Pardon My Take - Coach Dick Vermeil, Mike Florio, CFB & Guys On Chicks

Episode Date: October 27, 2021

Week 7 is finally over after a terrible MNF game in Seattle (00:02:41 - 00:09:33). World Series Preview and predictions (00:09:33 - 00:18:08). CFB talk and is Clemson dead (00:18:08 - 00:27:36). Hot Seat/Cool Throne (00:27:36 - 00:46:19). Coach Dick Vermeil joins the show to talk about his incredible football career, Kurt Warner, Bill Walsh, and motivation (00:46:19 - 01:28:25). Mike Florio joins the show to talk about Tom Brady’s 600th football and who legally owns it (01:28:25 - 01:45:03). We finish with guys on chicksYou can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/PardonMyTake

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It's part of my take presented by Barstool Sports. Welcome to part of my take presented by BetterHelp.com slash PMT. Today is Wednesday, October 27th and I want to do a mental flush boys. I want to do a mental flush boys and girls of week seven get it out of our system. Boy, did that stink. Monday Night Football. I'm actually happy that Monday Night Football was as bad as it was because I didn't want them to be like, oh, week seven wasn't that bad.

We had the Dolphins and Falcons in this great Monday Night Football game. No, it sucked. We're moving on. That's the way it was. Geno Smith versus James Winston and Geno Smith with almost the greatest Josh Rosen stat line of all time where if you hadn't thrown the 84 yard touchdown to DK Metcalf, he would have been 11 for 21 for like 60 yards. Yeah, I think Marshawn Lynch put it best when he just said, what the fuck?

Yeah, that's how I felt watching the entire game. At the beginning, when they had that 84 yard touchdown past the DK, I was like, maybe the weather does affect the defense more than it affects the offense. Maybe we'll get some points. Turns out that was foolish for me to ever have believed that. Correct. So it was a boring ass game filled with shitty stuff that sucked. And on top of everything, Eli Manning had to apologize for Arno as Peyton had to apologize

for Marshawn Lynch cussing on the broadcast. That was the best part of the night. Yeah. When you invite Marshawn Lynch onto a broadcast, you're lucky if you get away with him just dropping shit three times and fuck once. He was three pennies deep. He's three pennies deep. And that's what you get when you invite Pat McPheon.

Do you expect that he's going to wear sleeves? Nope. Nope. Not at all. When you invite Rob Gronkowski on, are you like, hopefully Rob won't tell any whimsical stories? Nope. Nope.

I don't say that. Nope. This is what you get when you invite Beast Mode on the show. In fact, I would just like to watch Beast Mode be disappointed at shitty games for the rest of the season. Watch and be like, what the fuck are they doing out there? You mentioned weather, which has been a big topic on this show recently. We're a weather first podcast.

I did notice in the pregame, our good friend, Will Brinson, who is not really my good friend anymore because he keeps getting me to bed on NC State and they suck as a program. He noted that both James and Gino told Lisa Salters before the game they like the challenge of throwing in the rain and won't wear gloves tonight and Gino Smith even said he prefers a wet ball. James Winston's 0 for 5 lifetime, 6 touchdowns, 12 interceptions in rain games, Gino 0 for 1, 0 touchdowns, 3 interceptions. They still like throwing.

They like the confidence. They stink at it. The confidence was incredible for both of these guys and they, well, James was okay. Gino was. But you don't have to be good at something to really enjoy it. Yeah, that's true. In fact, most people who golf or fuck are terrible at both and they still really enjoy the recreation.

The Gino Smith that was that was actually it was it was illuminating for me because it was similar to like basically what everyone does when they watch the Bears or the Wisconsin Badgers play offense where it's like, oh, they don't they don't want the quarterback to do any type of throwing like there was that one drive where they ran it eight times in a row. Yeah. And then even in the last drive, I think that might have been the worst final drive of all time.

They went backwards. He almost got sacked for the point spread. It was it was so bad. I I bet that there would be a safety in that game. And I almost got it on the last play after it was like fourth and twenty eight Hank inspired me because he was taking a lot of safety bets on Sunday. So I took this one and I was like, surely they're not going to keep taking sacks on this drive.

I wish they did. Yeah, I wish they had given Gino 10 downs because I would have seen he would have been out of the stadium. They would have sacked him out of the state. We would have we would have erased Dan Orlowski's name from the record. Yes, based on how deep Gino Smith would have gotten on that last play. Like you got to throw the ball and the Saints really weren't doing that much. More passing.

Well, Alvin Kamaro is incredible. That was basically the only guy on the field. You're like, that guy plays football. The trap play that they called for him on like third and I forget what it was like third and 10 something like that on that last drive where they end up kicking the field goal. They called a running play and he ended up getting like 12 yards past the first down marker. It showed you that Sean Payton really didn't want to try passing the ball much either.

And Kevin White was electric. He was. Kevin White has. He is terrible. He he. Oh, whoa. He dropped our. Our beautiful boy.

James is deep ball. He's got. I was on a fucking dime. He's got two things that are working against him. Otherwise he's an elite receiver catching the football and staying on the field. Take those out. He's one of the best receivers of all time. He's the Ben Simmons of wide receivers.

Those are important. I'll admit a hand up. I'll say like, you know what? Catching the football if you're a wide receiver important, but he does. The reason why James was throwing it to him is because the guy can get open. Yeah. James has added a couple new moves to his repertoire. I don't know if you've noticed this about our beautiful, like what would you call James?

He's we've we have a lot in the whole thing. We have a lot invested in James's success, but he's added a couple new moves. One is where he drops back in the pocket has a very clean pocket and they just points. Yeah. Downfield when he's about to throw. He looks like he's doing the Saturday Fever dance, the John Travolta. He just points and you know that something's about to go either very, very right or extremely wrong after that moment.

And then he just guns it. That's always right before he throws like a nice downfield pass. And then his running motion has gotten more erratic in the last year. I think it might be a result of the training. All of his muscles are firing too efficiently. He's he's almost like the bones, no bones dog. Sometimes he's running and he has no bones. I was saying that he's like when, when you see a NASCAR driver getting golfed by the

invisible flames when they're sprinting around Ricky Bobby, that's that's kind of what he looked. The ethanol fire. Is kind of James his body movement when he goes, but he did have maybe the play of the night when he dropped the snap. Yes. Picked it up again. Then through a tiny little hand.

It was tiny little hand through tomorrow open. It was adorable. Yep. It was. Yeah. It was a bad game. It was a bad game. Pete Carroll chomping on gum.

But I really am happy because we week seven was not fun, but it is still football. We got to remind ourselves it's still football week seven was one of the worst weeks. Start to finish because like remember, like we kind of forget the Browns and the. Broncos played that game that was not fun either on Thursday. Ugly. It was entire week of Browns Broncos. I feel like I watched that game 20 times just with different colors. Yeah.

The Falcons in the Dolphins played the best game. Yeah. That tells you everything. It was someone put it. I think they were calling it by Mageddon, which makes sense because all the good teams were on by next week or this week, eight week eight. We have some actually here's the thing about week eight at bare minimum. We have the Cowboys and the Vikings playing Sunday night football.

That's going to be some fuck shit. It will be some fuck shit. And also week eight is not the halfway part. Correct. We have an extra week this year. Yes. The season is still young. Yes, it is.

All right. Should we talk a little World Series? So this is probably the only show we will do where we're not going to recap a World Series game because we'll be here late on Sunday. And then if there's a game six, we'll be here late. So why don't we just do predictions so that way people can laugh at us and be perverted and be like, you guys are really stupid and you don't know anything about baseball. Let out that one Astros fan.

Let me read that. Let me do a quick Wednesday reading. Yeah, I like that one. This was an Astros fan. So at stake, let's just a guy that has like a million replies. Yeah. Let's just put it out there, though. At stake is the Astros and their fan base being able to basically tell everyone that

it wasn't cheating that got them the World Series. They're just a really good team. They basically they win two World Series if they win this world. Here's what's going to happen is Astros fans will very quickly become New England Patriots fans. They're not like rooting for the same team, but it's the same mentality, right? Like once you once you prove that it wasn't the accusations, I'm just saying this is what's going to happen.

It's going to prove to them that like, fuck all the haters. It's us against the world. They actually cheated. Yeah. But they will get to that. Yeah. But they they are able to what I'm saying, though, is that if they win this one, they win two because everyone's kind of put an asterisk around the first one.

If they win this one, they can say, well, we were the best team on the first one as well. They still lost to the Nationals. So this was the 2021 MLB champs at 2021 MLB champs. He said, y'all might want to sit out the World Series. Y'all are a football podcast. Y'all don't have a clue what y'all are talking about when it comes to the current game of baseball Astros fixing to dominate the Braves improve.

We're just an actual good team. So that's what that's what they're fighting against. And then we just got yelled to death. We got yelled to death because the guy when he's writing this, he's like, these guys are based out of New York City. Yeah. City slicks. He's like, I'm a drop.

I'm a drop for y'alls on them. What was that old commercial? New York City. Yeah. There's a pace, thick and chunky salsa. Yeah. From St. Antone. Yeah.

Folks who know what salsa should taste like. On the other side, we have the Braves, a tortured city, a sports city trying to beat all curses and everything alike. I am very much rooting for the Braves. Braves fans are mad because I said Braves in six and they're like, you jinxed it. Well, guess what? I mean, like I said, you guys are already jinxed to begin with. So there's what else can I do?

There's nothing. I'm not adding any more jinxes to an already jinxed city. I am rooting for the Braves. I hope they win it all. Yeah. I don't know what, what the city of Atlanta can do to get rid of the jinx. It's been in place since 1996, since they got the, since they got the Olympic Games. They sold their soul for that one.

Nothing's gone right after that. I don't just take your name out of the hat for the next Olympic consideration. Just be like, hey, we're not, we're done with the Olympics, but I am, I'm also rooting for the Braves. I think Braves in seven. Okay. I think it's going to go the distance. I'm mostly just rooting for Big T because he's, it's just, it's fun to see him giggle

with delight. Yeah. Um, I, so I had this thought and this is, this is, I'm doing this for Atlanta. Nothing can be worse than the thought I had this morning. Saturday would be game four, a Braves getting swept in the world series and then Georgia getting upset by Florida and Jacksonville. So there you go. That could be that.

That's rock bottom. We build up from there. You know what we had that thought pop in my head. I was like, Oh, that's ugly. You got a bargain. If you're, if you're an Atlanta sports fan, you have to enter a bargain right now and say, tell us, which one are you willing to give up? Are you willing to give up the Georgia undefeated season or are you willing to give up the

Atlanta Braves world series? Cause I don't think that there's any chance in hell that they can get both, right? Maybe it just, it can't, it can't happen with the planet aligning. I don't yet, you have to prioritize in this circumstance. I think they'd probably say the Braves winning. I think that's where most Atlanta. Yeah. I don't know.

College football fans are crazy. Any other predictions? Anyone got their, let's all go on the record here. Hank. Braves and seven. Okay. Braves and five. Oh no.

Billy. No. Acunia too. It's just crazy. Yeah. Face of baseball. Yeah. He's not playing.

He hasn't been playing for a long time. He's been injured all year. Houston and seven. Wow. That is, that's Hank's Saber metrics. I actually agree. Now I agree with World Series 2021 champions. Yeah.

Hank, y'all don't know what you're talking about. Hank doesn't care when he gets the information as long as he gets the information in time. Okay. I don't like it, but Astros and six. Oh, okay. Are you trying to win that or lose it? I don't want it to happen, but I think it's going to happen. So are you trying to lose it?

To win it. No, he's trying to win it, but he's with much reluctance. Exactly. He doesn't want to win it. No, but you should try to lose that. You'd rather it lose. Exactly. So you're trying to lose it.

No, but because when Billy chooses a game that he's trying to lose, he actually just lies and said, Hey, I like the over on this game, but in reality, he really likes the under God. And this one, he really does think that the Astros are going to win the World Series, but he, he, he regrets feeling that way. He's ashamed. I don't want to be right cheaters. Yeah.

Don't be ashamed. Okay. So yeah, I, I, I hope the, I hope the Braves can do it. I'm sure also you have fucking Astros. Fuck the Astros, man. They're not likable. I mean, Altuve is kind of like a baker a little bit. Yeah.

Dusty. Dusty. I just like a short thing with Dusty on the cubs and he's old. Were you rooting for Dusty to, to not be successful? No, for a little bit. It was a little like, Hey dude, like you kind of, whatever. I didn't think that he did anything like, wow. He kind of pitched Mark prior and Carrie Wood.

Yeah. Kind of sent them out to pass a little bit. Yeah. Yeah. But he's a nice guy. He's a baseball lifer. He's a baseball man. I'm rooting for him.

I'm rooting for Dusty Baker a little bit, but yeah, you got to, you got to pull for the Bravos here. Yeah. I'm also taking the under. Of the series? This game tonight. Oh, got it. It's cloudy, chance of rain.

Under eight? Yeah. Oh wow. So, so okay. Has there ever been trolling? When was the last time there was scored a gummy in the World Series? Is there a baseball scored gummies? Probably not.

There's too many games. I don't know. There's gotta be scored gummies. It would be so rare. It would be like 25 to two or something. No, that's happened. That happened. The Rangers and the Orioles had 30 to three ones.

Yeah, that's right. Can you try to find the most likely score a gummy in baseball? We also have, this is Wilde's storyline in the World Series. Oh yeah, I saw this. Brian Snicker, manager of the Braves and the Astros, his son is the hitting coach. That's Wilde. That's Wilde. Buddy Bayheim, quote, tweeted Wilde from the video yesterday, by the way.

So who are they rooting for? Who's the wife rooting for, yeah. The mom. It's a house divided shirt, right? Damn. I think you root for your son. Over your husband. I don't know.

I think you do. I think mom's root. I think mom's root for kids. Yeah. They're rooting for a seven game series. Yeah. If you pulled 100 moms, they'd all root for their kids first. I think most dads root for the moms.

But most dads, most dads root for the moms, most wives root for the sons, if that were the case. If it were like if the mom was a hitting coach and then the son was also a different coach. Got it. The mother's doctor. Yeah, the mother's doctor. Yeah. My household, I would, I would, I would be, yeah, I wouldn't get root for.

No one would be rooting for me. No chance. No chance. I mean, I understand it. You root for, yeah. Kids, come on. I don't need, yeah. Your kids do well.

Would you be rooting for your kid? You want a woman rooting for you? Pause. You want, no. Yeah. Your kids are like, your kids getting all their dreams come true. So it's a win and win, basically. Yeah, it is.

I think if you had to like pull, I think parents will always root for their kids first. I think a more fair question here is like, is the dad rooting for his son? That's what I'm saying. Like, let's say he's a baseball liker. Oh, no. The dad's not rooting for his son. That's what I'm asking. No, no, no, no, no.

Not even a little bit? No. You wouldn't even be rooting a little bit? No, I think that's more of a, when all is said and done, then you can be like, hey, that's cool that you got it. I'm proud of you, but. Fuck that. Yeah.

No. All right. I would like try to food poison my son. I found score, Gommie. Yeah. Let's hear it. Up to 2017, this website. The most realistic is 1814.

Okay. So that's what we're rooting for. 23-0, 21, 23-1. 1814. 1814 is real. That's what I got my mind on. That would be fun. That would be a lot of fun.

Yep. I can't believe that's never happened. Wow. Yeah. That's fun. Crazy. That's wild and crazy. Yeah.

All right. Little college football. Clemson is officially, is the dynasty over? Clemson is dead. Is the dynasty, is Dabo, is the dynasty done? I think Dabo was a system coach. He can't do it without an elite court. He can't do it without Deshaun Watson or Trevor Lawrence.

That's what it looks like to me. DJ ukulele is not the guy. Although he could be the guy. I'm not going to give up on him. I'm, I'm a big like, I mean, it's, it's very similar to the Kevin White discussion. It's, I'm a big five star. If you're a five star, you're a five star for life. Also, he played really well when he was a backup.

When he got, Not her name. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So he had a good offensive line and good receivers. Very intimidated by the best. So, uh, yeah, I'm still rooting for DJ, but I, I don't know Clemson dynasty over dynasty

over put a stake in the heart. I also, uh, would love to have someone, maybe a graphic designer make me a poster of the nine over times that we saw in happy valley. Cause that was one of the worst games slash hilarious games that deserve to be a bowl game like that we watched. Yeah. I don't know, I don't know if it's a zip or the red box bowl, but, uh, nine over times, the two point conversion fest, where they have to walk back and forth down the other

side of the field, including, uh, sit Kowski, the Illinois quarterback getting hurt halfway through breaking his arm and listen, it probably sucks. It sucks that you break your arm. They like attended to him on the field. So there was like a 10 minute delay. He couldn't walk. He didn't walk off the field. It was a absolute train wreck.

But yeah, the, the play by play where it's just two point conversion attempt fail, two point conversion attempt fail, two point conversion attempt fail over and over. Oh, beautiful big 10 football feeling. I just wanted to get out of there and get some dinner at that point. How hungry would you be on the sideline? So you don't, you don't account for that. Even the hungriest man doesn't eat enough hot dogs at halftime. Yeah.

Through all those over times. I don't like, I don't like this overtime thing. I don't like it. It's stupid. It's dumb. And here's the best part too. So he under hit. He under hit easily.

Sikowski, uh, he went eight, he's a winning quarterback. He went eight for nine, 38 yards in one interception, winning quarterback. And then, uh, I, what's the name? Brandon Peters, I want to say came in and because it's two point conversion attempts, he, he won the game for Illinois, but his stats don't show up. Yeah. Because it doesn't, it doesn't count on the final thing. Yeah.

So he never exists easy. He, he like ghost rode the wind. Yeah. So you could have gotten like, if you're running back hypothetically and you had scored a bunch of two point conversions and over time, that would have, could possibly add up to, I don't know, like 16 more yards on your total for the day. Nope. Nope.

Doesn't count. How should we have the conversation? Is James Franklin distracted by all the money that he's about to get paid? Well, because he hired a new agent. And in my experience, you don't really hire a new agent if you're happy with how much money you're making. Funny. Because he actually came out today and he said, future with Penn State, not a distraction

to the team. Okay. Good. So now here we go. Okay. Well, I dismissed. I feel dumb for even asking. He already said.

No, I'm, I'm wrong. I'm wrong. He said he's focused on Illinois. Oh. Okay. That's not who they're playing this way. Well, he should probably. They're playing Ohio State.

We're just focused on Illinois. Yes. Playing Ohio State. Yeah. Yeah. He's just watching a lot of film. No. He said we're on to Illinois.

Yeah. Well, he might think the overtime is still going on. Exactly. So I don't know if you guys heard this though. He said he's not distracted. Yeah. He said he's not distracted. So you know that a college coach, their word is their bond.

I believe. They'd never lie about anything. I believe James Franklin. Me too. Just Penn State coaches. I think it was. Believe all college coaches. Yeah.

We should start the movement. Yeah. It's actually sad how little trust we have in these guys. Jimbo Fisher. He's happy and never leaving Texas A&M. Yep. Believe all coaches. Lane Kiffin.

He's going to miss for life. He's Ole Miss for life. I do have a quick update on our new color schemes. I do feel like we are just heading directly into, oh, this season's awesome. This season's chaos. And it's going to be Georgia, Alabama, Oklahoma, and Ohio State somehow. And Cincinnati's going to get left out. I thought I felt like Cincinnati.

They had to beat Navy right more than seven. Yeah. That was, I actually thought that Navy could have won. Yeah. They had the ball down seven. And just because, like, if you're playing against one of the service academy teams, that's the game that can go sideways real fast if you haven't been able to prepare right for it because they don't play football.

Yeah. They play Army football or they play Navy football, which is a different brand entirely. The committee doesn't respect the troops. Who? The committee or whoever picks that. Well, I just think that Cincinnati's in that mode where they're actually like a throwback PCS style team trying to score style points to get into the playoff. They have to win and they have to win convincingly because otherwise they're not going to get

the benefit of the doubt. And they're just going to put it in Oklahoma who keeps beating like bad teams by a few points and everyone's like, well, it's Oklahoma. I'll just say right now, I want Michigan to get in there. I would love to see Harbaugh. Michigan versus Michigan State on Saturday. I would love to see Harbaugh on a playoff. You get like a 10-year contract.

Shut all the haters up. Unfortunately, Ohio State just has two different seasons. They either have the one season where they'll lose to a big 10, an inferior big 10 team, and everyone will be like, oh shit, what's wrong with Ohio State? Or if they lose early enough, everyone doubts them and then they just kick the shit out of everyone else. Like the year they lost Virginia Tech, I think they won the national championship. You can count.

We had a discussion. What was the discussion? Four losses? Four losses, yeah. Ohio State is just crushing people now. Are you feeling like maybe there's a chance? No. I saw some stat.

It was like 20 out of the last 20. We needed Indiana to fucking have a pulse. Yeah. It was something like 20 out of the last 22 possessions Ohio State scored. It's crazy. They're just, they're buzz-sawing people. They're going to kill Penn State and they're going to keep rolling and they're going to kill Michigan State and they're going to kill Michigan.

They're going to lose the Penn State. Oh. Because James Franklin is so focused. I mean every game for me and this bet is a must lose for Ohio State. What do you have to get if they don't? Yeah, I forget. Like I wasn't going to watch football. No, I wasn't going to watch football.

For a month. If they had four plus losses. Yeah. For the entire month. Yours was something along the lines of ten bucks. Yeah, I think it was the cat one. It was getting a cat, right? Do you remember Billy?

Getting a cat. I think it was something worse. Yeah, worse than a cat getting two cats. Yeah. Yeah, getting two house cats. One named Brickles and the other named. Pickles. Brickles and Pickles.

I think I said I also wouldn't watch something football and come in. Oh, no. Yeah. Wait, your punishment was you'd take a vacation? Yeah, he wouldn't work on Sundays. No, it wasn't my punishment. You said it to me. All right, we need to somebody please fact check us on this one because we

forget what hangs into the bargain. Yes, and also someone make me a poster of the two point conversion off in Happy Valley because it was fantastic. All right, anything else from college football before we move on to hot seat Cool Throne? This is this is a last week was just bad all around for football. This week we're back on track. I mean, Oklahoma, they were fixing to lose that game.

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Like they just keep they keep beating teams by not a big margin, but because they're Oklahoma, everyone would be like, yeah, they're really, really good. The debate I'm addicted to having already is is Caleb Williams, a Heisman candidate. Hmm. Even though he's played what three games now. Yeah. Two and a half games.

Three games. Two and a half. Two and a half games right now. Maybe counts a real full game. The thing is, yeah, that half had enough that had enough football for a full game. The play that he had was a Heisman signature moment. But it was against Kansas. But it was against you.

But it still was. I mean, it was against Kansas and also an entirely filled stadium of season ticket holders, passionate fans. Yes. But I like having the debate of like, is this guy that just started playing? Could he be hypothetically if one guy started in like the SEC championship game that hadn't played all year and threw for nine touchdowns? Could that guy be a Heisman candidate?

Why not? That's a great Heisman role. At least get him an invite to New York. Get him in the Heisman house. Yes. Yes. I think he's going to win the big 10. Also, I think Wisconsin is going to win the big 10 West.

People are going to be real mad because they're not good. But is that still actually a possibility? Oh, yeah. They went out. They controlled their own destiny. For some reason, I thought that Wisconsin was the season was sunk. No, they can be in Indianapolis. If they beat Iowa, there's a pretty good chance because the rest of their schedule, they should

be there. That would be the most Wisconsin season ever. Also, our good friend Tom Fronelli had a stat that Wisconsin over half of their points given up have been directly related to a turnover. So that's all they do. They just turn the ball over and give up points otherwise their defense is like the greatest in the world. Just got to limit those turnovers.

Yeah. Which is impossible because they like to turn the ball over. James did a pretty good job. That's true. Yeah, no, it's going to get people real mad if Wisconsin plays Ohio State in the big 10 championship game. I'm declaring it. I want Georgia, Cincinnati, Alabama, Oregon, Michigan.

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Whoa. Okay. Body's not even cold. Damn. Dead. Just sad. Dead as fuck. Do you know what?

What was Ed Asner famous for again? Being dead. I mean, I remember. On this show? On this show? On this show? He was famous for being alive. No, on this show, most famous for being dead.

That's a fact. Oh, he was doing up. What? The old guy? Yeah, he voiced the guy. That's part two. That's sad now. I thought that was Joe Pop.

Yeah. Okay. That's sad. My Cool Throne is the NFL being pieces of shit and unbiased, or no, biased and just like ignoring cheating. I have talked about my, you know, problems with the manning cast and how every time I go on and get triggered, whatever, blah, blah, blah, blah. Yesterday, I was watching the Celtics, Celtics game ended, I flipped over to the manning

cast on TV one. I was like, let's tune into the boys, saw some tweets. I missed the birdie part, but people said it was good. Quite literally when I turned on the TV, Peyton Manning starts going off this rant about how the ball boys in Indianapolis use this special sauce, and they did all these tricks of the trade and did all this shit with the ball, and I'm sitting there, I'm like, oh my God, I can't believe he just admitted to these crimes. Twitter's going to be going crazy.

There's going to be an investigation tomorrow, and it's just crickets. Yeah, no, nothing. That part was ridiculous. It was insane. Literally, I lived off the channel. I couldn't, it was infuriating. It was crazy because they just had Tom Brady on, and I thought Tom Brady was great by the way of the manning cast.

It's crazy to watch him discussing football as it happens. That was a great broadcast, but then they get him off, and the very next segment, Peyton Manning is literally saying, yeah, I had these three guys. I actually enacted the rule change that let me doctor my own balls the way that I like to so that the quarterbacks could be better. I let a group of quarterbacks to do a petition to Roger Goodell saying we should be allowed to prepare our own balls, so we would sand them down. We had a special sauce that was made up that we'd rub them with.

We used to get a belt sander on them sometimes. He was just openly talking about it. My big problem, though, was why not have that conversation? If you're going to have it, have it when Brady is on the air with you. I'm sure Tom Brady would have just went off and been like, this is absolute bullshit that the NFL did this like $7 trillion investigation and suspended me for four games, and Peyton was just like, yeah, we had our special sauce every game. I just love the idea of you just getting so angry, turn it off, you're just stomping

around your house. I love a good broadcast. We're in the business. I like to see what people are talking about. What if people are like, this is good? I'll check it out. And then every time it's like, I turn on, they're like, oh, let's talk about the hunger catch. Let's talk about how we cheated so much with these balls, and no one gives a fuck because

I'm Peyton Manning. You know what would help calm you down in those moments? What? Brickles and pickles. Two cats that you can pussies you could. Brickles and pickles. Yeah, I have the bet. Oh, you do?

Okay. Brickles and pickles. Brickles and pickles. Brickles and pickles. Brickles and pickles. Brickles and pickles. Brickles and pickles. That's not what I had.

It had nothing to do with the cats. I wanted one of the cats to be like a little surly. You can cuddle up with one of them, but the other kind of hates you. So if the Buckeyes lose four games, PFT can't watch NFL football for the entire month of September next season. And if they lose less then, Hank can't watch the entirety of week one of NFL next season. Oh, great. Yeah, this is not a punishment.

That's not a punishment. Let's go. That's also a big time future for you. Listen to the entire segment, but that's what I have so far. That's not a punishment to Hank. This is going to go golf. I love football. I'm a football guy.

He's going to go golf. I'm a football guy through and through. Damn. Yeah, I actually can't watch the Patriots though. Yeah. He's still going to golf. Damn. One other thing about the man in cast last night, Drew Brees was on there for a little

bit. He also, they mentioned you guys briefly, like the Barcel guys keep chirping my shirt. Yeah. Yeah. Very briefly. But Drew Brees went on and I don't know if you happen to notice this, but he said, I got some people that would like to say hi to you guys on the broadcast. And then he goes, say hi to my boys and he brought his two boys on next to him and he's

like a special treat. Let them stay up past their bedtime so they could say hi to the mannings. Say hi boys. And then after the boys say hi, his poor daughter reaches her head in from off frame. No. Drew Brees was making his daughter stand off frame while his sons were on frame and she goes, hi. And then she like immediately gets moved out of the way.

This son of a bitch, just, I think he's trolling us now with this. Yeah. I can't tell a joke at this point because that's, when it first happened, it was just super old school when it just daughters don't exist. Yeah. It was just like guy time boys watching football in the man cave. But when it first happened, you know, and there were all the, there was certain people that are just big care lords out there that are like, wow, he didn't throw a pass to his

daughter when he was passing to his sons. They're reaching for stuff. There's enough evidence out there that Drew Brees might hate his daughter. I'm just saying. Yes. No, for sure. I'm just saying. I've seen enough.

At this point. It's enough to convene a grand jury. Yeah. I'm not convicting him yet, but we're investigating. Um, that's funny because I just looked for, uh, I looked Drew Brees daughter to try to find it and the top tweet is just some guy named Matt Lewis who says something, something Drew Brees hates his daughter, PFT commenter. Yeah.

No, but if you watch the video, so this guy's just predicting the show. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. If you watch the video, it is. It's exactly what I said. Like she's off camera and he's like, say hi to the boys crazy. Yeah.

Uh, your hot seat cool to run PFT. My hot seat is Pete Carroll. This is kind of a little hot seat because I think that Pete Carroll might be coaching for his job right now. I think so too. How do you coach for your job with a backup was job as a coach? Okay. Yeah, but no, that's a good question though.

Hank, I think in most circumstances it'd be fair to be like he's managing the best he can given the circumstances, but I think what the absence of Russell Wilson has shown is that Pete Carroll without an elite quarterback, a guy that he, you know, he, he kind of lucked into when he drafted in third round. Every other team passed on Russell Wilson twice. If not three times, Russell Wilson has been doing a lot to keep Pete Carroll looking like a great coach and Pete Carroll is a good motivator. I think he's probably a great recruiter because he can buy people houses.

That's sweet. Um, but I don't think that he's, I don't think he's a great ex's nose guy. I don't think he's a good decision maker. Well, I don't think he's ever been. I think he's been like a good manager of talent. He's also, he's a prime candidate for a guy who gets fired because it was just like, Hey, it's time to move on. You know what I mean?

Like it's, it's, uh, I was thinking like lovey Smith when he got fired. It was, I think he went 10 and six that year. It's like, all right, well enough time is past like time to move on. You know, it's, it's not that he's doing a bad job. It's just that you've been doing the same thing for a very long time. And if it doesn't ever progress, then it's time to move on. Well coach wins with bad quarterback. So there have been a couple of coaches.

I mean, the Washington football team got to the playoffs last year. So did the Bears. Although I think Mitch might be better than Holmes. I think he might be too. And Sean Watson, let's, let's flip it and reverse it. Mitch Chabrisky took a Matt Nagy coach team to the playoffs twice. Yeah. That's a great point.

Also Matt Nagy and Ryan Pace did not draft someone who's been accused of 22 counts of sexual assault. That's true. So good job Bears. Also a fact. Billy's been giggling over there for a long time. What do you got? I have no idea what's going on.

And I'm slightly disturbed. You getting goofy? You getting goofy on our ass? Low goofy. Yeah. Nothing pertaining to anything. Okay. Cool.

My cool throne is six flags and just being thrifty in general, there was an article that came out yesterday in, it was in Mel magazine about a millennial who's trying to avoid spending a lot of money on eating out for lunch, eating out for dinners. This person named Dylan said that he talked to one of his coworkers and she said that she was spending $1,500 a month on eating food, like going out to restaurants. It seems like a lot for somebody right out of college. But this guy Dylan, he found a life hack and he realized that if you can buy a season pass to six flags, add on the meal charge, you get unlimited food for $150.

So this guy goes twice a day every day to six flags to eat their food and doesn't spend any extra money on it. That's like a dining hall. Yes. It's like college dining hall, except you've got roller coasters around if you want to ride them while you're there. That's so sick. Is that going to be an awesome lunch break from your office job is just go to six flags

real quick, get a turkey leg and like ride a roller coaster and come back to the office. That is so sick. Yeah. So that's, I think that's kind of a genius move. Yes. Absolutely genius. All right. My hot seats is me because I owe Bubba some shoes.

So he hit the alternate under on Sunday under 47 for the chiefs and the Titans. I'm buying you the shoes. You picked them out. I will buy them. Thank you. I'm sure I forgot it on Sunday. I did too. And I had like a million people tweet at me that Big Cat doesn't pay up on his bets or

something like he does every time. Yeah. And I literally just forgot to mention that. Yeah. We all forgot. So thank you again. Not a scumbag. I bought the shoes.

Billy, you're just, you're cheese. There's something going on in that mind. Liam should get Yeezys. Let's really go for it. Oh, go all the way for it. No, he actually was, he respected it. I think they're like 250 bucks. That's a good amount.

Yeah. Also, people were like sending me getting like $10,000 shoes. Why would you do that? Yeah. Right. Oh, Hank would. He just looked at me like, yeah, I'd do that. Also Hot Seat Gus Johnson, not the announcer Gus Johnson, but I thought for a second that

Gus Johnson was getting canceled. Did you guys see that? I saw his name trending. Yeah. It was, it's a streamer named Gus Johnson. I didn't know there was a guy, like I read this whole apology. I thought it was from the announcer Gus Johnson. And then I realized halfway through that it wasn't.

What did he do? I think he did something bad. He was like abusive to his girlfriend. Yeah. One of the things is his wife was in the hospital and he went out to get beers with his friends. Okay. Yeah. Stuff like that.

But that's not why he was getting canceled. Was it? I think she was like, he told her that he'd break up with her. It's like really fucked up. If she gave birth? Either way, Gus Johnson, I was like, what the hell's going on here? And then my cool throne is the bulls because the bulls are back. Hank, you getting nervous?

Bulls are good. For what? Winning. They're the last undefeated team in the East. They are good. I bet them last night, Henry Hoops. There we go. Oh, is that a new thing?

Yeah. What has Henry Hoops got tonight? Aha. The Sixers. As crazy as it sounds. Okay. They're deadly hey. And the Lakers honestly.

Really? Yeah. Love them both. Whoa. Okay. Yeah. Gus Johnson, the other Gus Johnson. Who it is, but he got canceled.

Gus Danger Johnson, Gus Buckets. He's a Twitch streamer. You have anything else for us on that guy? Billy? You don't know anything else? Pretty sure you just like was abusive to his co-friend. Okay. Okay.

Yeah. So disavow. Disavow. All Gus Johnson's. I like the other Gus Johnson. Not in football. My hot seat are suits. Coaches, done with them.

What? End of an era. I think college is going to do the same thing. Good. It's crazy. It was always crazy. They had to wear a suit. Let them wear a suit.

Yeah. I still think MLB managers wearing a uniform is crazier. No, I like that though. No, it's crazy. It is crazy. But I love it. I love seeing like a fat 65 year old run out there in cleats and a belt. So I think that's it.

I feel like there's some old school guys who still wear a suit. They might. Yeah. Like Rick Petino's gonna wear a suit. Jay Wright. Jay Cal. Yeah. Jay Wright loves his suits.

Yeah. But he did. I mean Jay Wright looked very casual competitive. Competitive casual when he was wearing like the warm up top and the, he was like a quarter zip guy. Yeah. I'd be disappointed if I tuned into Villanova game and Jay Wright was not wearing a suit. We'll say two weeks away.

My cool throne are the Florida Panthers. You guys have crapped on them a lot over the years on this podcast, but they're the best team in the NHL right now. I think so. To all points. Yeah. 6-0. You're probably the town team.

The only person that's noticed that we've crapped on the Florida Panthers a lot. I don't think we have. I don't remember. You guys had a huge segment on them. Oh, it was what's the least consequential team in modern sport? I think that's not crapping on them. That's just stating facts. I think it's the Panthers, the Coyotes, and the Wizards.

Coyotes have those throwback jerseys though that are sick. That makes them have something. The Yotes. And they also have this net. Gretzky coach there. Organization. Yeah. Yeah.

So yeah. Number one Panthers. Shout out Tallgrass Mills. They play right next to them all. Sacramento Kings. Yeah. Love that. Yeah.

Love that. That's 6-0. All right, Billy. Let's finally get why you're cheesin'. I'm good to know. Smiling it through it all. Yeah. My hot seat is a certain former Ole Miss quarterback who signed to the Toronto Argos

in the CFL. Eli Manning. But if he didn't unblock one of his favorite fans, he would be getting a shout out on this podcast. Oh. We're not going to say his name. We're not going to say his name. We're not going to say his name.

Yeah. I'm unblocked. He's X-Factor from Kansas City Chiefs because he's realizing that he can't get into the game this Monday and he's trying to find ways around it, but everyone's shutting him down. So. Dressed up like an old woman. He just figured this out.

Actually, that's actually very relatable to like. Yeah. He's like, I can't get in his X-Factor. He thought he could get in his, like, not X-Factor. Yeah. But he's fine. Oh, he thought he could get in his himself. Yeah.

Got it. He thought X-Factor was kicked out. Yeah. I think his name is. What's his name? Ty. Ty. Ty.

He's like, I can just go in his Ty and then they contact and said, no, Ty cannot come in. That's a great point. Yeah. I kind of agree with him on that. My other hot seat was James Franklin. And then my cool throne is Russians, a Russian boxer, Ilya Medvedev, TKO'd a grizzly bear who attacked him in his fishing group and killed his friend.

But he. Oh. It wasn't a sanction fight. Yeah. I don't think it's a TKO. If you kill a friend. And if it's not a sanction fight. If it's a bear attack, like was there a referee that counted him out?

But also, wait, no, he's leaving out the most important part is the bear killed someone. The bear killed someone, then he was able to fend off the bear. No, he killed the bear. No, he TKO. It's not a TKO. It's a KO. It's a KO. That's a LKO.

But the bear won. The bear won. No, if you're dead, it's not, he's not knocked out. He just can't continue the fight. The bear won the undercard. Yeah. Decisively. Decisively.

Yeah. It's absolutely demolishing. But then the Russian fighter won by knockout. No, he fought the bear till it could not continue. With his hands? With his hands and he shot him a couple of times. Okay, there it is. There it is.

Nobody shot him. So a bear killed a guy and then they shot the bear. No, the bear, they shot there several times, but then the bear came, knocked the rifle out of his hands and he hit the bear several times. But the bear had already been shot. But then knocked out the bear. It was that, it's insane. Technically, I don't.

But the thing is his third, his third friend was the one who recounted this whole thing. So. Not the first friend. He's dead. First friend's dead. Right. So bias judge, per usual. Yeah.

Classic boxing. Yeah. Okay. Good hot sequel throne. All right. Let's get to our interviews. We've got a great interview with Coach Dick Vermeel and then we have Mike Florio after that and then we'll get the guys on chicks.

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Have you thought about what it would mean to you and maybe getting that knock on your door and have you already pre-cried about it? Because that will be an emotional moment. Well, you know, I thought about it a lot since I got the phone call a month and a half or so ago, actually it was late August, I got the call while I was in the airport landing to go to the Napa Valley. Yeah, I got the call, it startled me, it really did, in a positive way. You know, I'm very, very grateful for this opportunity and the position they put me in

through the voting for the coaches and I'm sure the other coaches that didn't make it this year will make it next year because I know who they are and they are certainly as deserving as I am, maybe just not as old. So the AG, I think, helped me a little bit but I'm very appreciative of this opportunity looking forward to it. I think we need to discuss more how you are a trailblazer. I think getting the word out there about how you were actually the first special teams coach in the history of the NFL, right?

The first full-time special teams coach? 1969, George, I'm tired of me. I was an assistant coach from the offense at Stanford University, coaching Jimmy Punkett at that time. Yeah, I mean, there are three phases to the game, right? We got 33 starters on each team. I mean, there's some overlap there but special teams is important. You know that.

So when you started being the first full-time special teams coach, what was your job? Why had there not been a full-time special teams guy before you? Well at that time, you know, the entire NFL coaching staff, they were all made up of six assistants and one head football coach and they divided the special team responsibilities up amongst the staff and it got a late preparation day, usually Friday and Saturday, to prepare for the special teams that are going to take place on Sunday. And George Allen, the year before, had lost a playoff game due to a kickoff return for a touchdown and during the offseason, he and his staff went through and evaluated every

kickoff coverage intensely and they found out the two guys that missed the tackle hadn't made a tackle all year but no one was following it that closely. So he said, you know, I need to hire somebody that evaluate the performance of my special teams every Monday after Sunday's game. So I went to the ownership and got permission to hire a special teams coach. He called a friend of his, Peyton Jordan, head track coach at Stanford University and asked him if he knew anybody that might be a special teams type coach that could lead guys in all these variations because you get everybody on special teams in your meetings

and Peyton Jordan recommended me and I was coach and offensive at the time, quarterbacks at Stanford and I interviewed for the job and he gave it to me. So thanks to Peyton Jordan and then George Allen being, you know, you know, a visionary really, you know, he started the nickel, he started the dime defenses and those kind of things and he started special teams. I was there one year and was offered the offensive coordinator's job at UCLA and I took it. And then Marv Levy took my job, God bless him, a great man to this day. So that's the story and you know, I was very thankful also, I had the advantage of Howard

Snellenberger being on the Ram staff at that time and Howard having coached in Alabama under Bear Bryant where kicking game was really critical in a big phase of their preparation every week. He helped me gain some knowledge in regard to the special teams more so than I would have just on my own. Yes, I coached special teams myself at high school and junior college and that kind of thing. But in college, I didn't, I was coached in offense.

So Howard Snellenberger was my go-to guy at that time. You mentioned high school and junior college, I love about your career. You are a football guy through and through. You have the distinction of being named coach the year in high school, junior college, college and at the professional level. So you have done it all. Your career path is incredible how you basically went from, you know, the smallest to the largest in terms of the football world.

My question though is, you don't see a lot of guys like you who coach the Eagles, you go to the Super Bowl, you lose the Super Bowl. When you walked away from coaching for a very long time, what happened that made you say, hey, I want to take a step back from coaching and maybe do something else? You were in media. Well guys, you know, I was guilty of allowing a passion to become an obsession. And I got so I couldn't turn the game off, especially so during the season. And I found myself in a hole because I always blame myself for what went wrong Sunday.

And it really negatively influenced my preparation for the next game because I would evaluate the films and my decisions on Monday for why we lost yesterday. And I blame it all on me. And I kept thinking about that all week about what I should have done last week. And it negatively influenced my preparation for what I should do this week. And then all of a sudden I'd be Friday to play this next game. And I'd be looking at a film at that time, it was film and say, geez, why didn't I see this Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday?

It's too late to install what I'm seeing now. And I felt I was in a spiral downhill in terms of being the leader and running my own offense as I did coaching my own quarterbacks and that kind of stuff. And so, you know, I just I decided to take a year off and get away from it. And in doing so, I was offered a job with CBS to broadcast football games. And I went from making $75,000 a year to $150,000 a year, working 16 weekends and then doing a few college bowl games. So it was still for a living in comparison.

And I enjoyed it, kept me close to the game, but I still always thought I'd go back into coaching. And I I'm not bragging when I say this, but 13 of the 14 years I was out, I had somebody contact me. That's crazy. The finest job I was ever offered was offered on the phone. And about 1986 or seven. And I turned it down because I was a little afraid I would end up for the same hole I was in.

But thank heavens for the Rams and John Shaw and Georgia Frontier, Jay Ziegman of the Rams. So every time that job had been open, I had been contacted and asked if I was interested because I had worked for Georgia as an assistant coach, right? I had worked there and she knew me and I think she had confidence in me and she felt comfortable with me and they offered me the job. And I decided, you know, if I don't go back now, I'll never go back. I'll be too old. So I went back and what was the job?

What was the job in 1986 that you were offered the finest job? Well, it was actually Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Ah, it was a Mr. What's his name? Culverhouse. He called me up and he said, coach, I understand you're a candidate for the Atlanta Falcon job. But I said, that's just a strong rumor. I asked him to give me a week to think about it and I get back and he said, well, it's

out that you're going to go there. And I said, well, that's not true. And he said, you know something, coach, I've made more money in my life that I could spend in two lifetimes and I'm offering you the Tampa Bay job. You can write your own contract. That's exactly what he said to me. I guys, you know, I haven't told many. I don't know if I've ever told anybody I'm interviewing that story.

And, uh, I was visiting my dad. It was dying of pancreatic cancer at the time in the Napa Valley. And I, I, I sat down and I said, dad, you can't believe just what happened. I said, Mr. Culverhouse from Tampa Bay called me and offered me the head coaching job and said, I could write my own contract. And my dad looked at me and he wasn't very good at health. He says, Dick, do you need the aggravation?

I said, no, he said, then you better not take it. Wow. That's, that's incredible because you don't hear it very often with football coaches. I think we, on this show, we talk often about how football coaches have to have a little bit of a screw loose to have that obsession. And you're the rare case where you knew the screw was loose and you're like, I got to take a step back and I got to find some, some balance in my life.

Well, I'll tell you this in broadcasting in the NFL, I visited a lot of head coaches and I can, I won't give you their names, but I sat behind closed doors with a few of them, their screw was almost as loose as mine. Yes. Yeah. You know, sleeping in the office during the week, not going home at all. It does become an obsession. I think that a lot of the most successful coaches right now in the NFL to a certain

degree have that obsession that drives them to be excellent. But at what cost? Like they probably don't have the same balance in their life that you found out was important to you. Yeah. But, you know, they have over 20 assistant coaches today. Yeah, true. True.

That's true. So I'm looking at the Tampa Bay Buccaneers record in 1985, 1986, there were two and 14 and 85, two and 14 and 86, four and 11 and 87. I'm just curious why, why did that become the most attractive coaching offer that you could ever get in your life? See, because that's not the same Buccaneers that we have today. Yeah. Well, I didn't call them, they called me and Mr.

Culverhouse had a very good relationship with Leonard Toast, my owner at the Eagles. And I'm sure that Leonard was positive about my performance with him as a head coach and my great relationship I had with him as coach owner. And I think Hugh Culverhouse appreciated that and he was desperate. He was desperate. So he, he called me and that's it. You know, I talked to other owners too, but I never had anybody say, you can write your own contract.

So I had a great respect for him as a man anyway. But my dad finalized it for me. I wasn't ready for the aggravation. And like you said, if you're not ready for it, then don't do it. Yeah. So, so you decide to come back, you, uh, you end up coaching St. Louis, the greatest show on turf. You kind of started, um, that, that entire era of football for the St.

Louis Rams, you get to the Super Bowl. Uh, the last play of the game, the Titans, they reach out at the one yard line. They come about a yard and a half short, but when you were, when I was watching on TV, it looked like maybe his, his knees were still off the turf while he was reaching out from your point of view on the sidelines. Can you walk us through what you saw in that last play? Well, you know, you have the worst seat in the house, especially when the end zone here is 50 yards to your left.

And there's a whole crowd of pile and offensive people in front blocking your vision. So I didn't really see, I turned to look at the officials coming in from the sideline and I was waiting for them to either cross their arms or go like that. I had no idea what they happened. And when I saw him go like that, then I said, you know, that's it. We are world champions. You know, and if it was that close, and I know I've talked to Jeff, you

know, as a fine coach in his own right, uh, he would have probably gone for two if he had made it. And we may not have been able to stop him because they had been pounding on us. Pretty good. They wore us down in that second half. Yeah. Yeah. So here I am sitting as a Super Bowl winning coach, but you know, for

all these things, because I've been there and lost, you know, it takes the same thing to get there and lose. It does to get there and win, you know, unlike the NBA, unlike major baseball, it's not the best of seven, you know, it's the best of one. You don't play that well that day. You're not the world champion, but you're still a hell of a football team. And your organization did everything everybody else did to get there. So I have great admiration for both teams and just as much for the team that

lost. Yeah. And that season in particular, obviously you start the season trend green. He gets hurt in the preseason. You go to Kurt Warner. It was there a point in time in that season where you're like, Oh man, this, this guy, this is something because he's a, he's a backup relatively unknown guy who goes on to a Hall of Fame career, you know, lights the league on fire.

Was there a particular moment, maybe even in practice where you're like, Oh boy, like this is this guy, this isn't just a regular backup. This is the guy. Well, the year before when he was our third quarterback running the scout team offense for a number of times, I walk off the field and said to myself, either this kid can play or my defense is horse manure. Okay. They would, you know, and I would talk about it, but there was a specific time

and it's in the Ram highlight film. I'm standing next to Jim Hanna on the sideline on the 50 yard line. God bless Jim Hanna where I had 21 to nothing. He had thrown three touchdown passes versus the 49ers, like the fifth game of the season that had beaten a 17 times in a row. And I turned to Jim and I said, Jim, this kid can play. That's exactly it. But thanks to Mike Martz and my offensive staff, they did a beautiful job of

taking a truly a gifted offensive team. There's five guys on that. They'll end up in the Hall of Fame for Moralry and Torio will be next. Okay. So, I mean, it was a gifted offense, but it took a guy like Mike Martz and Al Sonners and Hanifin and John Masco and all these guys, a Wilbert Montgomery to put it in that greatest show and turf. We had built the foundation for that offense in the first year and the

second year in losing, but no one recognized it, but the fundamental approach we took to practice. Remember in those days, guys, there was no limit on how long you could stay on practice. Yeah. There was no limit on how many contact practices or how many times you could wear the pads. That team never took the pads off for two years in the, on the practice field.

Yeah. So it was built that way. And then God love Mike Martz and he came in, I gave him the responsibility and back them in every way I could and combined with the rest of those guys. They put it together. They took advantage and Kirk Warner, I knew he could play. I did not know he could play that well. Yeah.

Nobody did. Yeah. You also spotted, um, you know, the movie Invincible. I'm sure a lot of people have seen that guy Vincent. Well, how do you say his lessons at Papale? Pally. Now I'll tell you guys, I have seen, I have seen Kurt Warner's new movie by Lionsgate.

In fact, the whole crew was here yesterday and interviewed me about it. Uh, we saw it in the Napa Valley. They brought it up in Southern California and showed it to me and my guests in a private viewing. It is outstanding and outstanding football sports movie. Really well done. Um, I have a question about Al Saunders real quick. You mentioned his name.

Was his playbook actually 700 pages? No, there seems like a lot of pages. Yeah. Yeah. It was, it was very, very, very, very thick. There, I've got it in there. I can hardly lift it. Okay.

Yeah. It's very, very heavy. And you know, Mike Martz was not a big book guy. He really didn't like to put what he was sinking on paper. And I made him do it. I said, I want an offensive notebook and it was well done and, and condensed. Al put everything on paper and, uh, just, just contrasting philosophies. And they're both, you know, Al Saunders did a great job, coordinate my offense.

The same all funds at the Rams that we took with us to Kansas city. And then we emphasized the running game a little more because we had Hall of Fame left tackle, Hall of Fame, right guard, Hall of Fame tied in. And now on a, for the Hall of Fame at left guard and all pro at center. Other than that. Why not run the rough ball football? Yeah. Yeah.

So, um, we talked about Kurt Warner. I want to throw another name out there because I'm always fascinated about interactions with, with people before they become legends. You know, Kurt Warner, everyone knows him as a legend, but they don't really remember him as a backup quarterback. The other one, you had a very early interaction. I think when you were playing, he was in a graduate assistant, Bill Walsh, who, you know, revolutionized football and, and is a Hall of Famer and an

unbelievable coach, you knew him before all of that. Was he, is that a guy where like you, when you first met him, you're like, Oh, something's different about him. Like he sees this whole thing differently than everyone else. I could tell you a ton of stories about Bill. I was a player at San Jose State. My first year, he was a graduate assistant and he was writing his master's degree. Okay.

And then he went, became a head coach at Washington high school in Fremont, California. I was going to do my student teaching under him when I got out and got my master's, what happened? He was hired by Marv Levy to go to Cal. So I went someplace else. I went to another high school and, uh, and then we maintained a relationship. Our wives became good friends and Bill and I became good friends.

Then he's coaching at Stanford and he recommends me to John Rawson. I'm, I'm a junior college coach at stamp at Napa college now head coach. And, uh, he recommended me to John Rawston and Rawston hired me as a freshman coach. I was the freshman coach one year. Then the next year I was the quarterback running back coach at Stanford with Jim Plumkin, Gene Washington, those guys. So we just built that relationship. And then I became a head coach before he did and he was the offensive

coordinator for, uh, Paul Brown at the Cincinnati bagels. And we maintained a great relationship, but just we became very close friends. And in fact, the wine business I'm in, Bill would have been in it with me if he hadn't passed premature. Yeah. So, so I learned a lot from him. Yeah. And he's, you know, he's a fascinating figure in the history of football.

Um, when he was, you know, you know, implementing his offense and his philosophies was there, was there a belief like, Oh, this guy's crazy. Like, what is he talking about? You know, this is different than what we've done. You know, using the passing game is almost a running game. Um, how, how was it like perceived back then before it became something that everyone does now in today's NFL? Very, very good question.

Initially, you know, Sid Gilman was working with me. Neither one of us liked some of the basic concepts. You know, we were vertical stretch, pass offense. Bill, yes, vertical stretch, but he liked horizontal stuff. You know, a wide receiver here, one, one yard across the line of scrimmage, over to the other sideline and throwing the ball on the dead run. And these kinds of things, he brought all that, we call them zero routes. He brought all that stuff into the game.

And at first I can remember Sid saying, God, I don't like that. I mean, how are you going to make any yards that, but uh, it, it re high percentage completion to a receiver running full speed. If it's zoning runs through the zone, sometimes you would settle him down. If it's man, the guy's chasing him across the field. If it's man, everybody else is tied up with a wide receiver. He catches them all running room. So I think Bill did those kinds of things that Bill was, uh, had great ability

to look at film in those days and define exactly the best ways to attack the scheme that he's going to play this Sunday. And I'll tell you this, he could take almost any quarterback and play well with the guy. Now, if you're not a Hall of Famer like Montana or young, but I remember the weekend I'm in broadcasting, I go to a 49er game. I sit with Bill a night before the game and we're BS and all that kind of stuff. And he tells me he's going to play this kid. It was just cut from the San Diego Chargers because his quarterbacks

were hurt, couldn't play. And, uh, God, right. Excuse me. His dad ran for, that was a politician. Excuse me. Uh, and an NFL quarterback from Buffalo. Come on guys, a politician. We'll help you hold on.

Uh, Bradley. No, uh, said he was centered Buffalo. Buffalo quarterback, great player. Flutey, Jack Kemp, Jack Kemp. There we go. Yeah, there we go. His son, his son got blessing. He starts the game and throws for over 300 something yards.

He'd been with the 49ers for three weeks. You know, Bill had him, he had a magic touch with quarterbacks and he knew what they looked like. He knew what they looked like and he knew what he wanted and he could teach him to do what he wanted to do. Yeah. That's fantastic. Cause it's the history of the game when you start talking about that and the

people who came along and, and figured out a new way to look at things. You don't even, we talk about defense and, and offensive football, like how, how guys can look at something. We've done it one way. The whole, you know, for the, for the entire history and be like, no, let's do it this way. You know, whether it be up tempo, West coast offense, 46 defense, anything like that.

Yeah, no question. You know, when I work with Bill as an assistant coach at Stanford, he was a secondary coach. That's crazy. And, you know, we had, we're small coaching staff and we had a small coaching office. We're all together working on game plans on Monday for the next game. And Bill would give his thoughts offensively.

And remember, Bill was left-handed. So he would start writing things that he thought might be good offensively. Now he's a defensive coach and he'd be moving left to right and talking over his right shoulder. John Ralston, the head coach, he'd be walking behind him, erasing it. See, couldn't see. And it's like, it's a great story. He couldn't help himself.

Yeah. He could not help himself. And it's a great story because it's Bill Walsh. Like if Bill Walsh wants to give you a tip on your offense, you listen. It's Bill Walsh. But like at that time, it's like, no, you're the secondary coach. Yeah. At that time, he was just Bill Walsh.

Yeah, but it's, it's probably becoming the legend of Bill Walsh. It's smart to have a guy that, you know, he knows, if he knows the secondary really well, he also probably knows how to exploit it. You know, think like, what's my worst nightmare? What would take advantage of this defense that I'm putting into place? That's probably a really great way to learn about something that you want to end up attacking later on in life. Well, you know, he always said he learned a lot from Paul Brown as well.

You know, Bill Walsh was one of the first guys that really started reducing the amount of contact during the week in full pads on a practice field. He was one of the first guys to do that. Why Paul Brown? Paul Brown's influence on it. But anyway, and I was, I have to tell you a story. I haven't told many people about Bill Walsh. I'm, I'm broadcasting in Cincinnati Bagelgate and Bill Walsh is no longer there.

Bill Johnson's a head coach. And I asked Paul, standing on the sideline, I'm watching a Friday practice. And I said, Mr. Brown, I said, you know, Bill Walsh is a really great friend of mine. And one of my closest friends, why didn't you give him the head coaching job? And he said, simply, I knew he's a great football coach. He said, I just didn't know if he could handle the highs and lows of winning because you're going to, sometimes you're going to lose more games than you

win and I didn't know if Bill could handle it. And that's, he didn't question his ability to be a football coach. And if you know Bill closely, there was a lot of this in Bill. Yeah. Most people didn't see that the close friends saw. Yeah. So, so fast forward to, um, after you win a Super Bowl, St. Louis, you decide to walk away from the game again at, at a time when it looked

like the offense was poised to go on, you know, a multi-year run. They were, you left them in a better place than you found them. What was the reason for you walking away the second time and do you regret not staying around at that job for another couple of years and trying to get another couple of Super Bowls? You know, I wish I had stayed, but I don't, I don't actually regret it. I did what I thought was right. You know, I have three kids, 11 grandkids, and I was missing a lot of the

important part of, of a person's family life, let me living in St. Louis, and I never sold my 100, 100 acres of ground where I'm talking to you from right now in Chester County. It was there and my kids were utilizing it, hunting on the property and all that kind of stuff. And, you know, I'm starting to have their own families and that kind of stuff. And I was missing a lot. Plus I also recognize it was an opportunity to go out of coaching on top.

You know, many of your great coaches never, never got to go out on top. You know, Tom Landry didn't go out on top. There was a lot of people that didn't get to finish their career as world champions and I, I have a couple of coach of the year trophies back here and there's names on it. They got fired after they won coach of the year. You guys know that's what was I, so I, I felt it was an opportunity to be a world champion the rest of my life.

Yeah. And in May of following that decision, I'm handing out the Super Bowl rings at a beautiful banquet that Georgia frontier, John Shaw and Jay Sigmund put on in St. Louis. And I'm saying to myself, what the hell did I do? I worked my butt off for three years, helped build this football team, put the staff together, built the culture within the community there. And I'm not, I'm not a part of it anymore.

And I felt a little empty after that. I felt a little empty. Yeah. So low and behold, here comes Carl Peterson, who I hired, I kept at UCLA when I was there, brought him with me to Philadelphia. And he comes to visit me right here in Chester County where I'm sitting right now and says, we want you to come back and coach our Kansas City Chiefs. And we talked for about eight hours that day and Lamar Hunt got involved in, you

know, Lamar Hunt is one of the all time great leaders and one of the all time great influences on pro football. And then I said, you know, uh, I'll do it. I'll do it. So it was, it was one of the best decisions I've ever made in my life was to go back. Kansas City was a great organization, great people. It wasn't torn apart at the seams like the Eagles were and the Chiefs were, excuse

me, the Rams were, both of those teams were the losing his teams in pro football. Wouldn't we took them over and the Chiefs were not that kind. You know, there was stability and good leadership. And I didn't need to have 51% vote on personnel because I had a guy that I'd help raise and, and there were times we didn't agree and he was the boss. So he took that wasn't a big factor, but, uh, I really, uh, I'm grateful. I, I made that decision and listen to Carl Peters and Lamar Hunt. Yeah.

Um, so you mentioned UCLA. I wanted to throw out another one. So, uh, I was listening to an interview you did, uh, I don't know what it was, maybe a year and a half ago, the 1976 Rose Bowl. UCLA, your coaching UCLA, you beat Ohio State 2310. You're 15 and a half point underdogs. You had lost to Ohio State earlier in the year and I heard the story. You basically told your team, listen, we all just have to figure out a way to

have our best game together at the same time. Was there ever another time that your team was able to do that where every guy was able to have their best game on the same day, because 15 and a half point underdogs and you win by 13 points and that's, you know, a big upset. Did you ever have that again? How were you able to like get everyone to be like, Hey, you know, some of you might have your best game one day, but we all have to do it together on this day. You know, it's funny you mentioned that yesterday.

I'm going for, for my files, a files looking for something. I found my presentation to my Rose Bowl football team the first day back to start our 15 day preparation to play Ohio State. I found it word for word, printed, not even typed printed. And what I did is I went to my key players and asked them if they felt they had already played the finest game they ever played in their careers and not one of Randy Cross, John Shira, these guys, good players. They all said, no, they didn't think they'd played their best game.

And I said, you know something guys, collectively me as a coach and you as players for us to beat Ohio State, we're all going to have to have our best game on the same day. You know, a lot of teams lose football games. There's certain guys on the 11 starting on offense or defense or had the finest game they ever played, but it wasn't a collective thing. So I sold that and I had made it, maybe a mistake. I had told them in a locker room after we beat USC to go to the game Rose Bowl.

I said, you know, guys, we're going to have a lot of fun going to Rose Bowl. Well, halfway through the preparation, they walked out on them. They walked out. They didn't show up to practice and Shira came up to my office as coach. We've got a problem. He says, guys say they're not practicing. They aren't having any fun. And you told them that's what they were going to do.

And you're working this double days. And I said, well, John, they only give us 15 days and they've already beaten the hell out of us on national television. And the only way to have any fun going to the Rose Bowl is to win. So we're in double days so we can improve everybody individually, collectively, and play better game day. So I'll come down to the locker room. So I go down there alone, behold, there's nobody in uniform.

I mean, it's time to go to practice. Nobody in uniform. So I, you know, I was a lot more intense and in loud at that time, I ripped the rasses. Okay, I ripped them and I told them I was going to go on the field, carry a sign and tell them anybody that played high school football that would like to play in the Rose Bowl in a couple of weeks, come and see me. I got guys that don't want to play in this game.

So help me God. And, uh, lo and behold, I said, I'm going, I'm going to dress for practice and I'm going to be out there in 20 minutes. And those of you want to go to the Rose Bowl and win the damn thing, come on out. Those that don't stay in here. Lo and behold, one at a time, they started filtering out, they were starting practice and the next day I cut it to a single practices, which was my plan anyway, but you know, hard work is not a form of punishment, but a lot of

kids think it is. Yeah. That that's your job as a coach to teach him. It is not, it's a solution. It's the way you get, there's no correlation between working less and getting better. Never has been, never will be, especially in football. Now you can get fresher and not be as tired. And I'm guilty of sending teams in to play games, especially at the year tired

because I'd worked in too hard during the week. And I, if I went back, I'd change that, I'd learn, but, uh, well, they played lights out, lights out. And, uh, well, uh, Wendell Tyler could have broke the all time rushing record in a Rose Bowl if he wanted to, you know, and what he has walked across the field with a minute to go in the game and congratulated me during the time out. It's been documented. It was on national television.

So, uh, it worked. How, um, how, how long after that resounding victory? I mean, you went around to all your players and you were like, Hey, have you played your best game yet? Sounds like that was a pretty good strategy to get them to envision playing better than they had before. Did you ever try to replicate that later on? You're like, you know what, that Rose Bowl strategy worked pretty well.

I'm going to try to do it again. You have to be careful in doing that, especially when you think you're going to be there a long time. Taylor, when I did it again in 1979, the world champion Pittsburgh Steelers came to Philadelphia to play like the fourth or fifth game of the season. I think we were four and one and they were five and Oh, and I took that approach this week. I said, listen guys, the only way we're going to beat the world

champions is for all of us to have a good day on the same day. If the defense plays well and the offense plays poorly, we lose. If the special teams break down, we lose. If I make poor decisions, we lose collectively. We can beat the world champions. If we all try to have our best game on the same day, we beat them. We beat him. And that sent Philadelphia put our team, it, it, it, it ignited our

football team's self esteem. All of a sudden they felt totally different about themselves. We went on into the playoffs. We won the first game, got beat in the second game. The next year we went to the Super Bowl and lost. But that game was the game that convinced these guys. We remember we didn't have a first, second or third round pick. My first two years there and they'd been losing.

And we didn't have a first or second, my third year there. And the fourth year we beat Pittsburgh shooters. Why? Because these kids worked their butts off and got better. So that Super Bowl, the Eagles Super Bowl, uh, there's, I, I, I remember watching NFL films as a kid and the storyline that came out of it was the Raiders, their team was loose. They were able to party in New Orleans.

They had guys going out all week and the Eagles, maybe a little bit more tight, uh, a little more regimented. Did that ever dawn on you afterwards or during the week of, Hey, maybe, you know, we got to loosen it up here because the Raiders, that was back in the, the true like silver and black, like Raiders going out, getting drunk, coming and kicking your ass on Sunday days. I'd say this, we had 11 o'clock curfew all week. Okay.

What they did before, after meetings between that 11 o'clock was their business. But I told them this, if anybody embarrassed Philadelphia Eagle ownership in my coaching staff, I'd send their ass home. They wouldn't play in the game. Okay. If that made them too uptight or ruin their week, I don't know what really killed us. First off, I didn't do a good job running the offense.

The defense did a good job. And I can make some excuses, but we are minus three internal. How do you win a Super Bowl being minus three internal? And part of that was my fault. And, uh, so I accept that, but we went into the game. They're a press man coverage guys with glue on their hands. If you remember, Yup.

And I was minus my second and third wide receiver. I had Harold Carmichael. He didn't have my other starter. Charlie Smith had broken his jaw against Minnesota. We let him suit up and play the first snap of the game. Then he watched the game. Scott Fitski had a stress fracture, my third receiver, and couldn't play in the game.

The guy that cut the touchdown pass was a walk on kid, uh, Parker, and he, you know, he's not, he can't match up against that press man to man in that guy. And we weren't far enough along in our own offensive scheme, how to take advantage of other areas because the corners are impressed, man, or other areas that can't press. And I didn't do a good job there. I do, if I could do today against the Raiders at that time, what they were doing then, knowing what I know now would be the hell out of it, but it

learned fast enough. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, uh, I had one last question for you, coach. This has been awesome. Uh, it's the rowback question. Use code PFT on rowback.com for 20% off your first purchase, R H O B A C K dot com code PFT.

They make the best performance Q zips and hoodies and they just dropped new gear for the fall. Um, so use code PFT for 20% off rowback.com. All right. My last question was I alluded to it at the beginning. Um, you are one of the greatest criers in the history of the NFL. And I mean that in a positive way, because I always loved, I always loved how emotional you were for your guys and how emotional you were for your team.

Was there ever a moment where your team was like, Hey, coach, can you, can you stop crying for a second? Because I thought it was always a positive. I was like, if Dick Vermille, if you get a big win out of Dick Vermille, he's going to cry and it's going to be great. It's going to make everyone else cry too. Yeah. Well, you know, it used to bother me and I, I'm sure that there were players

that make jokes about it, something like that behind my back and laugh about it. I've heard it now they feel real. I was with six of them the other night for a birthday dinner. As I said, I think I said, but anyway, that took us out for dinner. All Eagles, okay. Burgie, the master, Randy Logan, Spagnola, Crefley, these guys. And, uh, I'm sure that they're, but, uh, you know, you have to be yourself. Yeah.

You have to be with Benny and I'm an emotional guy. I have always been an emotional guy and, you know, not too long ago. Oh, it's been a while now. General Schwarzkopf, I, I, you know, I read his stuff, I read his book, and I knew how he felt, but he was on, uh, 60 minutes with Barbara Walters. And she asked him about why he is so emotional and shed tears from time to time and people around him. And he said, you know, Barbara, I don't worry about those guys under

me that shed tears. I worry about those guys that don't. He said, you know, the guys that do, I know they really care. I know where their passion is. I know, I, I, I understand them and that made me feel better. I used to walk in a stadium to go out for pre-game warmup and fans said, yeah, hey, for me, why don't you cry for me? I felt like flipping them the bird.

I didn't do it, you know, but, you know, I, I think it's very, very important to be authentic, be who you are because soon or later players figure who you are anyway. And, and when you're consistent, uh, uh, they'll trust you, they'll trust you. And they may not always agree with everything you do, you can go say, but when they know, they know you are you. And, uh, I think they buy in more quickly. Yeah, it's a great lesson.

Yeah, we saw it with Dan Campbell. Uh, you know, he obviously cares about his team and he got emotional. And when we saw that, we were like, I, I appreciate this guy being so passionate about his players and his guys and his opportunity. I love football guys love to cry about opportunities. If you have, if you have that passion for something, then I'm, I'm buying in to what you're doing. Well, I'll tell you that Ray Agnew is assistant GM there right now.

Okay. I sent Ray a note yesterday. He played defensive tackle for me at St. Louis Rams. We remain very close all these years and great guy. And I sent him a note in regard to, uh, that situation. I, I, well, I watch the joint Lions play. They play balls out. Okay.

I mean, they, they may not win that fricking ball game, but they aren't, they're going to take some prisoners. Okay. They're going to get after you. And I think the first minute you don't, uh, you don't respect them. You're going to get your button knocked off. And then eventually that will permeate into positive experiences. That's happened to my teams.

I've taken over three losing football teams. The first two years we won about 40% of our games. Our third year, we won over 70% of them. Sometimes it takes time and I wasn't big on early, just getting rid of people. I like to see what people had and maybe they do fit. They just, it didn't, what they were asked to do, what, what they can do real well. And, uh, so, you know, I respect him.

I really do. I, I think they're going to end up being a good football team. They played Philadelphia this week in there. It'll be a Philadelphia better be ready because you're going to get your almost knocked off every week and that's a reflection of their head coach and their coaching staff. I love it. I, you are a football guy, but like you're probably the, the best adjusted

football guy we've ever had on because like these life lessons and, and I, like I said, the, the crying thing, like I, I just always love, like I, that's, if you watch, you know, any press conference, any, you know, post game, it's like, how would you not want to play for a guy like that? Cause he cares. I appreciate you saying that. I appreciate you saying this. What I, what I said to Ray Agnew yesterday in a note, I wrote a long time ago

that rebuilding a losing football team is like remodeling your home and living in it while you're doing it. Everything is just roughing. People walk by the street and say, geez, what a ugly looking house that is. And your wife's mad at you and nothing fits in all that, but you gradually rebuild it from the inside out. And all of a sudden people are walking by that house you rebuilt and say, God, that looks a lot better than I ever thought it would.

Yeah. That's, that's the NFL coaching. So what's, what would be the first step in that? If you're redoing the foundation, you know, you can't paint the siding on the first week, that's, you know, you put the finishing touches, the cosmetic stuff on later, if you're fixing the Lions or a team in that situation, how do you address that straight up? You start out telling the truth.

And the first training camp, you, you guarantee them this, that they may not make the football team, but by the end of training camp, they're going to be better football players. And those that make it were, I used to say the, like the guys that landed in Normandy, not all of them made it, but at the end, everybody wins. And, uh, and that's just the way it is in the NFL. There are times I cut people. I would have loved to have been able to keep them on the roster because they

were making a contribution to us, eventually going to be in a better football team. They just weren't gifted in them, but they had everything else. And sometimes they had more in terms of commitment and desire, uh, to play well. And, uh, uh, you know, it's harder to do that now guys, because the union controls how much time you spend on the practice field, not how much time the team needs to get better. You know, and when players start working at a, a level and a temple and an

effort that they start seeing the reward from their work, it becomes what they really believe in. And like I always tell them guys, you're going to end up making more money when you play better, and it's all controlled in your effort every day to get better. And it's my job to provide you in the environment and the assistant coaches that can help you get better. And, uh, I've, I've said this many times and I've had the opportunity to

prove winning is not complicated. People complicated. I love it. That's a great lesson. Um, coach, thank you so much. Best of luck. We're rooting for you to make the hall of fame. And, uh, we really appreciate you joining us and giving us some of your time.

It's always exciting as hell to talk football. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. I'm 85 years old Friday. My pulse rate right now is a hell of a lot better. Higher than normal. Let's go.

Anytime. Anytime you want to talk football. I love it. Come on back. Thank you. Thank you guys. Take care. All right.

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Well, March 15, it's really not as soon as I would like it to be. It's ready to go. You can pre-order it now. We do a playmakers podcast for the people who have pre-ordered exclusive access, et cetera, et cetera. But yeah, it's not out until March 15. So I had a thought the other day, this is going to shock you. I had a thought that I was going to maybe actually read it.

Now I didn't open it. I didn't do anything with that thought, but I had the thought. At least you're getting there. And maybe by March 15 of 2023, you actually will start reading it. You guys have two of the very rare advanced copies. There weren't many and you each got one. And I sent them both knowing that the chances of you guys reading them were somewhere between no fucking way and never in a million years.

Well, actually, Mike, I have mine. I didn't want to take it out of the package that you sent it in because it's worth so much more on the resale market. Once these things go and they're gone for good, I'm going to be raking it in. So I'm going to put that sucker on eBay, which is named King Golden says he expects it to get $750,000 bid on it minimum. Can I have it back if I ask nicely? Well, that's that actually is a great segue to bring us to our point of

having you on today, which is the Tom Brady ball, the 600 touch touchdown ball that got given away by Mike Evans to a fan. It's our position that the bucks went over there and they kind of bullied the guy into giving the ball back. And eventually they made it better. Tom said that he's given him like a Bitcoin. He got a couple signed jerseys, season tickets, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. We had a discussion on Sunday show.

We wanted to get the bottom of it legally. You're a former lawyer, at least you say that you are. Did they have a right to demand the ball back? Or once it gets handed to the fan, does it become his property or her property? I actually did research on this. The first legal question I have researched in years, I put practicing in 2010. And what I did was now, now look, I don't know whether or not there's some quirk in Florida law after all it is Florida.

There could be some personal property law there. They would allow someone who gives someone else something to go reclaim it within a certain period of time, like some sort of, you know, regret law or some BS like that that they've concocted. But I looked at the season ticket agreement. I looked at the general ticket agreement. I looked for anything in there that would give the Buccaneers the ability to go to someone who got a souvenir, whether it got kicked, thrown or handed

and say, you have to give that back. And I found nothing. I checked with someone else. It's a team by team procedure. And I guess if you wanted to, you could put a provision like that in the tickets. And I have all sorts of BS fine print boilerplate stuff on a ticket. There's nothing on the Tampa Bay Buccaneers tickets that would give them the right to go get it.

And think about what a PR debacle it would be. If you have one of your players hand somebody something and then they go and try to take it back, bad customer relations, bad PR. And I don't think they'd have a leg to stand on if it would end up in court. That's Washington football team giving. We don't do that. Yeah. Well, and, you know, Washington football team would probably be the only

team that would try to do something like that. Sue a fan over something that ended up in the stands. No, yep. So you're looking up this law in, was there any moment where you're like, what am I doing? No, because you guys asked me to do something and I do it. I mean, what the hell? You know, that's what family does.

I'm telling you, we're taping this at noon Eastern and I have a very rigid Rain Man schedule for my lunch. I'm delaying my lunch. Wow. You guys want me to do something? I do it. Okay. Not only that, I saw that you usually put your power rankings out at exactly

noon on Tuesdays. We kind of interfered with that as well. You had to put it. Had to get them done early. Had to stay up late last night. After I researched Florida law, after I read in detail every word of the season ticket agreement for the Tampa Bay Buggers, I got my power rankings done and posted them so I could focus exclusively on preparation for this

momentous occasion. So no harm, no foul with the fan. It was, you know, the box. I, it's different than baseball. Like baseball, if you catch the ball, you've caught the ball and it's like a big accomplishment because you're competing with everyone. This to me was like a very simple open and shut case of Mike Evans was stupid to give the ball away.

And then once they realized the mistake, the fan gets something out of it. He got the Bitcoin. He got a lot of stuff. Like give it back. I don't know. It's just, it doesn't feel like the same as baseball. Like I, I know everyone's like, he should have left the stadium. He should have fucking sold it.

Mike Evans screwed up. Like Mike Evans was the one who shouldn't have done that. And maybe you could blame Tom Brady for not telling him that it was a 600th touchdown pass. But, uh, I feel like it was like kind of an open shot. Hey, everyone, everyone wins, but, but, but no, because the guy was given basically a half million dollars. If you listen to the X, I get it, but it was a mistake.

Like Mike Evans, if he had no news, it was a 600th ball. He never would have given it to him. It's not like a baseball where it's like hit and then you compete with people for the ball and you get it. And then it's like, Oh, we can hold it over their head and all that stuff. Like Mike Evans fucked up. What if it's the record setting home run ball? And I don't know what the single season record is anymore.

I don't know what the all time record is anymore. But what if it's some sort of a record home run ball and the guy wants it back and they come find you and say, we want that ball back. It has a lot of meaning to the hitter. That's different to me. I would, I would hold out on that because getting a home run ball is harder. It's you earned it in a weird way because like everyone's competing for a home run ball, you got the bought the ticket.

You knew it could be hit like when Barry Bonds is going for the record, everyone was buying tickets hoping they would get it. This is simply Mike Evans like handing a ball by accident to a guy and the guy, he's got a pretty, he got a pretty good package out of it. I know that people are going to say he could have gotten way more. Maybe Bitcoin keeps going up and he gets that million dollars and I have a feeling Tom Brady didn't buy that Bitcoin. I think Tom Brady's crypto sponsor is paying for the Bitcoin.

So he's really not. I think the guy wanted to golf with Tom Brady. Shouldn't the guy, he will get around a golf on Brady, he will. I bet you he will in baseball. If this were the case, if it was applicable, then Zach Campbell would be put to death. He would be like public enemy. Number one, I feel like in football, it is a little bit different because you don't, you don't buy a ticket for a football game with the expectation that

there's going to be, you know, 20, 30 balls that are given away over the course of the game unless they're playing the jets. But we see time and again, the, the, and I don't know why Mike Evans picked a grown man. We usually, he always does. He's equal opportunity ballgiver away. He gives us grown men and kids. But if you watch highlights on football night in America or elsewhere, you see time and again, if you're sitting down there in the vicinity of the end zone,

you have a chance of getting a touchdown ball. They bring it over and they give it to you. So it's no different than the chance to get in a foul ball to baseball game. So I don't buy that argument. Look, I think it is different because you're given something versus like actually catching it. Like you're giving it to like, he's like, Hey, take this. You didn't do anything to earn.

You just sat there. You stood out. You did something to get the guys attention. He yelled Big Mike and Big Mike brought him the football. Big Mike. So I mean, I kind of do agree with Florio in the fact that yeah, it's, it would be kind of a shithead move to not give the ball back when you're asked. And with the understanding that you'll get, they'll make it right from the Tampa

Bay Buccaneers perspective and they'll give you a lot of stuff. It'll be great. It's not really your ball. It's just dumb luck that you got it in the first place. I agree it would kind of be a shithead move to do that. But at the same time, $500,000 is $500,000. I would have no problem being labeled a shithead if it is legally my right to hang on to that ball.

And I know that Billy actually did some case law research to look up the legal precedent. I'm sure this will be a meeting of the finest legal minds in America. Billy, do you have, what did you find out when you, when you dug through as a paralegal? I just have a question. Because the ball is technically Tampa Bay Buccaneers team property, because they bring their offensive balls to the game.

They're not the NFL balls that they use for kicking. Wouldn't they be able to argue that even if the fan wanted to keep it, take the half a million dollars and run out of the stadium, that Mike Evans wasn't an agent of the team to give their property up. And since all balls are labeled and under their insurance, that they could just claim ownership of that ball. Wow. Well, now there's, there's two types of authority.

There's actual authority and apparent authority. And he has the apparent authority to scoop up a football on a touchdown. He scored and hand it to a fan forever done over no givebacks, no takebacks. Once that transfer is committed from the fans perspective, that fans got the right to assume that Mike Evans has the authority to surrender that football based upon the common practice of NFL players to hand over footballs after they score touchdowns, boom, roasted. Oh, okay.

I saw a boom roast when you get Billy. It's like, you didn't roast me. I just felt like saying, yeah, this is your degree Billy. I'm just really may want to reconsider his life choices and go to law school. He articulated a very fine argument there. I always had two days to think about a sentence. I'm just wondering that if they had a group of lawyers, could they have gotten the ball back from this guy?

Wouldn't they look like complete assholes that they even tried? That's just that Snyder move. That's an only Dan Snyder would do that. But just technically, like if they wanted to, it'd be tough, it'd be tough because he handed him the ball and that's what happens at football games. People get handed footballs. So, you know, if the guy wanted to dig in for the 500 grand or whatever that ball was going to be worth.

And if he wanted to fight over it and Brady said it himself last night on the Manning cast, the guy lost all of his leverage when he gave the ball back. I mean, he should have gotten that ball. He should have declared to everyone sitting around him. I got to take a dump and disappeared and never come back. You got to get out of there with the ball, take it home and then figure out what to do. I don't know. I feel like everyone kind of won in this way.

I know everyone's like $500,000. But again, it feels like Mike Evans is the one who should pay anyway. He's the one who fucked up. That's really what it comes down to. He should have had the presence of mind to know not to give that ball away. I agree with you. And if the guy had taken off with the ball, then Tom Brady, if you go to Mike Evans and say, you have to buy the ball back from the guy,

or you have to wait until he auctions it, whenever he auctions it, and you have to go buy it and give it back to him. Yeah. That would have been fair. Real quick, Mike, before we let you go and you can buy Playmakers, if you're a book person, I don't know why you're listening to this podcast. If you're also a reader, that's kind of weird. But thanks very much for that.

Thanks for helping. It comes out March 15th. Very excited to read it or sell it. Sure. I had a question about the Washington football team and the emails because I know you've been hot on the case of this congressional investigation into Dan Snyder and into those emails. Just give me a temperature reading like scale one to a hundred.

How likely is this going to result in Dan Snyder being forced to forfeit the team? Too early to tell, but the fact that it's on the congressional radar screen and they intend to push forward and they want to respond to me NFL by November 4th and they have the right to issue subpoenas if they want to. I'd say once somebody with the power to get to the bottom of it gets involved, it gets north of 50. It was under 50 was well under 50 until somebody decided to peel off some of these secret emails and take out John Gruden.

That's when it all changed. And then once it got the attention of Congress and you know, the union could still try to follow a lawsuit and get these emails. But once, and I believe, frankly, July one, when the NFL announced its punishment of Dan Snyder, the reason no details were provided is because if we knew the details of the findings of the investigation, it would be as untenable for Snyder to continue as the owner, as it was for Gruden to continue as the coach of the Raiders.

Once we know about it, it's over. So if they get to a point where we know about some of the things that Beth Wilkinson, the investigator found, I think it becomes untenable at that point publicly for Snyder to continue. So if we get this information, my gut tells me Snyder is going to have to sell. Okay, so I just need one person, one powerful person in Congress to latch on to this, like a dog onto like one of those guys running around in the fat suits. Right?

You got two, two people signed the letter to the commissioner and November four is the deadline. And it kind of died down because, you know, football is the ultimate source of bright, shiny objects to distract us from the problems because they always got games coming up. We had a whole weekend of games. And even though they weren't great games, everyone's forgotten about it. Well, Congress hasn't and they're on the case and it'll be interesting to see

how hard they push. And if the NFL cooperates last week, when they addressed it, all they said was we look forward to talking to representative Carolyn Maloney's office. They didn't say we'll cooperate with whatever Congress wants. All right. Last question, a percentage chance to Sean Watson is traded in the next whatever, seven days, 10 days.

95, 95 is a listen, 95 is the kiss of death. I mean, I should say 94.9 because I've learned anytime anybody says there's a 95% chance of something happening, it never happens. So 94.9% chance Miami 75 Carolina 25. Wow. Let me go, let me go Carolina 24, 1% some crazy wild card team, but Miami's the favorite and it's up to the Sean. He's got the no trade clause.

He will choose his next destination, Miami first, then Carolina, the chances of him being with the Texans next Tuesday after the trade deadline, very, very, very, very, wow. So does, does Roger Goodell go God mode and put him on the exempt list and say, guess what? You're not playing after he gets traded. He makes no decisions until he has to. And they haven't made a decision because he's not playing now.

Once he's traded, they'll look at the circumstances that will exist when a trade happens and, you know, the second circumstances can change. They almost settled the 22 cases against the Sean Watson four or five months ago. And they, they had the talks bogged down on the question of whether or not the settlement would be confidential. That means they already had a number in mind. You don't start haggling over whether or not it's going to be a secret settlement. If you don't know what the settlement's going to be, that could be done at any

time. And if those cases are settled when he's traded, the commissioner could look at it differently and decide to let him play either way, they're going to get criticized, but they're not going to make a decision until they have to. Okay. Well, thanks for coming on. Playmakers comes out some time in March, there's a 95% chance I'll read it. So thank you for sending that our way, Mike.

Yeah, I thought about it. That's a big step. That's a big step. That's good. I assume that your kid will get his hands on it and rip all the pages out and like draw on it. Let it go ahead. Let him draw on it.

Let him have some fun. If you're never going to read it, at least use that paper for something. Okay. I will maybe roll a joint because I know you like to smoke weed. That's actually the great selling point of Mike's book, Playmakers out March 15th. Each page is actually a rolling paper. So you can smoke, you can smoke with it and actually halfway through. Yeah.

Halfway through, you know how they have the pictures. It's actually, it changes to blunt paper. So, um, buy Mike Florio's book and smoke a bunch of joints with it. Well done. Okay. That's the best endorsement we're going to get. All right. Thanks, Mike.

See you, Mike. Thanks guys. All right. See you. Okay. Let's wrap up. Thanks to Mike Florio and Dick for meal. Let's wrap up with some guys on chicks.

Hank, Henry, Henry, Daniel, Henry. Hi, dad, cat, punk, punk legend and the crew. I just got my nipples pierced and I was wondering if you all could explain how this will change my body slash sex life slash future motherhood. Well, you got hotter. I have no idea to be honest with you. Yeah. You got more intimidating, probably hotter, probably better at sex.

Yeah. And hotter. Uh, I don't know. And you might, you might chip some teeth with it. Yeah. I've always wondered about that. I don't really understand the whole knit, the body piercing thing. And it makes me really sound like an old fart, but I don't.

I did nose piercings. I don't think are very attractive. Uh, ears. Okay. But anything else lip. Wow. Yeah. It's very judgemental.

I didn't know you were nosest. Right. I do. Have you ever seen a nose ring that you're like, that's a good, that's good. Yeah. Really? I like nose rings. Yeah.

I don't like the ones that go through the middle. I like the ones on the outside. Yeah. I feel like little baby ones. Yeah. Those are cute. Okay. Love them.

Um, also when you breastfeed, it's going to be like one of those super soakers that shoots in different directions. So that's going to be exciting. Take care of. Uh, hi, big cat, PF team. Hank, hypothetically speaking, if someone was going to slide into Billy football's DMs, what would you say? Ribbit.

Uh, no, I would say, uh, hey, sup, Billy, uh, got this crazy story about an offensive lineman in high school in Texas who ate a pancake before he pancake someone. Also, what's your number? I think, yeah, it's pretty self-explanatory. Just from, if you've listened to the show, should not be a mystery. Yeah. He's looking hot today in his boots.

He's got his fuck boots on. Leave me alone. Just be like, those are absurd. Water, like, okay. So Billy's wearing straight up cowboy boots. And I was like, Billy, are you going to the honky tonk later? And he was like, well, there's water outside. No, I feel like, I feel like those being your waterproof boots is a little bit

wide because they are nice boots. There's like a foot of water outside of my door. So what I do is I take two garbage bags and I put them around the boot and inside the boot. So they're waterproof. Wait, but why wouldn't you just get waterproof boots? Any of those tips, don't you? I was going to ask for them for Christmas because I need a new pair.

Okay. Ask right now. Wobs. You got to alternate under you like this week. Would you like, would you like some waterproof boots? Yeah. How about if Billy gives us a winner this weekend and alternate under winner? Okay.

So I just, I mean, in the pick, in the pick thing, I am exactly 50. And I'm thinking if I'm that good at picking 50, I might as well start trying to go for the top. Oh, so I might just start giving only winners. Oh, fuck. Like I've got exactly 50. That's dangerous. Wow.

I might actually only start beginning winners. Okay. So, all right. We'll get you some new boots for Christmas. If you're actually, I actually would love some of those waiters, those Georgia boots. Okay. Waiters for Christmas. I said to me, yeah, if you're a good boy, first, you're not going to make them earn them.

You know, you have to give big cat an alternate under. And then if that is, or an alternate over, okay, I'll find it. I will get you 10 points, 10 point differential. I'll bet it. And if I hit it, I will get you some boots. Waiters, please. Waiter, whatever you want. What about Crocs?

Baby wants the Crocs. No more Crocs. No, because this water is pretty dirty. Like there's sewage in it. Jersey water, sewy water. Yeah, I need waiters. Uh, sup boys. How come when a man gets lately tapped in his balls, it hurts so bad.

But when you're doing doggy style, the balls are clanking and that doesn't hurt. I need answers because we're liars. It's a big, it's a big lie that men have told each other that we've kept you on the outside of our balls never hurt when you hit them. It's just something funny. That's why we always laugh when we see a guy get hit in the nuts. That's why this podcast almost broke up. Yeah.

Not tabs. Yeah, it hurts a lot. It's like a fun thing where it's like how all these women actually believe that we're in pain. I, I don't know the answer to this. This makes no sense. You're, this person's right. I think it's like a concussion.

Oh, because like, you know, when you get hit in the head, you don't get concussed all the time, but sometimes we get hit in a certain way. Your brain tears that from the lining of your skull and that's concussion. God, I don't think that's what a concussion is. Sometimes when people get, or no, it's like, uh, I don't know. Like when you get shot, you don't feel it for a second because of shock. Like your, your head is so like, there's blood going other place. Yeah.

You're feeling the, you're feeling the fuck. Yeah. You're not thinking about the pain. That's probably right. Whereas when you get, when you get nut tapped, you're just, all you can do is think about the pain. Yeah. I think as guys are fucking, we're incapable of thinking about anything else

at all. So you could, yeah, you could walk up and stab us in our back while we're having sex and be like, this is awesome. I'm getting late. What were you going to say? I haven't, I, I mean, this doesn't make any sense. I'm not a doctor, so this is probably dead wrong, but like maybe like, like semen comes from the balls, right?

So maybe like he's in the ball, but like maybe when you get tapped in the balls out of nowhere, all the semen's down there, but when you're fucking, it's like, not, it's like working its way up. So it's not, it's not, the balls aren't clanging as much. The semen is the thing. I don't know. That literally just made it up out of the clouds. I think you're right.

I think you're right. You're thinking that the semen have nerves and they're little tails. If you'd nut tapped someone who hasn't jerked off in a long time, it hurts even more. Right. Is that right? No. Right.

No, that's right. All right. What's up? I'm sure someone, right. What's up? Dad, cat, short, king, PFT, honk, and the rest of you, my husband has been sober for three years and would much rather play video games and go out to a bar or party with me.

Our friends usually ask after him and I make up excuses for him and they totally get it. Well, it's because they know he loves gaming more than me. I'm typically fine doing my own thing most of the time, but we got invited to a Halloween party and I really don't want to make an excuse for him, but he also really doesn't want to go, even though he loves wearing his banana costume most years. Am I an asshole for pushing him to come with me?

Any ideas on how I can convince him offering sexual favors doesn't really do the trick. Uh, anyway, thanks for help. Love you guys. This one's a layup in my opinion. Or go off. Whatever game he plays, just buy him the costume of his favorite character. Oh, I got you a master chief costume.

Like, let's go to this party. I like that, Billy. He's like, yeah, to gaming. That's really good, Billy. You could also just buy him in like whatever game he wants or, I don't know, headset, chair, gaming chair. Just give him some, some mountain dew. Tell him to just suck it up.

I want us to do shit. They don't like it in that bag. Only difference is he's sober. And so maybe go into a party. Maybe that might like he doesn't want to do anything. Yeah. So I think it's probably the problem with not drinking is everywhere you go. Everybody drinks all the time.

Just tell him to go to the beginning. Like, be like, we'll go for the first two hours before everyone gets drunk. So, fellas, my boyfriend has a cat. Is this a red flag? Yes. Yeah. It depends on how he procured the cat. If you caught it by himself in the wild, it plays.

Or rescued or rescued, or if he lost a bet and had to get it. Yep. I think that's a good thing to do any other reason, red flag. If you just like decided one, if you woke up one morning and he was like, you know what, I'm sick of being catless in my life. Well, here's a red flag. Here's a spin zone. If you date your, did you say boyfriend already?

Yeah. Okay. Uh, you can cheat on him and he'll take you back. Like as a cat guy, that's absolutely, you know, it is my fault. I didn't pay enough attention to you. Sorry, sorry, you cheated. PFT, the football team. All right.

Last one. I took my boyfriend. It's a call back. That's a call back. It's a call back. Yeah. I know I'm in abusive relationships. Okay.

I get it. I know I am. Uh, so I took my boyfriend to a restaurant with arcade games. We want to do a little challenge. He thought he would beat me 10 nothing short story. I beat him eight to two and he acts like he was trying not to win. And he could beat me if he really wanted to. What do I do?

What do I need to do? So he stops crying. Billy. I tell you blacked out that whole question. Yeah, that's probably good. Yeah. I think it was just you. I think you, yeah.

I think Jake wrote in, I mean, to try to get a tip on how to, how to make you feel better crying. I just, I can't stop crying. You like to know what the question is about. It's about Dave Buster's. Oh, there you go. Yeah. Those were, that was some prime context clues you used there to

figure that one out. It also shows that, that Dave and Buster's experience is still very close to the top of his mind. Yes. Blacked it out. Yeah. Are you okay? Everyone's okay.

Okay. Tell us, okay to be okay. Tell us what you were laughing about the entire first day. Yes, please. It's out of the way. It's not okay to be okay. That's not it. That's not the thing.

I actually think that depressed people should start saying that it's not okay to be okay. Like, fuck you for being okay. That's how it's the exact same thing as saying it's okay to not be okay. Yeah. Start fighting back. Tells what your negative vibes only. I'm actually, you're goofing.

You're season. Tell us. One thing on my phone is hilarious. Tell us. Is it text from a friend? You laugh for say it for honestly, 10 minutes. Come on. Okay.

No context. Just give us the text. Give us the text. Read the text word for word. I can't read it. I can't. It's an order. No, it's not.

It is just gave you an order. It's not an order. Yes, I can give you orders. I'm your boss who says me. I'm your boss. Hanks my boss. Technically. That's not true.

That's not true. That's not paper. Hanks. My God, would you like to give him an order? Yes, I'd demand you. Well, he's not actually. Oh, he gives you a demand. So now you're a liar.

It's not an order. Guys, can we just move on? No, you disrupted the show earlier. Okay, we're not leaving until you read the text. Okay, whales. No, can explode. No, you guys are not budging on this. No, you're okay.

You're not fired, but you're suspended for a week. When you were coming back full time, I specifically requested to not be your boss because I would kill you otherwise. You're off the show for a week. Make your choice. Take that deal. One. Two.

Come on, guys. Just get the sentence something. His friend wants a job at Barstool. What? Why did you giggle? Because he thinks his friend's an idiot? Because his friend wants to sleep with. Trying to get myself.

Shake. Jake. Was he like my fucking idiot friend? Wants a job, don't give it to him. No, I said he has to be like clinically an idiot. To work here? You said the R word. No, I didn't.

You just said, what else is clinically an idiot means? He's got to be mentally an idiot. He's got to mentally be an idiot. That's pretty odd. You did a terrible job of disguising that one. You've got to have the idiot syndrome. You've got to be clinically an idiot. Sorry that my friend is medically dumb.

All right, numbers. Don't tell me what I said. Eight. Ninety-three. Ninety-seven. Six. Sixty-nine. Whales sometimes randomly explode if they're dead.

Fifteen. New number. All right. Here we go. Left. Fourteen. Wow. All right.

All right. Love you guys. I love you more than we felt truly madly deeply too. I would only strong my way by force. I'm happy on that day. I'm a reason for living. I'm a reason for living. I was mad with you.

I'm a mountain. I want to be with you in the city. I want to be like this forever. Come to the start and fall down on me. And when the stars are shining brightly in the mountains dry. I'll make a wish and bid to ever remember you on the line. I'll teach the dark all over pleasure and the circuitry. I'll wish the planet by the power and protection of the highest power.

In lovely hours, the stars will hour you. I want to stand with you on a mountain. I want to be with you in the city. I want to be like this forever. Come to the start and fall down on me. Fall down on me.