Pardon My Take - Kevin Love, Mystery Teams, And Jamal Murray Is Insane

Episode Date: August 31, 2020

Sports are back and we recap the weekend while watching Jamal Murray go off in Game 6 of the Nuggets/Jazz series (2:28 - 7:51). College Football is back, sort of (7:51 - 15:01). Who's back of the week including Bronny Jr and the big NFL trade Sunday (15:01 - 25:43). Kevin Love joins the show for an awesome interview where we talk about everything from the '16 Cavs, being teammates with Lebron, UCLA, fat Kevin Love, mental health and more (25:43 - 114:32). Segments include Billy's list and lottery machine numbers.You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/PardonMyTake

Hey, pardon my take listeners, you can find every episode on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or YouTube. Prime members can listen, ad-free, on Amazon Music. On today's part of my take, we have an extra long interview with Kevin Love, five-time NBA All-Star, gold medalist, NBA champion. We get into everything. We get into the Cavs, we get into his time with LeBron, we get into college, UCLA, Bill Alton, pretty much everything.

And it was an awesome interview. We sat there, we talked, it was a casual conversation. Also we might be in... His dog was there too. His dog was there, very cute. We might be in the market for a new Blake. You'll find that out when you listen to his interview. What else we got?

Oh, we got sports are back. We have who's back of the week. We have the lottery machine going to pick everyone right now. If you're sitting here and your friend's also an AWL, just decide what number you're going to pick and then bet it. We'll do that at the end of every show. And we also have Billy's List. And Billy's going to do Hank's Taxes for him.

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Today is Monday, August 31st and we are watching Sports on TV. It is technically sports season. The fall that wasn't going to happen, I don't know about you Big Cap, but I saw college football on Saturday night. Oh, I saw college football on Saturday as well. It was a terrible game, but that doesn't matter. I also, oh my God, this game, we're watching Utah Denver Game 6, so for anyone, all the Jazz Nuggets fans, like, you never talk about the game, here's me talking about the game.

We're watching it. After, was it Wednesday's show when we said that the Jazz and the Nuggets are the same team? They are. We sat down, we did some sporkles. We sporkled and Jake actually forgot about the Jazz because he remembered the Nuggets. They should allow whoever wins this game or whoever wins the series, they should just allow them to pick up like four players from the other team and move forward.

So yeah, we had some college football on Saturday night. It was exciting to get the juices flowing, even though it was a crappy game. But we also had this weekend, the first sign, you know, when the temperature gets below 80 and you're like, ooh, is that fall? Is that fall blowing in here? It's not there yet. But is it, they're never going to score again in this fucking game. I thought about putting on, I thought about putting on long pants this weekend.

Yeah. I stepped outside. I was like, maybe I shouldn't wear shorts. I was like, no, that's crazy talk. It's still August. I'm rocking my shorts. But yeah, there was like a chili breeze, which was nice. It felt glorious.

So we did just go through what like the college football schedule looks like the bones of the college football schedule. It was sad to go through what we too would have looked like with, I think it was like Oregon and Ohio State and Texas LSU, but let's not talk about that. Let's talk about sports that we can control right now. The Lakers are on to the next round. The Blazers, that was fun, but it's over. The Mavs are eliminated as well.

That was also fun, but it's over. Luca is a people. I love when the Clippers finished off the Mavs. The whole story was, well, Luca's arrived. Yeah. He's arrived. He's a superstar. And I'm not going to argue with that, but they also lost the series in the first round.

Yeah. But he's arrived. Yeah. He has arrived. They did. It was like, well, you need to put the pieces around. If you get the right pieces around Luca, then they could contend for a championship. And it's like, yeah, you can say that about a lot of good players.

Right. If you put the right pieces around them. They also, they didn't have Chris stops. Yeah. So Przingis was out. I think the series would have been a little bit different. They also, they also finally had to meet playoff P who showed up in the last two games. Playoff P has arrived.

They also may only scored 15 points today actually. So whatever. Playoff Morris. Playoff Morris. Dude, Marcus Morris is such an asshole. The look on his face when he just straight up swung on Luca was hilarious. Such an asshole. And then, then Jeff Van Gundy was like, try to figure out like, should I go down the

route of saying like this happened in the nineties? This was just a normal, like hard foul. And then he had a bunch of people online tweeting, you know, getting really into it. Like, oh, if this was, this was how they just shook hands in the eighties. Right. Punching you in the face. Right. Back when basketball players used to just like, they would throw live scorpions at each other

on the court. Back when men were men. Yeah. Shaq was Shaq was like, Hey, this is just hard basketball is like Shaq, you were fucking 700 pounds. Right. Like you can handle someone just slapping you, you know, on the head. They're never going to score again in this Denver, Utah game.

And I have the over. And they're never. So I just started taping this podcast. Actually, since PFT said you're good, which was such a fucked up thing to say. Why would you say that? You're good. Only two points. You're such a jerk.

You're good. I was trying to offer support. No, but you said you're good. No, I said you're good. And then there's no chance you would be very happy right now if they were, you would not be blaming anything on me. But you can't say you're good. You were good.

52 points. No, I'm not. I get 52 points. Just get out of bed in the morning. I'm not good. All right. Hank, congratulations on your Celtics winning game one wagon. Killed them.

Killed the Raptors. Was never close. Was never really close. It really wasn't. How are you feeling? Are you feeling like there's maybe some championship? Oh, yeah. Today was a big one.

I mean, we're going to smoke the Raptors. Hopefully, you know, all the analysts, like everyone was picking the Blazers as, you know, the team to watch out for last round. Everyone's saying the heat now. They're like, Oh, everyone, you know, they match up well with the Bucks like they could beat them. If we play the heat in the conference finals, I think we would smoke them too. Oh, wow.

Are you saying that about the heat? I'm saying that. Did you just hear me say that? I bet on the heat to beat the Bucks. Oh, Charles Barkley. Like the whole NBA obviously. Oh, Charles Barkley. All right.

Yeah, I'm glad. Blazers were going to sweep the Lakers. It was funny, the clip that was, I think I retreated this morning of the Lakers being an underdog winning 4-1 because half of, you know, sports media had the Blazers beating the Lakers somehow. They're never going to score again. PFT is all on you. We just wanted fun.

You're good. I'm going to stop saying that. Just say the opposite. Okay, dude. Fucking dammit. Big cat, you're fucked. Yeah, I know. Like honestly, I was trying to gas you up, but you're definitely fucked.

It's not going to happen. Of course I am. Of course I am. All right. What else is going on? We have, what else is going on in sports? What else we got? Golf?

Big 10's coming back. Big 10's coming back. Oh, dude, that golf was so good today. It was really good. It was so good. Dustin Johnson. Hats off to the course for putting on a good showing up until the very last, the course had no clutch gene.

Yes. He did the entire weekend, just spanked the shit out of all the golfers. And then Rom hits what, a 65 or 65 foot putt? After Justin Johnson hit one on the 18th that he needed to go to the extra was it was incredible golf golf. Is golf having a moment? I think it is having. And you know what?

I was just thinking about this. What America needs right now more than anything is something like we need a miracle and I something that everybody can root for and be on the same team pulling the same way. What we need is Tiger Woods to be in contention on Sunday at the U.S. Open because like you remember at the Masters, everybody gets behind Tiger on Sundays. We need a moment in America where we're not at each other's throats or Brooks or Brooks either way. Hopefully both.

Brooks, people would get. Yeah. Actually, no, I think one or the other. I don't want to have to root against Tiger on Sunday, but I will if Brooks isn't contentioned. I am. We were joking about it, but like this is why we never should have killed Saddam Hussein because he was he was the guy we just like bring up every 10 years like that's the bad guy.

Who's the bad guy? That's the bad guy. Yeah. Just run back to Iraq war every 10 years. Dude, that guy, he's a fucking asshole. Yeah. All of our problems. What we should do.

Problem solved. We should elect a bush every 10 years and then reinvade Iraq and then everyone is like, yeah, go USA. Fuck yeah. We're at war. And now we're good. And then we all forget about fighting against each other or Tiger be good at golf or Tiger. I'm going to say one or the other.

I don't think that low energy Jeb is going to win this year. So let's just get behind Tiger Woods right now, whatever's the easiest. But it is. It was a good sports weekend. There was I looked at that like Saturday board and it was, I think I had, I think I bet on every single sport. I had WNBA, MLS, MLS is back. There was some weird soccer.

I swear to God in England, they just create more and more of these cups and trophies that it's like, I thought I had a grip on it. And then Arsenal was just playing Liverpool for like the community award trophy. I saw that was like the community shield. What is going on right now? How is this really a cup? Yeah. But the MLS is back again and then it's about to be back again in two weeks.

So back. Why does it? Why does the MLS even have an off season? They should just play year round, right? Why do they have a season? They should just be the sport that's on TV or don't play times the week and you just stumble across it. You probably get more viewers from just like happenstance when there's no other sports

on at all. Or they should just make it penalty kicks all the time. Dude, the penalty kick channel, like the red zone, MLS was just all penalty kicks all the time. I'd be in a penalty kicks and in between every penalty kick, it's like it's either porn or it's like those like 15 second pre-rolls that you see on YouTube. So you sell an ad like every 15 or could just be. So what happens to me often is I watch the Cubs game on the MLB package and afterwards

they run these ads and it's pretty much always just like, hey, you thought you were cooking your steak correctly. Well, here's how you should do it. And I just end up watching 20 minutes of some attractive lady and some fat bozo with a chef's hat cooking steak in front of a live studio audience and I can't turn away. It's always like some weird painted copper kettle that you cook it into like some weird and incredible. You know what?

I think I just solved the MLS's problem. Just call every game in the TV guide listing. Just have it say like, try not to come challenge DC United versus Orlando and boom, you click on that. We're ready to go. I bet you I won't nut. Yeah. So it's been a great weekend for sports.

It was a great weekend for sports. We got some good second round matchups coming. Oh, I forgot to mention that the Rockets are now back because Russ is back and I really, really want to see the Rockets versus the Lakers because that is a Frankenstein series. It's going to be like the Rockets are going to play no one over six, six and the Lakers are going to play everyone over six and then you're going to get people saying like Dan Tony's system is Mickey Mouse basketball, but it's still going to beat the Lakers. Right.

LeBron James is going to it's going to be a flop out. It makes no sense. Those two teams playing each other and I'm very excited for it. I want that to go seven LeBron James and James Harden driving at each other, both of them flopping at the same time. That's going to be must see TV. Yes. Yes.

All right. So let's get to our who's back. Hank, you are going to have Billy do your taxes, correct? Absolutely not. We were talking about it before the show and Billy was like, dude, I'm basically a CPA. Billy was like, I'm sick with money. He said, I took a class. I was like, Billy, I'm fully as capable as Googling the things that you would Google

if you get my taxes. Yeah. Billy will get nice with Quicken. Let me ask you a question. Did you get a $500 from Cash App last week? I didn't. Exactly. I'm a genius.

Yeah. CPA Billy. True. Don't have to report that on your taxes. Well, now you do. Yeah. It was a gift. That's your CPA.

You don't have to report it. Yeah, that's true. Under $5,000. Shawshank Redemption. No, $10,000. No, $20,000. $10,000. Yeah.

Whatever they said in Shawshank. And Billy's profession at Microsoft Excel as per his resume that he gave us three years ago. I actually know how to use Excel. How many people do you think have fucked up their taxes just based on like one Shawshank tidbit? Probably so many. Yeah.

In Shawshank. We're good. Like I can just give these gifts and we never have to pay taxes on any of it. All right. Let's get to who's that. But then they can break out of jail easier because they know all these tickets later. That's true. That's true.

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Hank. My who's back of the week is LeBron James losing in the finals. Oh. So you might be saying to yourself, well, you know, it's only the first round, how could that be true? That's what I was saying. Shot clock violation. God fucking damn it.

That's the worst. I mean, how do you have a shot clock violation? Yeah, when you have NBA. It's tough. All right. You're not going to get this. What a joke. LeBron James has a son, also named LeBron James and today he joined the FaZe Clan Esports

organization who had a call of duty championship match also this afternoon, which they lost. Oh. You know what? I'm counting that three and seven in the finals, LeBron James lost the championship today. Correct. So he lost another game in the first round, you might say. So the Blazers still alive.

No, it was the championship. Yeah. But it's while LeBron James was technically kind of in the first nose today. Oh, fuck. All right. You were wrong about the blazers. All right. So, so, Brony, technically, technically, yes, I was wrong about the blazers.

If you want to split hairs, if you really want to get into it, I'll admit it. If you want to play a numbers game and be a be a big fucking nerd about it. Yeah. They lost in they didn't win in five games technically. The only other thing that's weird about this is like, obviously he's the number one, you basketball prospect if all the other prospects start signing with like e-sports organizations I don't know how that's gonna work with college once you know they're going to oh so we're gonna snitch on brawny so well the one and done

rule is gonna be gone soon so what percentage of phase clan does coach K-one right that's my question it's dark money that's going into no one knows who finances it right it'll be interesting to see you know obviously with him being a little brawn James of his generation how like that's gonna work multiple sports yes okay you'd be a pro gamer but a an athlete a student athlete you can't go zero dark 30 if you're a professional e-gamer though right you can't log off correct right he just has to quit playing basket his version is stopping exercising while he's like in the finals for phase clan I like that

that's good who's back thanks pft my who's back in the only one by the way okay my who's back in the week is mystery teams yeah mystery teams are back in baseball so does anyone know when the trade deadline is this July 31st great yeah it's like the hot stove league stops July 31st every year this year I don't know when it is but I my 4 p.m. Monday August 31st whoa today oh yeah that's so the Padres just like did like seven trades yeah it is the hot stove league it which also means that it's Bob Nightingale season on Twitter where you just like throw shit up in there and see if it lasts after I always laugh when

his tweets come across my timeline because his profile picture is just so funny he's always wrong yeah he looks like an indicted middle school teacher on his Twitter picture but he was saying that there's a mystery team now so it's not just not just the Padres that are going after Mike Clevenger it's also a mystery team who has improved their offer so I don't think are these mystery teams ever real yeah does mystery team ever get the guy yes there's always been yet no mystery teams gotten guys okay yeah swooping in last second franchise mode miss like when you start a new team in Madden yeah you take

everybody else but yeah I guess they're the mystery team is now the frontrunner mm-hmm so he's he's the guy that got COVID right or he like skipped out on no is that police but I think I think I think Clevenger was pissed at Zach please act I can't remember I think Clevenger they might they both violated protocol yeah I think they got it but they both like one out or something right right he fucked his way out of Cleveland okay the old delante West all right is that it yeah okay my who's back is well I get to the first is everyone tweeting about the Jaguars how short defensive window is because Yannick

and Gakwe did I nail that absolutely I fucking that felt good Yannick Yannick and Gakwe traded the Vikings that's gonna be a problem in the NFC North but everyone was talking about how they were in the AFC Championship game in 2017 and they now have two starters left from that from that game it's six pro bowlers that year on defense all gone weird that none of them mentioned that Blake Bortles is also gone feels like that's when it started to go downhill that's the real story right okay so they lost Jaylen Ramsey and like a bunch of really good linebackers and defensive ends but the real story is you have to

score points in this league yes you want to compete in an AFC Championship game and they got rid of the quarterback I'm just excited for the Vikings defense to be great and then Kirk Cousins to let them down yeah also you think I'm worried about Yannick and Gakwe Jimmy Graham's gonna block that ass everyone knows you Graham is an elite blocker I've forgotten the different weapons that the Bears have added this offseason but they got taken and Jimmy Graham dynamic through a 2000 yeah 2011 through 2015 also when they we first got it I had a tweet that was if we just get half of their production from last year we're

gonna be great and it was then an asterisk said actually it's 2013 because they both had like I think they combined had like 20 touchdowns also Jimmy Graham played basketball in college true he could probably just box right we're good all right so we also my other who's back is Darren Vell pissing off all of Twitter which he does intentionally but he did it on Friday night he's weird he somehow made a famous celebrity's death about him Chadwick Boseman which was very very sad you probably saw him Black Panther also Vonte Mack not gonna I mean that was maybe not his best role that was my introduction to Jack Boseman

yeah Vonte Mack no matter what but yeah Revelle did the he treated about how he died on Jackie Robinson day and he played Jackie Robinson and he was 42 and Jackie Robinson played 42 Jack was 43 and then everyone got mad at him I I have a plea for the internet though Revelle just wants attention well so when everyone replies to him and calls him an asshole he's that's the happiest he can possibly be I think his heart was in the right place on this tweet he just wanted to point out a series of numbers that were the same as other numbers correct that were involved in someone a beloved celebrity who had just died right

that's what we're going to be the first big look at these cool stats about this guy who died tragically yeah he wanted to bring awareness to the fact that 42 was also featured in a movie that he was in which happened to be his age but like are you really gonna get mad at Revelle for that everyone replying to him being like delete this dude I also I it tickles me when I see those people because they're like this is not right it's like if you are honoring Chadwick Boseman so well you're spending your night arguing with Revelle yeah yeah like what are we doing here you're you're you're so you know beat up about his death that you

spent the night going at Revelle I actually think that Revelle shockingly would be one of very few people on Twitter that people would pay money to read his tweets and not because they like it's no anger they want to know right they like being able to dunk on Darren Revelle online is actually worth an admission price right but it's also become a sport that's not even a sport anymore it's like breathing like you just do it he tweets something we dunk on it's kind of at least there's no video on this one yeah that's true Billy your who's back I have two who's back to the week whoa comes prepared first one is

Kim Jong-un is back from the coma oh really what about his sister he reappeared his sisters now disappeared so they think that they he did a little switch to make sure to see who's loyal to him she got a sex change and now she's Kim Jong-un second who's back also sort of communist related is the former Republic of Yugoslavia Joseph Nurkic posted a picture of him and he goes some Balkans boys and it's a picture of Donkic Bogdan Bojan Jokic Vokovic Dragic and just all those European dudes and I was realizing that all those guys where the countries they come from are all in the former Republic of Yugoslavia right so

like there like if that if Yugoslavia remain today their Olympic team national team would actually be pretty good yeah could maybe there were there were really good athletes back a day like Yugoslavian soccer team was pretty good their basketball teams always nice that was just ASMR for Mark Cuban to what you just did yeah yeah you just like hold say those names again poor thing is do it do it again donkic Bogdan Bogdavic Bojan Bogdanovic yo how bad is donkic his ass we don't kick dumpers yeah I'll get yo have you ever seen a donk like this smoke

Smelajik Zubeck Marzanovic Marzanovic I 99 problems but it ain't one anyway yeah okay great job great job Yugoslavia is it's a sick name for a country too yeah I'm tired of having to remember both Bosnia not a country Govindia it's not a country anymore oh yeah it was back to me Billy is gone full time back Yugoslavia Billy's reuniting the Eastern Bloc countries anyway a lot of these guys wait so is Yugoslavia in the USSR they were part yeah well that I don't know like a satellite tree I don't know the history of Yugoslavia you're just talking me on the side you just looked at me and stop

talking to Mike and just look like what would you say to me no I was you said a sidebar with me well yeah it's just kind of cool they can all sit at the same table because a lot of the countries that they have like ethnic rivalries and stuff so it's kind of a big show of unification of people give me a chance right pieces back right okay all right let's get to our interview awesome interview coming up with Kevin Love really really great cannot recommend enough before we do that body armor it's finally unofficially summer the weather is well it's gonna be fall soon we got to update this copy but that

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superpower in general let alone basketball but like you know we get look at who he got to put on the floor it was a 20-year anniversary of the dream team they were talking to us about being you know the second version of that 2008 coming off the redeem team but like you know we're supposed to win so yeah big cat said you were what a six-time all-star five-time all-star do you really consider yourself a five-time all-star cuz that first one that was David Stern being like Kevin's gonna fill in for y'all my IP yeah all right but do you count that as an all-star it's kind of an asterix by it I always

tell everybody it's like okay I've kind of I've kind of as far as being an all-star getting accolades in the NBA like I've been a six-man most improved player all NBA I've been an all-star starter I've been all-star straight up as a reserve and I've been an injury replacement so that first one yeah it was a little like you would think I would have called him up and asked him yeah we'll never know by the way I did a bad job starting the interview I wanted to ask do you want the hard questions first or the easy questions first well I heard something about primo box so yeah do you want do you want I think we you want the hard

questions a little bit give me all right you want you want to get loose wet my beak okay like being so great at everything Kevin great at everything uh-huh that's a loaded question that's an easy question just see that I got the yeah I don't know where you headed with this box it's it's pretty fucking yeah easy question so obviously the bubbles going on right now we're actually recording this right after the bucks and the stoppage on Wednesday do you feel like you're being a little left out because of like everyone's talking about the NBA everyone's watching the NBA the bubble has been fantastic and for

the teams that aren't involved it's got to suck yeah I mean you got to command you know it's hard for me not to say David Stern but Commissioner Silver and everything that I mean CP on the player side Michelle Roberts you know all the players too because what they've been doing down there the products been amazing yes it's it's almost like watching you know a heightened pickup game yeah these scores have been in the 130s 140s guys have put up monster numbers so what Luca did the other night Donovan Mitchell 50 twice in Jamal Murray's coming back and guys were talking shit and you know Luca and Montress Harrell

going back or forth you mentioned Murray saying you know you can't guard me Lakers are put I mean full playoff mode now after even myself saying it would be a good series between them and the Blazers but I talked to JJ the other day Redick about relevancy and us being in the delete aid and going into our own bubble and having to play and not knowing we're gonna play into next season but yeah it is really hard not to be a part of this but thankfully we have our I mean like you guys too it's it's you know our platforms in order to not only be backed in our messaging but the NBA pushes us that's why it's great on all

sides they push us into talking about you know certain messages or social injustice or everything that's going on with COVID and it's a global game and we had Giannis who's Greek freak obviously from Greece MVP we have you know Slovenian that was rookie of the year last year yeah everybody knows that is in Luca and then from the Cameroon I mean we have the the most improved player right so like it's a global game I forgot Andrew Wiggins Canadian Canadian yeah yeah Andrew Wiggins carry Australian yeah very good people wouldn't know deli yep big deli has his own children's book reaching that younger

demo I need to read that yeah nobody it's a big one it's like the Rudy of professional sport like NBA yeah I love him I mean I always go back to after you guys won the championship when he was wearing that Hawaiian shirt hoodie getting pictures with two coronas in his hand yeah how good of a time did he have celebrating that so funny you asked that he was behind me like I had this you know convertible you know cut the roof off whatever you know phantom I don't know anything was like a ghost right Rolls Royce and behind me he has like a fiat right and everybody's going crazy for deli because he's like a folk hero

yeah and like a deli should almost have a statue himself in Cleveland because every time he checks into a game and the year before in 2015 if you guys don't remember he had to guard staff like 40 minutes plus a game yeah and there was I forget what game it was after it was like four or five it was at our place so it must have been three or four because they they had the better record than us they had home courts the Warriors did came back and I remember his whole body was just gone they put him on IVs he was cramping throughout never seen it you almost had to go to hospital yeah so like he he gives everything to the game so I

appreciate that but I remember like you know I'm standing up I got the two belts I got the cigar you know I took Tristan's Cuban link and was wearing it so sweet you know and meanwhile deli's just getting all the love from from the back I'm setting up I'm like you know in the big three third guy you know what's up and then deli's just getting so much he should put a statue it should be him like hitting clay Thompson the nuts yes as a statue yeah and it's made out of like brick or nails or something court did he ever piss you off in practice like when he go harder than everyone else yeah would I never and then when you would

retaliate is funny like there's situation where you know because he was going against Kyrie he made Kyrie a lot better anybody who he plays he's making a lot better and there was a point where Kyrie just had enough and we might have lost a couple games in the road in a row excuse me and if we that's the thing like we actually I felt like because we had LeBron there's just so much that comes with that so therefore there was so much pressure on us to win especially in the East so like anytime we lost two games in a row the world was coming crumbling down especially in those first couple years and you know Kyrie comes

into practice they're going after it you know tensions are high it's got a midway through the season and like you know there was a push a shove punches throwing the whole thing and deli's just like you know why don't why don't we do that to the other team might I might why would do that to the other time it's a good point yeah and honestly when you say it like that in that Australian accent he does make a good point yeah if it would have been me you know so you mentioned the like LeBron and being on the big three I'm a biased LeBron hater so I just want that out there yeah I understand that's a common thread at

Barstool yeah yeah no we have he's fun to laugh at I do think that he's the best basketball although I have an alternate persona of Lake or Dan but yes that yeah I'm LeBron hater so but I've always thought he is not a bad teammate but his energy makes it difficult for his teammates to kind of exist because like you said like when you win it's it's LeBron and when you lose it's usually his supporting cast isn't good enough did you feel that like did you feel on on a given night like if things go wrong it's probably gonna be on me not well I definitely thought that actually mentioned that to JJ the other day it

was a lot of the onus when we lost or had troubles was you know I would say most of time pointed at me like we had a new coach we were getting to getting to know each other there was a bunch of hiccups row bumps along the way but you know for me it was I was coming from a situation where I was getting almost 20 shots a game in Minnesota and with that starting unit whenever I was in we were rolling I was catching the ball at the elbow I was playing the game from the inside out how I was always taught I give back to OG basketball but you know then I then I was just you know I was either at the break we called the

titties sometimes excuse me 2020 can't say that or I was in the corner just spreading the floor so we had two guys you know we had a freight train playing downhill and then Kyrie who you guys it's just a magician he's right one of the best ball handlers ever and best below-the-roam rim finisher finisher excuse me I've ever seen in my life so we had to do whatever we could and sacrifice and I felt like I had to sacrifice the most in my game especially in order to get the best out of them and the rest of our team so for me it was yeah there was a lot a lot of layers that went to that but in figuring it out

it did take me a long time but I do say this about LeBron and people laugh when I say this but he has such a gravitational pull in general that he's like a planet right so he wants to come in and he wants practice to be hard if his energy is up we're going hard if he's comes in and he's not talking to anybody if he's you know pissed off in a bad mood we've lost two in a row and that's warranted we're gonna be so good we're gonna be so everybody is kind of hanging on to see how he's gonna react to certain things and he catches a lot of eyeballs he's just that's who he is it's on James so I think there is a lot

to that but on the other side it actually lifts you up and makes you a lot better and I think that's why and I truly do believe that we were probably the most talented underachieving team in regular season almost ever like if you look at us on paper you say oh they should win 60 plus games every year hundred percent right and we're going you know it's still top-heavy in the Western Conference so therefore we're only playing those teams twice right it's not like we're playing them four times two at our place two on the road like we do at the Eastern Conference teams so you would imagine we would you know get

60 plus wins at least 55 wins every single year and and should be you know the first team in the Eastern Conference and potentially contending for home court advantage in the finals but again come playoff time come finals time we were locked in and a lot of that has to do with our identity and who LeBron is and was during the regular season because I'm always interested in this does he would he like if you guys had a bad spell was he like yeah I don't care because it's not the playoffs yet because I always kind of respected that part of LeBron's game is that he saw the bigger picture yeah you see teams will

ball like go balls to the wall in February like what are you doing yeah like this is and would he consciously let the team know like hey we're trying to win but we're also not trying to get burnt out in the middle of January yeah I think he understands I mean I feel like we pretty much had our identity down when it came to playoff time that even that first year in 1415 but I think it changes every series changes every kind of I guess you could say section or time of the season because I think throughout you want to continue to trend in a direction where it's conducive to winning come playoff time so being locked

in continuing to string as together as many wins as you could like that's great but I think when we got to you know the 2017 finals or even that year which I thought was our I still do believe to this day our most talented team and you know we lost 4-1 in the finals which is tough I mean a 73 and 9 team added Kevin Durant one of the greatest players of all time I mean that's they added another MVP to the team that's tough but you know I really do feel like we kind of not let the foot off the gas but I'm thinking deep here is that we just really wanted to make sure that we were rested we were in the right place

mentally so really seating didn't matter for us right and home court at least in Eastern Conference didn't matter for us because we knew when we locked in and we knew Tyler was so great when it came to X's and O's when it came to to play calling when it came to after timeouts when it came to just schemes you know for defenses or what we're doing the offensive end throughout the playoffs so we knew come playoff time that we were comfortable we knew our identity and moving forward we were going to be great regardless of the seating so I think Bron got pissed if we lost any game right and I think we took that personal as

well so and the outside noise played a big part to like you try to say oh you don't listen to it don't listen to it but it finds you it's just we live in 2020 you know it's an attention economy like so much is getting put into that right interesting yeah so like it just is part of it you try to get away from it's even like through through COVID or the social injustice stuff it's like you try to stay away from it keep informed but it's gonna find you and that's just kind of how it was for us it was it was a little bit of a soap opera and we really did thrive under chaos more chaotic the better we did for whatever

reason yeah 2016 in the finals game 7 the end of the game you're supposed to lock down Steph Curry were you afraid in that moment or were you like I if I were you and this is probably why I'm not a basketball player a professional basketball player besides being only 5 10 and a half but if you were if that were me I would be your contract I shit it I'm 5 I'm actually 5 8 but if I say play yeah he was using six one yeah well these shoes by the way these are six shoes because they gave me three inches and they're not actually lifts I guess I am six feet right now but if I were you and I were in that position I would

just be shitting myself I'd be like I hope I don't fuck this up well that what you were thinking or were you like I got this yeah I mean naturally you're going to get the I mean first time ever unanimous MVP right this team 73 and 9 but again I forgot to mention preparation when I came to Tai Lu and our team in general like we had gone over that particular play I mean hundreds of times gone through it in film hundreds of times had seen it throughout the game especially in their fourth quarter package a number of times because they wanted they knew that we were switching most of time one through five and that I

was on Dreymont so I was I was guarding the four you know he's gonna set the flare for for clay and we weren't gonna switch that come over the top and then when when he set the screen for Steph and I think JR might have been ended up on a on Dreymont after that but I always say it was actually you know I played great defense but as far as a defensive scheme and play it was actually a bad defensive possession because I wasn't supposed to let I was supposed to deny the ball back to Steph and I let him get the ball back so so Dreymont had caught it kind of in the corner was like okay I need I'm gonna need Steph to make this

play because he's done it time and time again and you know he throws it back to him I'm actually supposed to deny that you know luckily I kept my feet down you know knew everything was at stake but I think part of the reason I was able to do that in that moment was because yes first of all it's locked in we went through it so many times we prepared so many times and that was a play that really stuck out to us in late game situation but I think more than anything it was my mindset changed in the series you know I come off a concussion I hadn't played the next game in game three we ended up winning so I'm like I'm

just gonna focus on defense and rebounding mm-hmm that's all I'm gonna focus on here so when that time came I was I was more ready than I probably otherwise would have been had I not decided to focus on that if he drives on you though I found the shit out yeah it was good defense but he also I was guarding the three you got to be like thank God he took it he took a shot there and not and we I've seen him make that shot I mean we all have time again against even bigger players right he comes back the next year in the finals I think it might even game one maybe get I think it might have been game two where

they blew us out because game one was was crazy really suspect foul call charge block they went can't you know call it a charge went back so it was a blocking foul that was suspect so it just had never happened before it's unprecedented in a in a in a game especially of that magnitude an NBA finals game yeah brawn has you know one of the best finals performances of all time you know we go out there I have a big game guys are playing great guys are ready for the moment then we lose it's like that just took the wind out of our sales so wait so so I'm sorry so yeah so you're like just so that play but in

general as a bigger guy yeah when you get on an island with a guy with sick handles a point guard are you just like in the backyard like this fucking sucks oh yeah I mean it's tough in today's NBA it's it's tough because and you know there's no hand-checking and right it's been like that for a while but it's such a pace and space league now I mean take a look at the rocket so the best example of it you know there's a number of teams that you know I did a story with with Jackie McMullen who you know was was talking about the new era of the big man and it said in the last fight she said in the last five years because we

have advanced stats now and analytics for every single team like we base kind of sometimes what we do on that right and numbers tell a story so she was saying that 50% of I mean total excuse me post touches are 50% down in the last five years I believe it so you don't see a traditional five-man anymore even have guys like I mean you know we're talking about Milwaukee earlier Brooke Lopez out there shooting threes you have Marcus all out there shooting threes even you know Valtunas out there shooting threes Joel M. Bede out there shooting not well but yeah he's out there shooting three you know if you don't have

that in your game it's almost like you know can I put them in in certain situations because you have to guard you have to switch you have to guard ones and twos you have to guard a staff you have to guard a Kyrie you have to guard a Russell Westbrook at James Harden so switching on to them in the open floor and asking for help is already a disadvantage Daniel Lillard same way like it's it's hard to do Steven Adams can't really play in the series against the Rockets like that's kind of what it is playing but you can't play him long minutes because it doesn't really fit with you help off of PJ Tucker he's

getting in the corner you're shooting three right he shot the most and I think it maybe even the highest percentage of anybody in the league from from you know that corner there and he's yeah he's six five seven foot and they're not able to take advantage of that they go double somebody else has to beat you so again to answer your your question yeah I think if I would have funneled him into the lane we probably would have had to help and maybe they would have kicked it out to Clare kicked it out to another player but we would have made somebody else beat us yeah but in that moment you know he even said it too it's funny he came

out in our place that I should have driven Pascal in love I could have done it easy yeah that's fair but you didn't if I were you I would watch the replay of that just like still nervous and think to myself shit I hope he doesn't drive by the way I still watch that I've never watched the game in its entirety I've never watched the game by the way for first half the first half of the game isn't even worth watching yeah because then JR comes out and I think they're up eight points he has two threes and scores a layup but I don't even watch the first half I can remember walking back to the locker room with James Jones who

now works in the front office for the Phoenix Suns really close friend of mine and he I looked at my said does this even feel like a game seven and you know he had been a part of all the finals runs with with Braun yeah and he's like no really yeah and then at the locker room I was like where's it like where's the energy where's the you know we need accountability when so we came out in the second half and we were we were we were locked in and ready to go so the second half is amazing yes it's incredible and I remember the last four minutes I'm sitting here like this at a time out but I remember the last four

minutes really nobody scored yeah yeah I re hit that big shot and and Braun had the block to stop whatever you and brought went to free the line hit the one free throw put us up for but I can remember sitting down so it always went brawn at the front Kyrie or excuse me JR myself I was in the middle Tristan and then Kyrie was always at the end so LeBron and Kyrie on opposite sides of each other yes got it it's far away from each other as you would say I think both of them wanted to feel like they have a huddle yeah I got you go ahead so you're sitting there yes I'm sitting there nobody's saying a word but

I can remember looking like everybody's going crazy I'm gonna say Phil night sitting right there Lynn Merritt who's the head of Nike Global Basketball I see you know Guy Fieri Guy Fieri's obviously there if you guys had Guy Fieri on the show we would love to there before the grassy guy diners drive ins and drives and I could be like a conversational pivot but I just remember you know I think everybody like we even had our fans there the you know 100 people that were up there friends and family and you know we're in this chaotic Coliseum type experience like they just let the lions out right and I just remember

looking at everybody like oh wow we're like we're gonna win this we're locked in and like I'll never unless you're in that moment and the guys are all locked in and around cuz typically guys are going doing their own thing and and talking whatever guys are you know loose with with the huddle most of time I just we excelled a lot of the time because of how much talent we had but we're so locked in and when Tyler came in and sat down he just kind of looked at us drew up to play and I actually believe that might have been when you know Kyrie we came down in the possession and he hit the big shot but

that type of thing you just can't draw up but I just remember how locked in we were and that still today like resonates with me in such a big way in those finals because you know hearing basketball players talking to Kevin Duran always talks about like how much he appreciates just like great basketball did you have moments when you're in any of those finals you're like this is just insanely good basketball like the level that both these teams are playing at and the you know the the margin for error is so razor-thin like this is did you have a chance to like appreciate it well yeah

actually getting back to walking into the locker room at halftime it's a long walk at Oracle RIP Oracle I mean it's not gone but it's gone into the city but to us it's gone which is which is too bad because what a great arena to play obviously hate the fans but yeah also love the fans at the same time loud place but we're walking back to long walk and you know I think the margin for error question is great because we were this is a team that we're playing against in the Warriors that if they get it to double digits you you get in your brand you're like oh man like you very seldom do you come back from double double digits

to this team they have so much firepower Clay and Steph get going you know you know Dre is you know doing his things in the running for defensive play of the year every single year and they just have the thing rolling if they get Oracle going it's so loud it's a tough place to play really really tough maybe the hardest at that time because they were 73 and 9 it's so good but we knew that if we didn't make up any of our ground from that eight-point deficit that if it got to double digits we could be in trouble especially in the second half guys are gonna get a little you know asshole's gonna get tired guys are gonna

get a little bit more tense you know guys are gonna start doing things outside of maybe even their character or their game and you know for that to happen to us would have been you know pretty tough because you've seen it time and time again even in the playoffs in finals games as well we saw it the next year when we played them like if you give them enough of you know a discrepancy they're gonna take it they scored nine points in like 30 seconds yeah it's almost like you have to be up by 10 at halftime because in that third quarter they can come out and they're the best third-quarter team in the league they'll go in

like a 16-0 run like that and they're capable of that quick yeah we get the crowd going Steph's going you know it's just it's it's a tough tough place to play but on the road like that we had to be locked in so that the margin for air was incredibly incredibly low that must have felt just incredible though after you did accomplish it you win the championship and then I always think that it's better that you were coming back from the West Coast because you got to take all these detours on what you got to party right well have a great time yeah Jair Smith and put a shirt on for what like a week I mean I feel like

it was the whole summer he was playing can can and Barry in in Cleveland he was playing the golf course with a shirt on like sir first of all you have to tuck it in and I got you know what we'll just the coolest thing was so I'll talk about the detour after I say this but I went to New York after the fact and like everywhere we went we were saying it like what's up champ like oh we got this take care of you oh this is on us oh it's from the table over here sending you champagne it's like it was pretty a pretty amazing amazing ride and all things considered like unprecedented coming back from 3-1 City of Cleveland

52 year drought for a major sports championship like that was that was really cool and going back to the deli thing like seeing the parade you know they put all the barricades up but I've seen like everybody from the bordering states everybody came in and they came into Cleveland to show their love if they were a Cavs fan and put the barricades up we're supposed to be a 45-minute deal go down East 9th Street and then just you know go near the water where the Browns play and have this you know epic like soundstage and just a huge field of a ton of people but it was a three and a half hour thing because

they broke through the barricades and then if you've seen the photos which are great yes everybody's right next to the car I remember this security card that we had got his foot ran over like three times so it's when has a hundred degree day like you know I'm smoking a cigar pouring you know all the alcohol and wine that had had the last three days we had a party and went out the night before at my house started there and went out so we were out till 4 or 5 in the morning they shut down the streets for us so like it was it was a lot you guys are playing beer pong at your house right yeah we had three bars set up it was

pretty sweet yeah did you see the video of the guy eating shit mm-hmm there was a Cavs fan yeah in the parade you know I'm gonna say at my house no yeah I mean Jair might have been pretty high at the parade people were like flooding the street like you mentioned they had the police horses and the horses were shitting in the street and one Cavs fan was so excited that he just runs out into the middle of the road picks up a piece of horseshit and eats it and then turns to the crowd everybody applause for him so you had a big hand in that does that make you feel good or you do you want to say thank you to the guy thank

you to the guy that decided to eat horseshit yeah I hope it was a it was tasty stallion or you know I'm trying to think of Clydesdale yeah yeah Clydesdale would be more I can show you the video if you'd like to watch it I would love to watch okay we can get a we get a reaction but insane but let me interject for one last second here is that oh first of all and I'm wearing this shirt obviously huge Stone Cold fan used to try and stun her people when I was in like fourth grade raw was so like crazy amazing back in the day and by the way best to me best intro ever like yeah glass shatters absolutely gives me chills

today we were actually actually when I score in Cleveland that's what they play really yeah it's a great call that is sick but the you know I did the beer bash after the game I think people have seen that video and Stone Cold gave big love to that but then people were throwing me beers in this car and I'm like okay there's this you know again white Lamborghini white Rolls Royce fan I'm going three miles an hour it's stagnant it's you know 100% humidity the heat index is 115 I'm leaking you know 1942 and guys keep throwing me beer so I'm smashing I'm doing the whole thing and then like I grabbed two blue mountains

cores throwing them out there right back to the guy I'm like no no no I'm good so I'm like alright let's see what the crowd can do with these beers so I'm like filming them everybody's taking photos by the way the what I was really upset about with the Cleveland crowd and especially the men is that they didn't know how to do a proper beer bash that's it I mean that's a life skill younger yeah I mean it's it's yeah like the Gen Z's literally just smashed yeah like you gotta crack the top yeah gotta relieve some of the pressure just a little bit that's all you need it's not like shotgun I've seen people mess it up way too many times

right but the beer bash is is a skill yeah and it's a skill that everybody should learn it's like changing a tire absolutely because there's it is something that I haven't done when I actually the last time I did was probably my 30th birthday it's five years ago but it is something that whenever people see you but it's a mile do it yeah they look at their like holy shit yeah it was actually that might have been like the the first night big cat and I ever party yeah was on his birthday down in Arizona right yes we got a party bus and then somebody played the stone cold entrance music on the party bus and then

big cat was like well I have to do this it's a panty to her the best part with the best part about that is it was a party bus but it actually was one of those like steel cage match no we had a we had like some kind of giveaway where people got to party with us so it was a bunch of strangers yeah and I just soaked them all in beer and they were like well this isn't fun okay here's the video of the guy eating horse poop at the parade this is great I thought we were past that no no this is gonna watch you okay there you go so this guy goes for once his buddy's pulling back no don't do it it's not the big guy yeah you guys got us

through that would have sucked it must be the Tim's he's wearing yeah real dirty Tim's really dirty Tim's live reaction yeah he's got the Kenyan Martin tattoo on his neck to Kmart shout out to Kmart wow has he eaten it yet oh he didn't spit out he fully ate it yeah yeah full handful too I mean not just like you said yourself yeah that's your legacy 52 years of eating shit I don't I don't do this shit anymore then immediately does it all right I'm gonna read a tweet to you I want your reaction in the moment when you read it okay well if if I've read it or do no you oh you've read it stop trying to find a way to fit out and just

fit in be a part of something special just my thoughts that hurt my feelings yeah what are you serious like when you read that because it I remember reading at the time like damn I feel bad for Kevin love like that's because it was such a sub tweet to yeah I mean I don't know if it was specifically you but it was the whole team it was specifically you I mean it was it was like you knew you do the 23 and me and then you get like I'm 80% like I was majority that guy yeah it's like 80% Kevin love you know 8% Deon waiters you know deli's like in the negative right it's like negative windchairs but uh no I was

dead you know it's one of those things now like I look back I probably did take it personal in the moment it was tough for me like I had to adjust that's what all I wanted from those guys was to just have the recognition like oh this guy sacrificed a lot right like his his learning curve having to do that is a little bit different and like considering where I came from to where I'm not like I need to be you know I didn't have a lot of vets and we almost had to like a big revolving door in Minnesota I think one year we had 27 different players and guys that were trying to make their their way into the league and

at one point like Darko Militius was the highest paid player on the team that's crazy let's just imagine that's crazy he's making like six million so we had one of the lowest payrolls you know a new coach a new GM you know and just you know guys that didn't know how to win so it was very very tough for me to not have veterans and under so I had to go through it and that was only I think 20 30 games in when that sweet happens so I think he was trying to find ways to get the best out of me get a rise out of me but also like you know I'm gonna play this to the media so that you come back and this doesn't happen again so I you

know there was there was a lot to that but since I mean bronze a brother did you walk into the locker room the next day you're like what's up man like saw the tweet no that sucked never talked about it no wow never never acknowledge it at that I guess that's almost like the first test that he probably was putting you through like I'm gonna tweet this it's gonna be about you and then we're you're gonna figure it out we're gonna move on yeah you're either gonna fit in or fit in right away anything to stop fitting out at that point well I was just upset to that that you know they never put me in any

of the fucking photos yeah yeah I want to get some of that you know for the for the you know we're dying breed why in the NBA yeah I actually were the minority you know I just put on for the for the Larry birds of the world yeah I wrote a whole wall in being like I think dream team Chris I was like I think Kevin loves taking the pictures like I think they're going down to the bronze here Kevin they're making this all wrong picture of us so one point I took somebody had done like a you know Photoshop of my face and it was like literally like a square like you cut it out like what I do like I'd be you know

when I was young I had the big Mark McGuire poster yeah and it would just slap my face on there or 25 what's up I just love the just my thoughts part it is just it's his Twitter so did that take a thing out of a little bit that he put just my thoughts yeah the fact that it was just his thoughts yeah no one else took just saying out of it in a big way yeah yeah I might start yeah you know what actually I have like a obviously like most people do like a proverb as a quote on my yeah I think I have something actually on my Instagram for man the board a and actually no I do so for me I think I might just if you put

just my thoughts right it's a great name really like it kind of deflates it a little like after this when we post this on Monday you need to like quote treat the part of my take I had a great time just my thoughts yeah had a great time we covered a lot primo box just my yeah that's that should be like the name of your autobiography yeah yeah just my thoughts we're gonna get back to Kay Love in a second but before we do want to talk to you guys about 3G I had some 3G over the weekend loved it it was an excellent way to fall asleep on Saturday night it is the leader and hemp derived cannabinoid products they sell a range of

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yeah but also to interject you might even get there at some point but the worst thing I got death threats my family got death threats the whole thing they said my uncle's music was bad yeah that's not cool beach boys for people who are living under the rock like so are you ashamed that your uncle wrote songs of Charles Manson no no that was Dennis oh okay is that what your uncle told you nice yeah smart if you've read my uncle's autobiography which I know you both have he actually said that I'm forgetting the names now of course like I should really know this but his first son Mike and his daughter I don't know

if it was it was summer but the a couple of the kids got baby sat by one of the girls that Charles Manson wow yeah I should really know that better but I remember he also talks about you know he went out into the middle of the desert I don't know if it would I don't think it was spawn ranch but I don't know if there's one of the women that went up to C. L. O. Drive either but he saw he said he Dennis came back all shaken up and he was trying to get away from the family anyways but came back and he was shaking visibly shaken in front of the entire band and my uncle he's like I just saw Charlie shoot some black cat and stuff

him down a well whoa so I'm like that's heavy duty yes so like to add that and that that was some heavy hitting stuff in the autobiography but Dennis was like he hit a house I believe in the Palisades where Charlie showed up and you know like dropped to his knees went to his feet and said you know kissed his feet and said oh brother it's so you know great to meet you kind of try to put him under the spell and they start living in his house holy shit kind of like what we're doing right now yeah yeah yeah I like that that was it that was a crazy crazy time crazy period that's why it's crazy because once upon

a time in Hollywood yeah which I love by the way and that setting in that era he actually comes up and hey this is where Dennis Wilson lives like he's asking for which is pretty pretty crazy so and it's amazing to me that they have his music they have his music on a Spotify yeah and if you've seen a mind hunter which I'm so yeah they canceled the show they can't wait what they canceled my hunter yeah they stopped they stopped it what do you mean like there's not gonna be another season yeah which they just went over the Atlanta murders or murder yeah that was a great great season amazing and they went and talked to

Charlie and they have like the real transcripts a lot of stuff but remember holding forward because he's like he's you know he's listening to his music that's not that bad yeah if your uncle had let him in the Beach Boys yeah we might be thinking about Charles Manson much different light right now there's not another season yeah have you ever heard if you heard a song garbage can is a garbage I don't know I don't find myself listening to serial killer music that much I had to you know I just went there to know you're not gonna understand it but I just went there to know like oh you can find his music on

Spotify why yeah that is crazy we're ever gonna listen to that other than to just you know if they're doing it for a paper yeah that's a weird that's a weird fan told you that your uncle's music sucks and that made you really that made your blood boil no oh my god I'm so angry no I actually didn't even understand how big my uncle's music well I just you know he's Uncle Mike we went to all that stuff you know all the concerts and still huge like you know fact that he was on Full House and John Stamos is playing drums right yeah huge deal I mean come on until I got to UCLA and then all the parents and the kid even the

kids that were like you know my peers in a year you know same year year-old or whatever I was oh 708 I was there you know they were like oh your uncle it's my club like Beach Boys and I love this I love this this album this you know I played this you know God only knows or something at my wedding or whatever it was so that's what I knew that he was big but the worst thing I got and the funniest at the same time not any like the death threats obviously that's goes back to the Manson stuff I was in we're at Pullman Washington we're playing Washington State and you know whatever I had the night before just like you know

I was feeling some sort of way when sitting right it's freezing cold yet here I am feeling like my temperatures through the roof right and I start sweating all the way through my my blue jersey I mentioned like the baby blue with the gold right and we have the that year we have reached a hundred national championships and we had to see super cool but uh no they started screaming butt sweat but sweat but so my my college teammates who I'm so close with they still give me shit for that to this day yeah I mean but that'll get inside anybody said like you got to respect the swamp yeah swamp yeah it

happens everybody but in the moment I don't do well in humidity even though it was you know probably in six degrees in Pullman Washington and you're nowhere but you know it was the swamp was real and that's a color that shows up big time if you got butts what if it's like a light blue it immediately turns you know maybe a hundred percent yeah I couldn't wear gray bottoms forever here I'm sitting with gray bottoms like I'm okay now yeah we're in Washington just has that effect I mean we're actually it was Aaron Baines was the center too okay yeah so I had my down under was getting a little yeah yeah on the way

over we were talking about you in your college uniforms because have you ever worn a jersey that actually fits you you're a big baggy jersey guy right that one was pretty yeah I think it's it's PTSD from you know being as big as I was yeah a sweet chin strap yeah there was in the other day actually to JJ I was like okay you got to realize this my mom was basically I was going to like great clips and then my mom was cutting my hair and that was pretty apparent when you look at those photos right there's a very funny picture from I think it was like your senior year at high school where you're wearing like these shorts

that go down past your shins where they're on John then a jersey that goes down to your knees oh it's like your team jersey that you were wearing at the time and here I can actually pull you were you horrible I know exactly were you worried at all when you lost weight like you were gonna lose all your power because that's where I'm trying to like stay a little bit heavier yeah this one right that's the picture that's talking about slam see love slam I had the slam diary my senior year right I had the slam diary yeah and how about this I was national not only national player the I was national athlete of the year so when

you show that guy that guy was national that guy you my I'm more female national gold medal for 20 years when the greatest I mean female athletes of all time little on basketball players than that guy yeah that's crazy I had always thought that when you were in college this might be like one of those Bernstein Bears moments where you remember a memory that didn't actually happen to you I was more Thomas the train but okay okay but yeah I thought that you were a big undershirt guy like you wore big white undershirts in college but I can't find a picture if you're wearing one online did you not in the uh I mean I

wore the tanks tight-fitting tanks underneath and then when you you know you take it off it falls out it's like you know you're dating in the winter in New York City right yeah man I scored this off and you go home and it's just like that it works both ways right oh yeah oh yeah I mean you did it yeah yeah I did absolutely that's why it's like so I lost the weights because the powers like I lost the weight and I started to slowly start wearing like tighter stuff yeah I feel good yeah yeah major glow-up lost like 30 pounds got rid of the chin strap chinch up a sweet though yeah finish that is I went to right when I

got down there the first week that was at UCLA I was before like my dad threw me the keys and was like all right you go and figure it out like I or again we don't even pump our own gas so I'm going to the gas station like I'll have $20 unleaded please right you know so I you know I lost my train of thought but we were you got UCLA yeah oh I got things oh haircut so I went down to my one of my dad's best friends took me down to Carson California this week lives and took me down to Carson to our people barber shop but like our people like I mean I was like okay what do I go in and ask for I go just just do whatever like I figure

it out so he starts like gives me this chin strap and then he takes the hair and just goes gives me like a one one and a half coming the next day full chin strap I'm patchy here I'm completely white I'm 278 pounds all guys are looking at me but then you could ball but then I could ball so I got the respect the great equalizer I have two more hair questions then because we're on this topic what how do you I understand like when you're younger you got bad hair cuts how do you explain the fade in the 2018 NBA finals that was atrocious so I started watching Peaky Blinders yeah okay yeah no this story is true if I was

like Tom Hardy looks cool silly and looks like these guys are awesome let's try this okay and like nobody knows that's what I tried to do yeah no like as soon as I saw it in the mirror I'm like oh here's my hat yeah a wrap of bandana you go I was like oh great now I have to be you know 40 million people are gonna be watching you know so that was that story and it didn't work out well for me but once you know I just I just was like I'm just gonna roll with it all right so then gray hair to gray hair are you gonna roll I'm rolling with dying my hair and I tell people like I let everyone know I think you can't die

your hair in pretend that you don't like coach K I say like hey love you coach here's my day like I'll tell I'll tweet be like died my hair today everyone be cool about it are you gonna just go with gray yeah you have even though I get it just like right my temples yeah so I get it kind of across the way excuse me and I'm just gonna roll with it okay it's like you know when you do they do those like just for men yeah that's right I has the black hair the guy has like the full gray or white yeah blend them it's like oh this guy's he's too young to do this job right I just don't know if he has the energy but it's like he put him

together oh man this is a distinguished guy we should hire George Clooney lived in that world for like 30 years yeah you're gonna tell if he was 40 or yeah he's dating Stacy Kebler and like yeah you know he's just you know okay so you're rolling with it all right that gives me a little bit I'm still probably gonna die it but yeah no I think you got a little bit coming in on here yeah no I got the beard is a good luck I still haven't gotten there yet both of my both my grandparents are both white at like four right five yeah I think you should continue to die I think I have to do otherwise it looks like go on like

twitch and have like teenagers bully me and also have just you gotta hit the right demo I mean yeah some of us have to yeah some kids have to think I'm still cool but I mean you got the hat thing down yeah before we came on yes you can always watch now people are saying every time I take it that I'm my hair is receding which it's not but whatever that's that's just hat hair yeah that's what happens yeah I've always wondered when it comes to big rebounders and a lot of like people's contracts rely on getting those rebound numbers up to a certain point yes the season if there's a free throw being

taken that's uncontested so there's nobody out from the other team trying to rebound it do you make sure that like you get first position down there you're like hey this is oh it's a known thing on our team and it's been that way especially now we have Andre Drummond who's like led the league and rebounding three four times but like Tristan Thompson Larry Nance myself but like Bronn when he was not we all steal rebounds from each other it's like a thing like you're good to have two rebounds stolen from LeBron every game with Andre Drummond might be three or four Tristan Thompson but at the free

throw line that's a battle even if it's coming off the other side I might try and grab it we might even at some point knock it out of bounds because usually my ball my ball like for us it's yeah we still that's it that's it actually I love that we we went over that because when they see this they're gonna know like yeah yeah they're gonna say you're just as bad as we are yeah yeah I just always wonder if there was like a hierarchy when it came to a team where you're you know unquestionably the alpha where you're like a veteran on that team you can't say anything you can't say anything it's

just every man for himself it's just every man for himself when it comes to especially free throws every man for himself but if it's like coming so far out of the way to come and grab it yeah and doing it like way over somebody's like I got this you read it and then it just comes out of nowhere like that's that's okay that's excessive yeah right that's excessive right but you know I was taught from an early age maybe I should play tennis individual sport but there's no such thing as a selfish rebound either end of play or you create an extra possession for your team right so like and that was my dad's you had

vested interest in yeah obviously me getting rebound so yes but I'll probably teach my son yeah absolutely what when did you first realize that you were sick at outlet passes I always kind of it was just a feel thing that I did so back to Mark McGuire I was talking about and by the way great doc that they all I hated it you hated it yeah we thought it was sucked yeah why they put it in an induced steroids so last ten minutes by the way and now this is not something but like if everybody's juicid love the long ball and I love that people are throwing a hundred I agree right I agree they just didn't mention it until like the very

end they're like oh by the way the steroids came in with Barry bonds took the leg over you know right they totally skipped it and they only had so so on there for like five or six minutes so it's just basically like a mark McGuire documentary and it was too bad about the series like it saved that time saved baseball yeah yeah I had like who has put baseball posters up in the room anymore if it's not like Aaron judge right right like it's it's I don't know I I really really hope that I don't know what the numbers say not a dying sport but like baseball that was an amazing time that's why I love that maybe go back because I

think on my it was my I think mark McGuire hit 61 or 62 on my like 10th birthday because it was 98 right so I was that was I was freaking I was watching every at bat it was like my dad used to call me in when Griffey used to get up there right sweet swing yeah that was a that was a crazy time yeah so the outlet passes you were watching baseball and you realized like hey are you were playing baseball and you're like this is how I can know so I my dad was like oh you want to get big like mark McGuire here I am 10 years old I'm like curling the the bar breaking because it's like the so that's what I was doing

everything like forearm wise because remember these to be like oh yeah 22 inch forearms yeah that's natural little did I know but I started doing that and then I was watching I actually used to shoot like that so I didn't have the strength because I played up three years with my brother at the time he was very young for his age and eighth grade he stayed back as he was the youngest kid in his class and by the way huge advantage for sports as well yeah but um no I just that's how I shot so I had the accuracy that was make I was playing with my brother just make it make it make it so anytime I had a little bit of

like an advantage you can get the ball up and over I was shooting it like that so super super accurate with with that shot and then one summer I just sat like this in my uncle's house in Southern California and just took the ball and started at like two feet worked all the way back added my other hand and then finally I started shooting like that so when I got into the game we got a rebound was thrown it up court I just launched it was natural natural that's awesome I used to throw a fit threaten to run away smash everything in my room because I wanted to play football I want to be the quarterback let alone we

had you know we did have a weight limit to you know why I come from you have a weight limit to play quarterback which I don't understand it's like they should have a rule like you can't rush the ball right you can't run the ball whereas like you know if you're on defense you can be as big as you want you kill the guy that's little so you have a bigger quarterback anyways whole other kind of worms there but no I just I want to play quarterback so bad that was like okay here's my way my dad's like the paint is football use your elbows use your body use your leverage and then when you get that ball throw it ahead plus watch

Bill Walton a lot of us this old-school Boston Celtics tape especially when he was the sixth man it was cool to see them go against the Showtime Lakers and you know the teams from that era were unbelievable right and then on top of that I'm named after Wes Unsell RIP passed away this year so named after Wes Unsell he had that great outlet pass over the head and from the chest one arm the whole thing so I was watching him a lot and my dad had the presence of mind to have me watch both of those guys were especially Wes considering that my dad played with him and the namesake and I would have met him right yeah

middle name just clear that okay I would imagine they're also as fat Kevin love it was nice to not have to run all the way down the court when you hit that perfect outlet pass and they score and it's like I can just chill out here yeah that's awesome there's no defense yeah right I did my job right ball at the court yeah it's official I would especially if I had somebody who had a receiver type body or quality to them like that was the best yeah or throw it out to a fast point guard it's three on two or two on one or one on oh like it's great it's it was so cool too because you were I feel like when you came on the

scene at UCLA and everyone started talking to you on a national level like you were known almost for that more than anything else which is a very like you don't really have guys who get known for that but it was such a cool throwback thing like you got to check out Kevin love's passes yeah and at the time you know I just I'm never I was never known for my jumping I could actually jump at the time people forget that I jumped 35 inches at the combine max vert and you know it was funny to see that the guys reactions all the way growing up into my first few years and leaving okay hey white boy actually my dad's is so funny

because on my dad's draft card goes you know great shooter forward center six nine University of Oregon runs the floor well you know great frame broad shoulders good jumper for a white guy I mean I was it's really cool we still have it back at home I was talking to my brother about my my baseball and basketball cards I was like do we still have those and so here actually that's cool he brought this out and Griffey was my guy being from the Pacific Northwest but you can see that my it actually does spell base but then I spell cards wrong of course but you know my penman's just oh there we go yeah you were yeah I love

it yeah yeah I read that when you were in college you reached out to Bill Walton for advice or like he was a mentor of yours that is that accurate at all so Ben howlin the coach at the time my college coach my only year at UCLA he part of me not recruiting process but once I had committed and signed my letter of intent he put me on with Bill Walton and literally I mean the guy it's like coach wouldn't say it was like yay at a really bad stutter but once he fixed it it's great it's like now we just can't get him to shut up yes yeah so no really I we've interviewed before oh no like three hours three hours into it he goes

how long does this go yeah and we're like you you can decide when you want to leave bill okay no it's amazing like I it was an Oregon UCLA game a couple years back and Russell had donated the money for the Mohawston Center which is men's and women's basketball so it was you know I did the weight room he did the courts which is cool because we were college roommates especially on the road and I go up there and do this interview with ESPN it's just like you can't get a word in that's why he's talking he's literally singing my uncle song Barbara Ann or whatever California girls and I'm just going on and so like

they're in his ear and I can hear it because I have the headphones on they're like Bill Bill Bill you have commercial in two minutes it was hilarious probably thinks it's like God talking to him yeah but he yeah it's probably for the 30 minutes you know maybe got a minute and a half in maybe 90 seconds of me talking he's saying UCLA and the tradition and the women and what it stands for and Colchwood and set there to the pyramid of success let me tell you my favorite quotes from that stories and you know Lou Alcindor and the big man and what your number means and we're in there and Walt Hazard and the Hazard

and so like on and on and on and on and like you know God bless him he can speak you know after having a awful stutter for so long yeah but it's like I mean it sounds like you remembered everything that he said yeah when I was yeah so I think I was 17 years old when I committed so that was big for me when you played at UCLA because I think I've heard stories that like a lot of NBA pros will go and play at UCLA over the summer yeah so did you do that would you play with guys in the NBA and did you like did you think right away like I belong here yes did it take a minute well it it took a minute against guys like

you know because I think my second day I walked in there and this was like you know 10 days after I graduated from high school you're 18 18 years old and KG's in there they you know they're just got traded or he's a Boston Celtic now and you know they come back and they play that year I think they lost in the finals they come back the next year and win in 0809 I believe he was defensive player the rest of everybody like I played Dirk Lewitski Tim Duncan twice and KG within my first dozen games and that's that's a lot in the Western Conference if you go through like the Power Fords and Center on each yeah it's pretty

remarkable but yeah my second day there I was like man I gotta match up against KG so you played against him yeah he was really cool he didn't have to be he was really cool because he didn't know who I was from anybody and I was like I took him aside after well done and I said hey listen you know how how do I leverage how do I score on you when you're you know say he's 6'11 he's 7'1 right real like same thing with KD like he's not 6'9 it was listed that he's taller than that and you know he's like get the fuck I'm not giving you any so Jordan Farmer I remember was there who was at the on the Lakers at the time said no no

he's serious he's serious so he took me aside for 10 minutes and started working with me and it was just me there on the court so I'll always remember KG for that wow then of course I get drafted by Minnesota he's the fifth pick I'm the fifth pick it's Minnesota he's like like this hot shot he's like fuck this guy yeah so he come you know and he's barking he's always like this though he never takes every game so I respect about guys like him and Russ and AI I'm like Jordan they never took a game I'm rarely a possession off like those guys go hard that's a talent in itself yeah even as he got older he set the

tone in practice he set the tone but yeah when I got into league that that changed a little bit because that now I was you know at that time I wasn't a threat but I was right I was I was in the league and playing in Minnesota and playing the Power 4 wait so you're 18 and you're playing pick-up basketball with NBA players and you're like running up and down the floor and you're holding your own that's not yeah that's crazy I always felt like I belonged yeah I you know I think I in some ways it was unhealthy how much I just focused on that like I always say like I was an I was an athlete student yeah no we saw

you spell you can't spell right yeah yeah that was yeah we believe you on the yeah but no it's just yeah I always felt like I belong plus I think it was being familiar with the guys I was playing with too so if if you know there's three courts it's simply obviously you're running five so there's 30 guys out there and if SC guys came they would always be allowed on the floor if UCLA guys came they were always allowed on the floor at least five guys so I was playing with Russell Westberg Darren Collison Luke on my mood to like guys like that were on my team so it was great like we felt like we had a vibe and

had a good thing going we came in ranked preseason number one yeah that we had just come off of two final fours I'm trying to make another one which we did lost to Memphis Derrick Rose tough one but no we felt like we belong and actually speaking of that I can remember that my first day in the gym and I knew Russell I knew Russ a little bit and we had become friends first day I was on campus I'm walking up Bruin walk I'm with my academic advisor which didn't necessarily me but Kenny Dawson he actually acted as more of a therapist for me but I remember Russ and I were crossing paths I was going to history

class and he just he starts he's like hey man he's sneakers I was wearing Jordan 11's with like no socks and didn't have them laced up and I'm sweating like crazy because Bruin like UCLA is like a fishbowl so you have you know we're all all the students say all the dorms you come down you have the athletic center you have the student activities center you have Paulie Pavilion you know you have the men's gym you have everything walking up then it's the classes up Bruin walk so I'm just leaking sweat and he's making fun of my tops backpack that I got from the McDonald's all American game my shirt you

know this is where I layer up is like if I had a shirt like this on say I would have another down there so I that one would soak up the sweat sure that one would soak up the sweat and then I would have this like yeah I'm good yeah and then the swamp was just like I probably like put you know I'm a bit I still tie the sweater around the waist yes that's still a thing yeah yeah sure yeah I feel like once you pass 30 it's like acceptable yes yeah I mean if you are living in the Hamptons then yeah you can tie a sweater around your neck around your way visit yes strong it's a strong visit plus you're summering in the

thank you thank you that's a little pretentious but yeah yeah it's a sweater tie guy but um no I can remember the first yeah I love this way by the way speaking of sweat it's got hot out here yeah it is um it's a good luck roll the first time I saw Russ in the gym and we had played fives we did but there was probably a six month eight month window where I didn't see him play and that first day he's grabbing rebounds top of the square bringing it down surveying the court coming down seeing what he has calls for a pick and roll comes back cross grains the ball comes over kind of Euro steps top of the square left

hand I'm like holy shit this kid's gonna be good like this kid's special so people would ask me coming in because I got a ton of interviews that you know hotshot number one player whatever at UCLA and they would ask me like who do you think's gonna be a breakout star like who do you see is gonna be a breakout stop I'll stop you right there easiest question I'm gonna answer all your Russell Westbrook he's on my Daren Carlson yeah he's on my team yeah and like I wasn't trying to make a Homer job out of out of or be biased I'm really believe that so you know I can remember Darren Carlson got I think it at MCL

spraying in his left knee right knee whatever was and he went down for not a dozen games but close to I think it might have been double digit games that year so Russell took over the point garden that's when he just took off yeah it's pretty cool yeah so you weren't surprised at all when he was and like Darren both of his parents are Olympic level track athletes yeah so Darren I mean even to this day retired after 10 years he I mean up and down the court from line-to-line 94 feet he top five fastest player in the league and at that point probably fastest player in college basketball so I was out letting the ball

to him and so here comes Russ he sees I get a rebound he knows just go take test the shot and go boom layup dunk he starts dunking on guys you start doing I mean just like everything with the ball and that's when I mean he just took a major step forward yeah because I think he got comfortable playing the point guard we move him to the two guard he defended he got up and down I hit him with the outlets he made the right plays and nobody worked as hard as him like I thought okay I'm gonna be the first of the gym I'm gonna get my shots up try and be the last to leave I had to take two showers big sweater how do you

manage that by the way I've been struggling with that this summer I'm actually good do you take like a cold shower to stop sweating because I'll shower and then ten minutes later I'm just sure shower in the morning is it's tough out here because we work out outside and it's so humid all the time that it's Blake Griffin here the other day and he was using he asked me I don't thanks for letting us know that you were in town Blake like you can he's like he did give the oh yeah I've been on the show before I said well okay well yeah under time but yeah now I'm not very happy with him right now so now you're a

best friend yeah you're your Blake your Blake love right now yeah friendship with Blake over yeah done friendship with Kevin on yeah yeah yeah he said that because now I'm being big cat or actually mad at Blake yeah no I'm pissed it's just a heads up sorry Blake yeah no is he still out here mother is he here is he in the house yeah yeah yeah he did his 30 minutes of maintenance work yeah damn it was that all you were talking about was here earlier today yeah Blake what the fuck this interview is over jerk what a jerk all right wait why why is the interview over for me no you said this interview is over just my

thoughts just my thoughts mean big cat or side barring right I'm gonna call him and let's see yeah I'm fucking what a jerk yeah I didn't realize when you said Blake was here earlier I was like what do you he doesn't have to come on the show but just like let us know that he's here yeah I'm gonna be like what are you doing what's with it like you know it's one of those I'm sorry man I'm on a zoom yeah this guy has his phone on him all the time too we know that he picks up his phone usually like 1.9 seconds we time it no he was literally planking today with his phone not not filming he was just like this with his phone I may

have made that up but people are gonna think it's true all right all right well he'll call back what I'm trying if you know no no no don't do that don't do not break that will hurt that will hurt me don't hurt me too much don't do it you're big in a mental health yes don't don't hurt mine I won't I didn't know how that would affect you I know how that can be how a lot of people pick up how has it been with real question the you've been very outspoken about mental health and like I feel like you were maybe not a tipping point but you were one of the first I think DeMar was the first yeah but like it was the reason I

felt compelled right like I could do it so has it been what's it been like to be like that vulnerable I would assume people have been very receptive to it but it's also got to be a little scary too to just talk about it like that for sure just because I mean I think when I first press send on my article that I just didn't know how people were gonna respond but for me it was it was so many things leading up to that point that I was like I just can't it was so hard for me to just be me like unapologetically Kevin like I've come to the point now because there is such a huge community and I could have never guessed that that

was the case like now I I know a lot of statistics the numbers I'm continuing to learn don't pretend to be an expert but like just try to consume as much as I can so when I have an idea of what's going on and plus coming out of COVID and coming out of or being in and knowing what's going on with social injustice and Black Lives Matter like there's so much anxiety with the unknown and the stress and I'm gonna be able to put food on the table where's my next paycheck coming from can I even go outside or my I can be able to get see my baby born or I'm having to choose between going to work and being with my family you know if

somebody passes away due to COVID or otherwise I can't go to their funeral so there's like so much unknown and then that leads to a deep and dark spiral of depression and like with depression you can I know for me like it only takes this much like you can fall apart at any moment disproportionate to any circumstance right right like and you tend to I would say like over general generalized I said this the other day that it's like you wake up and say you know let's take a sip of coffee off my coffee was shit I must be shit I'm a horrible person like and that's just how your mind goes like so for me it's been

really great to just pay it forward to because I do feel like it's a major thief of human potential for young and old or for that younger demographic in that next generation because I feel like because youth uprising is a big part of my story too because I remember 10 days before I wrote my article it was Parkland Florida had happened yeah and then you saw what those kids did for for even mental health related as well but like gun reform and safety in classrooms and like what are we going to do to change this paradigm and and you know help help the world help the country in that way so it's very complex like I'm still

learning a lot like I have globally I know I just read this the other day that for every 10,000 people suffering there's one licensed therapist and the rate of depression anxiety has gone way up but in this second as opposed to 20 second quarter as opposed to 2019 the second quarter now depression is quadrupled in America it's at least one in four people now so over are you able to kind of recognize if you're going through something that like you said earlier was like disproportionate to how upset that you should be you've realized to recognize like when that's happening as opposed to just you know

being upset about something that is normal to be to be triggering you for sure and I know a lot more now just in working with the therapist but also like I talk about medication like obviously there's there's Western and Eastern philosophy and a lot of the Eastern is like medication is not it and these drug companies are just trying to to profit and you know capitalize the whole thing so but for me medications been huge getting that right it just sets the baseline for me to actually do the real work it really has been amazing for me so I know you know when I wake up in the morning I have my routine I'm such a

routine based person in a creature habit that if I do that I know that those triggers will less it's very it's a lot less likely that they will come up or they will arise if I do forward motion and I always I live by this this quote I'm a thorough quote at you but first of all you can't heal what you don't reveal like I had to express it outwardly in order for me to you know be myself and be comfortable 100% in my own skin like the best you know say oh you know Olympic gold medal and we started off with that Olympic gold medal and 2016 World Champion you know Cleveland Cavaliers 52 year drought the whole

thing but one of the happiest moments in my life is when I just walked into a room and felt like I'm just I'm just me I can just be me in any situation so that you know I feel comfortable in my own skin more than I ever have but so I know where my triggers through the work are gonna come from and I know like when I start to get down that sleep slippery slope what can happen and because the thoughts like you have to recognize the thoughts understand why you're doing that and doing the work because the thoughts are the thing that can be really disturbing yeah I have to imagine that just for most professional

athletes it's such an unnatural position that you're put in when you think about like human beings as a species and just how the world works to have you under such a microscope where you know regardless of whether or not people know you you have 20 to 60 million people that have a strong opinion on you yeah one way or the other there that's not like a natural position for a human to be in and I would guess that that would really set off a lot of triggers for a lot of players and they develop coping mechanisms that at times might not be healthy sometimes they are healthy but for like professional

athletes to be speaking about it makes others you know vulnerable enough or I guess accepting the fact that like yeah I've dealt with this stuff too so it's going to be it has been like a tidal wave almost I think it's actually a really good thing you guys about yeah Paul George came out and said the other day goes man I was I was really struggling I didn't factor in you know not this isn't verbatim but he's like I didn't I just counted how big of a deal or how much mental health actually affects you because I was dealing with anxiety I was dealing with depression so I hit him up I'm like dude for you to say that with

how big like how big of a player you are like that that is huge yeah working on social justice education reform like all the way across the board they made an amazing job I feel but for him to say that is so big it's just like DeMar saying it because you also have to factor in like racial lines play a major factor when it comes to mental health and you know if you're going out for a job in corporate America or you're coming up in you know a classroom trying to to be you know whatever it's valedictorian or trying to have a lot of success like if you if you allow that to be spoken you put that out into the

world you know I had DeMar say something to me at the Aspen Ideas Institute last year and it was last I believe May and he said he said something to the point of and this is what I got out of it is that it's just another weapon that people who you know can use it against you will use it against you yeah so you don't want to be vulnerable plus we don't have enough racial diversity in people that can treat people of color so we need more people of color being therapists we need more people of color working with them so that they can get the best out of them in any other way because we need early intervention we

need early intervention with these kids because your brain is gonna change way before your behavior so finding that and you know however you can do the screening that as I mentioned early that's gonna be huge that's gonna be huge but we have to level the playing field with that create tools have research educate continue to beat down the stigma like there's so much to this so many layers to that and the tough thing is if somebody has bipolar disorder schizophrenia you know acute anxiety depression like you can't put you know myself and big cat into box and say okay you guys both have bipolar

disorder we're gonna treat this one way right we have to have alternative ways to know the triggers you know pinpoint exactly what you know kids are going through everybody's going through and how are we gonna treat this because it's just like with my meds like I had a toy with it in order to get it right how can we treat this person the right way so that they can reach honestly their full potential and that sounds like you know a happy ending or a failure to a fairy tale version like the work is gonna take a long time for me I know that I will never get rid of this imbalance yeah and it's something that I just had to

change my relationship with but it's been really freeing for me yeah I'll say it's worth the work and it does get better yeah you can manage it and you know it's it's gonna be an issue but it's also gonna be better and more smooth overall yeah if you do take that step yeah I agree big cat like that was yeah kind of a huge moment I think yeah and I also think now it's it's cool and I don't want people to think it's it's just me no no I remember seeing it being like Kevin love like this is because it yeah it is there is a stigma male athlete like talking about this stuff is hard so right and I do like I understand

that it's it's probably easy for me to just I mean easier I should say and I mentioned the racial lines or you know so somebody who doesn't have to worry about their bills their kids you know it's you know a white boy from suburban America to family parent home that so many layers to it but it doesn't matter it doesn't discriminate also it was like with you know Robin Williams dying or or Kate Spade or you know that Anthony Bourdain was a quarter I was talking about yeah on my Instagram earlier it's like it just shows you that success is an immune it's a very good point yeah and like it just does not discriminate

who you are socioeconomic status gender profile whatever it does not it doesn't care and it's a lot of the time it's inherent like it's it's it's in your gene pool is already that imbalance so and I want at any point somebody's gonna deal with grievances loss it's I mean I guess what I'm trying to say is it's there's so many layers to this it's so complex but it's really we're in a pandemic it's the pandemic that nobody's talking about right because globally it affects over 300 million people depression doesn't anxiety I mean it's like I think it's one-third of Americans now have but you know are

suffering from both anxiety and depression that's every third person you can't heal what you don't reveal I like that the fact that it rhymes I think that's a big thing just remember I remember oh it's a Jay-Z line oh well good yeah no we knew that was a Jay-Z line yeah Carter it was on the car but it just texted me saying call him back so I guess I'll call him back we can keep going finally the hard question at what point did you realize that LeBron was an alcoholic just hold on let me ask you this alcoholic sheesh no he's not an alcoholic no no no no he loves wine alcoholic does that yeah I'm saying is

it what's the lesser of two evils to be more like drunk on wine or like power or drunk on power where he trades whale I forget my proverb did you feel did you feel pressure to drink wine around him yeah but but again victory is reserved for those willing to pay its price true okay there I like that too Sun Zoo but was that yeah Art of War was he saying like drink this wine and you will win like Michael's secret stuff yeah but it was like the blood of the blood of Christ it's become a phenomenon yeah it's pretty cool to see Jim McCollum also has 85 bottles of wine in his hotel room oh I thought he brought it in I was

gonna say I offered I offered I think he got it on film but I offered I think he wanted to like sell it to everybody else that was there so we just had a shitload of cases brought in knowing that like they might not be able to get good wine in the bubble I'm gonna have the market cornered on it that's yeah what's a Jimmy Butler did with coffee coffee yeah 20 dollar coffee yeah who do you think is doing that right now with marijuana who's got a roof there's a stash house JR so speak that was my other question speaking of JR what was the locker room like after the finals game when he ran out the clock it was tough you know but

a lot of people forget you know like there's so much like there's so obviously in every game there's times we're like fuck I wish we had that possession back I wish we had a time and score you know hoping he was within a few feet of the basket right there it's tough it's really tough like also also with George Hill like people forget the free throws as well so it's like that's where it becomes like a you throw everything in it's an accumulation like it was both right right but that was that was tough because it's not like he threw it up there he air ball they threw it up and it went over the bat like he threw it up

he got this shit you know pushed into the third row he like went backwards did he say anything in the locker room like what was the first I felt it was like Mario Kart when you're in eighth place and you just want the blue shell yes go backwards and you just start firing yes like when they're about to Bowser's Castle they're just about to like yes make the jump so Wario Stadium but who did it who's who talked who talked first made the leap no who who said something when you get in the locker room was JR Smith like yo my bad I think it was a given yeah like you just don't say I'll just put his head down like I

mean he knew yeah and that that it was just a tough position because I love swish love swish he's such a good dude he's so misunderstood he's fucking he's just an awesome awesome guy but in that moment I mean everybody has that it just happened to be like when it happens on the biggest stage like that it's just something that always excuse me you'll never gets magnified yeah if I was tough I have two tough last questions one what kind of soup was it the JR Smith through mmm that is a great question it was um it's one of my favorite favorite what's the Campbell's tortilla soup oh tortilla soup that's pretty I feel like tortillas

soup depending on how you make it to can hit a little different when yeah I didn't have some skin did have the chips in there that's what yes I can cut somebody yeah no I really can't if they're stale right you better forget it yeah if it's got chips and then the hot sauce can sting afterwards if you put like sauce and you have if you have any Tabasco in there too little not so much but you put the right hot sauce in there right it cuts you and then it gets into your port Steve yeah were you surprised how big of a story that was afterwards that like the details of it was a cup of soup that was thrown were you surprised that

that was the funniest thing was in perfect Cavs fashion like I told you we thrive under chaos like we had a NBA meeting at the facts like a night they say 90 minutes to 120 now two hours and he walked in and just sat down like nothing happened here now just pretending back but Blake said that he doesn't have service who needs to FaceTime audio hey man I I just saw those those wildfires in Southern California I was hoping I was calling in to see if you're okay okay so what is the smoke into your house in LA oh oh you're on the East Coast where where are you that's funny we're in the Hamptons yeah

we're actually a Kevin loves house right now and have you ever been here have you ever been here oh that's interesting because it seems like you were planking within this morning and you knew we were coming over and then you just were like I don't want to see my guys so oh yeah all right well yeah yeah you're out yeah Blake Blake lovely he had homerun derby with Seinfeld in East yeah okay all right well enjoy the Hamptons man we'll be here for the rest of the week I was just kidding we're leaving in like an hour so thanks a lot

damn it Blake so somber yeah he really didn't seem what makes it harder is he didn't even seem that upset that we caught him yeah whatever show me your background yeah okay I forgot today was the day I gotta go here all week let's see do I have any other questions I got oh I do have one last one so the barcel sports main account famously tweeted out a couple years ago it was a video of a bunch of it was a white guy dabbing around a bunch of black kids dabbing yeah and the white guy was the last one up and it's we did like this is Kevin love trying to fit in with his teammates and you replied well being able

to fit in with his teammates has gotten that little white kid a lot of primo box over the years so what is the what is the most important way to fit in to get primo box lose 30 I think the respect I got from having a chin strap probably led me into but by the way the best part of that whole thing is I was like primo okay where is the emoji it was the perfect emoji yeah it was to have that for box it was great yeah it also you I don't know if it's FedEx or UPS but it was a very funny tweet but you when you were good it was a good yeah like it's a good comeback when athletes respond like that engage people it's

always a win for that it's amazing by the way I love barstool yeah so you were because people definitely thought like oh man he was mad I didn't think you were mad I was a great clap back now yeah it's an amazing clap back and I would imagine if I came at you guys there would be some some price to pay with a clap back yeah there'll be a little bit but then I also like the year later you got a shipment of wine that came in a box I think from LeBron and you took a picture of it and you tweeted at us and you said look at this primo box exactly so it takes on a life it's own I actually said like I have guys people on the

road you're interim Blake right now until such time yeah but typically when headcoats you get fired up on the nuts like have this drug but did you tell him we were coming here yeah yes this is like this is like your first all-star we're gonna see guys he goes we're David Stern right now we're giving you a blanket show god damn it as Spence is my witness he goes yeah I've been on shows guys are cool that's like being like oh yeah this is my best friend and they're like yeah this is my friend yeah oh that's why I can acquaintance you got no no we're actually really good friends yeah like oh shit really like

that yeah I love you the primo yeah primo box was yeah that was great yes great great oh I did have one last one Clay Thompson you played literally baseball them you do we not have pictures of that we do why don't they show like when Clayton Kershaw and Matt Matthew Stafford played it was Clayton Kershaw and Matthew Stafford yeah yeah those two they always throw that picture out there yeah like I feel like we never get that picture of you guys playing little I think they did it once because I remember Van Gundy you know I think it was Mike Breen Van Gundy and Mark Jackson like they always do the games

together right and by the way I actually love when they do the games they have a great call but the they call the games great but they they brought that up and they had the you know they highlighted the faces on this giant K plays more so young he was the only 11 year old on the 12 year old I'll start team pretty cool and Van Gundy always has like the good sound bites he says you know can you imagine being one of those kids on that team and being like I played with these two guys that are you know all multiple time all stars in the finals all NBA guys like you imagine what that must have been like like looking back and

looking so it's a cool photo it's a really cool photo were you guys awesome we were awesome we're we should have and we felt like we should have made the Little League World Series but we got at state we had this one guy that like you did or you did it yeah what do you mean you should you felt like I mean we felt like we should we didn't make it we're at state and we had this guy that threw like us how do you say his name submarine yeah this guy through basically submarine he's throwing 70 which like you know they do the the adjustment to you know it's like inflation yeah 98 miles an hour guys

throwing heat and nobody can hit it except for our like top three hitters the bottom of our lineup was was bad well I felt like you should have won the entire thing yeah thank you I felt like we should just my thoughts yes I felt like this interview went really well yeah and I felt like I was great friends with Blake Griffin until 30 minutes I was told I take some getting used to but I felt like this really well you were good well no from the outside people like oh what's this guy who says that I just felt like LeBron JJ told LeBron JJ definitely was like Kevin Love takes some getting used to I think I think JJ was

trying to scare you away yeah he's got a podcast now he's trying to keep you all to himself yeah when are you gonna do your podcast I'm sure you got one in the works everyone I mean I feel like as far as podcasts go bar still is pretty much the way to go yeah if I'm not on you know but I'd be competing with you guys yeah we could call it I want to be a celebrity guest stop fitting stop trying to fit Kev out and start trying to fit Kevin yeah and I'll have a program show where we say just yeah well you're a recurring guest now so when we do want you back on which will be like in three months we'll just like hey when you go

to the delete eight perfect which is a great name for it is that is that an official name or is that just what you call it I mean I've heard that before so I just used right I think it's a great name yeah delete eight delete eight good luck are you trying to win how important is it to you if you asked me three months from now and we ended up winning that if we won that that would probably be all things considered what's what's going on if we won that it'd be a big deal oh listen if the bulls win that I'm making shirts I made shirts for them winning the summer league yeah I want shirts even when we just start that's a

delete eight finalists yeah I'm gonna say listen we listen we made it to the quarterfinals yeah yeah that's true we felt like either win all right well Kevin has been awesome thanks so much thanks for making your way out to the Hamptons beautiful that interview with Kevin love was brought to you by dude wipes the show sponsored by dude wipes it's the original flushable wipes for guys while everyone's stocking up on toilet paper you need to be stocking up on dude wipes better than toilet paper dude wipes are multi-purpose to use anywhere on your body big cat which has happened three transition three I'm

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22 field goals they win this series and he averages more than 40 that'll be like insane the crazy oh actually Billy you know what I forgot to bring it up on Friday I was fucked you don't believe that I'm not even watching you don't believe in that I believe in that terrible gambler yes terrible pic correct and both these teams stink more lay it on fuck you for even big game yes give it to me go away but Billy I forgot about a firefest for you on Friday oh there that's no no way that way another sign right now they're gonna take it off was on the line fucking insane it was on the line anyway what has he been

he's been averaging 40 it's like 38 before this game I know he scored 40 back he scored over 40 back-to-back with no turnovers which is fucking ridiculous Jesus Christ go ahead sorry if he scores more than 40 in game seven it'll be over 40 for sure they got to stop hitting these three's he scored 42 50 I just lie 14 now I'm screwed in three and four Hank that screws it um but Billy I forgot about your firefest on Friday so I tracked down with the help of our darling Jake the actual preseason game that my avatar on Twitter the picture that it was taken from it was in October or no excuse about August 15 2010 Titan Seahawks

game yeah we found the footage online you have to watch the entire game you can't look away you're gonna watch it live on a live stream so live stream is gonna be Billy watching the football game if Billy looks away call him out because he can't look away from the screen I want you to find the section that game that my Twitter avatar was taken from and then make clips of it and take some more screenshots because I want to find out who this dude is do I have to do you find the right broadcast I think so the Seahawks broadcast we found the Titans broadcast but the one that we you still have to watch this and if it's

not in there then we have to track down the the Seahawks version of the broadcast awesome so you will be doing that on a live stream I was loved on cover but you can't look away you actually have to do work and your work in this circumstances literally sitting still watching football on TV can you do that it's the easiest assignment you'll ever get Billy okay I'll do it okay got this um all right so anything on Billy's list before we get before we do our lottery numbers oh let's see Bella Thorne's ruined only fans oh fuck and so did Billy yeah I think it's more Billy I do like this quote from Les

Miles he said players opting out because of COVID-19 concerns are actually opting into the pandemic oh they're letting the pandemic win exactly yeah you're simping for a virus wow that's actually a great spin so it's a great wonderful spin zone I like that a lot get naked and other advice to fend off a polar bear attack okay I like that if it's white say good night take your clothes off that's how you can remember that mm-hmm boom but don't do it on only fans because you won't get paid for it okay so let's do oh sorry we're game to do it was game two and three that he sucked at I'm looking at it right now

all right we're ready to do the last it was I heard the broadcast earlier it's 30.8 I thought they said 38 like he's averaging 30.8 points per game so it's still possible but when I heard it earlier I thought it was 38 30 point and then eight sounds like he's also averaging 30 points and eight points at the same time like so that would be 38 to your to your point all right you ready for picks let's do it so here's the deal the beefy question I'm gonna give the winner of this is gonna get us link for butcher box you ready for it I'm only gonna give it to the winner okay butcher box the best receive quality meets

liver to your door now butcher box all right what are you guys gonna pick a number I'm going 17 17 17 wait is that where you're gonna pick clothes clothes clothes clothes 13 everyone knows Hanks lucky number 83 okay someone write this down I'm 17 70 I'm gonna go 54 what numbers are hot right now 16 18 44 44 Jake Scott 44 what do I have Jake I don't know what you say 50 54 because it's for 13 96 96 is the winner 96 is the winner all right Billy butcher box comm slash PMT awesome that's your code dude that is your code butcher box comm slash PMT that's your code yeah let the meat talk Billy yeah

ooh donovan Mitchell just threw his chair donovan Mitchell was mad I do have a question for the lottery machine okay can it help us solve a problem here yeah because Billy was trying to recruit us to do sober September whatever that is I guess Billy just doesn't want us to drink during September along with him we said no emphatically to that it's not because I think we had any plans on getting loaded in September but I don't want to be told what to do by Billy yep but we talked about flipping it on him okay just getting hammered extra during September while Billy is not drinking at all I like that September

and I want to ask the lottery machine how many beers should I drink during September oh okay good one I will I will match this number I lost 96 which is unfortunate I will I will abide by the lottery machine and the show with this how many beers will PFT drink in September I hope it's like three and then you basically have to do with me they don't just I'll drink liquor and mad dog for you didn't say how big the beers could be yeah four kegs yeah four kegs that's like six six hundred seventy beers bro you're too you would never dude I'm not gonna lie I really miss I really missed it what do you say you're too

lazy to acquire okay you won't acquire 4k wow I can't acquire you out you will not acquire I guess I have to buy four kegs now you called your ass I will buy a keg during September and I'll bring it into the office and everyone's allowed to have some except for you wow I'm excited for keg day I'm gonna put it at your desk in a bucket come into work and be like hey guys like I'm not going to college I have no friends they all left which is very hurtful because I thought we were good friends well yeah but so then I'm like hey do you guys want to do this thing like it's stuff people do and then it's like no fuck you for trying

to do something healthy well no now I want to get loaded you made me realize you rekindled my love for beer Billy thank you and September's like such a good name September's a yeah that's a great September join join along let me know and let Billy know if you're gonna play along with part of my take big cat do you want to get involved I'm in I'm in September September we're all drinking four beers minimum this September beers with the boys it's happening Billy I wish you could join but I might do sober October October I didn't agree yet I don't have a partner I was gonna do so I might join with you or am I not allowed

you're not allowed okay so I guess I'm have to do so we're September for Billy dude I'm the boys are getting loaded I will I will lie being away from my machine all weekend really suck cuz I just I let's do one more yet so many questions being around I just love being around it's the power of this machine what Hank what oh you won't go play your freaking call duty dude have nothing to do with this is real life I just laugh like when you guys are gonna keep it tight we're gonna keep it tight we're gonna keep tight and then we just like we do six we got a lottery machine alright last one last gonna get even a

rod question but yeah all right fuck I don't have one stop it I don't I can't stop I'll do I got one I got one I got one for the next one okay all right all right was that the odds is that 20 does you see does Hank suck at video games odds yes evens no odds yes odd yes odd yes odd yes oh 39 it's odd you suck dude your Nerf guns dear lottery machine should Hank have Billy do his taxes for him if it's a 51 to a hundred I like it is yes okay one to 50 is no okay Hank you have to do it I just won't do my tax again oh where's it damn it I should kept track of the

numbers that it was picking okay one more if it's oh if it's 20 and above then hey Billy has to do it 20 and above or no 20 and below how about the odds 20 if it's the visible by three okay visible by three visible by four Billy has to do a drunk 25 25 shit neither of those all right damn it a lot of machine is spoken dude all Murray 50 burger unbelievable dude is sick all right see everyone on Wednesday I love you guys and we have Billy's new segment which is Billy's fun facts Billy 90% of koalas you gotta talk louder you gotta talk louder 90% of koalas have Chlamydia I still couldn't really hear

that this is an insane amount one more time I had this really crazy I had this really crazy dream where we went to the beginning oh 90 about 90% of koalas have Chlamydia and I had this crazy dream we went to interview Elon Musk and we were like why does he want to come on the show like there's no he's like what like he knows who we are and then we went to his house and he locked us in his basement and he was like you're not allowed to leave the basement 90% chance anyway like people who handle koalas and zoos sometimes catch anyway Elon Musk wouldn't let us out to a cave a hot take to charge his time

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