Pardon My Take - JJ Redick Talking NBA Playoffs, Tyrese Maxey Saves The Sixers + Are Travis Kelce And Taylor Swift On The Rocks?

Episode Date: May 1, 2024

Tyrese Maxey saves the Sixers season with an all time Game 5 performance at MSG. We talk NBA and NHL playoff action from Tuesday night plus the Lakers got bounced and somehow people still think they were so close to beating the Nuggets in a series (00:00:00-00:22:31). Shams is eviscerating coach's moments after games and we have our first bee delay of the year in MLB (00:22:31-00:33:59). Hot Seat/Cool Throne including NFL scouting and the biggest loser gambler of all time (00:33:59-00:57:41). JJ Redick joins the show to talk NBA playoffs, how good Ant is, what do the Suns and Lakers do, is this the death of the superteam and his son going to basketball camp at Duke (00:57:41-01:46:14). We finish with listener submitted FAQ's (01:46:14-02:00:53).You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/PardonMyTake

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only on the DK Horse app. Today is Wednesday, May 1st, and Tyrese Maxey is that dude. Dog. Dog. Seven points in the final 25 seconds tonight. Finished with 46 mandatory points. He said it was a mandatory win. You need mandatory points. He said it was a mandatory win. You need everyone.

They were mandatory points. He was right. It was mandatory. I want to see this series go seven. Same. Same. It was a great game. The Mecca was rocking. Jalen Brunson was balling again. And Tyrese Maxey came and snatched souls. Joel Embiid was, you know, he was hobbling. He didn't have his best stuff. Tyrese Maxey basically saved, did Tyrese Maxey save his legacy while also a legacy game for, it was a double legacy game.

A double legacy by Tyrese. Yeah, I think it's like, he's, you got the old dog and then the young pup, and you get the young pup to like, breathe some life into the old dog. And Embiid was, he was not himself tonight. His leg was definitely hurting. He said he had a headache before the game

and he was feeling it pretty bad. But Max, he brought all the energy at the end of the game and they're gonna need it. They're gonna need it because they have to try to close it out on the road in game six in Philadelphia. Yeah, that's gonna be a big time Knicks home game down in Wachovia center. Yeah, that was going to be a big time Knicks home game down at down in Wachovia, Wachovia Center.

Yeah, that was that was a great game. That was a great playoff basketball game. I thought for the last like two minutes, I was like poor Max, the Sixers essentially just didn't let him turn this game off. Because even I actually thought weirdly like the first half was when the Knicks that you don't lose the game in the first half, but they had the Sixers on the ropes like they felt like the Sixers were dead. It felt like the Sixers were ready to quit felt like half the team was

ready to quit. They cut it to five at half and then at the end of the game Tyrese Maxey just with two of the biggest shots the and one Mitchell Robinson. I don't know how you follow there. And then that three that he hit that was just so perfect. What a game. Max, you're back. You're alive.

What are we thinking? Series, series of the year is back alive. Joel Embiid may not be able to walk, but you have Tyrese Maxey. So you have a puncher's chance. Yeah. Tyrese Maxey so you have a puncher's chance. Yeah Tyrese Maxey was unbelievable tonight. It was really something special to see. I can't believe that we've had this game and game two both in the same series. Like I would love to know like they both have to be like 99% on like that ESPN thing of like teams to lose and then win probability. Yeah both times

that they've lost Max. He was absolutely incredible. The four point play no one's talking about. The fact that he was able to get into everyone's just talked about it. We just talked about how you can't fall there. Everyone is talking about how great that play was. But the three say how good that play was. It was an impressive play.

The fact that he pulled it off was insane. Jake, talk about that play. It was so amazing. Everyone's talking about that play. Literally everyone's talking about the play. Okay, no one's talking about the logo three that he hit to tie it up. It does feel like this is a trade-off from game two. You lost one, you should have won now You stole one back like I was just thinking about like that when I went through that run of tweets being like I can't believe we Lost that game. I can't believe we lost that game. I can't believe we lost that game immediately after this I was we were driving to softball the only thing I was thinking like I can't believe we won that game

I can't believe yeah, it was it was over. There's 28 seconds left It was it was a six- point game Josh Hart has or no Josh Art had a two free throws after that but six point game you get the four point play then Josh Hart goes one for two and The three like that was over you should win games when you're up six points with 28 seconds left in the NBA and now Max what I mean, what are you going to like? Is Embiid going to be able to walk? I don't know Embiid. Honestly, Embiid, the turnovers were really, really bad from him tonight, but I was a little bit impressed that he was able to

make an adjustment for his game knowing that he wasn't going to be like his dominant self like driving to the basket backing down Mitchell Robinson because like he isn't strong enough right now to do to do what he normally can. But he was passing the ball like really, really well. It's just that sometimes he got reckless with it with the turnovers. It sucks that he had the turnovers because this would be like a moment that you could look at it and be to be like, it was nice to see that. Yeah, he's hurt. He's obviously playing hurt, but he was able to do something like still beneficial for it for the offense. Yeah. But the

turnovers are just so fucking bad. And credit to you. You never gave up on Tobias Harris. He had a huge game that's with your guys. Later in this show, I gave up on Tobias Harris, but yeah, we actually really big game. I think you also didn't give up on Buddy healed because Tyrese Maxi gave credit for the wind to Buddy healed today. He said he gave him a quick shout out. He said he was on the bench. I guess that was the only minute that Maxi was on the bench. He spent talking to Buddy healed and he

was upset. He had missed free three throws, turn the ball over, buddy. He'll grab me and said, listen, dude, you know what you can do. Go out and make up for it. I really appreciate buddy for that. Yeah, but he was like, you gotta go shoot because I'm not going to. So he got done. Go shoot. But yeah, that clip, they showed the wide cam of maxi after, uh, or after regulation and he was just so fucking pumped up and like to steal that moment from the Knicks because that crowd was crazy Knicks fans are crazy and that was I mean it was just an awesome playoff game also shout out to your guy, Patum

with incredible incredible defense both at the end of regulation and the end of OT Being able to stay with Jalen Brunson as he drive to the hoop and he had two huge, I think the first one was a block. I don't know if the second was a block, but he was just all over them. Like those were game defining plays, being able to stay with him there. I thought there was no way Brunson wasn't making that shot.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He kind of got a step on Batum and Batum just so long, he was able to block that shot. Again, yeah, no one's talking about that either. No one's talking about that. I just talked about it. I just talked about it. It was a great play defensively. And then at the end of overtime, I think he kind of got in the way. Brunson wanted to pass the ball and I forget who it was in the corner, made a step towards the basket and Brunson passed it out of bounds, but he probably wouldn't have

fucked it up that bad if Battoom was in his face. Yeah, no. It was an awesome, awesome game. I wanted to go seven. We're going to watch game six with Max. We'll have clips for it. Also, tune into JJ Reddick. I give him an idea for how to give Joel and Bede more

minutes, which I actually think Nick Garners might do in game six. If we can get him the message, My idea might work. All right other games These are the games like game fives are the best because they like you can't fuck around a game five We saw the the nuggets like if they had let the Lakers stay around and get into game six your problems now You have the six are still alive and you have the bucks still alive Now you have the six are still alive and you have the box still alive, which was crazy because it felt like with no Damon, no Yanis, the Pacers. I think the Pacers probably thought this too, like we're just going to show up and win this game easily. And then Pat Bev happened. He was fucking insane in the first half and the second quarter.

Yeah, he was awesome. He was everywhere. He was basically like he did the two small on Tyrese Howell Burton, which like that's why I love Pat Bev because he got embarrassed on on the game winner. Game three, I want to say. Yeah, game three. But it doesn't matter because it's just next fight. He just he gets off the mat and he's he'll do it too small on him no problem but the Bucs I mean they dominated too Bobby Portis Chris Middleton everyone's stepping up Bucs are the Bucs are the Bucs gonna win this series if Yanis comes back? The Bucs are alive for sure and what happened in the last game was they just had everybody get hurt or ejected from the game so Bobby Portis didn't get ejected this time and then Middleton his knees So I guess, I guess they'll be fine. Yeah, I think they'll be fine. I think I don't think that they're like, they probably won't be favored to win this series even with Yannis coming back. But if they can get it to a game seven, then yes, the, the, um, I think Yannis was a game time decision today. Like I feel like this is when I, uh, have to take a step back and realize that I am actually a pussy in my own real life. But when I project on other players, uh, of sports I'm watching, I'm like, dude, how can

Yannis not play tonight? Like, how can you not play? He's really, you just gotta want it. You gotta want it. And we've been desensitized to injuries. We're like, oh, it's a sprained MCL. You can play on that. Because like Phillip Rivers did one time, and we're like, oh, that's not a problem. Yeah, I tweak my knee.

I'd play. I would play. I'm just going to say right now, you can't keep me out of game five with the season on the line. Yeah, I would come hell or high water, I would play in a game five unless I got less than six hours of sleep. Yeah. Then I would probably be like, you know what? Game time decision. I'm out. I'm sick. Yeah. I don't feel good. Uh, also the calves magic. This, this series now this max applies. No one's talking about, um,

my two thoughts from this game were Paolo is that guy he was awesome kind of ran out of gas and then Evan Mobley is just an absolute freak defender because that block on Wagner where he was like it was people are you know it was a pick and roll at the top with Paolo and Magic fans I understand are like give it to Paolo he like live and die with Paolo there like give it back to him but I think he had a step and just Evan Mobley is so good that it doesn't matter if you have a step on Evan Mobley he'll recover and he'll block the shit out of you it was awesome and no Jared Allen and Mobley stepped up. Yeah Mobley he's been a guy that for the last three years has had like two different times each year where people are like,

I think Mowgli's becoming a superstar. It's just been a slow progress for him. But defensively, he's a beast. He's a monster. He's so good defensively. And my good friend Marcus, or yeah, it was Marcus Morris, right? Made those threes down the stretch. I love to see that.

Love to see the Morris's contribute whenever possible. My question is, if this goes seven, are they going to put it on something other than NBA TV? No, this feels like it's NBA TV. It's just NBA TV all the way? The Pacers have to win two consecutive championships to get off NBA. The finals will be on NBA TV if the Pacers are in it. Oh man. Yeah, I feel it's kind of a slap in their face,

but it also kind of makes sense. No offense to either team. But yeah, you just see the schedule, and like, all right, NBA TV again. I guess that's what we're doing. Should we talk about Monday night at all? We should. Well, you know what?

Let's talk about Hank. We could talk hockey for a second. Oh, yeah, let's talk hockey for a second. Let's talk hockey for a second. Let's talk hockey for a second. We're going to have some hockey. We're going to have a hockey guest on Friday and possibly Monday as well. So we're going to get more into hockey.

I know that we haven't had Biz or Witt on. They have busy schedules. Biz is doing TNT. Witt is making everyone in the world angry. Series are ending, though. We have series ending. The Islanders are out the the Jets are out who else is out knocked out the lightning the lightning are out yeah

the lightning are advancing I thought the Bruins were gonna win tonight because the Leafs didn't have Austin Matthews. Yes. And but what happened? They they actually lost to the Leafs in overtime. I think it was overtime. Yeah. Damn, Hank. Can you confirm? It's got to keep it interesting. Just got to win one in Toronto now. It's tough to win in the playoffs. You know, the Leafs are a good team. They they battled through adversity tonight and we got to the playoffs. It's it's tough to win the playoffs. Uh you know, the Leafs are a good

team. They they battled through adversity tonight and and we gotta come back stronger, put Swain in the net and and we're gonna win. Now, we might say that this was maybe Ryan Whitney's doing. We'll get into Ryan Whitney a

little bit later but I feel like this one was for Ryan. Yeah but we, I mean, the the weirdly, I think we're talking about on Sunday but the NHL playoffs, It's usually there will be like multiple game sevens in the first round and some of these like tight series, but it's it hasn't been that way this year. Like the the the Knights and Stars series is awesome. That one feels like it's going to go seven, but every other series is and I obviously we'll see what happens to Leafs and Bruins but a lot of these series are over and we're already on to the second round.

I thought the Islanders were going to win tonight. I really did. Memes. I thought so too and then they scored eight uh two goals in 8 seconds again. Yeah. That was that was bad. So, am I freezing or someone else freezing? You're freezing.

**** **** Can you hear me? Yeah yeah I don't know what happened you're back now all right memes can you say it again which part the whole thing my bad that's my bad all right three two yeah it sucked he scored two goals in eight seconds again nah fuck I fuck. I'm freezing. That happened again. Yeah. Again. Are you guys? Yeah. Two goals in eight seconds. Yeah. We're here. All right. I'm freezing memes. Can you say that again? I froze

it went to two goals in eight seconds. Eight seconds again. And it sucked. It sucked. Wait, I think I just froze. I think I just froze. I think I just froze. Memes, what did you say? So it went maxi, three pointer from the logo, two goals, eight seconds. Again, the same exact thing as game two except reversed. Actually it went maxi, four point play, then maxi, three pointer from the logo. Yeah, but it went logo tie two goals eight seconds. And it's I think I froze again. You got to say it one more time. Sorry, you just have to. I guess the hurricane scored one goal and they scored another

goal seven seconds after that. Oh my god. All right, wait, hold on. Let's let's do this. Time it out. Who missed the game. All right, so I'm going to say it right now. Ready? Okay. The the panther, the hurricane just scored man that must have sucked for Islanders fans. Well, maybe we'll get out one here. Just don't. The hurricane just scored again. That was how fast it was. That was how fast it was. Who's that fast? Oh no memes. Tough night for memes.

Hank, I think we have to have an intervention. I want cocky Hank back. It's like I can't live. Cocky Hank. Let me live. Cocky Hank. Cocky Hank. You're so much better than the heat.

Cocky Hank. It much better than the heat. It's not about dude. He's hold on. He's only going to be a minimum of several games. Hank, what did you just say? You said it's not about the heat. I thought we're taking this one series at a time. I'm not doing this shit. I refuse to do it.

I absolutely can't. Like, no, no. I refuse to do it. I made one comment then it's like, Oh, I thought you were a cocky. I'm not doing this. I'm sticking with my friends. Also the rest of the East is just going to be dead after this first round. Yeah. Like what happened tonight in Indiana, max or Milwaukee, wherever Milwaukee. I just want you to just go heel turn and just be like, I'm back. I'm honest or Damon and they still won. Teams can win. It's the

playoffs. These guys are professional athletes. They're here to win. Damien. Oh, Dame in or Dame. Was that a cell phone? Was it Dame in or Dame in? You're hold on. You froze was it was it Dame in or Dame can lose this game then then you. If I I did negotiate with you last night, I said if the if the Nuggets can lose this

game, then then we might be in business but they didn't **** There's gotta be. Do you have like a side chat like a side podcast that you record where you are where you are cocky Hank and you're not giving it to us. Yeah, it's my my group

chat with my friends from home. Okay. How about this Hank? How about this on Thursday's show after the Celtics beat the Heat 4-1, how will you, we'll buy you a mask, and we can see what, we won't call you Hank, we'll call you something else, and we can just see what the cocky Hank brain is saying. But we won't hold you accountable for it.

So all AW to have to agree We will not hold whoever shows up to the studio on Thursday accountable for what they say about the Celtics Fair No, that's good for the show. You can you can you can clip every time we talked about the Celtics the whole year I pretty much said like we we just gotta stay healthy and then what happened in in game four when

Porzingis goes out, it looked like he was done for the season like the fact that he might come back is is a is a benefit but it's he's out the whole their whole game plan, the whole the way the team plays is completely different.

I'm a minimum of several games. That's not that bad but you saw the injury. It looked like it was a non-contact. He he knew he was hurt right away. It looked bad. I just I'm laughing about woads. I've never seen an

injury say a minimum of several games. So, are you who are you playing next round? Who do you want to play next round? Uh we don't if we've got to make it past this round first. But who do you want to play next round? Hey, I want to I want to I want to beat the heat on Thursday. How much money do we have to give you to get cocky Hank back? Was it what a K?

Okay, is that the wrong rate? You said that we negotiate documentary. Oh, Okay. I was thinking, documentary. That's what I'm on right now. He wants to absolve him of the dunk bet. Oh, interesting. But then, all right, I would be willing to do that, but we would need full cocky Hank. Okay. Like the minute I need, I would need to sign a contract and it'd be like the minute you get down or do like oh, we're taking one game at a

time. The contract is null and void. I'll do that. That's fine. We'll talk. We'll talk. We'll talk more. We'll talk more on Thursday. Maybe we'll bring maybe we'll we'll come with a plan. Pft. We gotta we gotta huddle up to try to get I've got an idea. We'll we'll take plan, PFT. We got to huddle up to try to get coffee. I've got an idea. We'll take this offline. OK, all right. We'll bring it back to the people on Friday's show. All right, so the other series that we have talk about is,

I do think the Lakers might not be good enough to beat the Nuggets. That might be the case. They are, though. They actually are. No, maybe not. Did you see the stat of the minutes they led in the series? 45 minutes game. They led for over 150 minutes compared to 50 minutes for the nuggets. This is big. Uh, the, the Lakers actually won the

popular vote energy from you. Yeah, it's crazy. It's like, so a couple of things happen. The Lakers, obviously they get bounced out. LeBron says he's going to test free agency. Shams. I don't know. Like this is the new. This is just some nasty work from Shams. I actually love it because who doesn't like the post-mortem on a failed season. Shams has been doing this now. He did it with the Suns. He did it with the Lakers. He hit Publish on an article that basically ripped the coach to shreds with anonymous sources seconds after the team gets bounced. And I got into it with Lakers fans say like, I don't think Darvard Hamm is a good coach, but the energy of Lakers fans saying, well, we led for 75% of the series and

If we had played anyone besides the Nuggets, we would have probably won a series It's so crazy to me like if your goal is to win a title the Lakers were never gonna win a title They were not better than the Nuggets. That's just a fact. We have enough evidence now in two years Hey, how can you say like you play the full game for a reason the the any team can be winning at half you you play a full game and usually what happens in a full game when you play more than 24 minutes the better team wins. Say that again. PFT they were leading for 150 minutes. The nuggets were winning for about 50 minutes. This is loser energy. Again, it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter that they led for 150 minutes because at the end of the games, the nuggets were winning four times out of five times.

Now you can there you could make the case like, yeah, the Lakers probably would have had a better chance against a different team. You know how you get to be able to play those different teams? Yeah, you're better throughout the course of an entire regular season. And if you do that, for all those minutes, I don't maybe Hank, you can look up how many minutes they would have had to lead over the regular season, you can get a higher seed and maybe you can play against I don't know the sons that and this is this is where Lakers fans will say Darvin Ham screwed up the regular season. I get it like there was the stretch where he

didn't start D'Angelo Russell and Austin Reeves. He tinkered with the lineup multiple times. It all was in the Shams piece. I get it. He's not a good coach. I still think that the roster is the problem that they just don't have enough guys and the nuggets were a better basketball team. No matter how many minutes the Lakers led execution and like being able to win games late is what makes the team better. That's what makes you a better team. Not leading a game at half. They led at half every single game. We said it after the game one, every game goes the same. Lakers get

a big lead, nuggets start playing better basketball and they win the game. And that happened four out of five games. And like, it's just crazy to me that people are like the Lakers were just right there. They were so close. We did this last year when they got swept best swept you've ever seen. Like it's crazy. They've won one. They're one in eight against the nuggets in the last two years, yet there are still people out there. They're like the Lakers are so close to beating the nuggets. The best thing that the Lakers do is they make the, they make the nuggets look awesome. They get the nuggets in these crazy games and let the nuggets just rip their hearts out down the stretch.

And I appreciate the Lakers for that. And the mayor of Los Angeles actually wanted to contribute to the same discussion that Hanks having the loser talk. Put this in the loser talk hall of fame on loser talk Mount Rushmore. Mayor Karen Bass. This was last night. Karen, she's major Karen. Love it. She tweeted out tough season, but at least we won the in season tournament. Proud of our team Lakers. Heart heart. How about that? That's a good silver lining. Hank, you led. Hang the banner. Led 150 minutes in the first round of the playoffs and won the in season tournament. You so I think PFT you agree with me.

Max you agree with me right? Like this is crazy pills that Lakers fans are like we led for so much of the series that were this close to beating the Nuggets even though we are one in eight against them in the playoffs in the last two years. Yeah it's a crazy stat that they led for that many minutes but also you play a full game for a reason and the Nuggets were better at playing full games of basketball. It's not that hard to understand. Right. Do you know what happens when you play a full game of basketball? You get a better sample size on which team is better. That's usually what happens.

And also being able to handle late game scenarios is a big part of the game too. And that has a lot to do with why the Nuggets keep winning and keep beating them. They're better overall. I think they definitely have better coaching. It's not to say that, Darvin Ham, I don't know if he's a bad coach. I don't think he's a good coach. I don't think he's a great coach. But I wouldn't say that this is on Darvin Ham. And if you're tinkering with the lineup during the regular season, you're doing that because you're probably not that great of a basketball team and you know that you need to get better. So it's like chicken or the egg

right II don't. I don't think Darvin Ham's good coach. I just hate that he's getting 100% of the blame when and I'm not blaming Lebron. This is not a Lebron hater thing because Lebron and AD were phenomenal, but Lebron and AD are two guys that had to carry an inordinate load and you have one of them is 39 years old the other who you know, injury prone in AD and they just didn't have a roster with enough dudes to compete against a nuggets team that is the best team in the NBA. And if that's your goal is to win a championship, you do get measured against the Denver Nuggets.

I mean, it sucks you played them in the first round, but I also think the Timberwolves would have beat them. I also think the thunder would have beaten him. I don't understand why we delude ourselves into thinking that the Lakers were right there. They were a good team. They were never a great team. Yeah, if there was a losers bracket for this, I would, I might have, I think I would. I think I would have the Lakers first in the losers bracket, regardless of who wins in LA, Dallas. I think I would have the Lakers as the one seed in that. Yeah. So the other one, the Sun's article was crazy because Frank Vogel, poor Frank Vogel, he walks off the court and looks at his phone, Shams has an article ready to go.

And the start of the article is basically saying that Frank Vogel is a pussy and no one on his team respects him because The story goes Frank Vogel entered the home locker room at footprint center and lit into his team after his sons had fallen into A 35-4 hole and route to a loss to the Clippers on April 9th The head coach sounds like his kids fell down into a canyon way that you read that right there Yeah, the the head coach yelled so much that his voice could be heard outside the locker room. There was only one problem. On this night, Sun's players weren't buying it. The outburst seemed forced out of character in their eyes and continued the next day shoot around in Los Angeles, Vogel tearing into the Sun's before that

night's road win over the Clippers. Vogel's eruption left players rolling their eyes. Sources briefed on the matter told the athletic. That's some nasty stuff to be like. I got an anonymous source that we were rolling our eyes to our coach. That's the meanest thing you can do to roll your eyes. It's your coach. The article is pretty much saying when when Vogel tried to get serious with the team, everybody was like, get the fuck

out of here. You're not a serious person. You don't want to read that about yourself right afterwards. No, not to to dispute with with whin horse did report earlier about LeBron James and free agency. LeBron, he tweeted out this afternoon, I've seen heard a lot of reports about my future. I said it last night. I'll say it again. I do not know yet as I'm only thinking about spending time with my family and friends. When I know after speaking with the fam, my counsel as well as my representation about it, then you guys will know until then nothing love king. So we don't

know about that report, but it seems like there's somebody that's on the suns that is leaking information like directly to Shams if it was ready to go that quickly after the season's over instantly, he's fired and what sucks is like everyone knows that he's going to be fired right. I think Darvin Ham's probably more likely to get fired than Frank Vogel, but I also don't know the sons are just a mess because they're stuck. They don't they can't trade Bradley Beal. They're only move is

they can trade. You can't trade Devin Booker because he's your future. Your only move is you can trade Kevin Durant. So they're they're fucked. I just, yeah, I was thinking earlier like the timing of these articles, and the Suns weren't going to beat the Timberwolves, the Lakers weren't going to beat the Nuggets, but you have to think it can't be great for vibes when a series is going on and guys are giving anonymous sources about how much they hate their coach. Like they're they're they're more concerned with making sure that right after they lose, the spin zone goes their direction than actually winning the game. Yeah, you have to be. Shams had that article ready to go in the event that they lost.

It was it was time. He probably scheduled it knowing that they were going to lose it. Dude, imagine what's on his hard drive right now because he's probably got one for every single team. Like if they lose he's ready to go. He definitely has one for past NBA champions that have ended up winning the entire thing. Yeah he's got a net Hank he's got a nasty one for the Celtics if they get bounced before the finals. You know that and he's got a real oh he's got a vicious one for the Bucs

for sure. For sure. Yeah. That's going to be Doc Rivers. Oh, that's going to be must read. Yeah, just think about it. If you're coaching the NBA right now, you have to have alerts on for Shams,

and you have to just stay up at night being like, when is this article going to drop on my head, and how bad is it going to be? Last thing we had to talk about, we had a bee delay. Bees are back. I love the bee delay. It's my favorite part of baseball. I love the early season brawls. I love the bee delays. I love the weird injuries. That's what gets us through these dog days in MLB until the All-Star break. Yeah, the Arizona Diamondbacks had to delay their game against the Dodgers because there was a bee colony Set up in the netting behind home plate

They better not they killed those bees. Did they not? I don't think you can I think they probably killed them. I would they might be do they re-home the bees? There might be some laws. Have you ever talked to like the bee freaks out there that are? Oh, I know always reminding us like six times a year that bees are dying at alarming rate There's the worst There's no way that they They didn't rehome these bees. They fucking killed these bees. They took the brings like a

Fire hose to these bees They bring in a beekeeper every time it happens and this guy has to find the Queen And the game of baseball is delayed until this guy in a giant white suit finds the Queen. It's a whole thing. It happens at baseball like at least once a year. What is it about baseball stadiums that's so attractive to Bees? I don't know. It's true though. They just love, they love hanging out at the ballpark. They actually if they could figure out a way to make Bs count as fans for baseball, baseball might be back.

Mm-hmm. We just use that as attendance. The White Sox. Hey, a lot of buzz about this year. Yeah, there we go. The White Sox and A's need to just get some B colonies in the outfield. They should be like, our attendance was crazy tonight. Okay, let's kick it to ourselves back in studio. Hot Seat Cool Throne, JJ Reddick, FAQs and tune in on Friday when we negotiate

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Whitney. Yep. Famous. If you've seen his work, bear fucking. Great artists. The artist, Ryan Whitney. Okay. So with the Whitney thing, a lot of people are very upset about a cartoon image. Yeah. Although I will agree that it's a weird choice that Whitney specifically typed into the AI generator, make the polar bear female He didn't and have a person. Oh, he didn't way Will ever sniff Whoever made it whoever made it typing in like give the air and I think give the bear a skirt and a purse the It would have worked just the same if it was just two bears fucking yeah

But it's one of my favorite internet controversies that Whitney's involved in right now if people don't know Whitney. I actually think that his tweet didn't even say like this is so funny. He was like, this isn't right, which if he's kind of agreeing that it's not right. He's posting for awareness of not to share it. Yeah, it's an AI image of a bear in a Bruins Jersey fucking a bear in a Maple Leafs Jersey. And people are very upset. They immediately went to sexual assault. And I can't believe you posted this. It's one of my favorite controversies because it just

reminds me that we might be the only sane people left because I saw that image and I didn't think I was just like, Oh, this is just stupid like fans talking shit back and forth I saw the bears I saw AI bears I saw the image and I was like sports yeah I thought about sports they're AI bear pull a bear was crying it's like getting mad at whatever Calvin pissing on a team's logo yeah there that's a child porn our yes good point Hank he said uh Leafs fans I feel for you guys, this ain't right. So if anything, Whitney's agreeing with you. This ain't right.

He's on your side. This ain't right. But uh, yeah. I think yesterday was a big gap in things to be mad about online. So you just need somebody to be pissed off about. And that happened to be Whitney. We stand with Whitney. Unbelievable that an AI, it was great too when people would just like, I saw some

people replying and then someone would be like, Oh, so any cartoon is okay. It's like, dude, it's bears. What are we talking about? They're AI. It's not real. So the Taylor Swift stuff, I understand where she's coming from because she's a human being. Correct. These are bears. And also the bears aren't representation of actual bears that exist that we all know and love and care about. They're just generic bears. Also here's a little tip. You gotta always look for context clues.

The bears are fucking on ice. First of all, I don't think bears know how to, well actually no, there's probably Russian bears that know how to skate. Oh, polar bears, yeah. Sure. But in the background, there's two Bruins banners and then a Maple Leafs banner. This isn't a real arena. No, this isn't real. This isn't a real arena. I saw that. I was like, Oh my God, this is a fake arena. Are they title banners? Are

they just, no, they're just banner. So at first I was like, Oh my God, the bears are fucking this is horrendous image to look at. And then I saw the banners. I was like, Oh no, you're stupid, Dan. That's not real. It could be one of the outdoor games No, it looks like it looks at inside. Yeah, it looks like there's a roof It could be the the stadium series. It's all Bruins fans. Then there's a maple leafs banner could be neutral site neutralize I'm gonna say Yeah, I'm actually know what I'm 100% confident. I'm gonna say this image isn't real. I'm gonna look at it real quick. Yeah, it might be real. No, that might have happened the banner thing. I think this is at this might be at Fenway Park. They wouldn't

put up a maple leafs banner. You don't think during the stadium series, they represent both teams at all? Definitely not. No, come on. And it's also got a roof on it. Not real. Confirmed not real image. Not real confirmed not real image Not real. I don't know how that hot seat turned to that but that makes sense Well, I mean you brought up Brian Whitney. Yeah, he's best known for bears fucking that that is my favorite recurring bit though that sometimes people do if they're submitting questions for guys on chicks or Faqs they'll just tell a story from a movie and see if it's a movie that we haven't seen. I like that bad job by us Yeah, also, it's crew. It wasn't on the Chica's podcast either was on a different. Oh

Golf park that's that's not our fault. Do we think there's any chance that Caruso was just pawning the story off on his own He did say yeah, he heard okay. Yeah And then my cool throw it's not really diva wide receivers. Just just cocky wide receivers Talk about a lot on the show the last couple years Patriots Javon Baker that they drafted had this quote. He said bring your popcorn. I make people in wheelchairs stand up Oh, I like that. You love that you love that out here's yes, you're that electric that he Paralyzed parallelization. Yeah. Yeah, that's nice. I like it and he's also pumped up He's probably feeling himself because they got Joe Milton.

Yeah, that's like maybe future Diva wide receiver type quote, but it's not not in a bad way. Like that's that's how you want your wide receiver to think. I wish they would actually make him prove it. Like bring him to a hospital, have him catch some balls, see if someone can walk again. He's like a one of those mega church healers. Yeah. Healers. Yeah. Is everybody that's gonna be a hot ticket for Patriots games If you have a disability show up and see if he can heal you shouldn't this guy be Used in modern medicine more than the NFL's and he's squandering his abilities. I Mean he literally can cure people being paralyzed. I think I think I was got a neck fracture But you have like oh fuck he caught a touchdown in the corner the end zone

I'm I can walk you have to meet them halfway if you really want to be healed then you'll buy a ticket Buying a ticket to a Patriots game like a dream seed sideline pass probably cheaper than getting back surgery. Yeah, yeah Okay Catch some CDs now. You're excited. You're back to being excited. Yeah, I'm excited. Okay. Very excited. Very excited. I saw that shirt design. You look very excited. Very excited.

In the Drake May shirt. Still need people to subscribe on Spotify. Just hit that button, subscribe, get our numbers up, and then maybe we'll release the Drake May Hank Lockwood shirt. Is that a real picture that's on there? Oh, I didn't even think about that. It might not be real. The outrage there would be worse than you think.

You think so? No. Think about that. It might not be. It would be worse than you think. So now I think more people would stand up for a made up female polar bear than would stand up for. Do you know what? We should probably have Triggs update the picture and put a leaf spinner and a Bruin spinner in the background so that people can figure out that it's not real. Not not a real image. Yeah. Okay. PFT your hot seat. Cool throne. My hot seat is Jake Paul

Jake Paul is on the hot seat because they just announced the parameters for the fight against Mike Tyson And although Mike Tyson is a heavy underdog. I think he's plus 300 They said that there's going to be no headgear for the fight and it's going to be an actual heavyweight title fight So it's gonna count on their official professional records 14 ounce gloves But no headgear contrary to the rumors that came out that they're going to wear headgear. So knockouts are allowed. And also I didn't realize this, but it's going to be Taylor Serrano in the co-mate event, which actually makes that should make real boxing fans want to buy this. Yes, agreed. So I'm pumped up. Because I think everybody that is most people that are paying attention to this would just like to see another Mike Tyson knockout

Yes, just bring us back to all I want the glory days Yes He could be 90 years old and I would still believe that he'd be able to knock somebody out without a doubt My cool throne is Dave and Busters. Oh Busters is on the cool throne because they are now allowing customers to bet on their arcade games against each other so if you're competing against somebody if it's pop a shotA-Shot, if it's Skee-Ball, or anything else where it's like one-on-one, you can actually put wagers in and bet against each other

at the table, at the games. I would like to see this expand a little bit, and anybody that's inside the Dave and Buster's should be able to get in on the action. And then bet on those guys. And then we should be able to watch on like a closed-circuit TV in this office and Bet on two random guys that go to Dave and Buster's and compete against each other in skeeble. This is the future game This is the future everything should be gamble. Yes, Dave and Buster's. Wow. That's what I would like next level. I love that

Yeah, it's really good. All right, my hot seat. I have two. One is inside the NBA because NBC is supposedly getting closer to making an NBA deal. We might lose TNT NBA, which that would be a tragedy. They'd have to figure out a way to keep Chuck and the guys. Chuck is by the way, having like a legendary run right now. But Kenny and Chuck and Ernie and Shaq, they is by the way having like a legendary run right now, but Kenny and Chuck and Ernie and Shaq, they have to be somewhere. Like what are we going to do if they're not, if they're not on TNT and TNT doesn't have broadcast rights for the NBA? For the good of the league, they should just go wherever the NBA goes.

Yeah. Would NBC do weeknight games? I think so. We just can't have Charles Barkley not in our life. I don't know how the contracts work with that, but they should just understand that for for America, they should allow that show to go wherever wherever the NBA lives or you know what TNT they could just do that show and not have the rights to the game. Just watch it. Yeah. Just be like everybody turn over to Turner, whatever channel that's on, after the game, and you're gonna get Chuck, Kenny, Shaq.

Just keep the show going without the rights. We can't have that, we can't lose that. People were excited though, they're like, Round Ball Rock coming back to NBC. Listen, I love Round Ball Rock, it obviously is like a, you listen to that song and you're like, this is 90s basketball. I just want to remind people who maybe don't watch college basketball round ball rock also has

been back for a while on Fox. And now when I listen to it, I think like oh here comes Creighton verse Xavier at 11am. You know the best start to your day possible is watching the live video of John Tesh performing round ball rock. Yeah, we just bouncing around the room directing the orchestra. Yeah. That gets the blood going. My other hot seat is a single better in New Jersey. So this story, I feel for this guy because he probably was minding his own business and then woke up on Monday and was like, what the fuck?

It was the, I think you should leave meme where he's sitting in the back with the Tim Robinson sitting in the back. The courtroom? Yeah. He's like, what the fuck are they talking about me? it's a story about one of the sportsbooks in New Jersey having like a huge month and Basically, it's all because one guy has been losing a lot and so they said when we removed New Jersey from the equations This sportsbook has a 2.9% market share in the States. It operates in, it's New Jersey's market share in March was 23.5 because he's described as

the biggest losing player in the regulated market by a mile. So it's a guy that bets against Yukon. What the fuck? Yeah. Could you imagine just waking up and seeing this and being like, they just call me the biggest loser by a mile? Yeah. I'm happy I don't live in New Jersey because I would definitely be like, wait, is that,

is it me? That one guy might be betting against Yukon and also betting against the Oakland Athletics every single day. Yeah. And just, and betting against, uh, like anyone to beat Scottie Scheffler. Yeah. God damn, that would suck so bad. Whoever it is, it's a big hater that's lost a lot of money.

Yeah. And then my cool throne is scouting because we had some post draft stories come out. Albert Brewer had a long story about how the three, three or four through six quarterbacks got selected, Michael Penick's, Bo Nicks, JJ McCarthy. And we had this anecdote from the Bo Nix meetings with the Broncos. So Bo Nix, the Broncos went out to Oregon to do a meeting with him. And Sean Payton saw that Bo Nix had a backpack and asked him what's in the backpack. And Nix, this is now Albert Brewer, Nix reached inside, grabbed the roll of tape that he explained he'd need for his ankles if he were going to train. He also pulled out a spare pair of football cleats and a lacrosse ball that he said he'd use for rolling out his back. And what wasn't in the bag was just

as significant. Everything was football related. All of it. That's good. That's and they fell in love with him there. When the world's in that bag. What's not in the bag? That's just code for like he didn't have any weed Yeah, that's also against the fourth amendment to just check a guy's back. Yeah, I just whatever I just like the stories that come out like how did the broncos end up with bonix? Well, let me tell you a story sean payton asked bonix. What was in his backpack? Every quarterback should have to empty out their backpack and show what's in there. What happens if bonix on that day? had like a Gameboy and

an extra a burner cell phone and I don't know like a thong. Yeah, and they wouldn't be on the Broncos an AARP card That's what Michael Pinnix hold out a pistol. Yeah, that would that would actually rock. I would draft that quarterback Yeah, he stays ready stay strapped. This is my gun for anyone who shits on football. So Along with the draft I I learned something last week about the draft. I would meant to share it with you guys Do you know because we've talked about on the show before? What would happen if there was just straight-up free agency for every player coming out of college football?

It would roll that what would that look like so that almost happened back in I think it was the late 70s early 80s There was a guy that got drafted, got injured two games into his rookie season, couldn't play anymore. He sued the league to try to figure out, or to try to make money based on how much he could have got if he was like a free agent coming out in terms of signing bonus. And he won that case. And then he won the appeal for it too. So this was going to be established law that the draft was against, I guess, against labor laws. Yeah. And then the NFLPA made an agreement with the NFL. Okay, we understand that this goes against the existing law, but we'll agree with you to do the draft because we think it's better for the current veterans

that are in the league. Yeah. And we like where this is going. So every other league, not just the NFL, every other league professionally was going to have to end the draft if the NFLPA didn't reach a handshake agreement and be like, we know it's against the law, but we're gonna let you get away with it to the NFL. Shout out the NFL. Shout out the NFL.

Although maybe not. The NFL is king. This is Mike Florio's big, big topic. He loves talking about how there shouldn't be a draft. Yeah, I mean, you can make the argument that it's definitely it's been great for players to have this draft the way that everything is shooken out over the past like 30 40 years. Everyone's gotten rich. But also we don't know what it would have looked like if they didn't market if they didn't have the draft if it would be the same league that it is today. But yeah, it was all

based on whoever the leader of the NFLPA was shaking the commission's hand saying, we're going to agree. We're good. We're going to agree to let you break the law. Yeah. Pretty crazy. Uh, all right, Jake, your hot seat. Cool.

Teron. Hey guys. Happy to be back. Jake. Um, my hot, my hot seat is cheese ball, man. We had a huge dilemma in New York city, Union square. Thousands of people gathered to watch a man eat cheese balls and he promoted it all over the city and there was a giant

tub of cheese balls and then he showed up and now people are calling him frauds for eating a much smaller tub of cheese balls. I think this is also stolen valor from Philadelphia. Correct. Because it's all based on the rotisserie chicken guy which developed organically and the guy only made a big deal out of it when he reached his 40th consecutive day of eating a chicken. Cheeseball man in New York saw that and said I want a piece of the action. He also only did it for one day. Yeah. One day. I'm not impressed. It's bullshit. No. It's bullshit. I did this 20 times high in my best friend's basement when I was 18 years old. He should have, so one, he, false advertising,

the fact that he didn't do the big cheese ball thing, I wish people had stood up and been like, hey, this guy's a fraud, you said you'd do the big cheese ball. The other way this works is, yeah, he should have done it, if he wanted to do it, he should have done it like the chicken man, where he would have been like, I'm gonna eat one cheese ball a day

until I finish this entire container, and then on the last day, I'll eat an entire container. Or you should have eaten a container every day. Yeah. That's what would have been impressive. Like eating one container in one sitting, that's not something to brag- that's not something that should draw a crowd. It also pissed me off like everyone on Twitter being like, oh this could only happen in New York and was just a worse version of the chicken guy in Philly.

I kind of like that part of it just because it pisses you off. Only in New York. Yeah well this is wrong. wrong yeah only New York can you do a worse version of something in Philly yeah yes that was interesting and I'm like only in Philly can you see a home game for the Knicks true LeBron though oh yeah Max is gonna be a free agent and so Max is thinking LeBron is going to be a free agent. And so Max is thinking what if he just comes to Philly? I actually am. I would die for this to happen. Yeah, just because the podcast would reach a new level. Did you see that when horse said that LeBron is going to see free agency this summer?

Yeah, I mean, I just happened. Well, I knew that he was going to have free agency. I think he's doing this. He's going to test free agency so that he can be like Lakers, you're going to sign Brawny, right? Yeah. No, no, no, no, sixes are going to draft him at 16. At 16?

Yeah. Wow. To bring LeBron. I 100% think that would be worth it. If you're even in the conversation for getting LeBron, just take a flyer. Use your first round pick on Brawny just to lure him to town.

Because if it's even, if he's got like four places he wants to go, if one of them has a son, that's where he's going to end up. Basically kidnapping. Yeah, just kidnapped Brawny. Yeah. Okay, your cool throne, Jake? My cool throne is Travis Kelsey. Signed a big two year deal.

There's the retirement rumors, but two years, 34 million. He's back. I got a question. This might be getting into waters that we don't want to get into. But be careful. I got a question. This might be getting into waters that we don't want to get into. But be careful. I got a question. So he signed a deal to be the highest paid tight end in the league, right? Right?

I believe so. Do we remember a certain player who was married to someone who was very rich a billionaire who would take less money Because that would help the team because he knew he was married to this woman. I remember that does anyone does that ring a bell? I remember that it was a Hank. Do you know the answer that mm-hmm who was that Tom Brady? Oh, that was Tom Brady because he was married to Giselle Do you think maybe Travis Kelsey and Taylor Swift the relationship isn't that rock-solid because otherwise he would say hey Why don't I take less? I'm gonna be fine cuz she's a billionaire and we're gonna get married and have kids and all this stuff

I think he knows that there's a prenup coming interesting. There's a big prenup coming for that one I'm just saying she you could take less money knowing that if he gets married to Taylor Swift Money will never be an issue for him. You know what if Taylor Swift was a real fan of the sound yeah listen well I know an argument doesn't work as well when it does not Brady and Giselle did break up it right Oh, but that's not what this is about It's not what this is in my opinion if if Taylor Swift was as big of a chiefs fan as she pretends to be on correct She would realize for the good of the franchise that she should not do a prenup with Travis Kelsey, therefore letting Travis Kelsey sign undervalued contracts with the Chiefs and

extending their championship window. She would give, she would, she would, like Travis Kelsey sitting on their bed and Taylor Swift walks over and gives them a little kiss on the forehead and says, don't worry sweetie, money's no problem for us. Sounds like she hates the Chiefs. Yeah. Again, I hates the Chiefs. Yeah. Again, I'm just asking questions. Yeah, I mean, it looked pretty strong. They were at Mahomes' charity event.

But how strong knowing that he just took the most money being like I need to make my money now. They should do Monday Night Raw. Mahomes did it. Travis Kelce and Taylor Swift? Yeah. Yeah, that would rock. That would rock.

Swifties would become wrestling fans. Basically what we're saying is that Taylor Swift should give up half of her money to men Mm-hmm. Is that too much to ask? No, I thought we're about equality equality matters 50% And if she were if she was a true Chiefs fan, she would be like, hey Travis take the league minimum Mm-hmm, and let's go win another champion. Yeah rings if she what what hey, it sounds like she's are all good points, right? She's only about her personal engagement ring. Not a Super Bowl ring. Hmm. That's what it sounds like to me Hmm, I think I think that people out there will agree with us on this Yeah, be selfish sometimes and I think he deserves this title the highest-paid time. No, he's not being no

He has to be selfish because Taylor Swift is being saw. She's making she has forced his hand. She's turning another man into a monster. She could basically be like, Hey, let's let's get some star wide receivers and offensive linemen. Let's do all this. You know what? I'll pay you $43 million a year to be my boyfriend and you can get league minimum. I'm seeing a pattern here. Matty Healy was a great dude before Taylor got her hands on. Yeah, listen, here's what I'll say. If in the future, Cale Williams and I ever start to date and I'm a billionaire, I will take care of him. Isn't that hypothetical? But he's making a lot of money.

No, I'll say, hey, take league minimum, take less money, sweetie. We'll be fine. I mean, we... But that's because... minimum, take less money, sweetie. We'll be fine. There's a couple hoops we have to jump through. We have to date. Also, I have to become a billionaire. But if we get to that point, I'm at least willing to share, unlike Taylor Swift. That's what a supportive partner looks like. Correct. I'm as progressive as they get. It's good to see that there's still some good people in this world. Yeah. Thank you. I appreciate that.

Please clip that. Yeah. Just asking questions. That was a great conversation. It's important to have a great segue. We haven't done that in a while. Yeah. Copy the clip that and then tag stool president. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Let's do our interview with JJ Reddick. Awesome interview getting into basketball. We're going talk about the playoffs We're talking about what's happening with the Lakers Darwin Ham sons everything Let's do it JJ Reddick. You ready showtime this Friday summer starts with the Fall Guy Audiences are falling in love with the most entertaining film of the year See Ryan Gosling and Emily Blunt in the movie critics say exists to make you happy. Trying to make out? No. Cause I don't either. It's not what I'm into right now. What are you into? Talking. Yeah. Fall Guy. Only in theaters Friday. Rated

PG-13. May be inappropriate for children Under 13. Okay, we now welcome on our very good friend, recurring guest. He is a media star. You can check him out on Old Man and the Three. You can check him out on Mind the GamePod, or you can listen to any of the ESPN basketball games that are going on right now in the playoffs because he's on all the time.

It's JJ Reddick. I appreciate you going on all the time. It's JJ Reddick. I appreciate you going into all the many things I'm doing right now in terms of the media landscape. It's a lot on the plate. We're putting out content for Old Man of the Three and Mind the Game and obviously traveling a bit for NBA playoffs. Very excited. Yeah, very excited. This is actually great that you're joining us right at this second because this morning,

so the Lakers got bounced from the playoffs on Monday night. Nuggets win the series four to one. The Lakers won one game in the last two years against the Nuggets in the playoffs. I've been getting into it with Lakers fans this morning because there's this idea when they show the stat that the Lakers were leading for 150, 160 minutes that the Lakers were right there. And now Darvin Ham's getting blamed by a lot

of Lakers fans. I can test that the Lakers did not have a championship roster that was deep enough that had enough two way guys that had enough bigs. Uh, and Darvin Ham, while you can criticize him, and I'm fine criticizing him, he was dealt a hand that was very difficult to beat a team like the Nuggets. What do you think about that? Yeah, here's the deal. We can't ascribe the end result and have that be an indictment on someone without the context of how that result happened. And the Denver Nuggets are the defending champion.

They approach the regular season as well as any defending champion that I can remember going back probably to the Golden State Warriors with Steph and Katie, right? They approached it trying to get it one seed. There's oftentimes a little championship hangover. They were, they were rolling.

They were healthy. You know, Jamal Murray has been banged up for going on like two months now with shin splints and some calf issues. So like they were healthy relative to what they were in the regular season. And it's a, it's, it's not a great matchup for the Lakers and it's not a great matchup for anyone really. You know, I think this Minnesota team probably matches up as well as anyone in the NBA versus the Denver Nuggets. I'm really fascinated by this series. So to lay the blame on Darwin Ham when you're playing against the defending champions and you, you lose a bunch of close games. You lose on two buzzer beaters.

Like I just, I don't buy that. I don't buy that. Now I'm not in that locker room. I'm not in those huddles. So I can't speak to that. But if we're just basing it on the result of losing in the first round, I just, I don't buy that. And I want to say one thing real quick,

because this has been bothering me for about, what time is it, 11 o'clock? This has been bothering me for about 10 hours. That last play, I do have a problem with that last play, the Jamal Murray game winner. So you've got two guys on the left side of the court for the Nuggets. KCP was on the left wing,

and Torrey and Prince's man was in the left corner. They basically clear out a side, allow the ball to get to the middle. Roy Hatchimora and Torrey and Prince, they're literally in no man's land. They've overloaded a side. You can afford to put Roy Hatchimora and Torian Prince, they're literally in no man's land. They've overloaded a side. You can afford to put Roy Hatchimora in help, and it looked like Torian Prince was telling him to go there.

Like, is that on Darwin Ham? Right. Is that on Darwin Ham? I'm not buying that. Like, if you're a basketball player, at the end of a game, hey, Torian Prince, guard two, stunt for me. Let me help on this pick and roll, right?

That's just basketball. And Hatchamora had a great season, him being in the starting, I'm not placing the blame on just Hatchamora, I'm just saying, there are certain plays within a game that can decide a game that aren't on the coach. Yeah, yeah. So even more though, I think, and I've heard this

in the media, people being like, well, if the Lakers played anyone besides the Nuggets, they're the second best team in the West. I just don't think that's true. I think the Thunder are better, I think the Timberwolves are better. This idea that the Lakers have a championship roster, they just ran into the championship team

the last two years, AD and LeBron were incredible. They were superheroes in this series. They just didn't have enough dudes to play against Denver for seven games series or probably play against the Timberwolves or probably play against the Thunder. I just, I really do think it comes down to their roster wasn't deep enough and they didn't have enough guys that they could rely on who could play two ways and give it a bunch of different looks and then when you're the coach and you don't have those like you know cards that you can deal out of your hand it does make you look worse. Yeah that's that's the NBA and that is the danger of going into coaching. Yeah, which you're not

gonna do. Definitely not. That is the danger, right? 100%. Talent wins, depth wins, roster construction, how pieces fit, all that stuff. That is the ultimate thing. And look, it's funny because you look in, let's just say regular season, D'Angelo Russell had a great year, Austin Reeves had a great year, Hatchamora was more than solid,

and you had two guys who were gonna make all NBA teams in Anthony Davis and LeBron James. had a great year, Hachimora was more than solid and you had two guys who were going to make all NBA teams and Anthony Davis and LeBron James. I think some of it speaks to not only everybody's like, ah, the depth of the West, the depth of the West. Here's my argument for the NBA right now. I think the overall talent depth, meaning the amount of really good players in the NBA is as high as it's ever been. And that depth of talent is spread out more than it's ever been. There's not the concentration of three really good players on one team, three really good players on another team. There's the concentration of two or three really good players on a bunch of teams. So I don't think this Lakers team was a bad team. I just think they were good

relative to the rest of the NBA. Right. Good. Not championship contenders. That's kind of what I come down to. The media wants to tell us that the Lakers were on the cusp of winning a title if they didn't run into the Nuggets back to back years. You're listening to the wrong media. I mean, I watch it first take. You're listening to the wrong media. I mean, that's why I watch you on TV. Yeah, it's first take. You're on all the time.

That's why you're not going to get a coach. You're going to miss yelling at Mad Dog and Stephen A's myth too much. We do love you on TV, though, because sometimes it feels like you and Stephen A or you and Mad Dog are speaking two different languages. Mad Dog will be doing the hot take like screaming at the camera about the old Knicks

from the 1970s and then you're just trying to break down the game in front of them and it's like you're trying to educate people. Mad Dog's trying to make people mad. And so it's like this conversation, you're probably never gonna reach a consensus agreement in this conversation but it's very entertaining TV. Yeah, you can make a career out of,

I don't wanna say antagonizing people, but I would say having strong opinions, even if I believe some of those opinions are not rooted in reality. But at the end of the day, all of this, and you guys know this, Dan, you talked about this when you came on Our podcast on the old man and the three I guess that was probably a year and a half ago Like this is all an escape. It's all entertainment. Yeah, and and you know, we we

when we were talking about doing this mind the game podcast and I Thought there was an Elaine for and I thought there was a lane for education, for trying to make the average fan a little more intuitive when watching a game. That's all it is. It doesn't mean that the entertainment portion or the debate shows are bad.

People wanna escape, people wanna be entertained. And I think there's a world where you could have both. Yeah. I agree. Sometimes if you do it well, you can do both at the same time. Yeah. I absolutely agree. So another team I want to talk about. So I think we settled the Lakers like they're a good team. They were not a great team. If you put the best coach in the world, I still don't think the Lakers are winning the title this year. That was kind of my semi-defense of Darwin Ham, who I don't think is great. Are you playing to the algorithm right now? No. Are you playing to the Lakers are winning the title this year. That was kind of my semi-defense of Darwin Ham, who I don't think is... Are you playing to the algorithm right now?

No. Are you playing to the Lakers algorithm? Yeah. It just crazy to me when a team loses and everyone's like, the coach has to be fired. It's like, but maybe the team wasn't that great. Yeah. I don't know if the best coach in the league could have taken the Lakers and had them beat the Nuggets because the Nuggets... Right. The Nuggets in their own way, they're a super team, but they're a homegrown super, they've got great role players. They've got great, they've got star power. They've got guys at multiple positions that can go out and get 30 on any given night.

And then you've got Jokic. That's just a piece of a puzzle that you can't solve. And I'm actually, I'm excited to see what happens in the next round because I think maybe you can educate us on this because I'm fighting like an internal battle in my brain over which way the Rudy Gobert, Jokic matchup is going to go. On one hand, I think that Gobert is such a good defender that they're going to put him one on one on Jokic, which could go a couple of ways. It could have Jokic just go out there and dominate him because he's not getting help or it could go like they're going to try to eliminate Jokic's ability to kick the

ball out and hit open threes when you do draw the double team. So can you talk us through what that matchup is going to look like and if the Wolves have a better chance than most at beating the Nuggets? Yeah. So if you go back to last year's playoffs and games this season, a lot of times, and the Wolves now are not the only team that does this, but a lot of times teams will cross match with Jokic. Because Denver really wants to score in the paint,

and it's not necessarily on drives. It's out of cuts. It's Aaron Gordon in the dunker spot. It's obviously Jokic when he gets a deep catch. It's Jamal Murray, Michael's Aaron Gordon in the dunker spot, it's obviously Yokoch when he gets a deep catch, it's Jamal Murray, Michael Porter Jr. on back cuts. They're not like, Oklahoma City, for example, is heavy points in the paint team, but they drive 63 times a game.

They lead the league in drives per game. Say Gilder's Alexander has the most drives per game in the NBA, right? They drive the basketball. Denver wants to be in the NBA, right? They drive the basketball. Denver wants to be in the paint, they do it a little differently. So the counter to that is, and it's also to keep Gobert at the rim,

is you put Carlenthe Towns on him, you put Nas Reed on him, you put Kyle Anderson on him, and Gobert can still sit back there and protect the rim because Aaron Gordon is a non-shooting threat. A lot of teams, I say this on broadcasts all the time, the shot that teams are willing to live with against the Denver Nuggets is an Aaron Gordon three.

And so that cross match kind of eliminates some of that need to double because as Jokic gets deeper, Gobert is right there at the rim and as he often says, he can be in two places at once, just like a Wemba Nyama. Right. These guys are that smart and that big and that long that they can be in two places at once and still maybe get a late contest, but also be there to sort of clean up anything, any dump down passes to Gordon.

So that's what I would expect Minnesota to do. And even going back to last year year if you remember that first round series Jamal Murray was incredible as he was throughout the playoffs jade McDaniel's punched a wall The last regular season game, so he missed that series. He's an outstanding defender He showed some of that in that Phoenix series in round one So I would expect jade McDaniel's to be on Jamal Murray no No Nas Reid either last year. I'm not trying to create an argument for why Minnesota's gonna win. I'm creating an argument for why I think this is gonna be

high level, intense, six or seven game series. Both these teams are outstanding. Yeah, I'm very excited for that series. Another question I had, we saw the Suns get bounced in a sweep to the Wolves. Are we done with the super teams because if you look around Like it does feel you have the nuggets homegrown you have the Celtics homegrown You have even you know, the Knicks have done a really good job with their roster the wolves

Homegrown the Thunder homegrown a lot of these teams now that are ascending feel like you know They they've gotten the pieces the long-term way instead of saying, oh, here's a star. Let's add him to the roster and throw away all of our role players. Do we think this is finally like the Suns were? I saw your whole clip about a failed experiment. Like they're long-term invested in these guys, but I don't know how they don't have a lot of flexibility in changing that roster Correct. I said at the beginning of the year in in one of our season preview podcasts like this year could be and whether it's like Like stamped meaning it's it's final but it could be at least the beginning of the death of the super team

Yeah, part of that is the new second apron in the CBA, and just sort of a brief explainer of that. We have a salary cap. You can go to a certain point over the salary cap. You pay luxury tax. There's a first apron and then a second apron. Once you get to that second apron, you're essentially hard capped,

which means you're really limited in what you can do in terms of transactions. So you have no exceptions. You basically have to sign players for minimum contracts and sign your own draft picks. And obviously the outside of this year, the sons don't have any draft picks from 2025 to 2030. All of those are either traded away or they they're swapped, meaning they can't trade them because teams can swap, let's say 2027, you can swap with them, right? So they're extremely limited by that second apron. And it's because of them going all in on Kevin Durant, them going all in on Bradley Beal.

Bradley Beal has a no trade clause. So yeah, in some ways, the proof, at least to me, over the last few years, it goes back to the depth of talent, but the proof to me is, you need to build through the draft. And then be positioned with a good salary cap situation, with good young players, with draft picks, to then make an impactful trade.

Denver did that. They drafted Jamal Murray, they drafted Jokic, they drafted Michael Porter Jr., cap situation with good young players with draft picks to then make an impactful trade. Denver did that. They drafted Jamal Murray, they drafted Jokic, they drafted Michael Porter Jr. They've drafted Peyton Watson, they drafted Christian Brown. They used players they drafted to go out and get ACP, Aaron Gordon. Those are the timely trades. And all of a sudden, now all the pieces fit and they've got one of the best, if not the best, starting five in the NBA. Boston, right? Brown drafted, Hadam drafted, Marcus Smart drafted, turned him into poor Zingas.

Rob Williams drafted. They stole Malcolm Brogdon from Indiana two years ago. They used Malcolm Brogdon and Rob Williams to go get Drew Holliday. So you have to draft well, that's my point. If go get Drew Holliday. So you have to draft well. That's my point. Like if you want to build a team now, you have to draft well. But this is why I say it's not necessarily the death of the super team because certain owners are always going to operate a certain way. And certain owners are always going to think they can shortcut it and buy their way to a championship.

Yeah. Yeah. That's what I would think. Like we're talking about that on Monday's show. If we were owners, that's how we would operate right when we got a team. We just be like, yeah, let's get KD. Yeah, let's go build a two K team. Let's go build a two K team. It's exciting for the NBA that it does feel like we're getting away from that where there aren't the shortcuts and the teams that put in the draft and make the savvy moves and trades are being rewarded. Like that's good for the league in my opinion. I agree and I think it helps the overall product, which the product should be the game. The

product should not be transactions. Yes. And look, people are going to live in that world forever. It's what gets people excited on social media. The idea of getting this person in free agency, the idea of getting this person in a trade, I get it. It's exciting. And everybody plays 2k and everybody likes to build out their rosters and get their packs and get their cards and then decide which player they're getting rid of, like we all want to be a GM in some ways, right? I get it.

However, because of more parody, I thought between parity, the depth of talent, the rule changes around minimum games played, where you had so many guys. I mean, LeBron and AD played the most games together they played in their Lakers tenure. Kawhi played more games since I think 2016 or 2017. So these things have created a better regular season. And if anyone was paying attention to that, instead of just using the same old talking points about how load management does not really exist anymore. There's rule, you can't rest two stars in a nationally televised game. Like the league implemented enough policies,

those policies worked, the in-season tournament was an overall success, the playing has been a massive success. There's more, to me, the product right now is better than it's ever been in my time in the NBA, going back to 2006. Yeah, and I'm glad that you brought that up. Let's not completely trash the Lakers this year.

They won the in-season tournament. Yeah. That's huge. That's huge. They're mayor. The mayor of LA congratulated them. It's not a lost season. They had a lot of success. They won one out of two tournaments this year. Also they put, I think, I think greenie put up a banner that the Lakers would have maybe

beaten the thunder or timber wolves if they had matched up against them in the first round. They would have matched up well. Yeah, they would have. So that's huge. Yeah. It's a good season. That's winning basketball in LA and I'm glad to see it. So how would you fix Phoenix? Because it seems, it seems like they don't really have. Can I ask you a question? Those binners fly forever. I feel like you're laughing at those binners. This is a serious question.

I wanna ask you this question. Why do you think, and I don't know how much you got, actually you guys joke around and it's sometimes a bit, so I'll take you off the table. But why do you think that people like to talk about hypotheticals so much, and why do people like to listen to people talking about hypotheticals so much? Because it's fanfic for dudes.

It's like, this is gossip magazines for guys. This is how we use our imagination. Guys, once you start reading books in high school or college or wherever, where you give up like reading the fantasy books that you used to when you were a kid, this is what you spend your mental energy on. You just imagine like, what if, what if LeBron went to the Celtics? Yeah. Could they win?

You could never be, yeah, you can never be wrong in a hypothetical world too. So you can just be, you know, we could debate it forever. I think specifically for the Lakers hypotheticals that have been happening. I think that's just, and you know this, being on first take from time to time, like talking about the Lakers in LeBron is what people will tune into. So when they're down 3-0, you can't be like, oh, the Lakers are cooked.

You have to instead do 20 minutes saying, the Lakers would have beaten everyone else. Yeah, you can't let go of that cash cow. Actually, you know what? Maybe JJ, maybe you bring this up next time you're on. If the Dallas Cowboys signed LeBron at tight end, would they be able to compete for a Superbowl? Combine all their favorite things together. Yeah. That's good. Yeah. That's good. I say no, no, no. I think you probably have to add Aaron judge. Maybe as a tight end. Yeah. Aaron judge judge tight end LeBron wide receiver Just get everybody. Yeah, it would be a better wide receiver LeBron or Michael Jordan. Ooh

Good question. Who's who's more entertaining Patrick Mahomes or Steph Curry? Patrick Mahomes now Patrick Mahomes. He mean he was he was on Monday Night Raw. Yeah, he gave his rings curry curry Low-key, what you guys listen to would you guys listen to someone talking for 20 minutes about Anthony Edwards hypotheticals? Yes. Yes. I find him pretty fascinating. He's, okay, I actually wanted to ask about him because he is, he's such a killer and I love that. Like that's what sports, I know there's a million things, reasons to watch sports, but at the top of my list is watching a guy elevate his game in big moments and have that shit to him where he's like, not only is going

to kill you, but he's going to, he's going to do the suck it. He's going to talk his shit. Um, are you like just watching Anthony Edwards? Are you, are you watching it being like this guy is going to own the league for years to come? Like he has that it factor both on and off court? Ultimately, the face of the league and whoever kind of is the guy, right? You have to win at a high level to do that. So that remains to be seen.

However, he's certainly gonna be in that conversation for the next 10 years. He is entertaining as a player. He's got the game that I think people gravitate to, the same way that Jordan had a certain game, Kobe had a certain game, AI had a certain game, Steph, right, there's the flash, the fundamentals. I mean, some of the footwork stuff that he does

is so underrated. And then he's got, as you said, the shit, some of the footwork stuff that he does is so underrated. And then he's got, as you said, the shit to him, right? He's brash, he's competitive. I find it fascinating, by the way, because I remember this, and I wanna say I was finishing up my career, but when he was coming out of Georgia, the question marks around him were like,

does he love basketball and is he competitive? And if you watch that guy play in the playoffs, and you're like, how is that ever a concern? I don't know. He's remarkable. Katie said this the other day after game four. He's like, that guy's my favorite player to watch in the league. And I know, I've had a number of players

even in retirement where I'm like, I want to watch this guy. I want to watch this guy. And now like Anthony Edwards has moved into the sort of that here one of just like, if he's on, I'm watching the T Wolves. Yeah. I'm like, I was kind of bummed that they swept the sons cause it's like, Oh, we just got robbed of a couple of Anthony Edwards games. Like I want to, I like, you know, it off nights, it's every other night. I'm like, Oh, where's my Anthony Edwards game tonight? I want to watch him dunk on people and talk shit and Katie laughing. Katie was just, he couldn't do anything except just laugh when, when he was on when he knows he's like, yeah, this guy is, this guy's awesome. I like watching

playing watching him play like right up close and right next to him. And it's perfect timing too. Cause I know that you don't love these Debates but it does feel like these playoffs are a little bit of a passing of the torch playoffs where you don't have KD Steph or LeBron in the second round and you have some of these young Whether it be Anthony Edwards or Jalen Brunson what he's doing with the the Knicks like some of these younger guys Ascending it's just always fun when that happens at the same time and you're like, this is great because these are the guys

we're gonna be watching for the next decade. We're working on a project right now. I think it got announced. It's like the drive or survive of the NBA playoffs. Oh, okay. And we're like co-producing it and I remember going back, Jason Gallagher, who I think you guys know, who you've been around, our head of production, we're working on it

on the 342 side and going back to our conversations all the way back in October when the season started, that was the whole thesis for us going into this season is, you know, I, I said, uh, this Phoenix suns thing, that's going to be interesting to watch roster. Uh, do the pieces fit? Do they have enough depth? Is there redundancy with their best players?

Like it's going to be interesting to watch. Right. How much does LeBron have left in the tank? Right. Golden state. Are they going to be good? I don't know. Feels like Minnesota is going to be pretty good this year.

Feels like Oklahoma city is probably going to make a jump. There could be a passing of the torch. Now I had no idea that Jaylen Brunson was going to put together an MVP type season. Uh, and certainly if Yokech wins another one, uh, then some of this conversation is moot and it's just like, nah, Jokic is the guy. He's the guy, right? But yeah, this is interesting because Kevin's out, LeBron's out, Steph's out, and those guys have,

I don't wanna say carried the league, but they've certainly been as integral as anyone for the last 10 to 15 years. Yeah, it's interesting you brought up the Yocic MVP thing. It's important to have this debate. Do you think that if Yocic won his third MVP, he would be the worst three time MVP winner of all time? Yocic to me

is is already a top 15 player of all time. And I know that that's maybe a hot take. I don't really care. You took Kevin Durant out? What's up? You took Kevin Durant out of the top 15? No. Oh.

No, I didn't. You gotta take someone out. Who was number 15? Kevin wasn't close to 15. Okay, you gotta wait and put him in, you put him in, you gotta take someone out. I only do 12, I usually only do 12. That's why I use the 15,

because that gives me wiggle room. Then I don't have to take anybody out. I can read you. You know what I mean? I've only ever done a definitive 12, who I think is the 12th. The other three three-time MVPs are Moses Malone, Larry Bird, Magic Johnson.

So would that make Jokic the worst three-time MVP winner? I don't feel that way. So who would you take out? I don't feel that way. Moses? I say this all the time. You guys love to bait me into these things where you compare eras. Legit question. No, you do.

And it's fine. But I'll say this. The best players in any era would be fine in any other era, save for maybe one era. And the players that killed in their era, they should be celebrated, and they should be recognized as all-time greats. So why would we not recognize Nikola Jokic as an all-time great?

Why are we changing it for modern players? I think what you're doing is you're adding Jokic to the top 12 of all time. And if we looked at it, I think you're probably top 15 is more like 25 and you're just someone's got to keep you honest. It's going to keep it's us. That's our job. We got to keep you on a JJ Reddick top 12 tracker just to make sure that you're not fudging the numbers. I'm taking, I'm taking Will Chamberlain out. He's gone. Jokic is in. See how easy that be on a JJ Reddick top 12 tracker just to make sure that you're not fudging the numbers. I'm taking Will Chamberlain out. He's gone. Yokoji is in. See how easy that was?

Okay. Do you think he actually dropped 100 points? Do I think Will Chamberlain did? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Unless I've been given reason not to believe. I mean, he had the picture with the sheet of paper, right? So you have to believe it. Yeah. That's as good as gold. Yeah, yeah can't lie about that. Yeah You should just respond with like if somebody does ask you that question about Yoke

It's just say he's on my Mount Rushmore of three-time MVP winners. Mmm. Oh, there we go. Yeah, there's only there we go Is there you're good. So back to the Sun's real quick How how would you fix the Sun's because that to me seems like a riddle that's very hard to figure out Like you mentioned Bradley Beal's contract. Am I interviewing for jobs right now? Yeah. What is going on? No, I'm curious because like the Suns,

it seems like they've dealt their way into a black hole where it's like I don't know how they get out of this over the next five years, but there's gotta be some way out, right? If you're being creative, how would you fix the Suns? Wind shares per 48, which is the stat that is most closely associated with whoever wins the MVP. All time in the NBA.

Number two is Michael Jordan. All right, that tracks. Number one is Nikola Jokic. Just wanna throw that out there. I know you guys don't like advanced stats, but oftentimes they just reinforce what the eye shows us. I love them. Here's an advanced stat.

Michael Jordan was 6-0 in the finals. I love him. I keep going with your point. How many times did he get to the final six? Okay. So, Phoenix. You know, it's interesting, It's a very interesting question. I would look at sort of team building in a very holistic way, beyond just, Oh, we got to trade this guy or trade that guy, or we got to, we got to, you know, revamp

the coaching staff. Like, I don't, I wasn't in that locker room, so I don't know. I would say in general, the exit interviews are oftentimes very revealing. And you have to look at any roster, any team, and look at how personalities mesh together and how skill sets mesh together. And it's not easy, because all 29 teams are also competing for something and also want to win a trade or win a transaction. That's the difficulty of being in the front office. But if you can find the right formula, and it might take three months, it may take six months, it may take three years. But you have to be willing, I think, to,

as an owner, you have to be willing to be patient with that. And look, that's not a shot at Ishby at all. I think we've seen a number of new owners come in and make moves right away and want to win. And that's not really how the NBA works. And they learn and they get better and they become great owners. One of the best examples I have of an owner who didn't do that was Steve Ballmer. Steve Ballmer took over in 2014

after the Donald Sterling saga. And it was like 15 and 16. I remember he would meet with us, we would have dinner with him, he would ask us questions. He made no big decisions other than, I think in 16 we had new uniforms. But in terms of like our roster,

nothing big, coaching, nothing big. Then in 17, Lawrence Frank went from our coaching staff up to the front office. Lawrence Frank spent like a year going around literally the world and going to different teams and saying, all right, man United, how do you operate? All right, Seattle Seahawks, how do you operate? And he figured out how to build out a proper infrastructure in the front office. If you remember, we really didn't have a front office under Donald,

Donald Sterling, right? It wasn't until Ballmer got there. He took his time. He didn't he didn't make any crazy transactions. He took his time and and you know Obviously Kwai's injury probably keeps them from a championship But I think they've done it the right way. Yeah, it's interesting with the the exit interviews You've been through a few of them I would imagine. How does that go? Who conducts them?

What questions are asked? And how honest are guys? I mean, I was always honest, especially later on in my career. Every team is different. There were some teams where you would have three different ones. You might have one with the owner,

you might have one with the front office, you might have one with the coaching staff. Other ones. You just have one. You'd have one with the front office and the coaching staff. I think in Dallas, I actually had all three together. It was Cuban, Donnie Nelson and Rick Carlisle. And they were just like, Hey, you didn't play trade didn't work out. Probably probably gonna retire, feel free to just let loose. Tell us what you think. Yeah. Yeah. That's gotta be nice to just unload and be like, I've been thinking about this for a while.

I would just. Here you go, take it. Get out of pen and paper because I'm gonna go off for a while. I would just pit everyone against each other. I'd be like, I just finished up with KD. Like I'd meet with Bradley Beal, I'd be like, I just finished up with KD

and he said it was all your fault, Bradley. What do you think? I can interrogate. You know what's funny? Is not necessarily teammates, but there's been some people that work for organizations that I've played for that did exactly that. Yeah.

They're all trying to save their own job. Yeah, they're all trying to save their own job. Who was that person? Can you name their name? Guys, we've gone over time. All right, all right. Is there a stop snitching thing? Like you don't talk about another teammate

when you're in those interviews? I never, I never felt like, I don't think guys snitched on their teammates. I don't think it was like that. I think it was more when certain guys would be like up for free agency or like, you know, like even in 17, I had a terrible first round and I knew like no one had to go in,

none of my teammates had to go into the front office or to Lawrence Frank or Doc Rivers would be like, hey, we really have to bring JJ back. How's that gone for us? Like, no, they'd be like, it, we really have to bring JJ back. How's that gone for us? Like, no, they'd be like, yeah, it's, it's probably pretty much said I was turning 33 and we'd gone on a four year run and didn't get the result we wanted. I figured it was likely I was going to be out of there and they weren't going to offer me a contract. Yeah. What's, what's harder, the, the exit interview with your front office and coach

or the exit interview that players do with Shams. I've never talked to Shams. Yeah. So I don't know. A lot of players do. And those articles are ready to go the minute a team gets bounced. What about when, uh, when Darwin Ham goes into LeBron's office and LeBron starts conducting the exit interview? How do you think, what do you think he's going to say to LeBron? LeBron's corner office? Yeah. You guys are ridiculous. All right. I got some basketball questions. Thunder, unbelievable story. How the NBA usually works is teams have to climb the mountain. They have to have playoff, get close, get close, then jump over the hurdle, the last hurdle. The nuggets are the perfect example those last few years. The Thunder had been called

too young, but if the Thunder can win it all, I guess that's the first question, can they win it all? And if they do, what happened? Do you see this team being able to actually buck all the trends and be like, yeah, this is their first real playoff experience, and they went all the way? I could see a scenario where they are in the NBA finals and could win a championship, yeah. I could see that scenario. What would have to happen? First of all, health.

Second of all, I think you have to have in certain matchups a series where Chet Holmgren shoots the shit out of the ball and forces the defense into making some tough decisions, i.e. are you switching a five man onto Shea? Are you switching a five man onto Jalen Williams and not, you know, playing off of Chet Holmgren? He kind of unlocks their spacing, right? All those drives, when he's on the court, it matters. So him shooting the ball well,

he's been one of the best defenders in the NBA this year. Lou Dort we saw in the first round just in Brandon Ingram's shit for four games. So he's staying out of foul trouble, defending at a high level. Jalen and Shea have to be, they have to be who they are. They have to be stars. I don't think enough people realize how good Jalen Williams is. Like, Oklahoma City, whatever you think of Chet as a second year guy, rookie, whatever, Jalen Williams is a star in the NBA. He's not a superstar, but he is a star,

and he is a true number two. He's fucking phenomenal. And then they have to shoot. They were one of the best three point shooting teams, not necessarily at high volume, but one of the best three point shooting teams all season long, and they have to shoot. They were one of the best three point shooting teams, not necessarily at high volume, but one of the best three point shooting teams all season long. And they have to shoot it well. Yeah. And you forgot Dorcher chamber Lou Dort. I love watching. I said, Lou Dort, I said, Lou Dort, Lou Dort is branding him shit all four games in that series. He's the, he's the best because like having one of those

guys is so important where it's like, we're just going to put him on your best player and just make life. Yeah, your best player still might score, but he's going to make it hard for him every single night. Yeah. I would also say- How about Gidey when they created separation there in game four? Gidey makes three straight threes in like three minutes. There's another thing that has to happen. He's got to be- teams are playing off of him.

He's got to be willing to shoot threes and it you know if he goes through a series and makes 35 percent. All right. And all right much like a shot to win much like the the Mahomes and Travis Kelsey State Farm commercials. You kind of know that they're going to be they're going to be in the Super Bowl probably. Same thing with Oklahoma City and the what a pro wants what a What a Pro Needs commercial, where everybody's absolutely in love with that thing and you know they're gonna wanna keep them around for as long as possible. I know you're being facetious.

You like that song. Oh, that's right. I'm well aware of the discourse on Twitter right now. What a Pro Needs. So good. Whatever makes you happy. We've neglected the East a little bit. We talked a little bit about the Knicks

They're playing against the Sixers tonight. So when this episode comes out that will be old news What's your official prediction? Don't look at your watch. We got you for another 35 minutes easy. No, I'm Somebody from ESPN is texting me my schedule for this week. Oh, they're like to figure out they're like You're trying to find my take there's a sniper outside your house what game I'm gonna have Friday. Oh, they're like trying to figure out. They're like, you're trying to find my take. There's a sniper outside your house. What game I'm going to have Friday. Yeah. Sorry, guys. What came? Do you want to announce it right now? What came? You're gonna have Friday. I'll have game six in Dallas. Oh, okay. Okay. Yeah. The the the east sixers, Knicks, quick prediction. You'll look very smart if you get this right. Uh for this series or for tonight for tonight, I don't

do one game predictions. I fuck one game. I don't do one game predictions. I fuck one game predictions. All right, so predict a series. I think the Knicks are gonna win the series. Okay, so do the Knicks pose a threat to the presumptive Eastern Conference finalist, Boston Celtics? They do.

They do. A lot has to go right, but it's hard for me to like dismiss what exactly this Knicks team is. Because, you know, we have talked, we have talked for years now about this like heat culture thing. Like you have to, you have to kill the heat. The heat are not going to like Like you have to, you have to kill the heat. The heat are not going to like give in. They're going to fight to the death. Right.

And I think this next team is similar. They pursue offensive rebounds like better than any team I've seen in recent memory. If you guys remember like eight to 10 years ago, teams refused to send people to the offensive class. Like the offensive rebounding rates plummeted. Everybody was so worried about transition defense. refused to send people to the offensive glass. Like the offensive rebounding rates plummeted. Everybody was so worried about transition defense.

And this Knicks team is just phenomenal on the offensive glass. They've got a true leader, and I'll say it, a true 1A. A true 1A in Jalen Brunson. A true 1A in Jalen Brunson. Yeah, they posed a threat. They posed a threat.

I said this when they made the trade for OG. Initially, I was like, all right, they won that trade, and it's not to say Toronto didn't win that trade for them either with getting RJ and Emmanuel quickly. The Knicks became a better team because it was a better fit, right? OG is a better fit. What else did that trade do?

It allowed Miles McBride to move into the starting lineup. So the loss of quickly, which I thought could potentially be an issue, Miles McBride, last month and a half of the season, 15 points a game, 43% from three, he filled that role. OG with that lineup, he makes them better. So by the end of January I said look I think this is probably depending on seeding and how playoff matchups shake out, this is probably a conference finalist team. I would expect them to be in the, I've said that many times this

season, that that is a real possibility. So I'm not surprised that they're in a position where they got to win one more game and then one more round and they're there. As a future coach, let me throw out an idea for you that I've been working on. Joel Embiid always runs out of gas. Has any team ever thought about in the third quarter, because you know you got to sit him at some point because he can always run out of gas, sit him for like seven minutes, take nothing but shot clock violations, and then do nothing but follow the other team at the end of but shot clock violations and then do nothing but foul the other team at the end of their shot clock and just hope that the lead doesn't get too big. You put in all your bench guys you just pass the ball around and then you wait and then you wait you're just burning time you're literally like

running out of time. You're burning real time. Yes, yes. You're burning because the fouls, the pause, you're taking all 24 seconds Yes. Yes. You're burning cause the fouls, the pause, all 24 seconds. So a seven minute break could potentially turn into like a 35 or 40 minute break in real time. Correct. He basically, he'd go take a shower. He can like go through warmups again, have a meal. Maybe I just be like, Oh no, this the fourth quarter is now the first quarter. Have you thought about that? I haven't thought about that. It's an interesting strategy. If I get one more Knicks game in this series, I will ask Nick Nurse about that. I'll pose

that question to him in the pregame coaches meeting. I like that. Put that on your PowerPoint for your next coaches interview. Like here's a strategy. You could use all your dead ball fouls one right after the other and then have substitutions at every single foul. Yeah. And so you can get at least 12 minutes. Have him walk real slow. Maybe get like a big like Samoan guy and have him walk real slow onto the court. Utah sometimes does that with their defensive subs in football.

Do that. These are all good ideas. All right. You're just saying you haven't thought about this. I got two more questions. You're mad. You're getting out thought on part of my take right now. Mr. X's and O's never thought outside the game. Okay, I have a couple more questions. You're mad. You're getting out-thought on part of my take right now. Mr. X's and O's never thought outside the game.

Okay, I have a couple last questions. I know you gotta go in a second. You are with DraftKings, we're with DraftKings. One series we haven't talked about, Mavs Clips, which is going to be game five on Wednesday night. Awesome game. Can you give us a pick and maybe we'll add one and then we'll tell the people this is what we like.

What do you think, it could be a prop, it could be a spread, whatever. Give us what you think's gonna happen in this game. Not great at one game, thanks. Actually, I did this yesterday for our YouTube video series, Islands in the League. DraftKings presents that, it's like a 30 minute show and the end of the show is we always touch on two or three sort of lines or whatever and based on the odds of the

series Vegas is basically it's a pick them series right. I think it's like plus 185 plus 190 so not a whole lot of advantage to picking either team in a 2-2 series. I would, here's what I think, Luka's gonna have a big game five. That's what I think. So whatever you wanna do with that, I think Luka's gonna have a big game five. I think we maybe go Luka and Playoff P. Luka, Playoff P, I had Kyrie over four and a half assists.

That would play into the Luka factor. Yeah, Luka, Playoff P and Kyrie. Mm, that sounds assists, that would play into the Luca factor too. Yeah, Luca, playoff, P, and Kyrie. Mm, that sounds good. Sounds really good to me. Yeah, that sounds really good. You like that, JJ? You like that? I do. Also, James Hardenoff, two days of rest.

That's true. That's big for him. When was the last time you played basketball? Do you still shoot? Not really. You gotta come to our office. Bro, I don't get bulls games, because they're so mediocre.

I know, they're the definition of mediocre, but yeah. I do, I've been promising my oldest son that we'll do a late summer, early fall trip to Chicago. Yes! If that happens, we will come through. He will obviously love to get in the gym. I played, we did a random Sunday morning pickup with my travel team and parents, I played, we did a random Sunday morning pickup

with my travel team and parents, and we just kind of mixed in four groups. You played to five, and then the next group would come on. And that was like in October. That was the last time I played, but I mean, I was playing against nine-year-olds, so like, I wasn't really playing. And then I woke up the next day, and I felt like I strained my calf,

and I'm so fearful because of my Achilles injury my last year that I'm gonna tear my Achilles so I probably won't probably won't play again to be honest with you I like how you said my travel team I thought it was like the team the team you travel with not your actual like you know what you know what you know you know what is crushing to me I had to I had to stop coaching them after our last they just had one this past weekend that I wasn't at. So once the playoffs started, I went to our Monday practice and I just said, guys, I'm sorry.

I'm gonna miss every weekend. I can't coach you anymore. It's impossible. Okay, I have one last question, JJ. It's the rowback question, r-h-o-b-a-c-k.com. Promo code take, 20% off your first purchase. Q-zips, polos, hoodies, joggers, shorts. Roeback.com promo code take. This has been great. We love having you on. I love the Roeback question, by the way. I know I say this every time I come on the

show. You know, we did this for a while. We did this for about six months last year. We had the Roeback question. The last question, great gear. Do you think you're in good enough standings with Duke that your sons no matter how they turn out as basketball players Will at least get the spot as 15th man Cuz that would like a walk on yeah, right. I think you are I Think so. Yeah, I think so. I mean that that would rule like I don't know they're actually they're going to the Duke camp this summer Oh great. It sounds like fun. Sounds awesome. First look. Yeah, I'm sure they're gonna learn so much.

They're gonna learn about the brotherhood. That's gonna be great. Seems like a lot of guys are leaving the brotherhood. Here's how you take a charge properly. Yeah. Okay, we're gonna do, here's 30 minutes on slapping the floor. Yeah.

Here's how if you lose the game, you can tell everyone that it's just a game and it doesn't really matter, but if you win the game, you go into the other coach's locker room and you try to coach the other team. These are all things you're going to learn. No, you're you're you're anti coach K bit. I've witnessed it and seen it for years. I got to tell you, I'm starting to appreciate it. Last time you talked to Pete was last time I talked to Pete. Yeah, justice. I don't know. Okay. Maybe you should

reach out and just ask how he's doing. It's sad because like he had to absorb all those losses and then he doesn't even get the brotherhood reaching out to him to check in and see how he's doing. He's probably sad all the time with all those losses. Brothers got to check on brothers. Yeah. Pete, if you're listening, he's an AWL, long time Stooley. He probably care about you. Listen, he's probably probably like, you guys have my back. We care about you, Pete. Only people in media. This is the real brotherhood, Pete.

Yeah. Yeah. Was this fun for you? Yeah. JJ, you are the best. We do like you, JJ. Yeah, we love having you on. Even when you had that weird rant

where you made fun of fans and you're like, fans don't wanna learn, I even prefaced my tweet defending you, not really defending you, saying don't want to learn. I even prefaced my tweet defending you, not really defending you, saying I like JJ a lot. So. You know what's funny? I asked a question. That's all I did.

I didn't make fun of anyone. I asked a question. No, you call this dumb. You had a conversation with fans. I said, do fans even want to be educated? It's a valid question. Sometimes. Some people don't, and that's fine.

I wasn't, and that's fine. There was no judgment. There was no judgment. I was more upset because Stephen A said that Kevin Durant has done a bad job of educating fans as if that's his job, right? I thought it was Kevin Durant's job to go play basketball and be all NBA

and try to win a championship. That seems like his job. That's what he's paid to do. To your point, a lot of times we don't want to learn. A lot of times we just want to be bad. We just want to talk about the Lakers if they would have beaten the Thunder. Yeah, like when Duke beat JMU this year,

I didn't want to learn about why Duke's offense worked. I was just like, fuck Duke, these pieces of shit. There are some times when I watch a game that I have to make a choice. Am I watching this game through a critical lens and actually paying attention? Or as if I'm just fucking watching it as like a fan and just chilling.

And it's entertainment and I'll like tune in for three minutes and then kind of zone out and then tune in for three minutes and then it's like, oh, it's the last eight minutes, all right, I'm gonna lock in. Yeah. It's an escape. Yeah.

I like just having basketball on. There's nothing wrong with that. Yeah. All his life. All right, well, JJ, everyone go check out his podcast and you'll hear him calling games. Do tell Nick Nurse about my strategy. I think it would work.

And best of luck for your future interviews for head coaching jobs. Thanks, guys. Thanks, JJ. for having me on. Appreciate the conversation. Thank you for having me on. Yes. Yes. Thank you for none of the fucking digs. All right. Thanks JJ. All right. See you man. JJ Reddick was brought to you by Verizon. our great friends at Verizon. I'm really excited for the NHL playoffs. I love seeing teams advance. I love seeing overtime games, overtime hockey. I love the periods of the week. So many great periods in this year's playoffs. Fortunately, the caps are out, but it does look like the Rangers are a wagon. And Verizon's fast, reliable network lets you stream the games and the draft or on the go.

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Long time AWL and this is something I've always been curious about. Every time Big Cat introduces a guest he says we have a very, very, very special guest. Not every time. He uses a different amount of varies for different guests usually ranging from one to four varies. Correct. What is the criteria behind getting more varies versus less? Well I think- Do you make it up ahead of time or does he come up with it on the fly?

Not to answer for you Big Cat, but also there is one, there's a couple times I can remember where Big Cat said we have a special guest. Yeah. And that's the ultimate slide. I think Shkreli was like that. Also, there's been a time where I said we have a guest. A guest, yeah. That was Aaron Rodgers.

Yep. Yeah. No, I don't make it up ahead of time. It's usually based on vibes. Usually recurring guests get very, very, very, I think in person, the hype gets bigger. Yeah. It's kind of a way to just, you know, it makes someone feel at ease. Like, Hey, you're very, very, very special. Just don't let any of the guests know that I do that for almost all of them. I think Jamis Winston got a record amount of various. You know what? I'm going to, at some point in the next three months,

I'm gonna do an interview. I'm gonna try to hit like seven varies. Just keep going. I'm gonna get a big dog. Yeah, we're gonna get a big dog. Be the entire interview. Yeah. Hold on one sec, very, very, very.

We're gonna get Skip Bayless on this. Someone randomly asked me out the other day and I was like. Yeah. Yeah. Hey, where's Mr. Pair? I thought we were doing a pick mr. pear six and two mr. pear is a very very very very special friend mr. pear is having some issues with actually we should get two turtles I think it needs a friend or we put a rat in there have them fight like battlebots? Yeah.

Mr. Pear, he's gonna pick the Clippers and the Mavs game because we we've taken him off the show while he tried to figure it out. Since he's six and two I feel like the people are owed a pick especially because this is the biggest game. It's a game five. But does that mean that he's just he's red hot on the Instagram lives and we're just taking them off. Okay fine Tune in some part of my take Instagram for mr. Pear pick. Yeah. All right fine. No, mr. Pear He has been awesome on those picks. Yeah, I know six and two he's hot as fuck Anymore out-of-the-office summer activities plan for the group enjoyed the disc golf and dimple head competitions. Yes We have a couple trips planned right now. Yeah, beer Olympics.

Something brand, beer Olympics. We are still, I wanna say very clearly, as of right now, we're very committed to going to beer Olympics. We can't back out. We won't, we can't. I mean, we can't, right? We can't.

We can't back out. As of this moment, we can't back out. We cannot back out. We can't we can't back as of this moment. We can't back up cannot back out We can't I mean who could who could turn that down? I'm feeling pretty sick already that week before okay? Um but yeah, we have besides grit grit week, which obviously we're gonna be do grit week in August We have a couple other things planned for some fun activities activities and I do want to play frisbee golf again Although we we were talking we want to play frisbee golf Non-camera, which doesn't really help this listener's question just because we've never done it without cameras Yeah, so it'd be fun to just actually play the game

Uh, but we'll we'll we'll bring cameras. We're thinking about doing it maybe on the special trip We have planned in july. Yeah, and we also have maybe on the special trip we have planned in July. Yeah. And we also have another trip in July of maybe the Pardon My Bake. Maybe hang out, do some pool games. Do the Mushroom Golf. Maybe Mushroom Golf.

Yeah. Yeah. So we got some fun stuff. And we are definitely, for July 4th week, Tim Woods. Right? Yeah. Tim Woods. By the the way did you guys see Tim Woods? Tweet the other day. I got to try to find it. It was so Tim Woods. I fucking love him so much Fuck keep going Hank. I'll try to find it. I'll try to track it down I screenshotted it just to bring it up to you guys

Hello PMT boys the topic is soggy sorrows is there a reason it has disappeared and can we expect it to make a comeback? I think Max might have put it into so I know it's because he would be just wet all the time PMT boys the topic is soggy sorrows is there a reason it has disappeared and can we expect it to make a comeback I Think max might have put it into side. I was because he would be just wet all the time Much like the the you guys not betting against JMU. I think one of you guys didn't want to do soggy sorrow Not true. I absolutely did soggy sorrows after the double-doink. I Didn't say it was you that was the last time I had a big loss I've those other ones. We've all done soggy sorrows, right? But that that that was my recollection of like One of you guys were like, I'm not doing soggy sorrows. Then after that I was like, well if you got like I'm not doing

Sorry, all right. Fine. Here's the deal. We're gonna bring back soggy sorrows It has to be a team that has championship aspirations if they lose we'll do soggy sorrows But play is anyone in the playoffs? Well, let's count the teams as championship aspiration caps or do soggies are for the cap. No, they're they didn't have championship aspiration. They're in the playoffs. We did not have championship aspirations. So a minus 36 goals difference championship aspirations. I do not. I do not. Celtics. Oh, okay. And Bruins. Yeah. Okay. So we'll do sogg saw those of you those teams loose

What about other teams? What about the Islanders? You what about the Islanders memes? They're already out We're going for trade in a row Okay, okay. What about the 76ers memes is just like a walking sagasaro dead, okay? But you have but you have LeBron aspirations. I do have LeBron. So you should do saggy sorrows if they don't get LeBron. Uh, sure.

Do the Bears have change of aspirations? I found it. I found it. I found it. I found it. I found it. Uh, this woman tweeted, uh, Oh, someone tweeted, we don't talk about it, but explicitly asking for consent can ruin a vibe.

This woman quote, she said, this dude's a dumb ass. Have ever heard a raspy? May I in your ear? It's divine Tim woods replied Asking for consent when you already know you have it is literally the best like there's no better thing in life Loved him would see he's one of the kind He Fox With consent double consent He Fox with consent double consent What was it where we are the last one wait, where were we where we're You if LeBron doesn't I'm assuming it was you based off how how how quickly you defended yourself

But you stopped doing soggy sorrows now where you bring it. I did not stop doing soggy sorrows I did soggy sorrows. I may one find the list of soggy sorrows. I did it I've done it. I may have denied soggy sorrows at one point I was not the one who denied it Hank find me saying I denied it because there's not well It was behind the scenes like we do in soggy sorrows No, like I'm not soggy sorrows has to be a loss that actually like it can't be like the Bulls lost a playing game Soggy sorrows has to be like a real soul crushing loss. I remember doing it for double doing. Yeah, because you can't water down soggy sorrows. Right. So

championship aspirations, which happens to be the Celtics and Bruins. Great. Hey, PMT gang. It's Matt from Oregon behind the jeans. Who is the hog on the show? Thanks. Not me. I don't know that we've seen each other's penises. Well, I guess... Well, we kind of have. Have I seen anyone's penis? Hank's got a decent wrench. PFT's got big balls. I've small everything.

I have meaty clackers. Meaty clackers. I mean, what about you guys in the booth? Like, you got... The crown is up. Knowing what we have in here, I think the crown is for the taking. Clackers. That's my answer. Memes could have a hog. Shane might have a fucking Shane might know he might have an only fan dude

Pug I don't I don't got a hug is dragging a wagon Pug. You got a wagon Pug you got a wagon No Might be Hank Hank might be the big dick on camp. You might be, yeah. Also, that's... Jake, Jake's been awfully quiet. He has. Jake, you got a big one? Maybe.

Oh, okay. Maybe. Should we measure? No. Why not? I'll go first. Three and a half inches. Are we talking soft?

No, that was hard. Okay. All right, I'm the leader in the clubhouse. Submit your score. Shocking news. Local sports podcast. Not exactly packing baby. Say dude. Oh, yeah, we're not. It is always funny whenever we do like athletic competition. You guys suck. Yeah. that's why we talk about yeah I just like the phrase behind the jeans behind the jeans. Uh-huh. That's good We maybe we do a diet. Maybe we get all this get caddies. They have to fill out a scorecard

No legal stuff all right good show boys Pug three in a row Let's do some numbers max you're gonna miss max you were gotten that not yet you haven't gotten this not yet pfd you ever gotten this you didn't answer your question I said not yet that's not a valid question big gas question have you ever gotten this not yet no it's a yes or no question. No. Oh that's Yet. Yes good answer pft Okay numbers 18

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I think I'm Take on me, take on me Take on me, take on me I will never leave you Never leave you Take on me, take on me Take on me, take on me I'll always be with you Take on me, take on me Ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh,