Pardon My Take - Michigan Head Coach Dusty May, NFL Free Agency With Pete Prisco, Winners And Losers From First 2 Days Of Legal Tampering + Guys On Chicks

Episode Date: March 12, 2025

NFL Free Agency has begun and we talk all the big names and winners and losers. Sam Darnold gets paid. The Bears, Patriots and Commanders got better and Memes is ready for Justin Fields in New York (00:00:00-00:25:24). Hot Seat/Cool Throne including Tiger Woods tearing his Achilles, Cooper Flagg’s mom being awesome and Big Cat’s 16 game streak coming to an end (00:25:24-00:37:36). Michigan Head Coach Dusty May joins the show to talk about March Madness, what happened on Sunday, shooting down Indiana rumors, Danny Wolf, and Dusty’s hobbies outside of basketball (00:37:36-01:04:32). Pete Prisco joins us to break down NFL Free Agency and an Italian vs Italian fight over Jalen Hurts (01:04:32-01:44:23). We finish with guys on chicks (01:44:23-02:01:04).You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/pardon-my-take

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Pretty awesome that his career seemed like it was over and he just signed a hundred million dollar contract to go to Seattle. Yeah, I think he played it right. Like he played very well last year with the exception of the last what three games of the season. Yeah. So he had a great year here in this contract. Congrats to him. I don't know that I would love the situation in Seattle right now because they have gotten

rid of a lot of guys. You're not going to have the same weapons and Jefferson and Addison and Hawkinson. Yeah, that's not going to exist out there. You're not going to have KOC. Yeah, it's going to be different. But I am very happy for him. It's interesting when you look around the league, you've got Sam Darnold signing a contract, Gino Smith on the move. Aaron Rodgers is going to get another job. Yep. And Zach Wilson to the Dolphins. Every former Jets quarterback. Yeah, did something big. This this free agency is getting something big and the Jets got the memes. You got your guy. You got your guy. Justin Fields is a New York jet just like you wanted. Congrats. We got our guy. Happy for Justin. Happy. Happy for Justin. I'm excited. A lot of Bears fans have been DMing me Saying he's a lot of fun big cats told me he's a lot of fun. He is he doesn't there's also a downside Yeah, he's never had a good offensive line. We do have a good offensive line. We have good running backs

We're gonna establish a run. We're gonna be a run first team and That's what's important here I I checked in withes yesterday after it happened, and I had a honest conversation with him, because I told him, I was like, he makes Sundays fun, long term, I don't know if he's going to be your answer, and I said, if your expectations are not wildly out of control, it could be a fun time,

and I asked him, what's the ceiling of the Jets with Justin Fields next year? He said nine and eight, and I said him what's the what's the ceiling of the Jets with Justin Fields next year? He said nine and eight and I said that's actually that's that's a that's a fine way to approach it. Yeah, you might be surprised Yeah, that's the ceiling well. He's betting on himself, so you just gotta hope he just pops off You just got to back him up. Yeah, and be like if you're betting on yourself. I'm betting on you well He's not totally betting on himself. Yeah, it's a two-year deal. It's a two-year deal, so he's actually not betting on himself Yeah, but if he pops off this year, he's not totally betting on himself. Yeah, it's a two-year deal to your deal. So he's actually not betting on himself Yeah, but if he pops off this year, he's already Contra well, he's under contract for the second year

The Jets are basically avoiding the Sam Darnold situation where they don't want him to if he pops off No, I have a let him cook here. Like you're always betting on yourself Yeah, I guess but if he what if if he has a great year this year and then next year, he's bad. I Think if he has a great year this year then he won't they won't play the second year under that contract. Maybe even an extension or one year or they could be like maybe that we got to see another year and not make a mistake at Daniel Jones to say who Daniel Jones by the way incredible job of getting 14 million dollars. I know it's probably not all guaranteed but still yeah Colts quarterback. You know how meme says if you don't

like the Justin Fields trade, then you're racist. Yeah, that's how I feel about Daniel Jones. I'd agree. If you don't like Daniel Jones on the Colts, you have a problem with white people. Yeah, you do. You do. He's doing the the Manning Brothers career arc. Yeah, is what he's going to do. I think it's interesting having him Anthony Richardson. And then you've got obviously Jonathan Taylor at running back.

Why not just run the wishbone? I don't hate it. I don't hate it. That's what the culture do. Just, just run the fucking football. Daniel Jones might be QB one by, by mid September. It also, there was an immediate Chris Berman that came to my brain when I saw this. He's just Indiana Jones.

There it is. And he kind of looks like it's perfect. You should start wearing the hat. Wear the hat wear the hat Daniel that would be sick. But yeah the the the QB I feel like memes in a good spot. The Giants have no quarterback. The Steelers have no quarterback as of right now We're taping this in the afternoon. It feels like Aaron Rodgers gonna be a Steeler and then I don't know what the Giants are gonna Do I feel like it might be just a game of musical chairs, but it's Aaron, whichever team Aaron Rogers doesn't pick, then Russell Wilson might just be the quarterback of the other. Yeah, that does feel like he's, it's going to be like, Oh,

Aaron Rogers or Steeler. Okay. I guess Russ is going to be a giant. Yeah. We got Aaron Rogers at home and it's Russell Wilson. Yeah. Yeah. Um, all right. So what other, what other big, I mean, the bears had a nice day. I, I'm, uh, my. My take on free agency is if you have to, because everyone's like, oh, they're off season champs again. The Bears haven't won anything with these guys. If you have to fix all the holes, that means you're a bad team. If you have to go into free agency. But with that said, I'm very happy that Ryan Poles did a good job of just beefing up the

trenches on the offensive and defensive line. And it feels like what was a massive weakness is I'm not going to go as far as say strength, but it's looking a lot better than it was a week and a half ago. I think you can say that he, he said a lot of players that were not on the bears last year, correct? Which would be a good thing. Correct. And the guys that he did sign are for the most part, big, strong athletic guys that should be upgrades. Yeah.

And you invested in some skill positions last year, some of which panned out, some didn't. But you kind of looked at that last year. Now you're beefing up the trenches. I think it's a good idea. Yeah. I like what the Bears are doing. The middle of the offensive line is a lot better. The defensive line has some depth.

Were there times yesterday in my inner monologue that I said to myself bears are back, maybe, but that can't be confirmed. Six out of ten. It was in my brain, so I never said it, so it doesn't count. But maybe, maybe. If there was a bracket for who had the best offseason, do you think the Bears would win? No. I think they might be in the championship game.

No. I think we're looking at the two of them right here. I think so too. I think it's the Bears and the Patriots. No, I Bears did okay See man, there's did really well, too. Yeah, they got Laramie tonsil in Dibo. Yeah, he was talking about us Okay, I know but I'm talking about the I think the Patriots did a good job Max came up to me yesterday and he was just like oh this You're what you're doing kind of reminds me of the dream team you think

you're putting together dreams. We made a couple nice moves. This is not a dream team that we're not like putting together a super team we got Debo who was fat last year who I think will still be good. It's not like he's at the peak of his powers right now. He was a fifth round pick. That's where he traded for him. Then we swapped third and a fourth round and then gave up a second rounder for Tuncil. So it's not like we're getting like all stars that are very good.

And you got Kinloch. I'm just pumped about tonsils because now I have to do a gas mask bond. You do welcome into town. Yeah. Also, I don't understand the Texans strategy being like we had a bad offensive line. Let's trade our best offensive lineman. Yeah. They got rid of two of them. I think was the best. And then they had a bad offensive line. Let's trade our best offensive linemen. Yeah, they got rid of two of them. Tunsel, I think was the best and then they're a lot of false start calls and whatever, but I still think he's, I mean, it's really hard to play that position and you can see the price for left tackles. Yeah. So I love Laramie Tunsel because then we can move the guy that played left tackle for us last year. He was a rookie, not necessarily left tackle by trade. We're going to move him around for Sam Cosme, then maybe move him around again once Sam gets back.

So I like the moves that we made. I'm pretty pumped about it. One thing that I was thinking about the other day, because we were talking about Joe Milton, Bazooka Joe. And with the Patriots signing the past or not, Josh Dobbs, to be your backup quarterback, feels like the Patriots signing the pastor not Josh Dobbs to be your backup quarterback feels like the Patriots are just burying Joe Milton. Like we're never they're actively trying to trade. We're never going to get to see Joe Milne. I you'd be great on the Steelers. Hank, are you excited about the Patriots moves? How many of the players were you do? Were you breaking down tape? No, it was I mean, Matt Collins, I've known for 10 years. That was a cool full circle moment.

I met Mac when he was, I think, going into his junior year college at UNC. He was Caleb's roommate. And I spent a year with Caleb living with him where he's like, Mac's going to be a pro, Mitch is going to be a pro. And I was in my head, Mitch was a backup. Mac was playing well, but he was UNC. I didn't necessarily think that was like a pro path a pro path and you know to see him grind out He got drafted forth been on a bunch of teams great special team or it's cool that he's on the Patriots

I'm pumped. What about the other guys? Milton Williams max that he was good. Yeah, Carlton Davis the reports him and he's old but he's very durable. Mm-hmm And I don't know the other guys Harold Landry he was a very able guy in Tennessee yeah yeah Robert Splane is a white linebacker played in Pittsburgh so I'm excited yeah what about uh we need we need we need a reciever we need another receiver yeah by the way the the winners of free agency are the teams that didn't have to do a lot like the Ravens just resigning Ronnie Stanley and Patrick Ricard.

That's like the Eagles. Well, the Eagles lost some more players than the Ravens lost players. But like the winners of free agency are the teams that were already good and didn't lose a lot of guys. They were, they're the big winners in free agency because they were already good. The 49ers have also lost a lot of guys. Some to free agency, some to trade. The most recent, I think they they they cut Leonard Floyd today and he got signed almost immediately by the Falcons. Yeah. So yeah, they're gonna be a much different team next year. Also, we should say winner and free agency. The Cowboys all in

because I don't know if you guys saw but they signed a long snapper for three year 4.4 or $5 million deal. So that's pretty big. All in my ass. Yeah, he's cooking. Jerry's up to something. They also re-signed Kevonte Turpin. Yep, true, true. Max, how you feel about the Eagles losing a lot of guys? That's a problem with winning Super Bowls

is that you provide good players and then those good players don't have contracts anymore and then other teams can pay those players more than you can. So right now, we're just offloading contracts, which kind of sucks. We traded CJ Gardner Johnson. Yeah, I thought he was going to be a leader. He was one of your co-leaders. Yup, Darius Slay retweeted something that kind of talked about that. Um...

Yeah, no, but Gardner Johnson's actually been very mature about it. He did a thank you Philadelphia post and then he also was on some live stream. He was talking about how it basically had to happen because he was like, I had to go. I just asked for them to send me to a contender because they have a lot of contracts that are coming up and the young guys got to get paid. So that's basically what he said is we're not really saving that much cap space for this year, but we're saving a lot of cap space for the next couple years because we have a lot of guys on rookie contracts that are going to have to get paid.

So even as he left town, he was being a leader. Yeah, no, he actually- He requested a trade right now in order to make the team better in the future. He didn't request a trade, he just understood the trade. Okay. Like he understood that if he's there, then Nolan Smith might not get paid, and Nolan Smith's gotta get paid.

It's a business. It's a business. Yeah, it was a business. What about Bechtin? What's Bechtin gonna do? Looks like he's gone, we're not gonna be able to afford to pay him either. We instead went and traded for,

statistically, the worst. Oh, the worst offensive lineman in the NFL. But Mackay Beckton was also a bad offensive lineman. Then facts coached outland, coached him up, got him ready. So hopefully we can do the same thing. Had a lot of potential. It was a first round pick in 2022. So he's basically, you know, still a first rounder. We pick, we traded CJ Gardner Johnson for a first rounder. Yeah. Okay. Okay. That's good. Uh, also winner Denver Broncos. I feel like they did a good job of beefing up their defense, which, you know, the, the, the need to maybe just go and get, try to splurge on some wide receivers when the wide receiver market wasn't like robust. Uh, they avoided that and they're like, Hey,

let's get a really good defense. And they got some X niners. Yeah. Come and help them. I also, by the way, cause I have bashed them, but I'm now back to being a fan. Ryan polls. I also think has done a good job of signing guys that their contracts will it's usually it's about a two year or three year deal two year, most of them where it's like, that's when you're going to have to pay Cale Williams if Cale Williams becomes great, setting yourself, most of them where it's like, that's when you're going to have to pay Cale Williams. If Cale Williams, you know, becomes great, setting yourself up. Right. So it's like, I think you don't want to get into something that's like five years from now. I think that's why the Texans are getting rid of a lot of guys right now is

because they know that they're going to have to pony up for, for CJ Stroud. Also Stefan Diggs, I feel like he's going to sign a pretty decent contract. Yeah. Right. He probably will. Like if you look at the free agent market for wide receivers this year, not that great. No. There's some guys in the draft that I think probably some really strong receivers

in the draft this year. But if you don't get one of them, I feel like he's probably the best that you can do. Also Giants fans, I think this is probably the end of the making fun of Saquon Barkley and not re-signing him thing, but signing Darius Slayton for three years, 36 million when Saquon Barkley got three years, 37 million. That's the end though.

I think it's the end, but that was pointed out a lot of times. And it was also the one year anniversary of the Eagle signing Saquon today. I saw that Chef D tweeted that. Commemorate. One year anniversary. Really? It feels it feels like everyone's just shitting on the giants, which I get. But just back off. They know what they did. Also loser the Bengals are still have a bunch of guys that they have not paid that they need to pay. Yeah. And that seems like a pretty, pretty tough situation they're in right now. I have a question for you. Big cat cat. Yes Do you think that we've seen the last big quarterback move? No I'm not talking about Aaron Rodgers. Joe Milton. I'm not talking about Russell Wilson I'm talking about a quarterback that has a job right now her cousins Kirk cousins might be that I feel like Kirk cousins maybe to Cleveland because right now I it's Cleveland's move is Kenny Pickett

He could be Giants too. He could also be a giant. I Think we probably have seen the last of the big why do you have something? No, I just heard something on the radio the other day and got me thinking go ahead Kyler Murray. Oh Yeah, do the Cardinals love Kyler Murray I Don't think they should I don't know if they. And you got a coach that might need to shake something up. Keep his job. Interesting. I like that. I kind of Yeah, I'm just saying keep it keep an eye on the card. Okay, up to

something. Also, yesterday, the most important internet day of the year for NFL fans. Yeah. Yeah. And I've been a big proponent of everything Elon's been doing with X.com the everything app. It's all happening on X. You are the media. What the fuck was going on yesterday, Elon? It was so bad. He then he started to claim that he was probably getting hacked by Ukraine. Buddy, you got one job and that's to make sure that Adam Schefter can tweet on free agency day in the NFL. Yeah, I like to tweet our coworker Nate had that Trump asked him to turn off Twitter because the stock market was plummeting.

Ah, interesting. We also had I tweeted like something along the lines of like, Elon, you're real fuckhead for having Twitter break on today of all days. And I didn't realize there is a group of people out there that ride for Elon harder than any fan base. Oh, yeah Yeah, I mean I was rocket baby. I was I was vaguely aware but man my replies were just whoo I think they searched for Elon Musk is crazy I didn't know that we I didn't know we had we had fans of the dude the way that people root for their teams Yeah, no, we got a lot of Elon fuckboys out there that just they're his online defenders. Me? I would I would never I would never you know, root for another man like that and put

all my hopes and happiness and how they do and how many interior offensive linemen they signed. Ryan Pohl's was cooking. Now have you seen the meme that's legitimate criticism, and they're firing a gun at Elon Musk who's a poo who and then there's a guy jumping in to block The bullet and just as weird nerds. No, I've not seen that meme. I've not seen that meme But I try I did I've done everything that I possibly could to support Elon through his X comm the everything app takeover You just this is how he this is how he repairs you guys are big But he must be getting paid a lot from their ads, right? No, not really.

They just gave us the check mark. We didn't pay for the check mark. I haven't gotten a payout in seven months because it asked me to submit proof of my ID or something. I was like, fuck that. I'm not sending that in. I mean, I get a couple hundred bucks a month, maybe. It's not great.

I thought it was going to be more. If you are only getting a couple hundred bucks, then it can't be worth it for anyone. Yeah, I It was a bad day for Twitter to be down just very bad day since some of those 19 years in big balls the 19 Year old guy and doze over to take a look at Twitter source code. Just get a fix fix that up for me All right, what other what other free agent? Either teams or players. I I we're gonna talk about Pete Prisco We're gonna get into depth with him about winners and losers. I

I'm starting to believe it's kind of like our Sam Darnold Baker Mayfield clip from like five years ago I'm I might start to believe in Zach Wilson again just because that that offense is Set up to just You know drop back throw. Well, there's a lot of MILFs in Miami for him to impress That's probably the best city in the world for him to go to that's true. Hey pull up the pull up the free agent signing tracker again Max let's just go. I don't want to I don't want to miss anyone go up to the top Oh Puna Ford that was big and afford for the Rams. Oh, it's huge got a big run Rams are gonna be good, man Rams are gonna be good. Where the Chargers doing can we can we see it go back to that?

Chargers got Najee Harris. Oh, yeah, that's right Chargers got nausea Harris I'm trying to look see if we missed any any big ones You're going too fast. I can't I can't I don't know if you want me to go fast or slow I want you to go medium Travaria sword to the Colts. Yeah. Kyle Uschek got released. Yeah. That sucked. Be nice to have him in DC. Be nice to have him in New England. The Bucs re-signed. Godwin in. Levante David. And I think they got a pass rusher as well. It didn't feel like, it felt like a lot of the big moves happened via trade Yeah, like on the week leading up and then Sunday night and then there weren't once Sam Darnold went

There's some nice pieces but again it's free agency like you if You're getting someone it like Drew Dahlman is gonna be a better center than what the Bears have had for a long time But he's also not a perfect player because otherwise he wouldn't be in free agency. Right? That's just how it works. Ronnie Stanley didn't go to free agency. You know who else is a free agent right now? Trey Lance. Oh, Trey Lance Cowboys gave just a one draft picks for him. Didn't play him for some reason. Yeah. And now he's just he's free to sign wherever I think he's thrown like 400 passes as a NFL and collegiate quarterback. Yeah. So, oh yeah. James is still out there. There's your big move.

Yeah. James is lurking. There's probably bidding war for James right now. Also is, is Derek Carr going to start for the saints again? That's kind of one of those things that he's like, Oh yeah, I guess. I feel like, I guess so. I feel like Kellen Moore is going to look at Derek Carr and be like, yeah, I can work with this. Yeah. All right. We'll give it a shot. I just, I, his, his name popped in my head last night. I was just like, oh yeah, he is going to play for the Saints. Yeah. Again. I'm gonna do that. Let's see. Brandon Sheriff, has he signed anywhere? Nope.

So there's some, still some, some names out there. PFT, I like the Larry Ritunsel. I don't understand from the Texans. I like Larry Ritunsel. I like, I like King Law. Yeah. You did a lot of good things. Good moves. Memes are shaking his head no for some reason. Oh, for Kinlaw? Oh, Javon Kinlaw. That was the worst contract of all time. Oh, that we gave him? Oh, here we go. Fleeced? Fleeced? The worst contract of all time. You guys just let Jonathan Allen walk and you signed Javon Kinlaw. There was a lot of shit with him. Wait, Deshaun Watson still is is that contract still is going you're right Second worst second worst. What about Aaron Rodgers? Now he was a stud. He still got some ball left in top five top five you think that was the worst contract given out

It's so bad It was so I didn't know. Yeah. Yeah, you've got some real animosity towards kid. Hey, he's the king of Just like all right plays over 15 yard penalty. He's the king of just like, all right, plays over 15 yard penalty, Javon Kenlaw. You can't stop the run. He can't do much. He was on a proven deal last year and just didn't prove anything. Bet on himself though. Well, I mean, it sounds like you proved something if you got that much money. $45 million. You love guys who bet on themselves. I do. I do. But now he's your problem. He's now is my problem. Coach Quinn. Coach Quinn. He's going to, he's coach Quinn coach Quinn He's gonna he's gonna coach him up other than that. You did a great job. Thanks memes appreciate that. Oh, what else did the Jets do?

Got a safety a corner. They also told Peter Schroeger that we're not going they're not gonna leak any information What we don't know they could assign more guys with it So they leaked to Peter Schroeger that they will be stopping the leaks They could have signed more guys with it. So they leaked to Peter Schreger that they will be stopping the leaks Yeah, they they what they'll be announcing everything at 12 o'clock when the official Period starts they're respecting the league year. Yeah, I'm gonna need a year So everything that got announced was from the agent or a player side got it. You're not supposed to sign anyone right now Yeah, but everyone's being signed right, but you're not supposed to you're not supposed. It's actually illegal So we shouldn't we should actually shouldn't even we should be talking about it. signed. Right. But you're not supposed to. You're not supposed. It's actually illegal. So we shouldn't. We actually shouldn't even. We should delete this footage.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I like this whole thing. I like the Jets though being we're the only ones that are going to respect the official NFL agency deadline. Wait, does that mean there they there's like there's gonna be a flurry of signings that you're expecting. I hope so. But Justin Fields got leaked. He deleted. Yeah. But that's from the player side. So the player side So the player side could leak it but inside the building. I don't fucking know so what he Players and their agents would leak it if they were signing with the Jets though wait So the Jets are basically doing like if you forget your significant others like birthday or like Valentine's Day

You're like wait till you see the present. I got you Yeah, it's it's coming later It's in the mail, and then you have to like rush out and grab something. That's what they're doing. Yeah, that's what they're doing He also deleted that tweet immediately and then quote tweeted somebody was just like yeah, they're not telling anybody anything Okay, what about your boy? One of the savages of the season from last year memes Hassan Reddick. Oh We got a conditional fourth-round pick for him. You got a harder for him. So now he's now he's with the Bucks, right?

He's with the Bucks. Whatever. What happened with that? What did you ever find out? What the explanation was? Why you guys should have extended him when you signed him, when you traded for him. Yeah, we should have. And then it was just a hold off between him and Joe Douglas.

He never came in, got fat, refused to play, didn't get a contract, went to free agency. I love me just breakdowns of these things. That was such a weird, weird saga that went on. Yeah, it was. It was very weird. It didn't work out. He got a one year deal. Yeah.

Also, yeah, congrats to the Bucks, Chris Godwin. Big resigning. Yeah. Big resigning. Congrats to the Bucks. Chris Godwin. Big resigning. Yeah. Big resigning. I was hoping he was coming to New England. They know what they're doing in that front office down there. Yeah. All right. Should we do Hot Seat Cool Throne? And then we'll get to our interview. We're going to talk more NFL free agency with Pete Prisco. And then we have Dusty May as well. We're going to actually start with Dusty May. Let's do Hot Seat Cool Throne. It is brought to you by our friends at Reese's Reese's peanut butter cups are the perfect combo of chocolate and peanut butter You can buy Reese's cups basically anywhere feed your fandom Reese's cups are the perfect complement to the chaos of March a drool

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somebody else. I come back the two are still there. I eat the four. Yeah, always always Reese's the best All right, Hank your hot seat cool throne. My hot seat is Tiger Woods Took him very unfortunate today. He put out a statement that said as I began to ramp up my own training and practice at home I felt a sharp pain in my left Achilles, which was deemed to be ruptured. Mm-hmm. He got surgery for today surgery went Well smoothly we expect a full recovery and he said he's back home now plan to focus all my recovery and rehab Thank you for all the support. All right. Okay, is that his is that his driving foot? I don't know but it's just Injury after injury. Yeah, it's over here. It's over. It sucks, but it's over. It's probably over. Yeah. Yeah, he should enjoy his life He's the best golfer I've ever seen so go enjoy your life senior tour. Maybe that'd be cool Just seem dominate get ready for you. Just get Charlie ready and then just be at playing the majors

Yeah, get Charlie ready to go next up And then my cool throne is Superman punches. Yeah. Yeah, this happened last night in the Utah hockey game Simon Benoit Benoit, I don't know. Yeah, I've been walk. Probably been walk. Yep. I like the way you say it, but no Like boy, Wisconsin was the bad wrestler guy. Oh, that would be What do you do? Why is that? No, I just wasn't great at selling punch no skin. He's a murderer Mmm bad guy was he on Adam Schefter's tweet? Oh, before Twitter, was that 2007? Yeah, it was a long time ago. Oh, Justin Reed breaking moves. No, it's Benoit. But I feel like there's someone out there that's named Benoit. All

right. So if you're Benoit, hit us up. For chief safety, safety safety Justin Reed reached agreement today with the Saints on three year 31 point five million dollar deal All right good for him for him. I Asked Simon Benoit. Yeah, but there was Superman punch in a fight. He kind of missed it He dislocated his thumb, but then hockey guy move was in the penalty box relocating his thumb himself. Love that relocating it Undislocating. Reducing the dislocation. Relocating. Is it relocated?

Dislocated. What's the opposite of dislocation? I think it's a relocate. I'm popping it back in. Pop it back in. I like relocating. Yeah. Relocating is good. Utah hockey is big on that.

Benoit. Benoit. Okay. It was sick, but he lost the fight. Yeah, he got smoked. If a man- You went all out. Yeah.

You have that picture in your house forever. It doesn't matter. Don't ask me what happened afterwards. Yeah. I did the Superman punch. It was fun. It is an insane move to do in a hockey fight though. On skates.

Yeah, I respect it. All right, PFT. Yeah, I mean Hank took my tiger from me, so I'll say my hot seat is doctors in Argentina. Because the guys, the doctors that were looking after my personal hero, Diego Maradona, maybe the best soccer player of all time and fellow short king, they are currently being put on trial for homicide for killing Diego Maradona. What? I guess we're about to find out what happened,

but he was being treated for a blood clot in his brain. They took his cocaine from him? It had nothing to do with cocaine. The 2018 World Cup, where Maradona is up in the stands in his private box, that was the box of the decade. Yes. Because there's this glass pane that's in front of Maradona, and it's covered in white powder.

This guy was having the best time ever. So he died in 2020. And then he had he had the that blood clot in his brain. He had surgery, it was a success, then he goes home, then he died shortly thereafter. And they're saying that the doctors actually killed him. He's been dead for five years. Yeah, pretty crazy. Right? That's crazy. Yeah. So I say justice for Marad years. Yeah, pretty crazy, right? That's crazy. Yeah. So that Yeah, okay. I say justice for Maradona. Yeah, I'd agree. He was he was the absolute best. I'd like to see the findings here. And then my cool throne is

the big 12. Because they're playing the tournament right now. And their court is the weirdest fucking thing I've ever seen in my entire life. And the commission of the big 12 said that it's actually resounding success because so many people are talking about Oh, okay., embrace debate. The court at the big 12 tournament, which looks like a magic eye. It looks like, uh, if you've ever put on a VR headset and asks you to scan the room to know where the walls and the floor are, that's what it looks like. They're playing, they're playing basketball on a Louis Vuitton back.

Yeah. It's like, uh, it's a bro. It's a Brooklyn Nets game. It's, it's bad. I feel like if you're a player on the court, you probably don't mind it that much. But if you watch it on TV, it sucks ass. Yeah. Yeah, it is. It's hard to look at. It's hard to look at. Okay, my hot seat is UNC fans, because I don't know if you guys saw, but Cooper flags mom there, there was a viral clip over the weekend of doing the on the head because he threw down a dunk and

She released a statement and she said it was a very intense situation We were put into and we were taken back by the crudeness of UNC fans We made our way into the arena They continue to harass us with much worse being spewed in our direction as well as our 18 year old son his teammates throughout the entirety of the game Celebration was a moment of being so proud of our kid and also a big fuck you to the entire Carolina fan base for being classless assholes. If you're a UNC fan and didn't like it, tough shit, better luck next time. Go Duke. I love it. Yeah, that's good.

That's awesome. That's also, this is apology for, I apologize for absolutely nothing. It started soft. Yeah. It started like, yeah, I was getting, they're going to be chirping you, but you should be allowed to chirp back Yeah, that's a good that's a good response I love this so much because never in a million years would you expect a Duke players mom to be putting that state, right? Yeah, it was it was very undue cover. Yeah, which is a compliment. Yeah big-time compliment My other hot seat is me because my 16, you know streak has ended 16 in a row. I'll never do it again It was a hell of eight days I'm sad it's over and now I'm just gonna go on tilt for a little bit and then

hopefully find my way back to neutral which is like going like 46% now you got this yeah there's one thing about like getting high if you go on like a five and five and oh run six and oh run you chalk a lot of that up to luck 16-0 you you knew the game better than the bookmakers. Yeah, I had one moment I would like to I would like to take back as I got into bed last night And I just muttered I have nothing to live for anymore and my wife was like what did you just say so that was bad But in the moment I was very upset about the 16th. I mean it was fun. It was a fun ride Thank you for everyone who rode with me and and congrats to Hank cuz he's gonna fade me now He's gonna win a shitload of money. It's gonna be a great ride. Yeah, you made a lot of people rich in March

Yeah, thank you. And now you get to your you put in the puts. It's the big short There's a bubble you made a lot of people in March You saw me by the boat that rode you yeah in the street rich and now you're gonna. Yeah now I'm gonna give it all back back Yeah, so you're you're Robin Hood. You saw you saw me buying a stripper pole and a boat near and you called Michael Scott and you were like, hey, it's a bubble. We got a we got a short everything Thanks, Ryan Gosling and he takes out one jingo piece and just says you and CW Yeah, and he smashes the rest of it with a baseball bat. Congrats. It's gonna be a hell of a ride for you Hank You might go 16, you know the other way might happen

And then my cool thrown is Timothy Chalamet just cuz he's the man and I saw him was a Kylie Jenner Yeah, Kylie Kylie Jenner rubbing up on him. I would have came Just gonna say that But he's it does he have top five life right now going? It's pretty good. I mean, he's literally what, how old is he? 23, 27 and he's got the world by his balls. He's like universally loved. He seems like a cool ass dude. He's got Kylie Jenner and her big jugs rubbing up on him while he's watching tennis. He's 29 years old. He's got like everything in front of him right now and he knows ball and he knows ball. He's probably old. He's got like everything in front of him right now. And he knows ball.

And he knows ball. He's probably not. Kylie's probably going to break up with him during the tournament. Yeah. He's going to be like, sorry, babe, I gotta watch. I gotta watch ball. You understand? Yeah. The, uh, uh, a good follow on Twitter, big content guy had a funny tweet about how we're so dumb as sports fans that all you got to do is just like say one thing about ball and Everyone's like dude that guy rocks. Yeah, and he I think I'm gonna Miami of Ohio What yeah, yeah, he was like if Osama bin Laden had said I really like what what Miami of Ohio is doing this year We all would have been like, you know what? That wasn't that bad what he did. Yeah, he's kind of a guys guy

I mean just hung out with the boys and the caves had the monkey bars set up Yeah, yeah, essentially Al Qaeda was just training camp. It's the gambling cave. Yeah. Yeah Yeah, pretty much. Yeah Yeah Timothy Chalamet is proof that you can change an entire nation's perception of you by knowing ball If Osama bin Laden would have declared his love for my of Ohio's football program We would have been like, you know, we can always just rebuild those towers Yeah football program, we would have been like, you know, we can always just rebuild those towers. Yeah, it's, it's if if Kim Jong, if Kim Jong got three picks right on college

game day, I'm pretty sure we'd all just be like, that's just their culture. He ain't doing nothing wrong. Yeah. Listen, Kim Jong Un does no ball. He does. Yeah. Massive fan of the 90s bowl. Yeah, big, big Rodman guy. If you're Yeah, if you're playing 2k online and you don't know who you're playing 2k online, and you don't know who you're playing against, it's at a weird time of day. Chances are pretty good that it's Kim Jong Un in North Korea. Yeah, yeah, agreed. All right. Should we get to our interviews? We got two great ones, dusty may and Pete Prisco talking more NFL free agency. And good luck to everyone March madness. It's here. We're going to get into dusty main a second. He's brought to you

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We're excited coach. Uh, I guess we got to start with the elephant in the room Sunday had a little dust up with Michigan state. Uh, did you know that you're not supposed to step on another man's logo? Was that, was that ever, uh, uh, coached, you know, in any of your meetings with the, with the team? Well, the size of the logo, I, I assumed after the game, we probably wouldn't be on the logo for senior night, but as the game was going on, I didn't know that that was unchartered territory. Um, especially, especially the, we're shooting a free throw and the time before that, the, the free throw situation before that they we missed it They grabbed it outlet it to half court and Cohen Carr was at the rim in about a second and a half

So we were actually imploring our guys to stay alert and in case we missed the free throw to be ready to defend and Yeah, we didn't realize that it was gonna that would inside a wrestling maneuver But now we know yeah Yeah. And I would assume that you, you know, obviously you don't want players, you know, fighting at half court, but it's a rivalry. I would assume you're, you're a sports guy. You love basketball. You know, that's rivalries are good for sports. This is what fans want. Yeah. I I'm a big fan of Joel Missoula with the Celtics. So I was very intrigued by his comment

about how the players should fight a lot more. And I'm not sure I subscribe to that big cap. But the thing of it is, is there's already a player that came out and they told us the officials came over and said, hey, they have a tradition. They're gonna kiss the floor. And I'd probably seen the Matin Cleaves had done it before

and I'd even read where Respird had done it before after the fact. But I don't watch a lot of Michigan State senior nights. So I didn't know the exact protocol and procedures. And even now I'm a little bit surprised that they do it during the game. Typically you take your seniors out, they get an ovation, they kiss the court and they move on

or they hug their teammates, whatever the case. And the officials told me this is going to happen. I said, great. And so I think it was Fiddler, kissed the court, went out, took the applause. And then I forget the next player came out and something in our players were standing in the exact same spot. They're having it actually looked like they're having a conversation. And by the way we played it, they probably weren't talking about the next assignment,

but they're standing half court chatting and then just out of the blue something angered Holloman and obviously came in with the With the the aggressive maneuver and and but yeah now we know we'll I guess put our you know Hopefully we're not in this situation anymore. But next time we'll clear The logo that covers about a third of the court and keep it rolling. Yeah, you gotta respect the ass kissing. Yes. The ass kissing is a big deal there. So in a way, could this be a good thing going into the conference tournament?

Because in hockey, I always feel that way. If the team we're rooting for loses a big hockey game and there's a big fight at the end, stir things up a little bit, get the sticks tapped a little bit, change the momentum. At least your guys are fired up, right? Going into the tournament, could you spin this into being a good thing? Yeah, and to be honest, we were atrocious to begin the game.

The first 10 minutes, they were playing at a different speed. They were playing 2X on podcast, and we were at.5. And the second half, we competed at a high level. We looked, we looked like us again. Even though we didn't really make shots, we took care of the ball. We defended much better.

We play with, with more aggression and physicality. So it gives us hope that we can find our stride this, this last week or so against some of the most talented teams in the league. We haven't, we haven't competed at the level we needed to our play as well as, as, as we could have. But now a new season starts. We're excited, we haven't competed at the level we needed to our play as well as, as we could have. Uh, but now a new season starts. So we're excited for the big 10 tournament. Hopefully, uh, a Sunday would be a great rematch. Yeah. So yeah, I mean your season has been interesting because you guys obviously, uh, started really hot in the end of the season has been, you know, the big 10s tough, it

wears on everyone. What is the, the message though, when it's like you lose three straight going into the tournament, a lot of this tournament, tournament you know because you've been to a final four is getting hot at the right time. So is it drastically changing anything or is it, hey, we just have to start doing the little things better? Well, in the Big Ten now, there are breaks that you receive or you're on the wrong end. And in our schedule, I think we played four games in the last 13 days against some of the best opponents. So where other teams had it earlier. And obviously we have an advantage being in the Midwest

where we're closer to most of the teams in the Big Ten. The West Coast schools have to travel more. There's just disadvantage and advantages of being in a league this big. So now by us securing the double buy, we have some time to practice and rest. We really haven't had an opportunity to practice in a couple of weeks because the quick turns

and the mandatory day offs and whatnot. And we don't have the depth that a lot of the other teams have, we've got a couple of reserves that have been injured and ill and haven't played. And so we've been riding really six guys during this stretch. So it gives us a chance to kind of take a deep breath, find a way to get healthy, and then also practice for a couple of days and try to clean up a few things. Yeah. Do you have a message to any Wolverine fans out there that might be thinking about hitting

the panic button? Cause I think, I think the panic button might be in the room. They might be looking at it. They haven't, they haven't smashed it just yet. But to those fans out there, do you have anything to say to them? Give us, give us, give us two weeks. These are the most important games coming up and yeah, I wouldn't hit it quite yet. We still have a group. We've got a heck of a front line that that's continuing to, to put up staggering numbers, even when they're not playing their best. And, and I believe that we're gonna make some shots.

If you would have said we're gonna shoot 30% over Big Ten play, I would have said, man, we're done early. We probably won't make the Big Ten tournament. And that's what we ended up doing after being really 20 games in. We were one of the top shooting teams in the country, top 20 shooting teams in the country from three and top three or four from two. And over the last 14 games or so, I think we're around 350 fifth or 360th. So there's been a big drop off in shooting. Um, one of the, the, the factors

is one of our best shooters hasn't played in a while. So, uh, but yeah, I think we're going to make some shots where we were really close yesterday. We generate some good looks that just didn't drop. So I think we're much closer than the scores as it indicates as of late. I got a, uh, kind of not a basketball nerd question, but obviously your team this year, very, very good struggle with turnovers. That's been a kind of the bugaboo all year for you guys. What is there a specific drill? Or is there something that you do as a coach where you're trying to fix that? Because I'm just curious.

Like it's, it seems like something that would be difficult to fix, but I'm, I'm wondering what as a basketball coach, you're like, this is what we have to go through to clean this part of our game up. Because if we can clean this part up, we're probably a lot better of a team than people expect. Well, early in the year we attributed to, we were playing a little bit faster than these guys had ever played. We're, we were really trying to sell something for the future, the recruits system, a style of play. And then we realized that we weren't really turning it over when we were playing fast. It was mostly just the decision making, the ball movement.

We've tried every drill. I've consulted probably 25 different coaches. There's actually a group of us that were really struggling earlier in the year with turnovers that we were communicating with each other About what we were trying to do what you know And and so the the other two guys that were down at the bottom with us those guys have made they made a nice jump Late, so they were able to fix it And it would using the same idea. So we just haven't been able to yesterday. We did in the second half

But it's it's a myriad of things. I think we had three or four turnovers on, on illegal screens. Uh, we've been trying, we've been imploring our guys to screen more and get their teammates open. So it's been a different problem every night where there haven't been real consistent themes. And it's, it's something where hopefully yesterday the second half the light bulb went on and, um, you know, hopefully we can figure this out before it's too late. Okay. Couple. I did one thing off that. so there was a turnover group text who else was on it that's

awesome. I I'll just say my good friend coach white at Georgia who I worked with for a number of years at Louisiana Tech in Florida and I was actually talking to one of his assistants this morning I said hey I haven't checked your turnover numbers lately they've won they've won their last four or five games against really like they've caught they found their stride in the last five games and I asked if their turnover numbers were down, because I didn't have time to research it. And he said drastically and I asked him what they were doing. And he told me the two drills that they had done consistently. I said, yeah, we did those as well. They didn't work for us. I mean, that's awesome that you had a therapy group with the coaches with high turnover

teams. The other thought is, have you thought about maybe making everyone on the team dribble around a basketball in Ann Arbor and letting the entire student body know, like, hey, you can pickpocket at any time. These guys have to do a better job with the ball. Just really making it just playground rules. Well, Big Cat, actually a lot of our issues are over dribbling. So we're trying to go the other way. Like for these guys to be to be passing through crowds, passing around the fans, walking the side sidewalks. But it's something to think about. Okay. Yeah. So you need to have, you need to pair everyone up and be like, you guys

have to go to class together and you have to pass the ball. Can't hit the ground. You have to pass all the way to class. I like it. Okay. Or just run the three man weave for an entire practice. Yes. Just never hits the floor. I always loved that drill because it was really fun to do as a player, but I don't think it helps in a basketball sense at all. The three man weave. There's a lot of, there's a, that's actually a, a, a debate, ongoing debate amongst coaches and it serves different purposes. Catching on the run and whatnot is not that easy, but a lot of times the defenders have something to do with this.

Especially when you're playing a team as physical as Michigan State and as intense as they are and as deep as they are. They have a lot to do with those turnovers and you've got to find a way to slow down and make simple decisions and reads. I would just run a practice where I had five guys on offense and then I'd have eight guys on defense and be like, take care of the ball. We've done that against pressing teams. It helps. Yeah. Yeah. What, what, uh, so what's Danny Wolf's ceiling?

Cause I love watching him play. Um, you know, I'm a badger. We played earlier in the season and the Vlad Danny Wolf pick and roll was, I had nightmares about it afterwards. It just worked like over and over and you guys are just running it over and over. But Danny Wolf, he's, he's an incredible player and like, what do you think his ceiling is as a player? I mean, he's just scratching the surface to be honest, big cat. He, he can shoot it. Um, you know, he's still learning to trust his catch and shoot shot. He's always been such

a playmaker that his first instinct is usually to catch and dribble and drive. And we're trying to get him to trust his three ball more for his long term future. And for us, we had like as I said, we haven't shot a well, but his ability to dribble the ball make make difficult passes. I mean, he's got a special, special gift. And he continues to try to simplify his game to get his turnovers down. But that Wisconsin game was kind of their coming out party and, uh, we're glad to do

it against your alma mater. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's a great story too. Danny Wolf, like he usually when a guy, uh, transfers from an Ivy league, cause he went to Yale, it's like, you know, a fifth year senior or something and he's like going to be, you know, a role player. He was, he should have been in, he should have been, been playing power five basketball from the jump. He's that good. And he's a little bit of a late bloomer. I think even as freshman year at Yale, he had several DNPs, didn't play a lot. And that summer he played with the Israeli national team and just part of playing more and having confidence. And then his sophomore year, he

really exploded and became one of the best players in the Ivy league. And at his height, the situations worked out well for him too. I do think Vlad, his ability to get behind the defense and catch any, any basketball in, in his vicinity, um, has really helped Danny as a passer and helped his production. And, and as you guys saw in the Barstool Invitational last year, that's a big target around that rim.

Yeah. Coach, we take ourselves pretty seriously as journalists here. And one part of that is trying to dispel any fake news that goes around. So I want to give you the opportunity to get ahead of this, because we have an internal reporter here, a person who works at Barstool Sports. His name is White Boy Rick.

And he is a massive Indiana Hoosiers fan. He reported that you would be the next Indiana Hoosiers head coach. Can we just say is Whiteboy Rick, is he onto something? Because I think it's fake. I think he made that up as a fan, but I'll give you the opportunity to say what you want about it. I'm going to go fake news on that one. Okay, white boy Rick is sorry. All right, but off that I you're staying at Michigan. I think you signed into contract extension. Congratulations on that. Part of you does feel good when your name just gets thrown out there when you see Indiana and everyone's like he could save us. That's got to feel at least good for the

Eagle. You never gonna you're never gonna leave your Michigan man, but that has to feel a little good where you're just like, yeah, let me read a couple, a couple of Indiana fans being like, we need dusty may right now. Actually it does it because you're better guy than a game winning games and people that coaches and people that you're really, really respect saying, saying nice things about you. Those are, those are the ones that the only ones that really matter. As far as that other stuff, you lose a game and it's not, but yeah, I'm very, very happy at Michigan. I appreciate the opportunity that these guys gave me and I'm excited about the foundation that we've laid in year one. Yeah. See, all right. So you're a better guy than us because I would definitely, if I were in your spot,

there would definitely be moments where players would try to talk to me and I'd be buried in my phone and be like, sorry, white boy Rick and Hoosier bong rips are saying they need me so bad right now. Hoosier bong rips knows ball. It's hard to pass up a compliment from that guy. Like, this is awesome, I'm their savior. Now that we're on topic, I wasn't aware

of the Hoosier bong rip stuff this week. That guy doesn't exist, he will now. I'm assuming he's got a real keen eye for hoops. Quiet eye, he's got a quiet eye. They're red, but yeah, he's got a good eye. I read that you bike to work every single day. Did you keep that up throughout the entire winter in Ann Arbor, or did you take a couple days off?

I took a couple months off. Yeah, that's a bokeh thing. And I tried it the first day it got cold. I tried it and I was about a mile at the road and my hands were frozen. So then I'm riding with one hand, switching hands. And so yeah, it didn't work out. I parked the bike, the sun, it's 60.

My wife just texted me a little bit ago. I left early and she said, it's 60 today. Make sure you make your calls outside. And so apparently we're gonna get a little bit of that bokeh weather now and you know, I'm excited for it. Did it hurt a little losing that as a recruiting chip? Because when we last talked, when we last had you on, I think you said like hey when

recruits come here I just say look outside what do you how did you get your FA you guys to come up to Ann Arbor we did you just trick them did you tell did you delete the weather app off their phone the spring summer and fall and Ann Arbor are amazing so that's when we're doing most of the official visits okay and so we brought a lot of guys up from the south. So they didn't get hit with that, with the sledgehammer and until about really November, December, and it was too late, they'd already signed up. They're already here. So yeah. And you've got to just tell them, Hey, look in the winter, you're going to be locked in the gym anyway. We got to get you better. So it's like, this is no distractions. You're in the gym. Big cat. You got to help you. You're, you're a heck of a salesman. Let me know if you're interested

in us creating a GM position. I would never do it for Michigan. Although actually maybe, I kind of technically am just by working at Barstool Sports. For the right press, yeah. Well, Dave, I mean, everything at this company is just geared towards Michigan NIL. So, I don't know if you heard that.

You probably did. You probably have been in on the meetings. Every podcast we do on Pardon My Take, like half of the proceeds go to Michigan NIL. People don't realize. I like that. I'm a big fan. It sounds like we have one of the best leaders,

quarterbacks coming in. So yeah, he's made a great first impression. Yeah. Get on the phone with Larry Ellison, be like, Hey, I hear that your wife really likes this guy. This five-star recruit from Dematha. Yeah. Big fan. and be like, Hey, I hear that your wife really likes this guy. This, this five star recruit from the math. Yeah. Big fan. So, so we had Rick Patino in, in, in studio a couple of weeks ago, he said he's not even recruiting high school guys this year. Is, is that something

that you've considered or is it like, we still got to do both because it obviously everything's changed with the NIL. We're going to do. We signed two high school players early, technically three, and we brought one in at Christmas time to register second semester. We thought that would help his development for next year. So we're gonna do accommodation of both. We do think for long-term sustainability at Michigan, there's a lot more constraints in recruiting

than there are other places as far as we can't take third year juniors. There's some things that, so we have to have a feeder system and be developing some young players. And also just the way that we like to coach and we like to teach. We enjoy the relationship piece. We enjoy having lifelong relationships with them.

So we're gonna do a combination. We're obviously gonna hit the portal this spring aggressively, but we're gonna continue to recruit high school players as well. Just not as many as before. Yeah. What is a Michigan man and can you become a Michigan man or is it something that you're born with? You're definitely not born a Michigan man. I'm evolving into one right now. So it's someone that this place, there's so much pride and esteem in the connection, the relationships, the brand of Michigan, what it stands for. It truly is an honor to walk into the functions and meet the people that I'm able to meet as the coach and our players are able to interact with. So

we take a lot of pride in representing Michigan and what it stands for and the Michigan man is real to us. We're trying to find guys that are, they're high achievers, they're extremely motivated. They care about other people. And, you know, we've, we've, we've done a good job of identifying those in the, in the first cycle. I know that you're, you're always looking to improve

yourself as a coach. And I read that you were reading the, was it the Know Your Why book? The Why Is Everything, the book with Shanahan, McDaniel, McVeigh. I think you might've read that this fall. What did you pick up from that, that you relate to your job? Oh man. The, the, the evolution of McVeigh, number one, I think we all go through

it at a different stage. I know, um, years and years ago, I was an assistant coach and, and we got fired and, and I can, it caused me to completely realign my values and I became instantly became a much better coach, much better mentor, much better father. And so that's the one thing that really stood out and then obviously just the shanty hands, their forward thinking. I don't follow football anymore. I used to, you know, when you have kids and you have this job that's just demanding, you can't spend six or eight hours on a Sunday watching football or, you know, I do watch college football still.

But, and so just the evolution of what that coaching tree was able to accomplish and how the forward thinking and the connection amongst them, how they helped each other and how they saw things in people that others didn't see and had a different way of doing things. Because especially for us starting this year, we felt like we had to be different in some way. We couldn't simply come in and try to play like Purdue or play like Michigan State, be a carbon copy and beat them at their own game.

So we went with the two seven footers. We tried to do things differently and it allowed us to be in contention in the last couple of weeks of the season. And that's all you can ask for other than finishing the job. Yeah. So, uh, in the course of a season, uh, you have all these ups and downs, how many times would you say after a practice, you're like, that was a Bob Knight practice. Cause obviously you know,

you started your basketball career underneath him in Indiana. Was there, is there a moment where you can be like, yeah, you know what? That was a Bob Knight practice. Like the guys, we worked them really hard and they felt it and it was, we got a lot done. Can you pinpoint how many Bob Knight practices you have a year? We didn't have any this year. Oh no.

We didn't have any. Maybe you need to get one this week. We need, we'll have a few, we'll have a few, but we had a lot of, um, you know, we brought some guys in that didn't practice all summer. We were shorthanded really until September was the first time we could actually scrimmage with the full group. So, uh, we just didn't have the manpower to really a bang with the physicality and, and, and, uh, develop the habits that we needed to, to, to be a, you know, there's a, I said it yesterday

in the post game press comp, there's a big divide between first and second. And we learned that this year, but going forward, we do know that to get there, what it's going to take. And it's going to be whether we're willing to do it or not, and then catch the breaks you need to as far as health and whatnot. Would he ever turn fouls off in practice? Whatever, would he ever be like, all right, we're going to scrimmage and there's no fouls? Yeah. Yeah. And even, uh, I was talking to Damon Stoudemire, Georgia tech and, and, uh, about this, this past summer. And one of the ways that he said his, the best teams he's been on or been a part of in the summer, they would have basically like bodies on bodies practices

and then bodies off body. We're like one day a week and they would just be able to file the heck out of each other to your simulate and certain opponents. And then in other days you're, uh and you're simulating certain opponents. And then in other days you're simulating just playing good, solid positional defense, trying not to make contact. So your guys are comfortable and familiar playing against any different style

because there have been times when Vlad will have an off game finishing around the paint and we'll be watching film and I'll say, what happened here? What'd you see? And he'll say, the guy just moved out of my way. It almost threw me off because I was expecting contact. And so just, but yeah, we, you know,

if you're healthy and you got a full roster, we didn't play with near the level of physicality and toughness that Michigan State did. I would love to turn off for practice. Just be like, go for it boys. And if you don't want your players to hate you, you can outsource that too. You can call up Dan Campbell

Be like hey coach come in run a practice for us Have our guys just beat the shit out of each other and then you get to come in and be good cop later on I Like that that's a good idea. Yeah. Yeah, and if you're looking for a GM I mean you can you can copy what the what the Bonnie's did with woge call up Schefter Yeah, after we probably jump at the opportunity. Yeah. Yeah. Woj is actually a good friend of mine and we were talking throughout that process. And so I tried to make a few overtures and I was I was turned

down. Yeah. Yeah. Did you actually want Woj to work for you or were you like kidding around with about that? No, I did without a doubt with the scope that he's able to, I mean, he's got a worldwide brand. That position, and I think he's even taken the position

there to another level. I mean, I don't want to stitch on it, but he's in Belgrade recruiting right now at the A&GT tournament. I mean, he's cast a big net, but the exposure that he's provided, I think fundraising, I mean, a guy like that could, could provide, I mean, that's, that's the biggest area of the last couple of years. The biggest impact of a position like that would be someone who has ideas and

connections to generate revenue. Yeah. Um, all right. So coach, this has been awesome. I got one last question for you. It's a Roeback question. R-H-O-B-A-C-K.com promo code take. 20% off your first purchase. Q-zips, polos, hoodies, joggers, shorts, roeback.com promo code take. In your introductory press conference at Michigan, you said you don't have hobbies.

So I believe it, but also you got to have some hobbies. So what's your number one hobby? And you can't say family. You can't say family. So outside of basketball and family, what is Dusty May's actual, like if you had to pick hobby? Big head, I love to travel. Okay.

Anywhere in the world. Kind of a cop out. That's literally just saying my hobby is vacation. That's just, that's a cop out. That's like Hank. Yeah, we have a guy who does that. I mean, I, I enjoy playing golf for about three. Okay. You're Hank. Yeah. We have a guy who's for you. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. And I enjoy talking crazy amounts of trash when we're playing

pickup basketball. Okay. You love Joe Missoula. You are Hank. Yeah. You're Hank. We do anything. I mean, I like the bowl. I just, I mean mean I do it three times a year. So anything to compete. I love to compete I mean my wife and I we play cards I mean we'll play solitaire next to each other and and I'll talk trash to her even though the hands aren't even you know Just yeah even scores when we're you know, cornhole. Okay. These are good game where you compete. Yeah, I'm a gamer I don't like to you know in high school I worked at a video store so I used to be a movie buff So I finally have a guy on my staff that under the gets maybe five percent of my jokes

I can't really tell jokes in the office. I'm trying some hobbies It's just I don't go play golf once a week or twice a week But if we have an outing I'll go out and hit the club and and make some jokes Okay So and then what you said do you still play pickup with the guy, like do you ever get out there and like try to run with the guys? No Coach White actually started this tradition at Louisiana Tech years ago. Every day we'd finish practice and then we'd work the guys out or get some shots up or whatever the case.

And then as soon as the players cleared the floor, it was coaches versus managers and GAs. You put 20 minutes on the clock, 45 minutes on the clock, and it's great camaraderie, it's a blast. So we did that La Tech, we did it all the way through Florida, we did it at FAU every day as well. We had some gym constraint times there, so sometimes it turned into tennis matches with a group of guys other than one

that had never played tennis before. And so, but yeah, anything to compete. So I had major knee surgery a couple of guys other than one that had never played tennis before. And so, but yeah, anything to compete. So I had major knee surgery a couple of years ago, but I've recently started playing again. I've played probably three or four times this year and try not to go inside that three point line on either side. That's smart.

Yeah. What's the hottest you've ever gotten from three? In a pickup game? Oh, a a pickup game? Yeah. A legendary pickup games and in a real organized game, not very hot. Yeah, that's great though. That's I mean, that that is good camaraderie. I mean, if you play, we play hoops here in our office on Friday afternoons. And like, we basically there's one

guy who's a total douchebag who calls a bunch of fouls and we all just hate him and that's camaraderie. You know, absolutely. Yeah, that sucks. Yeah. Nothing brings a group together like a douchebag calling terrible calls. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Shout out Nikki. We can all agree on that. Yeah. If this guy stands on the logo at the end of a pickup game, we all just beat the crap out of him. We've simulated. Power bomb him. Yeah. You go cable guy on him. Yeah, absolutely. I got that reference. There we go. We got it. All right. Well coach, thank you so much. Really enjoy having you on every time and best of luck in March.

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apply. And now here's Pete Prisco. Okay, we now welcome on a very special guest, a good friend of the program. It is the Italian stallion. You can see him on CBS Sports.com or CBS sports HQ. He's tan as tan could be. It's Pete Prisco talking some NFL free agency. Pete, first of all, thank you for joining us. I wanted to start before we get to free agent winners and losers. Did you feel extra vindicated? Because I think that you're the number one guy out there who always says, Hey, everyone shut the fuck up. It's always about the money. Did you feel extra vindicated because I think that you're the number one guy out there who always says, Hey, everyone shut the fuck up. It's always about the money. Did you feel extra vindicated when Miles Garrett decided, Oh, I actually want to stay in Cleveland because they offered me so much money that I can't say no. Of course. It's always about them. I mean, think about this for a second. He does that. And then you have DK Metcalf. He says, I want to go to a warm weather and every, and what did he do? He ends up in Pittsburgh.

Yeah. I mean, so yeah, absolutely. It's always about the money. And like I said, I go around and ask players rank them. They all rank first money. What do you think they ranked second hall of fame? Of course. And then the ring is third and you know why look around I sell rings all the time on eBay you can go find Super Bowl rings on they don't sell they don't sell their money on eBay you cannot sell money on eBay that's against the terms of service but you can't correct you could you could try I actually might try to list some money on eBay So if we sign the money, yeah autographed money, is that illegal? Yeah hundred dollar bill sell for a thousand dollars

You could do that. Yeah, it might be it might be illegal You can sell bath water for you too. I saw that so there's actually one exception. You're right for the most part I think it's always about the money Chris Godwin though, I feel like he could have gotten more money elsewhere, but he likes Tampa. He likes Baker. He likes that offense. He wanted to stick around. Yeah. And again, you know, it's your own personal choice. What's the difference? Some people will say, well, what's the difference between having an extra 15 million and not and being

comfortable in Tampa? And I think in that scenario, he did like Baker, he likes the offense, he likes where he is. And I'm sure the family wanted to stay there. So sometimes you got to, you know, be happy for the family and they'd make a choice rather than you make the choice. But you again, $15 million is a lot of money to leave on the table when you're talking about generational wealth, and you're passing it on down to your

families. And that's why these guys always say, Oh, it's not about the money. Maybe not right now for you. That 15 million is a big, but is it hands down to generation to generation? It becomes big. So it's always about the money. And it's also with the NFL, you know, a lot of these guys get one, one crack at it. You know, you get one crack at this, at your free agency, you're not going to, you're not going to be sitting there when you're, you know, if you're playing a offensive line or defensive line, you're not going to be 35 years old being like, I'm still going to cash in. So the money is always important. All right. Winners and losers be answer this for me though. I said this on Monday and I wonder because you watched the tape. I don't really understand what the

Seahawks are doing because I would rather have Gino Smith than Sam Darnold. And I think Sam Darnold's fine. I get it. Like he had a good year. He, you know, the time they spent with Kyle Shanahan in San Francisco, he gets reunited with Clint Kubiak in Seattle. I get it. But I, I feel like Gino Smith was a better option and I don't really understand it. Well, he's older. Yeah. We forget that Gino, I mean, you look at Sam Darnold's only 27 years old. True. You think of him as an old guy, but he's not.

So I think they decided to go in a younger direction, because the money was getting a little out of control from what you hear what Gino was looking for. And he's going to get that contract from the Raiders. Again, I go back to what I said before pre-agency. Two years ago, if you would have said Sam Darnold, 35 million, Geno Smith, 40 million, Daniel Jones, you know, is a guy that can come in and compete for a starting job. Justin Fields getting two years and,

you know, 20 million, whatever. You would have said, what are you talking about? But that's how starved and, and, and, you know, these teams need quarterbacks so badly that they're going to push up these guys and they get desperate. That's what this is. This is all desperation. You know, how many times Gino Smith has thrown 21 or more over 21 touchdown passes in his career once one time. And then you go, you talk about Sam Darnold. Yeah, he had a good season, but what about the rest of his career?

And what about when the games matter down the stretch, the last two games, he didn't do much there. So I think desperation really impacts what these teams do with the quarterback position. Yeah. I was thinking about it more from Sam Darnold's perspective. And I, again, it's probably always about the money. I'm sure Seattle offered a lot more than maybe Pittsburgh might've been offering if they were in the discussion. But the situation that he's going into in Seattle, I don't feel good about it for Sam. He's got one weapon. The offensive line isn't very good. And he's been at his best when the situation has been perfect around him, when he's had great coaching, he's had an incredible assortment of weapons on offense. And now it kind of feels like he's taking that step back and he's gonna be asked to do a lot of it on his

own. I agree with you it's not a great situation and here's the other thing how many both you guys I know you said it at the end of the year everybody did oh Sam Darnold became Sam Darnold again oh my gosh right you said it you're a bit it you said it right and so that's the biggest concern for me is was what he did over the course of the regular season and aberration and he get back to the norm. And now you're going to get back to being Sam Darnold again. That's the concern I have with Sam Darnold. one or two wide receiver in the league and Justin Jefferson. All right. Biggest winner, biggest winner that you've got from free agency. And I put a caveat on this because I think you agree, Pete, uh, when you win free agency, you're basically admitting you're, you're, you're not a good team because if you have to fix your holes in free agency, there's a reason for that. Like there's the teams that were in the playoffs and made deep runs

last year are not the most active because they're already good teams. Correct. And you're overpaying for players. You're playing great money for good players around. And so you get into cat problems down the road. I get it. I get it. But some teams have to make those moves. Your team is one of them had to make moves. The bears had to make moves on the offensive line. They had to fix the middle of that offensive line and they did, at least they feel they did. Now there are some concerns with those guys. And I'm always playing the flip side of it.

Dolman is a wide zone scheme center and in that offense, how does he fit? Because that's not what they do. Jonah Jackson was essentially bench last year, didn't play very well, they know him. And then you got Joe Tooney, he's a great player but he's 32 years old, now you're gonna have to pay him after one year.

So they do come with these asterisks next to them, but on the surface, I think they're great moves. And I love the Grady Jarrett edition. That guy, look, 10 years into the league, he can still get up the field, he's still gonna be able to push the pocket. And I think that helps them from that standpoint. So I think the Bears actually did a nice job, in two years we might be looking back on and saying those

are more stopgap because they had to do it than having guys for the long term. I agree with that. The one thing I like what the Bears did in the fact that they made a very big weakness what seems like fixed for now. You never know how it's going to turn out but more than anything they can now go into the draft where they have three picks in the top I think it's like 60 select or no it's it's even higher than that like top like 50 selections because they have that panther second rounder where they don't have to they don't have to reach they can they can conceivably go best player available with those three selections instead of saying we need to get offensive line right now I hope they still draft offensive line but that's

the part where I think they give themselves a little flexibility when it comes to the draft. You know what teams don't do a good enough job of doing is draft an offensive lineman in like the fourth or fifth round who might not start right away, but you're developing them for a year or two down the road when they do step in and start. And that's why offensive line play is so bad in the NFL. The development is awful. Here's the other part of it. If you look at free agency, you know what everybody did?

They looked at the Eagles and they said, look how big and physical they are and look what they do. And all the teams tried to mimic that. You know, look at your, both of your teams, you look at, go and get tonsil at left tackle. They want to get bigger. They want to get stronger. And they have questions on that offensive line with Cosme being injured. What do you do? Do you move Coleman the right guard? You move guys around? Where's Wiley go and so now everybody's trying to copy exactly what the Eagles did by getting bigger and stronger physical up front I don't know that you can say that it we're all copying the Eagles like getting big physical strong fast guys to play offensive line That's generally been a good idea in the NFL. Oh

I'm with you, but you know how many teams have shunned that idea over the years by drafting skilled players and this guy and that guy. There's only so much. I say it all the time. There's only so many big people on the planet who can play the game of football and you have to find those guys. If you don't, you have major problems. That is true. I do like the tonsil move though, just because of what you said. Coleman maybe put him at right guard for a little bit. He's played some of that. Move him over until Cosme gets back. He's then he's kind of a guy that you can put at any position as you move forward. But with the Bears specifically, I like, I like what the Bears did getting bigger, stronger, better up the middle, because it's one thing to say like we're committed to Caleb Williams and to making sure that Caleb Williams has the perfect environment to succeed as a quarterback, which is what they did a lot of last year. And it's another thing to actually do something about it. I feel like you're actually doing something about it now.

You know, it's funny, we think back to last year before the season, everybody said, oh, it's the greatest situation ever for a rookie quarterback. And it really wasn't. It wasn't because of the offensive line. Now, a lot of that, he holds the ball and he's got to quit thinking he's at USC where he can turn a play that's supposed to go one, two, three, four into a big play by getting out of there after the first read and making play. And sometimes he did. And sometimes he made unbelievable plays, but a lot of times he took those sacks 15 yards behind the line of scrimmage and it moves them back. So he's got to be better. Now that they're better in the middle, he should be better. Yeah, I agree. And he does have to be better. All right. Other winners, other winners that you saw the guards, the guard

market. I mean, my God, look at the money being spent on those guys. You know, and again, it goes back to the, to the Eagle's theory on, you know, building on the offensive line. I mean, you've got guys coming off major, you know, will freeze is coming coming off and fries is coming off a major injury and he just got a major contract from the Vikings. You know, Ryan Kelly got hurt last year for the Colts got a decent contract from the Vikings because they want to get bigger. James Daniels coming off an injury. They want to get a guard Miami. He got paid. So the guards across the board got a lot of money and again, it goes back to following what the Eagles did. Pete, let me ask you this.

How are you getting your news updates yesterday when x.com, the everything app became x.com, the absolutely nothing app, when you couldn't refresh it, you couldn't get live information? What were you doing for free agency? You know, it's where we were on the air. And so somebody on our air actually had had their Twitter was working. Mine wasn't. And so we were kind of going through that. And you know, Jonathan Jones was on with us. And so he was getting some live updates. But yeah, what, what the hell have I got up in the morning? I'm like

the worst possible day for that to happen. It was awful. It was awful. So one, one other team I like actually, no, give me another winner. I'll wait to tell you who I like until I hear from the expert Pete Prisco I Thought New England even though they had to overspend for a lot of guys They had to fill spots and they had a good they did a nice job I mean when you go get built in Williams to me that's big for them because he's a game disruptor He can get you put him in there

Then you add Spillane and people say they overpaid for Spillane, but he's a good football player Landry they know is a pass rusher you get Carl Carlton Davis, you know, to team with Christian Gonzalez gives them a nice one, two combination. So I think the Patriots actually did a nice job. Having said that they still need a left tackle. They still need a big play wide receiver, but they have an early pick in the draft that they can address that. Yeah. Yeah. They, they did a nice job with, with beefing up that defense, especially in also like a Harold Landry played for variable, like trying to get the culture left tackle question. The chiefs, I mean that was, that one was a little bit of a head scratcher. They got a Jalen Moore,

who was a backup in San Francisco. Now obviously he's Trent Williams backup, so it's hard to break through. But am I wrong to say that the Niners have not had like the best offensive line they've had a lot of injuries and he never broke through even like switching positions. Is that going to be the fix for Patrick Mahomes? Well, I think he played okay when he went in. He did a nice job last year when he went in and played for Trev Williams. And I think that's one of those things where you're paying for what's going up rather than what he is. So they're spec, they're speculating a little bit on it. They're going to move, you know, Sumatiyah to inside the left guard and now you're bigger and stronger on that offensive line. So it makes sense. You know, did you want to get crazy? They were going

to go get in a Ronnie Stanley thing until he resigned in Baltimore. So did you want to go spend a bunch of money on some of those other left? I mean, look what Tennessee did. They paid Dan Moore a ton of money and everybody in Pittsburgh, one of that guy benched over the years. Now he was better last year and he is only 26 and it allows them to move late them to right tackle, which is where he should play. But that's a lot of money for Dan Moore. It does it also not feel like, uh, and this could be speculating here, but doesn't it feel like it's trending towards the Titans are going to take Cam Ward now? I mean, it feels like they need something and Cam Ward, I think Shadour Sanders has some question marks. He feels like he's dropping in the mock drafts,

but Cam Ward at one, which will leave the Giants in a very tough situation. The Browns in a tough situation where they're just, I don't think they have a plan. Their plan would be to look at next year's draft when there's actually a lot of really good quarterbacks in the draft. And that's a problem. And look, I've talked to a lot of guys in the league the last couple of weeks. They're not all convinced that Cam Ward's the end all be all either. I mean, somebody told me, look, he's got to throw a motion from the side. We're going to draft him number one overall. And there's a lot to like about Cam Ward. There's also a lot to not like. They turns, you know, big plays when he should stay in the pocket in the bad plays. A lot of those guys do.

Shudor Sanders does as well. So will the Titans take one, one overall? I'm not sure they will, to be honest with you. Okay. Um, you know, Abdul Carter is a heck of a pass rusher and those guys are hard to find as well. And I think you might be in that situation where you say, you know what, we'll bring a veteran in. Let us, you know, guys, I take enough grief from saying it on your show about Levus that it didn't quite work out for him, but he's still there. So I'm not sure they're going to take a quarterback at one. We're Will Levus guy.

I like Will Levus. I think that the Titans and the giants,, they they have to get a different quarterback though If you don't get a different quarterback You're pretty much saying like I'm okay with being fired because I feel like This is the last chance that table has at least for the Giants if you don't win some games this year You're gone. You're almost gone last year So the one we know we know a lot about how coaches like to save their jobs and the easiest way to save your job As a head coach is to get a rookie quarterback. Maybe you don't start him right away. Maybe you put him in after

four or five weeks. He shows some promise towards the end of the season. Then you make your case and you're like, well, you can't change coaches. Now we got something good working here. We needed some consistency. That's like keeping your job one-on-one. So I feel like the giants have to do something about quarterback. Well, the giants probably are in a little different situation because they're both going to get fired if they don't win in Tennessee. You know, the new GM isn't getting fired after one year if they don't win. So it's not necessarily, you know, Callahan's decision to make and the, if, whether they bring one in. So if you're the GM of the Tennessee Titans and you look at next year's class and you say, you know what, if we're not that good this year, go back in and get the real guy we want next year, then why would you force it? But the Giants, you're probably making a good point because they're both getting fired if they don't win. So they're probably in a much different situation than what they are in Tennessee.

What about the Pittsburgh Steelers? Are we under the assumption that Aaron Rodgers is going to be the quarterback in Pittsburgh next year? the assumption that Aaron Rodgers is going to be the quarterback in Pittsburgh next year? Well, I think it almost has to be. If it's not Pittsburgh, where is it? The Giants? I mean, and it doesn't sound like he wants to do that. So it has to be Pittsburgh. And here's the thing about Aaron Rodgers at the end of last year. Aaron Rodgers finished with 28 touchdown passes last year. That's more than Mahomes. It's more than Herbert. It's more than a bunch of guys. And he actually played well in the last five or six games of the season when he looked healthy. You know, he talked the year before about I'm coming back at the end of the year with my, he didn't look healthy at all last year for the first seven, eight games. He wasn't the

same guy. He wasn't moving around. His motion was the same. And that's a big part of who he is. But at the end of the year, he started looking like Aaron Rodgers. So I think if Pittsburgh were smart, they find a way to make that work. Yeah. I would agree. Also, he should take George Pickens on an ayahuasca trip. I feel like that could fix everything with George Pickens. And maybe Metcalf with him too. Yeah.

Because you know, those both, both those guys are going to be, you know, give me the ball, give me the ball. I need the ball. I need the ball. Yeah. You know, for all the talk about Mike Tomlin, Mike Tomlin's a great coach, but why can't he get that guy in line? I don't understand that. He kind of likes it. You know, it's almost it. What's that? I think he kind of likes having a crazy guy on the team. I think he gets off on it.

You might be right. But these coaches, they all talk about, well, what's wrong? Like Mike McDaniel at the end of the year came to the podium and said, I keep finding them and finding them. And they're still late. That's on you. Yeah. That's on the coach. Yeah. I mean, these guys got to, you can't allow that to happen. I wouldn't, it it's just like I wouldn't allow it to happen if I were in who who's uh, what team or move is a head? Scratcher to you where you're like, I don't know what I don't know what their plan is here I don't know what their path is. It just kind of making moves to make moves Well, the Aaron bank signing in Green Bay is a little head scratcher to me because of the way they structured the contract. But more than that, he wasn't very good last year. You talked about more. More was better than Banks last year, and some people think Banks was the worst offensive lineman on the line.

And here he is getting a nice contract because they're going to move Elton Jenkins to center. And I don't know if that's a good move by the Packers. I think it makes them bigger. Again, we go back to that whole theory about getting bigger and stronger, but does it make you better? That one kind of was a little bit of a head scratcher for me. Okay. And then what other, any other teams that you're like, Hey, why didn't, why weren't they more active?

Or you thought they were going to do something and then they just weren't able to capitalize on the first day of free agency. Well, I thought, you know, Atlanta might look into the pass rusher market a little more, and they didn't. That one surprised me a little bit, because I like the makeup of the offense. I think Pennix is going to be really good.

But defensively, they need to get a pass rusher. And I think that surprised me a little bit, because there were some guys on the market that they could indeed go get. And now they don't even have Grady Jarrett to push the pocket on the inside. So I think pass rush could ultimately be their biggest problem next year.

Yeah. Do you think before the end, let's just say by the draft, by the draft, do you think Kirk Cousins is still a Falcon? There's some bitterness there now. I mean, you know, you, you look at what, what happened with him at the end of the season, when he kind of threw him under the bus by saying he was injured and he played injured, he was on the report. From what I hear, they weren't real

thrilled with that. And now they can keep him for $10 million and keep him as a backup and make him unhappy. And so, yeah, I do think he's still on their roster. I wouldn't do it. Michael Penex is my quarterback. I don't want Kirk Cousins behind him at all. I don't think that's a good situation. Unhappy Kirk Cousins wants to play. I don't think he's going to be great about it. People say, oh, he'll be wonderful in a lot. No, you're not. You want to play.

You're not going to be the same guy you were when you were playing. So I think they need to let them go. Yeah. What about, what about the Niners? The Niners lost everybody. This feels like it's the start. It might be the start of rebuild or it might just be the reality of knowing that you have to pay Brock Purdy. And so you have to start making some moves for the future. But really, when you look at it, Devo Samuel wasn't close

to being what he was. I mean, he got, he was 20 pounds heavier last year. He looked like it. He was slow. What is he? Is he a receiver? Is he, you know, if he gets in shape, it's a different story, but he wasn't the same guy last year. year and and you look at some of the other guys They lost you know losing Ward is big. I think that's important to them sure the corner ward He didn't play as well last year he missed time, but he had a lot of stuff going on off the field I think that hurts them, but 49ers still have stars Let's not forget you know when Trent Williams comes back star tackle, you have kiddle. Yeah, it's a star. You go to the defensive side of the ball. You got Bosa. Yeah. You got Fred Warner. There's still stars on that team. And stars usually show up. They just got to stay healthy. Yeah. You look, they lost you check though.

Come on. It's donated down. You give to the fullback. You hate that. Come on. What the hell is that? Where's your boy? Russell Wilson going speaking of guys you hate Hate I don't I think my hate it's not hate. It's a reality I was right about him all along and nobody ever what never ever believed me He looked the moon if it's take away the moon ball on the sideline. What does he do? He never throws in the middle of the field He might be the guy by the way when the old chairs are taken He doesn't have one and and so I don't know if he's going to be a starting quarterback anymore.

Oh wow. What about the Giants? Do you get that desperate if you're the Giants? I think you have to. I mean who are you going to play if you don't, let's say Cam Ward goes 1-1 to the Titans and you said that might not happen. What about the Giants going to get Cam Ward though? What?

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. All right. So what if the Giants, so let's say they get the Giants giants get came what are you going to, are you going to start them week one? Yes. Okay. And by the way, in listening and watching some interviews and talking to people about cam ward, he's got a little bit of the Jayden Daniels cockiness from a year ago that I love. I think, you know, there's something about that. And that and so you kind of listen to these quarterbacks You kind of get a read on them, which is kind of why I'm worried a little bit about JJ McCarthy

You know there's a lot of I don't know if he's ready to take over as a starting quarterback necessarily It'll be interesting to see if the Vikings can make that work Yeah, I mean Kim Ward story is incredible his rise is I mean he's got that dog in him. Um, all right, Pete, we got a really important, uh, thing we want to do here. This is really the reason you're on. Um, our producer, Max diehard Philadelphia Eagles fan. He is very upset at you because, uh, you have ranked quarterbacks every which way in the off season. ranked quarterbacks every which way in the off season. And it's somehow Jalen hurts is always ranked behind a bunch of guys who have not done anything close to what Jalen hurts done. So I told Max to prepare. Max is prepared. He said he's not going to art. What was the exact quote you said? You're I'm not going to speak articulately. Yeah. Articulately, which is I was like, all right, we're off to a good start. Uh, so Max, go ahead So max go ahead you have the floor with Pete tell them what you think well

This is this isn't the first time you've had this debate with a Philly person I already saw that you went on 97 5 and the Philly Sports Talk radio and did the same thing It's about that that video which I basically just want you to admit that it was clickbait because there's there's guys on that list Who you just can't make that debate for. Explain the list Max. The list that he did. It was the question. It was a social video and the question was who is the quarterback that you would rather have over the next five years. And it was Jalen Hurts compared to a bunch of different quarterbacks. Some of them I don't even, I like, I can understand that you can make an argument for. Jaden Daniels, fine. Justin Herbert, disagree, but I can, I don't know film, whatever. I understand there's still people that like

Justin Herbert. I'm not gonna argue argue Justin Herbert. You argue with me about Justin Herbert. I said people in Los Angeles would take him. Yeah, but you're not a film guy. You don't know film either. Okay, alright, so yeah, so you go, alright, so then where did it get, where's your problem? CJ Stroud, Young, whatever. So yeah, so you're gonna, alright, so then where did it get, where did you have problems? CJ Stroud, Young, whatever. Trevor Lawrence, I respect you dying on a take. It's a bad take, but you've been to the Trevor Lawrence guys since day one, so you have to go there.

Over the next five years, the fact that there's two quarterbacks that you just can't make this debate for. Over the next five years, what makes you think that Dak Prescott and Baker Mayfield are both better options at quarterback than Jalen Hurts? Dak Prescott is 31 years old, Baker Mayfield is 30 years old, and they have shown nothing in the NFL for the first eight years of their career. What does Jalen Hurts need to show more of rather than those two guys? It's just a clickbait video that you had to do if you're going to include Dak Prescott and Baker Mayfield over Jalen Hurts. You know what I said didn't Nick Sirianni call you out

Yeah He was like yeah And you know what Nick Sirianni called you out rightfully so because you probably wanted him fired just like every other Eagles fan But more than that every other Eagles fan probably bitched and moaned about Jalen Hurts other Eagles fan. But more than that, every other Eagles fan probably bitched and moaned about Jalen Hurts over the course of the entire season. And then he wins the Super Bowl and all of a sudden he's become the greatest quarterback in the history of the National Football League. He's a good quarterback. Would I take Baker Mayfield over him for the next five years? Yeah. And by the way, you say, what did Baker Mayfield do? When Baker Mayfield was in Cleveland, he was really good.

Then he got hurt. He won a single wild card game. He won one playoff game with a very good offensive line and a very good run game which you like to diminish Jalen Hurts for. There was a number three run game and the number one offensive line in the lead. That's what Baker Mayfield has done. Max prepared. Max by the, I had the same argument with an Eagle span in my building and I, you know what I went to because you guys always go, he won a super bowl. He outplayed Patrick Mahomes. He won a super bowl. He outplayed. So winning a super bowl. Yes, it's a team thing. It's not a quarterback thing. We know that, right? We knew that, right? All of a sudden it is now. Hold on, Pete. I'm going to jump in on Max's side. He's outplayed Patrick Holmes in two super bowls and he didn't win

the one. Yeah. Now you know what I went to? I went to the heart of the, of the Philly fan. He was trying to say that he's better because the, you know, cause he wins his games. So Allen Iverson, did he ever win anything? He went farther than Dak Prescott and Baker Mayfield. Did he ever win anything, Max? Did he ever win anything? He won more than Dak Prescott and Baker Mayfield. The point being, he's one of the great players of all time, but he didn't win anything.

So you can't take winning something and just say, oh, Jalen Hurts is a great quarterback because he won. The offense is perfect. If you rank the position group on offense, go through the Eagles, rank them one through four, offensive line, pass catchers, running back, and quarterback.

Where does he rank? Where does he rank within that list? Yeah, it's a good thought experiment. Who do you have? I personally have the offensive line number one. Yeah, so he's fourth. They all compliment each other. But he's saying he's fourth.

He's fourth. He's fourth. He's compliment each other. But he's saying he's fourth. He's fourth. He's fourth. He's the fourth in the group. But like they make each other better. He's fourth. Somebody has to be fourth. He's fourth. You would agree with that?

I don't know that I would. Yeah, no, he's got you. He's got you. Yeah, he would. I rest my case. But what is that? What is that case? That the Eagles have a good football team?

I know the 97.5 guys did this to you already, you picked them to lose every game in the playoffs, so you didn't think that they were that good? I didn't pick them to lose every game. Okay, you picked them over the Rams. You picked the Packers over them, you picked the Commanders over them, you picked the Chiefs over them. So you didn't think that they

were that good? Yes, I was wrong about that. I was incorrect. And I will sit there and I will say I was incorrect at how good they were. And they're really good. But when has it, we've gotten to a point in sports where playing well in big games doesn't matter. No, it matters.

Dak Prescott does not play well in big games. Dak Prescott puts up numbers against the Giants where he scored, gets 400 yards and five touchdowns. And everyone's like Oh look at Dak Prescott's numbers for this year He's one of the best quarterbacks in the league because he beats the shit out of shitty teams And then when he comes down to it when he needs to show up, he never does he never does He led the NFL touchdown pass

He put up numbers against shitty teams and absolute blowouts. That's what Dak Prescott does. I would rather a quarterback who wins football games, carries the game. Once they're winning, they run the football, run the clock out, doesn't put up garbage time numbers. And then when it comes down to it and times that matter, he shows up. Jalen Hurts does that, Dak Prescott does not. Dak Prescott's not the fourth if you went position group one by four on his team. Oh, so now the Cowboys have a bad roster?

Last year we were talking about how their offensive line was the best offensive line of all time. And you know what they did? He went down 27-0 to the Packers. Giving up a pick six going in. I'm not gonna call Zaylin Hurd the weak link. I'm not gonna call him a weak link in the offense, but if number four is the weak link,

then he's the weak link of the offense. But Pete, you didn't answer his question. When did we as sports come to the point where winning doesn't matter? That's not what I'm saying. Winning, of course, winning is the only fit. Well, beside money, but winning's the second most important thing. And so yeah, it matters. And look, Jalen Hurts, a great, the big moments.

Nobody's taking that away from him. Well, you are. He was fantastic. No, I'm not. I never did. And by the way, quarterbacks there's five elite quarterbacks, including Jayden Daniels, by the way, there's five right now. Then the rest of them are kind of lumped from six to 13 or 14. They're all kind of in together. That's the difference. That's what the league is right now. And Jaylen Hurts is in six to 15.

It's just your preference. You see, here's where I agree with Max. I hate that you're making me agree with Max. Putting Dak Prescott on there feels that feels a little over the top. Of all the ones you could pick that one apart but the rest of them I would look I would take Herbert over them for the next five years. I would take who else? Trevor Lawrence? Yep. Trevor Lawrence? It was. I would take Trevor Lawrence. That's crazy. house. So did you, did you, did you, did you, did you, did you, did you, did you, did you, did you, did you, did you, did you, did you, did you, did you, did you, did you, did you, did you, did you, did you, did you, did you, did you, did you, did you, did you, did you, did you, did you, did you, did you, did you, did you, did you, did you, did you, did you, did you, did you, did you, did you, did you, did you, did you, did you, did you, did you,

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healthy. He's been hurt. Jalen hurts was good two years ago. Yeah, Jalen hurts hasn't had to learn a bunch of different offenses though has he backs? No, no, he's actually had the same regime, offensive coordinator and play caller every year of his career. No, he has no that's not I get it. The bottom line is with that offensive line, it makes it so much easier.

What did you say, Gwenn Barclay averaged 4.2 before he was touched last year? Dak Prescott's never had a good offensive line? Trevor Lawrence has never had a good offensive line. But you're using arguments for other people and not for others. He's willing to concede the Dak point. The Dak point has been conceded. Well, the Trevor Lawrence thing I don't even care about because I respect that he's had this Trevor Lawrence take forever and you die with everyone knows that if you have a strong take you die with it so really now

we're just arguing about Baker Mayfield because he's already giving you DAC so now we're on Baker yeah and I think he's got a better case for Baker how Baker's pretty good Baker's but he's played well. What has he done? He's won a lot of football games. He's also played well for the Browns. Yes. Yeah. He had a great offense line. Guess what? Benched in Carolina. It's Carolina. What didn't Baker didn't Baker beat the Eagles? Yes. And an absolute dumpster fire of a year in Philly. Baker came in and beat the Eagles and then lost in the next round. Congrats.

Well, I mean, I mean, look, he, look, Baker Mayfield, it's close. They're the same, they're all, like I said, they're in the same grouping, but I would think Baker- What did Baker Mayfield do this year? He played the commanders. He had a chance to ice the game and he fumbled in his own territory to lose the game.

Jalen Hurts went out and won football games. Baker Mayfield lost. We're looking at the most recent situation. They played the same team. Baker Mayfield put up 20 points. Jalen Hurts put up 52. 52 points. A lot of fumbles. Look, in a lot of those games, Jalen Hurts threw for under 200 yards, didn't he? Baker Mayfield threw for 180 200 yards, didn't he? Baker Mayfield threw for 180 yards in that game when he needed to throw the ball to win. Jalen Hurst didn't need to throw the ball to win in those games that he didn't throw

for 200 yards. Right. Cause he's the fourth option on the office. This is Italian on Italian crime. I love it. This is a supreme and debate. Yeah. Two, two Italian just going toe to toe. Does he still want Nick Sirianni fire? That's what I want to

know. He does not Nick Sirianni. My guy never said a bad word about it. Yes. Yes he did. Cause you're an Eagles fan. And I, by the way, I lived outside of Philly when I was a kid. I know how he, my first E my first football game was at Franklin field. I saw the old Eagles play way back in the day So I know how passionate Eagle fans are I love them. They're great. They're nasty. They're vile. They're disgusting They're everything you want about an NFL fan. What we did yourself there Franklin field Did you watch that game in black and white? You know is Joe Green's rookie year by the way

He was with the Steelers and he actually got into it and threw a helmet across the field that day. I was a little kid, but I remember it. I love it. Well, I think that was a great conversation between you and Max. I respect the disagreement. I think you guys both handled yourselves well. I got Italian. I got Italian. Yeah, yeah. It's fine. Don't apologize for being Italian. I'm Italian. Look, I mean, I got it. I can give it to. I told Sirianni when I saw him at the combine, I said, for that little period at the end of the year I was the most one of the most hated people in Philadelphia that people were they were coming at me nasty

And he said now you know how I feel yeah We got another Italian in the booth memes, so I'm just curious He's not gonna get as angry as max because he's a pretty chill guy But do you like the Justin field signing to the New York jets or are you racist? No, I like it. You have to do something. You have to do something. Yeah. I mean, otherwise you're the giants right now, trying to panic, you know, you had to do something. I liked, I think Justin Fields has talent. I think they can, if they can fix that, build that offense around them,

get them creative. Yeah. I think you can make that work for a couple of years. Scott Turner. Yeah. Little work is magic. Is there one sign that you have that's like underrated one that only you love that you look out there too, after I hear yours, Pete. I think the bills did a nice job by adding Palmer to the offense. They needed to get somebody could go down the field. And I think Michael Hoyt's a good football player from the Rams I think the Bills quietly had two good signings and they kept their own and they made the quarterback happy

They've had a good offseason. All right, here's mine and this could be a crazy take I Think Zach Wilson might be okay because two is gonna get hurt at some point cuz he always does That offense like you don't have to think a lot. I, I don't hate, I don't hate that. They need to do something where you get someone behind to a, that is not just like a total journeyman that, that, you know, you can't tread water with. I wouldn't be shocked if we see Zach Wilson play in Miami next year. And I think he's going to play. Okay. Everybody likes the story of the comeback quarterback, right?

Everybody, Baker, everybody points to Baker. Baker did it. Well, Baker was good early in his career. Zach Wilson's never been good. Okay. I don't, I don't see that one. All right. It's a bold take.

It's a bold take. It is a bold take. I'm just saying, I'm not saying he's going to light the world on fire. I'm saying like say two of Mrs. Five games. I think Zach Wilson go three and two. I will say this. He'd be better off than what they did last year trying to replace to it. They weren't prepared. They were not prepared for that at all. And that again, it goes back to the fault of the coach. Why

weren't you better prepared for that to have somebody in there ready to go? So yeah, I'll give you that. It's a better preparation this time around. All right. I got one more name that maybe the giants could look at if they get desperate. If they're not able to do something quarterback position, Marcus Mariota. No. No. Come on. Okay. It's just a no.

Marcus Mariota. What's he only like 31? He's young. I mean, if you're playing Marcus Mariota, you might as well just get your resume ready because you're gone. Come on, give me a break. That is a work in. If they get desperate, the other, the move that I like that's a little bit under the radar, the Rams getting Puna Ford. Good player up the field attacks.

I think that is actually a really good signing for them. The Rams know what they're doing. I will say this, the Rams need to get faster. You know, everybody raved about the Devontae Adams signing. He's going to be 33 in December. And you look at their offense, what do you, what, they have no speed on that offense. There's none. Nobody scares you. They brought two, two at well back because he's, you know, he's the only speed they have, but everybody plays them in a phone booth. The running backs not fast. The wide receivers aren't fast. They're good players. They're

not fast. They got to get fast. But I feel like you pass over the Puna Ford thing too quickly. He just has to switch locker rooms. Yeah. So it's great. So the Rams need a great side. They've got their, they can get after the passer already. They got some good players on the outside. The Rams are going to be good. The Rams are going to be good on defense because their front seven is going to be and Puna for how did the chargers let a guy like Puna get away? Just go to the other locker room. He just walked down the hallway. Yeah. Well, they're going to, if Aaron Rogers signed with the giants, wouldn't that be the same thing? Yeah, true. That's true. Good point. All right, Pete. I got one last question. Row back question.

R H O B A C K dot com promo code take 20% off your first purchase. Q zips, polos, hoodies, joggers, shorts, row back.com promo code take, uh, not free agency related. How about draft related? Because you were in Indy. Is there a guy that you have your eyes on? Maybe a quarterback cause you watched the tape that, uh, you know, everyone's talking about cam warden, chador Sanders. What's, what's, what's Pete Prisco's quarterback that he's like, Hey, check this guy out. He's going to be good. I don't really love the quarterback class, but a guy I would take in the third or fourth round would be McCord from Syracuse. Yeah. I think he's got, he stands in the pocket.

He takes shots. He's tough physically. No, not a great athlete. Makes all the throws. I think, and he played really well at Syracuse last year. I think McCord has a chance to be, if you draft him a third or fourth round, he can end up being, you you know a starter down the road. I like that. I like that. All right, Pete. You're the best Thank you so much. Thank you for you know what I gotta do before I get out of here Yeah, the fourth the fourth option of that on that Eagles offense is who? Offensive line white running back wide receivers and then the quarterback. Yeah, it is he got you on that I got it. I have him slightly above Dallas Goddard, if that makes any difference to you.

That's good. That's really good. He got you on that, Max. That was tough. All his argument was just that the Eagles are good. Yeah. Yeah. Which is impossible for you to argue again. Yeah, you can't say. Yeah, he got you. He checkmated you. Really good. And I was an idiot who picked against them all year. Yeah. All right, Pete. Thank you so much, man. We love you. All right, guys. Pete Prisco was brought to you by Locked, the film. Buckle up for a little taste of hell from producer Sam Raimi, who did The Evil Dead, Drag Me to Hell. Comes this pulse pounding horror thriller. Imagine breaking into what you think is a luxury jackpot only

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But you know what I'm saying? Like if your kitchen's Brown's theme, you always have some sort of like greasy roast that's cooking in the oven. Never, you always have gravy on the stove. There's always a bowl of dog food even though you don't have a dog. Yeah, just in case. Settle, this is an easy one though.

Say no Brown's kitchen, every toilet's Brown. Brown toilets should be more popular. You hide the stains easy He would he like you should like listen, honey. We'll do every toilet in this house Browns I think Browns themed laundry room could play too. Yeah Garage garage seems like a brown zone. Yeah, that feels like that feels like a natural setting for for the Browns, okay? like that feels like a natural setting for for the Browns. Okay. Next. Cas. No, Cas. Cas. Oh, you want to talk about the cabs? Let's respect that. She said no.

I really fucking good. She said go Browns. Nobody. You don't. You don't respect how good I'm trying to. You don't respect how good the calves are. No, I do. No, you overlooked them the other day. You're like, they never won a championship. We want a championship. That's no, no, no, no, no. No, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, day you're like they never won a championship we want a championship that's what I said that you have to there they haven't won a championship to respect the champions like the Cavs are the number one seed they're going to be the number one seed they've had the best regular season they've won 14 in a row yeah so but again your respect for the Cavs you're saying I respect the calves No, you don't know we talk about the we will just say we we're we're the NBA champions We are that's your analysis of the calves. No, that's a fact. So give me some analysis of the calves calves are good team

hot shooting team But I am not scared of them in the playoffs I mean the cat it's not out of the question Cavs could get to 70 wins the way they're playing. They're 54 and 10. They finished the season 16 and two at 70 wins. Diabolical big cat move to which super nice guy. But uh, but having the Cavs come in. Oh yeah. I wasn't here that night. I know Max Truss wanted to stop by. He's he's gonna come on the show this summer when he's back But he was the schedule didn't work out. They landed at like 6 p.m. He had a dinner at like 8 he wanted to come by I had to go home to do dinner with my kids

And I was like hey Hank. Can you show Max Truss around? He's great. Yeah. No, they were good guys It made me like them and I don't I don't want you don't want to like them Yeah, who else was there Sam Merrill and then one of their equipment managers. Yeah We will get them on though Whatever, but the thing is I don't think I've heard you say any of their players by name except for Max Bruce Which you were just kind of forcing the saying Donny Donovan Mitchell. I you're not afraid you have not said Donovan Mitchell I think ever on the the history of part of my take I don't think you've said those those words Donovan Mitchell okay there it is we just broke ground there if they can make it to the

Eastern armist finals will be exciting okay also get too hot too early what that's mean that's mean Hank no there I'm just saying like it's gonna be tough to keep this keep this streak up. You gave a little look at Big Cat when you said too hot too early. Nope. Yeah, he did. He did. There was a look.

It's fine. Was the camera on Max, or on Hank when he said that? It's fine. Troll Hank has been unleashed. We'll break the film down. Fader Hank has been unleashed. It's not trolling if you just are honest. Yeah.

No, I told you I had no problem with it. We're gonna be troll. Well you are a troll. Well that was a troll move that you are not being honest That was you throwing a little jab in under the radar and you are my radar is perfect. So are you? Yeah, I know. I know we're all trolls. That's why we get along Just living under a bridge together you need to accept the fact that you're a troll. Yeah, I do I've and I'm upfront and honest about it. Are you? Fading, yeah. I've been saying I'm fading you once you lose for two weeks. Yeah, you have. I knew it was coming. Hey, boys, I have a really great boyfriend,

top tier kind of guy, and I have very few notes slash complaints. However, there is one thing. He's addicted to the cry laughing emoji. It's non-stop. Every other text, there it is just taunting me. I'm not that funny at least not right face emoji I've been the tax funny am I just being a happiness hater shout out to average height Kings Shout out average height Kings all right I think there's like a scale in terms of your response to something funny That applies to how funny you actually think that it is so if if it's if it's ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha that means you really think it's funny. Yeah that's funnier than crying. Two ha's is not funny. No two ha's. Three ha's is

very funny. Ha ha period means kill yourself. Yeah and ha means dude that's fuck you. Yeah. Ha. But crying laughing emoji is better than haha Yes, but crying laughing emoji You can't use you got to know your text relationships to like if the other person is using it You can use it, but you can't be the only one using the crying laughing emoji what I would say to him is Why not just have him my move is you know I add the like thumbs up or the heart. I don't do the haha Adding thing I do the exclamation point saying that's good Yeah, that's a good one where someone says something funny or interesting just do the exclamation But if you do the crying laughing emoji every day that feels dismissive

Mm-hmm. It feels like you're just trying to move on unless you do like seven of them Then that's then you're literally crying laughing and almost dead and what about lol? I don't like lol lol is pretty much like go fuck yourself. No lol. I use lol tube It's more of like lol then next word next sentence like lol is more like breaking it breaking up being like hey I'm joking here. Oh, it's or like to break the tension of like oh Lol I'm late. Yeah, like yourself. I don't know something like that. Say something out land ish It's like the hot just like lol. Yeah, like it could have been used like lol after like one in 15 props What about lmao? I?

Use lmao. I'm a bad texter though. I'm probably the wrong person be answering this question. You're the worst texter I don't think you're bad texter. I like I think a bad texter. Ask any person who's ever worked on it. What? Why? What do you want? I'm a short texter and people say which is dramatic. It's it's definitely a dramatic thing. But it's it's tough. You know, I think girls are over texters and want more texting and people think that I'm like upset or being like an asshole because I just answer a question. Ah, like, okay. Yeah, you're too honest. You've been to the Dave Portnoy school. It's just like I it's texting to me means to an end. And it's like you have a question, here's

an answer. And then they're like, why are you mad? It's like, I'm not you ask the you are kind of mad. I said you are kind of mad. When you when you have to answer any question, you are a little mad. If I asked you any question, you're just a little bit mad no yeah, I know I appreciate somebody who texts like hang Yeah, no, because he's 50s, but do you agree me? I feel like when you ask Hank question He is a little mad at all times. He's usually mad that you're asking first time. I have resting anger face It's something I'm working on. I'm trying to I'm trying to find the light in life, but it's it's it's an issue It's a little bit an issue for a few years. There's my taxing. There's an underlying like 5% mad at any question No, yeah, you're you're you're a great texter

Thank you me and PFT are probably on one side of the boat and you're on the other house texting to me is it's a means to Yeah, it's a transaction. It's like, okay. I have a question. I got my answer good interaction I just have to when we're pushing the boat when we're pushing this this this show and we're trying to plan I have to I have to push us with some texting No, I know and I feel like you text like I have I text you probably the most and there's I'm like I feel like big cats also texting like four or five other people this like you're you're you're a text communicator over communicator Do you feel like? when you send the

Exclamation point or ha like are you hoping that that ends the conversation? Yeah. Oh, yeah, that's the best way to end it Yeah, yeah, just exclamation point and then just hope yeah, it's over comes through Yeah, because you don't want to keep it going like you you get in those situations where you keep going back and forth You're like this conversations ended like six texts ago You know who I have a lot of respect for is the lma oh oh oh oh oh oh guys on Twitter. Yeah, because they're they're just fucking with you. Yeah, they're like, that's like two middle fingers in your face. Yeah, if you put the lma Oh, on their

conversation over. Yes, they're clowning on you. Yeah. A quote getting a quote treat lma is feels bad. Yeah. Okay Let's do numbers, let's do numbers the boys are coming in I'm gonna go with three. Oh That was a tie that was such a tie that was a clean time impossible Meem so what do we want to do rock-paper-scissors shoot? I That was an impossibly tight tie. Oh memes, what do we want to do? Rock, paper, scissors, shoot? I don't know. We can rock, paper, scissors, shoot for it.

Do you want it? Do you want three memes? I want it. I also want three. Rock, paper, scissors, shoot? Alright. One time. Rock, paper, scissors, shoot. Rock, paper, scissors, shoot. Rock, paper, scissors, shoot. Ah! You got me me should have stuck with rock

Three all right also Justin Fields is not three in the graph in the graphic he was yeah he was That sounds racist memes. What would you have switched to? Whatever Puna Ford's number was what's Puna Ford's number? Does anybody anyone here a big Puna Ford fan I'm trying to find Justin Fields wearing number three. We got, Puna Ford's 95. 95, right, I'll go 95. We gotta avoid some, I'm concerned. About what?

That it's exactly five years ago was. Yeah. That's concerning. I didn't realize it was to the day. Yeah. Big Cat was hot in March. Yeah. Yeah.

To the day. We just gotta hide in a bunker hot in March. Yeah. Yeah We got yeah, we just got a hide in the bunker for two days. Yeah, I Probably just kill myself. They did that again to us. I Will go with 99 poke 54 37 17 was yours max one? 1 Jalen Hurts. Nice. Well, should it be 4 for being the 4th best? Nope.

58. Should we do another one? Yeah, let's do one more. 3. Let's do one more. Come on. What was the fourth number? 95. 95. I'll go... Meaves, gonna get it eight one day go 17 how mad will

you be if it's three right here very mad I'll be upset we need it everyone else stick with their numbers say it again real 17 1 I'm a Pune would be good guess on part of my take. 99 per 82 21 75 Love you guys. I'm gonna be a good boy So I'm gonna be a star, I'm gonna be a star I'm gonna be a star, I'm gonna be a star I'm gonna be a star, I'm gonna be a star I'm gonna be a star, I'm gonna be a star

I'm gonna be a star, I'm gonna be a star I'm gonna be a star, I'm gonna be a star I'm gonna be a star, I'm gonna be a star I'm gonna be a star, I'm gonna be a star I'm gonna be a star, I'm gonna be a good boy Thanks for watching!