Pardon My Take - Joe Montana, Akon, And Billys Frog Died (RIP Bertha)

Episode Date: August 17, 2020

NBA and NHL Playoffs are in full swing and we predict first round matchups (17:18). Big Ten has an online petition and it may just force football to happen (17:18 - 23:49). Who's back of the week including Alex Smith and Mark Jackson after Alvin Gentry and Jim Boylen were fired (23:49 - 39:58). Joe Montana joins the show to talk about his career, Rudy being a fraud, having all the cool nicknames and cursing the Notre Dame green jerseys (39:58 - 67:18). Akon joins the show to talk about his rap career, going platinum, building an entire city in Africa and his crypto currency Akoin (67:18 - 99:23). Segments include talking soccer, UFC, and billy's list.You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/PardonMyTake

Hey, pardon my take listeners, you can find every episode on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or YouTube. Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. On today's pardon my take, we have a twofer showing some range. We've got Hall of Famer, Joe Montana on the show, Joe Cool, Comeback Kid, and then we also have Akon, who is a legend in his own right, rapper, maybe building a city in Africa that we talked to him about extensively. He's got his own Bitcoin called Acoin.

Really fascinating interview, awesome interview. That was actually one where Hank, we have a process of who we like agreed to have like as guests. Hank didn't even ask us. He was just like, yeah, we're going to do Akon. And then when it popped up, we're like, fuck yeah, we're going to do Akon. So we have that. We have NBA playoffs starting up, hockey playoffs, we're balls deep in hockey playoffs, and who's

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No place to hang alone washing, and then I can't live all on the sun. Oh no, we're gonna rock down to electric avenue, and then we'll take it higher. Oh, we're gonna rock down to electric avenue, and then we'll take it higher. Welcome to Part of My Take, presented by the Cash App. Go download it right now. Use code Barstool, you get $10 for free, $10 for ASPCA. Today is Monday, August 17th. Boys, there's so many fucking sports.

It's awesome. It's great. Today, every day, afternoon, before you go to bed, you turn the TV on, and there's sports on. There's meaningful sports on there. Everywhere. Everywhere. As far as the eye can see.

It's an overload of sports. Unless you're a Cardinals fan. Well, I guess they came back this week. They came back. But yeah, it's been. And they had four home runs in a row hit on them. Yeah, they did. That was awesome.

I forgot just how heartbreaking it is to be a hockey fan in the playoffs when your team stinks through the capital S. Dude. All right, so let's start there. Do you think the Caps maybe regret not signing Barry Trots considering the fact that he's working here right now? Yeah, he is working. Now, Barry Trots has never been a master tactician of any sort.

But Todd Reardon, he looks, he, he does look like Kevin Alon behind the bench every game just like he's spilling chili all over himself, trying to figure out what to do. And he's just, he's shot the bed and the Caps. That's an underrated story, though. Can we just talk about that for a second? The fact that the, like, the fact the Capitals didn't resign their Stanley Cup winning coach after he won a Stanley Cup is still so fucking crazy to me. I know there's money and all that stuff, but how do you win a cup and not bring that guy

back? Especially just the way that he looks. He just looks like a hockey guy. He's got no neck. His chin extends direct. He's got like tequillo spikes from the, from the shoulders up going on. He's just a little sausage. Listen, he's, he's a fun coach.

He's a player's coach. And it's all. Once you get to the playoffs, it's all about just like making your team comfortable, right? You just need a coach that, that people want to play hard for. Todd Reardon is not that guy. The power play for the Capitals is as bad as I've ever seen in an NHL game. It seems like they need a good coach. Really bad.

Stanley Cup winning. So I've, I've resigned while I, I quit on the team, hand up. I quit on the team. Wow. I realized on Friday that I had watched every goal that, that went in for the Islanders and I didn't watch any of the goals that the Caps scored. So today I listened to it on the radio instead of watching the game and listening to hockey on the radio sucks because like they talk so quickly about where the puck is.

Who's got it? That I found myself. I accidentally cheered when the caps got scored on because I was like, Oh wait, I thought that was our goal. Damn. So, um, yeah, we're done over, over Blackhawks. They're fighting. They're, they're scratching and clawing.

There's also been, it's just been, I mean, the Blackhawks are probably going to lose on Tuesday night. We're probably going to have a double soggy Soros on Tuesday night show. But they did, they, they did, uh, they fought, they fought hard, got outshot by a billion and Corey Crawford was like, Hey, I'm going to throw it back real quick and have a hell of a game. Hockey playoffs though. Like I was watching that entire flame stars game.

There's just nothing like it. Even without the fans, there's nothing like it in Hank. We should at least Bruins, Hank, we should at least ask your opinion on Tuka Rask, uh, going with the very bizarre comments of like, Yeah, we're just trying to have fun out there and then opting out the next day, which I will defend him in a little bit where we do this thing in the media where we're like, we just want guys to give real answers. And he gave a very real answer and then he gets killed for it, but still it's a weird look.

The Boston media is always like hated Tuka Rask. People have always wanted him out, but, and he said it's for family. So it's one of those things where it's hard to be like, you can't hate on him. Yeah, you can't hate on family. You don't know what's going on behind the scenes and all that stuff. But it's crazy that he went into the bubble. Like who, who leaves the bubble? Yeah, in the playoff in the playoff.

It just that quote of just like, I'm just trying to have fun out there. Like it's, it's not really, it doesn't really feel like real hockey. Just trying to have fun reading between the lines. It sounded like what the teammates said blowing game seven last year. Like you'd think he'd want some revenge for that. You know, like he was there one game away from the cup. The playoffs are starting. This is your time.

Like if you're not having fun, it's like three weeks. But you saw the reaction like from his teammates. It seemed like there's something going on. That's not public. They even said like, nobody questioned this. We're all on a side, whatever. That's where it's like, it makes, it literally makes no sense for someone to go into the bubble and then leave unless there's something serious going on.

So you have to just assume something serious is going on. The, I have had this thought that this is the easiest for if you're a fan of a team that loses in the playoffs, whether it be NBA or the Stanley Cup playoffs, this is the easiest letdown of all time because you can play that game in your mind. Like what's the point of even winning a cup if you can't go to games or go to the bars with your friends or when the cup, if you win the cup, like have a parade, like you can't even have a parade.

It's an asterisk. So it is the easiest letdown. Everyone should enjoy it. If your team loses, just enjoy the fact that this will be the easiest letdown of all time that we'll ever have as fans. Yeah, I was just looking forward to the potential of maybe watching meaningful hockey games for myself. Like into September potentially, that would have been cool.

But yeah, I've pretty much given up on the season. Now that said, that said, you took a rest. That said, I'm removing myself from the fan bubble. But don't let us win one because if we win one, then we got was it? We got Kurt and then we got Pedro and then anything can happen. Game seven, P.F. Tuka, P.F. P.F. Tuka, P.F. Tuka, that works. Yeah, just announce that you're opting out right before the game. Actually, just wait until until they until they get a two goal lead.

Yeah, I'm opting out. I'm still technically. Listen, I'm just I'm having fun, but, you know, it doesn't feel the same. Doesn't feel like play a hockey. Yeah, and you guys don't really follow like the inside Boston media. But there are some beautiful like takeage going on where it's like, you know, a lot of the radio guys wanted to get out the whole season. And then when he opts out, they're like, well, what?

How can you do that? Yeah, we do do that. Shaughnessy season. Yeah, we do that thing in all of media where it's like, we want these guys to give an honest answer, not the canned answer that you hear all the time, you know, played, played hard, going to try to win a game, played 60 minutes, blah, blah, blah. He actually gave a real answer where he's like, it doesn't feel like playoff

hockey and then we shit on it, which I mean, I guess that's just we're all hypocrites. Well, I don't I don't think too many people shit on it. Like I saw some people in the media like here and they're doing it. But from the verbiage that like the team was saying about it, I think everybody kind of realized like maybe maybe we don't have all the facts about well, not the opt out. The shitting on the opt out is weird because it's like if there's a family issue, I'm saying shitting on the like, I'm just trying to have fun out there.

Yeah, playoff. Right, right, yeah. That is an honest answer that then gets shit on. And it's like, yeah, you know what? We're all fucking hypocrites and assholes. Yeah, listen, the guy was trying to have fun playing a game. And that's what I don't even think he said anything that was that bad. It's just like you want as a fan, you want the athletes to be as like bought

in and invested as they probably won't be. But at least let us maintain that veneer of just being like, yeah, these guys care more than me because then I don't feel like a huge loser. Yeah, you get them every now and then. That's why I always love like a guy like Joe Kim Noah. It's like, hey, he cares just as much as me. Yes, being reminded guys become your like champion really in sports. I just don't want to be reminded of the fact that it makes no sense that I care

so much about something that is so inconsequential. So let me maintain. We also have the NBA playoffs set. We had a great play in game, which I think they're going to do now forever, which will be great. The eight, nine play in game, which happened on Saturday at 2 30. I don't I do not know why it was 2 30 on Saturday. That was very bizarre.

But we have the Blazers as the eight seed, the final team to make it. I am the media has Blazers derangement syndrome. Oh, I love the Blazers. They have Blazers derangements syndrome. The Lakers are going to fuck the Blazers up, put it up, put it, write it down, quote it, five games, maybe they're going to have the bubble and VP on their team. Coming from Laker, Dan, straight to your ears. The Lakers are going to fuck them up.

Do the Lakers have the bubble and VP Williams, right? Did one of the Lakers starting players, mom, just die from corona and he's playing for her grandmother, grandmother, nice. Yeah. Yeah. That changes things a little bit. Yeah. Yeah. But now is it Lakers and six? Lakers and seven.

It was going to be Blazers and six. Do the Lakers have Slim Mello on their team? Oh, my God. Much mellow. It sells mellow who excels in bubble environments like the Olympics. Dude, mellow. Great point. Yeah. Thank you. Mellow is so washed in.

No, he hit that three. He hit that three. He did hit that three. Clutch mellow or in a game they won by five. All right. Played thirty minutes. He hit the three. And what you don't want Damian Lillard being an unselfish superstar.

Damian Lillard is incredible and CJ McCallum is incredible. The Blazers play pick up basketball. They do not play defense. Yeah. So true when they play against the Lakers. I I think the Lakers just need to get three consecutive stops in the games over. I don't know. I don't know. Listen, it could happen in the first quarter. Nobody talks about all the punches that Buster Douglas threw that didn't connect.

Nobody talks about the kicks that Appalachian State didn't block against Michigan. This is what we do though. We shouldn't talk. We shouldn't focus on on Mello and the eighty three percent of the threes that he missed. We should focus on the fact that he's rebranded as Slim Mello, Robert Ory. But how many times is LeBron? I know this is different because it's the bubble and everything's weird. But how many times does LeBron have to do that thing where at the at some point

the year the league fixes games for him to win at some point in the year? He like the team doesn't look right because he knows he knows that the playoffs are different and he's not going to. He doesn't care if they didn't, you know, they coasted to the to the one seed. They won that like halfway through the bubble. And then when they start playing the Blazers, they're going to kick their ass. And everyone's like, oh, yeah, Anthony Davis and LeBron James are really fucking good.

They are good. But big at your turning your back on the podcast community by going against C. J. McCall. Well, I am. Do the Lakers have any podcasters? Everyone knows I'm a diehard Laker fan. Actually, I bet you Dwight Howard probably does a secret podcast. Yes, I love C. J. McCall. He's in a fucking assassin. He is so awesome at the end of games.

They're going to lose in five. Maybe maybe I'm taking the over on that. OK, same. I think I think Blazers in six. Blazers in six. Yeah. Blazers. OK, same. Great. I am fully bought into the media derangement syndrome of it. Blazers, the Lakers will get a cat. Hashtag Blazers. No.

Yeah, no, I just I just said I just bet it. I just made that bet. You made that bet for me. Yeah, for you. I'm not agreeing to it under any circumstance. We'll get a cat. Blazers are the most fun team right now to watch. And a lot of that is because they played really hard,

knowing that they had to play really hard. So just let me one by like every game. Let me enjoy like a day and a half of being like, yeah, I enjoy watching the Blazers. I'm just going to call out what I'm seeing is everyone being like, dude, Blazers live dog. No, uh-uh, shut up. Not going to happen. Damian. So team of destiny. If we're handing out our bubble awards.

All the grandmother. By the way, T.J. Warren, are those actual awards? No, I don't think so. Just everyone in the media is doing it. I think so. OK. Our bubble award MVP. You want to give it to Dane? Sure. I'm going Lou Warren and that was sweet and in Dane.

The NBA officially announced. Oh, it did. Yeah. Oh, that's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. So Dane deserved it without a doubt. T.J. Warren finished second. I think Booker finished second. Devin Booker also.

Yeah, the Suns, they would have listened. It's bullshit that you can go undefeated in the bubble and not get in the play. I know they should have gotten statistically right. Should be any other NBA before the games actually start. Hank are you excited? The Celtics are going to kill the Sixers. Yeah, it's like my favorite part of the year, although it feels like spring because it's like, you know,

first round of the playoffs Celtics work the Sixers. You do have to be a little worried that Ben Simmons is out, though. No, because they are objectively better when it's just in beat. We'll see. Well, no, he's banged up, too, though. Yeah, he is. And also the Celtics are the I feel like the Celtics have only athletic wings and the Sixers have none. Well, also, Kenny, the jet was saying that Ben Simmons is going to be able to shoot in the bubble because there are no fans around to boom.

True. But then he hurt his knee. Then he hurt his knee. And he's got like foreign bodies floating around in his knee. Right. Yeah. So that doesn't sound great. Any other let's see that I don't see any big upsets happening in the first round. I feel like this is unfortunately Raptors. You keep an eye on it, keep an eye on it, keep an eye on it. That's all I'm saying. OK, I got one eye on it.

Yeah, keep an eye on. What about? I feel like we all have bubble derangement. Well, I do like anything can happen. And then all the higher seats are going to win like it always happens. The NBA and then we'll get into the play. I'm convinced that the Bucks are just absolute garbage. I don't think. Yeah. Because, hey, the Bucks have been playing well.

Who are they playing the first round? The Magi should be suspended for the first three games. That's bullshit. No one. If you get head if you headbutt someone in the box, they're going to know where else in the world you get spent for only one game. They're going to you're Giannis. They're going to beat the magic by twenty seven in game one. And we're all going to be like, oh, yeah, another one.

You know what? I am desensitized to headbutts recently. Like that we will never have as good of a headbutt as Zinedine Zidane put on them in the was it Maserati or whatever in the World Cup finals. That's fact. So this Giannis headbutt. That was a little love tap. Yes. One and a half games. Any other. I'm trying to think if there's any other NBA playoff like matchups that I guess I am excited for like the other one that everyone's going to sell them in is they're going to be like Luca

against the Clippers. That one's going to be another one where Clippers are going to probably win in five. Maybe Kauai takes a game off because of his knee or whatever. I think Mike Connelly is going home. Yep, because his birth of his child is bigger than sports, way bigger than sports. So Denver, Utah, which as we've said, should be played at Altitude, or at least if it's a Utah home game, they should allow like one or two of those synthetic fans on the screens to be yelling very harmless cuss words.

Chris Paul versus Rockets. Yes, Chris Paul versus Rockets. Russell Wells, Russell Westford, who's I don't think playing game one versus the Thunder. That will be fantastic. Either way, just day basketball. The shout out the NBA. I don't I don't know if they had a choice because they didn't want to run concurrent games, but I was nervous for a while going into the playoffs

that they wouldn't do these afternoon games. They're doing them for the first round. Thank. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Well, they've got to step it up because hockey in the first round had so many like double triple overtime games, which sucks. By the way, if you're at work and you're trying to pretend that you're working and not watching hockey and then you end up staying like three hours late and your boss is like, wow, you're really working already.

You're like, no, it's the fifth overtime that's happening right now. Yes. All right. So the only other news that I had is Big Ten football is definitely going to come back. Yeah, for sure. So there's a petition. Yeah, there's a change that work. There's a petition. Justin Fields started one. It's up to like 200,000 signatures right now.

I would say conservatively I've signed it 75 times. Well, they should do where like whichever team has the most players sign it. That's the Big Ten champion. Yeah, I've just been anyone who says anything mean to me on Twitter today. I've just been taking their Twitter handle and just signing the petition for Yeah, the Big Ten season in those numbers this year is the season is going to consist of a couple of more schedule releases that get cancelled. And then this petition that goes out, I you're still very much in the bargaining stage.

Oh, yeah. No, the fact that the fact that this petition has 200,000 signatures and people are starting to be like, what? You know, it's kind of like whenever whenever there's a change.org, like change.org, let's end racism. Well, this might actually do it has a change.org. Has that bring back football? Has a change.org petition ever accomplished anything? I don't think it has. I don't know.

I like the one that's take Kylie Jenner out of the WAP music video. They agree. Yes, I co-signed that. Delete the snacking video. What if there? What if there was a bubble for fans? Like this is still bargaining right now. What if Wisconsin fans hypothetically could sign up and be like, hey, if you let us go into games, we will bubble ourselves.

Like, can you imagine the environment that would be 90,000? It'd be great. LSU fans just camped out in Baton Rouge. Yes. What if now? OK, let's talk about solutions instead of excuses like John Taffer. What if there was a rule saying that the SEC could have fans at games? If those that that that exists, if those fans. Well, a lot of teams are saying that they're not. I think, yeah, I feel like the SEC is just going to fucking have a schedule.

Like they're going to play college football like nothing. Right. OK, so I'll put it this way. A lot of NFL teams have already said no fans in stadiums. What if they said you can come to games if we shoot you up with this vaccine from Russia? And then we and then we monitor you. So in reality, it would be like a real world application of the vaccine test. Yes, in. What up, Billy?

You're saying that the people that they test the vaccine on are going to be the only people allowed to go to games. Yeah. And here's the thing, even if it's like an SEC school, which probably doesn't a lot of their fans don't want to get a vaccine. What if you said you could attend games if you got this vaccine? I guarantee you a lot of people. I would. I take it right now. Right this. So I'll answer.

You know, it's true. Absolutely. I take no questions. I sign a waiver. I take the Russian one. If you give me some Russian vaccine, you're like, but this will make sure that football happens. Yeah. In so it just bubbles are the answer to everything, Billy. Yes. Why don't you realize that? They should just put the USA in a bubble.

Yeah, they should put the world in a bubble. Yeah. OK. Boom. Done. World in a bubble, COVID solved. Mm hmm. Everyone has to get tested, wear a mask, bubble. Yep. Done. And this concludes our segment. Our heads are in the sand. Yes. But I.

I would say there was there's a 10 percent chance that I think that this fucking stupid petition online is going to actually change something. Well, so when I and when I say 10 percent, obviously, I mean, like 60 percent. So as far as the the commissioner, the big 100 percent going to happen, I think he just basically he wants to say we don't know. There's a lot of stuff that I don't know, and I'm scared to death of getting sued. Dude, his son is playing for Texas A&M. Yeah.

It's going to happen. This fuck. Everyone signed the petition. Do your fucking do your job. Sign the petition. Sign it for your dog. Sign it for your neighbor. Sign the petition. I think if we get to a million, they have no choice. Yeah, to play big 10 football.

It's called change.org. Yes, we're here. We're here making positive changes. Let's fucking do it. All right, let's get to who's back of the week. I bet Sean McVeigh would just like cut up all of his shirts to donate them as masks for all the St. Louis or all the L.A. Rams. Yes, yes. No more shirts.

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All right. Who's back the week? Hank. I actually forgot we talked how we missed the beginning. Alex Smith is back. Oh, yeah. He is back. Dude.

Can we just say please stop spraying slippery liquids around Alex Smith's feet? They put him a video of like Alex Smith and his family celebrating the fact that he was returned to play football again. And he doesn't look like he could play football. He his leg. I think I could play football better than he could play football. I don't. He couldn't.

He couldn't avoid the rush of his five year old spraying like dissonnie on him. And then they put out pictures of his leg and it's like disturbing. Not good. His leg is in basically a forever cast right now. He doesn't go anywhere without that like AI style compression sleeve that goes from his ankle to his testicles. And I guess it's like keep germs out of his leg like as much as possible. But I I want him to play.

But I don't don't don't want you know, I want to see him out there. Be happy. But I don't. Alex, please. What doctor? Gretzky and him or excuse me, the Washington football team doctor. I also just loved everyone just saw that like red meat of auto retweets. Just tweeting like Alex Smith broke his leg two years ago this day.

Like, you know, you'll see. Thought he was going to get amputated. Now he's cleared to. Yeah, right. It's 7000 retweets. Like I saw that tweet 1700 times. Yes, like Ryan, she's here walking out to midfield to flip a coin. They're like, the doctors have cleared him.

Isn't this a great story? I don't know, Jim. He also almost broke his ankle in the flip flop. Do you see that that would have been I don't. I mean, that objectively would have been hilarious if he had just broke his ankle like his other ankle celebrating becoming coming back. Yeah, it is like kids create a slippery driveway and he just shatters his leg. Yeah, his other leg.

That would have been one of the funniest videos of all time. I mean, I'm comfortable saying. Keep all liquids away from Alex Smith's leg at all costs. Don't even pee on your feet. Alex Smith in the shower. Oh, just don't shower. Yeah, I don't think you can. Just sponge yourself.

Well, it's not a test. It's like it's like a giant sleeve that he wears, but it also is a constant reminder that like, hey, that legs fucked up. Yes, very fucked up. He's got like the black patch that NBA players were on their jerseys just in remembrance of his leg. Yes, or a pee fibia. What else you got?

My other who's back was cancel culture. These people will stop at nothing until everyone in the world is is canceled. And last week, they got my boy, Genghis Khan. Oh, crazy. Yeah, just can't. The guy let the guy let the guy die in peace. He only you know, he only killed like a third of the population. 11% big cat.

Don't don't exaggerate. I am part of the problem. Yeah. But we did get people saying like, hey, Genghis Khan had some good ideas. Without him, we would not be in the place that we are. What were you saying, Billy? You were something about there saying that he set up a system of checks and balances in government.

And well, yeah, I'll murder you if you say anything bad about it. Well, I'll either fuck you or murder you. You choose like there's something like seven percent of the population has his Y chromosome, which is pretty insane. It wasn't there the argument that he actually helped in global warming because he killed so many people. Yes. Live long enough to become, you know, it's like, what's the little girl Greta? Now it's like Greta and Genghis Khan, if you're basically the same.

If you're dead long enough, you'll also become a villain. Yes. So live long enough. Die young enough to be a hero or live long enough to see yourself become a villain. But then you die and then you get good again and then you get bad again. Once Twitter gets invented. Dude, free Genghis. Free Genghis. Can sold. Not all cons. They spread horses. What?

Horses got spread because of the Mongols. OK, no one rode horses. So they spread them. Yeah, like the use of them. Yeah, they used them. They probably and they left probably left some horses when they left. So horses. OK. So secretary would not exist without Genghis Khan. Genghis Khan, thank you. Barbaro, the the Alex Smith of horses would not have existed without Genghis

Khan, Genghis Khan. All right, PFT, your who's back. My who's back of the week is Kyle Slaughter. Oh, yeah. That's right. My little hobby horse that that I I fucking love Kyle Slaughter. He is the epitome. Every team has this quarterback, the quarterback that is the best preseason quarterback of all time. And you always think in the back of your head like this guy could be a superstar.

If only everybody else saw him, what I'm seeing in him. I think he's thrown 11 touchdowns, one interception, like 1100 passing yards. He has the highest preseason completion percentage of any quarterback ever. I'm pretty sure. And I think he's going to your bears. But there's no preseason. But there's no preseason this year.

So we're finally going to get to see what Slaughter will be like in a non preseason environment. Are we in the truss tree right now? Sure. I saw a slow mo video. Mr. Risky looks awesome. There you go. He was a fucking perfect spiral.

Oh, it was a perfect spiral. I feel good. We also got our first taste of Joe Burrow in a Bengals uniform. Yes. Throwing like a six yard slant to A.J. Green. Love it. Looked awesome. Yes.

The ball was a spiral. Pats are going on. It was slow mo. That's all it takes to make your quarterback look awesome. But I saw this. I want to cut that spiral. I was like, oh, my God, he hit him in stride. There was no defense being played.

But that doesn't matter. In stride, perfect spiral. Just going to say it. There you go. So Mitchell's back because. Hey, 2020, it's weird shit's happened. Let's do it. Maybe because of like the pressure that

Slaughter is putting on him from from behind, both him and Nick Foles. Imagine if Mitch Risky won the MVP. What? Why was that laugh? Why was that a laugh? Oh, no, I had something completely separate. OK.

Any other. I was thinking about Mitch. I was thinking about Mitch totally. Any other who's back? Yeah, bar fights are back. There was a bar fight on my street this weekend, which is fucking sweet because it's like, yes, we haven't had any bar fights since lockdown started.

That's a major watershed moment. Outside. Yeah. It was like 12 people. I got a notification on my little neighborhood app. Oh, what's up, Karen? Karen, big time. Oh, are you running towards the fights on people? Yes.

So no, you fucking Karen. Then I went outside and I walked Leroy around the corner and it was like shattered glass everywhere and there were police officers. It was like, yes, this is fucking sweet. Nature's here. Wow. Did you give a statement? I did not give a statement.

You probably offered, you know, oh, oh, please. I hung around. Let me say something. I hung around for a second to see if there like was going to be news cameras showing up. Then I could be like, no, I heard this fight. I came right downstairs and it was like, whoa, what's going on? All right. See you guys later. All right.

My who's back is Mark Jackson. Mark Jackson is back. So the Bulls fired Jim Boylan on Friday, which I got to give a shout out to Jim Boylan because as terrible of a coach that he is and he is truly, truly terrible, like never has anyone been less qualified for a job than Jim Boylan. I still will miss him because Billy's on this podcast.

Yeah, that's true. No, Billy is more qualified to be on this podcast than Jim Boylan was to coach an NBA team. That's a bold statement. Thank you. Jim Boylan, I'm going to miss him still because of his quotes about soul, his quotes about growth plates, his random timeouts, the time that he burned all his timeouts with like six minutes left in the fourth quarter,

the time he did hockey shifts, the time that he had the Bulls do a practice after a back to back and then the team had a mutiny and then he had a leadership committee. We're about to time card punches at the time card punches. There's so many modes. I do want to just say one quote that sums up the essence of Jim Boylan. I forgot about this. I saw it retweeted on my timeline in 2019.

He must have. I don't know where he was or what was going on. Well, I guess I know what was going on. Earthquake, Jim Boylan talking about earthquakes said, I just think it's awesome, the power of nature to think that something can move that building that much. It's awe inspiring to me. So that just tells you what he is. He Jim Boylan would there be an earthquake and you just stand underneath the building being like,

watch this building topple. That's going to be sick. I like that. And then die. I like that. He's fascinated by nature. It's like that insane clown posse song about magnets. Yeah, like, holy fuck, Jim Boylan. People don't take time to think about nature's small miracles, but Jim Boylan does Jim Boylan. So Jim Boylan is fired.

I don't know who the bulls are going to hire, but also the Pelicans fired Alvin Gentry. So Mark Jackson is now going to be talked about. And I think I heard it correctly that he said Zion was his or rookie of the year over the weekend, which is awesome because it's just such a shill move by a guy who's been calling Zion fat all year to then have the Pelicans fire Alvin Gentry and him being like, the Zion kid, he's good.

Listen, Mark Jackson knows how to get a job and keep a job. Usually that's one thing that he's very, very good at. I think he I think Mark Jackson is realizes that the longer he stays announcing the like someone's going to be like, hey, we should probably be done with Mark Jackson as the announcer. Yeah. So he knows that it's time to get a job as a coach. I hope to God, it's not with the bulls, but I do hope to God it is with the Pelicans because I'd love to just watch that.

Well, that ruins Zion and everyone be like, what the fuck? And then and then Zion will win an NBA title the minute Mark Jackson got fired. Right. This is how this is how dog brains in America work. We see somebody on TV long enough talking about a sport, and we think that they are capable now of coaching. Oh, I don't think anyone like Mark Jackson is capable. Oh, he's started. He's started to convince people he's going to get a job.

No, so some people are paying attention. No, that doesn't mean anyone thinks he's capable. That just means that idiots in a front office are just going with a name. Right. That's what I'm saying. Yeah, but that they know he's not. But that's that's what we think is like we see somebody on TV enough and they become an expert. Yeah. And so I mean, you forget Mark Jackson,

a symbol that Golden State Warriors team, Kevin Durant would not have a ring if it weren't for Mark Jackson. He really did. He he he he put in the culture that ended up winning. Yep. Those titles. Billy, your who's back. La Crosse. OK, Chris. Oh, yeah, right, right, right. But Chris Hogan just signed with the Jets his fourth AFC East team,

meaning that we're going to hear La Crosse be brought up in every Jets broadcast. That's true. Yeah. So got to collect all I like that. I like that he's played for every single team in that division now. He knows all the secrets. Billy, do you want to talk about going to jail this weekend? I did not go to jail. Billy got arrested on Thursday night.

Yep. I did not get arrested. You were up. It was weird because you were up drunk tweeting until like eleven thirty midnight and then you didn't tweet for 16 hours. And your first tweet back was if you mix pre-workout to Kila, 100 percent chance you go to jail. 100 percent. I did not go to jail. So you didn't mix pre-workout in to Kila. No, I didn't because you'd go to jail. Oh, OK.

So that was the that was the thought. You just took a little high. You went zero dark 30 on Friday. Yeah. Just out of out of coincidence. Can you guys give me a break? I'm mourning the loss of my frog. Yeah, what happened? That was that was a very graphic thing to put on Twitter.

Just randomly raw dog in a dead frog in our face. Well, RIP. But why RIP Bertha? Maybe like a trigger, trigger war. His name was Bertha. Her name was. Yeah. You sure it was a girl. Yes, I'm sure. How'd you find out?

Because the female after you are larger than the males. Anyway, did you touch Bertha's pussy? No, I didn't. Did you look at it? They don't have be honest with me. No, that's really best of really best of this is not happen. You know what? I got arrested. I got arrested.

I got arrested. That's what you're leaving. Get arrested and fingering is frog. Yeah, I got arrested. Dude, don't don't put dead frogs on the Twitter timeline. I it was RIP. There's dead fish. It's worse than when he puts his dog's boner pictures up there.

No, they're funny. But I don't always as a boner. Yeah, yeah, because you keep fingering frogs. No, I don't why wouldn't he be horny? How old was your frog? It's a suck and fuck layer in Billy's little basement. I'm not 100% sure, but I had it for five years. OK, five years.

That's so that feels like a long time to. Skip and see you in a lesson. That's true. We don't deserve frog sex. Frogs, Christ. Come on. What? Anyway, no, the frog sex stuff is a little far. Like he just died. Like she just died. Do you think she's a piece?

Yes, she finally frog heaven. Yeah, do you feel a little bit responsible for not feeding her on Thursday night through Friday afternoon when you were in prison? It's not in jail. It was actually wait. It would be hilarious if you have a frog contingency plan on if you do get arrested.

Yeah, who takes care of your animals? The frogs can go without food for like a couple of days. Well, clearly. That's why the reason I don't go to prison. OK, is that I want to get home to my animals. Actually, you're actually the only reason I farm. The only reason I have not gone to prison is the animals, so you can thank them.

Man. All right. All right, Pete Bertha, I do feel bad. Sorry for your loss, Billy. Thank you. Everyone, please say sorry for Billy's loss on Twitter tomorrow. Thank you. And don't say that he fingered his frog. Oh, come on. All right. Let's get to our interview. That's better than soy boy.

That's better than soy boy. Frog. I don't know. I don't know. Are you sure? I don't know. We'll see. Bestiality? No. Yeah. It's got the word beast in it, though. You guys. Yeah.

Beast. If you're going to call if you're going to say Billy practices bestiality, don't capitalize the beast. Yeah, if it was if it was called berserk, your ality, Billy would be using that thing as a fleshlight. That is capitalized. The beast, that's all we want. All right, let's get started.

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Very, very special guest. He is an NFL Hall of Famer, four-time Super Bowl winner. Undefeated in the Super Bowl, it is Joe Montana. He's here with Guinness because Guinness is the proud to announce their new partnership and official beer of the Notre Dame Fighting Irish Alumni and Fans. Joe obviously is a very famous alum from Notre Dame. So thank you for joining us, Joe.

I love Guinness, by the way. So I think you might send us some free ones and I'm ready for that. You know what, I think you're too late. They're already on the way, I believe. Let's go. You'll be able to enjoy some more. A common misconception about Guinness is that it's a fall and wintertime drink.

It's a year-round drink. I like Guinness, no matter the weather. Yes. Well, I fell in love with it when we were over in, we were over actually in Dublin. Look, our trainer, our girls were jumping and talked us into going over there and looking at horses. And the one trainer said,

hey, unless when they're done trying horses, let's go get a pint of Guinness. And I said, OK, sounds good to me. And then next thing you know, every day after that, I'm going, hey, Charlie, isn't it time? I think it's time for Guinness. We might be a little behind here, as a matter of fact. No, it hits different over there.

Yeah, I could have loaded over there. And it's been a fan of his since. And it's great being a part of this partnership with Notre Dame. And I think it's great, you know, two great traditions getting together to do some great things. So let's talk quickly about Notre Dame. We're going to talk about everything else. But are you how optimistic, pessimistic do you feel

that Notre Dame is going to be playing football this year? Well, you know, I was just talking to one of the guys from the Chicago Tribune. And I said, you're probably closer to that. What's what's happening? What are you here? And he said that, I guess the doctor from Duke came out and said that, hey, they can go give it a try.

And I go, even if they do, what is college football going to be like without some of these conferences not playing? I mean, what are you going to do? Watch the same conference every, you know, I don't know how they run college football, NCAA football without having them all run it. I don't know why the NCAA didn't make a decision as an umbrella. And opposed to letting everybody make their own decision. Because I was college football.

I mean, I'm not, you know, it's Notre Dame. You hate Michigan, but what do you do without the Big 10 or the Pac-12? I mean, Notre Dame, SC, geez. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it's going to be different. Hopefully they can the ACC can figure out a way to make it happen in the fall. But from like a student athlete perspective, I feel like it's going to be one of those things where you get in and they're going to wait until the last minute to make a decision because they're kind of running out the clock.

You know, they don't know what the science is going to look like two weeks from now, three weeks from now. I have to imagine that that's going to be in the back of all these kids' heads as they're preparing, like they're learning a new playbook, they're learning these systems, but they're also still thinking like this could all just be a big waste of time. Well, I think the one thing that you want to do if you're a player, if you're going to have a season, you want to make sure that you're still prepared. And I think the best way to do that is, you know, staying involved with the team.

If the teams are allowed to meet together or even on your own. So in a lot of those guys have aspirations to make it to the NFL, right? And so if the season doesn't happen, you still have to stay in shape because the NFL will probably figure out some way to, you know, have a few more combines to try to be able to look at guys. And you know, you feel bad for some of those seniors because if you look at it, if you take a look at Joe Burroughs, right? If Joe Burroughs doesn't have a senior year, he's not the first big draft.

So you never know who's going to be that surprised bust out guys that, you know, just increase their marketability to the NFL. And, you know, who wants to miss their last season to have it to go this way? Yeah. You know, a lot of seniors are playing their last time of football and it's sad to see, you know, they haven't been a part of that all my life. It's sad to see that they won't have that opportunity. Did you curse the green jerseys at Notre Dame?

You know, I grew up with Notre Dame being blue and gold and there was so much excitement around the green. I don't remember my initial reaction when we were told, I'm pretty sure divine pulled the capons in and told us what was going to happen. But that was after we went to the pep rally the night before and he kept talking about wearing green, wearing green. And I'm like, man, we weren't blue, man. Why won't we wear blue?

And then it kind of filled us in. And then, you know, there was a lot of excitement in the locker room. So you kind of joined in and, you know, you know what it is. They'll say whatever it takes. Yeah, we went on to have a pretty good year. So they stuck around for a while. But, but they, I feel like Notre Dame wearing the green jersey, uh, the last like 20 years, they haven't won a big game.

The green jerseys have flipped. They went from a mighty duck story where, uh, you know, you guys, you guys warm up in one jersey, go in the locker room, put on the green jerseys, everyone's pumped, beat USC to now, whenever Notre Dame wears the green jersey, I'm sitting there like, they got no shot. I noticed that, but you're probably right. I don't know. It's, um, but I'll have to mention that to them.

Yeah, maybe they don't even know what's happening. Yeah, I hadn't noticed that. But yeah, I'd get rid of them then. Yeah. So, um, I was, I think college uniforms are fun though. You need to have a little more fun with theirs a little bit. Do you like the, uh, the metallic helmet? Are you more of a fan of like the matte gold?

You know what, seeing the metallic one up in close in person is their spectacular looking and I like the shininess. So yeah, I don't mind the upgrade of the gold. I don't know the, the, the math's still nice, but you know, why not have a bunch of options a lot and everybody else does. Yeah. Um, I was looking back at your history here. You were a teammate of Rudy's at Notre Dame.

Rudy, Rudy, I don't know who that is. Rudy, Rudy, Rudy. My question was going to be how much do the guys that actually played on that team resent Rudy for totally taking the storyline of, of how good that team was. And now everyone can only talk about Rudy from now on. Um, well, I won't lie. He got a rash and a crap every time we saw him and he quit showing up on a couple of places because it's pretty, well, you know, the locker room's pretty brutal

anyway, but you know, I mean, the Rudy story made a great, made a great movie. And a lot of it was embellished. And, you know, we, when I run into Rudy on the road here and there, we laugh about it because, you know, he knows that, you know, I tell the truth. And there were a lot of things that happened. Yeah. He got in, he got a sack. Was it crowd chanting?

No. Well, did I throw in my jersey? No. Um, well, so, um, did he get carried off the field? He got carried off by three of the biggest pranksters on the team. And they, who said, I wish, had we known no one had gotten carried out. We had never done it, but they were always, you know, Rudy works hard. I won't lie.

He is a walk on. He came in, got his butt kicked every day. And it was great to see that he got it in and got a sack and a lifetime memory for him and, um, it became a movie. But, you know, it's like a lot of movies. They all get their movies. Every time somebody says, telling about Rudy, I go, nah, you really want to know about Rudy?

Oh, don't tell me it's not true. Don't tell me I go made a good movie. But, you know, there are a lot of truths and then, but there's a lot of things that didn't happen. Yeah. When you sat down with Bill Walsh for the first time, did you know right away that like this guy just sees the game differently and what he's got going on is a different level of any kind of football I've played?

Yeah, by far. I mean, right away from day one in the meetings, when you're speaking to him and, and you could tell he was different, but when you got him in front of a chalkboard or the whiteboard and, you know, and he started drawing up plays and talking about progressions and blitzes and reads and it was different than anything I'd had to that point. Yeah. Yeah.

And I knew I was, I was in someplace special at that time. And then I was just trying to stay there as long as I could. Yeah. Yeah. What do you ever look back, you know, judging by era is interesting in the NFL because the games evolve so much. Do you ever do like a projection in your head of what your touchdowns and yards would look like in 2020 if you were prime Joe Montana and all the rules were

slanted towards the offense? Um, no, because I don't want to get mad. Yeah. That's smart. Yeah, no, I just, you know, we, we talk about how, you know, the rule change makes it easier and, and I always say, yeah, it does make it easier when you can stand there and know that you're not going to get smacked. Cause that used to be what separated everybody back then is who can stand

that pocket stand there knowing there's a guy running right down the middle of you. And as soon as you release this ball, you're going to get planted in the back. Can you throw it accurately? And that was the separator for most teams, for most quarterbacks. And, you know, you, they don't have to deal with that today. And does it make it easier? Yeah.

Somewhat games still difficult, but for someone at that level makes it a little bit easier. It is crazy though to see like, um, in, uh, 1980, let's see. Oh no. So you were, you were throwing like 500, 400, uh, passes a, uh, a season, 400 passes a season, which really only comes out to like, I don't know. It's like 24, 25 pass attempts. Like you don't see that really in the NFL today.

And you had, you know, you had a season where you led the league in touchdowns with 31 touchdowns. Like that's, that's probably like the seventh or eighth guy now in 2020 because of the stats being so inflated. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, as a quarterback, you'd love to be playing now. You know, the, the, the rules kind of want you to put the ball in the air and

you know, with the group that we had when I left the 49ers with Jerry and John Taylor and Brent Jones and, uh, in that group, uh, you know, it's hard to say what could happen, you know, and we probably, John Taylor would have probably caught a lot more balls because we'd be throwing a lot more. And you know, I always feel bad for John because here you are playing across from the guy like Jerry Rice and, um, you're running like double comebacks and you're going, uh, John Taylor, John Taylor, oh shit, Jerry Rice. You look over there and John Taylor was wide open and you talk and John never said

a word, I mean, never complained, but I mean, he's, he's a freak. Yeah. I mean, he went twice. I mean, he's one of the only two guys that were going 95 yards twice in one game for touchdowns. And, um, he just had a unique ability to make people miss and within two steps, he's full speed and I don't know, you know, he'd feel bad that we didn't, you know, target him a little bit more.

Um, glad to see you caught a touchdown in the Super Bowl to win. You know, it makes you feel good. And then Jerry wins the MVP. And yeah, it would be fun to have that group today. Yeah. Bill, Bill felt that if we threw the ball into the thirties, we were going to lose. That was philosophy. Yeah.

Interesting. It's like completely reversed now. Yeah. So, uh, Bill, Bill actually said this about you. He said, there was something hypnotic about him that look when he was dropping back, he was poetic in his movements, almost sensuous. Everything's so fluid, so much under control. Did, did you turn Bill Walsh on when you were playing quarterback?

Would you like look at him and catch him like biting his lip and just watching film with you? No, you know, the one thing he demanded was the footwork was like a big thing for him and that how you drop bag, how you hit that last step, whether it's stepping up into the pocket or hitting and that back foot and letting it go. Um, he wanted it a certain way. And, um, you know, I think I'd fit into what he envisioned as, um, um, doing the things the right way.

And we, we worked on those fundamentals every day. I mean, I thought I was done with fundamentals long before that, but God was stressed every day by him footwork, footwork, footwork. If I hear bend your knees one more time in my nightmares over it, you know, you make a bad throw on the first thing I'd say, and you straighten your knees, you know, man, he was always the little things that made a difference in where that, you know, how accurate you could be with the ball. And he, he felt it was all driven from your waist down.

Yeah. Um, what's your favorite John Candy movie uncle, but that's the right answer. Correct answer. I'm sure you've been asked this a million times, uh, about the famous John Candy moment in right before you lead the team on a 92 yard drive in the Super Bowl in the fourth quarter with three minutes left. You say to the huddle, Hey, look, there's John Candy over there and everyone looks and sees John Candy eating popcorn in the front row.

So my question is going to be a little maybe different, but were you always Joe cool? Were you always unflappable like that? Was the game kind of always slow for you or was that something you, uh, learned through the years and were able to gain as a skill? I think the one thing Bill taught me was like, when you get into Sunday, when you're going into Sunday, I think it's like taking a test, you know, in school. When you walk in to take a test in school, you're nervous.

If you haven't done your homework and prepared for that test, right? And, but if you go in there prepared, there's, yeah, you might still be nervous about the test a little bit, but it's not the same. You, it's not that, Oh my God, what am I going to get? What am I going to do? There's more about, am I going to get an A or B? And, and that's kind of his preparation was for perfection. He wanted, he wanted mistakes and especially from the quarterback side of it.

And he won you every day to come to practice like it was a game and try to be perfect, try to complete a hundred percent of your passes. He wanted them all 12 inches in front of the numbers. He wanted a guy running a hook. He goes, you can see where the defender is. Throw the ball in the opposite number. Tell that was the signal to that guy, the receiver to turn that direction. So he doesn't turn and get hit in the face to go in the other way.

And so he, he demanded accuracy and perfection in that position. And if you go back and look whether it was me, Steve Young, Steve DeBerg, Steve Bono, you know, you don't see a lot of our guys diving and jumping for balls very often, you know, on a rare occasion, but that, but that's because he demanded that kind of, you know, perfection of the quarterback. He goes, I want you basically to handle all of those guys. Yeah. Interesting.

Now's his approach. It's like the detail, if you can take care of all the details and be confident in your preparation, then you have the, you're not going to have as much stuff to worry about on Sunday and you go out there and you have fun. And you can go see John Candy in the front row. Was that now, was that move really just to calm down your huddle? No, actually. Starstruck by John Candy.

No, I had met with John a couple of times. They tried to give me to go to Canada a number of years before that, but the thing was really for Harris Barton. Harris Barton was a people person. So every, every night during the Super Bowl, we were free for dinner before and during the week. And Harris was like a little kid. He'd come back and try and tell you what celebrities he saw.

And he was so excited. So TV timeouts are like eight minutes or so long. They're really long in the Super Bowl. And so I'd been gone to the sideline once, maybe even twice and was just standing there and all of a sudden between Harris' shoulders and the tight end, John Candy was framed. And I didn't remember Harris saying anything about John Candy. And we were still waiting for the signal to start.

So I went over to Harris and said, Hey, look, this is John Candy. He looked over the sideline and he's, he started mumbling a bunch of stuff about Super Bowl. I couldn't understand half of it, but we're trying to win in Super Bowl. John, can you look at me, John? I thought he would appreciate it, but I think he appreciates it today more than he did back then. But no, I was just, I was just trying, I was just being myself.

And, you know, we're getting ready to run a two minute offense that I know, you know, we've done a million times and we've done it against probably the toughest time every Thursday of every week when we run it against our own. Defense, yeah, first, first defense. So, um, yeah, I wasn't concerned about it. Yeah, interesting. We only really needed a field goal anyway, just a tie. So that's true.

We got the touchdown. So Big Cap mentioned your nickname, Joe Cool. I don't think it's fair that your name is Joe Montana. Your nickname is Joe Cool. And you also have another nickname, the comeback kid. That's like, you have three very cool names. And it's just like, Hey, man, save some for the rest of us. Well, it was funny when they, they always were trying to give me nicknames.

And the one somebody said, I already had a nickname in Joe Montana. I knew what I needed was a real name and they sent me a plaque, a name plaque from my locker said David W Gibson. So just like a normal Joe name. Yeah, it was a normal name. Yeah. But I mean, Joe Montana is you have definitely had that moment where you're like, I obviously am a tremendous talent, had four Super Bowls, Hall of Famer.

But that extra like 1% of allure is because of the name Joe Montana. Well, thank you. Oh, my parents would be proud that. Yeah. You've had to be in a GM and you have an option of who to draft. And Joe Montana is one of the options. You're like, No, I think I'm going to pass. Like if you're Joe Smith, I don't know if Guinness is doing a deal with you right now.

It's true. To be honest, the four Super Bowls cool, but you're not Joe Montana. Well, thank you. Appreciate that. So it's interesting. There's the John Candy story, but I think the the more popular celebrity sighting that you had in one of your big games is at the catch. Do you know who is who was there at the catch?

I don't know. Come on, Chris Berman. You don't remember seeing Chris Berman in the core of the end zone. Well, there's Berman. Look at all that here. He had Tom Brady also there. Brady was there, but that's that's an afterthought boomer was there. How how much more shine do you think that moment has gotten because Chris Berman

brings it up like four times a year and plays the replay of him standing right there with us. Well, he's a huge, huge 49er fan and a big and a great friend of Mr. Debarlo. So so I'm sure he loves putting it up there and just the energy he brings. I love, you know, it's still to this day. It's he's been around a long time and it's been a good friend also at the same time, but he's fun to listen to, especially when the baseball wanted to

hit in the home run. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. Yes. That throw where you mean, like you kind of just threw it up there. Right. Like that Clark made the play.

You just were like, I hope this works. Well, Dwight was supposed to set a pick for Freddie Solomon and Freddie actually fell down until that play. We had never thrown it to Dwight and his job really at that point is he realized what happened and he has to get to the back of the end zone and then slide back towards the the the pylon in the back and I'm supposed to throw it above his head and if he misses it, it goes out of bounds. And when I let it go, I got knocked down.

And but as I let it go, I could, the first part of it felt like I was going to be a little above his head. Maybe, you know, maybe a little jump and I didn't imagine it was that high. And when I hit the ground and I heard the crowd roar, I figured, ah, touchdown. That kind of was what I thought. And until I got to the sideline and our equipment manager said to me, boy, your buddy saved your ass that time. He goes, he jumped out of the stadium.

Yeah. Kissed that. I go, he's white. He can't jump. It is the catch, not the throw. I mean, it wasn't unbelievable. Change it to the throw without the throw. You wouldn't have made a catch, but he wasn't going for it.

That's got to be such a cool moment to get like smashed by a linebacker or a lineman and not see the end of the play, but just hear the crowd roar and be like, yup, we did it. Yeah. There's, you know, unfortunately, there are a number of times where as you let the ball go, you get, you don't see a lot of it. And, you know, you make the mistake on occasion to try to, to watch it. And two things usually happen.

Well, one, it typically happens. Somehow you get hurt. I got tired of getting whiplash in my head because I'm trying to watch. And as you're watching, the last thing to hit is your head on the turf or first game in Tampa, uh, when I was with the cheese, I threw a post pattern and JJ Burton and I'm trying to watch it. And I, I got hit and I put my hands back and I ended up like chipping a bone in my wrist and, and then the many dropped it.

So I was going, dang, I'm not getting hit, but catch it. Please. Yeah. No, it's been, but it is, it's, um, it's kind of, kind of crazy. The game's fun and hopefully they, something happens with it and we can watch it, sit back, enjoy a nice pint of Guinness at the time. And hopefully I'll be back. But, you know, I'm just, you know, like we all say, uh, mispartnership

between Notre Dame and Guinness is something special. A lot of tradition behind it, heading in the same direction, looking for a lot of the same goals and movement, um, not only in sports, but, uh, around, uh, the country and trying to make us, trying to have, make the place a better place for all of us. So yeah, you know what I really miss right now? I miss, I miss going into a bar, into a pub and ordering a Guinness and drinking it inside.

Yeah. It feels like it's been years since I've done that. And I need that, I need that back. It's not fall until that happens. No, it was, I said, when I was in Kansas City, our center, oh, Tim Runhart, another Notre Dame, he had a, he had an Irish pub. So we'd always end up down there. It's nice.

So, so when you went to Kansas city, it kind of correlates a little bit to what Tom Brady's going through right now. He had a lot of success with his first team. He's synonymous with the Patriots. I think a lot of people would say you're so synonymous with the 49ers. When you get to Kansas city, uh, do you find yourself at a position where you have to kind of reestablish yourself as the man, or was there any sort of like, uh, kind of breaking in period where you, you know, you were working

to win over those new teammates? I think one of the things that happens is, is, um, when you go to a new team like that, the first thing they want to see first, so your personality, when you get in the locker room and, um, the other for acceptance is when you get on the field, they want to see what's, what makes you different. And, um, you know, there's a weird, I was just looking at some stuff cause we're filming some things here. Um, and the head Carl Peterson talking about our first seven on seven, and he

said, I don't think it will ball hit the ground. And I'm sitting there at seven on seven, hopefully it never hits the ground on seven and seven, but, um, you know, it's something that I guess it sounded like they hadn't seen before or in a long time. And, you know, you, you slowly work your way into the acceptance and, you know, the first training camp and, you know, playing golf in the afternoon or at lunchtime with the, with the, with the guys and hurry up and run over there and play like four or five holes before we had to go back to practice.

But, you know, it just takes doing the things and, you know, just, uh, for acceptance into that. And, but someone like Tom, you know, he won't have, he won't have a problem. His personality lends itself to easy acceptance and obviously what he's been able to accomplish. And while they got a good team down there, that was the defense and the numbers they put up offensively. And then you had, you had him and that crazy man, Gronk, and do the, the

mix knows what's going to happen. Yeah. All right. So I had one last question, Joe. Uh, it is our zip recruiter question with the seamless experience from start to finish, just like this question, zip recruiter takes carrier recruiting. Right now you can try zip recruiter for free at ziprecruiter.com slash take, um, four Super Bowls, big time college football play, uh, games, you know,

a storied Hall of Fame career. Is there one game or one moment that you find yourself day dreaming about or dreaming about that you go back into? And it just kind of, it's all, it's that one memory that's seared into your brain that you always go back to. I think it was playing, I want to say it was the 88 season. I can never remember the year too many hits in the head, I think, but we were playing Philadelphia and Philadelphia when Buddy Ryan was there.

And, you know, we, we were going into the game and everybody was saying how, you know, we're, we're not big enough and we're a finesse team. We can't handle the pressure and the power and the physical part of the game that they bring the Eagles brought to us at that time. And, you know, the first play, I think the first series, we get a blitz and I hit Jerry for about 60, maybe 70 yards for a touchdown. And I'm sitting there thinking, oh, this is, this is going to be easier than I thought. And then from that point on, I never picked myself up off the ground

more times through a game in my life. And, and, you know, we got behind and then we were fortunate we scored a bunch of touchdowns in the fourth quarter and they'd come back to beat them back there. And that's one that always sticks in, in within, mainly cause we, we were ahead and all, we was third and five or third and three. And we sent the back out a little read route and tried to get the first down and the game would have been over. And the back sitting there wide open and instead of throwing them all the back, you see your head coach, his head go,

I let it go, I let it fly down the field to Jerry and for a touchdown. And I was, we got off the sideline and he said, well, you're lucky you completed that pass. That's interesting, though, that it's a game that's not, you know, one of the Super Bowl wins or one of the big Notre Dame wins. That's, that's interesting. You know that there are some Philly fans out there that still remember that to this day. And they hate Joe Montana and they will never allow your name to be uttered in their house because of that regular season game. Yeah, but that was, that's probably the one. That's awesome. That's awesome. Well,

Joe, this has been so much fun. We thank you. We're excited for our Guinness to get here. Yes. And you're welcome back anytime. I appreciate it. You guys have a good one. Always fun to listen to. Before we get to ACON, a quick word from our friends at Mugsy Jeans. I am exclusively wearing Mugsy Jeans, by the way. I have made the transition. I have only Mugsy Jeans. I have 10 different pair because Mugsy Jeans are the best, most comfortable jeans in the world. Mugsy was started by Astooli. He was tired of being uncomfortable in his jeans. His goal was simple. Reinvent men's jeans to look good and feel outrageously comfortable. After five years of

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It is ACON. ACON. It's great to have you on, man. You are a legend of the game. We were actually listening to some of your songs to get us hyped for this interview. And yeah, they're awesome. That's kind of my first question. They're fucking awesome, dude. Thank you, man. Thank you so much, brother. So how are you doing? When's the new mix tape, when's it coming out? Can you tell people what they should be expecting? Yeah. So Ain't No Peace actually just released. It's actually on all your digital platforms as we speak right now. It dropped last Friday. This EP is called Ain't No Peace specifically because of all the social things that's been going on during quarantine

and certainly before, you know, with all the police brutality and all the stuff that's going on within the urban neighborhoods and, you know, the miscommunication between civilians and police officers and things of this nature. So I kind of wanted to address some of that musically, not from a political side or hostile side, but just from a person in the people's side so people can really understand this kind of reaction and how life is really, can be taken in a small little turn on one little incident. So I kind of wanted to create a more from a unity standpoint to give every audience an idea and understand the characteristics between both sides to be able to hear it but through music. I like it. Yeah. No, that's I think that's a good cause

to be working towards. Can you help me understand because just talk to me like I'm a four year old like I'm an idiot, but I've always wondered what the differences between an EP, a mix tape, an album and a record is. Right. So a record and an album and an LP is all the same. Okay. Right. So that's just like a body of work and EP is like a mini version of an album. It's like one song short from an official album. An official album is eight songs or more. Got it. You know, and anything less than that is an EP. So it's just like a small body of work. Right. A mix tape is a combination of both. The only difference is a mix tape is more made for the culture. So when you make a mix tape, you're not really doing it for profit. You're either doing it to showcase your

talent or you're doing it to spread a specific type of message. Got it. And that's on that form outside of DSPs, mix tape sites, block sites. It could be anywhere and everything, but you don't really care to monetize it because it's really more so something that just you put out for the people and for your fans. I got a mix tape is like for fun. I got it. So another question, like a five year old, how sick is it to go platinum? Oh, dude, I think especially when you don't expect to go platinum, that's when it becomes sick. So did you not expect to go platinum when you, because you've gone platinum three times, right? Right. But you know, it's funny, though, every record that I ever put out, like my first album, one, two, and three all went

diamond, right? And diamond is 10 million records. So when you go diamond, when you do 10 million or more, you go diamond, then you got gold, which is 500,000 and platinum, which is a million. But anything, you know, so ultimately, when I first, when I first started putting records out, I was never an accolade type person. I really didn't care if I sold, I just wanted to be popular and I wanted everybody to know my songs and sing along, right? And I didn't even know that there were a chart or even anything. So when they told me I went platinum, I just assumed at that time, oh, wise, I'm known all over America. I didn't think that platinum was a million record sold. You know what I mean? Right. And then when I went diamond, I was like, oh,

shit. So that means I'm known all over the globe. Yeah. That means that's 10 million records. So but with the way I calculate, like the way I like, um, uh, looked at it and the way it was actually presented, it pretty meant the same thing. Cause normally when you go platinum, that means everyone in America pretty much is hip to what you got going on. And by the time you go diamond, that mean everybody in the globe pretty much knows your song or heard of you. And I read that you are also the ringtone king. So there are more ringtones featuring ACON songs than any other artists out there. What is there an award for that? Do you go like cellular? Do you go 5g? What's at what level do you establish yourself as a ringtone king? And that's actually a great question because I was

getting plaques from Verizon and sprint on congratulations, you know, a million ringtones. So 10 million ringtones. So then I got this big old plaque with a billion ringtones. So and I was like, wow. But at the time, my only focus was honestly selling ringtones because I realized I did the number. An average song, you know, you was paying a $199 for the single on iTunes. You remember those days? And then the ringtone was only 15 seconds of the song, but it was $499. So I did the numbers. I was like, well, hold up. You know, if $199 gives you a full song and $499 give you 15 seconds of the song, that's shifting my whole business model. I went straight for the ringtones. And every song I made, I made sure I did all ringtones for it. And I made sure

that it was based around every time somebody called you that song will come on. It did three things. First, it made me more money. Number two, it promoted the song because every time you hear it, it's like, who's that? Or I got to go pick up that or I need to go listen to that. So it always reminded people that I existed. You know, so and then the third reason was nobody really was thinking like that, you know, at that time. So it became something that actually came to huge benefit. I ended up being on the Guinness Book of World Records for most ringtones sold in the world. And the thing that I never gave on my digital rights, I was able to really make more money just from selling ringtones that I did. Then my label made from selling my albums.

That's crazy. So was there ever a song that you wrote like in, in, you're like, you know what, this song is going to sound great in the club or the bar, but it's really going to sound great in someone's Nokia. Like, were you like, we got to make sure we got to fix this so it really pops on the phones. Right. So now the funny part about it, my first album, when I made those records, I didn't anticipate ringtones because at that time ringtones didn't exist. But by the time, but what ended up happening on my first album, the biggest ringtone record that was sold was Mr. Lonely. You know, so, but then by the time the second album came, I knew that ringtones would be huge. You know what I mean? So the songs that I made on that album specifically was made for,

at the phone ring, what would actually sound cool. And one of them would smack that and the other one, I want to love you. So have you written a song that is like specifically geared towards like this song is about being called on the phone? Yes, I actually did that. And I was going to I was supposed to do a deal with Samsung for that specific song on all their handhelds. And then that's when the merge happened at Universal and everything kind of shifted a whole something other way. And I couldn't quite make the deal because Universal at the time owned my masters. So I kind of lost that opportunity, but I was already thinking that. Yeah, you mentioned smack that. Do you ever think that at somewhere somewhere in the world, at any given time,

two strangers are grinding for the first time to smack that happening right now, right now, right the second, right? You're making people fall in love right now on the dance floor. Yeah. Yeah, it's true. It's happening right now. So another part of your career that is underrated is that your eye for talent is exceptional. You signed Lady Gaga and T-Pain before they kind of blew up. What was it or what is it that that you see in people or what's that defining factor that you're like, okay, this person, they have it. I have to be working with them. Man, I think the if factor you can never describe is just you you just don't know until you see it and you be like, oh, shit, that's it. Like that's it. You like it's not it's so hard. It's almost like an instinct

like you're riding down the street and something tells you to make a left turn. But then you you don't follow your instinct. You make a right turn and then something bad happens. And you're like, damn, I knew I should have made that left for my instincts told me. That's how it is when finding a superstar. Your instinct just tells you, oh, shit, that's a star right there. You just know, I don't know how to explain it. I just know. So you felt it when you first saw Lady Gaga. You're like, okay, that's it. Like she's going to be incredible. 100%. From the moment I met her, but then she made it she confirmed it when she went in the booth to demo the song out. That's when I was like, oh, yes, this chick is a star. Is there somebody that you that you've

met that you've been like, I don't know. And you kind of passed on them. And then you saw a couple years later, they blew up and you're like, shit, my eye wasn't right that day. Yep. And every day I'll be like, damn, how did I miss that one? But it was Drake. Oh, really? Well, no, I'm with you. I agree with you. Wait, wait, so so what was the what was your first introduction to Drake? You had you like heard him? You saw him and you're like, nope, not going to have it. No, no, actually, this was before years before I even met Drake. I had an artist named Cardinalo Fischal. And he was also from Canada. And Cardi brought me a mixtape that he did before the I think the record he had was the best I ever had. Yeah. So he played me the mixtape.

But at the time he didn't sound obviously anything like he sounds today, because he sounded more like an M&M type of rapper at that time. You know what I mean? And in my mind, I'm like, yeah, he's a dope rapper, but there's someone after that kind of the style was super similar and was very like it just wasn't original enough for me. Okay. Yeah. I mean, yeah, looking back on it, that probably costs you tens of millions of dollars. That sucks. I mean, you're not going to catch them all and you know, you really can't you really can't you can say predict someone's growth because everyone grows differently. And boy that that boy grow because I mean, even I think there was a moment where Sylvia Rome thought that Tray song was going to be bigger than Drake.

You know, no one's anticipated Drake's growing the way he grew. Like right now he's probably one of my favorite rappers if I had to pick one. Yeah, that's wild that you've that that is like your coaching tree almost is that you've got Lady Gaga and all those people that have kind of like followed you along. What what type of mentorship do you provide to them to like help them reach that star status? Well, it's more so just kind of polishing and and and like injecting the confidence and what they already have because you really can't like always I always disagree when people say, well, they can make people love or I made you or because of me, you wouldn't be who you are. I always believe that people have natural talents and you just got to help them

discover that talent within themselves because once they get that confident, then they can man, they'll show you parts of them that you never even saw was even there. You know what I mean? That's what kind of hinders artists from getting to that place is that lack of fearlessness and that lack of confidence. I think the moment they acquire those two parts, man, the sky's the limit as to how far they can go. Can we talk real quick about your city that you're building? You're building a futures futuristic city in Africa that has its own cryptocurrency called a coin. Now, right? Did you do this whole thing because a coin is just like the perfect name for a cryptocurrency? You're like, I got to build a cryptocurrency

might as well build the city around that. Well, it was actually it's almost in that order. So I got involved in cryptocurrency back in 2013 or 14 when I met Brock Pierce. At the time, he was one of the biggest Bitcoin holders and he's very influential in the Bitcoin world, considered to be one of the founders of a group of other founders, but he's like super impactful in that space. And a guy named Ken Rokowski actually introduced me to him. So he kind of schooled me to what it was, how it was moving. And at the time I saw how digital payments were growing really fast because they were already doing it in Africa, but they hadn't reached in America yet to that level. So I had kind of already understood the concept. But then when

he walked me through the process of how Bitcoin worked the back end, and then gave me the idea of what all blockchain meant and how it actually was impactful to the platform itself, that's when I was like, Oh, this is the solution for Africa. So I said, I got to create my own African coin. So I called it the A coin for African coin. It just so happens. Yeah. This was meant for me. This is perfect. You know, the thing it all kind of rolled together. But then if you have a coin, you all and mine is a utilization utilization coin. So I have to have something to utilize it towards, right? You can't have a coin and you can't spend it or you can't use it towards anything of value. So my whole idea is I want to tokenize not only the entrepreneurs

all throughout Africa and the resources that Africa already has to give, but something on their everyday basic everyday life. Because we started to realize that you can go to certain parts of villages and people were using their cell phone minutes as currency, like they will go in and buy some fish and then transfer like maybe 10 minutes of cell phone minutes for the purchase of that. That's how crazy and how you could say how unconfident they were of the local dollar. So that's when I said, okay, we need to create not only the A coin, but we want to create what we now call the atomic swap where you can actually take your cell phone minutes and you can actually convert those to actually A coins and spill real currency. And when you travel outside of Africa,

those A coins will have and hold the same value. The atomic swap is just a badass name. That's very cool. So anyway, so how do you like that? Yes, I really like it. How's the city going? Where are you at in terms of the building of the city? Like so city was it took about five years to materialize to where we are today. It's an eight billion dollar project. But then we had we brought it down to a six billion dollar project. Just last month, we were able to secure the six billion dollars for the city. So now we have everything in order, including the master plan of the city and come January of 2021, we start construction. So first phase, which will be in three phases, a 10 year project, first phase is the first three years, you'll be able to after the first phase of

the first building project, you'll be able to fly into the city, have fun, work and play by 2024. Holy shit. What a plan. Well, I mean, like you talk about dreaming big, I mean, eight billion dollars is more than six. Yeah, but you can also pay for an A coin. Yeah, exactly. So you are building an entire city. What goes along with that for you? Like, do you become king of that city? Or when you fly in, like what type of rights do you get there? Yeah. So what I'm trying to do is make it a free zone where you it's a tax free zone. And also I'm trying to set it up to where when you come into a coin, I mean, a con city, you also come in, you can actually apply for your own passport to the city. So it becomes a city independent of the city that is actually sitting in. And we

want to do it all throughout Africa. And eventually one day, take it outside of America, I mean, outside of Africa into America and also into certain places like India, China and the place in Latin America. But to answer your question, yeah, I would be considered pretty much the king of the city because I will be owning it. So you said that you want people to fly in, have fun. What does that look like? What is your vision for the city? Oh, man, the city is crazy. Like we have a tech district where you got all the next step that will be based in there. We're working out now, partnerships now, you know, we want the world to have to be able to come and be able to visit the Amazon or the Googles or the apples of the world or the Alibaba's of the world, places like that

was all tech hubs and stuff like that. Then we have the entertainment side of it, where we're going to have recording studios for music, film studios for film development and things of that nature. And then of course, we got major mad sound stages for concerts, stadiums for ball games, whether it's soccer or football or wherever things like that. And also major concerts as well. And then we have the theme park section where it's all family and friendly. So it's like a small mini Disney world that's connected to that. So when all the tourists come, they could bring their children, keep them busy. You know what I'm saying? Then we also have the business district where there's all Fortune 500 companies, you know, major Fortune 5 companies that's looking for

bases within Africa. They could actually set their home base for all of Africa right there in A-Con City and be, you know, pretty much open and have access to everything that actually, you know, that's wrapped around it. So it's pretty much a 360 concept idea. We'll also have hospitals in there on police department, on fire department and of real infrastructure that actually goes through the whole process. And we're also killing about to kill everybody because we're trying to get the hyperloop, which is a train system that gets you from A to Z within seconds. Like, I don't know if you guys read up on the hyperloop, but it's one of the things that'll get you from like one point to about five miles in like two, three seconds, literally.

Oh, shit. Wait, so isn't that, is that the Elon Musk one? Like, have you been talking, have you been working with Elon? Elon, actually, I think from, I don't want to go too far with this information because some of it is qualified. I mean, you can, what they call it, confidential. But, and some of it might be true, might not be true, but there's been some real conversations as to what's the name now, now managing the project and bought it from Elon. What's the name of the one that owns version? Richard Branson. Yeah. So now it's a Richard Branson concept and idea. I think Elon is still attached to us somehow. But, you know, I know my people when they were talking, they were talking amongst those two,

those two people there. Damn. So this project sounds like something I would come up with if I was like really high in a room with my friends. And then the next morning I'd wake up the next day and be like, that was a cool conversation, but I'm never going to take any steps towards doing it. Right. Because it's actually like an insane amount of work to do. Have you thought about just like stopping it? I bet that would be a rush. If you were just like, nah, you know what, never mind. I'm going to give up. Like, it seems like there are a lot of points along the way that you could give up on this. Yeah. The thing is, like, to me, it was more about the adventure, right? And it never started to become a project of this magnitude. It started off as, you know, buying the land and

started building real estate on it and things like this. And as this time went on, ideas started to splurge, you know, we started to expand even wider, started to figure out how we could scale it out and how we could make it bigger. And in time, it just became this big. But I think it's all about collaboration. You know, I treat my business ventures just the way same way I treat music. You know, you know, if you don't really have or know anything in that space, you hire professionals in that space and just pay them what they're worth. And you're going to get your full value out of it. And before you know it, they bring in other professionals that actually adds to it. And you have a full team naturally just working for you and then becomes your vision that they're

helping you execute. Damn. And so I'm assuming that you're going to be able to purchase ACON ringtones with Acorn. That way you get the transaction fee as well. Oh, yeah, your ringtones, ringback tones, all of them. That's all. I don't have pictures. You already got a Gucci store in there. I'm looking at a picture of your city. That's pretty sick. Major hot top, you know, top brands, they're all going to be within the shopping district. So when you go there, you won't miss a beat. Like, but the difference is you're going to discover stuff over there and designs over there that you would never see anywhere else in the world. Because I mean, one of the most amazing, craziest, out of the space and out of this world type

designers are all African men and stopping stuff that they come up with mentally. It's just out of and then you team them up with, you know, real design, you know, designers and top notch, you know, like brands with those type of designs is only exclusive to ACON city. I guarantee you, bro, you're going to go out there coming back looking crazy. Are you going to have a sports team? Oh, yeah, we plan to do that too. Because I don't know if you know that NBA Africa has now been active. So I've been a part of that in the beginning of the stages. So we all plan to also have a team that I'm working on and speaking to NBA Africa about for ACON city to have his own team as well. Do you know what the team name is going

to be? I haven't figured that out yet, but it's going to be related to convict somehow. Okay, God damn, that's what a cool idea. I don't think that people necessarily know that. But when they think about the dude that sings don't matter. He's also the guy that brought electricity to what 14 countries in Africa. So you've actually executed on some of this before. Is it at 14 now? Yeah, we're at 16 countries all throughout Africa. We have pilots everywhere there. And the whole idea for that, as you know, was to electrify the rural areas and, you know, the villages and places where people didn't have access to electricity and end up becoming a for profit business now where we're actually a full like utilize, utilization tool for energy there.

So we have a full energy company now. So it's like, and we also we were so successful in Africa that we created our company here in America. And we're here, we're doing it on a utility scale as well, where we're in Texas and also in Arizona doing about 2.3 gigawatts of electricity that we're doing through solar to provide electricity. And now we're working on a full known project now where we're decommissioning all the coal plants and turning them into solar and renewable sources of energy. Damn. So let's just say flash forward like 60, 70 years, like maybe it's 2090 or something like that. What do you want? What does ACON want to be known by when this is when when your life's over when people are remembering your career and your

life? Do you want to be known as a musician, as an entrepreneur, as ringtone? Yeah, all these people that will be walking around that were probably conceived to your songs. What do you want them to think about when they hear the name ACON? Well, I think it's going to be all of the above, but in the end of it, I just want them to say, wow, this dude made a huge impact. Like he really made an impact. And then when they say, well, how did he make an impact? There's endless of things that they can mention to say, this is how he did it. Wow. So I had another music question. I've always been curious about like how the collaboration works, whether it be you collaborating on someone else's album or they collaborating on your album. How does that work? Do you always

have that in mind? Like, all right, I want to work with X, Y and Z. I have to then do something for them or how does that all kind of play out? Well, it's interesting because it's really a mixture of all of the above again. In the beginning, when I first started, my collaboration was very tactical. I had to find, like I had to think about everything. So I was very strategic as to how and who I collaborated with in the beginning, because ultimately I did it to gain a fan base. So I would look at all my BDSs and see where I was getting airplay and where I was super popular and areas where I wasn't as popular, then I will collaborate with the most popular artists in that area to be introduced by that market. So that's how I was able to grow as fast as I did. And then once you

get there, you start to create all these friends that you collaborate with in the past and it becomes something that's fun for you guys to just do it. And then on the business level, of course, when you don't know people as well as you do, you charge them whatever your fee is, and then he charges you whatever his fee is. At that moment, we wanted to charge each other because it wasn't coming from our pocket. The label was paying for it, so we will make money for each other, you know what I mean? But now, direct to consumer and everything is so independently done. It's like if we come out of pocket, it's literally coming out of our pocket. So now we do what you call a basic swap. I do a song for you, you do a song for me, and then we split the

royalties of publishing or wherever down the middle. Oh, that's cool. Okay, so yeah, in today's, you know, in the age of digital music, I've always heard that the artists are getting the short end of the stick more and more on this. I'm sure that this is something that you've thought about is like how does the music industry self-correct so that all the money isn't going either to a big corporation that is the platform for it or the record labels, especially now since you can't tour? Like how have you kind of seen the future of the music industry taking shape in a way that could benefit the artist? Well, the only way it benefits the artist is if the artist is independent. But that's only if the artist is already a list artist already has a name

or audience for themselves, then the independent independent route is the best way to go. Somebody like me, definitely independent 1000%. If there's an artist that's unknown and needs to build that base, then attaching themselves to a label or some kind of organizational brand is the best way for them to go. So you almost have to sacrifice yourself to become valuable enough to do it yourself. But if you start with someone from the beginning, I think it's only right to allow them to attach and somehow participate in future earnings because they did contribute to helping you get to where you are. But I guess that depends on the person's morale or that person's integrity to an extent. But if they're just astute businessman,

they will probably utilize the label of someone as a stepping stone to get to that point, then completely branch off to do their own thing. So I had one last question. It's been awesome. And everyone should listen to ACON's new mix tape, which is out now. Make sure you do that. So my last question, it's called ain't no peace, by the way. So my last question, it's the zip recruiter question with a seamless experience from start to finish. Just like this question, zip recruiter takes care of your recruiting. Right now you can try zip recruiter for free at zip recruiter.com slash take. This is kind of a dumb question. It's a zip recruiter question, but it's a dumb question. You were the first solo artist to hold both the number one

and two spots simultaneously on the Billboard Hot 100. Was there ever a moment that you got sick of hearing your own song just constantly played when you were like, when it was really hot and it was everywhere you went, it was ACON, ACON, ACON. Was there ever a moment like, let's listen to something else? Well, to be honest, I was tired of hearing my voice. Yeah. Yeah. You were everywhere. Everywhere. It wasn't a station I would turn to, because sometimes I would try, I would try this turn to even an AM station that just escaped. And even the stations, they would do talk breaks. And then they may have one song that may play within four or five hours. And it happens to be one of my songs. And I'm like, right. Right. I mean, I was everywhere. That's why it had gotten to the

point where I just stopped listening to music all together because I would have to hear it everywhere I went, whether I was in a restaurant or bowling, or, you know, and then on top of everywhere being everywhere to hear, hear myself everywhere, I would have constant tours and shows where I have to also sing it too. Yes. You know, believe me when I tell you, and in every, every phone that I was next to, if they had a ringtone, most likely it was one of my songs. So imagine hearing my high pitch ass voice everywhere I go. So when I took that break and went back to Africa, it was like, it was perfect. You know, so it kind of allowed me to kind of reset a little bit. But yeah, to ask you a question, I did get tired of hearing myself. When there were number one and

two simultaneously, were you rooting for one song over the other to be number one? Dude, I didn't even know what that meant at the time. I just thought, okay, smack that with number one. Oh, shit. Guess what? I want to love you also with number one. I didn't know, I didn't even know that it was fighting to get, you know, flop swaps. Like I had no idea what was going on until they came and they said, you know, do you know what just happened? I was like, no, he said, dude, you got, he was number one. Both of your songs, number one and number two at the same time. And then they swapped places. Then the other number two was number one and number one. That's awesome. That's awesome. Yeah. Well, thinking about it today, though,

it's been awesome. Yeah. Yeah. It's incredible. Well, Akon, this has been awesome, man. We really appreciate it. Everyone, like I said, go listen to Akon's new mixtape, ain't no peace, and we're excited for the city. I'm, I want to go to the city. Yes. When it's ready to go, I want to go to the city. No, let's listen. I can't wait to host you guys, man. I'm going to be super excited, bro. Can you gamble on sports there? Man, they got, listen, we got everything set up all the way. And no, this was even crazy. And a lot of people don't even know, but we're going to have in Akon city, one of the biggest surfing conventions in the city. So if you guys are into surfing, that bro, and a lot of people don't know the sign of God right now in all of Africa is one of the

biggest surfing destinations in the world. Okay. In the world. Okay. Above, everywhere. I'm not into surfing, but I'll get into surfing for, to go visit your city. Bro, you got it. You got me and you're like, I'm serious with that surfing. People don't know that. Okay. God damn. This sounds awesome. You've thought of everything. All right. Well, are you going to run for president? If I do run, it's probably going to be either 2025 or 2029. Well, neither of those are election years. So you'll probably win or 2028. There you go. Okay. I like though. I think that'd be cool to just run for president in years when there's not an election. Yeah. Just do your own thing. Can't lose. Have you ever had an idea and been like, no, that's too crazy. That's too wild.

I'm not going to do that. No, you know what? Actually, I've never, no, you know what? I did one time and that was the sky dive. I said, oh, yeah, I'm going to do it. Then I got on the plane, went 30,000 feet in the sky. It was a 10,000. 10. Yeah. It was 10,000 feet in the sky. And I said, no, I'm not going to do it. But then I got all the way up there and felt like a pussy. I said, no, I came this far. I got to go do it. And then I finally did it. And then now, no matter where I go in the world, I always got to find it. They got skydiving. I always pop off the plane. What? So now you're just skydiving too? It's amazing. I've done it once, but that's the only time I ever need to do it. I'm never doing it again. Dude, it depends on

where you do it is. And if you do it in an area where it's cold, the experience is different. But when you do it in an area like Dubai or the Middle East, Africa, some place where it's naturally hot, I don't know what it is. I think because the heat, it allows you to float slower because somehow the heat kind of keeps you to where you can kind of manage. It's rising up. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But it's a different experience, bro. It's like you're floating. Well, I love all your ideas, Akon. You're like, you know, Elon Musk is looking up to outer space. He's like, I'm going to go explore that plane. I'm going to go land on this asteroid and try to fuck it. You're like, I'm focused on earth. There's so much stuff that I can do down here.

And it sounds like you've been very successful. So I wish you the best. I can't wait to visit Akon City and spend like $1,000 worth of a point every minute. So I'm a sucker. I'm the person that you want to go visit Akon City. Yes. No way. You're going to give me IP passes, baby. Love it. Love it. All right. Well, thank you so much, Akon. We really appreciate it, man. No, you got it, man. Thank you so much, bro. That interview with Akon was brought to you by Norton 360 with LifeLock. In these challenging times, it's amazing that we can stay so connected and you've probably been relying on your Wi-Fi connections more than usual. So between working from home, shopping online, or binge watching your favorite show on your devices, your private info is more exposed

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Go to norton.com slash PMT. That's norton.com slash PMT. Check them out. They're going to protect you. Norton.com slash PMT. And you're going to get 25% off. All right, let's finish up with a couple segments in Billy's list. By the way, Hank, that was dirty what you just did. Hank just texted me, it texted the group. If the Lakers advance past the first round, they plan to wear Black Mama jerseys to honor Kobe Bryant in the following rounds. Respect. So that means that after I just went on that rant about how the Blazers have no chance, the Blazers will absolutely win, and then they'll never wear the jerseys. Well, yeah. And Laker Dan will strike again. That sounds, I just said it'd be a shame, which it wouldn't be. Blazers in five. Oh, my God. I've

revised my prediction. Oh, Blazers in five. There we go. Keep talking. I'll drop it to four. Oh, fucking crazy. You won't do it. Blazers in five still. Okay. We have talking soccer. Messi. Messi got his shit pushed. He's the only guy on the field. He can't. What's the Giselle? Tom can't throw and catch. He cannot kick and throw the ball in. We can. At the same time. Yeah, but he can't stop. He can't play defense and offense at the same time. He can't stop eight goals from Bayern Munich. That was that whatever. Guess what? You know who wasn't playing on Friday? Ronaldo. That's true. Because he's out. Yeah. But Messi now wants to transfer. He wants to leave, even though he's got another year. Let's get some with some winners. Why doesn't Messi go to MLS?

He's about that time. Ronaldo needs a guy. There you go. He's like 33, 34 right now. No, he's not about that time. He would fucking wreck the MLS. They should just give Messi an MLS team. Yes. Be like, hey, bring whoever you want. They make them out of thin air. Yes. Here, Messi, you get the Youngstown penguins. There we go. Boom. Done. And you don't have to worry about the tax evasion charges that everybody gets in soccer every single year. No, actually, they should give him a team in Delaware. Boom. Tax evan, Messi, you get the Delaware fighting Deles. Yeah, the Delaware's. The Delaware's. Yeah. Deladova's. There you go. Nice. Nice. I like that. Yeah. Messi, I hope he does eventually come to the MLS. I'm sure that he will in like seven

years once he's totally washed up. Yeah. But they're saying he might go to Man City or Man U. And that was talking to him. That would be cool. I'm down for it. I need my guy and he might go to be with some winners. Yeah. Losers. If you don't think Messi's the goat, then you're a fucking idiot. Yes. Fucking idiot. I also have a Mike Greenberg's Dumb Rules. This just came across. Yeah. So this is per John Heyman said new MLB COVID rule players who test positive can apply to return to play in 10 days, even if they continue to test positive, but still need MLB joint committee. Okay. And they're very likely to be allowed back after 14 days, even with continuing positives. Reasoning contagiousness dissipates. So baseball,

I guess, is like 20 steps ahead of the rest of the world when it comes to this. I'm actually, you know what? I'm going to give baseball a little bit of credit on this one because for once they're doing something that doesn't involve just like slapping an extra DH on there and calling that how they're addressing. Yeah. Okay. So verbal meme. Good job. The tank of water is everything going to shit. And then the tape that's going, the flex seal that's going over it is more DHs. Rob Manfred's brain. Yeah. He's, he's got a lab coat on and he's figured out this COVID thing. He just fucking loves DHs. Yeah. UFC, by the way, we should at least talk about it. The I poke fight. Holy shit. And now everyone obviously saw Steve A's I poke with Cormier,

but Cormier had poked him in the eye earlier in the fight. Right. So it was a little like, hey, even all fair and love and war, we can just poke the fuck out of each other. But that thing was nuts. Dude, two to three knuckles deep. He found the G spot in Daniel Cormier's brain. That was a nasty look. And then even after the fight, Cormier was like, yeah, I still can't see on my left eye. Yeah. I ever again, that looked like that was like Billy and his frogs. Yeah. That's how hard he went in. He got, he got really deep in there. Yes. I think you left a ring behind. Hopefully Daniel Cormier doesn't die like Bertha. Would you rather get poked in the eye, be a frog who got fingered by Billy?

No. Or have somebody stomp on your foot in an MMA fight? I would say stopped on the foot. Yeah, probably. Yeah. Yeah. Poke the eye. You're just never right again. The nice part about getting fingered by Billy if you're a frog is at least you die afterwards. So you don't have to think about it too much. Yeah, that's true. I'm officially unemployable. That's that happened a long time ago, my friend. All right. Last up, let's do Billy's list. Oh, yeah. Take a look at the old packet here. Let's see the packets. A rod clear cut favorite to buy the Mets from the Alex Jones Times. Let's see. None of these are really Billy. Did you put anything about the fire tornado on here? Oh, fire tornado was wild. That is the murder of weather. Hey, dude, like 2020 is not bad

enough. Check that on your Pingo cards. Yeah, 2020. Is there anything about stool? That's another one that's getting the cheap. Like the Cormier steep a I poke steep a 2020 Daniel Cormier. All of us. It's those are free. That's free cloud online, folks. It's going to be point out the fact that 2020 sucks. It's going to be so sweet on January 1st when everything starts to kick ass again. Yeah. All right. Here's a good one. Let's finish with this. How strong are gorillas? I general strong gorillas are four to nine times stronger than the average male human being. According to Guinness Book of Records, a silverback gorilla can lift up to 1800 pounds of dead weight in comparison. A well-trained human being can lift a maximum of a 410

kilograms 900 pounds. This is a very rough calculation. There are many variables, etc. But it gives us a good general picture. How do we know that? Think about are there gyms in nature? Well, that'd be 100 pounds. Think about this. A gorilla is never trained in body building. That's true. How are lifting so ever got them on a cycle. So think about how much they could lift if they train. Yeah, it's fucked up that whenever we get an awesome gorilla in captivity, we just teach it sign language and give it a cat that's going to die eventually. Right. Instead of just putting it in a gym and being like, yo, get some games press, dude. Yeah, spot me. All right. That's a good way to end the show, Billy. You have we'll see everyone Wednesday. Who are

going to run on Wednesday? We got a lot of stuff. Yeah, we got a lot of we got a lot of people have to have a sidebar. Yes, we have a lot of people. But yes, maybe someone from the list, maybe someone from which list? Oh, yeah, maybe someone from the list, but actually never mind probably, but never mind probably can worry about it. The Vanny Woodhead is still the list. Yeah. Okay, got it. And also Wednesday, be ready because we're probably gonna do double soggy sorrows. Yep. PFT and I are going to all your dreams are coming true, folks. PFT and I are going to take a shower live together. Billy, hit the meme. Pressers. There you go. Love you guys. I'm mourning. That's it. Billy's sitting in Shiva right now. You think you think Jake's going to

beat me today? I honestly, I think you got a leg up on him. Oh, Billy's cheating after that one. Would you like to start by that dead frog? Your dog, your frog is fucking dead, dude. This is so fucked up. Imagine. Dead ass frog. Anyway. What a bitch. Any other, any thoughts, Billy? No, I'm like upset. Are you upset that your frog's dead or that we made fun of it? Now that the internet's going to be telling me that I fuck frogs. No, you don't fuck them, you just, you finger. Sucks. Anyway, love you guys. Not a day. He was in a bind and we were high and willing to make a deal. When it came across this young

man picking the guitar and playing it, the devil jumped up on the hickory stumps and boy, let me tell you why. Like if you didn't know it, but I'm a guitar player too. And if you care to take this dare, I'll make a bet with you. You're a pretty damn good drummer boy, but give the devil his two. I'll bet a guitar of gold against your soul, it says I'm better than you. But the boy said, my name's Johnny and it might be a sin, but I'll take your bet. You're gonna regret. I'm the best that's ever been. I pick across strings and it made an evil hiss. Then a band of demons all telling them it sounded just like this. All things that stay, every little I fall. You just play that word away.

You are things I've got to remember. In a child, love is coming to you very late. In a child, love is coming to you very late. Take on me. Take on me. Take on me. Take on me. Take on me. Take on me. Take on me. Take on me. Take on me. Take on me. Whatever I bring, whatever I do. Take on me. Take on me. Take on me. Take on me. Take on me. Take on me. Take on me. Take on me. Take It's part of my take presented by Barstool Sports.