Pardon My Take - Grateful Dead Drummer Mickey Hart & Wright Thompson, Hard Knocks With Peter Schrager, Mt Rushmore Of Soft Things & Hank Has A B10 Team

Episode Date: August 14, 2024

It’s camp season and the Jets have memes in a meltdown looking for Florio’s everywhere. JJ McCarthy getting hurt is a huge bummer (00:00:00-00:17:17). Hank has picked his Big 10 team and we look at the AP poll being released (00:17:17-00:27:17). Mt Rushmore of soft things (00:27:17-00:51:57). Hot Seat/Cool Throne including Matt Kuchar (00:51:57-01:12:36). Peter Schrager joins the show to talk Hard Knocks episode 2 which was a big win for cable guys and other camp notes (01:12:36-01:42:06). Grateful Dead Drummer Mickey Hart and writer Wright Thompson join the show to talk about their new documentary out now “Rhythm Masters” as well as sports and music, Bill Walton, The Sphere and tons more (01:42:06-02:33:31). We finish with FAQ’s (02:33:31-02:41:51).You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/PardonMyTake

Hey, pardon my take listeners. You can find every episode on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime members can listen ad free on Amazon Music. On today's pardon my take, we have two for two interviews for the people. We have our good friend Peter Schrager recapping Hard Knocks episode two. So we're not going to start the show with it. We're going to talk about it with Peter Strieger, who does the Hard Knocks podcast. He has an insight into the Bears and how they film it. Also the Giants. We're going to also just talk training camp with Peter Strieger, get us ready for some football. We also have an interesting, different interview with Grateful Dead drummer Mickey Hart and Wright Thompson, the incredible author. They have a new documentary out on ESPN today called Rhythm Masters, which was very cool, very unique, something a little different for the people. And we're going to do Mount Rushmore of soft things. We have Hot Seat Cool Throne. We have FAQs. We're going to maybe figure out who's ranked too high on the top 25 college football AP rankings. I think they're all too high. Maybe Brandon Iuke, getting through the top 25. I think they're all too high. Maybe Brandon Iuke, getting through the top 25. I think they're all too high. I think they're all too high. I think they're all too high. I think they're all too high. I think they're all too high. I think they're all too high. I think they're all too high. I think they're all too high. I think they're all too high. I think they're all too high. I think they're all too high. I think they're all too high. I think they're all too high. I think they're all too high. I think they're all too high. I think they're all too high. I think they're all too high. I think they're all too high. I think they're all too high. I think they're all too high. I think they're all too high. I think they're all too high. I think they're all too high. I think they're all too high. I think they're all too high. I think they're all too high. I think they're all too high. I think they're all too high. I think they're all too high. I think they're all too high. I think they're all too high. I think they're all too high. I think they're all too high. I think they're all too high. I think they're all too high. I think they're all too high. I think they're all too high. I think they're all too high. I think they're all too high. I think who's ranked too high on the top 25 college football AP rankings. I think they're all too high. Maybe Brandon Iuke getting traded.

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code TAKE. That's code TAKE for new customers. Get 150 in bonus bets when you bet just five bucks. UFC 305 is coming up. Only on DraftKings. The crown is yours. Today is Wednesday, August 14th and the Jets have a problem. Is it a problem? It could be a problem. You think it's a problem? Is it a problem when you trade for a guy and then he just never shows up? Well, so Hassan Reddick who was traded for by the Jets is at an impasse with the Jets because according to Hassan Reddick, they agreed to a new deal. The Jets are saying they will only do a new deal once Reddick shows up to camp.

And Reddick is saying he won't show up to camp until there's a new deal. So they're at an impasse. They got to meet on the Jersey turnpike. This is why you hold in, you don't hold out. I actually was. That's what they did with Darrell Rivas back when Hard Knocks was going with the Jets

a long time ago, he was holding out. They met at like a diner. Well that's what I'm saying. They should do, the Jets should just run a training camp practice from Hassan Reddick's backyard. Yeah, and see if he shows up. Just bring it to his house. Well the problem is I think he might be in Tokyo today.

Oh. Or at least he posted something on Instagram that made it look like he was in Tokyo. Either way, it is high time for the Florios of the world out there. The Racines, our guy memes, diehard Jets fan, is very upset. And I don't think he has a gripe other than it feels like the Jets are not handling this correctly. When memes doesn't like the news he blames

the reporter. It's like if your house gets hit by a tornado you blame the weatherman. The phrase don't shoot the messenger, shoot the message just never has come into memes his brain. I'm kind of with memes on that one. Oh of course. Because you don't have you can't shoot a message Yeah, so you got bad news. You hate that person that person right? That's what we do I looked it up and it looks like Hassan Reddick. He's he's scheduled to make 14.25 million in base pay He's missed 15 days of training camp, which means he's accumulated $850,000 in mandatory fines Oh No and

accumulated eight hundred fifty thousand dollars in mandatory fines. Oh, no and 300,000 in discretionary fines now for every week that he misses he's gonna miss that week's game check as well Oh, no, which is one seventeenth of the fourteen point two five million So he owes he owes the Jets over a million dollars right now for skipping work Can you imagine if we find people for missing podcasts? Can you imagine how much money we would make big cat we'd make a lot of money Something to think about but this dude hates work so much that he's he's willing to pay a million dollars like they should trade them to the Bears memes your thoughts

So yesterday I was pretty fired up Yesterday this morning today all of today that was calm that was calm those calm fired up and just told us that fuck off anything in the past was yesterday yeah yeah yeah yeah this morning that's my three-year-old memes where she's like yeah I fell yesterday and she's talking about a month ago. Yeah, I've calm I've calmed down since this morning Okay, not really and um No, it is the Jets fault. That's that was my first conclusion. Oh But also Florian Rossini's because they

Told you yeah, she's she's full-blown Florio She's full of balloon Florio, dear. Wait, did you say she's full of balone? Or is she full-blown Florio? She's full-blown. She's full-blown, but also full-blown. She's a system Florio.

Oh, shit, that's the meanest thing you can say. Okay, so, what are you gonna do? Can you give him to the Bears? No, so I don't think he's going anywhere. Trade him back to the Eagles? Flip him? Distressed asset? Memes was getting to the point today where he was just yelling other players' names and being like, take him.

No you should take that other player. Hank knows. Yeah, Hank. Do you have any players that are in contract disputes? Matthew, do you know him? Oh, you do know him. Okay, alright. And how's that going? They're working it out. Okay. Him and Mayo are on the sidelines. They're having a nice conversation. Seem friendly and good. Yeah. Friendly and good. I think he'll be

on the Patriots. Okay. I think they're friendly. I don't know if they're good. Friendly and good. He'll be, he'll, this is the off season. This is how it goes in the preseason. You know, you gotta, you gotta negotiate it. It sometimes, you know, it takes a little while, but the Patriots, unlike the Jets are a, you know, you got to, you got to negotiate it. It sometimes, you know, it takes a little while, but the Patriots, unlike the jets are a, you know, classy organization. They're going to figure it out. I can't really say the same for the jets. Yeah. The jets won't get it. Something seems weird where they traded for the guy. And usually when that happens, you negotiate at least the outline of what the terms of the new contract are going to be. Once you get there, the whole point of trading for him is, you know, he's

going to sign the new contract. It's like when Chicago got Montez Sweat from the football team, they had a deal in place and then they executed it. It's not just like a one-year rental. For the Jets, I feel like... I don't know if it's on the Jets, if it's on his agent or both. Maybe both. Maybe both. Or Florio and Racini.

I'm going to call Racini real quick quick. OK, needs to respond to allegations that she's a system. Floria, that is out of some heavy allegations. Hank, I'm really proud of you for knowing Matthew Judon's contract issues. Thank you. We had a debate whether you would know. Fuck.

What do you mean? I'm locked in. Yeah, that's why they call you Lockwood. I watched more preseason football last week than my entire life before this. Really? One game like three quarters That means times might be right probably on the phone with none of our sources

Is busy talking to no one I Brought I said this to memes yesterday I was like oh Yeah We'll take a song redic back for a sixth round pink and he was like no that his value would be way higher now than what we traded him for no legitimately thought he's gone up yes like he was like we would get more back than what we gave you I don't think that's how it works memes it might go down you should teach a finance course

it might it might okay so memes you got to get that figured out because I don't want I don't want you to be grumpy memes And this feels like we need to just get him on the field. It looks be positive Just pay him the salary cap is not real That's a fact and your own saints have taught us that many many times just give them the money you have like one Maybe two years of Aaron Rodgers Just give them money Let's have a good season

Just give them money. Let's have a good season. Yeah, just make another vaccine. What the fuck does that mean? Johnson & Johnson. He's right. We're about to get another pandemic. Bird flu. Bird flu's happened recently.

That's what Hassan Reddick has when he doesn't play after leaving the Eagles. Oh, I love, I forget how much Hank can just Exist and get in under memes his skin when it comes to the Jets. Yeah, listen or anything or anything We we we hate on Hank a lot a lot of it is deserved But you have to appreciate the fact that when Hank is going up against somebody else, it's awesome Yeah, we did the we were we were doing stuff today we did the we had a little downtime and we did the Mount Rushmore of Reasons why Hank can't exist and what were some of the things we came up with it was speaking or not speaking yawning

You've gotten in trouble for both being hungry being hungry Golfing having any hobbies any anything that outside of work that I any any activity. Well, if your hobby was work, then I wouldn't Anything that outside of work that I any any activity well if your hobby was work, then I wouldn't No one's hobbies work now sometimes you get mad at him for doing work as well Yes, really when I asked you to when I asked you work questions you get mad at Well you also trapped me in a conference call this morning That's the only way to do it to me this I was like hey I'm gonna have I'm gonna ride with you and I get in the car and he just goes Oh, by the way, we have a conference call that I added you to starts in two minutes and then he said no

I couldn't go anywhere Liking music liking music like yeah. Yeah, you've been on his ass for liking Billy strings. Well, no, it's just funny It's the only musician I've ever heard Hank name. I think he only knows one musician another musician Gucci Mane. Oh nice. Okay fair. Um Name. I think he only knows one musician. My other musician. Gucci Mane. Oh, nice. Okay, fair. Um, what else? There's a dressing. Nice. Yeah. Yeah. Or well, just dressing no matter how you. Yes. Yeah.

Dressing. Um, we said being hungry. Yeah. Or just thinking about it. Thinking about anyone else like thinking like you always think about other being heartfelt towards you guys. You guys get mad at me for that Yeah, always it's never ulterior motive Always think about other people that's point-proven right waking up early to work out or sleeping in too late to not work Yeah, can't exist. Yes sleeping or waking You're not allowed to do

Yeah, no, it's tough it's tough being you I apologize for forgetting on your case. Yeah. Yeah, you're not allowed to do. Now you guys are seeing this. Yeah, no it's tough. It's tough being you. I apologize for forgetting on your case, Hank. Yeah. Yeah. You're a great guy. I'm sorry. Cross I have to bear. Is that the expression? Vacations. Yeah, if you think you're Jesus, that's okay. Not taking vacations. Yeah, wanting to get, you know, wanting to relax. Right. Illegal. Yeah. Illegal. And then not relaxing. Illegal. And then when I'm, yeah, when you guys get me all held up. Yeah, right. Taking your medicine, not taking your medicine. Right. Either way. Both suck for us. People, I hope people are understanding, like this is truly what I have to deal with. Truly. Right. But also it kind of works against you because we just described every part of your being

is annoying in your mind. But yeah, no. But then you're like, I want you around more, which is my entire. I love having you around. What is it? What do you want? I love having you around. I think both sides. I love having you around. I think that Hank is right when he says that he can't exist. And then we're right when we say that you're just annoying. Right. And also at the the same time, saying. If I was really annoying, you would think you just cut me out. No. I love having you around just to see how you can't exist.

I want to watch you exist to be like, no, stop doing that. Existing. Hank's great when it's directed at somebody else. When you focus all your energy on being somebody else's problem. I like that part. Yeah. I love you, Hank. I love you guys, too. Oh, thank you. You finally said it back. You didn't say it back the other day in the car when we were fighting about on the way to...

What were you on the way to? Oh, Hard Knocks. Yeah. We were on the way to Hard Knocks and you're stalling me. All right. So we are going to talk about Hard Knocks to Peter Schrager. The other news, JJ McCarthy has a knee injury. Yeah, meniscus. Terrible luck. So I think we are going to talk about hard knocks to Peter Schrager. The other news, J.J. McCarthy has a knee injury. Yeah, meniscus. Terrible luck. So I think we should go to our senior meniscus correspondent, Max, who has dealt with one or two of these in last years. Max, what can we expect?

How soon can we expect him back on the court? Also- On the court? Yeah, on the court. Also, is he going to learn how to fall onto his neck as opposed to landing on his feet? He doesn't try to fall onto his neck as opposed to landing on his feet? He doesn't, he doesn't try to fall onto his neck. He should, he should probably fall to brace impact if you were like coming down from a dunk.

But he's not talking, he's playing football. But I'm, I'm telling you what I know. Okay. Okay. You asked me for my expertise. This is my expert. Yeah. Okay.

He could be back. I'll probably be back in like two months and then it'll linger for a little bit longer and then we'll have like a couple of good games. And then if he has one bad game, you can just blame it on the meniscus. That's the problem. Really the number one thing or he's just tired or he's just tired. Is he going to get fat? No, he's not fat. He'll be like really strong, really athletic, probably the best at his position. Is he going to play like he's fat? No, no. Other people would maybe say that he plays like he's fat, but he's not actually fat.

He's actually really athletic. And if he didn't have his meniscus, he would be in more shape, better shape conditionally. So he is fat. Conditioning wise. No, not fat, but just not as good shape as he would have been. OK. If he didn't tear his menace and it'll come back like within the next couple of years like it will always be the worry of you know the menace kiss tour. It could tear again. It probably will tear again and it's always going to be in the back

of your head and you always be like I won't. You know what if he didn't tear them in this could have been. Yeah right. Shout out, shout out JJ McCarthy for being a tough motherfucker because he didn't, he tours meniscus and then didn't report it until the next day. Yeah. And he was like, Hey, should we check this out? It sucks. Like it just sucks. He did look really good in the preseason week one. Yeah. They have Sam Darnold, but the Vikings. That's a denial injury. That's like, I'm going to sleep. I'm going to sleep this off, and I'll be fine. Which everyone does.

The minute you get injured, especially if you're drunk and get injured, and you're like, I'm fine, and then you wake up the next day, you're like, I can't walk. That's what happened with my foot. Yeah. I just walked it off, walked home that night, and then I woke up in the morning. Nano bubbles didn't do shit.

But it really does suck for Vikings fans, because you're excited about your new quarterback. And then he should be fine long term, but it still is like, if he misses two months of his rookie season, that's big. Yeah, so I know that there are two different types of surgeries you can have on the meniscus. One is when you cut it out, and the other

is when you repair it, right? You sew it back together. Yeah. And so if you cut it out, you can play on that after a couple of weeks. If you sew it back together. Yeah. And so if you cut it out, you can play on that after a couple weeks. If you sew it back together, it takes longer to heal, but then you're better off in the long term. Right.

You don't get bone on bone like D Wade had. Yeah. Bone on bone could be an issue. So Max, which one did... I forget, which player do you root for that had meniscus surgery? I don't know what you're talking about. Oh. Was it in bead? What kind did he have? Meniscus? I don't know what you're talking about. Oh. Was it Embiid? What kind did he have?

Meniscus? I don't know. But did they, was it the long one or was it the cut it out and he's gonna come right back? I think he, I think, I think he said both honestly. I don't, I'm not. Yeah, I hope he's okay. He looked great. Yeah, I feel bad for Viking.

It's a shitty thing. It's a shitty thing. Like you've been through it before with Teddy Bridgewater. I hope nobody threw up this time. But yeah, I feel bad for Viking. It's a shitty thing. Like you've been through it before with Teddy Bridgewater I hope nobody threw up this time. Yeah, hope he's okay was was it the Derek Carr seven-year bump that we talked about? Cuz Sam Donald is in his seventh year, which is crazy Yeah, he's been in the NFL for seven years, but Sam Donald is now gonna be the starter Yeah, also just a reminder that doing a fantasy draft before the end of preseason is insane You got to do it Labor Day weekend. It's insane. I cuz Jameer Gibbs got hurt, too

Yeah, I think it was a hamstring. Is he okay Huey? He's gonna be all right. Okay, he's gonna be great because I saw there was like some people who were concerned about that But there's no there's no worse feeling than being in preseason and getting that alert from Schefter and being like wait That's one of my guys? Especially if you have a rookie quarterback that you're excited about. Yeah, it sucks. Yeah. So sorry for Vikings fans.

Okay, before we do our Mount Rushmore, should we take a quick look at the top 25? And we also have some breaking moves. Breaking moves. Henry Lockwood. No, this is not this person's name. This has nothing to do with him existing, not existing, whatever. Henry Lockwood, after doing an extensive search where he just got drunk at bars and called it work last year, he has found his big 10 team, which is? The Washington Huskies. Oh, wow, so you went to a Washington bar last year? No.

Oh. I didn't declare them my Big 10 team for the record, but I am high on that. So why are they your Big 10 team? Because Belichick is the defensive coordinator. Bill Belichick. Steve. Steve Belichick.

I knew that. Yeah. Wait, wait, did you actually think that Bill Belichick Steve Steve Belichick I Need that yeah Wait, did you actually think that Bill Belichick was gonna be the defensive coordinator? No But you you said that earlier and you didn't like you're like Belichick's the defense corner is like you have to say Steve Obviously, obviously Bill Belichick's not the defense. I understand but you do have to say the first name in that. Okay Steve Belichick Sorry, I didn't I didn't think that I thought that was a given Bill Belichick was on Macphie showed yesterday or Tuesday Monday, whatever and he was talking about how he's just been you know hanging out around the team and

as has Pete Carroll So the Washington Huskies have maybe the greatest coaching staff that's got an official coaching staff Yeah is a coaching staff. Yeah, the old dogs came back together now It does make sense for Hank to be a Huskies fan because they combine two of your great loves before games They've got drinking and then they'll go. Yeah. Yeah, you got to go sailgating at some point So how do you love to how do you like your Huskies in the Big Ten West? Well, that's what I asked big cat before I was like are they in the cupcake division or the hard division? And I was found out that it's one division. Yeah, it's one. It's all one division that sucks for you guys. Oh, yeah

Oh, yeah, but it's expanded play. My big 10 knowledge was just like it's Ohio State Michigan And then Wisconsin comes out of the cupcake. Yeah, the legends and leaders conferences. So Looks like the big 20? Yeah, they haven't changed the numbers. Yeah, they haven't changed the numbers, 18. 18, one conference? Yeah. How do they decide who gets to the big 10 championship?

Top two. That's it. Yeah, could be Michigan, Ohio State playing back to back weekends. That's cool. Yeah, well, I don't know if that's cool. That's the thing. You're just, I mean, you're screwed. No, no, no, no. Wisconsin's screwed. Well, no, I don't know if that's cool. That's the thing. Well, you're just, what's the, I mean, what's the, you're screwed.

No, no, no, no. I'm screwed. Well, no, because it's expanded playoffs, so there'll be, you don't have to make it to the Big Ten championship to be in the playoffs. Got it. The, the, the. Like a Washington schedule. Situation of Ohio State and Michigan playing each other in back-to-back weekends would probably suck because both teams would then be in the playoff most likely and then you'd have a big 10 championship game that would mean yes, home field advantage, but also it would kind of take a little away from the rivalry. Wait, would there be a possibility that they played three weeks in a row? I don't think they can play three weeks in a row because I don't think that's how, I don't think they would ever bracket them that way.

But the possibility exists I'm not I don't think so because I think it's automatic. I think automatic qualifiers Would get a buy always get a buy. Yeah, so I don't think it would it can exist But we could get three matchups between them in the same year. Yes, that's on the table. Yes It's tough to be the team three times. Yeah, this is a good happen in the could happen in the SEC as well Yeah No I years that Georgia and

Alabama play each other, they could play again, they could play again. Looking at the top 25, the thing that jumps out to me is things being- I guess that did happen. Wait, no, that didn't happen. Did that happen? Did Georgia and Alabama play each other three times when they played in the national title? I don't think so. I think that was just the second time. Which year? Because they did play the two year. That means because they could in the SEC championship. Yeah.

Yeah. They lost in the SEC championship and then won in the. Yeah. That was the Bryce Young year. That's right. That's right. But the thing that jumped out to me was things being just as they should be, which is Iowa at number 25.

Yeah. I would just stay at 20 and NC State at number 24. Yeah. Yeah. Those two teams, they fit there. Iowa. It doesn't matter what they do. They should just always be number 25. Yeah, I would just stay at 20 and NC state at number 24. Yeah. Yeah, those two teams. They fit their Iowa. It doesn't matter what they do. They should just always be number 25. Georgia one, Ohio state two, Oregon, three, Texas, four, Alabama five. This is the year that if Ryan day, this is, this is, he's got the squad. His defense is going to be nasty. If Ryan day doesn't do it, then the born on third stuff. Yeah. It's going to start to really come true.

Big matchup October 12th, Penn State, Ohio State. Whoa. Get ready for that. Penn State will lose that by 10. Or no, that might be Oregon, Ohio State. I think that's the matchup on October 12th. Yeah, there's some great games. In Washington, Iowa.

Oh yeah, Hank, sorry we forgot Hank was in the room. Yeah, Hank. We gotta talk about his Huskies. Are there a lot of U lot of you dub bars in Chicago? I? Don't know but it's gotta be one to start one Hey, why don't you give us a quick win-loss for the Washington Huskies alright today? I just look at their schedule. They have that they have a big pack 12 schedule is what I'm calling it Okay

Michigan's nine, but aren't they gonna to stink this year? No, they'll still be good. But they'll be, they will not be, I will tell you this thing. They will not be in the top 10 by October 5th. Okay. Mark my words. Call on your shot. Full card. So that'll be a win.

You just skipped to the fifth week? Well, yeah. I mean Rutgers obviously a win. Northwestern obviously a win. Washington state rivalry game maybe not. Wait, where's Northwestern? Washington. Yeah, you would have to go to that if it was here.

I would love to go to that. Also on a lake, right? Yeah. Yeah, literally this year because they're playing on the practice facility. Their stadiums, yeah. I mean, I probably will try and go to one of those games. It's gonna be a sick end zone cam.

I'm a sucker for water. Iowa win, Indiana win, USC could be tough, Penn State win, UCLA win, Oregon could be tough. So undefeated in two could be toughs. At Penn State. That doesn't matter. If they do the white out. I think it is.

Wow. For Washington? That's a classic big 10 rival. Are you talking 10 rival? I'm just thinking if're talking shit about your own You're a Penn State fan, and you're like did Minnesota last yeah I guess I hate if I were you I would say that's that's just a true mark of how Respected Washington is where Penn State's using their white out. It is the white out good point Washington is the white out all right

Maybe we'll go I Would love to this is great. We should do this content Yeah content uh Alright, so what's that ten and two? Eight and two I was it was undefeated with two could be tough one two three We are gonna do a full college football preview in the coming weeks. This is not it So just don't this is just our Washington Huskies pretty good. This is us just looking at a list of teams and Hank talking about the love.

Hank's Washington Huskies that were Hank's Washington Huskies as of an hour ago. Yeah, I'm a loyal guy. He's spitting. It's going to wear off, Hank. What? Your love of the Huskies. What happens when they play a late night game?

And Hank, he's got some drinky I'll just have to have some more drinking I'm not a Saturday drink again. They got Not during the football season That's not true we did a bar crawl last year to look for your big tent Yeah, you literally that was day drinking and that was work. That was also work Max. I was work sponsored shot of course light. I had to do that I had no choice Alright, well, I'm excited to watch Hank I'll tell you what the Huskies have great colors and great gear then you got that to look for cool fans, too

Yeah, we coach Spencer Hawes great stadium Yeah, you're buying this You're doing what every econ, cause you taught us this with your econ class, buy high, sell low. Yep. Cause they just went to the national. They've never been as good as they are. Yeah. He's noticing the trend in the market. Hank's going to the moon. That's your problem. But you're so we're on the moon. You couldn't be, their mascot is awesome. The worst time dubs you're just missing insane season And get to know dubs the mascot. He rocks. Yeah, he's a good boy

Also, the camera angle at the Husky Stadium is very high Weirdly high Wash up. We should make Penn State Washington a rivalry. Yeah, make a trophy Hank. Yeah, that should be you gotta make a trophy I'm down. Okay, we'll make a trophy. I like that to wash up wash up Do we have anything else before we do let's we're gonna do our Mount Rushmore Then we're gonna do hot-sea cool-toron and get to our interviews. We have anything else before we get to our Mount Rushmore I think we're I think we'll cover it in hot-sea cool-toron. Let's do our Mount Rushmore It is brought to you

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I love it. Shout out, uh, I think I screenshotted it. Oh, no, I bookmarked it. Do you guys use bookmarks? I do sometimes, yeah. Yeah, bookmarks are good. We've done this. We've had this conversation.

What do you mean? Sidney Sweeney. Oh, yeah. We don't, but then I did, after that, I forget, I did some insult ones towards PFT. Oh, yeah, Hank and I had a bookmark off. Matt, AWOL Matt, thank you very much for submitting this one. He submitted some good ones, open-ended ones.

So the scores as of right now, after Hank didn't cheat, he went back to losing. Isn't that interesting? Mm-hmm, very interesting. Max has 57 points. I have 47. Hank has 38. PFT has 38.

We got a tie. Also, Max is talking about possibly clenching What's your magic number max? I don't know you're talking about you said before That you need me to win this because I would you would clench. I didn't say that you said that verbatim So what is your magic number? What are you looking at Hank? This movie What is your magic number? What are you looking at, Hank? I'm looking at my bookmarks. I've never even seen this movie. Hank and I had a bookmark off. It's a quote tweet that says, show the greatest I'm about to die moment in cinema all start.

I bookmarked a movie reply. I've never seen this movie. So that was accidental. Hank tweeted, ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha when they announced that Dan Quinn was gonna be the coach of the commanders Oh, I bookmarked it and then Hank bookmarked my bookmarked and said your bookmark has now been bookmarked and I bookmarked that And then Hank said triple bookmark. No bookmark backs. Oh And then I bookmarked one of yours big cat. So did you bookmark?

Wait, what'd you say? I was to say somebody did an AI thick Miley silence. Oh, I know which one you bookmarked. Cause you retweeted it on draft night. No, this was 1224. It says, uh, if the bears don't at least get to the NFC championship game next season, you do apologize to Hank. And you said, no, I'll apologize if they miss the playoffs without any major injuries. Bookmark it. So you have to apologize to me? No, I will apologize if they miss the playoffs without any major injuries. Bookmark it. So, you have to apologize to me? No, you have to apologize to me. If they miss the playoffs? Without any major injuries.

Major injuries. Okay. But then you should have to apologize to me if they make the playoffs. Okay. I'm on the bears over eight and a half wins. Okay. All right, so Mount Rushmore of Soft Things. Who goes first?

This is a big one for the boys in the bottom. We have eight left. Yeah, Hank and I are neck and neck. Who goes first? Plenty of time. Who's up first? You're pointing in between me and PFT. I think it's me.

I go last. I know that. OK. So I go first big cat second then max Okay, Mount Rushmore soft things 1-1. I don't think this is a surprise I'm going boobs correct correct. What is the correct 1-1 pick? Yes. Yes boobs are back That's Sydney Sweeney brought boobs back for a while boobs were out now boobs are officially back back and I'm glad that

they are yes very soft good one and supple one one max hates boobs by the way boobs good pick all right now I gotta think now I gotta think that was I mean that was a lucky first I'm very thankful I got to go first first yeah okay I'll go my one one well my one was boobs a dog's only one one was a dog's ears dogs ears super soft, okay Yeah, you know dogs ears super super soft like velvety. Yeah. Yeah, they're nice love petting a dog love a good dog's ear I Mean this really doesn't even matter cuz there's no way pft loses his draft getting boobs one one. There's a way I'm not very good at Mount Rushmore's Ice-cream getting boobs one one there's a way I'm not very good at Mount Rushmore's ice cream okay is a question is there any particular type of ice cream up for the

for the graphics it's this ice cream okay okay was that a question no I'm just I'm just that's my answer ice creams not that soft okay it's your answer soft serve that's what the correct answer should have been soft serve is what you saw sir on the graphic but he said sure you said for ice cream I want ice cream but you would want soft serve on the grass it doesn't matter what do you mean it doesn't matter If like I'm going up against PFT. What just happened where you got your computer. I don't understand why. What you say he wins. He wins with boobs. He wins with butt cheeks. It's still on the was still on the board.

Yeah. Butt cheeks is there. But cheeks is my. Yeah. But hard. But like a firm. Yeah. Like my butt cheeks are not on soft. No I'm grab my butt cheeks you'll get some bone okay well I'm taking butt cheeks not all butts are soft yeah well not I mean not all boobs fake boobs fake boobs aren't soft I didn't say fake boobs I know I said boobs correct boo yeah fake boobs are not not soft yeah I'm maybe the world's worst person at identifying fake boobs too mmm I'm worse I think every boob is real. Yeah. And then my next pick is going to be lineman with long sleeves. Okay. Pick. Good pick. Good

pick. Is it me? Yeah. Sorry. I always get so confused with the draft order. Um Who's that? That's me. That's that's me being confused your voice. Uh Wait was that you doing an impression of yourself I will go With cotton candy mmm nice to pick nice literally. Yeah. So soft, it's air. Is air soft? Alright, who's next? Okay, my next pick, I'm gonna go with going to sleep early on a bachelor party.

Yep. Big time soft move. Yeah. I had a... Especially when everyone's there together, whooping it up. It's soft things though. That's the Mount Rushmore, not soft moves. Soft things? What's a soft thing? I had whoop it off. It's tough things though. That's the Mount Rushmore. Not soft thing Thank you. Yeah, I had taking a night off. Yes off things. Yeah, it's soft thing It's a soft thing to do got it not a soft thing to do Yep It is it is a saw if you went to sleep at nine o'clock on the first night of a bachelor party

I'd be like that's a soft thing to do, bro Yeah, it's a good pick. Okay All right right I'm gonna go I get to right yeah sorry good Lawson's rough sometimes I forget what I'm as me doing impression of has confused impression of Hank personal big cap okay my yeah it was impression of you me Hank was doing an impression of you earlier and then oh it was being sarcastic when he said he was doing an impression of himself. Got it. Yeah. What was the impression of me?

Is it my turn? Oh, okay, got it. All right, I'm gonna go with... Sorry. Sorry, I get lost. I know, me too. No, I can't exist. We have an impression off. I can't exist We have an impression off I

Can't even exist It's pretty good. Sorry for the listeners for that one. I was Hank. He just yawned. I'm gonna go with Calling fouls and pick up. Mm-hmm. Well Okay, I mean there's some times when you have to call a foul. Occasionally, but you know the type of foul I'm talking about. Yeah. And then, uh, toilet paper. Mm.

Soft. Um, all right, I'll go with, uh, running out the clock in a video game when you're playing head-to-head with someone. Mm-hmm. Like, kneeling, running out the clock. That is a soft move. Yeah. Play to to win the game play to have fun. Yeah, like just three minutes left And you just start running the ball and kneeling mm-hmm sucks soft What was the fuck?

Hank's just realizing I had punting and Madden was my only like non, but wait Hank. I thought you said that it was supposed to be soft things I'm gonna go with puppies Okay, okay. I I had puppies. I did too. I it's a great pick. I took puppies off because he said dog's ears Yeah, it's way different way. It's a good pick way different. Good job I'm gonna go with Ben Simmons. Mm, good pick. Good pick.

Now this next one. I'll go, I'll go soft pretzel. Ooh, okay. Good one. But is it soft? It's got the crunchy salt on there. It's got a little crust on it I do love a good soft soft But I wouldn't say that always the move off what I want you to can you? Can you name what I just said? Mm-hmm soft pretzel and

Yeah, that means that means that softer than a normal pretzel kind of like yellow cheddar cheese I'll wait for after what is there not yellow cheddar cheese? Yeah, there is what say I Don't want to give it I don't want to I'm done. I don't want to give anyone up Say it pussy Soft cheese is a thing thing I was gonna say between all the breeze of soft cheese I was just gonna say soft cheese okay Hank You gotta speak over here, Henry. He's just thinking.

I don't know what he's doing. I have a pick you wouldn't thought of, you haven't thought of, and I'm still debating whether I think it will look bad on a graphic, but it's also the softest thing in the world wearing he doesn't know where the sentence going matching outfits with your significant other oh nice they got soft yeah I kind of like it when when they do that in airports though it's like we're a team the whole Okay, I Have a pick. I think it's I think it's gonna ruin my draft, but it's also like to a family party I think it's gonna ruin my I think it's very personal. I think it's

What a child trying to get creative That was just like you you were just coming up on the fly. It was free ball. Yeah. All right. My last pick. It is the softest thing in the entire world, but I'm afraid that I'm going to get criticized by the AWLs, but that's fine. I'm going to do it because I have to stay true to myself. No pander pics like Max. Surprise you didn't do meatball. A newborn's skin is literally the softest thing in the world.

How's that gonna look on the graphic? Probably not good, but I don't care because I have to stay true to myself. Yeah? If you ever touch a newborn's skin, it's fucking insane. It's like. Did you wanna say baby's bottom, but but that no no because a newborn skin like Their hands their everything their head everything is like the softest thing you've ever felt

I had baby hair on my list baby hairs very soft isn't that a saying baby saw smooth smooth Okay, you do have that you have asses Yep, I did every yet Not nothing yeah no baby ass. I probably fucked myself there, but I'm gonna- All right, so you have butt cheeks, parentheses, not baby ass. Yeah. Butt cheeks above the age of 18. Yeah.

I probably fucked myself there, but if the parent listeners of this show come through for me, because it is a fact, It's the softest thing in the world. I mean, you're good. It doesn't matter. Why? It's a two-horse race. Well, no. If I keep losing. If you got boots with one one, there's nothing you can do. You just took wearing matching outfits with your significant other to a family function.

So? That's soft. You don't think you have any part in this at all? I still can't believe you didn't say soft serve it was right I put it on a cone for you Hank. I said yeah, is there any particular type whatever? I'm ready to play in some way okay. All right. Well. We don't know if it's true. Yeah, all right pfd your last pick okay? my last pick I'm gonna take I'm gonna run the football. I'm gonna say pillows. Hmm. No, we took pillows. I had it on there

Pillows is like the softest thing in the world. I like a hard pillow. Like one hard pillow one soft pillow same Okay, what got left off Billy football's hands yeah yeah soft hands good pick inside of a sweatshirt marshmallow sweatshirt marshmallows is good I should have soft cheese, mashed potato I'm upset I didn't say velour jumpsuit I had velour yeah your dick after you've been drinking jellyfish. Butter. I almost went Ben Simmons car. No butter. There's nothing worse. Like I feel like probably over half the time. I haven't thought about it. Restaurant. If you wait, what did he say? Rolls with hard

butter. Me? Yeah. What did you say? I almost went. I almost went. Ben Simmons. Carson went back to back. Butter. Yeah. No, I agree. The hard butter is the worst I Had going home before midnight in college. Yeah playing beer pong with water and a side beer Yeah, I think that happened after when I was in college But I've seen people do that and that's the softest fucking thing I've ever seen throwing flags on taunting Yeah, NFL taunting rules block blocking people on Twitter during an argument. I understand people block people on Twitter, but like when someone will get in an argument and then just block the person when they're about to reply, that's the softest thing in the world. Blocking

people on Twitter probably should have been taken. That would have looked really good on the thing. Yeah. Apologizing. Yep. Kind of soft. Never. I never apologize. Kickers when they have to make a tackle. Yep. Kneeling in the first half with timeouts in your pocket. I think that's soft. 45 seconds left. Fucking run a play. Hitting a guy after you gave up a home run to him. Did he pimp the home run?

It's soft though. Unwritten rules. Don't strike him out next time. Respect the rules. Strike him out. Not betting on the Super Bowl, soft. Or like not having an opinion on the Super Bowl. Soft. Telling on someone. Yeah. Getting mad about hard knocks. Yeah. I said getting mad about not talking on the podcast after you lose a game even though your teams

have won more championships than everyone else. That's a good one. Yeah. When you get one little loss talking on the podcast and then you just shut up and you literally only talk when your team wins which they do a lot. Yeah. You still can't not feeling out of March Madness bracket. That is soft. E-mailing your professor after they after emailing a random person's professor after they make fun of you online. Yeah. and asking them if they'll kick you out of class because you made a joke about branding. Actually though, Ravel also has like the hardest move when he put JFK's headshot in fucking

8K at like 8 in the morning. Yeah. Hank, do you have any honorable mentions by the way? Yeah. Hank, what are your honorable mentions? Hank went, he tapped out on his draft. What the fuck are you talking about? What do you got?

I gave him all marshmallows, jello, mashed potatoes, velour, jellyfish Jellyfish? Max, you don't fucking listen Uh, Huey, do you have the best of the rest? Cake Oh, cake? Soft serve cake or ice cream x took asses already Do you have any honorable mentions max oh?

Bunny rabbit I was in them shit. Oh, sorry bunny rabbit is pretty I said soft cheese I said kickers one kickers when they have to make a tackle you would have loved that pick Janikowski Jim any honorable mentions any honorable mentions, big cat? Yeah, I do. How about you? I already gave him. Getting mad at your co-hosts because you're so annoying and they're just so annoyed with you existing?

Hank. Missed that could have been a good pick. Just Hank. Yeah, missing breakfast and then making everybody's life run to hell. Complaining about Mount Rushmore every season. Every Mount Rushmore season. And then cheating on the rules that you gave out.

Someone tweeted me. I don't know if it's true or not. They said that you have been on record saying your wife helped you with picks before. Which one was it? Which wife? There was one. So you said that you got trouble. That's also in the bag. Yeah, I've gotten in trouble for picks. Also, that's

in the family that you can't you can't put us in jail. Right. I don't know. You went outside the family. I don't know how that works. Yeah, I'm pretty sure you can't pro. You can't. Can you not? If you're if you're seeing if another has to take the stand against you isn't there the privilege? Yeah, so thrown out Well wait Adriana went through that when she tried to go to that lawyer weren't married they weren't married yet She was thinking about getting married so she wouldn't have to testify But if it's and then Silvio killed her but if you're yeah No, I drove her out to that exit and she don't know what was gonna happen the example that I said when I said I did talk to people of text was I was getting chirped by someone on

Saturday for my sandwich draft and I was like shut up dude wait in real life Yes, and I was like like at a party. Yes It was someone I know but oh you're fucking sandwich draft dude sucked And I was like all right then fucking genius like let's hear some steroid users and they go uh Barry Bonds uh Lance they gave me nothing. Man in the arena. And I came in dead last man in there and that's what I said. Yeah that's fair. But you also the difference is she is maybe helped me with a pick or two. You said that Liam gave you all your picks for the pizza draft. Well that was also in a different that was a tainted error when you guys were. No no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no

no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no

no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no to try and mask it. I've also proven the taint wrong this year. That was a hard move by you, admitting that. Yeah, I'm mad. Did you just apologize? No, he just admitted that everything. He copped everything. I tried muddy the water. I actually always respect that in a TV show or a movie where the guy that's on the stand gets so pissed off at the prosecutor that they just admit to massive crime. That happened in the Young Thug Trial.

Yeah. I said, yeah, we went up and did that shit, talking about a shooting. And then was like, well, you told me nothing I could say would get used against me at court, right? No, that was big of Hank. He literally just admitted to it all. Yeah, it's hard.

He just said he sent it all out. Hard Hank. That was a hard move by you. I just got a call back from Racini. Let's see what she has to say to memes. Is this Diana Racini? Yes, this is Diana Rossini. Who am I speaking with? Hey, Diana, this is part of my take. Earlier today, memes said that you were... You're on the air. You'll have to tape. Earlier today, memes said that you were a system Florio

at this point for your reporting on Hasan Reddick. Do you have any comment to him? I think that memes need to understand that Mike Florio, Diana Rossini, Tom Pellicero, Adam Schefter, Ian Rapoport do not make the decisions for the New York Jets. New York Jets make the decisions for the New York Jets. So while he does not like the messenger of the news, it's not our fault. So I would say sorry, but I'm not really sorry.

Okay. I think that's fair. Memes, do you have any retort? Nope. All right, he doesn't have retort. You just put him in a body bag. Yeah, you've got him. You've got him.

Good job, Diana. All right, maybe he should follow me on Twitter and I can give him more gents. Oh! Oh, wow. So you don't even follow her on Twitter and you're complaining about her tweets. Huh. They follow her. That's soft.

That's soft. Wow, that is soft. That's real soft. Shut up, man. Oh, yeah. We talked about the Italian angler. I think he's got some self-loathing. Yeah, something is soft. That's real soft. Shut up, Hank. Oh, yeah. We talked about the Italian angler. I think he's got some self-loathing. Yeah, something's wrong.

It's basically if your name ends in a vowel, Memes doesn't like you. So I'm never going to forget this. That's true. OK, well, thank you, Dina. OK, bye, Max. Bye. That was soft by Memes, right, Hank?

Very soft. Insanely soft, Memes. All right, let's do Hot Seat Cool Tour. That was Great Mountain memes, right Hank? Very soft, insanely soft memes. All right, let's do Hot Seat Cool Torn. That was a great amount of Rushmore, guys. More open-ended ones if anyone wants to treat them at us. Those are the fun ones. Yep. Because Hank just always goes

with the most literal definition of it. Well, no, he gets mad at us for exploring the other options when he also has those other options. He's... He clud... I told you, I'm bad. A lot of my anger is just directed at myself through you guys. Hank, do you want me to help you with Mount Rushmore? I mean, again, the sanctity of this whole contest has been-

We're tied in last place, Hank. Not anymore. You're not out of it. You had boobs anyway. Yeah, I did have boobs. Yeah, boobs are great. That was pretty nice. Okay. We're tied in last place Hank not anymore. You're not Okay convenient, yeah very convenient although I'm the one who came up with it so not but you knew the order No, I do you're also doesn't you're I also don't know the order any time in the clear I don't know the order you just made fun of big cat for never knowing me Yeah, you said I don't know the order money in the water. You don't know how the order of like who's picking when oh god All right

So how would I rig it if I don't know the order dated a you're playing a long game? guys are so say of the order They never caught on for me to finish second place. Hey just lives life as devil's advocate That is unfortunate. I've got like this mastermind and I'm somehow my mastermind has me 11 points down from max It doesn't but it does it just can't come in last which I could still know Okay, let's do you might win Hank. Sometimes you you you think that you're gonna lose and you end up winning You can't beat boobs Okay, hot sea quilter on brought to you by our friends at Game Time. Did you know that

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All right, PFT, your hot seat, cool term. My hot seat is the Big Justice family. So I just found out who this family was yesterday. Costco guys. Costco guys. Is what they're more known for. Yeah, they're the Costco guys. Right.

So I've seen them so I've seen them I've seen them, but I've opted out of them And I'm sure that you guys have been through that over years yeah You see something that pops up online a trend and you're like I'm gonna opt out of it I learned about them. I don't want to be a hater you you fucked up Well, you can hate them, but the Rizler's electric. Yeah, which one's the Rizler the little guy, okay? So apparently they're on the hot seat because I'm hearing that the dad had this arranged.

He's been trying to go viral for years and years and years. Yeah, he has. Is that, am I getting it right? Pretty much every person who ends up going viral probably was trying. Is that the only problem that people have? There's rumors that maybe there's something else. I hope not.

I just saw someone being like, we're going to cancel Big Justice. Please don't. Leave Big Justice alone. So they do the boomer doom scale, right? Yeah, no. I mean, it's terrible internet, but I like it. What have they done doom? Do they ever do doom or is it always boom?

Yeah. Their cousin made a pizza with a bunch bunch of like gross shit on it and they doomed it. They doomed that one? Yeah. I need to well I just found out who they are so I'm like experiencing them for the first time. Just start just go to the Rizzler. They're fascinating. The Rizzler's electric. How many booms what's the scale? It's just a boom boom and then they can sometimes double boom. I thought it was more I thought it could be like three four five six booms sometimes they do the Yeah, like they'll add a bunch of buzz before yeah, cuz it sounds like the ball scale boom

No, it's it's really just boomer doom Okay, just one boomer what it's binary Hank doesn't like him. No. He's very upset Sometimes can't exist sometimes. They'll go to a place and they'll like pick between two items Yeah, and there's they're supposed to boom or doom One of the items but then they both kind of end up they kind of end up booming both of them And they'll sometimes have the same clubs guys on who are the Indian father and son. Yeah, that's kind of cool. See Hank. It's like this. I'm sorry. Let's get together I'm starting to think that Hank has a little anti-italian discrimination with them

No, I mean listen anyone can do their thing. I'm happy that they're they're popular I'm usually don't share my my hater opinions Would you like it more if they were on a golf course doing golf videos? I it's not really my issue is not with them I do think it's like an internet hive mind personality like oh these girls are electric. They're so funny like they're not well It's like people see other people saying they like them and then they Mind brain rot like oh, can I says the flavor of the month we love these guys throw something out there. No you don't So there's this thing called irony

I Don't but no I think I think that there's like there's that section of the world where people understand irony And there's just like the sheep that are like oh yeah like we fucking love big justice I think it's like a lot of things on the internet where it might be fun to watch but then when you find yourself explaining what it is you like actually you guys just actually it made me want you start to like it less when you explain what it is because yeah no I know yeah dude don't do that to the Rizzler I like the Rizzler I guess Rizzler did nothing wrong no we didn't need 400 foot to the Rizzler. I like the Rizzler, I guess. Rizzler did nothing wrong.

No, he didn't. It's 400 foot box. No, the Rizzler is funny. And what's Little Justice? I have no issue with Little Justice. The Rizzler does sick bike tricks. Yeah, he does. Have you seen the bike trick?

Almost five bike tricks. You were talking about the boom guys. He did a video where he said he was going to do five bike tricks, and then he came back. He did one, and he was like, I kind of ran out of time. No the other Which we I mean practicing yeah showing safety is good on the internet. Yeah, it is. That's a good point Yes, yeah, I appreciate that. I didn't know that this was gonna have such a spirited conversation around it. Well, thanks a hater. Yeah, it's okay. Yeah Not publicly except for this. I'm a cults kid. Yeah, I was just about to say you hate you hate

That's what's so yeah, that was a raw reaction It was I had I didn't realize that the course of that are it's the same as our God is an awesome guy Yeah, I love says was flow. He stole that from church and Seth the flow saw it and everyone commented He was like, thanks to part of my take for shouting me out and all the comments were like Hank such a hater will get him Yeah, I don't want to be a hater this is just my like I saw what his shit I don't like it. I'm gonna give you what do you want me to say? I'm gonna give your attitude today a doom Yeah, that's why I will do okay. I'll try. I'll try and watch some more

I'll come around I like see they did the Los Polos the problem is I'll try and watch some more. I'll come around. I like see they did the Los Polos The problem is the only Video and his dad. Oh, you're only idea is mini golf. No, there's there's that's the stolen joke Yeah, well, it's a good joke. It's true. Yeah, it was good joke. You didn't make it This was Funny him and his dad his dad like said the same thing is who the fuck are these I get another Italian Kid he's like who the fuck are these guys started talking shit And then everyone was like the Rizzo is gonna get you the Rizzo is gonna get you then they all did a stream together

That was funny. That was that was fun. We made the bronx again. I like five minutes again I think the more you explain, but yes, I like yes. Yeah, I just want to watch the videos and then smile Yeah, it's yeah, it's but that's fine. It's the internet. It's like supposed to be do you everyone? Yeah, I'm not I'm not like I'm not saying cuz I think one way you should but yes He's been trying to go viral for a very long time. He was he was a former In independent wrestler. Oh, that's awesome. Yeah, so he's Got this in him. He's about that content Yeah, like the people who found his early videos, like don't realize he was also a wrestler

going on the independent circuit. You tell me an independent circuit wrestler wants to go, wants to make money going viral online, no duh. Yeah, I mean, sometimes when you're an inventor, it takes you a few dud inventions until you get something awesome. People laughed at the, at Steve Jobs. Steve Jobs.

They fired him from Apple. Got fired, then he took a loan, and then he came back and crushed him. Yeah. Hank would have been such a Steve Jobs. He fired him from Apple. Got fired. Then he took a loan. And then he came back and crushed him. Yeah. Hank would have been such a Steve Jobs hater. Oh my god. Yeah. Biggest.

Because he doesn't golf. That's the problem. Hank's only YouTube videos are golf. If I went to your algorithm right now. There's one other thing. Boobs? What? Who? Billy Strinks. Oh, yeah. There's one other thing boobs what Billy strings

Imagine if Billy strings did a golf video good good Great yeah, Billy strings come on the show do a video with us. Okay, you're cool So my cool throne is chest controversies. Have you guys heard of the chest controversy? Another butt plug? Uh, no, this is, it's different. It's much more sinister than the butt plug. There's a Russian grandmaster, I think she is. She was competing in a tournament against her opponent who's from Dagestan. And before the tournament, they caught her on camera.

She snuck into the room, went up to the board that they were about to play, and smeared something on her opponent's pieces and on her side of the board. And then her opponent got deathly sick. Oh. Almost died. Oh. So they went back.

They reviewed the footage. It turns out that she sprayed mercury onto her side of the chessboard and almost killed her opponent. Holy shit. So there's no butt plug stuff in chess now. Hardcore. They're actually trying to kill each other. Yeah.

It's almost like Belichick stuff. That's very hardcore. Belichick mate. OK, my hot seats. This happened late Sunday after we recorded. But Matt Kuchar, what a dickhead. What a douchebag. The worst.

What did he do? Oh, Hank's going to defend him. Nice. OK, I like this. This is spicy. The. I like this. It's not spicy. Uh, the Wyndham championship, uh, there were, so they, they had bad weather Thursday and Friday. They had to fit in a bunch of rounds on Saturday and Sunday. The course, the, the grounds crew did an incredible job. They got the whole thing in. Matt Kuchar was in 12th place, didn't mean anything for

the FedEx Cup, didn't mean anything for pretty much anything, hits into the group ahead of him on 18, and then just picks up his ball and leaves and says it's too dark, and came back on Monday to finish half a hole while everyone else had finished. So made people come back and sit there. It was actually very funny watching everyone clap. Douchebag move. Did he make his putt? I think he got the exact score. He's going to get a par. He stayed at 12. So he too putted. So Hank, no, he was like halfway up the fairway when he came back. Okay, Hank, you're I'm not defending him because Matt Kuchar

is a documented scumbag. He won a tournament. He had like a fill in caddy. He won like I think a million and a half or $10 something paid his caddy like five grand. Yeah. I remember that. And there's been some other examples of him being a scumbag. So I think in this case it probably is just him being a scumbag. But I did see a golf journalist who had a thread breaking down why he might've been doing it basically saying that he was in the last group and the person he was playing with Was had a four-shot lead he had to play in the dark He kind of blew his lead and the group in front of them was playing super super slow all day There's a like a couple long videos of the guy who won. I think Ry that the two glove guy

Taking like four minutes on putts like taking forever and that Kucher was basically standing up for the guy who lost the lead but he didn't say it like which is obviously not and also did but didn't that guy finish he chose to finish but he put Kucher was saying like he was just you know he was going through the motions he didn't say this but this is what the guy was saying that maybe he was just, you know, he was going through the motions. He didn't say this, but this is what the guy was saying that maybe he was just trying to set a example of like the guy should have been playing faster in front of them. You got to take a stand. But that's not it. How is that taking? I don't know how that takes a stand for the guy he's playing with. If the guy he's playing with was like, Oh, good call. Matt Kuchar. I'll

come back Monday too. I understand. Well, at that point he was already out of the league. He already had lost. Sounds like he's taking him being a jerk and twisting it into here's why I'm actually a hero. Did Matt Kutcher write this article that you read Hank? No. And he, his, the other point he said, the other point he said, the other point that he said was that if Matt Kutcher had just come out and said all this, instead of doing the little coy shit, people probably would have had his back, but he didn't. That's true. If he had, if he had had been public about why he was doing that ahead of time.

I'm looking back now at the caddy controversy where he paid his caddy five grand. And then later on, Kutcher said that McElroy cost him $300,000 due to the two-point advantage in their season-long FedEx scup race. And then Rory said, and we all know what that money means to him. So apparently, it's cheap. Oh, super cheap. And like a documented kind of scumbag. Maybe. So how about this flights?

They're cheaper on Mondays. True. But he had to stay an extra day. Way cheaper. We had to stay an extra day. PGA Tour had a funny tweet because they do like the, you know, every shot from like Brooks Kepa winning the U.S. Open or whatever, and they show a million shots. They did every shot from Matt Couture's finish Monday morning, and it was just three shots. Oh, I love that. Yeah, there's like a couple of random people clapping. Okay. And then my cool drone is Trump's comedic bone because he did the Elon Musk Twitter space. And listen,

we don't get political on this podcast, but the retelling of the high stakes stare down with Putin was one of the hardest times I've ever laughed. I'll play it for you. This is his telling of Putin and Trump negotiating the start of a war and what was going to happen. Again, I said to Vladimir Putin, I say, don't do it. You can't do it. Vladimir, you do it. It's going to be a bad day. You cannot do it. And I told him things that what I do. And he said, no way. And I said, way. That's it. I mean, that's

fucking fun. That's what all negotiations are, by the way. That's the way. That's the subtext to every negotiation ever way. Just say way and walk away. Yeah. It's a five year old response. He got him with yeah. Way deep down inside. We are all five year old. Yes. Yes. No way. Way. Uh, okay. Huey, my hot seat, the WNBA. Oh, okay. I got a real story here. This one is legit. So there's a woman by the name of D'Erica Hamby. She was on our three by three women's basketball team. Okay. She is in a little dispute right now with the League of the WNBA and the Las Vegas Aces. Oh. So I'll give you the rundown before I give you the headline.

Okay. That's how it usually goes. Yup. When you read an article, yeah. In June 2022, she signed a contract extension. In July 2022, she got pregnant. Okay. And then what comes out afterwards a baby well

she she she alleges that in the following months that the Las Vegas Aces were but quote-unquote unhappy with her and She she's alleging that they were they so essentially in the contract She had she was supposed to have team-provided housing, she was supposed to have team provided housing and she was supposed to have tuition, school tuition for her daughter's private elementary school. She had an older kid. Older daughter, yeah. And she is alleging that the Vegas Aces did not give her that on top of the fact that they essentially wanted to trade her and wanted to push her out because

she signed a big enough contract that they said was enough for two to three players. You know the contract was a big enough contract. She's averaging 20 points, 10 rebounds right now. She's doing very well. But the contract essentially they essentially wanted a few different players for her contract, is what Las Vegas is saying. Wait, so read us the headline. Wait, so the Las Vegas Aces, they're owned by who again?

What football player has an ownership stake in them, big cat? Tom Brady. Yeah, that's interesting, because this doesn't sound like something Tom Brady would do to a pregnant woman, kick her out. Read us the headline. So the official headline is?

She is essentially that the... Oh, I got it right here. Sparks, D'Erica, Hamby, Sue's WNBA, Ace's Alleging Discrimination. I think you should have read the headline first. I don't know. It's kind of unorthodox. Well, hear me out. So this is the second time they're going into the investigation. Oh first time the Las Vegas Aces Lost their 20-25 first round pick for a pregnant lady for a pregnant woman. Whoa So essentially and she's saying that the WNBA did not do a good enough job So essentially they're going back. They didn't learn their lesson. She wants them to go back and go through all that.

And also have to pay for her money, the money she lost, her lawyer fees, all that extra stuff. Yeah, which they should do. Which stuff that also, this would never happen in the NBA. Correct. I don't think they get pregnant. You can't pregnant pregnant.

Yeah. Can you imagine if like football players, if male football players could get pregnant and you're psyched about the upcoming season? Yeah. And then you find out Jalen Hurts is going to have a kid. So he's going to be out all season. Yeah. Yeah. That's the discourse that would that would surround the league. Yeah. Yeah. And essentially, that's why the Aces in her her words are saying why they she was they weren't happy with her Yeah, because they signed this big contract and she got pregnant. She gets pregnant a month later. Well, that's not I mean her fault

Yes, you should be able to get pregnant. I agree You should get pregnant when you want to get there and sometimes you don't plan it Yeah, and it was literally a month after she like probably got yeah started having sex with her once you got a big paycheck Yeah, that's true to celebrate. Yeah. Yeah paycheck. Yeah, that's true. To celebrate. Yeah. Paycheck. Yeah, paycheck sex. Guys love money. Yeah, we love chicks with money. All right, and your cool thrown?

Oh, my cool thrown? The Dallas Cowboys. Oh. They are the first league franchise in, I think, US sports to surpass the $10 billion evaluation. Good. No one's got more money than JJ. Yeah. And I love this. Good. I love this. No one's got more money than JJ. Yeah.

And I love these lists. They're kind of like the US News and World top ranking of colleges. Yeah. Where it's like, none of this, it's all made up. Every school has been at least rumored to be one of the top 10 party schools in the United States. Yes.

And every school is also like, they're the small IVs, the public IVs. Yeah. But it's the price is what it sells for. Yeah. The price is the price. Yeah. I don't know. They say that he could sell the team for 10 billion dollars. But again, it doesn't matter if no one wants to buy it for 10 billion. I think Jerry Jones would buy the team right now for 10 billion from himself. Yeah. How come they can't pay Dak and CD then?

It's a good point. It's a good point Should be able to future should be able to take a look at some of it. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. Take a second mortgage out Okay, let's get to our interviews. We got Peter Schroeder We're going to talk a little hard knocks and then we have Mickey Hart and Wright Thompson Pft you got a couple words before that Yes before we get to our interviews with Peter Stregger, I want to talk to you about my favorite people in the entire world, my favorite sunglasses for sure, and that would be Shady Rays.

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He has the Hard Knocks podcast. He has Good Morning Football. He's a reporter on Fox. He does everything. Does anyone here call you the Schragermeister? No, I like that. I like that. Nice cold glasses Schragermeister. Can I show you what else I am? Yeah. Possession of this book. Is that me? This is the Aaron Rodgers unauthorized biography. I got a copy. I'm flipping through it on about 100 pages in. Let's go. Okay, there's probably a lot of slander in there. I love the unauthorized biography. On the Bears. All right, so before we start, we should just address this was a win tonight

for the three old guys sitting right here. We're not going to rub it in because it is live now on Max, but there was a delay getting the Hard Knocks episode up and I know that PFT and I have been belittled ridiculed mocked for years now because we refused to cut the cord Tonight was our Super Bowl because we got to watch Hard Knocks live and everyone else was mad about an app So credit to us guys for never giving up. We did it. We did it guys. I knew this time would come and it's interesting you call it the Super Bowl. I thought of it more like training camp. This is like training camp for football season, especially college football season when you know

that there will be certain apps out there that aren't going to work on Saturday and you're going to need these reps in the preseason to know that you need a redundancy plan in place. You need to know that you have good old fashioned cable, nothing wrong with it. Failing to prepare is preparing to fail. So just let's use this opportunity to get better. I pay 200 plus dollars a month to a cable provider every single month. I barely even turn on the TV, but it's all in preparation for this moment. I think it's akin to, you

know, you see that Michael Rubin fanatics white party and like those who are in the know are there and they're all partying and we're all on the outside looking in watching all of these bears media members be like, does anyone have HBO action? And like just us like taking photos of it and like doing selfies. Like I felt like we were at the party and they were all the outside looking in. It felt pretty good. I've said it before, but I have a dear friend who cut the cord. It was probably like eight years ago and maybe it was,

it maybe it was like six years ago and I was over his house for the USC, Ohio state, whatever bowl game they were playing in. And his stream kept on buffering and I had a lot of money on the game. And it was at that moment that I was like, I always have to have a backup plan. I know this is gonna cost me too much money, but I don't care.

I have to be able to watch my sports live. And tonight we won. So Schrager, it was actually a great episode. It felt like they got back to football. It was like, and they spread the ball around. Last first episode was a lot of Eberfluss. Tonight was like, you know, Keenan Allen, Roma Dunze. We had DJ Moore moment, Jonathan Owens.

So you watched these before, right? Do you get these before us? I get them like a few hours before they go live so I can do them. And then I get, then I interview a guest each week. So the first week I interviewed Erlacher who was amazing. And then this week I just got off the phone with Ryan Poles who has also seen the episode and the GM and I were talking back and forth about it a little bit. And to your point, the first week was a lot of setting up characters.

Here's Ibra Fluss's glow up. We're gonna talk about his Ryan Reynolds hair. This week we get Jalen Johnson and we get Keenan Allen going at it, one on one at practice, actual football and great access that we don't typically get to see when we just have the shaky cam footage from training camp where someone's watching from like the crowd.

Yeah. It was awesome. And then it sounds like Keenan Allen was conceding that, you know, yeah, this guy's been beating me all, like this guy had the best of me. So, Bear's offense gets a lot of press, but like this was the episode for the Bears defense that I was gonna do. I know, it was.

And so I have to ask, everyone should go listen to your Hard Knocks podcast, but can you tell us what, maybe a quick summary of what Ryan Pohl's is feeling? I mean, I love him, but where's he at mentally with this team? Yeah, there was a quick little moment in the beginning of the episode, we was talking to Ian Cunningham, who is kind of his

number two in Chicago. And he's like, have you noticed that Caleb's getting a little better on film? Like, he's picking it up a little bit the rhythm. And he's like, huh. So he was talking about every single day, like Caleb's picking up things that he didn't have the day before. He's picking up coverages that he didn't see week one now in week two, but I thought was great. I was like, I kind of liked Caleb in Episode one, because for that

rookie show, you can go up there and he could be like, here's my college fight song or like, here's my favorite, like new hip hop song. Instead, Caleb comes out, he's horrible singing John Legend's Ordinary People and like, they're throwing shit at him and he just gets the piss taken out of him, and he's smiling and he's laughing. And he's an equal with Tyson Bajan to Austin Reed and Brett Rippon, and you're like, I like this guy.

So I'm like, you have to like that. And he's like, no, dude, that's Caleb. He has never been an entitled guy. He comes right in and he's one of the guys. And he's like, if you think he's shitty singing, you've gotta see him golf. And the best part about it is he's a horrible golfer. But like he comes out there and he like takes the swings and like is not as not scared. A lot of these athletes have too much pride.

Like Caleb's like, I suck at golf, I'm gonna play and I don't care. And that's the ultimate confidence. So like they're all happy. It's going well. Yeah, yeah. It does seem like like they're pretty happy with him. I wonder if if polls would have done the podcast, if Caleb Williams hadn't played that well in preseason week one. Because we got to see him go out there and do stuff that only a couple people can do in the NFL with his arm. And so he's like, yeah, probably a little bit of relief from Ryan Poles. Like, okay, at least I know I'm not a complete moron for taking this guy. I did get this booked on Sunday night. So that does make sense. The game was The game was Saturday. I, one last thing on polls. I thought it was interesting because

a lot of these guys clam up when it's not like football. I was like, you were in Kansas city when they drafted Mahomes, but you were also in Kansas city when they drafted Kelsey. Like would you have ever thought, he's like, what? He's like, no, I would have never thought like at that time that Kelsey would get through his rookie year. He was crazy. He's like, that's why we love Travis because you know, Andy Reed found a way to make it work. And like he said that he and Kelsey saw each other before a game last year. And the two of them did like the Paul Rudd, Sean Evans meme of like, look at us.

And he's like, I'm a GM and he's like an update in the number one pop star in the world. And it's like the two of them had a huge embrace sort of like, all right, so Paul says a personality. He was pretty cool. Yeah, he is. Uh, other quick hitters, cause we was pretty cool. Yeah, he is. Other quick hitters, because we have some questions,

Schrager, about the rest of the NFL. And we don't want to do all bears. But these are just notes I took down, PFT, so you can add in anywhere. I love that they're scouting the refs. That was pretty cool. Craig Rollstrad. I believe that gentleman's name is Harry Fre Fried. I go deep. The kid who

is talking to Caleb and is like, look, he's an athletic director in Seattle and this is what he does. You're going to see him once a week. That's how deep this is. I've never seen that before. That was cool. Yeah. That was very cool. I think I'm like private investigators for the refs. It's smart. Yeah. I loved seeing the scene at the Museum of Ice Cream just because I've been to the Museum of Ice Cream three times both in New York City I didn't know it's like a chain because they can I took my

He's a history buff Well, listen you go to the one in New York City is the one in Chicago the same Oh, I go to the one in Chicago again. So it's kind of like a hill stone like a hill stone in any city I'm trying that French dip there I have to I have no problem saying I've been at the Museum of Ice Cream three times That's I I'm not I'm not worried about and then the the other one and this one was like a very dad moment DJ more before the game in Buffalo his daughter being like what's the bumblebees name and if and like that's if you have kids, that's the most kids thing ever where like the world could be on fire and your kid is just like, this is for that one song. Yeah, play that one song we listened to three weeks ago that has the cat in it. And I'm like, I don't fucking know what song this is and how and how up to date like if came out like in June. So I'm like, Wow, that's not saying frozen. That's not Beauty and the Beast That's not Aladdin like give me the if character. I'm like if I don't even where'd you find if okay again cable guy here?

I don't even know where to find if that's incredible. Okay. I stupidly didn't plug my mic in after I spent The first 10 minutes being like oh, I'm a genius for not cutting cords. And look at me. That was the most karma thing ever. So you could hear me through my headphone, my my air phone. Or I actually have, you know, wired headphones. You hear me through that mic now and plugged into my actual mic. Holy shit. That was a perfect way to start the show for me to be like victory lap. And then, hey, you are the old fuck.

PFT. Any other thoughts about hard knocks before we talk about Schrager about other camp stuff? Yeah, I just made a quick list of three things that big cats gonna get mad about during card. I didn't get mad at all. Well, let me get to him. Let's see if you got mad because last week he got mad about a few things. How they portrayed our dear sweet Caleb Williams. Yeah, the first thing is I just predicted that big cat would yell at Max for not pressing the

button. Did not. So maybe this is growth. Maybe this is progress. Number two, you remember last week when you got upset when they showed Caleb Williams on screen when somebody used the word grinder? I was joking. I was wondering if this week you got upset when Caleb was having trouble putting his

shoulder pads on. No doubt. And then Rome was like, hey Rome, can you get my strap on? Sounds like you're thinking about me while you're watching Hard Knocks. Just sexually. Only sexually. Yeah. That was pretty much it, honestly, because I feel like you would probably agree with Austin Reed when he got upset at Sean McDermott for challenging that position. All Austin Reed wanted was just one completion.

Yeah. What is Sean McDermott doing? Let's, come on, let's be nice. Let's spread the ball around a little bit here. Can I shout out Austin Reed's parents? We are a correct production team. I'm like, give me this parents names. These people are great.

Jen and Tom Reed and they went to every one of his games from Southern Illinois to West Florida to Western Kentucky. And now he's been to Canton and Buffalo. I'm off. I'm for those guys. Those are my favorite people. Good people. They're all I also had on my list that you would get upset at HBO Max because you thought that maybe they they were intentionally not letting people see the good Caleb Williams plays this week. No, again, I was watching on cable.

So I was not mad. Listen, my my complaints about the first week, I admitted that I was maybe a little triggered, but there also were some real complaints in there. Uh, they showed football this week. I wanted to see football and that's what they did. They showed a lot of football and they sp and again, they spread the ball around. Like I want to see everyone on the team. And it felt like that this week where they were giving a bunch of guys some love There you know like at the end when they were given Austin Booker some love like it was just I loved it Like you're learning about running back at a Howard. He got a lot of love. Yeah, right, right Villas Jones fumbled the ball. I've seen that before many times

Then he had some nice runs. But yeah, I, I, I have no complaints about this week's episode. I thought they did a great job. Also, I don't think that Simone Biles is human when they showed her climbing up that rope. That's just crazy. As a guy that used to like jump up and then quickly put one arm above the other and then just fall. The fact that she can climb a rope to the ceiling in like three seconds is insane. Did you guys have that? The presidential like fitness, the national fitness? I was never presidential. At least national. I couldn't do like the flex arm hang long enough. Yeah. Oh, you did the flex arm hang? Yeah, not good.

Didn't do the pull ups? Yeah. Yeah. It's not easy. Yeah. Yeah. I had, I always had trouble with the mile run. I was always like 30 seconds too slow to get presidential in that. Yeah. Yeah. Um, all right. Schrager, give us three big stories that are going around

in training camp right now and uh, what's happening and maybe just some details. Cause you, you're plugged in everywhere. Yeah. I've been to a few of them. Um, and I'll say like one of the, the cool things at Jets camp when I was there was that the Hassan Reddick story is like almost like a non-factor. I'm not minimizing it. It's a crazy situation that you have a star pass rusher demand, not demand, but request a trade, get traded, and they somehow didn't sign him to a long-term deal before they brought

him in the building and he did the press conference and now he's not there and wants to be traded again. they brought him in the building and he did the press conference and now he's not there and wants to be traded again, but like It's I live in New York City. I'm amongst all these jet fans It's like last year they were burned so badly and they're like so scarred that they're not letting themselves get excited Of all the practice I've been to the crispest practice I was was that was that this jets one and it's like they're really good on paper They're really good on paper last year, but they added three really good offensive linemen to protect Rogers. They added players on defense. Like I'm trying not to get too excited because you know, I've been down this road

with the Jets, but I'd say the Jets are running a very crisp, nicely somewhat under the radar training camp. And in a year where it looks like the Patriots, the Dolphins, and even the Bills might be taking a step back from where they were last year. Like this, I don't know. I don't want Jeff fans to get too excited because I get it, but like that was one of the Christmas practices I've been to all summer, maybe in the last couple of summers. Oh, interesting. I like that.

What about Brandon Ayuk? Is he going to get traded or are we just going to play the Will Brandon Ayuk get traded game all year? I do this daily morning show and it's like we have 32 teams and we have so many stars. In multiple days, we've started talking about Brandon Iuke and it's just like, now here's the wild thing with that situation. They thought they had a deal, then both sides went dark and then it was like, oh, wait, well, they're the Patriots, but then Brandon Iuke, I'm not going to the Patriots. So it's really down to one team, the Steelers right now.

And apparently there's a framework in place, but you need Ayuka and the Niners to agree upon it. The Steelers aren't budget. Here's the crazy thing. His agent's a guy named Ryan Williams, who's a big agent in the league, whatever. They have a bunch of guys. Ryan Williams and John Lynch are lifelong buddies, best buddies. Ryan Williams invited John Lynch to his wedding.

Like they are that tight. So there's personal, personal connections in this thing where to me that tells me, all right, at the end of the day, if those are the two people who are running the business operation in this situation, like they'll find a way to get Iyuk dressed and with the Niners and playing with this team. And there'll be a contract that both sides are happy with

and the Niners can go to bed at night. But like for them to go and like dig their heels in on this one and then for IUX people to be like, well, he just, he cannot take up, take a step on the field until he gets more money. Like, I just have to think they both, they're in the, it's a beneficial place for both of them. Like, let's just get it done

and find a way to make it happen. Wait, you said that he invited John Lynch to his wedding. Did John Lynch go to his wedding? Did he attend the wedding? John Lynch was at the wedding. Like lifelong friends. He was at the wedding. Yes. Okay. Well, yeah. Would you rather lead off? Like good morning football, would you rather lead off for the next two weeks with talking

about the Dallas Cowboys every day? No. Or talking about Brandon Iuke? You know, it's funny because our show is on so early. So like, I always make this argument and you guys can appreciate this. I'm like, there are not that many Niners fans up right now. Like, I don't know if we need to start the first hour of the show talking about a second wide receiver on the 49ers, but I think it's a universal theme when you

get the player that's like, I'm not coming to camp, but I am at camp, but I'm not taking part in practice. So, uh, yeah, I don't know. Cowboys that I am at camp, but I'm not taking part in practice. So, yeah, I don't know. Cowboys, that might sell better, but the IU thing is more timely. So, and then the last one that I had a question about is what are the Vikings going to do with JJ McCarthy? Yeah. Look, that was, that's crappy news that we just got it today. Obviously, that his knee's messed up and hopefully he'll be back. But that wasn't necessarily the plan week one anyway. The way I saw it or the way that I've been hearing it is that like, and I know you can roll your eyes because we've seen Darnold, the Jets

with the Panthers, with the Niners. We've seen Sam Darnold, right? We get what we're getting. Still in his 20s and like everything I've heard is that like as great as JJ McCarthy's been like Darnold's been even better in camp. They signed him to a $10 million deal. They feel confident that Darnold was gonna start anyway out of the gates. So this gives time for McCarthy, but that's a really good situation for Sam because it's Kevin O'Connell,

who's a former quarterback in the NFL. It's Josh McCown, who's an 18 year veteran in the NFL. He's the quarterback's coach out there. And then you've got Addison, Jefferson, Aaron Jones, and of course that great offensive line. So like if Darnold was ever going to have a chance to get out and have a good start, it's with this team and what they have. Um, the McCarthy thing, it's unfortunate because I think everyone was excited, but again, 21 year old kid, like super young, I don't think they were rolling him out out of the gates the first month of the season anyway. Yeah.

So it sounds like they'll probably take the more cautious approach. It does suck. It sucks beyond belief to have your rookie quarterback have that, but you also have to think long term. It's not just this season. They're not in win now mode. Yeah. I, you know, PFT, I'll tell you this. You know, I talk to Cliff all the time, uh, the offensive coordinator in Washington. Like everyone's happy and polls is thrilled with I'll tell you this, I talk to Cliff all the time, the offensive coordinator in Washington, everyone's happy and Poles is thrilled with Caleb

and I talked to Sean Payton and he's thrilled with Bo Nicks, like you have no idea how good this kid is, great. Like what they're getting out there in Washington, I'm not trying to get you too gassed up here, but like holy shit bro, like they're talking, this guy is the real deal in Washington and Jaden Daniels has been everything they were hoping for and more in training camp as far as leadership, as far as on the field. We saw him attempt three passes, but how calm did he look in that preseason game

against the Jets just moving the ball right up the field? Yeah. Dan Quinn called him Top Gun, which is an awesome nickname. He just buzzed the tower, he didn't get permission. But the first pass that he threw, Dan Quinn needs to teach him, we're too close for missiles, let's switch to guns. Because the first one that he threw on that little screen pass went like six feet over his head. I'm going to chalk that one up to adrenaline. It's just punch.

The rest of it. He had family in the building, it was a noon start. He was ready to go, man. Yeah. I like how you said, I'm not going gonna gas you up too hard. And then you're like, holy shit, bro. Like, I'm gas. I can't get any more gassy than I am right now. I haven't felt this way in a long time. Maybe I'm maybe I'm just desperate to have any like shred of positivity or hope. But um, yeah, I'm

getting drunk on all the Jaden Daniels Kool-Aid. So I'm happy that you told me that. You said earlier that the Jets looked like they were having a pretty good camp. Things look crisp. I know you don't want to trash any teams, but can we put it this way? Which teams so far in camp have had the most questions? Yeah, I'm curious what we get with the Patriots and I know Hank is a key part of this group here. I just, new coach, rookie quarterback, the preseason debut for all of them didn't do

anything to blow anyone's hair back. This could be a really interesting transition here in New England. To have IU so openly say, I'm not going to New England, everyone just shrug their shoulders and nod, it's a new like, I'm not going to New England. Everyone just kind of shrug their shoulders and nod. Like that's, it's not, it's a new era. I'll just say that. Yeah. The counterpoint, Joe Milton.

Maybe he saw Joe Milton play and he was like, ah, maybe. That's it. Fans of Michigan, fans of Tennessee, fans of college football have been hearing about Joe Milton for years. I think he's got a great rocket arm and we had him on Good Morning Football last year.

He's a really good kid, but you know, you go on the sixth round and accuracy has always been an issue. So I wouldn't, I wouldn't put Milton ahead of me just yet. It's phase one. We're in phase one of the Joe Milton experience and anyone that's, that's paid attention to him in the past, you know what's coming, but just enjoy the ride. Enjoy it, enjoy it. And they used to do this with, I want to say, it's either like Michael Bishop or Rohan Davey. Like they would, they would take out Brady at the end of a

half and they would throw in one of these just like rocket armed guys just to throw the Hail Marys at the end. Like Belichick used to do that. I got, I think it was Michael Bishop from Kansas State. Um, I, I would not be shocked if we saw Joe Milton just throw a couple bombs during this season and they put him in there just to let him get one of those deep throws before the end of the half. I have something for you guys. Yeah. Okay. I am so jealous of that Rob Dierdreck ridiculousness studio you guys have in Chicago where I'm at all hours watching just fun games happening. Big Cat, I live in Brooklyn, obviously used to live here. And I don't know since you left, but there's a

craze in Brooklyn and it's in Dumbo. And it's the sport called puddle. Yeah, you're aware of what puddle is? No, I played it. I played it. Okay. Yeah, the sworn enemy of pickleball. Evil twin. So it's, it's two on two. It's like pickleball, but you can go in the kitchen and all this thing. It's more tennis than pickleball, but there's glass walls and you bang it off the walls. And I've been playing it all summer. They have it at a in Dumbo. And I am telling you guys, if you built a Padel Court in that Chicago gymnasium of yours, I will fly out once a week and I will play with you. I am so addicted to this sport.

It's not just me. I'm at the court and like Andrew Schultz, the comedian walks in, he plays name drop, doesn't say hello to me, doesn't know who the fuck I am, but like still he's there. There are other people that like it's gaining steam and I feel like you guys would love it and big cat is so up your alley where it's like no, it's not tennis You're not gonna be you're not gonna be that's what they're trying to do They just they're trying to basically figure out different ways to play tennis, which is a boring sport to play Oh, oh, let's make it smaller stayed off the walls. Like hey, can you just admit tennis is boring? No, how dare you? Pft. Did you love it when you played? Okay. So I played one time and I got my ass kicked by a 65 year old. Okay. It's all these boomers are creating games that they just don't even have to move. They're so, they're so good at it and they know all the angles and they know how to like

hit it off the wall and wait for it off the wall and hit it at just the right angle. It was all angles. But like, you sweat your ass off. I remember when you were doing those basketball workouts and I was so jealous of you. I'm like, yes, that looks fun. You're getting a sweat in. This is what this is. No, no, no, no.

Because the Boomers have created games where they basically shrunk tennis so they can stand in one place and be like, I worked out. That's what they're doing. I'll tell you, you will sweat your ass off in this one. I think the boomers created these sports just so they can stick it to millennials. Yeah. So they can just kick the shit out of us at a sport and be like, see, I told you guys, they never, they never sell their houses. So no one our age can own a house. They never leave their jobs. So they never want to leave the presidency. They just, they just, now they ruin all of our sports and recreation. I'm going to forget it.

And what's the theme about all these sports? They just take a sport that already exists and just make it significantly smaller so they can cover all the ground. It's ridiculous. I will not stand for Padel. All right. I have one, I have one last question. Uh, Schrager it's a row back question. R H O B A C K.com promo code. Take 20% off your first purchase. Cuseps, polos, hoodies, joggers, shorts. Who is going to be the week one starter in Pittsburgh? I think Russell Wilson. Yeah. I don't know the status of his calf. I just know that when they brought him in,

it was like, they put tunnel vision on there. Like Russell's our guy. Like we're good. Like just feel that when they brought him in, it was like they put tunnel vision on there like Russell's our guy, like we're good, like just feel that and fields wouldn't. It's ironic because I remember covering this is going to date me. I remember covering the Seahawks in like 2012 when your guy Russell Wilson showed up there and it was the late Tavares Jackson and it was Matt Flynn and everyone was like, it's an open competition and Russell was a third round pick and won the job outright. That's what they're saying in Pittsburgh. And I think like the irony is like it would have to take Justin Fields to have a lights out undeniable preseason and it would have to maybe take a not a hundred percent Russell Wilson with that calf for fields to start week one. But

I think I think the plan is Russell Wilson week one. I think so too. Yeah. What about your guy, Canales? What about the, do we have any Canaleses? Yes. Or your guy, Tepper. Because I feel like, I feel like- Did you see the Canales video that came out where they were doing the rookie show

and he said, fuck it, I'm jumping in. And he's saying, Bob Marley, every little thing is gonna be all right to the team. And he's saying it perfectly. Thank you every little thing is going to be all right to the team. And he's saying it perfectly. Thank you. So all is good in Carolina guys. Okay. That's good that I'm glad that he's a good singer. That's important to have as a football coach NFL has there been any, any reason for optimism down there? I do feel for, for Panthers fans, you had a rough season one with Bryce Young and the fact that CJ Stroud was so good last year and he went second overall. It's tough. It's tough to make it through a season

like that. Is there any, is there room for hope? Do we have hope in Carolina? Sure. And look, they, this off season, they like really spent a lot of money on like guards. Like they spent, they spent a lot of money on like Robert Hunt from the, from the Dolphins, who's not a household name, but like they broke the bank on him. They just want to build up this like brick wall in front of Bryce Young. And yes, he can see above it.

And then in the draft, they got LeGate at wide receiver, they got Brooks at running back. So like they got the big guys up front in free agency and they got some weapons on the outside. Last year had never had a shot. It was dead on arrival as far as no weapons, no protection, no chance. And now you have an offensive head coach and you brought a bunch of different skill position players in and now you have an offensive line. So

the hope is this team is a little bit better, but they're not like a playoff team in my eyes. Yeah. You, I mean, you're a David Pepper, Apologize. I am. I love, I loved his, I loved his maniacal ways on Wall Street. I told you that last time I spoke with you. Yeah. Yeah. No, I haven't spoken to, I haven't spoken to Tepper. I assume he's on a yacht somewhere. So they're nice. Yeah. Um, all right. Well, Shraggs, thank you so much. We'll, we'll see you again during the football season. Everyone listen to Hard Knocks podcast, especially now Ryan Poles is on this week's episode and,

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you want to do this project and what was the fire that lit you off like, hey, I want to combine my world of drumming and sports in such a beautiful way. Oh, thank you very much. I guess you might call the genesis of it all was with Bill Walton. Of course, Bill and I were good friends and he once mentioned to me that he thought basketball was very much like a band, you know, a basketball team. And putting a ball through a hoop into a net was like string music.

And I thought that was very interesting, you know, that he thought that he saw the musicality in basketball. And that started me thinking that, well, everything in this universe is full of rhythm. Vibration is the basis of all life, and it just extends on and on and on over and the rhythm of life, the rhythm of anything, and the rhythm of the game, sports for instance,

was always intriguing to me. Since I, when I grew up, when I was a little guy, I used to watch Bob Cousy, the great basketball player who kind of almost invented modern basketball, and I used to watch him. It was actually in black and white and back in the day and he was my first sports hero and I thought well this guy is he's a great artist I even knew that when I was a kid and so there is the art of sports and basketball for instance and of those things kind of keyed me and writing about rhythm and different walks of life and so forth. And was, it was another extension of the philosophy that rhythm is everywhere and you just have to find it. Yeah. Yeah. It's fascinating. And Bill shows up a number of times throughout the movie,

right off the very start. I think he's the first voice that you hear in the picture. I'm curious to know how he introduced himself to you for the first time. What was your first experience like meeting Bill Walton? You know, he'll be a massive, grateful fan. Well, it was back in when he won the championship in Oregon. And he came to one of our concerts and I looked out into the audience. It was a small place. It wasn't much, it was a theater, kind of a largest theater. And I thought everybody was sitting down

and there was just one guy, you know, and I thought, wow, why is the audience sitting down? There's one guy standing up. And my equipment man, Remarade, he said, no, no, that's Bill Walton, you know, the basketball player, you know, the, and I go, oh, really? I loved to watch him at UCLA. I saw a lot of the games and I was a huge Bill Walton fan. And I knew he was a deadhead. And I just said, bring him back, bring him back to stage. And that's how I met Bill Walton.

It was at a concert and Bill and I started a relationship, I don't know how many years ago, 45, whatever that 40, you know, and became best friends over the years. Yeah. I mean, we were lucky enough to interview him probably like six or seven years ago. And it was just, it was incredible. He was one of those guys that if you spent an hour with him, you felt like he was your best friend and it was, it was a blessing. Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. Yeah. Right. You are, we were talking before this, you are a deadhead. I have to know, because I'm a huge deadhead as well,

how cool was it to be in this project and get so close to seeing how Mickey works and how the creative process comes about for such a legendary guy like that? I mean, it's such a cool experience for you, I would imagine, as a deadhead. Well, I would say this. You know, it's very cool, obviously, because you're like, you know, when you're 15 years old, these guys don't seem real. And then, you know, so you meet them. But

I'll tell you, for me, less than a deadhead, it was like, as a person who tries to have a creative life, to see Mickey's work ethic. Mickey, close your ears. I hate giving you compliments in front of you. But like, but I mean, his work ethic, that's exactly right. His work ethic and his relentless drive to be creative, to push himself, to stretch,

to find the boundaries and move through them. It just was a real, it, making this movie with him came for me at the exact right time in my own life, just as a reminder of how you approach a creative life and how you don't. And so like, I don't know, you hear about these guys and you always wonder if the Emperor has any clothes, you know, like what are these guys going to be like up close. And it didn't take long for us to understand that we were dealing with a mind at work with, with an incredibly smart, educated person, who also had a

an intuitive sense of his is one of the things he said that really stuck with me is as you get older you grow into your instrument not out of it yeah and that really struck me as a we are on a journey that lasts a lifetime all of us and it was just a good reminder for me of how to be I mean I couldn't be more grateful for the experience and like making the movie is the tax we all have to pay to have the journey. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And just hearing your voice, right? It just took me into fall. I just thought it was a Saturday morning. And I'm ready for college football right now. Yeah,

like, I can start talking about SEC football. Yeah, I know you can. So did you have to kick him out of the recording booth? Did he want to do some voiceovers for this movie, Mickey? Right. He's been right a lot of times, helping to produce and write some of this chatter. It was a pleasure working with him and Tori, Champagne and ESPN in general. It's nice folks there, receptive to ideas and very loose and allowed me to have creative freedom with this. You know, that's really what it's all about when you're an artist.

You have to have that kind of freedom to create something like Rhythm Masters, which I'm very proud of actually. It's quite a good story. It takes rhythm into a whole other land and exposes the idea that rhythm is essential in life. Just in sports, and then of course in drumming, that's the basis of drumming is rhythm. But just in general, you know, it kind of gives you pause and makes you think about, well, doing something right is in rhythm or wrong is out of rhythm or hate is how a piece is in. All that kind of, you know, the good rhythm and bad rhythm, health is good rhythm, disease bad rhythm, you know, winning is good rhythm, bad rhythm is losing, all

of that kind of stuff was told in this movie. So it's more than just a movie just about sports. It's really tells a lot about, it talks about life in general as well, and it's very important, especially to keep your equilibrium and your balance when you're famous, you know, as sports figures would be, and how they deal with it off the court. Especially, you know, all of these athletes that I interviewed had such a spiritual take on it and very much like myself, it was very, it wasn't very different than how I think about rhythm and music and being in the now.

And these things bring you into the moment. And that's very powerful emotional payload, if you will, dealing at sports at this level, the rhythm master level. And it also informed me as well, about Mario and Garetti, and Marshawn Lynch, Bob Cousy, you know, and Marshawn Lynch, Babkuzy, you know, Phil Jackson, all of these great players and influences, influencers like Phil Jackson, who's not only a great baseball player, but a great human being and brilliant, the Zen master, really.

And it was great to reconnect with Phil after a few years of not seeing him. So yeah, it was really very nourishing for me to talk with all of these great players. Some of them are heroes to me. Yeah. Phil Jackson talking about how he thinks about basketball and 4-4 time and the two beats for anything to happen was really interesting. There was one thing that you said that struck me and that was that you can go fast while you're not moving. So what does that mean? Well, it's about the power of concentration, the mind

and focus. And when you focus on something, you can go fast, you can go slow. When I'm up there and I'm playing like mad and I'm just going crazy, but inside I'm very calm and balanced and happy and so forth. So that allows you to be able to run a marathon or a sprint or just stand still. You know, sometimes I'm very still inside and outside, you know, it, you know, it's just, it looks like a, would look like a frenzy in a way, but that's not really what's going on inside. You have to really be collected and focus in order to go fast. And same way to go really slow. You need to be able to have that balance to be able to encompass all speeds. So yeah, the mind is very powerful. So what the brain says the body does. So this really, basketball, football, mostly is about neurologic function, is about how the brain

operates and what signals it sends. And the brain is all about rhythm. You know, you got a trillion neurons firing every, you know, every second in your brain and that's pure rhythm. So the ability to be able to coordinate your brain and your body movement, the idea of body-mind connection, is everything in sports and life and certainly in drumming. So, uh, you can go fast, you can go slow. You can stand still if you have the right head space for it because sports and music create a virtual head space where you go, which is not like everyday life. Like you walking down the street or doing anything else. It's very different. That's the high of it all. Yeah. Yeah. Well, we're going to, you said you were,

I feel like you were about to say something and I do want to just hear you talk. Well, I was going to say like when you talk about Mickey's like relentless curiosity, I mean, the thing that drove it home for me was, I don't know if you remember last year's tour. I mean, the thing that drove it home for me was, I don't know if you remember last year's tour. I mean, the biggest two tours in the world were Taylor Swift, Aira's tour, and then Dead and Company's summer tour. And so we were out in San Francisco

for that last couple of shows. And after the last night, we went immediately back to Mickey's dressing room. I mean, the crowd is still sort of singing, not fade away. The drones are still up in the air and he comes in and locks eyes. And the very first thing he says is, am I going to have my sports highlights tomorrow? I mean, you know, my ears are to quote Bob Seeger. I mean, my ears are still ringing from the echoes of the amplifiers and he's already moved on. And I just like, you know.

Yeah, it's crazy that I actually had that question, Mickey, because it's, it's as a fan watching from afar, the Grateful Dead are counterculture and they're, and you know, the, the, the hardest touring band in history. And like some people from afar might say, oh, well they, you know, they're just playing jam band music, like whatever. But to hear and read the stories about your guys work ethic and the days and years that you guys built even before you became, you know, this incredible, you know, touring band, you guys were playing day and night and it feels like that work ethic and those hours put into it Kind of get glossed over by maybe regular culture people and thinking like oh, yeah, they're just out there playing the bit You guys put in all these hours So what was it like when you were getting to that point where you can all speak the same language on stage in an improvisational?

Way that is so hard to reach that point and I think people don't give enough credit to to how difficult how many hours get into that Yeah, you bet we practiced every day all day You know there was a you know, we weren't weren't sitting around smoking dope or anything, right? You know, even if we were we were playing, you know constantly so And also, you know it happened right from the beginning, you know, constantly. So, and also, you know, it happened right from the beginning, you know, Grateful Dead Music was magic right from the first, you know, drop of it. So, it was just a matter of

collectively getting it all together and presenting it to people because the music was something we were discovering. We were falling on every day. We learned something every day. The more you played, the more you learned. And we didn't care really about we weren't into the money or into the fame. And we didn't have hit records. We didn't do videos. So I don't know about counterculture, but we certainly weren't totally part of the music industry. We were maybe in parallel with it, but we certainly weren't part of it. We were in our own Grateful Dead world, spawning our Grateful Dead mythology on our own with great songs and loving people all around and we just had a great time in the early days and then it just kind of blossomed over the years very slowly, very slow, like a turtle as

opposed to the hare and we're the turtle. But we finished the race and that's the important part. All those rock stars with their jewelry and the fancy hairs and all that, whatever, they fell by the wayside because it wasn't built on the right foundations. We were built to last and I knew that right from the beginning. beginning, I thought it would, you know, we were thinking about doing this for the rest of our lives, even when we were kids, we said, Do you want to do this the rest of your life? Yeah, yeah, of course you do. But it's hard to, you know, to actually manifest that, you know, you can talk about it, but to actually do it, there's a lot of ups and downs and like, just rhythms, good rhythms, bad rhythms, fights, all kinds of things that we worked through to be able to come out on top as it were. Like Wright said, it was a great tour.

The Sphere was great. It was really an honor to be able to play there. It was yet again a new experience, yet again, a new experience for us. Yeah. And that nourished us. And so all this nourishment over the years, if you play, you get nourished. If you really play hard, you play like you really mean it. And we meant it. We were not kidding around. It was none of that. You know, it was the music first. Yeah. Everything else followed, but the music was first always and still is. Yeah. The Sphere was incredible. I was lucky enough to go.

I basically spent the month after telling everyone how incredible it was and how my life will never be the same after going to the Sphere. One, I mean, the drums in space, the visuals and what you put together there were just out of this world good. I know you can't say, but I'm hoping that the Sphere is not done for Dead in Company

and maybe there's a future dates coming up because I was lucky enough on the second night I went, I was lucky enough to sit with John Mayer in his green room and I just spent 30 minutes profusely thanking him for keeping the music alive and I wanna thank you as well. But tell me there's gonna be some more spheres dates or at least give me a wink.

Yeah, there's no reason why there wouldn't be. Okay, I love that answer. I love that answer. Yeah. There's no reason why there wouldn't be. Okay. I love that answer. I love that answer. Let's put it, let's leave it at that. Yes. Yes. Because it's all, all I've been thinking about is getting back to the sphere.

I got to get back to the sphere. So right. I, I, I'm not joking. PFD can attest to it. I've been telling everyone. Like the people that leave Avatar, they won't talk about, they won't shut up about how great Pandora the planet looks and how they wish that they lived on Pandora. That's big cat with the sphere. Yeah. It's like, I got to get back there. Nothing is the, nothing is the sphere. My

life is not the same without being in the sphere. So I need to get back. It's the next step, but the, you know, we played stadiums, which are made for baseball and football. You know, we play places that are not meant for music really, or lights, you know, just pretty lame, you know, lights show behind you one screen. And once you see the sphere, then you understand what the future is, yeah, of music and visuals. Yeah. And when they come together, it's very powerful. It was a real challenge playing in the Sphere for a lot of reasons. Firstly, it's a new sonic environment

that we had to get used to, because we've never played, I mean, I thought it was suicide to play in the Sphere actually. I mean, sonically, it's just not done. But with all of the artificial intelligence and the 1600 speakers and the high-def visuals, we made it come alive. We put a lot of time into making it feel like the great flint, you know, just like us. And so, and also to be able to stay focused

for 30 shows in the same place. We never did that. Maybe we played 13 or 12 days at Madison Square Garden in a row, but we never played 30 dates any place. Yeah. So to be able to stay focused was also a big deal. Only playing three nights.

Normally our pace is two nights on, one off, two nights on. And once in a while we'll play three because of the vocals. It's hard for them to do four in a row. That's very, very hard. So yeah, I think that discipline was part of it, you know. And as you get older, you have more discipline. And younger, you know, you just, you know, just, the fuel is just youth.

Yeah. But as you get older, then you got to conjure another kind of power. And everybody really is drama free. It's a really a great band now. It's phenomenal. It's like just watching the iterations and it just, it's great. I can't thank you enough. And like I said, the drums in space was incredible. I was great. I can't thank you enough. Like I said, the

drugs in space was incredible. I was one of the people laying on the floor. I don't know if you expected that to happen, that people were going to lay on the floor because of the vibrations, but that did happen. Yeah, it gave me pause when they said, oh, they're all lying on the floor doing it. I go what? You gotta be kidding. That never happened. People in the North don't do that. In the sphere you can feel the vibrations, especially in the seats. It's just haptic seats. There's vibratory, there's speakers in the seats and you can feel the vibrations when I go downtown, when I go low. But the visuals, looking up at the visuals and how it kind of goes with the percussion,

with the drums, the drums sound, for some reason, sound really good in the sphere, better than anyplace else. Nobody can really quite describe the impact that the drums deliver in the sphere for me. And that was just a lucky, it was the luck of the draw that it just so happens. The drums sound amazing in that place. You know, Mickey, I was going to ask, you know, one of the things I thought in the sphere was one of those last couple of nights I was there, it reminded me of that,

the power and the communal spirit reminded me of that story you were saying about after Woodstock, when you had your black lab and you could hear Sly and the Family Stone. And I just wonder if you would mind telling these guys that because that makes the hair stand up on my arms still when I think about the sort of the communion of live music. Yeah, well, that was a major moment. I remember being on the hill. It was after our set, I guess. And it was at night and there were fires going all on the valley, you could see them all over.

And Sly was just killing it. And they were all singing, wanna take you higher, higher. So you hear 500,000 people going higher, higher. And I never heard anything like, no one has ever heard anything like that before. And I was good friends with the drummer, Greg Orico, masterful drummer, amazing drummer, and he was nailing it. And it was total rapture. Really, I mean, it was awesome. I mean, in the idea of awe, as an awesome, you know, really, you just had to sit back and go, wow, the power that we had, we weren't alone.

Here was 500,000 of us. No one's ever been able to assemble that, I bet in those days anyway, 500,000 of anything. People being friendly, loving, and here the music is taking you to a place that you've never been before. Now, that's power. And you talk about rhythm mastery. Well, that moment, that night, they had it. And also Michael Shreve, master drummer,

master, with Santana. Michael was a student of mine years and years ago before the Grateful Dead. He was one of my students and there he was on the stage playing just out of his mind. Just incredible. So I was really proud of him that night, you know, when he played, when he performed. So Woodstock was really, it was very interesting and life-affirming actually for me. Yeah, it's very cool. And I'm sure you've gotten this question before, but I have to imagine that being in a band like The Grateful Dead, it feels like it was something that was always meant to happen. You guys fit in so well together. It's been such an amazing journey. People's lives have been changed. You've made so many friends. Was there a moment when you guys started

to play? I'm sure you've played in other bands before, but as you're starting to either rehearse or play your first shows with the Grateful Dead, were you knew that something was different and something was special about this band? Well, absolutely. When I first heard that, well they were already just changed their names to the Grateful Dead. They were Warlocks. The band was called Warlocks back then. And they just changed it to Grateful Dead. And I was invited to their concerts. And when I first heard the band, I couldn't believe it. I mean, it was so loud and it was so out there. The music was just blossoming.

It was a blues band back then. And they were playing the blues like I had never heard the blues before. Then I sat in and that was it. We just came together and said, wow, this is the Grateful Dead. And so Jerry said, man, we could take this around the world. You know, and we did.

Yeah. Yeah. Actually, you know. And so, yeah, I knew it right from the very first moment that Grateful Dead music was special, really special. And over the years, we nurtured that, you know, and, you know, and created what you now know as Grateful Dead music. It's a genre of music, really, you know. And with this, we were improvisationalists. Yeah. And that was different back then.

You only improvised in jazz. So Grateful Dead was like a big, loud jazz band, in a way, with a big back beat. You could dance to this jazz. Everybody was listening to Coltrane and all the great jazz guys. And I was listening to Indian classical music. So very complicated rhythmically. And that's one of the things I brought to the brew was that rhythmic complexity. Yeah. Yeah. And then we just shot from there, you know, that we took off. Yeah. I love the idea of a music executive somewhere listening to the Grateful Dead in the 19 I don't know maybe the 1970s and figuring like we got to figure out a way to recreate this and try to make it like Commercial and trying to come up with a formula for it while everything that you guys have done

Has been organic and just something that's naturally happened between you and your fan base throughout the years Was there were there other bands that tried to? Tried to copy what you guys were doing as it went along? And you're like, you don't have it, man. It's not the same. No, in the beginning, nobody could copy it because it was so new. They didn't know how to do it. When you invent something, then that's different. At first couldn't, at first they couldn't understand it because it was so different than any other kind of music and so intense back then.

Remember we were just kids playing hard, really fast, hard music, and very complicated actually. And then it got simpler and we started to learn how to, you know, work at these incredible tempos and being able to go three, four, five, even more hours every night. Back then there was no unions and there was, so we could play, you know, we can play till we drop. Right.

We would, at the Fillmore East, we would start at about 8.30 and wound up about seven o'clock the next morning. You know, so, you know, there was nobody to tell us to stop. We didn't. Now you have to, you know, now we've limited to three, three and a half hours, which is reasonable now. Yeah, yeah. Right, I had a question for you.

So you are, your life has been sports and covering sports. You wrote a great book called The Cost of These Dreams, Sports Stories and Other Serious Business, which everyone, I should say, everyone go buy it on Amazon. It's a great, great book. But you've covered sports your whole life. Sports are your life.

Was there something that you uncovered in making this and being around Mickey, uh, that you're like, wow, I never thought of sports this way. You know, that's a great question. Uh, I never thought about that exactly like that before. Yes. Uh, and it came through in several ways. One was, Mickey was asking these athletes questions that it seemed to me that they had never been asked before and had been dying to be asked. And so I think that, you know, athletes are physical geniuses who move through a grid with other people. And I think that sometimes they have trouble articulating.

They'll say the game seemed to slow down. And it sounds like a cliche, but really it's just a physical genius who can't find the vocabulary to say exactly the complex things that are going on in their heads. And Mickey was asking, I mean, I need to just send you the full unedited Marshawn Lynch conversation. Yes, we'd love to. We used 90 seconds of it. And I'm telling you, that's the best sports interview I've ever heard. You should just run it. Because Mickey got Marshawn and Marshawn got Mickey, they immediately understood each other as sort of fellow travelers along the

same path. And you know that that happened with Jack Nicklaus. I mean Jack Nicklaus is famously prickly. And I didn't tell Mickey that beforehand. I thought it'd just be a fun social experiment to see what happened. And but so Jack started off prickly. but by the end, he was he was putty in Mickey's hands. And so and so I think it's that these guys spend a lot these guys and gals, men and women spend a lot of time thinking about their interior life, their mental health, and I don't mean like reacting to stress. I mean, literally, how do you process information? How do you

deal with failure and success and egos and all of this? And so it feels like they were getting asked questions that they'd never been asked before. And have always wanted to be asked. There are three or four questions that became stock questions for Mickey that I'm definitely stealing. Yeah, like yeah, I'll ask everybody going forward, three or four of these questions. And you're right, because when watching it, like, the one of, it was phenomenal.

Everyone should watch it. It's so unique and so different than what, you know, you think like ESPN documentary, it's so different and out of the box from that. But the Joe Montana part where he's describing a five step drop and a three step drop and the rhythm of it. And it's like, I almost got lost in it. I was like, Oh my God, like I never, you, you just think like a quarterback drops back. That's something you see. It's a small part of the game. Uh, and just having him dissect it to such a minute level, it was, it was incredible.

You're right. Like I, I didn't even realize it till you just said that point of having the guys talk about it in a way that they had never spoken about it. I mean, I I've written about Joe Montana. I've spent a lot of time with Joe and Jennifer Montana and wrote what I think is a very revealing story about him in which he said all sorts of stuff he never said before. And he said stuff on this interview with Mickey that I'd never heard him say before. And that was very early in the process too.

And I was, it was interesting because Mickey said to me in our first conversation, we went up to his house in North somewhere in Northern California. And he, that's right. And he was like, I can get them there. I sort of clocked that. I made a little note and it was like, Mickey says he can get them there. But I was like, all right, tough guy, let's see. All right, big rock and roll star. Let's see how well you interview somebody. After Joe Montana, I knew this is gonna be really special. Because Joe has been interviewed over and over and over and over and this was new shit.

And so from that point on, I just, I couldn't schedule enough interviews. Yeah, by the way, I read the Joe Montana piece you did. That was phenomenal. Again, go buy Wright's book. I can't recommend it enough. Read everything he's ever written. Yeah, right. Like I even forgot that I had written or read your Joe Montana piece that was, I remember reading it and being like, wow, I'd never

even like, I feel like I actually know Joe Montana now. So Mickey, was there one specific interview, so kind of like the same question to write, where you asked someone something or an athlete revealed something that you had never thought of sports that way. Well, of course, the Marshawn Lynch, like Wright said, was extraordinary because he talked about the spiritual side immediately. I walk on the field, I look at the nearest goalpost, I circle the field to the right, I circle the field to the right, I circle the field to the left. I think about the people I'm going to hit and pray that they won't get hurt.

Just all kinds of wonderful things. Then there's the Phil Jackson interview where he really lays it out. Two beats, one beat, two beats, more than two beats, you're out of time. So he really broke it down, you know, he put that quadrant, he goes here and here and here, and if you don't do this in two beats, and he talks about it in beats, which relates to drumming, you know, you can say, oh beat is, everybody knows what a beat is. And so Phil was, of course, very articulate, very articulate.

And everybody, Bob Cousy, he just talks about the art of the game and it is an art form. And Mario and Tretti says, the engines is vibrating, it's like a song, he says. And when he said that, he goes, oh yeah, Mario. That's it, it is a song. It was really good. Yeah. So the game is a song.

Yeah, that's it. To a lot of athletes, they see it as musical. Yeah, that's a lot of people, a lot of athletes, they don't, they see it as musical. Yeah. And that really just, you know, I, you know, I heard what, how Bill did, you know, spoke of it, but you know, he was a dead end and he was talking about, well, I tell you, one time we were backstage with his son, Luke, Luke was the coach of the, what do you call it, the lawyers. And he's back there and he's saying to Luke, he said, Luke, it's halftime. He said, okay, you gotta come out the first, like with Bertha, you know, and then you bring it back to playing the band kind of a thing. And then you. And I said, Bill, you have the kid to break, man.

He's the coach, you know, spectators here. And but he saw it in musical terms and a lot of. And that's one of the most interesting parts of it, besides the spiritual nature, which I knew athletes had to have it. In order to access the flow state, where everything moves and you're not even thinking about it and you're in the moment, and all of these things which rhythm masters have to know, if you don't know that, you're not a rhythm master. In anything, whether you're painting the fence

or you're a great carpenter or you drive a great semi, these are all rhythm masters, because they were able to get into that flow state and to be in the now. So it doesn't have to be drums or drumming, or it doesn't have to be sports. You can be a rhythm master in anything. If you know how to get into these states, these flow states, which is about consciousness. And be aware of who you are and what you're doing and where you're going. And then also to be able to let it go.

Yeah. And then just be in the moment. You can think of it over and over and over again, but you have to let thinking go and just be. And that's not easy when you're in the middle of, you know, when you're in the middle of that, you know, that cathartic moment. So that's what I brought back from this.

I had a great time interviewing all of these athletes. And like Wright says, you know, some of them were a little, they didn't know how to approach the interview. You know, they thought this was gonna be a straight interview about how great they were. But that really wasn't really on my mind at all. Because they were all great. That's why I talked to them. Yeah, yeah. Getting down to the human level. That was the real outstanding part for me. Yeah, you had these moments where you're looking up in Mike Piazza

is talking about tigers and Ozzie Smith is talking about Newtonian physics. Yeah. And you're just like, where am I? Yeah. What? Yeah. I just was like, I mean, one of the things you are, one of the things you learn if you're riding shotgun with Mickey is just hang on. Yeah. Like, you know, the circus is in town. And so, you know, my five year old thought Mickey was like some sort of magic creature, you know, he didn't know he was. Yeah, I know. But she didn't know that she just ran right up to it and gave him this huge hug out of nowhere. And then I later found out that Mickey had given her cookies. But no, it just, man, the experience of watching him do this work as someone who was a fan of the music, you know, they say don't meet your heroes. And I mean, we're very lucky to report that, you know, he's got, he's an incredibly, incredibly

talented musician, thinker and writer, but just also a good guy. Like we had fun. This was a fun project. There was very little drama. As he said, it was, you know, Tori Champagne, who Mickey and I both call the adult in the room, uh, did a lot of work and, uh, really brought the thing home. And it, I just had a great time doing it. And I mean, that's what I'm grateful for. Yeah. I mean, being able to tap into something that an athlete at the peak of their game has always thought in their own,

either they thought it consciously, or they've known it their entire lives. And it's how they go about their business. They think about approaching something as simple as a three step drop in this very personal way that you can tap into and immediately have them speaking your same language that you understand. It ties back into just the universal nature of rhythm, which I think is a really interesting thing to dive into.

And then you talked about getting in that flow state, being still but going fast at the same time. I think you discovered the zone. I think that's what being in the zone is. When an athlete says like everything slows down, I think now we can do more work to quantify what the zone is and try to figure out how to get there. It's fascinating stuff to dive into. I'm curious to know as a drummer, there's to me, there might be a difference between sports at their highest level and playing music at the highest level, but maybe I'm wrong about this. And that's the inherent nature of competition

that you have in sports. And in music, I feel like it's not as much of a competition against somebody else, beating somebody else as it is doing, maximizing your own ability or playing to the highest of your capability. But maybe I'm wrong.

Maybe there is a competitive drive in a lot of musicians. Yeah, maybe there are, you know, but that's second fiddle. Actually, the most important thing is, you know, when I go on stage, I try to empty my mind and try to be very relaxed and I try to make everybody on the stage play good. You know, I'm for them, you know, I'm trying to lay down a real good groove so, you know, Bob or whoever can, you know, just ride on it, you know, and have a great time. And then I get down to business, you know, and, but the most important thing is to make everybody feel like they're part of a team. And there's no competition on the stage, absolutely none. And if you might be competing in your mind with some other drummers, some far away, you know,

thoughts and stuff, but really it comes down to, I think the empathy in music and the empathy in sports are really important. People don't realize how much people care for their teammates. It's a love. You attach to them in some way. You don't have to go home with them

and hang out all the time, but when you're together you feel this connection and that's part of getting into the zone. Now when you talk about the flow state, it really came together with me when I started writing my first book, Drumming at the Edge of Magic in 1990, I think it was. And I started investigating these trance religions, Santeria, Condomblé. And most of the cultures out there in the world have to do with trance, Indian music. And even American music had that.

Even the early rock and roll, there was these trance states that we would get into that, that we couldn't define. And then all of a sudden, we realized that it was just focus and concentration and moving into these others, these other mindsets and allowing the body to flow. And now we can articulate it. And that's what's been happening in the last 30, 40 years, is that we know a lot more about how to get into these trance states, which basically, that's what all of these things are. Trance is not a bad word or anything. It's a strange word. When you go down the highway and you miss an exit

and you're daydreaming, you're in a big puppy trance. Yeah, you know Not harmful or anything and these things aren't harmful Yeah, but there once you know how to go in and out of them and how to stay there Then that's the key to be able to win and all of these Rhythm-mas masters that I interviewed are winners. They know how to go there. They're going to stay there. And they know how to win. Yeah. And sports is just, you know, it's just a miniature of life is what we do with rhythm

only in sports. It's all about rhythm. Without rhythm, there could be no sports. You know, you could just be running into each other and, you know, not having no teams. No teamwork or any of that stuff. So the basis of it all is rhythm. Whether they realize it or not, now it's going to be an educational moment. This film could be looked at in those terms for a lot of people and allowing their minds to be able to understand what they're doing or what they did or other people looking at sports in a different way. You know, these are very complicated. These are states of mind. These are not, unless you know what you're

doing and how to get there and how to stay there, you can't win because you just swim it upstream. So that, it tells a lot of stories. This is where the masters work. Yeah. So this has been phenomenal. We appreciate both of your times. I have one last question. It's a row back question. R H O B A C K.com promo code. Take 20% off your first purchase. Q-zips, polos, hoodies, joggers, shorts. So everyone, please do watch rhythm masters, uh, out debuting tonight on ESPN as you're listening to this. Uh, Mickey, I, I, this is a dumb question. I'm sure you've gotten a million times, but when someone asks me, you know, what is your explain your love for the Grateful Dead? I basically say, listen, the beauty of is it, is that I don't even know what my

favorite like song or show is because it changes every day and I'll find a show that I'd never heard and that will be my favorite show or a song that something unlocks in my brain. I'm like, Oh my gosh, I'm listening to this song and I never listened to it this way. Um, but is there a specific time and place that you look back to and you're like, everyone has their own favorites, but your own personal, like that's, that's where it was. That was what I look back at and I daydream about maybe that year or that little era or whatever it may be that you just something that unlocks in your brain when you find yourself

you know kind of drifting off. Well one show was really in Cornell in 77. Yep. That 77 show in Cornell there was a few songs that night that was superb, just beyond, you know, anything we've ever played before. But you know, there are nights just sprinkled all through the 60 years of playing. When you play good, that's it. You can if it's one even one song Sometimes it happens and then the rest of the songs you can't quite get it But whenever the magic happens that Then it then that's everything. Yeah, that's your whole life. Remember? I've been playing most of my my life in my whole life actually pretty much

I've been playing for 70, 75 years. So, you know, it's everything. You know, you put everything you have into it and it gives it back to you, you know, in a lot of ways, makes you happy. And it does things to you physiologically, whereas it reduces your stress, it makes you a better life,

makes you learn how to love because that's what music does and that's what sports does. You can't play great sports and not love it. And so you learn about love, you learn about empathy, and you learn about the good. Yeah. And so it's much deeper than just playing a sport. The benefits you get from it are extraordinary. The more you put in, the more you get back,

the longer you can stay there, the better it is. And never quit, never stop unless you have to. And that's, of course, a lot of times it's ripped away with injuries and so forth. Same thing happens in my work, injuries all the time. You know, you have to overcome them and you have to heal yourself and come back again. So it's just not like getting up there and playing the drums. You have to train. Every tour I train for months to get up there and be able to relax and just, you know, not hurt myself. Yeah. And the same way in sports, you know, so you have to understand that these players are really, they put in so much time, all of us, any professional that's at this level, you know, has to give their heart to it. And

there are benefits to that when you give yourself up and your heart to something. It is really hard to describe, but what you take away from it and what you take from that power into your regular life is really what's important. I hope that the people don't leave the music at the hall, at the venue, that they take that feeling home and do good with it. Yeah. And that's really the payoff for me. If I know that's happening, then I've done a good job and I feel great about it.

Yeah. It was not just about the concert. It's about what you do with that feeling. Yeah. Well, Mickey, thank you so much and Wright, thank you so much. Everyone go watch it. It was an incredible movie and Mickey, I'm holding you to it. You did say that you guys were going to do some more sphere dates. Um, that's me. You might not have, you might not have exactly said that, but that's what I took from it. So that's not exactly what you said, but that's exactly what I heard. And it's all up to interpretation.

exactly what I heard. And it's all up to interpretation. Yeah, but that's what he meant. Yeah, that's where you're bad. So thank you so much. This was a thrill and we really appreciate it. And everyone go see rhythm masters and thanks so much guys. Thanks for asking. Thanks for asking. Good questions guys. Thank you. Thank you. It was a pleasure. Appreciate it. That interview with Mickey Hort and Wright Thompson is brought to you by our friends over at Peacock and their new show, Mr. Throwback. If you're looking for a new show to binge, check out Mr. Throwback on Peacock, starring Adam Pauley and Eggo Wodem. Follow Danny, a down on his luck, memorabilia dealer, dealer, who's looking for redemption by reuniting with his

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Listen, football's gonna be back soon. This was fun. I had fun today. Yeah, don't worry about it, Hank. Once football's back and the Patriots are in gear, I'm sure you're not gonna be talking at all. Yeah, too much Hank and too much hating from Hank, and that's all right. But I will say this, memes.

He sent me some hater questions I was like send them and then he just instead send me questions that are gonna make it look like I asked these and They're set up questions. So oh no rude Long time a WL. I've noticed can't exist I've noticed that it seems like every single guy in the crew now loves the West Colorado Grit Week Arizona Super Bowl chill week Again I'm not I'm not at this is I did not pick these questions. Have you ever thought about a winter trip out west? Well, a winter trip out west. I don't really do winter trips. Thank you guys. Would love an apprez ski trip after the Super Bowl. Maybe hit the slopes.

Check out some of the sports scenes. And it's a vibe. Apprez ski. Much love. Yeah. Was it apprez? Apprez. Apprez after ski. We we don't usually travel that much in the wintertime because we've got football on TV and then we've got the Super Bowl I guess we did go out west last year for the Super Bowl to Vegas Yeah, but yeah, we don't really travel that much in the wintertime. I love it out west. Yeah, I had great time We're gonna go to Tahoe every year grit week will not be out west next year We did I think we've actually. Talking about San Diego week. We've kind of done a good, if you look at the grit week

year after year, the last time we went out West was five years ago. So this was the first time in five years that we did it. Just happened that we did Tahoe. Yeah, Tahoe will be every year. Yeah, I mean, the West Coast is a hidden gem. It is. Los Angeles.

People talk about it. Los Angeles is great. California. California. Malibu hidden gym they should write some songs about California I don't think that would play the boo where is the furthest place you would travel if it meant you got to interview one of your white whales white whale Miley who else? Yao Ming. Brady. Brady. Yao Ming, White Whale. Key West. I would go, I would go to Brazil. They would eventually be back. Brady probably wouldn't be in Brazil. I don't know why I... Colombia. It wouldn't make sense in my head. I'd be like aren't you coming back?

Hey, would you go to Hawaii to interview Tom Brady? Yep I mean use a shot as far as far. Yes. Why go to Europe Hank? Would you go to would you go to the but I would just simply say aren't they coming back? What if the answer was no Katie's never coming back? He might not he was having fun on that water slide dude. I love that water slide pick He is the most relatable put your arms up like a little kid. Our last one, hey guys, just curious how close of friends you are outside the show.

Do you consider each other more of co-workers or friends? Family. I think, yeah, it's closer than friends. Actually, Mickey Hart kind of got on it, where it was like he had a line there in the interview where he was like, you know, maybe you're not spending every second outside of it, but when you're in it together, there's no bond like it. Yeah. Um, and that's kind of how it is. I mean, I spend outside of my immediate family,

I spend the majority of my time with everyone in this room. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, we're not going out on Friday night because we're spending 70 hours together. Yeah. And also, like, if you've got three kids, it's probably not. You probably can't be like, hey, I'm going to hit happy hour. I would say it's close to family as you can get. I consider you guys my family.

Yeah, I do too. That's what I'm saying. Like, it is. It's family. I was thinking about that the other day. Like, the fact that we've been working together for eight years eight years nine years Eight years eight years is it eight full years now eight full year half eight and a half 11 for me and big cat

Yeah, eight and a half years and like most shows if you work with anybody for eight and a half years There will be little petty conflicts that end up driving the show not us not us no petty No, no that no and the fact that we've avoided going at each other's throats at all. Yeah, completely. It's actually great. It's very healthy for me and Big Cat to have Hank in this. Oh, yeah.

He absolutely is a, he's nuclear deterrent. Yeah. It is crazy though, listen, like, I mean, even what recently was Desus and Mero, you know, the whole documentary about Francesa and Mad Dog just not speaking off air. Yeah, like We are very blessed. What? No, it's what you do. I mean, I think that You guys have joined in hating me and that has helped you guys. That's what I'm saying. Yeah

Yeah, it's a very useful position. I was thinking the other day I don't know if I said this on the show But I feel like the first ten years your, you don't really remember or like you're not really in control of it's basically your parents, you know, they set up your play dates, they set up what you're doing, they set up your hobbies, whatever. And then 10 to 20, you're kind of in more control. You know what you're doing, you know what you like. But so it's basically 10 to 20, 20 to 30 for me. And it's like half my life has been with you guys. Yeah. The I, I, I texted you guys when you guys were out.

Right. I get what you're saying. Yeah. Yeah. The last week of August when I was here and you guys were out, I texted you like, what, day two? And I was like, I miss you guys. Because it was like, obviously there's a lot of people that I work with here and I love all of them, but it was Brandon. It was very weird not having you guys here. I was just like, I kept on like kind of wandering around being like, oh, I wonder what Max is up to. I wonder what PFT is up to. Oh shit, they're not here.

Yeah. So don't ever leave again. Okay. Hank. No. What do you mean no? I will leave again. Vacations.

I feel like coming to work is a vacation. No, it's about to be, that is true. Well, you don't think that. I do, I just like coming to work is a vacation. No, it's about to be it. That's that is true Well, you don't think that I do I just like again We've been doing for so long. I've said it's a million times We work a lot. I like to I like to recharge and refresh play a lot and by recharge and refresh come back Say her water show That's true on Sunday. Was that Air and Water show? That's true. On Sunday? It was on Sunday.

Just for the record too, I wanted to say that Hank, for a moment I felt bad for saying that you were hung over on Sunday's show, but it was, to me there's hangovers, irregular hangovers, like don't mention it. Your body couldn't you your whole aura was zapped out of you yeah I was like it was like oh it was it was shocking to see you even try to come up with words yeah that's fair yeah I wanted to let everyone I was in a full full state of depression on but it was worth it so we're back it was elevator. But it was worth it. But we're back. Post elevator depression.

Yeah. Yeah, it was worth it. All right, good show. Let's do numbers. 20. 17. Eight. 56.

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