Pardon My Take - Mike Florio, College Football Playoffs, Week 18 Picks And Preview And Fyre Fest of The Week

Episode Date: January 3, 2025

The SEC is dead and all the bye teams lost. Arizona State almost pulled off an all time upset, Ohio State played the perfect half of football, and Notre Dame and Penn State are matched up (00:00:00-00:24:31). Week 18 Picks and Preview, we talk incentives, should the Eagles be worried about Jalen Hurts concussion, Vikings and Lions to end the season and more (00:24:31-01:32:39). TD Parlay and fantasy fuccbois (01:32:39-01:45:19). Mike Florio joins us to talk football, coach openings, whats going to happen with Aaron Rodgers and more (01:45:19-02:37:12). We finish with Fyre Fest of the week (02:37:12-02:49:54).You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/pardon-my-take

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matchup that was. Notre Dame is, is, is a honorary big 10 team. But yeah, we had a, listen, this was the college football. I know that not every game, the Boise state Penn state game wasn't super thrilling, but it was actually a pretty close game. It started out bad. Yeah. It was in doubt for 50 minutes. Um, and the Rose bowl was a shit kicking by Ohio state, but man, Texas, Arizona state was an instant classic. Notre Dame, Georgia had some good drama. College football might be back. Should we talk about each game? Yeah. Moisy Penn state. Let's start there. Max Penn state wins. It got a little Andy Cotill, Cotill Nicky. Uh, some of his play calling was very frustrating if you're a Penn State fan because

it did feel like Penn State could just run the ball down their throat if they wanted to and they're like, nah, let's bomb this on third and short at the start of the game. It just seemed like they could big boy them all day Yeah, and then there was some little boy ass play for max. Yes some little boy ass play a lot of drop a lot of drop passes K-tron Allen could have run he could have run for a halt like 190 yards in that game if they really tried to and That's what most Penn State fans. I think we're wanting for most of the game But whatever it was. It got a little like it never got like nervous nervous but it got like why aren't we beating the fuck right. This team nervous. Never. It never got to the point where it became a big game.

Correct. No. Yeah. Penn State is a semi-final. It was a big game. Yes. You know in emotions in the game I'm getting mad and I'm like that happens to you. Yeah. Between the lines things happen. Shut up Tyler Crowe low man trophy winner got a touchdown. Yes all the haters out there that said that he wasn't worthy Suck my dick. He got a touchdown in the college football quarterfinals and as for Boise, I mean This is the part of like it was very clear that They had to play a perfect game to win that game just by like the the matchups in the trenches I a perfect game to win that game just by like the matchups in the trenches. Uh, I actually thought, like, I know there was a lot of memes going around about Ashton Genti. I thought he was like, there was a bunch of times where

he got the ball and it would have been a loss or a yard and he found a way to get like four or five yards. And like, I didn't walk away from that game being like Ashton Genti got like, they were keying in on him basically saying you can't beat us with the pass and he still had a couple runs where I was like holy shit how do they not bring him down? Yeah he was shaking off a lot of tackles but nothing they they bottled him up a little bit they didn't let him because he's had halves like that before where he's not really breaking anything but then he gets his like 70 yard touchdown. Right and I also I mean the end of the game was that was a little

That was a little sad by Boise State where they were just trying to get him the record instead I mean, I know they were down. What were they down 17? And I know they were like there's probably no chance but running on first down with two and a half minutes left Yeah, didn't make sense was a little sad It was a little sad They had no urgency to try to cover the spread for the people. And then so that game happens. Then we wake up on new year's day and we tune into Arizona state, Texas. And we thought that just all the college football games were going to be bad. Yes.

In the first half, it just seemed like there was no chance. Was the first two offensive plays that Texas had went for six. Well, no, they got up. They had a punt return. Yeah. So they had, they had the deep pot. They had like a, their, their first play from screws was like a 50 yard pass, then a touchdown. And then they had the punt return. It was 14 zero or 14 three almost instantly. And we're like, fuck this sucks. And then Arizona state, Kenny D and the boys. I mean, that was scatabow was like, he was puking. He was looked like he got bottled up in the first half and then he just did everything. That's when he woke up was after he puked.

He caught a 60 yard pass. He threw a touchdown pass. He ran for 140, he had two touchdowns. The sideline reporter said that he was throwing up profusely on the sideline. Yeah. And then the announcers were speculating, well, maybe it's because he hasn't had to play

into the fourth quarter a lot recently. Some other people were speculating, well, it is new year's day. Who knows what happened last night. Whatever happened, he got better after he puked. Yeah, it was great. And on that touchdown pass that he threw, did you know that that's not the pass that he was supposed to throw? I can believe it. It was designed to be a pass back to the quarterback. And he said, fuck it, I'm going deep. I mean, Arizona State the way that came started I've never seen worse body language from a team like yeah guys yelling at each other pushing each other and then they just kept on crawling back and like if you actually look at the stats of that

game Arizona State played better than Texas like they had more yards they were they kept on getting to the red zone Texas just I don't know what, but their, their defense is so good and their offense just goes into these dry spells that are like, what's happening right now? They got lucky that they ended up winning. So there was the, the, um, targeting call that confused America. Yeah. Cause nobody knows what targeting is. No one knows that would know that was targeted. I feel like, I feel like the rule was created so that the refs have an opportunity to, to impact a game one way or the other. Yeah. Where like if they if you want it to be targeting, you can say, okay, that's targeting. This guy's

ejected. Yeah. If you don't want it to be, then you can say no. And everyone's like, well, okay, I guess I don't know what targeting is. Yeah. Because it's so weird. But the way that it's written, he was defenseless. I think he did lead with the crowd of his helmet. Yeah. It was like it was above the face mask man They ended up being face mass to face mass, but it looked like he led with the crowd Yeah, but ball don't lie They don't kick at the end shout out to the Arizona State ballgirls that walked right in front of the kicker Well, and also sark with one of the weirdest decisions ever to be like hey my kicker who just missed a kick Has the biggest kick of his life. I'm gonna make him stare into my eyes

While I like hold his head and tell him everything's gonna be okay. That felt like it might have rattled. So I think that the the reinforcement was so positive beforehand, that the kicker didn't have any fear in him. You have to be a little bit afraid of your coach, right? Like kickers were mental midgets. Can we say that? Yeah. Mental. You, you need to have the, Oh shit, I'm probably going to get killed by my head coach, but I'll make this case. Yeah. And Stark was just like doing the, I love you man. Whatever you do here. We're proud of you. You're Bert Auburn. His face pissed me off. Burt's? Yeah. And his hair. His hair. Yeah. I got a lot of people saying the hair

is too much for kickers. I don't disagree. Yeah, you don't want to stand out at all. No, you got to be just you got to not have any idea like point to the sideline Random creative. Oh, okay skinny white guy. Yeah, and we're looking for and but Arizona State Yeah, like I wish they had won that game. They balled their ass off Texas got bailed out with that that touchdown pass and overtime. Yeah, that was a Greg Williams special Yeah, the zero blitz was at fourth and fifth, fourth and 13 I think. Yeah. Don't really understand the play call. I guess they're just like let's go win it. Let's be aggressive. And I like I still think Texas is good. I still like I think though their defense can can give Ohio State some problems but I just wanted I

wanted Arizona State to win that game so bad. They got to use Isaiah Bond a little bit. Yeah, I know he's coming back from something, but they got to use him a little bit more. Scataboo. This guy. I fucking love this guy. Yeah, I love him so much. Sean Payton probably will use a first round pick on him because he's like, that is my new Taysom Hill.

Yeah, that's everything I need out of the guy. He was so fun to watch. He was like Michael stop mixed with John Kuhn running people over in the backfield. So fun. He's so fun. He's he's an electric college football player is going to be I mean, this is a loaded draft for running backs. And then we had the Rose Bowl where Ohio State basically played a perfect half of football. That first half was one of the best halves of football I've ever watched by one team. Jeremiah Smith is I don't know what Oregon, what they spent their bye week doing, but it wasn't scheming up a way to stop Jeremiah Smith. We're going to make him beat us.

Yeah. And he beat him. Okay. And he beat him. He beat him. He beat him by the time most of America started watching the game. Yeah. And then Dan Lanning, we had a sad punt from Dan Lanning. It was just that was that was Ohio State is just a team on a mission right now. I don't know what else you can say. Like they are as long as they don't have to play Michigan. They are the best team in the country. Do you think Michigan is rooting for Ohio State at this point? I think if you're a Michigan fan and Michigan fans can chime in and let us know. I think what Michigan fans are rooting for is for Ohio state to get to the national championship and then lose in tragic fashion. Yeah. I think that's probably what they're rooting for because they don't, cause like I know the whole, if they win, we could say, well, we beat them.

It still is a national title. So I think they want them to get as far as possible and then choke at the end. If you, okay. So like Ryan Day choke, if you're a Michigan fan drawn this up, you want them to get to the national championship and then maybe lose to Penn State. Yeah. Yeah. Or Notre Dame even like, yeah. Just be like, no, I have it. Michigan fans would, would rather Penn State win

the national championship than Notre Dame. Probably. Yeah. No, that's, that's a toss up. I don't know. Cause I, I know Notre Dame's not in the big they're not in the big They are they're rivalry from yeah But they I mean Michigan and Penn State play almost every year nor a Michigan haven't they stopped the rivalry They haven't played in years. I think they'd rather see Penn State I think they I don't know if they would

Know because Michigan could also be like oh Penn State the Big Ten is the best is the best conference You know if Penn State wins it all they're the best conference. That's what I'm saying. Oh yeah. I'm saying that they'd rather be a state. Yeah, maybe beat OSU. I mean, it's, I think it's, you could ask a Michigan fan and they give you a different answer. Um, yeah, they don't like Notre Dame, but I also think they don't like Penn State. What are you going to say, Max? Yes, Jack. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Get Jack in here. Resident, resident Michigan fan. Yeah. So yeah, it's, uh, he's so young. Yeah. Get jacking here resident resident Michigan fan. Yeah So yeah, it's uh, he's so young though I feel like he doesn't even remember Notre Dame in Michigan playing but it's an added bonus every time Ohio State wins an important

Game that Michigan gets to be like yeah ever since we beat him. Yeah. Yeah also you to your side It might be better for James Franklin to like beat Ryan Day So it's like Ryan Day's brain is fully broken. Then Ryan day becomes James Franklin. Yeah. Uh, Jack, our resident Michigan fan, one of our behind the scenes guys does a great job. Jack, as a Michigan fan, if it was, what are you rooting for, for Ohio state in the, in this, in this college football playoff? Uh, so I'm different. I don't want them to win. Right, well what I said was I think most Michigan fans are rooting for them to get to the title

and then lose in tragic fashion. Yeah, that would be hilarious. Yeah, and then if you were playing Penn State, would you rather Penn State or Notre Dame beat them? Penn State for sure. You'd rather Penn State beat them? Yeah, because that would just be even funnier. Yeah. It's a funny factor. Not as a hate Notre Dame factor. I mean, I also kind

of hate Notre Dame as well. You guys are kind of the same Michigan and Notre Dame. Don't tell them that. Yeah. How? Well, you are the same. Yeah, you just refuse to. It's like Ravens and Steelers. They hate each other so much and they refuse to admit that they're the same team. They love to talk about football from the 1940s. I mean, Notre Dame is like the biggest fraud of all time. Okay, until last year, that was literally you. Who have you guys beaten in national championships besides the most recent one?

Yeah, you guys are the same, it's fine. It's okay, I mean, congratulate, you are national champion right now Thank you not taking that away from you. Thank you. We support Connor Stallions Okay, so you want Penn State to beat Ohio State in a tragic fashion for Ohio State? You just want Ryan Data I was saying the best outcome for Michigan is Ryan Day to have like a full-blown Ryan Day meltdown in the national championship Yeah, that would be that would be the greatest thing ever

Yeah, if he loses the Natty to a guy who is known for losing big games, that would be that would be the best out Yeah, right. Yeah, that would be that would be the greatest thing ever Yeah If he loses the Natty to a guy who is known for losing big games that would be that would be the best out Yeah, right. Yeah, that would be hilarious. Yeah. Okay. Thank you, Jack Yeah, and then yeah, I mean the Georgia Notre Dame game their name just outmuscled Georgia Which was kind of shocking although Georgia obviously on their backup quarterback who I wouldn't say pocket presence is is his strength It's not also blocking for their backup quarterback. Yeah, the say pocket presences is his strength. It's not also blocking for their backup quarterback. Yeah. The strength. Yeah. The whole, the whole left side felt, uh, like it was, it was a problem, but we also had the emergence of, uh, anti-hero for Georgia.

Uh, what's the name? Parker Jones. I believe it was Parker Jones. Parker Jones, who number 39, who got it, who ended up not mattering because they lost by 13 or yeah And also they made the field goal. They did make the field goal, but you they would have first and goal Parker Jones walk on cornerback Got in the way of a ref 15 yard penalty memes. You're a Georgia fan Yep, what were you thinking about Parker Jones at that point? We were watching with the sound off, but it was just like, wait, what happened? I thought

we were inside the tent. Parker Jones, Parker Jones, everywhere. Yeah. No, I mean, Parker Jones is going to be an awesome pharmaceutical sales rep in like three years. Maybe not anymore. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, it's yeah, his, that sucks so bad for him because like I was joking that, you know, even if you're a walk on or you're, you know, you never play a snap for Georgia to live the rest of your life being like, yeah, I was on Kirby smarts, Georgia teams. And he would have been able to say that. And then someone would be like, Hey, what's your name? Like, Oh, I'm Parker Parker

Jones. Like, wait a second. I remember that. I thought it was mean that they showed him say that and then someone would be like hey what's your name like I'm Parker Parker Jones like wait a second I remember that I thought it was mean that they showed him at the end of the game. They showed him so much everyone had kind of moved on from him a little bit and then to put him back on the screen on the national broadcast that felt that was targeting that was targeting that was absolutely targeting. So Penn State Notre Dame Max how are you feeling. I feel good. Notre Dame I feel like Penn State, Notre Dame, Max, how are you feeling? I feel good. Notre Dame. I feel like Penn State and Notre Dame are have kind of looked at how Notre Dame just had a very impressive win. I don't know. Their offense, their offense

is so blank. Their defense is elite. Their defense is shown to be elite. If Drew Aller can have a good game, get hot. Cole necky. But like this is a sort of game where we're not going to be able to like shove it down their throats. Right. So Cole necky will have to kind of do a little bit of the, I think he's going to have to do some fuck shit. Yeah. He's going to have to do some fuck. She's going to have to get creative. Yes. He's going to have to get creative in this game. And if he does, I like Penn State's chances. I like that they're dogs. I like that they're dogs in this game as of right now. As of right now, they're one and a half point dogs. Open

his dogs, open his dogs. It'll be a good game. It'll be a good game. I think, I think I like the under I'll say that. Yeah. Okay. I, I, I hope Abdul Carter play. I mean, Abdul Carter put out like the Darth Vader video saying that he was loading up to what happened with him is shoulder. It was insane that they just weren't talking. Yeah. Yeah. They just weren't. He just went off and they and they showed him adjusting the pads and then it was just like that was it. He's the best player on the field. He is going to be a top five pick in the draft and he just didn't play for three quarters of the game and they just didn't say a thing and nobody knew what was going

on. Yeah. So if Abdul Carter plays I like her. Tell me about this Darth Vader video. So I didn't know anything about this video. I had some super Connor Griffin resident Star Wars nerd Star Wars nerd and Penn State super super super fan explained to me that his fly and then came that it's a scene from Star Wars where Darth Vader goes into this healing chamber. Okay. And then he gets healthy super fast and like gets super jacked and powerful. And then Darth Vader ends up winning in the end, right? I'm not a Star Wars guy. OK, that's probably an important part to look up. I'm not.

I personally am not a Star Wars guy. Hank, does he win? Yeah, I mean, he made up his relationship with his son. Oh, that's such a good answer. Don was a good father. OK. And his hand was fine? Yeah, no.

No? No. No. Well, what happened? He got cut off by a lightsaber. Oh, no. A lightsaber? Saber. Oh, no. So he's gonna, Abdul Carter's gonna play a whole game without a hand? Yeah, that's what it sounds like. Where does Baby Yoda factor into this? He doesn't. Wait, did he even post a video? It looks like a picture. It's just a picture. So yeah, I posted a picture of Darth Vader right before Darth Vader died. I I'm not a Star Wars guy

So you you be if you have to be a Star Wars guy to know the difference between a picture in a video It's same premise to me Sometimes memes are pictures sometimes means or videos, you know, whatever tomato So he's gonna do something that is unregulated that will heal him extra fast and then he's going to die. I don't know Star Wars. Or videos are pretty. I'm just starting to figure this out.

All I know is that he's going to, that it seems like he's getting super healthy and super jacked. Super jacked, super healthy. Hank? That's sick. All right. Good. That's my analysis. Max. If it makes a difference

to you, I will be rooting for you. Love that. I think I'm going to bet on Penn State. I think I'm better than Ohio State. I should be a good stream. I think I Penn State Ohio State is what I want just because whichever whichever coach loses is just very funny. Yeah, that is a very funny. Like you could just go whichever now if you want it. No, I mean, James straight losing to Ohio State when he gets a cakewalks you know to the Senate final but if you beat Notre Dame to go to go to the national championship that's a big win. I agree but then if you lose to Ohio State yet again it's like you can't. He can't beat Ohio State but you but Penn State fans won't be mad and that's and that's yeah if you get

to an adding you lose if you literally can't even just keep driving that you can't there he would be I think one in eleven maybe against Ohio State yeah to any one the one if you lost anybody it would be as bad yeah I don I don't know. I like this, but this is the game. Like they, they got it. This is the big game. This is the big game. This is the big game. This is a big game. And then everything else is gravy. You don't care. Yeah. I think it would be, it would be funnier if Ryan day lost than it would be Franklin loss Ryan day losing in the national championship and it getting so far in this season that they can't fire him would be very funny. But Ohio State also looks insanely like they look their two wins now against

Tennessee and Oregon. Yeah, no, they look more absolutely like lights out just the best team they have by far if you reseated right now now They are the they are the one seed by far and you can just imagine them winning and Jack Sawyer getting on stage and crying and screaming for about seven minutes non-stop, right? Yeah, like that feels like something that could very easily happen. Yeah, and then hopefully a reporter would be like Congrats to the Natty, but what do you think about the flag? Yeah put in the 50-yard line flag that yeah, put in the 50 yard line. Yeah, that counts as a mission Michigan national championship since they own that stadium, right? Yeah. Yeah. Should you Jeremiah Smith declare for the draft? Like I a year and a

quarter from it's crazy. He's so goddamn good. I it's it's bullshit. He should do the Maurice Clarke being like I'm ready now. He is ready right now. Yeah, they showed the graphic in the first half of comparing him to like, it was to and Julio Jones. Yeah, I was like, Come on, let's let's pump the brakes a little bit. And then you watch him playing. You're like, Yeah, I can see he's got another two years. It's his most humble player he's ever seen ever.

Yeah, him and Ryan Williams. There's two two dudes that we're gonna get to watch in college football for the next two years. Yeah, just insane. Okay. Let's do NFL week 18. Also love Caleb downs. Yeah, that guy's awesome. Yeah. I mean, Ohio State's just really fucking good at football. And they just as long as they don't have to play Michigan, because even their other loss to Oregon, you can like losing by one or two, whatever it was on the road and on the road is not like a by one or two whatever it was the Oregon on the road It's not like a crazy loss. Yeah, it's just losing at home as an 18-point favorite that that is a crazy because they wanted to become Michigan Like I said, like if they if they had played their game, they should have beaten this shit out. Oh, yeah. Yeah, absolutely

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first box of fresh healthy food at The thefarmersdog.com slash PMT. Plus you get free shipping. Just go to the farmersdog.com slash PMT to get 50% off. That's the farmersdog.com slash PMT. Okay, boys, week 18 in the NFL. We had Pro Bowl, by the way. Congrats, PFT, Jayden Daniels, pro bowler, Pepsi rookie of the week as well. Pepsi rookie of the week. Uh, did you have any pro bowlers? Yeah. I had one, John Johnson. Yep. That's pretty sick. Uh, max, you guys had a lot. Ravens had a shit load. Meaves, you have a pro bowler? Nope. Ah, none. We got, we got some reserves. Zero zero. And Sam Darnold made his first pro bowl, which by the way solidifies 2018 draft was insane. Uh, it's the year for everyone in the 2018. I mean, there was already some

like incredible players, but the Renaissance of some of these guys. Just a reminder, the 2018 draft Baker Mayfield went one, uh, Saquon Barkley, two Sam Donald three. So one, two, three, pretty much had career years. Uh, four was Denzel Ward. He's been to four pro bowls, Bradley Chubb, Quentin Nelson, Josh Allen, Ro Kwon Smith, Mike McGlinchey, and then Josh Rose. But really we should just make Lamar 32. He was 10. Yeah. No, it was a good draft. Really good draft. So eight out of the 10 first rounders or first picks in the 20 or sorry, the first eight picks in the 2018 draft had been to at least one pro bowl. Now I'm interested to see who actually ends up playing in the Pro Bowl.

Because that's when things get fucked up when you start getting a bunch of guys that get put on the team at the very last minute. What reserves do you have memes? I believe Quinn and Williams, Garrett Wilson, Xavier Gibson, Irv Charles. Oh shit dude, that's a lot of reserves. But there's like second reserve, third reserve. There's tiers. Okay. Yeah. That sounds like a lot of reserves Yeah, we we leave the league and almost Pro Bowls. Oh nice. So

Patrick Mahomes is he in the Pro Bowl? He is not that's weird. Yes. He's the best quarterback in football I don't think the patch for homes cares at all. Yeah, I think he this is probably a good thing for him Yeah, I mean he what he's gonna probably play in the Super Bowl. He was not gonna go to the Pro Bowl anyways. But now you give the Chiefs a tiny bit of ammunition. You're like, look, Patrick Mahomes wasn't a Pro Bowler. Yeah. That's the opposite of what the rest

of the NFL needs out of him. It's also, you know you've fully made it when if you try to like say, ha ha, Patrick Mahomes isn't in the Pro Bowl. You're like, well, that's okay, dude Yeah, I don't care. He wins Super Bowls. Yeah, it really doesn't matter. Who cares? Okay, let's do games By the way this week so so at the end of the preview we'll do our picks memes and Hank are safe

So they're not gonna pick it's between me Pft and Max and the deal is PFT and I both have 18, I believe, and Max has 16. So under normal, Max would have to go 2-0 and we'd both have to go 0-2 for a tie. And we're not going to do a tiebreaker this year. If anyone ties, they have to go to the bachelor party together. So if Max and I tie, we're both going, which I think would be better for content. And PFT and I have graciously given Max an extra pick. So he's going to get three picks and we get two picks. He's getting the easiest road to the championship. So that means that any combination of Max going, if Max goes three and O and PFT and I both go one and one, all three of us are gonna go.

If either PFT and I go O and two and Max goes two and one, then we would go. So Max, you gotta at least win two. You gotta at least get two out of three and hope for us to suck. Yeah. Because if either of us goes two and O, we're automatically safe.

Have we figured out what bachelor party we're gonna go on? No, that's a whole other process. That's a whole other process. That's a whole other process. I have so many weddings this summer. Oh, well, sounds like you're gonna have another bachelor. Unless you go three and oh, and one of us goes oh and two, then you're safe. That would be a hell of a,

I mean, Davis Mills, that year still. Davis Mills, so many hot dogs. So many hot dogs. Okay, let's get to the games. Davis Mills, so many hot dogs. So many hot dogs. Okay, let's get to the games. First game, Saturday, which I'll just say it, I don't understand why the NFL did the scheduling this way, the Steelers and the Bengals should have played first because Browns at Ravens, Ravens minus 20,

over-under is 41. If the Ravens win this game, they win the AFC North, and the Steelers have nothing to play for. So they have absolutely nothing, they they don't have seating to play for in that case? I thought they did. I guess they would with the Chargers, but... Because it would be a pretty big seating deal then, right? Because you would much rather... You would want to avoid the Ravens. You would want to avoid the Ravens, but still, like, the AFC North would be decided. I... It didn't... But that... No, to me, that makes a massive difference.

But it makes so much more sense for them to just go first. Yeah, it probably does. Why wouldn't. But that no to me that makes a massive difference. But it makes so much more sense for them to just go first. Yeah, it probably does. Why wouldn't they have just gone first? It probably does. I think you probably wanted to get Joe Burrow and the seal. It's a it's a much like more impactful game in terms of driving viewers. So you want that in prime time. Right. But it would have been like them going first being like if they win they get to they can win the AFC North I think they want that in the afternoon slate because I think I do think the Steelers have a lot to play for yeah No, they definitely do because playing home playoff game is a lot home playoff game is a lot But also avoiding the Ravens in the first round is a lot and then I at least we're getting the Bengals on Saturday

So that we can see the outcome of their game before we see. Yeah, I like that part. It has a big swing. Uh, all right. So, so the Ravens, so it's going to be Bailey's Zappie, I believe, uh, for the Browns, but also maybe still DTR, which is so sad. Yeah. Uh, we've got a lot of those this weekend, a lot of like really, really depressing two headed monster and yeah. So we're Mike might get a combination of both DTR and Bailey's happy Bailey's happy who's been there for how

long? The year, the whole year, maybe not the whole year. I don't think so. Half the year, Jamis emergency quarterback. Oh, yeah, it can't be the whole year. Because he was probably unless he was on practice. I believe Sean went down and then they signed then they signed Bailey's happy. Bailey Zappi, got it. Yeah, he was on the Chiefs before that, on the Chiefs practice squad. Damn, Bailey Zappi was so close to a ring.

That would've been tough, yeah. So one thing to watch for in this game, Lamar Jackson might break the single-season quarterback rating record. Correct. So he's right behind Aaron Rodgers from 2011. Yep. So maybe Lamar just plays a

half gets out of there. Yeah. And we also points is a lot. Yeah, yeah, we have. It is a lot. But the Browns are really, really bad. Miles Garrett, I do think will be playing hard that he he is never as good as Miles Garrett is he's never led the NFL in sacks. And Cleveland Brown has never done that. Hmm. So he also said tied right now for with Trey Hendrickson. He said they want to play spoiler. They want to play spoiler, which yeah. Okay. Yeah. Play spoiler. You know, it'd be nice if they scored like maybe

17 points. That would be nice for the defense. Yeah. Right. Yeah. In their last three games. How many, how many points do you think the Browns have scored in three games? Not many. 16. Yeah. I mean, DTR and his five starts to score 37 total. Yeah. So it's not, it's not looking good. Also, here's a fun fact from Paul Hembo. In the Browns, Owen 16 season in 2017, they never were more than a 13 and a half point underdog. And there are 20 point underdog in this game. Also Derek Henry incentives. If he gets one touchdown, he breaks Jamal Lewis's record for the franchise record and he also gets $500,000. That's huge. And he also is 217 yards away from 2000, which he would be the oldest player to get 2000 rushing yards. That's

huge. I read somewhere I forget who posted this, but this is the 40th quarterback that the Browns have started since 1999. Oh, man. With Bailey's happy. Oh, man. Yeah, that's tough. Okay. Yeah, I mean, this is kind of a one eye game. Mm hmm. It's football. Yeah, it's a Saturday after one eye game. This is this is the last week of the NFL season. Your team is playing this weekend. Yeah, for a lot of people, it's gonna be your last chance to watch your team play, which this is big. I'm so excited to not see my team play anymore. Okay, yeah. Playoffs are gonna be great because I don't have to watch my team. I think Browns fans probably are in the same boat. I get that. But there's something different about an NFL Sunday where you know what you have to do and you know that you have to put on that Browns Jersey, the face paint. You know, you have to do, you have to do the whole, it's a, uh, it's a tradition.

It's a ritual. Yeah. This is your last Sunday of that ritual that you get to experience until maybe late August. Yeah. Uh, okay. Bangles at Steelers, Steelers minus two over under 48. I don't know what's going on with the Steelers. Uh, Mike Tomlin allegedly corrected the, heers minus two over under 48. I don't know what's going on with the Steelers.

Mike Tomlin allegedly corrected the, he hit the elephant in the room talk with, I think it's Cam Sutton is what people are guessing, but also maybe Minka and also maybe Patrick Queen is the guy that everyone keeps talking about who's missing assignments. Also, did you see George Pickens video from the locker room? I did not see that one. Okay, so this is kind of Perfect for can you actually pull it up max? George Pickens talking about Russell Wilson and him being not being on the same page. This is a perfect Like

It's a perfect example of where the Steelers are right now as a team because they've been taking on water. They've been playing real teams and they've been losing and it doesn't feel like the vibes are super high. Yeah, here we go. Here's the video. This is George Pickens being asked about being on the same page with Russell Wilson. It seemed like you and Russ weren't on the same page on that interception against the

Chiefs. How does that happen and what do you guys do to address it? He said me and Russell isn't on the same page. Yeah well that's what he said. That's what he said? Yeah. Or is that what you said? That's what he said. How do you just address that? You know what? So they weren't on the same page even. You know what? Mike Tomlin Coach of the Year. Right there what I just saw from George Pickens, that's growth, but he fit. He physically took his shy. St pulled it up over his mouth. He was like, I can't, I want to say a lot of things right now. Coach told me, don't say

anything. And he just, he physically restrained himself talking, but that, but that video is so funny because it's a reporter saying, uh, what do you think about not being on the same page as Russell Wilson? And he's like, wait, he said that or you said that is like, no, Russ said that. And he's like, Oh shit. I didn't even know Russ said that proving that they're not on the same page. They weren't on the same page on that one play or, or in the followup interview in the followup. Yeah. Cause if they were on the same page in the followup interviews, they both would have known they weren't on the same page. George Pickens thinks they were on the same page. Russell Wilson does not. I just appreciate George

moving forward. Yeah. Uh, okay. For this game as well, uh, Joe Burrow could become only the fourth player ever to get 5,000 yards passing in 45 touchdowns in a season. So he needs 359 yards and three touchdowns. The other three player four players. So it'd be the fifth actually of all time. The other four players are Patrick Mahomes in 2018, Peyton Manning in 2013, Drew Brees in 2011 and Dan Marino in 1984. And it made me realize we don't put enough respect on our good dear friend recurring guest Dan Marino because him having 5084 yards and 48 touchdowns in 1984 when the game was not a passing game is fucking insane. That's an insane statistical seat like think about it. Joe Burrows having a career year and he still needs to do

some work to get to what Dan Marino did. And the league is completely different. All four of the, the other three that I mentioned all happened in the last 13 years and Dan Marino did it fucking 40 years ago. Yeah. You could still basically interfere with receivers. Yeah. You could hit the shit out of the quarterback five seconds after they threw the pass teams just tried to run the ball Yeah, they tried to establish the run over and over I looked it up. So after he did that in 1984 It took 15 years until someone had over 40 touchdown passes in a season not named Dan Marino because he actually did it again two years later 44 touchdown passes. Kurt Warner in 1999 and it took 22 years for someone else to eclipse 5,000 yards in Drew Brees. And it's 21 years I think until when Brady broke

the touchdown record, his touchdown record in 2007. So it's like more respect on Dan Marino. That that's just an absolute anomaly of like, basically you picked a stat line from today's NFL and you just stuck it right in the middle of the eighties and you're like, yup, that's what Dan Marino did. It's pretty crazy to imagine that it's not. And what Joe Burrows done this year has been awesome. I can't, I can't wait for this game because I think that no matter what the Steelers are going to play very, very hard, the Bengals when they try their very hardest, they might end up losing in heartbreaking fashion. It's going to be a crazy game. Yeah. Yeah. No, it's gonna be a great game. And I get it. We get renegade and a night game. We get the terrible towels going double renegade,

maybe double renegade. Yeah. Joey Porter Jr. Try not to interfere with people. It's gonna be great. It's gonna be great It's gonna be great. Okay on to Sunday commanders of Cowboys Cowboys plus six Over-under 44 how we feel BFD you got to win this game to avoid the Eagles Doesn't matter we play who we gotta beat good teams in the playoffs. Okay, that's that's what I'm looking at right max Have you fully come to grips with the seating? Yep. I'm on to the Packers. Okay. Okay. I'm ready for the pack Because you're trying to duck the commanders It's okay

I'll play you I want max but the reality is we'll see what Mike Floreo said about that when we get to that We got to take care of business number one thing. He said was as long as you don't play the Eagles Okay, Mike Floreo knows ball. We'll get to my target. Yeah, we'll get to it. We'll get to it, get to the interview. We gotta take care of business. The number one thing he said was, as long as you don't play the Eagles. Okay, Mike Flora knows ball. We'll get to it. Who am I to argue with? Yeah, we'll get to it. We'll get to it, but that's what he said. Okay, all right. So, Max, I wanna beat the Cowboys

because I wanna win every game that I'm in, regardless of opponent. Also, four and two in the division, in those parentheses, next year record, looks a lot better than three and three in the division. So that's what I'm hoping for. And I'm hoping to stay healthy. Yeah. Just stay healthy. This game made me think of there's a lot of,

especially with the 12 team playoff and the new wild card and major league baseball, people complaining about, you know, the, the playing game, the NBA, too many teams make the playoffs. Imagine if we only had six seeds this year? Yeah. That would, well actually it would be awesome if you win this game, because then the Packers would be out. But still, you would basically be eliminating a team

that has 11, 12 win team. Yeah, 12 wins, two teams tied at that, one would get left out. And then in the NFC, anything can happen as far as the road goes. If we win this game, we get the six seed, we could play at the Rams we could play at the Bucks Mm-hmm, you don't know and then once the reseating starts to happen we talked about a dream scenario crazy We'll have to wait for that that conversation. Yeah, I'd like to beat the Cowboys

You always want to beat the Cowboys, but to me the most intriguing part of this game is is Mike McCarthy and what happens afterwards? Yeah, yeah also Ezekiel Elliott went for the saddest release ever. I don't know if you guys saw this, but Jerry Jones released Ezekiel Elliott out of respect and appreciation for Zeke, so he'd have a chance on a playoff team. He did not get claimed, and I don't know if anyone will sign him. Yeah, I don't know what really the expectation is. Yeah, I don't know I don't know what really the expectation the ideal scenario form is to stay on the Cowboys and to keep getting these lifetime achievement Touchdowns from the Cowboys when they get the ball at the one-yard line Yeah, like here he goes II who I guess you can have a touchdown who would even who would even sign them Maybe the one team that I've heard that would make any bit of sense would be the charge

I was gonna say charge your bank injured because they're banged up at that position Jk Dobbins is back. But yeah, but besides that I don't know why I don't know why any team would really let him be a Raven Sure, fuck it. Let him be a Raven get him on the Chiefs Let him spell Derek Henry if Andy Reid is trying to win a Super Bowl on expert mode Get Ezekiel back there and give him meaningful carries. He's he go get back there and In me and what's his name? Who's the Carson Steele? No the guy who who drops all the balls? Oh, there is Tony. There is Tony bring him back

Yeah, let's get it going but yeah, I I Feel like the Cowboys could be a little live, but it's really just it was not about the Cowboys more like is there any Emotional letdown to such an incredible Sunday night, which was incredible Like that was you know clenching the playoffs winning at home the Jayden Daniels insane drive to end the game I still think the commanders will win but that would be my own argument for it. I hope so I hope we win. I think that we're gonna win I'd like to see Luke McCaffrey get a touchdown too. I went back through

all the film. He was my all 22 project this week. The stuff he does without the ball. Did you hear on Sunday Night Football that they did say Marshawn Latimore played well. He did. He did play well. Collinsworth did say that. He did. Listen, obviously don't want passenger fair. It says are not good, but they don't always tell the whole story Yeah, but yeah Luke get get Luke a touchdown Will you it while watching the first guy to help up a teammate too? Yeah while watching this game Will you be if you lose this game? Will you be? Like we'd be upset. Will you be like shit Eagles? I think it only it matters how we lose the game. If we lose with no injuries

and we don't look just terrible. Yeah. Then I'll be like, listen, I'll take the Eagles. You play who you play because Hank and memes. I, I, you guys agree. We want to see Eagles commanders. Yeah. Yeah. For the show. You play every day. Bill's nodding their head right now. Yeah. I want to beat good teams. That's the thing about me, big cat is I want to beat the best. Yeah. Max wants the easiest path possible. Also his quarterback still in concussion protocol. That's very true. Well, Tanner McKee, Tanner McKee. I I'm okay. Can I amend this? I don't want, I want zero part of playing Tanner McKee in the playoffs. I don't want that guy. because that guy is he's different. Three, four, two touch jumps.

Yeah. All right. Bears at Packers Packers plus 10 over under 41. Laflora said he's playing everyone. The Bears haven't won a road game on a Sunday since and want to take a guess. 2021. Yes. Week, what? Week 15 at Seattle, Nick Foles was the quarterback. 20 Sunday

road games in a row. They have lost. Sunday. They've won some Thursday night road games. They've won, I think, a Monday night road game. They have not won a Sunday road game since 2021. And they won't win this game. So we'll just go into 2025 being like we haven't won a road game on a Sunday. So it's going to be bare weather though, which is also Packer weather. No, it's more bare weather. So it's going to be like low 20s, maybe some snow.

Just get me out of this season. I don't really want to watch this game what if you beat the Packers so we're not gonna be the Packers Packers are gonna embarrass us they're gonna laugh at us and then we're gonna hire Brian Flores and I'm gonna kill myself mmm that's a bad thing you think oh yeah would kill himself I hope you'd kill himself? I don't know, for it. I hope he would not want me to die. Ah, yeah, with, well, let me ask this, Hank. Has Brian Flores ever coached a young quarterback?

And how did it go if he did? They had a couple, what, two 9-1 seasons back-to-back? Two in the Dolphins? I don't believe so. I think they had... Well, he put in Brian Fitzpatrick over to a yeah well I can also chalk that up to Brian Flores being part of Bill Belichick's tentacles where he would just he would farm out his assistant coaches to go destroy another team

and so he probably loved a team in the division getting absolutely creamed by Brian Flores. Let me put it this way. Nine and eight, 10 and six, five and 11. Which one of those 10 and six was with to a yeah, that might know that was I think the year that they they he like wouldn't play to a 2019 there are five and 11 and then 10 and six and nine and eight. I would rather have I'm going to say something crazy right now. Actually, I don't think it's that crazy. I'd much rather have if given the choice

Mike McCarthy over Brian Flores. Just because you don't think that Brian Flores is one of these coaches that goes to his second job. And he's like, I learned a lot of stuff from my first job, like namely, don't make your young quarterback hate you.

I think to a started Nine nine games nine games that season. I Think Brian Flores could be a very good head coach with a well-established quarterback in place Okay, but he'd probably he'd probably have to hire a guy whose only job is to take care of Caleb I just don't want a defensive coach and I don't I want Ben Johnson and then all the reports are out that Ryan Poles is trying to softly push the team away from Ben Johnson because Ben Johnson would then softly push Ryan Poles away from the team. It's the height of dysfunction. We're going to talk about it with Florio. It's it's the worst. Brian Flores would be a disaster. I

Don't know that he would though. Yeah, he wasn't okay. Yes, he alienated to a but Hank just said ten wins To a did not start that whole season ten wins without to a Mike McDaniel would love that. Yeah, I just you get to a start for nine games you win ten He I just don't I don't want it. I don't want it you but you did say you wanted Mike McCarthy I said if given if you made me choose between the two I don't want Mike McCarthy either if you said you have to take one of the two I would take Mike McCarthy Mike McCarthy is a good coach He's won a Super Bowl. Yeah, I

Do not want either just for the record, but if you said you have to take one or the other, I would take Mike McCarthy. I mean, he's he's coached a young he coached a young Aaron Roderick, he coached the transition between Farve and Aaron Rodgers. Like, that was I mean, that was a difficult transition when Brett farve decided to come back after retiring. He also can't beat the Packers. That's well, no, he he he can beat the Packers. As the Cowboys coach? No, as the end of his time with the Packers. He beat the Packers all the time. That's true. He's got a lot of experience beating the

Packers being in football games with the Packers lose. Yeah, right. Yeah, he's beaten the Packers many, many times. So right now the Packers have 108 wins against the Bears. It's tied all time for the most victories by one team over another team. You know who you're talking about playing for a long time. You know who you're tied with though? Who? Me, the Giants beating Oh, the Redskins football team commands. So we'll we'll have that record. Yeah, passing the torch game. I've been playing a long time and it's been a long time of getting our faces just smashed in. Hank, Bill's Patriots. Bill's a Patriots, Patriots plus two and a half, overrunners 37 and a half. What are we thinking for

this game? I think that what you said the other day about Mayo coaching for his job and leaving on the line is what's's gonna happen I think I can speak from most if not all Patriots fans that we would rather see Drake may not play give us a little Joe Milton action and hopefully we lose the game, but It just feels like one that they're gonna win and we're gonna lose, you know some great draft picks Yeah as a result and he's gonna try to save his job. Yeah. Yeah, it's the Joe Milton coming out game No, I don't think he's gonna play I think I wish it was the Drake may coming out of the game game for Joe Milton But I think today they announced Drake may as a starter. So that's that dream is dead. Well, Josh is starting too

Yeah, but that's mostly so that he can continue the streak because he is available to play Yeah, so he's gonna try to start how many series you think for Josh to to? Here's the here's what I'm I do think the Patriots are going to find a way to win this game because I think the bills are going to pack it in. bills are good team though they got good backups like they're they're well coached like hopefully they you know they're they're focused on the playoffs and so hopefully their whole team is kind of locked in in like playoff mode and the Patriots are just like get the season over with and and that's how it plays out, but I I Feel like they're gonna Patriots gonna win fun fact about the Bills and I guess it Depends on well, no right now it stands. They're the only team

to beat two 14 win teams in a season and if the Lions win Against the Vikings, they'll be the only team to beat two 15-win teams in the season. That's pretty cool. Pretty crazy. Also, imagine if the Lions win and it's like, hey, that was their two wins, or two of their wins against the two best teams, one seed.

Yeah, and they could get 14 wins, which would be the most for the Bills in franchise history. Yep. Here's the big thing that we have to figure out for this game boys. And I don't even know if it'll be listed. Maybe is there for touchdown scores? Is there other listed sometimes? It's probably not a touchdown. So the bills have 13 different touchdown scores, reception touchdowns this year. The record is 14 and the Bills have talked about it,

how they're like, they see this as a team award and they're excited and they wanna break this record. Zach Davidson is the name that I found. He is the backup, backup tight end. And Reggie Gilliam, those are the two guys that could conceivably catch in like there might be, it might be an offensive. Yeah. I was thinking of one in particular Dawkins. Does he have one this year?

I don't think so, but this does, I mean, doesn't it? Like there was a report that they've been actively talking about, like this would be a really cool record to get as a team. We got to figure out who that touchdown is going to be to Dawkins anytime touchdowns that list. I don't think that's gonna be listed. I think we have our best shot at doing offensive players and just spraying against like, I think they're going to try to get this. I think they're going to try to figure out a way to get someone to catch. Maybe it's Mitch scored already. Oh Oh he did. Yeah. What about has Josh got receiving touchdown? Josh does. He does. Yes. Pass it to himself. Yep. Oh shit. Yeah. So we have to figure out who that's going to be. Yeah. I looked through it today. Zach Davidson has three games played in one reception this year, no touchdowns and Reggie Gilliam as well. I,

cause like everyone else has scored for them. So it's crazy. Like they've just had every single guy score a touchdown. We just have to figure out who's going to be. Oh wait, maybe what Dawkins hasn't scored. None of the props are out yet. So yeah. Yeah.

What about tomorrow? I feel like if you put them on the field, everyone's gonna be like, that's gonna be a touchdown to tomorrow. Right? Yeah, probably. Why is he out there? Okay, so that was more more to come on that. We got to figure that out tomorrow out there is a decoy. And then he trips and falls down and to Reggie Gilliam and the whole defense is like, Oh my god, is he okay? Yeah, I'm past Reggie Gilliam. Okay, got it. I'm rooting for Reggie Gilliam the whole defense is like oh my god is he okay yeah touchdown pass Reggie Gilliam okay got it I'm rooting for Reggie Gilliam that would be fun Gilliam softly with his song Reggie Gilliam would be a very fun touchdown okay let's see next game Giants and Eagles Eagles minus three over under 37 and a half PFT. Saquon is kind of a pussy for this.

No touch on the on Dawkins is here. Okay. No, okay. For not asking for the rock. Yeah. So if I was saying, if I was Saquon Barker, I demand the here's what I would say. I would march straight into Nick Sirianni office and I would say, coach, I want to play. I want to play for my teammates. I want to play. I want to play for my teammates.

I want to play most of all though for the game. For the game because I respect the game so much and it's such a meaningful record. If you don't respect the game, the game won't respect you back. That's a good point. And also you're not going to tell me that Saquon doesn't have any feelings towards the Giants. Like going for the record against his own team that didn't want him. Like either this is a Saquon problem, which Max just told me that it's not, or it's a Nick Sirianni problem. Nick Sirianni is like, I don't have any, the game means nothing

to me. The records mean not history means nothing to me. Yeah. And it's just like, I mean, I saw Dan Campbell playing all the starters against the 49ers. That's culture. Yeah. You play to win the game. Yeah. And then, and the Eagles are just like, no, we're not going to play Saquon. Yeah. You play the game about winning super bowl. Herm Edwards, uh, culture, max culture, super bowl culture, culture. Okay. It's not, it's not about, it's not about Saquon. It's not about Saquon. It's about the message, the offensive line. Yeah. Have been able to tell their kids and their grandkids. Hey, I blocked for that guy

That's set the all-time record and you still can say and sir. I mean my seat down, you know, this is coward I this chicken shit you guys you know, it's chicken shit Each other was like you planned this conversation Like it was like I we're gonna find a way to fuck with Max. No, it's good. It's called being in locks Yeah, it's called football guys with your teammate Yeah, all guys and making sure you're in the best situation to win a fucking Super Bowl No, we can't say you guys right now anything about that. I'm Lane Johnson right now Okay, and and we we looked at each other. We said we want to play

Yeah, give me the rock. We both want to play. Give me the fucking rock. I'm not playing either. And then Sirianni up in the boot. What the linemen aren't playing. I know. I would say, give me the rock. I want to get this record. We haven't had a week. Uh, we haven't had a buy since week five football too hard for you, max. See it's too hard for you. I would fucking buy would be like, give me the fucking rock, Nick. You would love to be in a situation where you can arrest your starters going into playoff. Did you realize no matter which way they decided we would have just spun it to get you this point?

If he had started, we would have been like, that's the dumbest decision you could ever make. They care about records over Super Bowl. True. Yep. I feel we've had this exact conversation Keep falling for it. I know I actually do feel bad for Saquon He said afterwards he was like yeah It was hard like telling my dad because he was like my dad was like this is our name with a hallowed record

But it's the right decision it is I would I would feel worse if he didn't get into the 2000. Yeah. The 2000 yard club, no matter what is still like an elite group of running backs in history that have got there. It's, it's hard to do. He's still got, he's still got that Mark. And he did it in, in the correct amount of games too. Yeah. Correct. Yeah. So I'm not like, he still has that from this season. No one could take that away. No, you had an all time season. But we got to win a, but we're trying to win a Superbowl. We're trying to win a Superbowl and I cannot, could you imagine if any, if him or any of the, oh, no, it would be, you would be, because that's the thing you're risking six guys. Yeah. But Max, what do you think about rest versus rust?

I know that's been a topic of discussion recently. Right now we need rest. Yeah, but you saw what happened in college football playoff. Buys. Okay. You need, you haven't had a buy in 15 weeks. That's not right math, but. Well, you already have, you already have the buy.

What? This is just more rest. Or if you play the commanders, you have a buy. That's true. That's not right math, but well you already have you already have the bye What this is just more rest? Oh if you play the commanders you have a bye. It's true. That's not true That is incorrect. That is incorrect tanner McKee. This game is about tanner McKee tanner McKee. Are you a little worried? Now I did Jalen hurts is still in concussion protocol. Oh that yes that still in concussion protocol. Oh, that yes. That yes. Yeah. I'd say yes. But like that's not something you can just cheat your way out of. But you can just like stay in concussion protocol. No, you can tell me how concussion protocol. I'll tell you how concussion protocol works. Jalen hurts. Can't do any like physical activity when he's in concussion protocol. He doesn't want to be in concussion protocol anymore. He'll be out by the beginning of

next week. I think Max is right. I think he will be too. I do too, but I'm just saying it's not like concussion. Jaquan Briskir went into concussion protocol. I haven't seen him since. Thumbs up. Thumbs up. Did Jaquan Briskir give a thumbs up after the hit? No, and he's going to concuss a lot, but I'm just saying concussion protocol is the one injury where you can't be like, I'm good to go and they give you the test and you fail it and they're like, no, you can't play I would be more comfortable if he wasn't in concussion protocol. That's true. However, I'm not my panic meter of that is like a

Three. Okay. Yeah Well one good thing about him is if there's a guy that is a history of being a starting quarterback It's no longer the starting quarterback supporting the new guy. It's probably Jalen Hurts. And if there's a history of a team being able to have a backup quarterback go win the Super Bowl, it's the Philadelphia Eagles. That's true. It's true. But I think he'll be okay. Oh my god. Imagine if they make a statue for Tanner McKee. Tanner McKee. Tanner, we're just skipping over Kenny is Kenny.

No, he's out this weekend. Yeah, Kenny's not playing. So I heard his ribs. So who's your backup? Ian book. Oh, yeah, that's right. That's nice. Right?

That's Yep, Ian book. Yep. Yeah, he hasn't progressed enough to be at practice. I mean, he would definitely want to be at practice. Like he can't be in practice. So. But next week he wants to be at practice. Okay. Listen, I hope that's true. I want to see Jalen Hurts play in the playoffs. I don't. Same. I just know that like the concussion protocol is the one thing you can't be like, it's not like a bum ankle where you're like, I don't care. I'm going Monday, Monday, if he's not practicing on Monday, then I'm nervous. But like this week,

cause I don't get, I don't get how you get out of concussion protocol. You have to pass a test. But like, what does that mean? Could he just be like, Oh yeah, I'm not going to pass a test today. You could, yeah, I think you could flunk the test. Yeah. just be like, I'm not. And then I guess you could and then be like, that would make no sense because you why you he still would want to go to practice. Why just like take the week off. He has just walked through with the team and like be able to like get your lifts in and shit. He can't get his lips. But like, he probably doesn't lift a lot right now. No, him and Saquon. They don't really so much. I Don't know if the thumbs up though What if he just gives a thumbs up again two thumbs up two thumbs up two thumbs up, then you're out

Monday I'm giving because this week is like it's a not a real week of practice like they're not They're preparing for next week. Has anybody asked AJ Brown. What do you thinks about him still being concussion protocol? No, I would like to see that question asked. Yeah. AJ Brown also not Pro Bowl. So he's probably mad about that. Jordan, my lot of not being Pro Bowl bullshit. Number one ranked number one ranked player in all of offense in the NFL this year. The number one offensive player in the NFL, according to PFF,

okay, number one ranked offensive player ahead of Saquon, ahead of ahead of Saquon system running back. I hope we're not good tackle. I hope we're not having this discussion about the concussion protocol next week. I, I agree. I don't think that Philly fans will understand. No he doesn't. Yeah. Absolutely doesn't understand. He's like, what do you mean? I just knowing Philadelphia as a city, uh, your starting quarterback has not been cleared to return to practice the week of a playoff game. That is not gonna go well This isn't the week of a playoff. I'm saying next. Oh, yes next week. That would be a big big big big problem big issue

By the way, I was thinking about it because Saquon Barkley obviously went over 2,000 yards Adrian Peterson almost broke Eric Dickerson Dickerson's record in 2012. That is another one where similar to Dan Marino, he deserves more credit because he had one of the worst quarterbacks of all time in Christian Ponder. And his number one weapon was Percy Harden. Terrible quarterback. They just, they could load the box. Adrian Peterson just ran right through him. Yep. And he should have gotten that record too. Yeah, he did. He should have. He was so close. So, so close. What Hank, what happened? Jerry. Oh, you're watching Jerry. Sorry, is that the one? No. Oh, is it coming up? No. Oh, it's behind close. No, I thought it was close. Got it. Okay. Texas Titans. Titans minus one and a half over under 37.

I the Titans are wearing the Oilers throwbacks. That's it. That's so sad. So sad. It's so sad. Need the Texans just stomp them for that. But I don't know. I don't know.

I feel like this might be Jerry. No, that was the one we got the two headed monster of Will Levis and Mason Rudolph. You don't know how to game plan for that. No, you absolutely don't. And I believe the Texasans are not gonna play a lot of guys, right? I I think Tomiko said that they're gonna play the starters Just because they look so bad in the last game got it So it's like if I think it goes based off how the first drive looks God if they have a good first drive On offense, then they'll probably take the starters out. Good first

stop on defense. Okay. Get off the field. Um, we also have incentives. Uh, Tony Pollard, 83 yards. He gets 250,000. Okay. That's possible. But that we should just do an incentives parlay for the touchdowns, especially. Yeah. I've got, I've got one that I'm looking at later. One guy, this is a huge weekend for one guy in particular Okay. All right. Let's in this game. Yeah, no, let's not no real analysis on this game Yeah, I hope that the Titans lose so that they can be two and what is it to in 15? Yeah, yeah Panthers and Falcons This game also. I mean the Falcons obviously if they win and the Bucks lose they're in I don't think the Bucks are gonna lose

so the Falcons are just They're hoping and praying they're just thinking about last week. They're thinking about timeouts. Yep So the good news is if you're the Falcons Raheem Moore still has a timeout left over. Yep So he gets forward to start the game. That's a good advantage. Mm-hmm Yeah, just it's you're just gonna spend this this entire game being like, fuck, we should have won that game. Yeah. Yeah. And you could have been in the playoffs. You could have won this one last week, won this week, been in the playoffs with Michael Penix would have been awesome for them. But instead, no, I don't hate the Panthers in this game. Was it eight points? The defense is so banged up. Yeah, bad. Yeah. Eight points. It's a lot. Yeah. Um, Miles Sanders legacy game. Oh, okay. This is for his legacy in Carolina. I like that. I like that. Here's another depressing game Jaguars occults, Colts minus five over under 44. The Anthony Anthony Richardson fallout has been a little ugly. Obviously McAfee had his long tweet, which I actually thought was like

well said, where he was just like, you guys, I tried to say that the culture was not good in this locker room and everyone said that I was being a hater. Turns out the culture is not good at that locker room. And there was a report. They were so this is I think from the athletic, they're trying to hold Richardson accountable, which is understandable. But then the guy they put in wasn't the guy either talking about flacco So when they went back to AR at that point, it's like, okay but what are we doing that really affected the team and then multiple players met with Richardson privately to tell him he wasn't meeting the standard and

It sounds like everyone's been trying to he's been late to meetings and stuff like that It's a mess. Fire Chris Ballard and try to figure it out from there. Yeah. So we're not going to preview Jags games, though, because we said those are Colts. Those are Colts preview. We do have Colts tickets to give away to somebody. Oh, God. So what for the Jaguars game?

What should it be? Bortles jerseys. If you have if you have a Bortles. Yeah. If you're a Jaguars fan that is planning on going to this game. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. Cause the Colts fans, you, you shouldn't want to go to this game. This is, it's suppressive. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, okay. Saints at box. So hit up, pardon my meme at pardon my meme. If you're a Jags fan in Indy this weekend and you want two tickets. Yeah. All right. Saints meme, if you're a Jags fan in Indy this weekend and you want two tickets.

Yeah. All right. Saints at bucks, bucks minus 14 over under 43 and a half. We do have some incentives in this game. So this game, I think the bucks are going to win. Saints are walking corpse. They just want the season to end. So Mike Evans is gets $3 million. If he catches five passes and 85 more yards. That's a lot of money. Yeah. Also Baker in his contract. And remember Baker had that whole like that terrible thing where like he got kind of robbed of a lot of his money. So I mean he obviously is doing fine, but it's not like that stolen by it's got some financial advice. Yeah. Uh, so Baker has five incentives in his contract, each worth half a million dollars. He gets paid if he finishes the season in the top 10 in the league or top five

in the NFC in any of these categories, passer rating, touchdown passes, passing yards, completion percentage or yards per pass attempt through through the through 17 games. He's like third or fourth in all of these. Yeah. So he that's another two and a half million dollars. Yeah. It's a good get. It's big. And also with those 85 yards for Mike Evans, then he would get to a thousand yards. Yep. The 11th straight season. Every season he's been in the NFL. Jerry Rice tie his record. Pretty good record to have. Mike Evans is a certified first ballot Hall of Famer that deserves more respect is getting close to top five wide receiver all time.

Yeah. So here's the real question about this game. The Saints, it they should want their season to be over. Yeah. But they're planning on maybe bringing back all their starters. Yeah, I like Derek Carr. I saw that might Might play, as of right now when we're taping this, he might play. Kamara might play. They're doing a simulated game, which I think is also known as practice.

If you're an interim coach, you call it, sounds more badass. Something that Jalen Hurts can't do right now. That's very true. Chris Olavi might return. I don't know why. That's crazy. He's out of the concussion protocol before Jalen Hurts?

Yeah, apparently. So I don't know why. That's crazy. He's out of the concussion protocol before Jalen Hurts? Yeah, apparently. So I don't know if these guys are going to play yet because we don't have the final word on it, but it seems like they want to play their best players. Why are you pointing like that? Focus on him. Chris Alavi got- He's just looking at me.

Look at your co-hosts. Chris Alavi got two concussions and he's out of concussion protocol maybe. Yeah, that's crazy. It is kind of wild. But yeah, I don't know why the Saints are doing this. What's the upside? Yeah, it makes no sense. It makes no sense. Also the Saints, I feel like when they play at the Bucks, they typically play pretty hard. Yeah. Pretty well. Yeah. They don't like each other. No, that's for sure. What were you saying memes? MVS also needs one touchdown for 250k. Okay, so that might happen. By the way, the looking at you reminded me I forgot to tell this story that I read an article today. Chris Boswell made the Pro Bowl and he was talking about his career and he said that when he was first on the Steelers

that James Harrison would in practice stand over the kicks and say if you miss this kick you fucking kicker you got to wash my back in the shower and then he would he said that they would sit in team meetings and James Harrison would just like be sitting like a couple rows over and just be staring at Chris Boswell the entire time. See this is what kickers need. You don't need this lovey-dovey shit from Sark. You better. You're going to have to wash my back in the shower.

And that's a big back too. Yeah, it's a huge bag. Take a long time. Oh, I just love the idea of James Harrison just not listening to anything. Mike Tomlin sang and just staring at Chris Boswell instead. Little bitch. Yeah. Better make this fucking kick. All right. So, um, max earmuffs. So if I'm being real, I would like for the, for the bucks to win and for the Packers to lose this weekend because I feel like the bucks is probably my best road. Yeah. The bucksucks fun fact about the Bucks. I don't think they I think they've beaten only one team

over 500. No, be us. No, at the time I'm saying at the time. Well, we might have been though we were at 500. We were oh, no, they beat the Detroit Lions, right? Yeah, let me see this. When is it maybe it's in their last. They also be the Eagles. that when we was that so that's that's just wrong. I'm just wrong She couldn't be more wrong about that stat I'm looking I'm looking up their schedule to maybe save myself a little but I Early reports are that that was very wrong. I myself a little but I early reports are that that was very wrong I don't know this is the time of year where it's like I just see a tweet I'm just like oh shit that's interesting yeah you could lie they beat you week one yeah it doesn't count zero and zero 500 over 500 is the is the thing they did beat the Lions

they were the Eagles what were your record? At that time we were two and one. Okay, here's what it is. And I probably just read it too fast. I believe since September they have not beaten a team over 500. Because their wins have been the Saints, the Giants, the Panthers, the Raiders, the Chargers would be the one team, that's where it is. Since September, they've beaten one team more for a hundred and the Panthers again. Okay, y'all take that.

They had a tough early schedule. I think they're a good team. September's basically the post-preseason. Yeah. Not even real regular season. Yeah. If you were team X though, hypothetical team X in the NFC, and you had to pick who you wanted to play in the playoffs, would you rather play at the Rams, the Bucs or the Eagles team X?

I would rather play Rams one Bucs to Eagles three. You'd rather play the Rams. I would. I think it'd be Bucs Rams Eagles. I agree for team that I'm not a believer in the Rams Championship experience though. I'm a believer in Sean McVay's coaching ability. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I guess that probably makes sense. The bucks probably, I mean, they've only beaten one team over 500 this entire year. Yeah. So yeah, that makes sense. Uh, okay. Yeah. I'll go with that. Bucks, Rams, Eagles, and'll go with that. Bucks, Rams, Eagles, and now you need the Bucks to what? lose? No, no Bucks, Bucks win. I got the playoff simulator pulled up

right here. We need the Bucks to win. And then we need to we need to win. Okay, got it. And then it'll be you versus Steven Chey with university of electric which I I've lost to him before Yeah, it's not a pleasant experience Oh, and then I think we would also need the Seahawks to beat the Rams got it for that to happen Which should happen because the Rams are sitting everyone could happen. Okay Afternoon Chiefs at Broncos. This is the big one. It is everything. It all hinges. This is the hinge game. Carson Wentz controls the fate of Sunday. I can think of no worst fate. If you had to pick one guy in the NFL for everybody else's enjoyment to be pinned on. He's the last. He's dead last. DTR, we've got we got Bo Nicks who beat up Patrick Mahomes in Pro Bowl this year. And the Broncos obviously have everything to play for. The Chiefs, the only thing they have

to play for is to just be like, yeah, we're the fucking Chiefs. Yeah. I, I kind of like the Chiefs in this game. There's so much pressure on the Broncos. I mean, and maybe not to win it outright, but 10 and a half, like, there's just so much pressure on the Broncos Mm-hmm, and you have Carson Wentz who had the reports like hey look I this these are These are moments that I have to like cherish and take advantage of because I don't know how many I'm gonna have

But he's gonna try to play his best which that could be a problem. You know what I'll say this It's way more entertaining that we get Carson Wentz and try your very best game than it would be if we had Bailey's happy Mm-hmm, right. Absolutely because you're either gonna get something Spectacular from Carson Wentz. Are you gonna get like the most awkward? Looking like a deer on a frozen over pond. Yeah from Carson went from Carson Wentz. Yeah Yeah, there's just so much pressure on the Broncos. Like you just can't fuck up. You're playing the backups. You can't fuck up and they might fuck up.

But if the Chiefs win, then everything else gets way more exciting. That's absolutely true. That's absolutely true. All right, let's do the next game, Dolphins and Jets. Listen, I know Dolphins fans are upset because I saw it. They're a little upset that we discounted the Dolphins. Here's my thing on the Dolphins fans are upset because I saw it. They're a little upset that we discounted the Dolphins. Here's my thing on the Dolphins. And I said a lot of nice things about Dan Marino.

Remember those things I said about Dan Marino? And Brian Flores. And Brian Flores said a lot of, well no, I actually said nice things. About Tua. No, I said nice things for, Dolphins fans will back up everything I said about Brian Flores. True. If the Dolph dolphins could get in

the playoffs and I could guarantee the two was healthy and they could play in a dome, I'd be interested in watching a dolphins playoff game. If the dolphins get in the playoffs and it's not to a, and it's going to Buffalo, seen it. We're actually helping out dolphins fans here. The meanest thing you could hope for is to get to the playoffs, make the trip to Buffalo super cold bills win by 35 points. Yeah. And I guess I know that with Skylar Thompson, you only lost by three in that same setting, but I just, I can't do the dolphins in a cold weather playoff game again. I just, I want really good playoff games. What happened

last year in Kansas city was just a total quit where it's like, that was a waste of our Saturday night. Remember we started watching the Telemundo? Yeah. What are they? Panuela? Panuela. Panuela. I just, I, I'm sorry Dolphins fans. If you gave me a choice, Bron'm sorry Dolphins fans if you gave me a choice Broncos Dolphins or Bengals in the playoffs. It's Broncos and Bengals way ahead of the dog. It does it's something new Well, it's not new for the Bengals something new for the Broncos and it's an insane explosive offense for the Bengals Yeah, but I can understand if you're if you're a Dolphins fan, you would rather get into the playoffs I guess especially after a season that looked as lost as this season did many times over where it felt like the sky was falling.

Oh, all the time for the Dolphins. If you can turn a sky is falling season into a playoff berth, that's a pretty cool thing. All right. But we're just thinking we're trying to protect Dolphins fans. Yeah. You don't, you know what would happen if you went up and you saw, you saw daddy and Josh Allen hung four touchdowns on you and the game was over in the second quarter. Yeah I'm I'm going I'm rooting against the Dolphins to make the playoffs if the Dolphins somehow make

the playoffs I will be the first on Sunday night when we're taping the show to say that was an insane season by the Dolphins to put it all back together for Mike Murtaino to keep the team going and find a way to get into a playoffs where you thought it was completely lost after two of got concussed. All credit to the Dolphins. Like they would be deserving and it would be nuts because they were dead.

They were dead in the water, you know, six weeks into the season, but I'm not gonna root for you on Sunday. It would also answer the question that we had about Mike McDaniel when he first got the job. Like how can he do in a season where everything goes to shit? He's done pretty well. He's done okay. Yeah, no, no, no. The Dolphins have done pretty well in this season. And so they're going up against the Jets. Memes, congratulations on interviewing Lewis

Riddick and Ron Rivera for GM and coach. I love these posts, by the way, that the official team accounts put out. Like after they've concluded it, they're usually sponsored posts too. Yeah. It's like we've just interviewed Ron Rivera, sponsored by Bose. I thought of a positive for Ron Rivera. Okay. Great guy.

We know him. I have his phone number. He's an owner killer. Oh, that is true. Yes. So his final two years of the Panthers. Oh, I want Ron Rivera. Yeah.

He sold the team. And then the final is last two years of the Panthers And then the final is Last two seasons of the commanders how many he was there for three? Yeah. Yeah, that's true. And then they say hell That's a good spin zone. That'd be a positive. He's such a he's such a good person that he ends up making The bad owners be like hey, we got it. We got to get out of here We've seen how good a person should be. Yeah, And we're just not that he's a nice guy. Good. Very good. I guess. Guest. Very nice guy. Uh, memes, which air be sad stat for the jets. Be a B would be the jets have gone nine straight years without an offensive player in the Pro Bowl 2015 Brandon Marshall.

That there's no way that's true. There's no way that's true. We had a wide receiver but it was technically special teams. Hmm. I don't think that counts. Is that true? I'm Robert. That's a long time. Okay, you want a sure Greg Joseph is now the kicker for the Jets the Jets have more kickers this year than wins All right Positive it's their fifth kicker There's also a stat that's a soft The Jets signed five players from the commanders which would line up for Ron Abert getting the job who they sign I'll have to pull up sweet tweet. But it was Greg Joseph.

They signed a D lineman, a cornerback. So Ron was getting his players in there ahead of time to learn the playbook from a different coach. And then they're getting them in. Yeah, just to learn the culture and the environment. Is this Aaron Rodgers' last game for the New York Jets memes? I believe so. And then in the final act

I think they're gonna get him killed because we oh my god Our right guard it was Dnp and Morgan Moses who the right tackle was also a D not DMP today So if we don't have either of them, I'll lose out and Rogers might get sacked a thousand times Okay. Yeah, I mean it doesn't feel like Aaron Rogers, he says he's no darkness retreat this year, so that's good. Well he's gonna lock in. Yeah it's been the best two years of his life. Yeah. It's gonna be fine. I guess it's been a cool year. You got paid a lot of money for not working. Yes, you're sucked

No last year. I'm saying yeah, he was injured. But I mean if you get paid how about 20 million 30 million? To not work. That's a pretty good year. Yeah, it's a really good year By the way, we'll have more with the Aaron Rodgers stuff with Florio who actually has some good insight Don't give it all away max this time insight. Don't give it all away Max. This time. You're about to. Not just that one part. Okay. Chargers at Raiders. Raiders plus four and a half. Chargers, if the Steelers lose the Chargers are going to want to win this game because they would play the Texans and get up to the five seed. I feel like there's a correlated parlay in there. Maybe take Bengals and Chargers. Because if the first leg hits, that line will

probably go a little higher because the Chargers will have more incentive to play. The Steelers win the Chargers will have nothing to play for, correct? The Steelers win. Let me pull up the playoff machine again here. I believe they have nothing to play for because they beat the Broncos twice this year the the good vibes fun parlay Which is Jets Chiefs Bengals money line is 17 to 1 whoa 17 half to wait say it again Jets Chiefs Bengals Not the hungry dog that's not the hungry dog I just but for oh because the Bengals are favorites Yeah, mm-hmm. Yes, it'll be a hungry dog. I would just, but for, Oh, because the Bengals are favorites. Yeah. Yes. Will there be a hungry dog?

Steelers win and the chargers would be, they get the six seed. Yeah. No matter what. Yeah. Uh, so just watch that. That will be important. Yeah. Uh, I don't think that Harbaugh is capable of playing any activity where he's not trying to win. Well, that's not the object of it. So I feel like they're going to go out there and, uh, and compete. I'm going to try to win the game. I wouldn't be shocked if like the Steelers win this, the game on Saturday night. And then like the chargers medical staff is like tells all the guys like, just say you're injured to start the game. Cause otherwise there's no, I mean, literally did say we're attacking it with an enthusiasm unknown to mankind. Yeah. Yeah. But hasn't he said that before about things? Everything. It's just like every time he says that it's unknown

to mankind because this week it's even more enthusiasm. Correct. He just keeps bumping up the enthusiasm. Also incentive watch JK Dobbins 58 rushing yards for 150k. That's gotta be so awesome to go into a game being like if I do this like if I catch one touchdown pass I get a half a million dollars yeah that's awesome and I feel like all other teammates are rooting for them to make money yeah it's not their money you want your boys to get paid yeah absolutely all right Seahawks at Rams Rams minus six and a half over thirty eight and a half Gino this is my incentive special.

Yeah, 185 yards passing gets $2 million. So not only that. Yeah. Yeah, that's scratching the surface, big cap. Buckle up. Smith gets $2 million if the Seahawks finish with a 10th win. OK.

He gets $2 million if he gets 4,282 yards. That's the one where he's, uh, he's 185 away. And he also gets 2 million bucks if he finishes with a completion percentage better than 69.75. Right now he's at 70.23. Whoa. So Gino Smith could make $6 million. So this is not only Gino Smith, but this is also dump offs. Yeah. offs. Yeah Okay, yeah, Charbonne catch is Charbonne catches Walker. See I plan out still. Yeah

But yeah, okay We gotta go. We're gonna go crazy on Gino Gino Gino is gonna listen Gino. Wait What was the second one you said the 10 10 wins, the yards, and the completion. He needs 185 yards, and then he needs to win, and then he has to finish with a completion percentage better than 69.75. Right now he's just above 70. So if he finishes this game at 69, that might be enough to bring it down. I don't know, I'm not a math guy. What are you doing, Max? Sorry. That caught my eye. He needs it to be safe. He's got to get,

so I don't know. 69.75% is what the number is. If he, would it drop him down beneath that? If he finished this game at 69, it would for the record. record also I saw something that popped up on my Twitter that said bears eyeing head profile. airs I high Oh my god bears I high profile coaches for head coaching role and it was about Mike McCarthy and then the first tweet in it was just mine saying stop this which should have told you to stop this. So this is our Gino game. This is our Gino game. Okay, I think we got to unload the clip on Gino. Yeah, I agree. Nobody's ever believed in Gino Smith more than us. Yes and Jimmy G starting for the Rams Jimmy G who's a winner He is a winner. He went to a Super Bowl. He wins football games. Yep, what's actually multiple soup? this is technically maybe the funniest outcome would be if

Jimmy G went out there and just lit it up and then to see what team would then overpaid Jimmy Garoppolo to be a quarterback for the next season I feel like if you're Jimmy Garoppolo, even if team would then overpay Jimmy Garoppolo to be a quarterback for them next season. I feel like if you're Jimmy Garoppolo, even if someone tries to overpay you, it's like, dude, being the backup in Sean Sean McVay, like being around Sean McVay, just do that. Yeah, just be there. And also Matthew Stafford is like the toughest guy ever. Yeah.

So so your job is pretty safe. Yeah, it's good job. Okay, 49ers the Cardinals wrapping up the afternoon slate. Uh, big question here is Josh Dobbs. Can you have a revenge game if you've played for eight teams? No. Okay. I thought so. It's tough to have a revenge game in that scenario. And also every stop you made, I think it was like the team being like, we're going to give Josh Dobbs a shot. The first team that got rid of you still The Steelers. Selfish Steelers.

Yeah. I think you can have that revenge game. Yeah. Also, Kyler Murray is 50 rushing yards and one rushing TD away from 750,000. So that should be in there. Yeah. And really nothing, there's no difference made in this game

if you're the 49ers, if you win or lose, really. No. Josh Dobbs. You're going to be picking right around 11. Yeah. My notes for this game were the incentives and then it was we need to just keep hammering. It starts right now. Today's January 3rd, 2025. I know he's got a lot of years left but George Kittle should be in Canton. He is the

fourth tight end all-time to time to have 4000 yard seasons. Fourth all time. So Kelsey has seven of them. Gronk has four, Witten has four, Kittle has four. Yeah, put them in. Put them in a gold jacket. George Kittle should be in a gold jacket. We'll start working on a PowerPoint. But he's an absolute monster. You know what? This season's been bad, but he's been great. I'll say this if kiddle when he gets into the Hall of Fame. Yep, we'll make our own bust of George Kittle Yes to keep in this studio. Yes, absolutely. It will say Greg Kittle Yeah, and we'll make it bigger than the Canton one Yeah, it looks sweet double the size his hair his flow will be better whatever hairstyle

He wants in it. The Mohawk will be incredible. You name it. He's a Hall of Famer. Start, start referring to him as George Kittle Hall of Famer. Yeah. Do you think that the Cardinals try extra hard in this game to put up points? Because the last half of the season has been so disappointing. Try maybe. Yeah, is that good day? Is that Jake Marsh? Yeah, that is Jake Marsh. Our darling Jake Jerry. We're doing a good job of watching this Jerry stream being distracted while we're podcasting. Also, Jake, being on TV reminded me with college football, with the playoffs on, I would like to see Jake Marsh calling college football next year. Yeah. I feel like a lot of people would. Yeah. So if you're a big so-and-so out there, hire fucking Jake Marsh. Oh, actually, I talked to Jake this morning and I meant to tell him, when he listens to this, Jake, text me your predictions for time slots

for the playoff games. Yeah. On Sunday. Although we did do that like five weeks ago. Yeah, but I wanna see his, cause he takes a lot of pride in it. And he usually nails them. Yeah, except that one.

That one has a big mistake. He went like all of them wrong and he was him. Yeah, except that one. That one was all wrong. He was devastated Okay last game the big game Vikings at Lions Lions minus two and a half over under 56 and a half Maybe the best game of the NFL season is the last game. I'm so excited for this game Did you see Vikings OC West Phillips said Sam Darnold is a guys guy type of guy? I saw that yeah guys guy type of guy. That's a football guy. That is I think that's it

We've been looking for the way to describe a football guy for eight years a guys guy type of guy. Yeah, that's a football guy I don't know how the Lions defense is going to hold up. Although Alex and Zoloni did return to practice. So that's good. I Don't I just don't know. I don't know how I think the lion's offense will continue to be elite. Uh, but that defense is just, it's tough. I don't think Dan Campbell is going to punt. I honestly don't, I don't think that he is this. So this game, I think Kevin O'Connell might not punt. That would be awesome right before the game. Jim's agreement. Cause like, why would you want to give it back to the Lions offense? Yeah, neither one of us will punt.

And you know, if you're the Vikings, what what's the point? Like, there's got to be a better chance on fourth down that you're going to get a first down against the Lions defense than stopping the Lions from scoring on the way back. Yeah. Maybe the best way is like punt till Jack Fox boom one down there. Who's also he made the Pro Bowl, which is crazy.

Yeah. That the Lions punter of all people yeah made the Pro Bowl let them return it for a touchdown so you just get the ball right back yeah that's kind of like a turnover yeah exactly and then you just go for two yeah so this game is gonna be awesome I don't I honestly don't know I lean lions just because of the home crowd and like playing with that edge but the Vikings are just really fucking good Yeah, so it's in this game. It's the most combined wins of any regular season game in NFL history Yeah, but so I didn't realize this there's only been eight teams total in NFL history to have 15 wins in a season

So one of these teams is gonna be the ninth team and it's the fact that it's happening obviously with 17 games a little bit easier but this will be the This year we'll have two teams with 15 wins no matter what unless they tie I guess yeah, but yeah the The 15 win list is short only eight teams. It's the 84 Niners 85 Bears 98 Vikings teams. It's the 84 Niners, 85 Bears, 98 Vikings, 04 Steelers, 07 Patriots, 11 Packers, 15 Panthers, 24 Chiefs, and then the winner of this game. So pretty cool. Also, do you know that Dan Campbell has more wins this season than Matt Patricia did in two and a half seasons? I did know that. Yeah.

It's pretty crazy. Again, great job by the Patriots sending your coaches out like little dandelion seeds floating through the wind to just go poison other NFL franchises. We didn't talk about it because it was Monday night football. We didn't have a show on Wednesday. I, I understand people being like Dan Campbell's an idiot for playing everyone. I had no problem with it because again, Dan Campbell is as consistent as consistent gets, and he said it before the game. He was like, I'm going to get ahead of it.

So when you guys rip me, this is the plan. Like, I just think that the, that's just what his culture is. And it's just balls to the wall all the time. I think there's something to be said too, for guys that are stepping into positions on defense to just get them in games more. Yeah. And they're not going to, they're not going to get better unless they play. And the lions are still on that climb up. If the lions win the super bowl this year, I would expect Dan Campbell to, to, to maybe be a

little bit different next year if they get, if given that same exact spot, it's like, Hey, we've been there, done that. But they're still on that hunger climb up where that game meant something to them personally, because that's where they lost last year. And yeah, I just Dan Campbell does everything he telegraphs what he's going to do. He's going to be insanely aggressive at all times. And I think everyone in that locker room buys in and that's all that matters. Whoever loses this game is going to be the best fifth seed, the best wildcard team of all time. Yeah. And it's, I mean, it's, it's brutal. The, the The like the consequences of losing this to have to go on the road. Immediately. Imagine that

you're the Bucks or the Rams. You're just sitting there. We want we want our division. Oh, fuck the Detroit Lions. Who would you want? Well, if I'm the Bucks, I think I would rather have the Detroit Lions because we beat them in September. But then if you're the Rams, you'd rather have the Vikings, did you beat them also? Yeah. I guess that makes sense. I feel like whoever if these teams meet up again in the NFC championship, whoever loses is going to win. Oh, I like that. I like that. So not the end of the world if you lose this game. That's like my less it's the Eagles like unless that team loses and you have to go play like if you're playing

in a dome. Yeah, I think the Lions could easily win in Minnesota. If they have to go to Philadelphia. Yeah, maybe a little different story that that's like my I wish we could find out who the MVP is before the Ravens and Bills potentially play in the playoffs because I would take whoever lost the MVP to win that game Yeah, yeah Okay picks time

Let's do it. So max you get three Pft and I get to reminder Pft and I are two points up on max. We have 18 max has 16 if there are any ties The tied people go to the bachelor party together. Max, you want to go first? I am. Yes. Right? Well, yeah, I think you have first pick. I have first pick.

What would your first pick be? Should I say or should Hank? Max. No, you say. Seahawks minus six and a half. Ooh. Bad pick. Geno Smith. a half. Oh Bad pick Gino Smith Jimmy G terrible pick max Jimmy G forgot about you know Smith needs to win the game for two million dollars That was a first place. That was my number one that I said Okay

I'm gonna take the Vikings and the Lions over I wrote down the wrong number here. Mm-hmm, but what is the over on that game? number here. But what is the over on that game? 56 and a half. 56 and a half. PFT has had 42 and a half. I have it at 42 and a half. Oh, I love it at 42 and a half. Yeah. Holy shit. Yeah, that's great. I just, that's the fun over. Yeah. Okay. I'm going to take, uh, do I take my top two socks? I'm going to be rooting for the under for that game. Technically. Hank? Do you have to say? Yeah. Oh, I do? Well, no. Well, not to... I'll take my second one and another one, but it's not going against anyone else.

Correct. All right. I'm going to... You know what? I'll take my top two. Stick my guns, top two, Bengals minus two, and the Panthers Falcons over 48. I got the opposite side. I got the Steelers plus two. So then I have my next two right Hank? Yeah. I have the Bengals Steelers over 48. Whoa. And the what he means you say he said don't do it. I'm not gonna do it I switched I told I told memes I told me I was gonna take the Jets, but I'm switching it to

Saints bucks over 43 and a half The What's it called the incentives game since mm-hmm? Yeah, I like that that was on my list Okay, so wait, what are your three picks Mac? I? I have the Seahawks minus six and that over in Bengal Steelers is is Disgusting pick why? Because the Steelers might not be like playing I guess I mean we know they're gonna play they're gonna play and the Bengals deep

I guess yeah, there's a lot of there's a lot of points There's a lot of points the Bengals are some they are the Bengals are playing for the worst defense ever. There's a lot of points. There's a lot of points the first time they play. The Bengals are playing for their lives. All right, say it again. Take it back. Bengals, Steelers over 48. OK. Saints, Bucks over 43 and 1 half. And Seahawks minus 6 and 1 half.

So it could come down to that. Because my two games will be done by the late slate. Your two games will be. I got the late, oh, you have the late late one. So we have that. Oh yeah. That would be great. It could really come down to that. Yeah. If max goes three at oh and PFT needs a win. I thought that I thought I wasn't the bucks saints. I thought I wasn't going to get, I had that on my list. It just wasn't top two. Can't believe you're three. Well, that one is just, I saw the Gino need

if Gino wins the game, they game, he gets $2 million. Yeah. They have to win that game for him. Yeah. All right, so should we do our TD parlay? Can we put the Seahawks in our TD parlay? Why not? Yeah.

Why not? Seahawks money line? Yeah. All right, fine, we won't max. Okay. Let's let's get some you know what I'll do Kyler Murray because he gets that 500,000 if he scores a rushing touchdown. Okay, I like that. Man Hank conviction. Jackson Smith, Najib. Okay. All right. Conviction Jackson Smith Najibah. Okay. All right Pft Do a do a Vikings Lions. Yeah, I'm trying to think of pretty much anybody in this game should score in theory

In theory everyone should score. I will go we'll go Jefferson. Okay, what are the odds on what we just put out there? I don't know if all those score TD scores are out yet. Okay, okay. But those should be pretty good odds with with Kyler Murray. Right. Yeah. Okay. All right. Let's finish up before we get to Mike Florio. By the way, DraftKings go to DraftKings and bet all of our TD parlays and our picks every day is game day DraftKings Sportsbook. And now through the end of the year, it's extra special. All customers will get a special daily promo every single day from profit boosts, odd boosts, no sweat bets and more there's something for everyone download the DraftKings Sportsbook app now use code TAKE that's code TAKE and

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I got all my, I got four leagues going week 18. My stardom is six packs. Six packs. Superbowl six packs on the way. We got it. Fuck yes. January time, time to lock in, get in the gym. Get that six pack going. My st the six packs six pack dry January yeah

you're doing pretty much dry January doing fry January right January January I like that surprise drink some some beers on Fridays yeah okay love it and my or if it's your birthday yeah my birthday which is not but maybe if it's somebody's birthday then you can drink deal's my birthday, which it's not, but maybe. If it's somebody's birthday, then you can drink. Deal. Deal. Love it. Or what?

If football's on TV too, you can drink beer's that. Deal. My sleepers? Jumpsuits. Things are so comfortable, you can sleep in them. I got a nice velour one on. Good to be back in the season, boys. Hell yes.

Looking good, boys. Our Italians in jumpsuits, it just feels right. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Hey, it's Johnny Buglisi what's up Johnny up my Johnny B my start I was gonna start jumpsuits because it is oh hell yeah right so we're all zipped up here boys looking good was that telling it's Sergio Ticini like the jumpsuit solves a lot of problems

mm-hmm my sitting my I'm sitting the Cleveland Browns because they're so fucking boring I can't stand this kid. See it don't get him out of my face. Just send the rest of the season Just don't show up on Sundays guys. Come on And then our Saturday this week was subjected to an extra day at Cleveland Browns My sleeper is is pornhub pornhub is sleeping if you're in like a third of the United States because it's now officially banned in 33 percent of states in the United States right now. Oh shit. You can't log on without an ID Are we gonna whack off for those people to go to sleep? Government government putting the wet sticky hands into your cell phones get them all shit them off there. That's bullshit

What's up? What's up fuckers? It's Freddy. Freddy Alfredo. Hey Freddy. My stardom is health because I'm two days in. No candy in January. Love that. What do we think about that boys? No candy or ice cream in January. No sweets. No sweets in January. No sugars in January. We're doing baby steps. What about your birthday? Whoa shit gotta have cake. What about donuts on Saturday? Gonna buy them for my kids. What about if there's Maybe just take out donuts donuts on Saturday count that doesn't count What about when you order $40 worth of candy? I'm not gonna do that. What about dessert? Not gonna do that if you have a bad day game only donuts on Saturday and

Cake on my birthday. That's it. What if you're on a cold streak? Not gonna happen Already happen if you're really two days in all right. My sit em is mr. Beast So he kind of did a thing. Did you guys see that? No, no proposed to his gu-ma, but he used the caption so I kinda did a thing. That's some chick stuff bro. I did a thing. That's some chick stuff. Some personal news.

Yeah. Put a ring on it. So I kinda did a thing. And then my sleeper is Geno Smith. Good sleeper. I think he's gonna have a big game. Yeah, did you guys see this? Alright, listen.

Cool. But, doing so- so kind of did a thing. That's it That's a chicken Instagram hashtag, right? I did a thing and then what's the emote or we did a thing? Yeah Yeah, well, he said I kind of did a thing making all about himself. Yeah, Mrs. Beast You should be respected too. You were part of the process white boy Rick I think had a funny tree was talking about one of the funniest phenomenons on Instagram for engagements is the chicks in the comments best friends who want to be like I knew before everyone else and will comment like

Finally or like like I've been holding it in forever like finally or like like I've been holding it in forever. Like I was, I was so happy when you told me. Yeah, right. Yeah. Just being like, I knew before everyone else, just want to let everyone know. Wait, go back to the picture of the hand. He could have done better. With the ring with the ring side. Yeah, I agree. You know, what he should have done is he should have had his, he should have been like, Hey, my girlfriend, I'd like to propose to you. Here's an African diamond mine

And I'll give you 24 days to find the biggest diamond you can get yeah Or if he goes he just puts it on a live stream the the more hours you can last without saying a word Yeah, the diamond gets bigger. Yeah Great if he beast applied it yeah,. So he kind of did a thing. Why are they all just wearing his merch? Also this is the most staged picture ever. That wasn't a candid. You don't think that was at the moment? Congrats to him though.

Looks very happy. I did see somebody when Jeremy Reeves got engaged after Sunday Night Football last week. I saw somebody that was saying like, I would never in a million years get down on my knee to propose to a woman. Yeah, I saw that. That's like I would never in a million years get down on my knee to propose to a woman Yeah, I saw that that's a bad way to start off a relationship. Yeah putting yourself beneath the woman That's honest fellas. Is it gay to propose sounds like it. I think it might be what a take what a take. Okay Let's get to Mike Floreo Before we get to Mike Floreo, he's brought to you by neutrophil

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year. It's Mike Florio. Mike we wanted to have you on because it feels like there's a lot. It's like almost a precursor to what will be black Monday soon. In a matter of days, there's a lot going on in the league. I don't know where we, you know what, let's start. I got, I got one real quick for him because Mike is a big J journalist. We know that we respect him despite the fact that memes tries to slander them all the time. We always have your back Mike, but how can you claim to be neutral if you show up on a national sports podcast wearing a Minnesota Viking shirt?

Why do you, first question, why do you hate the Detroit lions? Yeah, that's a good question. That's well done. I wear what they send me. If the lions want to send me something, I'll wear it. I've gotten stuff from the Buccaneers. I've gotten stuff from the Eagles. Now this week, I don't know, if I had something

with the Lions, I'm not sure that I would wear it. You know, I used to wrestle with this idea that we have to appear neutral at all times, but over time I've realized that from Greeny to you, to Berman, doesn't Berman, I don't know who Berman, Berman loves the Bills, like. What an honor to be included in the act group. Yeah. But people, people don't shy away from whatever it is that drew them to the NFL in the first place. We're not Rob Lowe.

We didn't start following the NFL because we're fans of the NFL. We all had a team and mine is very deep seated, 50 plus years. I saw those purple helmets. I didn't know what the thing on the side was, but I loved it. I love Chuck Foreman. I didn't know what the thing on the side was, but I loved it. I love Chuck Foreman. I love Frank Tarkin 10. So the rare good years take me back to when I was like nine or 10 years old. Well, they have, they, they are having an incredible year. Uh,

obviously that game on Sunday night against the lions to decide the one seed. But the question I have for you, and I think you probably have more Intel than we do. What are the Vikings going to do with Sam Darnold? The Vikings would tell you they'll make their decision when they have to. And that sounds like a smart ass remark, but they don't have to do anything for now. And they always have the franchise tag available if they would try to work out

some sort of deal with. Now, at one point, I thought they would let him go see what else is out there because there aren't a lot of teams that will be definitely looking for a new starter and would pay someone starter money on the open market also I think there's a general sense that Sam Darnold's performance at least as of a few weeks ago might have been artificially boosted by Kevin O'Connell and that you can't replicate that with another team. But something happened, I'd say in the second half of the game against the Cardinals, where

Darnold accessed a higher level of performance and when you hear what Kevin O'Connell says, when you see that video where they went nuts and dumped water all over him after the win Against the Packers they can't let him out of the building Jason Garrett turned to me at one point I think even before that game and said that you can't let this guy leave Everybody's looking for a franchise quarterback when you have a guy who's playing like a franchise quarterback. You can't let him leave They can figure out whatever they're gonna do with JJ McCarthy if they have to franchise tag him So be it if they can figure out whatever they're going to do with JJ McCarthy. If they have to franchise tag him, so be it. If they can work out a contract, so be it. But you can't let him go when he's, when he's gotten as good as he's gotten in his first year in

the system. Cause it'll be even better next year. Yeah. Do you think there's a chance that they would potentially trade JJ McCarthy, especially because this quarterback class feels like one of those quarterback classes where obviously teams are gonna talk themselves into a few guys but it's not maybe like last year where there was five or six guys that went in the top 15 so is there a chance they trade JJ McCarthy I think all options will be on the table if and when they decide Sam Darnold is the guy he's only 27 I know feels like he's been around forever and he turns 28 next June. So this is a guy you could have for five, seven, 10 years.

And you drafted JJ McCarthy because you're looking for a franchise quarterback and then one kind of stumbled into your lap. So if there's a team out there that's willing to make the Vikings an offer that they won't refuse, then. Then you, you do it. If it gives you opportunities to get young players, cheap players, high draft picks, if you can do that, then it's easy to justify.

And look at what the 49ers did. They gladly threw Trey Lance overboard because they stumbled into Brock Purdy. And you know, there's no one to blame, shit happens. We stumbled into Brock Purdy and he's so good that we can't let him go. We can't bench him. We can't go with Trey Lance. So they give Trey Lance away for nothing in comparison to what they gave up to get him.

And I think the Vikings get a hell of a lot more for JJ McCarthy than the 49ers got for Trey Lance if that's what they decide to do. Or they could just play it out a couple of years. You could let Darnold be the starter for two more years, let McCarthy learn for a total of three years and then flip to McCarthy at the appropriate time. What would that be? 2027, McCarthy becomes the starter. That's another option that I think is on the table. Yeah. I don't know why they would get rid of him right now unless the team came in and offered a high first round pick for him. Outside of that, I don't get why the Vikings would

move on. And then there's an argument out there that the Vikings should tag and trade Sam Darnold and just go with McCarthy. But the big unknown with McCarthy is we don't even know if he can play. He's like any other unscratched lottery ticket at this point. We know Darnold can play. We don't know that McCarthy can. So it becomes dangerous to move on from Darnold and hand the ball to McCarthy. Although I think O'Connell would do a pretty good job of getting the most out of McCarthy if he had to. Yeah, I agree with that. So, um, you mentioned Trey Lance.

Is there any chance that Trey Lance gets meaningful minutes this weekend? Isn't it weird that they, they just refuse to use him at one point. I thought it was a, a bizarre sort of, we don't want people to realize how good he is so we can sign him back to be the backup next year. But at some point it's just ridiculous. You just put the guy out there. His contract expires after this season. He's going to be a free agent.

And I mean, Cooper Rush hasn't been bad. And Cooper Rush has a good one loss record, but it's just odd to me that Trey Lance hasn't been able to earn playing time. And I don't know what the Cowboys ultimate motivation is and you know, who knows what they're going to do. And I think Jerry Jones loves the fact that we don't know what they're going to do. And, and we talk about what they're going to do, whether it's about Trey Lance, whether it's about Mike McCarthy, whether it's about anything, he just wants to give us things to talk about. Yeah. Yeah. So with Mike McCarthy, I mean, people have been talking about like getting fired. Mike McCarthy is his contract expires. So after the end of the season, what does that process look

like? Or are they going to start negotiating? Or are they going to just be like, do you think they'll just say, Hey, Mike, nature ran its course. Good luck. Godspeed. See you around. Jerry Jones has said that it's something that will be a topic next week and they love to take over the news cycle. If they can, I could see Jerry Jones dropping his decision on Mike McCarthy during a playoff game or right before a playoff game. Remember the Dak Prescott contract, the news of that hit during the pregame shows before the first Sunday of the regular season.

He knows how to commandeer the news cycle. And I think at some point next week we'll find out whether or not McCarthy's coming back. But because that contract expires, Mike McCarthy, if he wants to, when you think about everything Jerry Jones has put him through, forcing him to coach out his contract, saying, I think people work better if they're under pressure and all the other crap that he's had to deal with, wouldn't it be great if somebody else was interested in Mike McCarthy and he just said to Jerry Jones,

I don't want your job, go find somebody else. And Jerry would like at least the dance, at least the drama, because he loves it when the cowboys are able to consume our attention, even in a year when they're horrible, not horrible, but they're worse than they were expected to be. They're still commanding our attention, but McCarthy will be a free agent and could go anywhere he wants. So when does he hit free agency? When is his contract expired? They draft the

contracts so that they usually expire in February or something like that. I can't imagine he wouldn't be available to talk to other teams right away that he that he would need some sort of dispensation from the league. But because it happens so rarely, it's a great question. And I'm going to make a mental note to find out exactly when he's a free agent, we assume it's after the game. But that's a good question. Your instincts are good. Great question. Yeah, that's not you're making me

proud of that, son. Wait 2025. Yeah. You're making me proud of the internet son, 2020, 25, but I just, I assume that he's free and clear, but he might not be cause these contracts are written to expire at a certain date, usually after the regular season ends. And he may be, he may be strapped if the Cowboys want to play hardball. I feel like it would be after the super bowl, right? Like in the event that the Cowboys had made the super bowl this year, you don't want to lose your coach in January, But you could also do the, you could do it.

If you're done, if you're done, obviously if you're still alive, he's not going to get hired out from under you in the playoffs. But when you're done, does it end then or is there some artificial buffer that gives the Cowboys exclusive negotiating rights while all the other jobs fill up? It's like, Hey, sorry, Mike, there's no other jobs out there for you. You got to take our offer Yes He's just gonna have to go into the office and just kind of sit in his room I just wait wait for Jerry to call him into his office. Hope someone talks to him. Yeah, um Mike

I hate to bring up my bears because they're so goddamn bad But this recent report is making me very nervous and I want you to tell me it's not true I heard through the grapevine or I saw it on online and who knows that Ryan Poles is trying to softly push the Bears away from potentially hiring Ben Johnson because Ben Johnson would kick out Ryan Poles and it looks like Ryan Poles might try to hire Brian Flores who was a teammate of Ryan Poles at Boston College for a year, which would be the death of teammate of Ryan Poles at Boston College for a year, which would be the death of Caleb Williams, if Brian Flores, I mean what he did to a w what's going on? What, what the

fuck is going on? Why can't they just do something right? And just be like, Hey, we have a clean slate get rid of Ryan Poles, let a coach come in, let them bring the person that he wants to bring in, have them both lockstep for once, for once, have it be clean and everyone going in the same direction. Right after they fired Matt Eberfluss, I started poking around to figure out what the bears would be doing, where they'd be looking, what their focus would be, would become. And I was told in no uncertain terms, their number one objective is to get the most out of Caleb Williams over the long haul.

They view him as a franchise quarterback. They just need to get the most out of him. And the person I spoke to, that caused me to say, so you're getting an offensive guy. You've got to get an offensive guy because otherwise you get a defensive coach who hires an offensive coordinator, things start going well. The offensive coordinator says, see you later. I'm going to go be a head coach somewhere else, find another offensive coordinator, get the most out of Caleb Williams.

You want a Sean Payton, Drew Brees situation. I was told they're not closing any doors when it comes to which side of the ball the coach comes from. But yeah, offensive coach seems to be the message that the Bears are sending as it relates to this desire to get the most out of Williams. But these palace intrigue questions are real. We've seen them before and Ryan Polzin

gonna wanna hire the guy that's going to eventually push him out the door. He doesn't want a guy that he's not gonna be on the same page with, who's gonna come in, have success and try to take over. And it's critical that the GM and the head coach be on the same page. They should have equal accountability.

There should be no avenue for the GM to try to undermine the coach. If things are going poorly, no avenue for the coach to undermine the GM. And that's unfortunate. If, if that's true. And I saw that as well. If Ryan Paul's is going to be disinclined to go after Ben Johnson because he wants to protect his own turf, that's when you have to ask the tough question. Do we just hit the reset button here? But they won't clean sweep. That's what a real organization would do, but they won't like it's such an awkward to have a GM who's on the hot seat interviewing for a coach. Like it makes no sense. Why can't they? I know the answer why, but like the, the most logical thing is if, if you have even doubts about Ryan polls, just get rid

of them right now. Make it. It's the same as Mattie Profuse last year when you kept him, even though there was doubts and you could have gotten hard bar someone else, like just do the right thing. Otherwise you're going to get a coach and then fire the GM in a year. And then it's going to be the whole thing again. Well, what's harder to find a good GM or a good head coach. What's more important? A good GM or a good head coach. I's more important? A good GM or a good head coach. I actually don't know. I don't know the, I honestly, the coach, the coach goes a long way toward making up for bad personnel decisions. Look at Bill Belichick. Look at him. He was

such a good coach. He was able to make up for shitty personnel decisions that he made. But the real answer is, and I kind of agree, I would lean towards coach, but the real answer is and I kind of agree I would lean towards coach but the real answer is a coach and a GM who work well together. Right. That's the real answer. It's the two guys who are going to be working and their vision is the same because you can't have a GM who's got a one vision for the team and a coach who's got a different like that will never work and that's what the Bears are going to end up doing. Well and that's why I think Bill Belichick ultimately had no one interested in him because even if he comes back without final say over personnel, okay fine, this GM who's 30 years younger than him is going to draft a guy that Belichick doesn't want so Belichick is going

to put him at the bottom of the depth chart. There's a lot of ways that the coach and the GM can butt heads if they don't have a shared vision for the players they need, the systems they run, and equal accountability. So we either both fail or we both succeed. Right. So look, if there's any truth to an idea that Ben Johnson wants to make a power play on the way through the door, or he'll make one once he gets some wins, and that creates hesitation. If there's anything other than making the bears as good as they can, that's influencing these decisions. That's a sign of a dysfunctional team because as you said years ago and I use it all the time

and I attribute it to as much as I can, dysfunctional teams do dysfunctional things every time, every time they get a chance. All right. So, uh, the current openings, we know the current openings, the saints, the bears, uh, the jets, uh, what other openings are there going to be come black Monday? Who, who is, who is your hearing right now is, is gone. You know, there isn't like a clear obvious list of, of definite openings. We've been waiting for Jacksonville ever since their bye week. And it felt like it was a done deal going into the bye week for whatever reason. Shad Khan, the owner of the team, didn't fire Doug Peterson then, but it was such a bad season. Can't imagine him coming back for another year, especially after Khan in late August said, this is the best team the Jaguars have ever compiled.

How do you live with that statement and say oh it's fine that we were four and 13 or whatever the record is. So I think Jacksonville's at the top of the list. New England is one to watch although I think Gerard Mayo is going to get another year. Devin McCourty was on PFT live on Tuesday and he spent some time around that team this year and he got the impression that guys in the building aren't sure what's gonna happen So if Gerard Mayo's safe, he hasn't gotten the memo yet And I don't know what the Patriots are thinking there, but they could decide in theory They could decide to just rip the band-aid off and move on after one year and try to hire somebody like a Brian Flores

Whose ship seemingly will be coming in this year whether whether it's Chicago, whether it's New England, whether it's somewhere else. The other ones that would stand out, and I'm running through the divisions in my mind here, we look at the Giants as a place where, how can you justify doing nothing if you're John Marrow when they had one of the worst seasons in franchise history? What a way to celebrate your 100th anniversary

as an organization with your franchise record longest losing streak. If they lose on Sunday, it'll be the record for the most losses in a season. And those are the big ones. The Colts are another one that I think has come onto the radar screen recently. And I was asking someone today who's among the pool of candidates to take these jobs. And the message I got is there's always a few surprises. Right. And that's got me wondering what people on the inside who are in the process of being,

you know, interviewed at some point, whether they might know about where things are going to pop open. But we see it every year. It's a surprise when there isn't a surprise opening during that hiring cycle. All right. So there are two other teams that you didn't mention. Uh, one is the Arizona Cardinals. Is there any chance that they move on from Gannon there?

And then the second is the Raiders. Is it, I didn't mention the Raiders and I should have because it feels like something's going to happen in Las Vegas, but I, you have to factor in the owner. And Mark Davis tolerated Losing football under John Gruden because John Gruden was his buddy and if Antonio Pierce is now Mark Davis's buddy Mark Davis will tolerate losing football because There's multiple ways to define success as an NFL team one is how much money are you making and the Raiders are making more money They were have before because they're in Las Vegas

They got that prime market and they're making a ton of money stadiums always full even making? And the Raiders are making more money than they ever have before because they're in Las Vegas. They got that prime market and they're making a ton of money. Stadium's always full even if it's not Raiders fans. So I don't know what his tolerance is for being perpetually a non-contender. If it's high, if it's higher than it seems, then Antonio Pierce is out after one year.

But that one is weird, especially when you throw in the Tom Brady influence or lack thereof. And when will Tom Brady be more involved? And Mark Davis says, we're not going to bother him while he's still working for Fox. And they've got the Super Bowl. So that one is just kind of got a weird vibe to it because you don't know what the owner really wants. With the Cardinals, you look at 105 years, they've never had a coach longer than six seasons.

They've had two guys, Jim Hanifin and Ken Wisenhunt made it six seasons. Nobody else made it that long. Gannon's got two years. This year was a disappointment relative to how they started. I think he gets one more year, but that's the thing with these jobs. You always have to factor in ownership

because it's one group, typically one person making the decision, and you can have 10 people make 10 different decisions with the same set of facts. Yeah, what I love about you, Mike, is you've been all over the Tom Brady rules. So every time there's a seeming conflict of interest, I feel like I hear it from you.

So what's the latest on that? What was he allowed to do last week that he shouldn't have been allowed to do? Well, he's one of the voters. Uh-huh. Why? You, thank you. No, it's, you're on top of it.

You're an important voice because nobody else is doing it. I know we live in a time where standards don't matter anymore. Just do whatever you want to do. And you know, just it, it doesn't care. Nobody cares. But when you think about this, the idea that any owner of an NFL team would have a vote on league wide awards, it's preposterous. It would never even be a conversation.

No one would ever even have the guts to suggest it. And with Tom Brady, what I can't understand is, is he like the NFL's version of Michael Scott who has no self-awareness whatsoever, Or is he hyper aware of the fact that he can do whatever the fuck he wants and he's gonna do it? I think I think that one probably that yeah, but there's a chance He's just kind of he just kind of you know, nobody ever tells me no So I'm just gonna do whatever I want to do and I never stopped to think that there might be some ramifications Here that are a bad look for me. Yeah I mean the conflict of interest thing is interesting because everybody we all have our biases you're wearing a Minnesota Viking shirt right now

It's one thing to be a fan of a team and set that aside when it's time to do the right thing It's another thing to have a fiduciary duty to that team is a part owner who holds 10% of the equity It's impossible, you know when I practice law, there are two types of conflict of interest, but you practice law, shut up. There. I mean, I might just if I just say it without the the setup, people think what the fuck does this guy know shut up about the legal system. There are certain conflicts of interest that can be waived once the client understands what they are. And then there are some that just cannot be waived and

the idea that an owner would be voting on league wide awards, that seems to be a non-waivable inherent conflict of interest. And I think after the season, the AP will find a way to clean it up. I think it just fell through the cracks and it wasn't until last week that they were like, Oh shit, he still has a vote and he's officially an owner now. Yeah. I'm a part owner of the green Bay Packers, but I'm still right. I'm right down the middle. When we talk about goldfish, when you buy about 300,000 more shares. Mike, is there a team? So we talked about all the openings we think, and you alluded to it. Like there's always could be a surprise. Last year, Pete Carroll was a little bit of a surprise. Yeah. Big surprise. Right. So is there a team

that you're maybe even heard a little bit of rumblings where it's like, I, they don't know what they're going to do. It's not a matter of rumblings. It's just a matter of feel. And it's a matter of what patterns have we seen in the past, you know, and it also depends on how the playoffs go. Yeah. If the, and I don't want to turn this into a bigger thing than it would be, but you know, there've been occasions in the past where maybe it's run its course between the

Ravens and John Harbaugh. And there's been rumblings in the past at times that maybe it's time for a fresh start for everyone. If they'd go one and done in the playoffs this year, would that vibe return? I wouldn't rule it out. Last year, Mike Tomlin, there was a lot of what's he going to do. And we reported at the time that that he wasn't going to make any decisions until their playoff run was over.

And when it ended, he made a pretty quick decision to come back. If they go one and out again, does he continue to renew his vows with the Steelers? I don't know. There isn't the same noise this year as there was last year, but you just never know when everything's gonna align

and it's either the guy wants out or the team wants to make a change. And there's only so many years that I think a guy can make it. It's amazing how long Harbaugh and Tomlin have been where they are in today's NFL. And sometimes you can just make the argument for both sides that it makes sense to have a fresh start. And I'm not saying it's going to happen. I'm just saying that's how surprises happen because things go on behind the scenes, unrelated to losses,

unrelated to failed performance that, that caused people to say, we just need to do something else here. We got the Cleveland Browns. We, we both love Stefanski. We think he's a great coach. Things have been very weird in Cleveland this season. It's just been a weird year. Like I don't, I don't know what type of decision-making was going on behind

the scenes, how they were determining who the starting quarterback was going to be week to week. But, uh, is there any chance that Stefanski gets the ax? My read on the Brown situation is pretty simple. A couple of years ago, what was it? 2022. They got into the Deshaun Watson pursuit. There were four teams and credit to the Texas. They took a situation where a guy hadn't played football in a year and they

created a four team competition for his services and they like pre-qualified them for the loan when you're buying a house, like you had to tell us ahead of time what you're going to give us in trade and we have to say it's okay. And once we know it's okay, we'll let the four of you figure it out with the Sean Watson as to where he's going to go. And it was the Browns, the Panthers, the Saints and the Falcons. And once it got out that the Browns were involved, that destroyed their relationship with Baker Mayfield.

And then Deshaun Watson said to the Browns before any of the teams, I'm not interested in you. So I think that's the moment that ownership said, forget it, we're going to make this guy an offer that there's no way he's going to say no to it. Five years, 46 million per year, fully guaranteed. And they've been working to justify that horrible contract and trade. Three first round picks plus three other picks given up. Worst trade and signed deal in NFL history when you factor in what they gave up, what

those guys could have been, and the money that's tied their hands and the salary cap issues. I just think it's been stubbornness that's kept Deshaun Watson under center. And I think Jimmy Haslam, who's I believe at the root of it, the owner of the team, I think he's sufficiently flexible to realize it's not the fault of Andrew Berry, the GM, or Kevin Stefanski, the head coach. They were just doing what Jimmy Haslam wanted them to do. That that's happened before and it doesn't insulate people when it's time for folks to get fired. But Haslam's already indicated back in December that he's not going to change coach or GM. That's not binding, but the Browns are kind of off that radar screen because of the things

Haslam had said, but dysfunctional teams do dysfunctional things. And maybe Jimmy Haslam wakes up one day next week and says, screw it. I'm going to get a clean sweep here and start over. And, and I mean, Stefanski, I feel like we'd get a job right away. I mean, he's, he's a phenomenal co he's a two time coach of the year. Like he took the Browns to playoffs the first time in forever. I just, he he's been, he's been put in a situation that I don't think is fair to him. Yeah. I don't know that it would be the same as if like a Mike Tomlin got fired. I think if Mike

Tomlin would ever get fired or leave Pittsburgh, they'd be lining up out the door to try to hire Mike Tomlin, but two time coach of the year, you're right. That's a misleading award. Coach of the year just means you're the head coach of the team that surprised us the most. And anytime he wants to do anything good, it's a surprise. So let's make him coach of the year, but still to, to do well amid the dysfunction that is the Cleveland Browns is impressive. Yeah. Where's Mike Frable going to coach next year? Cause it feels like he has maybe not by his own choosing. Cause I probably think, I think he probably wanted a job last year, but what's happening this year off is he's basically got every team has been linked to him in some way and it feels like he will be at the top of the list. Uh, he and Ben Johnson to pick year off is he's basically got every team has been linked to him in some way. And it

feels like he will be at the top of the list. Uh, he and Ben Johnson to pick wherever they want to go. That's been the vibe for about a month now that the two no brainers who will have options to coach next year are Ben Johnson and Mike Vrabel. Beyond that, we just don't know how it's going to shake out. And Vrabel has been linked to the Raiders because once Tom Brady is done with his season and he's whispering into Mark Davis's ear, Vrabel has been linked to the Raiders because once Tom Brady is done with his season and he's whispering into Mark Davis's ear, Vrabel is the guy that Brady would want because they're friends and it goes back years. There's a point Sims has made and I think he's right. I think Vrabel would be perfect for one of the New York teams because Vrabel's got the right personality

to deal with the New York fans and the New York media. It's almost like Parcells where he just doesn't fuck around and he can be abrasive in a charming way. That's how Parcells was. Like he'd say things that were hostile, but it was kind of funny. And I think Vrabel would be good if he wants to subject himself to that I don't know. Do you want to subject yourself to being the head coach of the Jets? Do you want to be the head coach of the Giants? I don't know But I think a guy like variable nor many guys like this he would do well in that market And I think both of those teams need to be

Considering very seriously trying to make a run at variable Because that may be exactly what they need to stabilize things in the eyes of the media and the eyes of the fans. Has he lost weight this off season so he's less intimidating? Who was it that wasn't that one of those justifications for firing him in Tennessee with some weird shit like that? Again, dysfunctional teams do dysfunctional things. I think Brian Callahan could be done in Tennessee just because look at how erratic they've been and look at the rash decisions they've made in Nashville with head coaches. They never should have fired Mike Bray. But I think Braybo offended the owner in some way. And hey, that's that's the reality of working for a mom and pop shop, multibillion dollar football operation.

That's run like a family food truck. Not just that one. It is the bears the same way where they would. I don't think they'd hire Mike Vrabel because he he's too much of an alpha and George McCasky would have to like hide under his desk every time you walk down the hall. I think you're right about him in the New York market though because he has a way of he'll be like a little bit hostile but it'll still give you good copy as a reporter. Yeah. Like the headlines will be funny and entertaining and he wouldn't be bothered by it. He wouldn't be bothered by it either Yeah, we've made him an offer if he wants to come to Chicago

We offered what was it Wednesdays on part of my take Wednesdays and part of my day to do an exclusive interview Hank is his butler. Yep. We've got we've given him a lot of options So Chicago is in play for Mike Vrabel right now. Hey, actually this just popped my head I hope this is not gonna be be the case, but, uh, our colleague, John Gruden, is there anyone who's kicking the tires on that? I know obviously if Gruden wants to take a job, I would, I'd be very happy for him, but I selfishly want him to stay at Barstool. His name has been on the fringes of the chatter for two months now. Here's the reality though. Set aside the emails.

And you know, it's been three years and we've seen people come back from worse than the emails. And I'm not justifying it, I'm just saying, the passage of time causes things to dissipate. He still has active litigation against the NFL and Goodell. So what you have, and we talked about the Browns earlier when they made that big contract offer to Deshaun Watson, it pissed everyone off because now we got to have more guaranteed contracts for quarterbacks. There's still an

arbitration that's looming or pending over not giving players guaranteed contracts thanks to what the Browns did. If you hire Gruden, you're going to have some pissed off people at 345 Park Avenue, headline by the guy that runs the show whose name's on every football. So you better be damn sure that this is something that's going to work because there's going to be blowback one way or the other. And maybe they settle the case beforehand.

I don't know, but it's it's a lot there. And this is the other side of it, too. And I love Gruden. I love Gruden. But when you start looking at his, his history as a coach, sounds like you don't love Gruden. Okay. I I've defended him vehemently in this litigation. Put your gun up, Max. Go ahead. Continue. But it sounds like you're about to say something. The PFT, put your gun up. Go ahead. Hey, hey, just just let me say this. Look at his regular season win percentage, compare

it to Jeff Fishers. That's all I'm saying. Also great coach. And compare Mike McCarthy's win loss percentage. That's the difference. Fat. All right. Okay. So you're saying actually, I mean, a guy that has a pending lawsuit against the NFL would be a perfect fit for the Raiders. Yeah. Maybe something if if Mark Davis hired him back. Yeah. Let me just say this too, because I don't think people understand this in this age of legalized gambling. Somebody decided five games into a season in 2021 to peel off emails and to weaponize them to get John Gruden fired. Forget about whether it was right or wrong. Somebody fucked with the integrity of a season five games into it.

I mean, if you had a futures bet on the Raiders to make the playoffs, although they did, win the Super Bowl, whatever the case may be, they're always so big on the integrity of the season. Somebody connected to the NFL and not many people had access to those emails specifically said, I want this guy out five games in. And that's something that I hope his lawsuit goes forward. And we find out who did it because I think there's a lot of accountability there that may never be properly meted out and hashed out because that's as wrong as it gets as it relates to the overall integrity of a given football season to take out a team's head coach five games into it. If you were betting man would you say that there would be good odds on somebody who's named rhymed with Spruce Fallon that was behind the

leaking of that email? I don't know that it was him. I don't know because look the the accusation is it was the league and that Goodell was part of it and until we get a chance to see how the lawsuit plays out We won't know it shouldn't be hard to recreate Who it was that took those emails and sent them to the New York Times and the Wall Street Journal with the clear goal Of taking out Gruden it could have been Dan Snyder. It could have beenger gadell i don't know that bruce allen even had access to those emails by then that you know because what happened was they had the investigation what's her name beth wilkinson she did her investigation they had the emails somebody had access to the 600 000 documents found those removed those leaked those and took out group. Uh, Mike, I forgot the question I was

going to ask. Uh, Mike fuck. Hold on. I got, I got, I got a good one. I got a good one. Let me know. Cause I'm ready to fire. You getting old. You're getting 50 this year. Your brain's starting to shut the fuck up. You're like 85 years old. Uh, go PFT. Uh, Mike, did you want to wish us happy birthday month happy birthday month thank you birthday great question great thank you how is it that big cats gonna be 50 but you're only gonna be 40 I don't understand how that works it's crazy it's weird yeah you age in dad years Mike you're short you got a short face Mike you got a short

face I have a real question for you you talked about playoff team sometimes there's a disappointment in the playoffs and a team decides to move on. Last year there was a lot of buzz around the Philadelphia Eagles. If, if it's like a bad loss, I'm not saying that I'm not saying Sirianni said a bad season. He's had a very good season. In fact, he's a great guy and he's a good friend to Max. But if he has a real bad loss, like a blowout, like the Packers roll in there and he like cries at halftime, we're getting out of hiding and tries

to fight Matt LaFleur, you know, and it's embarrassing and they lose by 3040 points. Yeah. You think there's any chance that Philadelphia moves on from them? They had a real bad loss last year though. And before they had the real bad loss to Tampa Bay 32 to nine in the wildcard round, they lost all those games down the stretch. But for a, what was it, the Christmas day game against the Giants, they lost all their games after starting 10 and one.

And it didn't happen then. Remember that shot of Jeff Lurie sitting in the suite? Who could forget? In Tampa Bay. It was like this perfect combination of rage and amazement and confusion all in one. And we were waiting to see whether or not they'd fire him and try to go after Bill Belichick. It didn't happen then. I think they've been good enough now that even if they get blown off the field, and

do you really think I got either one of the most talented teams out there? I can't imagine that happening. But there's just enough weirdness that happens with Sirianni. You know, the stuff with Zach Ertz, given the fans of the business after the Browns game. What else? There was a clip after one of the games where he was trying to talk to somebody on the sidelines

and they were openly ignoring him. There's just enough weird there that makes you wonder how sustainable it is. But then you look at the record. That's the thing. You look at the record, he's damn good. Is there, is there a situation where they're good despite him and they'd be even better with somebody else? I don't think Jeffrey Lurie wants to roll those dice. Yeah. Uh, I've remembered my question, Mike, after LeBron said that the NBA owns Christmas day, how many games are we going to get on Christmas day next year? It's going to be, it's going to Day, how many games are we going to get on Christmas Day next year

from the NFL? It's going to be a continuous loop. It's going to be all day Christmas evening, all day Christmas day. Look, the numbers speak for themselves. And I don't know what the numbers would have been if the two games on Netflix had been on broadcast TV.

Would they have hit 30 million? Would they have been 35 million? We have 38.9 or 39.8 million who watched Giants Cowboys a Shit Thanksgiving game in that middle window. These were real games Steelers Chiefs real game Ravens Texans I mean until they started playing it real game If those would have been on regular TV the numbers would have been even worse and the NFL went easy on them They didn't play on New Year's on Christmas Eve and they didn't play a game on Christmas night. I think the bottom line is Christmas football's here to stay

whatever day of the week. Jerry Jones made it clear last week, we're already new. They're gonna play whenever Christmas is. Wednesday's the hardest day to pull it off. The other days they're gonna do it. Here's the question I have. Because in the past when Christmas lands on a Sunday, they play the bulk of the games on Saturday. I wonder if the next time Christmas lands on a Sunday, they play the bulk of the games on Saturday

I wonder if the next time Christmas lands on a Sunday, it's not for like another 10 years Will they just say fuck it? We're doing our regular schedule on Sunday where everybody's in the pool. It's Christmas. It's a Sunday We're not going to shy away from that. We're going to completely and totally own it that would rock that would Yeah, maybe I I feel like they'd probably stick to the Saturday though. They would probably split it evenly. Yeah, because you want it to be like appointment television for certain games on Christmas. Otherwise, it's just your full blown schedule. Think about it. Your full blown schedule on a day when everybody is, is home and everybody's looking for something to do. Let's tune into red zone. Let's flip on this game. Let's go. I mean, the numbers could go through the roof in comparison to what they ordinarily are but it's not like until

2033 or something like that. So, you know, some of us will be dead by then. Do you think Adele? Like sees that from Lebron is like, oh, okay, like get ready get ready to learn like Cowboys Eagles Bills Chiefs like we're gonna fucking drop the hammer next year I think it's like the the old line from Mad Men when John Ham says I don't even think about you. Okay. I think that's his reaction. Yeah.

Yeah. But I think he he would say that but I think he really does think about the NBA. He wants to just twist that knife that they put on streaming so you couldn't even change the channel. Yeah. You can't even you can even flip over to the NBA games. Yeah. And it's going to keep getting bigger and bigger.

I mean the NFL is by far the biggest attraction in the United States and they want to make it global. It's a hundred year thing. We'll definitely be dead by the time it comes to full bloom, but you know, there would have been a time when people would have laughed at the idea of football overtaking baseball in the United States. And I'm sure deep down they'd love to overtake soccer one of these days. That'll probably never happen,

but I would have said the same thing in the seventies about baseball and football. Yeah. Crazy. So, uh, all right. Uh, playoffs coming up. What teams do you think can win the super bowl? Well, the Eagles, the lions, the chiefs, the bills, the Ravens. The answer is every team that gets in the playoffs. No. Well, well yeah I mean technically right. Chip in a chair you've seen wild card teams win before Mike. Fine I know but it feels like it feels like there's a cluster of teams that. Yeah no you're right keep going sorry're a smart ass that doesn't even register anymore. There's no dominant team. The Lions had some dominant wins earlier in the year.

They beat the Jaguars like 52 to six. They blew the Cowboys off the field. But since Thanksgiving, when the Bears almost forced overtime, remember that game when the Bears fucked up the fuck man? They're tough to deal with. They've been in close games pretty much every week since then. There is no team that's just going to show up and kick your ass like the 85 bears. There's nothing close to that.

So I mean, you're going to have chiefs fans mad at you. I'm trying to help you. I'm trying to help out Mike because you're going to get a lot of shit from chiefs fans. But they don't, but they don't blow anybody out. The win over the Steelers was the most impressive one of the year by 19 points. But all they got to do is win one game to get to the Superbowl to, well, I mean, they're no, no, I have no, I I'll say right now they're in the AFC championship game. Well, what if the Bengals show up? I don't think they're worried about the Bengals. The Bengals are not a good football team.

Joe burrow in that offense is phenomenal and out of this world. Their defense is trash. The fact that they need not, not only to win, but they need two other games to go their way. Doesn't that tell you what type of team they've had as a season? Oh, absolutely. But also Joe Burrow like transforms into a next level superhero in the playoffs roll around and he's gone toe to toe with Patrick Mahomes multiple times. He's the only active player, only active quarterback who has beaten the Chiefs in the postseason. It really is amazing though.

And the Chiefs history, and you know, like Mahomes doesn't make the Pro Bowl, which is laughable at one level, but you look at the numbers this year and you can see why he didn't. But his worst outcome since he became a starter in 2018 is losing in overtime of the AFC championship. That's his floor. I mean, for a lot of teams, they haven't even done that. For the Vikings since 1976, their best case scenario is losing in overtime in the NFC championship once.

Yeah. Mahomes has done it twice. That's his worst outcome. It's uncanny. So I agree. It's going to be very hard to go to Arrowhead Stadium and win, but they're not dominating people. That's the point. There's no one that's just showing up and kicking your ass each and every week. But here's the thing. The teams that they would have to play would be either the Bengals, the Dolphins, or maybe

the Steelers, right? Yeah, or possibly the Chargers. And so Broncos are chargers possibly the Broncos. Yeah. I feel like, you know, the real matchup is them against the, the bills or them against the Ravens. Correct. I agree with you completely. And, and they might work it in a way that they avoid both of them. Maybe the bills and Ravens end up playing each other in the divisional round. So they only have to play one of them might give me a path. Cause I just want to fantasize. They, they definitely won't have to play both of them. Oh, I guess they could end up drawing the Ravens in the division. So you think Bailey's Zappie is going to beat Lamar Jackson? Well, no, it

wasn't 17 and a half points. It would fuck up the last act of a clear tank. no, it wasn't 17 and a half points. It would be the Browns that would fuck up the last act of a clear tank. Yeah, it would be. And win with Bailey's Appie. Cause I do think the Browns are like very live to get the one, one pick. I don't think it's crazy for the Browns to lose the Titans to win in the Patriots to win the Browns have the one pick, but yeah, I think the Browns want it. Yeah, the other teams, they don't care. The Browns organizationally top to bottom, they want it and they've done a good job of

positioning themselves for it. So you're right. You're right. They win the division. They won't meet in the divisional round. And it would be if the Ravens win and the Bills win in the wild card round, they'll end up playing each other in the divisional round and the Chiefs will get the lowest team left.

You're right. Mike, can I just fantasize? Just give me, talk me through this. What is the path that the commanders could make it to the Super Bowl? Well, if you can avoid the Eagles, which is doable. I want the Eagles. It's not crazy. It's not crazy.

I mean, you win and you don't have to go to Philadelphia. You're going to go to LA or Tampa, right? Jaden Daniels, it feels like he's busted through the rookie wall. There was a period of time where he was either hurt or he's fatigued. Lately, he's been phenomenal. MVP chance on Sunday night. He had some interceptions though.

Don't forget about the interceptions. Well, that's all right. They're doing better than anyone expected. And they fought through that lull that they slipped into. They slipped into a spot where it's like, okay, the chariots turned back into a pumpkin, it's over for the commanders. They came out the other side of it and they've been winning.

And it seemed like that can be dangerous. When you get to the playoffs and you're on house money and you don't give a shit and you just go out and play and you have confidence that you can make it happen. And Jayden Daniels has been, you know, better than anybody expected. When we were at the scouting combine and we were meeting with defensive players and we asked as many of them as we could remember to ask, who's the best guy you ever faced in college?

The SEC guys all said without hesitation, Jayden Daniels, because he's there and then he's gone. And we've seen it. We've seen it come to fruition. So with a guy like Jayden Daniels, because when we see low seeds in the past, make a deep run, the common denominator for those teams

is to have a great quarterback. And even though he's a rookie, he's already in that list of great quarterbacks. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, they can make some noise. There's your pack. I think they can make some noise. Stay away from the Eagles.

Stay away from the Eagles. Make some noise. If the Packers take out the Eagles in the first round, we beat the Bucks, weird stuff starts toers take out the Eagles in the first round, we beat the bucks. Weird stuff starts to happen. It's not going to happen this year, but I just want to, I want to think about it. Cause you know, there's a way that the team that loses on Sunday night only has one road game in the playoffs because those wild card teams could go in.

You get the Packers at the Eagles. The Packers could win. You get the commanders at the bucks or the the Packers could win. You get the commanders at the Bucks or the Rams, they could win. And then the five seed wins at the four seed, all of a sudden, the teams left are one, five, six, and seven, the five seats hosting the division around game. And if the, the seven seat upends the Vikings or the Lions, five seats hosting the NFC championship. Or the six seed hosts the NFC championship. That could happen. That's the path That is the path right there. Okay, cool. I was commanders at

Ralph John Yeah, that's it And I'll be I'll fucking wear your Sam Howell Jersey. Yeah. Yeah fucking get into that All right, Mike last question by the way, everyone go to Amazon and buy Mike's book. 99 cents. Make sure you say the ebook. The print edition is at 99 cents. Paper ain't free. My E that was my new year's resolution. My first one in 21 years, cause I want to encourage people to read. People view reading as a chore. They view it as work. You do. I send you all my books.

You never read them cause you view it as work. You have association to school. Mike, you don't want to do it. I'm trying to get people to read my in 2025. Mike. I I not only didn't read it. I have even taken out of the package. Yeah. There you go. I've got it right behind me. I read the cover every day. I think it's a great book. Thank you. Because my friend made it. Yeah. So I and everyone's you know I, pitch me real quick. No, no, no, no, no, no. Pitch me. One of my new year's resolutions is to read a book this year. Pitch me on your book. Okay. Father of mine is a mob tail set in West Virginia in the earth. All right. Ask me about my fantasy team. Oh, we finished in third place this year.

Yeah. Yeah. We're a big fantasy podcast now. We are. Jerry O'Connell talked to actually we might fire Jerry O'Connell and have his wife do it next year. Yeah. I feel like she'd be good.

Please do buy Mike's book. I'm going to you know what? I'm gonna read two books this year and one of them is gonna be Father of Mine. Well read Father of Mine in the sequel. Once you finish Father of Mine you'll want to read the next one. You're signing me up for another one? Wait, so what's the sequel the sequel son of mine? So it's basically like the Old Testament the New Testament exactly. All right the new Bible doing the next one

Which I guess is essentially Revelation Everclear you ever heard of that band father of mine great song. Yeah It's a great title titles aren't protected by copyright law, you know how I learned that How part of my face? Oh It's a great title. Titles aren't protected by copyright law. You know how I learned that? How? Pardon my take. Oh. But I think there is some rules because we tried to make a book

that was just a New York Times bestseller was the title. That's good. That's really good. You can't do that. Can you, Mike, as a lawyer, could we name our book a New York Times bestseller by John Grisham? Yeah, I think that would probably be pushing the limits of the law. That would require, what

do they call that? It's a case of first impression. All the way to the Supreme court. It's love at first sight. Legal science all over the world would be studying it. Yeah. Harry Potter nine. Yeah. All right. But last question, rollback question, r- O B A C K.com promo code take 20% off your first purchase. Q zips, polos, hoodies, joggers, shorts, rowback.com promo code take, give us one, one Florio story we're working. Oh, you know what? Actually we didn't, I don't

know why we didn't do this. What's going to happen with Aaron Rogers and the jets. I think Aaron Rogers doesn't want to come back to the jets, but he wants them to be the ones that break up with him. He's been needling Woody Johnson. Every time he's on McAfee's show, he says some snarky thing about Woody Johnson. No, it might be fired by a teenager. I think he wants them to end it, and then he'll see if anyone out there really wants him.

If no one does, he's decided to retire. But if somebody that he deems worthy of his services wants him, and I'm fascinated by the possibility of him going to retire. But if somebody that he deems worthy of his services wants him and I'm fascinated by the possibility of him going to Pittsburgh. One of that video of him and Mike Tomlin kind of making googly eyes at each other and yeah not you know that it's that like that sopranos gif where they're you know it's it's Christopher and Patsy are doing this. I feel like that tracks with what the Steelers are currently doing at quarterback which is we don't know how to develop one Let's just go find a veteran and plug him in

but if he finds a team that wants him and he wants to play for them then he'll play for another team next year and he'll use the Jets not wanting him as Even though I he says it but I don't believe that he wants to play for the Jets again He knows what a shit show it is there Aaron Rod Rogers and George Pickens. That would be fun. They don't speak the same language. That would be so fun. He said it's the best two years of his life though in New York. Yeah. Yeah. Which tells you his priorities are completely out of whack. They were horrible. He was injured all the last year. They were horrible.

This year. How does that become the best year of your life? When you want a super bowl and you're a four time MVP. I think it's just something you say. He's hung out with a lot of friends. Yeah. You just say it. What about great people? Here's a crazy one. And we'll end with this because we've got to go watch a Notre Dame in Georgia. If Brock Purdy's elbows kind of fucked up, Aaron Rogers finishes where the team that should have drafted him. No, no, why not? I guarantee you that won't happen. Why? I I'll just say this.

There are more than a few people around the league who have figured out Aaron Rodgers and want nothing to do with it. Oh, oh, oh, trouble in paradise. Oh, Kyle doesn't like Aaron. I didn't say that. I just said there's more than a few people who who know that, you know, I don't look I'm I got enough. We got him in the spot. I got enough problems. You know, I don't look, I'm, I got enough problems. I got them in this spot. I got enough problems. You know what? But I think that, I think there's a lot of coaches for whom it would be a hard sell and

you better be damn confident that you can coexist with this guy. And it's not going to completely, you know, fuck up your life and get you fired five weeks into the season. Like it did Robert Sala. Jets hired Mike McCarthy, Mike McCarthy, Aaron Reunite. We're in Aaron Rodgers' podcast. I don't know if you knew that. You know who Kyle does like a lot?

Kirk Cousins. What's going to happen with Kirk? What are the possibilities for Kirk Cousins? I know where he's going to go. Here's what I think. Heaven? He's going to go to Heaven. Let me throw this one out there for you, Mike, real quick,

before you say, Vikings trade Jajan McCarthy for a second round pick, and then they to go to heaven. Let me throw this one out there for you, Mike, real quick, before you say, uh, Vikings trade Jajan McCarthy for a second round pick, and then they need a backup quarterback. No. Look, there aren't many guys who once they've been the highest paid player in the NFL who voluntarily accept being a backup, Flacco is like the only guy that's ever done that. Usually it's, Hey, if I can no longer start, see you later, I'm out of here. I'm going to go count my money. The thing with Cousins, and this is why I think Rogers might

have a future, but Cousins won't. Both had the torn Achilles, both have less mobility than they used to have, then again, Cousins never had much. Rogers still throws it 40 yards on a dime with a flick of a wrist. Look at Cousins. He to like, he's got like muster every ounce of energy in his body from his toes to his fingertips to try to throw the football. And his body eventually rebelled against him this year because he was compensating for the torn Achilles tendon. So I just, it just got to the point where he just can't do it anymore. And I've talked to people who said, you know what, there's a chance it just never comes back for him. He could be done. But he still gets paid next year.

Yeah, he does. He gets paid next year. He gets 27 and a half million next year. He made 62 and a half million this year. He gets 27 and a half million next year, regardless of what happens with the fact that the only way he'd lose it is if he'd retire and he is stupid to retire, you force him to cut you and you take your 27 and a half million. Yeah.

For Kirk. Uh, all right, Mike, thank you as always. Can't wait to see you Superbowl right, Mike, thank you as always. Can't wait to see you Superbowl week. Um, you're the best time and I never even hear from you Superbowl week. So you get up and like, so you get up to ass crack at dawn to do your show with Phil Sims. Where are we this year? It's, it's central time zone. So it won't be asked. It won't be quite the ass crack at dawn. Yeah. All right. Well, if you need a guest, PFT and I are more

than welcome to come on. You can't get in. You can't get in the building. We have ways. You can get us in. Listen, we have our own way. So I said, Groot and get us in and if I loves him, I might just dress up as Mike Floreo. That's a whole bunch of Florida. I rotate them in and out. We'll all go as Floreos. Yeah. All right, Mike. Thank you. As always. You're the best. Thanks guys. Happy new year. It's soup season. We're going to get cold. This next week is going to be pretty cold all across the country. It's perfect time to crack open some soup, get involved with soup season, taste up today's episode. Part of my take is brought to you by Campbell's chunky soup. It's the soup that eats like a meal. When you think chunky you gotta think of

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Boys, Hank, by the way, every week, Danny Woodhead's chair. Yeah. Nice little addition to the studio. Yeah. Got a new rug. How does it smell? It smells good. Smells fine. We used to smoke heaters in that addition to the studio. Yeah, it's good rug. How's it smell? It smells good smells fine We used to smoke heaters in that van all the time corn cob pipes. Oh, yeah, that was RV Yeah, yeah That was when the RV the sewage tank overflowed and so and we didn't have the heat and we didn't have air fresheners

So we figured two birds one stone. Yeah smoke corn cob pipes. Yeah My fire first was just when I moved I mean there's not not a lot going on I got my bag back or it's oh, I think I got my bag back. Yeah, smoke corncob pipes. Yeah My fire first was just when I moved I mean, there's not a lot going on I got my bag back or it's oh, I think I got my bag back. Yeah, they found it. They're shipping it back Okay, so it's not back yet, but it is your bag. Yeah, they've confirmed my bag So I think that that was a good good good vibes going into the week. I just regret when I moved to Chicago I think I threw away like 25 jumpsuits oh yeah I think jumpsuit January was kind of over we kind of feel like it's cats a new life I'm excited to do it again but yeah I was looking today and I was like I have like three when I

at one point I had upwards of 40 because jumpsuits are the first thing to go because they take up so much yeah right so if you got to thin out the closet a little bit see ya but that said jumpsuit January rocks and I feel more energized than I have in a long time. I'm energized. I will hit a wall where I'll just have to throw on some real pants at one point in a couple weeks. But I'll then get back to the jumpsuits. My kids were like, why are you dressed like that today? Because I do look a little ridiculous. But that's, you know, I'm comfortable. I

feel comfortable. The kid sounds like he's got some anti Italian bias. Well, he's Italian, so he shouldn't. He hates himself. So you got rid of all the jumpsuits? You buy more? I bought a couple more. Although I ordered some two weeks ago and they're nowhere to be found. I like so I have some of these the Sergio Ticini. I like just wearing sweatpants in a matching sweatshirt.

That one makes me feel a little more athletic. This one makes me feel like I just want to eat. I loaded up on the one pieces this year. And so I've got a bunch of these ones that just have it. It's a one piece. It's a one piece. It's got the zipper down the middle of it, which is very convenient for if you're a six year old and getting dressed. Yeah, but you're wearing jammies. Yeah, I'm wearing jammies. But the problem is with these, if you go to the

bathroom, how do you problem? Yeah, it's a big problem when you go to the bathroom. Yeah, I have to wrap it around my waist and hold the front of it against my stomach. If I'm going number two, got it. I just want all I was trying to find. It's not easy to find velour jumpsuits. Yeah. That's the pinnacle of you got to get a get the Chines. Yeah. The Chines, they're expensive, but they're worth it. Cause they're comfortable as hell. Okay. PFT. My FireFest is, I've honestly had a pretty good week. Things are going well.

Yeah. It's a new year. 2025. New year, new me. I've resolved, I'm going to get 1% better every single day. If you get 1% better every day, you end up like 37 times better. There you go. By math. I saw somebody say that online. So every day I you end up like 37 times better. There you go. By math.

I saw somebody say that online. So every day I'm just trying to, I guess that might be my firefest is it's hard to find ways to get 1% better every day. There's no way I could find 1%. Just 1%. That's all you gotta do. I also, I went to the winter classic, which was, it was cool to go to a great concert by the smashing pumpkins at Wrigley Field. Great concert by

Chance the Rapper. Besides that, what you don't realize when you go to the winter classic is when you're looking down at a hockey game that's almost at eye level, it's hard to see a lot of hockey. It's not, turns out Wrigley Field has done a really good job of putting on baseball games for a very long time, not other sports. Not hockey. And I missed the flyover at it. Oh, I was I was coming back from getting beers. Oh, and for eight. How could you or Warthogs buzz the tower? This is a big disappointment. How could you make disappointment? How could you miss the flyover? Yeah. Yeah, I don't really have a fire festival

than I mean, I was I'm good to be I'm happy to be back with the boys because I was on vacation with my kids. And when you got three little kids under six, it ain't vacation. It's just trying to figure out a way to, uh, make them happy, which they were. I went to great Wolf Lodge in Scottsdale. That was cool. That's a great place. Yeah. I watched, uh, my, my daughter, my middle child go down the same small slide 300 times in a row. Did you take him to Houston's? I didn't take him to Houston's I should have gone to Houston family restaurant, family restaurant, great organization. People sell Max, how was your week with the foot? I was all over the place. I went to the wedding. The wedding was very fun.

Did you dance? I did. I sat for like two minutes at that wedding. Oh my god. My foot was killing me at the end of it. I'm, I'm fucking up this, this. I'm going to go back to this doctor in three weeks and he's like, somehow this is worse than when it was when you first came in here. What have you been doing? Yeah. I, I've been, I was riding bikes down in South Carolina. Max, this is not good. It's not good, buddy. So you're just pretending you don't have a broken foot. He's just like, he said, I probably won't need surgery so I can, now I can really bang it up.

No, I mean it's travel. What are you supposed to do? Yeah. Does it hurt more? Maybe not ride bikes. No. Because PFT did this where he remember when we went to the Cubs playoff game and then a Bears game and you're you're like we walked way too much. Your foot like a purple. Well we picked up a wheelchair at Walgreens I think for the Bears game. Yeah. I was like I don't want people to keep having to push me around. I'll just walk. I got a boot. It'll be fine. And then I walked on it a bunch and then went back to the doctor.

He's like, yeah, you do need surgery. Yeah. That's not going to happen to me. I also didn't ride bikes. Maybe riding bikes is good for you. Riding bikes was, I was worried about the riding of the bikes. It was fine. Well, yeah, you got a broken foot, you idiot.

No, but I don't got a broken leg. Yeah. And it's not like you're putting a, I wasn't standing on the bike. Yeah, but did the bike ever lean to a broken leg. Yeah, and you're not it's not like you're putting I wasn't standing on the bike Yeah, but did the bike ever lean to the side of your broken foot and you had to put your foot down no that I I It was you know, it was nice, you know, I was biking around like a neighborhood and stuff. So it wasn't it wasn't Strenuous biking. Yeah. Yeah how memes how was your break? How you feeling? It was good. I ate so much Yeah. How memes, how was your break? How are you feeling? It was good. I ate so much. Yeah. Tortellini with crumpled sausage. It was so good.

Wait, how many times did you eat that? Like four times. Oh, OK. It was I just wanted to. I have a I have a request. Yeah. I want us to do because January we do free lunches here. Yeah. I want the free lunches in December. Oh, OK. OK. Hank, don't shake your head at me. No because There's so much then it's like you get you get back and you don't want to eat food all the time and now we just have Unlimited supply of food just staring you in the face Every day, but rest tonight January in Chicago fucking sucks

You know what's awesome when you wake up every day and you're like, I don't have to think about what's for lunch Oh, it just gets delivered. That's the whole point of it. It's so it's to boost the morale in the office in January. Also, max, you have two weeks of vacation in December. Would you rather have two weeks of good point or weeks of food? Also eat less. But it's just staring you in the face. Other fat calories in calories out. I know. I know.

But I can't do calories out right now. Max, you know what I'm doing? Actually, I was getting my steps in. You know what I'm saying. But Max, there's always like a salad option. Yeah. There was a salad option. I ate.

I didn't eat unhealthy today. It's just every time I went back, I was like, Oh, I'll get a piece. You know, you're, you know, you're in the, you know, you're in, in the boat with right now you're in the boat with Nikki smokes. The only two people who've ever complained about free free lunches for January. Completely different. It's the best completely different. Hey, would you not agree? It's one of the best things easily. Like morale wise, you are guys that are like, all right, January time to lock in on my know cuz I do it all 12 months that

Just don't eat sugar like me except for donuts and cake on your birthday I like that free lunches because it's you're afraid that you'll eat too much correct Nikki smokes doesn't like him because he somehow never has an appetite right and he also just wants to get drunk one random night With everyone who we see every single day and then probably make decisions that would get him fired. Correct. Also facts. Uh, here's the good news, max. We're also I've added, uh, at some point this month, I think probably maybe third week of January, we're going to do tan week. I'm going to get a tanning bed in here. Calling it tannery. Yeah. We're all going to get fucking tan and it's gonna look so bad

I'm in yeah that I'm in this entire office just looking like you spray tans. That's fine Yes, spray tan paint hands would be way for everyone's is gonna be burned Yeah, but I'm cool with what I want everyone in this office to be as tan as fucking possible I love that in the middle of January. We just all look hot This that sounds great. Okay, pug. How was your week? Week was good pug lot of too much driving around. I'm ready to chill out. Oh, you've been mobile Pugs been cruising. Yes, we're driving down, New Jersey. Oh garden state Parkway See you drones this morning. It's all a couple drones. Yes. What do they look like? They kind of look like they're lit up

green and red. They kind of look like little airplanes and so drones. They look like planes. It sounds like you're describing planes. It's the good aliens. Okay. Yeah, that's true. It's good. Also, President Pug, you have have a was it a $2,500 free bet? Yeah Oh, yeah, was it Hank? How much did we split? No Ten grand it was it was so fun. You have a $5,000 free bet then. Oh Wow, I didn't know I don't know was that much cuz Hank and I split it, right? Yeah So pug what are you gonna bet? I don't know. a lot of pressure I'll have to think about it okay all right first numbers of the new year memes have you ever gotten this uh nobody has this

year three okay seven you're going three what was your what was your number last time? 11. I think it was 3. Yeah, I think I hit on 3. No, you hit on 2. I hit on 2. Yeah, I can't keep track. No, no, no. I've gotten lottery balls so many times. You won on 2. You won on 2. 94, Po. 78. I'll go 56. 44. That was Jack. 21. That was Shane. Oh, it's nine Saw single-digit memes That would have that would have to win the first of the year and then you all year you can be like have you guys Gotten it this year, but You know what? Let's do one more cuz we missed Wednesday show. This one's official. All right Three Seven twenty eleven seventy nine twenty All right. Three. Fuck.

Seven. Twenty. Eleven. Seventy-nine. Twenty, huh? Mm-hmm. You heard me. Ninety-four per. Forty-four. Twenty-nine. What was your snake? Seven. Forty-three. Forty-three. 43, 43.

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