Pardon My Take - James Harden & The Sixers Are Dead, NFL Schedule Release + In Studio With AstroPhysicist Brian Cox

Episode Date: May 13, 2022

James Harden and the Sixers are dead. We play a game called which post game quote is worst. Heat Culture demands respect.(00:02:30-00:21:50) The Mavs force a Game 7. (00:21:51-00:26:17) In NHL Playoffs we have Game 7's on Saturday after the Lightning are now 17-0 off a loss in the playoffs in the last 3 years. (00:26:18-00:31:09) NFL Schedule, games we're looking forward to and Billy tells us about the Jets before he leaves mid conversation. (00:31:11-00:47:38) We kick it back to ourselves in studio to talk Celtics and Capital heartbreaking losses on Wednesday night. (00:48:42-01:07:31) Astrophysicist Brian Cox joins us in studio for an incredible conversation about science, black holes, the universe, and being in a rock band.(01:08:28-02:16:18) We finish with Fyre Fest of the week. (02:17:41-02:31:31)You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/PardonMyTake

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James Varden had two shots in the second half tonight, the same amount of shots that Ben Simmons had in the closeout game against the Atlanta Hawks. They're dead. That's tough. That's I didn't know that stat. I was just going to say he scored the exact same amount of points in the second half of their final game as Ben Simmons did all playoffs. And I think you go back to the trade and neither team won. It was the classic lose, lose trade like both teams in a weird way got a little

bit worse from this trade. So you love to see that. I think Doc Rivers had the best score of the night after the game was over. He said, I came to the conclusion at the end of this game that we were not good enough to beat Miami. So for all of you losers out there that love to say that Doc Rivers doesn't always talk about he was right, hashtag doc was right. You weren't good enough to beat Miami.

So so so that's a great quote. I actually compiled a few quotes. I wanted to do a quote off for you and in P.F.T. I want you to judge these quotes. James Harden, by the way, I'm the one sucker alive that still believes in Ben Simmons. So I'm like, Nets could still get something out of him. Crazy, stupid, irrational. So I'm not giving up on Ben Simmons.

I'm the last person in the world because I'm like, six, 10 point guards don't grow on trees, even though he's scared of playing basketball either way. James Harden shot two times in the second half. Same as Ben Simmons, which we just said, scored zero points. Ben Simmons actually scored one point in that famous second half against the Hawks in the closeout because he hit a free throw. James Harden, let me let me just do a quiz. When do you think James Harden attempted his last two point field goal attempt?

I'm going to say three minutes left in the third quarter. Oh, that would be great. His last two point field goal attempt was with eight minutes, 54 seconds left in the first quarter. Oh, two point field goal. Point field goal attempt. He just stopped trying for anything but standing around and shooting threes. And even this is going to hurt Sixers fans.

So this is a trigger warning. They knew it, though. I think Sixers fans actually are the one fan base they want to just relish in the pain because they hate where this team is at right now. Ben Simmons had a better closeout game against the Hawks than James Harden did against at least he drove to the hole. He had dunked it, but at least he got it within the vicinity of the basket. I forgot he had 13 assists in that game and eight rebounds.

So like, say what you want, but he was he was at least moving around a little bit. I think I think you're unfairly targeting James Harden for only attempting his last field goal with two minutes left in the first quarter. No, it's his last. No, no, it was his last two point field goal attempt with 854 left in the first quarter. So that basically just stood around the three point line for the rest of the night. I think you're I think you're unfairly targeting because he had a good explanation for that after the game in his post game press conference.

He said the ball just didn't get back to me. Yeah, what are you going to do? And then when asked if doctors didn't call place for him, he just said next question. So I have some quotes. I want you guys, Hank, I want you to chime in as well because you hate Philadelphia. I love the city of Philadelphia. I love Sixers fans. I think they want to hear this because I think they want to relish in just how bad

this has gotten, but you guys judge which quote is worse. I'm going to give you three quotes. OK. First quote is from James Hardin. He said, actually, no, I'm going to go first quote is from Joel Embiid. He said, I still don't know how we let him go. I wish I could go into battle with him still. That's Joel Embiid talking about Jimmy Butler.

Yeah, good quote. Bad. That hurts. That hurts. Good quote, though, because I feel like all of Philadelphia and Jimmy Butler said he wished that he never left after the game. I actually think like Sixers fans are like, yes. Yes, you are the exact guy. It was like the timing didn't add up in terms of how much they could pay him at that moment. They made a bad decision to pay other guys and not him.

But I feel like he would have been the perfect 76ers guy. Like he's perfect for the city of Philadelphia. The city of Philadelphia is perfect for him in a weird sick perverted way. They're kind of rooting for Jimmy Butler. Yeah. And it's just it's just brutal to have your franchise player who could have been the MVP and Joel Embiid, who he looked gas tonight, I'm going to give him a pass for the fact that he was playing with like a half broken body, whether that's fair or not.

Like he wouldn't have a great game, but he literally is a broken man. Having him, though, say, look around the locker room and be like that guy who just beat us, who just like stomped us out at our home court in a closeout game. I really wish I had him on my team still. Yeah. I mean, it's true. It's true. It sucks to hear. But it's the truth. It's the truth. That's what I like about Joel Embiid, though.

He'll say he'll say stuff like that because he knows that he's right. Yeah. All right. Quote to this one comes from Doc Rivers when talked about his job. He said, when I first got here, no one picked us to be anywhere. So just as a history lesson, Doc Rivers got there. He's been there for two years. So going back five years in 2018, the 76ers lost in five games in the conference semifinals in 2019, they lost in seven games in the conference semifinals.

The famous Kauai shot against the Raptors in the bubble they lost in. They got swept in the first round. Doc got there. They lost in seven in the conference semifinals last year. They lost in six in the conference semifinals this year. They've literally just gone. It was like they've been just doing the same thing year after year after year. Doc Rivers has had no impact on it.

They were on the exact same trajectory. And he's like, we were a mess when I got here, but I fixed it all to get us right back to where we were. I actually know this is a marked improvement for Doc Rivers, because there was no there's no washout, at least there was no big choke job this play. It was just kind of like the same miserable bad vibes. We talked about bad vibes with like, I think that was Kurt Goldsberry gave us Chris Paul as number one bad vibes guy.

I sat down, I made I made an all bad vibes team tonight at dinner. You want to guess who's on it? So Chris Paul is the one who hardens the two. Seven is the no. There's like a center. Yeah, you could have him as center. He's on it. No, he's on the bench. OK, bad vibes guys on the bench wearing a funny, funny outfit.

Three is Paul George. Mm hmm. Well, three slash four Paul George and LeBron. They change and then Dwight Howard at the five. And it's funny because if you look at that starting five of all bad vibes teams of guys that are just like trash and clutch situations, if you gave me the starting five, I would still be like, yeah, that's that team's going to it's going to win everything.

Yeah, they'd win everything. So the 76ers are their playoff performances in the last five years are almost an anagram. If they had lost in five in this season, it would have been literally the perfect like lost in five in the Conference Seven Finals lost in seven for game sweep lost in seven lost in five. So Doc Rivers, he's done a lot. Palindrome and they have Palindrome.

That's right. It's late and I can't talk. Last quote, and I think this is the worst quote for sixers fans. It's a simple quote. It's just James Harden when asked if he'll opt into his contract, he said, I'll be here. Wait, what is that? 47 dressing the media. Forty seven point three six six million dollars next year. That's crazy. That's awesome.

God bless America. James Harden hasn't figured out. Seriously, like you you show flash of promise. You get paid like a motherfucker and then you don't get paid that much in the playoffs. Right. Look at his face. The guys at the end of the bench get paid the same as the stars in the playoffs. Right. He's like, I'm not getting paid enough to show up for the playoffs. Fuck this.

I'm going to take some shots at halftime, maybe rip a zigzag and come out and not play basketball in the second half and let us you pay me more. Look at Hank's face. He's in shock. Forty seven point three six six million dollars opt in. I would say he's probably going to opt in. I'd say he probably won't walk away from that money. The only thing that he might do is he might he might do an extension.

No, no, no. I think the sixers only choice is crazy as it sounds. They're only choices to extend him and like move some of the money around like they don't think he's going to opt in. What if he goes back to his old tricks and he just shows that he just eats his way through the summer, shows up fat, demands another trade. But it's but he gets to like it's his choice of whether he wants the forty seven point three six six million is not the sixer's choice.

Yeah, but the NBA, the contracts are so fake in turn. But like for the players, not like the NFL. Like, can't you opt in and then get fat as fuck and then demand a trade and still get paid? I think that would still work. Yes, of course. But I honestly think the sixers might consider being like, don't opt in. We'll sign you an extension that will be more than forty seven point three six six.

But it won't be forty seven point three six six for one year. Yeah. All I know is I need there to be a way for James Harden to make his way to the Lakers. I need I need LeBron and Harden to team up together. It's I mean, it's shocking. I know we were looking forward to this day. It's it's almost getting to a point where it's like it's like perverse to watch him do this. And of course, the sixers are a team like Danny Green gets hurt.

Joan Bede's been fucking ravaged by injury. The heat or the heat deserve all the credit because I do think there's something to be said looking at you, sons of going on the road. Game six being like, let's not let this go to seven. Let's let's finish this right now. We're clearly better. The heat deserve a lot of credit. But man, what a disaster in the process.

It's now the process has gotten to a point where you have one of the top three best players in the league and then James Harden for forty seven million dollars. Yeah, I think I think Nick Saban's full of shit. I think the process is overrated. I were results guys on the spot, guys. Right. It's so bad. I don't care about the process. I'm a I'm Machiavellian.

Just give me the result. I don't care how we get there. Shout out our guy, the Cuzz, Anthony Gargano, who hosts radio in Philly, who's been on this show. It's clear that he's like newer to Twitter. And he said, I see it talked about a lot. And yes, I am just tweeting through it. So I appreciate it. I appreciate him doing that, just admitting like I'm just tweeting through this shit

because it's bad. I mean, if we were to do like a pool of guys that we think would probably either get hacked or somehow some way like tweet out a porn link over the next year, I feel like the Cuzz is because it's pretty high up on that list. And when he needs PR 101, we'll have him back on the show. We actually absolutely. It's unfortunate because we did want to have him on if the Sixers got to the conference finals. I think we got to have him on anyway.

We just got to have him on. Have him on. But I want him like unfiltered. I want like I want the stuff that he thinks is like unsafe to say on Philadelphia radio. I want the raw uncut, pure flake coming out of the cousin's mouth. Yeah, I mean, it's it's a debacle. And on the flip side, I am I'm now respecting the heat.

I heat culture is real. If you don't think heat culture is real, just watch what Max Truce has been doing because the dude is a undrafted kid who went to DePaul his senior year, who the Bulls had for, I think a year or two, he got hurt. So he's undrafted, he got hurt. He like played like two games, the Bulls, he got hurt. The heat pick him up. And then in a game six elimination on the road, he drops 2011 and five.

That's that's he culture. Max Truce is awesome. That's he culture, though. I start I started noticing him like like only two weeks ago, I think, because he was getting like an unusual amount of playing time, probably the Kyle Lowry thing had his minutes increase a lot. The dude is just legitimately good. But that's Max.

Max is such a cool name. Yeah, Max's are hot right now. And that's what they that's like what the heat do. They are like a franchise that obviously they have really good players. Like Bam is incredible. Jimmy's incredible. They got a lot of really good players, but they also find a way to get guys who can contribute and play in a system and are well coached.

It's he culture. I'm Jake. I don't I mean, I don't know if they'll beat the Bucks or Celtics, but I'm not going to I'm not going to look past them at all. Like they anyone who says they can't beat those teams is crazy. They've just they've proven it. They they are he culture works in the playoffs. Yeah, you know, I'm just glad they made the cut to be talked about on this show.

But oh, it's progress. Progress, you know, it's crazy to think gets right there. It is crazy to think, though. Obviously, the Bron years, but if the heat somehow could win a championship this year, let's just say it's not that crazy. They're in the conference finals. That would be what four titles over the course of 20 years, less than 20 years with all three completely different rosters.

I mean, that's the sign of what a really, really good franchise and three and a decade. Yeah, three and a decade. So you got another quote here from Joel Embiid. Yeah, obviously, I'm sure since we got everybody expected the Houston James Harden, but that's not who he is anymore. He's more of a playmaker. I thought at times, as with all of us, who could have been more aggressive. It's just that's just well.

And you can't say shit to him because he's right. That's the truth. Well, the truth will set you free. No one's going to be mad at Joel and beat for for telling it like it is right now. Because like James Harden is he I might be actually flipping on James Harden. I think I like James Harden now. Yes, I can't. I don't I don't like it's fun to talk about the choke jobs in the playoffs and him just like not showing up.

But now it's just like James Harden, I think is just he's got it all figured out, man. He's rich and he doesn't have to show up for work. He can just get fat all the time and not work. That's the American dream. You know what it is? I think it's because it happens every year. It's like, can you cancel someone multiple, multiple times? Like over and over.

Eventually, everyone's going to like put down their pitchforks and be like, well, this is kind of tiring. James Harden every year, the internet's like, let's rally and get him. And yeah, it was fun. And I tweeted a picture of him just looking so tired and like just just beat to hell. But there is a small part of it. It's like this guy, no matter what, it just we always end up right back here. It's the story of the scorpion and the scorpion, the frog.

We're like, you know that he's a scorpion. So the frogs taking him across the river. And then the frogs, it sinks actually this time. And it's like, what's up with that? And the scorpion's like, sorry, I gained 70 pounds. I'm James Harden. You should know. Yeah. And I got out of breath and I didn't really want to shoot it. You know what the craziest part is?

He played the entire third quarter. I think he played like 21 minutes in the second half. Again, it wasn't like he wasn't playing. You can't help but respect that. You know who he is. There's enough, there's enough body of evidence out there right now to know exactly who James Harden is. Hank is still amazed at how much money he's making.

Forty seven point three six. And that, well, that combined with Billy's just been having like an absolute feast over here. I'm just impressed with how much he's been eating. And it's great to be able to get a ball. Yeah. My game ball. Yeah. Thomas Nosek, he had two points and was instrumental in the Bruins win.

Nice. The best part is Billy's just eating. And he also who like, no matter what the plans we ever do on this podcast, like we had a very set plan. He's always the first to text being like, what's the plan? Like we literally said, when I was walking out of the studio today, you go, what's the plan? I was like, let's let's wait till the second half.

And then if it's out of hand, we'll hop on like right around the start of the fourth quarter. It was half time and you're like, what's the plan? Well, you know, I'm just trying to stay on top of things, you know, business first, of course, but I got, I got hungry. It is eating hour. All right. So that came six years. I mean, yeah, I don't know what to say other than they got problems. They got big time problems.

I don't know if Doc Rivers, I mean, he did. No one expected anything out of them when he got there. Listen, he, if you look at the trajectory, it improved over last year in a way. No, actually, no. Actually, no. You don't think right now, where the team is at right now? Do you think I'm less? I feel like the vibes are like slightly higher than they were last year when they

got there, they're slightly higher, but. They're still really bad. Yeah. They're like, it's they're still negative vibes. They're just not super negative vibes. Right. Yeah, it's they're less. They're less low, but even actually, I don't know. Maybe not because the Ben Simmons part of it.

You Philly fans going out of last year could have told themselves, well, at least we can do something about Ben Simmons. James Harden can opt in for forty seven point three, six, six million dollars. And it's it's almost like a reverse hostage situation where like James Tartan will be he's holding himself hostage. It's John Q. He's holding himself hostage on the Sixers unless they do something about like giving that big contract extension like you talked about and then try to move him

somewhere else. So I the only reason I say that the vibes might be like a little less low than they were at this point last year is because Embiid played so fucking well this season. Yeah, no, he's going to come back. You know that his ceiling is like so, so high right now and that you can win a championship with him if you get him the right piece. Yeah, no, that that part you're absolutely right. Like, you know, people will be like, dude, what are you talking about? You're bulls fan.

Of course, I'd rather have Joel Embiid than pretty much anyone in the NBA. At this point, so you're right. You do have a piece that is whatever you want to say, one, two or three best put like Yanis, Joel, like whatever you want to rank them, we're not going to rank them. But yeah, you're right. Like you have a piece that is better than almost every other team in the NBA. But fuck forty seven point three six six. That's so bad.

All right. Sun's game just went final. Mavs force game seven. Chris Paul opted out of this game and that's all I got. They just killed him like that wasn't even that was never close. Yeah, I fully expected the Suns to win this game, too. I thought that they were going to run away with it. I don't know what's going on. I saw that you text the group chat that

Racilla was already hedging against Chris Paul saying that he's hurt. Should we get on board that? Should we know he didn't say he was hurt? He said something is off. And I replied, yeah, we're a month into the NBA playoffs. This is right when Chris Paul, something is off. But yeah, something is off. He said, I did expect the maps to win now before the game or before we hopped on.

Hank, you said the Suns are definitely going to win game seven. Yeah, 100 percent. So I tend to agree. But now the Suns are in a spot where they're playing against Luca in a game seven where he can easily be the best player on the court. Like that's so dangerous to be in a game seven. Where if Luca is like, I'm going to not miss tonight, he could easily do that and steal the series.

So what's weird about this game seven is I think for the Mavs, it's going to be like a real big turning point for their franchise if they win or if they lose this one particular game because it feels way different. If the Mavs get bounced in the second round, they've got Luca, who's a great player. But you almost have to admit at that point, like you need to do you need to find a piece to fit around Luca, to take it to the next step. And it's going to be tough to find like a real good complementary player for a player like Luca, because just of his style, like it's tough to find

somebody that that that'll fit in nicely with him and take it to the next level. Now, if they just happen to win the next game, then you can be like, listen, we made it all the way to the Western Conference finals last year. Luca is good enough to do this with a team that we have running right now to take us to the finals and maybe win one. So in a weird way, it's like this one game actually will mean a lot for the future of the Mavericks. Yeah, I do think they're already in a little bit of not house money,

but like Luke, they did the progression thing. Like Luca had never won a playoff series. They win the first playoff series. They're taking the Western Conference champs to seven. So they are like, I wouldn't say if they get bounced in seven at Phoenix, I wouldn't say this was a disappointing run for the Mavs. But I get what you're saying. Like the course of the franchise could change like similar to the Hawks being

like we've arrived when they go to the Western or Eastern Conference finals last year and they clearly hadn't. Right. So I'll take it one step further. How's this for take? It would actually be better for the future of the Dallas Mavericks if they lose this game. Oh, what? Get on that level.

This is like, did you guys see the take? I'm going to find it. There was a there's a real take quick. That's a good take quick. I kind of you could convince yourself of it. I get what you're saying. I don't agree. Listen, no, it's stupid as fuck saying, but it's fun.

But you know what I'm saying? Like if they if they had gotten blown out in the second round, then I feel like Mark Cuban would kind of like have to go nuclear and try to put something good together and get like an awesome player to team up with Luca to take that next step. It would be like, all right, we need we need to do a not a rebuild, but we need to like actually focus on getting like as much new talent around Luca as possible. Whereas I don't think they get to the finals and they put up like a decent showing in the Western Conference finals, then you can go into the offices with

the mentality of our team is good enough. We just need to be together for another year. I don't think Cuban is like that. Yeah, I don't think he falls under that category of owners that are just like happy with with what they do. And if they're successful, then they're just not going to care. Like, I feel like he cares. Yeah, no, he does.

And he wants to put the best team around it. It's one of those takes that I don't agree with, but I respect. Yeah, thank you. That's all I need. Yeah, yeah. This is another one. So this is this is another one that I saw is Bob Kravitz, one of your deflakey guys, Hank, he had a headline. I didn't read it, but he so he might have explained it better.

I don't care. I just read headlines, whatever. The Indianapolis Indianapolis star guy, right? Yeah. A repeat of Jonathan Taylor's output would be bad for the Colts. Yes. Yes. I love that. I love that. I agree. Those are the best takes in the world, though. That's what makes talking about sports fun is to see like who can who can be so smart that they actually become stupid as shit.

Yeah, exactly. Exactly. So game seven and then we got to talk a little hockey. Then let's talk some NFL and we'll get to the rest of the show. He's actually responsible for deflakey, by the way. He's like he's like he was the the reporter who like first reported it and then said he has a seat of doubt afterwards. Oh, shit. I didn't know that. I have something to read to you guys.

It's the famous tweet. We don't have any words and we know you don't want to hear them. We understand your anger, your frustration, your sadness, everything you're feeling. We get it. This isn't the ending we imagined and certainly not the one we wanted. Thank you for being there the entire way. That's the Tampa Bay Lightning tweet from 2019. They're 17 and 0 off a playoff loss since that tweet. Insane, insane run.

I don't know if we'll ever have a run like that again. And it even includes the stupid bubble qualifying thing that they did. Did you see the guy that's up in what's the name of the it's it's like Jurassic Park. But when it's for the Maple Leafs, when all of Toronto goes outside and watches on the big screen TV, yeah, there was one guy and it's tough to tell because the lightning and the Leafs have very similar uniforms, very similar colors. And so there's a guy that's wearing a lightning jersey. And right after they score an overtime to win,

the whole place gets like super quiet room, puts their head down. The guy in the lightning jersey slowly just calmly takes his jersey off and wraps it up so that he can walk out of there and get home safe. It's awesome. It's such a fun. It's a smart move to that. Credit to that guy for not even celebrating, for knowing his role in that environment. Well, my question actually is why was he there in the first place? Right.

If you didn't think that he was going to win in the middle of a bunch of pissed off Torontoians, but still like great situational awareness on his part. The fear in the city of Toronto on Saturday morning, waking up, is going to be at an all time high. Like this is just everything, everything. They haven't won a series what since 2004. It's crazy. It's crazy that they're going into a game seven against the defending Stanley

Cup champions. I I'm nervous for them. I think they're going to win, but I'm very, very nervous. This is if they go down early, if things could just get real ugly, real fast. I think they're going to win too. I haven't been a Maple Leaf supporter for longer than like a month. But if there's one thing that I feel about this type of team, the Toronto Maple Leafs are engineered to win clutch playoff game sevens. This is that that's just in their DNA.

You go, you go, you see them play at their arena. You see all the banners hanging up. I think some of them are even from as late as the 60s. Like that's just what this team does. They win clutch game sevens. Yeah, they do game of the year lightning. I couldn't love a team anymore. Two time defending champs game of the year game of the year.

Wait, you game of the year. So yeah, OK, game five that hit. Two time defending champions. They've been there. They've experienced it. They've played as a team. They've won championships. This is the first round.

They don't have as much pressure. Toronto has all they have the most. They have the pressure of a city that needs a championship and an entire country that needs a championship. But they have me. There's no. Yeah. And exactly. That's actually worse. That's like the straw that breaks the cable back top.

That's fucked up. You can't curse something that's been cursed forever. But you can make it worse. You can like join the bandwagon. I don't know. Game of the year. Or I make it better. I like how how confident you are on hockey. Like I don't know.

It's hockey. I don't fucking know. But that's where it's not hockey big cat. It's like this is psychological. Yes. I see what you're saying. All right. So Hank, your hockey team. Also game seven, you fell asleep though. Speaking of psychological, I mean, I can only go through stats. I can only go with what I know.

And that's that the two games they won. We were traveling and then we were in Vegas. So I didn't see those two games tonight. I was tired watching like the beginning of the first period fell sleep on the couch. Woke up. The game was over. We won. So I can't watch game seven. Like I'm not going to watch game seven.

I can't. I have to just go with the stats, right? Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, that's that's what happened with you and the Patriots. You were a concourse. I think you got to do that again. This was these ones weren't even intentional. These weren't even like let's superstitiously not watch. This was just like I was traveling and then I fell asleep.

But stats are stats. I think you need to just like wake up when it wait. When is game seven? Saturday, Saturday, three games, sevens on Saturday, Saturday. So you just need to you need to just not think about the game at all. Not even check the score until after the game is over. Seven o'clock. And I like that.

And the lightning maybe was around seven thirty. So I'll just watch that. Yeah, I should correct that. The Oilers are up to one going into the third. There might not be three games that I don't want to jinx. I had the Kings could be two. Should we talk some NFL schedule before we get to the rest of the show in studio? Yeah, just quickly.

Fuck the wild terrible team. Terrible franchise, worse for you, Trevor. I think the big the big news from the NFL schedule off the top is that there's an AWOL in NFL scheduling department because we get the Bears, commanders, Thursday night football, and then Bears, patriots, Monday night football and back to back weeks. So someone's fucking with us. I love that. I love that.

I'm so glad that Thursday football is actually like the perfect venue for the Washington to see words in the Bears. It really is. And we got to think of something good to do for that street. Maybe go to the game. I don't know. Yeah, well, I'm down. And it also is nice that they finally figured out like someone in the NFL scheduling department from the Bears perspective said a week seven is right

around when the Bears are going to be so bad, no one wants to watch them because they have three prime time games in the first seven weeks. And then they're done. Genius. You're raising your hand, Billy. So I just want to talk about the jet schedule. My prediction is what? Go off your handrails for like 20 minutes.

Well, it's either going to be low level, seven and ten, high level nine and eight. But you knew that. Thank God, thank God you had your handrails for that. We knew you were playing before tonight. No, but it's different. I know what you're saying. Looking at the schedule. Right.

This way you get to like incorporate where the bi weeks are. You get to see where your schedule gets weaker. Where is the best? I mean, for example, you know who you're playing, but you don't know. Like you're going to have an injury bug laying in the seat. But it's not right. But none of we don't know anything like we always do this. It's fun to do it.

Oh, well, this is why we're doing it. Right. But are you saying it confidently or is this just a yes? Like I think the Bears are going to go 17 now. No, no, I'm saying I'm saying realistically, hopefully nine and eight. We make a playoff birth and then we get something going. I mean, we have an electric team there. It might be low to do a wagon.

Well, we have a lot of players. We had a lot of electric players got a lot of parts and got a defense that's head by Salah. That's going to be good. What's the point of your schedule that you're most worried about, Billy? Patriots and Buffalo. Yeah. But when is when is now we're doing the schedule that you just saw the opponents

when you knew that you were playing them four times, but what? Right. But late Patriots late in the season for the playoff birth, because look, Bailey, that Zappy might actually be a starter and they might have a rookie quarterback that we can beat. I'm just saying I'm talking to a high person. No, I don't know. This is why we love the schedule release.

And for me, you, Big Cat, Jake, they always play the Patriots. That's how every fucking thing about this, imagine Mac Jones gets benched for Bailey and then like we have a Patriots team for the first time in disarray. But people like, we haven't seen that in years. Yeah, we haven't seen a Patriots team led by a rookie quarterback. And I literally couldn't even think of the last time since last year. And then maybe you can count Caroppolo and then like Tom Brady, like 20 years ago, legitimately 20 years ago.

So last year would probably be like they've kind of experienced it. Right. The most recent season. I think there's going to be court quarterback controversy in New England that we're is going to actually like really tank them. I'm just saying, why'd they draft Bailey? Just saying. OK, thanks, Billy.

OK, one thing we all need to be cognizant of on this podcast, with the exception of Hank, probably, is that we are the teams that other people schedule that everybody looks at and says, OK, that win for us. Win, yes. So we're easy wins. We're all a bunch of marks over here. I stopped looking at the bear schedule after weeks. I was like, all right, just show me where the prime time games are.

All right, cool. Nothing after seven. All right, I'm good. Like just everything else at noon or one o'clock. Like that's all I want because I did when I got off the train today. That's when we saw that's when the schedule came out. And Jake was walking outside the train station with me and I pulled it up and I started going through it and I'm such a fucking sucker.

I was doing the win, win, loss, loss, win, win. Jake, what I what I come up with, like, honestly, in the moment, 12 and five, Washington, 12 and five. I think the commander, I think the commanders actually have an easy schedule this year. If you look at it like the NFC Beast, we're going to be good. The entire division is going to be good. We play the worst. That wouldn't be an easy schedule. Well, we we're going to beat each other up inside the division.

But besides that, I think if you look at the the rankings of strength of schedule, I think the four teams with the weakest schedules are all the NFC East teams because probably because they play each other. Actually, now that I think about it. So I'm pulling it up right now. The four teams with the weakest schedule is actually it's the yes. It's the Giants, the Eagles, the Colts and the Bears. I saw the commanders had the easiest schedule.

Where did you see that? It was it was on at least three articles. I'm going off of I'm going off Warren Sharpe, who I trust be like different kind of metrics. Yeah, he got his own metrics. Yeah, I feel like the fairest way is winning percentage from last year. Right. Yeah. Yeah. But that doesn't yeah, I guess, but you have to like take into account like if you're playing the Broncos this year, it's different than playing

right last year. Seahawks like so I I don't know how he does it, but you'd have to take into account like shifting of quarterbacks and everything. Right. Yeah. I mean, that's that's probably a fair thing to say, but I do know that the Bears have an easy schedule to like on paper. Yeah, because they they stunk last year. That's kind of, you know, they do design it that way. I do. Nice.

I love kind of all the pageantry that goes around the schedule release. They do the release of the schedule release date like two weeks ago. And then there's like a slow trickling out of information. But I have a better way to do it. I think this would actually be what if what if every year they just like announced during football season on Monday mornings? They did like a selection show for what teams were going to be playing that week. Like not even the teams knew about it.

Yeah, they just announced it at the start of the week. That would get me through my Monday morning so much faster. It'd be amazing. Yeah, it's like when they announce like where the game where college game day is going to be. Yeah, exactly. Why not? I mean, imagine how exciting Monday mornings would be. Even if the best part about that would be if you have a shitty team and you lose on Sunday, you still have something to look forward to on Monday.

You can use the internet on Monday morning. Yes. Because at least there's some important information that you're going to need to know. Others quirks that I noticed going through the schedule week one Broncos at Seahawks. That's awesome that they did that Monday night football. That's going to be great. Like we'll just I'll soak that in. Thanksgiving night. I always got to look you always got to look at the schedule and see like

am I going to have to be around family, talk about stuff. Thanksgiving night. Hanks Patriots at the Vikings. Kirk Cousins prime time, like thank you, NFL. You gave us a great talking point, like how look at Kirk Cousins. That's so nice of them. Yeah. Now, is that going to be like a superpower game for Kirk Cousins playing on Christmas? No, that's Thanksgiving night.

OK, Thanksgiving. Yeah. No, he's yeah. That's going to be that's actually going to be perfect for Kirk Cousins to have like an awful game. Belichick is going to dismantle him limb by limb. There's a working weird theory out there that the Browns got an easy first four games because Godel is going to suspend to Sean Watson for the month of September. I don't really understand that one because like,

when is the NFL done anything nice for the Browns? Yeah, it doesn't add up. It doesn't matter. Did you have an easy schedule to start? Like that would be that would absolutely be the first time that like dealers, fans would be NFL rigged because the Browns are getting a break. Yeah, they play the Panthers, the Jets, the Steelers and the Falcons. So it is an easy first four weeks.

And then the last one, which Roger Godel, like you didn't have to do this, we all were going to watch NFL anyway. What they did for the Christmas Day schedule is so mean because they did so it's Packers at Dolphins first game. I don't know, might want to have the Heat and Bucks play in the NBA. That's funny. Then second game, they have the Broncos at the Rams. I don't know, playing the Lakers.

You might want to have the Lakers play in the, you know, NBA Christmas Day or maybe even the Nuggets with your two-time MVP. And then the last game is, I don't know who's playing the Cardinals. I can't remember. Oh, the Bucks, Bucks at Cardinals. I don't know. The Phoenix Suns seem like a pretty good team. They literally just picked out the best NBA teams. I think that I think the Bulls and the Knicks are going to have to play

five times on Christmas Day. Like it's the only thing they have left. I didn't notice that about about the schedule. But it's so funny. I guarantee you that that crossed Roger Godel's mind. He's like, if we're going to, if we're going to invade Christmas Day, we're going to take the entire fucking holiday for ourselves. They took five, five teams that right now sitting right now,

you would say you're almost a lock to be on the NBA's Christmas Day schedule. Five teams, the Bucks, the Heat, the Lakers. You could even throw the Clippers, the Nuggets and then the Suns. They just took, they just completely cucked the NBA on their day. I also, I love the first game of the season. Oh my God, the Bills, the Rams, as the kickoff game. So I've never done a game of the year, but I think I'm in advance calling that my game of the summer game of maybe, yeah, maybe just game of the year

on the over, calling it right now. Like throughout the summertime, when I'm making, yeah, the over, the over is going to happen and I'm going to, I'm going to like save money as much as I can over the summer, bit by bit by bit and squirrel it all away to make this my biggest bet ever. I just, I can envision that being like a 48, 47 ball game. Yeah, that's going to be a fun one. God damn.

And then we also have Bucks at Cowboys. Sunday night football to start. That's, I mean, good job. And if I, I looked through, I scrolled through it and honestly, there's like nothing, nothing you can say like, oh, that game shouldn't be like, I just want football. Yeah. I just want football. You only, I have the, I have the self-awareness to realize just when the

bears are on national television, other people are looking at being like, we don't want to watch that. And obviously week two Packers, Bears, national television. I'm just, I just kill myself. Yeah. Don't do that. But maybe we're for real this time. Who cares? Don't do that. No dishes, nothing.

As much as we made fun of like everything trickling out and being such a weird way of like announcing your schedule and taking yourself very seriously through the NFL. When it comes out, I still get excited. Yeah. I actually, I, I, I was reading. I was like super pumped up. I was doing all the things that I make fun of other people for doing, like, like scheduling out what my wins were going to be next year.

It's just it's good to have some optimism every now and again. Yeah. No, you have to do this. I was, I was getting frustrated this morning just because it was like every blue check mark was holding it over our heads. Did you see that one guy, by the way? Shout out to one guy who named his Twitter account NFL schedule leaks. Yeah. And he was completely just making them all up. And he got like 10,000 followers.

And then he was just like, yeah, this is all made up. Yeah, I love, I love the move of just being like, yeah, I was bored and I just decided to fuck with people online. So I just invented all this stuff and I got over 10,000 followers. And then one of the first replies underneath is from one of the new like anonymous, like NFL injury and trade update accounts. I think it's called like JPA football takes himself quite seriously. And that guy was like, yeah, well, guess what?

You just lost like 900 of them over the last hour. And it's like, yeah, that's the guy's point. That's the point is like, he doesn't care about building his brand. Yes. It's all fake. Yes, exactly. And also one last shout out to the chargers for doing the anime is including Urban Meyer as a Jaguar at the bar, which was great.

Yeah, little nuggets everywhere. Wait, so let's let's grade the schedule releases. I think the chargers get an A. Yeah. Lions Lions get an A. Oh, yeah. A plus Commander Dale Brown from Detroit Urban Survival Training. Yeah. So they get an A plus.

And those are really the only two that stood out to me. I think Cleveland. I think Cleveland did something cool, too. The Cardinals did Flappy Bird, which is OK. Hats had Ernie Adams. Oh, that's kind of cool. That's cool. So pink. Yeah.

The Bears were just throwing throwing footballs into like a bucket. It was like a solid F minus, like as much of a F minus as you could get. The commanders just took three players. They took like Charles Leno, Jr. into a break room and just had him smash different items. They get an F as well. I don't know. I just I would actually be fine if they just if the Bears just released the

schedule, like here's our schedule. I don't know if a team didn't do it. Be like, you can find it online. Fucking Google it, dude. We're focused on football on our team, not schedule releases. Last thing to not to go back to Sixers fans, but Memes is updating this. So thank you to Memes. What one last quote?

Jimmy Butler in the hallway yelling to bias Harris over me. So that's tough. Yeah, that that's tough. But yeah, all right. Should we kick it? Should we kick it to ourselves? Yeah, everyone listen to Brian Cox incredible interview. Let's kick it back to ourselves in the studio.

Did Billy leave? Yeah, if you notice, when Billy started, he started doing a studio was like, you went like this. Someone I'll record you. Yeah, yeah, I am I am recording. All right, so I noticed this. Billy was closing his laptop, like if your mom walks into the room and you're like looking at porn, somebody walked in and he was like,

ashamed to be doing a podcast. And he was like, I'm not working. I also like that. Like we got like black ball when we visited them there. Remember? Yeah, that's true. We'll kick it to ourselves in a second. But that was very funny that Billy now it makes sense that he raises hand to try to talk about the jet schedule first because you want to be done.

Oh, dude, no. OK, so. My God, I don't want to be. You're all right. Let's talk about the schedule. He goes like he was like, he was like, oh, Jets first. Let's do it. And what Billy is like, I just want to talk about the jets.

Like, of course, we're going to lead off with the fact that all like our three teams play each other in like a round. Robin, Jets, Jets, Jets, Jets. OK, so I don't want to throw Billy under the bus, but he did reach out to me at 1102 and he said, Loki, how bad of a move is it to not zoom in tonight? So something weird is going on. And I told him, I said, it's not a good idea to just not show up at all without asking ahead of time.

No, correct, correct. All right, we'll leave this all in when I. Yeah, also when I when I picked it up, he was just like walking through a neighborhood and was like, oh, let me find somewhere good. And he was on his phone and then just like walked into a TD bank and like sat on the counter of it and was there like before. And like we were trying to set up PFT's Mike and he like kept trying to get in. So I was like, Billy, just fucking hold on.

Like, I'll get you in after. And then that's when he showed up on a laptop. So I was like, I'll get used to because I texted everyone. I said, let's start at 1130 and 1125. Billy texted, let me in the Billy break into a bank to record a podcast. I thought he was doing I thought he was doing I have videos like I'm at the bank. No, I had schedule first. So funny.

He makes me laugh. All right, this will this will be on this will be on PM2B, I guess. Yes, no, no, I say, keep this in the podcast. Yeah, keep it in the podcast. Yeah. Yeah. All right, now let's get ourselves. Yeah, great show, boys. Let's kick it back to ourselves. All right.

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player of the year award from Marcus Smart to regular Susan award and back to back plays. Panic button, because it did feel it felt like a game you guys should have won. And the Bucks found a way to just make enough plays down the stretch where they win the game in stunning fashion. Bobby Portis never stops hustling thoughts. Worse loss since game seven. Easter Conference finals against LeBron, for sure, as good as the win the other night felt last night felt significantly worse.

It was like a big time lose sleep over it. Like you're kind of up at night thinking about it. It's the first thing you wake up. First thing you think about when you wake up, just deep sigh and just like you look at the all the Bobby Portis drew holiday stuff like it shouldn't have even happened. It was it was 14 seconds left. Yanis missed a free throw. Marcus Smart and Jalen Brown were the only two people close to it.

Crazy. Somehow they didn't say anything. They didn't communicate. They got mixed up. The ball went out of bounds. They both got that. No, the ball went to Bobby Portis. They both got their hands on the ball. Insane bounce.

And because everyone was going for the rebound, Bobby Portis was able to get his shot up without anyone contesting it, which even Bobby Portis, I think if you asked him, if you hit him with true serum, he didn't think that was going in. The way he shot it was like, I have the ball. I have to shoot. I'm right here through it off the glass in. And then the drew holiday play, which was an insane defensive play to help, you know, help with Pat Connitan and snatch the ball from Marcus Smart, then throw it off of him.

We talked about Marcus Smart when we talked about, you know, him passing up that shot. And it was like, that's something the old Marcus Smart would do. And I said, that's something that, you know, Marcus Smart might do tomorrow. Like last night was a perfect example of that where. Jason Tatum and Jalen Brown didn't touch the ball in the most crucial possessions of the game. Like, yeah, he kind of had to open look at the basket, but there was still a lot of time. I don't know why they wouldn't have gotten the ball to one of those guys first. And then on the inbound play, there was just a lot of turnovers

the Celtics had in the fourth quarter that were like, I don't know, just lazy or like kind of inexcusable, where they just had bad passes, kind of lazy passes, go out of bounds, get deflected, get stolen. But to just not even get a shot at the tie when you had the lead and essentially the ball with 14 seconds left, it it's devastating. It was a devastating loss. I still think the Celtics are going to win the series though. I like that.

I think they're going to win tonight. Is he a must win or can't lose? It's a must win. OK, smart revenge. I have a bet in the Barstow sports book, Celtics to win. Marcus Smart over points, rebounds, assist there. I mean, it was as bad as I guess that though, right? Where 82 percent of people that win game five go on to win the series.

So so I'm just I'm wondering about math. Yeah, yeah, I do. To me, I hear people win all the time, 18 percent. That's true. That's a lot. That is 18 percent is nothing to scoff at. No. And when we were talking about Marcus Smart the other day, I think I said like you get to be like a pitcher in the major leagues with that batting average.

That's true. Yeah, you're like you're like the best hitting pitcher in the majors. It still feels dangerous when they get up to the plate, right? Jake Arietta, especially the playoffs. But we were talking about a good Marcus and bad Marcus after game one, I think. Or no, it was against the Nets, right? Yeah, the Nets game one. And I thought of this last night when I was on Twitch and it hit me like the perfect example.

Like he's he's like Rembrandt, the painter. I know you're familiar with his work, Hank. Sometimes you get a guy, but sometimes you get a guy that paints like beautiful scenes of Puritan families. And then other times you get the guy that cuts his own ear off and goes totally psycho. And last night we had the Marcus Smart was cutting his own ear off game. And I was paying attention. It was on my second screen.

I was watching a little bit. I was checking in on it. I thought I thought the Celtics had him like at halftime. I thought like this game. This game is absolutely over seven and a half. Up seven and a half time and then 13 in the fourth quarter. They were up 13 at one point. And so like you don't think that that's going to carry over.

Like that's a deflating loss. I I also I'm going to defend. I'm going to defend Marcus Smart for a second. I think that was more of an incredible play by Drew Holiday. Now I'm talking about the cut to the basket off the inbound on the side out with 14 seconds left. That was just a great like he beat Pat Conniton to get the pass to get the open shot. Drew Holiday just made a great help defense play.

Like I don't really know. I think Marcus Smart is still so much time left on the clock though. Like it's like that something tells me that that's not what they drew up. They weren't like get the ball dry to the hoop immediately. Marcus Marks and you're going to give him you know seven seconds left to win the game. Like that's not.

And then the the end of the game. I also thought I thought that was just a bad play that they kind of drew up because it was Al Hor inbound Al Horford back to Marcus Smart. So he basically had to start at the baseline and go all the way. You know what I mean. They should have had someone who can handle the ball for catching the ball and then going up. He's the point right.

That's the problem is he should maybe he should have been inbounding it. But obviously he's open after the inbound. I thought that was a little weird. Like Jason Tatum get him the ball running right. Like up the court is what I would want in that situation. There was just some like Derek White had a pass that he just passed it out of bounds. There was just a few just like lazy plays. I don't want to come lazy but just plays like even that one

where it's like handle the ball and pass it like they were just you know dribbling like way in front of him. It got stolen pretty easily. Now it was just bad. It was bad fourth quarter execution. Their offense like they went away from there. Just playing isolation basketball for the last six minutes. Like it seemed like they were up and then like all right.

We're just going to kind of play iso ball run the clock out and we got this easy. Now how much can you say though it's they're the champs for a reason because it did feel like the Bucks now the second best player is tough to say that big plays hitting two threes in the fourth like Yanis was scored 40. He kept them afloat at times. I that felt like more like they're the champs for a reason. They find a way to make a big play when it matters the most. You've got to beat them up without their second best player.

That's it's unacceptable. And so where are you at on percentages. You said 18 percent is pretty good. But I get the feeling that you're more in the twenty two twenty three percent range. That they lose that they. Oh so you're saying sixty seven percent chance that they win both that they win both these games. Yes. That way that's the wrong math isn't it.

Yeah. No I know I said seventy seven percent chance. I would say that game six is kind of like if the Celtics win game six I they were they're going to win the series in my mind. I agree like the Bucks have to win the Bucks actually have a must win because going back to Boston for a game seven after you could have closed them out at home that feels like a must win. That's a can't lose to me. Yeah. That's a can't lose.

OK. Game six at home you don't want it to go back. That's a can't lose. So it's a must win versus can't lose. It's a must win versus can't lose. We'll find out tonight which is more important. Wow. Huge smart revenge. You were pretty Liam said that he had to take a walk after. Yeah. I mean I was like I was I just sat on my couch kind of staring for like a

while and like I said it was the first thing I thought about this morning was just like 14 seconds left with a rebound like it should have been 14 seconds left up one with the ball and instead it was down one and then down three in two seconds it was it was horrible. Yeah. Yeah it was they like changed the way that they were playing essentially once they were once they had the lead they did kind of play like not to lose instead of to win like they were like on their heels the whole time once there was five minutes left where they weren't pushing on offense and their defense

was just like playing prevent defense essentially. Yeah. And then eventually like they're just going to get picked apart doing that. I want to go to game seven. I do too. I'm rooting I'm rooting for that and it's not because I want to see the Celtics lose right now I actually want to see I want to see Hank happy. I want to see him thriving so I'm rooting for the Celtics hard. I want to see them lose it in the championship.

I want to get that I want to get that heartbreak. OK. So I'm pulling for you Hank. And then the other heartbreak we had PFT's caps were up three zero in Florida felt like it was stranglehold on the series and then the Panthers showed up and absolutely like blitz the cat it happened so fast. All right well to be fair they also can custer goalie is a dirty play high stick to the chin Jake you saw it Sam Sonoff collapsed to his knees. It looked like he was unconscious for a little bit looked like he died.

They gave him penalty. There was no blood. That's such a weird rule that they have in the NHL where it's like if you bleed that's how we determine actually now that I think about that's a good rule. Like that's a good that's as good a rule as any. It's like if you are showing visible blood it's more severe penalty. No blood no foul but still they can custer goalie. He didn't look right for the rest of the game.

Bobrovsky looked like he had looked all year. I'm I'm worried. I'm a little bit worried that Jake is going to defeat me in my own barn and that he's going to be so nice and polite about it. He's going to stick his hand out. We're going to do the handshake line. It's going to be like losing to a golden retriever and I can't be mad at him. So I don't know who I'm going to be mad at in that instance.

I'm talking myself into all the worst things only good a couple of good spin zones that I have for myself. Number one we got into a fight at the very end of the game. I always love that and I need it. At the end of a playoff game if you get your ass kicked if you can get into a fight with the other guy with under a minute left. I feel like that momentum actually does carry over to the next game. So I think was Lars Eller beat the shit out of your guy.

So I agree with that. I just care about scoreboard. We're skating downhill right now. We're skating downhill. That's the thing the ice is tilted towards the capitals. That's what I'm telling myself. The ice is tilted. We've got home ice.

We're going to be rocking the red in the barn for the tits bet. So you guys are going to be in the barn Friday night. We're going to be there. Jake and I we're going to go on DC Sports Radio tomorrow. I'm going to open up the phone lines to have any listeners to 1067 the fan call in and just roast Jake. I just want to I want it to be a roast of Jake Marsh. What's the radio tomorrow.

I don't have the number. OK, text it to me. OK, I'll text it to you. What time. It's going to be 11 a.m. All right. I want corporate. I'll cancel some meetings.

Yeah, meetings around. I want everyone. I want Hank to call in. I want everyone to call in and just roast Jake Marsh to his face. He'll sit there and he'll take it. I'm going to show you what it's like to be a visiting sports fan in DC. This ain't Ralph John. This is the thing.

I'm not coming in like flipping off the caps. No, yeah, you are. I know you are right before we started. You're like, I will beat the fuck out of any capitals fan that tries me. Jake was like, that's what he said to me. You mean the Washington Capitals? I thought that was out of line. Jake, he was like, if any cap fans like even fucking look at me funny,

I am going to pound their face in. It was disgusting. I may have said that. So he did. So everybody call in and roast Jake to his face. I need I need all the false confidence that I can get going to this game. Now, PFT, if someone did try Jake, yeah, you have a like heavy burden of not letting our darling boy get hurt.

I will. I will personally murder anybody else. Jake, yeah, I will murder anyone that tries to get either Jake. If someone tried to hurt Jake, it would be pretty close to like someone trying to hurt my child. I would have I'd have big time dad strength. I would go to yeah, I would go to jail for you, Jake. Someone tried to hurt Billy. I'd like tag me in.

But that's just that's how we set up the jokes. But Jake knows Billy can fucking beat up anyone. Yeah, heroin fuck out anyone. Well, not a banana heroin. Not a banana heroin. Yeah, I'm excited to be fun. There's gonna be a decent crowd for fans of fans. See, what?

Why do you say that? Huh? Because I've had like three people who I went to high school say they moved to D.C. And they're going to be at the game. OK, shoot. All right. So for at least four Panthers confirmed there. Yeah, we know him.

I loved watching the game on ESPN. I don't know like what the hierarchy is for all the NHL, like the the rabid fans out there. You probably from what I gather, you like listening to your home broadcast first and foremost. And then there's probably some national announces that you like, some that you don't. The guys on ESPN, too, I don't know who they were.

But at the end of the game, when they broke it down for me, I'm not a smart hockey fan, but they broke it down in a way that I was like a trend still for him. Yeah, yeah, even Paul Bissnet could understand the way that they broke down the game when it was five to three and we pulled her goalie with three minutes left. The announcer goes, all right, so what you're going to want to do here, you're

going to want to score as fast as you can. Because if you score fast, then that gives you more time to score again to tie the game. And I was like, oh, you want to put the pressure on them. Yeah, you really want to put the pressure on them. You might score again. They almost did. They almost did.

We had our chances. We missed them. I'll just say it gets my firefest already, which is I. A lot of people are saying that I jinxed the capitals. I don't believe in jinxes. I did say when they were up three nothing, I was like, if we win this Stanley Cup and the next Stanley Cup, does that count as a dynasty taking into account

the 2018 Stanley Cup that they have? I was just asking the question. And I think it might. Sorry to debate. I think that's too many years in between. No, COVID, you have a COVID years. COVID years doesn't count. And then last year, Mickey Mouse with no fans.

I think it does. I think only because of COVID, you could make it work. I think it would if the lightning hadn't won two. But those are COVID. Right, but the lightning won two in that in between. So it's like tough to. Well, that's like the Rockets win. When the Bulls weren't winning.

Right, they didn't have a. You wouldn't call the Rockets a dynasty. No, I'm saying, but I would call the Bulls. That entire thing was a dynasty. Right. Six, not three. I'm going to count. And it was three.

It's really three and five years at that point. Again, that's if we win this Stanley Cup and next year's Stanley Cup. Oh, you're counting. You're eliminating COVID year. Eliminating COVID year altogether. And then last year, I'm calling it a Mickey Mouse one because certain teams did not have fans.

Got it. So yeah, I guess if we eliminate two years, then yes. It'd be three and four. Good, but I did tweet that out. We do it that way. Yeah, you're right. Within 30 seconds of my tweet, the the Panthers scored their first goal and then it just never stopped after that.

And I experienced the same thing that Hank did where I just I sat and I stared at my TV for a long time. It was actually shocking that it happened like to both of your teams at the exact same time, almost where it was like, oh, fuck, that's a price you pay that's a price you pay for rooting for excellence. Yeah, other games that we had, well, we have a new narrative that's very fun.

Are the Grizzlies better without John Morant? I love that. You know, I love that. People are people are talking because they absolutely want the war. I've never, it was shocking to watch. It was so shocking that I watched the whole first half and usually it's like auto bet warriors, second half.

I just went to bed and I was like, there's the warriors don't want to be here. They don't they packed it in. The Grizzlies are absolutely killing them. But the stat is the Warriors are sorry, the Grizzlies are now I think 21 and six without John Morant. Interesting. 21 and six.

That's very interesting. I don't I still can't not bet the Warriors though. The Warriors are going to be as long as they have Steph Curry and Clay Thompson and Draymond Green playing, I'm going to automatically bet them because I feel like they can't be this bad at shooting for this long. It was it was a stunning, stunning game. But I also do think like right.

They try to make a little push in the middle of the second quarter and it and the Grizzlies stayed firm and then extended the lead. And at that point, I think the Warriors are like, this is not us tonight. We're out. Yeah. So I think that the Warriors are that good of a team where if they think that a game is out of hand, they don't have to really like try to push back from the 20 point lead.

They can just say, we'll roll the dice in the next game because we're a vastly superior team. Right. I do like the fact that John Morant, his his bone bruise was not caused by the violation of no way, no way. He just like banged his knee on a separate play. And then he went back and he was like, that's a violation of the code. You can't do that.

But yeah, John Morant is probably out for the rest of the playoffs. I believe so. But that means they'll probably win the title. Bro football doc. Bone bruise contusion deep. How long medium depth like two hours. John Morant's a pussy. Yeah, no, like a bone bruise just like stings at first.

Yeah. And then it's like, it's a bone. So it doesn't really move. So it's like not really sore. So just deal with it. Yeah. Bones don't move. No. Think about it.

Hockey players, they play with bone bruises all the time. Bones, bones move, but muscles are moving the bone. The bone doesn't actually move. Bones, bones break bones break, but they, but they don't move and they don't bend. Hmm. But I'm moving. You're moving the bones, but your muscles are the ones moving.

The muscles are moving the bones. Yeah. So two hours. What's moving the muscles? Electroshocks, causing contractions. What about your heart? Well, it's electricity. It's polarization, depolarization of the heart.

We're organic robots. Tessels. Yeah. Okay. Hell yeah. Credit to us for not knowing, knowing throwing in a bonk there, because that could have. We're just talking about bones moving.

That's yeah, that's it. Right there. Um, all right, uh, Rangers and penguins have some bad blood, which is awesome. Need it. Sidney Crosby out. I don't know how long he'll be out. Somebody told me that he was going to be out for like the rest of the playoff.

Well, he does have concussion history. It's an upper body injury, which could be anything above the penis. I think it might have been a concussion. Now, maybe I'm wrong, but as an elbow, it felt like to the face. So Sidney Crosby is a guy that like, I begrudgingly have to admit that he is one of the greatest hockey players of all time. Very, very good. I don't, I want to root for him to be out with an injury, but like,

if it's his head given his history, I feel a little bit dirty about that. So I'm just going to say, I think it's his shoulder. Okay. Until proven wrong. I think it's his shoulder. Yeah. I think he separated his shoulder. And I hope it keeps him out for the rest of his career.

Now that being said, if it's his head, I hope that he returns and makes a full recovery within the next like 12 hours. Right. And he's fine. But I really hope it's his shoulder and that he's never able to play hockey again and that he dies alone. Okay. There it is.

That's, that's perfectly put. Okay. Let's get to our interview. We got an interview that is something very different, but very interesting. Brian Cox, who is, what is his official title? Astrophysicist? Rockstar Astrophysicist. Yeah.

Crazy conversation in studio. Blew our minds. We'll blow your mind. Hit the blunt now. Hit the blunt now. Good point. Yes. And then we'll finish with Firefest on the other end.

Go check him out on his tour. Yes. Billy and I stopped by and we, we stayed for like the first like hour and a half of it. It was, I looked over at Billy and he seriously had his head in his hands and I watched his mind explode when he was discussing black holes. This guy's a fascinating, fascinating interview. Yes. Absolutely.

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I actually have to tell you right now, though, up until like 10 minutes ago, we thought we were getting the guy from Succession. Do you know? I know him. Oh, and we went out for dinner together in London about two years ago. And we planned it. So he went into the restaurant. He said, you have a table for Brian Cox? And they said, yeah, and he went and sat down.

And then just after I went in and said, you have a table for Brian Cox? Are they panicked because they thought, oh, no, we've given the wrong table away. So, yeah. Did you eat dinner with them? Yeah. OK, there we go. Both Brian Cox. I'm just imagining the back and forth conversation at that table. You two have both very distinctive voices, but at the complete opposite ends of the spectrum, where he's like screaming.

You're like, oh, yes, yes, yes. Yeah, yeah, he's quite gentle, though, in real life. He's not the succession character. Yeah, I mean, I was I was joking, by the way. We knew you were we actually requested for you to come on the show. I was just trying to get in a mental edge because I know this is probably not going to go well for us. Understanding everything.

But it's great to have you on. It is a little different. Um, I guess I don't know even know where to start with a guy. All right, let me start with this. When you go on podcasts and you and you go around in life, does it ever get tiring? Everyone being like, there goes the smart guy. No, I mean, it's incorrect.

I always say to when I go to schools or something and talk that scientists are no smarter than anybody else. They're just people who got interested in nature and in the sort of big questions that we'll talk about. But it's no more difficult than learning to play guitar. Well, you don't expect. Also, you're an acclaimed musician who is in a band who has two albums. So, yeah, OK.

There is that. Yes, I did that. I was like, look at learning the musician, which I also do. Yeah, but you know, it's about practice, really. And it's about what you spend your time doing sports. You know, you don't suddenly become a great quarterback or whatever it is. You have to practice and it's just the same as that. It's just focused. I like that because I was listening to an interview you did

and you said something similar when someone was brought up like, oh, I've never was a good at it. Science and I count myself in that category like math and science were never my strong suits. And you said, well, that's I don't think people can't learn. It's just practice and it takes a little bit longer for some people, which is a good way to approach it because it does seem like at this point in our history and we don't need to get into, like, too deep.

But science has kind of been thrown out a little bit and people don't pay attention to it as much, which is strange because it's just the study of reality. Right. So it's scary, though, for a lot of people, because it is something they maybe don't understand at a deep level. I mean, that's where the interesting stuff lies. I mean, the the live shows that I'm doing, I start with just a quick tour of the universe.

And so I say, you know, this planet is one planet around one star amongst four hundred billion stars. So in our galaxy, the moment you said that four hundred billion stars, that's a challenge and nobody can visualize that. And then that galaxy is one galaxy amongst two trillion galaxies in the piece of the universe we can see. And we are very sure the universe extends way beyond that and could be infinite in extent.

And even that, we think that our universe might be one of an infinite number of universes in a so-called multiverse. OK. That is challenging. Yeah. Yes, it's very. No, that hurts my brain. My mind is rebelling against the words that you're saying right now because it's almost too big to comprehend. Do you have to like how can you even comprehend that?

Or at some point, it just becomes all theoretical and you have to like disassociate yourself from thinking about the reality of the fact that we are so infinitesimally small that like in your brain, actually understand how small we are. Or is it just like words that you say at this point? No, I don't think anyone can visualize even the four hundred billion stars. Right. The little bit, the little island that we live in, the Milky Way. Even that, it takes light one hundred and fifty thousand years to cross it.

Traveling 186,000 miles a second. You can just keep the I don't think anyone can visualize those numbers. But what you said, though, is really interesting that there's a difference between being able to visualize it and then getting annoyed because you can't make sense of it. Or you can try to understand what it means. It does it. You're right. It means that we are not at the center of the universe

and we are physically insignificant. That that that's a fact. But then you have to deal with that. Yeah. And that's the interesting bit, actually, isn't it? Is what you make of it. So how do you deal with it? I mean, right now I'm actually already considering a good comeback. I can have somebody call me short.

I'll be like, yeah, well, in the cosmic sense, you're very small, too. Yeah, exactly. So we're equally insignificant. Yeah. I think that the the other side of it is that if you ask questions about life in the universe and particularly complex life, intelligent life, things like other civilization, I think there's a good argument that there might be very few of those. And actually, there's a reasonable argument we might assume

there's about one per galaxy on average at any one time, which means that we are it. So interestingly, notwithstanding our physical insignificance, we might be tremendously valuable at the same time. So you're saying our narcissism is actually like well founded. It may well be. I mean, the astronomers have a name for it. They call it the Great Silence, which is that it seems surprising, given four hundred billion stars, most of them are planets.

So there'll be trillions of planets in the Milky Way. It's been around for pretty much the age of the universe that in billion years, you would expect there to be other civilizations way ahead of way ahead of us. And you kind of might just naively expect to be able to see them. But, you know, and then some people are watching this will go, well, yeah, we can't see them because they come down and right. You have circles, yeah, things, but given that given that we ignore that,

because because it's not true, right? Then, you know, the the scientific evidence is we haven't seen anyone. So that is a problem. Yeah, it's a challenge. Yeah. Yeah. Because a lot of people, I think the one of the biggest problems right now that we have as a society is a lot of people. They just question all science and facts because they think that everything is almost like a conspiracy theory against them.

How do you go against that? How do you go against the people right now that are basically saying, I don't need science. I can, you know, read a Facebook message and be like, I've done my own research. Well, they can. And then you asked them, how are you reading the Facebook message? Right. On what? Right. Right. On a device that's basically at the fundamental level based on quantum

mechanics, because there's silicon and things in there operating in a quantum manner. And so you're using, actually, well over a hundred years worth of scientific knowledge in order to read your Facebook. That's a good reply. Yeah. I mean, it's the same with people who say, I heard it once, someone tweeted, I don't need this GPS, the GPS satellites and all that things. Because I've got my iPhone. You know, well, you know how that map works.

Yeah, right. You know, but I think that's it's it's important. I mean, it's kind of it's kind of amusing, but it's important. My great hero, Carl Sagan, is one of my great heroes. And he wrote a book called The Demon Haunted World, which is a brilliant book, which was back in the 80s. He wrote it early nineties before a lot of this sort of tension. But he pointed out that we live in societies, whether we like it or not,

that are based on science, that it's one of the pillars of our society. And we all use it every day, medical science, and we go on aircraft and we have our iPhones and whatever it is. And we're also a democracy and if a large number of citizens not only don't really understand the basics of that foundation, but distrust it, that's a problem for democracy itself, as you kind of alluded to. If you have people who don't believe our best answer to a sensible question, like, for example, what will happen?

It's a good question. What will happen if we keep burning fossil fuels at the rate we do? Right. Is that that's a sensible question? Right. And well, the answer is it's very complicated. But given the best to the best of our ability, we use the models that we have and the measurements that we have. It looks like it will warm the climate up. Yeah, that's that's it.

Right. That's that's the best we can do, given that the question is sensible. If you have a load of people who don't believe even that opinion, that the scientific view at some time, then you're in trouble. You've seen it with the pandemic, if it's a public health crisis. And that was interesting because we saw science being done in real time. Right. So you go back to two and a half years. We didn't mean nothing about this virus. We didn't even know it probably didn't exist, actually, in humans.

If you go back three years. And so you saw us doing science and learning about it. And there are good questions. Is it airborne as it gets transmitted in droplets? Is it good to wear masks? How do we develop the vaccines and so on? All those things are just science scientific questions. Yeah, we're doing research in real time.

So if people don't understand just that process of how we acquire reliable knowledge. I think the process. Yeah, the process, I think, was a real issue because there were like people don't understand that science is trial and error or trial and error. So, you know, you hypothesize and then sometimes your hypothesis is proven correctly. Sometimes it's proven to be false. And some of the hypothesis that people had were proven to be false. And that's normal for a brand new virus for for something new

that we're exploring, that we're learning about. But people saw, you know, they saw those and they thought that they were failures of science or that they were, you know, proof that they were all the scientists are not to be trusted to begin with when actually what they're seeing is the scientific method playing out as it should in front of their eyes. But in real time, it can just like completely screw up your worldview. And you can point at that and be like, see, scientists are all wrong about it. Yeah, at the end of the day, people just want answers.

Yeah, to feel good about it. You know what I mean? Because I think that's the scary part that a lot of it's similar to what you said about the universe. Yeah, you start to think about it, you get scared. You're like, well, no, like it could be scary. That's a scary proposition. It's interesting to look back into the fifties.

There's Rob Oppenheimer, right? So Oppenheimer is most famous for their Manhattan project, the lead scientist on the Manhattan project. So he was in part, large part responsible for the atom bomb. And then he saw what had happened. And in the fifties, he thought really deeply about whether kind of to paraphrase him, whether the things that we know, our knowledge exceeds our wisdom. And he was very worried that he delivered knowledge to politicians

and to society, which could not be controlled. Right. And so he thought about, what is it? How can we use the thought processes that we're using science that nature forces on us, if we're going to understand it? How can we use that in wider society? And he came to the view that the really important thing is, is that acceptance that we don't know everything.

Once you accept that you don't know, that's the key. It's the key to it. And then, then you can make progress and you try to find out. And you're not annoyed if you're wrong, because once you've accepted you don't know, then you're going to be wrong about a lot of things. You're happy because you made, you now made a bit of progress and you understand something a bit better. So he felt that we need to, we can transfer that skill that we've developed

in trying to understand nature to the wider public sphere. It would be a tremendous, imagine, imagine a political world. Imagine politicians where the first thing they say is, well, we don't really know because it's really complicated. So the best guess we have at the moment, the best informed guess is to try this. And if that doesn't work, then we'll go, okay, that's good. Now we'll try this. Can you tell almost an imagine?

Yeah, no, you're absolutely right. And it taps into human nature of wanting to be comforted with the answers. And, you know, this is now getting even deeper, which is actually good because we don't usually have conversations like this. But a lot of the reason why religion is around, you know, is has been around for so long as people don't have the answers. And that's an answer, you know, of like, hey, there's heaven. There's a there's hell.

There's there's things that we can't explain are explained with religion. And so, like, people just genuinely, I think, wake up and just want to be told, hey, this is how it works, even though, like you said, we don't know. Yeah, well, exactly. I couldn't put it better myself. I mean, also one of Oppenheimer's colleagues, Richard Feynman, he's really, if you've never encountered him, he's got a series of books in there. There's one called Surely You Must Be Joking, Mr. Feynman.

He's an incredible character, won the Nobel Prize. Also famous playing bongo drums, incredible guy. And he wrote an essay, again, in the fifties, called The Value of Science. And in it, he said, science is a satisfactory philosophy of ignorance. That's all it is. So it's merely satisfactory, and it's a philosophy of ignorance. It's again, it's based on this idea that we start out knowing nothing. But if you apply that, you know, you say, you know, how do you answer people?

He said, I just don't believe this stuff. I don't believe the Big Bang and whatever, you know. And but the same process is going to design an aircraft, for example. So you very rarely get people on aircraft going sort of knocking on the door and saying, right, I am a member of a democratic society. I have a right to land this plane. Right, right. You know, I know you're an expert, you know, fair enough, Captain.

But my right, I know my rights. I'm going to land it. That doesn't happen. Yeah, yeah. So people are I'm going to design that nuclear power station. I don't think it should be done like that. So I think people do understand that there is such a thing as expertise. But you're right that it's some people find it difficult when the things we find out about nature run counter to their kind of expectations or desires or the things they want to believe in.

I mean, it is, you know, we don't even know the universe had a beginning in time. We know that it was very hot and very dense, 13.8 billion years ago, because we've measured it. But that and that's what we used to call the Big Bang, right? Hot, dense universe. But we strongly suspect the universe was around before that and may have been around forever. We actually begin to think now that time itself emerges from some deeper theory,

which we can talk about. That's a study of black holes is telling us that, which we can talk about later. But the point is that we went when you talk about, you know, if you dogmatically believe that you know how the universe began, we don't even know if it began. Yeah, that's the philosophy of ignorance. And that goes back to what I was saying. Way easier to just be like, God did it in six days.

Right. And then on the seventh day, he took a nap, ate a sandwich. And then you're supposed to chill out on Sunday. What do you mean, scientists? You don't know how it began. That that is for a lot of people discomforting. And I know I understand exactly what you're saying. It's it's a it's again, you've put us in a spot where I'm like trying to understand how time emerges.

That's the thing is like, you can talk about that. It's cool that you could be making all that up right now. And we'd just be like, wow, I always say that in a test. But what do you mean? Like what was there when you say we don't even know when time what was going on before time began? Wouldn't that be a time to? Well, that's a good point.

We really so that if I wind back a bit, we have a theory now called inflation, which is one of our best. There is a had the. But yeah, exactly. Yeah. And well, but it's worse than that. Because it so the idea is that before the universe was so undense, it was still around and it was expanding very quickly.

And so if you take two points in that universe, like say, just, you know, a centimeter apart, whatever it is, then the distance was doubling every in scientific language, 10 to the minus 37 seconds, which is not point, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. It's 37 zeros, one of a second. So it was doubling, doubling, doubling. So that's why it's called inflation. So it's worse than the current level.

And that carries on. It's like Carter. Yeah, yeah. This is like back in the 70s now. Yeah, I've tried this with gambling, too. If you just like bet twenty five dollars a blackjack hand, then fifty, then eventually you're going to win. It's an exponential.

Yeah, it's exponential expansion. And then that drew to a close and everything heated up and the energy that was driving that got dumped into the universe. And that's what we call the big bank. So that's called inflation. So we have that theory, but the study of black holes now, which really began with the simplest question. You didn't talk about, you said to me before, well, now, you know,

there might be some silly questions, no questions are silly. So Stephen Hawking asked what might sound like a silly question back in the 1970s, which is that if you throw something into a black hole, a book, something, anything, then what happens to the information in the book? Does it get destroyed? Does it get banished from the universe forever? Or does it somehow come out again? It comes out on a bookshelf in like the middle of Iowa.

What was that movie? Oh, Interstellar. Yeah, that's what we learned. That's not what we know that. Interstellar. Yeah. But actually, Kip Thorne, who co-wrote Interstellar, has got a Nobel Prize. He's one of the greatest living physicists. So actually, Interstellar has got really that. That was kind of a representation of these ideas.

But right ten years ago, we've made this huge progress now. And now we think that the information comes out again. Huh, which is the other side. It comes out that the black hole evaporates away. And that's what Hawking's great discovery, what's called Hawking radiation. So the black hole glows a bit. And so eventually over long times, very long times, it'll evaporate away. And it looks now that like the information of everything that fell in

is imprinted in that radiation that comes out. So if you jumped in, weirdly, from your perspective, you go to the end of time in the black hole. So the center of a black hole, the so-called singularity in the middle, is the end of time, which is a weird thing in itself. So you go to the end of time. So one way of thinking, why can't I get out of a black hole? Because you have to go to the end of time.

It's like saying, which direction should I run to escape tomorrow? Right. So if I say to you, I want you to run now away from tomorrow. Then you can't. It's the same. I just go back. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Back in time. Just keep going west.

It's not culturally. If I keep backpedaling away, then it's never going to actually confront. Go into the fifties. Where would I go? I'm not even going to say that. Yeah, just ban the forward pass. Yeah. That's what we do. But so the Chicago Bears go back in time every Sunday. They do. But yeah, go ahead.

So so that's from your perspective. That's what happens to you. You go to the time ends for you. But then you're the information that was you. The essence of you sort of comes out again, eventually, in principle, apparently. Well, according to the current research. So but what that's led us to do is suspect that there's there's a theory below this theory of space and time.

So really, you can think of building blocks of space and time. Atoms of time, if you like. We don't know what they are, but it looks like somehow this experiences space and time that we have emerges from a deeper theory. Is there anything that you'd like to discover? It's because you just mentioned that was it the Hawking effect or the Hawking? Yeah, Hawking radiation. Hawking radiation to get something named after you.

Must be pretty exciting. Do you have anything named after you? No, I was trying to think of a witty reply, but I can't even think of that. So the big bang, the big cocks. Yeah, well, exactly. There's a lot of potential there. Yeah, there is a really great ender. I mean, if you want to get kids' interest in science, having a name like before the big bang, it was actually the giant cocks.

Yeah, it people agree with it. Yeah, I should work harder just for that, just to give the Nobel Prize speech. Yeah, I think about that. I have named this theory. Now, is that a goal like Nobel Prize? That's something that, you know, we think of everything in in in sports terms, like, you know, the goal is to win the Super Bowl, the goal is to win the Stanley Cup. Do scientists, even though we know that scientists

get into, you know, their profession for different reasons, but is there ever a point where like, yeah, the goal is to to get the Nobel Prize? I think so. Yeah, I mean, they all deny it. Right. Everybody gets Nobel Prize says, well, that's nice, but I didn't do it for that reason. But it is, you're right. It is the highest possible accolade that you can get. And, you know, I've I've been lucky to meet a few Nobel Prize winners,

but they all say that I did it for the for the love of knowledge. So we but then I think they're quite pleased. Yeah, right. And we could again, because we're a sports podcast, we could be like Brian Cox, choke artist, hasn't won a Nobel Prize. Like you haven't won a rake. No, I so you got to do it eventually to submit your legacy. Yeah. Well, I think it's hard. I mean, even Stephen Hawking didn't.

I think he should have done. Oh, he never won one? He's like the dandruff of scientists. Yeah. What the hell? Who's the goat? Is like the greatest of all time. Would you say is it Einstein or is that just kind of a basic answer? I I mean, there are a few.

I mean, you know, there's only one guy. I actually I think it's doing this. We always, by the way, we get in whenever we have anyone on the show that is in any, you know, we just had a tennis pro on last week. Like we always just distill every conversation to like just tell us who the goat is. And then we can argue about whether or not your goat is my goat. And then it just becomes an endless cycle of feedback. I think it's Isaac Newton. I think Newton's got to be the goat.

I'm a go with Einstein. You know, even though he married his cousin, which is like, what? Isaac Newton never married at all. He was tied to Virgin. There we go. You you might both be right. OK. No, no, no, no, no. You don't get to go. Newton was I mean, Newton was that. So his theory of gravity, it was the first time that anyone had taken a theory

of a little mathematical description of how things move around here. You know, just throw a tennis ball in the air or something and it goes in this path. So and then extend it to the whole universe. So it's well, the moon, the moon behaves in the same way and the earth goes around the sun in the same way. That's a huge leap. So he was a genius. But Einstein, you're right. I mean, that this is his idea that space and time emerge together.

And then his theory of gravity, his new theory of gravity, which replaces Newton's and is better than its general relativity, is is is is still the state of the art today. So you're right, that they're both. But there's a guy called if you go, the thing is Newton had this store, this phrase, but I think he's correct. It's not apocryphal. He said he was standing on the shoulders of giants.

And one of the reasons he said that is because his great rival, Huck, was about four feet high and he was a little good short guy. And he hated him. So one of the reasons he said that is because of Huck. But he's right. He did mean it as well, which is that there was Galileo before him. And there's there's a Kepler, Kepler, you might not have heard of, but Kepler wrote a book,

which is a brilliant book called The Six Corned Snowflake, which is this beautiful 1619, I think it was. And he got interested in a snowflake that landed on his arm when he was walking across a bridge in Prague, going to his benefactors party. And he realized that he hadn't bought him a present. And it was a bad move, you know, back in 1619 to buy the rich guy that was funding you and didn't buy me a present. So he wrote this book saying I brought you the gift of something

that's almost nothing, but is, in fact, everything. And he talks about the structure of a snowflake. And he thought, why are they all sort of six sided? What is it? They all look the same, but they're all different. So what is the reason they all look the same? And then he started thinking, well, maybe it's something to do with the building blocks of the snowflake. And he's right. It's water molecules, but he had no idea in 1619.

But when you read his book, even now, you see a genius at work. And so these people, that are all of this list, they're all brilliant without a doubt. So that's why I'm not going for this single. Yeah, I guess they all do build on each other. That's true. It's like, you don't need to go. You're saying that like Newton is, Newton is Bob Coosie. Yeah. And then Einstein is Chris Paul.

Yeah. Kind of like that. One wouldn't exist without the other. Yeah. You got a whole team of them. Yeah. Yeah. Who's the best athlete of all the scientists? The best athlete. Is it Neil Tyson? Wasn't he? Didn't it? Wasn't he a kind of semi? Yeah. Is there one? I think I could take him though.

Yeah. You take Neil? Yeah, I think so. I think. I think. Yeah. What's your martial art of choice? I box. So I reckon I could. I reckon I could rough and rowdy. Who's your golden boxing? Is it Ali? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you have to say, yeah. When you're just watching the just the speed and scale and arrogance,

which I love, we should get you. We should get you boxing and rough and rowdy. So we have a boxing league that's amateur, just random guys, three rounds, one, one minute rounds. Billy actually fought Jose Canseco. Another mental titan. Yeah, true mental titans. That would be quite something if, you know,

one of the smartest guys in the world fought in rough and rowdy. Yeah, I'll have to go with that. It's probably where head gear, though. Yeah. Gotta protect the brain. Yes. I've got kind of an unusual question. If if we did discover carbon based life and intelligent life on another planet and let's just say they came to Earth and you were put into a room

with an alien from the other planet that had your exact same job and background. But on this alien planet, so there were scientists, they studied astrophysics. How would you begin to communicate with that alien life form to let them know, here's my knowledge base. I am also a scientist, but here on Earth. There are there are properties of the universe

that are, you know, completely universal. Like the like the, for example, the wavelength of light that gets emitted from hydrogen atoms is a famous one. So it's something that hydrogen atoms do that they do everywhere in the universe. They're all the same. And the wavelength of light is 21 centimetres. So it's that long.

So you can start by saying, look, this this is a universal length. It doesn't matter what you call it. We've got centimetres or inches or whatever. One cox. But one cox. Yeah, that's it. So that's it. Yeah, he just expanded the universe out there. So you so you can you can do you can you can talk in terms

of these fundamental universal properties. Speed of light is another one. No matter how you measure your distance and time, you will you will know that there is this constant speed that that's always measured to be the same. So there you use the universal properties of the universe. So you take it if you had a piece of paper and a pencil and you were told, OK, demonstrate that to this alien,

you would draw like a 21 centimetre line. Yeah, it's like a baseline. It was done so this in the I think it was in the 60s. So a message was sent out from the Arecibo Telescope in in Puerto Rico, which is which is actually just recently sort of collapsed actually under iconic telescopes. But it's gone now, sadly. But Frank Drake was the astronomer who did it.

And they had to think about that because they wanted to send a message out into the universe that could be decoded. And they did use the hydrogen. It's called the hydrogen line, the 21 centimetres, because once you've established a length and you need a time scale so you can a lot of well, a lot of atoms sort of vibrate in a particular way. And so they have a particularly light little clocks. And so you can say, well, you can have a picture of one of those and say,

here's our clock. So here's our time and here's our distance. And once you've got that, you can build up everything else. They did it on Voyager, the Voyager space probe. They sent it out with a message to anyone that found it. Is this the one that had the Beatles record on it? It did. Well, no, it didn't have George Harrison on it because apparently his publisher wouldn't give them the rights. Oh, that's funny. And he was very angry when he found that.

But Chuck Berry's on it. There's OK. That's a good one. But that's a drink on it. It was in the 70s. So it was vinyl. Right. It was actually gold, I think, but it was it was basically a vinyl record. So they had to send out the instructions to build a record player in order to play the record. And they had to do all this.

So we ended up with the 21 centimetre hydrogen line you play at this speed, 33 and a third half a m or whatever it is. So we sent a bunch of aliens in Ikea box. That's terrible. What the fuck? It's the instructions, the stylus and everything because you've got to show them how to decode the message on it. And then they thought, you know, what are we going to put on it?

And so Chuck Berry got on it. There's some bark, some classical music and some pictures of images of Earth they were seen online, actually, because they're bizarre and Carl Sagan had a lot to do with it. And his wife, Andrea, thought about what to put on there. What can we send out? What would the image of Earth that we would like to present to the air? I have a responsibility to think about like the game of the year.

It's up to you. But yeah, what are aliens going to know about planet Earth? Yeah. Yeah. I don't even know how I'd begin to even like that's the way to that decision. We'd be pretty happy. Yeah. There's a picture on there, actually. If you look online, there's one and it's inexplicable to me. And it's a guy with some other people, three of them,

and he's drinking wine out of what looks like a flower vase. So he's like, drink like that. It's like it's a huge thing. And he sat there drinking red wine out of it and they sent that. So there's some really. White and short. Yeah, that would be great. We're going to get back to Brian Cox in a second before we do.

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And now here's more Brian Cox. Another dumb question. And this is just a basic question. How many years of school did you do? Total? Well, I actually left school 18 and became a musician for five years and went back to to university at 23. Wow. And I've kind of been there ever since, basically.

OK. But yeah, I had five years off and then you you I mean, your band was a good band that had, you know, real albums. So what was your decision like? Hey, maybe this isn't for me. I would imagine you're the only person in the entire world to leave a rock band to go to back to college for physics. Almost. But Brian May as well, almost.

However, he'd had more slightly more success than me by the time he went back. Yeah, he'd also probably done slightly more cocaine. Yes, I would assume. Yeah. So what like, why did you decide to do that? Because that's a very interesting life choice. Well, yeah, I mean, we we toured for five years and we ended. I mean, we had a fight, actually. The band had a fight and sort of split up, although it's actually still together.

In fact, they're still making music now, but we kind of had a split at the time. Einstein or Newton, you guys are getting. It was a big one. Yeah. And I was going Kepler. But yeah, but I'd got a bit sick of it. It was, you know, it's hard work being in a band. And we were one of those working bands, although we did the first band.

The first professional gig I played was supporting Jimmy Page. Oh, wow. So it was quite when I was 18. So it was quite a sort of introduction. And then Gary Moore and then a band called Europe. I don't even remember Europe, which is a bit different to Jimmy Page, but they we toured for three months with them. So it was hard work.

And then and so I just got sick of it, basically. And then we had a fight. I like how you're like, it's hard work. And then I became a world-renowned physicist. Well, that wasn't well, you know, extremely hard work at the time. Yeah. But there's a story about Einstein, where he used to he gave a talk in a school and he said to them, the first thing he said to them, when I when I was your age, I was no Einstein, which was a great thing to say.

Yeah. Yeah. That's true. Yeah. Here's another dumb question. We've been actually debating this. This will give you a nice little baseline about the level of intelligence of our podcast. We've been discussing this for six years. We still haven't got to the bottom of it. If the sun is hot, why is outer space cold? Well, you have to understand what hot is, what temperature is.

And it's not a dumb question. It's a really good question. It took people hundreds of years to work out what temperature is. And then it's only the 20th century, really, that everybody agrees that everything's made of atoms. That's that's astonishingly. Einstein wrote a paper in 1905, which was proving or trying to really give good evidence for the fact that everything's made of atoms.

So it's quite recent. But temperature is in one way of thinking about it is a measure of how fast these things are moving around these little components for these little atoms. How fast are they jiggling? Higher temperature, they're moving around faster. So that's one way of thinking about it. There are other ways. But and so in space, in a vacuum, if it's a perfect vacuum, there's no

temperature at all, because there's nothing there. Right. So that's that's one way to think about temperature heated up around you. Yes. So, I mean, the way that we feel heat. So why is it hot? Why do you feel hot? It's because things are bumping into your skin. So that they're either the molecules of the air or it can be light, right? That's hitting you.

But it's something is hitting you. And that's that's what that's what you feel as temperature. So if you're in outer space and you take your let's say you cut your sleeves off, but you've got the rest of the space space you're on. Will you get a sun tan or a sunburn from the radiation? Well, yeah, if you were close to the sun, you so wouldn't that you would feel hot? Yeah, but you'd it's about the amount of ultimately the amount of energy that hits you. So you'd need to be pretty close to the sun.

Because we have a spacecraft now that's quite close there. How close? Well, that's a good question, because I realized when I said that. Yeah, I don't actually know what the number is, but it's called the Parker Solar Probe. And that's orbiting around there and it comes in very close. It actually goes into the solar atmosphere. Wow. So so it's these are really good questions about temperature and energy and

and ultimately to damage you, it's about energy, it's how much energy hits you. And so if you're in a vacuum, then you write all you've got when you're close to the sun is the light, which is not the same as being immersed in a bath of water at 100 degrees sea or something like that, because there's more energy hitting you then and and damaging you. So it's they're all that they're it's called the science of thermodynamics. This and it's a really good question because I think it's actually I'm writing a book at the moment on black holes. And there's a lot of this thermodynamics in it. And and actually I realized that I all the way through being at university and all that stuff,

I hadn't really understood it properly by by trying to write a book on it. So it's actually it took people this great. There's another guy Boltzmann. There's a list of great names in physics who thought about just what is temperature, what is energy, what is something called entropy, which is the way everything's arranged. And so there's a really good question. We we started to question it because I stumbled my way on to a conspiracy theory that the sun was actually cold.

And there's a community of people out there that believe that yeah, that the sun is cold, which is why when you go up in to the top of a mountain, you get colder than you do. Yeah, it's just because he asked it. So given what I said, it's just broadly speaking. If you think even if the air is the same, even if the average energy of the molecules is about the same, yeah, there's not as many of them. I was I was so intrigued by this community of people that believe that the sun was cold

because it seems like the most possible incorrect hypothesis that you can possibly have. And then they're going out of their way to like backfill all the information about why it's actually true. It's just fascinating to watch the human mind twist itself into a pretzel to the point where they actually think it's like the sun is cold. Yeah, it's like the conspiracy theory. Birds aren't real. It's the most wrong you can be about anything.

Yeah, I think yeah, there's one that the birds are just robots planted by the government. Does this stuff when you hear that stuff, do you like do you get disgusted? Are you like, oh, my God, we're so screwed. There are actually people who are like birds aren't real. Yeah, well, if there was enough of them, then yeah, I'd be really worried. There's only five of them. Yeah, yeah, no, I mean, it might be more soon. I think that one was actually started somewhat satirically.

Yeah, to point out like the people that actually believe people actually start believing people believe the sun. Well, the sun one is a real. That's a real one. And then there's also one that Finland doesn't exist. I'm really into that one at the moment. They think it's just it's a big, big far set up by the Russian government to ensure fishing rights off the coast of Norway.

So that's what I always think. I always think, you know, mainly conspiracy theories, other than being nonsense, they fall down sometimes on the motivation. I mean, it's like, why would you spend, you know, presumably hundreds of years inventing a great fallacy about a country that doesn't actually exist just so that you can get more fish? Why don't you just go and get more fish? Just build some more fishing boats.

Does it frustrate you, though, on conspiracy theories? Because, you know, we had one of the weirder moments with the Will Smith, Chris Rock thing, and there were people who were convinced that it was fake, even though we watch it with our own two eyes and it was set up and all these things. And it someone said something that like it made so much sense to me. We're like, the best thing about conspiracy theories is the conspiracy theorists always put the onus on other people to prove it, to prove that like what they're saying is wrong.

They never actually give like real facts as to why they're right. Does that bother you when you hear that? When it's like you, you basically get challenged in every second and no one is really actually presenting any evidence on the other side. They're just challenging you. Yeah, I mean, it becomes a problem. It's not a problem. I mean, if you've got a few people who think that the sun is cold,

doesn't really matter, does it? But it does matter if there are enough of them and they as we talked about earlier and they stop trusting anything. Right. Because because you have to have an accepted sort of base level of knowledge about the world in a democracy. Otherwise, people will vote for ridiculous things. Right. And that's bad for everybody.

So then it then it worries me. Yeah. And I think the answer is the answer ultimately has to be education, doesn't it? It's not that people should know how old the universe is or how many stars around a galaxy just doesn't matter, right? But what matters is that people have a basic understanding of how we acquire reliable knowledge and what that means. What what is it? What do I mean by reliable knowledge? I mean, as you said, I mean that we understand

that if you if you're putting carbon dioxide into the atmosphere in large in large amounts, then it will increase the average temperature of the earth. It's just that's just reliable knowledge. It's been known for hundreds of years. It's not a conspiracy. It's the way that nature works. You can see why from the the chat we've had about temperature. It's really it's about trapping energy.

It's a really simple idea, really. It's just that CO2 traps, absorbs what's called infrared radiation, which is the heat radiation that comes from the surface of the earth. So it absorbs it. The visible light comes through it. Visible light doesn't bother it, but visible light comes and hits the ground, heats it up and it's the heat that gets trapped. And that's it.

That's been known. I can't remember when it was 1700. I think 1800 certainly. So it's just basic stuff. Right. But but if people start to mistrust that and then confuse it with politics, which is a whole different thing. Yeah, it's really complicated. It politics is the idea that people have different views of how we should run countries.

And that's perfectly right, because it's really hard to run a country. We don't know how to do it. Actually, Feynman Feynman, again, in that essay I mentioned earlier, said that democracy is a great example of the scientific method in action. Because in order to have a democracy, you have to realize that we don't know how to run a society. So you change it every four years. Yeah. And it's actually the fact that we change it

that tells us that we are free. It's the guarantee the guarantor of our freedom is that you sit there and watch your country. And sometimes it swings away from you and it does things that you don't like. And sometimes it swings towards you and it does things that you do. Once that pendulum, the moment that pendulum stops swinging, so you always agree with the government, for example, or always disagree, then you know that you are not in a free society anymore.

So you're supposed to celebrate the fact that society is very complicated. There are lots of people with different views. And so it's understanding those things are the things that really matter. I like that. That's a good way of saying like, yeah, we like instead of just shouting down people who disagree with you, like that's it's the scientific process at work. Conflict is good. Yeah. Unless they're saying the sun's cold.

Yeah. Yeah. Well, you just go right. One thing that's intrigued me is I was reading about ancient Greece a while ago, and they had this process for choosing their leaders called sortition, which would be they would put everybody's name in a hat and then they would draw a name out of the hat every five, six years. And then that person completely at random would run the entire city state. And that sounds insane, especially when you like look around any given room

that you're in, you're like, oh, my God, that guy could be our leader. But the theory behind it was that it would ensure that education was extremely high because any one of these clowns could end up becoming your leader and in charge of your life in the future. That to me just seems it seems like the ultimate chaotic move. But I understand the process because right now I don't I feel like education, at least in the United States, has taken a big back seat in the last 20, 30 years.

Seems like everyone's like owned pet projects and in fighting at the local level has really overtaken the importance on education. I couldn't agree more. And it's quite, you know, you have to ask whether that would produce worse leadership than we have at the moment. I'm not actually sure it would, you know, just the random choice of people. I mean, it's an old, an old truth, isn't it? In a way that anyone who thinks that they want to run a country probably shouldn't.

Yes, I agree. I agree. I've been saying that for years. Like anybody that wants to be president immediately, I do not trust you. Correct. If you grew up wanting to be president, who you just want to grow up to rule everybody. Yeah, that's a red flag. It should be somebody completely random who is afraid of having all the responsibility and is just like completely.

They think that they're in over their heads, as opposed to somebody that possibly thinks to themselves that, yes, I can manage. I know the answers. Yeah. Well, yeah. I mean, what would what would you do? All right, you know, I don't know how to run a country. So what I think my response would be, well, I better get some people who know about things and listen to them and try to sort of work out the best way of doing

this. You're probably right. That's probably what a normal person would do, rather than say, I know. I would do that. I would do that short story, The Lottery, where they where they pick a name every year and they stone them to death. I'd do that because I would just be thrilling. Yeah, I would not be thrilling. I would. I would also add on.

My first thing would be like, I got to get these people to like me. So every Friday, we're doing pizza Fridays. Yep. Every pizza place. Yeah, Jeans Friday and Pizza Fridays. Every place in America just they have free pizza. If you just walk in, you get a free slice and then Sunday Sundays, where everybody eats ice cream on Sundays for free and no taxes and no taxes. But no, but you don't need to because they don't need to like you

because they don't vote for you. That's a good point. So yeah, but I would I would feel like they would they don't vote. But everyone wants to be like, but I feel like in sortition in that process, there's a high probability of an angry mob coming at you with pitchforks. You know, like I feel like most of those people didn't really last the five year. All right. So your policy choices would become a kind of self defense.

Yes. Yes. Make everybody like me, please. Don't kill me. So based on this discussion, have you have you had like what's the most spirited debate you've had with another scientist? Does it ever get very heated, disagreeing on things? Yeah, all the time, because that's the process, because science, if you think about what research is, it's about operating at the edge of knowledge.

It's about it's about not being afraid of the unknown. Yeah. It's about standing on the edge of the known and peering out into the unknown with with excitement and delight, not with fear. So you're interested in being on the edge of the known. So when you're there, then everybody that's standing there on that boundary with you probably has a slightly different view of what you're going to find, because you don't know.

And that's how it works. Yeah. So it's about robust. There's robust debate, but and I think this is true. Well, it's certainly true for me. If my theory of what was going to happen turns out to be wrong, then I'm I am actually genuinely happy because I learned something because you're in it.

You're in it to know more about nature. You're not in it to be seen to be right. See, this is foreign to like I would be so pissed if I if I had a theory and I presented it and it was just wrong. I'd be like, fuck all these people. I suppose if you do, I suppose if you do it all the time, then you might lose your job. Yeah, is there anyone who's just been wrong like the worst picker of science? But my most there's a thing in science called cited citations, right?

It's how many people refer to your papers and use it in their research. And my most cited paper is about physics at the large Adron Collider in Geneva without a Higgs boson. So I wrote it before the Higgs particle was discovered. You predicted you said one day there will be a Higgs boson. No, it was the opposite. We said, what would it look like if there wasn't one? And so we were we were wrong, right?

There is one. So it got discovered. So you might think, well, that was useless. But actually, it's my most cited paper because we developed some techniques in it that were useful to people and they still use them. So it was a successful paper, even though the premise turned out to be wrong. Nonsense, there is a Higgs boson. So it doesn't matter.

So can you explain the Adron Collider real quick in layman's terms? Because I remember I just remember seeing a picture of like what looked like an MRI machine on steroids and everyone's like, this is going to blow up the world. Yeah, well, that was nonsense. Did it blow up the world? You don't know, like what if this is we're at the end of time right now having this conversation? Are you finding yourself learning something from us? Because we're kind of presenting what I would say the I'd say we're we're smarter

than the average bear, but we're very far away from like learning. I don't think you thought that. I mean, so the LHC, I mean, yeah, you pause there because you definitely like these guys might have actually thought it was going to say because it's quite a small thing in terms of the world, right? It's a little thing. It's about 20 to 16 miles in circumference. But you remember those articles, they're like, this is going to blow up the world.

Yeah, and actually, though, so if you follow it through, so what we do, well, what it does is it's a big sort of circle, basically 16 miles. And we accelerate particles around it until they're going very fast. Ninety nine point nine, nine, nine, nine, nine, nine percent, the speed of light. So they go around 11, they go around seven, I forgot the number now because I would do 11,000 times a second. I think they go around the whole thing and then we collide them together. And the reason we do that is we want to create really high energies in a very

small space, because if you go back towards a big bang, then that we had really high energies. So we really recreate in the conditions that were present close to the big bang to see how the universe works in those early times. That's one way of thinking about it. But actually, the the energies that we collide things at are way lower than the energies that we experience every day in things called cosmic ray collisions. So there are particles coming in from the universe with energies, 100,000, 10,000, way, way in excess of those energies, hitting the earth all the time.

And they don't do anything, right? They don't destroy the planet. They don't cause anything strange to happen. It just doesn't happen. So we did check that. You know, so you actually did, like, like, hey, well, it doesn't take you long. But you realize that the energies that we can create in our little machine are routinely created and exceeded by the universe.

And you can have a look into the universe and you see that the universe is not somehow unstable and strange things happen at those kind of energies. We know that. So that's the answer. So that's what you did when you find out. Yeah, so the answer is, you know, insane if they got a sense that doing this experiment may cause a giant explosion or destroy everything that we know. Yeah, then you would notice you wouldn't do it. Right, right.

So so I mean, the energy, actually, the energy is it's it's like a mosquito just hitting you in the face. It's a tiny amount of energy, actually, because these are really tiny particles that we're colliding together. It's just that in this subatomic piece of space inside these giant detectors that we have, we create these conditions that are really violent. But it's in a tiny, tiny amount of space. The total energy is quite an amazing figure.

The so the beams of particles are smaller than an hair than a human hair rights and down is when we focus them down to collide them. And they carry the energy of an aircraft carrier traveling at about 40 miles an hour or something like that. Wow. So they're incredible energies, but in tiny, tiny spaces. And even then an aircraft carrier going at 40 miles an hour, that doesn't you can drive that into a wall and it doesn't destroy the world. Right. It's not that much energy in itself.

Yes. So what was the big takeaway from from that entire experiment? Well, it's still running. So we're learning more and more about the way the world got it. Nice. We did discover the Higgs particle. OK, you found God. What is that? The God particle, it got called. But it was so it's it was an idea theory from the 1960s. The way things get mass, right?

So if you think about the the subatomic particles in your hand, like an electron in your finger, the way that gets mass in this theory is by interacting with this kind of stuff that permeates the universe, which is called the Higgs field. So it's literally like pulling something through treacle. That's the right word, isn't it? In the US, is it treacle, syrup, whatever you call it? Gold syrup. Yeah.

So it's like if you pull something through treacle, through syrup, then it's hard to pull, right? It's got kind of inertia because it's going through this stuff. That's the way that fundamentally we think that things get mass. And so ultimately, the reason why we exist, right? Because if everything, nothing had mass, we wouldn't exist. Right. So it's a fundamental theory about the way subatomic particles behave in the 60s, develop mathematically.

And ultimately, we discovered the Higgs particles, which are the the things that make this whole thing go. Interesting. Wow. It was the universe and so it was a remarkable discovery. And that was one of the reasons it was built. I've got a kind of a theoretical question for you. Do you think, given your background in studying physics and particles and how everything was set into motion billions and billions of years ago,

does luck exist? Well, it's again, it's a brilliant question because there are properties of our universe, like the strength of gravity, for example, that just seem to be the way the universe is. And if you change them a bit, then you end up with no stars or no galaxies or certainly no life. And so it's a good question.

It's like, well, what does that say about our universe and the way it's configured? There are theories that say there are actually a lot of universes. So there are actually billions, trillions of universes, always slightly different values of all these things like the strength of gravity. And so we are then, in a sense, lucky, but we the better way to say it would be we live in the universe that allows us to exist, right? But but there is a sense of luck in that they all vary.

So every possible combination is realized. That's called the multi price. So if every if every particle that we know was expanding, you know, beyond the speed of light, then everything that has been set in motion since that point was already determined from the energy that was used at the start of our known universe. And so do you really even have free will or are the molecules in my brain that are firing just a result of everything

that's already happened in a predetermined path before me? Well, this is an even better question because so one of the big problems with with black holes was that initially we thought that they destroyed information. If they destroy information, then what you said is called determinism doesn't apply because what determinism is, which is what you said is if you knew everything about everything, everything, the way everything was moving around at some point in time, then you can predict what it's going to do in the future

and predict what it was doing in the past. And that's what the laws of nature are like. But then if you have these things in the universe that destroy information, then you can no longer do that. So so for a long time, it was thought that black holes were destroying the foundation of science in some sense, because they were they were stopping that from being true. Actually, now, as of the last couple of years,

we think we have a really good understanding of the fact that they don't do that. Remarkably, even though they're things from which nothing can escape, it seems that ultimately over a long period of time, all the information does come out again. And that's so determinism is can find that that giant road map out there. In principle, in principle, if you had if you were able to establish determinism and see all the information possible, you could know whether or not you should hit on 16.

Yeah, blackjack. Got it. Yeah, in principle, it's very much in principle. Yeah, right. Not in practice. We've got no chance. So right. So along those same lines, like, you know, you study quantum physics, quantum computing is something that I've heard about a lot recently, mostly in kind of a fearmongering way, where it's like quantum computer computers will get so strong that eventually the artificial intelligence

that they'll produce will be able. They'll try to destroy itself. They'll try to destroy everything that we know. Is that something that you ever like wake up at night in a cold sweat thinking about like, oh, no, quantum quantum computing has gone too far. Well, I mean, it certainly hasn't yet because they're really primitive quantum computers that we've got at the moment. But they're really interesting and actually not to keep you

talking about black holes, but the the same ideas that we're understanding how the information gets out of black holes are very similar to the ideas we're using quantum computing. And in some sense, the universe is beginning to look like a giant quantum computer, right, in the way that it works. That is not to say that we live in a simulation. That's my next question. So yeah, it really isn't because we just don't know enough.

And it's just to me, it's just an irrelevant question. But what is interesting is that the the the physics has become about information in the in the 21st century. And so it really is the case that the this I'll give you this example, which no one really understands yet, because this is 2020-2021 physics, right? But you might say, well, in that Hawking radiation that comes off the black hole and carries this information, how does it carry the information?

And what we've learned from black holes is that it's called the holographic principle, right, which is so this room now, in a sense, it seems that everything that's going on in the room can be perfectly represented by a quantum theory that lives on the walls. So the universe appears to be, in some sense, a hologram, right? It's called it's got a fancy name. It's called the ADS CFT correspondence. You can look up online.

But basically, we've discovered that you can you can characterize everything that's going on in a region of space by a theory that just lives on the edge. And that and that the the coding between the two, the dictionary, as people call it, looks very much like the coding you have to use in quantum computers to write quantum algorithms and to do error correction in the memory of quantum computers and stuff like that. So it's interesting that seems to this is the lower level I was talking about of space and time, because space and time don't exist in the theory on the walls.

The interior. For being not a simulation guy, you sound a lot like a simulation guy. They go too far because I've read, you know, I read this article in Wired, I think the other month that said this, someone sent it to me on Twitter, where someone was just claiming this kind of discovery is suggesting we live in a simulation. The answer is we don't really know what's going on at the moment. It's really cutting edge physics. It is interesting that there's a way of describing the way the universe works,

using information theory rather than what we call forces and normal physics. But that's all it is. It's really interesting. We don't really understand what's going on at the moment. And then I tend to stop at that point. My instinct is to go, we, by we, I mean, the greatest physicists in the world don't really have a picture of this. It's interesting stuff. And then you just put a stop.

You go, all right, stop now. So I'm not going to go, therefore, there's a teenager in an extra dimension with a really powerful computer who's coded us all in and we're version 18,000.6 of the Sims. That seems to me to be quite a leap. Right, right, right. Right, that's true. The smarter somebody is, the more likely they are to say, like, I don't get it. I don't know. I don't know.

It's like saying, are we alone in the universe? You know, are we alone in the Milky Way at the moment? We don't know. That's why we've got a rover on the surface of Mars, as we speak, taking samples in an ancient river delta. It's called the Perseverance rover. It's going to send the samples back and we're going to analyze them. And the reason we're doing that is because we don't know whether there's life on Mars or not.

So that's it for the moment. Yeah, I mean, this stuff is fascinating to me. So you got to go in a second. I have one last question, but I do have to say, I read an article where you were quoted as saying you were in a meeting once. It might have been with politicians. I don't know. But you basically left the meeting and you said that they didn't like you

because you were intellectually aggressive. Yeah, I just thought that was like the funniest way to put that. Like, I was just too smart and they just didn't want to hear it. I heard that. Intellectually aggressive. I wasn't. All I'd said is like, you know, you're trying to fight, bro.

You're trying to fight. All I'd said is they probably asked something and I just said, well, no. Yeah, right. Yeah, we said it. The sun cold. No, it isn't. Yeah, right. It's like, oh, no, what do you want to take this outside?

It's like what some people think it is. Okay. I don't care. Intellectually aggressive. Intellectually aggressive. At the edge of knowledge. Yes, that's great. I guess you might be in a scientist sound pretty fucking metal.

Yeah, I liked it. I just I saw the quote and I was like, oh, that's fucking awesome. But yeah, my last question. So it's the Roback question. Take 20% off your first purchase. R-H-O-B-A-C-K dot com. Use code take for 20% off your first purchase. Go to Roback.

Great Q zips, hoodies. We have one for you if you want to wear it. Great gear. So you have to go in a few minutes, but Billy, who's been sitting here and been doing a great job of being quiet because he want I could see his face. He wanted to hop in many times, but now this is the Roback question is essentially

Billy in we have like six, seven more minutes. It's your the floor is yours. This is really a meeting between two intellectual titans because every time we talk about conspiracy theories, we're we're literally talking about him. We've already agreed. My question is sorry if I mispronounce some of these words. I've only read them.

I had a lot of questions about the Hadron Collider and the CERN Center, and we covered a lot of that earlier. But I got to ask, what was up with that hoax video that came out in 2016? Do you know what I'm talking about? Which one? There was a video that was claimed to be from the CERN Center with a statue of Shiva.

There is a statue of Shiva there. Yeah, and with a bunch of people crowding around in robes. And apparently some of the scientists there did a prank on everyone who thought it was conspiracy by like staging like a weird ritual before. Do you know anything about this? I didn't know, but it sounds quite plausible because we like, you know, in English,

in the UK, we say in English. I know you speak English. In the UK, we say taking the piss, right? So scientists like to take the piss. So that was just like a retroling. I wouldn't be surprised. That was like Monty Python, like British humor, right? I think, you know, I'm going to tell you a story.

I know we only have seven minutes left, but my Python story is that Eric Hyde, when they did the live shows in London, Eric Hyde called me and said, do you know Stephen Hawking? And I said, yeah, I sort of know Stephen a bit. And he said, will you invite him to do a sketch? And so I sent him an email and Stephen responded really quickly

and said, yeah. And the sketch was that I, because I'd been arguing with Eric about the galaxy song, which I said was inaccurate because it's got all sorts of numbers in it, which we've now shown to be, we've got better numbers, right? So I said, the galaxy song is all wrong. And so I was explaining this on the banks of the river. And then, so we went down to Stephen's office

and we talked to him all day. And the idea was I'd be saying after the galaxy song, in the live shows, I'd be saying, well, it's just wrong. It's nonsense. It's just, you should know, the earth doesn't orbit the sun in a circle. It goes in an ellipse and all these things. And as I'm saying that, Stephen comes flying up in his wheelchair

and knocks me to the ground and says, I think you're being pedantic. And then he starts singing the galaxy song. So we did it. So we filmed it and did the whole thing for the Monty Python live. And then at the end, I was leaving after the whole day with Stephen Hawking and Eric said to me,

we kind of wasted that, didn't we? Because we just spent the whole day messing about. We didn't ask him anything about, you know, the cosmos of the universe, a whole day. And we just did a silly sketch. And it was the most Python-esque thing you can possibly imagine doing, wasting your whole day alone with Stephen Hawking,

just to get him to knock me over and say one line. I love it. That's awesome. All right, you got one more? When you were talking about information being lost in the black hole, were you saying like, even though the book contains information, like you may read a book and know a story or know a concept,

are you saying that when the book goes in the black hole, that concept that we experience in our brains then goes into the black hole with it? No, you're just saying that. So if you burn a book, then in principle, it goes back to what you said about determinism, then you could, if you collect everything that came off, all the ashes and all the gas and everything,

if you could measure it all perfectly, then you could reconstruct the book. So you reconstruct, literally reconstruct the information in the book. And it seems now that's what happens in black holes. So you throw the book in, and then at some point in the distant future, you could collect all the Hawking radiation

that comes off and reconstruct the book. That was like, that was a great way of explaining it because now I totally understand what you're saying. Yeah, so the information is in the information of the construct, not like actual information? Well, it is everything. I mean, it is everything. So if you went into the black hole,

then it would be that if you, some sufficiently clever super advanced civilization, if they could collect all the Hawking radiation and put it into some quantum computer, would actually reconstruct you. I mean, it's that. It's such a blover for the aliens. If they're like, let's reconstruct this radiation,

then just Billy showed up. Have we ordered dinner yet? Yeah, it's just sort of a billion year project that they've done for all their effort into it and built the quantum computer. Yeah, like, oh, it's this guy? Oh, man. Well, we appreciate it so much, Brian.

This has been awesome. You're welcome back anytime. Anytime you're around or want to come on because this has been truly like something totally different, a lot of fun. I've got a million more questions I could ask you right now. So you're always welcome back on. I'll come straight back.

I did it some on the other week, actually. I'll tell you what, I'm going to name drop. I'm going to name drop. It was Conan, right? And I was at a party a few months ago and he was there and he said that. He said, oh, you should come on the podcast. And I said, okay, I'll come on a Monday.

And he went, no, that's not, you're not supposed to do that. You're supposed to say, my people will talk to your people. And that's not how this business works. And I said, no, I'm only here some Monday. So I did. So I went, so he managed to arrange it so I could go on a Monday. So don't invite me back.

No, no, no. Because I will say, okay, well, I'll come on. We do it reverse. I've got my diary in that. Yeah, we do it reverse. When someone comes on once, they're a recurring guest. And so then they have to come on any time we ask. So we have you now contractually, we might call you tomorrow.

I signed it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So we reverse that on you. Get rid of the middleman and we'll just give you our number. And then we're just going to text you and be like, hey, Brian, are you down? Yeah. Come shoot the shit.

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Or again, at your local CVS. Okay, let's wrap up. We have Fire Fest of the Week. Send everyone on their way for a nice weekend. Weathers getting nice, playoffs, everything. Playoffs. Hank. I don't have much.

Pretty normal week for me. Good. Just everything. Drama. No, yeah. Everything smooth. Yeah, just corporate life. Just did a bunch of meetings.

Nothing crazy. It does suck that I can't make fun of you for waking up late anymore because I know you're up all the time now. Yeah, I'm getting up working out in the morning. Yeah, damn. I tried to call Hank the other day. He's like, I'm at the gym.

Fuck. That's sick. I was trying to text on my Apple. I mean, I'm an Apple Watch guy now too. Yeah, it is nice being Apple Watch guys. Have you considered being a briefcase guy? I don't know. L.E.L.

Mr. Ice. That'd be Mr. Ice's move. It's a power move. I think it's always a power. If you handcuff yourself to a briefcase. Well, Mr. Ice walks around with a briefcase that has like a, that's like the dodgeball scene where he opens the briefcase

and there's just one stack of bills in it. Yeah. Like he carries a briefcase around with like $5,000. For what a wallet could easily handle. Yeah. No, but yesterday I was, this is a literal Fire Fest. I was walking to the train station to the path and I had my AirPods in and a fire truck, literal fire.

It was like a EMT, it wasn't, it looked like an ambulance but it was a fire, you know, NYPD vehicle. Billy knows what I'm talking about. Had its sirens on behind me and I kind of was like not paying attention and then a lady tapped me and was like, hey, and I took my headphones out and she points to the fire truck

and it was an EMT like screaming my name on 6th Avenue being like, Hank, Team Hank, with his buzzers on and everyone was just looking at me like, what, what is going on? It's like, come here. It was just, it was a scene and I was just like, this is a fire, this is a Fire Fest. I had the fire department tracking me down

to like scream my name. It was a lot. Um, but kind of, I mean, it has to be your number one loved week of all time. Yeah, I will say, you know, it is nice. Like it's one of those things where if it was up to me, none of this ever would have happened. Agreed.

Although if you, you know, the Tom Brady thing or whatever, but it is nice, you know, getting the support from your friends and people like obviously everyone struggles with self-confidence issues. So knowing that you have that love and support from everyone is nice and I appreciate everyone that reached out.

You're basically like, you're basically laughing at you right now. I'm laughing because I saw online, someone was like, someone thought it wasn't Hank but Frank they were talking about. So we were like, this guy, it was a joke in my head and made more sense. Okay.

Okay. Sounded sick. We should get a storyboard maybe. I would love to be in Billy's head. Yeah. Yeah. That's scary place. Seems awesome.

Scary place. Yeah, you basically got eulogized without dying. Yeah. Like everyone, like that was a bit- I was like, it was like the Tom Brady thing was like basically a make-a-wish situation. I was like, my girlfriend started dating someone else, my ex-girlfriend started dating someone else.

You know what? There actually should be a make-a-wish program, not for people that are sick or dying, but for people that are just like down. Just like if you get broken up with, there should be a website like a cameo for celebrities just to be like, hey, I want to give you a pep talk.

You look great. Keep hitting the gym. Everyone loves you. I mean, if I was really going to get into it, I would say that. And this happened when we broke up to her. I was like, I don't want to like see shit. And then I get all these people and they're in good nature.

They mean well, but they reach out to me with their stories and it just depresses me even more. I'm just like, that's brutal. Like I'm not, I don't feel as bad as you're describing. Right. And like what your situation sounds way worse than what I'm going through, but it's just like that sucks.

And then I got a bunch of those messages because they're like trying to relate and be like, yeah, man. Like this happened to me too, bubble bottoms. Like that's super depressing. Like don't want to read that. I want to respond and be like, yeah, you know, let's get through this together, bro. So if you have reached out and I haven't responded, that's why.

Yeah. All right. But appreciate it. Yeah. I appreciate it. Yeah. I appreciate everyone that reached out. Feels good.

It's a thank for life. Yeah. We love you Hank. Love you guys too. Yeah. PFT? Well, really my firefest is that I'm definitely fearing the fact that Jake is going to just be laughing at my face

in my own hometown. Rubbing his titties in you. Rubbing my titties in my face. It's going to happen. And that it's going to be like. No, he's always going to be motorboating you. He's going to be motorboating. He's going to titty fuck you.

It's going to be like, yeah. It's going to be like getting pegged by Lisa Simpson. Yeah. He's going to get you. Yeah, it is. It is the scariest person to go to a game when your team can be eliminated in his camp. Yeah.

He's like that movie, The Ring. When Jake shows up next to you shaking your hand, be like, I'm just rooting for a good game for both teams. I'm going to die. Because I'm not the biggest Panther fan of support in the hometown team. He's already doing it. I know.

This is the worst. This is the worst. This is the worst. Everything that Jake says, he thinks he's being super polite. And he is being super polite in his own brain. But I want you to hate me. That's the thing. If the Panthers lose the series, I'll be like, all right.

Stop. If the cops lose the series. Stop. Jake, stop. But I'm being dead serious. I'm not trying to tell you. Making it worse. We know.

One other, I can say this. I mentioned this in the group text, but a post mostly firefest that I was kind of laughing about. And post mostly, the best in the office clip, when that happened, because I think it was the anniversary this week or something, that was also the week that me and Rhea basically broke up privately. Like we didn't say anything for a little while.

So that happened. And then the best in the office thing happened. And I was just getting destroyed. So I was in a bad spot. And everyone was like, oh, you're in a bad spot because of Jake like shitting down your throat. And I was like, not only that, but, and I couldn't even talk about it.

So that was like a. That also is like. For context, that was a bad week for me. There are some people who are like, oh, big cat, you went too hard. And it's like, but I also am very close to Hank. And I know he was down bad for a while. Like it was, you know, it wasn't fun.

No breakups are ever fun. Right. Ever. Right. No matter what, it just, they just aren't. I just remembered my other part of that same firefest is that Marlins man is also actively trolled. Oh, he keeps going.

I'm being actively engaged from all angles by Marlins man. Yeah. He keeps sending memes to people close to me. Reverse. He's reversing your. Yeah. He's texting me reverse memes and being like, please send a PFT.

Yeah. It's, it's the meme that I put out of Kodak black doggy styling that chick had a Panthers game where I put caps on Kodak black and then Panthers on the poor girl. And then he's just reversing it, creating the meme to be about me in the capitals and then texting it to the people I'm closest with, asking them to share it to me. Correct.

He has not contacted my mom. No, not her. Brutal. Um, all right. My firefest is I just keep losing my voice. I gotta do something about it. I just not, I just gotta, I gotta start treating my voice like, uh, like a quarterback treats his arm.

Or like Adele treats her voice. Yeah. Guess start drinking tea and honey. So the travel, the lack of sleep, two kids, all the stuff. I need to like just start being like, all right, my voice is going. Stop talking. Like, don't, you know, rest it.

So I gotta. Load management. Pitch count. Yeah. I did. I was whispering last night and my son was like, why, like, he started whispering back, but it was very bizarre. How many words per day do you think you speak?

It's, it's great. Cause I was thinking about it. I was like, I'm losing my voice. I lost my voice this week and I was thinking about it because it makes sense. Red eye, you know, Vegas doing a book, like the live, five hour broadcast, all that. And yeah, when you add it all up, it's like, oh,

shit, like show after show after show. So I gotta just do a better job and I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. I know I've said this before, but I'm going to do it. Sorry to everyone who had to listen to me sound like I was dying on Wednesday show. So on Monday, I got back to the East coast from Vegas at 7am.

It was around on about like three hours sleep. How was your Saturday? It was Saturday was sick. So we went to, I started a blackjack. Yeah, I know. I was doing a weird question. Oh, that's like a normal question. No, not on a Tuesday.

Not on a Tuesday. Well, it's Thursday. Not on a Tuesday. I had a great Saturdays user and the fun stuff happened. On a Tuesday, how was your Saturday? I love that Billy actually, like it's totally normal and acceptable for him in his life to go around all week every day.

That's not Saturday. Just talk about what he did on his last Saturday. Saturdays are the best day. Yeah, for the boys. That's when you really have enough time to go do cool shit with the boys. Exactly. So I got back and I was like, I kind of would take

Fridays over Saturdays, but that's just me. I also have a very different Friday. We have to work on Sundays and Friday is just there's no better feeling than Friday after lunch. There's just, it feels like the weekend is forever. But like you can get up to excursions on Saturday. You can go for adventures on Saturdays. Yeah.

Day trips. I'm also counting this as someone who has two children. So Saturdays are a lot for me now. But yeah, even in general. Even in general. Well, how was your Saturday? What? How was your Saturday?

The upcoming one? Last one. It was fine. We did the canal fight. You were with me the whole time. Yeah. It was a good Saturday, right? Yeah.

Total excursion. Totally normal question. So I got back and I was like, I was beat up from Vegas. And I was like, I got to do something to correct this. So I decided to drop myself off about six miles from my house and just was like, you got to get to your house. And I just literally had an exorcism running the six miles. With your bags?

Yeah. Like, well, this was in the afternoon after I came in. Oh, so not your bags. Well, I had one backpack. Backpack. Yeah. So then I was like, I was like forcing myself to exercise. So you just walked home?

No. I ran excursion. It was just like an excursion. Over the river? Just, well, I dropped myself off somewhere over the river. And then I ran five miles. I like that. So you just, you just went for a run.

You just decided to do it in your pants in a backpack. How are you not talking about your pants, by the way? Yeah. Like, how is this not your fire first? My pants? You just keep getting ripped off. Yeah. Well, my pants keep crawling you, bro.

Yeah. We need, I'm going to get, one of these days, I'm going to get one of you guys with the pants. No, you're not. I highly doubt that. Oh, yeah? I think this is, we were talking about this today, because like, everyone has to come in and like,

guests need to start ripping your pants. It needs to be your version of hot ones. Well, I'm going to start ripping other people's pants. Your hot ones is going to be somebody comes up to you, like a celebrity, rips your pants off without you knowing, and then you just do like a three-second interview where you just react to them taking your pants off. Well, it's like, I don't know.

What the fuck, dude? How was your Saturday? It's the ultimate catch-22, because it's like. That's what, that'll be the show title. What the fuck, dude? How was your Saturday? To hit your monthly quota for numbers, it's like, you've made your job so much easier,

but the flip side is you have to. You have no pants. Yeah, you have to get your pants. You hit all your TikTok goals, but you have no pants. I also like how Billy just treats, like when he's bored, he treats the entire world like an escape room. He's like, I dropped myself off like far away from my house, and then I had to find my bed.

It would, it forced me to exercise, and literally I got everything out. You could have just gone for a run. Right, but that's so hard mentally. I had to drop myself off somewhere. That's true. You have to get home. I actually understand that.

You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Like, it's like, you can't just run six miles on a treadmill or like around your neighborhood. You got to just drop yourself off somewhere, and it's like, you got to get back. You have no other choice. I was going to go to the gym after the Celtics game,

and then they lost, and I was like, I'm not going now. But if you had just been. And that doesn't even make sense, but like. No, it makes perfect sense. When you're home, you find any reason to not do it. Or if you just like drop yourself off six miles from your home. Wait, how'd you get the car back? What do you mean?

How'd you get back to the car? Oh, no, he took an Uber. No, I drove it to a place. He took an Uber. Wait, you just picked a random address and had an Uber. Did you have? Gotcha, gotcha, gotcha. All right, Jake.

I love you, Billy. So two elevators in my building. One was out. I'm on the 16th floor. Takes a while to go down. At the end of the day, I'm stuck with five people and three dogs. Oh, no.

In the elevator? Yeah. I'm allergic to dogs for context. You shouldn't have just gone on the stairs. Down 16? Force yourself, yeah. Yeah, I could have. It'd be a real shame, Jake.

It was uncomfortable. If we got a special exclusive meet and greet with the capitals dog mascot, biscuit, a real shame. Oh, you guys already tried to kill me once this month. Yeah, so that's true. That's true. That's actually very true. How are you going through withdrawals?

Are you clean now? Nope. No shakes? Never again. Ever again? I mean, there's a lot of sports that have to happen. Yeah. Right.

What about if you're beloved? We're definitely going to do a Wampus cat bet again. There'd be other punishments. Would you do a Wampus cat if it meant that your beloved Panthers won the Stanley Cup? No. Time completely on it. See, this sucks.

This sucks for me. What about Syracuse? What if Jim Bayheim got one last chance? He's looking to win and then apologize. Jim Bayheim's last drive. All right, let's do numbers. Thank you. I'm not surprised by that.

He's going to win. He's going to be like, I'm really sorry, PFT. I know that you wanted this. Admit a lot to you. I hate that we did it. I'm sorry. Yeah, if I could give this win back, I would do it. I wish you could feel this win, not me.

I wish I had lost. Would you Wampus cat for a broadcasting primetime gig? Yes. Oh, there it is. Nice, Billy. Got him. Got one thrown down. All right, 22.

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Whoa. Whoa. Wait, Subah was 13? Yeah. Yeah. Whoa. The fucking witch, bro. Whoa.

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