, oh, these are the top 10 songs right now. And, and like that being something that that's I don't want to call it monoculture but it felt like that as kids at that time do you think it's that was like a big part of breaking through and and today it might be a little more difficult yeah I think it's really difficult then and now in completely different ways back then it was expensive to record the you know now you can

have your laptop computer a few rudimentary microphones, and you can record great sounds, and you can put together songs, and you can upload them to SoundCloud, or there's like tens of thousands of songs being uploaded all the time to the streaming services. And you can use your social media to get the word out there, and you can be on all these different things.

But it's harder to cut through all the noise now. Back then, it was expensive to record. It was expensive to get your music out there. We literally had to drive to a building in industrial park in downtown San Diego to pick up cassettes, go home, go to Kinko's, print up all the artwork for the cassettes, cut them out by hand, fold them all up with my mom and my sister, my stepdad and bandmates on our living room floor and drive them around to every single record store in San Diego, just to get music in stores that hopefully people

would maybe see us at a show and buy our demo and it was five bucks. So that was a lot of work back then and you had to flyer. And if we had a show, like Tom used to go to his high school and stuff flyers for a band show in his friend's lockers and hand them to people at lunchtime and I would flyer my colleges and we would go to record stores and put flyers everywhere. And so it was a lot of physical work and movement to get the word out. But once you got played on like MTV or you got played on a radio station in Los Angeles called K-Rock or K-Rock New York,

there are a few like once you reach that barrier, then it really got the word out. Yeah. Yeah. And in the TRL era, when the All the Small Things video came out, that was, it felt like a moment because like we were going through the boy band era at the time, and then this comes out and it's like giving kind of like a fuck you to the boy bands. But it was funny. It was like a funny joke. But I read an excerpt from the book that you didn't know anything about the boy band music videos while you were filming that video. And so while you were doing that, it was like you, you were like, are fans going to like this? I didn't like it. I thought it was a terrible idea. I was like, when they pitched the idea and they were like, we're gonna do spoofs

of Backstreet Boys, Britney Spears, Christina Aguilera, 98 Degrees, NSYNC, I was like, okay. And we were filming it. I'm like, this isn't funny. I don't understand what we're spoofing. I don't know these videos. And I went to like bandmates, management, label.

This isn't funny. I don't back this idea at all. I'm gonna go on record and say, I think this is gonna be a horrible video. And I was to like bandmates management label. This isn't funny. I don't back this idea at all. I'm going to go on record and say, I think this is going to be a horrible video. And I was wrong as shit. Yeah, very wrong. It was an awesome video. Can we just get naked again? Can we just like run around in our pants or do something stupid?

But yeah, that video was genius. And I think it was the right time in TRL. I think that people, because like the pop thing had grown so exponentially, it was so big and it was everywhere and it was ubiquitous, just you know pop stars and pop videos and very manufactured safe stuff and kind of you know Green Day had already come and kind of kicked the door open and then Blink was poppy enough that we were accessible but not so punk that we were like you know off- punk that we were off putting to people. And we kind of just slid perfectly into this change

between pop music and what was taking over at that time, which was punk rock and new metal, and a lot more edgier distorted guitars, heavy drums. I think people were ready to kind of go off a little harder, laugh a little, and be a little more edgy. Yeah, you had an absolute heater too with album titles. So you had Dude Ranch, which by the way, is Dude Ranch, is that cum?

No, but I don't, when I said Dude Ranch, I just thought it was a funny thing, but I don't know if Tom this whole time thought, oh my God, that's cum, but maybe he does. It wasn't my intent when I suggested the title, but I think it's a great joke. And then Enema of the State was something that Tom came up with and was genius from day one.

There's even video somewhere of Tom talking to the camera, we're shooting photos for the cover of the album. And he's talking about how he's so great, he wants to become a model for Enema's. Enema, and he goes, of the state. Enema of the state. He goes, ha ha, that's funny. Hey, Mark. And you can see the moment where Enema of the state came about.

Then take off your pants and jacket. I think it's just genius. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's- It was so good that you were like, I don't know that we can, let's just next album, self-titled.

Yeah, self-titled, exactly. Next album, we're like, we're not gonna try and do it. But at that point, we were like, we're a serious rock band now. We, self-titled. Exactly. Next album. We're like, we're not going to try and do it. But at that point we were like, we're serious rock band now we're going to make an art rock album and we don't want to have a joke thing at all. Like we want to stand on our own two feet and not have it be a joke thing. And so we did the untitled record, which was a lot more serious and a lot more introspective and kind of where we

were at that point. Yeah. Yeah. In that course of, of your albums in like the creative process, did you, were you guys ever feeling pressure from, cause we've heard a million stories of, you know, the record execs and trying to fit you guys in a box. Were you able to stave that off and be yourself? Totally. We were very lucky in that in the beginning, the labels didn't care enough about us to come down and put any pressure on us. They were, you know, they were like, yeah, just go do your thing and we'll put it out and kind of just left us on our on our own. And then by the time we did that with Dude Ranch and Enemo the state,

then when we did the Untitled record, we recorded that mostly in San Diego. And most of the label people like, I'm not going to drive down to San Diego. No way. Like, I'm not leaving LA and driving all the way down to San Diego to listen to what these dudes are doing. And so we've always been really autonomous and basically at the end just turned in our record and said, there you go. That's awesome. That's great. And when Enema comes out, obviously you make the switch to Travis on the drums, who I think is one of the best rock drummers of all time. Just an incredible musician. Maybe the best songwriting drummer of all time. Yeah. When you think of how he breaks down songs, did that put any pressure on you

to up your game as a songwriter to be like, this guy's way fucking better as an instrument than anybody I've ever played with. I got to step it up. Yes, entirely. When Travis joined the band, the whole, everything leveled up. Like, you know, I felt pressured to be a better songwriter. I know Tom felt the same. Travis would come in and, you know, Tom and I would present these ideas that were like, you know,

really straightforward punk rock songs, whatever. And Travis would be like, what if I played this beat on top of it? And then you're like, oh, shit, that takes the song to a totally different place. And then we'd build on that. So Travis joining the band brought in elements that we had never really incorporated into our band before because Travis came in with all these different musical influences. He grew up listening to punk rock, but he also grew up like a metalhead and he grew up playing in drum line. He grew up listening to hip hop and rap music. He brought in all these different styles to Blink that really creatively inspired me and Tom to bust out of our, we're a punk

rock band. And no, we're not just a punk rock band. We're a rock band with all these different cool influences. Yeah. Yeah. Is there an alternate universe where Travis is just the best ska drummer of all time? If you've ever given him the call from the Aquabats? He was a great drummer in Aquabats. He was killing it. When we watched Travis with Aquabats and we're on tour, Blink 18182 and Aquabats were on tour together and that's when we met Travis, he was doing stuff in a ska band that you're like, that is way beyond what a ska band should be doing.

Yeah. Yeah. Incredible drummer. And yeah, you guys have had such an incredible career. Is it harder to write pop punk songs as you get older? Because so much of what you started with in your catalog is like teenage angst, right? Like you're not getting laid, you're pissed off at your parents, that sort of thing. Is it harder to write that type of music getting older and dealing with different problems?

Sometimes. What really it is, is you think about like, you know, for me, I think back to moments that I was upset or inspired or in love or felt angry about something and extrapolate that. And I'm not trying to write songs about like, I'm angry at my parents, and chicks won't talk to me about things like that. I'm more writing about songs from memories of my life or things that I see in the world or things that I see happen in my friends. And I think it would be disingenuous for me to be like, you know, writing about high school stuff, unless it was something that I remembered from my high school

and was writing it in that frame of mind. But I'm not trying to be like, yeah, fuck you, mom. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Although like after you write Family Reunion, are you like, maybe we've peaked as a band. This is a great song. Yeah, that was pretty rad.

And in fact, when we recorded Take Off Your Pants and Jacket, we were like in, we were in full reaction against Enema of the State where we were on TRL and it was poppy and it was fun and it was bright and it was all these, you know, fun time summer things. And we went in and we're like, we're wearing all black everything. We are fugazi. We are punk rock.

We are post emo, post hardcore, like no more joke shit. The label came in to hear the record when we were done. And what we did is we played them the three joke songs, which was when you fuck grandpa, a song about Tom having sex with a dog. And I forget what the third one is right now, Mother's Day, which is like, you know, a song about Mother's Day being a celebration of having sex with your mom. And we played them those three songs

as if those were the record. What was the reaction? Really concerned looks between the label president and the head of A and R because we were like, yeah, this is what we want to do. Like we want to take it to a different level. And then we played them those three songs. And so, yeah, that's great. All right, so I read when you were battling cancer, you did the thing that I am always so nervous about because I share, on Instagram, I share pictures of my kids to just my friends. You shared that you had cancer to everyone

accidentally on your Instagram story. Yeah. That had to have been, I mean, you already were battling cancer, then on top of, what that had to have been? I mean you already were battling cancer then on top of that that had to have been like oh fuck This sucks really bad moment. Yeah, I had intentionally not been public about my cancer diagnosis I had told my friends and I had started chemo and I was on my third round of chemo And I accidentally posted it and I was trying to like, put a picture of me starting chemo, round one, let's go to just my friends to be like, let's go and be positive and whatever, make a joke out of it. And so round three, I posted a picture of myself

saying, yes, one cancer treatment, please. Well, I'm hooked up to my IV and they had just given me my Benadryl, which makes me tired. And so I took the picture and I posted it and I started feeling groggy. And two minutes later, my manager, April calls up and was like, did you mean to post that on Maine? And I was falling asleep and I was drugged out of my brain and my last thought was, oh fuck. And I woke up a couple hours later, deep into chemotherapy

and looked at my phone again, all these people texting, people calling, people all, and by the time I was done with my treatment that day, which probably took whatever four to six hours, and I was driving home, I felt like hell, my body was full of all these toxic poisons, burning all the cancer out of my body, and the publicist is like, you have to make a statement.

People like radio stations are running with this, and so we pulled over to the side of the road, and I typed on my phone something, my wife was driving and I typed out something, you know, I have cancer. I'm very lucky to have great doctors and family and friends to support me. And I'm, you know, hope for the best. Yeah. That's, that's brutal. Yeah. Go, keep going. Sorry. And so, yeah, I re I wrote that and I texted it to our friend, Lisa warden, Warden who runs, you know, who ran K-Rock Los Angeles and now runs 98.7 in Los Angeles. And she read my statement over the air immediately and we're still on the side of the road. And I'm still full of drive and it felt like I was Tom Sawyer at his own funeral when he

sneaks back into his own funeral and he's hiding in the rafters and looking at what people think about when they think that he had passed. And it was really surreal. And it was like, oh shit, everybody knows I'm sick now. And I didn't expect the outpouring of love and support that I got from the world. I thought people would be more like, ha ha, finally, you got yours, you son of a bitch. How are you feeling now? You feel healthy? I feel really healthy. I really have to work hard at staying healthy. And I go to the gym five days a week and I'm working out with weights and I eat right and I stop

drinking and like all this stuff. So I'm in a really good spot. The only part that is lagging at all is my brain fog hits from time to time. And when that happens, it sucks. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I'm glad you're feeling so much better. I got a question for you about uh about the relationship with Tom obviously thick and thin ups and downs. Did you ever think that like the one of the first times you guys broke up when it's like Tom is really into going off and finding aliens somewhere? Did you ever think that that reunion would end with you being like

Tom you were kind of low low key right about finding aliens. Everything you've been doing. Yeah. My bad. I've asked him that before. I've been like, you know, hey, you're kind of right. And he's like, I know. But Tom has so many takes on so many different things, especially aliens. Like he told me at one point in the same conversation that he just, he'll just start talking and he rambles and he can't stop and he'll talk to you or at you for half an hour. And in the same conversation, he said, we never landed on the moon. That was a hoax perpetuated from a studio in Burbank.

And the reason that Kennedy was shot was because he found out when we landed on the moon that there were secret alien glass castles on the dark side of the moon. So I'm like, well, which is it? Did we go to the moon or do we not go to the moon? And then he kind of thinks and he goes, exactly. He gotcha. Yeah. So if you come up with enough takes, eventually something is going to be right. That's the premise of this entire show. Yeah. There you go. Yeah. We just throw enough things at the wall that every now and then we're

going to be like, told you guys. Totally. You're like Aaron Rogers is going to come back and win a win and win, you come back and win the Lombardi. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. I could see Aaron Rodgers and Tom getting along real well. Oh, totally. Yeah, totally. Tom, for fun, for a long time would go and he would buy military-grade night vision goggles and he would go on missions, go camping to try and find Bigfoot. That's awesome. That's yeah. That sounds like a fun guy to hang out with. Yeah. Totally. Tom rules. He's awesome. And I love that he chases whatever, like whatever it is that he wants to do. He's

going to go do it. When you guys, when you guys had your period where you weren't talking and then you get back together, I know you said like once you're in person, you can pick right back up. But was it, was it difficult? I mean, thinking like your best friend in the whole world, you don't talk to him for four years. Uh, that's, that's gotta be hard. It also has to be a little sad. Like the, even, even looking back now being like, I missed four years of your life. Yeah, totally. It sucks. It was, it was painful. It was, uh, I felt like I had lost not only my band, but my best friend and my sense of self.

And what was I if I wasn't Mark from Blink 182? I'm just Mark Hoppus, some dude that was in a band or what am I or who should I be? Or, you know, like my creative partner was gone. My band was gone. My sense of self, everything, it sucked. Yeah. Who texted first?

Tom called, the first time Tom called me out of the blue and I looked at my phone and it was a San Diego number, and I'm like, huh, and he answered the phone, it was Tom. I was like, hello, and he goes, hey, it's Tom. And I like, oh shit. And I walked outside and like, how you doing, dude? And he's like, I'm good, how are you? And I'm like, I'm good.

And it was kind of like we picked right back up from four years ago, but not an argument sake. Like we didn't be like, you know what? You suck at whatever, but we had a really great conversation. How are you in your life? Where are you? Just like family, kids, mental health, that kind of stuff. And then he goes, so what have you learned over the past four years? Whoa. And I was like, and then we had a really great heart to heart about what each of us had learned over the past four years. And it was really like instantly wholesome and great and fulfilling.

And like, I felt like, like the floodgates open and I felt all this like love and opportunity and then, I don't know, life come back into me. Yeah, that's really cool. And the first time you guys get, get back into songwriting mode together, what's that like? Are you guys doing it like you're writing together or you come with ideas? You sit down. So the first time we got back together on Neighborhoods,

Tom had an idea for a song that became Up All Night. And it was great from the beginning, but writing songs after having been so adversarial and so like the band broke down and everything else. When we first started writing songs, we were very cautious with one another, very tender with one another's feelings, very like, you know, let's not accidentally knock out this flame that we have going. And bands, especially for Blink, like we need to be able to say that's a great idea, but

I don't like this section or this could be better or what it like, you don't want to just be like, oh yeah, that's great. Oh yeah, totally, that's good. Oh yeah, you know, so you need to be able to push back on stuff. And that took us a while to get to that point where we could say like, I understand what you're going for, but let's do it this way, or I think we could do it different,

or I don't like that idea. Yeah. Yeah, I'm always interested too, to know how you come up with the order for songs on an album, like the track listing. Love it. Because I feel like you got to tell a story, right? Yeah, it's like a set. We still very consciously think of how one song goes into the next song

as if you're listening to an album. I did the sequencing for Any Mother State and Take Every Pants and Jacket. We all did it for The Untitled record. Travis really led the charge on One More Time. And it's a very important thing. You're trying to tell a story. You're trying to, you know, start strong and, you know, have highs and lows and emotional, like songs that are similar can't be next to one another on the record. Songs that are in the same key maybe don't align necessarily on one song going into the next. So that's something we take a lot of time and care doing. And so the trilogy of anthems that you have, Anthem, Anthem Part 2, Anthem Part 3, how do you know when you're writing a song like this could be an anthem? We should name this

one Anthem. Those are all Tom songs that start with Tom. And he wrote Anthem. And it was an awesome song. And then we were writing Anthem 2, we were like, well, this kind of has the same vibe as that and kind of with Anthem 3. And Anthem part 3 on One More Time, I think, just really shows how genius Tom is as a songwriter. Like, I listened to that song, you know, we've been performing that song for a year. We've known, we've had that song in our lives for probably a year and a half, maybe even two years at this point. And when we play it on stage, it still gives me goosebumps because Thomas such a great songwriter. It's so like the guitars are soaring and when he's singing

it, you're like it's coming from his soul. Yeah. Yeah. Um, all right. So Mark, I have, I have one last question. I know PFT probably has the last question as well. Uh, my last question, the row back question, R H O B A C K.com promo code take 20% off your first purchase Q-zips, polos, hoodies, joggers, shorts, promo code take.% off your first purchase q-zips polos hoodies joggers shorts promo code take so your book Fahrenheit 182 the cover by the way, I meant to mention I just whenever you put like pink or some type of neon on the cover I instantly like oh, I gotta read this book. You just want by you're like that was really smart that that work you interesting story about the book cover is during the pandemic, I started Twitch streaming

and I opened up a Discord. And on the Discord, I was talking with people and fans and whatever, and we kind of built this rad community. And one of the people in the Discord is this woman named Joe who just happened to be a book designer. And so when it came, like literally she designs the covers of books. And so when I decided to write a book designer. And so when it came, like literally she designs the covers

of books. And so when I decided to write a book, I hit her up and she's like, I would love to do your book cover. And so that's the product of it. She's, she knocked it out of the park. All due respect. She did. So, all right. So obviously people who are huge fans of Blink, huge fans of yours are going to buy this book. What do you, what do you think they're going to find out about you in this book that they might not have realized when reading about your whole life? I think that people are going to discover that I'm smarter than people think that I am and that also I'm a lot darker than people think that I am. Oh, okay. That's a good combo. Smarter is always being a little bit smarter than people think you are.

That's also the premise of this show. We want people to think we're idiots and we are idiots for the most part, but it is good to do it that way. It's, it's bad to go the opposite way and just be like, Oh, you're, you're actually dumber than I thought. Totally. In what way darker do you think? I think that I've, I deal with anxiety and depression a lot more than people think that I do and a lot more than I allow people to think that I do. But I'm very honest in the book about my struggles

and about my shortcomings and the difficulties that I've had. And I think that will surprise people because I think most of the time people think of Blink-182 as fun, brotherhood, youth, parties, go have a great time. And then they'll read this and be like, whoa, okay. So this dude really is Goth in his soul.

Yeah, I watched some of your Twitch streams and some of the content you started putting out over the pandemic. You love collabing with people. You love working with musicians. I love that process. I love creativity. I love people bringing an idea and me working on it

or me presenting an idea to somebody and them making it better. When you write a song and you're driving home from a studio and you put on, you know, it used to be, it would be on cassette and you'd put the cassette in and you're like, holy shit, I'm listening to a song that I love that didn't exist two days ago.

There's no feeling like that in the world. Yeah. It's pretty cool. No, I've appreciated what you've done. What's your going rate for a Mark Hoppus feature? What do they have to send you? I think it's 10 grand. 10 grand?

But it's also free. I mean, I don't do anything for money and I don't do anything unless I like the song or I like the people or I believe in it. Like I'm not for sale, but it would be 10 grand. Well, I just, I like the song featuring Mark Hoppus that they wrote. Oh yeah. And then you're like, fuck it, I'll jump on this track.

Yeah. I should, but I'm not on that track. What was that band that did featuring Mark Hoppus? Oh shit, I forget the name of that band. Yeah, but it's a great song and I love it. And I thought it was really clever that they used my name as like a, I don't know, a meme, like a meme grab. I think it's really awesome the way that bands now,

they'll make shorter songs. They'll do a song that's two minutes long. Hot Mulligan was the name of the band, by the way. They'll like write two minute songs that are so hooky that you go back and listen to it a second time because then they'll get two streams. So rather than write a four minute song, bands will write a two minute great song that you'll just listen to twice. Yeah. Yes. Really smart. Yeah. So I've got a band here at Barstool Sports. We're called Pup Punk and we're a pop punk band, but we're like also a parody of pop punk bands. Like we've got a song, My Real Girlfriend, which is about obviously fake girlfriend. We've got a song called Peeked in High School we just recorded. I'm going

to send you, I'm going to send you through your literary agent. I'm going to send you Peeked in High School. And if you like it, just say just record yourself saying peaked in high school. And I'm just going to use that in the track is featuring Mark. Or if you just want to say peaked in high school right now, I'll just grab this audio peaked in high school. Okay, there you go. peaked in high school featuring Mark. Jerry O'Connell is going to pay the guy pe picked in high school.

I love it. Well, Mark, thank you so much. We appreciate you joining us. Good luck with the book tour. When you're in Chicago, we'd love to have you come by. I'll be there. Also, I saw you sold your Banksy. Were you just tired of telling everyone that you had a Banksy? You know what? Honestly, when we bought the Banksy, it was, I loved it and it changed our lives forever. Like we love that painting so much. But it became worth so much money that it started to feel, and then we ended

up putting it in storage for its own protection. And then like, I didn't want a painting to sit in a box somewhere. And it started to feel like we were talking about Banksy, like we owned a Banksy. It started to feel like ego and I didn't like that. Okay. And you gave it to, you gave it to a good cause. I just know that if I had a Banksy, I would tell everyone that I had a Banksy. I think that's why you get a Banksy. It'd be the first thing out of my mouth. Totally. Yeah. No, I was super proud of it. And then it became worth so much that I was like, Oh,

now I sound like a snob and I don't like that. Yeah. I have a Banksy. It's not here right now. Yeah, totally. It's in storage, but it's cool. Trust me, it rocks. All right. Well, thank you so much, Mark. Everyone go buy Fahrenheit 182 and thanks so much, man. This was so much fun. All right, well thank you so much, Mark. Everyone go buy Fahrenheit 182, and thanks so much, man. This was so much fun. All right, see you soon. Part of my take is sponsored by BetterHelp.

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Rare to have him be in the Monday reading because usually the Monday reading is something crazy. Well actually you know what? This is crazy. So here it is. Usually Florio is spot on. Yeah. This is the best fan fiction he's ever done.

This is where Florio is like we're in the spot of the calendar where he because I think he does take a vacation after Like mini camps. Yeah before training camps. It's a you know what it is This is not vacation time and it's still low because we're not at the draft It's an exercise in creative writing creative writing Bengals Bears could in theory come together and pay for a stadium in Chicago, New York Okay, New Jersey has two teams. Los Angeles has two.

If London ever has one, it will likely have two. What about Chicago? The market currently supports two teams in the sport that used to be America's pastime. Nice dig there. Real nice dig. People forget that boxing, baseball, horse racing, that was the big three.

And with the Bears getting nowhere when it comes to finagling taxpayer funding for a new stadium, the solution could come from having a second team play there. Instantly, the inventory of games would double from 10 to 20. Math checks out. Yep. It becomes much easier for the Bears and possibly the other team, unless it's just a tenant to pay for the building with minimal public assistance. That was also kind of mean that he said 10 to 20, not counting playoffs. Yeah. Also, they can pay for these stadiums.

They just choose not to. The billionaires? Yeah. They could, I mean, they could probably, the McCaskys are poor, but they could sell the team to someone who could pay for the stadium. Enter the Bengals. They're less than three months away from the final countdown to the expiration of their lease at Paycore Stadium.

During the league meetings this week, executive VP Katie Blackburn said the quiet thing out loud, after 2025, the Bengals can go wherever they want to go. It's easy to come up with a list of cities that currently have no NFL teams with the best outcome for the Bengals and the Bears could be to partner up in a new Chicagoland Stadium. I disagree. That is not the best outcome for the Bengals. No, not at all. Not even close. It's far from the best. They shouldn't move. There should be a rule saying that teams should not be allowed to move just because their owner doesn't want to pay for a new stadium. That's, that's part of the price of owning a team. And guess what? When you get a new stadium, your team is worth a lot more money

and you'll end up making money on. Also like like, this is sound stupid, but like AFC south or sorry, south, west, NFC south, NFC west, AFC south, AFC west. I could somehow see it moving. Maybe that's cause they have like the north and the east. You can't move those. You can't change the NFC north. Although the Browns, but yeah The no you can't the the packers bears

You can't change you can't move cincinnati like that's the aFC north, right? That's football right, but i'm saying like why couldn't they still be the aFC north they could but like if they're if they're in I don't know Like if they're in san diego the san diego bang know, like if they're in San Diego, the San Diego Bengals in the FC North. No, they can't. They can't. Oh, I was saying if they're staying in Chicago.

Oh yeah. But I'm saying like they, I just don't, I do not believe that those teams can move again. The Browns I know moved, but yeah. So what are the other cities that people are throwing up? Because for a while Las Vegas was a very important city because every team would threaten to move to Las Vegas. Yeah. Cause it was open. So now it's my guess is probably San Diego. Probably used to have, they used to have one. They failed. St. Louis is always out there. St. Louis is out there. They got

the battle Hawks though. All right. So and then San Antonio Orlando Toronto you know no Toronto actually you could stay in the FC North not too close to the bills and it's also Canadian yeah those are Bills fans yeah okay back to his article so not the best outcome we all agree Bengals should stay in Cincinnati the chances of this actually happening are low not low enough for Florida to write the story is I'm just putting myself in Floria's head here is the whole genesis of this article. Like this is kind of weird. They're spending money on people. They have to have some plan to make more money, like an obscene amount more money. Yeah. Since they're giving contracts

to their own players. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's probably he thought about that too hard. And then he's like, they're probably planning on moving. I also think he's just a master at writing like any any type of fan fiction where it's like, it's not going to happen, but it could conceivably happen. So I'm going to write about it knowing people click on it. He's great. Yeah. Just put in theory. Yeah. In theory. Oh, Floreo should write a blog. Maybe you should get back on your on your blog game for one return once PFT and maybe in theory the NFL Could create a Coliseum where all the teams play and also wild animals. Yeah Yeah, bring back Rome on Sunday. They just go back to back to back to back to back like the the Bears

On Sunday, they just go back to back to back to back to back. Like the the bears actually take on the bangles except it's the animals. Right. The chances of this actually happening are low. In theory, it's possible. It would make a lot of money. That was me reading the article. And with the political winds blowing more and more strongly against subsidies for football teams worth upwards of 10 billion and beyond, it might take brash creativity to solve the current stadium situation for the bears and the Bengals. Are the current political winds actually blowing that way? Cause I feel like we're still doing a thing where owners threaten to move and then they get more tax breaks from the city and then they stay. I think that's kind of what's been going on. I think in general, people are a lot more against paying tax money for these stadiums because the franchise costs are so insane. I agree, but it still happens. But it's more- We're like, this sucks, fuck you.

It's more than, I feel like 30 years ago, it was just like, oh yeah, stadium, that's a public good. Which brings me to a point I've been meaning to bring up with Max. The Eagles should play, they should pay tariffs on Jordan Milata. They should. Disagree.

That should cost Disagree. That should cost you more money. Where are the other boys? You guys, you got them in, you got them freaking out. I didn't freak them out, I just, I didn't know if they wanted to sit in the booth for 30 minutes left of the show. Get them in here. They're coming.

All right. Bengals and Bears. That would suck. Yeah, I don't think anybody would be happy with that. I, can I just, and we love Florio. Wait, why? What? Be cool.

Because the Bengals would move out of Cincinnati. I'm not for that. Yeah, they got a good fan base in Cincinnati. It'd be fun for Chicago. You're the problem with the world, man. You are the problem with the world. You're like, yeah, it'd be kind of cool to say we got two... You're completely discounting everybody in Cincinnati and Like northern Kentucky that loves the Bengals and you're like, yeah be kind of guy. I'd like it if they played in my backyard

Can I just throw and we love Florio and we do yeah. Yeah, you're the problem I feel like Florio didn't L'Oreal is the problem always He's your your point. He's the reason that that you would accept a new team that you don't care about Well, it's not me. I'm not like a Chicago fan or bangles fan, but like as someone lives in Chicago would be cool I can say that Think about traffic Where the stadium is so that's where that's where I I think floreo kind of missed the mark here. If he really was gonna do this article, I was expecting him to pick a random location

in the middle of Indiana and be like, this is equal distance between Cincinnati and Chicago. Both teams just drive two and a half hours. It's like a floating stadium in Lake Michigan. I wanted that, Florio. Cincinnati's like a little less than a five hour drive from Chicago, it should be like, yeah, here it is. This random town will now be the host of the Bengals and the Bears.

Hank, I kind of don't hate that idea. What? Move them both to Gary, Indiana. Get rid of all the traffic. That would be a little bit of a commute for the Bengals fans. They'd make the truck. You think so? They'd be like, yeah, we're gonna drive three hours

I don't know if that guy we're gonna half with the giant beer our state lines. I might be an issue, too. Yeah Okay, hey booth boys. I didn't I didn't want to scare you off I just you know also didn't want you have to sit in that hot booth next to max for 30 minutes Sorry, there was some confusion, but we're back. Oh, okay. His max threatened you over the course of the past weekend Yeah, watch the PM TV. It was very well done. It's been good. We just we can't have another flare up. That's right Yeah, right and you are his boss Really? Inside these walls like inside these walls when we sit with the mics on you are the president your everyone's boss

Fuck yeah. So anything you wanna do? Should I slap him? Yeah. No, no, no. Yeah. I would never, I would never. That's such an alpha move right there. No, no. Just making him think about it.

I thought you were a good guy. Max Oma had your side, Pug. At least I got one Max that has my back. Yeah. Just kidding. Okay, Pug, you I got one max that has my back. Yeah, just kidding. Okay, pug you you are the president So why don't you numbers? Why don't you decide first? I'll go with 99 three That's fucked up memes memes jumping around yeah, oh eight I was gonna pick a man if you 15 Yeah. Oh, eight. I was gonna pick. Oh man. If you 15

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