Pardon My Take - Logic The Rapper, Deion Sanders & Mt Rushmore Of Animals We Want To See Fight

Episode Date: September 8, 2021

We're back on back to back days and Jerry O'Connell has drafted our fantasy team for us (00:02:21 - 00:09:14). Blake Bortles is being slandered and libeled (00:09:14 - 00:12:44). Mt Rushmore of animals we want to see fight to finish Mt Rushmore season (00:12:44 -00:33:50). Hot Seat/Cool Throne including Paul Pierce not apologizing (00:33:50 - 00:45:54). Bobby Hall aka Logic The Rapper joins the show to talk about the ups and downs of his career, his new memoir, growing up in a dysfunctional setting and tons more (00:45:54 - 01:27:37). Coach Prime, Deion Sanders joins the show to talk about his big win on Sunday, Gillie costing him 15 yards and his documentary Coach Prime (01:27:37 - 01:45:59). We finish with guys on checks.You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/PardonMyTake

Hey, pardon my take listeners, you can find every episode on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or YouTube. Prime members can listen, ad-free, on Amazon Music. On today's pardon my take, we have a two-fer for the people. We have Dion Sanders off his big win, Jackson State home opener, and also talking about Gilly getting a 15-yard penalty on the sideline. And then we have Logic, the rapper, awesome interview with him, he's got a new book out, so check it out.

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We did it every day for all those years, big cat. We were just here. So not a lot has happened since we were last here. Other than the excitement of like actually getting into post Labor Day, like this is truly the season. It feels good. It feels good. Like summer's over.

Sorry. Sorry. Anyone who says summer last past Labor Day is a loser. We're so fucking pissed. Summer's over. We're so fucking pissed. It should technically last to like the 21st, but if you're really going out there and like hitting the lake in late September, you catch me in the Hamptons week one NFL season.

No, thank you. Nope. Nope. I'm done wearing white. Yep. Same as me. My booty won't be popping. I think it's the sign of, you know, me growing up in my age, but as, you know, the vacation

guy, the summer guy, this is one of the first years where I'm like excited that the summer is over and I'm excited for the fall to have Hank is Hank is by the way, I think people have picked up on some of the clues, but Hank is definitely going through his quarter life crisis and it's great. He's, he's like got a trainer. Yeah. He's working on his golf game. Wait.

Quarter. That implies more breakup related, but okay. That's fine. That's fine. Yeah. Quarter. No, but quarter life is right around when everyone's like, oh, okay, but that the time period between 26 and 29, everyone goes through a moment where they're like, wait,

so what's, what's the, what's the deal here? Time to grow up. Yeah. I'm going to switch to PPR. Mm-hmm. Fancy football. Exactly. It was a big change.

Half a point. You never, never look back. Huge. We're going to Hank live till like 120. Yeah. I was going to say doing the math on that Hank is basically like a Galapagos sea tortoise. Yes. Well, quarter life.

I mean, you just say quarter. I mean, a hundred, hundred. You can live to a hundred. Yeah. Fuck it. It's also, he's got a trainer. Yeah. How's she doing?

Dude, they don't know how long we're going to live. I think it's a hyper violation that I told you guys something off the air and you've just blown up my spot every show. I don't appreciate it whatsoever. Think about this though. They don't know how long we're going to live. Mm-hmm. We've never had a generation that has had all these medical advances with, they don't,

we could live forever. I'm done telling you guys about my life. Okay. They think the first person to live to 200 has already been born. Hell yes, Billy. Look who it is. What story said that? No, no, we don't.

But they know that. Who said that? So they've already been born. There have been studies that have been done. No, big cat, you didn't read the studies. Billy read. It just came out. But seriously, they don't know how long we're going to live.

I mean like our grandparents lived to their 70s and 80s and they were eating bacon and egg. Unless they lived around elevators. Yeah, they had a very, very long life expectancy. But no, right now I feel like it's been 77 years for the last 60 years. What's up scientists? Like I don't, that's why I don't trust this whole Billy football study that just came out.

200. 200. That's a big gap. I love it too. We just missed like 120 through 140. Maybe. How old is the oldest person in the world? If you were to guess off the top of your head, how old do you think the oldest person in

the world is? 110. How old is Luholtz? It's probably some, no. 10 years old than Luholtz. No. It's probably some, it's probably some like. Donnie's grandmother's three digits.

Yeah. It's probably some four foot five Italian woman who's been eating pasta and drinking wine every day and like, you know, she's just living off the land and it's a beautiful existence. What? The world's oldest person is 118 years old. It's Kane Tanaka of Japan. Oh.

That doesn't impress me that much. How tall? That's a good thing for you, PFT. Short people definitely live longer. Yeah. Because we don't have this mass to like pump all the blood through us. Their life is significantly worse because their whole life is short people, but they do live longer.

Close to the ground, better pad level. All right. So wait, what's his name? Tanaka? Kane Tanaka. And he's probably, she is probably what? Five feet tall? Four, four, seven.

Still looking. What were you going to say, Hank? Say it. Say it. Say it, Hank. No. Say it. No.

Just say it. No. What? Nothing. Don't rob the pay, Hank. Come on. You've got to take. I don't.

I have nothing to say. Don't. Oh my God. You're robbing the people. You're withholding takes on this show now. This is not fair. Yeah. Stop blowing out my personal life and I'll start giving you my takes.

Self censoring. You have a trainer. It's a woman. HIPPA. HIPPA. Hank's getting in shape. All right. PFT, you mentioned Jerry O'Connell has drafted our team for us.

How did he do? He did. Good question, big cat. He just used auto-draft. You knew he was going to do that. No. He tried. He was texting me all night on Friday, all morning on Saturday.

I got him logged in and then like 15 minutes after the draft, the entire thread started blowing up. People being like, is anybody else not able to draft? But to Jerry's credit, he did not make the draft on time. That might be, who knows, I'm just going to blame Yahoo on this one. But he's been very active on the trade, like on the trade block. He's already trying to trade? He's trying to trade?

He's proposed like seven different trades. I love it. To the point where I've got Turtle blowing up the trade, the thread for the entire group being like, Jerry just sent me the most offensive trade request that I've ever seen. That's how you negotiate. Order the deal. He's shooting. Yeah.

But here's who's on our team right now. Nobody cares. Brady, A.J. Brown, Tyler Lockett, Christian McCaffrey, Chase Edmonds, Darren Waller, Robert Woods, Joe Burrow. This is a good team. Duke Johnson, Cole Beasley, Justin Tucker, that, you know what, I bet you Jerry probably drafted Justin Tucker first. This is a decent team.

Then Washington defense and special teams. I like our team. I like our team a lot too. I like our team a lot. Right now we've got some, some pending transactions. He's got, he's got seven different pending transactions. What's the most offensive one he's sent? He's big time like trying to trade a lot of people for one good play.

I love it. That's how you win. Yeah. So let's see. There's only enough roster. Oh, he's trying to, he's trying to trade for Patrick Mahomes. That's good. Yep.

Shoot I'm good. Every single trade that we have out there, we have at least one more player offered than transaction than we'll be receiving. I hope Florian listens to this segment and just punching air. Yeah. You like that sort team is Jerry's kids and Jerry, don't fuck this up. Don't fuck this up. Don't fuck it up.

Jerry's a sweet guy. He keeps asking me who he can Venmo. I don't think he realizes that he's just a figurehead. And that we're sponsored by Cash App. Yeah. So maybe just shoot, shoot him back that and see what he says. Yeah, but that's our team right now. All right.

Any other news? Well, there was some news. Blake Bortles, the, there was a report out of the Broncos. So what, tell me the exact story. Well, this is, it's still speculation, speculation right now. Free Blake. But allegedly, remember that game last year when it was the Broncos against the Saints that everybody kept saying like, how come the Ravens got their game, you know, just

postpone for a couple of days and the Broncos had to play it with no quarterbacks on the roster. All four of their quarterbacks were deemed close contacts. There's a report that Blake had a great idea because he's thinking outside the box, a problem solver. And he said, why don't we take the tracking devices that we wear and just put them in the four corners of the room. And that way, everybody will think that we're socially distanced because Blake's a people

person. He gets energized by being around the fellas. And so they did that. They got caught on the videotape. It was, it was shown that they were all sitting together. And then Roger Dill said, well, I'm not going to make an exception for you guys since. Now the report that Blake was the mastermind about it is still the one, it's still speculation. It's from that Albright guy.

Oh no, fuck that. And that's not the real, no, then they're framing Blake. Yeah, that guy's worse. No, it's set up. Blake's been set up. Blake has been totally set up. He is totally, totally innocent. And it's a shame that they're blackballing them.

They're Blake balling them from the NFL. He's not on a roster and he should be. He will be on a roster, I'm sure of it. As soon as we can clear his name, that's, that's why we wanted to discuss it on this show only to make sure that people knew that it wasn't real. I want to, I didn't realize it was from that guy. That guy's the worst. He, we should sue him.

We should sue that guy. Okay. Consider that guy. We should sue Blake Bortles. We should sue that guy. Consider a lawsuit filed. Unless, of course, Blake was actually the one who did it, then we'd say that was a solid friend move.

We're posturing. Yeah, right. At this point, but if, but I'll say, I'll say, if, if Blake had done that, it shows two things. One, that he is a problem solver. And again, thinking outside the box, trying to figure out how to hang out with a fellas. And two, the fact that the entire quarterback room went along with it shows me that Blake is a leader.

Right. And we're all looking up to Blake as the alpha in that group, furthering the reasons why he should be on an NFL roster right now. Okay. So I'm looking right now. So he, yeah, he, he, he just tweeted about it. Like this is bullshit. This is, this is libel.

This is slander. This is hearsay. Any other words? Uh, it's disgusting, disgusting, all of it. It's Fugazi is what it is. Fugazi, Fugazi. Mm hmm. Also, Billy, he's a troop.

So you're the only one that's allowed to engage in a mutual combat, given your experience. Since your arms are, you can do it. Didn't you actually tell us one time that your hands were registered in the weapons? Yes, they are. Because you watched. That was right after he sent an email to me and Dave and asked if, if there's any rules against having his trainer bring a handgun to rough and rowdy. I mean, that's it.

When you register as a professional boxer, which I had to do, you technically do not get a manslaughter charge. If you were to punch someone and they were to die, you'd get a murder charge. Ah, again, but you could do that. Yeah. It's a mutual combat. Uh, I don't know if that's what if you have punched a guy and he throws out his shoulder? No, then it's assault with a deadly weapon.

That's a win. That's just a fucking win. It's an assault with a deadly weapon. What if a guy punches you and then breaks his hand? Are you in trouble because your jaw is too strong? No, I have no idea. I was just told that probably to keep me from getting into a fight outside of the ring, which I don't want to do.

All right. Let's do our Mount Rushmore. Our final Mount Rushmore of the season, Billy got to pick it before we do that sling TV. If you love watching live sports, but you're tired of the high prices, it takes time to take control of your TV experience. It's time you got sling. Sling is the place where your favorite channels ESPN, NFL, Red Zone, SEC network, golf channel, FS1, TNT, all of it.

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This is the finale of Mount Rushmore season football is fully, fully back on Thursday, which by the way, we're going to have Pete Pritz go on for Friday and we're going to record obviously after the game for we're going to have fantasy fuck boys back. We're going to have some I have the can't lose parlays. I'm fucking pumped. You know what? I'm listening to the sound of my voice right now. All you have to do is make it through one more day and then it's football season.

Yep. And then it's football season. Let's fucking go. So Billy, the Mount Rushmore is animal face offs. Animal face offs. So there used to be a television program back when I was a kid called the animal face offs. It was my favorite and it would just have like simulations of different animals fighting each other.

And I thought it would be great to make a Mount Rushmore of animals who want to see fight. So it's animals we want to see engage in combat. So under the rules of this Mount Rushmore, humans are not allowed. Humans are not allowed. Because Billy initially wanted to allow not only humans, but also humans that are dead right to be brought back to life to fight in these type of things. And he wants to do dinosaurs. I think we should not allow either.

I know. We're going to do strictly animals that are currently alive and not extinct, not including humans. Okay. Got it. Okay. All right. Perfect.

Great. Let's do it. 17. 29. 69. Oh. I didn't think you were going to do that. That's good.

That's good. I get it. Well, you always forced me to choose because everyone picks under 50. Like 66. Good job, Billy. Billy. Am I getting hanked with the numbers? No.

Yeah, dude. We're totally faking it. Because you guys all pick under 50 and then I had the largest span of numbers to pick. I picked 50. Right. So I picked 69. Correct. So I'm closer to most numbers than you are.

You explain how you won that perfectly. Okay. Do the order. We're going to go first, then hank, then PFT, then me. All right. And how is Jilly doing? As a... Uh...

Came in dead last. No, no, no. I'm saying like... I forget that. I'm saying how are they doing... We haven't won in a long time, but we do not have the lowest point... Do you feel strong about this or are you guys working well as a team? What does that even mean?

Is that like of the total percentage of votes or something? So wait, you're saying like we're... You're undervalued as far as the computers go. It's still a tag team, but this is Billy's moment. Yes. It really is. Like he has to win this. We...

It's like... You... On the clay court right now. We're just here to... Yeah, we're just here for a good time. Billy, you really have to win this one. No pressure though. If I don't, that's gonna...

Yeah, no, it's gonna be terrible. I may retire from Mount Rushmore. It's gonna affect your legacy. It's gonna be terrible. Okay, so one of one, we're going Silverback Gorilla versus Grizzly Bear. Okay. Nice. Good pick.

Nice. Who wins? I didn't do specific animals like that. Okay. All right. I had that, but I just didn't know like... I just had Bear versus Gorilla, but yes, I love it. Make sure with type of Bear.

Okay. Yeah. I'm gonna have to scramble here, folks. Black bears are basically large raccoons. Yep, that's true. What type of gorilla is Harambe? Silverback. Silverback.

So I'm gonna go Elephant versus Silverback Gorilla. Nice. Island Gorilla. I did... The Island Gorilla. Yes. I love it. Yeah, the elephant outweighs a gorilla by like a thousand, probably like five thousand

pounds. Okay. But if the elephant can fucking get on his back and get him in a chokehold. That's true. Tapping out a gorilla. A gorilla can tap out an elephant. How do you know? He can just grab his trunk.

He can't get around his neck. He can get on top of him and just fucking... Do you know how big an elephant is? Yeah. All right. All right. My 1-1. Like Mighty Joe Young can fucking fuck that thing up.

Yeah. Yeah. Mighty Joe Young is not a gorilla. He's not real. Right. But you know, he's based off a real thing. My 1-1 is... There's gotta be big gorillas out there.

Pretty simple. Tiger versus male lion, like with the mane, the whole thing. Okay. Okay. And then battle the big cats. All right. I'll go with... I'm gonna go shark versus crocodile.

I really want to see that. We actually... A little spoiler. We have Bear Gorillas on probably next week. And we talked about salties, he was calling them. Saltwater Crocs. Saltwater Crocs. I really want to see that fight.

That fucking thing. They just thrash around. Spoiler alert. He told us that we could not defeat a saltwater croc. But I kind of debunked it. But he also didn't take into account the fact that I think that I've seen outdoor shows where they hypnotize a croc by doing something with its nose. Yes.

I think we're good. So I would do something with its nose. I think we're good. All right. So that's my first pick. Shark versus croc. I will go next pick. I would love to see hippo versus rhino.

They're kind of the same thing, right? Great. That's a great pick. Thank you, Billy. Amazing pick. They're like... It almost would be just watching the Oklahoma drill. It'd be fun.

It would be very fun to watch those two guys go out of each other. It'd be very fun. I had a similar one. I think I can still use it because it's not hippo. I took elephant versus rhino. I like it. I had that as well. I like the matchup of the tusks and the horn.

Yep. I think the elephant would win, but I would like to see it. They're worthy foes. Yeah. Worthy adversaries. And also, just a heads up, I don't want to see anyone be like, hey, you can actually see this fight. I don't know if I really want to watch these animals fight this more hypothetical thing.

You know what I mean? You know what I mean? Someone's going to tweet you and be like, dude, you can watch this elephant smash the brains out of this rhino. It's like, I don't actually want to see it. If you have a video of an elephant tearing an ACL, send it this way. Yes. They're doing the crate challenge.

They're breaking its arm. I'd be down for that. I am one of those pussies that watches animals eat each other and I'm like, oh, that's fucked up. Why would he hurt that gazelle? Oh, yeah. You're watching Battle of Kruger and the crocodiles going after the other, trying to eat and survive.

Fuck you. Don't do that. That little kitten. So it's a fucking lion that would tear you to shreds. Yeah. The duality of men show me human beings breaking their faces. I'm down. Show me a ferocious lion getting killed and I want to puke.

Yes. There's a difference between slapstick comedy and a snuff film. Yeah. It's a fine line. Hank, your next pick. I'm going to go. So this is based off my favorite scene. I'm a big Planet Earth fan and watched them all.

Great program. They're going to come out with a new season soon. Iguana first Killer Snakes. Oh, yeah. Remember the video? It's slow mo and it's the Iguana running and there's like all these killer snakes coming after them. The best is when they set it to the NFL Sunday countdown song and it's just like, it's weaving

in and out of the sea. I'm pretty sure that was on. I don't think that was in Iguana, which I think that I was wasn't a Komodo dragon. No, it's one of the black and they have in South America. I thought it was a Komodo dragon. They're indigenous to the volcanic rocks. They're black and they sneeze out salt water. Okay.

But it was it was a shit ton of snakes come out this one Iguana, so I'd like to see it if it was, you know, in like whatever the Coliseum 1v1. Yeah. I think the Iguana might stay in a better chance. I think so. I like it. We're going to go with a Siberian Tiger versus a polar bear. Okay.

Now, nice. Bill, is the Siberian Tiger, is that the white one or is that common misconception? Common misconception. The white one is just a color morph, a variant, like blonde hair versus red hair. Okay. But the Siberian Tiger is the largest of the tigers and the polar bear is the largest of the bears. And I think it would be a great match up on various different levels.

Is that why you're looking down your nose at me when I selected like the standard male tiger? You, I mean a Bengal tiger is quite small, relative to something quite small. They're small. They're probably like 900 pounds. Like there's dogs that are quite large. Okay. Yeah.

I like that pic though. Tiger polar bear. Good match up. Okay. You have another pic. Jake, have you, have any of these been your pics? No. If they were, they probably wouldn't get approved.

Yeah. Well, actually this, this is our last pic. No. Okay. Do you want to do one? Oh. Thank you, Billy. Oh.

I'll do one. Uh-oh. I think alligators and crocodiles. Oh. One of them. Fighting each other. Yeah. They're on top of the other.

They're very similar. It's a major something's got to give. Yeah. Yeah. The Steelers and the Ravens. Exactly. I like it. Very identical.

Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Do you like it, Billy? I approve. All right. Let's go. Nice.

Nice. I would like to see like a diesel shark going out of whale. Like we're trying to pick him apart, swim around him. Like I know whales are like not really fighters. Yeah. But I think if it was getting attacked and like maybe like the shark was, he was protecting it from his family or something, the whale would fight back. But obviously the shark smaller can swim around.

I don't know. I like it. I'd like to see it. Yeah. I would like to see it. Killer whales and sharks, I think they are natural enemies, aren't they? Mm-hmm. Like they can fight.

Yeah. Well, killer whales, you know. Is that true? All the times, sometimes they find giant great white sharks with bites out of them and they're like, what the hell is eating these giant sharks? But there's no video. Killer whales. I would show me that video because that sounds awesome.

Okay. R.I.P. Telecom. Wait. No. Yeah. You fucked the whole game up. There you go.

Free telecom. All right. All right. What? No free telecom? I think, wasn't it like him getting out there was what fucked everyone else up? No, but if you freed him, he wouldn't have all the trainers to smoke. Oh, no.

It was him reproducing. Yeah. All right. That shit was fucked up. My next one, I'm going to go, I'm going to downsize a little bit. Wolverine versus Honey Badger. Nice. You had that from Billy.

You had that exact matchup? Because Billy knows that the Wolverines, their bite strength is the strongest in the animal kingdom. Insane. And the Honey Badger don't care. Yeah. True. It's a fact.

Good pick. Thank you. All right. I'm going to go into the sky for this one. I'm going to go Falcon versus Hawk. I don't know specifically which ones, but I'd like to see that like a old school fighter pilot situation. Maybe, what was it, Dunkirk?

Yeah. Dunkirk or Top Gun? Top Gun. Yeah. That would be a dog fight. Yeah. But it would be birds. Yeah.

It would be sick to watch. All right. My last pick. Billy, I need a little help for something. I just don't know what's, what's the, what's a step down gorilla from like the biggest gorilla? That's all I need help from. Chimp.

A chimp? Yeah. Chimp. So it goes gorilla chimp. There's not like a beta gorilla. A bonobo? A bonobo? Bonobos are small aren't they?

What about baboon? Maybe a mandrill. A orangutan? Orangutans. Orangutans. They got wingspan. Strong? They got the wingspan.

There's no like little gorillas? Mini gorillas? Chimpanzees. Those are mini gorillas? Basically. How tall are they? About PFT size. That's pretty big.

Are they really? Are they strong? Yeah. I mean, have you seen the documentary? Yeah, they're like documentary. Did you not hear? That Martin Bush did? On Travis?

Okay. A bill ape is the second biggest gorilla. How tall is it? What? Shown at five feet. Okay. All right. Most bill sizes are comparable to other large chimpanzees.

I think the only reason I'm not going full silverback gorillas is because I think they would dominate this fight, but I'd like to see an ape, some type of ape that can stand up and box versus kangaroo. So it's like an old school just boxing match. We actually are just squaring them up. I just think the silverback would probably dominate a kangaroo, right Billy? I think that's right because I've seen kangaroos get hit in the chin. They got a button.

Yeah. If you catch them right, they're kind of, they get stunned. What do you think Billy? Would a silverback crush a kangaroo if they just, if they really square it up? I want to see like, essentially they're like going to, yeah, going to like an Irish pub version of let's step outside between a kangaroo and an ape. I would go with a lowland gorilla. Okay.

So then lowland gorilla. Perfect. Iowa. Lowland gorilla versus kangaroo. Give me that three rounds, one minute rounds. Perfect. All right. So for the last one, I'm going to go, I'm going to go to the sea, to the high seas.

I'm going to take a giant squid versus an anaconda, anaconda that you might find in like the Amazon river and have them go at it. It would just be a lot of, like a lot of tentacles, just all limbs just trying to choke each other out. Yeah. What Billy? Bonk. Oh.

What? Bonk. Why is that a bonk? Bonk. I don't know why. No, it's a phallic snake versus an octopus. That's true. That is a bonk.

There is such a thing. By the way, I found this out a couple of years ago is randomly talking to this person and she was telling me that she used to write tentacle porn and I was like, what the fuck is tentacle? Apparently people do actually write like fanfic about like giant sea monsters that fuck each other like Kraken's just going at it. I did not know that at the time, but I know that this was, this was not a bonk. I think it's bonk worthy that you're saying that it's bonk worthy on me, Billy.

I think you were looking for the bonk on this. No, but if you, P.S. He's right. If you think that's sexual, then you're the pervert. Yeah, that's bad. I think that he thinks so. You're pervert. No, no, you're perverted.

He might subconsciously think that, but he's, that's okay. I've won that part of my brain off. So yeah. It just came out. It did. Just slithered out. All right, Hank, what's your last one? I'm going to go with the, I think the biggest animal in the world, the giraffe versus single

hornet. Oh. We need to like necks it to death. Yeah. Just, yeah. Stings its necks swim around. Okay. I don't like that.

I actually, I considered doing the anaconda versus the giraffe just because that's a lot of neck for it to strangle. All right, Billy, finish us off. Hopefully you're good. He's thinking folks. It's Mr. Relevant for the entire season. Yeah. True.

Did anyone think about doing that? Well, no, I should wait till you do your last pick. Giant squid versus sperm whale. Oh. Okay. And nobody's going to bonk him on that. Nope. That is totally normal.

That is a very typical animal. That's a very typical animal. Yeah. I'm going to go. I'm going to go. Listen, in the animal fighting community, a lot of people talk. It's like Pacquiao Mayweather, they've been trying to make this match for a really long time.

It's like Hasbulla. Yeah. Billy's like drawings of the naval, like a naval sort of mythology. Yeah. It's like honking me for a giant squid and an anaconda. You're like, yeah, I'm going to have to come whale and try to take it off. I actually, I just called an audible in my brain. I had another one down, but I did what you did with the touchback.

What was your other one? I'll, we can grant you, this is the last pick of the whole season. No, no. I want to stick with the sperm whale. All right. Okay. The only one that I thought about, I think it would be interesting, but it probably, this is one of those ones that everyone would just send me videos.

Just an all out rat versus pigeon fight would be fun. Oh yeah. A rat versus pigeon. Yeah. It's like, who's the nastier animal? Yeah. I think I got to go rats on that one. I think so too.

The only way that the rats would win if they just started eating the pigeons, they're like, this is fucking gross. Yeah. Let's go home. Rat versus pigeon. What about a coyote versus an actual road runner? That'd be fun to just like stumble upon in nature. Yes, it would.

Yes, it would. Very fun. Any other ones. When you see a dog pissing on a fire hydrant, you're like, yeah, that's a classic. Good job. Cape buffalo versus American bison. Who'd win in a, oh nice. Okay.

Who'd win in a lion versus a polar bear? Lions are too small. But like a big lion. Like a Siberian tiger. And a small polar bear. Okay. That's more like a grizzly bear. No, but I said a polar bear.

A small one. Okay. I mean, polar bear would win. Okay. What about like a runt of a, like, what about a polar bear? Like a baby polar bear versus, of course it would lose. What about a teenage polar bear versus a huge lion? Have a chance.

Okay. All right. When do polar bears like turn pro? When do they learn how to kill? When do they stop being able to, when does a polar bear officially be able to beat a lion? Once it kills its first seal. Okay.

Yeah. But a seal is way different than killing a lion. That's a big step up. Well, actually polar bears can like fight walruses. So that's also not that. The walruses are fat fox. Yeah. But with just, with two giant knives coming out of their mouth, I wouldn't, no, they're

just kind of, they look like Mike Holmgren. Yeah. They do like when you put straws in your teeth and you're just like, oh, look, I'm a walrus. Huge tusks. What about, okay, but what about a polar bear that has only learned how to kill a baby seal? I don't think that you can say that that can take out a lion. Yeah. Well, if they're like gigantic.

Major step up in competition at that point. Well, at what point does a polar bear stop becoming cute? As soon as they finish their coke. Yup. Billy, could you choke out and add a teenage polar bear? I get pretty cut up, but maybe. Yeah. What about, what about a, is a polar bear the strongest bear?

The polar bear is literally the largest land carnivore on earth. It literally. Yeah. It's the biggest and probably most dangerous. Wait. Oh, carnivore. Carnivore. Yeah.

He got it. Got it. So I was thinking, wait a second. Elephants. Giraffe. Rhino. Those guys just eat salads all day. I had.

It's crazy to get fat eating salads. Means that they, they fucking house them. Yeah. I also had, well, before we, we stopped allowing human beings, I was going to say Major Biden versus a reporter. I was going to say Conor McGregor versus Jake Paul. Yup. I'd like to see that too.

I'd like to see that too. I'd like to very much see that. All right. Good mount Rushmore. Billy. Great mount Rushmore. I think Chris Paul versus Possum would be funny too. They just both fall down.

Chris Paul versus bad insurance plan. Yeah. Yeah. Michael Vick versus a pit bull. I think everyone would like to see that. I would watch. Yeah. Send me a video if you actually have that one.

Yeah. Please. John versus Tiger. That was on mine. Who do you think is the most dangerous human to ever exist? Hmm. Obama. That's hard.

H man. There we go. There we go. Nice. Nice take. All right. Let's do our hot seat cool throne. Then we'll get to logic and then we have Dion Sanders.

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I was thinking of Sebastian Vettel, just a lot of F1 going on in my brain. I'm just constantly thinking about, you know, the track and whatever the fuck they call it down there. Yeah. So that's my bad. Sorry to all my Mercedes heads. They did sign a new guy though. A new young guy.

Yeah. George Russell. Georgey. He's like, he's like the people's champ on online. Everyone loves him. They just love him. I was thinking about that the other night, instead of like trying to get a driver that could potentially beat your golden boy, they should just get the fastest driver and then

just kind of slip on a little bit of green alcohol into his water. Just have him be the best driver. Have him drive drunk. But just like a little drunk. Yeah. Yeah. When does the season end? Sometime.

Never. I mean for me? For me? F1 is life. It has ended. Yeah. This last Sunday was the last race. And then my cool throne is Paul Pierce.

Yeah, that was mine. God damn it. You have another one. It's okay. Who'd Paul Pierce do? There's an article, Chris Mannix wrote an article, came out and he was basically like, the video, there was rumors that the video might affect his Hall of Fame vote and he's like, I don't give a fuck about that.

There's players that are way worse. I quit ESPN because they were making me talk about LeBron too much. I didn't really want to stay there anyway. And he was like, I'm divorced, I'm single, I'm doing what everyone else is doing because I took a video of it. It should affect my Hall of Fame vote, which is 100% true. So he's in the cool throne. Yeah, it was a big time.

Sorry, not sorry. I just don't give a fuck. I don't think that the professional basketball Hall of Fame has a clause against hiring strippers. Right. And he was, that's what he was saying. There's people in the Hall of Fame that have done way worse things than just having strippers when you're a single guy. Yeah.

Yeah. He was my cool throne as well. It was just a whole article of him being like, I don't give a fuck. And they made me talk about LeBron too much. Yeah, it's a straight ESPN propaganda. And my other cool throne was Waffle House employees. Yeah. There's a great fight video of a Waffle House employee just fucking up a patron.

Never fight a Waffle House cook. Right. Just a great video, a good reminder for the people. If you're drunk, don't come at the employees at Waffle House because... You'll get fucked up. He was ready to throw hands. It was awesome. The best part of your day at Waffle House is when you get...

Time to fight. Yeah. You're three fights that you get into on the clock. Time to fight. All right. PFT. My hot seat is the Buccaneers because it looks like Jerry Jones is playing, I don't know, some monkey business with Zach Martin.

So it was reported that Zach Martin, who is not the most talented player on the Cowboys offense. I'm not even going to say the most... He's the heart and soul of the Dallas Cowboys offense. He was diagnosed with COVID or tested positive for COVID. Apparently, Jerry is about to break out the private jet, get whatever secret formula that they have to make it go away real fast. And Zach Martin has now been, I think, upgraded to doubtful, out of out.

He was out initially and now it's like he might be able to do it. So Jerry Jones is doing the thing that every fan does where a guy gets injured and then you just tell yourself, well, maybe it will just work out and he'll be better instantly. Yeah. He's going to have him on a plane ready to take off until the very last second. I think Jerry's just trying to play some mental warfare games with Tom Brady because Tom Brady is already playing the mental warfare games against the Cowboys saying they've got a huge advantage because they've got so many defensive players that wear single digit numbers,

which I haven't seen yet. It's a PR 101 from him. Yeah. Yes. It's a pre-excuse. Yeah. It's a PR. I like it.

The cool throne is Halloween. Uh-oh. I just, I saw a fucking Spirit Halloween story yesterday. Oh no. In America, it's like we have four seasons. It's spring break, the 4th of July, Halloween and Christmas and that's it. And every year they all come sooner and we're not even, it was Labor Day and they set up the spooky skeletons in the windows.

But I think also this is going to be a huge year for Spirit Halloween because we had so many businesses that totally went out of business over the last year. Yes. There's so much more retail space. I mean, there could be one on every single block. Our downtowns are getting taken over by Spirit Halloween this year and also somebody brought in Halloween candy today, like the Halloween themed Kit Kats were in the office today. Oh, I saw those.

Yeah. It's tough. All right. My hot seat, I actually don't, I don't have one. I had Paul Pierce in my cool throne. I forgot to write down a hot seat. You said Mayo. Mayo.

People went at me big time for Mayo today. And also, I think Cam found an old take where I basically was like, we did the Mount Rushmore dipping sauce and I put Mayo on mine. Yeah. So we've been a Mayo podcast since the inception. Yeah. He found a blog that I was going to write that was just in defense of Mayo. You should retweet one of the funniest tweets was when you did your, what'd you make with

Mayo? Like Mayo nachos or something? Mayo nog. Mayo nog. Mayo egg nog. Yeah. Mayo mac and cheese. Oh yeah.

That was what I got Dion on where I said, here's my homemade recipe for mac and cheese. It was dry ass noodles with just like a bottle of mayonnaise next to it. Yeah. In 2016, all my Mayo boys stand up time to de-stigmatize Mayo. So we've been fighting for Mayo for a long ass time. Yeah. Mayo is not bad. No.

And you get labeled as a Mayo freak if you defend it, but that's how far the Overton window has swung to the point where it's like, oh, people see someone say one positive thing about Mayo. Yeah. And they're like, ship this guy back to Brussels, this weirdo. Yes. A perfectly normal amount of Mayo on a tuna fish sandwich or a turkey sandwich. That's the most American thing that you can eat.

Yes. And Billy or Jake. My hot seats, the Indiana equipment team, Indiana football, Indonesia. Yeah. I saw that. So unfortunate. I'm going to be nice to Indiana because they all got mad at me when I said that Indiana has got to have more than one good season that just happened to happen during COVID and

all their breaks went their way. Was that during the game? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's tough. INDINIA.

Mm-hmm. A cool throne is Max Scherzer, so he just had a 13 strikeout game. He's six strikeouts away from 3,000. I keep forgetting he's on the Dodgers. Yeah. And if they're in the playoffs, they're going to be in the playoffs. But I think Kershaw's right, but if he comes back, him, Kershaw, Walker, Bueller, that's it.

Yeah, no, it is. Yeah. Good team. Yeah. Very interesting. The Giants are good too, though. Him and Trey Turner. Yeah, they are.

Yeah, thanks, Jake. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Anyone else you want to mention on that team? And everybody else on the team who's afraid of Max Scherzer? Like, they're afraid to get near him during starts, and Max is like playing it up to them a little bit, trying to just intimidate them when he's just like fucking around with him. He actually doesn't care if you go up and you talk to him.

But he is a crazy person, all that said. Yeah, absolutely. And I wish them nothing but the best. There we go. As a Washington sports fan, that is what I've grown accustomed to doing, is just cheering for players, leaving my team to do well in their new homes. They're forever homes. There was a clip a couple weeks ago where he came off the mound after an inning, and

somebody patted him on the back, and he was like, don't fucking touch me. Yeah. Yeah. I love that. Keep that energy, Max. Billy, hot seat cool throne? My hot seat humanity, Jeff Bezos, has just bought a good chunk of an anti-aging company that's seriously into anti-aging.

So, Jeff Bezos might be- So, maybe that's the 200-year-old thing. Exactly. That's going to be Jeff Bezos. He's going to be Jeff Bezos, and he's going to rule the world. That's probably just going to be his girlfriend. Whatever hole he's in at the time, he's like, yeah, she's going to lift the 200 too. My other hot seat has been Mintz.

Yeah. He's getting back on the wagon in regards to his diet because he's been doing really terribly this past week because of the hurricane. Wait. Sweet. Wait, what? Yeah. He was eating pretty badly this past week.

Because of the hurricane? Yeah. He's been stress eating. It's a real problem. But you guys just started the Mintz experiment. I know, within the hurricane hit, and then he's sitting worried about the hurricane, which is very valid, but I have a job to do. Right.

He's on the Nick Saban diet, just sitting in front of his television, eating oatmeal cream pies and watching the weather channel. I'm not saying he shouldn't have been stressed about the hurricane, but it seems like he kind of owns you because he can be like, yeah, I'm stressed about this. I'm going to eat next week. He's going to be stressed about this. He's going to eat. But when he's in his apartment, and you can hear the crinkle of the bags.

You've got to go in there and steal it from him. I know, but he was in the middle of the hurricane. I didn't know. He was like, you know how he yells sometimes? Billy, how seriously do you take your job? Very seriously. That's why he's back. It sounds like you're intimidated by the hurricane.

So I made him write down all of his cheap meals. I saw that notepad. It was a long list. Yeah. Then I added up all the calories hypothetically, and now for every 500 calories, he owes me a suicide at a local basketball court. So that's where we're getting to. All right.

It sounds like the Mincey experiment's not going well, but nice try. We're going for it. Okay. We're sticking to it. Cool Throne. We're going with Derek Henry. It turns out Derek Henry has a legion of practice squad players who are basically his stiff arm dummies.

So there was a video that went viral about... That was Will Compton's job last week. Was that his job? Probably. Well, they're on these pads, and you see Derek Henry running past, and just basically you have these practice squad players on their hands and knees, and Derek Henry just is stiff farming them as they sort of lunging him, and he's just hitting them in the head repeatedly. And I just couldn't imagine being like those players next must have like serious nerves.

I don't think I would take like an NFL player's salary. I don't think I would even like be on an active... If you were to come to me right now and say, PFT, I will pay you $2 million a year to be a linebacker. You'll never have to get in a game for the Titans, but you get to wear the uniform. You get to be part of the squad. I would say no, if that's what my data did. That's just...

A man's got to have a line. Yes. Right? And I think that that line... I have too much pride to just get stiff-armed by Derek Henry through the crust of the earth every single day. Agreed. They should develop some sort of dummy to do that on.

And also, Cool Throne, FCF Schools. The single-game tackle record was broken by Fordham player Ryan Greenhagen, who had 31 tackles in the game against Nebraska. There you go. Wow. Ram Fam. That's insane stat. 31 tackles.

It's only 25 tackles in the NFL held by Ryan Erlacher. Little bears. Ryan Erlacher. Ryan Erlacher. Is that his brother? Ryan. I said Ryan. Oh.

That's Brian. Casey is his brother. Everyone's bookie. All right. Let's get to our interviews. We've got Logic, the rapper. Awesome interview. Something a little different.

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Okay, we now welcome on a very special guest. It is Bobby Hall, aka Logic. He has a new memoir out. It is called This Bright Future. So we want to talk to you about everything, your career and rap, books, the fact that you're a streamer, everything, but let's talk about the memoir first. So This Bright Future, it's out September 7th. For people who don't know Logic, that don't know your background, you had a tough childhood.

So my first question is writing this memoir, like going back and remembering everything. How difficult is that? Because I have to imagine it's not an easy thing to live through and write about painful memories. Great question, man. Yeah, definitely. It's weird. I've always been extremely open, you know, with myself and all the things that I've gone

through, especially and particularly through my childhood. So it wasn't like this insane, intense, gut-wrenching experience. It's stuff that I've talked with my friends about, you know, and I've been able to cope through that. It was definitely weird to kind of do it in chronological order where you take all these memories because I worked with a collaborator who helped me basically, I mean, every word is mine. You know, this is my book.

I wrote it. But this person, like, you know, I thought it would be amazing if we had conversations. So it's almost like this person kind of interviewed me and then we took my transcripts and, you know, I organized it all and then he also helped me kind of just create this linear story of my life because he would just be like, hey, how do you feel about XYZ or when's the first time this? Or he'd be like, tell me about your mom and then I'd be telling him, you know, experiences from 17, four years old, nine years old, then my dad and then get and then one, I don't know,

somehow that would just turn into me talking about being 28 and having a huge hit record and that. So we kind of took that and put it all together. For me, it was a really cathartic experience. It was really fun. It was definitely emotional at times, but not in a bad way, in a very good, just a good way. Yeah.

Did you actually go back and read it after it was all put together? Dude, I've read this book like a thousand times, especially because I did the audio book. And like, so I read the whole audio book as well. So I narrated it, I should say. And when I was doing it, is my mic level cool, by the way? Yes. Yes.

And the difficult part about narrating your own book, or at least a book like mine, is when I like explain shit, you know, when I'm like, yeah, man, I was on stage and then this guy jumped off the second story and almost broke his kneecap and my brother came out of nowhere and punched him in the face and then the cops showed up, like, that's how I tell the story. Now, your average narrator of literature may take their time with every word, but not me, man. I wanted it to be an experience where it's like the person listening to it's like my

homie, you know what I mean? So with that, even though I wrote it and even though I had to read it and proof read it a million times before we actually got to the narration of doing the audio book, when I'm telling this story and it's really super crazy and that shit, okay, messed up when I'm telling this story and it's really super crazy. And then that's when this dude showed up and he actually held me hostage. These are all true stories, by the way. It's you have to match that.

It's like a match cut that has to be perfectly done, like almost in film or when punching in music. And luckily with rap, you know, like, not like I'm showboating or anything, but I have a song and one of the lyrics, it goes, fuck rap, but it's not like an addict with a semi-automatic who didn't have it in you ready for anybody to buck back, hold up, catch a vibe, you know, we know how we, so if I fuck up right there, hold up, catch a vibe, you know, oh shit, I fucked that. So instead of doing fuck rap, you know, but it's not like a semi-automatic who didn't

have it in you ready for it. I'll punch in on buck back. So it's, it's, I kind of took that experience with music tonally to be able to do like a proper cut, but I mean, dude, sometimes I'd kill it for like a paragraph and then other times it's hard to get through two sentences because of the enunciation and it's all got to be perfect, but it was fun. Okay. So what you just did right there, your flow, your ability to, you know, rap so quickly.

When was the first time you realized you had that ability? Because it blows my mind, like every time I hear someone be able to do that, I can barely put a sentence speaking together. So when was your like, oh shit, like I have a special gift here. It's definitely something that I had to work hard at, you know what I mean? Like I worked my whole life to get to where I am professionally and just even ability-wise to do that. So I studied the greats before me, you know, Nas, Big L, Big E, Tribe Called Quest, Wu

Tang Clan, Bone Thugs and Harmony, you know, even Ludacris. Ludacris has like, his pronunciation game is insane. Yeah. Like he would do the fast raps, but it wasn't like, and I even remember my brother when I would first start doing these fast raps, he was like, but nah man, you sound like shit man. He's like, I get it man, but you got it like, you know, and I'm just like, yeah, it's the one and only and I'm here and I got it at the time and your tongue's all fucking up.

And like, so you really have to take that time. It's really about muscle memory. And then you learn that it's truly muscle and air. I know this sounds stupid, but it's like, right now I'm just talking to you, but when you're rapping, it's just pushing air out literally. Well, I know it sounds almost like duh, but it's like, there's a certain sequence that, you know, not to sound sus, I'm just saying like your tongue moves and your and your lips and all these good things that you don't even think about, you know, yeah, straight up.

Get down to lay down. Hit you with the breveti. Get better. Stay down. Straight shots on the playground. Live in harmony with the light that I'm giving. It's just, it comes out naturally after you've done it a million times, but it literally, you know, they say 10,000 hours.

It's like, it took a very, very long time. That's really interesting to me because I, and we're kind of idiots. So like this, this world is not something that we're extremely familiar with, but like we always relate everything back to sports because we're dumb. So like when you're trying to learn how to, you know, how to get faster and at the same time keep that same annunciation, like are there other exercises that you're doing? Or do you like clock yourself with a metronome and you're like, got up to 150 BPM today? Like is it like an athlete that's training to run a 40 yard dash?

I think so. Yeah. Um, for sure. Because I used to rap and run like I would like run and I was like 110 pounds and smoking cigarettes will be there, but it's like, yeah, like you definitely take that time. I mean, it's, it's a muscle, um, and no matter what it is, and I mean, it's even deeper than that, right? It's not even just the technical skill or ability.

It's also like what, what sounds cool. You know, like if you're going to have a punchline, like I remember I wrote this punchline. I had a, uh, my last album album, um, it's called no pressure and it came out last year and I'm obsessed with Quentin Tarantino, right? And so before once upon a time in Hollywood was even out, I had come out up with this punchline. Now, Rick Dalton is played by Leonardo DiCaprio and Cliff Booth is played by Brad Pitt. And before I even seen the movie because it wasn't out, I just saw their IMDB page and

I knew Cliff Booth and Rick Dalton. And um, there's, there's a line that I have, um, where I say money ain't the key to happiness and that's the truth, feeling close to the cliff, like Rick Dalton in the booth, like the booth of rapping. So it's, it's like, it's not just about necessarily technical ability. It's also wittiness and being able to pull things together. But you know, that also came with listening to so many people before me. I mean, everything and anything that's kind of already been said in rap, I mean, music

in general, it's already really been said. It's just about how you say it. I mean, you can only make, but so many punchlines about, I don't know, you know, I sell, I see, like you can talk about rocks of cocaine, like I sell big rocks like Mount Rushmore or some shit. Like somebody's probably said something like that. All right. Thank you.

Somebody's probably said something like that in one way or another already, but it's just, it's your take on it. It's so part of my take. There we go. So yeah. Yeah. So you got the memoir that's out right now. Have you stopped to think like, did I, did I use my memoir too soon?

Because like, are, are, can you go back in like 10 years? What's the, what's the timeframe that you have to wait if you want to write another memoir? What a good question. Great question. I don't plan on it. I don't, I don't plan on it anytime soon. It just felt right.

You know, I mean, literally, you know, black dad, white mom, dad on crack, mom on drugs, like, like I said, been kidnapped, held against my will, shotgun, sold drugs, you know, toward the world, had mental health issue. Like it's just so much stuff that I've gone through that it just felt right. That like, okay, now is the time to say it, um, 31's young. Yeah. It is. You write a memoir in your life, but I think in many ways, it's funny.

So like last year I, I had retired. But then like literally less than a year later, I kind of un-retired, which is funny, but I don't give a shit what anybody can say on the internet. I woke up one day and kind of wanted to do it again. But the fact of the matter is this is like, I really did retire in a way. I, all, it was about, can you get the number ones? Can you go platinum? Can you this?

Can you that? Can you that? And really a lot of that started with a chip on my shoulder being back in Maryland and people being like, oh, you're ain't never going to have a mixtape and then you make a mixtape. It's like, well, you're never going to go on tour and then you go on tour. Okay. Well, you ain't never going to sell out 500 and then you sell out 500 cap and then 1,000

and then 5,000. And before you know it, you selling out Madison Square fucking garden in New York City. You know, you got almost 10 platinum. I think, yeah, 1,800 is almost diamond now. Like it's just all these things that people say that, that you can't do. And it's been a journey and I've realized getting back to my point, sorry for going off on this tangent. But everything that I've done, everything that you could kind of do as a musician, like

I've hit that with the exception of winning a Grammy. I never won a Grammy. And I was over that shit. I was over the hamster wheel of like, oh, okay, because it's like you get a number one and then what another one and another one and others like, bro, I'm 31. I don't need to be rapping like I'm 22 and hip hop, especially as such a young man's game doesn't mean that men can't age in that. But as far as trying to be like, look at me, look, I'm on TikTok, like doing a dance.

Like, no, I'm not motherfucker. I'm taking care of my son. And you know what I mean? And being with my wife and my friends and doing other things. So that last album, no pressure really, I think is a retirement of like that era of the last decade of my life of grinding with music. And now it's like, if I want to rap, I rap, if I want to sing and play guitar, I do that. It doesn't have to be this big like thing because in music, you could drop an album

like mine, you know, sell a quarter million units in its first week and it's really amazing. And then after that, you could just drop like a fun project or something you did for fun and people would be like, Oh, you fell off because you didn't do as much. And it's just like, that's not a world I necessarily want to live in. It sounds, I mean, this might be, you know, not projecting, but like it sounds like at some point you get almost trapped in your own success where people are just saying like, Oh, well, the next thing's got to be bigger. The next thing's got to be bigger.

Now, when you did retire, did you like actually give it a honest try of like, I'm not doing anything? Like, did you actually retire? Oh, of course not. No, for sure. Hey, JT, can you tighten this for me? Um, just this strap. Sorry, guys. Um, no, no way.

Like I'm such a workaholic, like I was constantly even still making music. I mean, that's one thing that you don't just lose, you know, you don't lose the passion to make music. And for me, it was also, it's cathartic. It's, it's a way I've always expressed myself. You know, I came up in a family where it was just yelling and screaming and drinking and crying and passing out and all these different things. And I found a way to escape that through music and actually talk about my feelings. And it's funny because I got made fun of in hip hop, especially for doing it.

You know, they made for being like, it's okay. And, you know, anxiety happens and people are like, fuck you, you idiot. Like, you know, but, um, so yeah, I was still constantly doing that and then film. I mean, films, my thing now, dude, I'm, I'm, I'm throwing a couple of million dollars into this film that I just wrote and I'm starring in it and it's like a legit thing. And I'm excited and I've wanted to do it. And I just did this, uh, you guys know Joseph Gordon, an actor. He's an inception and a bunch of, yeah, he, we became buddies.

And then I just had this crazy role, like this whole episode is about me and my character. And it's not just some rapper guy. It's like just a regular guy and, uh, it's on Apple TV. And that just inspired me so much to kind of want to pursue that as well. So long story short, fuck no, man, I didn't stop. I'm not going to stop. I love working. I like it.

You, you basically use like the word retirement to just transition into a different phase of your career. That's genius. I, but I really thought I was going to be done with releasing music. If I'm honest, like I really felt that way. And I think a lot of it was, it wasn't anger. It was just like, I'm tired of being on this chopping block of like, and it's not just hip hop, just, just music in general, like entertainment.

Like, you know what I mean? Like, dude, it was crazy. It was like, I remember going through a divorce and then I meet this, you know, beautiful young woman after that and TMZ is like taking shots of us getting on a jet and shit. Now I'm not complaining. It's a champagne problem. Like, you know, there's, I've experienced worse shit.

But for me, it's just, I don't need that. I don't need people calling my 19 year old son ugly and hoping that he dies. So it's like, that's kind of the, the world that I didn't want to be a part of anymore. And then I realized, oh no, I don't need to stop making music, not to be a part of that world. I just need to unplug from it. And I literally haven't been on the internet in like two years. Yeah.

So, so you said that before we started you, you, when you say you haven't been on the internet, like, tell us exactly, like, are you saying you don't go on Twitter, you know, go on the hub, you know? Yeah, like, what, what, yeah, what do you do? Like, cause I'm jealous. Honestly, I mean, our job is very intertwined with the internet. We always joke, like we're on Twitter all the time because we do it for our job. There are many times we're like, we kind of wish we could just pull the plug

and just not be on it. But how, like, are you really not on the internet? Yeah, I'm really not on the internet. But that's amazing. That's the thing. I woke up one day and realized, oh, I don't have to be, right? So it's like, my job was that my job was trying to stay as relevant as possible. And, you know, listening to new music and beats and responding to fans all the time.

And this and that and blah, blah, blah, just everything was engaging and gate. I mean, bro, I remember, you know, at the height of me constantly being on the internet, it's like one post on an Instagram story would get like over a million views. Right. Like it was insane. Like I could just do one Instagram and be like, I'm scratching my balls. And people were like, it's a million fucking people. Now it's not, you know, it's like a couple hundred thousand or whatever.

But it's, but even that, what is that equate to? What the fuck does that even mean? So yeah, yeah, I was, I was, I was holding value of myself as a man and a human being to like how many likes I got. And then I'm like looking at Travis Scott like, fuck man, how come I've only got, you know, 900,000 likes and this motherfucker's got two million. And then I'm like, wait a second, I love Travis Scott. Where is this thing coming into my head where now I'm jealous of this guy or not?

Really? It's not like I ever had any like true, like, I mean, I fuck with him. He's cool. Every time we've ever seen each other, it's all love. I'm just using that as an example to what social media can do to, it can take somebody you actually like love and admire and want to root for and then make you like jealous of them and be like, what the fuck? And then you're constantly comparing.

And it's this whole thing. So I stepped out of that and I'm, I'm lucky enough to have built such a fan base, a diehard fan base in the rat pack, which is what I call them real all the time, that I can do that because before, you know, that song 1-800 blew up. And then the other songs that followed with Marshmallow and Eminem and all these other consecutive, I mean, hit records and that sound on type one was being real. Like before that, dude, it was like 10 years of grinding. It was 10 years of a slow burn.

So that even before I had those hits, um, I had platinum records. I could, I was selling out 5,000 cap venues, 6,000 cap venues. I was doing that. And I just had to step back and go, okay, you never know what could happen. I could drop a song and it could be a huge hit and I could go play Madison Square Garden again, or, you know, I could not try to do that. I could just do it from my heart and be happy with 5,000 people here, 3,000 people there, whatever over time, you know, as things may unwind.

But the thing that matters to me most is my son, my wife, and my personal happiness and venturing out into other dreams such as acting. Wait. So quick quiz, side tangent quiz. So you're not on the internet, like Mike Richards, Jeopardy controversy, no idea. I have no idea. I just found out about a crate challenge in the hood. Yeah, okay.

All right. Yeah, go ahead, PFT. Do the words bean dad mean anything to you? Not at all. What about, what about the guy who tweeted, uh, that he like didn't fuck his cats and basically was admitting that he was fucking his cats? No, he didn't come anywhere. Oh, he didn't come on his cats, but he might have fucked him.

Nothing. No, bro. Okay. What about the guy that may or may not have found shrimp inside of his cinnamon toast crunch? Man, the only thing I've heard of recently is this board eight thing. And then I was like, oh, should I drop half a million dollars on this? But you're, you're, you're now watching, uh, we have worms in our brains.

What we just showed you, like what, what we actually, like the amount of stupid things that we have inside of our brains is so, so bad. There's like 2% of my brain that has to have the information in it of like a father that gave his daughter a can of beans and asked her to open it. And for some reason, bean dad occupies real estate in my brain. And I would give anything to like cleanse all that stupid shit out. So I guess my follow up to you would be how long after you logged off line, were you able to stop remembering all the dumb shit that you used to care about?

It happens pretty quick, actually. Like when you really fully commit, I don't know. It's like smoking cigarettes or something, you know, like nicotine. It's like two weeks. It's like, damn man, you know what I mean? But then, and then you start to realize, wow, leaves are green. Yeah. Like, I know that sounds stupid, but it's like, you're like, whoa, hold on.

Like you actually want to look at things and realize like, yo, like, but it also kind of comes with its, I'm not, no, it's way more positive. The negative, yeah, the internet is a beautiful place, right? But the internet is a beautiful place like to connect us. And like, if you're using it for work and, you know, you guys, what you're doing, like it's, it's amazing. But just literally sitting there, mindlessly scrolling and then getting into like a YouTube section, comment fight and like, like all that is so redone.

Like I just, I can't do it. It doesn't really, doesn't do it for me. But one of the other things is like, my mind's constantly going all the time. So when I, um, when I'm off the internet and I don't really have anything to distract me, sometimes you just start thinking about real shit, like death. Like I just set up my will. Like that's a crazy thing to like go through, you know what I mean? But it's also, it gives you peace of mind.

I know your family's going to be okay and stuff like that. But it's just like a weird, like concept of, oh, now I'm alone with my thoughts. You know, I mean, really with my thoughts. And another thing that's scary, dude, is like my whole life has been on the internet. So now that I'm off the internet, there was a long time and some days I still question and wonder, like, am I relevant? Like, does anybody even care about me? And it's like, of course, I have millions of fans all over the world.

But the thing is I can't see them. And then, yo, I live in bum, fuck country, man. I moved from LA so I could shoot guns and fucking hang out. Like, you know what I mean? So it's like, I go to the store and it's Cletus, who's like, hey, Bob, there's no idea who the fuck I am, you know what I mean? But I like that it's given me such a normalcy that I'm glad that I have. But it just makes you kind of question, like, oh, is my career over on a Tuesday?

But then it's like, I don't know. You go somewhere and like 20 kids are like, oh, my God. And you're like, oh, OK, cool. Yeah, it's still got it. Still got it. It's interesting because like when you look up, when you Google your name, when you Google logic online, one of the first thing that pops up is like, is logic dead? And so I have to assume that that's just simply a byproduct of you.

Like if you log off social media for a week, there's a significant part of the internet that just thinks that you died at that point. So it's funny, though, because I've actually Googled many people and that comes up. I think it's like a weird thing, but I do agree with what you're saying. Yes, people could just think that you disappeared. Yeah. So you confirmed not dead. I think so. OK, good. Good. We can put that one to bed.

Have you have you listened to Donda? No, I'm not really in a rap. OK, there we go. Good answer. But I'm sure it's great. Yeah. Well, I know I did see we are producers, a huge fan. He sent us some some info and there was a you did like on complex. You did your top 25 albums of all time and three of them were Kanye. So I didn't know if you love Kanye, right, dude.

Kanye is like my favorite. I think that I think the issue not issue. There's no issue with me is that I don't give a shit. Like I don't mean that to be rude. I like don't give a fuck. Like my whole life was rap and who's the number one and who's got the hottest this and that and blah, blah, blah. But I'm listening to Bowie and like, yeah, I'm just chill.

Like, what are you listening right now? Give us a list of things that are like you're listening to right now. I like that constant. I love Mac DeMarco. He's a shit. I've been listening to a lot of velvet underground stones. When I do listen to hip hop tribe, man, you know, I'm listening to tribe called Quest, a lot of classic shit, modern rap, not so much.

One of my favorite rappers ever, his name is like he used to be in a group called Pac, Pac Div. He's amazing. So it's like, it's not like I don't like, I, I love rap. I just, when it comes to modern rap and shit, I don't really listen to it. But that doesn't mean that I hate on it. It means that I'm kind of the old head now. So I'm like 31.

So I can appreciate it. I totally get it. Those kids doing what they're doing right now is what I did 10 years ago. And there was some dude my age, like, I don't get this fucking logic. I just do it ain't black. What the fuck is this shit? Like, you know what I mean? Like it is, it is what it is, man.

Yeah, it's just progression. Yeah. So when you were growing up, you mentioned like a few artists, Bone Thugs, obviously Ludacris, Biggie. Who were, who were your favorite artists? Like not necessarily your biggest influences, but like, who were you the biggest fan of? You know, what's funny, dude is like, well, yeah, I mean, Kanye is really up there. I got to tell you, like it's funny that it's like, I haven't even listened to

this album and it's not really a thing. But I never really listened to music if I wasn't studying it, like ever. It was a weird thing. So like all I did was consume hip hop music until I was like 27, 28. Now, mind you, I'd listened to all kinds of music because I'm searching for samples and different. But once again, look at what I'm saying, like it was never really to enjoy. You know, it was always like, oh, how can I flip this guitar?

How can I do this? Or how can I do that? So I'd go, you know, searching for albums and different vinyls and things like that, but it was always work. So that's why it's like, I feel like I pretty much know I'm a student and I'm always learning, but when it comes to hip hop, dude, it's a, I'm a master. It's my craft. It's what I do.

I love it. I dedicated my entire life to it. So now for leisure, unless it's just midnight marauders or just some album that, you know, black on both sides, most death, like just so incredibly like I do take great pleasure in it. It's other genres of music and mainly like indie rock and shit, classic rock. So what, what, where does the enjoyment come in for you? If you, you know, look back at your career when you were rapping more, more

frequently, was it like when you create a song and you listen to it back the first time? Is that what gives you that rush where you're like, yes, I feel, you know, I'm proud of this accomplishment. Or, you know, when you hear somebody singing along to your song, when a fan comes up and says what's up to you, like, what was the, uh, what was the reward that you got from making it? If you're approaching it from this standpoint of almost like you're

putting together a puzzle, listening to all these different samples that you can fit, like, where does that, where's the enjoyment coming for you? Great question. Uh, yeah, I mean, you really, you really nailed, nailed it right there. Like the, the, the process of creating music is the most, it's like euphoric. It's like spiritual. It's weird, man. Like even to this day, like when I'm in the studio and I'm just rapping on

some shit or making a beat or singing, even if I'm strumming a guitar and playing it, like no matter what it is, it's the creative process because it's something new, it's something different or, uh, it's something familiar, but you're trying it in a different way. My favorite thing about music to this day, I actually hate that I have to release music. It's like a thing. It's weird.

It's like, I don't like releasing it cause so many people don't get it. They think they do, or they want to say what it is or what it isn't, and then it becomes this thing on Twitter. And it's just like a, you know, everyone's just herded. My favorite part of music is after I just made a song or dropped a verse or did something really crazy and my friend or my wife or my producer or my engineer or whatever, or somebody's listening to it for the first time and they're, they're over there and they're, they're, they're sitting and I'm like this the whole time.

As soon as I hit play, I'm like this and I'm just, I'm looking at them. And, and then there's like a crazy punchline. I'm feeling close to the cliff, like Rick Dalton in the booth and they're like, and they don't even look at me. And I'm like, oh, like it's just such an incredible feeling because I didn't fucking make it for some douche on the internet. I made it for myself. I made it for my friends.

I made it for the people that understand it, not the people that, because I'm fucking hate this, but like a famous person. So everybody just wants to have a say in what's good and what's not. What's this and what's that? And that's what I mean when it comes to releasing music. That's like the hardest part because, you know, there was times in my career where it's like, I'm in an arena. There's 22,000 people here screaming every lyric of like this really pop

and song I just put out or whatever, something fun. And then you go on the internet and everyone's just shitting on that song. So it's like a really funny dynamic to see real life as opposed to that. So my favorite part, my favorite part is yes, the creation. Yeah, I actually think what you just said. So I saw a clip, I think it was Ethan Hawke was talking about it recently, how we as a culture of kind of ruined creative things because it becomes like a competition where like, oh, the Rotten Tomatoes score on this movie

isn't good. So like, why would we enjoy it? Like, no, you enjoy what you enjoy. Like even us from a podcasting perspective, like some people don't like us. Well, guess what? That's OK. You don't have to like us. You it's not for you. You know what I mean? The podcast is not for you.

So I do get what you're kind of saying that like there's there's a level of like people will just shit on something or make it like, hey, it's not the best of all time or where does it rank? It's like, that's not what this is about. It isn't. And I think that's the funny part is like it's almost like I've had I've had like fans like back when I was on the internet and reading every little thing on Reddit be like, you can tell his heart wasn't in this and blah, blah, blah.

And they're like saying all this shit. And I'm like, dude, if my heart wasn't in it, I I wouldn't put it out in the first place. Like, yeah, maybe this is a song about me talking about like smoking dope and counting money on this record. And I'm not talking about introspective, you know, crazy shit like I like I do over here. But it's just like, bro, I'm multifaceted. I'm a human being like just because I'm rapping about having fun or singing. Like, dude, I dropped this.

I had a book called Supermarket and I dropped it a couple of years ago and I did a soundtrack for it. And so it's like this whole like indie rock soundtrack thing. And it's fun. I think it's really good. And I think the music I'm making now is way better. But it's like you have to start somewhere. So after being like this top tier rapper, I was like, oh, let me let me start over here. I don't know what the fuck I'm doing.

I have I have reverence and love and respect and I'm a fan of this. But I want to try it out. That's another place where I'm growing and I get to watch myself get better and sing better and and literally like shred on the guitar and like all and and learn this and if people are like sucks, like it's like it's like OK. Like, but at least I'm doing something that I love. Like, isn't it better to do that? Then then look, you guys do this podcast

because you're genuinely passionate about it. I'm sure it makes you some good fucking money, too. And that's not bad. But it's like, come on, man, if you didn't want to do it, you wouldn't be doing. And it's the same reason like I don't know the next time I'm going on tour. You know why? Because I don't fucking feel like it and it's it's my therapist. She calls it value over fear. It's like, what do you value? Do you value slaving away and having thoughts of like low key wanting to kill

yourself in a hotel room because you're utterly unhappy because you have no personal life whatsoever in the last 10 years of your life has just been this one thing over and over and over and over and over and over again. Are you just going to continue to do that thing out of fear that you might not be relevant or might not be as rich or might not be as or are you going to value the fact that if you step away from this portion of your life, you may be no, you will be so much happier, though. You might not be as famous.

You might not be as rich like who gives a shit, man. And that's where I had to come to terms with that for myself because it wasn't. It wasn't good for my mental health, man. Like it came up. You want to talk about doing something that your heart is in? My heart was in walking away from that shit, not being on stage, rapping a million miles a minute while I'm also like, everybody, everybody, everybody, I wonder if the hotel's got a good shower.

I can't wait to get this stage. Like, you know what I mean? You got to do what you love. That's in a very like smaller version of value over fear. I feel like anyone who's gone through their 20s, we're in we're both 36, but anyone who's gone through their 20s reaches that point where it's like, oh, I don't have to go out and drink a million beers. I could maybe just hang out at home and I would be really happy that I wake up

the next day, not hungover. Like that's as simple as it is, but it really is like that value over fear. Not not missing, not being like, oh, I'm going to miss out on all this shit. I'm going to be a pussy. I'm going to do all that. Like, no, I could just be myself. I mean, you said it. I can't even push my drop.

Like, yeah, dude, it's crazy. Like when I learned that a weekend has two like full days. Yeah, right. It's not Saturday and then like half of Sunday. I also think that you how old is your kid? Nineteen months, a year and a half. OK, yeah. Because I have a two year old and a three month old and I feel like we're very

similar in that like that, like adjustment in your brain is happening, which is hard to explain unless you've gone through it. Unless you've gone through it 100 percent. I mean, my son coming into this world was just such a giant change. It's so cliche. Everything they say, all the things are true. They're true. It's just it's so true. Like, I don't give a shit, man.

Yeah, it was on the road. Yeah, yeah, I just I just want to do what makes me happy. And what makes me happy is making music when I feel like it. Put it out when I feel like it. My main focus now is acting and film because it makes me happy. And and while focusing on writing scripts and acting and setting up movies and producing and all this other shit, I'm spending a cajillion more times than I ever have before, excuse me, at home with my family.

And mind you, I never had a family. I don't have a family. And now I finally do. I've had brothers in the sense of like my homies who I came up with. They were all still close and tight and we work together. But I'm talking about like a blood family. Like I never had that. And now that I have it and I've worked my whole life for this and made decisions

to be the best man that I could hope to be to be a good dad. What am I going to do? You're like, all right, I got to go hang out with P. Diddy like I'm going to be with my boy. Yeah. All right. I have two other questions. I would hang out with P. Diddy, though. Yeah, I was going to say that you both bad example. Like you're I mean, your son sleeps a lot.

I know 19 year olds. Yeah, they sleep a lot. You could go like at like seven o'clock and go hang out with P. Diddy for a few hours. OK, last question, the row back question. Use code PFT on rowback.com for 20% off your first purchase. R H O B A C K code P F T. They make the best performance polls and the only performance polls we wear.

And for our guest today, we're going to gift you a row back performance Q Zip on us. I do you still email with Neil deGrasse Tyson? Damn, you know what? I should text him. I got his number. But no, I haven't talked to him in a while. It's probably been like a year and a half. I think I just texted him and was just like, hey, man, like, hope you're well. Like, you know, but yeah, no, I haven't really talked to him in a while.

Can you text him at some point just like when you're watching the Olympics on television and the the pool is white, they paint the pool white and the water is clear, but it looks blue. We've been struggling with that for like a week and a half right now. Yeah. Mm hmm. Yeah. Mm hmm. Fucks you up. I mean, I don't know, is it something in the water?

No, the water's clear. I thought it was the bottom of the pool, but I was told I was wrong. People are saying it's the lights. I don't fucking know. I think Neil's the only person that knows. Yeah, we've got to get we've had him on the show. We've got to get him back on to ask him. That's funny, actually.

Yeah, I have no, I don't know. All right. And then my other question was, can you still do a Rubik's Cube fast? Oh, here he goes. It's so funny that I have one here. Oh, yeah, that is so funny. So random. No, I swear to God.

Right, right, right. Every interview, it's right next to your microphone for you. No, dude, I swear. Let's see here. I'm going. All right, here he goes. Oh, wow, he's stuck. He's ripping off the stickers.

That's not how you do it. Oh, hold on. We're almost there. Almost there. Not yet. Not yet. This is great podcasting. Yeah. And there it was. So that was like 30 seconds.

I don't know. That is so weird. I swear it's so really. Yeah. It is. I promise you. I haven't done a Rubik's Cube on in an interview in like four or five years. That was like my thing.

I was like, yeah, bitch, I'm a nerd. Sci-Fi raps. Check it out. Well, you're back now. That's a pretty solid Rubik's Cube, too. Just like we've had a Rubik's Cube expert on the show. And I can tell that's a fast cube. That's not like one that you just buy at a Kmart. Bro, I bought like

probably nine hundred dollars worth of Rubik's cubes and speed cubes, which is actually a lot, but you wouldn't think about it. But it's like nine hundred. It's like, bro, these things are like maybe 20 bucks, like not even for like a speed cube and like I was so into it. I was so like, that's why I'm a freak. Anything I do or get into or love or I'm passionate about, I have to like I obsess over it and I have to master it.

I used to do this Rubik's Cube for maybe eight hours a day, like I would just do it and do it. My hands would hurt and shit. I'd be feeling like an old man, like I had arthritis. It was like hard to sleep. I have a problem. Damn. Um, just my last, last question.

Have you ever, it sounds like you like to make music for yourself as much as for anybody else, like to scratch whatever creative itch is going on inside your head at that given time, you feel inspired, you want to go create something, you listen to it back, you see somebody else enjoy it and you're like, that's great. I'm glad I did that. Have you ever like come up with a really sick song and just been like, you know what, fuck it, I'm not going to let anybody else ever listen to this. This is going to be my song that only I get to listen to.

You know, like keep it for yourself. Yeah, I have thousands of those songs. That's all. So you should just start saying like actually my best stuff that I've ever done, not released, you don't get to hear. Yeah, I already say that. Yeah, yeah, man, because because over my career, it's like I've created thousands and thousands of songs and there's some really great shit.

Like even when I was like 18, like that's really good. There's also stuff at 18 that's horrible. But there's some shit that's like, yo, it's just me and this beat and these raps and this shit is tight and nobody's ever heard it. And I don't know that they ever will. So how do you decide that? If there's a song that you make that you're really proud of and you know it's a great song, how do you decide, OK, you know what?

I'm going to keep this one for myself. Well, I think today I don't it's weird. It's like I don't really hold on to stuff. So I don't I don't do that now. I think I did it back then because there was something about it that wasn't right. To put out, there was some reason that I didn't want it to be out, even though I may have loved it, it maybe it just didn't fit that project. And I'm like, oh, the next one.

And then the next one comes and I forgot about it. And then I look back five years and I'm like, well, to me, this is dated. Like I don't even want to. I don't want it now. I don't want anybody to hear it. So that's kind of how it happens. Which you could say still happens to this to this day, I guess, excuse me. But I'm not like intentionally holding stuff for myself.

Because I think if I am proud of it, I do want the world to hear it, or at least the people that I am making it for, you know, these like-minded individuals that I would hope that they would enjoy it. So maybe just Martin Screlly. Yeah, let him pay three million dollars for it. He might not know who he is. No, isn't that the the Wu Tang guy? All right. That was before you quit the internet.

Um, yeah. All right. Well, Logic, thank you so much. We appreciate it. Check out Bobby's book, This Bright Future, coming September 7th. So go check it out. Memoir going to be awesome. And we really appreciate your time, man. Thank you guys so much for having me.

This is really cool. It's so funny because like my homies like all know and I've just always been like an off the internet kind of guy. And so it's cool to to meet you guys. I've heard of you for so long and it's cool to be here. So thank you for having me. And I just appreciate you asking genuinely dope ask questions. Bean, dad, I don't know what the fuck that is.

But the guy who came out as cats. Yeah, we'll fill you. Listen, just do do us a favor. You don't have to go on the internet. Just subscribe to our YouTube and then just walk away from the computer. No, I do have YouTube. I watch YouTube because sometimes I like to watch funny videos. Like like watching people die inside.

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It is Coach Prime, Dion Sanders off of a huge, huge victory on ESPN two, seven to six, a shootout. Yeah. I, I texted you after the game. That was, I saw that when I, when I was in New Jersey was like plus eight is a disrespectful line for Coach Prime. So huge first win. You got to explain to me what that means because you know, I don't know.

I know you don't know. It means that you guys were getting eight points. So you could have lost by seven and I still would have won. You won outright. So I was happy. But I think the biggest question, though, coming off the game is what was the conversation with Gilly after he got your team a 15 yard penalty for spiking a football on a play that actually got turned, got overturned and came back anyway.

First of all, I still don't know how we got a penalty because it was after the play, right? And I don't know how we could be penalized after the play and you can't assess a person on the sideline to us. But what happened was you barely know them. That's what I told the referee. You got to understand this is true story right here. This is true.

The referee came to me and said, you kids all left the sidelines, which I'm assuming that's the penalty because the whole team ran down to the sideline. You can't do, you can't do that. That's illegal. So I'm getting on my teams, but just going off on them, just letting them have it. After the game, I get on the plane and I finally checked my phone. I'm looking at my phone and I'm saying, Gilly, spiked the ball. Are you kidding?

What, what, what did that happen? Oh my God, I didn't find out that happened until I was on the plane. I didn't know what happened. So I called Gilly the desert. Gilly, I talked to the commissioner of the SWAC. You're suspended for four games. You can't come back to a homecoming and your spike was horrible. Yeah, it was.

It was horrible. It was bad. But you, the good news is that you're, you're, you're mainstream now, you're trending. Yeah, it was so funny for people to see. So it was a scuba score that got caught. I actually agree with you that if the call gets reversed and the touchdown doesn't stand, then everything that happens after it shouldn't stand either.

Like the touchdown didn't exist. So the celebration shouldn't exist because those go hand in hand, but Gilly is sprinting down the sideline and then one of the players hands him the ball and he's literally on the field, spiking it again, a 15 yard penalty. It was very funny. It was very hilarious. It was funnier because we know Gilly. Yeah, yes.

That's what made it funnier because how did you even get in this situation? He said, Brian, he handed me the ball. What am I supposed to do? So that's a relationship that Gilly has with our team because he and Waddle spoke to the team before the game. That is hilarious. Only we can appreciate it because we know Gilly and Waddle.

Yeah, it was very funny. You could see that, like, you know, obviously your team isn't going to give a ball to somebody they don't care about. They care about Gilly because of the impact that he's had in the speeches that he's given, but Gilly was also extremely out of position to begin with on that touchdown. I saw how fast he was running. He's probably pushing like a, I don't know, a six, seven, second, forty. And I think Gilly could break five.

You think so? Five what? Minutes? No, I think he could break a five flat forty. I really it was raining. It was it was wet. It was wet. He knew the right cleats on what he kept. He kept up. He kept up.

I just couldn't believe it happened to find out on the plane. That really happened. Yes. Yeah. So what about the other big story coming out of it? Your son, we recruited him to go play for you. How great his performance. Which one? Well, I was going to say Shiloh. My question was Shiloh.

Who taught him how to hit because it wasn't you. His dad, you know, he he laid the lumber a couple of times during that game when I was like, holy shit, where did he come from? Yeah, three times. That wasn't you. You didn't teach him how to hit. I taught him everything. I also taught him how to have longevity. See, that doesn't hit like that.

It's not longevity. Right. Right. I hit like that until I got to the NFL. Yes. Yes. But no, but PFT. So your other sons playing great grade your quarterback because like that's that was a he was an impact player. He was going to come in.

You guys were going to take him by storm. OK, my OK. That's because he, you know, two farmers, he told me at the halftime. It's funny at the halftime. I'm saying you got to jump straight, you know, because you stuck it up. Right. That's the way we talk. He said, OK, I'm I realized that I'm not Lamar Jackson.

And we just bust out lab. And he said at a halftime, I realized I'm not Lamar. I said, cool. Thank you. Let's proceed. But you got to think about it. He was eighteen for twenty four. We had three drops, so he would have been twenty one for twenty four. And no, you know, no turnovers, interceptions or whatever.

But some of the reads and some of the plays that he checked us into to get us out of trouble were phenomenal. We missed a couple reads, but overall. I say B minus. OK, that's not bad for the first time that you get meaningful action in a game. Yeah. Like you said what? Like eighteen for twenty four. Yeah, three drops, three drops, not bad.

He's got a he's kind of got a cannon on his arm. Like he had a couple throws that impressed me. I was like, OK, this kid can actually sling the ball. Well, he's very accurate. That's the best thing. He's very accurate. He's a smart. He's a smart. He was smart, keeping the darn ball, trying to be Lamar Jackson yesterday. That was stupid.

Other than that, he was great. I the kids played great, not my kids. The defense was awesome. The defense was all over the place. Dennis Thurman, the whole defense of coaching staff did a phenomenal job. Offensively, we should have put up the least twenty one twenty five, twenty six points. Do you want to say for the record? Like, do you want to execute your players after this game?

You know what to think about? It's getting so bad now. We can't even say anything like we have to really censor ourselves because you can't even make a mistake. You can't even make a mistake anymore without being persecuted. Yeah, I just feel like maybe maybe don't say that you're going to kill your players, anything up to that line. You can't have you got to have the personality.

Yes, I can get in the press conferences and you know what? I wanted three students to slap my whole. Right. Yeah, yeah. I could get away with that because that's my personality. So my other question about the game was could could you see? Because those sunglasses, I don't think you could see. I don't think you were watching the game. You sure? I don't know what you want to war.

But they were clean. They were awesome. But I was like, I got a lot of lot of feedback on those glasses. And I guarantee they they probably went over twelve dollars. Oh, man, those are good. Those look good. Those look good. So you also the the Coach Prime documentary finished last week. Everyone should go watch it's on YouTube.

I love it. It was awesome. It was great beers. Yeah. Well, the whole crew put it put it. They did a great job. That's what I was going to ask because it's an awesome, awesome documentary. If you basically everything that we miss about Hard Knocks, they did well with with Coach Prime. Like, you can you get to see an embedded, you know,

camera staff with the team all year long, everything that's going on. And there's going to be another season. So it's going to keep going. So so it's worth it to get invested in it. But yeah, is there ever a time where you're like, the beers guy is is is is running this like? Yeah, you know, I was doing the editing, doing the editing. I text Sam, my guy here.

And when when he was chugging, we'll just pause in the middle and I text him and say, this is our producer. Yes, this is the guy that we're depending on right now. Are you concerned? Are you concerned about his his roller coaster ballooning? Like, wait, sometimes so show up and be like, he's a good man here. Yeah. Here in Jackson, Mississippi, he's a good man. Like, when you guys get a hold of him, you guys just tear him to shreds.

I get I start hearing from mama. I call the mama beers. His mom called and say, we got to we got to do some. We got to do somebody here. He's a whole different guy. I like that. I like that. So what else we got planned for this season? I mean, obviously you want to know what's, you know, oh, is he here right here? Hey, Danny, Danny, you look great.

Dana, credit to me. I just got finished talking about you. So he said you look great now. He just got finished talking about you. Well, no, I want to say to Dana, I'll say it to his face. Credit to me, Dana. Yeah, watch out. Your tits are popping. It's a bad angle. That's a bad angle.

Credit to me, Dana. I just asked Dion about Coach Prime and I didn't call you an alcoholic. I'm, you know what? I'm not doing it. Credit to me. I'm not doing it. Credit to me. Come back. You know what he looks like? Bring it back on camera just for one second.

Just come back on camera. He cut the mutt for us. Look, he looks like if Alexander Ovestian got stung by bees. You're going to hit with a shovel. Did someone hit you with a shovel last night? Hey, you're not bad. You're my producer. We won't be able to respect the doc. Come on, man. Good Lord.

We love Dana. I love Dana, but he's a mess. You know he's a mess. He's not a mess. He's a lovable mess. We're the good man. So, so Tennessee State next week, what are we feeling? Eddie George. Eddie George. Yes. That's right. Eddie George is another big classic.

It's going to be huge evening game. I'm excited. I'm really excited about the possibilities. I really am. I can't wait. I can't wait. We're actually going up early. We're going up Thursday evening at the practice and probably take the kids to a movie. I do some recruiting Friday and get ready to get down Saturday. All right.

There was one other part of the game I want to ask you about. Have you talked to your band after the game about like, hey, maybe let's not play music when we're inside our own 20 and we're trying to run a play. You got, I think you got two delay games because your band was playing. This is the things that that's why I'm so thankful that we got a documentary by Barstool's coach friend

because you get to hear all the realness of this, how we felt when we like, what is wrong? It's so many things that you have no idea that it's a first here. Like a lot of this stuff, talking to the band, I'm pretty sure it's going to be a first about, hey, you know, you can't play when we have the ball and we're in inside the 10 yard line. You can't go challenging the other band when we have the ball.

Secondly, another first, this is going to blow your mind. This is going to blow your mind then. This is the first time in the history of Jackson State that the kids have had the names on the back of the jerseys. Oh, no, the jerseys look clean. The helmets were awesome. Awesome. We have, we have several different helmets,

several different uniforms, but this is the first that the kids had the name on the back of the jerseys. That's cool. And there's no one else in HBC who has their names on the back of the jerseys. And I don't know why I'm like extra five dollars each man. Yeah. Before we got it up to really bless these kids.

Yeah. And I saw also Strayhan hooked everyone up with suits. You guys, I mean, it really, you see it. We're filming it right now. You look good. You feel good. Like you, you embody it because your team looks good. We're about it.

Stray did a great job with the snack entertainment and the management company Constance and the crew. They had us looking good, man. We got off that plane and Under Armour does their job. We, we, we, we've taken a stand to new heights and we're just going to keep going and going and just the exposure that you guys are giving us is phenomenal, man. I love this.

Yeah. No one, yeah. No one gets this. By the way, your, your band, so Jackson State did technically lose the battle of the bands because I don't know if you saw, well, I don't know if you saw Florida A&M. They did, they, they simulated dunking a basketball at half time. It was fucking sick.

It was awesome. Their band is legendary now. Yeah. The marching 100. It was awesome. So the Sonny Boon, we didn't lose, did we? Don't please don't tell me that. If you look up this clip, it was so cool what they did with

the basketball. It was so cool. I'm sorry. I thought I saw a 305 on the, on the. It's okay. You guys get better, you know, there's room to get better. It's good. You put it on tape.

Well, only one band forced to fall starts this weekend. That's true. That's true. They can't claim that. Yeah, that is true. The impact. You guys actually got it in the stat book. The first band to ever do that.

That, that, that is true. You know what? I'm liking, I'm going to get to it before you guys get to it. I'm really liking Green Bay. Oh, oh, to win the Super Bowl. I'm really liking Green Bay. I'm really liking Josh Allen. No.

Baker Mayfield. They're not ready. Oh, definitely not. I'm really liking Baltimore for some reason. I'm really liking Kansas city because they're upset and they're going to be a lot more focused. There's got to be something if Baker Mayfield, if the Cleveland Browns win the AFC North this year, you have to get like, I don't know, you have to actually, you know what? You'll have to dress in full pads with Baker Mayfield.

Like we'll get you a full brown. You know what? I won't do that. But I will. Baker shirt. No, you'll wear Jersey. Jersey. You'll wear Jersey with full pads and we'll tackle you.

I'm not going to wear full pads. I'm not going to wear full pads. I'm actually playing in the game and I'm getting compensated. Actually, that was my last question. Have you like, so the sideline's awesome. You have TOs out there. I saw Johnston out there. Devin Hester.

Devin Hester. I saw a yes. Yes. In the locker room. Revis was by. Henry was by. It don't stop. Have you thought of like, have any of them asked you like, hey, coach prime, can we just,

can we just put a jersey on me and like a fake name and let me, let me get out there for a minute. You mean like the high school team? Yes. Yes. Bishop, Sycamore. Yes. Kevin, even asked that.

True story. Last year when I was coaching high school, we had a game scheduled against Bishop Sycamore. Oh, wow. And they had to get out of, they couldn't make the travel plans or whatever. But we had a game scheduled against Bishop Sycamore. I'm glad we didn't make it. Yes. I'm glad everything fell through.

Yeah. Because they probably would have been playing against my dad. Yeah. Yeah. You would have smashed him. And he's not the last. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. They have the fake records. Everyone's out there. Um, I would have, if I, I have a feeling Chad Johnson has maybe said something and Tio being like, let me just get out there. Like I'll wear a different jersey. No one will know. Maybe not the ESPN two games.

Tio would do it. Yeah. Tio would do it. To Tio. I said Tio would do it. Speaking of Tio and he's not, he's, he's not one of the guys, but my phone don't stop a rough around. Yeah.

Snoop. Yeah. Snoop call. Snoop call. We, we got to take this thing to another. We got to have a rough around me because all my guys won in and Pac-Man wants to square up against Ocho Sinko now. Yeah.

He said he was glad that they didn't fight. I told him, I can't, we can't let that happen. We can't fight each other. Yeah. And credit to credit to your guy Pac-Man. I went to his hotel suite and I got my thousand dollars. Oh, Pakistan. I've got.

Yeah. I was, I was, I walked in. It was very awkward. I walked in, asked for a thousand dollars and he gave it to me and we took a picture. We took a shot. It was a great time. You mean it was awkward because you were the minority. Yeah.

Well, it was, I also, it's just weird to walk in and ask someone who just lost the fight like, Hey, can I get a thousand dollars? Hey, brother, can you give me that grand plan? Like I won. You lost. Give me that thousand. No. Yeah.

Pac is a standup guy though. I'm pretty sure he just forked it right over. Yeah. No, he's a good guy. He's a good guy. But yes, we will. We'll have you back on a bunch this year. Thank you so much.

I appreciate you guys. Everyone go check it out. Yeah. Everyone go check out Coach Prime on YouTube. Watch it. It seriously is unbelievable. I can't believe the, the, the beer's guy is behind us. The beer's guy's good.

The beer's guy's pretty good. He is very good. Keep him away from the catfish. He could not be touched when he's folk. Yeah. No, he's very good. It's just crazy that you're like, all right, this guy's, he's the beer's guy and he puts together like an incredible documentary.

But yeah, he's the beer's by night. Yeah. I call him Dana Dane by day. Like Clark Kidd, Superman. Yeah. He's actually the only person that's moved to Mississippi and gotten rid of a mullet. So you're doing some kind of magic on him. Yeah.

Yeah. That is a great statement. All right. Well, thanks so much. Okay. And I hear he's dating a sister, but that's, that's not, you didn't hear that from me. All right, Dana. There you go.

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All right. Hank. If your boss is not providing you what you need to complete your job, what is the best way to go to their boss to advise him of this? But at the same time, without your boss finding out, it was you who went above them. That's a good question. Really? That's tricky.

You can say it to me. He wasn't listening. Billy, would we all agree that Billy would definitely go above us? I think Billy would say go on your boss's boss's podcast and then talk to them about the issues and make it public. That way it's transparency. I would say, oh, this is impossible. People do anonymous letters anymore?

HR? What about just, no, HR, I don't trust HR. HR is spies. Here's what I would do. This is kind of a life lesson for anything. If you want to say something, just walk by that person and sigh really loud in their ear. Then they basically have to ask what's up.

Then you're like, well, since you asked, I hate my boss and you should fire them. That's not a bad idea or learn how to throw your voice. Be a ventriloquist. Walk by and then from across the room be like, hey, Mary really sucks ass. Who said that? I guess it's true. Mary does suck ass. Yes, I like that.

Hi, Big Cat and PFT. My condolences to Fat Larry 6. No, no. I disavow your condolences. I rescind them. Take them back. I am being considered for a promotion to a manager position and have an interview coming up soon.

I think I have a good chance to land the job, but I think my company could see me as too young. What are some tips you guys could give me to let the bosses know I'm mature enough for this position? All right, rule number one, in the interview, use my old trick, which is just say, my understanding is before you start any sentence, it automatically makes you sound 10 times smarter. Never say I think or I thought. Just say my understanding is or people will be like, damn, that person is good at business.

Or study say. Yes. Yeah. Many studies say it just came out that yes, right, right. So just breaking news. Whatever you do, don't try to use your youth as an advantage and propose it that way. Or your bosses might think that you're old shaming them. I mean the real.

We don't think it. We knew it. The real answer is you don't want to become a manager. Right. Like just everybody out there right now, just stay in the same job that you're at right now. Live life and enjoy it. Yes.

New experiences very overrated in the office. I worked at an apartment complex that knew the entire building would flood, but wanted us to lease the apartments anyways without telling anyone. I quit because I can't lie like that and didn't align with my moral compass. Good for you. Now I'm having trouble getting another job because I don't want to trash talk my old company. So it looks like I'm just a quitter.

I don't know how to explain why I quit without saying their scumbags. How would you explain quitting in that situation? Say their scumbags. It's your old, if their actual scumbags say their scumbags, then you like that's, I think you're telling the truth. Sounds like they're not a team player, big cat. If they were truly scumbags and they were like, we're going to just rent this and hope everyone gets flooded and not care.

Say that. I think you just have to rebrand yourself. You just have to say like, I was a whistleblower. If you call yourself a whistleblower, then they'll be like, wow, thank you for your service. Yeah. Just go and be like, I got blackballed straight up. You and Blake Bortles, both. I'm straight out of college and still learning the ropes every now and then.

I'm still learning the ropes and every now and then I'll accidentally make a mistake. My boss would try to give, try giving me a lesson, but tries to play it off like he doesn't care about the mistake, but I can tell he cares a lot. Definitely does. So his lessons just come off very passive aggressively. I'm a man and don't need this passive aggressive shit. How can I get my boss to realize he just either needs to yell at me like he means it or completely play it off like it's a joke.

No in between passive aggressive stuff. Okay. I like, I like where this guy's heads at because this dude obviously used to play football. Yeah. And he's like, I'm sick of somebody trying to like explain to me in a constructive manner. Just scream at me. That's how I just learned. Call me an asshole.

So I, I think what you need to do is you need to act like a football player that needs to be disciplined. So you just have to like, you almost have to like start it at your boss and just like let your boss hear you cuss. If it's like at your computer, you have to be like, God damn it. And then hope that he hears that and then hope that he kicks into football coach mode. Yeah. If you go up to him and just tell him like, Hey, I respond well to discipline and hard

coaching. Either he's going to do that or he's going to try to fuck you like there, but at least we'll get solved. All right. Last one. This is actually not really guys. I'm checked related, but it's football related. Hey, everyone.

I'm in this huge predicament. My flag football league at my college only has three people in it in the first game is next Wednesday. What? I just recently transferred here and figured they would at least have more than three people, including myself. I just want to run riots and throw some dimes competitively and I'm upset. I'm not going to be able to do it.

You guys have anything that will help me cope with this loss. Appreciate you guys. Football is officially back. It sounds like your friends are losers. He doesn't have friends. Yeah, but three people. Was it three people? Oh, yeah.

But I think the whole school, he thought he was going to sign up for intramurals and meet friends. Yeah. Oh, you, he not only doesn't have friends, but he went to a loser's school. Yeah. You need to transfer out of Williams immediately because that place is not meant for football. Toxic. Toxic.

Yeah. Growth. It's honestly like, can you imagine attending a school that only had three people that wanted to play football at it? Insane. Not for me. Not me. I would feel unsafe in that environment.

You know, that sucks. I don't really know what, I don't know what you do. I would say, you know, depending on how hard you want to try, you could be like, you know, the nasmyth of your school. True. You could start making some flyers, banging on doors and like, hey, you guys want to play it because there's got to be more people at the school who feel the same way. Yeah.

But they're just not vocalizing it. They need a leader. They need a leader. They need somebody to speak up. Right. Billy. They may have a tackle football team. Oh.

You could look at. Yeah, you could look for that. Yeah. I like that. But yeah, they do. They need a leader. Yeah. They need a leader.

That sucks. Three people for an entire intramural league. How is that even possible? Yeah, I feel like he just signed up for the wrong thing. Yeah. What are you? Is he at school with like 20 people? What's the email address?

Is it at EDU? It's a text message. I don't know. Okay. Okay. Does he go to Slippery Rock? He goes to Slippery Rock. You know, in that school, where is it?

Which one is that? Utah. What about Reed? Reed College. Reed College. Yeah. You had a drug problem? Yeah.

You did drugs. You had a drug problem? You do drugs a lot? Yeah. Sex problem. Sex problem. All right. Numbers.

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