Pardon My Take - Greg Olsen & George Kittle, Hot Seat Cool Throne & Bo Pelini In Studio For A Special Bo Knows Ball Segment

Episode Date: May 25, 2022

We had another NBA Blowout until the Warriors flirted with making it real. (00:02:42-00:09:04) Memes is down bad about the Rangers. (00:09:10-00:12:57) Celtics blow out the Heat and cocky Hank is back. Is it ok to go to a strip club before your team gets swept? (00:14:17-00:31:43) Hot Seat/Cool Throne including Mac Jones being in the best shape of his life. (00:32:44-00:47:28:) Greg Olsen and George Kittle join the show to talk TE University, Greg getting cucked by Tom Brady, asking George about Trey Lance, and our new Billy sticker system to see if he can go to TE University. (00:48:57-01:24:21) We finish with Bo Pelini in studio for a special edition of Bo Knows Ball where we answer Football questions from AWL's. (01:25:57-02:03:27)You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/PardonMyTake

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I wanted to call them both Greg. They join us in anticipation of tight end university coming up later this summer. We're talking NBA playoffs, NHL playoffs. We have some hot seat, cool throne, and one of our favorite old time guests who was with us for our first grit week, joins us in studio, Coach Bo Polini,

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Welcome to part of my take presented by visible. Go to visible.com slash pod today and get single-line wireless for as low as $25 a month. Today is Wednesday, May 25th, and the most exciting thing we had tonight was a rain delay inside of an NBA arena. Yeah, we had a leaky roof tonight. Kurt Warner having a stroke watching that.

Like, can we do a double dome over top of that? I really don't want any weather creeping in. Well, no, actually, Big Cat, you're wrong. I think that was the second most exciting thing. The most exciting thing that happened was Jake's nodding his head right now. We got a leggy, a Tom Wedgie. Yeah, never seen it before.

A three month free throw. Never seen that before, Jake? Not enough for game, no. It was actually, I mean, and while we're taping this, we're taping this with three minutes left, four minutes left. I'll never count out the Warriors. They're down 13 right now.

So we might just look like the dumbest people in earth by the end of that. Not on 12. Not on 12. So like we basically started the show. We're like, hey, should we do this starting into the fourth quarter? Because the Warriors are down a million.

Now they're down 11. And of course, the Warriors are the Warriors and they can come back from anything. But we're going to assume the Warriors lose this game. And if they don't, we'll keep this all in and we'll just correct it by the end of this. Either way, it was the two most exciting plays in the game, or the three most exciting plays in the game

were the Wedgie or whatever we're going to call it, where the ball just stopped on the rim, the rain delay, and then Luca just shooting one of the greatest horse shots I've ever seen, where he threw it up in the air after. Now he's down to eight. After the whistle. This is awesome. And I'm pretty sure it's theft and clay have not

and Draymond have not been in this fourth quarter. Awesome. Dude, if the Warriors steal this game, holy fucking shit. And I did my whole tweet about how this always blowouts and everything's blowout. The Warriors might be the only team that can be blowout proof. Well, it's crazy because like in a game like tonight, this would be the bow band game.

We were supposed to get bow bands tonight. But it would know, like you said, no lead is safe against the Warriors at all. You put stuff back in right now. Yeah, they just they just they just came all the way back with their bench players. Yeah, you roll the dice. They're playing earlier in the fourth.

But you put stuff back in and you give America a night that they won't forget. That's that's what you have to do right now. I now I really hope that the Warriors win this game, especially because later on in the episode, I said the Warriors won earlier tonight. So I don't want to seem dumber than usual on the podcast. I don't need to go out of my way to make myself look like an idiot.

But yeah, the halftime the halftime delay was that was electric. It's always funny when they kick it back to the booth back to the halftime show guys and they're like, OK, just just kind of ad lib for anywhere between five and 20 minutes until we get this thing fixed. They send a guy up to the roof up to the catwalk. First of all, I would have puked and gotten dizzy and fallen over the ledge if I was up there.

But they send a guy up there with a towel. That was their game plan. It was very reminiscent of of many afternoons where we've seen FedEx Field in the fall in in Raul John Merrill. But yeah, their big plan was just like, hold. They should have some up there with like one bucket and then send another guy up to like replace the Home Depot bucket with a new bucket every five minutes.

Why didn't they just use duct tape? I like I know it's a joke like, you know, the Apollo 13 or whatever when they use duct tape, but duct tape literally fixes everything. If you just duct tape the whole, you'll be fine for at least the rest of the game. That's a fact. I I also every time I saw you tweet that clip, I would I was so confused because I went on the chicklet stream for the Battle of Alberta for the first period and I came back to my couch and it was like still half time.

And I was like, wait, that was 35 minutes. What the hell's going on? Are they are the Warriors now? What would you put your hands up for, Hank? They put stuff back in. They let Luca dunk the ball and then they just do it to an offensive foul. But like that, Steph was not involved in either of those plays. But the vibes.

But it didn't have the vibes change. My vibes. I mean, if you look at it, it's actually funny to look at the Warriors starters versus bench, everyone in the starters is minus 18 or worse. And everyone on the bench is like plus 15 or better. It does make sense that the Mavericks are winning this game because this is like the formula that the Mavericks need. Like Luca can go out there and he can score 40 points if he wants to.

But those are the games that you're probably going to end up losing because it means that Luca is trying to do it all one on one and not really, you know, like for whatever reason, it could be that no one else is getting involved. It could be that everybody else is missing their shots. But that's you're not going to win many games against the Warriors when Luke is doing the thing where he puts the entire team on his back. In this game, what does he have? Like 26 points right now and like seven assists, eight assists.

You have 14 rebounds, 14 rebounds. That's that's the formula. Martin Cuban should just be like, hey, every night, Luca, you go out there, you score 28 and also have like three other starters in the late teens, early 20s. I don't know if it's that's totally the formula. I think it's more just those other guys finally did hit shots because remember in in game three, they were 28 percent from three

and Reggie Bullock was 0 for seven from three. And they all like the Mavericks weren't going to just miss every shot for this entire series, so it was going to happen. They were getting good looks. They just weren't hitting any of their shots. So it finally happened tonight. And even still, the Warriors almost came all the way back, which would have been incredible if they had won this game.

Again, they still could win this game by the the Saber metric stat of the night came from Stan Van Gundy. This was like three minutes ago when the Warriors were down by probably 24 points, and he said the hardest thing to do is win in the NBA because the other team is trying to win, too. Well, I it's it's Trent Delfar stuff right there. Unless you're playing the Kings. Yeah, I I just hate that the Mavericks like this was supposed to be

the game three energy and we all bet on them on Sunday night. Like you can't do game three energy in game four. You screw everything up when you're down to and you go back home. You're supposed to win that game, not lose and then win game four. So they've got me all screwed up. And I'm sure they'll win game five if they if they pull this one out. But yeah, I guess the Warriors are at least they didn't make it a blowout. At least they made the fourth quarter kind of fun for a minute.

Yeah, for like 13 again. One minute back up. Well, there's still two and a half minutes left. That's plenty of time. Yeah, but Steph should never have been brought back in. We should we should talk real quick memes. Are you ready to are you ready to to face the music 10 points? I'm here.

Where are you at right now? Because the Rangers win four to one. It's now two to two in the series. It seems like the Keynes just can't win on the road, which has to make you a little nervous, knowing that if the Rangers can steal one, you're now in hell. Yeah, so the worry meter goes up with each win. But funny, funny how that works.

Yeah, that that is how series work. Well, now it's the best. But I was looking at their scores from the last series. They got blown out by the Bruins away every single time in all three games. So you're just going to you're going to bank on a game seven at home. You'll be OK. Yeah. Now, they also have they also have the lightning waiting for them if they do win. Yeah, so memes.

I noticed that, you know, several tweets from the Battle for Alberta game didn't see that many coming from you from the Rangers game tonight. So no, I don't know if you got hacked in the middle of that game. Phone was charging. I tweeted one out. It said Rangers to us almost like who's got the gun to your head. You have to be on biased memes. It's right there in your bio.

Yeah, you know, it's bad memes when I start getting tweets being like, has anyone checked on memes? That's usually my radar of like, whenever something bad happens in the sports world to any of us, I'll start getting tweets being like, oh, no, check on Hank, check on Jake, like all these things. So that's why I had to ask how you're doing. And it seems like you're in denial if I had to pinpoint what the mood is. Yeah, definitely. They they look they look really good.

Here's what you do. Here's what you do, memes. You know, those those losers that have in their their profile on Twitter, like retweets are not endorsements, thoughts are my own. You just need to put in the part of my take bio. Thoughts are not my own. So it's just like it's just the game flowing through you, not even your own thoughts. Right. You have no responsible for anything. Yeah.

It's all. Sounds good. And the Battle of Alberta has been electric no matter what. I mean, we're where it's going to be. You got what? What do you got? I try on the chicken screen. Yeah, I both. I have no dealers in the flames futures on both.

So you want the flames to win so it goes longer? No, I would like I probably would like the oilers to just finish this off at this point because I want them to be fresh for the avalanche. Yeah, you want them to have fresh legs going into that. Also, I'm going with the oilers too, just because I know a player on the oilers. Yeah. So that's kind of my standard when it comes to West Coast. You know, too. Who's the second Keith's also on the Dunkin Keith. There you go.

OK, yeah. So I know two more players on the oilers than I do on the Calgary flames. OK, we're going to kick it back to ourselves in the studio for Heat Celtics. By the way, we're streaming it tomorrow night live from the PMT Studios. So tune in. We will be live for game five. I'm sure it will be a blowout, but we don't know which way. Oh, that just reminded me. I was supposed to go to Manhattan tomorrow night.

I guess we'll postpone that when Hank, you're the programming director of this entire website. You're the president. Let's do Saturday night. Nine o'clock. No. I'm unavailable. I have another I have a meeting. All right. So Sunday morning at seven. Yeah, another meeting.

Watching watching the UEFA Champions League then. So yeah, I don't want to I don't want to cannibalize our own company's stream that we'll probably have. Definitely have. All right. Well, tune in. We'll be live for the PMT. Save it for next Wednesday. I'll just use it right now.

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with those blue, blue mountains. OK. So heat Celtics. We get another blowout. Now we'll throw another one into the blowout meter. I these playoffs, I said it on Monday. And again, I know that there's a lot of anti NBA weirdos that want to hop into this storyline of the NBA playoffs game to game, not being very competitive.

And we'll get to hockey later for those. Yeah, right. Like it's it's one of those things that I can hold two thoughts in my head. At the same time, I can love basketball and think that these playoffs have been a little bit disappointing because the series are competitive, but the games are not and I would like for the games to be competitive more than like if you had me choose, I think I'd rather have really competitive games, two point games in a five game series than seven blowouts. Yeah, not a sweep, but like a five to six game series where they're

competitive, where at least we get like three competitive games rather than seven game series where it's like 20 point victories each side. It's all shaping up to be the most confusing NBA finals of all time because you've got the Warriors who we already talked about them tonight. Yeah, but we're time traveling. So the Warriors swept the Mavericks tonight and they they look like they're world beaters. They're they're the old Warriors right now and they're going into the finals

against a team that probably is going to go six or seven games. And it's going to be a fair assumption. It's going to be but it's going to be a blowout for most of them. Thank you, Hank has to go six. Hank, you don't need to be so fucking spicy. But what I'm saying is like you don't know no matter if it's the heat or the Celtics, no matter which team advances to the finals, I have no idea how to handicap this finals.

I don't know if the Warriors are that good. If the heat are that good. If the Celtics are that good. I don't know what I'm going to do. I think we just got to parse it down to this. If any team plays their best, they're the best. You know, it's kind of like because I've talked myself into it many times where I'm like, no one's beating the Warriors best, but what about the Celtics?

Best that could beat anyone. But what about the heats? Best that's a tough team to beat. I'd say like these Celtics could beat those Warriors and those heat could beat those Warriors, but those Warriors would beat these heat. Yes, I followed that. It makes sense. The one thing that confused me about the game.

So it was decided pretty much within the first five minutes. It was 18 to one, I think at some point. The heat missed their first 11 shots. Was it 11 or 12 shots? 13. 13 shots from the field. It was disastrous, disastrous start. I was very confused though with this series and the injuries that happened.

Every single game it feels like, oh, OK, Marcus Smart's not playing. Oh, Tyler Harris not playing. Oh, like, you know, Robert Williams is that right. It was weird to me that the heat, even though the game was decided in the first quarter, they played their starters in the second half. And I was waiting for them to be like, hey, let's punt and go to the next game. And they never really did that. They kept on trying to claw back and it wasn't possible because the Celtics

were just way better than them on Monday night. We'll see if this matters too. But Derek White left the game with like a great injury with like three minutes left when the game was very much decided. Yeah. Hopefully that like isn't a factor, but that was a little bit of Thibodeaux X. Yes. What's the what's the quarters update?

Hang. Yeah, the quarters. What is it, Jake, nine, two and three or something? Well, they tied the third. Great. There was a great game of quarters. Oh, well, so it was only two to one for the Celtics last night to one to one. Yeah.

Wow. Yeah. So the heat of momentum. Yeah, they do. It's true. Yeah, they are. You got to worry about a one game quarter streak. It I also we talked about it on Monday, but bam out of bio being the most

frustrating guy to watch because he's good enough to take over any game. And then I think he had his second field goal attempt with like 60 seconds left in the second quarter. He ended up with five shots total. And it's like every time I'm like, dude, just you're Al Horford deserves a ton of credit. Robert Williams deserves a ton of credit. The Celtics defense is completely different when he's on the floor.

But I just I keep I keep watching Grant Williams. I keep watching Bam being like, just do some stuff, dude. Yeah, he's he's the verbal meme. The guy with the stick poking poking and be like, do something, dude. Yeah. Jimmy Butler last night, I feel like in the first half tried to make this into a Jimmy Butler game. Yeah, but he's not healthy enough to make it a Jimmy Butler game.

So he was taking most of the shots. And bam, I do think that there is something to the fact that like when Jimmy Butler, when he's on your team, like he has to be the alpha. Yeah. And I think that if you're not like a really strong willed dude, then you're just more than happy to let Jimmy Butler go out there and do his thing because he is a dog. And bam, we'll step into the dog role when Jimmy's not there.

But when he's around, he's always going to be the one that's like deferential. Yes. And like lacks a little bit of confidence in himself because Jimmy's out there doing his Jimmy thing, even when Jimmy's not a hundred percent. Like he I don't think he was last night. No, I agree. And also Payton Prichard played well. Yeah, Payton Prichard went after he broke the code.

He did his thing. He broke the code, but he came back. His his whole look when he's wearing like the low top black shoes, a lot of people like jump straight to the like smash the cop button and be like, that guy looks like a cop. Payton Prichard looks like a fucking cop. Definitely. He looks like a like either like a police officer undercover as a bus boy.

Yeah. But he looks like a cop that will show up to a basketball game and then cross everyone up and then bleach report and in Sports Center, Instagram accounts will be like skull emoji, skull emoji. Wow. I love those videos when a cop shows up. It's like a female cop shows up and just gives a guy like 20 and 10 right to his face.

Yeah, like, damn, this is crazy. All right. So I have a question for you, Hank, before I want to get a she's got a gun. Of course, you're not going to take a charge. Yes. Uh, question. Yes.

Marcus Smart defensive player of the year. Correct. That's facts. Would you? Back to fiction fact. Would you agree, though? Robert Williams, most important defender on the Celtics. A hundred percent.

If Robert Williams was healthy all year, he would have been the defensive player. Oh, OK, I think most of the players would agree. It was it was he will be defensive player of the year. Eventually in his career, you could also be like the defensive player of your team, but not the defensive player of the league. Well, that was why a lot of people were injured. But that's that like true. Yeah, people are up in arms with with the guard winning defensive

play of the year, because rim protectors and guys who can alter everyone's shot that gets even close to the rim, like Robert Williams, changes the entire scope of the defense. He had like 30 more blocks of season than Bam, and he missed like 30 more games. So my second question is we're just this is just the mood ring series where we're just riding Hanks mood. You are now back to this team is the best in the world.

It's the best of three. Yeah, I'm planning on going on Friday. Shout out to game time, but I'm I'm expecting it to be a closing match. Confetti. Oh, oh, you're all you. Fetty for winning the East. No, confetti for winning the championship. What if I mean, the village did confetti for the first round? That was yeah, that's kind of thrown off my thing when they

well, no, they did for a game that in win to for making it to overtime. Yeah. And then they lost. So I was confused. This is a confetti at the start of the game. So they don't even do t-shirts. No, it's all different with sports. I think it's confusing. There might be. Yeah, they do.

The t-shirts are like we run the East. Yeah, like the East, the beasts in the East, something like that. I feel like if they do a stage in a trophy presentation, they do confetti as well. They do. So I'm expecting that. And it's the Larry Bird trophy in the Magic Johnson trophy now, they just named that. So yeah, for the most valuable player in in the conference finals,

that'll be awesome. They just keep adding trophies, which is going to be funny, because it'd be great if they do like playing most valuable player playing trophy James Harden. That would be sick. Play on playing P. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, play play in P is in the West, James Harden's in the East. So Hank, are you are you like, give me your confidence meter right now.

You're talking confetti on Friday. So you're saying it's you're even 95 percent. You're throwing out like it's not even a best of three right now. You're just saying like it. We're going to win three games in a row. Yes. So open parlay Celtics Wednesday to Celtics Friday. Yes. Jalen Brown Finals MVP. How do you take this?

Larry Bird MVP. Coming from all of her boss. NBA Finals MVP. Jalen Brown. Yeah. What? Where'd that come from? Stephen Chay. OK. I mean, Hank, you didn't come up with that. But he said it like it's been ruminating in my brain all day.

You don't think Jason Tatum? It's good value, better value. OK. Think about Andre. You know, Jason Tatum is going to try and lock. They're going to try and lock up Jason. But that only happens to Steph. Like there was a narrative going after game three that Andrew Wiggins has been the best player in this Warriors Maverick series.

And everyone's like just because like just because Steph is small doesn't mean we have to take away every MVP from him. In fact, like it does feel like the Steph is the only guy that everyone tries to find someone else on his team. Like, you know who really was important? No, Steph, because Steph gets all the attention and Steph draws everyone to him and everyone else eats around. It's because he's too good.

And he's almost like a gimmick with how good he is. Like it seems like the style of basketball that he plays shouldn't even be possible. So it's he is it is like you're using a game genie and you're like, yeah, you got the high score on game genie, but I got the high score without using the cheat. Right. And it's Steph will go like six for 14 from three and everyone be like, ooh, what's wrong with him?

Yeah, something's wrong with Steph Curry. So I don't know, that's like 40 percent. But let's not forget that Jason Tatum wins the finals in VP. Then Billy has to go vegan. Yeah, for a month, for a month and a half. Yeah, I'm looking forward to that. That's going to cheat. So he has to do it.

If he cheats, he has to he has to restart day one. Yep, because you know he'll test you can do for that. I'll I'll just say that there is. And I'll say that he's lying after the first week. And it'll be a test for me. Also, I don't think we're going to have to do a piss test. He's just going to Texas all on Sunday being like Felipe Chow. And we're like, yeah, Billy, and then he'll eat it.

And I'm like, you're not vegan. So, Jake, Jake, where are you at? Because Hank's showing a lot of disrespect to you. He's he know what Hank's doing. Hank is the national media right now. Hank's gotten so big at his job here at Barclays Sports that he is the face of the national media forgetting about the heat, not showing he culture any respect right now.

To your face, he said that it was going to be a two game sweep. Yeah, I mean, he did say five or six, so he's still alive. And that, yeah, consideration, the problem with this series is that every game is a blowout. So you walk away from like the blowout saying that team will never lose again. Right. Like after game three, I was like, the heat are way better. And then after game four is like, no, the Celtics are way better. So it's I just hope we get a good, good competitive game.

Give us one good competitive game. Game five will be streaming, correct? Yep. So that will be from here, PMT YouTube. Yep. No nuts acts, maybe. There was a sick crowd courtside, too. You see Pitbull was there. Pitbull, Gucci. Oh, yeah, it's Gucci main. Yeah, Gucci main was there.

Big baby, Davis. I saw him there. I get them confused. Yeah, crushing popcorn. I saw there's some Arsenal players. Yeah. The Pistons were there, which is weird. Do you guys know? I heard I didn't. I don't. I don't, you know, it was great talking soccer. I learned a lot the other day.

But I saw someone say he was like disrespected because they showed a bunch of celebrities and they didn't show one of the soccer players. Yeah, that's too bad. Damn. Don't know what any of it meant. Yeah, no, I don't. That one doesn't bother me. Yeah, whatsoever.

I forget. Wait, what were we talking about right before then? There's something else about this game. I was going to bring up. Oh, jailblasters. The Pistons, the Pistons were there, which I actually it's always people always think it's weird when other players go to games like that. But I if you're a fan of ball, you're a fan of ball. Oh, yeah. Big baby, Davis. Yeah, you guys know what big baby Davis has been up to recently?

Nothing getting in trouble. He's been on probation and he violated because he like defrauded the NBA out of a bunch of like money meant for the players after the entire like what Clinton Portis got caught for. But he violated his probation. That game that he snuck into and he took somebody else's seat courtside at the time. You remember that when the when the cameras caught the usher like asking him to move because he got on TV from that.

His probation officer was like, wait a second. It's like a curb your enthusiasm. You're not allowed to be in Massachusetts right now. That's funny. You got arrested for that. All to Hall of Fame crawl guy cry guy. Yeah, big baby Davis. You I feel like there was a stretch there with Kevin Garnett. Just looked at him. He would cry.

Hall of Fame gift guy. Yeah, really. I would I would honestly go to jail if it meant that there was a gif of mine that would live on like well past my death. I think that's well worth it. Yeah. The licking the lips. That is a good gift. All right. Hockey Jake. Is it good or bad to go to a strip club before your team gets bouncing?

Never confirmed. Fully confirmed. The Panthers, if you if you didn't hear the Panthers went full varsity blues. Tampa Bay is a strip club city, probably the number one strip club city in America. And so they all went to a strip club before they got bounced in the playoffs. The most prolific offense in the history of the NHL scored three goals in a four game series. I mean, the lightning are a wagon. The lightning are like crazy.

They're legit. They're starting to reach the point for me where I'm sick of them. Well, here's if they hadn't been so pathetic before they won their first Stanley Cup, I would already be sick of the lightning. But because they bowed out so unceremoniously, first to the to the capitals when Tom Wilson literally punched them out of the playoffs. Yeah. And then the years following that where they were a big disappointment. If it hadn't been for that, I would already be sick of the lightning.

Right now, I'm still I'm like reaching. I'm about to peak on the lightning. That's what's happening right now. I'm peaking on the lightning. Well, they're they're a good test of my theory. They're fun. Yeah. And they're a good test of my theory that it doesn't. As long as you don't know anyone who's a big fan of that team, it can never bother you. Like, I don't know any lightning fans.

They could win every Stanley Cup. I would not be Bob Tom Brady. Tom Brady is a lightning fan. Well, Tom, like Greg Tom Brady, just he brought excellence with him down to Tampa Bay. Yeah, you got to update that stat where he's basically every city he's lived in just wins trophies in San Francisco. So it was San Francisco's Michigan, because the I think the piston. No, the Red Wings won when he was there. And then, obviously, Boston and then Tampa Bay has had many trophies.

I mean, the Reyes got to the World Series. Yeah, they did. That's the last one of the Panther season will be the bikini game. Oh, thank you for reminding me about that. I know it as the Jake lost his phone game. But you got it back and then got it back and got a puck and gave it to you. And you threw it at an usher. Yeah, OK, what I threw it in the direction and the usher happened to be standing there.

I did not throw it at the usher. That's fair. But you also let's put the context in this. You came up to me or upper body. It didn't hit. It didn't hit the usher at all. And it would have to lower body. Classic. Oh, shut up, Hank. You're from Mac Jones. You can't throw. Yeah, the the Panthers.

I mean, that was don't win the Presidents. Yeah, it was bad. But look, there's the first time they want to play off series in 96. Oh, that's in the banner. That's great for them. Yeah, no, that's right there. Right there. That is a good cat. Yeah, go cat. Time to hunt. Time to hunt.

Well, it's not time to hunt anymore. Yeah, it's time. Time to sleep. Time to gather. Time to go. Time to go to the strip club. I don't have a problem with that, honestly. Like, well, I'm not a strip club guy, but I know that hockey guys are a strip club guy. What is this laughing about? Like, have you ever known me to be a strip club guy ever?

I don't understand the concept of strip clubs. Why they're so fun. I am not a big strip club guy myself. So I don't either. I don't know either. I mean, we've talked about it before with Ryan and Titus. There's always one strip club guy in the group. Yeah, the guys that that's always Hank, the guy that's always press. We've been to strip club and tamper together.

Yeah, we did. Oh, wow. Probably because Hank suggested it. Yeah, he was like, let's go to it. Let's go get some food. Like, there's something. Only place I know is strip club. There's something weird about about the guy who's always like, hey, I want. Hey, bro, is you want to go look at naked chicks together?

Yeah, and it doesn't too early in the night. And you're like, all right, just chill out. Strip club. Should we I'm thinking strip club. Yeah, maybe strip club. It's usually the guy that that his wife holds him like right under her thumb the entire time. Yeah. And the second he steps out of his like boobs. And then you leave the strip club.

He's like, hey, none of this gets out. It's like what we literally just went and wasted money staring at naked women. Like, what are you talking about this? We didn't do anything. The avalanche verse, the blues. I was watching that game on Monday night and one of the worst feelings in playoff hockey

is what the blues went through, where they were up one to nothing. And they had like three shots going into like the second period. And you just sit there and you're like, no, this isn't good. This isn't sustainable. This is going to be a problem. We're definitely going to lose this game. And then the avalanche avalanched them. And I think they scored three goals in like a minute and a half.

Yeah. And that was it. What's going to happen with this series is going into every round, you're going to see the odds on the avalanche. And you'd be like, that's way, that's way too heavy. Like, there's no chance. Why would anybody bet on that? You're basically throwing your money away because you're only going to win like 10 bucks off a hundred dollar

bet or whatever it is. And then you're going to bet on the other team and you're going to lose all your money doing that. And then you're going to do the next round and it's going to happen again. Right. I'm just convinced that the avalanche, that this is their year. This is their year. I feel like they're just.

Or maybe the lightning. Maybe. Yeah. Maybe the lightning. That's going to be good finals. This is going to. I'm looking ahead to that already. Lightning canes, though. If it's lightning canes, then HL. That's a tough, that's a tough conference final. Lightning hurricanes. Yeah.

Put it on the weather channel. Am I right? Damn. Yeah. We should have Al Roker. Jim Cantori. Yeah. And the avalanche. Yeah. And the flames. Yeah. Or actually be better of as the Oilers. One thing causes all the others.

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Skrill.com slash barstool. OK. Hank, hot seat, cool throne. Hot seat is society slash my brain. It's kind of an appraisal with this new invention that's come out. Don't really know what to do. I mean, I'm sure you guys remember listening to this show

back in 2016, I brought forward to the world the art of dipping your Oreos in water, essentially washing them. Tastes delicious. Better than milk. If you haven't tried it, you should. All the weird things you do. People try to take that take from me.

But it's definitely top two. The date goes back, for sure. But then today, I don't know if you guys saw this. There's a new cookie, cracker, sandwich invention. All combined? Half Oreo. Oreo filling. And the other half is Ritz.

OK. I don't know. And I don't know whether or not you're supposed to dip that or just rip it. This is kind of, this is like a chocolate covered pretzels what they're going for, it seems like. That's why I kind of said my brain, like I need to try it because I can't really wrap my head around it.

Yeah, it sounds like one thing that. It's a lot. 50% salty, 50% sweet, 100% with an emoji drooling. Here's the thing. These marketing bastards know exactly what they're doing because there's guys like me out there that will buy these new fucked up novelty products once just to try it.

So it could be like any new flavor of Doritos, I'm going to buy it once. Any new flavor of Gatorade, I'm going to buy that once. Any new combo, I'm going to buy that once. This, any new Oreo, I will buy it once. And I always go back to the double stuff. Nothing will ever beat the double stuff. Society peaked when we invented the double stuff.

I don't care that they've taken a little bit of the stuffing out. I think what we have right now with that is just fine. But we keep trying to reinvent the wheel here when we have the best cookie ever right in front of our face. You know what it is too, is that you'll try it and then you will walk away being like, yeah, I miss Oreos and Ritz.

That's probably what it's about. It's like, you know what? For every package of these that we sell, they're going to suck enough that somebody will go back and buy regular Oreos just because they want those instead. Right, right. So I guess I kind of see the salty, sweet thing.

I just like to do it the old fashioned way and go back and forth, switch them back and forth. Do you lick the cream off? I do not. I scrape it. Oh, with your teeth? Yeah. I don't like teeth.

My cool thing is the city of Indianapolis. Yeah? Today, the NFL announced that Indianapolis will host the NFL combined in both 2023 and 2024. So it seemed like it wasn't happening. I know we talked about it on this show. But Cooler Heads have prevailed. I don't know if the coaches did a little silent uproar.

But that seemed like something that the NFL would want to do in Dallas or in Vegas and really up the production value, up the events of it. But Cooler Heads prevailed. Indy's the best city for it. They should never move it from Indy. It's perfectly set up for it. And coaches are creatures of habit.

So we don't want to rock the boat. I think the NFL media, too. I think Peter King probably wrote. He got on his Buzz Williams shit and just wrote Rod Jigdell a letter every single day once he floated this idea out there, being like, don't move it from Indy. I like going to the same bar every single year,

seeing the same people having the same conversation, eating the same steak. They are creatures of habit. It's Groundhog's Day. They love doing that. And I think what Gidell did here, I think this was a smart move by him to float out the idea of moving it.

And then to be like, guess what? We're not going to move it. We're coming back. And now all the NFL writers are like, great job, Rod Jigdell. It's like when he took away Touchdown Celebrations, then brought him back. Brought him back. And then he looks like a hero.

He looks like a trick in the book. And in Indianapolis has the added bonus that you can stay somewhere and never leave. You can never have to go outside. Yeah, it's my dream. Yeah, you can eat in the steakhouse, in the hotel. You can walk in the concourse, to the stadium, to the meetings, everything.

That's a cool thing. What they'll probably do though, because the whole idea of moving it out of Indy was to get more money for the league. They'll probably just sponsor the fuck out of every event at the combine. So it'd be like the Oikos 40-yard dash and the Pepsi bench press.

Right, and the Chevy Mike Silver drinks five bottles of wine at this steakhouse tonight. Yeah, the Wonderlick, presented by Bud Light. All right, PFT, your hot seat, cool throne. My hot seat is Rex Chapman. Ooh. Our favorite TNT. What was he on?

True TV? TNT plus, he had his own show for like a week. He killed TNT plus. Blocker charge. So it goes, he's on the hot seat because Twitter got rid of the tweet video feature. So you can't do the thing where you hold down on the video and then you just tweet the video out.

You have to quote tweet the entire tweet now. Yeah. Oh really? No, he saved, he saved, he saved. And you hold down the video instead of just on your timeline. No, I do that, but you can't do it anymore. You have to click into it. The actual video.

Oh, into the video, they changed it. All right, so Rex Chapman is on the cool throne. One slight extra step. Yeah, he'll be on the cool throne two days once he listens to this podcast and then figures that out. But I have noticed that I went back, I don't actually follow him on Twitter, but I went back and checked his timeline

to see how this new feature is affecting him. And he's doing quote tweets now, but then he's going back and retweeting his own tweets like four hours later to get the extra engagement. That's always a real smart thing to do. So I guess he's on the hot seat and the cool throne at the same time. I like it.

My cool throne, I've got two. My first one is Alex Caruso. He's on the cool throne because he is the last man on earth to get arrested for weed. He got arrested in college station by Texas A&M police officers. Texas A&M just tweeted out today a picture of their grow-up that they have on campus.

They're just growing weed on campus now. And they're using it for like hemp and for I guess all sorts of stuff. But Caruso saw that and he was like, what the fuck? You guys arrested me a year ago for having a grinder and now you've got an entire wing of a new building dedicated to growing marijuana. So free Caruso.

I think we need to say as a podcast that like, they need to expunge his record. I want a public apology to Alex Caruso for arresting him for having a grinder there. I want Jimbo to give him a public apology while high. This is what, that would be a great idea. But if Nick Saban was smart, he would be talking about this

and not about the paying players. He'd be like, listen, you can go to college station but they'll arrest you if you have a joint. Yeah. And while growing weed in their backyard. While growing weed in their backyard. It's bullshit. So free Caruso. Also my cool throne is Mac Jones.

Oh, that was mine. You want to take it? Yeah, sure. He's got. He's jacked. He's already best shape of his life. Yes. Which is that, is that good though year two?

Cause you can't go better than best shape of your life. No, you can get better. You can maintain. You can still be in the best shape. No, no, no. No, yes. Absolutely. You can have the best season of your life

and then the next season have a better season. Which then becomes the best season of your life. But you have one off season to come into the season best shape in your life. Disagree. I think that's how it works. I mean, it's good that he's best shape in his life. His stomach is no more is what was said.

How are his eyes? Six packs. Are they still red? Still red. Yeah. Meeping. Six pack summer. Me and Mac.

Is it, are you ready to unveil? In the summer I will be. Okay. I'm getting there. Has he been working on his posture for Matt Patricia? That's what I'm worried about. Switching back and forth. Hank, have you been following what's going on

with the offense side of the ball? You talking about the coaching staff? Bill said that he has no concerns with the coaching staff. So I don't either. Yeah, he said there's an open competition to see who's going to be the offensive coordinator. That's good. Competition breeds greatness.

I've never heard that. Well. It's training camp for coaches too. It is, it would be good to have competition but the two people competing are Joe Judge and Matt Patricia to be offensive coordinator neither of whom have been offensive coordinator. Yes.

Offensive coordinator. And Joe Judge offensive coordinator. He was an offensive guy, no? Matt Patricia and Joe Judge was special teams. Yeah. Pretty much offensive. It's close enough. They have the ball in their hand for part of the place.

So fake punts. Yeah. That's, I would say it's alarming if Belichick said he wasn't concerned. What do you think? Otherwise I would be like, what the fuck is going on? Do you think Belichick would be like, hey, listen, I'm worried about our offense this year?

Do you think he'd ever say that? Yeah. He's a pretty honest guy with the media. I did like things wearing a Celtics hat. I love when coaches of other teams do that. And all the Red Sox players are like going to and from the bus with like Celtics jerseys on. Yeah.

It is funny whenever it's coming together. It's Nick Siriani's wet dream. He's like, damn, I wish the Sixers were in the conference final, I can do that. All right, my hot seat. That was my cool throw. My hot seat is balloons in Nebraska. So they are done with the Red Balloon tradition.

Helium Shortage is what they're claiming now. So it's been a tradition since the 1960s that in a Nebraska home game in football, everyone brings a Red Balloon. They score their first offensive touchdown. They all release it. Now, Trev Alberts, the AD, famously known as giving Scott Foster too many years,

he has said that it's no more, no more. Helium Shortage in the world. I guess we get a lot of our helium from Russia. Didn't know that. And no more balloons. Is this like, I thought it was like a 99 Red Balloon situation where they don't want to start a nuclear war. So you can't release them anymore.

Yeah, it's, I hope they keep, I think they will keep doing it. I think they tried to stop this a few years ago and then fans just brought their own balloons because like, there's not that big of a helium shortage, but it is funny for them to have like a presser and be like, yeah, no more Red Balloons, helium shortage. Think of the turtles also. Don't the balloons just land in the ocean and kill turtles.

A guy did try to sue them in, I think it was like four or five years ago being like the balloons land and then it's just waste. Like, yeah, we know. Yeah, that's what happened. But do they really though? But they also, you need it for the touchdown. Do they really land?

I don't think so. I don't think they do. They go forever. I think you release a balloon and then at that point, you're just like, that's someone else's problem. That's God's problem right now. And it's someone like two counties over's problem. Yeah, I always assumed that it would just like

go into the ocean somewhere, maybe go to the North Pole. It would be funny if there was one guy in Nebraska, like in the wind always went a certain direction. He's like, yeah, my farm has been ruined because every time they have a prolific offense, I just have balloons popped on my yard. Yeah, well, that wouldn't be like, he'd probably be pretty happy since like the 80s.

Yeah, it's been, I think maybe that's why they're doing it. They're like, we just really don't want to be embarrassed when we don't score until the second half. Well, there's nothing more sad than going to a Nebraska game and then going home with your balloon. Yes, yes. They're probably just trying to limit that. But either way, that's a stupid thing to stop.

Traditions are fun in college football. That's what makes college football, college football is the tradition. I also think that any tradition, if you do the math and you really calculate, okay, how much harm does this do to the environment? Almost every tradition sucks for the environment. But guess what?

We need some traditions to carry on. We need something to look forward to, yeah. Jake, wrap us up with Hot Seed Cool Throw and then we'll get to George and Greg. My Hot Seeds, the Arizona Cardinals, they've been selected for the in-season hard knocks edition. Yes. I mean, look, there's two ways to think of this.

One, it's in the middle of college football, the World Cup, Feast Week, and the NFL season. So I don't know how many people are gonna run to that. And B, it gives you an opportunity to tweet at Kyler. Yeah, I mean, it's gonna be fun to watch the, they probably have the best story arc of any team because the beginning of the hard knocks will be all cheery and awesome

and then everything will fall apart and it will be fun to watch. Yeah, Kyler Murray might not even be on the team at that point. That's true. I don't know. I'm looking forward to seeing how Kyler, I wanna see Kyler when he knows he's on camera

and see if he acts any differently than I've seen him in the past, where he seems like he just doesn't care about a lot. That's just like his normal personality is just kind of there. I'm curious to see if he like hams it up for the cameras at all. If he tries, well, oh, JJ Watt.

Yes. He's gonna be there. I saw he tweeted out yesterday that he needs to bring back the Fort Miner. Yes. That would be great. If they're smart, they would have him do that. If he did that, it would be very funny.

It was to see Cliff Kingsbury's house. Yeah. That's good. That's true. Maybe it's not really a hot seat, but yeah. Okay, and your cool throne? My cool throne is Mike White. Yes.

Today, reminder was set. I have the clip from the November 5th podcast. Let's go. I'll remember Mike White that. I mean, the big winner of tonight for the Jets has got to be Mike White though. Yes. Because he looked decent on a couple drives that he was in.

Everything we said, we said, when you're a backup quarterback in the NFL, the best thing you can do is have an awesome game and then immediately get injured and secure your like status as an NFL quarterback for 10 years. Mike White, I'll remember Mike White. Mike White.

Put in a reminder, don't forget about Mike White. May 24th, he's going to. There we go. It was the Thursday night game where he got hurt. That's beautiful. Yeah. We remember Mike White. May 24th, here we are.

He does suck. No, he doesn't. He was great that one game, then he got hurt. No, I don't think. Come on the pod. Come on the pod. I don't think Mike White is good enough to suck. You sure?

I was enthusiastic. I think that he's just like, he's just Mike White. Mike White, let me see. What was, what were his stats after that? Cause didn't he come back in and then suck? Then they beat the Bengals. Mike White. Isn't that the game where it all?

That was the beginning of the Mike White. Five touchdowns, eight interceptions. I'm going through his timeline right now. Oh, March 25th was Mike White's birthday. The Jets tweeted out, Uber Eats says happy birthday, Mike White. Nice. So yeah, remember he did, he screwed up

because he got hurt in that indie game where he played well, but then he came back the next week and through four interceptions against the Bills. That's what happened. Well, we're remembering him. We do remember him. We remember that he stinks. He's AWL.

I'm pretty sure he is. Mike White, come on the show. I'll say it to your face. That's fine. I like Mike White. I hope he thinks he's in his career. I have a friend who's friends with him. Oh, wow.

Wow. Yeah. Where'd that connection come from? What school did Mike White go to? Well, he graduated in Western Kentucky, but I believe he started at USF. My friend went to USF. Got it.

Yeah. All right, all right, fine. You talk me back into Mike White. All right. Okay, let's go to our good friends, George Kittle and Greg Olson. And then on the other side, we have Bo Knows Ball with Bo Polini questions from the AWLs

with Bo Polini in studio. OG guest. OG guest. You guys probably talked about that, didn't you? Oh yeah. Yeah, we did. I realized that after I said that. No, I realized that after I said that.

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And now let's get to the Greggs. Ooh. Three, two, one. Okay, we now welcome on. Did you just steal my clap, George? I think you saying three, two, one on the clap, it's an indication that everybody should clap. But George stole my clap.

No, no, that's what I do on my podcast. We all clap. Oh, you have a podcast. Oh, okay. All right, so. I do. I've invited you both. I want to talk about it.

If you guys want to talk about it, we can talk about all of our podcasts. That'd be great. Yeah, this entire interview is just like, let's talk about what you guys talk about in a podcast. Yeah, no, Gregg, we know you have a podcast because you stole Mikey podcast from us. Correct.

Right. You can talk about it. You can talk about it. It's Greg Olson and George Kittle. It's going to get confusing because we do call George Gregg. They're on, they have tight end you coming up again, which is getting tight ends,

the recognition they deserve, which we can get into this, but I think you guys have too much recognition at this point, but I wanted to start with a softball. I have a softball for both of you. Who wants to go first? All right.

Kittle. All right, George, your softball is, when do you think Tom Brady will take Gregg's job as the number one guy in the booth? It's a great question. You know, I don't know. Gregg kind of has his tenacity to him. I don't know if he's going to let anyone take his job.

Okay. But it is Tom Brady and there are six Super Bowls attached to that. So that's kind of false, so that's... Yeah. Wait, is he in seven? Is he in seven? I think he's in seven.

Is it seven? I think he has seven. Seven. That's too many Super Bowls. If he gets eight, I'm fucked. You're fucked. All right, so Greg, my question for you,

which was a softball is Tray Lantz or Jimmy G, who's starting for the 49ers week one? I'm saying Tray Lantz. Okay. And Greg, for people who are listening, not watching, he's nodding with approval right now, so... Am I? Yeah.

And by Greg, they mean George. So who's on first? I have no idea what's going on. Greg, are you going to mentor Tom Brady in the booth and train him on how to take your job? Yeah, that's actually been a big part of the negotiations. No, I'm kidding. No, I have nothing to do.

When I heard about the Brady news, I heard about it the same way everybody else did. Hopefully things are working out. We're talking to them now. We're in discussions about what that looks like between now and whenever that day he retires of, hopefully calling a Super Bowl and calling their A slate this year.

So hopefully that works out. We're talking to them right now. But anytime you find yourself in a battle with Tom Brady, I think it's pretty clear who wins. It is. I mean, you did a great job, your first year broadcasting this year, and it's going to be great to hear you

on those premier games on Sunday afternoons. I would have to imagine there's a little small party that's like, oh, this kind of sucks, but if there's one guy in the world who you can't really be mad, it's the guy with seven Super Bowls. Yeah, if they would have hired someone all along, like we thought we were in the mix and we had good dialogue,

and obviously they weren't going to tell us exactly what was going on behind the scenes. And we had heard the same rumors everybody else did and we were trying to make sense of it all. And then when the news came, it was like you just said, I was, if it was someone else, like if I got jumped by someone else, I would have wanted to burn.

Yeah, sure. I would have wanted to burn the city to the ground, right? I would have been pissed and whatever, but like when you lose out to Tom Brady, it's like, this sucks. At least he doesn't take the job now. Maybe I can have my time in the sun and like keep his seat warm until he gets there.

But yeah, if you're going to lose, at least lose to him, right? I mean, I can at least live with, I got beat out. The only person in the world who beat me out was Tom Brady. I can live with that. I think you got a room for him to not win a Super Bowl this year,

because if he wins, I think that's when he does retire. But if he doesn't win one this year, then it's like, oh, shit, he has to come back next year. I personally think his career doesn't really, I think you can't really make a judgment on his career until he has eight Super Bowls. So I think if he really wanted to achieve something, he should just continue to play

and see if he can win another ring. Arians is gone, win one for Todd Bowles. I think it's only fair that he wins one for the next guy. And if it doesn't happen this year, hopefully it's within the next 10. George, I was just admiring, as Greg was talking, your ability to tie your hair up into that sick little topknot that you have.

You were doing like some intricate hand position. It took you about like 45 seconds to do that. I don't know how that's done. I've had long hair for like 10 years. I still don't know how to do what you just did. My wife taught me. Oh, well, she did a hell of a job. It's like you're doing origami with your hair.

Thank you. I really appreciate that. What's the new tattoo? I just saw it on your hand. Yeah. Oh, it's Hobbs from Calvin and Hobbs Comics. Awesome. Is that real? Yeah.

That's amazing. There's nothing better than getting a new tattoo and having someone ask, is that real? That's amazing. Dude, that's sick. No, I know all my teammates were like, is that a henna tattoo? I was like, nah, it's not really my thing.

I did get on Sunday before I flew back though. It was nice. I love that. I feel like kids these days, they don't know about Calvin and Hobbs. It's one of the all time greats. You need to get, yeah, they need to get on that. You'll learn something, maybe a thing or two.

Hey, was that last year that we made that you showed us your ass tattoo? Yeah, I think so. It was. Yeah, it was. You never showed your ass though. Yeah. I don't have an ass tattoo.

I have nothing to show. I got some hair. That's about it. He's got a third leg. Yeah. Yeah, I've heard about that third leg. Actually, at TEU, you know what you should do? You should just like sneak up behind him

and then rip the back of his jeans off and expose to the world. Yeah, let's talk about it. Yes. What are you doing? It's fun. What's happening? Billy, you can chime in any time you want here.

Wait, is Billy here? Yeah, he's here. What's up, I'm off. Billy, what's up, dude? How are you doing? Dude, I've seen your legs a lot recently on the internet. So it all started where I've been taking my jeans to a laundromat and they're getting pretty beat up.

And they've been ripping when I've been sitting down. So I had some tin foil ass jeans. And there's been a trend going around where people are ripping each other's pants. I was like, we should do that. And we did. And it became a problem. Yeah, it's a problem now.

So it started as it actually was like a TikTok, viral TikTok I don't know, two weeks ago. We were out in Vegas and Billy was like, hey, there's a viral TikTok. Basically, PFT and I, every day, we just sit in the office and Billy comes up and he's like, hey, I need you to do this TikTok. And we don't even know where they go.

He just films us and then they just go out on the internet. So when he says, hey, I need you to rip the jeans off of my ass, I'm like, all right, fine. So I did it. Then we came back and now it's become we did it again. PFT did it to him. But now it's like real. Like now people are in the office

are trying to rip the jeans off each other's asses. I saw someone, was it PFT who tried to rip someone else and then he got like countermoves, like reverse two points. He got taken down and your pants got ripped. Yeah, so I mean, I saw that. I tried to rip Billy's ass off and then Billy defended against me because he was wearing mugsy jeans,

which don't rip, they stretch. And then he just pushed me off and then he landed on me and ripped the back of my pants off. I wasn't wearing underwear at the time and my balls just flopped out from behind. Big balls. Yeah. They're like normal sized balls.

You can see it. Small person. You can judge for yourself on TikTok if you go follow, pardon my take. Well, you can't anymore. I might go look. Because Billy- I might go look.

I saw the video Billy showed to me and I was like, that's a funny video. Like objectively speaking, male nudity usually plays. I didn't know that my balls popped out because I didn't watch it in slow-mo. Billy uploaded to TikTok and then I watched it in slow-mo and I was like, that's just my nutsack.

You can vary. It flops back. It's very funny to see it like, it pops up like a carp coming to the top of a lake and then drops immediately back down. And I was like, Billy, please delete that from TikTok. He deleted it. But then some people screen grabbed it pretty quickly.

So the one that's on TikTok now is censored but the original uncut, there was balls. But I'm of the mindset that like balls are always funny. Yeah, I think balls are what they are, right? Yeah, yeah. No, they're very funny. I'm glad we got to the bottom of that. I was waiting.

I was looking forward to this for no other reason than I was trying to wrap my head around what was happening. We had to be on the off-the-shelf. Wouldn't like a good defense system just be like cut the pockets off your jeans? That's probably the next thing up. But that's what you think. Yeah, that would definitely make it more.

Like if you start a rip, it would be very easy to rip. But if you just cut the pocket out, then there's nothing to grab. I think it's just assless chaps. You got to wear assless chaps. Everywhere. Don't hate it. That also becomes like a challenge.

If you cut the back pockets off entirely, it's like daring other people like you can't rip these jeans. Even God himself could not rip them. I think that like we go through these types of scenarios as a podcast a lot where like four years ago, we got really into sack tapping each other. And then you go too far. You're walking around in fear all the time.

I hit big cats so hard that I thought that he would never have kids. Fact check, false? Yeah. And then we just realized, okay, we've gone too far. We need to stop. I think we've reached the point where we've been too far

because Billy got Will Compton and just like tore a leg off of his pants. Right. That was awesome. I know, but Will deserves that. Yeah, he does. He's a Nebraska guy. He deserves that.

You're absolutely right. But PFT's right. Like Barstool here, our office is already crazy enough. When you add the element of like, will I have my pants ripped off my body at any moment? It becomes very tough to just live day to day. It's like walking around a locker room. Yeah, but back when you were allowed

to like towel snap somebody like in high school, you know, like when you're a freshman, they don't do that anymore. I think you get like kicked out of school. But like when we were still, like when we were growing up, like the young kids would walk around and fear going to the shower

because the older seniors would like, you know, make a towel snake and like snap them in the ass. It's like, I get it. I've been there. I think if you guys are looking for something to be instantly viral for TEU, a video of that would be very funny. Like you, you just absolutely pantsing Johnny Smith

or something like that. We just go around and just pull each other's leave eyes off. Yeah. Yeah. Ooh. Wow, nice plug. They're a sponsor. Nice plug. That was a good plug.

Yeah, that is. Yeah. So I said it at the beginning, but do you guys think like, I know that when you started TEU, it was like, hey, tight ends, you know, all of us getting together, teaching each other stuff. Like it's a brotherhood,

but I feel like tight ends get more respect than any other position at this point. It's become the position in the NFL where it's like, if you don't have a great tight end, you're in trouble. Well, yes and no. I mean, I definitely think it's, there's more respect coming our way. But if you look at like the last,

or however, how many Super Bowl winning teams, every team has had like a really, really talented, a tight end on their team. To George's point, you know, I think part of the evolution of the position has kind of, and what was cool is, you know, when I came in the league, there was a handful of guys, right?

There was Gates and there was Whitton and there was Gonzalez and, you know, there was a handful of guys and then ever, you know, everybody else was just kind of run of the mill, you know, give or take. And now to George's point, almost every prominent team, prominent offense, playoff contender, Super Bowl contender,

has a legit dude at the position. I think you can see it now and how they're getting paid. I think you can see it now in their production. I mean, you look at George, you look at Kelsey, you look around the league, Mark Andrews. I mean, the Darren Waller, I mean, the production that these guys are having when I first came in the league,

if you wanted to be a top 10 tight end in the league, if you had five, 600 yards, you would be in the top 10. Now you get five, 600 yards, like you're an afterthought. You're a guy that doesn't really get, it's just a completely different world and I think it's a credit to more people want to play the position because it is a little bit more highly thought of.

It's a little more acclaimed, you know, in years past, these bigger guys would go play defense or they, you know, get smaller and go play wide receiver. Now guys, they grow up wanting to play tight end and I think we're getting better athletes to play the position. And as a result, more and more guys are entering the league that are capable of doing it.

Yeah, but you've got, I feel like National tight end day over the last couple of years, it's kind of like, it's become a look at me thing for you guys. Whereas before it was like tight ends, gritty position, almost like the flash your nephew of the fullback. Now it's like, you've got your own holiday.

Like a lot of people are saying like it's, it's become a little too showy. Are you saying that we sold out? I'm not saying that. Other people are telling you. Some would say that. Let's just say hypothetically, if Billy said that to you guys, what would you say to them?

I'd rip his pants off. Well, but it's, who's getting snubbed this year? Cause I know that that's like, who's coming to the tight end you? Because I thought that last year, was there a couple of guys who were a little, little hurt that they didn't get the invite? Tebo.

Tebo, yeah. Tebo. Probably, I mean, I think we're not going to lie. Last year, we totally underbooked, we did not think that we would get as many guys down. I think when me and Greg and Travis first talked about it, we're, our goal is like 20 to 25. And it was like, we're gonna have some fun with it.

And then next thing we know, we're at 40 and then come like the first day we're at 49, 50 guys. And yeah, we definitely had to turn some guys away. And that's the whole point of this year's, we're trying to make it open to almost everybody. And what weekend is that? June 22nd, 23rd and 24th. Okay.

Very cool. Why don't you guys come? Is there a chance you guys make it down there? This, so Billy's going to try to get an invite. And I don't think we trust him to go by himself. That's the Barstool Idol week is that week. So we got a next, like you got to tell us when it is next year and we'll make sure

that we have it completely blocked off. Love that. Like I'm in, but it just so happens. Yeah, Billy's, Billy's been like, he's trying to get an invite, but I don't know. We got to see how he. I was so well-behaved in Vegas. We got to see how well he's acting as Billy.

You guys could maybe help us with this. Cause you guys been in the league for a long time and you ever have a teammate who after a good game, you can just tell maybe their effort isn't the same in practice next week. They kind of sit back a little and they're like, I fucking rocked. I'm the man.

I don't have to do this anymore. We deal with that a little times. Yeah. Like Billy has actually been doing a great job. All compliments to Billy. But every time I do give him a compliment, we usually have like a four to five day, Billy's going to go get drunk and we won't hear from him.

I mean, I don't, I'm not going to make you not do that, Billy. That kind of sounds like a fun invite. This is what we're afraid of. Yes. So some guys, some guys want to rest on their laurels. Some guys think they've arrived. Some guys have the number one show on, on the internet. They just keep banging away every week and grinding.

It's, there's two different types of people. And, you know, if Billy can't handle the success, that's going to be a problem. I, how about this? How we, what we should do is we should sit, we should say that we will send Billy, but we'll keep like, we'll put a chart up on the wall and he gets a sticker for every good day that he has here.

If he doesn't- Yeah, it's like a buckeye. Yeah, exactly. Like a helmet sticker on the wall and he has to collect a certain amount of those to be able to go and he won't know until like the last week, whether or not he'll- My kids collect emojis.

It's what we do with my kids. Big cat, you can steal this idea when your kids get older. We do emojis and we keep track of it in our notes section. So every single time they do something like above and beyond what they're expected to do, like be nice to their sister or, you know, whatever they're, they're supposed to do and they go above and beyond.

They get an emoji and they could pick it, whatever emoji they want. And sometimes they pick funny ones and they don't even know it. There's like five eggplants in my wife's notes section. I'm like, that's awesome. I love it. And then they can cash them in for like prizes

or a new whatever, like they can cash them in. It's almost like fake money kind of thing for Deed. So that's parenting one-on-one and also a very good idea by you guys to get a good call. That's genius. Yeah, we gotta do the emojis. So we're gonna keep track of Billy's emojis. If he gets like, I don't know, let's say 15 emojis

by the time it comes around, maybe we'll send him, but he has been doing a lot better. It's just one of those situations that like, there's a world where Billy was well-behaved in Vegas just so that he could go to tight end you. Like he, you know what I mean? So we just gotta be aware of everything with Billy. He's always scheming.

So there's a good chance he'll get there. He's gotta earn it. Just wondering, did you guys see my write up on tight end you from last year? We saw it. Yeah. I mean, I just think I'd be a very good. I didn't love it.

I know, I know. I mean, I just, it was all I saw. So if I was there, I'd probably be able to get a better. Get some good coaching points. Yeah, get a better. Yeah, all I know is if you do come this year, you better, you gotta be better than that. I thought your article last year was shit.

Yeah. I mean, did you see it? Do you know the title of the article? I blocked it out from my brain. Tight end university, a party school. Wow. Okay. So you're not taking them serious.

You're putting labels on us Billy. Yeah. I just got, I didn't see the work from the social media output. I saw yoga and shotgunning beers and bathtubs. The shotgunning beer. The Bud Light Cooler. Yeah.

The shotgunning beers, some, you know, all this shit does take a lot of money just for the record. So yeah, there is some stuff that we have to do to pay the bills. Cause when guys come in and George throws them a great party in his hometown of Nashville, shit ain't free. So we were very fortunate that we had great partners.

We've already gotten two of them in very organically. And now I'm going to throw in the third one. Not quite as organic, but a Charmin, you can see it on George's shirt. They are a present sponsor. And if you don't get it guys, they take care of your tight end. Oh.

I was going to say cause you guys have gotten baby shit soft for soft. Yeah. It goes both ways. I'd say it goes both ways. I think it can depend on which angle you're coming to and from. But all that, all the sponsors

are what makes all of this possible. You know, to host 75 to 100 guys this year and put everybody up in Nashville and bust them around and host events and, you know, rent Vanderbilt and all that. We're fortunate that we have great partners and we get to throw what we think is of all these positions that host these events,

ours is the best. And a big part of that is because we can, we can treat our guys really well because of our partnership dollars. And then everything we don't spend goes to charity. So it's a win-win for everybody. I'll say something nice about tight ends. I think that you have the coolest people

playing the position in the NFL right now. If you look around like per capita tight ends, those are mostly guys that I would want to hang out with. Yeah. I think that's right. Yeah. I mean, we actually do want to come next year. We will absolutely make a trip of it

and just interview all the tight ends. I have a question for you, Greg, because you're retired so you can speak on this more. Would you ever have a situation when you were playing that maybe like a star player wanted a new contractor, wanted to be traded? How did you deal with that? Yeah, I mean, there was times where I wanted a new contract.

I never demanded that a team traded me, but I'm all for that shit. I think everybody should be able to get their money, get what they're paid. And I think, and last year people got crazy when I made that comment. I was actually on here talking about TEU and I made the comment about tight ends

don't get paid enough and people like brought up my contract earnings that I was complaining. Making money in the NFL is not, yes, the money's important and all that. It's about respect amongst your peers. Like when everybody's chasing that next contract, all they're asking is that they get paid accordingly

based on their production, their value to the team and in accordance with other players at their position. So when George is up for a new contract, it's not that 10 million isn't enough or that five million isn't enough. If the top tight ends makes 16, he should make that just because he's amongst the top players, if not the best at the position,

him and Travis and whatnot. So like it's kind of a pride thing. And then everyone just uses the money as the scale. So yeah, when a star guy wants a new contract, like if he's deserving and his play and his history on the field is in accordance with someone else at a higher level of income, I think that guy should make all the money he can.

And how would you act if he like removed all mentions of your team from social media, like took him out of the bio, all that type of stuff? I probably would offer a pay cut. The type of guy that I am, I'd probably go to management and offer some of my salary to make this hypothetical player happier. Well, let's just go farther than hypothetical.

He's an elite wide receiver who also runs the ball. Let's just pretend that's who we're talking about. Yeah, yeah, exactly. I think that's, yeah, and again, whether that's a real person or not, I think just for argument's sake, it's a good comparison. It's a good talking point. You know, I think if you say you were

on the same side of the ball. Yeah, yeah. So you were on the same side of the ball just to further the conversation even deeper. I think it's what you're obligated to do, especially if you happen to have a young quarterback potentially coming into the role. Right.

But some guys are just built different than others. Yeah, and as a tight end that would be on that side, it's like, you're responsible and you take a lot of pride in your blocking. So a lot of those holes that are opening up are also because of the work that you're putting in on there. So how do you weigh, okay, I deserve this much money, which I may have just been paid on new contract,

versus how much do I want to pay to my teammate to keep him around? Right. Give up. Yeah. This is a great hypothetical point. Yeah. Well, it's just,

it's called using your imagination. Yeah. But I like the idea that like, if you're a really good teammate and a really good, you know, you're a tight end brotherhood, you should give up some of your money for this other guy. Even though he's not a tight end? No, right.

But that's especially because he's not a tight end. Kind of plays like a tight end sometimes. Yeah, we bridge the gap between positions. All of branch. Like Hank, for example, gave up a lot of his salary to keep us happy here. So we, you know, we think of ourselves as more than a team, really a family.

Right. Is Hank there too? No, he's our boss now. He's upstairs. He's closing deals. Yeah. No, I'm not, you're laughing. He's wearing a suit.

He literally comes in every day. He commutes. He's like, you know, like think of like the most quintessential New York scene, hustle and bustle, a bunch of suits walking down the street. Hank is just one of those guys in the rat race. That's what he does every day. He's got a Bluetooth earpiece now too.

Yeah. All right. I have one last question for you guys. Tight end you coming up. We're going to be there next year. I'm putting a guarantee on this. Okay. We're going to be there next year.

We just need the dates beforehand. We'll come, we'll even teach a class. You want us to teach a class? How about we'll teach a class on what to say and not say about Debo Samuel's contract situation on a podcast. Okay. Do you have any tips right now? What would you say?

I would say, I would say, I would say, I love Debo so much, I'll play for free so he can be on my team. Okay. You would say that? I would personally say, I love Debo so much. Wherever he goes, I go. Yeah.

I'd play in the NFL right now for free. How come you guys, how come you guys didn't give up any money for the caller daddy girls to stay at Barstool? Oh, we did. We did. We actually did. You guys gave up your money.

More than money. All of it. You gave up your pride and money. Yup. Hey, own. Sofia with an F owns, pardon my take. I don't think you knew that. Wait, we got to do an ad break.

If you're having any issues doing the Gluckluck 9000, try for him's throat numbing spray. Use promo code Gluck for 20% off. All right. Yeah. Back to you guys. The truth is Hank fired him. Yeah.

Hank fired, he's just cutting everyone over here. He's actually, be careful, Greg, because Hank has enough power now that he'll cut your podcast, even though you don't even work for us. I don't love that. Yeah. Hey, Kat, is your kid playing a youth sports

that you want to be a guest? He's two and a half. We played soccer last summer and he just chased pigeons around. Can he use both feet? No, he just picks the ball up and then. So he's the goalie. There was, you know what it was?

The problem was there was this one kid who would always come late and the kid's mom would bring fruit snacks. So like the kid would show up. My son would be like kind of in it for, you know, it's fucking two year old soccer, whatever. He'd be like kind of like following along for like 10 minutes.

Then this kid would come up, come with the mom and the fruit snacks and it would just be over. He'd just be like, all right, it's fruit snack time. And it's just like the next 30 minutes was just, there was nothing left. So I gotta just. We covered that.

We covered that on our last episode, how to prevent distraction at practice. Yes. I feel like you could be a nice guest on it when we do a follow up to that episode. Yeah. I got mom to fucking keep her fruit snacks at home. Mom was paying.

She's got to stay in the car. Yeah. All right. So my last question, it's a rowback question. RHO, BACK, use code take for 20% off your first purchase. Okay. Real question for both of you. You could start, Greg. TightNU has been awesome.

What is this? Year three? Two. Two. Tell me what it looks like year 10. Are you guys, someone told me that you guys are basically doing this so you can become their agents and make billions.

Is that true? Listen, I wish. That's Greg's goal. That is not my goal. I think the ultimate end game for this, I think if we could dream up a scenario where this would grow is obviously right now we're focused on servicing the professional levels,

whether that's an undrafted rookie to perennial pro bowlers with George and Travis and everybody in the team, right? So I think this year will take us 75, give or take guys at the professional level. I think now, especially with NIL and opportunity with younger amateur players to now come around and be around events

that are driven by sponsors and partnerships. I think if we could bring in and grow both the college and then beneath that, like a youth component and make TEU like more of like a track where we can get our hands on, you know, guys that are coming up through the ranks at TightNU that are playing high school ball, we can get involved with them,

coach them almost like a Manning Passing Academy type thing then have them back through their college careers. And then of course, for those who make it have guys and like whoever that first like lifer is the kid who came in high school, college and pro maybe one day that happens like, I think there is a larger play at this. You know, we run this as a nonprofit,

the money that takes to run from all the sponsors and whatnot pays for the event. And then everything else, Boys and Girls Club, we partnership with Bridgestone on a camp and donate to a lot of Nashville area charities. So like everything else goes to nonprofit. So I think it's just our way of being around the guys, hanging out with the guys and passing the torch, right?

Continuing to build the position and get, you know, some of the best minds in the game together. And hopefully one day that trickles down to the younger class of high school kids who want to come learn from, you know, the best guys in the world at what we do. And in 10 years, we were at that level.

I think TEU would be a really special summer, you know, summer event that everyone kind of marked their calendars with. That's awesome. All right. Yeah. Go ahead, George. Just on top of that, like, like connecting the, well, high school players, NFL players and in between like one of the cool things

we're doing this year too, like we're bringing back NFL legends. And so like, and I can kind of just be like a, I don't know, not a safety nut, but just a connection for every single tight end in the NFL and high school and college. I don't just be really fun for all those guys just to learn and really vibe together, honestly. I love it. Billy's got his hand up.

He's had his hand up for the last 30 minutes. So we're going to call on Billy here. I was just wondering, like serious question. Have you been like trying to create something for tight ends much like the Manning passing Academy or one of these? I think you just said that. I think that's what that is. I think they literally compared it to the Manning.

You just said that. Billy, Billy, that's not an emoji. That's not a gold star. Taking an emoji, we're down one. I think what happened was there just to translate, Billy had his question before you answered yours, both of you guys. So he had his hand raised and he wasn't listening

because he was like, I have something I have to say. And then you guys answered that. You got to be able to multitask. If you've ever been in a relationship, you're going to get yelled at that a lot. Let's get a headline grab real quick. Get some buzz going for TEU. George, do you want to play football until you're 40 years old?

If my body allows me, I'd love to. OK. Greg, do you want to call Games as the Fox broadcast a game for the next 20 years? Yes. Oh, wow. Tom Brady, watch out, bro. Not a good mentor. Wow.

Yeah. Can you give us, can you do the Ryan Tannehill with Tom Brady? I was just going to say, I'm like Tannehill. I'm like Tannehill. It's not my job. You're not a good teammate. I was literally just going to say the same thing. I'm like Tannehill when he got bashed for saying

that he was going to look after his own job before he taught his guy he was going to steal his job. How would that work for you guys? Did anybody mentor you when you got, I guess that's what TEU is for, right? To have older guys that might not be on your team to talk to you about their craft and how to do it. But did anybody on your team, when you guys ever

got into the league, were they like, hey, here's what I've learned, here's how you can be successful? Or was it like, it's up to you, you're a grown man, figure it out? When I got drafted to Chicago, they had a really good veteran, Titan Descarpe. He was not that. He wasn't like old.

He was in the meat of his career. He was accomplished, just started for them in Super Bowl. He was a really good player. And he treated me great. By no means did he roll over and die and say, all right, you got drafted. Your first round pick, take my position at all. But he was great to me.

He always answered my questions. He was always fair. But when it came time to practice, he came every day saying, this rookie's not going to take my spot. And then that was kind of my approach my whole year. I had a million young Titans come through over 14 years that I'd shared a room with.

And my philosophy to them was always, I'm going to always help you. I'm always going to have to answer your questions. I'm always here if you have something you want to talk about, ask about, you want to watch film with me. I am all for that. But I'm going to make it so hard for you to ever take my job. And that's not personal.

That's not because I'm trying to sabotage you at all. I'm here to help you. But when it's time to go, I'm not giving you one of my reps. I'm not going to take myself out of the game to get you experience like that's not my job. I will help you. I will help you learn. I will meet with you before practice, after practice,

watch film with you. But when it's time to go, you're going to have to take my spot and kill me before I give it to you. And I think that's everybody's approach. And then one day, the young guy does take your spot and then you retire and you run a podcast. Yeah, yeah, it's the dream. Yeah.

Well, we appreciate you guys. We love you guys. And good luck with tight end you this year. Let's get get us the dates for next year. I want we'll we'll build an entire grit week around it. We don't care. I love that. It's I mean, oh, yes.

Yeah, we'll do it all. We want to do it all. So it didn't work out this year. But yeah, we're in. We're in. So let's get ahead of it. And then we'll just block off the whole week and be like, fuck it, we're going to come to Nashville

and we're going to get fucked up. Don't Billy, you can't listen to that part. Billy's not allowed to drink on the road. Not. No, but maybe for tight end you. I'm starting to one night. I'm going to you know, it's a sponsor. Yeah, I'm going to give him an emoji.

I'm giving him an emoji. But he fucked up the man in question. Yeah, but I'm giving him an emoji just because he's down on himself for that. And that's showing like he cares. He's down on himself because he thinks that you get drunk. Yeah. Billy, can you stand in front of the.

Oh, there he is. Why doesn't it worth an emoji? He knows how to listen. If Billy could do 275 right right now, one time in front of you guys, he'll get an emoji. Done. OK, that's easy. All right, Billy.

Easy. Easy. He says that's easy. Let me see his body. Let's see his body. In front of the camera. Show your body. He doesn't have pockets on his pants.

Take your shirt off. Take your shirt off. You take your shirt off for this? He wants to see your shirt. They want to see your body. Can you take your shirt off? I want to make a bet, but I got to take a look at what he looks like.

He's done it before, but this is a little more pressure because you guys are watching. I'm starting. Dan, will you tell him to take his shirt off? Take your shirt off. George wants you to take your shirt off. Oh, they said you're disinvited if you don't take the shirt off.

Billy, take your shirt off. How much weight did you just put on that? Time out. How much weight is on there? 270-5. What kind of weight? What are those plates? Wait, are you really not going to take your shirt off?

You're a rookie. 45, 20. Yeah, wait, wait. They are saying that you're not invited if you don't take your shirt off. They take your shirt off. George's saying he's got to take your shirt off. All right, there it is.

All right, look. I'm even starting. I'm showing you. Can you ask him why at 275 is the 100 feet? Knocking everything over. It's like a fucking chaos. Earthquake. I'm starting my notes app right now, the BillyTEU.

What emotes here are you going to use? What do we use? I think maybe just the arm, the strength. Yeah, arm. I think it's got to be the bicep. This is incredible. A wide grip. He's got a wide grip.

What? He got it. He got it. Way to go. Arm. The guy did it. He's got a peck. You get an emoji.

You just pop a peck? I'm giving him look. I just gave him one strength emoji. Look at that, Billy. I think you have to have 15 emojis on me and PFT's phone individually. So 30 total. Did you just pop a peck?

Yes. No, we want you to earn it. Yeah, we want you to earn it. Know how much more you're going to enjoy this if you earn it? Big cat. Yeah. Ask him if he just popped his peck. Did you just pop your peck?

No, he's fine. He's crying about it. He's got like a little sore shoulder. This happens every day. Yeah, he'll be fine. He's hot, Billy. He's like Big Ben. He just like, every injury, like, oh, this hurts.

I don't like the way he's holding his shoulder. He's fine. Trust me, I've seen this a million times. That would be so funny if he got the acting down. Why don't you guys have so many plates on for $2.75? What kind of plates are those? These are bumpers. $45, $25, $35, $10.

That's the most ridiculous way to get the $2.75 I've ever heard. Yeah, we don't have enough. $45. That's all the weights that we have. Yeah, so. So we were doing Max Tuesdays, but then we ran out of weights. And so it's just kind of like, I guess we just maxed.

I guess we benched all the weight in the world. Yeah. You can't get any stronger. Thank God you don't have more. This guy's neck would shred off. He's hurt. He's fine. He's fine.

Oh, I'm going to call it right now. He's hurt. I can see it in his eyes. He's hurt, not injured. He's saying he had no warm-up, so he's hurt. I've seen guys get hurt before. His face looks hurt. Yeah, he's playing tough, but yeah, I think he's hurt.

He's got a resting heart. I think he's hurt. Yeah. I'm going to actually give him, you know what? Because he's hurt. I'm going to give him the hospital emoji, too. So he's got two on my box. That's two.

Good job, Billy. All right, boys. Thank you so much. We appreciate it. Good luck at TEU, and we'll talk soon. All right, guys. Yes, sirs. Thank you guys.

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OK, we're going to finish up the show with one of our favorite recurring guests, Longtime friend. It is Coach Bo Polini. In studio, we're going to do a little listener questions. Bo knows ball. All the AWLs wrote in for you, Bo, so that we can answer their questions.

But before we do that, you have a new podcast. It is called Beyond the Playbook, You and Your Son. Coming out soon, right? People can get it soon. Yeah, it should be sometime either later this week or next week, so it should be cool. We're very excited for that. We'll put this in the, you know, we'll tweet it out

and make sure everyone knows where to find it. Before we get to the questions, what have you commented yet on the Saban versus Jimbo rivalry? Were you shocked? Because it did feel like those guys both kind of broke a code, so to speak, of pointing fingers at someone else. Yeah, you know, I didn't see Saban's comments. But you know, the thing that's interesting about it is,

and I like, I mean, Jimbo's a friend. I mean, I have a lot of respect for Nick. I've known him for a long time. What did he say? I mean, no, but my point is, he didn't say, I mean, what he said about, I don't know if he was even trying to be critical. They did by, they bought their class, right?

Right. Yeah, so I think what he was doing, he was talking to business leaders from the Tuscaloosa area. So I think what he was trying to say is, like, we got beaten recruiting this year by Jimbo and A&M because they're paying kids. Can we please have some of that money

so we don't get beat again? I think that's what he was saying. But the way that it came across was saying, like, Jimbo Fisher buys all his players and buys his recruiting class. And then Jimbo was like, wait a sec, he took offense to that, then fired back at Nick, being like, hey, I know we're about five years.

Which that's the part. I didn't understand why he took offense to it. All you did. It's legal now. Yeah, right. I mean, a few years ago, I would have taken offense. I feel like it's, I don't know if it's legal or if it's just not illegal.

Like we're kind of in this weird gray area with NIL where nobody really knows what the law is yet. Right. Well, you can pay kids. You can guarantee him money. I mean, you're not doing it personally. I mean, Jimbo's not out there giving him money. But it's the alumni, it's with the companies

around Texas A&M. I actually like this take, because I haven't heard it, that like both sides shouldn't be offended because that's kind of the way it is now. Yeah. I mean, that's what I don't get right now. I mean, why, they change the rules. I mean, the NCAA, they're the ones who created this.

Right. All Jimbo did was, I mean, you can agree with it or not agree with it, but they spent the money. Everybody can spend it. Go find the money and spend it. I mean, I heard he spent, they spent a lot of money on their recruiting class. It would have been interesting if Jimbo had flipped it

and used it as a positive and been like, yeah, we have a very wealthy, tapped in alumni base that wants to see the school do well, come to Texas A&M. Yeah. It kind of is like a, you know. Isn't that really what's going on? Yeah, right.

It also tells me that Jimbo is like, I think he had real thin skin on what Nick said, meaning that they did not like each other beforehand. Like Jimbo was looking for a reason to be offended by what Nick Saban was saying. So he took, yeah, I guess you're kind of right. In a way, like what Nick Saban said was literally the truth about what has happened at Texas A&M.

And then Jimbo was like, wait, wait, wait a second, and got pissed off about it. So that just means that Jimbo hates Nick Saban. I don't, things have changed a lot in the last couple of years if Jimbo hates Nick Saban, because I mean, they worked together and I mean, Jimbo is where he is because, you know, because he worked under Nick and he had, that's a big part of why he got the opportunities

that he got. And I don't know, but you know, I don't know if Nick was, I didn't see, I didn't actually see the comments and hear how he said it, but it is what it is. I mean, it's legal. Yeah, when we, like as fans, we see guys who work together going back at each other, we're like, wait, that's weird because they worked together and they should have

a relationship, is that a misconception from our part? Like when guys work together, if they work for a few years together, there could be, they could equally be as enemies or friends walking away from that. Is that fair? Absolutely. You could be close or you could, it could drive you apart. I mean, you know, everyone's different to work with,

you know, I mean, there are guys that I worked with that are, that I'm tight with and there are guys, I mean, I wouldn't say anybody's my enemy, but you know, it's different, you know, you work with people every day and some people you're close with and some people, you know, you just don't see eye to eye with. Yeah. Yeah.

I hate Glennie Balls. Like there's a guy after Glennie Balls, everyone thinks that we're totally friends, I want to slit his throat. I thought you said Sweaty Balls. Sweaty Balls, we need a hiring guy named Sweaty Balls to take Glennie's job, get him out to paint. We should.

No, I love Glennie, but what about you and your brother? So you and your brother, have you guys gotten closer over the years or were there years where it was like, I can't stand being in the same room as this guy? I was never like, you never felt like that. At least I didn't. I mean, that's, you know, to me, blood's, you know, that's, it runs thick, but yeah, there are,

obviously we had our disagreements and sometimes that might have been harder, you know, having a brother, you know, I mean, because it becomes, it gets a little more personal at times, but you know, to me it was always, you know, when you, when you leave this, the office, you leave that, you know, you leave it behind, you know, and it's, you know, you got to be able to separate

all those things. And I think that's the biggest problem that a lot of people have, especially in sports is being able to leave it behind. Yeah, yeah, I've been reading some articles about going back and reading about the Harbaugh brothers and how Jim Harbaugh, excuse me, John Harbaugh, he'll do the thing where during the season,

he brings his cot into his office and he sleeps in his office. So he goes home for maybe like two hours a day, one day a week, and then maybe like on a Saturday, he'll like, you know, if they have a home game, he'll spend time with his family. But to me, that always felt like diminishing returns where as a coach, you want to be like, yeah, I'm the first one in, last one out, I work hard,

I watch a lot of film, do all this prep. But if you're a head coach that's spending like every single second of every single day at your office, I feel like that's almost counterproductive at some point, right? You know, I never bought into that. You know, I believe me, I put time in and I never bought into the, you don't need,

it's not rocket science, it's football. And if you, to me, if you're spending that kind of time and you don't have a chance to go home, see your family, see your wife, I mean, there would not be, there'd have to be a major hurricane. It would have to be like some, something crazy would have to happen for me not to go home. Right, yeah.

I mean, you have to be able to separate those. To me, otherwise you're going to get burned out. Right, and you're also not going to be a human being. Like that's the- It's crazy. Being a human being for your players is part of it as well. Where you're not just, you know, a football robot. Okay, so we had people write in, Jake has the questions,

bow knows ball, this is going to be good. We usually, we do, we'll do like guys on chicks or blue collar questions today. We're going to do football questions with coach bow. Jake, take it away. All right, it seems like players switch positions over the course of their development and football met more than any other sport.

Is that accurate? And if so, is it because if you're a true football guy deep down, you'll find a place to be successful on the field and make it to the pros even if it takes a few tries. Ooh, good question. So, so players switching positions back and forth. You know, I think, I think everybody's by the,

you know, people's, their, their bodies change. They're, you know, you might have, I think it happens a lot. I think it, it, it, to me, it doesn't happen enough. I think some guys stubbornness not to change positions costs them a future. And, you know, you, your body's going to change from being in high school to college to, you know,

long-term as far as, you know, what, what are my strengths? What are my weaknesses? And I think that, I mean, there's countless. I, yeah, I can think of guys that even offensive line and defensive line. Yeah, like, so how, tell, tell me how that, like, if you had an offensive lineman, what are you looking at where you're like,

this guy would be better on the defensive line? You know, as far as, it's probably athleticism, like Taylor, Louis Louis, I mean, he, he could have, to me, he could have been a D lineman because he was a, he was such a freak athlete. But I think of a guy that when I was at LSU, he was a top five draft pick. And this is my first time at LSU back in the,

you know, 2006, 2007. And I, it didn't take long for me to say, you know, he didn't have that quick twitch to be a D, and I told him, I said, and he was, I said, you need to move the offensive line. And he looked at me like, God, I'm a, I was top five player in the country, you know? And I said, you're going to be a really good,

you're going to be a good defensive lineman. You'll play and you're going to contribute. But I said, if you want to, you want to make a gazillion dollars, you should go to the offensive line. And did he switch? He ended up switching. And who was that?

He didn't, Joe Barks, Joe Barksdale. Okay. Yeah. And he didn't switch right away. I think he waited until like maybe a year after, just after I left and I went to Nebraska and he switched over and ended up playing in the NFL for a while.

But he, he would have been a good defensive lineman. But I said, you're going to be a phenomenal offensive lineman. Yeah. And what about when it comes to like wide receivers versus quarter or a quarterbacks? Is it just a matter of like, if you can't catch, then go play defense? What are you trying to say?

Defensive guys can't catch. That's fucked up. I mean, is it true? I feel like it's true for the most part, right? No. Like if you're, if you, if you got that great of hands, let's say that you found a cornerback that had the greatest hands that you've ever seen playing football,

you'd probably find a way to put them on offense every now and again, right? Yeah, I think so. But, but I, but I also, you know, the, there's a bit of a misconception that that's a totally, that's a totally different skill set to play wide receiver and play DB. It's also, I feel like the,

there's been a transition recently where it used to be cornerbacks have similar skill sets off of wide receivers, but they might be, maybe not have the height that wide receivers have. Feels like now teams are going after taller corners. You'll see like six, two, six, three corners where you maybe wouldn't see that back in the day where it was more like the guys that are five, 11 are playing cornerback

and then you get your six, three guys at wide receiver. Yeah. Is that fair? Cause it does feel like cornerback. Yeah. It's changed now. I mean, but everyone's, everyone's a little bit different, obviously.

And, but I don't, it's totally different. You know, you take a guy, I mean, I've had guys that I thought would be great, you know, wide outs that I thought would be great corners and you put it, I put them over there and gave them a look and they just, they can't figure it out. And vice versa. Yeah. You have to like enjoy contact a little bit too.

You have to enjoy contact, but you're also, you're, it's much, it's more of a reactive position. I mean, why, you know, obviously wide out, you know what you're doing with your DB, you're, you're, you're playing reactive. And that's a totally different skill set. And you know, you're playing, you're not going this way all the time.

You're, you're back pedaling. It's just, it's just different. Some guys can make the transition. Some guys can't. Did you ever recruit a guy on campus and you thought maybe he'd be a quarterback and it's pretty apparent after like the first year that he should move to wide receiver, but he resists moving to wide receiver and because he resists

for so long cause he wants to be the quarterback, then his development at receiver gets stunted. Next thing you know, he doesn't get into any games and then he spends the rest of his life being like, I should have been a college quarterback. Oh, it happens all the time. I bet you go, you go across the country and you see that, a ton that guys that, and I think part of that happens

is because people aren't honest. I was always honest with the kids on the, if I thought a kid was going to move, I was going to tell. Right. Or I was going to say, Hey, this is a possibility. And I'd be honest with them from day one, but you know, some people, they're just going to try to get them to sign on the dotted line and get them and then.

And then, yeah. And then move them around after. And that never works. Right. Right. Where a guy thinks he's like, Oh, I'm a quarterback. I'm a quarterback. And you're like, Hey, dude, you're a wide receiver,

special teams players. Absolutely not. Yeah, no doubt. Right. We know a guy like that. Yeah. We know a guy who still thinks he's a quarterback. He usually sits in that seat, actually.

He's not here right now. I don't know if you've met Billy football. No. I've got to tell you. Actually, Billy football was, he came with us to the Bocci tournament. And we told him to watch the car and then when we came back, he was black out drunk.

So that's Billy football. I had a kid when I was at Nebraska, who was a good wide receiver, wasn't great. He was six, four. And we had some injuries and I moved, I moved him to corner on a Monday and started them on, on Saturday. Geez. And he knew nothing.

I mean, nothing. All you knew how to do it. I said, I said, don't try to teach him all these things. Just teach him to play press. Just tell him to get up and he's not allowed to play off. He just got it. And this was like the first time he'd ever played corner in his life.

And he went and started against Ohio State and made an interception and he ended up, he ended up playing in the NFL for a few years. Wow, shit. Stanley Jean Baptiste. Wow. Look it up. I don't remember that name.

Wow. That's a hell of a story. All right, Jake, that was a good first question. What have we got next? Bo, what makes a guy a dude on the field slash weight room and what would make a guy a dude at the office? Steve from Tampa. All right, say that again.

How does a guy become a dude? Yeah. And does it translate from on? So basically he's asking like, what does it mean to be a dude on the football field? And if we were to translate that to the office, yeah, what would be kind of do you do football field? Maybe we'll we'll fill an office.

I think on the foot of the guy make to me, it's kids are tough. I mean, who really roll up their sleeves and go to work every day and don't I mean, that's what it takes to be a dude on the football field. Who's who's going to stay? Who's going to be who he is? I mean, who's dependable?

Who's going to you don't have to worry about him. You know, he's not going to be, you know, grabbing his hamstring and trying to duck out of practice, not trying to be that kind of guy. He's a guy that's going to show up every day, put a good day's work in and be that and be that. Can you tell a dude right away? Like when you're watching your football team and you're looking at everyone, you're like, all right, here are the five to six guys that I just know.

Maybe not the best athletes, but the guys that you're like, I can depend on them and they're, you know, everyone will respect them and just the way they carry themselves. Absolutely. And most of the time to me, you can watch, you can you can see that when you're watching the film, when you're either recruiting a kid or you're watching the film for the draft, you can tell who those guys are. You have a pretty good idea who those guys are. Yeah. And who's not. Yeah.

I'd say in the office, I don't know what would be a dude. I would say, like, if you get chewed out by your boss, let's say you have like a group assignment, you get chewed out by your boss for something that your co-worker did wrong and you keep your mouth shut and you don't you don't say to them, no, it was actually that person's fault. If you just take that that ass chewing, then the person that who's fault that it really was will see that and they're like, I got this guy's back for the rest of my life. Yeah. Yeah. I also think.

And then if that's if it's a guy, if the guy sees that and and saw somebody take an ass chewing, it's that guy is able to walk over to the boss and say, no, it was me. Yeah, that would be nice, too. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But otherwise, it kind of goes both ways. I'm also better to be a dude. You better take you better to your own mistakes. I'm also thinking from like a very selfish standpoint. If I just if I had just taken my berating, then I know that that person

who I saved, I've got them in my pocket for the rest of my life. I got that office so I can catch true. I can catch in a favor later. Yeah, that's true. OK, good question. Jake, your next one. Dear Coach Polini, as a football guy, what is the go to breakfast and drink to start your day before practice? Does change in game day to certain meals or is the routine kind of the same every day? I'd like to think you'd be a morning chili or maybe a waffles kind of guy.

Why not both? Get that piss hot chili on the waffles. Yeah. I bet I kind of ate. I didn't really give a shit what time we were playing. I pretty much ate the same thing every before every game, which was some meat, obviously some steak or something like that. Kind of what the players did, some steak, a little bit of pasta. And that's about it. I didn't I wasn't a big eater before games.

And but I was going to have some spaghetti and I was going to have some a little bit of meat that was going to carry me through all day. Yeah, protein. Go would you have before the 2017 national championship game against J.M.U. Same, but probably say exactly the same thing. That's what I ate ever before every game. I'm a creature habit and kind of have my

what do you call it? I'm superstitious. Well, what about in the morning, like a regular Tuesday morning? Is it coffee right away? I eat oatmeal and and that's it. That's it. No coffee. I have a little bit of I probably have a coffee sometimes. OK, oatmeal and coffee. I want to start doing that.

So you're not one of the one of the coaches that just pounds caffeine all the time. Like coach, oh, he drinks like our guy Dana. Seventeen Red Bulls a day. Yeah, the two of them. Yeah, Coach Holgersen. He's just Red Bulls all day. Yeah, I couldn't remember. Oh, oh, drink. He drank Red Bulls all day. I couldn't remember. Yeah, maybe months.

Yeah, he had to. Yeah, I think he said he had to curtail the Red Bull intake after he got up to about 12 a day. But Dana is probably still around. Oh, yeah, he doesn't. He just goes. Well, Dana doesn't sleep. Yeah, correct. Correct. Yeah. So he just drinks Red Bull all day. Yeah, but I got to tell you, if I let myself, I mean, I'm like,

I love Coca-Cola, like regular Coke, like the old Coke classic. I mean, if I let myself, I'd drink 15 a day. But yeah, this football guy didn't know that you got to stop yourself. Yeah, I mean, I mean, I mean, I just like I like the taste of it. I mean, out of caffeine, I'm sure that's part of it. Yeah, yeah, definitely. All the sugar. Yeah, yeah, but I don't, you know, but I the Red Bull and all that, the monsters, all that shit, I won't drink that stuff.

I don't like that. OK, you guys like that? I just do coffee all day. Yeah. Yeah. I look at I look at Red Bull like it's medicine where I don't really like the taste, but I don't really care about the taste. I just know that I have to take it and I'll stay awake. Well, I'll do Red Bull late at like when we record late at night, I'll do a Red Bull because it always feels like silly to have a coffee at 10 p.m. Even though I'm doing the same thing with the Red Bull.

I don't know why, but that's the only time. Yeah, but I'm like probably four or five cups of coffee a day. Wow. A lot of friends, a lot of my friend, not a lot of people I know drink, they'll have Red Bull. And like, like, that's what they use as a mixture with their mixture. Yeah. Well, Red Bull and vodka is that's that's a good way to start a party. Yeah, for sure. I mean, it would be wired, wouldn't you? Oh, yeah. Upper and the outer. Oh, yeah.

You keep the party going all day. All in one. It's basically like a classy four loco. That's what four loco tried to accomplish. Yeah. But they flew too close to the sun. Red Bull Vodka is a good way. If you're out at a bar and you're like, you find yourself dragging, like maybe it's like 10, 11 o'clock, quick, one of those in your back. That's that's what you got to do. There you go.

Yeah. All right. Next question. Do you have to play on real grass to be considered a true football guy? Oh, absolutely. At some point, you have at some point. Yeah, like, like you got to at some point. I mean, right? I mean, yeah. At some point, you got to be they got to the camera has to go and you got to have a grass sticking out of your.

Yeah. Like imagine being a kid grown up playing sports and you never come home with a grass stain on your jersey. It's crazy. That's part of the deal. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I mean, you got a lot of kids like I was just watching a baseball game the other day. My I was going to see my nephew play and it was in Columbus and these high school kids, they're playing on

like the infield was field turf. Yeah, right. Right. I was like, what the fuck is this? Yeah. And it was like baseball on field turf makes no sense. I get we didn't even have grass. We just played. Oh, it was just like those. You remember the old it was like all dirt. Yeah. Yeah.

Rocks that just show up out of nowhere. It's like, don't slide in a second because your knee is going to get skin. Do you like those football coach knowing field turf? Like at least you don't have to. It's like one less variable. Do you appreciate that? Oh, for sure. I mean, but, you know, yeah, but you got it.

At some point, you got to have there has to be some grass. I agree. Yeah, I agree. I like the grass fields with field turf. You can't grow the field turf out to slow down a faster opponent. True. I've always wondered about that, too, because I wonder if they could do like different pellets. Those those rubber pellets, your slower one pellets. You know, like Notre Dame used to grow their grass out

if they'd be playing like USC or something like that. They'd be like, OK, they're much faster than us. But I always thought like that would slow that would slow your defense down too. Right. Yeah. Like doesn't go slower. So the fast guys still are faster. Yeah. Yeah. I think it's kind of all bullshit, to be honest with you.

It's a mind game. Yeah. The better team, the better team is going to win the football team. Yeah. Yeah. I had a kid when I am not going to tell you where because because I did coach this kid. There was a kid that couldn't figure out why we had a field turf that we were playing under on field turf. And he was saying, he said, I, you know, I don't understand this.

I always see them water, you know, because they would water the field turf to get the the the the rubber pellets just kind of sink in and stuff. And he was like, I see people all the time watering. I never see anybody cutting it. It's will comp them. That was will comp them. Yeah, it was well.

Next question. When it's a QB sneak situation, why don't coaches sub in a big board to push the pile or why don't they put two or three big boys behind the QB to push the pile? You could even have a sneak specialist. Good question. Well, some people do that. They they've pushed.

They get those big fat guys. I mean, I don't know whether they like get linemen and stuff, but they they'll get in like where they're like two yards behind the quarterback. But, you know, that's one thing that I don't think a lot of people practice enough. Yeah. And it's crazy, too, because how I don't understand how teams don't practice it more when you watch what the Patriots have done and what Tom Brady, like Tom Brady, probably the thing he's mostly that is getting a yard when he needs to.

Yeah. And it's such an underrated thing where it's like, why, you know, on third and one or fourth and one, like always being able to get that yard, always finding that little seam and falling forward. You see teams try to do it in a key situation. You're like, yep, you're right. They haven't practiced that. Like they don't know what they're doing. There's no question.

And let me tell you, it's at some point it's going to cost people games. I was watching a bowl game where they had, I mean, I'm telling you, like an inch and a half to go. And they, and this team punted and I'm sitting there thinking to myself, I mean, that's crazy. I mean, you do that. Hey, you don't deserve to win if you can't get. Wait, what bowl game was that?

I'm trying to think about it. Was it Northwestern, Kentucky? It was Kentucky. No, it was Iowa and Kentucky. Iowa and Kentucky. OK. Well, Iowa punts all the time anyway. Iowa just loves to punt. But I couldn't understand why they, you know. Yeah. Why, you don't just go get that one yard.

Yeah. I mean, end the game. Do you, do you believe in that? Do you believe in that theory that like, because that's what I always tell myself when it's fourth and one, you're like, hey, go for this. And I always just do the old mantra. Like if you can't get one yard, you don't deserve to win. Is that fair to say? But I think there's a whole different.

There's one yard and then there's inches. Right. I mean, a yard's a full yard. I don't know. I don't know. You know, that's that can be hairy. Yeah. But when I'm talking about, you know, this much, you got to be able to get that. You have to be able to get it. You really, you probably don't deserve to win the football.

It does seem to me like the great quarterbacks are good at all these small little details like Tom Brady, like we said, they he will get a yard on a quarterback sneak every time, usually like two yards. Aaron Rodgers on fourth down when he goes out there with the hard count. He's just like, I don't know if it's the amount of practice that he puts in with his offensive line, but it does. Big Cat always says that he's cheating when he does it because it's so it's so good and they practice it so often.

I feel like those little details right there would be things that more quarterbacks would like copy and try to emulate. But sometimes they get out there and fourth down and they just kind of look lost. And they're like, OK, I guess I'll just run the play as called and not try to work on this thing. But like the small things like that, that makes a big difference between being like, I don't know, like a four and 16 and six and 14. Yeah. No, I mean, but the detail matters. And and there's also, you know, it's hard to is it from a defensive

standpoint to stop a sneak? You obviously you got to load up and you got to kind of go all in to make it happen. If if offensive guys will just change the picture a little bit, add somebody in or bring a wide out in and you just change the picture a little bit. And you you're not going to get stopped. Yeah. Yeah. Who's who's the best defensive player you've ever coached? The best defensive player that I've ever coached. That's a good question.

And in college. Yeah. I think that probably for that, for about the last half of his senior year, Sue was probably he was as dominant as you could possibly be. Were you were you the coach in that Texas game? Yeah, that was one of the greatest games I've ever played by Sue. He almost won that game for you guys by himself. Well, we we did win the game. Wait, one second.

One second. Yeah. Yeah, you did. Yeah, you're right. You did win the game. We lost. We lost. But you won. But that was one of like, if you don't know that game, big 12 finals, Nebraska versus Texas, Sue was just an absolute

like he wrecked the entire game. Yeah, we we kill. We dominated them. We dominated them. I mean, they were good. They had I mean, they went to the national championship game. I think they put what, 35 or something up on Alabama. Yeah, they lost to Alabama like 38, 35 or whatever it was.

I mean, they couldn't get. That was the one that probably got hurt, I think. Yeah, Gary Gilbert. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And the rose couldn't get any further. They couldn't get first downs against us. Yeah, I like how you how you're holding on that you won the game. I mean, you got me confused there for a second.

I was like, wait, no, yeah, you did. Yeah, no, they put they. That was actually the next question. Time just to be on the spot. Did Colt McCoy's pass in the 2009 big 12 championship game fall incomplete before after time expired? Well, let me tell you, until somebody will show me a split screen. Well, it's, you know, it's, you know, here's the ball hitting

and here's the time running out. The time ran out. There was nothing. There was no evidence to say that that ball hit because they're not supposed to turn the clock isn't supposed to stop until the ball actually hit something. Right. And I think they like went back and they they said that it hit something on the sidelines. That was like sticking out.

Right. That was a screw job. It was. It was. I was in Austin because they would they wanted Texas to go to the National Championship game. Let's let's face it. Yeah. They wanted they wanted they wanted to make sure that a team from the Big 12 went. Yeah. Well, it was in the game. The game was over.

Right. Texas in general going to a championship. They know that that's going to put butts in seats. And so they didn't want you guys to take that away from all the money that they stood to make. And it was it was a screw job. I was in Austin watching it actually at a long horn bar. Everybody in the bar thought the game was over. Yeah. And then when they put the second back on, nobody knew where it came from. They just saw that the the official was like, no, the ball landed out of bounds.

We're going to put a second back on one more play. Go for it. It was bullshit. I agree with you about that. That that game, though, you should everyone should go watch that game because Sue, I just looked it up. It was it was 12 tackles as a defensive tackle. 12 tackles, seven for a loss, four and a half sacks. But you can't be more dominant than that as a defensive tackle in a game. Not an edge rusher.

Let me tell you, our defense that year. I mean, obviously, Sue, as I told you, it's a huge part of it. But our defense that year, if you go back and look at the stats from that defense, we were that was an unbelievable defense. Yeah, yeah, we didn't have a lot of offense on that team. Yeah, we but I would say I truly believe it's the end of the year. Nobody in the country could have beat us. Yes, that's I mean, I don't what was your record at the end of that year?

11 and two. Yeah, so maybe maybe it would have been in college football playoff if there was an expanding one. That's what whenever people talk about the college football playoff and the expansion, it's like those teams that maybe have one or two losses, but they're they have an elite elite elite side of the ball. It's like, I want to see them in there. I want to see the the the mix with, you know, someone else. So and we got better as a year when we lost like

I think we lost like Iowa State that year. We lot we turned the ball over like eight times, five times inside, inside, going in inside the ten yard line. And we lost like nine, seven, Jesus, something crazy like that. Jesus. All right. We got any others? We got one more. OK, let's do it. What's up, Bo and Billy football, somewhere out in the woods.

If you could take over a program today, say like the Nebraska football team, what would you do to get them back to a national powerhouse? Thanks. Well, I think anything to get somebody back to a national powerhouse, you've got to, you know, you've got to do things right. And you've got to you've got to recruit well, obviously. And I think this is the biggest misconception that the average fan has is every place you go will be would would take different things to try to get them going. Yeah, you know, you can't just say, OK,

you know, you know, if I went to Nebraska, I went to Ohio State, or I went to whoever Purdue or whatever, every single situation is different. So you've got to run your program a little bit differently and different things actually lead to winning. And I don't think people understand that. You're not going to go to army and be like, we're going to we're going to spread them out. Right. We're going to go air raid. Well, yeah, it's it's playing to the strengths of also geography.

It's like, I always, you know, I mean, how do you recruit? Yeah, like when Barry Alvarez took over at Wisconsin, his press conference was like, there's a lot of fat people in Wisconsin. We're going to build a line. Yeah. And like that kind of stuff where it's like, hey, this is what it is. You know, right. Like you play to your strength. There's no doubt in recruiting lies, you have to do that. And and you can't be stubborn about it.

And you know, I always say that the best jobs coaching are the the people that under the people who can beat people with the people they didn't want. Mm hmm. Oh, that's good. I like that. That's and, you know, I don't think people understand that. Like if you got to go in and, you know, five or six weeks out of the year, you're going to go in and you're not going to have the best players.

But you got to figure out other ways to win. There's the little things that detail the, you know, the big culture part of things. And I think that's part of college football now that's going to be missing. Yeah, with the transfer portal and all the other bullshit that's going on. It's get harder and harder for those teams that aren't the elite in really elite recruiting places to develop a culture that's good enough to beat those, you know, to beat the teams

that really have have recruiting advantages. Now, the debate has had a lot and I'd love to hear your take. What is the best job in America? What like, you know, and you can tackle it from from any perspective. But let's just say what's the best job in terms of the recruiting base and like you go there and you should win a national title. I mean, obviously, I think Alabama's up there. I think that there's not one, but I think there's probably,

you know, four, five or six. Usually people say Ohio State, Georgia, Alabama or LSU. Alabama, you know, yes, but also that's a lot of Saban. And then they'll throw in USC because of, you know, the talent on the West Coast and they are the West Coast team trying to think Texas always gets mentioned. But now Texas obviously has to deal with Texas A&M. And like there's a lot of, you know, Oklahoma has done well. And then I think people also throw in Florida, you know, school

where you can get insane talent in state. Those schools. Yeah, I think so. But I also think the interesting part of it is that that's going to evolve too, because you mentioned a lot of those programs and I wouldn't disagree with any of those programs, but then you have to add on top of it an athletic director and a president and an administration that gets it. Yeah. To allow you to take advantage of the things that I mean, let's face it. That's one of the reasons why Alabama, I mean, obviously,

Nick Saban is a great coach. He always has been and he does a great job, but their administration allowing him to do things the way they have to be done. And that that goes a long way. Yeah. And there are places that where the administration gets in the way and they screw it up. That's actually, I would say the, you know, there's a lot of reasons and we could do a whole podcast about it.

But one of the biggest reasons there's been such a big gap open between Oklahoma and Texas is the administrative administration at Oklahoma, seemingly being strong throughout everything, always having their coaches back, that seamless transition they had, and, you know, from from Stoops to Lincoln Riley to now go into the next guy, Venables, like they'll probably be just fine and Texas has a carousel going on ever since Mac Brown left. Yeah. I mean, there's reasons why things are turning over all the time.

Yeah. I mean, I don't know all the everything that goes on at Texas, but there's something missing for that. There's something missing somewhere. Yeah. They've got all these boosters who all think that they control the program by themselves. So you've got guys with names on all the buildings on campuses. And they think they all think that they're the most important person in the football program at Texas, and there's no like strong administration

to like rain them in and keep them in check and go on one with the coach. That's what Mac Brown was actually probably the best at, even in the years where he started to tail off. He's a great handshaker. Like he'll go out, he'll talk to anybody. He'll make you feel like you're the most important booster to the program. And the guys they got after him are not like that at all. So it creates a lot of strife. So sometimes, like the best jobs in theory, you don't realize that it's

going to be like that TV show succession around you all the time where everyone's like stabbing each other in the back over everything, which is not anything that you'd ever actually be prepared for in a job until you got there. Yeah, you would be. How would you even know that that's going to go on? I mean, you could have a pretty good idea. But could you imagine like somebody that would never happen in Alabama?

Right. Ever. Like there's no way. And I don't know, obviously, part of that's because of Nick, but their administration wouldn't lie. There's not some boosters not going to walk into Nick Saban's office and say, you got to do this. Yeah, you got to do that. I mean, Nick would tell him to go pound salt. Yeah, right. I mean, if it was going to if it was going to take away from them,

have an ability to win. Yeah. But that, but you know, that goes on all the time. Yeah, absolutely. Well, coach has been awesome. Everyone go listen to Beyond the Playbook. We'll again, we'll link to it. It's coming out soon. Love catching up with you.

We're going to do numbers now. You want to guess a number? Yeah, we got that. We got the lottery ball machine. One through ninety nine. One through ninety nine. No, hundreds in there. Hundreds in there. It is.

I'm going to guess twenty six. I what are you? What's your guess? Ten. If you get that right, that'll be incredible. Twenty five. Thirty nine. Sixty nine for means. Oh, boy.

Unfortunately, you don't get anything if you win. But oh, well, oh, well, very close. That's your quarterback number. That's a great quarter. I was closest, though. Yeah, you were. So you win satisfaction. What do I win satisfaction?

Congratulations. That's a crock. All right. Thanks, coach. We appreciate it. Bye, fellas. Take on me. Take me out. I'll be gone.

But I'll talk to you. Take on me. Needless to say. I'm all set in. But I'll be still a little way. Further learning life is okay. Say out to me. It's no better to be safe than sorry.

Take on me. Take me out. I'll be gone. But I'll talk to you. All the things that you say, yeah, Isn't all I've got just to play my worries away. You're all things I've got to remember. And you're shying away.

I'll be coming for you anyway. Take on me. Take me out. I'll be gone. But I'll talk to you. Take on me.