Pardon My Take - Mike Breen, Mavs And Celtics In The Finals, Bears Hard Knocks + Hockey And Baseball Talk

Episode Date: May 31, 2024

The Mavs finished off the Timberwolves in Game 5 and we're set with a Finals matchup. KAT has to be the hardest guy to root for and Luka decided to finish the series in the first quarter (00:00:00- 00:14:50). We talk NBA Finals and Hank's prediction (00:14:50-00:35:44). Bears get Hard Knocks (00:35:44-00:44:40). Hockey and Baseball talk with some serious side tangents (00:44:40-01:05:56). Mike Breen joins the show to talk about his incredible career in the NBA, what type of shot elicits a Bang and a Double Bang, will he ever do a Triple Bang, an incredible Bill Walton story and more (01:05:56-02:02:16). We finish with Fyre Fest of the Week (02:02:16-02:23:56).You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/PardonMyTake

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It is. And we're ready to go. The NBA finals are set. We had a moment, so we obviously had a week with Memorial Day. We had a show on Tuesday. The Timberwolves won on Tuesday night, and then tonight they got eliminated. Credit to the Timberwolves for not getting swept. Anthony Edwards says he's never been swept in his career.

He did also say, I've only been in three playoff series, so, or four playoff series, so he was kinda talking like a 20 year vet in the NBA. Yeah. But never been swept. Never been swept, that's important. It's important to keep a clean sheet on the sweeps. silver very happy that we at least got one more game a little closer It would have been weird if the series just ended on Tuesday night Then we had to wait a very long time for the NBA finals to start so still do we still do

So they'll do it could have been worse. They called him Scott Foster Everyone was like oh Scott Foster the extender He tried to give that game to the Mavericks on Tuesday tried his very best Yes, very damnedest, but yeah, I went five games Timberwolves fans Minnesota fans. I don't know if you're listening to this show my guess is you probably are I think Timberwolves fans are probably They're very happy with how this season went obviously not happy with this series But I'd say they're not happy right now But getting to a Western Conference final if you look at perspective in the Yanis terms there's

a good good season for you but good year they lost to a team that they couldn't beat him yeah that's true and also if you're a Timberwolves fan I God bless you because you are you have to root for Carl Anthony Townsend he must be so infuriating to root for it some stat patent some stat padding tonight. I'm just saying he, he is probably the hardest player to like fully delude yourself into getting behind in the evening. Rudy Gobert is pretty fire. But also they're on the same team, but I feel like you can be like, Oh Rudy,

we don't expect anything from him on offense. Which was a weird strategy when they were like, let's, let's run the offense through Rudy in the first quarter. I think he had like six or seven shots. They'll never see it coming. Yeah. But yeah, Carl Anthony times. And to his credit, he played really, really well in game four. He did. He had a great game for you. He could not be as bad as he's been in the past. And yeah, he had that blip. That was his legacy game. Yep. It was game four. And then it's just so,

it's so infuriating to see a guy who's that big be so passive. And also like cannot wipe a smile off his face. Yeah. I was saying this. I can't remember when I was saying this, because it feels like all these weeks have just blend together. But when they show going into break, and they do the bumps,

and it's like Luca staring at someone, Kyrie like crossover, aunt yelling in the crowd, and then they show Carl Anthony Towns. It always looks like he's been practicing whatever he's doing for 20 minutes in the mirror right before they came out. Yeah. This is my pumped up face. This is my three point dougie.

Yeah, he's kind of smiling, and you're like, God damn it, yeah, they were stat padding tonight. Also the Timberwolves, you lost the game the minute you went with those jerseys. Terrible jerseys. Terrible. You got the good classic one. Well, it's two things. Max, I saw your face. After I looked at him a little more. Max can't speak. So when I sat down next to him to watch the game, he's like, I was like, yeah, the jerseys. Yeah, jerseys are terrible. That's exactly how it happened. He couldn't get it out, but I knew, I was like, yeah, the jerseys. Yeah, jerseys are terrible That's exactly how it happened. He couldn't get it out But I knew I know his brain so well then when we flipped on the game

He just started making grunts. I was like max down boy. I know the jerseys are different. Those are okay They're not back against the wall jerseys. No, those are game two jerseys Yeah, bring those out game preferably game two on the road where those uniforms early a game two of the season Yes in October. That's a that's a in-season tournament jersey. Yes That's what you should be wearing that for and then they made their half-court logo bigger, which is stupid I like it when it's the only small logo in the league. Yeah, I like it It stands out because it's so small and they're falling into the trap that everybody else has been doing I think we've talked about on the show. The half court logos are getting bigger so that

the announcements can be like another logo three, another logo three. Uh, Hank, you want to just be, you want to, I was saying before we should maybe get some headphones for you for the Luca glazing so you can put them on so you don't have to hear it. No, bring it. It's gonna be one be one of your last couple. This game was over. Get them in. This game was over when Luka Doncic outscored the Timberwolves in the first quarter by himself. It's true. He could not miss.

He was hitting shots, and the net wasn't moving. He hit a stat hole. Our guy stat hole texted me. He said that he hit 165 feet worth of shots in the first quarter. That's so many feet. Yeah. So that's it ties Steph Curry for most feet on shots made in first. Wow. Off game here. Hang on record in history. Curry did it versus Boston in

2020. I mean, those are incredible. Those are the two 165 feet of shots. The last shot tank and a lot of feet. So many feet. You know how many schools that you know how many feet the court is 99. I think it's 94. That's a lot of feet. That's so many feet. You know how many feet the court is? 99. I think it's 94, right? Yeah. 94 feet.

I know ball. Yeah, that's like... What was that guess? 99 pugs. That's a court and a half worth of feet. It's pretty impressive. That's a pretty impressive stat. Also, are you okay with the glazing?

No, again, you're not going to have many left. I want you to get them in while you can. The Tuesday, Tuesday nights game, I know the Mavs lost and it was, I do like put a little, what are you gonna say? I'm just, I don't know how you're gonna glaze Luca from, from Tuesday, but. Yeah, I am. Don't worry. I'm gonna land the plane. Um, and I made fun of the, the- That's a pro, that's a pro glazer. That's a- What? No, I don't know. What? Go ahead. No, go ahead. That's a pro glazer. That's a What no, no, what go ahead. No, go ahead. You're not getting upset. Go ahead. Go ahead. Jay Glazer. Yeah I'm a pro glazer. Okay

I do give the Tim rolls a little bit of credit for not giving up because they gave up tonight But they didn't get swept. Yeah, and I made fun of the Anthony Edwards quote but I like I like I love Anthony Edwards and I like how he's wired and I actually think in a weird way he probably at halftime was in game five being like they still can't beat us down 30 or whatever. The Luca lobbed to Derek Jones was one of the coolest lobs I've ever seen. He threw an alley oop when Derek Jones was still past the three point line and it was like most, his lobs are just so precise. They lost the game, Hank. But you, do you know what lob I'm talking about? Yeah, that was a good lob.

And he had that kick out drive pass. Oh, the kick out drive pass, that's gonna go down as one of the best assists that will never show up. Yeah, scroll down Max. It was one of the best passes I've ever seen. Hit it off the back rim. He threw a lob that Derek Jones was behind the three point line when he, when it released his hands or yeah, when Luca threw the ball and it was just a

perfect, perfect pass. Luca's really good Max. Everybody know Hank, as you said, Max. He's a good player. They're a good team. He did have a really good player. He did have a heat check of a lob tonight though Yeah, he was feeling himself in the lobs a little bit and he threw one that went I think it went over the backboard Yeah, it's a great. Lob. It's a great lob. Good. All right, so that was my glazing of Luca. He is Really fucking good most feet and lob They had 20 feet worth of lobs Hanks acting all cocky right now. He was watching that game unease. I wanted a good game. I wanted to keep watching basketball. I don't want to wait another game.

He's like, this is pathetic what the T-Wolves are doing. It was! You're afraid of Luca though. I'm not. I knew we were playing the Mavs. There was no doubt in my mind we were playing the Mavs. Yeah, but you saw what Luca did in the first quarter. Back to fishing. That was an embarrassing, disgusting performance in a elimination game from the Timberwolves Yeah, no, I especially second half when they're stat padding I agree, but it was also the game was over because let's just unbiased

Luca out over but you agree that the game was over when Luca came out and said I'm going to beat the Timberwolves by Myself in the first quarter. Yeah, I mean the series was over when they went up 3o, right But that was when you go up 3o and then you lose game 4 and then you go back to the other guys gym And it's like okay if the T-Wolf's come out hot here We could have an interesting scenario Luca basically shut that all down by himself was like there's no I'm giving you no hope I'm giving you no chance. I'm gonna hit a hundred and sixty five feet of shots That's a lot of feet Hank. shots. That's a lot of feet, Hank. Just say it's a lot of feet.

It's a lot of feet. It's a lot of feet. Who the fuck tracks feet? Jerry. But it's a lot of feet. It's a lot of feet. If there was, I will say that there... I love the Hakes getting triggered by him.

Yeah, you have the opposite of a foot fetish. 165 feet is just, you're mad about that. The Celticsics almost did it last year and obviously it's never happened in the NBA But when it does happen in the NBA it will happen almost like it did last year and I thought potentially maybe this year Where it's gonna be the home team if the Timberwolves win tonight. They somehow win game six. They have home game seven Thanks for that's that's the he's very so that's the path in his game seven. That's the path. He's very selective in his opinions about feet because he does not like the feet stat but all he thinks about is Kyrie Irving's feet on Lucky's face. You can't count one foot and then not count the other. Do you not like feet? Is that why it didn't work

out with Tiff? I've never been a foot guy. I don't really understand the appeal. But 165 feet. That's a lot of a lot of feet. Uh Hank you bring up a good point that the the 3-0 Coming back. It's very very hard to never been done in the NBA the only Solace that I think Minnesota fans should have tonight Well one is that you have Anthony Edwards and I don't know what Carl Anthony towns like PFT said is Maddening to root for I don't I don't think there's a word to describe. We need to figure out, like we need to maybe invent a word

like the Germans would do to describe Karl Anthony Towns and how frustrating it is to watch him if you're a fan of his and to see how aloof he is in the biggest moments. Well, I also, Karl Anthony Towns is a self-proclaimed best big man shooter of all time. I feel like you have to have post moves, like really good post moves to be able to say that,

to claim that. You're just a tall shooter. Otherwise he's just kind of like a chubby KD. Right, you're a tall shooter. Yeah. That's it. But you're not a big man. There's a difference between being tall

and being a big man. Back someone down in the post. But the solace for the Timberwolves fans, because this was a very fun season, and it got a little crazy with the Anthony Edwards hype, which was not Anthony Edwards' fault, not Timberwolves fans' fault. Media, I took some blame for it as well. I fell in love with watching Anthony Edwards play

basketball. This actually, in a weird way, you didn't have a classic Minnesota loss. A classic Minnesota loss would have been winning game five and then losing game six in a buzzer beater or something. So like not like... Yeah. Because it wouldn't be classic Minnesota loss to get all the way to game seven. You can't get all the way there, but getting like a play away from being a game away.

I think if you get to game seven and you get blown out like you did tonight, that's a Minnesota loss. Yeah, but this was not a Minnesota loss. It was like, you know, you had the moment like, oh, we won one game. Who knows what's going to happen? And then it was just over.

It's just the better team won. Yeah, it was just over. Well, that's it. Anthony Edwards still doesn't know if they can beat him. Didn't get swept. Didn't get swept. Yeah, it was just over. Well, Anthony Edwards still doesn't know if they can beat him. Didn't get swept. Didn't get swept. Kyrie also is playing insane basketball right now. Kyrie's a great player. Derrick Lively is back, which is very important. I think he's their leader in plus minus. He's

very important to their team. Chris stops. Back. He posted it. I said, see you in the finals. All right. Love that. All right. So let's talk about the finals. Let's talk. I said, see you in the finals. All right. Love that. All right. So let's talk about the finals. Let's talk about it. Let's talk about the finals.

Can I glaze Lucky real quick? Yeah. Yes. Let me glaze Lucky. Please. All right. Kyrie Irving has lost his last 10 games against Lucky. And the Sage.

Remember he's Saged. He Saged it, yeah. But the Sage didn't take. Sage didn't take. Do you think he'll resage? I think he should resage. Oh, man. You think he's going to resage that? What will you do if he resages I mean staging is whatever spiritual I don't really have a problem with that but what would you do if he resages because that

might be the sage that takes no I mean that's it's I think you believe in that that's all for you like that this could be a mistake the only way to defeat sage is with crystals yep you gotta get either jerk off crystal. You gotta get some quick. We could resage right back Oh, yeah, get some sage for the gambling cave a few sages I will Hank are you going are you gonna be on on the wood at any point in this? Series I don't think so. Well, hey, I don't think Dave is inviting me but even going to the games a schedule does not line Up great for anything. So you couldn't even sage if you wanted to So well, hey, I don't think Dave's inviting me but even going to the games a schedule does not line up great

For anything so you couldn't even sage if you wanted to We'll see. I mean, we'll see I got a I got a the schedule sucks For me going being able to go to a game Everyone was wondering number one. Yeah, sure. I was curious like like how how that was gonna factor in and and that's the answer What about an awake? Oh, it's not good for that either until like game six Game and game three we're I guess Dave said it we're going to the Brady

We got invited by the Patriots to Brady's retirement ceremony. It's it's fucking in the middle of game four What or game three Because they try to do 612 for Brady I guess and weren't why wouldn't they do it in the middle of the day That's what I thought it was until today. It's at night Accordingly I was listening to Kirk and Dave on the unnamed show Kirk was like it's at night It's supposed to end at 930. Hmm. So I guess it in it's at Foxboro. So you're gonna be with the lighthouse. Yeah Oh, that's nice. Yeah, that's nice. Good consolation prize. Yeah, that's you Tom Brady bad sports town Don't bring it up on the jumbotron. You should move it. Yeah, I'm sure I don't know what they're I'm I'm curious what they're gonna

Do I thought it was just like a day's ceremony. Are you being a sweet? I don't know. If you're in a sweet, then you're fine. I don't know what Mr. Craft's got in store for us. You said a lot of bad things about the dynasty, Doug. Yeah. It'd be a shame if Mr. Craft got ahold of that before you were his personal guest.

What were you saying about him getting jerked off? Nothing. Oh. Do you think, you think Joe Mazzullo's Jiu-Jitsu instructor is just- nothing. Oh, do you think you think Joe Missoula is jujitsu instructor is just I said it not you Hank Hank loves Mr. Craft. What do you think? Well, I'm not gonna say it again.

All right, I'll say you think Joe Missoula and Giselle have the same jujitsu person? Oh, it's possible. It is possible. Oh It's possible it is possible What are you going? What is it? 612 what is it? It is Tom Brady's retirement ceremony and who invited induction into the Hall of Fame well not me personally He should invite you pretty for were invited yeah, you went to you went to prison for him I'd probably let's talk about the M8 finals

Did they drop those charges, by the way? Uh, in Florida? Yeah. No, no, for, no, that one, Hank. When Hank got arrested. Oh. Oh, yeah. Dropped those?

Yeah, six months. No bad behavior. Nice. Nice. Uh, Hank, how are you feeling? I'll say this right now. I have to look into this series some more. I have to crunch even say that for a month. Well, the series hasn't started through. I'm

going to look into some series, but I'll give you my gut knee jerk prediction, which I will not be held to because I'm going to give my final prediction when we have her so on next week. My gut knee jerk is Celtics and seven. I'm thinking Celtics and six. That's my gut knee jerk. I think it's going to be it's going to be a role player series. I think it's going to come down to you know, our defense will start obviously stop Kyrie and Luke as much as they can. They're going to make them you know, pass the ball and their guys have been hitting shots all playoffs if they can put it's going to be the same for us. It's going to be you know, I also think this weirdly we have a better we have a better,

we have a better role, we have better role players. The way Luca's been playing, the way Kyrie's been playing, I think this is weirdly like Jason Tatum and Jalen Brown, like they are going to step up to the challenge because this is the ultimate challenge of these two guys and Luca especially being anointed the number one guy. They know Kyrie. Jalen Brown has played Kyrie. He knows his game. He knows what he's got to do. They, you know, match up in practice for years. Wouldn't you say the same though?

Uh-oh. He didn't think about that. Yeah. Cause Jalen doesn't. Like sometimes it takes a while for people to realize he can't dribble left. Yeah. but it's Jalen neutralizing Kyrie is better for the Celtics than Kyrie neutralizing That's if that's if they know each other then the Celtics come out on top Yeah, I think the Celtics have a better like depth and and drew holiday is gonna be important in the series drew holiday in Porzingis That's the biggest difference. That's what makes going to be important in this series drew holiday and poor Zingas. That's the biggest difference. That's what makes me feel much better about this

series, even though I felt pretty good against the Warriors. But true holiday and poor Zingas just make you know, are going to be the reason we win the what's your knee jerk gut reaction. My gut reaction is Celtics in five. Love Oh, love it. I think so. I'm a bigger Celtics fan than Hank is, I guess. Yeah, he said because like I was thinking about our role players I actually think that they're I would say that Jalen over cancels out Kyrie Max just put up a stand. I disagree

What do you disagree with Max? What do you think? I think that this is gonna be a very close series it's going to come down to very tight games at the end and One team has two guys that have proven to be excellent closers against very good teams in this playoffs and the Celtics have looked a little iffy. I mean that doesn't sound like Max. We came back we were down in the fourth quarter in three games in the Eastern Conference Finals against them all. Against shit Pacers. They made it to the Eastern Conference Finals Max. Yeah playing against four teams who didn't have their best player!

You know what, Celtics in four. I mean, listen, the Mavericks, like, you can't debate that they had them. Like, did the Celtics close, you said they had better closers, did the Celtics close those games or not? Factor fiction. One of the Pacers just gave them the game. They literally just gave them the game. Okay, so it wasn't like if a closer comes in and makes three outs. No, yes! Factor fiction. What if the Pacers just gave them the game? They literally just gave them the game.

So if a closer comes in and makes three outs. Yes, but you can't watch those games and you watch the Mavericks and you see what Kyrie and Luca did and hit incredible shots against all odds to win those games. What about when the Celtics were down three and didn't have the ball with eight seconds left and won the fucking game? The Pacers just threw them the ball. Got it, got it. The Pacers just threw them the ball with eight seconds left and won the fucking game the Pacers talk about it Got it got nothing to do with Jalen Brown nothing to do with the Celtics Just the Pacers threw them the ball the Pacers lost that game, but if Jalen Brown misses the shot Yeah, no, it's a shot right correct. That's a good. That's a good shot I think the harder you work the luckier you get how about that and one team has lucky on their side

Yeah, I that's the fucking Boston Celtics. To me this is this is lucky legacy. It has a lucky legacy series. I said it Tuesday though. You can't you can't ding the Celtics for who they play when they've been they've lost two games. They're the best team in the NBA. What about the regular season Max? Does that matter? Did they just play tomato cans then too? You I mean I've heard you say they you don't care about the regular season. But with that said, Hank, you have to say like when someone says who's been more tested in these playoffs, the Mavericks have been more tested.

For sure. So it's, it's a fascinating series because it basically is like, if you, if you take who the Celtics have played and you're like, will they be up for the Mavericks test? There's a chance like, oh shit, they're nowhere near the Mavericks. I don't think that's what's gonna happen, but it's like the stakes for your happiness are so wild right now. Yeah.

Because you could either win a championship or you could get absolutely clowned on the internet. And that's why Max, something you'll never understand, like you just have to go all in. I'm not gonna be scared, I'm not gonna be worried about it. What are you talking about? I disagree with that. Max goes all the time. He goes every time. I will disagree with that. He goes in all this. He goes to all in like he needs to step back. Like bro, take a step back. And he was, he was, he

looked ridiculous. I'm looking at game six right now. Game six, NBA finals, if necessary, Thursday, June 20th in Dallas, Texas. Hank, what do you think? That could be a closeout game. Yeah, well, that's, they're all show recording days. Like that's where it's like, I don't wanna, you know. You don't wanna rob the people. Ask for a vacation. I appreciate that.

No, I'm not talking about vacation. I didn't say anything about vacation. Where's game seven, when's game seven? I don't have that in front of me right now, but I do know that game six I think game seven game five is Monday and on day that 23rd Sunday the tickets are fucking insane We'll be at the beer Olympics you hell. Yes. I'm so pumped you that one you could go to Dallas and do the show Well, you're oh that one you were gonna go to game seven. Well I mean beer when you know I'm talking about game six yeah Okay down under certain circumstances

There's a certain person that's not gonna like hearing this Well, I have a lot of confidence in your trivia team Oh my god Oh That's That would be so fucked Uh, you guys are about to go on a magical run Yeah Yeah, uh game seven. Yeah, we're also knocking so vegas. Uh, you won't go to vegas with us for beer olympics

I'll come monday. You're backing out backing out sounds like we need you for the show You just said I could go to Dallas, but I can't go to Boston I think there's more content to be had in Dallas. That's true Also, we you could go that would be hilarious if you won the NBA finals while we were in Vegas And you could just do like a one-man Like party go to Hawkins on. That one piece is like, they'd probably fly out, not actually. Yeah, ooh, they definitely would.

They'd probably be there. We're not getting ahead of ourselves. We're focused on game one. We're focused on game one. You think they're gonna fly directly to Vegas. That night they might. Maybe, they do like, they usually go after the parades,

you have to stay in Vegas. You can stay in Vegas Are we getting ahead of ourselves? No, I don't think so. I think this is appropriate. It's cocky Hank I don't give a fuck. Yeah, if the cell if the Celtics What you just said now that the happiness thing is true of the Celtics lose this championship like it's gonna be embarrassing Just retire from the internet for the summer Probably until the next basketball season. Wait, so you'll just go silent and when your team loses. Oh Gotcha Probably until the next basketball season. Wait, so you'll just go silent when your team loses. Oh Gotcha Talking about the podcast max which is my job. Not just silent max. He's also talking about he's going deaf, too

Yeah, he's not gonna hear or say they're blind. He can't read. Yeah, they're talking about actually speaking words You're talking about social media, which is not part of my job. Yes. It is not my personal Yes, which is not part of my job. Yes, it is. Not my personal. Yes, it is. 100% is. Is it? 100%. He's just screaming back here, they track that. They track that.

Yeah, they track that. When you ask us to retweet the dunkumentary. I didn't ask that. You will if you dunk. I'm just so excited. Absolutely. OK, so? I'm excited to see Hank with so much on the line.

That's going to be a real, it really is. Cause cause if the Celtics had been tested along the way in the Eastern conference finals, again, not their fault. And you get to the finals like, Oh man, they lost this everyone. There are so many people who are entrenched with like the Celtics are not good and the Mavs are way better. And like, so if that ends up being the case, you just have to just sit there and be like, Oh, I'm embarrassed. I'm pretty sure. I mean, you tell me you guys are unbiased more than me, but it feels like the general public. It's like 80, 20 maps or just not Celtics. Yeah. Because the Mavericks, I don't know. No one wants the Celtics to win it What do you think our first line get whose line is anyway?

I think Celtics minus three and a half is my like five see I think they're I think I think once we get to it What is it six see why I? I think the Celtics as Weird as the Eastern Conference playoff of look because of all the injuries wow all teams going down like I don't Celtics are still a fucking awesome team. They, this is a very even series. That's why I have Celtics in seven. With Mavericks, it's like, Luca is so fucking good.

You can't deny how good he is. He's just at the top of his game, at the top of the league, and he's also a dick. So a lot of people, they appreciate him for how good he is, but they're also like, I wish he didn't scream at everybody all the time although It was awesome when he screamed at that fan tonight saying yeah, who's crying now motherfucker. Yeah, it was great It was great, but it's great, but there's not like their America's sweetheart No, but if you pulled the general public who do you think they would choose? I don't know pretty close

Yeah, I don't think I don't think you're right on that. Oh, yeah I'm like it's like I don't I don't pretty close. Yeah, I don't think I don't think you're right on that Oh, yeah, I'm like I'm biased. I mean no, but I'm saying as a fan like a rooting interest like a fan Just a rooting it. Oh, yeah, I'm not talking about like maybe that thing's gonna win. But yeah, they want to win I think it's probably close you were two and a half points off on that line Yeah, too much respect. I've been listening to fucking eyes donuts over here. I've been glazed straight respect I've been listening to fucking I these donuts over here I've been glazing straight glazing Luca should be allowed no I know but I've been the glazing has

has infiltrated got in my hair and like it's got in my ear and it's made me think that the mazor maybe are better than they are you got Luca come in your ear yeah get you towel I also it would be funny if the if the cells win this we said this a couple maybe last week but the Lakers would be funny if the Celtics win this. We said this a couple, maybe last week, but the Lakers would have lost to the maximum amount of teams.

Yeah. Which would be very funny, because all Lakers fans were like, the Nuggets were the only team that could beat us. It was a bad matchup. Lost to the Nuggets. Nuggets lost to the Wolves. Wolves lost to the Mavs. Mavs lost to the Celtics.

It's just a domino. They had so many teams better than them. I have a very serious question about this. If the Celtics win. Yeah. Thank Vegas for sure. If the Celtics win does Blake Griffin get a ring. No I would say no. You don't think so. I have a very serious answer why. Because everybody won him on the team this year. Right. I would love for him to get a ring but I don't think Blake would take it. I think they should give him one. I don't think that would be a pity ring. Yeah, they should give him one was he in preseason camp? He should go to a game. Yeah. You should get him to a game. All you can if you can get Blake to a game and he you're in he allows you to sit on his

lap during the game. You can go at all the games Okay, okay But you have to wear like a Blake Griffin Jersey And you have to sit like have a pacifier and have the announcements think that you're his son You have to be like deuce Griffin Is that Jason Tatum son's name? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah deuce Griffin deuce Griffin just walking around It's high-fiving players. We get like headbands signed Yeah, get on the court before the game and shoot around running around walking around high fiving players. Maybe get like headbands signed. Yeah. Get on the court before the game and shoot around,

running around. You gotta put little, you gotta put sneakers on your knees and walk around on your knees the whole time. And be like sprinting, but never dribbling the ball on the court. Do it right now. Let me see who could take off your shoes and put your knees into your shoes.

Can you, do you have this angle? I think you could pull it. This is the best NBA preview finals preview of all time. Just saying that right now. We're going to have her solo on next week. Yeah. Yeah. There he is. There's two screws. He's adorable. Go to every finals game. Deuce. I just know that I like to ride with our guys on this show. Blake is rooting for the Celtics. He is a Celtic right now in spirit. And we've got White, we've got Prichard, and I like Joe Mazzullo a lot. I'm basing this all off, although Jason Kidd has been on the show.

That's very true, yeah. I'm basing this just all off of there's no heart or like anything. It's just brain I think the Celtics is a better team in a seven game series. I just do Same yeah. All right. Well, we'll find out I'm gonna crunch more data though. So that's again and don't that's my kneejerk It could even go it go Celtics and six I go Celtics and five. I go Mavs and seven, I gotta decide. I'm excited. I'm excited. I'm excited. I'm not gonna say I'm nervous.

One strategy I actually the one only betting strategy I think I have for this is I think I'm just gonna bet whoever loses game one. Because I do think it's gonna go seven. Yeah, no matter who loses game one, I'm just gonna bet that they're gonna trade games back and there are enough really good players on both sides, right? It's like exactly you can't count either team out. I'm just going on vibes right now I'm going with my heart not my not my head. Yeah, and also Joe Missoula said that the Celtics are weaponizing time That's how they're spending this this off week football guy weaponizing time. They're on some DARPA shit right now It is Dragon Ball Z. What is that? I was trying to think of what it meant to what I think it just means like

Practicing we're able did it to Belichick weapon. He did. Yeah, he stole time from him stole time. This is yeah What's that? What's that confusing movie that Christopher Nolan made? tenant Interstellar tenant oret. Interstellar. No, Tenet. No. It was Tenet. No. It's Tenet. The most... No. Before that. Tenet. Nope. Tenet was the weird one. There was another one. Tenet. Not Interstellar. Memento? Nope. That is also time. Kind of. Well, the guy had... Tenet. Interstellar. Inception. Inception. Oh. That's dream. He's weaponizing dreams, but memento as well

Missoula definitely weaponized his dream tenant is weaponizing time. I never saw it so I can't speak again. This is great NBA preview Which Christopher Nolan movie is most like the Boston Celtics? Okay, all right We'll change sports before we do that Okay, all right. We'll change sports before we do that. Coors Light, the beer of the summer. Shout out to the people who are ride or die fans despite multiple losses or bad draft picks. Choosing a chill mindset makes the day to day better. Life's too short to get worked up over small stuff. Choose chill and then reach for a Coors Light instead. When you embrace a chill mindset, it's a good time to choose chill and crack open a Coors Light.

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Should we talk some other sports? Let's talk football. Yeah. Hard knocks. Yeah. Chicago Bears. Yeah. Windy City.

Yeah. Caleb Williams. Yeah. Matt D. Yeah. Windy City. Yeah. Caleb Williams. Yeah. Matt Dweeber. Wait. Yas. Lake Shore Drive. Excited for that. Yeah, the Lake Shore Drive in the opening montage is going to be great. The shot of Lake Michigan. Yup. Sears Tower pan outs. First time it's ever had it in the Bears franchise. We all kind of assume this is going to be the case because Hard Knocks has these rules where if you are a playoff team, you can't do it, if you, which is like all the interesting teams.

I think it was originally for a playoff team, you can choose to not do it. Right. They ask you, but then no team wants to do it. If you have a new head coach, you can't do it. So I think that the decision was basically like, the Giants, the Saints and the Bears. I have a theory. Do you think that the Bears didn't fire Matt Eberfluss because they wanted Hard Knocks?

No. You don't think so? No, I do not. I don't think any team wants Hard Knocks. I mean- Maybe the Bears. Listen- Number one picks. I'm excited to watch the Hard Knocks Bears. Try and get that new stadium. Yup. Buzz. Yeah.

By the way, I think the lawmakers in Illinois have gone on vacation for the rest of the summer. Shout out Hank. So the stadium's like, they're like, I will figure it out later. The stadium's never getting built. There's a small, I'm very excited for Hard Knocks for the Bears.

I think it's going to be awesome. There's a small part of me that's worried that Hard Knocks might taint all the success the Bears have had these last few years. Yeah. Like this could go south. Yeah. People are going to get pumped for these Bears though. Oh yeah. It is. I mean, I'm already, there's nothing Hard Knocks can do that I won't already be thinking in my head. I can't wait for the the fashion episode with Caleb Williams. They're definitely going to go out to like some designer stores, follow him around for a day. Him and Roma Dunze being best friends already. Have him try some

stuff on for the cameras. He had a little catwalk. That's gonna be good. Ryan Pohl's getting to work at like four in the morning, which I respect. Hard working guy, genius. Yeah, I'm excited. You should be. I'm very excited. You should be. But you should also be very wary of the fact that Hard Knocks makes us amped up for any team. Oh no, PFT. I'm so scared that I might be like way overhyped with the Bears going into September and then they don't do well. When has that ever happened? Not you. Not you. Everybody else having the expectation. They already are. They're already like over eight and a half win total. In seasons past, damn, with the Bears,

you've been pumped up for the Bears, but everybody else has been like, maybe I'll pump the brakes a little bit. This time, everyone's gonna be like, Bears, Bears, Bears. You do realize there's literally nothing that can happen in this course of hard knocks and then the season that hasn't already happened to me. Like what's the worst thing that could happen?

I become a laughing stock of the internet? Oh, welcome to every football season. Yeah, I'm just saying, Hard Knocks. Yeah, that's why it's like, I'm at the point where it's like, I have nothing to lose. The only thing I can lose is just going back to where I've been.

It does give your enemies more ammunition in terms of memes. They have all of it. In terms of things to bring up. They have all the stats. And things don't go wrong. PFT, they have the stats. I know. The 3,000 yard pass or the 30 touchdowns.

I think the Bears are going to be good. I'm excited for Hard Knocks. They're a fun team. Their offense seems like they're incredible. Their defense seems like they're on definitely the right track on their way to being an elite defense. So I'm high on the Bears, but I also don't want to see you get crushed. That's a lie. No, no, no. Fucking lie. One, everyone in this room wants to see me get crushed. Everyone who's watching this wants to see me get crushed.

That's a lie. I root, I root way harder than everybody else's teams. You're, you're the team that I root the most for out of all the teams that I want to see lose. I think that's right. I reciprocate that. The two, there's nothing. I mean, what's going to happen? People are like, oh, I'm going to get crushed?

I've been flattened so many times. I'm in those compressor videos. Which rock, by the way. They are very satisfying. Where they like squash a candle. Yeah, we gotta get on some oddly satisfying stuff on this show. Yeah. On the socials.

Yeah, I watch one where the... It's in my algorithm. I'll start sending over. My algorithm's just tits and... Just tits. I was thinking what else it is, but it's not even... Food. No, it's not even...

Any dogs? I think I've just basically curated just tits the They shave soap bars. You ever watched that one? Yeah, that one rocks. Look cleaning rugs Yeah, like that rugs biggest waste of water I've ever seen have you watched so I watch them all have you watched the lawnmower guy? Who just shows up random people's houses. Yep. He is the best The guy calling clogging drains to random people's houses. He is the best. The guy clogging drains. Oh, the drains, dude. I have two drains in my back patio

and I won't clean up the back patio just because every time it rains, it gets clogged and I can just scoop it and I'll put it like right next to the drain just so I can watch it. Yeah, the leaves. Yeah leaves yeah leaves and all the gunk in there yeah yeah the the lawn mowing videos are very satisfying or you don't have to do that just shows up to people's houses that don't have lawn mowers and does it for them it's like that guy rock or it's like a person has passed away and let

yeah so they'll go to the neighbor and like hey can I clean this up yeah is a hard knocks preview well there will be some good tangents right there I'm having a great show there's's definitely going to be a grass cutting scene. Yo, yeah. At the beginning of hard knocks, the smell, the sprinkler, so many drawn shots of the lake in the river. Yeah. Yeah. Listen, I'm going to be excited to watch it. And again, he's going to go to the Sears tower, 360 tower, what's the bonding or whatever the fuck will is the Hancock, the hand is the Willis, but it's always the Sears tower to me

They're gonna go on that that they might not be over words The Bears although they they've no I think they've been back at bourbon a they don't do it at house anymore because of COVID They were doing it like everyone was doing at their facilities Oh slow-mo hot dog shots Yeah, I'm excited. I'm very excited. There's really nothing that could hurt me more than I've already been hurt. And I say that, and obviously I'm

going to get way more hurt. But come on. Save this. You guys know. You guys know how this works. It is porn. They're going to be awesome. I would like to experience at some point being a Commanders

fan getting to watch the full documentary behind my own team. Right, maybe you'll get the end season. I might get the end season, yeah, but nobody watches the end season. And they did the off season with the Giants? The Giants, yeah. So we're gonna see free agency and draft. Why doesn't every team just do this now?

Also, a lot of them do. Also, we're gonna get episode three where we stop watching. I'll keep watching, but America will stop watching, because that's just what happens now with hard knock Yeah after the preseason starts. Yeah Okay, I Have oh we should talk some hockey. Oh actually wait one more football topic memes

He doesn't look old what are you what are you talking? I know what you're gonna say what I know I Was not gonna say that Who are you talking about? I know what you're gonna say. What, no. I was not gonna say that. Who are you talking about? You know who I'm talking about. Who are you talking about? Aaron Rodgers. Oh, is there a video out? There's a video.

It was blister maintenance prevention. What? That's what Pat McAfee said. Okay, and how did he look running around? He looked fun. Oh. I thought he kind of was hobbling a little. Yeah, he just got taped up.

So you're not worried? Not worried. OK, great. I mean, he looked really good last off-season. We saw what that got him. Yeah, that's true. And he's also, he's young. Maybe the secret is to just not be able to run away

from defense linemen. Just get hit. This is mean. This is mean. Memes, this video, you watching, you got bothered. I got a little bothered because people just kept tagging me. Yeah. But it was the non-Akeli's foot. I don't think the looking, the blister maintenance means nothing to me. It's him running around looking like he's 50 years old like He looks that little hobble Is that a blister? All right, it's a blister. It's just a blister guys might be covita might be kovac I don't know what that is. But yeah, he was also he was examining his feet a little bit We're talking about Aaron Rodgers. They don't hasn't picked up. But yeah, he looked how is that who that is? Yeah, he was also he was examining his feet a little bit. We're talking about Aaron Rodgers I don't hasn't picked up but yeah, he looked hot. Oh, is that who that is? Yeah, that is

I didn't know he's looking at his blister maintenance. Okay, that's a horse good maintenance. He's gonna drop back pitch it and then Okay, oh Little ginger little ginger little ginger. Little ginger. Little ginger. OK. Little Andy Dalton? Yeah.

Little ginger. We should talk hockey, though. Let's talk hockey. Memes, this is the nice part of the show for you. The Panthers take a 3-2 lead, win at the Mecca. You have to feel like you're, you're, it's over. Don't feel like it's over yet. I feel like it's going seven. But.

Well you literally just asked me before the show. It's got to be over. It's got to be. Yeah. Memes is in incredible crisis mode with the Rangers being this close to a Stanley Cup final. He I walked in like maybe at like seven I don't know, 45, and the big TV was hockey and there was no basketball, and I was like, hey, can we put the basketball game on? He goes, oh, I totally forgot that there's a basketball game tonight.

He's so invested. I think he roots harder for the Rangers to lose than he does for the Islanders to win. Correct. Which I respect. That's a pure hater move. Absolutely. Yeah, so memes, it's over. I don't think it's over

So what is your analysis for the Rangers ability to come back here? I would like the Rangers to win game six what what and then lose in historic fashion this is bad me Oh, that's a really you got to make this a must rat you got to make this a must lose playing with fire It's a must lose you and max are just two sides of the same coin You You don't understand must wins, must loses. Panthers must win game six. There you go, Jake. Get it. And then the Oilers, that was an incredible comeback. I know there wasn't, it was only two goal lead, but it was more how fast they went from down two oh to two two and then how fast they went to two to to 4-2. And it was a gut check moment for the Oilers because they lost game three at home. Crowds amped up so loud.

Game four, they come out flat. It's like, uh-oh, this series is over. And Connor McDavid, turns out he's really goddamn good, even if he's not scoring goals. Yeah, he is. Might be injured. He's a good facilitator. You think he's got lower body?

No, people are saying I was reading some of my own Twitter replies saying that Conor David might have something going on with his wrist, and that's why he's not shooting as much. And a little Adam Banks situation. Hold this stick and rotate. Upper body. And he got screwed with that shot that should have gone in.

The goalie stick was just sitting there. Yeah, yeah, he did. He did. I'm rooting for Edmonton to get to the finals. I would like to see Edmonton and Florida. Yeah, people will say we're anti-Dallas. I was, I've been, Hank? Am I anti-Dallas?

God no. Yeah, glazing. Been glazing, Luca. Yeah, I want- Glazed donut. I want every Dallas team to win except the Cowboys. Okay, we're gonna have Whitney on by the way next week and possibly Yans. Neither of them know it. So if they hear this, just hit me hit me up. Do you want to do my baseball topics?

Yeah, yeah, let's do it. Okay, I got four baseball time. I've got one too. It's probably one of the same ones. Okay, yeah, let's do it. Okay. I got four baseball. I've got one too. It's probably one of the same ones. Okay. Well You want to pick one through four three three chinks? Oh, okay, three is good. Um Ben verlander is the weirdest tweeter of all time Was that Jinx me. Oh. Okay, thank you. No, I agree. I concur.

Yeah, so he tweeted yesterday, It's so wild to me that when a pitcher throws up near Jose Altuve's head, fans loudly cheer. I honestly think if he got hit in the head and died on the field, people would cheer. So here's the thing.

Short King to short King talking here. It's hard not to throw near Altuve's head. Yeah, they're all up and in anything above the belt on a normal human is towards his head. They would on. I honestly think if he got hit in the head and died on the field, people would cheer. I don't think that. I don't think so. I think it'd probably be pretty quiet. Probably be like, Ooh.

Probably cancel baseball for a couple of weeks. Maybe a week. Yeah. At least a day. Yeah. No, Ben's way off on this one. Yeah. You know what? I'd have to have him on. You know what? Like dude, he seems like a really nice guy, but he just, remember he said that he was literally threw up throwing up from show. Hey, Ohtani getting hurt. Yeah, I, I admire his passion. I do too. He's very passionate. I like that. But I just more want to be like, it's kind of like when we had John Ross scene on, okay, explain some tweets. It's not a good thing. There's gonna be a lot of it's like,

don't Yeah, I don't I'm not like coming at you. I just I would like to know what's going on through your head when you're like, if Jose Altuve died, people would cheer. I'm not like coming at you. I would like to know what's going on through your head when you're like, if Jose Altuve died, people would cheer. I would not. No. I would bang on a trash can. Yeah. At his funeral. Like bagpipes. Ben probably thinks that people would show up at his funeral like the Westboro Baptist Church with a bunch of trash cans. It's also not hard to understand. We were robbed of making fun of the Astros because of the COVID year. So people feel like we'll never get our full justice. Yeah.

All right, that was topic one, or that was topic three. Hank? Two. Two. The Mets, Jorge Lopez. Did you guys see this? I did not see this one. He came off the field, had a terrible relief outing, and threw his glove into the crowd

in disgust. And then afterwards, he was asked by reporters, what's going on? And he said he's been on, he's on the worst team in probably the whole fucking MLB. Ooh. Did you see his statement though. What. He said because his efforts to address the media in English he felt it made him the worst teammate in the entire league. Oh that's a good spin zone. Well what about the wood. It was a translation issue when he threw his glove into the crowd. No. Oh OK. And And then he got cut. Yeah, he DFA'd him. Yeah. But

he's saying he was the worst teammate, not the worst team. Got it. Got it. But why buy that? That's the show high. So did he get DFA'd because of the quote or because of his play? I think it was the throw. It was both. Yeah. He threw his glove. And a Yankees fan caught it, which is so perfect for the Mets. Oh, that's tough. Yeah. That's really tough. So he threw his glove. They DFA'd him for throwing a glove. You can lose your job for that He threw it in anger at the crowd. So me is also bad. Yeah. Yeah that too and the Mets are bad Like he's not totally wrong. I mean, there's a couple teams worse But they're pretty bad socks. Yeah, Rockies are pretty bad

Marlins are pretty bad. White socks, right? White socks, yeah. Rockies are pretty bad. Marlins are pretty bad. Yeah. Athletics, sneaky, not that bad. Yeah, unfortunately, we're hovering around money. We're right below 500. Yeah. Right below 500. OK, that was topic number two, Hank?

One. OK, good, because it's four I didn't want to do till the end. Did you guys see we have a knuckleballer again? Yeah. David Fletcher, he was the Angels' infielder. He's now on the Braves AAA, and he's basically become a knuckleballer. And it's a very cool story, because we've

been saying for a long time. We need one. We need one. Also cool part about David Fletcher, he's under investigation by the MLB for the Shohei Ohtani gambling issue. Yeah, that is very cool. The fact that he's a knuckle baller is awesome, too.

We do need a knuckle baller in Major League Baseball. It's so fun to watch. If for nothing else, then just to give everybody that's like 30 or above just the chance to think to themselves, like, if I really put my mind to it, I could become a knuckle baller. I, too, could be a Major League Baseball pitcher. Yeah and that's what he's doing. Yeah. And he's also not under investigation. He was dubbed Shohei Otani's best friend, was

gambling with the same bookie, also another teammate of his was gambling on games of his allegedly with that bookie. A little messy but the knuckleball is cool. Yeah the knuckleball's really cool. I'm willing to overlook all that stuff. Just like Shohei, I'm willing to overlook it because Shohei's so much fun to watch. If it's a knuckleball pitcher, absolutely. Bring him in.

And then I had my last one was the Negro League's records. Was that yours or no? Yeah, that was mine. Okay. I have... Was that yours or no? Yeah, that was mine. OK. I have, um, I have, I, so it's, it's cool

because guys that were kept out of the sport by the MLB are being acknowledged. Is it crazy to say, though, part of me feels weird, not, there's a lot, there were a lot of people online, this is bullshit, we like our records, I don't give a fuck about that. The weird part to me is MLB segregated the black players, told them they cannot play in the MLB, made them create their own leagues because you cannot play, we're keeping you out, and now

80 years later they're basically inheriting their statistics and putting them on the MLB website and almost erasing it, like the Negro Leagues, being like, oh yeah, it's all part of MLB. Well yeah, they're- That feels weird to me. They're trying to make people forget the fact that it was the MLB that kept black players out of professional baseball

and made them start their own league for a long time. And by inheriting those stats and bringing those in, they're kind of saying, these belong to us now. Right. And that's not at all what happened. Like what happened, if you were to ask players who played at the time, you probably could, I don't know what they'd say. I don't want to speak for them, but thinking if I put myself in their shoes, I'd be like, fuck you. You wouldn't let me play baseball.

And now you're trying to act like that era never happened. It is very cool that people are gonna get to see the records and the individual stats are gonna come more to light on a much bigger scale, which is good. That's the good part of it. The bad part is MLB is essentially doing this to try to make themselves into a good guy based on the fact that they were a very bad guy

back in the day. Our friend Ryan Spader had a good I don't know if there's a thread or if it was just one tweet but he kind of laid out the case for it because MLB will start to now say like These are MLB stats, right? They're probably going to start to say NL slash AL record instead of MLB record, right for certain stats that were surpassed by players that played in the Negro leagues that came over. Yeah. So, all right. So we had the same thought because it's one of those stories you're like, all right, well, you know, it's good that the Negro leagues are getting the

acclaim right now. And I know that getting some of these guys in the Hall of Fame was very important, but the MLB feels like they're just kind of padding the Negro leagues on the head, being like, these are ours now. And in 50 years from now, when you look up who was the leader and you see Josh Gibson, you don't get the full story that MLB kept Josh Gibson out of Major League Baseball. And then also ended the Negro Leagues by not... A lot of times when there's a, you know, the ABA, NBA, they inherit some of the teams and some of the teams become part, you know, they bring them in as expansion. When the Negro leagues, when they started integration, they brought

in a couple players, but they didn't bring any of the teams in and basically that decimated the Negro leagues. So it's like MLB, you kept them out, then you ruined the Negro Leagues, now you want the records? I don't know. And I could be way off, people could be like, this is the wrong take, that's fine. I just, that was my initial, this is weird. I think it would be better to be solved like the way basketball does it, professional baseball hall of fame, or just baseball hall of fame, and have it not be, well, it might be, is that what it is at Cooper Sound or is it MLB? I think it might be baseball hall of Fame or just baseball Hall. Yeah, and have it not be away might be Is that what it is in Cooper Sound or is it MLB? I think it might be baseball

Yes, I just know I went to MLB comm today and I looked up stats like career leaders and Josh Gibson is leading in I think it was batting average and You you'd have to click on his name to see that he didn't play in the MLB, again, because the MLB kept him out. So it is the National Baseball Hall of Fame. So that's good. So it tells the full story there. But for Major League Baseball to say,

these are our records, when no, in fact, you kept them out of Major League Baseball, it's a little dicey. And it's gonna get, as years go by, it will get confusing that the story will get confusing to future generations. And it won't get fully told that they kept all these incredible players, which the Negro

Leagues, by all accounts, and we've heard the stories, also, when guys went from Negro Leagues to Major League Baseball, they flourished. So the Negro Leagues was playing at a very high level. So the argument that, oh, they didn't play enough games or, oh, that wasn't as good. No, it was probably better than a lot of baseball players in MLB. That argument doesn't hold any water. I think the stars would have been the stars no matter what league they were playing in. Some of these guys left played in the

Negro leagues then after their prime went to MLB and still dominated yeah they were also forced to do some barnstorming so they had to play there were some games that were against inferior opponents yeah time but you don't hold that against those players because they were forced to do that because MLB would not let them play right professional base so I just I don't know that was just I it felt again, I could be way off, but it just feels like in 50 years, 100 years, the story will be so confusing that it won't be fully told that Major League Baseball

did not let black people play in Major League Baseball for a large part of their history, which is very bad. Yes. Also, I learned Ty Cobb was actually not a big racist. So there's one author that fucking hated Ty Cobb that just completely sullied his name. And I don't know if Ty Cobb had some bad streaks. And I'm probably not an angel.

But I don't think he was the bad guy that he sometimes made out to be. I read a long story about it last night. He was a surly guy, he was quick tempered, thin skinned, but by all accounts was not the racist that everyone was taught he was when we were taught about Ty Cobb. Whereas he's the most racist guy in the world. Put the statue back up. Yeah.

It really did look like it was one author basically wrote a book and that was just his story. Yeah. It was one author that really, really did not like Ty Cobb. Yeah. And yeah. So be nice to authors who might be writing your biography one day. Yeah.

Josh Gibson's arms were fucking massive. See pictures of those? Yeah. Yeah. Satchel Paige was a monster. Yeah. Satchel page was a monster. Yes. Satchel page is a perfect example. I think Satchel page, I think pitched in MLB at the end of his career when he was well past his prime and was good. Correct me on that, Jake, if you can. No, I'm pretty sure he did. I'm pretty sure in 50. Yeah. Like in the early 50s, he pitched in

major league baseball. Um, but yeah, that was yeah, that was, it's kind of a, people were getting angry at each other online. 48 to 53. On the internet? Yeah, on the internet. He came back in 65 for one year. Yeah, look at him, he's 41 years old and he went to Major League Baseball.

You're not telling me Satchel Page, if he was allowed to play in Major League Baseball his entire career would have been one of the best pitchers of all time. Didn't he pitch like nine innings every single game? Yeah. So yeah, people were upset about their old stats. Who the fuck cares?

I actually think you should just get rid of all old stats pre-integration because the Major League stats are also tainted. You kept out. Because you kept out some of the best players. You deliberately kept them out. You shouldn't be able to count those as those like the number one stats I think that people in general should just not fall in love with numbers. Yeah Numbers aren't everything. Oh my stats. Oh the stats are different now. Oh, no when I look at these numbers

There's a different name next to some of the numbers It's a very major league baseball story because major league baseball is is like the number one we got to protect the stats Yeah, they are it's weird Yeah Imagine if the NFL acted that way like the all the passing stats are gonna be broken a hundred times over in the next 20 years It's 20 games now 20 games in the right. They're all gonna be shattered I mean the only thing that that really whenever they change the amount of games in a year It does make you go back and be like, OJ was built different.

No, it was built different. Every time they had another game. 2,000 yards. Every time there's another game, OJ Simpson becomes 0.0001% more likeable. Well, he's very likeable dead. That's true. Yeah. Okay, anything else before we do our great Mike Breen interview?

We had the spelling bee. Oh, yeah. When did that happen? Today. The finals were tonight. Hank. Who won? A guy named Bruhat Soma. He spelled 29 words in a spell off in 90 seconds. There's a spell off. There's a spell off? There's a spell off. Hank, I got a question for you. His winning word was abseil. Meaning a descent and mountaineering by means of a rope looped over a projection above. Can you use it in a sentence? The mountaineer had a real great abseil. It fucking rocked. Which is the language of origin.

English. It's an English word. Is that really good? Yes. Yes, Jake. It's an English word Yes, yes, Jake yeah, it's an English word Abseil yeah, so abseil yes, hey, I'll use it in a sentence for you No, actually I won't no you should do it you know using a sense. Hey, I agree that big catch should use in a sense Yes, I Don't really have a sentence for it. I was trying to figure out a way to Hank. Hank promises that he will have a six pack. But I'm abseiling on that one. Absolutely. It didn't work. If Hank is not able to dunk, he

will abseil himself from the rim of the basketball court in varsity headquarters. Yeah, Hank can suck a mean abseil abseil abseil abseil a descent in mountaineering I'll give it a try after a yeah B mm-hmm you're just saying the alphabet S okay AIL ding no they do the ding when it's wrong. Okay. That was so confusing, Jay. That's what they do. Yeah, well, we don't know that. You know the bell. I don't. I have not watched the spelling bee in a very long time.

I do know the bell, but in the moment when you ding, I think correct. Yeah, ding is correct. I know the guy goes, that is correct. Hank Scott doesn't brain, though. He's so committed to trivia. All right, abseil. I'm going to give it a shot. Abseil.

What did you say? ABS he said ABS a il I'm a fan abs. There was a phonetic spelling be I would dominate abs. Is that just spelling words wrong? spelling them phonetically Abseil what was the language of origin English? It's an English word abseil ABD What was the language of origin? English, it's an English word. Abzal. A-B-D S-A-L-E. No.

Abzal. Dang. Ah, shit. It's gotta be, there's gotta be like a U in there. I somehow got a D in there. Hank was very close. Hank was really close. Was it S-A-L-E?

No. A-B-S-E-I-L. He said A-I-L. Very close, Hank. S-E-I-L. Yeah, he said S-A-L-E? No Oh B-S-E-I-L He said A-I-L Very close Hank S-E-I-L? Yeah, he said S-A-I-L That doesn't sound like an English word I'm just gonna say it I think PFT banged me

I have no idea what fucking Well, that's a huge part of the spelling It's an English word, I don't know where it came from I don't know the word's parents You can tell by the letters, it's not England Hank, spell the word I-cup Ooh I I don't know the words parents you can tell by the letters. It's not England Hank spell the word I cup Oh I

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It is the voice of the NBA, Mike Breen. You're going to hear him for the NBA Finals, which is starting shortly, but not shortly enough. Mike, thank you so much for joining us. I actually, this is a very dumb question to start. We always like to do our dumb questions right off the jump, but we talk about rest versus rust with the NBA finals and the Celtics having all this time off.

Is there rest versus rust for announcers? Is there a certain point where you're like, I'm kind of losing it. I need to get back in the booth. Well, am I allowed to give a dumb answer to the dumb question? Of course, of course. Oh, no, that's a good, it's actually a good question. Um, you know what? There's been a bug floating around the crew. So I've been battling a chest cold last couple of days.

So rest is ideal right now. Although we still prefer, I mean, I want every series to go seven games, but since this was, was a sweep, I'll take advantage of the rest. Yeah. Classic Tibbs announcer getting, getting drained by the end of the year, right? Yeah. Ran you too hard. Yeah. Uh, no, we, we love you. You're, you're obviously like, uh, something that I think American sports fans can all point at and say, we Mike Breen which is rare because you have to find something to hate about everybody do you have any haters? Oh of course I'm sure there there must be many of them out there I mean it's it's impossible and this happens every playoffs guys where you know say it's say I'm doing a Lakers Celtics finals

you go into Boston and the Celtic fans are yelling at you, man, it's clear you want the Lakers to win. So you do the couple of games there, then you go to LA, and it's just the opposite. The Laker fans are saying, oh man, can you try and hide how badly you want the Celtics to win? It's just, it happens every year. It happens in every sport.

You can ask anybody who does the other. Ask Joe Buck. He dealt with that the world. The guys who do the Super Bowls, it's the same thing every year. Yeah, we've actually talked to Joe Buck about that. And we said, I think every team has a part of their fan base that just hates you and thinks that you're biased

against their team. And he told us which team he really hated and had a bias against. So which team do you really hate? I really don't. I'll tell you what, you know, it's an interesting thing that I wish fans would understand sometimes. Most of them do. But when you're doing an NBA game and one of the complaints the fans will say, well,

you're getting so much more excited for them than you are for our team. But often it has to do with where you're playing. For example, last night in Indiana, you know, the Pacers hit a shot, the place is going crazy. You've got to raise your intensity to overcome the crowd. You don't have to do it as much when it's the road team because obviously the crowd isn't going as crazy. So that does come into play sometimes because there's been some games where, all right, say I'm doing the Warriors Cavs and the Warriors are getting beaten.

The Cavs hit a big shot and it's in San Francisco and you're yelling the top of your lungs, what you should do on a big play in a big playoff game. But the people who are sitting around you are so quiet because the opponents are scored and they're looking at you like, can you please shut up? Can you like that? So that, that does come into play in terms of of sometimes that you have to go a little higher on the home team. Yeah. Um, I just want to give ourselves some credit. This is a big, big J journalists move by us. I know that you went to Fordham and you've been in the industry for a very long time. Credit to us for lasting all of three questions before

we started talking about the bang. Had to. I've been holding it back. I'm the meme. Holding in your bang? Yeah, I've been holding in my bang. When did the bangs begin? I have many questions. Let's start there. The bang, the or the origin of the bang. And when did you know like, Hey, this is my thing. Like I'm, I'm Marv Albert. Yes. Like this is going to be my thing. You know what? I started it when I was a student at Fordham, but I didn't do it on the air. When I was sitting in the stands, I went to every Fordham basketball game, drove everywhere to root for my college team. And there was about 10 or 11 of us,

including Michael Kay, who of course is the Yankee voice for so many years. And when we weren't broadcasting the game on the student radio station, we'd sit in the stands and we'd cheer like crazy. And when a Fordham player hit a big shot, I would yell it as a fan. And I tried it on the air as a student broadcaster,

but I didn't think it worked, so I kind of shelved it. But then and I tried it on the air as a student broadcaster but I didn't think it worked so I kind of shelved it but then I started doing it again when I might one of my first jobs I was doing this high school game of the week package and we do these Friday night games Friday night high school games in packed gyms I mean packed there were small ones but so loud and it was hard to overcome the crowd so I was searching for a concise call for a big moment. And a one syllable word seemed to work. So I started using it there. And I kind of liked the way it worked.

I've always tried to be less as more as a broadcaster. So that's when it started out the air. OK, so that's a great story that it was as natural as natural could be that you were doing it while sitting in the stands. What then the double bang? Do you know when a double bang is coming? You've done eight total. I'm sure someone's told you this, but do you, what's the benchmark that has to clear for

a double bang? Because when it happens now, it's actually like a seismic event online, like Mike Breen just did a double bang. I'm concerned that you know how many there are. Yeah, well, we're big fans. They're tracked. Yeah, and when we get a double bang, it's a big, big moment. Getting a great double bang this playoffs.

Yeah. Fantastic double bang. Yeah. You know, it's completely spontaneous. I'm still 63 now, and I love basketball as much as I did when I was six and first started playing. So when I watch something and somebody does something spectacular, and especially if it's a surprise,

especially if it's, you know, in a huge situation, I just kind of lose it. And I've never planned it. It just comes out. The excitement's so good. Like for example, the Dante DiVincenzo hit one early in the playoffs for the Knicks. And the way that game had turned on a dime,

it just came out. And I'd like to think that I maintain my fan love of the game and get excited when something unexpected like that happens. Yeah. Do you ever think to yourself, I'm about to say bang so MF'ing loud? I've seen the meme. Fortunately, I've been able to avoid using that word

on the end. You should do a bet where if you lose, you actually have to get that literally tattooed on your forehead. So you become the meme in real human form. That would work well at my age. Yeah. No, we appreciate like the enthusiasm. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I was just saying, do you know, can you recall your double bangs in history? Do you, do you have them like off the top of your head? Um, well Steph Curry was the first one. Yep. Also, also when you do so Steph Curry was the first one. Yep. Sure. Also, also when you do, so Steph Curry's the first one,

you double banged. Do you go back to the booth afterwards or the truck and everyone's like, Mike, what the hell was that? I said it twice. Like you, you've never double banged. No, the first one even shocked me. Because the whole thing was even, it was the buildup to that shot, the whole game, the whole season,

that was a buildup. Let's see, there was, Julius Randall had one last year in a game on the MSG network for when they beat Miami down in Miami. Eric Gordon had one. It was a huge game between Houston and Golden State or maybe Houston-Lake or something. I don't remember now. And then there were two, there were two this this play of Stephen Chenzo and who's this? I've already forgotten who the other one was. I can't remember who the other one was either. I'm trying to think. Stephen Chenzo, that was a big one because it was New York. You were there. It was an awesome comeback. It might've been Jalen Brown in the corner. Was that a double bang? Yes. Okay. Yeah. This is, now this is disturbing that I can't remember the one that happened last

week. The double bangs are great. They are. It does feel and it captures the moment because I like the fact that there's only been eight of them makes it extra special where it's like it's only coming out for a really unbelievable moment. Well I think if I somebody told me that there were people that are upset that they didn't feel the Jalen Brown deserves double back. So now they're rating the quality of the double back. I thought it did. I mean he basically saved a playoff game and an important playoff game because it was the first of the series Yeah, yeah, I get now it just comes out Yeah, they're saying that because the the other double bang happened so recently so it's like oh is he just becoming a double bang guy

Have you thought about ever doing a triple bang? You wouldn't do a triple bang. What you I don't know I don't think you got the chops for a triple back. That'd be crazy Mike Would you? No, I don't think you got the chops for a triple bang. That'd be crazy, Mike. No, I don't think so. I've tried... The other thing too is people think I say it all the time. I would say more than 50% of the games I never even use one. I've tried... Because I think if you do it too much, it just wears out its welcome. So I've tried to be selective, not just a double bang, but even just a regular bang

for an important one in the game. There's been some games where it seems like, you know, there's going to have this phenomenal ending. Somebody is going to hit a three at the buzzer. And that's when sometimes I'll say, let's save it for maybe the big play at the end. And the big play never happens. The guy gets fouled and the winning points are from the free throw line.

Yeah. So I don't normally go bang on a free throw made, but sometimes I, you know, even games that just, I don't even do any of them. Yeah. What about if you go that stretch where like there's, you know, blowouts or whatever, and that you haven't used a bang in a while,

do you ever get nervous? Like like do I remember how to bang no you know talk about the free throw you know my kids show me a lot of stuff on social media and somebody actually made a video of me scream I mean the ultimate screaming bang on just basic free throws made in the first quarter. I love it. It's awesome. Yeah. It's great. It's iconic. It is. Like I said, Marv Albert. Yes. Like you know when the bang happens, like that's Mike Breen. It's a big moment. It just works so perfectly for basketball. Well, I mean obviously Marv was the biggest influence for me and people, at least for me, this is what Marv had different levels of yes. You know, there'd be a first quarter guy make a nice move, hit a shot, yes.

And then in the second quarter, there might be like a big 15-0 run, a guy hit a three-pointer at the end of 15-0 run, yes, a little more. And then, of course, he had the great ones at the end at the, you know, a game winning call or a momentum changing call. And that was the beauty of Marv is like, you could tell by the tone of the S whether it was, all right, that's a pretty big shot or that was the shot of the game. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We, I have one more bang related question and then we can get back into a real interview. Do you have a favorite bang? What's your favorite bang you've ever done? The Curry double bang is very special because of that year, the way it

happened. And the Ray Allen one, because the Ray Allen bang was that shot decided who was going to win a title. He doesn't hit that and the Spurs win the title. But because he hits that, they win the game, they win game seven. So that one was pretty big. There was one with Derrick Rose that I've always loved. I was a big fan, still am, of Derrick Rose. Just not only a wonderful player, but a terrific guy.

And he hit one in Chicago against LeBron James and the Cavs to win a game at the buzzer, a playoff game. I was there. Yeah. That was pretty exciting. Yeah. If you, this might be another dumb question, but if you go back and you listen to those calls, we love those calls.

Like I get excited just thinking about that Ray Allen shot and your voice providing the soundtrack to what I remember as like a pivotal moment in NBA basketball. When you go back and you watch those clips and you hear yourself, do you enjoy your own voice? Do you enjoy your own bangs? Or are you like, Oh, my voice is gross. Get it off. No, you kind of like, who is this screaming fool? It's just, just chill out there pal. But what I do when I do watch them or somebody sends something to me, it brings me memories of the particular game and how exciting the games were and how a great player can step up. I'm still blown away by the talent of these guys

and what they're able to do. Especially Ray Allen one, here's a guy, you know, I watched him play for no matter how many years, I think he played like 17 years, and any game I ever broadcast that he played in, whether it was Milwaukee, Boston, Miami, and I must have done a hundred Ray Allen games, maybe more. He was at the arena when I arrived, on the court already shooting,

and that shot he hit in game six, I saw him take hundreds of those in pregame warmups. So that was no fluke. That was something that it was just in his arsenal and the practice year after year of doing it. And then the biggest moment of his career was able to knock it down. Yeah. Yeah. So Mike, your career is fascinating because I think you know a lot of the guys that we hear Calling national games. That's kind of what they always have done, but you started in Radio and you you know you worked for Don I'm s and you did there was I read a story that you basically were working You know 5 a.m. In the morning and then calling Knicks games at night

Which it's incredible and it's also a testament to your hard work and getting to the place you are. But how much was radio? How much did radio help you in doing the live broadcast of games? And I would assume like you have a great sense of humor. And I think, you know, when you're in, do you call back on that when it's a blowout or it's like, I got to fill some time? Well, the radio part was instrumental. It's much harder to do a radio broadcast on a TV broadcast because you have to describe everything. You've got to be the, you know, it's not a cliche. You have to be the eyes of the listener.

And if you can do that, when you start to do TV, you know, you have to pull back a little bit and, you know, there are other obstacles that are difficult the way you work in your partners A little more difficult. You obviously have a producer and director that talked to you in the year while you're doing the game But radio is it's the ultimate foundation to start and and that's what I did by me my first Broadcasts were all radio with the Ford and radio station and then my first job. I was a news reporter on the radio for a Poughkeepsie radio station in New York. So it created a foundation that allowed me to be on the air quite a bit and get better. Because if after you do it for a while, if

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At one point you told a reporter that you would fight anybody to the death if that you heard them speak ill of Bill Walton And I want to hear your story about Bill and why he meant so much to you Yeah, that was an article Katie Baker the wonderful writer for the ringer, wrote it. And. But I'll try not to make it too long. I apologize, guys. No, go as long. We loved Bill. We talked about it on our show. We had the joy of getting to interview him once. And it's like when when when I retire someday, that will be up there with like

I got to spend three hours with Bill Walton. That was incredible. That's up there for me as well. The story was, this is about 15 years ago, my dad had Parkinson's disease, and it was advancing to the point where we were worried he's not gonna get out of the house, he wasn't gonna be able to get out of the house.

Now we lived in New York and my younger brother Pete called me up and said, hey, before he can't travel anymore, let's take him to see the USS Midway. The Midway is the aircraft carriers. It's in San Diego right now as a museum. And my dad served on the Midway in the Korean War. I had not been on the ship since he left the service.

So we made plans to go and take him out to see the Midway one last time. And I called Bill because Bill lives in San Diego and said, I need a hotel recommendation. Well, of course, Bill's like, you're not staying in a hotel, you're staying in my home. So we planned this three day trip out there. And for three days, So we planned this three day trip out there and for three days when we get out there, Bill was by my father's side for three straight days. First thing he did is he put him in the bedroom, the Bob Dylan room. All Bill's rooms in his home were named after him. They were mostly musicians and the Bob Dylan room was a place of honor.

So he put my dad in the Bob Dylan room and you know every meal John you sit here next to me, breakfast, lunch, dinner, we'd go for for drives to places. John you sit in the front seat with me. They were inseparable for three days. Bill would not leave his side and then the day we went to the to see the Midway, well I was thinking we're just going to go buy tickets like anybody can get a tour. Well the day before went to see the Midway, well, I was thinking we're just gonna go buy tickets like anybody who can get a tour. Well, the day before he had called over to the Midway and told them that one of your heroes is returning

to the ship that he served on. So when we get there, we are greeted by the commander of the Midway. And he takes us on this two hour tour in and out and guys An aircraft carrier is no place for a seven-foot man who has back knee and ankle problems It was a painful walk for Bill, but he every step of the way never left my father's side It was really emotional for him for my dad

Going back in the condition he was in. And he broke down a couple of times. And every time he broke down, my brother and I did the same thing. And I'd look at Bill, and there's Bill. He's got tears just streaming down his cheeks. So then we get back to the house after just an amazing day that meant so much to my father and that Bill came with him. I couldn't find the two of them.

Like, where'd they go? Bill had a teepee in his yard. I mean, an enormous teepee that you could sleep a number of people. And I go back looking, there's the two of them sitting in the teepee, just talking about life and Bill listening to my father's stories and back and forth.

So when we left, it wasn't, Bill wasn't my friend. Bill was my father's stories and back and forth. So when we left, it wasn't, Bill wasn't my friend, Bill was my father's friend. And he didn't live much longer after that. And my mother who's still alive, she said until he passed, he talked about that all the time. It was in a tough stretch. The end of his life was very difficult. Those were the three best days in the

last years of his life. And there's a huge picture still in this day. My mother still lives in the same house. There's a huge picture of the two of them sitting in the teepee together that she just she adores the picture. And when I was given the Gowdy Award at the basketball hall of fame, When I was given the Gowdy Award at the Basketball Hall of Fame, I took my whole family up there, including my mother. And there are so many NBA legends there. She had no interest, and she's a basketball fan. She had no interest in meeting any of them. She just kept saying to me, where's Bill? I need to meet Bill Walton. And when she met him, and I get emotional even thinking about it, she just wanted to say thank you for what you did for my husband.

What he did those three days were three of the happiest days of my father's life. That's such a good story. Yeah, I mean, and that is so Bill Walton. Like I said, even the three hours we spent with him, he makes you feel like the most important person in the world. And he does that for, it seems like he did that for everyone. Right, you think you're the only one

that he's sending these wonderful texts to or he's doing those, he does it for everyone. I know. And it's, you know, how many people in our lives when they say your name or say their name to you, the first reaction you have is you smile or you laugh. And anytime anybody would say, Hey, tell me about Bill Walton, I'd either laugh or smile and then I'd go into the story.

And that's the gift he gave all of us in that no matter if he was with you or even when he wasn't with you, when he came up, you had to smile. That's awesome. Yeah. He really was the best. So, so career, doing the Knicks, now doing national broadcasts, is there a moment that you look back at and you're like, that was when it not became easy, but like, oh, I'm really good at this and I can feel comfortable being in the booth? Because I'm sure most broadcasters, I deal with it myself, like a little bit of imposter syndrome, like, am I going to be good at this? Was there a moment where it clicked and you're like, I'm really good at this? I'm Mike Breen, bang.

That's interesting. You say that because that never fully goes away. Yeah. You always think, okay, I better be prepared. I've got to do my best. Because you know, they still think I'm good enough to do this. So there are other people who are better. And that's something that drives you. But it's just a matter of, I mean, I still get nervous before NBA finals games or a big

playoff game set or something. But it's good butterflies, it's adrenaline butterflies. And if I didn't have them, I think I'd be more worried than I have them. And I think it's good. I think it's a good motivator. But it's like everything you do. Like I remember the first NBA game I ever did.

I was so nervous. My voice must've been so high. And then the first close game you did that it's like this great fight to the finish, I was hyperventilating as the game is going on, trying to keep up with it. Then it's the first close playoff game you do. So each step that you take

in terms of the magnitude of the game, you need to do it, at least for me, you need to do it a few times before you really feel comfortable. But what's always helped me, whether it's a huge game, whether it's just a regular season game it's, uh, just a regular season, um, game that doesn't have a lot of meaning. If you go in prepared, if you're fully prepared, um, then you can relax knowing that whatever happens, at least you'll know how to deal with

it. And that's, that's what, that's what's always kept my confidence is that my preparation allows me to feel confident when I go on the air. Yeah. So what does preparing look like for you? I think some people out there think that announcers are just, they're handed a big sheet of paper with all the stats that they have to read off. And that's it. Then they just go and they commentate on what they see. But when you're preparing for a game,

how much time does it take? And what do you do specifically to prepare? No, that's basically it. I get handed the sheet. Yeah. No, they eat. I tend to, and I'm sure every announcer will tell you this, you tend to over prepare. I think of all the stuff that you do, if maybe you get 15% of that preparation on the year, that's a lot. And the way I like to phrase it on a basketball game is, okay, so each player, like in an NBA game now,

there are 13 active players on each team for that game. What I want to do is I want to have, if any of those 13 players, either the best player or the 13th, has the game of their life, I want to be able to have enough information on them to tell their story in terms of where they are in their career, what they've done, where they've come from. And that's part of the preparation for me for an NBA game.

Yeah. Now, I would assume the answer is no, but are you ever preparing time filler blowout talking points? Do you ever go to a game, you don't want it to be a blowout, but in the back of your head you're like, if it is, we could talk about this or that, or is it all just kind of stream of consciousness, whatever's happening? No, that's pretty much every that's part of the preparation. Oh, and like to have, like for me with players, I like to have personal anecdotes about players. So when, when a game gets out of hand, at least you can do is you can kind of talk about their upbringing, where they came from, or their history in terms of clutch games, or whatever kind of information you want.

And the other thing I try and do is league issues. You know, have there been a lot of traveling calls lately? What's the reason for that? And even different things like other NBA things that are going on, like a rash of technicals or whatever. But I try and have some league issue stuff on the side and personal anecdotes on the side in case it gets like that. Yeah. Has your job become more difficult with replay? Big, not because obviously replay helps get the calls, right? But the pauses in the game and you guys having

to sit there while they look over video for three, four minutes in the middle of an intense playoff environment, has that made it more difficult to broadcast? I don't know if it's made it more difficult. I think it hurts the product a little bit. It's become a necessary evil and they're certainly not going back to no replay. But there are certain times that the flow of the game is affected. And that's when the game's at its best, the end of a game where they're just going back and forth and back and forth and when it stops with the replays.

Now the league did address that a couple of years ago and they did change some of the replays, especially the out of bounds. If you remember, they used to have last two minutes, every out of bounds call they could review and they did. They fortunately, they got rid of bounds. If you remember, they used to have last two minutes, every out of bounds goal they could review. And they did. They, fortunately, um, they got rid of that. So they're trying to do a better job. And I think it's worked, but those games, especially a playoff game where it's like a three, four minute review, those are maddening to me. It's like, okay, if it's going to take this long, just go with the initial call and move on and everybody will accept that. And I think players and everybody will accept that.

And I think players and coaches would accept that as well. Yeah, I agree. It does. It gets stretched out sometimes and you're just like, okay, we see what the call should be. Why is it taking them so long to make that announcement? I'm curious to know, because you've seen so much of the NBA, you've watched all the best players up close.

Who's the guy that you got, maybe it's a current player, maybe it's a former player, that you would get the most excited to do his game, to be able to sit front row and watch this guy play? You know, it changes every year. Like this year, Juan Bonilla, I couldn't wait to do one of his games because I've never seen anything like it. You know, same thing in the last couple of years, like when Donchich first came in, like, oh, I got a Dallas game, good, I can see this amazing player. Obviously, Kobe was every game there

was something electric about him. He just had something. And Michael as well. I think the current guys now, the two guys that you can't wait to see, and even at their age that they're playing, LeBron James and Steph Curry. The two of them, there's never an off night in terms of their focus and their effort in what they bring, and they know their responsibility too of the people who are paying a lot of money to come see them play in particular.

So there's a lot of them. Tim Duncan was another one that, even though he wasn't flashy, just how in such a business-like fashion he would just obliterate his opponent and never change his expression. So there's so many of them like that and that's why. I mean I know this sounds corny guys but it's such an honor to call these games and a privilege. These guys work so hard to play and get to the level that you want to get it right. I feel you have a responsibility to get their moment right by a call that's worthy of the

play. Yeah. So that makes me think, have you ever gotten it wrong? Have you ever disappointed yourself and then gone back home and been like, damn it, Mike Breen, what did you just do? Oh, all the time. I mean, I make mistakes every night. I've been doing that. I've been making mistakes every night for 30 years plus, but it's the end of game ones. There was a game, was it last year? Game one of the playoffs where Jason Tatum hit a big shot at the end. And I can, I mean, I butchered the call so badly because I didn't see it correctly. And I didn't sink it with the clock and it just, it was an absolute mess.

I didn't sleep that night. And part of it is you ruin the call for the player. So here's this big moment. You ruined the call. The other thing is, you know, basketball is a team sport to play, it's a team sport to broadcast and I felt like I let the rest of the crew down because we had up until then it was an amazing game and we had all the right replays and graphics and sound bites and and Jeff and Mark who were my partners were outstanding down the stretch of this close

game with strategy. I thought I was having one of my best games and then the last play I just killed it. And it was awful, awful. Here's a business idea for you. Why don't you just have a service where you'll redo any of the mistakes for a little fee? Maybe then, whoops, Mike Breen's losing it a little. He's messing up a couple of calls.

Oh, Jason Tatum, you want this call redone? No problem, I got you. It's like cameo. Yeah. Just for. He's messing up a couple calls. Oh, Jason Tatum, you want this call redone? No problem. I got you It's like cameo. Yeah, the players calls that you screwed up. Yeah as always coming up with business ideas like this, I need I need that kind of Thought process sure we get a cut of that That should have been you should have read the fine print before you got into this interview any business idea we come up with we get At least 15% if you triple bang, I'm going to send my lawyers after you. Triple bang is for sure. We're getting, we're wetting the beak on that one.

It's become like the razor wars where it's like the first company said we've got two razors and the other company said, how about three razors? I think- About four. I think you're going to triple bang at some point. Yeah, you will. I think you just, you want to say you're not going to, but I think there's gonna be a moment

that you're just not gonna be able to stop yourself. Well, again, and I'm not just saying it, it comes out. If there's an NBA finals, game seven, that's decided by a three pointer, I might lose it completely on some level. Yeah, it might be like 10 bangs. You just might, that might be the only word that you say for the rest of your life a triple bang might sound better than a double Bang, I haven't I haven't tried it. Yeah a bang bang bang had that sound that sounds good

So right to me bang bang bang bang. There's gonna be a pause in between them. All right, give us a triple bang right now No them. All right. Give us a triple bang right now. No, you're smart. You're smart. You're smart guy. Don't waste it. Yeah. No, yeah. We would have definitely dubbed that over every, every like clank. Yeah. I think the three bangs would have to increase in excitement. So you start out with a normal bang louder and then screaming, just yelling your face off at the third bank. Yeah. Nice little crescendo. Yeah. Yeah. Um, can you tell us just how crazy the malice of the palace was from your point of view? Because, uh, I think we're at the point now where it's been over 20 years and everyone knows it, but there's a new crop

of sports fans that don't understand just how insane it was watching. I remember watching it live and being like, what is going on right now? And you were there calling the game. Just how nuts was it to see that? By the way, I was calling the game with Bill. Bill and Gray was our sideline. And I remember, I've never seen Bill so upset from something that happened on the court. He felt he was wounded on how he felt this look for the league and the sport that he loved so much. He was really, really, really down after that.

And we were up, we stayed up to like two or three in the morning talking about the game. And he just couldn't believe that that's something happened on national TV because it was it was in person it was uglier than when you watch it on television and the reason was every time it seemed like the security and the refs got a handle on it something worse happened and then more and even like when the players went into the stands it was like I don't believe we're actually watching this. And even when they finally got them off, there were some more skirmishes and it just seemed like it wouldn't end.

But the thing that worried me the most was we were on the opposite side of the benches. The crowd started coming down en masse. And that's what was worried. Is the crowd going to come down and start more of this and attacking? And then there's nobody that could possibly break it up. There's not enough security to break that up. And that was worrisome to me, this mob mentality that you felt was developing.

And I'll never forget, I've told this story a bunch, when the Pacers, they were trying to get them off the court and to go to the visiting locker room It's a narrow little hallway with the stands like right above So if you're in this one part of the stands you can almost reach down and touch their head And I remember when the players were trying to get off there was a woman who was Really nicely dressed like dressed like she was going out to dinner and she was like standing right there Amidst these guys who were just screaming and yelling and cursing.

And I'm thinking to myself, oh my God, this poor woman is in the midst of this mess. And all of a sudden she takes out a full bottle of water and just heaves it at one of the players' heads. And that's, to me, that was like, okay, this woman would have never done anything like that, but she got caught up in this mob mentality that everybody's emotions just ran amok. And that's, to me, that was the scariest part of the whole thing. It was, it was like something you hope will never

happen again, but while watching it, just like, what is it? You're right. Like it was just the waves of it. Whereas like, oh man, there's another person, there's another person, there's another guy. Oh, there's turtle from entourage. He just got knocked out. I actually thought you did a very good job of telling people what was going on as it was happening, because in a situation like that, it's just such chaos in the building. You still were like, you got a job to do, Mike. You have to tell people exactly what's going on, who's in the stands, who's on the court, what's happening. Was that a conscious decision you made in the moment?

I'm going to stand here. I'm going to just kind of be like a play-by-play announcer for a giant brawl. Well, I give credit to that time the Knicks had been involved in a number of different brawls. So it wasn't the first one. I talked before about how the first time you experience something on the air, you kind of have to navigate and sometimes make mistakes

the first time and then you get better each time. Well, I got better with each basketball brawl. And by this time I had done a few of them. And I remember, I can't remember where I first heard it from, but they said, when something like that happens, do play by play, just do the play by play. Talk about what you see. It's obviously not basketball.

It's a fight. And that's what I tried to do on that particular night. Yeah. I'm also curious to know from your point of view how the game... So the game basketball has obviously changed a lot in the last 20, 30 years. How has the announcing game changed? That's a great question. Great question. Thank you.

First off, the technology in terms of coverage and the amount of cameras and the ability of the cameras to catch every little thing really gives you a better insight and feel of specific plays in depth look at, you know, whether fouls are called, etc. It's just, I'm amazed by the technology. I do think the analytics has just gone crazy. And they're great for the game. They're great for the fan. But trying to find a balance between, okay, let's do some numbers, but let's not get crazy with numbers because too much numbers, the spoken word can just get all mangled up into one thing.

So I think that's two of the ways that it's changed. You know, I think another thing, if you look back at old, any sport, and I'm sure you guys have seen this, you go back to an older game broadcast in the 70s or the 80s. And often you don't think the announcers are that excited. It was a much more a calmer way of calling the game, even big moments.

Yeah, they raised their level a little bit, but the calls have become much more high intensity than they ever used to. Compare a 1970s or 80s call of a finals game or a Super Bowl and then compare it to now, it's different in a lot of cases. And I think that's a big part that it's become okay. In fact, it's become a good way to show you're excited as much of a fan. Back in the old days, you wouldn't do that because you'd sound like a fan now. It's I think it's it's more

Encouraged and I think fans like that but that you're excited or as excited as they are sometimes on a big flood Yeah I mean I love like the home broadcast whether it be for basketball or baseball where it's like you can kind of mix That the guys are rooting for the same thing that you're rooting for. For you, the Knicks, and then you call the Knicks all during the regular season, then you got to call them in the playoffs. Was that difficult? And did you get any, were Knicks fans mad at you because you are their voice and they listen to you all regular season, now you're in the playoffs and you have to

call it down the middle where did you find yourself slipping at all or was there was there any moments you're like oh man I kind of hope I kind of hope the Knicks win this game. Yeah no I hope not on the air but we you know I know some Nick fans are upset like Nimhar hit a big three to win a game game three gets the Pacers And he got a bang there and Nick fans were like mad that I did a bang for an opponent. Pacer fans were very upset. They felt we were way too pro Nick and rooting for the Knicks. You know, I went back and especially on games like that, I don't do it a lot, but I went

back and watched the games to see if I felt there was bias because I'd like to think I'm my harshest critic and I didn't see that. So I felt good about it, but I know, you know, there's always people that think that that you're rooting one for one way or the other for whoever the team is. Yeah. It's also just got to be difficult for you just sitting there because you're sitting in, you know, MSG and you've been doing it all year and then you're watching the same team that you know so well. It's like kind of hard to not have something slip out. It's a testament to you and your professionalism. But I would definitely just

be like, yeah, I'm rooting for the Knicks. I'm a Knicks fan. What do you want me to say? Like I want to keep calling Knicks games. I've done enough of them over the years and there's so much to concentrate on in terms of the actual job that it's not as hard as you think. I'm sure there's some people that will disagree, but I'd like to think we did a nice unbiased down the middle call. What about Luka? We were talking with Rachel Nichols last week about Luka Doncic and how he likes to get in the refs here. He likes to get in everybody's ear. When he's yelling at the refs, is he yelling in, was it Slovenian or is he yelling in English?

I think he mixes it up. He's trying to get better. He was really bad, probably the worst in the league for a couple of years, but he's really trying to get better. There was a game recently where he started to get mad and he stopped and he went up to the ref, he had his hands together like he was praying like, please, I just want to talk to you. I don't want to yell. I want to talk to you. He's working on it. You know,

sometimes we do forget these guys are so young. It's like, I can imagine me 22 being in that kind of hostile atmosphere, the pressure of playing against the best in the world. It's hard not to get emotional. And, um, I think he's gotten better at it and hopefully that'll continue because man, he is, he is a generational player. Uh, so competitive and, um, JJ Reddick, who now is one of my partners on ESPN and ABC, he played with them. And because Luke is pretty close to the vest with the media, it's hard to kind of get close and get to know what he's really like.

JJ says he's one of the best teammates he's ever been around. The guy is like so normal off the court and just an encouraging, supportive teammate. So what was your advice to JJ when he told you last week that he was going to leave and take the Lakers job after these NBA finals? So when the word came out, we've been having a lot of fun with him. You know, it's clearly a compliment that he's thought of these jobs, I'd be so happy for you, and I'd root like crazy for you, and I would never talk to you again. Yeah.

Yeah, he would collect all the stones of being one of the most hated people, being a Duke guy and a Laker at the same time. You need to keep him around, because when JJ Reddick sits next to you, people will just naturally be like, I like that other guy who's not JJ Reddick, because you know, just years of just having all this hate build up in us for JJ Reddick, you can't help it. You're just like, yeah, shut up, JJ Reddick. Let Mike Breen talk. You know, he has he has amazing stories about when he played at Duke. And it wasn't easy,

to say the least, there was there's some mean, cruel, ugly crowds that he had to deal with. And the amount of mental toughness to be able to deal with that and play at the level he played while he was at Duke, I find remarkable. And now getting to know him, the guy is just, he's got such a brilliant basketball mind. And what I love is he loves the game as much as any player that I've ever been around. And that combination is pretty cool to be around. All right. We're going to cut that part is we're not, we're not, we're not complimenting

JJ on this podcast. I wanted to go back to a name that you mentioned earlier, uh, Michael K who's the voice of the Yankees who was your good friend at Fordham and did you ever I mean do you guys pinch yourself being like we were sitting you know at the freshman dorms or wherever it may be at Fordham saying oh we want to be the the voice of the Knicks and the voice of the Yankees and then it happened like that's crazy that happened well the first part did happen and we would we would say that that happened. Well, the first part did happen. And we would, we would say that, that's like, what, what, if you could pick any job, what would you want to be? And his was the Yankees and mine was the Knicks and mine was the Knicks. And you know, it's, we do, we talk about it a lot. We realize how blessed we are. We can't believe it. I'm so proud of him. And

We can't believe it. I'm so proud of him and how long he's been there. I mean, it's just incredible that maybe the number one franchise in all of sports and he's been there for so many years and has done such a fantastic job. So it's the odds of that happening, I think are probably small, but we do talk about it and we realized how lucky we are. Yeah, it's pretty cool. When you were a kid, did you have you know, we were talking about an athlete the other week that wrote down, like, I will be an NFL football player in the draft, and then put it up on the wall of his house. Did you want to be a professional athlete, or did you want to be a broadcaster for sports?

Oh, no, I wanted to be a major league baseball player. I wanted to play for the Mets. The skinny kid, so Bud Harrelson was my favorite player. So every uniform that I wore, little league and I think even in high school when I played baseball, always wanted to get number three. So that was it. But I was, I have a lot of faults. But one strength I have is I'm very well aware of my limitations that I do very early. I had no shot. Yeah. Yeah.

You're this high school kid with a booming voice and your coach is probably like, have you ever thought about talking about sports instead of playing them? Like, when did you realize you had a good voice? Yeah. I never realized that. And you know what? That's another part of the question you asked before, if I can go sideways for a second. Yeah.

There was a time in the industry where if you didn't have those golden pipes that, you know, so many, you didn't get a job. And now you don't have to have the golden pipes, you just have to be able to project and have a voice that cuts through the sound and stuff like that. But I never felt I had that that kind of that kind of, you know, deep pipes that they that they talk about. I just I didn't start thinking about it till it was like 16 or 17 because a neighborhood friend was working at a college radio station and he gave he kind of put the bug in my ears guy Tony met a cola in the occurs where I I grew up and that's the first time I thought about doing it. Tony Metticola. Yeah, what a name. Great name. Yeah. What did you ever have to like lose the New York accent? Oh yeah. Yeah.

I still listen. If I get tired, it'll come out like the G on ing words. They're nowhere to be found when I start to get tired. And every once in a while there's there's other words that come out, but I tried to have I've tried to once in a while, there's other words that come out. But I've tried to work on it. So did you have to practice that? No, not really. Just more enunciate. That was my biggest flaw,

was that I didn't fully enunciate words. I'd leave off the last letter of some words and just get a little lazy, I guess. Yeah. What's the dumb, probably dumb question, what's the best arena to call a game in? Is it is, because you know, we asked that about,

we asked that with athletes all the time, like what's the toughest place to play? Is there a best and a toughest place to call a game at? There's a number of arenas that are just off the charts, that it's just, you feel it in your bones when you're sitting there. Madison Square Garden is right up there. There is no better place when it's a big event. Yeah. Whether it's basketball, whether it's hockey, even like a concert, there's just no better place. The old Chicago Stadium was the loudest

building I've ever been in. You could be sitting next to, right next to the person and when the Bulls fans were going crazy, I could be screaming and you wouldn't hear a word I say. Oracle Arena in the Golden State Old Arena was as loud as they come. The TD Garden is fantastic right now, the one in Boston. Oklahoma City, it's like a college crowd there. Yeah, yeah.

Is there any bad ones? Not bad in terms of the crowd, but in terms of the setup where it's like, ah, the sight lines or it's a little bit more difficult. I got to be on my A game tonight. Well, when you do national games, the sight lines are the same. Mid-court, court side. Fantastic. Ask for better. What's changed in the industry, and here's another part of the other answer. They've now moved the local broadcasts, both radio and TV in a number of arenas up above the first level. And that can be hard. There's some really rough ones where you're way up and you wind up doing a lot of the game off the monitor as opposed to watching it in person. You're there in the arena and you're doing the game off the monitor.

I think there's like 13 arenas now where they have us way up and it's unfortunate. I think it compromises the product. It's not good for the fans who are watching at home because we can't do as good a job. But it's all about selling the seats down low where we used to be for a lot of money. What about the meal situation? Is there one team that's known to hook you guys up with some real choice cuts? Good question.

Thank you. Well, if you've been doing this a long time, you know that that's not only a good question, it's one of the most important questions. Because I like to eat at the arena when I get there. And when you have good food at a media dining, as they call it, dining's depending on where you go, perhaps not the right word, there's no question.

We talk about that all the time. We rate who's got the best, who's not the best. Like we just in Boston, Boston has a great one. Just a great one. And Dallas is another one that has one of the better mealworms too. What's your pregame meal? Is it something that you stick to or are you a creature of habit where you have the same thing before every... or do you just kind of mix it up depending where you are? I'll eat anything. I have my appetite is whatever's available.

And that includes as much dessert as possible. In fact, JJ was making fun of me. He goes, how could you eat dessert before a game? And I say, how can you not eat dessert? Such a dupe guy. See, isn't he the worst? He's the worst. Oh.

All right, well, so Mike, this has been so awesome. I have one last question for you. It's the row back question, r-h-o-b-a-c-k.com. Promo code take, 20% off your first purchase. Q-zips, polos, hoodies, joggers, shorts, rowback.com promo code take. So you have called so many NBA games. You're, you are the voice of the NBA. That's how I introduced you here. And I do believe that. You've also called the Olympics. I, I, I would love, I gotta go try to find, track it down. You called ski jumping?

How was that? Was that like, what do they even do in ski? They just jump, right? It was one of the coolest things I've ever done. And the thing is here, I'm the announcer on ski jumping. I was never on skis in my life at that point, but they gave me an analyst, a guy named Jeff Hastings, who was an American ski jumper.

And he took all care of the technology. I'd basically say who the jumper was, where he was from, his record, his history, and all that kind of stuff. And then the guy would take off and Jeff would take over. And he could see if this was going to be a good one or a bad one, how deep it was, how high it was, all that kind of stuff. And, and it was really fun because I took it from a standpoint of a novice. I didn't know anything about it. So the questions I asked him, you know, anybody who is an idiot

about skiing, that's what the game that they were going to ask that. And that's what I asked because I didn't know any better and I felt it was like I was actually really proud of that because I took it from a standpoint of I'm a viewer who does not know the sport and I have a chance to ask him this but a part of the thing that was so hard is you never you couldn't do it live what we would do is you'd sit there and you'd watch 30 guys go off. And NBC wouldn't have all 30 guys on their coverage. It'd only take 10. So they would take the top 10 scores. We'd go into a studio and now we'd have to announce it like it was live going up. And I could have cheated, you know, if I knew this guy was going to good,

I could have said, you know, I just get the feeling this is going to be a special jump. Yeah. But I didn't do it. And Jeff didn't do it. And but it was interesting trying to to manufacture the enthusiasm on a big jump like that when we knew whether he finished second or he finished 43rd. Yeah, did you did you bang it all then? Or no? No, no, no, I mean awesome. Oh that would have been a fake crash not a fake What they hit like a big one? I don't even know what a big one is called the ski jump But they hit the big one you just give them a bang. Well can bang go in any other sports Could you use it in any other sports? I?

suppose We should think boxing. Yeah, feel like boxing would be a good one. Doxing. Big good. I did the NFL for a number of years, long time ago and maybe on a, on a, a great catch in the end zone. I don't know. You feel goal long field goal. Yeah. Long field goal would work. Really? Field goal. Yeah. Game winning field goal bang works. Bang a field goal. Right. Now do you do it like soon soon as it goes through the crossbars, do you wait till the hands go up? I mean, it's.

I think you go hands. Yeah, yeah. You wait for hands. You can't miss that bang. If it looks like it's good and it's short, and the refs don't, you can't prematurely bang. Yeah. Yeah.

No bang. Is there any other sport that you would like to do? Are you just going to be basketball for the rest of your life? Um, yeah, I've been kind of a one-trick pony. I I Think I'd love to do Because I'm a huge met fan. I would love to do a med game someday. Oh You you could bang you could bang a third strike for sure You could bang a third strike for sure. Home run?

Yeah. Yeah. We should do a broadcast, Mike Breen and Frank the Tank. Oh. Get a color guy for you. Yeah. Do you know Frank the Tank? Are you aware of Frank the Tank?

Yes, I'm aware of Frank the Tank. You are. I mean, everyone is. You can't be a new... I think that's the only... You're not a New Yorker if you don't know who Frank the Tank is. But no, I think... What else?

I love golf. So I would love to I would love to love to do a golf golf broadcast someday. Use my voice. Yeah, careful with that. That's when we that's when everyone started hating Joe Buck again, because they already hated him and then they started hating him again after that. Well, it's funny, like you asked about do you have haters? And you really do after a while. You develop a thin skin and you're like, you don't worry about it. And one thing that I think, I think Joe Buck is one of the most talented people who've

ever done this. The guy is phenomenal at any sport. One of the greats of all time on the the Mount Rushmore, whatever you wanna say. So if he gets criticism, anybody could get criticism. Yeah, he told us one time he peed in a bottle during a game, because he had to go. Have you ever done that? It's probably harder for you,

because you're not up in the booth. Joe went there, I don't think people need to know that. Yeah, yeah, we know, we love Joe, he's a friend of ours. He's also addicted to hair plugs, so we should plug that for him Almost took his voice away. Yeah. Yeah, he's got a big head. He's got a lot to cover Go has a big head. Yeah, he's got a big head. It's pretty big. It's big for it. Yeah for a size What oh we got it

Nick's fans are just like circling outside of our office being like Oh Mike Breen's on the call We got it. So you have a lot of fans in this office. If you call Bulls game next year, we'd love to have you come by. Maybe you could call us playing five on five and that would be probably the end of your career. But I promise I will come by. It's it's you guys are so much fun. I I'm honored to be on. Yeah. All right. Well, thanks so much, Mike. We love you and we're excited for the finals and for you to give us great finals. Thank you guys. Thank you very much.

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what about the John Daly challenge John Daly challenge oh yeah don't spoil the video Hank how'd you guys feel the day after terrible I felt concerningly good yeah I didn't feel that bad I want another cigarette yeah I I didn't feel that bad. I want another cigarette. Yeah, I Didn't sleep that night And I felt bad. Oh, it's basically the John not Memorial Day weekend the John daily Yeah, it was a Memorial Day weekend left me with nothing to do with the world's a hangover Really strings hand up out here nothing Do you think maybe the not sleeping had anything to do with the the copious amounts of Adderall you took before the challenge I did take a couple Adderall

prescribed I am prescribed and I Don't really yeah, whatever you just said we were driving up to the suburbs, and he just said to me I'm gonna I gotta take some Adderall because there's no way I'm gonna smoke these cigarettes without it. I don't like smoking I had I know he's just like I was like you want to drive the car I tried to drink like a couple beers cuz I'm I don't really smoke cigs when I do it's I'm like very drunk So I was like maybe I have to you know feel a little alcohol in me only drink when I smoke What was about to say fuck oh And then I was also Adderall makes me mute so I like was just a miserable fuck on the video and you guys

Are you good at golf? Yeah tune in Yeah, I mean that's our don't especially my mom at times. You're good. I So my fire fest was gonna be like I miss smoking cigarettes, yeah, it's a lot so Hank you just had a awesome week This week's flown by well cuz it was only 40. I know awesome week. This week's flown by. Well, cause it was only four days. I know. I feel like this is a shorter week than every other week. Also, at the time of this recording, yeah, it's been three days. Yeah, it's Thursday. Flown by. Tuesday, Wednesday, and most of Thursday. Yeah. That's a short week. I mean, we had a fun week. We did it. We golfed on Monday. We played roofball all day. We got a pop punk tomorrow. It's been an awesome

week. It's been a fun week. It's been an awesome week It's been a fun week been the best weather like today was the best weather possible Which is not a cloud in the sky 72 degrees where sell this or in the finals like life is good All right. Yeah good hank happy for you. I want you to be happy Thank you to a certain extent How's duncan going? It's going well. I trained, I trained four times this week. Well, three so far, one more tomorrow. I'll say it, I'm getting a little nervous.

You do look like you're in better shape. I found a trainer that has his master's degree in fitness. Dunking? So he's like, we're going through a program that is designed for me to dunk and it's I'm doing stuff that I Never would do on my own and it's working so and I think if I just maybe I need to if I just stick to it like and I I've told this guy a million times

He doesn't want to hear it, but once we get to September and it's lock-in time like the steroid conversation will probably happen Wait what is this like special routine that you're in? What kind of exercises is he having you do that you've never thought you'd do yourself? Legs. All of the legs. Feed the wolf. A lot of plyometrics, a lot of jumping stuff, but like just, just, it's also just like gradual increases versus, you know, I'm like, let me put a bunch of weight on and try and do a couple good reps.

It's like lower weight, higher reps, and then the next week you can do more weight. It's obviously for anyone that lifts weight and trains, it's like no shit, dude, but I've never done that. So it's working. Good for you. Good job, Hank. I got a couple of FireFest. My first one was going to be about like the golfing. I really enjoyed smoking the cigarettes. I don't smoke anymore, but now it rocked. It rocked, honestly, smoking cigarettes on the golf course. And I truly miss it. But I'm not going to do it. I'm not going to dive into it.

But that kind of also goes against what I decided to do on last Saturday, which was I just thought to myself, it's time to get back in shape. Got to get in shape before you're 40. Feel like anything you do before you're 40, that's who you're going to be after 40. 40 is like a big cutoff. Wait, but what about our deal? Because I'm with you. I've lost 10 pounds since football season. I've been trying to eat clean. Donnie's been cooking for us, playing basketball. What? I've been cooking those too.

Oh, Hank's been cooking those too. The ones you cook are bad. Well, I just... We think we agreed we were going to get some tomatoes for Donnie, but. We're going to get in great shape at 40 and then just get fat again. Then get fat, real fat right afterwards. Yeah, I mean, yeah, I mean for that. I don't want to, but that's what I'm saying. Like if I'm in shape the day I turn 40, I can get fat and then get back in shape, no problem. What weight are we hitting? I said 220, which is crazy. So right now I'm at 183, but it's bad 183. So I gotta lose like 10 pounds and then gain 15 pounds back.

So I wanna end up at 190, but a good 190. I was like 247. Fucking jacked 190. 50, 247.50 floating after football season. I'm like 235-ish. That's pretty good. Floating seven, eight. That's not bad.

So to accomplish this. I lose like 20 more pounds. To accomplish this, I decided to start intermittent fasting. Yeah. So you do, I only eat between noon and 8 p.m. Didn't eat any wings tonight. Didn't eat a single wing tonight. It's very mean that you guys ordered wings after I told you I wasn't eating after eight, my favorite food in the entire

world. But I've kind of put a twist on it because I think with intermittent fasting, you can just eat whatever the fuck you want between noon and eight, right? So I'm trying a new diet that I think I invented, which is strictly uncrustables. So I've had, I had four uncrustables on Tuesday. I had four on Wednesday. I had two today and I look thinner. I think I'm just going to eat. That's it. I think I'm going to eat uncrustables just only on no wings. No, but I'm saying that's all like that's your intake of the day. Yeah.

Yeah. Two uncrustables, no wings. Well, four. Yeah. My meal plan, there's no breakfast. My meal plan is I eat four uncrustables no wings well for yeah my about for my meal plan there's no breakfast my meal plan is I eat four uncrustables a day. You didn't have a jambalaya today? yeah but that was I also had the two uncrustables. That was a roofball jambalaya. That's totally different. You didn't have any pizza at pop punk practice? No I didn't Max. Andy also didn't have any wings. You narc. I was just what I mean we were chatting. No we were chatting but no I did not I did not and then memes Is over here raining on my parade being like oh you can't drink coffee

How have you of all people not gonna have a wing I didn't have any wings What are you talking about? I have a single wing no way that's that's hard to believe I watched him He went and sniffed him. He looked at him. It was very sad I was like if you ever Jake back me up on this did I have a wing today? No wings no wings jake never lie pug you were in kitchen. You were in the kitchen. Did PFT have any wings? I did not see PFT have any wings Pug. Thank you Pug. Nice. Honest men Why'd you say that so funny? Yeah, but no, I think I think that there's something to the uncrustable diet I think that the uncrustable is probably the perfect snack the perfect meal the perfect everything

I did not have an unccrustable until I was, it was like two years ago I had my first one. Changed my life. Yeah, oh yeah. Overnight. They're incredible. I mean, we just kind of talked about it, but since I'm like a fitness expert now,

what about protein? Peanut butter, there's peanut butter in Uncrustable. No, he said he didn't have any wings. Greens. There's purple in Uncrustable. Purple is a green. PFT. Purple is a vegetable. You saw the wings, do you think they tasted good if you you saw them?

I mean, I can't imagine I don't I have no idea. Yeah, I would have no I had one It was hot as fuck you tricked me with it wasn't that hot Pussy you tricked me with one that looked like a barbecue wing and I almost died. Oh, that was natural hot Yeah, it was hot. Yeah, I can't I can't even begin to imagine what the wings tasted like I didn't have a single wing, no. No, he did not have one. He did not have one. He had a bite of one.

No, he did not have one or a bite of one. Did you have two? No, he did not have two. Did you have three? I didn't have a wing. I didn't have a wing. But yeah, dude, fuck it. I think that the Uncrustable Diet, some dietician out there, tell me that I'm right I just need one person to write dietitian if you were like one years old

I think you'd be in the clear you're right. No you think one year olds eat uncrustables. Oh, I don't know Yeah, not one year olds, but like two three mine. Yeah, mine if you eat uncrossed Yeah, guys, my one year old does it's the new diet. It's called Eat How You Dress. And I dress like a six year old. Dress with no crust? No, I dress like a six year old. Dress like a chicken wing? Most frequently.

No, I dress like three chicken wings. Or four. No. Anyways, me and Big Cat are going to be fucking jacked up. Dude, we are. Like, listen, can people be supportive? I know that I've said this many times before but I like 40 is

It's kind of fucking my head up. Yeah, and I would like to just be in Decent shape I'd spent my 30s being a fat fuck Working a lot. Let's get to 40 and and just be beasts and then we're gonna be like 40 and a half and be fat again That's fine. As long as we kiss the wall. Just kiss the wall. Say we got there. Yeah. We could get there again if we wanted to.

That's what I'm saying. Right. If you get there by the time you're 40, then when you're 45, oh, I was in good shape when I was 40. Let's go back to Uncrustables in three rings. Exactly. I'm just going to eat seven Uncrustables a day and get jacked.

That's a good business idea. Like, what if there's Uncrustables with protein in them? Yeah. Like, Uncrustables for the guy that works out hard. Yeah. That lifts heavy. Yeah. That's what I business idea. Like what if there's Uncrustables with protein in them? Yeah. Like Uncrustables for the guy that works out hard, that lifts heavy. Yeah. That's what I'm talking about.

So please be supportive. We're going to be 40. We should take pictures, before and after. Well, I guess we're just taking pictures all the time. You'll see us. When you see us in Super Bowl week, it's going to be fucking on. We might actually go topless all Super Bowl week. What does the intermittent fasting thing say about about drinking beers?

I don't know. I would venture to say most my beer consumption is post- Isn't fasting just food? I don't think it qualifies when you're like enjoying yourself. By the way. When you're having a good time? If you're having a good time, get a smile on. Super Bowl I thought of a bet for our season-long contest. I don't know how many bars there are on Bourbon Street But the loser has to put on a GoPro and just get a drink from every single. Yep There's probably like 50 Probably way more actually there my guess I'm in I don't think you would do that. I would have to. It's 30, 30 bars. All right. Well, we'll figure it out. I mean, it would be funny.

Maybe do man on the street. It would be funny. All right. We have a lot of time to decide that. All right. I have two firefests. My first fire fest is next week. And I'm going to 60. Sorry, there's 60 bars. 60 bars. That's a lot of drinks. That's too many drinks. Next week I'm going to Belmont at Saratoga and the Fire Fest. I'm excited to go there, but you guys, I think some of you guys are going to be going to see the Red Stars play at Wrigley. Oh yeah. Yeah. So the NWSL, they sent us some kits. The NWSL is hot right now. They're playing a game at Wrigley on Saturday. So that's next Saturday. The Red Stars are playing. So shout out Nike for the gear. Hank's going to grab his right now. He's going to rep it on Saturday. So see you all there. I'm a big Washington Spirit fan.

A soccer game at Wrigley is going to be awesome. Yeah, you have, I think they gave you some. Oh, sick. Dennis Rodman's daughter, Trinity Rodman. She's awesome. These are sick jerseys. Okay, okay. That's an awesome jersey. The Red Stars. All right, so Hank, you gonna go?

Yep. Wrigley, Saturday, Red Stars are playing the National Women's Soccer League. So, ooh, look at that. Oh, that's a Washington. This is a Washington one. Okay, here you go. This is Chicago.

Oh, we just did a kit. We just did a, oh, jerseys, jerseys. Wait, no. Oh yeah, no, I want one of the DC and you take one of the Chicago. Hold it up, hold them up. Okay. Here we go.

Yeah, I'm trying to just cross off every Wrigley event that exists. I love it. You know they event that exists. I love it. You know they do like top golf. I did it. I won. Oh nice, of course you won. Was it awesome?

It was stupid of me. Yeah, it was really cool. All right, my other Fire Fest is, I share some stuff about my kids. I think there's a good amount of dads that listen to Pardon My Take, cause we're aging. We're about to be 40. I'm now in the questions I can't answer phase with my son and it's getting increasingly difficult.

Can I throw some of them at you guys? Yesterday, you asked me what blueberries are made of. Blue. That's what I said. Blue. He didn't really take that for an answer. Seeds. He also asked me, when you die. Do you become alive again? How do you yeah? No, that's actually a good question. Yeah Dogs someone in his class is talking about death incarnation. I don't want that kid around my son

You know what a good thing to do is you got to answer those questions with a question you get just gotta say why do You ask just yeah that that Yeah, that doesn't work. Get like more childlike on him. Why? No, his move is he goes, you're the adult, why don't you know? That's a good point. He dropped that on me tonight. It's a valid point. You bust out the Bible on him.

Just go Bible? Yeah. Just read him a passage and be like, this is your answer. And don't be like, what? The answer's in this book. Yeah. Just read him a passage and be like, this is your answer. And don't be like, what? You had the answers in this book. Yeah. Read it. Read it. Uh, what's stronger? Our house or our car house? Is it though? Yeah, that's an easy one. Car could hit you. Yeah. But if the car hit your house, the car would break. The house would still stay. The car to the house doesn't move. the car moves. It's a weapon The house is like an offensive lineman and the cars like a linebacker, okay All right that works and then the last one he had was he asked me if his younger brother who's won when he? Starts speaking will he speak in English or Spanish that one confused the fuck out of me

You got to teach your one-year-old Spanish Where do we get this one? That one confused the fuck out of me. You gotta teach your one year old Spanish. Just like what? Like where do we get this one from? What the fuck? Whatever he chooses. He's just like which one is he gonna be doing? Did you hit the SAP button on this thing? Yeah I'm in that phase. Yeah when he responds with you're the adult tell me. Oh also what are spider webs made out of?

Ugh. I said cum. Yeah spider cum. Yeah. That actually is my fire test. He asked what that was. Spider cum? spider webs made out of Said come yeah spider come yeah That actually he asked what that was yeah spider come no spiders are back with a friend. Oh, yeah, you got a lot of spiders And I think it's with a vengeance just fucking spray him do I have they keep coming like that's the problem blow torch them I Ordered I ordered some smelling things that apparently might keep them away So is it still contained on your balcony?

I've taken them out. I took my last year got rid of them and then a couple weeks ago Saw some webs brumed them out and then last weekend like I went out last night and there was their back So it's like they're fighting back, and now I'm worried that they're mobilizing and like gonna, in, in. They're mobilizing? 100% they are. They're talking to each other, yeah.

They're gonna invade. What about, what was that book? Charlotte's Web, Get a Pig. No, they'll become best friends. Did that end up well? Charlotte died. Fuck. Yeah. But the pig, I think, lived.

Oh, speaking of Charlotte. Until he became bacon. speaking of Charlotte until he became bacon speaking of Charlotte have you guys heard the news the stingray update no I only get it from you this is the only this fucking aquarium a journalist went there being like wins this fucking stingray gonna squirt out the pups and you know what the aquarium did they called the cops on the journalists oh wow and now they're now they're muting all the comments yeah I know yeah there's some fishies going on at the aquarium that's what I'm saying damn that's he was right by the way we should have mentioned on Tuesday

show RIP Harambe eight years yeah eight year anniversary gone too soon all right Jake finish off yeah I have a new addiction oh a few years pussy oh it was a nasal spray yeah cocaine mmm no oh oh mushrooms cuz you were in a hamster no no no oh prostitutes yeah there you go Jake I don't like you get wet stuff do it mr. position haha come on Jake This one I actually think is rate relatable to you guys, but no free ads But a certain snack company has been sending a lot of their product I'll say yeah, I'll say not dots the thoughts pretzels because after after the interview with McShay

I was like I would stand on the table in terms of snacks in my war room for dots pretzels Yeah, also. I do want them to advertise with us Can dots can you please send us some of the pork rinds because those are no carbs and they are so good I haven't had those. Oh my god, they're cinnamon sugar pretzels are the most addicting thing I've ever had I went to the store the other day Jake. You also haven't had any drugs, right? But still zero addiction. I've never been addicted to a snack more than this and It's it's crack now. It's crying is crazy. Yeah, they're all good. They're so advertised with us dots Yeah, we'll never do it. We'll never say your name again after giving you yeah

We're never saying thousands of dollars never say advertising also send us the pork rinds Yeah, so it's been, I gotta watch myself. But they're delicious. They are good. You're fine. I don't know. I hoard those things on airplanes too. You want a small thing of pretzels?

Yeah, I'll take three. Yeah. I'll just put them in my pocket. Yeah. Have them later. We're gonna start smelling Jake's fingers. I already do Pussy or dots game we play with Jake every morning. It's always Monday's

What do you got max you're saying something you're about to say some By your father's day merch. Yes last day last day. You got to buy it now and you'll get it in time for Father's Day We have a ton of awesome stuff in this one's or they'll shout out all the dads also Kyrie's dad great Hey get those shirts out of right next to the camera great great Father's Day this year US Open final round Nope final round right next to the big cats camera. Yeah at Pinehurst at Pinehurst. We played that All right, Hank looks at shirt. You should get that shirt. That's not that's so blue. That's my yep. Nope Thank you, that's a coat right the thing is wait, yeah, someone made that for me isn't looking or awesome. No. Oh Yeah, we're selling sport coats for my coffee company Max has to come in here and do everything for Hank

Look at that. Max. Oh, I actually wore this shirt today. Nice. Got a lot of compliments. Nice. New mountains are blue. New mountains are blue. Go buy them. Father's Day merch. Got to buy it now. Go to store.barstoolsports.com. All right. Great show, boys. Let's do what? What are you going to do? Max, go back to your seat.

Go back to your seat. I haven't said anything. Numbers. 18. 20. 3. 6. 8.

56. Ah, shit. He got 56 99 40 2 42 I have 20

Max would you like to trade with me? No but PFT my voice I'm worried Oh Max is singing with us tomorrow night My voice just went right there. Just don't talk. Yeah. Just stop talking. Max, would you like to trade with me?

I'll give you an option. 20 for 56, straight up. No. OK. What was your number, PFT? I did eight. Was everyone else in the booth? 1899.

How many songs is he doing? Three. He's doing one song. I've never seen someone more nervous for something in my entire life. You just did your one-man show in Las Vegas that you spent six months talking about. Literally ruined our life for half a year.

That was, that's what I'm saying though, that was 60 minutes. If it was two. Oh, Hank. 40. Oh my, fuck. 42. 42. Damn. 42. Jordy 40. Oh Hank 42 To

Jordy 40 you were so close should have done it. You were so close I actually was also pretty close because two times 20 is Max you were not close Also, you've never gotten it. Love you guys. I'll be coming for your love of care Take on me Take me on I'll be gone In a day or two Take on an empty heart, too

We need less to say I won't say yes But I'll be stolen away Learn to learn, life is okay Say after me It's no better to be safe than sorry Take on me Take me on

I'll be gone in a day or two How things let me stay Is it a lifeboat just to play my worries away? You're all the things I've got to remember You shine away I'll be coming for you anyway Take on me Take me on

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