Pardon My Take - Matt Schaub, John Kuhn And Browns Are Getting Screwed

Episode Date: January 6, 2021

The greatest college football award was decided...the 2020-21 Lowman Trophy for the Nation's greatest Fullback, also the Heisman. (2:05-7:44)The Browns are getting absolutely fucked over and we have a solution. (7:45-16:15) Hot Seat/Cool Throne including Tua coming back and Justin Fields ribs. (16:18-38:34) NFL Legend and future Hall of Famer Matt Schaub joins the show to talk about retiring (sort of), his career in the league, the pick 6 record, losing an ear in a game and tons more. (40:00-1:14:25) Former Packers fullback John Kuhn joins the show to talk about the upcoming playoffs, fullbacks, and why the Packers are the team to beat.(1:17:20-1:37:38) We finish the show with guys on chicks. (1:39:26-1:49:29)You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/PardonMyTake

Hey, pardon my take listeners, you can find every episode on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or YouTube. Prime members can listen, ad-free, on Amazon Music. On today's part of my take, we have Matt Schaub, retired but not retired Matt Schaub's 17-year NFL vet legend of the game. We have John Coon, we have the Lowman Trophy, if you missed the presentation, it was the most important trophy presentation that happened last night. We have the only one that had somebody's phone go off with a doorbell sound in the middle

of it. No, you didn't see Reese Davises? No, it was Chris Fowler. Oh yeah, it was Chris Fowler. I think he's, our noise activated by the way. Yeah, I think they don't start until we, it's like the clapper. I actually think it's just Pete, and that's where he sleeps at night, and he waits for us to get started with a show, and just annoys us.

Yeah, so that's the pipes are back, and smell him from mile away. We have HotSea Cool Throw, and we have Guys on Chicks, we have the Browns getting fucked over, and a lot more. And we're also brought to you by our friends at the Cash App, we're always brought to you by the Cash App, part of my take is sponsored by the Cash App, we're in the Cash App Studio. Right now, go download the Cash App, use code BARSTOOL for $10 for free, $10 to the ASPCA, you can download it with the App Store or Google Play Store today, and please, please support us by supporting the Cash App, it's free money, download that Cash App, Cash App,

Cash App, Cash App, it links directly to your bank account, and it is the best app in the world. Okay, let's go. Welcome to part of my take, presented by the Cash App, go download it right now, use code BARSTOOL, you get $10 for free, $10 to the ASPCA, today is Wednesday, January 6th, and Trevor Lawrence won the fan vote for the Heisman, which I'm counting as a win for my bet, but more importantly, I almost said Philip Buchanan, I almost said James Buchanan, but it's Jacobi Buchanan has won the Lowman Trophy.

That's a fact, he is the Lowman of the Year, the best fullback in college football, that's what everyone's talking about today, all the papers are saying it, and it was a big upset for the Masons, I think the Masons split each other's votes, there were three Masons that were nominated for the Lowman Trophy. The three Masons, that's a thing. The three Masons, yeah, we're saying that, did you watch the Lowman presentation? We already addressed the Freemason controversy, I said it would be like if we had a five-year-old introduce them, he would say, and hear the Freemasons, try to say three.

Hank, this is like a teachable moment here, do you know what a Mason does? Lay his bricks. They make blocks, same thing as a fullback. Mason Wake, I saw that he's using this as motivation, he said, revenge tour next year. Oh, I like it. He was a BYU, so he's going to be there until he's 35. Yep, he's going to be soaking forever. And Sean Payton's going to pay him $35 million.

I love that, I love that. All right, so the Real Heisman winner, I bet on Trevor Lawrence, so I tried as hard as I could to get the conversation going, which was futile, but the Real Heisman winner deserved it. It was Davante Smith, he was incredible. It's actually, I was thinking about it, when you look at some of his game stats, he is essentially like if you, in NCAA 14, you just created a wide receiver and made him 99 across the board.

Every state, 203 yards, four touchdowns, 144 yards, two touchdowns against Kentucky, 171 yards, two touchdowns against Auburn, 231 yards, three touchdowns against LSU, 184 yards, two touchdowns against Florida, 130 yards, three touchdowns against Notre Dame. He was insane. It's the SEC, they don't play defense, that's a big knock against the conference. That's wide receiver to win it since 1991, very, very much deserved, also just an absolute. I'm happy that Davante Smith hopefully has a long storied NFL career because he is now slim reaper, the Durantula or the servant, Kevin Durant, was given that nickname but

did not take it, what, a decade ago. He is one of the greatest nicknames ever and it's deserved for Davante Smith because his legs are so skinny and the slim reaper is such an awesome nickname. They're tiny, they're tiny little legs, like Stefan Diggs, Stefan Diggs could floss with his legs. Yes. There was one picture that ESPN's Twitter account put out where it looked like, it looked like a towel was hanging down from his pants.

But you know what, he's very fast and I assume that Nick Saban makes him work out so he's probably very strong in his lower body, just no wasted area. It's just, I'm just happy that someone is the slim reaper because it is such an exceptional nickname. So, the high's been happened. Well, pick out, you're leaving out another one of the huge, the big winner of the night besides those two that you mentioned was Kyle Trask because if the NFL doesn't work out for him, he can always be in a Mountain Dew commercial starring a boy but he looks

like if Mountain Dew sponsored a boy band mixed with Billy Football. Billy, Billy was getting some Kyle Trask love. I said it about a month ago that Kyle Trask, if you were analyzing, if you were scouting these crop of quarterbacks, Kyle Trask's facial hair is a huge negative. He is, that is not a franchise quarterback. That is a, like a sixth inning reliever, maybe a long reliever, not like, I'm not talking about like a good reliever, I'm talking about a guy who comes in when someone gets shelled and he's like, all right, I'm gonna-

I'm also talking about the year 1996 middle reliever. This is, he's got to fix that. If I were, if Indy happens and the combine happens, I don't know if it will, but if I were one of the scouts, that would be the first thing I'd ask him, be like, how open, how much are you in love with your facial hair? Because it has to go. I like though that it kind of sneaks up on you because if you watch him play football enough, he's always got the chin strap on.

And then when he takes it off, it's like, whoa, what just happened there? It's like when high school basketball players have to cover up their tattoos and then they take the sleeves off, you're like, wow, okay, that guy gets down. Yep. Caltrasque. Yeah, but you know what? He can always shave. And I think that the issue with his facial hair is, I'm still dealing with this to this

very day with my own, is sometimes you just grow facial hair in the place that you can grow it. Yeah. And in college, you're definitely in that spot where you've got some friends that have full beards, you've got some friends in mustaches and Caltrasque, I'm sure, can only grow facial hair in the area, like between his bottom lip and the top of his chin. Yeah. So he's got to fix that.

And then Mac Jones, I think finished, I think Mac Jones finished third Caltrasque for Naji Harris five. Mac Jones, by the way, Mac is a great name, his real name is Michael, but his middle name is McCorkle. Okay. That's why he's Mac Jones, McCorkle Jones, McCorkle. That's a plus. McCorkle Jones sounds like a, like a Disney character, like a wrapping mouse or, or like

a, uh, a, uh, old, like curmudgeony Irish bartender, who only will serve you one type of beer. Like, nope. That's all we have. We've got both kinds. We've got dark and light. We've got Guinness and beamish. McCorkle, McCorkle Jones.

Uh, all right. Other news. Browns are fucked. The Browns are getting fucked. So, uh, the Browns coaching staff, pretty much their whole coaching staff, Kevin Strafanski, the most important one, obviously, uh, has the cocoa. They are not going to be able to coach on Sunday night. The NFL is not giving them any like wiggle room.

Now the real issue is like, if this was an isolated case, I'd be like, okay, I guess the NFL, like there's nothing to do. They got to play the playoffs. The NFL has basically just been powering through the Browns, having a mini outbreak the last three weeks. They've had like, they've practiced squad guys last week. They've got their hands over their ears because they're saying like wide receivers the week before.

And the quote is, uh, it's not, it's not a team infection issue. It's a community issue. Every single week. One of the only businesses that's open in that entire city is the Cleveland Browns front office. So yeah, every week and they've had, they've had like six receivers get it. You know, it was the entire receiver room, then it was the entire cornerbacks room. Yeah.

Now it's the coaching staff, but it's not an outbreak. It's not, I guess it's not an outbreak. What happens if they... They should let Kevin Strafanski coach from a scissor lift on the sideline, or they should have him like put a hospital bed in one of the suites, like Hugh Fries did. Has Strafanski given the thumbs up, thumbs down, runner pass. There should be a way to get around this because they're making up all these rules as they go along anyways.

So why not? If you can figure out a way to have Kevin Strafanski there, if he's not symptomatic, if he's feeling healthy, like there should be a way for him to be in isolation. I'm sure the Browns would be able to figure out a way, like the Cleveland clinic is right there. They'd be able to figure out a way to like medically evacuate him to Pittsburgh and back. And the more I think about it, the more I think maybe the Browns are just getting all the good tests for COVID.

Maybe because they are next to the Cleveland clinic, maybe their tests are way better than everywhere else in the league. So I have two solutions. One a joke one that's very selfish and I just want to watch it and one a real one that I actually think the NFL should propose. The joke one is, I would love for the Browns. They basically are like, all right, so you have five coaches out, you can pick any of your five former head coaches and bring them back.

Hugh Jackson, you will have even the coordinators, Todd Haley, Greg Williams. Now that would be funny. The real solution, and I'm being dead serious on this. They should just be like Bill Belichick and coach the Browns on Sunday. I'm okay with Bill Belichick and Nick Saban, but seriously, wouldn't that be, it would be the greatest entertainment to be like, okay, let's see how great of a coach you are Bill Belichick. You show up five days to prep your team.

Browns fans would absolutely take it be like, okay, we get like, we don't have a coach. This will be our coach for this week. I think it would be an incredible thing to watch. I mean, the Browns are a private organization. They can hire whoever they want right now, right? I don't think the Patriots would let them know. Not Bill Belichick. I'm saying like, they could bring back Hugh Jackson and Marvin Lewis.

Yeah, that's the joke. The joke one. Okay. So yeah, how about you give the Steelers Hugh Jackson and then you just coach normal. But seriously, Hugh has to call all the plays and Tomlin can be the Browns coach. Yeah, that's fine. But yeah, they should imagine they should be able to hire whoever they want to like it.

If there's an Urban Meyer or if there's a coach that is out there right now that knows offensive football, that knows how to coach, you should be able to pick up like a guy. But just imagine Jeff Fisher, I like that. I like where your head's at. But imagine if they, if they actually were just like, you know what, Browns, we're fucking you over, you get Bill Belichick. Yeah. Well, and let's just see what happens.

And it would be the greatest like game to watch most fascinating storyline of all time. I've got a litter, little sliver of hope for Browns fans. And that's that you are a team of destiny. This is something I found out yesterday. I've been saving this big cat. Big cat. Okay, go ahead. Sell me.

Sell me this pen. It has nothing to do with this weekend. But it does have to do with the fact that the Super Bowl is being played on the one year anniversary of a very important time in the Cleveland Browns organization. Oh, is it Swagger? It's the one year anniversary of Swagger's death. Oh, wow. Their dog died a year ago on the exact date of the Super Bowl.

Okay. So, unfortunately, I like what you're trying to do for the listeners of this show that are Browns fans looking for anything, knowing the Browns history and how cursed they are. I think that just means that Swagger Jr. is going to die on the Super Bowl. Well, I don't know. I don't know because everything changed after Swagger died. You saw the tweet that reminded us of the death yesterday. I went back, I did the math and saw, well, I looked at dates and figured out that it

was on Super Bowl Thunder. Ryan Locke did it. But the funeral was well after, it was a couple of weeks after the death. It was the first and probably the last, we would hope, open casket funeral for a dog that I was aware of when Swagger 1 died. But Swagger 2 was a winner. Swagger 1 was a lot of things to a lot of people, but a winner he was not. Swagger 2 had all the best attributes of Swagger.

Swagger 1 laid the foundation for Swagger 2 to come in and turn the Browns into a winning team. But one year later, I feel like if they get, that is a Team of Destiny vibe. Yeah, except for like everything else that's happened to them. That's also kind of a Team of Destiny vibe. We'll see. We'll see. I mean, it sucks.

Jeff DeLoe, our good friend and colleague who is a Die Hard Browns fan, I told him, I was like, look, listen, dude, this sucks. As I would put the Browns probably in the category of what we said on Monday, you know, we're the non-threatening party goers in the playoffs this year. Is it the worst thing that you get a built-in excuse and be like, we could have won this game if the NFL didn't fuck us over? No, it's not bad. I kind of wouldn't hate if the Bears had to have a built-in excuse instead of just sucking.

Like, hey, you know, we got screwed. Right. The good news for Browns fans is, well, in addition to that, you're playing the Steelers and the Steelers aren't great. It's a very winnable game. Now, if someone called a disadvantage to having no head coach. This is the first time since Bill Belichick that not having a head coach is actually a disadvantage. That's what I was saying.

I was like, listen, there are years in the past where having your head coach get COVID. Like that would that would have been a plus, but it is very Browns to have it be like the one year, the one year that we couldn't have this happen. Really good. It went down. Yeah. All right. Other news. Tommy LaSorta is back out of the hospital.

Fuck yes. Let's go Tommy. Anything else? We taped the end of the show earlier. So we'll talk about the Ohio State. Stay woke. COVID. I'm keeping an update.

I'm Kim Yay. Yeah, Kim Yay. RIP, true love. I cannot believe this. I'm going to put true love on my hot seat before we do hot seat cool throne. Yeah. They broke up. Those dough-eyed little kids can work it out.

If there was any couple that I thought would would, you know, stand the test of time, it was Kim Yay. I think we can all agree, right? And then everyone's going to cry about it and be like, oh my God, how could celebrities divorce? We might get a great Kanye album coming out of this, though. That would be cool. Oh, like Taylor Swift.

No. Taylor Swift does her best work after breakups. I think we're more or less states guys to get material like Kanye might drop a heater. I think we're more going to get off the God stuff. Yeah, yeah. I think we're more likely to get like a banger keeping up with the Kardashians episode. What about Satanic Kanye? No, no, no.

We will get a banger teaser for keeping up with the Kardashians season. Yes. Yes. That won't tell us anything. Yes. Yeah. And then it'll come at the end of the episode. That would be an incredible teaser.

But the teaser will be like, holy shit. The best teaser of all time. Yes. The season's going to be amazing. Since CTA Adams' brains. I do want a Kanye album where he like totally renounces like his faith. He questions everything. He called it like I'm off that God tip.

Yes, that would be. What? Your mic's on. Speaking of the mic, Billy. Hold on your mic's on. Hold on your mic's on. Hold on your mic's on. You're good.

OK, go. It's going to feature Mario. Wait, your mic's on. No, you're good. It's good. It's going to feature Mario, Judah. OK, I understand that reference. Total, your references are so sick.

Who is that? My mic was on. It would have been better. Full-thrown Ricky Williams. Also, we knew who you were talking about. He's a rapper who like gets a little Satanic. Yeah, I know that. I know that.

It's kind of popular. Dude. I thought you were talking about the other. Mario Judah. Yeah, we were like, Mario Judah from Atlanta, Georgia, American singer, songwriter, record producer. He began producing music as a teenager. Is that who you're talking about?

Yes. You wrote some prominences on the internet meme with a single Die Very Rough. Yes. OK, yeah, we know that guy. What are you talking about? We know him. All right, let's do our hot seat cool throne.

Henry, you're on the mic. Watch a beef. That was the old Will Smith. Remember you used to answer the phone like that? You're on the mic. Watch a beef. Yeah. I'm pretty sure that was Prince.

Fresh Prince would do that. I think that was cool. That was Man Cow. Mike Man Cow? Either that or Sports Babe. Yeah, Man Cow might be running for, I think Man Cow's running for governor of Illinois. Is Man Cow.

Hey, do you remember Sports Babe? Sports Babe was the Sports Talk radio show host. But plot twist, record scratch, she's a babe. And you'd call in and the first thing she'd say, or you'd say to her would be. Yeah, oh yeah, it'd be your height and weight. And you'd go, hey babe, first time, long time, 6'2". Everybody was 6'2".

6'2", 185. And then she'd go, oh yeah. It's great, great era in Sports Talk radio. I'm sure she does. You sound so wise for your HPFT. It seems like something that wasn't around, like, you know. The Sports Babe? When you were a kid, yeah.

Maybe when Big Cat was. I know, yeah, it's true. I spent a lot of time on YouTube watching stuff that my dad looks at. My hot seat is the Texans camera crew, or one guy in particular. Uh-oh. JJ Watt and D'Shaun Watson were sharing a heartfelt moment.

JJ Watt was apologizing to D'Shaun Watson. He said, I'm sorry we wasted a season for you and a fucking camera guy caught it. Caught it? JJ? Yeah. That is the worst thing in the video. You've never got to be kidding me.

JJ keeps having this happen? I know, I can't imagine he's happy about it. That sucks. He's got to be pretty embarrassed about that, because that's something that, you know, between teammates and alphas in the NFL, yes, say that behind closed doors or else everyone's going to know what a great dude you are. So I'm conflicted on this because we've obviously

come a long way with JJ Watt from the JJ days. He's our coach. He is a nice guy, a very nice guy. I actually think that that was genuine. No, no, no, no, no, it was set up for the cameras. Like, he knew the cameras were there. But I actually think like he genuinely does feel bad that Texan's defense was that bad.

It was corny. But if he was on camera, he'd have been like our fucking coaching staff is a joke. No, it was corny, all that stuff. Well, they would have edited that out. It was exactly how he planned it to go viral, all that shit. I'm saying like as just looking at the facts of how bad the Texan's defense was, I think apology was in order

for Deshaun Watson. So I'm looking at this the same way that you could look at Britney Spears paparazzi pictures from like the early 2000s when she was really going through and being a party girl and raging. So yeah, there were times that she knew the paparazzi was going to be there and she'd step out of her limo with her nipple hanging out.

But there were also instances where just because she was partying so much, she'd, you know, swing the door open and it happened to catch an upskirt shot of her landing strip. And so that's kind of what's happening with JJ where I'm sure he has said this before, but like, it was framed too perfect. Of course it was.

It looked like a Joe Burrow video on senior night, the way they were trailing them out with the 4K lens. JJ knows, it's probably JJ's personal photographer. JJ, like if you, if you did a scouting, you know, chart of JJ Watts strengths, like, you know, unbelievable motor power, strength, all this stuff. And then also incredible 10 out of 10 and always knowing where the camera is.

And you, I think he would admit that, but there wasn't apology in order for Deshaun Watson. Oh wow, look at big cat now. No, I know. No, we must protect. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, that's not what I'm saying. That's what I heard. How did, how did you get that from, there's an apology in

order from their defense, their defense was that bad. I mean, it's tough to, it's tough to win what they went for games. It's tough to have the leading. JJ said they should have won 111. I don't know about that, but to have the leading, the quarterback who leads the league in passing and win four games, that's tough to do.

It is. That's very tough to do. Then my cool throne is Seattle. Yeah. I mean, it talks about adding two NBA expansion teams and they're heating up. It's looking like things are trending in the right direction. Not those to Seattle.

I don't, I want to Pittsburgh. I want the Sonics to very much return. Yes. I really want it for our dear friend, Spencer Haas. But I also, there's like, this is remember when the U.S. didn't make the World Cup and it was the funniest moment ever. It would be very funny if they added two teams and neither were in Seattle.

It would be in a sick, in a sick, sad way. A face value. I don't want it to happen. I'm not rooting. I'm rooting for the Sonics to come back. They should be the number one team that gets a franchise if they're adding any teams. Again, though, if they added two and they're like,

yeah, it's going to be Daytona Beach and Louisville. Okay. I was going to say Louisville and Las Vegas, but we call the Las Vegas team Super Sonics. Yeah, or they'll do, they'll be like, we know what we're going to add it to Vegas, but they're going to play three pre-season games in Seattle. They treat Seattle like the NFL used to do the America Bowl

where they go over to Japan for one game. Yeah, or like Buffalo and Toronto, remember when they did that experiment? Yeah. They're like, yeah, it's basically Seattle. I just want Seattle to have a basketball team so that they can bring back to Sean Kemp, Rain Man's shoes. Those things are the Kamikazes.

I am a little worried though for Spencer because if they do bring back the Sonics, like, does he die? Because I think that's all he, that's it. That's all he, that's the only thing. He's looking for Peloton. Peloton, Washington football and the Sonics. Okay, that it? That's my cool throne.

Okay. Thrones? Is, it's hot seat, cool throne. Hot seat, cool throne. You just did the bare minimum. That's what your minimum got. Well, yeah, you are a minimum guy. If it was hot seat, cool thrones.

Hot seats, cool thrones, I would have multiple seats. However, it's not like big smack. Hot seat, world handball. Oh. Handball is on the hot seat. Be careful. That's right, watch out. Don't let the USA get hot.

We're returning to the national, international stage on January 14th. It's the big tournament, whatever they call that. I don't know, the World Series. A bunch of countries are getting together and playing each other. I think it's just called recess. It's just a shit look.

The men's world handball championship. Yeah, physical education is what's happening. It's between block, period five and six. Hopefully we can get the presidential award this year. So I looked it up. We're in the group of death. I don't know that, but we're playing against Norway, Austria and France.

It feels like. Oh, they're really good. Are they? Yeah. So we open it up against Austria. So hot seat, Matthew Delvedova. We're coming at you, buddy. And it's going to be tough for us because.

Austria? Yeah, Austria. And we're going to be playing on the 14th. And when you look on Google at the schedule, it's got all the country's flags. And then the US just has the generic gray spot there, which is how you can tell that we're ready to go for team handball.

So yeah, we are on the group of death. I feel like my guy Ty reads on the team. We're going to we're going to win. Ty read, Ty read, Ty read them up. No, I played handball 2016 with him during quarantine on Xbox. His name is Tyler Reed. Tyler Reed.

He was a wide receiver to Alabama. Oh, turned. He did what Billy said he was going to do. Got it. So we played football turned into a. So basically everything we've said is 100% factual. Yeah, like he basically. The best one receiver at Alabama is now our star player.

The guy who is on special teams for for five years in Alabama is the best player in the world. I don't know if I don't know if he's always on the team. No, Ty read is the best. He's the best player in the world. I've got my read jersey hanging up in the closet. I love that we still like the fact that we had. I was right around this year, this time last year with with

Jay Cutler, but that we got a handball like one of the best in the world and he was a fucking accountant. That guy was cool, but he was an accountant. You know what I'll say like about this whole conversation is that like the international handball community is probably the most active online community in the in the world. So you know that they've got a lot of time on their hands to just like name search a real elite sport would not

have that amount of time. And the best part is they don't they don't even realize that like they're like, I'll back it up. Like, dude, no, thank you. No, like this is what we do now. Yeah, we really literally fighting. Jose can say go for me. I do not back and we start fights.

OK, we don't finish just talk shit. Yeah, my other hot seat is tradition. The NFL are excuse me. The NHL has spat in the face of traditions. They're renaming their divisions and they're giving them corporate slogans or corporate sponsors. No, so it's the Honda division, the Scotia division. Guess which one that is.

Wait, that's not actually real. Yeah, discover and mass mutual division with the NHL. NHL, you said the NFL, but I switched it to NHL. OK, I said an NHL, excuse me. OK, so yeah, the NBA would never do something like this. Sell out the corporations and put logos on their official uniforms, but the NHL is doing it. Bad look for the kids.

Well, they're trying to make some money up. Yeah, they're trying to make some money up. They got the logos on the helmets. Some of us care about tradition, big cat. Just get to, you know, keep the league alive. Every uniform should look like Notre Dame and Michigan from 1910. Yes. My cool throne. Oh, oh, you're too hot.

Yeah, I did double time. Not a minimum guy. Yeah, my cool throne is swag Kelly. So no offense, no disrespect to C.J. Bathard, but swag is back like a like a prodigal son returning to a party with an assault rifle. Swag Kelly has returned to the land of his birth. I actually don't know. Is he from is he from Buffalo?

I know his family is obviously so he's the nephew of Jim Kelly, but he's back in the land of ancestors. And it's classic bell check what the bills are doing because guess who swag was most recently playing for the Colts. Yeah, he's got their playbook. He does. I like to. I like to think that swag had his own. He definitely doesn't.

Well, he I my hypothesis is that they had three separate playbooks. They had the Phillip Rivers playbook. They had the the Jacobi Berset playbook, which is just sneaking the ball. And then they've got swag Kelly, which is when you need to take like an intentional safety, but make it look unintentional or have like somebody assault a referee or cameraman. I was thinking about it. I was like, wait, he doesn't he not only doesn't have a playbook physically,

but because they probably took it from him, but he also definitely hasn't retained any of the information. Well, that's what I'm saying. Like he had his one specific it's like swag. We're going to send you out there. Yeah, please get us a 15 yard misconduct penalty. Or we're going to stand for this, Billy. Maybe he's Mr. Urse's banana boat guy.

Billy, you're going to stand for this. I don't have to say anything. What you swag is silent. What what draft was it that he was the best? The best quarterback from this draft is Swag Kelly. What was like 2017 or something? You said that. I said that.

It was like that summer, I guess. No, you said most talented, most which I still agree with. You can say that. And there would be a lot of talented guys who just go off the reservation. Yeah, like me. Exactly. I could have I could have had it all could have been contender. All right. My hot seat is Alabama and Ohio State. They're playing in the National Championship on Monday,

but they aren't the national champions. So the New York Times noted football publication had an article that said the college football champion not in the title game. And this guy has deemed that the University of Connecticut because they were the first football subdivision team to squarely face the coronavirus and decide against playing a single snap during a raging pandemic should be our 20, 20, 21 national champs.

They're the real champs. How I'm actually in favor of that just to watch how badly that pisses off Randy Ensel. Holy shit. No, dude, are you kidding me? Randy Ensel definitely has a ton of clauses that get some so many bonuses for this. Really? He probably has he probably has a clause. Like if the New York Times deems us national

chair, Randy Ensel is the king of clauses. So I love this take because it reminds us that the Tennessee Titans should actually not be in the NFL playoffs because they did not take Corona seriously. I love it when sports writers just like arbitrarily. It's not. I don't know. I I unfortunately can't read the article. Because I don't have a subscription to the New York Times,

but I saw the hard it. Yeah. And someone else transcribed the paragraph. But yeah, it's I'm in favor of take. I'm in favor of awarding meritless national championships just as a ground rule. Yeah, breaking moves, breaking moves. Oh, this is my cool throne, maybe. No, it works perfectly with the hot seat.

Bretman Murphy just tweeted this 31 seconds ago because of covid issues in Ohio State, there has been discussions. Yes, I know the cost of all playoff. Stay woke. The NFL is going to postpone the Browns game to Monday, and then they're going to postpone the national championship game to the following Saturday. Shit.

No, there's no football. Yeah. You always you always get I can't look at you. Always get the NFL playoff schedule. I can't look ahead longer than one week. I'm I'm taking what is your son? I'm a football guy. Big gas six and six schedule for our entire life. Except this year is different.

The second weekend is completely the same. They've got a game on fucking Nickelodeon this weekend. That's never happened before. There's six games this week. We're in the future. Next weekend is Saturday, two games, Sunday, two games, as always. And then the championship Sunday is always two games on Sunday. OK, so then the national championship game would be delayed

until Monday, Monday, which for the record, I am absolutely in favor of that. Yeah, let's have as much football as we can for as long as live. And also stay, stay woke. They have COVID issues. Does it happen to be somewhere around Justin Fields ribs? I am the preeminent rib truth are on online. Yeah, I mean, I'm going to throw a flag right now.

I would say an extra week would help those bruised ribs. I would say in terms of a punctured lung, calling it a rib issue if the rib punctured the lung, the long. Related, but maybe he doesn't have COVID. Maybe just at a higher susceptibility to get it. Yes, because he's got like a tracheotomy tube going into his lung. That would be COVID related when I'm just saying, I feel like it would. I it's so stupid how the NCAA and like

because I don't even think the answer it's just the conferences now. Like I saw this before the College Football Semifinal the day before Clemson was done with testing. But Ohio State still had to test the morning of the game. Like it's so stupid how all of this is going. It is very weird. And you know, we talked about the Browns at the beginning of the show. It's all crazy.

Do you feel like Ohio State gets helmet stickers for every time they put on a mask and a meeting or every time they pass the test? Yes, they hand those things out like candy now. I'm just saying those ribs might be feeling a lot better a week later. Right. Mm hmm. Just just throwing it out there. That's just science. All right. My cool throne is Tua. He's been announced starter for twenty twenty one,

which I didn't know they announced starters right now. That's always a great sign when when your front office is like this guy's going to be. I don't know where I don't know who's going to be alive in two weeks. So like thinking all the way to September, there's a lot that can happen there. And well, as Booger says, we're in a microwave society. Yes. In a microwave society right now, we want everything fast. We want everything now. So good for the dolphins. Good for Tua.

Again, but it was a lot less about Tua and more about the fact they have the third pick overall. But hey, if they want to go with Tua, that's fine. But you know what? Saying that like he is right now our starter on a roster. I love that. I love because you leave yourself open to literally doing anything. Yes. In the off season.

And also just heads up as dolphins fans. So I'm wearing all dolphins gear. Shout out to guys sent me a triple XL dolphins jumpsuit. It's, you know, like, like tired, wired, tired, being haunted by two quarterbacks, wired, being haunted by like three or four. Because they're already haunted by Justin Herbert. Well, I'm haunted by Deshaun Watson and Patrick Holmes, but they're haunted by Justin Herbert. Who's to say they don't draft a quarterback this year.

And like Zach Wilson, Trey Lance, Justin Phil, all these guys turn out to be all famous. Oh my God. Then they just have like three years of Roger Goodell. What up, man? I'll tell you what, you know what they say. If you have two a quarterbacks, you don't have one. Oh, not, you know, I mean, two, two point eight balls. That's pretty good. Two point eight boops, two point eight boops.

That's I mean, two point eight boops is very good. I'm actually shocked. I haven't said that like every single week. Two point eight. Well, I think Frank, the tank has been around enough that he's probably said it. Yeah, probably. Um, all right. My other cool throne, not minimum guys, not on this side of the room.

We're not minimum guys, uh, Billy and Hank are minimum guys, uh, flight tracker, flight trackers all the way back. Love, I love it. Going to Jacksonville. I also shot con. Wow. What a what a like galaxy brain move to be like, we're trying to hire the best new head coach. But just so we're clear, I'm the one who's still in charge of the roster.

Me, shot con, super crazy rich guy who doesn't know anything about football. I'm okay with that because at least he's saying it. Every other owner will be like, no, you know, you know, I let my football guys do the football work. And I just sit here and I write the checks and watch the games. And I think probably the successful franchises out there actually have that. But those aren't the ones that are ever looking for head coaches. Right.

So now you've got a situation where every opening is going to be an owner who publicly says, I'm going to let you do your thing. Yeah. And the next thing you know, you're drafting a quarterback in the first round because he played beer pong with your son in high school. Right. And then that becomes an issue for you. Uh, the devil, you know, the devil, you know, is fine.

And also I'm glad you brought up flight tracker because big shout out to all the people on the message boards out there. Uh, Tiger droppings is huge on it. I know that, uh, Hogville has certainly made its name in terms of, uh, tracking these flights coast to coast, finding the coaches. I've got like five different flight aware guys in my DMs that always pop up this time. And I love all of you guys for doing God's work.

We love, if these guys were in charge of NORAD on September 11th, we would never have gone through anything bad. Yep. So, uh, great job. Keep doing what you're doing. You're real American heroes and patriots. All right, uh, minimum guy. I don't know what that means.

What is it? You're going to do your one hot seat and one cool throne. I have like five. Oh, here we go. Hot seat pirate streamers. Dana White says he has a special surprise for anyone who pirates as UFC. Fuck yes. Yeah.

So sweet graphic t-shirts. I like, like he's like threatening pop. Yeah. Stream. So that's cool. Uh, my other hot seat is Doug Peterson. Joe, Gregor's fighting soon, by the way. Yeah.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's going to be awesome. Robby Fox is going. Wait, what do you think? What do you think Dana White's going to do? What's the special? He's probably going to show up. He's going to, like, if you are sitting there pirating, all of a sudden your

doorbell rings and you just get punched in the face. I think Robby Fox is like going on the US, the, uh, UFC charter with Dana to fight Island. I was, I was thinking about what you could do to combat pirating. I bet he's going to like send out a bunch of troll links. Hire Tom Hanks on like Reddit. Oh, so here's what he might do. Yeah.

He might send out troll links that are all infected with viruses. So he makes people scared. It's like a landmine when you're trying to click on a periscope, which he doesn't realize that already exists. Every time you click on one of these links, it's always there's a 50 50 chance. You get your computer fucked. But this time at like a hundred percent chance, maybe Rick rolls you. Oh, I think that's what I'm thinking.

Meatspin. That'd be a good idea. Or it just goes to a live stream of Dana White. That's a joke that only us, well, PFC is 27, but us over 30 get. What's Meatspin? Send it to me, big cat. Hey, big cat. Hey, shit.

Have you got a big guy? Have you looked up Bofa? Oh, man. Oh, dude, don't get me. I got that. Someone got me last night. They got you pretty good. My other hot seat is Jeb Bush's tiny arms.

He was getting the vaccine. His arms are frail as fuck. Oh, OK. I'm getting into my backups. Yep. Because keep going, keep going, keep going. My other hot seat was the system. Jose Canseco.

I'm going to beat his ass. Jeb Bush follows me on Twitter. My other hot seat. Those are all my hot seats. OK. That is a very small arm on Jeb Bush. Cool throne. I got to say, he has a super big right arm.

Yeah, well, he's a right winger. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Damn, Billy, you almost had that. He's actually not even that big of a right winger anymore. Was that Photoshopped? It looks Photoshopped. It does.

I'm going to DM Jeb Bush real quick and ask him if that was Photoshopped. All right, Billy, what do you got, Cool Throne? And my last Cool Throne. Oh, another hot seat is the weekend because he got really weird plastic surgery. That it may be fake, though. It's kind of creepy.

Anyway. All right. Let's get to our interviews. I forgot about this, but I've got. You tried to get him on the show. No, but I never DM'd him. Oh. It looks like I've DM'd him several times in the past,

just trying to get him to join my fancy football league. Oh, that was right. Yeah. Yeah. What do you say? We're going to say, Hank, you're not serious about the weekend, right? Did you see it's a music video?

Well, he got the bandages on for the mute. That's the that is the music. But remember, he went to the bank. He got he went to the bad news. Michael Jackson is actually a zombie. Oh, God, Billy. This is bad, Billy. No, I. Oh, my God.

No, but he was wearing the bandages before. Billy. Did I get tricked by Hollywood? Oh, you got you got tricked by a costume. Billy. Oh, I didn't get tricked by cost. Fun fact about. Yeah, it was a trick.

That's the lowest form of trick. If you leave a weekend, play a plastic surgery disaster in his bizarre savior tears. Well, I just saw it. The weekend got terrible plastic surgery. Do you hear the guy from Jamiroquai invented a way to defy gravity? Was it was the OK go?

Was that the name? Yeah, they're the ones that do all the like the Rube Goldberg machines. And they also, yeah, they get on the treadmill. Yeah. Yeah. Treadmill accident. If you leave a cucumber on the ground next to Billy football,

he'll panic and flip out about it. Cool turn on Chad Kelly. OK, all right, let's get to our interviews. We have first up, no longer retired. And you'll find out why. Matt Schaub, legend of the game, 17 year NFL career. We talk about everything with him. And we're brought to you by our friends at me on these.

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Recently retired, a fantastic 17 year career in the NFL is Matt Shob. Matt, thank you for joining us. Can we first start with, are you actually retired? Because I read a tweet yesterday that said, after our show today, Matt Shob found out he is retiring from the Falcons. You found out you were retiring or you retired?

Well, no, it was something that I knew was gonna happen. You know, my contract's up. So, you know, if this is it for me, unless a super enticing offer, come on down the pipe and you know, whatever. You never want to say never, but as far as me and my career and where my family's at, man, I couldn't be more happy and content and satisfied

with my journey in the NFL playing quarterback. And this is the end of the road. You know, I wanted to just let it be known that I'm gonna go out on my terms and call it a career. You're not retired. Breaking news, Matt Shob is not retired. I love that we had you on. We got that figured out.

Actually, you know what? That's the interview. We'll talk to you when you retire, dude. Well, the paperwork hasn't been filed or filed yet. So, until that happens, you know, you're not done. Okay. So, yeah, the phone is gonna ring for you. Like, there's gonna be room in the NFL for Matt Shob

for the next 20 years. I'm convinced of it. And it's funny because you were that same draft class as Ben Rothlisberger and Eli Manning and Phillip Rivers. I feel like we need to talk about Matt Shob as being part of that elite draft class because, yeah, I mean, those guys have, you know, they've started for the same team for, you know,

upwards of 16 years, but like having this long of a career in the NFL as a quarterback is extremely tough to do. And we talk about it a lot on the show, how there's like, there are guys who can become backups who are still sometimes, you know, one of the top 30, top 40 quarterbacks in the entire world that can turn that into like a long career.

And I'm always curious to know, like, you played both sides of it. You were a great starter for a long time. And then you were a great backup quarterback. Did you have to like change anything about the way you prepared? Like, did you have to start driving a less swaggy car so you wouldn't be able to like upstage this starting guy?

Like, what's the difference in skill set there? Well, I think the one thing that you have to adjust is when you're the starter, you're getting all the reps. You're out of practice, you're the guy, you're in the huddle, you're getting all the physical reps to get ready to play. But when you're the backup, you know, and I started my career out here in Atlanta as the backup to Michael Vick.

So that's how I developed in this league. And then I got my opportunity in Houston to be the starter. But then going back to the backup role, you just have to do everything mentally. You have to envision everything. And then when you're doing the scout offense and given the defense the looks for Sunday, you have to put yourself in the game.

So it's just a little bit different mindset, but you try to prepare mentally much the same as if you're the starter, but you're just not getting the physical reps. And that's the big thing. But as far as driving a less swaggy car, I mean, Matt Ryan's the quarterback and he's been here. He's got the coolest Mercedes out there.

So there was no endangerment of me like driving a nicer car than him. So that was off the table. So, but in terms of like personality, because I would assume when you do become the backup, there is a little bit more of like you're a team player, you know, like you said, the reps, you don't get all the reps,

you're probably having to do some scout work for the quarterback's room, for the offensive coordinator. Is there something that, you know, that you knew about your personality? Like, hey, I can last here because I'm a team guy and I enjoy just being around everyone, whether I'm playing or not. You know, one thing that, you know,

I embrace coming here because I had a prior relationship with new Matt Ryan for a lot of years and he's an established veteran, league quarterback in this league. For me, it was to be an extra set of eyes to, you know, validate some of the things we're doing game planning wise with our reads, with some of our hots, or, you know, what we're going to do

versus zero pressure versus a certain defense or look and just be a sounding board. Cause I've been in his shoes, you know, a lot of guys as a backup haven't been in a starting role. So it's hard for the starter to trust what they're trying to tell him. And so to have that rapport and that respect between us was paramount and was great for the last five years.

And, you know, one of the roles that I took on was in a mentorship role for a lot of young guys. You know, the starter has to get himself in the guys in his hut already. Well, I deal a lot with the young players, young offensive linemen, young receivers, young running backs and be a mentor to them to help them develop into professionals

and how they need to handle themselves a week and we got on the practice field, how they can develop into better players. You know, I took a lot of that on us on myself as a guy who's been around long enough to know and seeing how it can be done well and how it can be done wrong sometimes. And just give those guys some advice.

I like that answer because I think we obviously have fun at, you know, the expense of some backup quarterbacks, but I do think people don't realize what it takes to be a backup quarterback. And you can't just say, oh, this guy was a starter for, you know, 10 years, he's going to be a great backup. Like there's a certain personality trait, being a good teammate that not everyone is built

for being a good backup and good backups matter. They really do. They do. I mean, first and foremost, your job is to be ready to go in and play and be able to execute the offense. And if something happens to the starter, you have to be able to go in there and be trusted to win games.

And if you can do that, that's paramount first and foremost. And then from there, everything else is icing on the cake, but you have to be able to take on a certain role. And some guys aren't made for it and some guys that were a starter and don't want to go back to being a backup or go to being a backup because, you know, they've only known one thing

and they're not built to do that. And so that can be tough. But if you have the right mindset and you put, you know, yourself in the backseat and, you know, realize there's other things that you can bring to the table for the football team, you can last a long time. Yeah, you can make a lot of money too, if you do it.

There should be, you know what we should do. Here's an idea, if you, for when the day comes, when you do decide to hang the cleats up, Matt, you should start an elite 11 quarterback camp, but for backups, for future backups. So like just train them in all those skill sets that Trent Dillfors out here, flying kids out on his private jet, teaching them how to work out

and do all these, you know, all these elite 11 drills. Have you do like a tandem camp where you kind of prepare them for the back of the office type stuff? Well, if that's the case, then my group of quarterbacks would unseat the guys in the private planes. Mine that are riding the bus or the, you know, the sprinter vans to go to camp, you know, we'll unseat those guys on the private jet at his camp.

That's right, then you become the elite 11 guy. Yeah, yeah, this is all like a long, it's a project for you, but one thing that you said kind of struck me about how you would prepare as, you know, you'd give the defensive look as a scout team quarterback for whoever they're going to play against. Being on the Falcons, what was it like when they were like, hey, Matt, can you emulate

Cam Newton for the next week? Yeah, sometimes that can get a little tricky when you have a guy like that. You know, you try to, first for the defensive line, they like the cadence, the sound the same as the other quarterbacks and how they say it so they can time up some of the things they're going to hear or what's going to be said at the line of scrimmage show.

Cam has a unique cadence if you've ever heard it on TV or through the TV copies. And so trying to emulate that was one thing, but then just running around and all that, you do the best you can, but obviously my fleet of foot is not the same as his or when we would play Russell Wilson and Seattle, you know, it was a little bit different.

So, but you do the best you can. You just give the guys looks on escaping out of the pocket and them having to work on their scramble rules and things like that. And the defensive line is great because they can't touch us anyway. So something's not there. I just, when you just find an alley and you get out of there

but obviously the quicks and the agility isn't quite the same, but that's how each of us are built differently. Can you give us a sample of Cam Newton? Oh man, you know what? It didn't even see how most of them are color number, color number, red 80, red 80, is that hot? Yeah.

I mean, it was, it sounded like, this is what we used to say in our room. And Cam, if you're listening, I would probably laugh at this, but man, it was like he was ordering sushi. It was like, it was crazy. It was like, jimmy, jimmy, it was wild. And so it's just, just say something

that makes no sense really long. And it's like, but it all sounds like one jumble without mess. Yeah. We, all right. So we, we talk about you being a backup, but you were also a really good starter and we have to give you credit for that.

You played in the playoffs in that 2012 season for the Texans. Did you know right away when you got in the playoffs that you were going to be playing at that four o'clock ESPN game against the Bengals? Like that's when you think about that early Saturday game wildcard weekend, it's the Texans and the Bengals. Yeah.

And you know, we had to have that same situation the year before we had to play them. So we were, we were familiar with it. And when we, when you find out you're that first game, man, that, because it turns around pretty quick from your week 17 game to that Saturday afternoon. So it's great. You can just get ready and you can go play.

And then when you win it, man, it's great. You can sit back for the next day and a half and just watch the other teams battle that out. And it gives you an extra day rest usually for the next week, the divisional round game. So when we found out that we were playing them, we had played them a few times the past, the key couple of years leading up to that.

And to have it at home was great. And for me, I missed the playoffs the year before when I hurt my foot and in 2011. So to be back out there with my team and get a chance in the playoffs, man, it was such a, such a cool, cool deal and a cool time. Who ranked these guys? Case Keenum, TJ Yeats of Hell.

And then did you play with Tom Savage? Was he in that room too? No, Tom, Tom came the year after I left in 2014. All right. Then throwing Matt Liner because I think he was on that team too for a little stretch with you. Yeah. So well, not 2012, but in 2011, it was all four of us.

It was me and Matt Liner and TJ and Case. And when I got hurt, then Matt Liner played against Jacksonville next week, but he got hurt in the first half. So both of us got hurt with back-to-back weeks. And then TJ was a rookie out of North Carolina and he went in and played, you know, the rest of the season, the last four or five games

and then in the playoffs. And he learned a ton, you know, he was, he really listened. And we had between Gary Kubiak, Greg Knapper, quarterback coach, and me and Matt still being in the room. We tried to just be as much a sounding board and giving him advice and, you know, mentoring him as we could. But, you know, Matt was great.

And TJ, as a young player, really did a lot for us and managed the football team. And then when Case came in, obviously what he did at Houston and in college, you know, speaks for itself with how we threw the football. So he was great to have in the room as well. Yeah. Rank all the mats that you've played with

at the quarterback position. Because you are, I feel like we're losing, we're losing out on the era of the Matt quarterback. And they're kind of transitioning into being head coaches now. Well, look at this. Like when I got to, back here to Atlanta in 2016, our quarterback room was Matt Ryan, myself.

Matt Sims was our third quarterback. And our quarterback coach was Matt LaFleur. And we also had on our, we also had on our roster, Matt Bosher is our punter, Matt Bryant as our kicker. I mean, every single digit player on our roster was Matt. And then our quarterback coach Matt LaFleur, it was, it was like everyone had to have a nickname and have their own thing.

And you need, but you always knew if someone said Matt, don't look, cause they're talking to Matt Ryan. So, you know, you knew not to listen to that. But between all those guys in that, you know, disaster of mats that we had on our roster in 16, I also had Matt Liner. And I think that might be it. Like as far as the ones I play with,

unless you guys did your homework and know somebody, it's been such a long career that I don't, I can't remember any other mats. Yeah. I mean, it is crazy. 17 years is like, I know we said it at the top, but it's, that's an insane career. And you're not even done. You still have a few years left, as we said.

He was retired yesterday. That's the shortest retirement, I think, in the history of the NFL. Maybe Brett Farve has, has he beat on one of those, but that's pretty good. Well, the crazy thing about it is going back to 2004, how much the game has changed and really the world, social media, like just how everything society has changed

in the last 17 years, not to mention just on the football field between the white lines, it's just, it's bizarre to think how far things have come and where the game's gone to. It's true, the offense, like you basically watched the evolution of the modern game, like completely changed in these last 17 years.

Absolutely. I mean, the evolution of, you know, the RPO system that colleges are now in, you know, bringing and NFL teams are bringing to the field in the NFL game. You know, it's a whole different ball game. And it allows a lot of young players to play and have a lot of success early in their careers because they just have to read one guy and they either hand it off or you just throw a little slant

or something behind it. So, you know, the game has just changed so much and then just no huddles and defenses, the evolution of some of the zone pressures you see. I mean, it's, it's bizarre how it's changed and how much more complex it's got. I think one thing I at least had forgotten about your career is that you were named the Pro Bowl MVP at one point.

So that was, that was the year when people were like, why is Matt Shob going to the pro? It wasn't your best year. But I guess a couple of guys had dropped out and you're gone. Did you participate in that skills challenge that they had? So when I was gone, they didn't have that. They had done away with it for a number of years and then they brought it back here in the last,

I don't know, four or five years, I guess, you know, for TV and to generate a little bit more excitement because you know how the game has gone on. Sometimes it's, it's kind of like watching practice or two hand touch for like three quarters until you get to the fourth quarter and then guys realize, okay, I'm trying to play for that money.

And you know, you get a big bonus if you win the game versus you lose the game. So they, I guess just trying to develop some of that excitement. So they didn't have it when I was going to the Pro Bowl. In fact, the first one I went to was down in South Florida. It was the first year that they didn't go to Hawaii back in right before the lockout happened in 2010.

So it was the 2009 season, which was my best year and you know, got voted in. And then yeah, like you said that the second time I went, we did get in because of someone dropped out, but we had a really good run game that year. So we didn't have to pass the ball as much. Aaron Foster was rolling. And so we had a very balanced attack in Houston that year.

Yeah, I mean you, in 2000, so we need to do this. We'll do some like matchup PR releases for you. But from 2005 to 2018, the only guy not named Drew Brees, Phil Rivers, Ben Rothesberger, Peyton Manning or Tom Brady did win the passing title was matchup. I mean, that's, you might be a Hall of Famer. Now that I just put that out there, right?

Well, I mean, if you look at the fact that he threw for 527 yards in one game, which is the second most all time, that still boggles my mind by the way, that the record is, I think it's 554, but it was in 1951. Like no one's broken that's, you talk about the game changing like, was there?

Yeah, that's bullshit. Was the 1951 record? They didn't have a clock. I don't think, I don't feel like yards were the same distance back then. It was just like some guy with a peg leg. That's bullshit. Stepping off feet as best as he could.

Wait, but I'm looking at this, Matt. Like, would you say Drew Brees is a Hall of Famer, Matt? 100%. Okay, what about Phil Rivers? Yeah, I think he's got a chance. Yeah, especially what he might do this year in the playoffs, we'll see. Okay, what about Ben Rothesberger?

Yes. Okay, what about Peyton Manning? Yeah, yeah, definitely. Okay, what about Tom Brady? You know it. Okay, what about the other guy who led the league in passing from 2005 to 2018? Matt Shaw.

See, we just did that for you. Well, you know, just the fact that I'm on here with you guys and you're saying this, man, you're really, my ego, I might just go out and play for 10 more years. I don't know. You guys are really doing me some good right now, but no, I don't think so. I mean, I didn't start long enough.

I didn't have enough of that success like those other guys, but that's how it happens sometimes. Yeah, let us, now we've built you up. Let us tear you down. Let's talk about the pick six record. Let's talk about the pick six record. That's also Hall of Fame worthy on its own right. When you got to, what was it?

How many games in a row? Four. When you got to the fourth, well, you're like, fuck, I don't want to play anymore. When I look back at that year in 2013, I go through each one of those throws as they happened,

because there were a lot of good throws around those four mistakes, you know, but obviously those were enhanced and those were, you know, scrutinized and they were big plays. And, you know, I put my team in a very bad position, but yeah, I mean, there were moments like, man, I'm done.

Like this is terrible, but at the same time, you know, you had to reflect on some of the good with those bad plays and there were a lot of good. And, you know, obviously the team decided to move on after that year without me. And so I had to, you know, refocus my career and what I wanted to do.

But man, those were some tough times, but hey, even negative records, have some positive twist to them. You're known for something. You had something happen to you. This is like negative publicity is good publicity because people are talking about you. Yeah, they say you learn more from your mistakes

than you do from your successes. So at the end of that season, you were a genius. That's one way to look at it for sure. No, it was interesting because when it was happening, my, when I was watching my mindset is if I were him, I would probably fake an injury, but that's because I'm a loser and I'll never be able to be an NFL quarterback.

That's the mindset of an idiot like me. With you, were you like using as motivation? Were you like ever down to a dark place where you were considering like, maybe I shouldn't be a starting quarterback ever again? No, you know, when I was going through it, I never thought about that because I knew I could still play

and I knew I could still be a starter. It's about an opportunity, you know? And I left one opportunity slip there in Houston after seven years, but just to be able to get another one, that's what I was redirecting my mindset, my focus to, because I knew what I could bring to a team and what I could do on the football field.

But that was a tough time. But when I look at it, the first one, when it happened, we won the game still. We came back and beat Tennessee at home in week two. Then we had Seattle on week three. We had them on the ropes. You know, we had the ball with the lead when that one happened,

when Richard Sherman, you know, intercepted it, which, you know, was a big mistake on their downshifts, throwing it away. But then the other two, you know, they happened and lost his at Baltimore and then at San Francisco. But when you have one and you win, sometimes it can kind of get masked over.

You know, you hide some of your mistakes when you win. So, but when they happen and you lose, or you lose by a score or something, you know, like that, that's a crucial play in the game, especially late in the football game. I mean, obviously it gets magnified even more. All right, so let me spin it back to a positive. I got two for you.

One is, I think the way our brains work, every like five years, I just added an extra one. So if you had asked me what Matt Shob's pick six record was, I would have said six games. So we've reset it to four. I know, I'm sorry. That's just by like 20, 40, I would have been like, yeah, Matt Shob once threw a pick six

in 16 straight games. It was crazy. In fact, I actually think- It would be a record forever. Yeah. I actually think I did say last night we were taping another show. I think I did say that it was six games for you.

Yeah, so we reset. Your name came up in a trivia question. We've reset, so it's four. We've reset, but, and then here's the other spin zone, who we're a fan of this guy as well, but you got a promising young quarterback in James Winston, who if he gets another shot, we could erase that record of four.

We could, and let me just tell you this, early in this season, let's go back a little bit. Tom Brady, I have to see he's going to Tampa Bay. He had a couple rough weeks to start the season. Yep. Do you know what, because last year, his last throw into England against Tennessee was a pick six, the Logan Ryan, correct?

Yeah, that's what I remember. And then he started this year. He started this year with a pick six in week one and week two. So if you look at the records, yes, I had four straight games. We got to week two. Tom Brady had, was three straight games with a pick six. So I was sitting there a week three, I was like, Tom, please throw me in so you can hide with me.

I don't know, it would have been great to just be right there with Tom with that record. You would have been a hall of famer. Yeah, because it would have been a conversation with Tom Brady. It would have been a great, great to be right there. Have those names back and back. But unfortunately, he didn't have one a week three.

So he was stuck at three games in a row, but it was almost there tied with him with that one. Yeah. One other really memorable time from your stint in Houston was the Andre Johnson fight when he just beat the hell out of Cortland Finnegan. Yes. How many times did you guys watch that in the film room

afterwards? I think that's all we watched. We didn't even watch the game film after that game because we won like 20 to nothing. We handled them pretty good. And we just watched that on loop for like an hour. And I think we spliced there because that was a long time coming.

That was probably two or three years, you know, boiling. And it came to a head that game. And they were playing like their third string quarterback. We handled them defensively. We ran the football. We did whatever we want offensively. And it just got to that point where Cortland was talking to our sideline.

And then Andre had just had enough. And it takes a lot to rattle Andre Johnson. But you could tell in the huddle like he was telling the official when we were getting in the huddle before that play because it had been going a couple plays before that. And he looked down and he goes, something's about to happen. And I remember we ran a run play away from it.

And so I handed off and I'm carrying out my keep fake, my boot fake away from it. And I just turned and I see Dre. I just has him locked up, rips his helmet off, and just gives him a call. I was standing there just going like this, giving him an ovation. Yes, yes.

And I really loved it. But it had been years and amazing text from all different guys across the league that we knew and just being like, thank you, finally. You know, got a little fine. But I think that got taken care of by like guys all over the league. That's amazing.

Receivers all over the league. That's amazing. What about, I mean, we have to bring up, you lost a piece of your ear. You lost a piece of your ear in a football game. Has it grown back? Well, how does that work? Yeah, so I saw last night on Twitter,

you put the picture of me at the podium against Denver, you know, after that game when my ear got mangled and you can see it was just, it was disgusting and like it was bad. But what happened was when I didn't lose part of my ear, when I got hit by Joe Mays in that game and my helmet went flying, the little speaker for the Coastal Quarterback Communication System

sits right behind your ear. And when my helmet flew off the plastic edge of it, just sliced my ear and, you know, it was bleeding pretty good. And they just put like whatever clotting agent or that stuff to stop the bleeding all over it. And so it like adheres and sticks and doesn't wash off or nothing.

So that's why it looks so bad when I got done the press conference and got out of the game. But I didn't lose a pizza wedge of a little triangle of my ear. It just sliced pretty good. And I think it was made more of a big deal than it really was.

I'm hoping that it will be extra for you, Matt. Matt, no, we're gonna help you here, dude. Cause you're now, if you are actually retired and you're in the media world and you're, you know, the legend of Matt Schaub has to grow. You lost your entire ear. Let's see your ear right now. Let's see that left ear.

It's an artificial ear. You're right. It is, it's fake. It's not mine. They brought, they hit, that's all it is. Yeah, you're right. Maybe you lost part of your inner grew back really fast. Yeah.

You gotta let that, like my tweet, like it does look when I say, oh yeah, and Matt Schaub's the toughest guy ever cause he lost part of his ear. You just gotta let that just go. What you should have tied to it is the play. Cause it looks really bad when the helmet goes flying and everything like that.

I mean, it, it looked really bad. And the funny thing about it is Joe Mays, the linebacker for Denver, they hit me. He was on our team in Houston the next year. And he was like, he was my teammate the following year. He's like, sorry about the ear. He's like, your technology is incredible.

You have a full ear again. He's like, finally I can sleep. I've been thinking this whole year that you were never gonna hear it again. And he, and he's the nicest guy. So the day he signs, I'm in eating lunch with Dwayne Brown, who was our left tackle at the time. Big dude, awesome guy.

And our player development guy comes up and goes, hey, we signed a player. Can you guys come over and meet him? And as soon as I walk over the table and I see Joe there, Joe just puts his head down and just like, man, are you all right? And I was like, yeah, I brought Dwayne over here cause we got something we got to talk about.

I mean, it was water on the bridge at that point, but man, it was funny to have him be on the team after what happened the year before. All right, put that on the PR list, matchup for Hall of Fame, the greatest one ear quarterback of all time. That's also a thing. I'm looking at the YouTube comments actually underneath the video of you getting your ear taken off by Joe Mays.

One guy says, this is FGC foobles. He says, I looked up this hit when I saw Joe Mays was on the Texans. Mays owes Shab a steak dinner for this hit. Did he ever buy you a steak dinner? I never got the steak dinner. No, I never got a meal from Joe on that one, but that's okay.

Didn't eat it. Okay, W.W.K. Frosty said, yeah, I lost a piece of my ear too, but I was fine in all caps. So he's tougher than you. And then, Okay. Then Silly Goose says,

I was shocked when I looked this up in December of 2020 that Shab is still in the NFL. So just making news all over the place to the YouTube commenters. That's fine. Yeah. All right, so I want to bring up one more thing. Now, for people who are listening,

they're going to be like, hey, why didn't you bring up Dan Quinn kicking a field goal in San Francisco in 2015? You weren't on the Falcons yet in that year, but you were on the year the next year, going to the Super Bowl. What, after the Super Bowl, we've had Matt Ryan on the show, great interview, great guy.

I would have met like, obviously for him, it's devastating. For you, it's devastating, but it's probably a little less devastating. Do you just like mimic his emotions and like, you know, like, man, that really sucked. Like, what's the first thing you say to Matt Ryan after that game?

There's not, at the time, there's nothing you can say. There's nothing that makes it go away or makes it any better in the moment. I think you wait a few days, maybe a week, and you get together, play golf or whatever, and you kind of rehash things. But at the time, you know, yeah, I mean, it was just devastating for me, I think,

as anybody else, because you put in so much and you put in so much work to get to that point. Albeit I'm not on the field performing. I'm still ready to do so or helping the team in whatever capacity I could. And at that point, you know, I had had a long career and that was my opportunity to be a part of a championship football team

after a lot of hard work and time put in. And who knows, you never know when you're gonna get another opportunity. You don't know, that could be it. You know, it's, it could be one and never again. And when you miss out on that opportunity to get that ring, when you had things firmly in control through three quarters, you know, man, that's tough.

And there was nothing I could say to Matt to make it better or, you know, change what had happened. It was just shocking. Yeah, on the sidelines during that game, during the second half, could you sense that there was, like, I don't know if there's a sense of panic or a sense of, oh my God, is this gonna happen or was it still optimistic going into, you know,

the fourth quarter? Like, we can still do this. We can still pull this out. Heck yeah, I mean, there was still optimism. I mean, we had been rolling all through December, all through January as a football team. And, you know, there wasn't any moments where we had big leads and we had lost them or whatever.

We were handling people pretty good. So, I mean, it was just a matter of, let's go down and get one more score offensively and one of those drives or like, let's just get one stop defensively. And obviously their offense had been rolling and they went up and down the field a couple of times on us defensively and scored.

And we just couldn't get anything going offensively. And we had one play, the one where Matt Fumble, Dante Tower came in unblocked and got the sack fumble and put them in good field position. We had a guy open down the field and we just had an error in protection up front. And, you know, if Matt could have got that ball off, we would have had a touchdown easily

and put that game out of reach to where they didn't have enough possessions left. But then we still had the opportunity when we got down there late in the game, when we were still up, I believe eight. And, you know, we had the sack, the holding and missed an opportunity to just put some more points on the board and put it out of reach.

Chris Long, your fellow Cavalier, really stuck it to you in that game. What was he like? Yeah, Craig. I have to assume that you probably knew of Chris Long when you were at UVA because of the pedigree. He may have come on a recruiting visit. Was he more of a Scarface poster guy

or a Pink Floyd poster guy, if you know what I'm saying? Oh, I think Chris at that time, I think he was more of a Pink Floyd type of poster guy. But, you know, Chris lived in the area and, you know, his family, they had a place outside of Charleston. So he was around a lot, came on a recruiting visit, so everyone knew him. And I mean, man, when he was coming out of high school,

he looked like he could go right into the NFL and play defensive line. And he was built and put together. You could tell he had been working out with his dad and his brother since like the age of two, doing pushups and squats and leg presses and all that. But what a great dude and a great guy. And, you know, man, when I was leaving Virginia

and he was coming in, you knew the program and everything like that was in really good hands with a guy like that with his pedigree and where he had come from. So, yeah, we did overlap just a little bit there on weekends and recruiting visits. Yeah, he is a great dude. He's a good friend of ours.

All right, so I had one last question or kind of statement. So you have a podcast that you're gonna maybe pick back up called The Quarterback Corner with Doug Flutey. Now, so podcasting, I would assume some golf. And are you gonna do the retired quarterback thing where it's like, it's time for me to be a dad? Well, first and foremost, yes, I'm gonna be a dad with my five kids, my wife has done so much

to let me go out and play football and play a game. So I'm gonna be in car line, picking up kids, dropping off kids here for a little while and evaluate options, what might be next. But I'm gonna do that. I'm gonna play a little golf, you know, spend some time just to decompress after a long career. But we'll see what's next.

I mean, I'll see what Doug Flutey and Maggie Hetzel want to do, wants to do. We did all through, I guess, late spring and summer and early in the season did a podcast, The Quarterback Corner. It was great to talk sports, talk football, you know, while everything was kind of shut down and no one really knew what was gonna happen. And it gave us an opportunity to just talk shop

and talk X's nose and do things like that. So we'll see if that comes back in the fold. And after that, who knows, you know, might play again. Who knows? Yeah, no, you're not retired. You're gonna get you back. Who knows? Yeah, you're not.

Paper, I have not seen any retirement paperwork, so we'll see. We'll see what happens. I actually now, in talking to you and thinking about this, I think you have the greatest life ever. Because you now have, I mean, this isn't breaking news. People can, contracts in the NFL are public. You are wealthy.

You had a 17 year career and you're in that perfect spot where people probably don't hassle you when you're like shopping at the grocery store or in the car line. But when like every now and then, someone be like, hey, what'd you do? And you're like, I played a little football. Like, oh, really?

Like college, high school? Like no, 17 years in the NFL. That's like the greatest mic drop that you can throw out there in like small talk conversation. Well, I appreciate that. And then you get follow up with, what do you do? You know? And then, you know, it's funny to see people's reaction

when you say that, like when you respond to play footballs, whatever. And then what do you do? You know, because then when you show interest, and then there's like, well, it's not, but it's still interesting. But to most people, it's not as interesting as playing football.

So, I mean, definitely blessed and fortunate to have done this. Yeah, you should. I mean, just a pro tip, if you do pick up the podcast again, keep saying, oh, I played football in the NFL. Don't say podcast. Cause when people ask us what we do and we say podcast, they immediately are like, so you're like a burned out loser.

Well, I think my response is just gonna be, I went on pardon my take once for 30 minutes, got roasted by these guys. They tried to build me up. They knocked me down, but hey, I made it through unscathed. That's gonna be my claim to fame. No, we're building you back up again.

Yeah, that's coaching, baby. That's coaching. I do feel like there is some buzz around match shop for the Hall of Fame. I'd say there's some buzz. Yeah, no, I've heard there's people talking. In this room specifically. Well, that's where it starts.

Every idea has to start somewhere. There's people. It's a little seed that we're pouring water on right now. Here's what we're gonna do, Matt. We got an acclaimed big J journalist who's, he's right off camera. He is our former intern, but full-time employee, Jake Marsh, who went to Syracuse.

He knows the journalism world. He's going to write a blog that says, is match shop a Hall of Famer? And we're gonna cherry pick all those stats and we're gonna get the buzz going. Oh, I appreciate it. You guys are the best. That'd be great.

Yeah, it's gonna happen. We just actually, I was looking at it more. We just need to get to Sean Watson off the Texans because right now you own like every Houston Texans record. Well, those things are made to be broken and he, he, he clips the single season passing thing, you know, the other day. So I mean, he's going to rattle off

and roll off all of those. You never think that's gonna happen. 527 yards. Jake put down on the, the blog, match shop, great player, even better guy. Cause that was an even better guy answer. Also, what about, what about your holding ability? Have you ever, have you ever botched a hold?

No. No. Say no. No, I don't, I don't think so. No, I haven't. Perfect career hold. The one fire call that I had at Chicago back in 2006, I'm not, I'm not driving anyone under the bus,

but you know, it was kind of a rough snap. It was like minus 30 degrees. So the snap was, I had to smother it in the ground, couldn't get it up. And so we had a little fire call that we had to do. That one doesn't count. So it was the best holder in the history of the NFL. Yes. Yes.

All right. Well, Matt. The more they always, they always say, the more you can do it. If you can hold, you can do all this different stuff. Then you can last 17 years. Yes. We really appreciate you joining us, man.

Especially short notice. Congrats on the kind of retirement, but not retirement. Congrats on continuing your career as breaking news on part of my take. But we really appreciate it, man. You've been playing for another five years. Yeah, you're good. So when you do retire officially, we'll have you back on.

Appreciate it guys. Thank you. Thanks for having me. All right. Thanks so much, man. That interview with Matt Schaub was brought to you by our great friends over at Noom. We love Noom.

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Fullback extraordinaire. Voice of the Packers on Radio. I don't even know what you do. I don't really care, dude. Let's just get to it. Fuck you. I hate you. I know you're mad.

I jumped on you on Twitter when you said you hated Aaron Rodgers and you probably should hate Aaron Rodgers, but I had to. You left it wide open. Let me ask you this. Does Aaron Rodgers, you know him, you know the guy, does he take special pleasure in beating the Bears?

Because it feels that way. Well, you're damn skipy. It just comes easy to him. It's like second nature. Some people are really good at what they do. And when he plays the Bears, it's like he's in an extra groove. It's like he hits an extra gear.

Let me ask you this, because we've discussed the Packers all year. And the word that has come up more often than not is soft. The S word. Are the Packers, in fact, soft? Or have they, because I feel like they kind of found an edge once the weather started to turn,

once it became football weather in Lambeau. That's when they started to turn on. You know, it's crazy because I think this team that has a 13 and three record, just like last year's 13 and three record is entirely different. One of the words that was brought up last year, a lot with this Green Bay Packer team was soft.

You're exactly right. And I think that Monica kind of stayed with them coming into 2020, but they have seemed to remove that the last six weeks. So the regular season and going into 2021, I can't say, I don't think anybody out there can see they're soft anymore. The way this defense has been playing,

especially with what it did against Tennessee when they were the number one offense in the league. So to me, this is the best Green Bay Packer football team, probably in a decade. Yeah, no, I, so obviously I'm biased. Obviously I have hate in my heart,

but I also do pride myself on at least telling like somewhat truths last year, all year. I was like their frauds, they will get exposed. That happened this year. Anyone who listens to this show knows that I've clammed up in the last month. I actually said the Tennessee game was essentially like, if the Packers win that game convincingly,

I will officially be on. I'm nervous about the Packers winning the Super Bowl watch. I do not think they're frauds. I do agree with you that they're very good this year. What is though, what's the weakness? Like what's the one, or maybe it's not even a specific unit, but like what's the game flow

that can get them kind of fucked up if you're an opponent looking at the NFC playoffs? You know, Kat, this is going to piss you off because I think the game plan offensive is a lot what the Bears did the last game, right? The way they started the game, you got to control the clock. You got to limit possessions for Aaron Rodgers

and the Bears did that where they failed in their game plan is you got to do it for 60 minutes and you got to score touchdowns. That's the only way you're going to beat this team this year because their offense is so efficient, number one in the red zone and the way that they can score either quick as hell or take seven and a half, eight minutes off the clock,

it doesn't really matter. They can beat you multiple ways on offense. So your best bet playing them is keep them on the sideline. I think a team's going to have to run the ball effectively and then their defense is going to have to get pressure with four or five because you cannot leave the back end wide open and put a linebacker on the fastest man on the field and expect that to turn out okay.

Okay, well, what about this? What about the Packers beating themselves? Because the last time you wait, the fastest man on the field, you're talking about MVS because he can't catch. Oh yeah. Well, listen, what would you rather have big cap? Would you rather have one for two or would you rather have zero for zero?

So I just say run that son of a bitch down the middle of the field every time, throw it to him and you get a touchdown 50%. Whatever, okay. I'll call heads, you call tails and we'll see what we get. My favorite thing to talk about when it comes to like a really great team is to be like, well, they can beat themselves.

So that their own worst enemy could be themselves in the wrong instance. Like earlier this year, I remember they played the Bucks and Aaron Rodgers sucked against the Bucks. So if Aaron, that was like- His little baby- That was the rare game where he was doing baby pumps and he was throwing pick sixes.

So what happened that game? Because I need to go back in time and figure out like who he was mad at. Was he mad at the floor? Were they at each other's throats before that game? And he was like, I'm gonna go out there and try to do some weird shit. No, that game was crazy.

Yeah, that game was crazy. And I'm gonna go back in and watch it again this week because that's who I think we're gonna have to play here in the divisional round when it comes around. But they started that game. What? Wait, do you know who the Bucks are playing? Wait, that's a double disc.

It's a two- Yeah, it's a two- Because if the Bears win, they play the Packers. Yeah, it's a two-for. And you see, saying the Bears and the Washington football team are out. If you wanna come on this podcast and spit in our faces,

maybe I need to re-evaluate your credentials for the Lowman Council. Oh, come on, guys. Listen, I'm just doing lockdown parlays here. That's all I'm trying to do. I'm trying to throw you a couple parlays here. Okay. So we'll see.

Yeah, that Buccaneers game was a wild game. Aaron and Matt LaFleur actually handled the pressure that the Bucks threw at them early and led 10-nothing. I thought the way that they handled that was tremendous. However, their cornerbacks, the Bucks, they're notorious for this. If you ask scouts around the league, their corners like to sit down there

and bait and jump on routes. And they got Aaron Rodgers. They got the best quarterback in the game this year. They baited them right into that quick pass to Devonte Adams that we see him complete every single week, but that's the defensive scheme that they like to run. And when you score a touchdown defensively

and then next series, you intercept the ball and put it down on a one-yard line, that's an enormous momentum swing. And then, as you guys remember, David Bakhtiari left that game, making a switch mid-game is one of the hardest things to do for an offense, especially an offensive blind

and going from the right side of the line to the left side of the line. They were in all kinds of trouble, a world of hurt. They were just kind of hit by a title wave there. I don't know if it plays out the same way if they play each other, but definitely the Buccaneers are one of those teams that have a set of skills that can compete

with the Packers coming into the landfill. So who, so the Bucks, and then what would you say like ranking the other? Because listen, I know that you've already written off the Bears and the Washington football team. That's okay. We said on Monday's show, we're just here for a good time. I don't want to see Washington either.

There you go. Yeah, yeah. You don't want to play the Bears. Or the Bears. Hard to beat a team three times, John. I have no fear of the Bears this year, honestly. This is not a schnide on the Bears, but this year, the trade that they had with, you know, swapping defensive end for defensive end

with Leonard and Quinn, it just has not worked out in their favor. That seems to have hurt Khalil Mack. And when Akeem Hicks isn't being absolutely dominant in his position, drawing all kinds of attention, Khalil Mack isn't the same guy. He's getting too much double teams, too much attention from offensive coordinators

to really be impactful this year. And most of that has to do with Leonard being out there now in LA and not with the Bears anymore. Did you just say that Akeem Hicks might be the most important player on the Bears defense? I've been calling that all year long. So I've been calling that forever. All right, you're a smart guy.

Your football credentials, check out. Wait, who's the most important player on the Packers defense? And offense, give it to us. Because this is when you can separate the true football fans from the casual football fans. There's a difference between best player and most important player.

So who is it for both sides? Well, it's Aaron Rodgers. They played six games for the Bears for the last, they played six games without the Varte Adams the last two years and they've won all six. Yeah, Aaron Jones is the most important player. Yeah, I was going to say Robert Tanyan. You know, Bobby Tanyan is, and we say it Tanyan now, fellas.

We got to make sure we get it phonetically correct. But Aaron Jones, yes. But gosh, man, how many times have we seen Jamal Williams and even AJ Dillon a few weeks ago come in and do what Aaron Jones was not doing at that point in time in the game, really bring an edge, bring a hard downhill physical run. I think Aaron Rodgers, you know, you talked about that Bucks

game, that's really the only blip on his radar, his season. Everything else he's been absolutely lights out. And plus guys, he gets the plays adjusted at the line of scrimmage. He's running with floors all. He's basically walking up to the line of scrimmage every time with two to three plays and he calls to play at the line of scrimmage for the offense.

It's got to be Aaron Rodgers. But on defense, I honestly think the biggest impact player, the reason why their defense has really come along these last few weeks is because Adrian Amos has dropped in the box. Kat, that's going to make you mad. But he's dropped down in the box. But that guy has speed to cover the free safety back end spot.

But him being in the box in tighter quarters and not shying away from physicality, being an aggressive type of defender, really suits his set of skills. And it was a spot the Packers were missing for the longest time when they go dime or what they call Bronco. So I feel like what you brought up with Aaron Rodgers

is really interesting about how LaFleur has given him this freedom because it sounds a lot like a parent of a child. And this is like a teacher thing, too, where you want to make the student or the kid feel like they're in control. So you give them two options that you've already pre-selected. So you're like, do you want to do the dishes or take out the trash?

And they're like, well, I'll take out the trash. But in reality, you just made them do a chore that you needed done. But they feel like they're in control of it. Would you say that LaFleur's biggest strength is that he makes Aaron Rodgers feel like he's the alpha? Yeah, I mean, you're going to win an MVP award. So at some point in time, you've got to really determine

who the alpha is here. But you make a great point, Matt LaFleur, with what he's done this year in the course of two years. Last year, this offense was not like this. And it's pretty much the same cast and characters, guys. So what's been the change? What's been the difference? Yeah, Robert Tanya was injured last year.

He had less catches last year than he has touchdowns this year. That's awesome. That's because he was injured, however. The rest of this offense is basically the same as what it was last year. And it's just that much better. I think Matt LaFleur really is using his guys to their set of skills.

Like I said, forget messing around with MVS anywhere near the line of scrimmage. Run his ass straight down the middle of the field to make the whole defense turn around and run backwards, trying to pace him. He's done a great job with that. He's done a great job with the connection with Aaron and Devonte Adams.

And I don't really know what else to say about this offense, other than they're the best in the league. Well, let me say this. And you should maybe talk to Aaron about this. Could you imagine, and this is just I'm just throwing this out there, could you imagine this offense if they had Chase Claypool or T. Higgins on it? Those guys were available when they drafted a backup quarterback.

Just saying. That would be insane. I mean, they would have broken all the records. Yeah, that's crazy, John. Sounds like they should have. He would have won the MVP for sure. Wow. Nobody would be talking about Derek Henry as a possible candidate.

OK. What about, well, maybe it's, I mean, I'm looking back over the timeline of this last year, back in June or July, Danica and her crystals left town. All of a sudden, Aaron Rodgers' talent is fully unleashed on us with the crystals holding him back. I actually do think that in a weird way, and Aaron Rodgers probably never say this out loud.

But like, well, actually, I think he said something like this after the draft. But like drafting Jordan Love, he does seem like a chip on his shoulder type of guy, where it's like if people, I mean, we've heard the stories about how getting passed in his draft and falling all the way in that green room like pissed him off. So when he's pissed off, he clearly plays better.

Yeah, I mean, honestly, was the drafting of Jordan Love, is that what inspired Aaron Rodgers to be this great this year? I don't know, Aaron credits a pass that he watched himself throw from practice in 2010. I don't know if I buy that. He also credits squatting 405 pounds now. I don't know if I buy that. He believed that.

No, I don't. Wait, he went back and watched a pass that he threw from 10 years ago. What was he doing? I actually do believe that, because he's a psycho. He's a psycho. He has not, he has not, you know, gone into the detail of this pass.

He promised us that he will let us know at the end of the season what the pass was, who it was to all the details about it and why it made such an impact on him this year. And yeah, that might be a cool little niche story. And squatting 405 pounds might be a great story for a quarterback. But guys, you saw the Jordan documentary, right?

Because that's, I mean, that's what it was. It was a Jordan documentary. Think about how many times he said, and that's when I made it personal. And what did he do every time he made it personal? He was an absolute rock star. Did Aaron Rodgers make it personal this year? I think so.

All right. So he punched Jordan Love in the face during practice. That's what I'm hearing from you. Correct. All right, let's talk real quick, John, about the Lowman Trophy. So this is obviously going out on Wednesday. We already had it, but can you tell us

who you voted for and why? Yeah, I voted for Mason Stocky to win it. And you talk about a guy who started the season on his football team with the first touchdown of the year. And he goes to fullback you. I know Wisconsin fullbacks have won this award like three years in a row, but I still can't help it. He played in all the games for the Badgers this year.

He played very well. In fact, they had a couple of packages where they had three fullbacks in the backfield at the same time. Who doesn't love that? That's like a fullback's wet dream. So yeah, I had to go with Mason Stocky as my vote plus. I'm trying to take the gun under my wing

and do a little bit of training with them this off season. See if I can't help him out before he gets into the league. You know, get a couple fullback assists next year. Hell yeah, I like that. And it's kind of one of these damned if you do, damned if you don't situations with Wisconsin fullbacks because they've got so many of them. It was awesome watching them in the mail bowl

when they had plays where they'd have like. The mail bowl was awesome. Yeah, they'd have like two fullbacks blocking for a third fullback who was getting the carry. And but it might be a situation where they split each other's votes. In fact, since this is coming out on Wednesday, I can tell you this is embargo, though, John.

You can't say this until after 6 PM Eastern tonight. I won't tell anybody. He came in second place. So it was the closest vote. He lost by he lost by who got was it army? Was it the army fullback? It was. Yeah, it was the Buchanan ball.

OK, that I can live with that. I can when you played 11 games with COVID this year and you basically, you know, said this to COVID, I can appreciate that to a guy who goes out there and runs the football in a wingtings in a wingt style option offense. That's good. I'm glad to hear.

Yeah, he's 260 pounds, six feet. So like that's a he is he is a bowling ball. That's hilarious. So yeah, he is the winner. We appreciate you being on the committee. Had a quick question for you about like into the year stuff. So you've played on the Saints, obviously. You played for Sean Payton.

Does he really try to get all of his guys paid? Like, does he know going into games? This guy, if he gets, you know, two more receptions or if this guy scores one more rushing touchdown, he hits an escalator in the contract. I'm going to try to get him some more of the owner's money. And that's why players like playing for me. He is such a player's coach.

He's a terrific mind. He loves to find ways to get his starters the ball at specific times when they can be successful. So yeah, so they can reap all the rewards. But I'll take it a step further. It's not just getting paid. I can remember Michael Thomas' second year. He had an opportunity to have the most catches

out of anybody in NFL history through their first two seasons. And we were playing down in Tampa. We had a division locked up. We had seen that Caroline had already lost. So we were safe to lose the game and we were getting beat. And we throw, it was two, three, back to back, just wide receiver hitches to Michael Thomas.

I'm thinking myself, what the hell are you doing right now? You're going to get Mike T. Hurt. We need him for the playoffs because he was balling at that time. What is going on? I found out after the game that he did it just so that Michael Thomas could set that NFL record. I thought that was pretty cool.

That is cool. All right, John, worst of luck to you, dude. I'm worried. I'm actually worried. I'm very, very worried about the Packers. Like I said, I am at least honest that like last year I felt confident that they were going to blow it this year. I don't feel as confident.

I'm just praying. I'm just praying. So I don't know. I don't know. The Bears and the Packers games are the worst days of my life. You know, I'll tell you the truth. We won it in 2010, 2011.

I felt like we were going to win it. 2014, I felt we had a very good shot to win it, but we had to travel to Seattle. Every other year I played, I was scared to death of some team out there that we would have to face at some point in time. Even last year for this Packer team, I had some reservations this year.

Honestly, I look around and I just, I don't know if it's something in the stars, how efficient Aaron Rodgers and the offenses, or the fact that the defense is actually like borderline right on the edge, top 10 defense, which Aaron Rodgers has almost never had, or maybe it's all three of them combined. I do, man.

I really think they have a strong chance to make a case for that Super Bowl championship. So who's the one team though that can do it? Like I know you said earlier, the football team, you don't want to see them, but you're just being nice to me. They do have team of destiny vibes. Would it be the Saints?

Well, the thing, well, the, no, I'm not, and I love the Saints and I would love nothing more than an MC championship with the Packer Saints and just let them go at it, let them duel it out. Cause I'm not sure how Sean Payton would coach that game. He would try and take the ball as much as possible and he'd raise his hands. You guys don't believe that, but he would.

Go look at what happened when they went and played Seattle in the Legion of Boom up there in Seattle when they went seven and nine and they ended up losing to the Beast Quake. He didn't even try and throw in that game. All they did was run power and try and slug it out with him. He would do the same thing with Alvin Kamari do the same thing with Latavius Murray.

He would try and outthink and outcoach Matt LaFleur up in Lambeau Field. I think it'd be a tremendous game to watch, but I think they'd come up a little bit short. I think the teams truly to worry for the Green Bay Packers are in the AFC. I think it's the Chiefs with their ability to score really fast.

And I think it's the Buffalo Bills because Josh Allen somehow grew a hose in the last off season and can throw the ball at any point in time on the field to any spot on the field. So those two teams scare me a little bit if they happen to make it to the Super Bowl and if the Packers happen to make it to the Super Bowl. But I was serious about the football team.

I don't, we saw them last year, they had like six sacks against the Packers and that defensive front with the 15 first round picks that they have, that's a scary proposition for somebody to have to drop back and try and make sure they get rid of the ball before they get munched on by one of these six, six, you know, 300 pound guys.

Okay, yeah, we're gonna munch, we're gonna munch this weekend. All right, well, John, thank you for participating in the Lowman Trophy as always. You're one of the best voters we have. And I'll take it back, I like it. Am I the only one that responds? No, no, we've got you, Lorenzo,

I mean, I can get into all of them, but it's gonna take a while. I'm gonna leave somebody out, Alec Engel, T-Bob Heybear, Hank Fornelli, we got a lot of guys out there. Anthony Sherman votes. Can we talk about how Danny Vitale ghosted us? Who? Oh, yeah.

Can we talk about how Danny Vitale has ghosted us? Yes. What is up with that? Well, we think that Danny, I think he's off the grid right now. I think he's gone like full thorough. Who's the guy from Into the Wild? Ted Kaczynski, Ted Kaczynski.

Christopher McCandless, yeah. So Danny has, he's lost everybody's number, he doesn't have a phony, more doesn't have a Twitter account, doesn't have an Instagram. If you know Danny Vitale, let us know that he's okay. And he's not in his shed building bombs.

Let's put more milk cartons. Yeah, yeah. Okay, we'll find him. But John, thank you. And hopefully we see you soon, man. Always fun, guys. That interview was brought to you by our great friends over at Zip Recruiter.

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Oh. What? Poop area, a lot of lube. I would say, I would assume this is just pooping in an apartment. Oh, that makes sense. Yeah. Yeah, have the conversation. So it sounds like you want to break the poop barrier.

Oh, I wouldn't. I would just pretend you're showering. You gotta leave some things mysterious. Pretend you're showering. You can say. Turn on the shower. I'm showering again. You can say, I'm just going to be in the bathroom.

This is why every single, it should be a code in America where every single apartment listed for two people has to have at least one and a half bathrooms. Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. Yeah, just do the shower, though. Run the water, get some matches. It's not that hard. How much, I mean, obviously Leroy, rest in peace,

but how much would you guys analyze your dog's poops for health and stuff? Is there a follow-up question here about normie? Is normie okay? No, I just do it like I'll be picking up his poop and I'm always like, you know, take a look. I'm like, oh, you know, what's the color like today? Like what's going on here?

Hank, I'm happy you brought up normie. I used to have a bearded dragon and you could see, like if you fed him a mouse, you could see. I don't know if you want to do what you're about to do. I don't want to do what I'm about to do, but I've seen some videos of a very, let's just call him riled up normie.

What's going on? Is this dog? Dude, norm peed in the house last night. Is he still, is he still just- Well, Hank was playing video. I think he's got an- Horny all the time? He's got an absentee father.

What's up with him? Oh, he's just got a, he's got a bear that he really likes. And when they get together, you know, he's a guy. He's a guy. He's taking hard body a little bit too far. He's just like us.

Has he gotten spayed and neutered? Yes, he has. So this is just for life now. He's just gonna be fucking shit for life. Yeah, probably. He's like, well chamberlain. Well, and like he will, you know, I brought him to my parents for break.

We didn't bring the, you know, his fuck, his fuck, his fucked bear. And he was just depressed the whole time. When he was back, he was really excited. Yeah. I mean, that's like a teenager that, you know, gets the house to themselves for the first time in a week. Yeah.

All right. Let's, let's just pretend this is real for a second. Yeah. Humor, humor, humor this person. Hey, PMT fellas. My boyfriend and I have been together for seven years and we're 21 years old. He's very sweet, kind, loving, caring, good in bed

and always goes out of his way for me. You probably don't know any better. 21 years old, been with the same guy for seven years. Correct. He is just in bed. You were in bed at the same time as him. There's just one problem. He had an affair with my dad,

but he has no idea that I know my sister found out because she caught him through a baby monitor for my cousin. What in the world should I do? It's just kid stuff. You should make a documentary about it called Vanishing Plain Sight. I don't know.

I don't, I don't know. I think you got, I think you have to sleep with his mom. I don't know. Yeah. I think you need to address this. If this were real. Do you dress it with the boyfriend or the dad first?

I think both at the same time. Yeah. Whoa, yeah. Let him just go, yeah. But yeah, I think I'm gonna, if this were real and this were 100% real, I do think this is something that, and I'm giving a real answer here, you want to talk about at some point.

It feels relevant. It also feels, it feels strange that this relationship is still going on at this point. He, he, he, it's game. Seven years. No, no, no, I'm saying, are you, do you really trust your sister though? She was the one who said she saw it.

Oh! So it could just be like, if you were a jealous sister and you wanted to cause an issue, you'd be like, yeah, I saw your boyfriend and dad being on the baby monitor. Good addition, Billy. Classic, yeah. Yeah, no, you're right.

Billy got it. Okay. Yeah, like every, every sister that's jealous is like, yo, I saw your, your, your boyfriend sucking dad's dick. Well, also remember, this is a sister that hasn't had that happen. This is a sister who's seen a seven year relationship. What?

Yeah. She wants her own, but what about this? What if the dad doesn't like the boyfriend? It's like, we need to get rid of this guy because he's gonna propose and then he'll be in my life forever. So he told the sister, tell her that you saw me sucking his dick. And then if she comes to me, I'll admit it.

And then the boyfriend's gonna be like, what the hell is going on? One further, he's like, listen, the boyfriend will talk his way out of it. We gotta make this so real. They can't. I'm gonna get him to suck my dick. Yeah.

So that he, so that we break the- The perfect crime. Yeah. Or they were, the father and boyfriend were wrestling. Yeah. And they made it look like- Which you definitely have done. What?

Just like, I, that's a Billy, that's a Billy take. A Billy take is like, well, what if they just like caught each other's eyes and they started wrestling? And I'm not saying this in a bad way. I'm saying you, you would just wrestle a little guy. You just like- Two consenting guys can wrestle.

It's fine. You've never wrestled a girlfriend's dad? I'm not saying this in a joking way. I'm saying this is why people sometimes are like, why, like, why is Billy? What you don't understand is Billy is untapped, unfiltered, straight from the source, you know, straight from the Rocky Mountains, bro.

So when he hears this, he's like, well, they could be wrestling. But Billy's right. Because like- It's very common practice. There's like an unspoken thing sometimes where it's like the two people that are closest to this girl in her life are her father

and her boyfriend at the time. It happens in the wilderness all the time. And guys just see each other. You make eye contact and you start wrestling. Watch The Planet Earth for me once. He's two fucking guys, the two bucks going at each other. In that video from Hong Kong, I was walking around wearing pink shorts and no shirt

while I was on MDMA. There was another guy. He walked by, we looked at each other and we just started wrestling. And it was guy stuff. And you just shake hands. Sometimes in nature, you just see another person and you gotta wrestle.

He's making sure that he can affect his daughter. Yeah. And he's doing it like Greco Roman style back in the day. Okay. Well, we've given you enough to chew on. All right, a couple more. Sup boys and happy new year. My fiance and I just got engaged in September

after being together for eight years. I've asked him on more than one occasion if he would ever make a sex tape and he always says no. But if he asked me, I always say yes. He thinks it's weird and always drops a conversation. Does he actually hate me? No. I don't think so.

I think he just doesn't want to make a sex tape. You have different goals. I think he's probably a little woke on big brother looking at everything. Which is the correct way to do it, right? He probably gets weirded out by the conversation a lot. Well, you're very eager for this. Are there other tapes of you?

I should know about? How often have you been bringing this up? Sounds like a lot. Billy, you wanna tell people, the young people who are listening, why your cautionary tale of why you shouldn't do a sex tape? I think Snapchat is gonna have a huge blackmail on future politicians.

We should make sure that that cloud gets deleted. Yeah. Yeah, we should. For the politicians, not for you. No, no, no, not for me, but in the future. Think about it. Think about it. You have a bunch of dumb 14-year-olds

and teenagers and stuff, and then in the future, they might become important people and there's a whole cloud of data. Other people. This is not a joke. Right, no, a politician. I think that there'll be a scandal that happens in the next 20 years where a Comcast

or a major internet service provider just gets hacked, or they release a bunch of documents, and it's just everybody's search history and everybody's internet history. But guess what? At that point, we're all fucked together. But we'll probably be judging future presidential candidates on stupid Snapchats.

Right. Of them like 20 years and stuff. Probably can't win the presidency with that. But it might actually, because our society gets so fucked that we might be like, yo, that guy shotgun was two seconds, his was four, I want the two second guy. God. Or it might be like, this dude's shit is huge and hilarious.

The guy with the biggest shit on Snapchat. Exactly. Gets to be president. Shotgun is four seconds, what a pussy. All right, we'll end with this one. Is eating a single egowaffle versus two sociopathic behavior, perhaps early warning sign for future serial killer? No, just eat waffles as you please.

No, but no. I'm pro-waffle in any circumstance. No, no, but eating, you can't eat one. You gotta eat two. That's the question. You gotta eat. What if you eat one, it comes in a pack of two, right? What if you save one for later?

Well, you're still eating two. Yeah, but you're not eating two right then. But there's no way that one kills you up. Yeah, no chance. No chance one fills you up, zero chance. What if somebody steals your egow? Well, that's not on you. Then you gotta say, let go.

But two, you have to eat two, always eat two. How can you not eat three, four? Maybe that's why someone comes back and they're like, you only ate one, it's like, no, I actually ate three. Dude, you realize what's happened to us. We've been brainwashed by egow. Because the entire premise of their commercials from like the 80s and 90s,

where somebody trying to steal one of your egos and you'd say, let go my egow. And now it's like, you cannot let that happen. Why do you think Pringles are so popular? Because once you pop, you can't. What about Lays? You have to finish all the Pringles. What about Lays?

What was that? I bet you can't eat just one. There you go. Tootsie roll pops. They got us. How many licks? They got us. One, two, three.

Love that guy. The owl. Right out to my own heart. Just fucking take a bite, go sad mode on it. Billy, you got an animal fact for us? Yeah, I remember this. Male and female hyenas both have penises. That's pretty cool, I guess.

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