Pardon My Take - JJ Redick, Russell Wilson Is A Bronco And Aaron Rodgers Is Back

Episode Date: March 9, 2022

The NFL news cycle never dies as Russell Wilson gets traded to the Broncos and Aaron Rodgers re-signs with the Packers. Calvin Ridley’s suspension and the NFL’s hypocrisy and Big Cat won a twitter war in easy fashion (00:02:18-00:29:53). Hot Seat/Cool Throne including Russell Westbrick(00:29:53-00:45:19). JJ Redick joins the show in studio to talk about about Saturday night in Cameron, March Madness, NBA, who is going to win the title and current Basketball geniuses(00:45:19-01:51:19:04). We finish up with guys on chicks(01:51:19-02:05:25)You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/PardonMyTake

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shit, the NFL does not sleep. A lot of news just happened. The NFL is king. I love reminding people that the NFL is king. A flex. It's a big flex. Every now and again, Roger Goddell sees another sport start to get a little bit of shine. This is March. Right. And people are talking about college basketball and Goddell is like, you know what, I'm going to press the button. The NFL is king button and fully activate the league. It's essentially like all sports just happen in between big NFL moments. It's like, Oh yeah, okay. Well, we had a couple of basketball games. And then Calvin Ridley and then Aaron Rodgers and then Russell Wilson. Let's go. Let's go. Most recent and back from there. Okay, we're betting we thought for sure Big Cat was going to

lead the show with Aaron Rodgers. No, I think Russell Wilson is the bigger story. Yeah, I think that's pretty, yeah. Russell Wilson changing, changing conferences. MVP. Russell Wilson is definitely the bigger story because Rodgers staying in at the Packers was kind of expected-ish. Russell Wilson going to the Broncos is like, Whoa, that just happened. They both won the same amount of Super Bowls. Yeah, that's a fact. People forget that. Russell Wilson going to the Broncos. I think it's a good deal for the Broncos. They gave up two firsts, two seconds, I believe, a fifth, and then they gave away Noah Phant, Drew Locke, and I think they're getting in return, Russell, and a fourth. Yeah, they sent Shelby Harris as well. That's right, yeah. So I actually,

like any trade, and we've given this speech before, we have to immediately say winners and losers. I honestly don't like, it's going to be hard for the Seahawks to recoup what Russell Wilson is in terms of a franchise quarterback, top 10 guy that is very hard to find. And you basically are saying you have to nail these draft picks. And then on the other side, like the Broncos, I like the all in, if they win a Super Bowl, it obviously all pays off. There's also the element that the Broncos are currently for sale and having Russell Wilson as your franchise quarterback absolutely would help the price tag on that. They're trying to attract Antonio Brown, who said that he's very serious. Him and Kanye West are trying to buy the Broncos. Yes, so it's, I mean,

the price, this actually doesn't boom in right now, this does actually play into it. And there's, it's no, it's no surprise that the Broncos made this move, like two hours after Aaron Rodgers said he's staying in Green Bay because it's clear the Broncos were trying to get Aaron Rodgers, not a bad option too. But like, there's a chance this, this trade just fails for everyone. Yeah, no, it could. But I like it for the Broncos. I like it a lot. And for Seahawks fans out there, they've been living in like a fantasy world for about the last 10 years. The Seahawks, they're no better than us big cat as fans of the commanders and the Bears. They've just been on a great run because they found a great quarterback, right? You kind of make, make everything go away,

make things feel good. Now they're going to realize like, oh, shit, we really, we really had something in Russell Wilson, I think I think that the Broncos won this trade because they've got a quarterback. This is kind of the Broncos move too, is going out and finding a Super Bowl winning quarterback, bring them into town. We saw that with Flacco, obviously, Peyton Manning. The difference being, wasn't Peyton Manning, was he a free agent at that point? He was released, usually. So he didn't, they didn't have to give up a lot of future picks. And you know, I mean, no offense was what, a first round pick two or three years ago. Like, that's my only point is that the Broncos, they're going to be a lot better. But can you win a Super

Bowl with Russell Wilson and giving up a bunch of picks and you're also playing in now easily the hardest division in football? It's not saying you shouldn't try. Obviously you should try. I like that fact. Like if I was a Broncos fan, I'd be pumped. I'm saying more in five years, we could look back and be like, oh, so the Broncos went to the playoffs like twice and the Seahawks didn't really hit home runs with their picks and both franchises were kind of worse for it. Yeah. Huge come up though, for the, for Derek Carr, really, because everyone's like, this is by far the best division in football. Look at the quarterbacks that you have to compete against Patrick Mahomes, Justin Herbert, Derek Carr. He's getting, he's getting though the,

the, the dragon meme with like the three dragons that are like scary and one that's goofy with the eyes crossed. That's a tricky one. But I've seen more of people saying like, look how stacked this division is. I agree. And Derek Carr is like, actually it's probably the biggest God division in football right now. I think Herbert, Herbert's a God guy, right? Mahomes is kind of a low key. He's from Texas. I feel like you're at least half a God guy. Carl Russell Wilson makes it a runaway, just a two away. Because those, those guys are a hundred out of a hundred God guys. God, God is watched. God will be watching. God hopes that AFC West Games get on prime time this year. Yeah. And Denver is the closest city to God in the NFL. But it's, it's

interesting because this goes against like what John Elway has done in the past a little bit, he's not six foot five. He's not six foot five. And also he's not calling the shots anymore at the same way that he is. Like he's been, John Elway, I feel like they've just been making up new titles to move him farther away from, you're the GM. But yeah, you're right. The short, the shortness of Russell Wilson probably has John Elway disgusted right now. I do like it for the Broncos though. Honestly, if I, I do think that Russell Wilson is one of the quarterbacks that can take any team and turn them into like an instant contender. They'll probably, I would say any team in the NFL, you put Russell Wilson on a team, they're probably going to be favorite to

make the playoffs. Right. But yeah, my counterpart to that would be have the Seahawks been a contender the last five years. I think with a healthy Russell Wilson, they've always been, yeah, they've been in this playoffs. They've been in the discussion. Right. They've been in the playoffs. I, I'm more, I'm, I'm just playing devil's advocate. Obviously I would kill for Russell Wilson, but it's like he's a 33 year old quarterback who, you know, you're not getting, probably not getting his prime and quarterbacks play a lot longer. And you've also given up a lot of picks. I don't know. I, and you're playing against Patrick Holmes and Justin Herbert and Derek Carr. Shout out Derek Carr. It's, it's one of those weird trades. I look at it. I'm like,

it makes sense why everyone did it. I just don't know if anyone's going to, and if you want to judge it purely off Super Bowls, then it's obviously the odds are in my favor to say neither team's going to win a Super Bowl next five years, but how many, how many playoff appearances will the Broncos and the Seahawks have combined in the next five years? I guess Seahawks are a little different timeline now. Yeah. Seahawks are on a different timeline because True Lock, as much as I love the guy, throws the best incompletions and practice in the NFL. Yeah. I'm ready to admit that I think I was probably wrong about True Lock. And they're also trying to get rid of Lockett. So it seems like the Seahawks are entering into like a total

complete rebuild from the ground up. And by the way, I think we need to have our guy DK's back on this. I think we need to now free DK. Yes. Free DK. Bring them to the Bears. Bring them, yeah, anywhere. Just get DK out of town. But I think, Seahawks, let's go see, I mean, not Seahawks. Seahawks are rebuilding. Broncos make the playoffs three times. Three out of five times. Okay. Yeah, because it's- They've got a good defense. They do. The Broncos have a good team. It's more how stacked the AFC is now. Like, would you say the Broncos will have the one seed at least once in the next five years? I wouldn't make that bet. I wouldn't either. So you know what I mean? It's less about, like, Russell. I think Russell Wilson is a great quarterback. And you have to try. So

it's not, it's, again, I think the Broncos have to make this move. I just don't think that it's one of those things where you see it and you're like, oh, the Broncos now officially like Super Bowl contender fully. You know what's going to be sick though? I just thought of this. You know how Russell Wilson, he's the king of throwing the teardrop passes. They go up in the air. They touch the cloud. They come down with a little bit of Seattle rain on it. Imagine how high he's going to be able to throw the ball in Denver. Yeah, it's going to be a lecture. It's going to be fun. I think that this is a good move for the Broncos. I also see, looking around the NFL, like you mentioned earlier, it's no coincidence that this happened right after the Aaron Rodgers news.

It's like no spoilers for Love is Blind. But like Jarrett and Ilana when Mallory says no to him. And then he has to find somebody else right afterwards. We're entering the time of the NFL season where it's like, it's getting late. You've been at a bar. You're looking for people. Maybe take home for the night and your options are starting to get dicey. And so you're like, okay, I better spring now. It's 1.15 in the morning. Aaron Rodgers just left. Russell Wilson is pretty good. I'll take Russell Wilson. And then you're going to have teams waiting around, waiting around, being like, you know, I can talk myself into Mitchell Trebisky. And then at the very end, after everything's out, the last two guys in the bar that are giving you some stink eyes, you've

got James Winston to Sean Watson. You're like, who wants to take a chance with those guys? Oh, I think James is higher than Mitch. You think so? Yeah. Right now. I don't know. He was playing really well last year. It is, it is true though. Like this is how you end up going home with Sam Darnold and being like, let's pick up his fifth year option. This will work. Yeah. Then Sean Watson, you're like, your friends are texting you on the way back in the Uber. Like, you okay? Yeah. Let me know when you're home. And this, and this is actually, well also, you can say the same for Jameson and Uber. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. Like Jameson and Sean are the two that are wildcards. In that analogy, that is why the trade obviously

makes a ton of sense for the Broncos because you do have a quarterback for, I don't know, let's say five years at least, that it feels like you're confidently going to have a franchise quarterback and you're going to have, you're going to be in the discussion. I think the real question is if you're the Broncos, would you rather have five years of Russell Wilson paying him a lot of money, giving up what you've given up and he's a proven commodity, or would you take a chance and go for somebody in the draft, Malik Willis, can you pick it, those kinds of guys? Yeah. I don't know. It's very tough because there is an element of just continually saying, let's build, let's build the right way. But if you, Russell Wilson becomes

available, you have to take your shot. Again, it's less about Russell Wilson. It's more about just how fucking hard the AFC is going to be. Like the AFC is a gauntlet. One of my favorite things is when the analysts get in front of the camera, they go, the NFL is a copycat league. And it's kind of true because everyone just like chases what's been successful recently. And Tom Brady won a Super Bowl. Matt Stafford won a Super Bowl. I think more teams are just going to try to say, I'd rather take a shot at acquiring a free agent quarterback, maybe towards the end of their career, and then use all my draft capital on skill positions and the line. It makes sense. It makes sense. I mean, you know, he's obviously a great quarterback.

All right. So should we talk Aaron Rodgers back with the Packers? He completely ruined International Women's Day. Sorry to all women out there. Any women out there, if you're feeling disrespected, please slide into the DMs of part of my take and let them know. Yeah. It was fucked up what Aaron Rodgers did. I think the worst part for me is that my stupid brain let myself believe that maybe he wasn't going to come back, but he always was. It was always going to happen. Aaron loves doing this every off season where he pretends like he's going to go, and then he spends time away from everyone. And then he comes back after doing the ayahuasca, and he's like, you know what, I've realized that certain things are important in my life, and that's the friendships that I've

made here in $200 million and $200 million, which is not apparently is not true. I was also perfect Aaron Rodgers that the announcement happened and then he initially like immediately was like, you guys are all spinning like falsehoods and the media lies again. I mean, I'm going to be cancelled again. It's like $300 million. So here's a good spend zone for you. I think that if Aaron Rodgers doesn't win three out of four next Super Bowls, this contract is kind of a bust. If it is, if it is 50 million, if he's the highest paid player in the history of the NFL, well, the cap's going up, you would assume the cap is going up, the cap's going up, but you would assume that the highest paid player ever would also be a player capable of leading you to Dynasty. You would assume I'm so

I'm back in the torture chamber. He's going to torture me, whatever. The only thing that I can hope for is that he doesn't win a second Super Bowl with the Packers because that's, that's why I was letting myself believe. That's why I was so happy in January when the, when the 49ers beat him because having Aaron Rodgers for 15 years and only winning one Super Bowl is as loser talk as it is, because it is truly loser talk, basically making fun of your rival for being like you only won one Super Bowl. That's what I have to hang my hat on. And now the idea of him finishing his career and like going out on the white horse, I am now, I'm now facing a couple kill myself games with Coach K's retirement and now Aaron Rodgers. I don't think we can say that. Okay. Well, we can bleep

that out, but it's not good. This isn't good. I'm not, you're going to K yourself bad. It's going to be bad. Like I just hope that he sucks up so much money that it just, they can't have a defense. And those are my favorite Aaron Roger teams when he's awesome in the regular season and then they get to the playoffs and his defense sucks. I, it sucks. I'm not happy. It's going to be torture. I'm back in the torture chamber. I think he truly looked around the NFC and was like, it's, it's kind of back to the Russell Wilson talk. Like Aaron Rodgers looked at the NFC North is like, wait, I can keep just beating the fuck out of these teams. Why would I go to the AFC West? Yeah, it makes sense. The only other option that I thought made a little bit of sense for him was

Tennessee. Because in Tennessee, it's kind of the same situation where you have teams that you should be able to beat handily for the, at least next couple years, unless they make some big time moves. That would, that would have made sense if he had been a Titan given what their defense does occasionally, when they feel like playing what their running game does. That to me seemed like it was a good fit, but you're right. Why would you, why would you stop playing willingly twice a year against the Lions, the Bears and the Vikings? Yeah, it's, it's a free ride. It is, it is kind of messed up. So if I was a Packers fan, I would be elated that he's coming back, but at the same time, like he does this so much to them. He's going to keep doing it. The last like, he's, he's

Jenny from Forest Gump. Yeah. When she keeps showing up. You're dropping some sick analogies today. Colin Callard had his on, is on smoothly today. You know, Jenny comes back and she's like, Forest, I love you. I'm sorry for treating you like shit. Sorry that you've been crying and lonely for the last five years. Let me just bone you one night. Right. And then I'll leave, I'll leave again in the morning. Oh, here's a son. I'm bringing back to you. I'm actually not going, I'm going to go off in the distance for a while and go do drugs and threaten to jump off a ledge and then come back to you. We'll make it up. But he kind of does treat them like shit. Yeah. No, he does. He absolutely does. And he's going to keep doing that. And he's going to be

like, if they have a early exit, he's going to be like, I have no help, even though he's taking up a lot of the money. I, as an aside, I wish we had someone who could just explain the salary cap to us consistently and just be like, it is just complete bullshit all the time. Because everything, nothing matters. Who's the biggest math guy that we have here? Jake? Jake? He's low case sick of math. I can do some research, probably. Yeah, but you're just never make sense. Biz. Yeah. It's just the cap is just doesn't, everyone's in salary cap hell. And then like a year later, they're totally fine. I kind of like the idea of Billy being like, that's cap with Billy football. Yeah. He's going to do a salary cap segment, which is going to be completely wrong.

I'll try to dumb it down as much as I can. Oh, thanks for, yeah. Thanks for appreciating that for us. This is the guy who creates the spreadsheet, which is coming back next week. Yes, it is. I'm very excited for it. But yeah, the Packers are going to still, the Packers are going to probably have, going back to the one seat conversation, they'll probably have the one seat at least two times the next four years, just because they play in a division, in a conference now like the NFC. But shouldn't Aaron Rogers want to not have home field advantage to the playoffs? He just doesn't want to play in the playoffs. I think he just doesn't like playing in the cold and green bay in the playoffs. Yeah.

And then our last story is we have Calvin Ridley. This is, it's been a crazy 24 hours. Calvin Ridley suspended one year for placing parlays, three different parlays, three and five, three, five and 18 parlay back in November. My type of guy. Yeah. When he was on mental health rest, you think he was riding, you think he was a can't lose guy or was he a hungry dog? Yeah. No, Mike Vick was the fan of the hungry dog. You walked into that one. I mean, it's a story that's, it's very funny because it's very hypocritical of the NFL, obviously. They, I would actually like what, what, what game do you think Calvin Ridley will score his next touch on it? Can we bet on that? Cause that would be cool. Actually,

I'm sure the NFL will be like, Hey, so one of two things is going on. I think either they're just doing a send a message thing that like this won't be tolerated or there might be something more that was going on with Calvin Ridley in terms of how much he was gambling. It seems, it seems pretty harsh. And I get why the NFL, if even if it is just the $1,500 in bets, I get why they have to say the players are not allowed to bet on the games. That makes sense to me. Right. I get that because there's too much money at stake in terms of like, yes, they are in bed with the gambling companies. But if the gambling companies, if there's like a loss of legitimacy in the game, then those gambling companies won't have as much money to bribe the

NFL with in the future. So they're hypocrites, but at least they're kind of honest hypocrites about it. Well, it's, it's, the NFL has been hypocritical about gambling forever because they've basically pretended that it didn't exist for the longest time, even though like, if you took away gambling, if you made, if you had a button where all gambling, everything, like illegal, legal was just a race. No one could bet on anything. What do you think the NFL's TV audience would do? Half? Yeah, probably about half. It would be crazy. So like we're counting fantasy football and all that. Yeah, everything, like a Thursday night game between the Jaguars and Titans. Do you think people are like, the country is watching just for that? It's, it's, so it's

been hypocritical for a very long time. They pretended it didn't exist, even though everyone gambles. And then when, when gambling became legalized, they got, you know, obviously they taking a lot of ads. We're not an official sponsor of, of the NFL. So you can't come at us. Roger does not allow us to. I've actually sanctioned the NFL. They're not allowed to do business with us. Right. Exactly. So in that respect, they're hypocritical, but I totally understand, like people saying, well, why can't Calvin Ridley bet? I get why you can't bet. It's like you can't, you can't, it gamblers are crazy. So they're all think that everything's rigged. He had a man who watch, oh, thinking everything was rigged. Anyone, it may not show is literally

an insane person. I don't know if you've ever watched his show. He is not. He is insane. I, that was, he also steals tweets. You know that? I, well, he stole that video from someone. He's stolen tweet, like stolen tweets from me. And then people call him out on it. And he goes, imitation is the most sincere form of flattery. He's crazy. I, I've never had flattery is the most sincere form of flattery. I've never, it's true. Just saying, good job. Just say, each weeding is the most sincere form of flattery. I like your joke that you made that everybody else also made. Yeah. The, um, but that was the easiest W of my life. I didn't, I did that during my son's bath time. I wasn't even, I was half paying

attention. And he was like, he just wasn't making any sense. You just scrolled by his tweet and saw it. No, I was maybe, I was maybe put onto his tweet by a friend, but then after it started, I was literally out of you. I was doing fucking soap in one hand and, and dunking on a manual accio in the other. His, his tweets back to me were shockingly stupid. So let's, let's, let's clarify what he was saying at first. Read the, read the, read the, read the, read the back. Well, he deleted it. He deleted it. Because at first, Emmanuel Acho took a video and he said, something along the lines of, I'm not accusing Calvin Ridley of betting on anything else than what he was accused of, but this evidence is damning. Here's, here's, here's this. I, I feel

like I'm looking through a kaleidoscope at an encyclopedia trying to figure out what those words mean. He was in fact accusing Calvin Ridley of point shaving or yard shaving. And it was a pretty damning video if you just looked at the clips. He said, all right, so he said, he had those guys be that one clip against the chiefs was bad. I don't think Calvin Ridley was throwing games well on the field at all, but this video is very damning and it was three plays of a career that has had 250 catches. Also, if you looked at the stats from those three games, he had like 400 yards, three touchdowns and like 15 catches either way. So I was like, this is a bad tweet. And he said, why is that? And he just doubled

down like his stupidity. He said, he wrote back, I don't think he threw games as stated, but I can acknowledge when video evidence doesn't look good. And when you break away from defenders, which you clearly beat and circle back to get tackled, I can understand why some people might think you threw games. So I, he's, so he's saying he's doing the like no offense, but right, you're ugly. Right. Right. So if he's doing a bit, that was actually the funniest bit ever by a man who watched him, but I unfortunately think he was dead serious and capable of bits. Remember, this is the guy that said that we should outlaw marijuana in the Olympics. Correct. Because who knows where the javelin throwers will, will hurl the sticks.

Yes. Yes. And then he subtweeted me with, I'll play this sound because it was, well, obviously he doesn't know you. He doesn't know me. He doesn't know who I am. So I sent him buff cat. Hopefully he thinks that's actually who I am. That would be sick. This, this subtweet, I was trying to make sense of it. Oh no, he might have, he might have deleted that. He's been deleting a lot of tweets. So, oh, here we go. Ready? Tell me if you guys can understand this. Default to wait. When people don't take the time to get to know someone, then they default to what they know about people that look like that someone they never took the time to know. When people don't take, I think he's calling me

racist. I think so. Yeah. Then they default to what they know about. Are you saying that his brother also has bad tweets? They never took the time to know. So that was the subtweet where I'm pretty sure he called me racist, which is, okay, your tweet was bad. Okay. I don't care who sent it. As, as an anti-Nazi podcast. Correct. I think we did. And Disavowed Putin. Yep, fact. Which is confusing because Putin also disavowed Nazis. That is, he's got my brain in a pretzel on that one. We're, we're, we're dog chasing his tail. We're very dumb. Basically, what we're trying to say is all the good things that you want to believe in, that's what we believe in. Yeah. And none of the bad things. Yes. Yes. But yeah. Easy as dub of my life. I don't even,

I've got an idea for what the NFL can do though, to move forward with Calvin Ridley. Tell me, tell me this wouldn't be a great idea. If we were running the show, this is probably what we would do to handle it. They should have Calvin Ridley create a weekly eight leg Parley this season. And if he hits it, he gets reinstated immediately, put a live stream on him while he's watching all the games. Yep. Trying to get his career back. Yep. I like it. He could also just do one, one pick a week. Calvin Ridley's lead pipe lock. Every time he gets it right, it's one game off the suspension. Sure. So like halfway through the season, if he's eight, no, he's back. Yeah. Imagine the views that you could do on this. It would be great. I wouldn't put it past the NFL.

Like I said, I was joking, but there's definitely some place that is going to put out a line of like, when will Calvin Ridley first appear in an NFL game again? So we're going to bet on his suspension of the betting, suspension of betting. So we went back, we looked at some of the games, like it was late November is when they said that he was the keys of this. So it could have been the game against the Jaguars, that the Falcons won. So Calvin Ridley might have taken the Lunder. He might have. That was the original Lunder game, I believe. He might have. And as an impasse Falcons, right? Yeah. As an impasse, I can understand his shame in losing money on betting the Lunder. Yeah, you heard the name. And I just betting on the Falcons. Like I,

that has been a problem of mine for a very long time where you see the first round picks and you say like Calvin really knows those dudes. He knows they're all first round picks. You know what the NFL should also do is they should take all the gambling money that they're getting, work those into some of the contracts as incentives and have every player that's eligible automatically every game. You're betting on your own overs, all your overs, your touchdowns, all your props, your teams against the spread. So it's already worked into their contract. So you can't bet against it. Just like a little extra sprinkle on top for the players as an incentive to try to try. Yeah. Yeah, they should just let the players gamble. They should not as long as they bet on

themselves. Absolutely should not. It would be such a can of worms. The problem with betting on yourself every game is that when you don't bet on yourself in those games, correctly, strongly implying that you think that you're not going to do. Correct. And also, if you bet on yourself, even if you're you're you're trying extra hard, but now you're also trying to cover a spread, which might make you do things that are different than trying to win the game. Yeah, which we've we've oftentimes will implore Todd Gurley implore coaches and players to try to cover the spread and not care about like actually winning the game. Yeah, the bottom line is everybody in the world is a hypocrite. And if you say that you're not a hypocrite, you actually are the biggest

hypocrite. True. Well, actually, let's let's back up there because listen, it's not like crazy analogy. It's not like we let like politicians buy stocks. No, no, it's not like so. It's not that. No, you're right. We stopped them there. Nancy Pelosi will introduce a bill making it okay for players to bet on themselves without telling anybody. Yes. So I mean, the whole story, you think Nancy Pelosi gambles on the Barstel app? Yeah. Well, no, California isn't legal. Would that stop her? Probably not. Yeah, she's probably going to her husband. Yeah, one of her one of his houses. She's got bag men in Vegas running around. I'm sure betting on 18 parlays. Long crunch. I do think, though, that Goodell, as much as we hate him, it was smart of him to just

come out and like the the the suspension was announced with the story. It wasn't like the story happened. And then we waited. He was just like, Yep, this happened and he's getting suspended for a year. Yeah. So I don't know all the circumstances around his leave of apps. I know that he said that he was taking a mental health break. But it's there are going to be a lot of people that look at the timing of that and look at his suspension for gambling and wonder exactly what was going on this right. Yeah. It's it's the the last 24 hours. The NFL is truly king. You like that trick? I just said, I said, like, I'm not saying it, but a lot, a lot of people will look at this. The Emmanuel and say that. Correct. Yes. People that look like me. Yeah, exactly.

If you don't chicks, if you don't think about people who if you don't get the time to know someone who doesn't look like you, then you think they also are someone who you don't know who looks like you. But also wasn't he the one that said he didn't take the time to know who you were? Correct. He also asked me he asked me to block him because all of our interactions have been negative, which I don't even follow him. Mm hmm. Why would I block him? Why would I block him for bad tweets? I don't know. I'm telling you, the guy is an insane person. Yeah. Yeah. He's nuts. All right. Let's do hot seat cool throw. Then we have an unbelievable interview with JJ Redick. Hot seat cool throw. I'm brought to you by our friends at Coors Light. The chaos,

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sitting watching a game at a bar on your couch. Wherever you may be, Coors Light is the coldest, freshest beer out there. Okay Hank, hot seat, cool throne. My hot seat, let me get rid of the bonk list. My hot seat is, I was updating the bonk list earlier. I'm not going to tell you who said what and what was being put on, but that was at the top of my nose when I had to pull up hot, hot seat, cool throne. Mystery resume season. Yeah. Blind resume. Blind resume. Just the numbers, but no names. He's got to count them out. Okay. X person followed every person named Brandy on Instagram, just in case one of them was Cocho's wife. Got it. Yep. We know who that is. Well, that's

it. That's it. That's all you're getting. There's about one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, 10, 11, 12. There's 14, 14 cases on the bonk list. 14 bonks. That's not bad. No. 13 of them are PFTs? No. No, less, less than 13. You're on there a couple times. 12. Is Jake on the list? No. It's a two-man show right now. That's us to me, actually. Yeah. All right. Jake's not. Yeah. But yeah, let me get rid of that. And my hot seat, my hot seat is Spotify. Oh, they went down today. They were trending. They was like over, you know, everyone was talking about how Spotify was down. I don't know because they took away some of Joe Rogan's podcast and he was fighting back, like recensoring the people that

censored him. I don't know what's going on. Joe Rogan was committing cyber warfare against Spotify. I like that idea. Some people are suggesting that, you know, big corporations, big problems, which brings me to my other hot seat, which is big oil. Oh, everyone's talking about oil. But for this show, it's not the reason you'd expect. Shaq. Yes. Basically solved. Like he's, he's solved oil. Can we put the clip in? Yes. Great education. Because I told him I didn't want to get a certain vehicle because of the amount of gas I would have to spend. It cost like $80 to fill it up and he said, then you said, when it gets to half, then you put $20, you bring it back to full. Yeah. But if I came through, I would have to stop off and instead

spend $80. No, you wouldn't. No, you wouldn't. Why? You're complaining about when it gets to zero, you're spending $80, right? When it gets to half, you put $20. Then when you get back to half, you put $20. But I'll keep stopping putting $20 and it'll be equal $80 the same amount of gas. I'm driving the same amount of gas. The crazy part is, I think Shaq's right. He is. It makes a lot of sense to me. No, it makes a lot of sense. Like you, you avoid going to the gas station at all costs, right? Yeah, right. Unless you're buying dip, in which case you invest in Tesla. Yeah. But I feel like if you just go once a week, you end up spending less overall. Yeah, but that's not, he was, what was he saying? So Shaq, Shaq said, this was actually a couple years

ago, Shaq said that instead of filling up your whole tank with $80 worth of gas, as soon as it gets to half a tank, you put it with $20. Which is where it falls apart. So that you're just taking it from half a tank to three fourths of a tank every time you go. Because he said that psychologically, if you don't want to fill up your tank with $80 worth of gas, you can always just fill it up with $20 worth of gas. Yeah. You know what? He should have just told Kenny, stop being poor. Yeah. You know what? It really comes down to is he kind of is on the right theory. I find that it's more like when you have a quarter tank, you fill all the way up. Because then you never have to pay the full price that feels like, oh my God, it's $60. That's what he, you know, but going every

five days would be so annoying. You know what's crazy is like Shaq almost got philosophical on us and he almost did the whole, well, you'll actually never run out of gas because you'll have to use half your gas. Right. And then you'll have to use half your gas after that, and then half your gas after that, and you'll never get down to zero. Yeah. That would have melted Charles Barkley's head would have exploded. It would not have gone well for the studio. But yeah, Shaq is, that show is just the best. It absolutely is. The best part was Shaq was actually being totally serious. Oh, 100%. Not joking at all. You could say, someone had to have sat him down after him and like, dude, this is where your math doesn't really add up. And he probably still was

like, no, I disagree. My favorite is when Ernie Johnson just looks down at his desk, doesn't move his eyes and just starts sweating. He's like, oh my God. Yep. I'm tapping out. And your cool throne? A cool throne is camcorders. Yes. This has been kind of, you know, an evolution in the past few years. You've seen people kind of go in stylistically. You know, I use a film camera. A lot of people like use film cameras, even though, you know, they're old, they like the look. They like the vintage-ness. And then you have people like Chet Holmgren's dad, who was seen in the crowd filming him with the camcorder, like straight out of, you know, 2004. It was. And you can, for some reason, that seems like he's not doing that to be trendy. He's just

never stopped doing it since 2000. Should I burst the bubble or not? Nope. Okay. It was pointed out to me because I tweeted the picture of it. It was pointed out to me by a lot of people that they actually, I think Gonzaga fans, there was like a feature on him, his dad, and it's actually like a really expensive 4K camera. And he doesn't like it when people say it's a camcorder. Oh, his dad's like a filmmaker? Yeah, but it looks like a camcorder. It looks like an old school camcorder. I'm going to call it a camcorder. Yeah. I'm sorry. I'm just going to do that. And I think that camcorders should be the standard at sporting events, especially the dunk contest and the home run derby. Yes. You should be rocking a camera. You should be on a or a flip phone.

Maybe a flip phone. Yeah. Flip phone as well. I was upset when everyone burst my bubble with that last night because I mean, that's a camcorder. It looks like a camcorder. That's like we used to have this camcorder. I mean, it's not. But people are like, no, it's actually a really nice camera that he like loves to use and doesn't like when people say it's a camcorder. Was that an HVX 500? Sucks. Ruin the moment. It's great though seeing him. He's got fucking long ass fingers. Dude. Well, yeah. So does chat. I know. That's what I'm saying. I've got an idea for chat. So I think that Kevin, Kevin Durant has forfeited the nickname the slim reaper. I feel like this is a slim reaper. Yeah, we're looking at slim reaper here. His body type is so similar to Kevin Garnett

or Kevin Durant's. He has the really long arms, very skinny. He's got the narrow shoulders where the jerseys like almost falling off of it. I feel like we need to repurpose the slim reaper nickname and give it to Chet Holmgren. I'm in for it. It's one of the greatest nicknames ever. It's also going to be awesome when Chet Holmgren figures out what a weight room looks like and he puts on like those 25 pounds of muscle and everyone's like, watch out for Chet Holmgren. Or alternatively, he could become just a big baggy white t-shirt guy underneath the jersey. I love those guys. Yeah, absolutely. Works for Gonzaga. All right, Pete, your hot seat. Cool throw. My hot seat is testicles. Okay. Because people are starting

to schedule their annual vasectomies for March Madness. I want to know if anybody actually does this. I know of friends that have done it. So every year, the old inbox gets filled up with PR pitches for like a brand new initiative celebrating vasectomy month. I want to meet the guy that's had like four vasectomies just every year in March. Because I guess you get a day, maybe two days, where you just have to sit down, put frozen peas on your nuts and not leave the couch for a while. Yeah. I mean, the thing I never understood was why don't you just do that on your own without the frozen peas and the surgery? Yeah, you don't need to actually get your nuts back. Yeah, you just sit there and watch sports. Or you can just lie. Actually, that's a good business idea is just sort

of fake vasectomy clinic. Yeah. Where you go in, you just sit there for, I don't know, an hour or two, and then you come out, you pretend to limp, you get picked up by your wife, you get taken home, you're like, honey, I had a vasectomy. I guess I could see some issues with that down the road if you actually got her pregnant again. But I'm talking about a short-term solution. But yeah, vasectomies are back big time. This is like the vasectomies in shorts. Yeah, vasectomies in shorts. The springtime who's back. The first Robin of spring. My cool throne is Kyler Murray. Because that's one piece of quarterback news that we did not talk about today. He re-followed the Cardinals. He re-uploaded all of his pictures of them in Cardinals uniforms

onto his own Instagram page. So I guess he's happy now. The message was sent. The message was sent, message received. I think, I think both sides came to a mutual understanding that this whole thing was fucking stupid. Yep. And so I guess he's going to be the quarterback of the Cardinals again next year. Good for Kyler. Way to come back, man. All right, my hot seat is Russell Westbrook, not Westbrick. Bleed that out, Hank. So there was a non-parody story written, fully real, by Dave McMeneman on ESPN. He said the title of the story was Lakers, Russell Westbrook, speaks out about harassment. Family has been subject to vows to push back on Westbrick taunts. He said, Westbrick, for example, to me is now shaming, he said, referring to a condescending

nickname that makes the rounds online seemingly whenever he has a poor performance. It's shaming my name, my legacy for my kids. It's a name that means not just to me, but to my wife, to my mom, to my dad, the ones that kind of paved the way for me. Now, I understand what he's saying, but you know what you shouldn't do is be like, hey, this nickname everyone's given me, this taunt bothers me because that's going to get worse. It was trending almost immediately after. You don't think people are going to stop? Yeah, no, people will definitely stop. Westbrick. It's a slur. It's also just so perfect because he bricks a lot. Maybe the better idea for him, instead of like coming out publicly and saying that I won't allow you to disrespect my name,

is just start shooting less. Yeah. I think that would probably solve it a little bit more. Or shooting better. Also, well, that's not going to happen. Well, he could try even harder. This is a message directly at Skip Bayless. I think Skip Bayless invented the name Westbrick. I think he did as well, right? Yes. So Skip Bayless, as far as I know, is the only one that can stop it since he created it. Yeah, you created this monster skip. Fix it now. All right. Oh, my cool throne was a man who watched who doesn't like me and we're always negative to him, even though I don't think we've ever brought him up until, well, no, the weed thing in the Olympics. That was also stupid.

I think I did get mad at him publicly for stealing tweets, too. He's going to be featured in the tankies, I'd say. I'd say he's on the fast track. Yeah. He's having a banner year. Billy, your hot seat, cool throne. Shack was on my hot seat, but my other hot seat is Jorge Mazadal after his loss over the past weekend is now opened up a chance that many are saying he should fight Karma Greger next. That'd be a great fight for both of them to come back. To wash kings. To strikers, just because they got outwrestled in both their fights. So it would be a good fight. So big sellers. Huge. I think hopefully Dana White can make that

happen. Way to be prepared with two hot seats, Billy. Oh, I have a third one. Oh, shit. Wow. Central Park. There's an arsonist. He's setting it on fire. My cool throne. Is that you? Are you the arsonist? Is that like an interest? He's set the Fox Christmas tree on fire. Well, there's someone setting brush fires in Central Park right now. Currently. That was my third backup. You should go hunt them. I know that would actually be fun. Hunt the arsonist. Yeah. Where there's smoke, there's fire. My cool throne is the 2022 NFL draft class. So I have crafted the whole bracket list. If now is a good time to do that. Let's do it. I want to make this a big deal. Let's do it on

Friday. I want to make it like I want to actually like really dig into this. Let's get into it. Do you have the spiral? Yes, I have fuckable spirals. Okay, great. All right. So Friday, that's a little teaser for everyone in the biz. Friday, we will be doing Billy's draft bracket and fuckable spiral bracket. My second cool throne is women because it's international women's day today. Yeah, Aaron Rodgers ruined it. Asshole. You want to shout out your GMA? Shout out grandma. Oh, not your regular mom. And my mom. I don't know who you're talking. Jilly. Oh, yeah. Shout out Jilly. Jilly football. Shout out Jilly. What was that look? I've never met her. Oh, wait, you've never met Jilly? Oh, yeah. We hired Jilly to cock Billy. That's right.

Didn't she come in like six months ago or something? Yeah, she might have been, but I think Billy was like, I'm not coming in. The Waco situation. That was when Billy was on one of his little breaks. Jake, your hot seat cool throne. My hot seat's Ben Simmons. Yeah. He is making the trip to Philadelphia Thursday night. Hank, any advice for him as a guy who is not well received by Philly fans? I mean, there's nothing we worry about. They're all soft, all bark, no bite. They're not going to do shit. Yeah. I think it's going to be awesome. I think this is, I think this is not playing though. Must watch TV though. He isn't he, he's filing a complaint to the league, right? And he's planning on using some of the,

he's like pre planning the abuse that he's going to receive when he returns to Philly as part of his complaint to the league. That's an interesting tactic to be like, just, just watch how badly I'm about to be treated. Right. He's getting pre mad about it. Right. Yeah, should be interesting. My cool, cool throne, buzzer beaters. We had our first true buzzer beater. It was a champ. We chat Nuga over Furman, deep three. Awesome. Yeah. It's the beginning. And it was also the perfect buzzer beater because it was right after a made basket. So it was like no time out. Yeah, there's buzzer beaters where it's, you know, a 20 second possession and they hit a buzzer beater. This was truly like mayhem, no time to think run down the floor. Like when I watch my

YouTube compilations on March 1st, this one will be there forever. You do that? Yeah, buzzer beaters. You just pull it up? Yeah. How long is it? It's like five, 10 minutes. Similar to what Liam does with home runs. I do with buzzer beaters. Oh yeah, that's right. I forgot Bubba does that. He just pulls up some dingers. Yeah, I do the same with buzzer beaters. Won't do it this year. I also love, I love the pile on after fact. Yeah, you see that the student traction jumping on. Yeah. There were like nine guys that were all shirtless. Some of them, I think we're wearing just underwear in the stands and they just like stormed the court and created the pile and everyone was like, yeah, whatever. It's March. There was also some stolen Valor.

It looked like there was a couple guys in raincoats. Oh, yeah. Oh, really? Yeah, no, I like that. It spreads. Right. It does spread. Yeah. We can say Bubba. Also, by the time you're listening to this, the Wisconsin PMTV video will be out. It comes out tonight on Tuesday. It's very funny. No, it's good. Celebrating champion. Number one seed. Let's go. It's going to be great. It's going to be great. It is great. It was a very funny video, I think. I haven't seen any of the clips, but that that entire trip was just absurd. So I'm sure I'm sure Bubba got some great footage. All right. Good, good, hot sea cool throne, Jake and Billy and Hank and PFT. Let's get to JJ Redick. Great interview with him. He joined us in studio. All right. We

now welcome on JJ Redick. Great to have you in studio. It's brought to you by our friends at McDonald's All-American Tune In on March 29th. Girls' Game at 6.30. Boys' Game at 9pm. You were in the game in 2002. You led the East team with a big win at Madison Square Garden. Playing along guys like Carmella Anthony and Chris Bosch. This was the 25th annual version of the McDonald's All American Game, the inaugural girls' game back then. 2022 is also a big year. The games are back for the first time since 2019 and returning to their main host city of Chicago. Celebrating 45 years of legacy and commitment to high school basketball. Tune in March 29th, Tuesday, March 29th. The girls' game starts at 6.30. The boys' game begins at 9pm. Catch the game live on March

29th at Wind Trust Arena if you're in Chicago. So do it. Check it out. March 29th. Girls' Game starts at 6.30. Boys' Game starts at 9. There's nothing like McDonald's All-American where you get to watch a bunch of future stars ball out. Check it out. March 29th. 6.30pm and 9pm is the boys' game. It is JJ Redick, the old man in the three. Go listen to it now. He's wearing the hat everywhere. Fresh off of the legacy tarnishing loss by Coach K that he was at. What was it like to go to a funeral for a living person? Oh, man. I figured we would start here. The best is that JJ and I drove in together and we was very cordial and then it was just like, all right, camera's on. Okay. Coach K, huge bust. Overrated. Overrated. Well, no, I'm saying yesterday that's

going to be the lasting memory I think a lot of people have on them is him being like, hey, shut the fuck up student section. Where's my bench? Yeah. Sorry about the loss. Let me have my bench. The shitty part about it is that UNC fans will now for the next 40 or 50 years just they won't let us live this down. That's the shitty part. I mean, I still get shit from UNC fans because they won on my senior night. Oh, and in terms of scale, it's like my senior night Coach K's final home game. Right. So I can't imagine the amount of gloating that's going to happen. Well, it also was senior night, right? For the students that were there. They should get another senior night. Yes. Yes. They barely had senior night.

Realistically, though, like in all seriousness, I mean, I hate Duke. I hate Coach K, but I will allow you to tell us right now. Is he a good coach? Like, was he a good, best coach you ever had? He's the best coach I ever played for. High school, AAU, college, six, six coaches in the pros, I think. Yeah, he was the best coach I played for. He was the best coach I ever played for. I want to just say real quick, look, I know it was a shitty loss and it certainly dampened the night and the celebration. Not for me, but, you know, we came out to form that tunnel or whatever it was for him to walk out through all the former players. I think there was 96 of us there. I ended up, by chance, being next to Jay Williams and Lattener

in the tunnel towards the front of it. We went out, took a picture with Coach and we're walking up to our seats and Wojo turns to me. He's like, man, can you, can you believe how lucky we are? And look, everybody likes to shit on Duke. I get it. But I made that decision to go to Duke at 16 years old. It was the best decision I've ever made in my life. And I feel so lucky that I got to be part of the program. And truthfully, like, this is not a knock on anything Duke has done or anything that has happened in college basketball, but I got to be part of Duke when Duke was Duke. Yes. Prior to the one and done era. My draft class in 2006 was the first draft where high school kids couldn't come out. And so I feel like I got to experience the Duke that

Grant Hill got to experience, that Johnny Dawkins got to experience, that Elton Brand got to experience. Like it was just, it was a great four years. It was mental fuckery every day, but I loved every minute of it. So about that, the mental fuckery, because we, you know, obviously Coach K is probably the goat, John Wooden, whatever. We can have that discussion on first take with Steven A. You can have that next or later this week. What, like, what would Coach K do in terms of motivation that would sometimes you'd be like, man, is he fucking with us? Like is this, what is he doing right now? Cause it's a Bobby Knight school, school Bobby Knight, like hard, you know, hard coaching, I would assume. One of my teammates for three years

was Shavik Randolph. He was in my class and Shav had an up and down career at Duke. And one year, he got mono and missed a ton of time and never was really the same that season. But he had some flashes. He had a really good NBA career, played overseas, made a ton of money. But I think it was his sophomore year. We were in a team meeting and Shav had a bad game. And Coach said to him, Shav, you're never going to play in the NBA sun. You need to learn how to screw in light bulbs. Now for a lot of us were like, what does that mean? His dad had a janitorial staffing company. Like that's how deep, that's how deep these cuts were. The meanest thing Coach ever said to me was after my sophomore year, I had a terrible, I mean, I was 13, all American and second team all ACC.

I was our leading scorer on a final 14, but it was, I had a terrible season and I was jackass the whole year. I was out in the streets. I was living the life as a frat kid. I was not committed. I was very overweight. We had a series of meetings in April after the final four that year. He would make me come in every Saturday morning at 8am. And in one of those meetings, he said to me, we didn't win a national championship because you weren't worthy to be a champion. Oh, I still think about that. It hurts so bad. And truthfully, I made sure the rest of my career that a coach couldn't say that about me. It was a big moment. And he was right though. He was 100% correct. As a 19 year old kid to hear that though, man, it was so devastating.

It sounds like he's mastered the art of like when your parents tell you, I'm not mad, I'm disappointed, but he's also mad at you at the same time. He's like, I'm both mad and disappointed with you. Yeah. Maybe some of it is like a feeling of betrayal. I know that sounds weird. And looking back, I probably, I did. I betrayed him my sophomore year. I betrayed the program my sophomore year. By the way, it feels like the third time I've been on the show because you guys re-ran the Clippers video like a year after the fact that I was on the show and then it blew up and I'm like, I'm getting hit up on Instagram and Twitter and everybody's giving me shit. And I'm like, I didn't do an interview about the Clippers recently. Whoops. You know what,

though? Like I feel like we do have like a level of comfort with each other. And it sounds to me like you're still like, you're beating yourself up over your betrayal of coach K. He made you feel so bad about that that to this day you're like, I send, I can only beg for forgiveness. It's okay. I think, I think you overcame it. Yeah, I'd say so. I don't, you have to go through things in life, hard things, some of them self inflicted, unfortunately, to, to grow as a person and grow as a player. I wouldn't, I wouldn't change anything about my career. I could hope and wish for better results. I would have loved to have won a championship at Duke. That still hurts to be honest with you. It does hurt. I mean, I'm sitting there with

Lattener and, and, and J Williams and Shane, you know, these guys have won a championship at Duke. I didn't get to win a championship. And so that, that hurts. The fact I didn't win in the pros that will haunt me in some, in some fashion the rest of my life. I'll never get over that. I'll never get over that winning at Duke and I'll never get over. No, like, so how does that manifest itself though? Is it just a stray thought every now and then? Is it like, because, you know, we always say that players have this, but it, does it actually pop in your head on a random day? It's like, damn, that sucked. I think you're reminded of it. You're reminded of it at events like this, or people will talk about the, the five greatest Duke players ever. And like,

I sometimes, a lot of times actually get left off that list, which is fine. That's kind of crazy. I mean, I do, I do this on television with Steven A, where we, we have these debates and, you know, there's no way to really measure it. But had I won a national championship, you couldn't ever leave me off the top five Duke players ever. But because I didn't, you know, so it's stuff like that. The NBA stuff, look, I, I would have taken my career 10 times out of 10, if you had told me that, you know, at 13 or 14 years old that I'd play in the league 15 years and get, get to the playoffs, play in the finals and make the amount of money I did, score the amount of points I did, build the relationships that I would take it all. But it hurts, man. I, I don't

play, I never played basketball for all that stuff. Certainly the team building and the relationship stuff was a huge part of it, but I played basketball to win. Right. And, you know, I, I see a therapist, we, I talked to you guys before, last time I was on the show about that. And when I retired, one of the things we talked about was like that moment that we'd all, I'd always envisioned. You, you, you envision that moment. You're at game six, you're at home, there's 30 seconds left on the clock. You're up 11. You get a rebound, they foul. Everybody's realizing what is about to happen. You're going to win the NBA championship. And you look up in the crowd and you see your wife and your kids, you see your parents, you're hugging your teammates.

There's a hug, there's an embrace with the coach. Like you've envisioned, I've envisioned that moment so many times in my life and the fact that it never happened yet fucking sucks. Yeah. Coach K is there. He whispers in your ear, you're still fat. You bring up all of it. It's interesting to think about that because every sports psychologist will talk to you about the importance of visualization. Right. And if you visualize it so many times and then it just never happens or let's say, you know, you visualize hitting a three pointer and then you go out there and you have a bad night. It's almost like you're distrusting your own visualizations at that point. You're like, I lied to myself. I told myself this was going to happen. Well, that's fair. But I also think

if you're someone that is a dreamer and it dreams big at a high level, like I didn't, I never visualized myself scoring a basket in the NBA. I visualized myself playing in an all-star game or winning an NBA championship. I visualized being the all-time leading to score at Duke and getting my jersey hung in the rafters and sitting there and watching one shining moment on CBS. Like I visualize big things. Right. And so if you fail at those, like that's not the end of the world. It really isn't. You're visualizing huge things. Like I feel like I accomplished a lot in my basketball career and it's the same way now. We were having a long conversation on the car right over here, me and Dan were. And like I'm envisioning another big thing or another couple

big things. And those things take time, just as my career took time and the work put, you know, I've had to put in. But I don't, like now, truthfully, I said this somebody the other day, I used to, when I was a kid and even when I played, like I'm throughout the day, I'm visualizing, like you said, I'm visualizing hitting a three. I'm visualizing my footwork, my form, the arc of the basketball. I'd sit in bed at night when I was a kid and just think of basketball moves. And now I'm doing that with my golf swing and the ball flight. Nice. So it's like one, one obsession becomes another obsession. I do think you're being very hard on yourself. And I, I understand it. Like no, you are like your competitive nature. The reason why when you ever

talk to any athlete who did it at such a high level, it's like a blessing and a curse because the reason why they got to that high level is because they're obsession, they're competitive nature. And then the reason why they're hard on themselves instead of being like, I played in the NBA for what was 13, 16, 15, 15 years. Your top five Duke player in my book. That's, that's a fact that you should, you should maybe put that. Yeah. There you go. Hank's got it. But like you're being very hard on yourself where it's like only how many players win national titles, only how many players win, you know, NBA championships. It's, it's so, so small and you were so exceptional for so long. So cheer up. I will. I think it's the feeling.

To me, it's the feeling. It, you've had, I've had that, I had that feeling. You, you win game four on the road to go up three, one in a playoff series and you get back in the locker room. There's a feeling there. Right. You win an ACC championship. There's a feeling you go into Carolina on your senior year and you, you drop 35 on them, 24 in the second half, you walk off the court with a smirk. Like that's a feeling. So I've had a bunch of great feelings, that feeling of winning it all though. You know, I got to experience that in high school and an AAU when we won a couple of national championships, but to do it at the highest level, I didn't get to experience that. So I think part of it is like, yeah, I got to do some

great things. I got to be on some great teams, build amazing friendships, win a lot of fucking games, but did I miss out? Did I miss out on like the best feeling? That's a question. Well, are you fully retired? What if the box need, you know, a shooter here down the stretch? Joe Harris not coming back for the rest of the season. Yeah. You did say, so you were doing the broadcast of the Sixers game, whatever the time doesn't make sense anymore because we're going to run this on Wednesday, but a week ago ish and you said like, I'm so out of shape during the broadcast because they're like, Hey, could you get in there and maybe give them some minutes? How, how, how like bad would

it be if you, if you just went in right now and played an NBA game? Yeah. Like how bad, like would it injuries aside? You know, I'm not injured anymore, but it would be blatantly obvious that I did not belong on an NBA court within two or three possessions. And that's crazy to me. Like just that, how fast it's like you just retired, you know, seven months ago. And it's like, if you went on an NBA court, people are like, wait, that guy shouldn't be here. Calcourver said something great. He never officially retired. And a few months into the last season, into the 2020, 2021 season, he did an interview and they asked him about why, you know, he had announced or why he didn't come back. And he had this,

I can't, I'm not, I'm a butcher to quote, but essentially it was, I would never cheat the game. And Kyle knew and I, and I know what all goes into it. And so yes, teams called last summer, teams called around the trade deadline. Teams have called since, but I can't cheat the game. I know what I have to put into it to play and compete. And like, it's not that it's not something I want to, don't want to do or want to do. It's just, I'm retired. I left completely satisfied, completely happy, minus not winning a championship. And you're like, well, why don't you try? I'm like, I can't cheat the game. I can't cheat the game. I ask it just because, you know, the internet, we do it from time to time where we throw out stupid hypotheticals of like, oh,

like if we play, you know, could we score one point or that? And it's funny to hear from a fucking 15 year NBA pro who's been retired for seven months to be like, yeah, if I showed up on a court right now, I'd be like sticking out like a sore thumb. And then we have hypotheticals that go viral every now and then being like, could you score on LeBron? Yeah, I see those all the time where guys like, we're like, yes, definitely. If I played 40 minutes in an NBA game, would I score 20 points? Right. It's so funny. No. So could you score against LeBron? Right now? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, how many chances am I? You know, you're cheating the game right now. That's disrespectful. Also LeBron doesn't play defense. What needs to be JJ? Yeah, it's true. Late in my career. I tried.

You tried hard. The other thing too is again, people, Philly fans are the best. They're the best. And they've inundated my social media accounts with please come back, you know, this, this, you're better than this guy on the roster or whatever. You could really help us in the playoffs. And when I retired, people like you got a lot left in the like, I'm 30 fucking seven years old. My body, my body, my mind, my emotions were fucking fried. I had nothing left in the tank. I don't. I don't have anything left right now. I have nothing left in the tank. Tell us about it. We're 37 as well. It's kind of nice though, because you, you did go out at a place where like, you're still in that conversation of if a team is, you know, close to championship, they're just

like one piece. They're one JJ away from being a contender. And I feel like, and I'm joking about your defense because obviously that was what was discussed when you were coming into the league. It's like, well, he could be a good score potentially, but you might as well not have anybody out there on defense. And it's like that, that probably gave you some personal motivation because your defense is actually not bad. You get, you gave a lot of effort on defense. Yeah. I don't care what it says about your defense. It's not that bad. But it's not as bad as people were saying before you came into the league. I think you surprised a lot of people. And I think just like your style of play, you could probably play this year. You're hard on yourself, but I

think you bring JJ in for the playoffs. He's going to hit a couple of threes. Again, we've been talking about this for five or six minutes now, guys. I'm fucking retired. No, no. Would you say defense is the one part of basketball where like it really can come down to like, do you try hard at this or not? It's a very hard thing to measure. And I follow analytics. I read all the advanced stats. There's so many different ways to measure offense. Defense is complicated. It's very complicated. I'll give you an example. Like my last year in Philly, I basically played all my minutes with Joel. And at the end of the season, his defensive rating was 104.8, which means every hundred possessions on average, estimated this, you know, this is based on box four, estimated the Sixers

would give up 104.8 points per possession. My defensive rating was like 104.7. It was just below his. Now, are you telling me that the Sixers have a better defense when I'm on the court versus Joel? No. Advanced stats. There's a lot of guys that get a lot of deflections and steals because they have length, but they're like fucking matadors. They're chairs. Like they can't move their feet. They can't guard. What hurt me honestly on defense, like defensive concepts, team defense, being the right spot, I nailed it. I was right. And part of that was playing for Stan and him not allowing me to play early in my career. I couldn't play for him until I got all that stuff and was perfect at it. In terms of staying in front of guys, like I, that was never my issue.

My issue was I have a six, three wingspan on six foot four. I don't ever want to be taller. I just, I wish there was a drug, a pill you could take that gives me Rajon Rondo wingspan. Yeah. That's all I want. Yeah. I mean, it's, it's why it's become, I feel like 20 years ago was height. Now it's like everyone just, height doesn't really matter. It's wingspan. Like guys who have freaky wingspan, that's everything. Who's got the biggest wingspan? Dwight Howard. Actually, I actually don't know who has the biggest wingspan. Who's got the wingspan that when you played it, Draymond's a great example, Draymond's a great example though, because height wise, we just did the podcast with Draymond in January in person and there's a photo that we

posted and it's, he's maybe an inch and a half taller than me, but he's got a seven one or seven two wingspan. It's crazy. It's, it's, and he's one of 10 basketball geniuses, I would say, who are the other nine basketball geniuses? I'd have to, I'd have to look at every roster, but it seems like you've got a top 10 in mind if you're putting Draymond in there. I'll give you a couple. I'll give you a top five. I'll give you a top five. So Draymond, Chris LeBron, Rajon Rondo, and I'm going to, I'm going to go with a guy that Draymond mentioned on the pod and that's John Morant. I think John Morant's, he's already a basketball genius. Yeah. Cause when we talk about, when you play against certain players, you realize on every possession, whether it's offense or

defense, they know exactly what the fuck is going on. They know how to manipulate your defense and then they know exactly what you're running, exactly what you're looking for when you're on offense and they are smart enough and communicate well enough to take all that shit away. Is it, like I've always heard the, um, I think it was the Larry bird, like he always thinks three, three passes ahead. Is it that, do you feel that when you're playing a guy like that? It was like, they know, Hey, when they make this move, it's going to lead to this. And then, yeah, if you watch, if you watch Yokic play, if you watch LeBron play when they're on offense, they see everything and because they now have enough reps and because they're tall and they can

see, you know, not, not just see everything. Like I can watch film and I can see everything, but I'm six four again. They're tall. So they see over everything and they can anticipate. All right. If I bring this defender and kick it to that guy, there's going to be one defender on the backside, which means we're going to end up with a corner three or they're going to have to make a bad decision and not rotate to the better shooter who's in the slot and he's going to get a three and there's a hundred possessions roughly in a game. They do that on every fucking possession. That's crazy. So Chris Paul, basketball genius as well. A hundred percent. Yeah. Yeah. Was the smartest thing that you've ever seen him do on a court?

All the foul baiting stuff. Yeah. Who just, I hate. Everybody hates it. I mean, if you know the rules, you can get away with the rest of people to break them. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Again, I used the word manipulate when he, when he was on the podcast and he does, he manipulates basketball, he manipulates every possession. I think he was, we, we did our afterwards and he was kind of, not offended, but he was kind of taken aback that I would use that word because there's a connotation with manipulation. There's a connotation, but the definition of manipulation is like an artful skill. Right. Where you gain an advantage over someone and that's, that's what he's doing on a basketball court. That's what LeBron's doing on a basketball court.

Yeah. Manipulate. I can see it's kind of like implying like a dark art or like a little underhandedness to it. Yeah. He's disrupt. Well, because we, when we, when we, I'm sure we've all said this about someone in daily life, not on a basketball court, man, that person is manipulative and that carries a pretty bad connotation. Yeah. But on a basketball court, when you're manipulating a possession, there's an art, there's a skill to gaining an advantage. That's, that's what I mean. It's making, you know, he puts Chris Paul and James Harden and the like, you know, we complained about it, but I really do only blame the NBA and the refs because they're just using the rules for their benefit. Like they're putting the refs in a difficult

position like, Hey, you got to make a call here because this is as close as it could be to our foul or whatever it may be. I don't, it's, it's the rules that are the problem, not the players. Well, the, the one rule that they got rid of, there's a couple, there's a couple of rules that they've gotten rid of over the last few years. And one, or both of them really, I've had to guard as a defender and I've been taken advantage of. I've been taken advantage of. One is if you're guarding a guy that's a good shooter and you are, you are taught and the game plan is you're going to fight over the screen on a pick and roll or dribble handoff. And that guy, as you're fighting over that guy stops and jumps back into you. Yep. There's

no way you could stop, right? There's no, your, all your momentum is to chase him over that screen. And so now that's a non-shooting foul. I totally agree with that. And then the other one is, as a defender, you are legally allowed to, without extension, have your arm on a player's hip when you're, when you're guarding a dribble. And so James Harden is a perfect example. James Harden knows that. And so he's dribbling with his other hand and he takes his offhand. He goes underneath your arm and then goes to collect the ball and tries to shoot it. Right? So again, two things were taught as defenders and those guys figured out a way to take advantage of the system. Now those are non, and really the, the, the one, the, the arm underneath, they don't even call

anymore. That one was the worst. Which is again, it's a non-basketball play. So they don't even call it anymore. And really the chasing over screen, there's really nothing you could do. It is a foul. So you have to call it, but it shouldn't be a shooting. The James Harden move actually sounds like it should be a foul on James Harden to do it. Like he's, he's bringing your arm in with his arm. Yeah. Well, off the ball, I used to do that all the time. I mean, I, I, that's how I got free throws at Duke. I would wait till we were in the bonus. Also because the refs cheated. And they, well, I wouldn't, don't know about that, but you know, off the, off the ball, I'd wait till we get in the bonus. And when I saw six fouls and above, and we called floppy or any

catch and shoot action for me to run off screens, as soon as a defender would put his arm on me, I would get to the screen and then do the same thing. I'd put my arm underneath his arm. And it looked like he was holding me as I came off the screen. When I got to the NBA, all the refs would be like, I saw you fucking do that at Duke. I'm not giving you that call. They hated you too. They knew what basketball genius we missed. Is Kevin Durant a basketball genius? Oh, that's a good question. I feel like he is. Yeah. Yeah, he is. He is. A lot of guys that are basketball geniuses, this is going to sound so simple. They, they are obsessed with basketball and they watch basketball. That's, there's a lot you can learn. Like if, if I wanted

to be a movie critic, I would talk to a movie critic and I'd say, give me a hundred films to watch. Yeah. And I'd study those films and watch those films. And then by the end of that hundred, hundred watch viewing party, I could conceivably be a fairly good movie critic. That's where Kevin Durant, I think it's just watching basketball. Yeah. I think he out of anyone in the NBA right now, I think he loves basketball more than anyone. The way he talks about it. Yeah. The way he like, he'll even, you know, comment on Twitter, like guys who are doing stuff in AAU games that are not good for like their growth. You know what I mean? Like he is, he does feel like he loves basketball to such a level that you can just tell. The thing about him, he's a guy when he's

50 years old, he will be giving the next generation of players their flowers. Yeah. I don't see him being one of the haters. No. And there's a lot of guys right now that are saying that back to back MVPs would be a bench player in their era, which is insane. AI is the one guy right now that is up there really pushing the narrative for today's generation that they're good. Like for me, the guys that are coming in the league right now, Jalen Green last night is a great example. He's figured out how to play basketball skill wise though. I don't know if you guys watched the Houston Memphis game last night. I'm a sicko. So I watched the video. I missed that one. Yeah. But you know, he's doing things and he hit a big

shot down the stretch. It was, you know, using his dribble package and I'm like, dude, 19 year olds, 10 years ago could not do that move. Yeah. And so all these guys come in there way more skilled and they'll figure out through repetition, through film study, through coaching, they'll figure out how to play the right way. But I'm going to be a guy in 20 years. I'm going to be talking about how great that generation of players is. See, everybody says that. I don't, I don't believe that. It comes for everybody. Like being, you're going to be a boomer soon because it happens to all of us. And there'll be things that you can find that will be fun to hate on. But I think, I think you're right. Overall, you'll be more of a positive guy.

You want to acknowledge that you're a level head of dude. It sounds like you don't have like animosity towards the younger generation or anything. But I think it's just fun when you get older to complain about the way young kids are doing stuff nowadays. And on top of that, you say that now, and I believe you, because I do think that you're, you know, a reasonable, you're not going to just do a hot take, but in 20 years, there'll be people on Twitter, whatever the app is going to be, being like 2020, they were playing with janitors and plumbers because that's part of it too. You know what I mean? Like they make like a lot of the narrative is a pushback of Michael Jordan played against fucking like clowns, you know, or Larry

Bird played against, you know, and Magic Johnson played against guys who had a sales job in the summer, like that kind of stuff. So when that comes for you, I think you'll probably be like, wait, hold on a second. Michael Jordan had a great, had a great quote, and I'd never seen this clip before. I saw it on Twitter maybe two weeks ago, he was given an interview, and they were asking him about where he, this is prime Michael, this is 90s Michael. You could tell because he, you know, he had enough bone structure. It wasn't wizard's muck, you know, but he wasn't skinny like he was in the 80s. So it was like prime Michael. And they were asking him about where he sort of viewed himself amongst the greats. And he had a great quote. He said, look, I can't compare myself

to the guys in the 70s or the guys in the 60s. I didn't get a chance to play against them. I didn't get a chance to compete against them. It's very hard. And we do it. And I'm guilty of this because I work for a take machine. We inevitably compare players of different generations, different areas. And it's impossible to do it. It's impossible to do it. It's also like, but it's fun. Yeah. No, people get mad about it. And you know, people get mad like, oh, why do we have to have the hall of fame debate, all this stuff? This is just what sports fans do. We debate stupid shit. And at the end of the day, no one's ever going to change their mind fully, but we're going to be entertained by it because it's a fun hypothetical to talk about. I went on a long

rant on the podcast about the top 75 list. And did you think for a second, maybe you'd be on it? No, you're like 78, 79. Top 1000. No, but I wish the NBA had not included all 50 guys from the top 50 list. Oh, like people get relegated. Oh, I like this. I wish because I do think there were more players over the last 25 years by criteria, certainly by criteria, that should have been on that list. Dwight Howard's a great example. Dame, maybe. At the same time, we should be able to celebrate what players did in their era versus their peers. But when we talk about the skill, you can't tell me that Kairi Irving is not

a top 75 basketball player. Tracy McGrady was a person. Tracy McGrady, Vince Carter, like these guys are easily 75 of the best basketball players. Now, relative to what they accomplished in terms of all NBA stuff, championships, I get all that. But we should also contextualize the 50s and 60s when there were eight teams and when the Celtics had their run for a lot of those years, they got a first round buy. They played one series in the East and then they won the championship. Mickey Mouse championships. So this is how the league was set up back then. But let's just have that in the back of our minds when we talk about some of the accomplishments from that era. So it's gotten harder if you're a star player with 30 teams. And again, the 80s,

I think the 80s started out with 23 teams, 22 teams, something like this. It wasn't until expansion with Minnesota and Miami and Orlando. Vancouver. Shout out, big country. Then we got to 30 teams. So again, you can make the argument, well, the league's diluted. No, there's far more good basketball players today than there were 60 years ago. Yes, agree. I think that's fair. And I actually saw I caught a clip of you debating against Stephen who must be like awesome to work with as a debater. One of your first debates was like, do people fear LeBron James? And I was watching you. I was watching you try to have like a logical argument and a debate over whether or not people are afraid of LeBron James. And I was cracking up because like,

at some point, it sounded like you were trying to answer the question like, do people fear him in a basketball sense? Like, you don't want to play him in the playoffs? Are people like afraid that he will physically beat you up? But Stephen, it was like running circle because he kept changing he kept changing. He was talking when he first started because the whole issue was about Isaiah Stewart having a moment of rage and going ballistic and requiring six people to tackle him on a basketball court. So the first part of that debate, I thought we were debating the physical fact of LeBron. And then it became about the basketball on a basketball court, whether we feared somebody. So he just kept changing it, depending on my my take. Ultimately, I won that debate. There's no

question. How many what's your record right now with Stephen? Yeah. Um, I don't know, seven and no eight. No. Oh, wow. Can I can I give you a good one that we were talking about yesterday on the show? But I'm still waiting. I think I think there's something there with someone taking the alternative approach and saying Russell Westbrook actually needs the ball more. And like, he's not the reason the Lakers stink. It's actually they aren't featuring him enough. Throw that out there and see how it works. I bet you could find some stats. I don't hate that take. Yeah. I'll tell you why. So when the trade happened, when the trade happened, my immediate thought was like, huh, how's that going to work? Yep. LeBron's going to have the ball. They're going to feature AD in the

post. So you've got Russell Westbrook playing off the ball and he's a career 30% shooter from three. And I don't, I haven't looked at his stats in the last two weeks, like overall for this season. But there was a point in time in January where if you looked and you're like, all right, Russell Westbrook, he's shooting this from two. He's shooting this from three. He's turning the ball over this amount of times per game. Here's what his usage percentage was prior to this. Here's what his usage percentage is now. And you look at it and you're like, no, the Lakers got who they traded for. Like this is who Russell Westbrook is. So if you're not going to allow him to play to all have his strengths, which is be a ball dominant guard, what the fuck did you expect? Right.

What was going to be a role player? He wasn't going to be a spot up and shoot guy. Right. To me, look again, this is not, I'm not knocking Russ. What I'm saying is if I'm the Lakers and I'm looking at how to build around LeBron and AD and trying to win a championship this season, I would have taken a very different approach. Buddy Hilt. I don't know if it's Buddy, but I would have taken a different approach. Buddy was the name that everyone was saying. That sack deal was done. The sack deal was done. I mean, Kuzma was, Kuzma called Tyrese Albert and like, hey, guy, can't wait to be your teammate. Sacramento. Yeah, I'm there. Fun. Let's do it in and out. Let's do it. Yeah. Going to get back to JJ,

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everyone forgets, I always forget about the heat. Heat is the one seed right now. Yeah. The East is fascinating this year. So a lot of success in the playoffs is very much matchup dependent. And I got to see that throughout my career. There were certain teams that we always felt like this is a great matchup for us. There were certain teams where you knew it was going to be tough. And the further you go in the playoffs, it gets tougher and tougher because those teams are battle tested and clearly they're good enough to win. The East is very much seed dependent to me. And we're going to see some, I think, some fascinating matchups in the first round. Like I could envision a scenario where Chicago Bulls get the two seed

and they've got a dogfight against whoever wins the seven seed in the play. Yeah. Because that could be the Nets. Yeah. It might be the Celtics. And they could even be Toronto. Toronto Healthy is a really good basketball team. Nick Nurse is an outstanding coach. The Eastern Conference is fascinating. If you are asking who I think is going to win, everybody's healthy. And let's just say the two best teams in the Eastern Conference finals, to me, it's going to end up being the Bucks and the Miami Heat. And I think the Miami Heater, to me, are the best team in the East. Wow. The matchup dependent thing is so true. I remember specifically like learning that lesson, the famous Dirk Purse Warriors series. Remember

that? Was that a 1-8? That was a 1-8. And it was like, everyone in the world was like, no, no, this is going to be a problem. And then Dirk got, it was back when they gave the MVP out in the second round and he got the MVP after they had lost, had been bounced. That was like, oh, shit, like this is truly, it's not, it doesn't matter. Seeding, I mean, seeding obviously matters in the NBA because it does feel like the high seeds usually advance, but matchups are so, so important. So why are the Heat the best team in the East? Like in your in your mind, watching them? To me, they're the most complete team. And again, this is health, like I would love to see the Bucks with Brook Lopez, he gives them something,

especially defensively that they don't have right now. And Bobby Portis has had an outstanding season. And the fact that he's making whatever he's made 4.8 million and averaging 15 and nine as a starter, that's incredible value for them. And he's had a great season. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Pat Connaughton's been hurt. The Heat have, to me, the most versatile five men. And we saw this last week against the Bulls, where Bam can sit there and play drop coverage very well. And they can stay at home on shooters and allow the pick and rolls to operate as a two versus two thing. He can hedge out and play really aggressive, almost in a blitz. And their entire defense is very, very much like a swarming defense. We saw that

against Philly the other night when they just harassed Joel Embiid. But against the Bulls, he would switch on to DeMar. And he can guard him one on one. He can guard guys one on one. So it starts with him. They've got big wing defenders, Jimmy Butler, P.J. Tucker, obviously. They've got an abundance of shooting. Duncan, Tyler Hero. Duncan's kind of like a... Max Cruz, Gabe Vincent. Yeah, Duncan. He hasn't really shot this week. I wouldn't put him in abundance of shooting this year. Let's just say he's more of a podcaster. Yeah. Yeah. The guy really needs to stop podcasting and just work on his game. Yeah. No. And then you need shot creation. And they,

like they have two guys that can create their own shot. And by the way, I didn't even mention Kyle Lowry, who's a champion, had a huge game six when they closed out the Warriors, elite charge taking machine. Like they've just, they've got everything. They've got the culture. They've got the coaching. I think Spose, one of the two best coaches in the league, along with Tyrone Lew. Really? I like their team a lot. No problem. Ty Lew, number one. Did I say that? So what about, Zoey, it sounds to me like you're saying that even everybody's healthy, vaccination status, copacetic, the Nets are just not going to do it this year. I, I just, again, it's, it's like with LeBron or with Kevin Durant, even Steph,

it's hard to count one of their teams out. So it's hard to say like, I don't see the Nets. I could see the Nets winning these for sure. There's just so many question marks, including Ben Simmons health. If Ben Simmons is healthy and he's playing the five, he's able to switch, disrupt on defense, be a playmaking five down the stretch and pick and roll with Kevin and Kyrie. They have, they have shooting, like even without Joe Harris, Patty Mills has been great. Like I could see them making a run for sure. But I think the heat is the most complete. The heat is the team to me, health aside, where I'm like, that team has the least amount of question marks to me. Right. Here's another take that you can use. I think

Kevin O'Connor is also on this too, but we've been saying for the last couple of years, Ben Simmons is actually right-handed. He just doesn't know it yet. I've told Ben that. Have you? Yeah. What do you say? He disagrees with me, but when I watch him right, he does it with his right hand. If I asked him to throw, he would do it with his right hand. If, even when he jumps, I think about most, a lot of his, not all of them, but a lot of his dunks, he jumps off his left foot. Yeah. Like that's what a right-handed person does. Wait. So I've watched him shoot and the form is more, more resembles a, a proper shot than, than with his left hand. So we were just saying that because he's so bad with his left hand that he must be right. But you're saying there's

actually like an element of truth to that, that he writes right-handed. I think he's a right-handed person that shoots the basketball left-handed. That's so weird. Yeah. Why was, why was, DeAndre Jordan was the same way. I used to tease DeAndre about this. Like we used to go when I first got to LA prior to kids, DeAndre would, would always invite me over after practice. So he lived in the Palisades and there was this, there was this canyon below his house. And if you hit it across the can, like if you hit a driver, you, you would hit it into Ben Affleck and Jennifer Garner's house. So we tried not to slice it with our driver, but he, he would, we would hit the balls down into the canyon and he swings a golf club right. Like he's

right-handed. He swings a golf club right-handed. That's crazy. Yeah. He got a letter by the way from the home, homeowners association down there telling him not to stop, continue to continue to hit golf balls. You're hitting cars, houses, horses. There's horses down there. Amazing. Amazing. All right. So West, real quick. Obviously Chris Paul is a genius, like you said, but he chokes in the playoffs. So that will be a, what? What? He chokes in the playoffs. Give me, what's an example of that? Looking back on the last 13 years. Yeah, 13 years. 14. Look, you guys have some, some intentional and some unintentional. You guys have a lot of bad takes. That's just a bad take. It's a bad take. Prove me wrong. Okay. How many titles?

Well, again, we're, it's this easy PFT sometimes. We're going to teach you how to podcast. You want to live in this ring culture. Oh yeah. You want to live in this ring culture. Oh, you got a ring in the ring culture. Chris Paul does not have a ring. That's interesting. Last year in the playoffs, just dismantling the Denver Nuggets in the second round. Oh, was that the, oh, that was the second round? Second round. They were playing the MVP. He won the MVP like last year. Yolkich. Got it. Oh, the second round. And then they won the Western Conference Finals. I don't know if you remember that. And then so they must have won the title. Well, they, they were up to Oh, they were up to Oh, and then Oh, and then Yannis went crazy. And by the way, like I got into this debate with

Stephen A when he was talking, I can't remember what his take was on something. He like, it was like a take within a take. And we think about last year's finals. It literally came down to two plays Yannis's block, which was one of the greatest basketball plays I've ever seen. And then Devon Booker getting stripped. And that was, I think that was game five. Yannis's block was either game three or game four. That series could have easily been in the sun's favor. If it was three, nothing sun. And what is, what do those things have to do with Chris Paul? So what are those things? By the way, I played with Chris Paul in the playoffs. Yeah. You know, game, game seven against the Spurs were playing the defending champions, the hardest series

of my career by far. He hits the game winner over the outstretched arms of Tim Duncan. The year we lost to Utah, Blake gets hurt. We're up to one, Blake gets hurt in game three. And Chris just dominates that series. It was at no fault of his that we lost that series. Like, he shows up. He shows up. I think one of the issues with Chris is like Chris in the playoffs, like, so Chris is very much like a 12, 20 and 10 guy, right? And probably in the playoffs, most series, he's going to give you 20 and 10. And you can find examples where he did, right? Whatever. But the stats are always there. The numbers are always there. The play is always there. What, what maybe gets missed at times is like the Yannis 50 ball

in game six. Like Chris, Chris, Chris doesn't have the supernova. And some of that is because of the way he plays. And he, he talked about this in the pod, like his whole mindset is, I'm going to get my guys going. I'm going to facilitate. I'm going to look to pick my spots. And then when he gets to the fourth quarter, it's, it's takeover time. And he does that. Here's the thing with Chris Paul. I have nothing against Chris Paul. I, what you, and when you podcast long enough, you'll learn this sometimes takes. How long have you all been podcasting? This, we've been doing this one for six years. I've been podcasting for six years too. What? Yeah. I started February, 2016 guys. Thanks. Who listened?

A lot of people actually. Wait, you started at the same month that we did? Wow. Really? Well, I was podcasting before that too. But anyway, when you, what, once you become a seasoned vet like us, sometimes takes are created off of other takes. And our Chris Paul take is mostly based on the fact that Ryan Russell did a weird rant where he said he wanted to adopt Chris Paul as his son. And then we had to be like, now you're, he's a choker. So it's like, when other people invest in a take, then it goes wrong. Then you have to like, double down on top of them. Right. So you guys are just, you're looking for the anti-take, the, the, just going against somebody else's take, even if the, even if that person's, well, that take doesn't make a lot of sense.

Yeah. He wants to adopt. Our take just becomes a vehicle and a way for us to make fun of our friend Ryan. Correct. And so we don't care whether or not it's true. We just know that every time that we bring it up, it makes Ryan feel smaller. And we'll add you to this as well. So when Chris Paul chokes in the playoffs this year, you will be added to this take. You will be on the bus with Ryan. See how it works. How many rings does he have though? See, that's always a trump card. It's so frustrating. It's so dumb, but it's so fun to do. It's like rings.

Well, the funny thing is like Yanis, like Charles Barkley, right? Charles Barkley. Zero rings. No rings, right? But 93 finals. Go look at his box scores. You know, go watch those guys. What hurt them in that series, they had zero rim protection. I went on this deep dive of watching all these old Michael Jordan YouTube clips during the pandemic. It was actually before the last dance started airing. I got on this whole rant one night, not rant, but this whole like rabbit hole of just Michael Jordan big games. And it ended with me watching a bunch of highlights. And it's just amazing to me the ease at which

he got to the rim in that series. There was, I mean, Tom Chambers would be standing, not even verticality jumping, just standing underneath the rim while Jordan laid it over. You're doing the thing. You're doing like Jordan played against plumbers. Yeah. Oh, it is. You just did it. I'm doing the thing where I'm talking about the fact that Charles Barkley also dominated that series and ended up without a ring. Yeah. Okay. Because he was going against Jordan. But he's a bust because he lost. Right. Chris Paul came for in the finals was not great. Okay. I think the problem is he was, uh, he was hard and adjacent for a long time

and watching those guys in the playoffs, it was like we took a sick, weird pleasure and knowing that James Harden was going to do something weird in the playoffs and not show up. So having Chris around that and in that like universe, he kind of, he got a little bit of that hard and hate like residually put onto him by us. Does that make sense? Okay. That makes sense. That makes sense to a degree. And we took Blake's side in the breakup. Yeah, that's it. Well, that I see that's now we're talking. Yeah, it's starting to come out a little bit. Yeah. Listen, I get it. Once you start to actually peel back the audience, all of our takes are just very personally motivated. Who are our friends? I know I,

I went on a rant about the Kings trade, uh, when they traded Tyrese Halliburton and Tyrese is my guy and he's 21 years old and he's done some things already in his career. We're like players in the NBA who have done this, this and this by age 20 guards in the NBA have done this, this and this by age 21. It's like Tyrese Halliburton. He's the list. Right. And the Kings trade, I thought he was a stupid trade, right? Again, now all of a sudden I'm like saying that Darren Fox and subbonus suck. I'd ever said that they're good basketball players, but if you're the Kings and you're 22 and 41 trading Tyrese Halliburton for the subbonus is not going to move the needle one way or the other. It's not going to move the needle. Whereas I think if you keep a 21 year old

guard that's under a rookie scale contract, it's probably a better move for the long term. Yeah. That's all. Yeah. No, it's a fair point. I've got to take up and nesting on for a while. Curious to hear what you say because you brought up YouTube earlier and how you were watching Michael Jordan, some of his old games on YouTube. I feel like kids today, the guys that are coming into the NBA, the younger guys actually have a big advantage over players 10, 20, 30, 40 years ago because they have this enormous archive of footage that they can watch that they can slow down. They can learn different moves like you were talking about some of the rookies coming to the league that have just incredibly technically sound handles already. I feel like YouTube has

actually done a great job of preparing kids for, well, just to like build off of what has been done before them. Whereas if you wanted to learn those moves beforehand, you had to go to summer camp. You had to have like make sure you had a school that had a good basketball coach. You had to make sure that you were playing against great competition all the time. Now you can go online. You can watch some of the greatest players. You can break down their dribbling in like, you know, super slow motion. You can just work on it, work on it, work on it on your own. Whereas previous generations weren't able to do that. Yeah, I used to have to, I mean, if I wanted to watch Reggie Miller come off screens,

I would have to tune in on Sundays on NBC because we didn't have cable for most of my childhood. And I would record games on VHS and I would have to hit play rewind. And now it's just you type it in YouTube and watch 20 videos on something. People teach you. The other thing, the other thing too is when I was, when I was in high school, I had a key to the gym and I would go before school and I would shoot by myself. I'd rebound for myself and I'd spin the ball out and work on my footwork and shoot. I'd, you know, I'm going to make whatever, 10 shots from 17 feet, spinning the ball, right, left footwork, pull up, right. Jason Tatum had Drew Hanlon when he was 13 years old. Like the amount of resources, this is why I say like, I'm acutely aware of this,

the information, the video, the resources, players are only going to get better. I'm not going to be the 50 year old guy ranting about how guys suck. They're only good because they have the internet, JJ. That's what I'm trying to get you to say. JJ Reddick played against a bunch of podcasters. That's what they're going to say. The content creators. Right, exactly. All right, so who's winning the West? We'll wrap up in a second, but who's winning the West? Phoenix. Phoenix is, I mean, again, this is... Chris Paul choking aside. Health.

Oh, it's just the West, not the finals. We have the finals. Yeah, right, right. He can feel the finals. Phoenix. Phoenix. There's more wild cards to me in the East than there are in the West. But if I look at the Western Conference, Draymond Green is a wild card. It's very clear and obvious that for Steph to be at his best and for that team to function at their best, Draymond Green is the piece. They need Draymond to be 100 percent offensively, defensively, all that stuff. Most important player in the Warriors. And then the other wild card to me, my expectation is that Kawhi is not coming back for the Clippers.

Let me just say that. I forgot about Kawhi. Yeah, let me just say it. I don't think he's going to come back this year. So the other one to me is Jamal Murray and Michael Porter Jr. Because Yochich, I think the three best players in the league this year have been Yochich, Joel, and Yanis. So yeah, he's on the list again. Hey guys, I'm going to have to leave some people out. The three most dominant players in the league are those three guys. Yeah, they're on the next tier guys. I haven't changed that take for a long time. Okay. All right. Yochich has carried that team. If they get those two guys back and those guys are

90 percent to 100 percent, they have a decent chance. Yochich is that good. He's that good. So the West is fascinating too because you have, like the East has some really great teams, and the West has some teams where it's like, what if Jamaran goes crazy? What if Luca goes crazy? How much of the NBA can it really be like as simple as like, hey, if you have the best player in the series, like you can win it just because they can just go, they can just be that good and that much better. I think you just said it. Yeah. It's that simple. It's that simple. It's who is the best player in the series and that team has a great chance to win. Yeah. Again, you're talking about a seven game series. It's very different than college basketball.

There's much more of a variance in college basketball because of that. If I go nine for 18 against LSU, we win that game by 20 points. Right. If I have an average shooting night, I had a astronomically below average shooting night. I almost shot three for 18. That's good that you're over that. Yeah. I'm just, I'm providing examples here. I'm providing examples. So, and yeah, in the NBA, it's like who has the best player in the series. And that's why a lot of people when they, when, but when they, when they get to the playoffs or even when we talk about this 65 games in the regular season, you're like, I don't see that team win at all because what series are they going to have the best player? But I think with like Miami,

there's certainly going to be some series where they don't have the best player in that series in the Eastern Conference. I'm okay with that. I really am. Jimmy Butler is a top 10, 15, 20 player when he's at his best. Yeah, I'm going to need you to narrow that down just a little bit because this has been a debate in the six years we've been doing this podcast. PFT doesn't think Jimmy Butler's a top 20 player. No, now I do. And I think it was 15. I think that was the first one. 20. I think there's 15. Let's, let's say 15 to be fair. Yeah. 15 to be fair. Yeah. Agreed. Agreed. Agreed. So there's, but there's going to be some series in the East when it goes against, let's say he played against the Nets. Right. Right. When he plays against this version of Damar,

maybe the Heat don't have the best player, but do the Heat have the best team? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So Suns, Heat, I love it. All right. I had one last question. It is a rowback question. Put in promo code take. You get 20% off your first purchase. They make the best performance Q-zips and hoodies. It's all that we wear. And for our guest today, we'd like to gift you a rowback performance hoodie on us. So go to RHOBACK.com. Use code take for 20% off your first purchase. All right. My last question. Wait, hold on. Can I just say something real quick? We do have Q-zips for you. I, I just want to say this is organic, by the way. This is organic. It's not often that I'm on a show or that I do a show where I can cosign on a promo.

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or is it? No. Okay. All right. I'm reading your face. Do you give us an honest opinion on Duke's chances to win the title in Coach K's last year, even though his legacy has already been tarnished by that loss on Saturday? Their chances are good to be a regular season champion of a power conference. Not co-champion, but full champion. Doesn't matter. You can share it. No, I just want to make sure we're specific. Full champion. Well, co-champion fine. Yeah, exactly. I agree. No, to, then you, then you have a chance to win it all. Again, the variance in college basketball, it's very hard to predict things in college basketball, but I like their chances. Here's a question. If they win it all, does that take away from the fact that Carolina won? Is that like,

is that worth more? That's a great question. That is a great debate to have because the correct answer is like, obviously, yes, that's great to win a championship going out. But to then, see, you've been hanging out around Steven A. Smith. You can tell, like, I still am going to remember Coach K yelling at the student section after the loss. He didn't yell at the student section. Oh, he said, he said, he said, he said, shut the fuck up. You moron. I want to get my bench. Your dad is about to talk to you. You're going to fucking listen up. Take heads. Yeah. That's what I heard. Yeah. UNC would mean more. Miami going to Cameron would mean more when you missed your free throw. JJ missed a free throw. Oh, yeah. Add a game this year. They asked me to,

they asked me to shoot the free throw again at the UNC game. And I said, no. And then I was like, can you get Grant to do it? He hasn't done it yet. But I think Grant had a contract, contractual obligation with Turner. He can't do anything for ESPN, ESPN games. So he couldn't do it. So Grayson shot it and he made it, which was great. But you missed yours. I missed mine against Miami. Here's the thing about that free throw. So my family lives in Raleigh. My parents and two of my sisters, my other two siblings are out in Denver, but I had flown in the night before, spent some time with my family all day. I probably had drank three or four IPAs starting around one o'clock. And by the time I was out there getting ready to shoot that free

throw, there was, I'm not saying I was buzzed, but some people are saying that it's definitely very relaxed, emblematic of the drinking culture surrounding Duke. Oh, hard play hard. There's just been a lot of, a lot of controversies. Have you got a chance like, have you talked to John Shire? Oh yeah, yeah, John and I talked. So you're confident like, okay, he's the guy correct going with him instead of Tommy Amaker, who also got off for the job. I'm not going to say one or one is correct or one is not correct. I would say just in terms of John, I think he's going to do a great job. I'm very, very confident. He's shown he can recruit. He knows the game. He's played the game at a high level. Brotherhood. Um, no, I'm all in. I'm all in. I'm all in. I know he's part of the

brotherhood. I'm all in on John, the Duke brotherhood. We heard about it all Saturday. I actually don't hate John Shire, which is, it's going to take some time. Chicago guy. Yeah, I'm going to have to, I'm going to have to like build up the hate. I eventually will get there. It's going to take a while. John Shire's face aside, because he made some faces when he played at Duke in action, not, not his general face. His general resting face is totally fine. But those faces he made aside, he's a very easy guy to root for. Yes. He's one of the nicest kids I met when I was, when I would recruit, you know, when I was at Duke, I hosted all the recruits. He's one of the greatest guys I ever met as an adult. He's just, he's mild mannered. He's humble.

He's hard to, he's hard to root against. He's not, he's not in the line of the Duke scumbags, the late nerds, the reddix, the reddix, the Grayson Allens. Like he's not in that line of scumbags. He's more, he's like Mike Dunleavy. Mike Dunleavy, no one really hates Mike Dunleavy. Which is funny, because Mike Dunleavy is a dickhead. Right. But really, no one really hates him the same way. Yeah, that's true. Josh McRoberts doesn't get that, because he changes look when he got to the NBA. I hate, yeah, the plumbly skid hate, because the... Right, Josh, Josh grew his hair out. There's a few years there where he looked like the, the white version of Jesus.

Kyle Singler had the hair at Duke. Yeah, Kyle Singler hated him as much. I feel like Wojo would have gotten more hate if he was better. Like if he had made it to the NBA and really like, and stuck around for a while, because like he was... He was, he was annoying. He was annoying as fuck when he was at Duke. He was like the king of slapping the floor. Yeah. He was that guy, yeah. I did, I forgot one last, last question. Were you shocked that Zion wasn't there, considering there was a free buffet? You know what's funny? So a lot, I'll give props to Grayson, because he played yesterday, afternoon. Like Grayson showed up to the game, shot the free throw, made the free throw,

something I could never accomplish. But mostly, it was, it was the four-year guys. And a lot of those, obviously a lot of the one-and-done guys are in the NBA currently playing. Zion went to church yesterday, so he probably had to get up early to go to church. So again, I wasn't surprised. There weren't many one-and-done guys over there. No Kyrie. No Kyrie. No Kyrie. Would you guys, does it get like clicky at all when you get together for these types of reunions? Like are there, are there different like groups that hang out? Yeah, there are. Who's your clique? That's a good question. Dunleavy for sure. Dun-Dun. Mike's probably my closest friend that played at Duke. Yeah. Yeah. So Dunleavy, like after the game, there's a guy, Kevin Marchetti,

he was a manager at Duke. He's a big dick. He started some companies. He probably got a B next to his bank account. Oh, shit. Great dude. So that's how they're getting there. But he flew, he flew in, he flew in from the Bay with, with Bob Myers and Mike. So after the game, I went and watched the Lakers, Golden State game with Bob and Mike and Wojo came. And so we had that little crew. But when we got in the room, that room I was telling you about, we got in that room before the game, there's a hundred dudes in this, you know, room in the back hallway of Cameron. They had some beer for us and everybody's kind of saying hi to everybody else. It was definitely clicky. And it was based on obviously your era. Right. Who you played with. You know,

you had the, you had the 2000 guys, you had the 2010 guys, everybody was kind of, the walk-ons, all the white walk-ons were hanging out. And then, and then you had the floaters. The floaters were mostly the, like the early 80s guys, you know, the first coach K teams. Yeah. I can't tell you their record. Nobody really knows any of their names. Those guys were, were walking around the room. They started it off. They started it off. Yeah. They look at you like you're their sons. I'm the father of this program. It was, it was inaugural. It was amazing. It was just that, that whole experience. And look, it sucks that they lost, but that whole experience was, was sick. Yeah. It was a great night. It was a memorable night. It was a memorable. It was. It was a very

memorable night. All right. JJ, thank you. Old man in the three with our good friend, Tommy Alter. We got to have you back on for NBA playoffs too, because this was awesome. We appreciate it always. I'm down to come on the show whenever you guys want. Okay. I'm happy to talk playoffs. Let's do it after Chris Paul Chokes again. I can't wait. Yeah. I can't wait till we get to playoffs and we do this. And you guys are just providing me with just horrible tape. Oh yeah. You know, it'll be great though. Like once, once you get signed by the Nets, we'll have you on after you guys get bounced in the first round. Deal. Promise. Deal. We could, we could like, you could literally just, we just do a take school for you. Like here, here's, here's everything

we got thinking right now. I actually, I actually would like that. I would like that. It's just really, you guys come up with eight to 10 takes next time on the show, eight to 10 NBA. We just turn our brains off and just think of like what the dumbest thing possible. And a lot of them we believe, but I do believe Chris Paul is a choker. I'm well aware that you believe in terrible takes. Every team should have like an AJ 10 days that lines them up in a hotel room after a series. That's what started the suns. Like these are, these are the takes that we think of. Yes. Yes. All right. Thanks JJ. JJ was brought to you by sling. We love sling TV here at Barstool. And the final coach prime episode is tomorrow night. Watch it on sling. If you're worried about where

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positive vibes hat. Positive vibes only hat. The logo hoodie. The blue logo. Yes. The logo. Yeah, the logo hoodie. That's a good one. My boyfriend and I have been dating for about three months now and are going on a 14 hour road trip. What are some topics you do or rather do not recommend us discussing so that this isn't the last road trip we take where both listeners of the show and will potentially be listening to this during the drive. Okay, you should do an animal draft at, at football positions. That killed about four hours of the trip at least, right Billy? It was a good one. And there was also the other game where you pick a person you all know and try to guess who that person is. Yeah, the 20 questions game. Exactly. Yeah, that was a good

one. Both solid uses of time. Billy botched the first overall pick in the draft by taking a Barbary line at quarterback. That was dumb as shit. He's the leader. Gorilla was still on the board. I, you got to just have a fire playlist. It's all about the playlist. Get the best songs. What should they do right now if they're driving and listening to this? Uh, you can play the, you play the, you can blow your horn game. Remember, we saw some guys that were doing that every single car that they passed on the way from, it was from Madison. It was Madison to Indianapolis. To Indy. There was one guy who was probably like 30 years old rolling down his window trying to get all the truckers to blow their horn. Some fun stuff. This guy's

stuff. Yeah. I always feel like there, there was like an old story where that's like a gang initiation where they like wait for someone to do that and then take them out. That's the flashing lights thing. Yeah. I'll never do that to anyone. Just in case. I also, when I'm on like a road, a long road trip, if you're on a long road trip, like a couple people, like maybe two, maybe not three. Uh, like those longer, um, story type podcasts are really good where it's like you can do like a six part series one where like, all right, let's just hammer this out. It's kind of like you're binge watching something, but you're just listening. Yeah. I think I did that one time with, uh, it was the Charles Manson thing. Yeah. It was like 12 episodes.

Yeah. So it's like eight hours. Yeah. You feel like you're in a story and you have to focus or you can do a book on tape and you'll be like, I read something on the way. That's lame. All right. This one is, it's, it reads to me as if it's fake, but it's so inconsequential that I feel like it might be real. Does that make sense? Yes. Hey, PMT boys, smiley face. I recently started seeing this guy and I thought things were going great until my best friend saw him in a parking lot late at night making out with another girl in his Jeep. She did get a pick and it ended up being his ex. What do I do? I love it. Like making out in a Jeep. That sounds fake, but also like if you're going to fake something, I feel like you would say something more controversial,

which then makes me think it's real. Big time high school vibes. Yes. I think the person that wrote this is probably like 16 or 17 years old. You got to make out with his best friend. You got slash the tires. Oh, of the Jeep. Do you want to finish that? Cause that's a good segue. Okay, go ahead. Can I egg my ex-boyfriend's house or what is an alternate form of revenge I can take? He really fucked me over. I'm assuming this is his parents' house? Is this also high school? No, I even like it better if it's like an adult egging another adult male's house. That's awesome. Yeah, that's cool. Yes, you should definitely do that. TP is free to tell his mom. Yeah, that gets that's fucked up. That's a that's a great piece of revenge right there. If a guy

cheats on you, tell their mom, get in touch with them on Facebook and be like, Hey, your son cheated on me. Yeah. And mom or sister. Yeah, mom will take your side. That's evil, Billy. That's fucked up. That is fucked up. I feel like you've had your mom told. That's cool, dude. Chill, chill. All right, chill. How many times has a girl contacted your mom, Billy? Not to say that you were cheating, but you're like, see you were alive. Chill, chill. All right, chill. Once. But more like three times. Chill, chill, chill, chill, chill. These are kind of all of us. We have some random ones and then there's another like clearly fake

one. We've been out of practice. Where did you like me to go? I'm okay with a clearly fake one. All right. Hey, big kitty, hunk and PFT bag. Hate to all the other boys also. My boyfriend and I have been together for two and a half years now. We moved in together almost a year ago and things have been fine. Nice place. But the first problem came with our view. Our apartment window has a view facing other units in our complex. So you can see into other living rooms when the blinds are not closed. Anyways, a couple of days ago, I noticed a girl in her living room checking on my boyfriend as he was walking through a living room nude in the morning for some reason. Since that time, I've seen her check him out whenever the blinds

are open and they happen to be looking out the window at the same time. A few days ago, she knocked on her door and when he answered the door, she kissed him and gave him a piece of paper that had her apartment number and phone number. I want to do something with this info knowing that our lease is up soon, so I won't see her again. What should I do? Egg her house. Egg front door in the hallway. They live in the same apartment. This is very clearly fake. I don't know. If they didn't see the girl. The kiss? Like you just open the door and kiss and then hand a note? Yes. I think we've all, I think a lot of people have been corrupted by terrible Netflix shows where like this is how love happens. You see somewhere. Yeah, important.

I would say this sounds more like the start of like a Netflix murder show. Yeah. Where she comes over, kisses, leaves the number. Taking my shot. Then they get together and she stabs him in bed. Yeah. Have you been watching you? I haven't no. Oh, what's that? It's a Netflix show you. It's pretty good actually three seasons. I won't say anything else, but it's that's very similar to something that would happen there. Sup Owen, this is a little higher education, but it's a good one. Sup handsome Hank, big cat, PFT, Jake and wild Bill. This is for higher education. My roommate has smoked all of us down the entire year without asking us to pay for weed. I love that phrase. He has always said, don't worry about paying him, but he lately has been giving us subtle hints

to have us pitch in. I'm a broke college student and don't have enough money to fully supply his weed cache. What is a nice way of saying thanks for letting us smoke your weed, but I can't pay you. Just buy him shitty weed. Thanks boys. Keep up the sick content. The highlight of my week is listening to the pod on my way to class. Just buy him shitty weed. That's that's step one. But I was confused. I was thrown off right off the bat because when you said that he that you've smoked him down, I would assume that the person that's smoking somebody down is just like smoking their weed. Smoking somebody up is like, if I smoke you up, big cat, I'm getting you high. If I smoke you down, I feel like I'm smoking your weed away from you.

But that's the opposite of what he's saying, right? Yeah, that's the opposite. So he's saying that like, how do you repay a guy that let's smoke? Let me smoke you down. The guy that's been the provider of the weed. You gotta clean his bong. And yeah, you gotta clean his bong. Maybe do like a gravity or no, what are they called? I would say you gotta suck his dick. Yeah. Build him a gravity bong. Build him a gravity. I made this for you. Yeah. You know how like some sororities do that where they decorate the other guy's cooler when they go on a date? Yeah. Build him a gravity bong that you decorate with things that remind that remind you of them. In my days of being a broke college student trying to smoke when it was really dark times,

we would do this thing called a graveyard blunt where you would just take all the roaches and break those down and roll something up. And like scrape the bowls. Yeah. Yeah. Like resin, resin, resin bowls. So maybe that's something, you know, you take all the stuff you've already smoked and give them a little present. Like here's a little graveyard blunt. Oh, yeah. Here's all the shit that's just been sitting in the bottom of your bong and bubbler. Well, no, but the THC does get to the bottom of this. So it's like, it can be a potent, it can be a potent, a potent little stick. Is that true or is it just like people say that? Like actually this resin right here is super potent. I have no idea if it's true. I've always believed it though, because like they say

the THC goes down to the bottom. So like that's why when you smoke a little roach, you get just as high as smoking a big joint. Maybe that's placebo. I've always believed it and I will continue to believe it no matter what anyone tweets at me today. Well, remember also all high facts. Get ahead of it. Get ahead of it. All high facts were created by one high guy who then told another high guy and then it just became a fact. There needs to be like a scientific website out there just for stoners to like put their evidence, like of all the high facts they've come up with. Yeah. Well, just think about the idea of like when you attained that knowledge was when you were high from a guy who also was high and he's like, dude, did you know this?

Best way to pass a drug test, actually don't exercise for the week leading up to it because the THC is stored in the fat and it'll leak into your system if you burn off too much of it. Basically, Billy. Yeah. Yeah. If steroids were marijuana. We'll end with one, you know, high hypothetical here or high question. It seems like how come when I drink beer, it's pea colored, but when I piss it out, it turns clear. And I have rid of filter. Get there. Get there, Billy. Get it. It's a deretic. Alcohol is a deretic and why it dehydrates you is because it flushes all the liquid in your body out through your piss. So even though it may seem like it's hydrate. Also,

it's like Kirby. Bam. It's like a snowball. How you like them apples? It's just like our boys wicked smart. It gets all your liquid out faster. Hell yes, Billy. It's a diuretic. Deretic. Yeah, I thought it was diuretic too, but I'm gonna let him go. I'm not gonna. Whatever Billy says, it's fine. Listen, you were in the zone there. It's like cranberry juice. That's chill. Chill PFT. That's actually like the perfect Billy thing to answer a question completely correctly, but also just butcher the pronunciation. I love it, Billy. You were in the zone. You popped up there. I never knew how to pronounce that word because I only read it. We're not a big pronunciation podcast. We're not a big facts podcast. You know what we do do? We disavow Nazis. So speak

phonetically. Yeah, speak phonetically. Loose facts, bad opinions. Emmanuel Ochre would actually have a great time on this show. You didn't think about it. Yeah. All right. Let's do numbers. We'll see everyone on Friday. Oh, I got a little recap. Hopefully. All right, go for it. All right. Hopefully no big news breaks in the next like two hours because it feels like every two seconds. Like that Calvin Ridley clip. I bet you could find an even better Tyreek Hill clip. Yes, yes. Because he bounces back like ten yards. It's so stupid. It was so stupid to see that clip and be like, Oh, dude, he's definitely, definitely throwing games. There was one that I saw that was I think it was the Sean Jackson. Like you can make the argument about to Sean Jackson. Oh,

yeah. That based on how he behaves around the one yard line, he would be the guy that you would point at. I think Chip Kelly did try to do that. He did. Again, not making any accusations, but the evidence is damning. Yeah. Here's the clip. Love you guys. Oh, wait, numbers. I'm going to go 46, 25, 22, 22, 3 for us. Huge news. Huge news. Hang on before you do the numbers. Breaking. What? Dicky V has announced his March Madness starts with a W. His PET scan shows that he's cancer free. Rico is probably just fond of it. It's disgusting. That's the first place your brain goes when you hear that. This is Rico off so much because Rico wants him to die.

I'm happy for Dicky V. March Madness would not be the same without him. Yeah. No, I'm very happy. You want him to die so you can make fun of Rico for wanting him to die, even though he doesn't. Cause you're sick. He wants him to die. He hates it. I know. He doesn't have the rights. He needs to call a March Madness game. Yeah. Do the right thing. I agree. I agree. It's kind of like Mr. Portnay. Remember when Mr. Portnay was like, I felt bad about Stuart Scott, but I hated that guy. All right, numbers 22. 69, 3, 25, 40. Russ Dickey less sucks. Follow the Skeleban on Twitter. Yes. Skeleban meeting after 54. I feel like we've had that a few times.

Third timer. OMG. All the prayers many of you have sent have been answered as Dr. Brown, who heads my cancer team, called and said, PetScan came back. No cancer is showing. I feel like a coach playing for the final four has a PTP or hit his shot at the buzzer. My March Madness starts with a W, baby. Love it. I love that Dicky V tweets exactly how he talks. Oh yeah. Love you guys. Love you Dicky V. 54 is such a linebacker number and dinosaurs are closer to birds than lizards. Okay, take on me. Take me on. I'll be gone in a day or two. I need less to say. I ought to say this, but I'm being stolen a little way.

Slowly learning the life is okay. Say out to me. It's no better to be safe than sorry. Say out to me. It's no better to be safe than sorry. Take on me. Take me on. I'll be gone in a day or two. Oh, things that you say, little I know. Just to play my worries away. You're all things I've got to remember. You're shying away. I'll be coming for you anyway. You're shying away. I'll be coming for you anyway. Take on me. Take me on. I'll be gone in a day.

I'll be gone in a day.