Pardon My Take - Joey Chestnut Is Out Of The Hot Dog Competition, US Open With Caddie Michael Collins, NBA Finals With Kevin Love, Kristaps Hurt And Pardon Your Take

Episode Date: June 12, 2024

Emergency beginning of the show had to be retaped after we get news that Joey Chestnut is out of the 4th of July Hot Dog Eating Competition after taking money from a vegan hot dog brand and our whole world has been shattered (00:00:00-00:17:49). Kristaps is hurt and Hank had a rough day (00:17:49-00:28:39). Pug might be a coward (00:28:39-00:35:58). Danny Hurley is staying at Uconn and SCF Game 2 (00:35:58-00:56:38). Hot Seat/Cool Throne and Buster Olney has been hacked and Kevin Durant is back on twitter (00:56:38-01:19:31). Caddie Michael Collins joins us to talk about the US Open, hardest part about being a caddie, his crazy career jump from comedian to caddy to ESPN golf personality and more (01:19:31-01:52:21). We then are joined by recurring guest and good friend Kevin Love to talk about the NBA Finals, what does Kyrie need to do to find it, his top 5, and how sick it was playing on the Olympics (01:52:21-02:23:44). We finish with listener submitted Pardon Your Takes (02:23:44-02:42:02).You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/PardonMyTake

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That's code TAKE for new customers to get 150 in bonus bets when you bet just five bucks. Only on DraftKings. The crown is yours. Today is Wednesday, June 12th. And PFT. This is why we should never take vacations. I'm taking a three-day vacation with my family. We taped the show earlier today. And then I would say the biggest news that's ever happened in the history of this podcast taking place happened and Joey chestnut has been banned from the Nathan's hot dog say that on the news, I was like, ah, no, we're fine. America's still fine. Today was the first day where I was like, we might be in some trouble. We used to be a country, a proper country, where men could gather around on the 4th of July and eat 70 hot dogs and have the whole world rejoice. It was a positive force for America. I love the 4th of July. I love the hot dog eating contest I haven't missed it going back to the Kobayashi years when it became an event and now major league eating

I don't know which side to take here. Am I taking Joey's? I want to take Joey's side because I like Joey Chestnut and he is a goddamn American hero But major league eating is saying that he was doing a sponsorship deal with impossible meats Which yes, that's a little weird to begin with for Joey to be doing that sponsorship deal with Impossible Meats, which is a little weird to begin with for Joey to be doing that sponsorship, but they're paying him. I'm not going to judge him for taking the bag. And there was a sponsorship that conflicted with the Nathan's hot dog eating. Some people were saying he was going to try to eat vegan hot dogs. I know Joey just not pretty well. That's crazy. And I'm pretty I'm sure that Joey would not

want any sort of competitive imbalance that would go along with eating a vegan hot dog. So I saw that rumor going around. If Joey Chestnut tried to eat the vegan hot dogs on the 4th of July, I would 100% be on the side of major league eating. Don't ever let him eat another hot dog again in his life. I don't think that ever was on the table. I also, I don't know about impossible meats. Are they, are there bugs in the hot dogs? Because I will not eat the

bugs. So I want to make sure that I have all my facts right before I take a stand here. I will not eat the bugs. I don't know if there's bugs. I don't think that there's bugs in them. Okay, my knowledge. It's just it's fake meat. It's like soy. I will not eat the bugs. Here's the thing. One, Joey Chestnut not being there means that like 4th of July is basically canceled. Now, people who are arguing he should never do an Impossible Meats brand sponsorship, I understand. I felt a little betrayed as well. But at the end of the day, Joey Chestnut is like at the top of the list of guys that I root for to be really rich

because he's a legend. He's an American hero. He's one of the greatest athletes I've ever seen in my entire life. I think my lucky stars that I was put on this earth at the same time as Joey Chestnut, Joey Chestnut is not rich as far as I can tell because the dude is still like going to connect to the New York in the middle of May to down a hundred oysters for five grand. Like I'm pretty sure that he just needs the sponsorships he gets. So I'm hoping it's like a live situation where Joey Chestnut is just getting the bag from Impossible Meats and I tip my cap to them because I'll never ever pocket watch

or judge someone who's going to get their money. I'm just really sad overall. Overall, the whole situation has saddened me and shook me way more than I thought it would. I was thinking about this from the moment it was announced, because then I got on my flight until we were able to talk about it here. It's been just rattling my whole... My wife was like, what's wrong? I was just like, I don't want to talk about it here, it's been just rattling my whole, like, my wife was like, what's wrong? I was just like, I don't want to talk about it right now. Joey Chestnut's not going to compete in the 4th of July. I was, I was that upset. Yeah, I'm fine with Joey getting paid, get paid by any means necessary. I can't, I can't

imagine that the, uh, the career span of a competitive eater goes into your like fifties and sixties. I feel like it's a young man's game. So get the bag when you can. He's, he's also the best to ever do something that everybody that has ever lived does. Yes. We've all eaten every person here. Everybody eats. Joey Chestnut is the best person, the best eater of all time in the history of the world. He needs to be rich for that fact. So yes, get the bag. I don't know if it's a live situation. There are some similarities there like Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, and PETA handshake, don't eat pork. I get that. But I don't think

that there is a I don't think that there's like a competitive league that's forming that's trying to draw players away. I think if anything, and our friend TJ pointed this out, TJ Hitchens, he might be putting us all over. This might be a work. That's why I want to talk to Joey about it, because Impossible Meats does some sort of co-branding with Nathan's. So there's already a business relationship there. I don't know if this is him turning heel, and then he's going to come back like stone cold. I don't know what's going to happen. But I do know that my 4th of July is going to be significantly worse.

And I know people want to take, Hank, I'll get to you in a sec. I know people want to take stands and I understand that. And I get it because my initial reaction was like, how could they ban him? And then when I realized it was impossible burgers and there could potentially be bugs at stake here. That's not American. Like eating bug burgers, eating bug dogs on on 4th of July is not American, which I'm upset that Joey took that type of money. But at the end of the day, I think this whole story just bummed me out more than anything. It's like one of those ones where I'm just sad about how everything why can't we get to the table and figure out why can't America and Joey Chestnut shake hands on July 4th like

we this is putting the world to pick a side between Joey Chestnut in the country. We love it's impossible. No pun intended. Well, because Joey is a very unique creation of the country that we love. Joey Chetna would not exist in any other country, but because of the good old USA and the Stars and Stripes, we have the best person to ever eat food that lives within our borders. And we all get to watch them and root for them on TV. And it is it's actually sad because this is an example of human greatness that we're all going to miss out on the 4th of July because of some sort of business dispute. And so we're really the, we're the losers there.

And I'm hoping we can get Joey on the show at some point in the next week or so. I would love to maybe figure out a way to see how many Barstool employees Joey thinks he could challenge on the 4th of July. It's pretty fun. Well or Kobayashi, but like Joey, what's the number of people you think that you could beat on the 4th of July? And he just took on like 15 of us. Kobayashi did retire from eating. He did. But you can always there's if we've learned anything, everyone's got a price. What? I mean, we can cut it, Big Cat. We were talking to them last year.

Like we had them doing their return match. I know, but Kobayashi retired since then. Oh, he retired again? I think he retired again. We were talking about, we were gonna do a rough and rowdy Joey Chestnut Kobayashi mashup, where it would be like in between fight 10 and 11, they come out and eat a shitload of dogs

and then we go right back to fighting. It would have been incredible. We can talk about that. We discussed that with Joey when he was on the podcast. Yeah. Yeah, no, then there was serious, there was serious negotiations. There were like, I was in talks for months.

Then it went nowhere, but it was like, it was happening. Yeah, I'm just sad. I also I love whenever a story like this happens where like from the outside people be like, are you guys really leading the podcast with hot dog eating like losers? No, we're not losers and I'll I'll show you how serious this is in the press release for Major League Eating. Major League Eating said in a statement, for nearly two decades, we have worked under the same basic hot dog exclusivity provisions. I love that there were

hot dog exclusivity provisions. I didn't know that. Yeah. And then Joey issued a statement four hours ago. Joey, Joey posted this online. I was gutted to learn from the media that after 19 years, I'm banned from the Nathan's July 4th hot dog eating contest. I love competing that event. I love celebrating America with my fans all over this great country on the fourth. I've been training to defend my title. First of all, kind of a rat move that he learned about this from the media. He found out the same way we all found out. He goes on he he says, to set the record straight, I do not have a contract with MLE or Nathan's and they're looking to making and it will deprive the great fans of the holidays usual joy and entertainment. To my fans, I love you and I appreciate you. Rest assured that you'll see me eat again soon.

Stay hungry. It's I feel like John Madden died all over again. That's how I feel right now. Yeah, it's a turducken of sadness. I'm grieving. I actually have had a... I don't know what to say. I just... you can't have this... you can't have 4th of July without Joey Chestnut. So we'll try our best to figure out a way to get Joey Chestnut into the 4th of July, whether it's through Nathan's or not, but I don't know how we can't... I guess this is like... now I understand why countries go to war. Like, how we can't, I guess this is like, now I understand why countries go

to war. Like how can you not, we're, we're sitting back and being like, how can majorly eating and Joey chest on not sit down and figure this whole thing out? Yeah, they should be vegan dogs. What is, what is the core issue here? Are they afraid that Joey's going to show up wearing an impossible hot dogs hat? No, I think he just, I think they, they said that it would be like if, was like, oh now I'm wearing Adidas, but I don't know. It's not, he was going to compete in Nathan's. He wasn't going to talk about Impossible burgers. He was just doing that on the outside, outside of the 4th of July, which I think he should be allowed to do. I think he should be allowed

to get, I wish he didn't do the bug dogs, but I think he should be allowed to get his money. I think there's soy boys. I don't think that there's any insects in those dogs. Okay, well, I'm not going to eat the bugs. I just want that very clear. How rich do you think Joey Chestnut should be? What? How rich do you think Joey Chestnut should be in your estimate? Like, if we're up to you. Billionaire. Okay. I'm being honest. Joey Chestnut. Okay. I'm being honest. Joey Chestnut.

What is Joey Chestnut? What does Jeff Bezos do better than Joey Chestnut? Not a lot. What does Elon Musk do better than Joey Chestnut? I want Joey Chestnut to be so rich that he can do whatever he wants and then every every 4th of July, he just comes in in his helicopter, maybe even in like an inspector gadget suit, just fucking swoops in, eats his 74 hot dogs, wows the crowd and then swoops out. And he just goes back to his awesome life. That's what he deserves. The amount that he trains is crazy too. Like he is he is literally an athlete. He is as

good at his sport as anybody has ever been at their sport. He is Yeah, he's Jesse Owens, Michael Jordan. Show Hey, Tony, Secretary minus steroids, Secretary, it's heart. Yeah, all rolled into one. That's what Joey is. How rich do you think he should be Hank? No, I was just curious. You brought that up a couple times. But he's one event a year. I don't know how like it's not going to be a year, but it, but it, but it, but

that my point is like year he should, he has one event a year. He should be able to go get his money outside of that. Cause the other, the oyster eating competition isn't paying. He goes and eats like, you know, you see him and he's in Bakersfield, California, eating cake flavored tampons for seven grand. It's like the guy deserves more than that. He deserves more. Hank, by the way, I thought you had a flight tonight. Why are you at home?

I did have a flight tonight. Why are you at home? I did have a flight tonight But I am I'm back in Chicago and I'm feeling it What happened nice nice drop there? What happened? I was gonna save it for fire fest because it it it just you know, they talk about golf like don't compound mistakes You know don't let one bad shot become two bad shots, etc, etc compound mistakes, you know, don't let one bad shot become two bad shots, et cetera, et cetera. My real life version of that was at the end of my last trip, which was a couple of months ago, my suitcase, I realized broke, like when I put it down the handle, and I couldn't pull it up, and I had to fucking like push my suitcase, like basically lean down and push it and roll it in the airport all the way to my

car, which was a brutal experience. Oh, I completely forgot about it. And then today I packed up my suitcase. I'm waiting for my elevator. I go to pull up the handle. It's broken. And I started like jamming the suitcase trying to open it. I put my backpack down,

really fucking got in there and started jamming it. Finally opened it, get on the elevator, get in the Uber, sit in the Uber for like an hour and 10 minutes because of traffic. Get out gives me my suitcase. I walk inside. I'm like, Oh shit. Realize I forgot my backpack. Run out. Like hope I can catch my Uber, catch them. I'm like, Oh, I left my backpack. He's like, no, you didn't. I'm like, oh shit realize I forgot my backpack run out like hope I can catch my uber catch them I'm like, yeah, I left my backpack. He's like no you didn't I was like I just opened the back Not in there not in the bag Left it at my house and it had it had all this shit

I needed like I was debating whether or not I could Just not have anything my backpack, but it had my laptop my mic bunch of the, a bunch of shirts I needed like it had a bunch of stuff that I needed so then I had to marijuana turner. No, no marijuana. Don't travel. Your gun. My gun. Your full tool set that you tried to bring. It was more my laptop and my. Wait, wait, this is so much worse than I thought. You had your backpack on and you put it down? Because my suitcase was broken. Did walk down without your backpack. Yeah, because I was like, I was doing it as my elevator was coming up. So like, I finally opened it as my elevator got up and I just like, I just got right on.

like, I finally opened it as my elevator got up. And I just like, I just got right on. And then it was an hour and a half to get back. So I just went to Rosemont, Illinois, got my haircut and about some old woman did it in like 10 minutes. It is depressing subway stuff. You did compound a mistake with a mistake. Well, I was like, I'm not gonna sit in traffic. I just sat in traffic for an hour and a half. I don't want to sit in traffic for two hours now. Like I need to just like, I need to go eat and and I needed to get a haircut, which I was like, I'm not gonna sit and try. I just sat for an hour and a half. I don't want to sit and travel for two hours now. Like I need to just like I need to go eat and and I needed to get a haircut, which I was gonna do tomorrow, which then I obviously don't have time to do tomorrow. So I was like, I need to get a haircut somewhere. And I just found the closest place. So yeah, I'm home. And I missed it off all. Are you flying out tomorrow? I'm flying out first thing in the morning. Oh my God.

Set your alarm. Well, Hank, so you also had, so that's bad news. Also, you had bad news with Celtics, which I don't, should we have you read the injury? And then do you want an apology from Max? What do you want an apology for Max? What do you want? Max famously on Sunday night said, oh, Chris stops his hurt again. Let's go. Um, context. I spent the whole Uber up there when I thought I had my backpack. I'm thinking

I'm just getting on the flight. I'm like, we're cursed. We're cursed. We're cursed. We're cursed. Like, is there a chance we're cursed? This is bad. I've never spent there is nothing like being a sports fan and going across the various sports Twitter doctors and kind of choosing the one that you like. That sounds the best because there was conflicting reports all over the place with like, oh, this is bad. He might never play again. Oh, you know, they can tape it up and he

can be fine. I don't know what to believe he's listed as questionable for game three. And it's like, I think Max curses. Wait, so what read the read the injury report, Hank? This is trying to make me sound dumb. No, I just want you to read the injury report. And I want Max to apologize to you. So are you getting Shams too. So who knows? Celtics Chris Stabs pushing has suffered a torn medial Retinaculum allowing dislocation of the posterior Tobias tendon

Mm-hmm. That's pretty good. Yeah, I Read this. I don't know if he has a Sprained ankle or he's never gonna walk again All right, so I got a report been like 12 people in the last 150 years to get this injury. Yeah, it's not good It's not good when the Twitter doctors are putting like parentheses very rare on the injury report And when there's your body that you didn't even know existed, not usually good. Our friend Sam Decker said, I didn't even know you could tear the whatever. Say it again, Hank. Torn medial retinaculum. Yeah. He said, I didn't even know you could tear that retinaculum. So I reached out directly to pro football doc because I wanted to get the report to pass the the that's a good that's good. Curt Schilling won World Series that year. Yeah, and he won the

game. I have a doctor shout out doctor Dan who told me that the closest thing that he could find that is a little more common was when Von Miller dislocated his peroneal tendons on the other side of your ankle in training camp in 2020. You missed the entire season. But that's how rare it is. He overplayed the rest of the game though. That's how rare it is that he was like the closest thing you could comp is someone in football tearing the other side of their ankle, which is kind of similar but not really similar because no one ever has done this. So what do you think Hank?

I literally don't know what to think. They already did the injury report for tomorrow. He's listed as questionable. My gut tells me he's not going to play tomorrow and then maybe depending what happens tomorrow like I don't know. It seems he said after game two that he would die on the floor and the only basically the only way he's not going to play is if the Celtics medical staff literally refused to allow it. I tried to get some intel on like if our medical staff are dogs or not. How seriously do you take that Hippocratic oath?

Well, yeah, like, are like, are like, are they dogs? Are they just gonna be like, let's fucking go win a championship? Or they're gonna just like, you know, the book says sit. He looked like he couldn't move after he heard it. I know. But we watched it. And we're like, this looks weird. He's not moving well. And it's such a rare injury I don't know if there's a book on this injury That's what I'm saying. Like it's it would be such a rare blackjack and that there's no book on it

But he's walking around fine. He's moving doesn't have a brace on like tape exists They got shit for that like I thought you know, it's scary. I don't want to say That I want him to risk never being able to play again. Good thing you didn't say that but he said he would die on the floor and if he wants to play he should be allowed to make that decision as an adult. I think you guys can win this series without him. I do too, but like I don't like even I just don't I don't

like it. The poor Zingas you guys have won 76% of your games without poor Zing is you've won 86% no other way around you think right? Yeah, no. With Persing is 76 they've won 76% of their games with Christopps poor Zing is they've won 86% of their games without the thing is is that true? Yeah. You looking at the stat? I'm looking at the stat.

That's the regular season and the playoffs this year. So there you go. You're fine. And Curt Schilling. And Curt Schilling. I think you're fine. Max, how's it going online for you? Because you wish this into existence.

I did not wish this into existence you celebrated it. I did not sell I did not celebrate the injury I celebrated the circumstance of The situation and why'd you go run up a fucking tree like a cat I? Was scared and I was hiding because I didn't want to speak with you Henry and I was hiding because I didn't want to speak with you Henry. That's why I tried to climb up on the roof is because I was afraid, okay? I climbed up the ladder and then I realized... You climbed up three steps of a ladder and then started crying because it was too high. I was scared of ladders, okay?

That's where you went. Wait, what did you say? You celebrated this... what did you say? You're you're the you celebrated this what was that circumstance? Not the injury. Uh the circumstance of this situation. The circumstance of me forgetting to update the hurt or injured board

and it became irrelevant again when it was when it would have been irrelevant. Got it. But I didn't actually want him to get hurt. I just, I was like, oh, that's a discussion. Cause at the end of the game, you know, and really thought he was that hurt factor fiction. I thought Henry, Henry factor fiction fiction. If he like went down and like tore his foot into two, I wouldn't have said that, but it was like, oh yeah, he got a little ding dub. That's, that's all again, or he was injured quite literally.

That's what you thought. Yeah, correct. We didn't know which. He celebrated the circumstance of the situation. I want to put him in jail for that. Yeah. Put him in jail for that. I think Max kind of I kind of agree with him.

I don't think that he celebrated the injury. I think he celebrated the hurt. But the question is, deep down, he celebrated the injury. No, Max just shook his head. Max agreed. He said, yeah, he celebrated the hurt and it turned into an injury. And then that explains Max's running away in shame trying to climb up a tree to get away from Hank is because he knew deep down that he might have had something to do with it. The optics are bad. The optics are bad. I'm willing to agree to that. The optics were you stuck in a tunnel on a ladder being like, help.

I'm willing to agree. I knew that it was going to look that way. But deep down that I know in my head that I was not truly celebrating his injury, I was celebrating the circumstance. You're talking about Sunday night, but now you also know deep down in your head that you're happy that he's injured. That's where like you and Rohn piss me off because you're

both scumbags and you know you're scumbags and we know you're scumbags. But when push comes to shove, you're like, no, no, no, it's great. Well, let's see what happens in game three. Okay. How's it? How's it online for you right now max? I don't give a shit I mean Celtics fans are always gonna be up my ass. I mean, it's Boston Boston's a fucking trash-ass town trash-ass people and Can't fucking make flights and get shitty haircuts

I take the haircut back. It actually, you know, Hank is thinking about it because he keeps looking and doing the move where he's just like, you can tell if you're watching this right now, Hank has checked himself out about 17 times. I mean, it's a big day tomorrow and I had to go to a fucking 50 year old woman giving me a fade and I Did it did you get did you get your hair cut to impress Tom? duh, what? duh so wait Talk talk to me about your decision making about where you got your haircut

You just picked a random stop and got off and then looked for a woman to cut your hair well Also my phone was dying. You're about to be 31. I wasn't trying to compound a mistake with another mistake. You're going to be 31 tomorrow. Tomorrow. Tomorrow.

Tomorrow. Tomorrow. Eve. Yeah. No, it all worked out. It's all good. But yeah, I just googled haircuts nearby and I went to one that was close and it was a 50 year old woman. She cut my hair in 20 minutes

so my phone charged like 5%. I think it's all right. Yeah, it's fine. All right. Last thing. So wait, Hank, are you you think Chris stops I'm not going to do it. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. I'm

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going to do it. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. I may have already got me because I could have broken part of my hand and so Why would it be karma if you were just celebrating the circumstance of the situation well the optics the the optics of the karma We put so wouldn't then the optics wouldn't the karma?

retribution just be like Superficial injury not an actual injury. Well, it could be like it hurts right now, but it might not like a superficial injury, not an actual injury? Well, it could be like it hurts right now, but it might not be a real injury. Okay. So I think that if it's not a real injury, look, yeah, then you actually are innocent. But if it's a real injury, then you're guilty. That's I'm willing to accept that. Okay, that I'd one last thing for us. I teased it to you guys on the text chain. Our guy pug. Our guy pug beast. Um, is he though? I think so beast. He might be a pussy. This is my text exchange with pug earlier today. I was laughing so hard. Pug texted me. So for context,

I have season tickets to the Cubs who suck. Blew another game tonight. They're fucking trash right now. Pug texted me at 240 today. He said, Hey, do you know of anywhere employees can get discounts on Cubs tickets? Oh no. I was trying to hit a game this weekend and I replied to the text that he asked and I said, I'm pretty sure game, I know Game Time has a code. We talk about the ad all the time.

Game Time has great last minute deals, zone deals, flash deals, get them all. And I said, you could also ask memes or Hank because game time, our wonderful sponsor gives us a lot of the amount of tickets every month. I said, maybe I will get free tickets with game time. And he said, we'll do appreciate it. This is a 240. End of conversation. 511pm. He texts me my bad. I'm a giant pussy are your tickets available this weekend? There's more to this story that you don't know about. What? What? What? Bugg has been asking us about your tickets all week and I have told him so many times Just ask he has told us that if he's not he's going on vacation

He's not going to be here all you have to do is ask him if the tickets are available And he's like yeah, but like I don't know like I don't want to like make it look like I like that I need that I need tickets like that's a bad look. I'm like dude He literally tells us yes, if you want to go to the game. And he was like, well, I thought if I asked him this way, that maybe he would have just like on his own, just given me the tickets. So that's when he showed me what he sent to you and memes looks at him and goes, type this word for word, say I'm a pussy, are your tickets available this weekend? Pug writes it out. He writes it out. He then gives me the phone and then goes you have to click send Also not to mention he has two friends coming this weekend and you gave him two tickets and he's like

He's like, I don't really know what to do with the ticket Because I said him to you pug. Did you get him? Yes, I say the salary ticket So now what are you gonna do you have I say you I have two tickets. Wait, so now you can't, because I sent them to you, Pug. Did you get them? Yes, I did. They sent you the Saturday tickets, so now what are you going to do? I sent you two tickets. He's like, I'll figure it out. I'll figure it out. I'll figure it out. I'm very appreciative of the tickets.

How many tickets did you think I had, Pug? I don't know. I was just trying to put feelers out. You were just trying to collect as many tickets as you can get? No, no. The initial text was like, I was just hoping deep down you would say, oh, I have tickets. Yeah.

You know what? I have three. Here you go. Wait, but Pug, this is crazy because I'm happy to give you tickets. Like Max says, I tell you guys all the time, just ask, there's days that I am using them, or my friend who I colon with is using them.

But Pug, you now have two tickets that are like good tickets and you have three people. What are you going to do? Are you going to sell my tickets and then? No, no, no, I would never do that. I could get another ticket in that section and just try to be expensive. Yeah. expensive, Pug. Yeah. Or this is now a thing we can probably do a game time thing. Yeah, we can do a game time thing. Pug, I'm going to give you right now, I'm going to tell you right now, you are free and clear to sell my tickets to buy three more tickets. Now I feel bad again. No, you don't feel, I'm telling you, you're free and clear to do it if you would like to do that or I'll just, you don't. I'm telling you, you're free and clear to do it. If you would like to do that, or I'll just

buy you three tickets or just buy so yeah, sell the three tickets. What are you afraid of? Why? Why were you scared? I felt like it would be very like, I thought it'd be rude just be like, Hey, you got tickets. Can I have them? Like I just felt like that was I actually can understand that. I can understand that it probably would have been better if you to Yeah, if you're just seeing me... Yeah, if you'd seen me this morning and you were just like, hey, I got some buddies in town. Because then that actually would have been an easier conversation.

You're like, I have buddies in town. I'd be like, how many? You'd be like, two. I'd be like, well, I only have two tickets. I think that was the plan and I just... the timeline never lined up. I probably could have done a bit of that. It was all week. It was all week. He was terrified to have the conversation. He was never lined up. I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like,

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like a random like intern going through the office being like hey big cat can I have your Cubs tickets you see him like every single day and you work directly for it we plug we I mean we now have to figure out this ticket situation because you have two tickets and three people and they're in a nice section. So it's like you can't I'll buy you another seat. It's also Cubs Cardinals like there is I'm appreciative of Saturday Cubs Cardinals game is a very expensive ticket. I'm a pussy. I love you.

You guys believe this? No, I believe it. But I everyone here is asked for tickets except pug. It's been like, Hey, can I use the tickets? I'm like, yeah, no problem. Yeah, it's a learning lesson. Next time. I'm just going direct direct to you and just next time I want you to come up to me and say hey fuckface give me your tickets I'll respect that will do also this whole this whole show well you guys are doing the rest of the show and we were on mute probably just look over me he's like this is gonna be bad this oh it's not bad it's just funny yeah to get a text from him being like hey I'm a pussy I actually was wondering if I could have your ticket Yeah, I over thought it

I need you to I need you to just be brutally honest from now on because I feel like you're holding back on us All right, that's fine. What is holding back on us? He's just a fucking monster. Yeah, he's just real asshole. This could be his his jokerfication. Yeah, he just starts shoving us around. Just being like, listen, assholes. I'm pug. Get the fuck out of my way. Fuck you guys actually. Yeah, there you go. Pug. All right, Pug, I'm gonna buy you another seat. Game time. Shout out game time. We're gonna buy you a seat and we'll get we'll get all three boys in there. Sorry. Okay, I think I let's let's kick it to ourselves. We got Dan Hurley talk. We got Michael Collins. We got Kevin love. We

got pardon your take contentious pardon your take. So let's kick it back to ourselves in studio. Today is Wednesday, June 12th, and Dan Hurley is staying in Storrs, Connecticut. All is right with the world. Great job by Dan Hurley getting paid so much money. Yes. They're upping his contract right now. It's a smart move on his part not signing a contract after Kentucky. Yep. Waiting. So they're retooling he turned down the offer from from Los Angeles. I don't know if he ever really wanted the job. I feel like he might have just played this perfectly, used the job to get more money to stay at home. Dan Hurley might be, so back to back national titles, obviously the new face of college basketball coaching and then to turn down Kentucky and the Lakers in the same three months span. That's on, that's a historic run. It's great. He's, that's a

historic run to turn down those two entities in that amount of time for that much money. He's just flexing on everyone and it might just simply be that his wife does not want to leave the Northeast. Yeah, she's a ride or die. She's like, Los Angeles, Dan, you know you can't even get a good cup of piss out there. Yeah. You're not going to be able to find your drinks. You're not going to have fun. The weather's going to be too nice. His vibe is just Northeast, bad weather, a little bit pissed off all the time. I would not like to see him in LA. I think he fits in Connecticut. Sometimes the grass isn't always greener. And now LeBron back to the drawing board. I would not like to see him in LA. I think he fits in Connecticut. Sometimes the grass isn't always greener. And now LeBron back to the drawing board.

I would say it's a bad look for podcasters. Getting turned down by Dan Hurley, your guy that you wanted. LeBron does kind of get, like, the Lakers get embarrassed here a little bit. This is, Coach K did it 20 years ago, but you don't turn down the Lakers. Are the Lakers in trouble? The Lakers might be in trouble. Oh, they're getting Brawny. I also always say it's actually the headliner.

Yeah, but Brawny's not going to be able to be developed. Yeah. I think JJ Raddick's going to be able to develop Brawny. Someone needs to develop this boy. They need to get him, they need to get their hands on him and figure out how to develop him. They need to hire a special coach just for Brawny. Just for development.

Tom Kreen. Coach K. Yeah. Already in the building. Tom Kreen did a great job. Anthony Edwards. Yeah. Just get him. Just have him hang out. Yeah. Um, it's, it's actually the headline right now on ESPN. It says Lakers are embarrassed now, but they can, they recover after Hurley's rejection and it just bears repeating, but Rob Palenka just is Rob Lowe. Every single time I see a picture. Yeah, let's Rob Lowe Just like I don't understand and they aren't the same guy They have the show about the Clippers like they got to do it. They did the you know, the Showtime Lakers They have to be doing something with Rob Lowe as polinka. That's what would they do just punked fab five

He was on the fab five team, but he was yeah, but he wasn't around for Kobe and Shaq. Yeah, actually the bubble, you know, it would, it would rock boring series ever. He had the bubble series that'd be that'd be trash. Even any movie that comes out that even mentions COVID. I'm like, no, don't want to see it. Don't want to relive that in my brain. Yeah, it'd be very funny if they did an episode of punked and it was Rob Lowe playing Rob Polenka and he's interviewing

JJ Reddick being like, Hey, you want the Lakers job? And then JJ is like, yes. And Rob Lowe is like, you've been punked. I like that. I'm not actually the guy. Yeah. And we gotcha. We gotcha.

We gotcha. But also you're going to get hired because we don't have any other options. Yeah. But still, yeah, this was our idea for punked, but now it turns out that nobody else can coach this team. It's a big day for, uh, they're supposed to be the Lakers guys. Right. You're supposed to be the Lakers. Right. You're supposed to get any coach you want, any free agent you want. Yes. Yeah. You should be able to just essentially, I mean, it's the Lakers and the Yankees. Yeah. Every, every

player, coach, successful person is just a future Laker or Yankee. They don't know it yet. If they will, if, If the Lakers or Yankees decide it, then it is done. You will be mine one day. Yeah, right. You don't have a say in it. It's not non-consensual. And now Dan Hurley has bucked the trend and he's having a hell of a run. And did you see also, he is getting free wings for life from J. Timothy's Tavern somewhere in Connecticut. They offered free wings for life if he stays.

That's great. That's a great deal. That's you don't even need to do the contract anymore. It would be funny if you just stopped coaching and just got fat and just ate free wings every single day. This is that's my job. Yeah. If anybody offers me free wings for life, I might just quit. I might retire. You don't have to worry about buying food anymore. Yeah. Major expense. Free wings for life. Yeah. That's the best retirement plan. So I'm happy for college basketball though. This is good for

college basketball. This is good for having like this, the hard nosed old school throwback coach. One person in this room though, it really sucks for. And that would be our guy Maxwell. Well, he's not in this room. Yeah, I guess he's not in this room I knew he wasn't leaving you knew it. I know I never got my hopes up for him to leave once Yeah, it even when he took even I was on the golf course yesterday, and I was told that and I was like yep That's fine. I knew that was I knew he was saying there was no chance that he was we were golfing yesterday Yep, and a workday. Yep, Billy killed still believe it by the way for work You either die a max or you live long enough to become a Hank. Yeah. Yeah, I mean you've now become a Hank Yep. On a work day? Yep. Billy still can't believe it by the way. For work.

You either die a max or you live long enough to become a Hank. Yeah. Yeah, I mean. You've now become a Hank. I'm Hank. Do you have a good day? Great day, great Monday. I had a question too.

So I agree with you that you never fully believed it. You were kind of consistent with that. You're like, he's going to stay. This is, I don't want to get my hopes up. I did see though when it all went down yesterday, Alex Caravan, who's going to the NBA, tweeted about Dan Hurley coming back to the Yukon. Why would he care? He's in the NBA, Max. Yeah, he came back.

What? No, you told me he was going to the NBA. He was going to the NBA. No, you told us. And then he came back. You actually sent us the tweet that's saying he was testing the waters for the NBA and you said Max was right, looking for credit. Max was wrong.

There you go. Oh, wow. And I said, while maintaining his college eligibility, and you said, no, he's gone, you can't write a letter like he wrote and come back. But he's back. Whatever. So, I guess congrats to UConn on winning another championship. Probably.

Waltzing through the Big East. It is. I mean, to go three in a row would be, hasn't been done since John Wooden. Yeah, but it'll never be done again. It'd be incredible, especially in this era. Yeah. OK, so yeah, you guys, that sucks for you, Max,

even though you never got your hopes up. It also sucks for Billy. We can't really trust him as a reporter anymore Well, I'm not I'm not ready to write Billy's report off just yet Okay, because Billy told us that well, he told the world that Dan Hurley was gonna go to the Lakers He confirmed that by getting shushed by Dan Hurley's son Yeah, and then when the report came out that he was staying Big cat you hit up Billy pretty much right away and just asked him, hey, what's going on with this report, Billy? We thought that we could trust you

on this one. And Billy said, I need to talk to Andrew. I need to make sure that this is actually official, official. It could still happen. So we don't know. We don't know if Dan Hurley's staying at UConn per Billy. Billy has to talk to Andrew and see if he gets shushed again. Yeah. Yeah. So he said He said I don't believe it. The son was nodding his head while shushing They were having mimosas. Yeah said if you drink a mimosa at 10 a.m That's the man who doesn't have a hard decision to make Billy also sent right, but wouldn't that? He staying in Yukon was That also true like you know what it sounds

Yeah Staying in Yukon was not hard to get also true like you know what it sounds Yeah, mimosas can be a like a great time or like the worst time ever you need a mimosa Yeah, there's no true someone drinking mimosa could be in any state of mind I think it's pretty obvious what happened Dan Hurley drinking a mimosa probably the morning of his interview He just got a great vacation with his family. Yes, Angeles, and he was like oh fuck it I'm gonna I'm gonna hit the bottomless mimosa bar before this interview with the Lakers I don't give a shit if they offer me the job. Let's have a good time. Yeah and paid more regardless Yeah, so he said champagne and orange juice champagne orange juice. Yeah, not a mimosa guy screwdriver Screwdriver overall the Bloody Mary. I saw that shit. Let me put you on some game big cat

Yeah, do a screwdriver with some champagne in it. No, I don't like champagne. That's the whole reason I don't like mimosas. The carbonation. Yeah. The bubbles are good. I don't like champagne. But a little taste.

You know what's good? No, I'm telling you, I do not like champagne. Not a little taste. OK. Watermelon mimosas are pretty good, too. Oh, that sounds good. Yeah, so how do you yell a watermelon? What about a watermelon screwdriver? Yeah, you can doy. OK. Watermelon mimosas are pretty good, too. Oh, that sounds good. Yeah, so how about a yellow watermelon? What about a watermelon screwdriver?

Yeah, you can do that. OK. And then add some champagne, too. No, I don't like the champagne. You know there's yellow watermelons, PFT? Yes. Yellow watermelons? Not for me.

We had that on the golf course yesterday. Not for me. It was a little weird. Hank also, when we got there, because we were doing, for Paws, Chicago, we were doing their golf outing. I wasn't golfing because I had to work, but I went for the first hour or so. And we represented in Europe. Hank showed up an hour late.

Shut up. And then was like, where the hell's the food? And it looked like he was the pied piper. There was about 10 of us following him around the entire private club while he was looking for the food He's like where the food you got burgers You got hot is yelling at random people and then he found it two times at 1130 big cat We told everyone to get no whoa I did not I did not I did not say anything I I followed the right of a 930 we had two and a half hours. I followed directions. Did you get food?

Yeah, we had lunch we played we hit the range for an hour like we had all the time In the world great spread, but you got food got food. Okay. That's we were the first ones to eat The first on the rain we should tell people just in case there there might be some people listening like hey Maybe this shows a little bit different right now You might notice a change in our voice or it takes it is 941 yeah on Tuesday morning, which is early Hank does your brain work this early? Are you fully awake yet? No, I already worked out this morning. Oh shit. Did you eat? I haven't ate. Oh god. You gotta eat. I know it's taco Tuesday down the street. Damn. Yeah, I'm going on I'm going on a mini three day vacation. So we'll zoom

zoom show on Thursday, although we've already done the interview. Appreciate the boys letting me do a zoom show. It's you know what it was, I was trying to remember why I'm going away today. And then it dawned on me that it's because my kids are out of school, but their camp hasn't started yet. My wife was like, we're doing something. I'm not dealing with this while you go to work. I was like, that's fair. Yeah, completely fair. Yeah, you forget the kids get out of school. And that's like the worst time for parents. When you're a kid, summer vacation was the best. They just flex. They're just like, I only got out of school today. What would happen if you just let them stay at home? Like, okay, don't break anything.

By themselves? Yeah. Very big problem. If you came home, like three hours, let them at home for three hours. I mean, they probably would just be crying at the door being like we got scared. Where'd you go? Yeah I did you gotta learn some top five and a three-year-old would they play well together? But we like it's just pre fighting when they're playing well together. It's pre fight. Yeah, it's the pre fight dance It always leads to a fight. Yeah, so but wait, what were you talking about with the Billy? Oh Billy? Yeah, so Billy's report saw him drinking mimosas with the Billy? Oh Billy, yeah. So Billy's report. So I'm drinking mimosas. To me, that screams guy that's on free vacation. Yep. Doesn't care about interview. Yeah. He basically, I'm going to take the, I'm going to take the

visit so I can get the steak. Yeah. And get to see the facilities. We all like being mimosas and dined. Correct. Everybody likes that. Billy said to Big Cat's question, so we think maybe still Lakers. Billy said, yeah, to be honest, I know what I saw. I think him staying is BS or they were straight up clowning me. So Billy's essentially saying I don't agree. I hear that you're staying at UConn. I don't agree with you. Yes, I don't agree that that Dan Hurley is staying at UConn. Even though the reports out there, it could happen. I'm just saying it hasn't been confirmed yet by Billy. I don't agree that that Dan Hurley is staying at Yukon even though the reports out there it could happen I'm just saying it hasn't been confirmed yet by Billy. I don't agree with your decision. Yeah, my interpretation is correct. Yeah. Yeah Yeah, Billy got sure you mimosa turns out you must be going turns out getting shushed shushed is not confirmation of your report

Also, God, we didn't report it cuz he told us not to yeah Yeah, turns out a Saturday morning with your family in Venice Beach. You're probably gonna be drinking or Santa Monica You're probably gonna be having a most that's like one of the top mimosas spots in the world It's wonderful for mimosas and we don't know Billy might have been having mimosas to he probably had a lot of yeah Yeah Yeah, so that was that was a big news story. Then we obviously had the Panthers up two nothing on the Oilers. We have, the Panthers are just a hockey machine. Their defense is so good. Just strangles the Oilers to death. They played like great, great team defense and now the Oilers are in a must,

I think they're a must win game three, can't lose game four. I think they're all must-win game three can't lose game four. I think I think they're all must-wins. Okay I I think that the Panthers they have so many ways to beat you that it got a little chippy Which I think could be good for the for the oiler Oh, I think it was desperate by the way was like we're gonna play your level your your style and the Panthers like, okay Fine, go ahead play our style. We'll still beat you the The nut shot at the end was yeah that that was desperation right there That was frustration, but it got a little chippy. There were some elbows to jaws The leg hit on loose Torenen. Yeah, and I was that was bad. That was pretty dirty

Probably deserving so I saw some people saying like the league's getting soft for giving gay misconduct for that to me even as a casual I was like, yeah, you can't do that in hockey game. Yeah. Try to take his knee out. Uh, the Panthers, they, they are a wagon. Uh, I feel like they are, the Oilers are going to win game three at home though. They need the tits. They need the tits. They need the tits. Cause cause the Panthers have the little kid, the little kid behind the glass flexing, brave baby gr's cousin. Is that really baby Grunk's cousin? Sure. Feels like it. They, at some point we're all related.

Yeah that's true. Going way way back. Manjia. I, the Panthers do look like a machine. They're a machine. They have an answer for everybody except for McDavid who sometimes looks like he has to do it all himself when he's doing his little like back and forth spins, getting the entire defense to chase him and then finding a guy in front of the net who misses a shot.

I was thinking about this last night. If you're McDavid and you're so good at hockey, do you get frustrated with your teammates for not being as good as you? Definitely. I think you would, right? Definitely. I played with a couple guys like that back in the day that just they were so mad at the rest of their team. Like, why can't you just do the things that I do right and you're just everyone's when he's moving the way he moves and you make a perfect pass and you know someone's not able to bury

it that would be frustrating it would be like just be me just be as good as me why can't why can't you be like me it's not that hard to do do. I do it every day bro Yeah, be brilliant with this They did get a goal on Bob though. They got one goal. They kind of shot it through him Yeah, Bob saved it and then the puck just kind of made its way through his body somehow Bob's really good to it always getting his like his mask off or the goal Comes comes off and they have to stop the play. Yeah, I'm anytime It feels like the oilers have a little bit of momentum Yeah, which is a savvy move by Bob. It definitely is. Yeah, he tells his defense like just run into the goal, please

Yeah, Whitney and the spitting chiclets boys will be there on was it Thursday night? Yeah, Thursday night Thursday night For the long travel. Yeah, the pod is in the building pod is in the building longest travel in the history of the Stanley Cup I saw that yeah, very cool poor, poor journalists. Oh my God. Think about the journalists. Imagine being a journal. Yeah, they get the extra day off though. So. Yeah, but the flight is just insane. You got to go through customs. And they got to go back. And you got to come back. Maybe. And then come back again. Might not have to. The Panthers keep playing the way they are. You get the mileage though. Yeah. The frequent flyers. Yeah.

But do you get to keep those? I think so. I don't know. Sometimes companies don't do that. They just bow guard them for you. They'll book the flight themselves. Yeah, it is tough. It is tough having to make all that travel.

Meals in various hotels that you might not be familiar with. Maybe you get locked out of your hotel room twice. Yeah, it's tough living on the road. Hard work. Hard work. That's why they have to turn around and do the drafts coming up right away after. That's brutal.

I really feel bad for hockey journalists. Especially Charles Barkley. Yes. Hockey journalist Charles Barkley. You could put him on any show. When they brought him out after the first period, I was just like, I hope that Charles Barkley does every hockey game.

How many? I feel like he's gonna come on this show next year cuz he's gonna be so bored and like want something to do but how okay so good point Hank cuz I or good comment that I wanted to just throw out there how many people do you think think that inside the NBA is done forever right now a lot way too many a lot yeah the way they Hank were you one of them? No. Oh, okay. Next year. Yeah. Yeah. I was a couple months ago. The way they made this scene, I think there's going to be a lot of people like, what? They're back on TV? Yeah. In the fall? Yeah. They still have a whole other year. Magic Johnson thought it was over. Yeah.

He tweeted out about it and then he had to delete the tweet once people were like, hey, it's actually not over this season Yeah, it's next year But you're gonna see Charles Barkley in Shaq at a level of not giving a fuck that we didn't think was possible Did you guys see the fan yelling at Charles Barkley? I really wish Charles Barkley had punched that he should have punched him Yeah, because that guy dropped an F-bomb on the Canadian broadcast Charles Barkley did yeah. Oh wow should he be in jail? No, okay, just saying how. Does FCC apply to different countries? I don't know. Yeah, I don't I think the FCC is in America. Yeah, so it's good

You can say whatever you want on the air in Canada. Yeah, it literally anything. Don Cherry was on it for like 25 years Yeah, the yeah, there was a kid is probably like 19 years old going up to Charles Barkley like you have no rings You're a bum. Mm-hmm, and. And I got mad for Charles Barkley. Charles Barkley shouldn't have to deal with that. No. It is also an age. If like a person that clearly watched it went up and kind of was ribbing him, but a kid who's like 18 years old

who just doesn't, you didn't even, you weren't even alive when Charles Barkley was playing, that would piss me off. It was funny when the kid went to the security guard afterwards and was like, that man doesn't you didn't even you weren't even alive when Charles Barkley was playing that would piss me off It was funny when the kid went to the security guard afterwards and was like that man doesn't have any rings Yeah, you don't understand. He doesn't have a ring. Yeah, Charles said he's like, what if I just punched him? Yeah, she had so Charles the kid doesn't know that Charles Barkley back in the day He would throw guys like that through a window. Yeah, he actually did do that. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely He should be allowed to do it again. Yeah

Okay, what else any anything else before we do hot sea cool throne and then we get some interviews Did you see I saw that there I think someone in the House what is a Congress we're petitioning to have Caitlin Clark on the US Olympic team That's yeah good use of time. Okay, I think as a representative from Indiana that one I saw and just like fuck this. Oh, no the guy from Indiana he he Issued some sort of statement. He wrote a letter I think to the WNBA asking to protect Caitlin Clark Moore. It's crazy crazy and I'm trying to think is there anything else that we got to talk about for hot-sea-cool-toron

I just want to say that the United United States men's national team should fire Greg Bertholter on the record. Why? Why isn't this guy fired? We was fired the other day. It's Bertholter out. Just fucking make up your mind people. He was fired in 2022 and then they brought him back actually fired. Well not renewed. They did a coaching search and they're like we're going to get back to Greg with six G's. Got it. We lost five-1 to Columbia. Right. And this is, I've told you guys this, because you guys get frustrated with US soccer being back. Is the US soccer team good?

They are a good team. They've got very good players. And in the next World Cup, they should be competing to reach like the quarterfinals, semifinals. They should be one of the best teams in the world. But with Greg, it's not going to happen. It's not. And we know it's not going to happen. It's not. And we know it's not going to happen, but we're still keeping them around. And it's

very frustrating. Very frustrating for soccer. Get him out. Get Burr Halter out. Fire him. I might boycott the US men's national team. Yeah. I'm boycotting Greg. Fuck Greg. So you're not going to watch? No, I'm boycotting him. Like I might not watch Copa America because of Greg. I can't boycott the World Cup Okay, no, no boy coming in the World Cup. I'll boycott some of the games the euros are coming up that we're not playing Where are we? What are we playing right now? Copa Copa America? Yeah, that's the United States version of the euros got it And we're gonna we have to win this or burr halters out Yeah, I'm saying he must we have to make it to the finals or else I

But we're not gonna watch it I'm not gonna watch some of the opening round games Okay I just, every time I fucking see Burrhalter out I'm like What the fuck, this guy's still around? Yeah It's crazy All he's done is get into a pissing match with our star player's dad

It's crazy And then he won't let the star player play because of that Get this guy out of here He stinks Get him out of here. Okay, let's do Hot Seat Cool Throne. Hot Seat Cool Throne is brought to you by our friends at Coors Light. You don't have to be selling out stadiums to feel like you're chilling backstage.

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What does that mean? Really, really fast. Okay. No rain forecasted. It's going to be like 90 degrees, so they're already super fast. It's going to get faster. I love it. Yeah, you're getting the videos of people, you know throwing the ball in the green and it just rolls

I love it. Yeah, I love it. I'm balls in the rough I saw that one a guy like he was standing next to a giant bush and he's like watch this This is how tough this course is. They just threw the golf ball into the bush and disappeared. He's like, look at that So yeah, dude, you just threw a fucking golf ball. I love it. Yeah. Yeah. He's like, the course has his teeth out this week. You'll never be able to survive this. Just throwing a ball into the woods. Yeah. He's like, don't hit it there. He's sitting next to a lake and he throws in, look at that. The ball just disappeared. Don't hit it in the woods. This course isn't playing around. I'm excited. Hank, you like, you actually rooting for the course?

I feel like you're not, you're a fake course guy. You wanna see the guys go low. Guys like us, we wanna see them struggle. Yeah, I want, I want, not just plus territory, I want the winner to shoot a plus 10. No, I would like minus five to minus one. Minus five to minus one, okay. I think Willie Z might be, that's my pick. Is he live?

Yeah, I think he's live. So Hank, when you said borderline, that sounded like a golf term to me. Yeah. No, Wyndham Clark said borderline. I don't know what that means. Borderline what? I don't know.

Borderline between what's, what are the borders? Like borderline even playable. Oh. Okay. They're already borderline. Oh it hasn't baked out yet. Baked out in its 87 90 93 92 90 sheesh. Gonna love it. And we played there. We were there last summer around this time so it's like right there being able to kind of experience the same conditions like same exact hole. It makes it really cool., I nurse number two

We put we ate Pete's on the third fairway a pine. There's number two. Yeah, holy shit Yeah, I did chip on to Riggs's practice screen. That was pretty much on pine. Her's number two Wow walked on the fairway what you trespass. Did you hit a shot? I didn't oh damn But like if I did where it would have it would have been borderline. It would have been borderline. Yeah, okay My cool throne I deleted my note. I can't find it. So it's max. He never had one. I did know I did I did there's no chance. I did I did I did I'll remember it later Your spider ate your note Max looks like the guy from counting crows who apparently dated Jennifer Anderson. Oh

Adam dirts Did you guys see this picture? No, I but I know what he looks like that dude has dated so many people Yeah, so cool throwing max that dude is an all-time boyfriend. I Mean look look at him. Oh, I just sent the picture. Okay. This is a podcast This is a podcast. We can put it on some YouTube show. We can put it on the YouTube Okay, and rumble. Yeah and rumble Jake's yeah, I know what Adam Dirtz looks like. He looks like Max that picture. You don't think looks like Max not at all Not even close. It's just the beard not even close

You know if you go through I'm sorry But if you husband if you go through his list of former girlfriends, it's incredible Yeah, this guy if you he dated Jennifer Aniston. I think he dated Courtney Cox. I mean dude your friends He dated Christina Applegate long December you put that on Check all don't want to hang out what it was uh, oh you have the real one So we don't do the one that doesn't look like max you're trying to he doesn't like max Mary ass lighting us max that does not look like you. I like to sing counting crow songs. Okay fine, then it looks like you Okay

Counting cronuts some people were saying yeah The roaring kitty stuff yeah Explain a tank Alright, so roaring kitty. He's a guy from the internet. I know that part. OK, well, that's all I got. He's a guy from the internet who the meme stocks, the game stop, he basically, so he manipulated the stock market,

which is a joke because that's what everyone does. So essentially, the big corporate stock market guys who've been making money all these years were like this is illegal what he's doing. He's artificially pumping up GameStop. He shouldn't be allowed to do this. Everyone was basically like you're telling on yourself because that is what you guys do constantly and you make money hand over fist for this. And then he came back, so he was gone for what, three or four years?

And then he came back and all he did was tweet one picture and GameStop went skyrocketed again. I think he's made, if he sold any of his positions, he would have made like $700 million. Apparently what happened was he recently just- Off of like nothing. He recently just put like hundreds of millions of dollars into GameStop, like himself. So he is like a big, big investor in GameStop at the moment. And then he did a live stream last week and the stock popped at first and then it went

back down. So he might have briefly become a billionaire and then I think he lost a lot of that money. Yeah, but the normies of the world are saying that it's illegal what he's doing and unfair what he's doing, but he's doing nothing different than what everyone does, including our politicians and anyone who essentially has insider information rigs the stock market. Yeah, he didn't have insider information. He had, I guess the insider information and rigs the stock market. Yeah, he didn't have insider information. He had, I guess the insider information that he had

was understanding the internet and understanding that if he put his case out there repeatedly, people would sympathize with GameStop, go against the people that were shorting the stock, and then everybody could make money until it reached an unsustainable peak, and then it takes a nosedive, and then if you don't get out, then you lose your money. So it is risky what people

are doing, but yeah, no, I made a lot of money all the way back down. And Hank, when they do the other part that was bullshit, whenever he would do the picture or it would start popping, they would pause trading and essentially say it's irregularities like we can pause trading. So it's all rigged. This was, remember this was, what was the app that people were using to trade on? Robinhood. Robinhood. This is the Robinhood controversy because Robinhood stopped people from being able to trade GameStop. So Robinhood was part of the institutions essentially saying you can't rig it like they're rigging it even

though it's always been rigged. I just had a really dumb thought. I almost said a second ago, you know what would rock if they made a stock market but for sports teams and like whether or not you thought a sports team would win a game or win a championship, that would be cool. That would be cool. It would be very cool. Think about it. Think about it. Yeah, what's the future? I mean like a long option. Yeah, long option. Yeah, put a long option on it. Yeah, I think we did a I'm gonna save

6.2 out of 10 Explanation of we're in kitty. Yeah, pretty much hit it I mean, there's be a lot of people who say you missed this or you're wrong about this But I think we did a pretty good job of surface level. We kind of nailed it He also likes beer and he likes drinking beers. He kind of looks like PFT too. Yeah, I got tagged a lot in that. I was thinking about maybe getting into some stock market shit, some stocks getting heavy into doing some financial lives. Let's get back in a top shot. No. Are those horses? NBA top shot. No. I'm still in. I'm still highly leveraged. I have an NFT, I think.

I bought a Marcus Smart Top Shot that's probably worth $2. I paid like $200 for. I was given a NFT that I don't even know how to get. Yeah, we thought about getting into racehorses, the NFT racehorses. Did Billy make NFTs for us? Oh, yeah. He made some money off of it. Not for us. Yeah, he thought about getting into racehorses the NFT racehorses. Do Billy make NFTs for us? Oh, yeah, he made some money off for us. Yeah, he made some money He just like drew elephants and said this is an NFC. It was it was a mammoth. But yeah Yeah, I'm also looking at more of Adam Dirtz's greatest hits here dated Lara Flynn Boyle as well

Winona Ryder this dude This dude's awesome. How did you say that? Isn't it Winona Ryder. This dude is Winona. This dude's awesome. Isn't it Winona? It's Winona. It's Winona Ryder. I've never heard that. It's definitely Winona Ryder. Winona? Winona Ryder, yeah.

No, it's Winona Ryder. No, it's not! It's Winona Ryder. She's the mom and stranger thing. I know exactly what she is. I've never heard Winona Ryder. You've never heard somebody say Winona Ryder? I don't think so. That's the first time for me.

Winona? Winona Ryder. She'll always be Winona to me. Who told you Winona Ryder? I've always called her Winona. That's crazy. Yeah. Let's stop taking his tracks. Anyways, Adam Dirtz.

Great work. Yeah. We have it. I'm sending it to Max. What? The official pronunciation from herself. Yeah, it's Winona Ryder. From herself? Yeah, there's Winona Ryder. From herself? Yeah, there's a video of her. Okay, let's hear it. Oh, we have breaking moves.

Ah, McCaffrey is the Madden cover athlete. Oh, nice. Yeah, sure. That makes sense. Max, you want me to clean the deli slicer look at Jacob always on top of it All right moment of truth, this is taking forever known a rider How to pronounce when owner rider I? mean Winona right Wait so that didn't yeah, that was it that was she wasn't her she was laughing at how we pronounce her name

She'd probably thought that was no different than what we've been saying. Yeah. Yeah, but he was she was like laughing I'm like, that's not it at all. No, that's it's Winona. You guys are kind of simps for well, you know by her preferred She said well, I had to pronounce it. I hadn't watched the video yet and she was standing there A real man pronounces a woman's name however he sees fit. Winona. Yeah, I've never heard that. All right, what was your cool thrown? Or was that your cool thrown? Would I know?

Wait, who's cool thrown? That was Hank. Hank. All right, good job, Hank. Good job, Hank. My hot seat is Buster Only. Yes, mine too. He got his account hacked yesterday.

Well, we don't know if it was hacked. Some people are saying it was hacked. I choose to believe that these were all actually Busteronly tweets. He tweeted, the season is canceled due to COVID. He tweeted out, Shohei Otani has been banned for life from the MLB in connection to charges with gambling. His trial is on August 28.

It is speculated he could get life in prison. Yep. He tweeted a couple fake trades. The New York Mets are finalizing a deal that will send Francisco Lindor to the Oakland Athletic. Sources tell ESPN. That one was funny because I was at my son's tee ball and the dad sitting next to me literally

said Lindor to the A's. Crazy. It would be wild. I was like, really? And then I looked and saw that it was Buster Only just tweeting all over the place. He also said, I hate Mets. Yeah. This is a good I hate Mets. Yeah. This is a good use of a hacker's time.

If you're going to hack a prominent account like that, at least fuck with people. Don't just do out the PlayStation 5 tweet or any obvious scam, like giving away autographed iPads. Yeah, I wish the hacker hadn't done any of the hack tweets first, just started going ripping off news, fake news. but this is good I like this hacker I don't know who he is or she well definitely he yeah but good job for this guy yeah definitely he could he said okay if I get in an unlimited prison sentence who will come

and bring panties yeah well could be she could be she yeah this was I swear to you I don't even know who I hacked. Who is this buster? Yeah It's good stuff. I thought for a second when he started doing the fake trades I thought he might be specifically fucking with his own fantasy league Yeah, like knowing that some of the guys in his team might trade him Francisco Lindor. Yeah, how mad do you think? I mean just imagining buster only sitting in his house having this happen and just feeling as helpless as possible Yeah, it's a very funny visual. It's very funny And I I know he doesn't have his account back yet

But he has been able to delete some of the tweets or they've been deleted by somebody. Okay But I hope I hope this keeps happening to reporters. Oh Peter King got hacked last Yeah, he did Peter King got hacked big time. They put out a crypto King. Yeah. Yeah. It was everyone's getting hacked dollar sign King. Yeah. Uh, okay. You're cool. Uh, then my cool throne. I've got two. One is Zach Wilson. Yeah. Zach Wilson is currently in the mix for the starting job. What's Denver? Which is crazy because Sean Payton, he compared, uh, Bo nicks to Peyton Manning and Drew Brees So imagine how good Zack Wilson has to be to be competing to start over a combination of Peyton Manning and Drew Brees Yeah, so think about it

Yeah, I don't I don't know how much we can trust reports coming out right now But I guess it's an open cut the saddest open competition of all time. I feel like Zach Wilson, when he got traded, basically every year, every coach says, Hey, you know what I'm going to do for you? I'm going to put out that there's an open competition. That's that's, that's the nicest thing I can do for you. And then he won't get it. But there was a competition there. There has been competing going on.

Yeah. Would have said, would it be funny? I think it'd be very funny if Zach Wilson was very good for the Broncos. Like what if he just went out there and lit shit up? What if he was better than Patrick Holmes in Patrick Holmes own division? Yeah. That would be very funny. Very funny. That would be a very funny wrinkle. Memes don't say anything at all if you think that also be funny. Okay. Okay. Confirm from memes. Perfect. My other cool throne is Big Dom. Yes, Big Dom got a promotion Yes, his old title senior advisor to the general manager chief security officer new title senior advisor to the general manager

Slash chief security officer slash game day coaching operations. So I hope he got her I hope you got a pay raise. He's basically a coach now It sounds like he just does everything for the Eagles. Yeah build the entire entire team at a big dom. I think this is something so that he could be on the sidelines during games. Oh, loophole. Yes. So he was not allowed to be there. Yeah. And also why not just make him a nose tackle? True. I would love that. Could have been on the sidelines a long time ago. I also saw one tweet that said that. So I have no idea if that's actually true. Oh, okay that I know one tweet Yeah, enough sourcing. I'm gonna back you up. Okay, good. Absolutely

I'll read one tweet and be like, yep That's the story and I'm sticking to it because he's been on the sidelines for years, right? Yeah, yeah, correct But I think that there may have been something about last year that he wasn't I'm making this up. I'm making this up I don't know. I need to stop So if you give him a like a somewhat of a coaching title, then he's allowed to shove opposing players, right? No, he's just allowed to be on the sideline again. I have no idea what I'm talking about. This is all off one tweet Yeah, yeah. Well, shout out big Dom. Yeah, shout out big Dom huge promotion. Okay. My hot seat was also Buster only I'll say hot seat wearing red two rodeos. I don't know if you guys saw the party bus.

That bull rocks. Very funny that he jumped over and found the one woman wearing red and then just rag dolled her. She's okay though. She's alive. Yeah. I think both the people that got sent to the hospital are okay. Yeah. So we can laugh about it. But you got to root for the bull. Oh, always. Right? Always. You have to root for the bull. I don't root for the bull as much in a rodeo because I don't think they actually, they don't hurt the bowls in a rodeo. Whereas in the bowl fighting, I'm rooting for the bowl every time. Yeah. When that's a little different, when the matadors are trying to kill it. I think in a rodeo, don't they like tie a string around the bull's nuts to piss it off? Uh, maybe. Sure. They do. You read a tweet about it? Yeah, I did. Okay, then yeah.

They do something to piss the bull off before it goes out and starts bucking around. Yeah. And this bull was just, everyone was like clapping for the bull as it's running around the ring like, oh, this is awesome. What a funny moment. Ha ha ha ha. And then the bull just goes full bull and just jumps right over that fence. Yeah, Party Bus is, he's a legend.

When he gets back to his boys, he's like, you'll have no you you'll never guess what I did Mm-hmm. I just fucked everyone up that running of the bulls. Is that still a thing? Yeah, Lona. Yeah Yeah, roof for the bulls there too people. Yeah voluntarily running the wild with them. Yeah. Yeah The Ryan brothers did it one time me. Yeah What you want to do it? No rush more punishment. Oh grit week grit week grit week Pamplona My rush for a punishment

Is it when is Pample? It's odd mid-july. No. No, we can't do that. Damn it. I was gonna say yes But timing doesn't work out It's right in the middle our own we get our own bowls It's right in the middle of the course. We get our own bulls. Just have Alex Caruso come in. Yeah, chase us around. Want to get the bulls. And then kill them afterwards.

Yeah. Is that what they do? Yeah. What? Jake, what? That's crazy. That's what bull fights are. Yeah, bull fights.

They kill the bulls. I didn't know that. Yeah. Oh yeah. You thought they just had a little run? Well, actually Well actually they go for a run and then they lasso them and bring them. No I'm pretty sure those guys get killed. They kill all the bulls in the running of the bulls. I know in bullfights the goal is to kill the bull like the matador steps to the side and starts stabbing it with shit and then the bull dies. But I don't know

what happens at that actual running of the bull. They might take those bulls and then send them to bullfights. All right. What happens during the run of the bull. They might take those bulls and then send them to bull fights. All right. What happens during the running of the bulls in Pamplona? This is from PETA, so I'm assuming it's not great. After provoking a few charges from the exhausted bull, he aims to kill him by stabbing him between the shoulder blades and through the heart with a sword. So I think they kill them. Yeah. I think they run them into the coliseum, whatever, then they kill them. Yeah, the aim of the Matador is to always kill the bull, and his fight is only considered

successful if it ends in the bull's death. Wow, you learn something new every day. Yeah. My cool throne is Kevin Durant. He's back on Twitter. I just got a chuckle out of this. Some guy said, actually what we were talking about a couple of weeks ago, the only way KD can redeem his legacy is if he returns to the

thunder and wins them their first ever championship LeBron style, then all his sins will be forgiven. We good. Kevin Durant and Kevin Durant replied, you ain't God. Go get ready for work. It's good. Go get ready for work is a sick burn. Yeah. Because you know that guy is getting ready for work when he tweeted it. And he's just like, yeah, go take a shower. If he doesn't have a job, he's even down worse. Yeah. Just a great, great burn. So Kevin Rantz back. And then the guy, yeah, the guy replied, quiet is better than you. You know you have him. That's a, that's a lame ass reply. So, good job for Kevin Durant. He's back. Or he's cool thrown. Jake. My hot seat's the Olympics. Apparently,

Paris is pulling the plug on air conditioning in the Olympic Village for the athletes. What? In an effort to go green. But now, some countries are bringing their own portable AC units. Yeah, you don't fuck with a man's air conditioning. Apparently this is a thing. Like in Paris, they just don't rely on AC as much as us. What if they reinstall the AC if Caitlin Clark attends? That could work. And then every athlete has to talk about how grateful they are for Caitlin Clark attending. Mm-hmm. That would be good. Yeah. Yeah and my cool throne is Mercedes Lewis. This guy's still hanging around. He resigned with the Bears. Yeah. And the fact he's been in the league since I was in middle

school. Yeah. That's insane. He's still doing it. I don't like a physical position. It is crazy. The guy like him because he it feels like he has a 12th man on the bench in NBA career going right now where it's like, yeah, he just going to keep keep showing up but he loves being around the boys. Yeah you bring him in have a mentor just hang out good locker room guy. He needs four more games to play the most as a Titan in NFL history. So that's probably why he's playing. Retire after week four? Yeah. Mercedes Lewis played in college for UCLA in 2005. Colorado was definitely not in the Pac-12. Utah wasn't in the Pac-12. So when was his first year in the-

And now the Pac-12 is gone. In the- 2006. 2000, holy shit. 2006. This is insane. Yeah. It's insane. Congrats to him. Okay. Let's get to our interviews. Okay, before we get to Caddy and comedian Michael Collins, a quick word from our friends at Viator.

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caddy. That is what he's he's joined the zoom with. It is Michael Collins, golf expert, America's caddy comedian. Michael, thank you for joining us. We appreciate it. We want to do a little US Open talk with you. But before we do that, let's just, you just said you golfed yesterday on a former US Open course. How did you golf and how is the game right now? The game was fantastic. I played the BMW charity pro-am for the corn fairy tour last week and then went up and played in the Eagles for Autism event that was at Marion and the game was great in at the BMW and the game was not quite as great at Marion because they could hold a US Open on that course this weekend as well

as good as that golf course condition wise is in those greens were running like a 13 to a 14 on the Stimp meter right now so it's like it was like Imagine trying to hit a putt in your bathtub and make it stop before it gets to the drain That's how the greens were running cheese Wow. Yeah, that's not pretty intense. Are you still a caddy? Are you America's golfer now? Because it seems like you're playing a lot, but I don't see you on many bags Yeah, it's kind of funny how that worked out Like I put the jumpsuit on and don't really get to carry bags as much as I as I used to before

Uh, i'll do a fill-in If if need be I don't know that i'll go back to caddy in full time again on tour as I did for a long time. But I kind of I kind of like the gigs that I got right now. Yes. Which is good and fun is not quite as volatile as being a caddy. People thought like oh cool man you're caddy so you got guaranteed this and get now man it don't work like that. Like I got fired on a Thursday after the first round there's no contracts there's no guarantees for caddies out there and you got to pay all your own expenses airfare hotel rental car food all of that stuff so you know if you

got a guy who's missing four or five cuts in a row and you got a family at home and bills to pay you can get little, get a little scary. Wait, why'd you get fired on a Thursday afternoon after, after a first round? What happened? I was working for a dude. Me and him almost got in a fight on the golf course. I literally put the bag down and was like, you want to go? Well, I was, I was caddied. So let's just say, you know, of all the people that are caddy for, we're friends now. And but at the time it, what seemed like a good connection ended horrifically. So I caddy for Daniel Chopra for like three months maybe.

And at one point we were just not getting along so bad. I put the bag down in the middle of the tournament. It was like, do you want to go right here in front of everybody? Like I got embarrassed in front of all these people. That's crazy. Yeah. And so then when he when it when it got to its worst point ever we were in Chicago and he shot six over and then was in the locker room and sent his wife Samantha out because

he didn't want to do it face to face. Oh no. Oh no. Maybe he was scared and she was like, we're going to make a change. And I was like, yeah, that's probably a good idea. Yeah, it's probably not working out. Yeah. Probably a good idea.

You've got a very interesting career path too. I was reading up about you and how you got into golf in the first place and how you kind of just networked your way and ended up finding a career in media that you didn't really plan out for at all. But one of the craziest parts that I read about was when you started caddying, you didn't really know what you were doing. You were just kind of like,

you were a good hang for people, right? Which I feel like that's not a bad place to be for a caddy. If you're looking to like switch up the vibes a little bit, get somebody who's funny that you like out there that can bust your balls a little. But when you first stepped onto the golf course as a caddy, you did not know how to rake a bunker properly. And that made me realize I don't know how to rake a bunker properly. No idea. So-

You know how many people feel that way? It was Robert Gomes. I was still doing stand up comedy full time and Robert Gomes called me up and it's like what are you doing next week what are you talking about he goes man I'm playing like shit I'm not having fun on the golf course I need you to come caddy for me just so I can remember to have fun again on the golf course and I was like all right cool and we get to play it was in Louisiana on it was like Nike Tour back in the day, it's Corn Fairy Tour now. But we get there and the course was underwater.

No practice rounds, no pro-am. They let us drive a cart around the course on Wednesday and said, you're not allowed to hit a shot. So I literally got the bib on Thursday and it's for real. And he comes over and takes the head cover off the driver on this par five and he goes, he looks at me at me and I go hey don't hit it in the bunker because I don't know how to rape like this pros Okay, and he gives me this weird look I'm like I don't make no sense and hit you dead in the bunker and I was like it comes over slams the club

And I just told you not to hit in there, dude And he goes you can't say that man. That's all I'm gonna focus And we start laughing and when we get down there, I was like, what are you going to do? And he goes, I'm going to hit a three-wood in the front green side bunker because it's a par five. I'm going to get up and down for par. And I was like, bitch, I just told you I can't rake. You're hitting it in two bunkers on the first hole.

And I was like, if you hit it in that front bunker, I'm going to call immigration and tell them you're illegal. I'm going to get you kicked out. And so he laughs and jumps down and he's posing, called his shot right in the front bunker and he looks at me, I put the vest, yo, this dude's not even supposed to be in this country. And he starts laughing, he's like,

get your ass down in that bunker and start ragin', boy. And then the other, and we realized, yo, there's two other dudes playing with us and both them and their caddies are like, what the hell's going on? Right, this is the first hole. And we're laughing yo, there's two other dudes playing with us. And both them and their caddies are like, what the hell's going on? Yeah. This is the first hole. And we're laughing and stuff like that.

And after that, other guys were like, hey, man, give me your phone number when you got a week off from comedy. Call me. But I have to admit, even when I started playing golf, I've always been good at reading greens. And I think that was like one of those secret things that also helped me stay being a caddy and employed for so long. Because I'm, for some

reason have always been good at reading greens. So wait, how do you rake a bunker though? Because I don't know. So at a greenside bunker, what you want to try to do is make the rake marks go towards where the green is. So you don't want to rake parallel to the greenake marks go towards where the green is. So you don't want to rake parallel to the green. So let's say the green is my head. You don't want the rake lines like this. You want them like this.

And the reason why is when you do that, when you rake this way, and the ball lands here, so now there isn't sand in between the ball and your club. So it gives it a cleaner lie. But wait, that's just you're just helping the people that play behind you. Yes, you're paying it forward. What if there was just a real asshole of a caddy? Well then the PGA tour finds out who it was and that dude gets a pink slit with a little

fine in his locker because the players responsible for that. Wow. And the PGA Tour finds out who it was, and that dude gets a pink slit with a little fine in his locker, because the player's responsible for that. Wow, that's crazy. And we say pride as caddies too. Like there's nothing cooler if there's a big crowd and your boy hits it in a bunker and hits it out there to tap in for the par, and you break the hell out that bunker,

then you're getting out the bunker. Somebody's always like, hey man, will you vacuum my house and make the lines look that good? Come mow my grass. You'll. Yeah. So what's the, you mentioned the greens, or you know being able to read a putt. What, this US Open we've seen what it looks like, it's the turtle shell, it looks like it's impossible, it's baked out. What are these guys gonna have to deal with this week at Pinehurst? So it's two things.

And I caddied this event before they made the changes. And then I covered the event when, if you remember the last time we were here, they played both the men's and women's in back to back weeks. And I played Monday after Michelle, we won. So that was Martin Kimer won the men's, Michelle Wee won her only major then the next week. And so two things they're really gonna have to deal with here, one is off the tee. This is because they let it go back to all natural.

It's not a lot of big rough off of the tee, but what it is is native areas. And what that means is like, sometimes you got a perfect lie. Like it rolls through all this crap and then just sits there and sits up. And other times, like, there's like this gorse grass stuff that it'll sit behind and you're screwed, absolutely screwed.

And so that's gonna be one of the things you got to deal with off the tee if you're not in the fairway. Then as you said, those turtle shaped greens, almost every green has a little fall off. So similar to an open championship, you kind of want to play to the front number, especially if the weather, like what they're looking at

right now, perfect, perfect weather and a firm golf course, you can't fly the ball to the flag. You have to land it short and then let it hop up. And when the greens are real firm, like what you don't see is one of the things we love as amateurs, because we can't do it, is when you see those dudes hit those wedges in nine irons and they hit and see, spin back, boy, I love seeing that.

You're not gonna be able to do that on these. They're gonna take two hops and just stop or even roll out just a little bit. They'll trickle forward like they do it a lot of the open championships. Oh wow. So whose game does this favor in these conditions? There's no course that doesn't favor Scotty Scheffler. That dude, I mean, you name the type of golf course as the ball striker that he is, he has the ability to just, he figures it out and then kind of bores the hell out of everyone to death, right? So this is also a golf course that, you know, big hitters can do well here because the shorter the club that you have in your hand, especially if you're in the fairway, the more that you can control that spin and the better off that

you're going to be able to attack what the USDA is famous for is putting whole locations on these greens that dare you to hit at them. Yeah. Good. the one thing about what the USGA and what the US Open is, sometimes a 15 footer is a great shot. But what the USGA gives you those pins where you're just like, I think I can get to this. This is where caddies earn their money. When a guy like this fits my shop shape, you know, I'd be able to work this right to that hole.

And the caddy gotta be like, nah, let's work it kinda to the middle of this green. And if it accidentally feeds there, cool. Yeah. Yeah. Cause you can hit a good shot and get penalized, and you can hit a crappy shot and just barely be okay. So what, as a caddy, what's the one thing that people don't understand about the job of a caddy?

Because as far as I understand, it's always, I'm watching the caddies there to help, but eventually it's up to the player to make the shot and decide what they want to do. But what's the hard part of being a caddy that people kind of don't really see day to day? It's that psychologist that you are on the golf course. And it's the stuff that they don't show on TV. You know, the old saying back in the day was just the three ups. Show up, stand up, shut up. That was it, you know what I mean?

Caddies were a bunch of vagabonds and stuff. There would dudes would be passed out in bushes and just stumble up there and that was it. But it's the money that's out on the PGA Tour right now, there's no such thing as that anymore, right? So it's the relationship between the player and the caddy the player and the caddy because you're with a guy for seven hours eight hours for the day not just on the golf course and so what are you talking about in between shots and as a caddy you got to know like does my guy have his a game today?

And if he has his B game, he knows he has his B game I know he has his B game, but we got to like figure out a way to get the best out of that B game So some cases he'll want to hit one club and can I talk him in to a different club at the right moment? I mean I would wake up four hours before our tee time just for wind forecasts to try it. If we had an afternoon tee time, I was on the course early watching other guys hit shots on holes that I know

were gonna be pivotal for my guy. Yeah. And so that part of the game, people don't understand. They think it's just, you just walk, carry the bag and keep the clubs clean. And it's not like that at all. And sometimes the hardest part of caddying is wanting to say something to a dude and knowing when not to say something where other caddies or people would jump in there and be like, Hey, man, it's going to be okay. Don't worry. We're going to get through this. And then dude looks

you like, I'll freaking kill you, man. You're like, shut up. And sometimes it's like just looking at a dude and not saying nothing. Like, you know what, you're pissed off good, sitting there pissed off, whatever. You need a kick in the ass. I'm not saying nothing.

You're constantly tasked with reading the room and just trying to figure out what his vibes are and matching it, whether good or bad. That is very difficult. Yes, and you're the only, it's you and the player. That's it. That's the only one that's in there that really can give, that legally can give advice

to a player in there. And it's the only sport like that. But for me, it was like, it was so much the opposite of doing standup comedy. So it was like, I get to be the vice president behind the curtain, the only one that got this dude's ear, you know, and then they do the interview and you hear him be like, Oh, that was a great shot. You hit on the par three. Yeah. Seven iron was the right club there. And I get to stand over the side. I was like, yeah, he wanted to hit eight iron in the water. Are you real sick of these players nowadays are like players are so much different now

than when I when I first started caddying like you hear so much more we and yeah team and stuff. You hear the best players in the world. That's what it's all about. Look what happened to Scottie Scheffler after he brought Ted Scott on the bag? It changed everything. And people are like, really? Did it make that much of a difference? What did he shoot the day after he was in jail when Ted Scott wasn't on the bag? There you go. Right. Yeah. Makes a difference. Are you a sicko like us and you like when the USGA puts out the hole locations and you just stare at the map of the holes that morning and you're like, yeah, I can't wait.

13's got a great hole on it. Let me put it this way. I might put the pin sheets out on social media when they lit them out early. Yeah. When I don't do it during majors, I hear from it. Oh yeah. Like people hit me up and like, yo, how come you not putting them pin sheets out, man? Yeah.

So yeah, yeah, I'm not gonna lie. I'm a sicko too. I got problems. Yeah, I like that. What's the best piece of advice and then maybe the worst advice that you've given as a caddy? Best piece of advice. I think the best piece of advice one time I gave was I was caddying for Omar Uresti and he had been a little uptight, like going into a tournament in Vegas and the first round

I could tell he was uptight and it was kind of a, it was a pro-am back in the day. And I said, give me the scorecard. He goes, why? And I go, I'm going to keep score today. Don't worry about it. You don't worry about keeping the score. Just entertain this dude, whoever's with us, and play. And then at the end of the round,

he was like, what did we shoot? And I was like, that's right. That's right. And we ended up shooting 700 that day. And when I told him, he was like, what? He didn't even realize that we shot 700. Wow. And the worst advice I ever gave

was caddying for John E. Morgan. It still bothers me to this day. We were in a Monday qualifier to get into Miami and play Doral. And I had a bad read on our second to last hole. And he didn't necessarily see the same thing that I saw. And so, but he went with my read and it was wrong and it to this day bothers me because I feel like it cost us a chance to get into that tournament and if we would have got in we would have

We would have done some damage together on the PGA tour Yeah, or we would have both got arrested and ended up like in jail and it would have ended horribly. But who knows? That's still fun though. Yeah. Would you think it'd be hard to be John Daly's caddy? Because he's driving around in the car. He gets the use of the car. You have to carry the bag and walk. Plus, you ain't got to carry the bag though.

When you're on the PGA Tour Champions, here's the cool thing about being on PGA Tour Champions. You can put the bag on the back of the car. Oh, that's nice. I walk. I ain't got to carry the bag. Yeah. You ride with the bag all day. I don't care. I'll go, I'll get the yardage for you all day. Tell you what club to pull off the back. Yeah. But basically if you're cadding for John daily, you're just like giving him instead of shot

selection and club selection, like cigarette selection. Like let's go with the, this feels like a marble red right here. That'd be like, Hey man, finish this diet coke. Cause I'm not putting it back in the bag, bro. Yeah. The tight coats get heavy. Yeah. Yeah. I've known John for ever. He is a really good friend of mine. I love that dude to death. And I, I can happily say that I've driven him back to his bus on a few late afternoons and late evenings. Cause I didn't want him to have the drive. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, we've had some good times together, man. He's good people.

But that's the one thing I always love to tell people about John Daly, too, that not only is he a great dude to be around, when he's a good friend of yours, if this shit hits the fan, he coming. And if you want to know who your real friends are, it ain't about when it's perfect, right? It ain't about the sunny days and hanging out and having good times.

But it's like, if it hits the fan, you want to find out who your friends are, who coming when it hits the fan? Yeah, yeah. He's one of those dudes, he's coming. Yeah. All right, so in terms of this US Open, is there anyone besides Scottie Scheffler

that you've looked at and you're like, Hey, this guy is playing really well, or this matches up well with Pinehurst? Just because I agree with you, no one can really touch Scottie right now. But if you're trying to find other options, there's got to be a couple of guys out there because it does, it feels like, you know, peak Tiger Woods where when tiger was you know, even money against the field or minus one, everybody. Yeah. Now it's all prop bet. Right. That's it. Right. All you got is prop bets now because Scotty Scheffler messed it up for everybody. Yeah. Um, it's tough too, especially with the guys coming from live that we haven't seen a whole lot.

You wonder like how much a guy like John Rom, like this is one of those show me opportunities for John Rom, I think. I mean, this is one of those golf course that there's never a wrong time to hit it long and straight. Right. And so. Colin Moore Kawa is someone whose game is trending in a really good direction. I thought he might have a little drop off him and Xander after especially after the PGA championship. Yeah, it doesn't. It doesn't seem like he's dropped off a lot.

And look, we you guys know like Golf is cyclical. Everything is waves except for Scottie Scheffler It seems like right now right but it seems like when dudes When really top golfers start playing well, they play well for a while three to six months It's like oh, it's all like Donkey Kong This dude's never gonna miss and then after like three to six months. It's like, oh, it's all like Donkey Kong. This dude's never going to miss. And then after like three or six months, they start missing all the time. And you're like, damn, that dude just fell off. And then it's the next guy. And I feel like kind of column or cow was riding the wave right now, where this is a spot that might

set up pretty good for him. His putter scares me a little bit, you know? And that's where Scotty just because his ball striking is so good, he doesn't have to be a great putter. But it's funny with Scotty, like when it's really on the line and he has that 12 footer to save par must make to keep that two shot bang, dead center, perfect speed, and he's got that little Scotty fist pump, We call it vanilla bitch fist pump. I don't want to be showing too hard. I want to show up my competition here. I'll just beat them every week. Yeah. I don't want to be, you know, I mean, I don't, you know, as a Christian pride is

one of the seven, I don't want to be showing off too hard. Yeah. Yeah. But that's his game, like his hardcore like that. So I don't know, man. What about the mentality of going into an event like the US Open where you know that they are specifically making the course difficult to the point where it could be a guy's minus one to win it or plus one to win it? Is that like the

psychology of going into a tournament like that where you know the course is going to be so much harder than everything else? What? How does that work for the player? That's where the caddies and the caddies earn their money then too. Yeah. Cause there's many times, listen, and you guys been around enough athletes to understand this too. They're going to tell you in the beginning, no man, it's cool. It's laid back. I'm going to be chill. Like we're just playing ping pong. I don't even care if I win. And as soon as the game starts, that's out the window and kiss my ass is on now. Ah, yeah.

I thought we was going to be chill. And that's as a great, if you're a really good caddy, you're reminding your guy that all the time. At the US Open, bogeys won't kill us. And the other thing you're telling your dude is, hey, everybody else is effing up too, bruh. Relax, take it easy. We ain't the only ones, because that's what happens.

Golfers, they get in their own bubble so hard sometimes, and so deep that they're like, I'm the only guy out here screwing this up. This is bullcrap. And then as a caddy, you got to be like, come here, come here, look at the scoreboard. You see your name is still up there. You know why our name is still up there? Cause we ain't the only one effort up. Relax. We got this. So play the next hole. So who do you think, who are the best caddies in the game right now. You have like a top five. No. But here's the thing. Here's why it's hard to do that. We jokingly made a like I had a joke with one of the caddies because

every time I'd see him I was like hey man you still in the top 50 of caddies. He was like not this week I fell out, right? When you're a caddy on the PGA Tour, what makes you a great caddy is being able to give the player you're caddying for what that player needs. Now, if, let's say, Xander Chafalais' caddy went to caddy for someone else, which he's, I mean, he's not gonna do that, right?

Because they're good friends too. But he can't caddy the same for Xander that he's caddying for somebody else like Ted Scott is not doing the same stuff for Scotty that he did for Bubba Watson Because they don't need the same things. So like what who are some of the best caddies out there? So, but I mean you look at like bones? When he was caddying for Justin Thomas, he wasn't doing the same stuff for Justin Thomas that he did for Phil Mickelson. Would Phil Mickelson have been the golfer that he was without Bones? I'm going to say hell no. No, there's no way. But does that make Bones like one of the best caddies out on tour, you know, even though he's not working

right now, I don't know because every caddy has to give something different depending on what that player needs. So I think that's if you want to see what great caddies are, it's like in the moment, in the moment, did this guy say exactly what his player needed him to say? Like, you look at a guy like Michael Greller and Jordan Spieth, would Jordan be the player that he is without Michael Greller being the caddy that he was for Jordan? I would venture to say absolutely not. It's why they have stayed together for so long. So it's like, there are all the caddies on the PGA Tour.

The reason that they're out there is because of how good they are in the moments that they're needed most. And they mess up just like players do. One of the greatest lines, Mark Wilson won the Honda one year after his caddy accidentally got him a two-stroke penalty and his caddy was so shook up. I mean Chris Jones is in name is is in caddy nickname is crispy and crispy were like after the round was just inconsolable and

Mark then during the round looked at him and said hey man. I'm gonna mess up a lot more than you looked at him and said, hey man, I'm gonna mess up a lot more than you. It's okay, we're gonna get through this. And that was on a Thursday and they won that tournament that week. And it was one of the coolest things ever. Yeah, that is very cool. It has been awesome, Michael. I have a couple last questions. One of the last questions, a rollback question, r-h-o-b-a-c-k.com promo code take 20% off your first purchase. Q-zips, polos, hoodies, joggers, shorts, great golf attire. I was wearing a rollback polo yesterday when we were out.

Rollback.com promo code take. Does Tiger Woods have any chance of finishing top 20? This might be the US Open course that he does. Are you saying that to me like, are you saying there's a chance? Yeah. Yeah. Okay, if you're saying- We want him to be in the mix.

Exactly. If you're saying it in that sense, is there a chance? Yes, because this is probably of all the US Open venues, this might be the easiest of the walks. Okay. And that's what it takes for Tiger now. That's part of the issue.

It ain't the course, it's the walks. Yeah. And the stances. So when he misses a fairway at Pinehurst, like he's going to be a native area, but he's not going to have some jacked up stance like he would, like he would have at the PGA Championship, like he did at the Masters,

like that's the problem. Now it's also a sand based course. So if they get really bad weather and the course gets soft, then of course it's going to be an issue. But this week too, the temperature looks like it's going to be a hot great for Tiger Woods in his back. Yeah. So if he keeps it in play like fairways and greens, yeah, he can hit the shots. So Tiger Woods could win the US Open. No, take it easy bro, relax. I didn't say that, now there you go.

But maybe. Now you're being media. But maybe. See? Wow. Don't do that. That's shocking. Come on and say that.

That's a bold claim. This is good for the headline, yeah. See what I mean? Michael Collins. Michael Collins says Tiger Woods can win the US Open this year. No, no, I didn't that ain't what I said, man What about what about max homo can max homo win the u.s. Open? This year Great caddy joe's a great caddy. It was a great man. Griner, man joe griner another one

That's the thing like so him and Max are such an amazing team together. You know what? Yeah. I, yeah. I know a lot of people thought, like, LA was the spot for him and stuff, but winning a home game in golf is impossible. Yeah.

It's just too much. Like, that kind of internal pressure that you put on yourself with all the people that you know are there For you, but some are like pine hearse and they that many cousins and nephews coming out from California be like hey You want to walk around 20 miles past children of the corn in the middle of nowhere? Nah, we good. We'll stay here in LA. So um If Max's putter is good, that's what it'll be for him this week. Yeah.

Okay. Last question. Who do you have to win not named Scotty Shufford? Do you have a pick? No. You can't do Scotty. So you're saying Scotty. It's just Scotty.

No man. That's yeah. Listen, went back in a day when it was like that too with Tiger and you would be like Tiger or the field. How many people were like, Oh, it's the field. Yeah. No, you're right. You're right. Yeah. It's this man. It's how I don't know how you pick against Scotty. And the other thing about this year now, because of what happened at the PGA, what are we going to say if Scotty wins the masters, the U S open and the open

championship and the reason that he didn't win the PGA was because of what happened on Friday. Well, the officer's pants got destroyed. I don't know if you saw the picture. It was an ugly scene. Oh, his pants get around his ankles, all right. His pants and the whole Louisville Police Department's pants are around their ankles. Yeah, that's a playbook. How to beat Scottie Shuffler.

Just get him arrested. Which Mayberry RFD hit him up before the round. Yeah. That's going to be what happens. Like going into the open championship. Somebody's going to make a call to TSA over there and be like, yo, this dude was bringing in paraphernalia. Yeah. Yeah. He went hunting before. You know what that means? Might not want to let him in searching good. Yeah. Yeah. He's from Texas, has a gun maybe. Check him out. Do a double check.

Do a double check. All right, well, Michael, this has been awesome, man. We really appreciate it. You do great stuff, and we're excited to watch some golf this weekend. Hey, I'm really excited. Thanks to you guys for having me on, man. I've been wanting to be on y'all's show for a while, dude. So this means a lot for me to be able to come

on and hang out with you guys. So anytime, bro, anytime we got to get you in person, play around with you. Yeah. You could get, you could get in our head. You could tell us psychology of the golf game. Yeah. You could do everything. Actually, that'd be funny. You did everything wrong. Like you tried to fuck us up the most. Yeah. I might make us good. That is not a problem. That's not a problem. You know you can do that on an interview Saturday or even like when SiriusXM used to make me do pre-round interviews and I was like, I'm not doing that. Because you asked the guy the wrong question and you're in his head and then the next time

he sees you he's like, I ain't talking to you ever again. So getting in golfer's heads is easy. It ain't a problem. Yeah. Love it. All right. Well, thanks so much, man. Appreciate it easy. It ain't a problem. Yeah. Love it. All right. Well, thanks so much, man. Appreciate it, and we'll hopefully see you soon.

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It is. And I can remember, man, it it was because Kobe came into the league at 17. I believe that his parents actually had to sign his contract at the time. Because, you know, he wasn't legally obligated to do so. So I remember when he was 3435 years old. You know, he looked at me and was like, Okay, love, I've been in the league half my life. That always stuck with me. He saw LeBron had just done that. You had seen in football that Tom Brady had done it. That had always stuck with me. When I hear that I've been in the league 16 years,

I came in at 19, got drafted 19 back in 2008. It's wild. Going into year 17, I'm signed through that with the heat. I can hope to continue to keep going. But that goal for me has always been to say, be able to say I've played half my life in the NBA. I'm getting old. That gray hair is really, I mean, people, you know, message me, there'll be guys that, you know, on the other side now, which is funny coming in from people like Richard Jefferson, who doesn't have any hair, but he's like man those grays really come out on

TV it like really really sticks out and ages you yeah You should do like a little makeover this offseason just remind people like you're still young maybe go full bleach like Eminem. Oh Full bleach should be good, but I always thought like, you know I always saw remember there's like the touch of gray where like the guy that's young and hungry has like the full Black jet hair and then the older dude has a full gray hair then they merge them. Mm-hmm I feel like there's something there that could be had maybe you guys can yeah Oh, I see in the right direction you can go Paulie walnuts just get the wings on either side. Yeah, that would look Yeah, yeah, I'm going gray and I do from time to time

We'll touch it up. But I respect you for not like your, you know, representation matters. So seeing you out there running around on the court with gray hair, it helps. Yeah. Someday I want to grow up and do that. The few, the proud question. Yeah. Sweet. Sweet. You're not going to retire, right? We can officially, you're officially not going to retire. I hope not. No them actually they're going to buy in our Boston series or only series had said something in the media about oh you know Kevin said he doesn't have much time left and that he could be on his way out. So that kind of led to a lot of questions of me possibly retiring. But I'm, I'm a, you know, to the wheels fall off. I'm going to make this thing go as long as I possibly can.

So 16 and into 17 for a kid from Lake Oswego, Oregon, not too bad. Yeah, pretty good. What was it like being in, in year 16 in Miami? Because I think a lot of people think Miami great time, kind of an easy lifestyle, but playing for the Heat, they do like weigh-ins and stuff, right? They have a lot of structure around their program. Is that easy for you to translate into and to kind of fit in there as an older guy that's established yourself in the league? It really did. And it was easy to fit in in terms of it being very refreshing for somebody like me.

Coach Spoh, grew up in Portland, Oregon. He's somebody that I've watched and admired from afar. Somebody that back in 2008, they had the second pick. I ended up being the fifth pick that, I was kind of hoping that there was a way I could play myself into that. It ended up being Michael Beasley, and then it was OJ Mayo, the third pick, fourth pick,

Russ, and then myself. But I'd always looked at the Heat as a team that I potentially like to play for. They have just that ethos of, they talk about culture all the time, but just championship type mentality, attention to detail, come in every game, trying to work no matter who's in, who's out. We're gonna give ourselves an opportunity in preparation to win. So as far as like falling in love with the game again, there's been different stages in my career where I felt that has happened.

When I first got to Miami last year, I really did feel that I loved not only being in the city, being around the fans, you know, having my family out there with me, but you know, playing for such a storied franchise that only has one thing on their mind and that's to win games and to win championships. That was just refreshing being around that every single day and especially having that full year from training camp all the way on through the playoffs this year was definitely special. Yeah, so you mentioned the one playoff series this year. Obviously last year was, was definitely special. Yeah, so you mentioned the one playoff series this year.

Obviously last year was, you guys went deep all the way to the NBA finals, but the Celtics, the battles that have happened, you know that team well. They're in the finals now. What is it about the Celtics that they do so well or different versus everyone else that has them on the cusp of winning an NBA title? Well, they turned and this is no disrespect to

those two guys because they meant so much to them. But, you know, Drew Holliday and Derek White, you had Marcus Smart and Robert Williams turn into those two guys. I mean, excuse me, poor Zangus. And then you have, and then you have Derek White and Drew Holliday as their X-Factors. Those two guys being your X-Factors, it's just, they do everything right all the time. I mean, game two was unbelievable to watch Drew operate. Obviously I'm a fan of his being a UCLA guy, a guy that I played against a lot in my career and also growing up having watched him.

Campbell Hall guy in Los Angeles. So to see him go 11 for 14 and have 26 and 11 in game two was, it just shows you how deep that their team is. I think that he is, Drew has continued to be overlooked, not just in this series, but throughout his entire career as well. Like he could have been a perennial all-star guy that could have asked for more.

But he's certainly gone throughout his career in the right way. And Derek White is somebody who just continues to impress. He lit us up in the first round. And when other guys weren't having great games or they weren't shooting well or for Zingas went out in our series that you know he was able to step up and play extremely well. But back to you know Marcus Martin Robert Williams becoming Drew and poor Zingas they just unlock so much for them when you have a guy that's seven three and that can stretch the floor and then allow you know Brown and

Tatum to operate how they want. It's just impossible to guard. And they just throw so many different types of looks at you. And, um, it's, it's tough. It's why they've been the best team all year with the best record. Yeah. Well, you guys, you guys showed the roadmap of how to beat the Celtics. You just don't miss threes. Just hit every three point shot. Do you think that the Mavericks should try that? They should probably try that I mean what game one I think they were Would they shoot six for 26 and then maybe seven for 27? In game two, maybe I have that flip-flop, but they haven't been shooting the ball well from three

I mean, it's everybody knows that this game three is Going to be the series but they're a team that that they talk about. Missoula talks about playing the math game. They're going to get their threes up. Uh, they're going to continue to put guys on the island and then on defense, they're going to switch one through five and try to force you to not get those threes. They're going to try to funnel you towards the hoop, putting towards or for funny towards poor Zingas. They're going to switch. They have a big lineup.

Um, you know, it's tough to get a lot of, you know, shots off of them because they're crashing from the three point line and you have to hope that you're going to get transition threes and easy transition shots against them because they find so many ways to punish you on both sides of the ball. But if you don't generate enough threes and make enough threes, you won't beat them. Yeah. Do role players actually play better at home? Um, yeah, I think, uh, I mean, Jayden Hardy was the only one that really did anything for Dallas in game one.

I think he had what 13 points and in game two, they just, there wasn't really. You know, much help from that side, but then it's funny to talk about role players, six man, like you have poor Zingas that comes out, hits his first few shots, ends up getting 20 points in limited minutes I mean that's it just shows you how good of a team that Boston is but they play they play well at home I think Dallas will certainly do the same I think they'll shoot better I think they'll get more from from their X-Factors they were well balanced in game two throughout their starting lineup I think everybody

scored double figures but you know they going to need more to beat this team. Game one was certainly ugly. Game two, um, was, you know, better in terms of, you know, closer score and they gave them, uh, it was a lot more competitive game, but game three, there's certain things that need to happen as we talked about, but my boy Kyrie Irving really has to step up in Game 3. I was going to ask that because you obviously know Kyrie very well, won a title with him. Like what, do you think it's as easy as like he had two bad games and he can just flip the switch and like, you know, he's got to, because he does have to play better.

You know, going into this series, the Celtics are the better team overall. If Luca and Kyrie can play out of their mind, they have a fight of their chance. But right now Kyrie just hasn't played well. He hasn't played well and what was he, six for 19 and then seven for 18 in game two. You know, it's not only about hitting shots. He needs to, you know, when they come to double him or they switch off onto him, he has to continue to create. Like I was waiting in all the series leading up to the finals,

you always saw he kind of just let the game come to him in the first half and the second half he exploded. And then so I was just sitting there the first two games waiting for it, waiting for it, waiting for it. And yeah, he did have two bad games. Obviously he has the history there in Boston. I know he wants to prove himself and I don't care what he says. He doesn't care.

Maybe he likes those guys on that team, but he doesn't care for the city. Obviously, like we said, tomorrow game three is the series, they have to win that one. But in order for that to happen, Kyrie has to be himself and he just wasn't in those first two games. It's as simple as that, just shot making and his leadership this year has taken us such a huge stride and really taking that team to the next level. But it has to be that Batman and Robin with him and Luca.

Luca has, again, more than done his part and he's been excellent in his playoffs. And yeah, he needs Kyrie to be his wingman. Yeah, Luca might be the best player in the world right now. Do you have a top five? Ooh. A top five in the world? Yeah. Yeah. Top five in the world right now. Do you have a top five? Ooh, a top five in the world. Yeah. Yeah. Top five in the world is very important. Or is. Yeah, Joker is.

But I'm always like all things considered, right? So I think Joker is up there. Certainly, Luca, SGA and Bede, Giannis Giannis. I mean, like in Yonis, Yonis. I mean, like in that health plays a factor too. So like Joel, when he's at in peak form and he's feeling good, like if he was healthy throughout the playoffs, I believe that they, they do beat the Knicks,

but then the Knicks, it's like, they have guys banged up rant Randall's out. So everyone gets with teams as well. Everybody gets done. I mean, look at us, Jimmy was out. Um, Terry Rozier was out. So, you know, I think that that that health plays, you know a big part in all that but top top five Yeah, I'd probably say those guys Yeah, and I mean maybe not in that order but it's it's pretty close yeah, it's definitely those five though What? Yeah, it's definitely those five, though. Yeah, go ahead. Did you watch the end of the Timberwolves Maverick series

when Rudy Gobera was trying to play defense on Luca? And you were like, I did that against Steph Curry. I did. I didn't say exactly that when Rudy was guarding him, but I don't know. I was kind of torn on how I felt about if I wanted the Timberwolves to win or not, because I do like the way how the, you know, the way that their team is built.

Anthony Edwards, how can you not enjoy watching him and love watching him play and as a competitor, you know, they're playing different ways. I like how Nas Reed, Jay McDanils, all those guys play. But yeah, I think you get put on that island by somebody like Luca. It's like I said, I just, you know, we've gone over that play in 2016, probably 200 times within the film sessions, the scouting reports, the walkthrough. So you know, when I switched out onto Steph during that possession, I kind of just try to keep my feet down, force him into a tough shot. And listen, he just missed the shot. Everybody said, oh, this is great stop. He

kept his feet down, but he just missed the shot. Yeah. Now you locked him out. You locked him out. Come on. Yeah, I locked his ass out. But at the end of the day, if you're Rudy Gobert on any guard trying to switch out, he was on an island. I don't know what they were doing, where the help was, why they switched off. But I think, I don't know if it was McDaniels or who it was that they had gotten to switch. And when you slow it down, you had kind of seen his face just like, Oh man, here we go again. Yeah. And that was it. Yeah. All right. So in terms of like the Mavericks in that locker room right now, cause you obviously

famously you were on a team that was down two games, you were down three, one in the series against the Warriors. I know there's the whole, we can't panic, but what is it actually like? Is there, is there a nervous energy of like, we're, we're up against it right now? For sure. And I think that's also healthy, right? It, it, it, you, it's important to you. You want to feel like, all right, our backs up against the wall. And I've been on teams where not only 16, but even last year when everybody counted us out

and we made that finals run, our backs were against the wall. And we felt like that. We felt like it's just gonna be us. We have to step up. We have to play better, but we can also, especially at home, play into our crowd. We're going to need them.

It does matter. Home court advantage does matter. But everybody has to play their best. And I think in some ways, you also have to play like there's nothing to lose at the same time. You have to play free because you can't go out there and be shooting under 30% from three and expect to win. So you have to be loose. You have to be free.

And I think speaking of Kyrie Irvin too, I think he has to, you know, because he's done it all year, been a real leader for this team. And he's going to have to come out tomorrow and show them the way because he's won a championship. He knows what it takes. He's played extremely well in the finals a few times. And I think he's gonna be the one that's gonna have to set the tone for him. But I do think there's the healthy emotions and the appropriate fear of,

hey, if we don't win this game, this is probably it. So I think that Celtics also know, and Missoula also know, like, hey, this is gonna be their haymaker tomorrow that they're going to throw. We have to withstand that. But I know that Jason kiddle having, having ready for tomorrow. And on the reverse side, I mean, you've been in series where you're up to, Oh, do you find yourself having like, like, uh, we aren't playing with the same urgency because it does

feel like that's the path here for the maps. They obviously have to win game three and then you're hoping that game four is tight and you can go from there because there always does feel that psychology of game three, going back home, other teams up 2-0. Maybe they're not playing with the type of focus and energy that they should have. Yeah, I think it's, you know, some people's natural instinct is to relax or to think it comes. I shouldn't say easy but our route here to potentially winning a game three, which could be a series and championship deciding game. Just to pull it back a little bit is probably all that a team like Dallas needs to use their crowd,

to use the city, to use everybody stepping up and playing well to their advantage. But I do believe that there is something certainly to that when you talk about the psychology of the game. You see that happen a lot, guys. It's a natural instinct just to relax. All right, we're up two, oh, we have some breathing room. But I do believe that Tatum Brown, the guys that have been there a while are going to make sure that that isn't the case. But until you actually get out there, lace them up and toss the ball up, you just never know. Yeah. Yeah. It's going to be interesting. And you were talking about Kyrie's leadership ability that he has this year or seems to have he seems like he's kind of matured a whole lot this season

We're saying that actually he he needs to get back to like the wild Kyrie like this At least for this series. Yeah, just go on hinge bring the sage out Just yeah, you know bring them bring the walking stick in like if you do that and change that dynamic say the earth is flat again I think we might have a 40 point game out of Kyrie. Yeah, I like that. He absolutely should. But when you were playing with him, he might've been just a different guy because you mature as you get older.

That's kind of human nature. Is he a vocal leader? Do you know about him being a very vocal presence in the locker room at shoot around or did he keep to himself most often? Most often he kept to himself. But I think to his point, he knew when he spoke up or when he spoke up that, which wasn't often that guys were going to listen because he would catch you off guard when he did that. So he wanted to hang on his every word because he knew that it must have really been important to him for him to say something.

But I think he always, at least when he was around us, led by example and was one of those guys that was just incredible to play with and to watch. I tell everybody all the time, I've never seen a better, first of all, people talk about handle, talk about game. I think everybody says it now, but we looked at him and said, man, if he was 6'5 or 6'6, he'd be Kobe. And he already is so skilled, he has a crazy close step game, handle, shot selection, best under the rim finisher that I've ever seen. And in a five on five type of situation or scenario in practice, I've never seen anybody better. I've never seen anybody better than

Kyrie Irving. Yeah. What? So a question about coaching during the finals or the playoffs in general, has there been a specific moment where one of your coaches gave you guys a adjustment that like unlocked everything? Because I never know. You see adjustments throughout the series, but I never know how much it's overrated or it's underrated. If the coaching in a series, game to game, really does get a team like, oh, once they made this switch,

it just changed everything. Yeah, and I think now when you have all these advanced analytics and you have numbers that tell a story, there certainly are more adjustments to be made. But you know, it's such a, you know, a small ball and switching type of league now that you have to find ways to, you know, take advantage of that, you know as understand where and what the other team, where they're getting their best, where they're functioning at their best and where they're getting their most points per possession, depending on where we're sending a guy, are

we sending help, are we going to double team them, are we going to trap them, are we going to send the low man. I mean, there's so many different things, depending on the matchup, that dictate what those, you know, different changes are going to be throughout the course of a game, the course of a series. Could be a lineup change. There's just so many different decisions

that have to be made throughout the course of a seven-game series. And I'm sure there's one coming here in game three. What that is, I don't know. I think Boston obviously is going to run it back and play the same way. But Jason kid is going to find a way to, uh, you know, unlock them on the offensive end, which is, um, you know, going to be huge for them in game three. Yeah. I mean he already tried the Jalen Brown is the best team or player on the Celtics. Yeah. Do you think that was a little desperate because it's like it was gay after game one and also those guys we were we were joking on on Sunday like it

feels like it was maybe like three or four years too late to do that because it might have worked four years ago with those two guys but it feels like they've been through so many wars together and matured so much that they are kind of, yeah, they don't care anymore and they just want to win. Yeah. And it's funny. They, I think, uh, the, the, it was posted drew drew holiday, like, Hey, did you hear what Jason, Jason kid had said about, uh, Jalen Brown being the best player. He's like, well, he is. Like, okay, what's the follow up to that? There's no follow up. And then, you know, Tatum after game two was like,

man, Gali, I need to, he literally said Gali too. That's not me saying that. He said, you know, he's like, I need to make some shots. But he's like, why is it, why am I focusing on myself right now making shots where we're winning two basketball games, other guys are playing great and we, you know, haven't won a championship. Um, what in 15, six, however many years it's been, oh wait, um,

why would I care about myself missing shots right now? So J, I mean, JB has been, Jim Brown has been great for them throughout the playoffs and at times he really is their best player. So I do think it was, yeah, maybe a few years too late. There's, you know, too much scar tissue. There's too many layers to be peeled back, uh, you know, after so many tough losses for them, whether you're in the finals, Eastern Conference finals, um, that, no, they don't, they don't care. They don't, they don't care. They don't give a shit.

Yeah. Yeah. Probably smart on their part. Like they've dealt with this enough. If you say at the start of a season, maybe it gets in the guy's head, but they're like, this is too important right now. We're in the NBA finals. This is what we work for.

Those mind game. Jason, kids going to need to like spill a couple more Gatorades. I think like step up, step up. Yeah. The Gatorade throw smart, man. Yeah. That's a great adjustment. I've never seen that before. It was really good. like step up, step up. Yeah, the Gatorade throw, smart man. Yeah. Smart. That's a great adjustment.

I've never seen that before. Yeah, it was really good. Gotta ask you about Bill Walton. So you guys have the UCLA connection. Bill was, we can't call him a friend of ours. We had him on the show one time, but he's such a unique dude and an interesting person that he's a guy that will leave a mark on you

whenever you meet him. I'm assuming you got to spend a fair amount of time with bill and just curious snow from your perspective like Any any great bill Walton stories or anything that's gonna stick with you about getting to hang out with him just the type of person He was I think that I was very fortunate to have been around him and got to spend time around Coach wooden and bill Walton at the same time which for to have been around him and got to spend time around Coach Wooden and Bill Walton at the same time, which for a 17 year old was incredibly special. I think at the time, I like to say it wasn't lost on me, but looking back and

really understanding who they were and what they meant to the game of basketball. Obviously, Coach Wood in the overall game, but certainly the college basketball game, but Bill just everywhere. I mean, he was a force of nature, somebody who was bigger than the game itself, made people feel a certain way, not only about him, but about life. Every time you were around him, you just felt like what life is supposed to be about, like the goodness of him and him.

But I can remember the first time that I spoke to him was when I was 16 years old, I was getting recruited by UCLA, Coach Ben Halland was,and was, he wanted me to take a call and it was about a 30 minute call cause Bill likes to speak. And he just told me probably two minutes about UCLA basketball, a couple minutes about Coach Wooden and the tradition of excellence.

But then he spoke about Pet Sounds, the Grateful Dead, the Beach Boys, in that era for about 25 minutes. And I was like, man, wasn't that, that guy was special. But he was just somebody who, again, I watched growing up, I watched the Boston Celtics Outlet drills, I watched him on that 86 team, being a six man, they always said playing when he wanted to. Leaned on stories about him from

Kevin McHale my first year in Minnesota, obviously furthering the big man tradition at UCLA was a huge thing for me. Me going there in 07, 08 and seeing his photo everywhere, hearing all the stories. And it's funny, I know I'm a little bit all over the map here, but Bill was, he's just a very special guy that meant so much to the league and he will be solely missed. Yeah. All right so Kevin this has been awesome. We love having you on. I had one last question for you. It's a row back question. R-H-O-B-A-C-K.com promo code TAKE. 20% off your first purchase. Q-zips, polos, hoodies, joggers, shorts. Rowback.com promo code TAKE. Go right now. So the Olympics coming up. Are you waiting to see if you make the team? I'm not going to make the team this time. We need to stand up for Kevin Love like people are doing for Caitlin Clark.

Be like this bullshit. Please if you want to grow the game you have love in the Olympics. Yeah. This is bullshit. But you did win a gold medal in 2012 in London. How awesome is it playing on the Olympic team? Just being like, we're fucking, we're so much better than everyone. It's pretty awesome. But you know, and a lot of these teams that you play against, especially

now the world game across the board has gotten so much better. Um, and you see, uh, of those players that we mentioned earlier in the top five, what are four, four out of the five, um, non-American, right? So it's amazing to see where the game has gone even since 2012, uh, with the Olympics in 2010, where the, the world championship is where the game has gone even since 2012 with the Olympics in 2010 with the World Championships where the game has grown to and also crazy, you know, when you when I look at those photos and you know, you look to your left or your left, you look to your right and you're like, okay, it's Kobe, young Kevin Durant, LeBron, Carmelo, Russell Westbrook.

Yeah, it's just like, it's pretty wild to see, just how good that team was. But now you look in 2024, what that team is gonna look like. If MB doesn't be play, in the starting five and throughout their entire team, who they're gonna put on the floor is really gonna be special to watch. And even though I didn't get picked for the team, I will still tune in and make sure that I'm, uh, I'm checking that out. Although the, the women's, I don't know if Kevin Clark's on the team, I might not watch

everyone. Say, yeah, we're all boycotting. Yeah. Yeah. Do you agree that if Jason Tatum was from Eastern Europe, that he would be in a top five that he would be in the top five? Yeah. A lot of people are having the conversation. If he was from Eastern Europe that he would be in a top five. That he would be in the top five? Yeah. A lot of people are having the conversation. If he was from Eastern Europe. Is it anti-American bias? Hank is just mad. Hank is mad because Jason Tatum is the sixth best guy or seventh best player in the league

and he gets upset that people don't put him as the third best player. No, this is a lie. They're gassing. There's levels to this. There's a lot of chatter that, yeah, if best player, best team, should he be in the top five? Plays defense unlike Luka. Oh, Hank's getting spicy.

Oh, Hank's getting spicy. That's gotta mean something. No, I think listen It's yeah, it's it's tough to say I feel like this league is so It's so much based on like your scoring output now all the rules everything is pretty much you know Manufactured in order for guys to score So I think you look at a guy like Luca who's averaging, you know, he's at 30 and 31, 32, 33, 34, 35 points a game,

you know, and yeah, he's, they basically put him on the, you know, weak side block to play defense. So he just kind of has to tag guys in the, but he gets to save all his energy for offense. His offense isn't defense, but no, I get what you mean like Missoula. He does a great job of making sure that everybody that comes in, you have to guard your man and if you switch you have to make it hard for the next guy, I think Tatum does a really good job of that.

But yeah, I think it's hard for a lot of people to put him in their top five. And is that fair? I don't know, but if he ends up winning a championship, I don't really think he'll give a shit. And you won't either, Hank. Yeah, you won't either. We need the maps to at least win one game because it sucks that we're two games into the NBA finals and we're doing like where's Jason Tatum ranked.

But that's what Hank does to us. Shut up.'t I have never cared about the gas lights. I'm a results guy. I just want to win. Kevin I got two games in. They have to win and Hanks like hey I know a guest we should have on it. It's Kevin Love. Yeah. Yeah. He is our producer. Yeah. When it comes to the Olympics what was that like for you? Did you have to stay in the same Olympic Village as like every other athlete or was there a special section for? multi-millionaire superstar basketball players The latter there was a special section for us you know kind of in the epicenter of London at the time so we

We didn't we didn't stay in the Olympic village, which was upsetting because it was, I mean, it's like you're, you're, you know, back in a college type atmosphere and you're in, you're in the dorms and you just get to be around every other country, every other athlete and, you know, kind of break bread with them. But we, we visited, but we, USAB, we kind of had our spot off to the side and, um, took a bit, a little bit tougher route logistically to get to where we needed to be. But again, staying in the village would have been, uh, an experience. Yeah. All right. Well, Kevin, thank you as always, man. We appreciate it. When the heat

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and it is not excused, per Robert Sala. So he's gonna get fined he said Rogers had a previous engagement an event that is important to him wait minicamp no one goes to minicamp it's not excused it's not excuse all right he's at an event who cares the ayahuasca Olympics hmm he's probably doing some politics stuff maybe maybe at the sweet so it's not a company. Why would he why would why would Roberts? Why would he just say it's excuse and not make it a whole? Like you're just basically asking for it to be a headline. Yeah reason. Yeah. Good job memes way to figure it out

Yeah, this is nothing burger. Nothing burger. Nothing. He's been all voluntary OTAs unexcused right so but that's our point if it is a nothing burger. Nothing burger. Nothing. He's been to all voluntary OTAs. Unexcused. Right, so, but that's our point. If it's a nothing burger, why wouldn't you just make it a nothing burger? Yeah, and he should have just said it's excused and then you give the Florios of the world the headline. Oh, the Florios. Right.

Right. What does that mean, the Florios? How many Florios are there? There's so many Florios. Okay, name your top three floreos right now based on the two I saw So floreos one, uh-huh. Okay, Matt Miller. He's an NFL scout. We've floreos the number one floreo floreos number one and still Still yeah, Matt Miller to I just saw I think he works for ESPN and Diana's eating to I just saw I think he works for ESPN and Diana Rossini. Diana's the number three Florio. Yeah. Wow. Sounds like a little anti-Italian bias there. Matt Miller.

Include Rich Samini in there. Through Matt Miller in there. Rich is fine. So wow Diana is the damn number three Florio. Brutal. Okay we've got a lot of Florio's out there a lot of Florio's also max what's this Ben Simmons Jason Tatum thing you keep retweeting I did people people kept tagging me in it and I just wanted to tell them to stop tagging me okay so what is it I was just it was just like a stat line that said that Ben Simmons had better stats than Jason Tatum does in these playoffs in what way are in the finals Ben Simmons had better stats than Jason Tatum does in these playoffs. In what way?

In the finals. Ben Simmons was in the finals? No, no, no, just like in his career compared to these finals. And his regular season career? Jason Tatum was just playing like Ben Simmons in these finals. He's averaging almost a triple double. So did Ben Simmons. In the regular season.

Yeah, but that's fine. And what happened in the playoffs? I told people to stop tagging me. Do you think that this is a good strategy to told people to stop tagging me. Do you think that this is a good strategy to get people to stop tagging you and stuff? Yes, I wanted them to stop. That's all. It's just sad how much people hate it. I agree.

It's just not- But even reading the first question that Memes sent, Memes hands picks these and he goes, hey PMT boys and Mavs, Max, my take is that Jason Tatum is the NBA equivalent of Brock Purdy. Like that is just, you have to reach so hard as a hater to come to that conclusion. You really do I respect it though same with Ben Simmons. I respect it. He's a he's a system guard or system number three It's the okay, but Hank you are partially to blame for this now. Yes, you are Because the Jason Tatum discourse sucks because people try to put him in this top three, top

five range. He's not. But there's a big difference. Like Jason Tatum is an awesome player. I think the best leader of the team that's the best team in the NBA and then potentially wins the NBA championship. Yeah, those conversations deserve to be had. Luka doesn't play defense.

Jason Tatum is awesome. Jason Tatum is not on the same level as Luka and Jokic and like Janis. It's just not the same. But I don't really care as much about the individual discourse. But the problem is- I just want the Celtics to win. But the problem is whenever- no, because that's- But it's crazy how much people like Jason Tatum-

Oh wait, wait, wait. That's not true because every time I've said, when said Luca was better than Tatum you're like you're a fucking Tatum hater You got mad at me for that Yeah, okay, so then it's not true that like that's my point is that you get when I see what just diminish him They give him like oh, he's not a fucking top five top ten like Shay has been good for one year But when I say that that's not true. When I say that- Top five level?

No, but he's been, he's not, it's not just this is the first year that he's ever been good at basketball. As a top five player. He was really good the year before, wasn't he really good the year before? And actually- I would not say he was a top five player. No, he wasn't. But Tatum is not, Tatum is not a top five player either.

He's like seven, is fine which is awesome but that's it's close enough where the conversation can be had. Oh no I think there's levels to it that it's very good putting shy in there and just being like oh yeah he's 100 percent top five. I didn't good year. I didn't say she was it was was in the top five right. Got it. I also I'm you're you pretending like you don't get triggered anytime anyone says anything even remote. No bad about Tatum is a fucking I don't mind people saying this is Max. You're right. You go into X loves because he knows I'm right Once you go liar first, I'm open to criticism. I'm open to discourse

Once you throw Ben Simmons Ben Simmons for the record I didn't want people to tag me in that but But you're, you're, you're being completely disingenuous. No, this is your gaslighting here. No, no, I'm not. You're pretending. Hank, Hank's saying I am completely open to criticism. Open to criticism is ridiculous. I take more criticism than anyone else.

Yeah, I mean, you're not open to it. I'm super open to it. Bring it on. I think you invite me every day. You invite criticism. But yeah, I exist. Yes. That's the issue. Yeah, that to it. Bring it on. I get I think you invite on me every day you invite criticism By I exist. Yes, that's the issue. Yeah, that's it Also, this stack comparison is it's very funny because it's comparing Tatum's finals of which we have a sample size of two games Well, no, he falls warriors. No 2024 finals

It's it's just this year's finals and it's being compared to Simmons entire rookie year and also only outside of the restricted area. So they just kept throwing like little caddies. I defended Tatum's game two performance when people were saying he was trash. You are a dish in genuous. You are. That's not true. You are. Because you, anytime I would say that Tatum is not in that upper level, level you'd be like you fucking just hate him So this is still unwritten volume six seven is not an insult. I never said it was yes You have but I think a conversation could be made to for column five So the the fact is his game too if you're just basing it

I should wouldn't beat is in the average player or not an like did the standard average in the game player Jason when they should matter played a good game compared to matter the guys is in the car average player are not an like the standard average winning player jason tatum played a good game compared to average the guys on your team did not play a good game compared to like what you would expect from a top five player staying healthy should matter sure but the guys on your team matter the celtas have an awesome team tatum's an awesome player he's not the same as the top three or four guys in the league you're making people hate j Taylor. Yes. That's my point. He has made it because I'm reacting to you. He wants Jason Taylor to be considered in the level of the best player in the league. He's just not, but that's okay. It doesn't matter. It doesn't mean that he's

bad. He's really fucking good. He's going to have a career where he's like the fifth to seventh best player for a decade plus. It's going to be a hall of fame career. You said five, six to seventh best player for a decade plus. It's crazy. Anytime you are anytime somebody hates on Jason Tatum, they're really hating on Hank and you're, you're, you're becoming an avatar of, uh, of everybody that is a pain in the ass to root for Hank. Yeah, whatever. I'm just defending my guy. Which I respect. What is your guys' thoughts on if college football did a March Madden style bracket with 68

instead of their playoffs? You'd have so much football and hit on so many overs all the way from Canada. Are you talking about the regular season? Yeah, that'd be the regular season, no. Football wouldn't work. What do you think is the perfect number of teams for college football playoffs?

I kind of like 12. I think 16, get four extra games. I kind of like 12. Well, I think they need to get rid of, they need to get rid of the conference championship because that feels like it should just be the top two are automatically in. The conference championship should actually be the third and the fourth best team playing to get into the college football playoff, not the first and second.

That would get like Michigan and Ohio State though are going to be playing for the same Michigan, Ohio State play for a conference championship. They're both already going to be in the playoff. Yeah. So it's like an added game that doesn't really, I know it's the home home field advantages at stake, but I would, the only thing I would like to see is like I would like, I I'm always in favor of as many ways for teams to play their way in. Yeah. Leave it less to the voters. It would be weird though, if it was a conference championship and it was the third and the fourth best. You just didn't call it a conference championship game. You just called it a play in game. Yeah., yeah So you know what I mean? Like I I like being able to play as many games on the field as possible

So it's not a judge Judged like oh this team's resume verse this team's resume. Just play it out Yeah, maybe get Florida State to play against the second place team in the big ten Yeah, Florida State can beat them then they're in 16 teams 16 at 12 to 16 is good, but I hope they don't expand it any further than that No, no, I I think that's the limit because once you get past 1260 did its teams that are have some big flaws that would really I don't think like deserve to play for a

national title Hey big cat PFT Hank and my brother Max from Philly. Not enough people are talking about how Luca doesn't play defense and that if Jason Tatum was wait Europe then everyone would be glazing him as hard as. Wait I thought he said it up for you. Yeah this is a good one. Oh interesting. If Jason Tatum was European if he was if he was Slovak, what would happen? You didn't even read the Brock Purdy one. Yeah, you didn't read the Brock Purdy.

Well, yeah, I stopped at the first sentence because it was so stupid. Yeah, right. But you were- It basically just said that Brock Purdy has good players around him and he's a good player, but he has good players around him, which makes him a better player. But remember, Hank's open to criticism. He just won't finish the question. Well, you just started screaming.

No, you started. You said I'm disingenuous. No, you said that it means. That's a bold. Those are fighting words. You are. I'm not. I'm genuous as fuck.

OK. Brock Purdy was almost the MVP. True. Take that as a compliment. Yeah. Would you say that Brock Purdy is one of the top three QBs at any point? It's it's the no I would not. Oh interesting. And the fact that like it's he said nothing

but success. Brock Purdy has not had nothing but success. He literally has had nothing but success. He's a six round draft draft order now. Well, yeah, if you have nothing but success He would have been successful in college who had been successful, you know, he would have got drafted higher How far how successful was Jason Tatum in college? He scored a lot. He was good. Brock Purdy scored a lot in drafted three AWL Robbie from mass which will happen first the process being completed or max during the lottery ball Oh, that's a good question room. The problem is the process we've talked about this will never be complete. They can keep it going forever It's always up for debate. Yeah. Yeah, it's really the butterfly effect Unless they win then and then it's complete then it's complete. Yeah, but that's not gonna happen. Yeah All right last one. What's up, Maddie?

My theories of Tennessee Titans draft Matt liner not Vince young the Titans would have won at Least one Super Bowl no Oh 304 USC wins the Natty back-to-back Oh 5 the Titans hire norm chow USC makes it back the natty no five and narrowly lose to Texas the tits owner But Adam being a Texas guy drafts young with third overall the tits end up drafting Lindell white in the second and line heart went 10th overall now You cannot tell me if we had almost three Pete national champ OC Heisman QB backup power back and Two years later drafts C J 2k that the tits wouldn't have at least one one Super Bowl

It's some all-time fanfiction. These are also the years Titans had Bullock KVB and PFTs boy Albert Haynes worth on defense and should hear thoughts So basically you're saying like just keep USC together Yeah, they're yeah, they're trying to do with the Eagles they're like the Eagles yeah the Knicks The Eagles too, but Knicks with the Georgia. Yeah, but yeah next with Nova I Don't I don't mind this level of cope because then you can just look back and say yeah We basically basically won a Super Bowl. Yeah, but also Vince Young was very very good his rookie year Yeah, he showed some promise. Yeah, and now when rookie of the year he did yeah And now he's reduced to playing Pro-ams on the golf tour. Yeah doing interviews

Wasn't he on Madden cover? He was. Yes, he was. Wow. Hank, do you feel like we didn't end this thing? No, we're good. We got two games left. Taylor comes on the road.

I just can't wait for him to drop like 240 pieces and wins. And then it's like literally one. So what happens if he doesn't? And we win the championship? That he's still the leader of a championship team. Hank have you thought about what has to happen if you if the Celtics win? Yes. Someone reminded me that. Yeah. You have to shave your head. Okay. Great. Yeah. I'll get to it. Good. When what do you mean you'll get to it? I mean we just don't like I'll get to it. You're just never going

to do it. Eventually. When's when's that you see you told Derek White you would do it and I will. And we'll have Derek White back on and be like where why isn't your head shaved. If he's what's your answer. If he's here if he comes back in here. No no no no. You said that you would do it. I will do it. That's my only I get my word. No I give you my word that I will shave my head if the Sully swimmer championship. So when he comes back on the, you'll make sure that your head shaved for him. I will do it Are you saying that you're not gonna do it now? I will do it So are you but when Derek White is back on the show after the cells win the title and he's like, hey Where's my guy Hank? He still doesn't have a perm. I'm like I have at least two years

I don't know when when that bet was from but you've given me a two-year window to shave my head. All-time deflections. Once you get the perm, that's when the window closed. That's the statute of limitations. When we have to pay off our bets. Get the perm people. Just call up the perm. Get the perm people. Get the perm on the line.

I'm willing to do the perm at any time. He's always been willing to do the perm. That's what I'm saying. I will shave my head. Always willing. I will definitely shave my head. Memes told me what's happening in the live stream when I got the tattoo I was ready to do both don't know what happened to the perm person Yeah, don't but but once you close the perm bet then that's the window that I have to shave my head this no Hank

You're being now you're being disingenuous. He's being he's being very just genuine as fuck all day You're the you're the leader of the show Hank. You are the host of part of my take you're the host You're being Genuous Hank no, I'm being genuous. I don't think it's a word it is and Hank's being it It's literally just look at Hank right now disingenuous. Wait, you don't think disingenuous is a word. No, it's genuous Oh, no, genuous definitely. Yeah. Yeah, that's fine. Genuine genuine. Yeah, he's been a genuine genuine Winona rider It is why known a judd that's where I learned why not? Oh, but that doesn't it's Winona rider She's gonna she's gonna take whatever I call her

disingenuous I'm a man of my word What bet have I not paid up wait we need to go back and look at at the actual transcript of that because I'm pretty Did you say that there was like a time timeframe when you shave your head? No. Yeah. Right after. No, as, as you guys were saying it, I knew I'll stop it. Like, Oh, that was a perm bet. You in the back of your head that the perm bet. Well, it's like you guys have set the example. You guys are the leaders of the show and why not done? I don't know. I could, I could find something. Okay. But PFT like I'm willing to do the term factor fiction. Like there's not the drum. The perm hurts. The perm hurts.

If there's, if there's a perm, if there's a perm capable person that's in the building right now, I'll get a perm right now. It's never, I've never tried to stop the perm. I've actively encouraged. All right. Let's finish up numbers. I will shave my head if the Celtics win the championship. For Derek White when he comes back on? Next season. No. Do you think that maybe-

You don't have a choice. Again, you can talk to him. If you're upset with me, get upset with him. All right. So if you're upset with me, look in the mirror, buddy. Worst case scenario, when was the perm bet that was the Eagles that's October November December January February March April May June eight months. Okay great middle of December. Look at the transcript. Thanks said yeah I'll shave my head when we win. When you said when we win. All right numbers 8 18 23 What you say 20 I said 20 I'll do 56 yeah you paused on it. I don't know what was going on there Yeah, that's all me you ever gotten it. Hey, you know no you want to switch. I just said that no you did no

You don't want to? 88 21 88 21 44 I'm too sad to say I've said it anyway Today's a night, a day to finally shine away I'll be coming for your love again Take on me Take me on I'll be gone

In a day or two It's the same, I ought to say that It's about me, it's the world over It's all in the life, it's okay Say I'm to me Is it better to be safe than sorry? Say I'm to me Is it better to be safe than sorry? Take me Is it better to be safe than sorry? Take on me

Take me on I'll be on In a day or two Oh, the things that you say, yeah, they're a little unloved Just to play those words away Are all the things I've got to remember Will you shine away? I'll be coming for you anyway

Will you shine away? I'll be coming for you anyway Take on me, take me on I'll be gone in a day Thanks for watching!