Pardon My Take - MNF, TimTheTatman And Best of 2020 feat. Matthew McConaughey, Joe Burrow, Coach O, Blake Griffin And More

Episode Date: December 30, 2020

We are back in studio to recap MNF and asking if Cam Newton needs to retire and if the Bills can actually beat the Chiefs. (2:25-15:28) A brand new interview with twitch sensation TimtheTatMan talking how he started on twitch, Jeeps vs. Teslas, and skill vs. personality when it comes to streaming.(22:23-58:19) Getting into the best of 2020, we recap the top moments in chronological order. National Championship -Joe Burrow and Coach O (1:02:22-1:13:08) -Jay Cutler (1:13:12-1:22:06) Super Bowl Week -George Kittle (1:23:26-1:29:10) -David Baker (1:29:12-1:40:58) -Baker Mayfield (1:41:02-1:43:08) NFL Combine -Adam Schefter (1:46:06-1:52:38) -Mike Vrabel (1:52:40-1:58:07) After Sports Stopped -Dungeons & Dragons (2:01:58-2:18:41) -Love is Blind Recap (2:18:41-2:25:44) -Horace Grant (2:25:50-2:33:21) -Barbara Corcoran (2:33:25-2:36:33) -Blake Griffin BOTY (2:36:34-2:39:51) -Matt Ryan (2:42:17-2:48:26) -Kevin Love (2:48:33-2:59:56) -Ryen Russillo (3:02:10-3:8:46) -Matthew McConaughey (3:08:50-3:17:58) See you in 2021. Love you guys.You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/PardonMyTake

Hey, pardon my take listeners, you can find every episode on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or YouTube. Prime members can listen, ad-free, on Amazon Music. On today's part of my take, best of 2020, it's our last episode of 2020. We also have some new stuff, a new interview with Tim the Tapman. We also have Monday Night Football Recap, we're in the studio, so we'll recap all of that. Any updates coming up for week 17, and the best of, pardon my take, 2020, a loaded best

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our problems are done, new us, all over, it's all over, sports are back, you can just flip the page, I'm gonna go to sleep at 10.30 on Thursday night, let's do 2020 again, starting January 1st, it's 2020, last year it didn't happen, whatever you did, any fuck ups you had, if it was in 2020, it doesn't count, hard bodies coming up, hard of my take, someone sent that to us, hard of my take coming up, we're all getting hard bodies, alright so we have a best of, we have great best of, we just went through the whole thing, we have Tim the Tapman as well, that's a new, brand new interview, awesome interview with him, if you don't know who he is, he's basically a superstar in the streaming world, he's

going to be like, we're full on, not to be rebellion, but the cool streamers, Nick Merks and Tim the Tapman, we're all in on these guys, because they're fucking awesome. We're all in on streaming right now. Well we're all in on personality stream, we actually talked to him about it, how there's a difference between people who are like technically incredible at the video games, but have no personality versus people you just want to hang out with, and that's Tim the Tapman. Yeah, I like Tim, I like Nick Merks, I don't know, like do we have to pick a side, are they friendly?

No, they're friends, they're friends. Okay, we're, I think we're FaZe Clan, right? Are they clan? Yeah, FaZe Clan. Yeah, we're FaZe. FaZe, FaZe is fucked. We'll FaZe on site if you see us. Dude, I'll FaZe fuck this shit out of you.

Yeah, don't even come at us. FaZe up. FaZe up. FaZe up bro. Alright, before we do that though, the Buffalo Bills are a fucking weapon, Josh Allen went into Foxboro, beat what was left of the Patriots, Cam Newton, I mean, I think he has to retire, I don't really know at this point. It was sad, it was sad because they were doing their best and after the game, Josh McDaniel

is even like added on to what they were saying in the pregame and during the game, which is that Cam Newton is like working harder than anybody else on the Patriots, but he just sucks. Well, you know how much that must suck personally to like go into work before anyone leave after everyone's gone and still suck at your job? It's got to be really, really bad. Yeah, so he might straight up retire at this point. I think, I don't want to harp too much on this, but they did lose their full back going

this season. No one's talking about that. They lost Devlin and they lost Danny Vitale, who both opted out this year. Everyone's talking about Tom Brady, like that's a big deal. As you kind of make some not a full back. Like that's a big deal. Right? That would make them not a full back.

What, opting out? Yes. I think they're opting into more football later. No, you just, you know that that's not a full back. So Devlin didn't opt out. Devlin like broke his neck and had to retire. Danny Vitale is a Northwestern kid, you know, smarter than everyone else. So, but it reminds me of, you know that stupid game, like way, way old game, like 20 years

ago, the Q, W, E, R, T, Y, the QWERTY game where the guy had to run. Yeah, it was impossible. Impossible. That's what Cam Newton looks like when he's trying to pass. Yeah. He, everything, he, I think when he gets the ball, he says to himself, okay, like one foot in front of the other, cock your arm back like he's actually doing a mental checklist. That's how regimented and broken it looks when he's trying to throw the football.

It does look like there's a small Cam Newton inside of Cam Newton's body that's like pulling the levers. Right. And like making him do all the things. You have to hit all the buttons perfectly just to get a, a seven yard pass. That's why he does the Superman celebration with a chest just like, like, like the real Cam Newton take a peek out of his rib cage and then close it back up. I, the other takeaway I had from this game, we, you know, we've obviously, you know,

Josh Allen has been a friend of the program since he came in the league. We love Josh Allen, but even, even like knowing how awesome he is, he will still like once or twice a game put my jaw on the ground. I'll be watching him like, how did he just throw it that far? Just effortlessly. Yeah. He is, he's that incredible and he's playing at that high of a level that he can still shock me.

And I, I, you know, I'm not saying he's Patrick Mahomes cause Mahomes has the MVP in the Super Bowl, but there's only a few guys in the league who can do that where you sit there and you're like, holy fuck, how'd they do that? He's getting up to that level of how, how do you do that? It's also super impressive when you're doing it and it's cold outside. I know it probably makes like very little difference in terms of throwing the football, but watching on TV, if it's like 30 degrees outside and Josh Allen is like the king of small windows and just nailing these throws, right?

Like if it's cold, it's like more impressive personally to my eyeballs to watch it. I do think that Josh Allen is the new king of windows in the NFL. I think he has windows that he hits that Patrick Mahomes. I don't think Patrick Mahomes can make those same throws. Yeah. I think that Josh Allen, I think the Buffalo Bills could very well beat the chiefs. In fact, I definitely can. I think that the Buffalo Bills will beat the chiefs in the playoffs.

Oh, wow. I'm going to be the first to, I'm going to be the first that I heard say it to say it. Okay. The Buffalo Bills are going to the Super Bowl, but I don't want to hear, I haven't heard anyone say it. I know who said it. I don't want to give him credit. I'm going to say it with my chest though.

All right. All right. That's the Bruce Hart. Yeah. These Buffalo Bills are going to the Super Bowl, but they might have to play the Browns in the playoffs. I don't know who I'm going to root for then. Well, the Browns got lucky because Mason Rudolph is now officially starting on Sunday.

I figured that was going to happen. Big Ben needed his bi-week hilarious that Big Ben, like the reports after that game on Monday after we had taped, but he essentially just started calling his own plays for the entire second half, just like drawing it up in the, that's, that's old school gunslinger like Brett Farve, like, Hey, we're just going to, we're going to, we're going to draw this up in the sand here and have a good ball. Yeah. Um, the Rams Cardinals game, which means a lot to my personal happiness that is, uh,

up in the air in terms of Kyler Murray's hurt, Jared Goff's hurt, Blake Bortles is back in on the Rams. Blake Bortles saving the Bears season would be fantastic. And then the other news was Dwayne Hasson's got cut and, uh, that was actually the correct move. And I don't know. No one's, no one's really saying it would. I haven't heard a single person be like, they should have kept him out.

How? Why? Yeah. Why? What's going on? Like, and I'm liking the reports that are coming out. Like everything is now in retrospect. At the time, hand up.

I wanted Dwayne Haskins. I'll admit it. I'm man enough to admit it. How about, how about some Giants fans who wanted Dwayne Haskins? I didn't know he was going to have diarrhea for a full calendar year and get cut. That's on me. There was no way to tell that, but like going back and looking at exactly who on the team wanted him and who didn't, like it was very clear that Jay Gruden never wanted Dwayne

Haskins. The people that were coaching the team at the time never wanted to draft Dwayne Haskins and Dan Snyder made him because he was from Potomac, Maryland and went to high school with dance. That is, that is the epitome of rooting for a team that's owned by Dan Snyder. Yeah. Your scouts and your front office draft a guy because he knew him when he was 15 years old.

That's, I mean, that is what the football team has been about in recent history. And then there were reports like that people in the war room wanted to throw up during draft night. I love that. I wish that. You know what? They're the same people who threw up when they saw Teddy Bridgewater's knee. Yeah.

You know what? Puked. Don't tell me that you thought about puking. I want to hear the report. You're being what they call extra. Okay. Right. That's very extra.

I'm a dramatic drama queen. Oh, I'm going to puke. So the, I bet you if somebody had puked, they wouldn't have drafted him. Yeah. They would have been like, oh my God. Yeah. Maybe that would have been the start of the coronavirus. Yeah.

Or maybe what's going on. Or maybe they would have just like ran out the clock on their pick like the Vikings. You're like, oh, shit, our draft cards covered in vomit. Yeah. He, I think he'll get at least one more chance, but who knows? Because the list, well, the list now of quarterbacks who were drafted in the first round in the last 25 years and cut by their team before winning four games, Achilles Smith, Johnny Menzel, Paxton Lynch, Dwayne Haskins.

So I wouldn't, like, there's a chance that he won't get another chance. Oh, he's absolutely getting, he's football young. Paxton Lynch and Johnny Menzel did not get another chance. Yeah. But Dwayne Haskins is a little bit different. He's football young. And he was good enough. Okay.

Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Johnny Menzel was a different story too. Like you can't say that Johnny Menzel washed out because he wasn't good at football. No, but Dwayne Haskins has other things besides football that got him cut. Yeah. He loves strippers.

Right. So, so when I say he gets another chance, I, I, I agree that he will get, he will be in a camp or something. Do you think he will, he will start any other football game in the NFL? Yes. He will start. He will start. I don't.

It might be a situation where he's a backup and gets in at a starting because of an injury. Care to make it interesting. All these guys, like the, the amount of turnover and how quickly you can just be done. He's fast now because well, all the old guys aren't going to retire. So like Tom Brady and Phil Rivers and Drew Brees, they're never going to retire. Big Ben. I don't think there's a lot of seats at the table. There aren't.

But he'll think about all the back up. He will start. I guarantee you. Okay. I will bet you $1,000 that he will start another game. Think about all the backups that, that are now like going to be looking for a job next year. Right.

You would take Dwayne Haskins over Marcus Marriota. I would. Are you talking to me personally? No, no, no, absolutely not. James Winston. Marcus Marriota. Yeah. I'd take him too.

Yeah. Mr. Biscay is going to be out there, which I know like everyone's going to laugh, but someone will take a chance at him. Yeah. I take him over. Dwayne Haskins. Dwayne Haskins. Yeah.

I, I think it's going to be, look how, dude, Josh Rosen's never going to play another game. I think we've seen enough from Josh. I think the body of evidence on Josh Rosen. We've seen about the exact same with 12 games out of Dwayne Haskins. Yeah. Josh Rosen didn't play. Not by a lot.

Well, his, the Dwayne Haskins stat lines are very similar to Josh Rosen's. Very. I'm just saying. He's got 350 yards, but like, yes, he's bad, but the fact that he only played 12 games in college and like 14 games in the NFL, they're all, and his arm is good enough where there will be a coach that's like, I can fix this man. I can, he's got the raw materials. I'll break him down.

I mean, if, if Urban Meyer gets into the NFL, he's definitely going to bring Dwayne Haskins along as a backup. I'm just saying it's, it's more, it's, it's, it's not as like guaranteed as it used to be. Normally would have been like, Oh yeah, he'll definitely get another shot. He's the first round pick. I don't think, I don't think it's as guaranteed as it used to be. They played Josh Rosen and Dwayne Haskins.

They played the exact same number of games. But Josh Rosen went to college for what, like three years, but, but that they play the exact same number of games in the NFL. But Dwayne Haskins will definitely, I mean, Josh Rosen has gotten like four more shots after he got. Not starting. After he got cut by the. Not starting though.

He hasn't started another. Trust me. Dwayne Haskins, he'll start a game. It'll be. Interesting. I, I'm, I'm not, I'm not like guaranteeing that. I don't think Dwayne Haskins will get a starting job, but he'll definitely get a backup job that will lead to a start at some point.

Um, okay. Yeah. I could buy that. I don't, he will never be named starter for a season again. Probably not. Yeah. Yeah. I agree with that.

Okay. That's, I think you and I were arguing two separate things. Yeah. Well, I still, I still would say that I would say it's more likely than not that he does not start another game in the NFL. I really think that it's, it can go a lot faster than people realize at this point with how many, how close college and the NFL are together in terms of like the play calling and they've, they've come together a lot more and how many quarterbacks we see in the draft

every single year, like flooding the NFL rosters, how quickly they turn over. There'll be one coach though, because coaches fall in love with arms so easily and Dwayne Haskins has an arm that there'll definitely be a coach be like, Oh my God, I can, if I can harness the power of his arm, I can, I can ride this all the way to like a Superbowl. But I'm more than Haskins is not, he does not have what it takes to be a full time starter. I'm more saying that I wouldn't be shocked if he doesn't get another starting job ever again in the NFL and it wouldn't be because of anything besides Dwayne has kind of fucking himself over.

Yeah. Because I think that this is how the NFL works now where they just, they burn through guys fast and we will move fast on a guy and it will be over. I think if you went back and listened to the show that we did when he came in like in the third quarter, the middle of the third quarter against the Giants last year for his first reps in the NFL, we said like, okay, Washington is Jay Gruden is absolutely putting him out there to show Dan Snyder that this guy sucks. Please don't make me play him at the time.

People thought that we were crazy for saying that, but I think that just demonstrates our deep knowledge of Dan Snyder and the Gruden family. Yes. Yes. And then the other news, trying to think, oh, the Cubs are doing a fire sale, that fucking sucks, whatever. The Padres are going to be, the Padres are basically getting loaded so that they can finish second to the Dodgers again.

I know this makes no sense, but you could put an all-star team on the Padres and I would just assume that they would finish second place. Yeah. They're going to finish second place to the Dodgers. I know the sweetest uniforms of baseball. They do. And they got the vibe going in Slam, Diego. The Cubs are going to start dipping into like very hateable in terms of the ownership territory

very, very soon because I have a feeling they're going to do a fire sale and make everyone pay for their shitty TV network. They're going to make everyone pay for like all the new bars and Wrigley and everything and they're going to suck on the field. So that was the other story. Anything else? Yeah. Do you want to get mad about rankings real quick?

Sure. We can get mad about rankings because ESPN just put out their list of the top players. Top 28 teams to ever make the college football playoffs. So they have college football playoffs, the college football playoffs over the years. Number one. Wait. I'd rather go the other way. You want to start?

Let's do top 10. No. I want to know. 28's got to be the worst team. Michigan State or Washington. Okay. The worst team to ever make, it's 2015 Michigan State. Okay.

Yeah. That makes sense. Washington? Notre Dame from 2018. Okay. That makes sense. They got their shit kicked by Clemson. And then Notre Dame.

Well, Notre Dame is kind of like a dynasty here. Notre Dame is at 26 also. Okay. But that's this year's Notre Dame team. Okay. That's pretty disrespectful to rank them. Yeah. That's very mean.

26, having not played in the college football playoffs. Yeah. Okay. Then we've got Oklahoma from last year. I think that's kind of like, if you played against LSU in this, you're going to be docked. Yeah. Like, yeah. And then 2016 Ohio State is number 24.

So let's skip to the top five now because there's a lot of teams in between. It's just Alabama and Clemson. Let's see. Oh, no. Ohio State when they won it. Top five, number five, 2018 Alabama. They went 14-1. Number four, 2016 Clemson when they beat Alabama in the Natty.

Then 2017 Alabama, then 2018 Clemson, and then LSU, number one. Oh, wow. So Ohio State was what, six? Ohio State was six. Yeah. Okay. Well, that's... But yeah, I think...

There's a snake eating its tail there. Eight out of the top 10 are just Clemson and Alabama. Yeah. I mean, they're better than everyone. It happens every single year. Anything else I'm trying to remember. I think that's it. Bullmania, Cheesepole.

We're taping this right before the Cheesepole, but just a reminder, the 2018 Cheesepole is one of the worst best games I've ever seen. No best worst games I've ever seen in my entire life with nine interceptions. I was going back through it today to try to remember it and going through tweets. The quarterback for TCU went seven for 20 with four interceptions, 27 yards, and he actually got benched for a play by a guy who had dropped foot, which is paralysis in your foot. It was incredible.

I remember watching it and being like, what is going on? And it sounds like a disease that you get in the trenches of World War I. It was crazy. And then someone sent me a screenshot this morning, it was so funny. The progression, the quarterback for TCU, which they won the game, by the way. The quarterback for TCU was like four for 15 for 10 yards and four interceptions. And then like a quarter later, he was five for 17 for eight yards. So he went backwards in yards in one more completion.

I also remember they put a graphic up of like the quarterback that they brought in and it was like one of his legs doesn't work. Right. One of his legs doesn't work. And it was, there was a moment in time where the TCU and the Cal quarterbacks were the only two quarterbacks in all of division one who were seniors on their roster playing in a game when they had never started a game for the team that they were on. That's like that.

It was insane. It was absolutely insane. So yeah, one more thing, Jim Schwartz, it looks like is trying. He's put himself in a position of temporary interim head coach of the Philadelphia Eagles. Oh, nice. Because he gave, he gave a press conference and he was talking about what they excuse me, what they have to do this weekend on Sunday night. And he said, we've, we've got to have a no hat rule this week.

So no hats. They're not allowing hats in the building because they shot at Carson Wentz because they don't want to have the Washington football team go into their house and then put a division champion hat on right after the get, so they're leading by example, no hats. I don't like that though. I feel like. Yeah. No, you guys are.

I'm scared. I'm scared. Well, also, I mean, if you, if Carson Wentz plays now, you're really fucked because Carson Wentz, if you take away his backwards hat, he's a franchise quarterback, but if it goes forward, well, no, he's not wearing a hat. He can't wear a hat. I don't know. I still have the mindset that the more Carson Wentz tries to do, the worse he is.

No, no. More Carson. Don't want Carson Wentz. I don't. I do want an extreme version of Carson Wentz. I want the most Carson Wentz version of Carson Wentz possible. All right. Let's do our best stuff.

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Here he is. Tim the Tapman. Okay. We now welcome on very special guest. It is Tim the Tapman. You know him. He is a very famous person on Twitch, streamer, video game guy. You might have actually found out about him through the Fall Guys situation that you had

a couple months ago, which was electric. That's how I first saw you on my radar. Tim, thank you for having us on Tim, or thank you for coming on. Absolutely, absolutely. It's great to, we've been trying to set this up for a while. So we're trying to broaden our horizons. Get more involved in the Twitch. Can you, can we start like from the, from the top, like your, your history, your story,

how you got into all this? Yeah. Yeah. Sure. Absolutely. So I started, I started streaming. I heard about Twitch about eight years ago, right? And I used to watch Soda Pop and it was still a very large streamer.

Then I watched him years ago and I was like, man, this is kind of cool. This guy is just like playing video games and hanging out and there's like a chat room and stuff like that. And so I was like, I want to try that. So I built my very first streaming PC about eight years ago now it was 800 bucks. And I just started kind of doing it casually on the side and I was working, I was working full time, 40, 50 hours a week, just doing the normal thing and just kind of streaming like 20 or 30 on the side.

And then after a while, you know, I finally got my sub button and I started being able to make some money on it. And I was like, oh, dude, this is, this is cool. And then I'll never forget one day I was sitting there, I was like, man, I'm making more money on the side than I am in my full time thing. I was like, shoot, maybe I should give this a shot, right? And I still won't forget I went in and I talked to my boss and I was like, I appreciate you guys all a lot.

This is great, but I think I got to take a chance here and I got a good, and you know, here I am now seven years later, I've been full time for almost seven years now. So it's, but I'll just start as a hobby and it was a lot smaller back then, a lot smaller. So when you were coming up and playing video games your whole life, I would imagine were you always like an entertaining person while you were playing video games or were you like when you started where you kind of quiet and then you got good at talking shit and then you were like, Hey, maybe I should be broadcasting this. Yeah, no, I always, I was always pretty vocal, my friends will tell you no matter what I played.

I actually, I still, I have not played a game of Madden since I was 15 cause I got so mad at one of my friends cause I'm a big Cowboys fan, obviously, and he's an Eagles fan and he was the Eagles and I was the Cowboys and I was losing 52 to six at half and he was just, I wasn't even saying anything. I was so mad. I like freaked out. I like threw my controller, I threw my phone into a wall. It was a whole thing and I, but I've always just had, I just had to like express myself

whenever I played, whether it's called duty or counter strike or a sports game like Madden, you know, but I guess I've always just kind of been that way my whole life, you know, I wouldn't, I don't know if I ever thought I was entertaining though, it was just kind of what I did. You know what I mean? Yeah, there's definitely something to be said for like guys who are fun to play video games with. I've got friends that are very fun and then some friends that are probably better, but

not as fun to play video games with and I'm always going to choose the person who's like better at shit talking, you know, Exactly. Yeah. Right. You want to, you want to, you know, there's times where we would come home from work and we just play Call of Duty and just kind of, you know, hang out. It's, it's not as serious, right? Even if we're not winning, we're still having a good time, right? I think, and there's a lot to be said about that, man, to just kind of decompress after work and stuff and just hanging out.

You know what I mean? So. So you, you, you tell the story about, you know, quitting your job. That's an awesome moment. Anyone who bets on themselves, you know, PFT and actually everyone in this room has kind of had that similar moment of like, Hey, we're not going to do the traditional job. We're going to give this a go, but what was the moment where you realized, oh, fuck, this is actually kind of a career here. Like this is being a video game player is now a legit career. Yeah, I really, it was, it was around the time I was going full time.

Like I said, I was kind of, it was at a point where I was working less out the side, but I was making more money. I was like, okay, well wait, maybe I got something that I could take a shot here, but even when I did that, I'll never forget, I was talking to my dad and he was like, well, you got to be careful. Have something to fall back on just in case. And I did, you know, I did understandably because I mean that long ago, people were making money playing video games when it wasn't anywhere near the level of money that we're looking at now. I haven't seen industry grow. I mean, to be fair, I was younger, right? But growing up in this video game industry and seeing like the amount of money that a

lot of these, a lot of these young kids even are making now is, is crazy. It's crazy to see. It's like, it's almost a flip, right? When I was younger, my dad was like, get off those video games, go work, you know, go play outside. Now that you got some parents that are like, get on that video game quick. It's like a, it's a weird dynamic now or kind of flipped around. But it really was around that time that when I, for me personally, it was at that moment where I was kind of making more, you know, playing video games, entertaining on the side. And I was like, I think this could actually be something here and I want to give it a shot. Did you have any moments at your, at your old, you know, real job where while you were working

gaining popularity, like somebody from, you know, your side universe that knew you from your streams brought that into, you know, your real orbit in the office or something like that. And you had to kind of weigh your popularity offline versus what you're doing like in an office environment or whatever your job was. Yeah. Nothing like that ever really happened at work. I had gotten recognized a little bit while I was still working, but it wasn't at work necessarily. And all my co-workers obviously knew what I did. And so it was kind of this thing where, you know, they were just kind of joking around like, oh, Tim, you play video games for a living and blah, blah, blah. And but at that point in my, in my career, I've been recognized maybe a handful of times at that point,

you know, because I'm from Syracuse, New York, which is a, you know, smaller town and I, you know, I mean, it's not super, super small, but it's a smaller city, right? And so I got recognized a couple of times, like a real small handful of times. And part of that too is because I didn't really go out much, right? I was working 40, I was streaming 30. And then if I had time on the side, I was trying to hang out with some friends stuff like that, you know, when I was a lot younger. So but no, not really at work necessarily. But around that time, there were people that were starting to recognize me in the Syracuse area. So where do you rank on the skill based level? Because like the fall guys is a perfect example where I think, yeah, maybe I'm, I'm, I'm new to

streaming, understanding it, but it does feel like there are exceptional video game players and they're the people that are a fun hang and really entertaining. And it seems like this isn't a knock on your video game skills, but would you say you fall into that category? I definitely fall in the category of more fun to play with. And I understand that it's a weird dynamic though, because I've always, my chat always called me like a wild card, right? You kind of never know what you're going to get out of base play for me. Every once in a while, there's this weird, you know, version of me when I'm playing that just like, almost like transcendence. And I'm like, I don't even know what I'm doing, right? And there's times where I've clutched up and

pretty crazy moments. And, you know, even with something like Fortnite, like I have some earnings in Fortnite, I have earnings in Warzone from tournaments, right? Not just my stream, but when you, when you look at me compared to a lot of these guys that are way, way, way up here, obviously I'm a lot less skilled than them, you know, but the reality is I'm playing with these guys like Nick, swag, Cloaksy, these guys all got, excuse me microphone, these all, these guys all got what five plus KDs, maybe like four or five ish. I'm sitting around a two seven. So like if you put me against like 13 year old me, I would kick my ass. Wait, what's KD? What's KD? Oh, KD, KD's kill death ratio. So it's like for every, for every time like Cloaksy's alive, he'll get five

kills before he dies. Does that make sense? Yeah. So like for me, that's kind of the base that a lot of people do with Warzone to kind of tell where you're at. So like for me, I'm a two seven, which means for me, usually 2.7 every time I die. Average normal for most is a round of one. What, what about now? I mean, I, I haven't played Call of Duty in a couple of years, but I was like a negative three, I think. That's, you know, it's not bad. I played Warzone for the very first time last night. I jumped out of the plane, got my parachute caught in a tree and then I fell on the ground and died immediately. That's a negative. Is that just a negative one? That's the absolute, that's a negative one. So I guess that's your KD right

It's an efficient negative one though, because it was so fast, right? Yeah, right, right. Your time, time played, time played is impressive. Right. So man, this guy played for like five seconds and he's got a negative one KD already. What, yeah. What advice would you give to somebody hypothetically who is just starting to play Warzone? If you could give them like two pieces of advice to be the best Warzone player that they could be? That's a good question, actually. Great question. I would, I would say don't, so a lot of us guys, they always see us drop in Super Store, right? They see us landing at these hot spots and just getting in. If I was starting, I would land away out, you know what I mean? Because Battle Royale has obviously been a

genre that I've been around for a very long time now. I remember, I'm a three Battle Royale, this is six, seven years ago that I played it and then you got games like H1Z1, which kind of came from it. And I'd always played like Battle Royales and I'd always liked the concept. But when I first started, I was always like, okay, let's just go far away, try and like get myself situated and then let's make our way in. Whereas now in Warzone, I'm just like, okay, hop right in the middle. You got 25 people landing on you and it's crazy. I like that advice. Like just be a coward. I can use that advice. I can lean into that. I don't know if coward, you know, maybe, maybe be intellectual with your positioning. That's how I'll frame it. Yeah, I'll be really extra smart with it. Is it

possible to win an entire Battle Royale without firing a shot? Because that's what I want to try to do. We did it in Fortnite. Yeah, I think it's like third in Fortnite once with just hiding in a bush. Yeah, that's what I want to do. Fortnite, we made it happen. Warzone, I think would be a lot, a lot harder. I don't even know if we ever tried that in Warzone because Warzone's got to play us so much. I mean, I've seen Fortnite, it's like you get shot and you just kind of like build, right? And there's less, I would say like QPPU kind of gunplay compared to Warzone. Yeah. Warzone would be really hard to not win without a shot. We did win one where we only used like Melee Cali Sticks. We did that, but technically we didn't shoot. Cali Sticks is like you run around with

these two sticks. Yeah, they're just kind of pop, pop. And yeah, you just like hit. So we actually, actually we might have gotten second. I don't know if we won with that. It was, we were really close with that though. But that was really hard because you got, if these guys know what they're doing, and they, you know, most of the time they do and they have guns, if we don't, I mean, that's just kind of shocked. That's what I might try to do. I might try to be a pacifist in Warzone and see how far I can get. Get the riot shield out and just kind of hold their eye. You know, I got to tell you, I've seen a lot of guys in the end game with just a riot shield, just walking around because no one could kill them. Yeah. Something to say there, you know.

This is kind of, it might be a boring question, but I'm always, you know, interested in just day to day, like, what is your schedule? Like, what do you do? So I'm typically up around six or seven. I have a kid, my son, he's, he's a little less than two. So he's usually up right and early. I have a son of some age, yeah. Yeah, obviously. It's like, they're up, you're up, you know what I mean? It's like, hey, the day's starting for everyone. It's five o'clock. So, you know, six or seven is usually when I get up, I've been, I've been trying to look after my health a bit. So I'll try and go for like a little run, mile, two, three on a really good day, you know what I mean? And, and then usually get some coffee in me,

and I'm usually going live around nine or 10 in the morning. And then typically I'll go to about five or six straight through straight through, you know, times, obviously you'll get a walk around but I'm not, I wouldn't say I'm gone for like an extended period. It's, you know, I like, I think back when I used to work at a warehouse, right? It's like out of 15, 20 minute break, right? Just kind of walked away and just didn't, I don't, you don't have anything like that, necessarily, obviously, but like, if I got to get up and get something to eat really quick, I'll just go grab something, come back. And then, and then, so then I'm streaming from about 10 to five, 10 to six on a long day. And then, you know, sometimes, a lot of times actually,

I'll like, you know, meetings, something, you know, something like this, obviously, this, I just shut my stream off and now here I am doing this, right? So there's a lot of stuff surprisingly that, that happens off the stream that a lot of people obviously don't see when you're not live, right? But then, you know, I'm fricking, you know, usually like after this, I'll just go get some dinner, maybe a steak or something, and then relax for a little bit, hour or two. Sometimes I play a video game off stream. That's a funny conversation with my wife. Yeah, because, yeah, because it's hard to explain, but like when I'm playing, when I'm streaming, so for example, I just got done with Fortnite. I was playing Fortnite for

about four or five hours there with Nick. And when, when, when I get off stream, you know, I have like different games and I kind of, I chill out with more, you guys over here, World of Warcraft, you know what that game is? I love Wow. But I don't typically stream it as much, just because it's not in my, I guess you could say wheelhouse of how I entertain, if you will. Right. There'll be times I'll be like, I'm just going to stream it, you know, but it was always how, here's what I always tell people is World of Warcraft, I haven't played since I was 13, it's always how I D, D, D fragged, right? So it's like I'd work, come home from work,

hop on Wow for like an hour or two and go to bed, right? So now sometimes I'm playing eight hours a day, then I get off and I'm like, all right, you know, hang out with my, hang out with my son for a little bit, put him to bed. It's like, all right, I'm going to go. I mean, like, porn stars have sex, right? After they shoot porn. That's right. Right. That's right. Exactly. I've never thought of it that way. Yeah, you make love to wow. To wow. Right. You're fucking during the day. Right. And then you're making love to wow at night. That's right. That's right. Yeah. I mean, that's, that's a good way to look at it. I mean, absolutely. But, um, but yeah, that's usually my, my day in, day out kind of. Is it all,

is it seven days a week? Are you, do you take a day off? No, man, I'm actually so a lot of these streamers, a lot of them go hard for a really long time. Um, I, I've always, always taken two days off. And I think that's been great for me. Yeah. I, I see a lot of, there's a ton of burnout as funny as it is to say a lot of people, a lot of people looking outside in, they look at something like this as a job and they kind of laugh at it. Like, how would you burn out? All you're doing is playing, playing video games all day, right? But, um, there's a lot of people, man, just like mental burnouts that are just, they're done. I think a big part of why I've been able to do this for so long is I have a pretty healthy balance, man. I'll, I'll

take two days off a week, usually, uh, with the exception of if there's something, something big's going on in my hop on on a weekend or something like that. But usually Saturday, Sunday's, I'm off. And then, um, in summers too, we'll, we'll, you know, I'll take like a week family vacation, you know, and not a ton of these streams. I mean, to be fair, a lot of them are kids, right? But it's like, I got, I got my family, my wife, my kid, and I'll, I'll, you know, take them out of vacation, just completely disconnect for a week and go hang out at Disney or Lando, whatever. Uh, and just, uh, you know, relax. And, uh, I think there's a big, a big, you know, testament to that. But, you know, usually, usually five days a week though.

Yeah. I mean, that's cool. I mean, that's, it's interesting just to hear because you really, it's a job. You know what I mean? You love it, but it's also a job. It's really is like, here's my, I'm working a schedule just like anyone else who works. I mean, in addition to the porn star thing, that's like us watching sports and talking about sports and then we go home and we watch sports and we talk about sports, but it's different because we're not, people are hearing us do. Yeah. You know, um, this might be a dumb question, but do you do eye exercises? I actually, I don't, not a dumb question. And my eyes have gotten worse since I've been playing for so long. I will say that too. It's not, it's not to a point where I don't have any glasses.

Basically when I started, I was 20, 20 for a really long time. And now I'm, um, my, my vision is not as good as it was. I can tell, like there's, cause I'm staring at the screen all day, right? I'm looking here. I'm looking here. And then I like go to look at my TV and it's like way far away. And I'm like, what the heck? And I've definitely gotten to that point now where I don't know if it's old age combo. You know, I'm 30 now. I don't know if it's that combo with, uh, you know, playing for eight hours a day, but I don't actually do eye exercises. What I will say is, um, you know, if I don't play wow or something, I try not to stare at a screen as much even on my phone. I try not to like be on my phone at the time and like just try to get my eyes a little, a little break

at least, you know, do you dream about video games? I mean, sometimes, bro, sometimes there's a, I, are you good at those? Like, are you good? Cause you're not in real life. Right. That's, that's the dream, right? It's, it's, you know, thinking about, oh man, I just, I just, I squad wiped them so easy. No, I, I, I will, I'll dream about like World of Warcraft once in a while. Even times when I was playing a ton of Fortnite, I dream about four nights, weird man, but I think that's kind of how it is with anything that you're kind of consumed with, right? You'll, you'll, you'll go to bed and your, and your subconscious will be thinking about, you know, whatever it is that, you know, you're super, super obsessed with, you know, and I mean,

video games for me, I'd always played my whole life. I'd always loved them. And it was a constant battle with me and my dad saying, get off the video games. But here we are, man, able to turn my, turn my obsession into a job, thankfully. Yeah. So we got to, so one of the guys who works here is a huge, huge fan. Like he actually, when we were getting ready to interview, he pulled me aside. It was like, I have been a Tim Tapman fan forever. I'm going to send you guys a list. So he sent us a list. Some of these questions we don't even really like know what they mean, but can we fire off of you with them? Yeah. Yeah. This will be interesting because I'll be able to kind of tell. Yeah. This is what like your hardcore fans probably want to hear.

Sure. How much money do you make after taxes? Oh my gosh. I don't even know about that. No, I'm just kidding. That wasn't a real question. I don't even know if to top my head, bro, because that's all my business managers. Yeah, no, no, that wasn't a real question. All right. I was about to go through. Why you should, why you should buy a Jeep over a Tesla? Oh, well, I mean, let's start with the, you know, the base minimum, right? Jeeps are cooler, right? Just, you know, you can take the doors off. You can take the tops off. One thing I love about my Jeep, I, so I drive Wranglers and I have a Gladiator

and you'll never see like one or two Jeeps that are the same because there's so much like customization on them, bro. You know, one guy's got the Dave Matthews sticker in the top right hand corner and one guy has something right on the back of the tire. Yeah. No, you're right. Oh, bro. I'm a huge Dave fan too. So that's funny. But yeah, I, dude, and, you know, if there's like a zombie apocalypse or something like that and there's like a Tesla that is like, let's say abandoned on the side of the road, right? Hypothetically, you know, you disconnect your sway bar, you're in a Jeep, bro. You just go right over it. You know what I'm saying? So there's a lot of benefits, you know,

but ultimately, Jeeps are just superior in every way, shape and form. It's tough to quit dipping if you're driving a Jeep though, because you're, you're going, first of all, you're outdoors at the time. Second of all, you're going to gas stations are good from Blake Bordel's purchase of Tesla just so that he would stop going to gas stations to buy dip all the time. Really? He still did. It didn't work. I don't know if the Tesla worked, bro. Yeah, that's a, that's a expensive method of quitting Copenhagen. Yeah. Cold, cold turkey might have been a little, little, little better, you know, found the wallet, but here's another question that we got sent. How much taller are you than Nick Merckx?

Oh, he's how tall, how tall you guys think he is? I think he's my height because he's what are you because he says that he's five, 11, six feet. I'm five, eight and a half. Okay. Yeah. He's, he's right around there. Five, eight, five, nine. Okay. So you tell me how tall are you? I'm, you know, I'm depends on the shoes I'm wearing, but I'm around, you know, six, three, two, six, one on a really good day. Six, one on a good day. I'm over six foot easy though. I have no idea how tall you are. You just gave me three. This is, this is, if you're over six feet, you don't have to lie. You know that, right? I am over six and a half. I don't have to lie. I'm six, two and a half. I am, I am over six foot and Nick is just, he's just, just ever so under six foot and

he really can't accept it. It's crazy. Okay. Could you beat him up in a fight? That'd be a hard fight, bro. It depends on the circumstances. He, I mean, he's a, you know, he's, and he's lifting right now heavy right now. He kicked my ass probably. I used to lift a lot back in the day, but right now I'm kind of getting into my old days 30, you know, I'm running, you know, my legs right now are strong, but my, my, my, you know, my upper body's not there right now. So he'd probably, I could get a good hit though. Yeah. What if you guys were both at your peak? Dude, you can beat that. That's a tough one. That's a really tough one, bro. I, I, I got hit with a Ford F-150 while I was running. What? And I, and I popped up from it. Yeah. I got hit.

Like this guy blew a stop sign. I was running. This was back when I was lifting a good amount. I was, I was jogging and the guy blew a stop sign. I heard it last second. Yeah. Go ahead. No, I was just saying, are you sure this just wasn't GTA? No, I'm positive, bro. It's not, this was real life. Tell the story. Tell the story. Yeah. So, so I was just, you know, jogging and the guy, I saw the truck. I had a stop sign. So I was like, I'll just go through. He apparently blew the stop sign and he just like hit me and I, my only reaction was to jump up and lean into it. Thank God. Cause otherwise it probably would have like went over me and I'm being a lot, a lot different circumstances right now, but I got hit and I popped up

because I, I, I always played sports when I was younger. So my dad, I like heard my dad in my head like walk it off kind of thing, you know, like I didn't just get hit by a truck. So he hit me and popped up and the guy pulled over and this is the funniest part to me, bro. It's high noon on like a sunny December day in Syracuse and I'm wearing a reflective jacket just for whatever reason. And the guy comes out of the, comes out of the truck. I'm six foot 250. He goes, man, you came out of nowhere. I was like, Oh, I was like, I came, I came out of nowhere, bro. I don't know where you were looking when I was dead in the center of this intersection. But yeah, he, yeah, he hit me good and then put like that didn't even knock me out. You know what I mean?

That kind of hit me and I was like, Oh, oh, shit. I just kind of popped up. But peak, it'd be an interesting fight, bro. Sounds like you could win. Yeah. I mean, let's say this is a truck. You just said that you leaned into a truck. Yeah, I did. I did. And it didn't, it didn't knock me out. So I don't know. But you know, I mean, one good punch that could really kind of, you know, change your day. You know what I'm saying? That's true. Between you and Nick, if, if you guys were to play a game of war zone, what's the, what's the BD ratio, the bros per death? How many bros do you let out during it during a game as compared to him? Cause I know he's a big bro guy too. Yeah, there's like a, there's this whole running joke about how listening

to a stream with me and him is just every other word is bro, bro, bro. I would say our average bro per death is probably about six or seven to be honest for me. It's probably higher than my, higher than my kill death. But him and I both, we just kind of, I don't know. Bro has always been a, um, my whole life, it's just been a middle, middle of the road term, like middle conversation. You know what I mean? Just like, yeah, what's going on, bro? You know what I mean? That just rolls off the tongue. But I, that's funny. Was that a question from the guy? Yeah. Did he ask that? Yeah. Yeah. Because we, we really, we say it way more than we probably should bro. Yeah. Oh, I just did it right there. That was like a natural, right? That was like a natural timer just rolled

off the tongue. It was a great word because you can be like, what's up bro? Which is casual or you can be like, bro, which is like, that's, you've been betrayed. Depending on the inflection, there's a lot of things that bro can mean. You know what I mean, bro? Yeah, bro. What's the meanest thing that the chat has said or like, what's the thing that really makes them mad or you makes you mad? That makes me mad. Gosh. This is a dumb thing to answer, by the way. I've, yeah, right. I've heard everything. I mean, well, I brought, I'm wearing this. I'm wearing so this is ninja's new hoodie and I'm wearing this today and they're all spamming a jiggly puff cosplay or Kirby cosplay. You know what I'm saying? Just anything, any kind of clothing I wear,

anything besides like a black t-shirt, if I have a base black t-shirt on, I don't really hear anything. If I put any other color on, it's, it's unbelievable, bro. Anything I wear, they just kind of harp on it and it's, it's literally gotten me a point where most of my wardrobe is just black t-shirts because I typically don't, I try to wear this today and it roasts me. It's crazy. You got to do it. I'm, I've slowly gotten into that zone too, just wear black t-shirts all the times then. Slimming, you know, makes me look thinner. Very slimming. Do you, what's your relationship with the chat overall? Is it like, do you, you converse with them the entire time? Do you have like hardcore Tim, the Tatman fans that you know and you recognize? How does that work?

Yeah. So there's, there's viewers that I've seen since like day one. There's a couple guys that have been there for eight, eight-ish years now, I think. And, and so like, I usually, I don't know how, but I'll usually catch them in the chat when they're in there. But I might at least show my chat's good, man. We, we joke around a lot at the beginning of my stream. I always talk, I always do like, it's almost like, I don't want to call it a podcast because it isn't, but it's like, it's called, I call it just chatting, right? Literally turn my stream on. Similarly, I'm just talking there in a, you know, we're just bantering back and forth, but it's instead of like me talking to someone else, I'm talking to the chat. That makes sense. So it's like a little, a little bit of a

different dynamic there. But, you know, I started, I saw off every day with that and it's just kind of how I ease into it. And I always say, I always say this, we joke around a lot and they roast me a lot, but I know they'd all have my back in a bar fight. That's what I always say. And any of my viewers that I met, I, you know, they would, they will come, you know, have a right hook out of nowhere. If someone, you know, someone's trying to start something with me. And it kind of feels like a, like a, like a tight family where you could joke around with each other or not, take each other too seriously and, you know, hang out at the same time. You know what I mean? Yeah, that's awesome. Have you ever done anything that's, that's caused the chat to turn on you?

Ooh, dang sus. Will you change your intro? Oh, I, when I, bro, my intro, man, and the new one is just so much better, but some of them are so locked in on the old intro. I just, how could you do that? How could you do that? How could I, but it's like this, these are clips from like seven or eight years ago. It's like, I'd like to change a little something at this point. And then, you know what, you know what, you know what my favorite part of the new intro is? My old intro was three minutes long and it was like this little song that we made and it was really catchy. But the new intro, the thing is it locked me into that free minute intro. Does that make sense? Right now,

my new intro loops for eternity. So if I'm walking around the house, you know, just kind of easing into my day, I'm not, basically, if I was at my computer after three minutes, they're staring at a black screen. There's nothing there. So now it's like, I can leave that thing up for an hour, bro, whenever I want to come out, you know what I'm saying? Give me another 30 minutes. But yeah, the intro, the, you know, the old intro is great. And every once in a while, whips my, my head mod, he'll, he'll play the, he'll play the old intro just for a good measure, you know what I mean? Just give it to him a little bit and you know, have them be happy. It's there. I can, I can understand that though. It's like, at some point that song, it stops becoming

like a pump up song for you in your own head. It's like a clock, like ticking down to zero. It becomes like an anxiety, you know? I heard, I heard that song in my sleep. Still, I can hear that song in my sleep. So I'm watching this video right now. So your son turned off your stream the other day. How like that, I mean, I, like I said, I have a son that's pretty much the same age and all they, all they do is just, if there's a button pressing it, but yeah, that's absolutely right. Literally and figuratively, but how do you, have you like, at what point are you going to hope that your son's going to start playing video games with you? And is that weird to think like I'm a dad, but I'm also a professional video game player? Yeah, I thought about that.

I mean, I, I think a lot of parents, some of them are kind of weary about, you know, televisions, iPads, stuff like that. Just like kind of giving it to a kid at a young age. I'm kind of the opposite. And I don't know if that's necessarily good, but I want him to, I'd love to play video games with him. I think that'd be great. I think about times when I was younger and even though my dad didn't like video games, he would still sit down every once in a while and kind of play with me. And those are some, you know, really, you know, loving moments that I have in my own memory. So I love, I'm really excited to have that happen with, with my own son. I will say that I'm planning on, you know, kicking his ass in video games for about as long as I can, because there's

probably going to come a point where he's going to be better than me, right? Cause a lot, a lot of these kids, they're, they're better than me right now. I can admit that, you know, but I want, I want him to think, oh my dad's crazy good, right? Even though everyone else in the world is like, he's okay. He's average. But now he beats me and everything, you know, but I think we're going to have a lot of great memories with that. I'm really excited for that. I love that. Yeah. It's great. It's like most dads are afraid of the first time that a kid beats him in basketball. Actually that's what I'm going to do with my kid eventually is I'm just going to beat the shit out of him in basketball when they're like five. And then so they'll retain

that memory and they'll think, oh my dad, my God, my dad is the best basketball player that ever He can almost be in the NBA, right? All right. I had one last question for you. Cowboys. Let's talk about the cowboys. Oh, let me do this. Final question brought to you by Cross Country Mortgage, America's Crazy Good Mortgage Company. Go to ccmlens.com slash take to learn more about your future home buying experience or refinancing needs, equal housing opportunity. All right. The cowboys, the cowboys, the cowboys fucking suck, dude. It's a hard year, man. It's a hard year. It's been a hard, which year are you talking about the last 25? It's been a hard, it's been a hard, it's been a hard long time. I, you know, I was,

I was three and four. I was born in 90. So I was, I vaguely remember 94. I consider myself that I watched that Super Bowl. That's right. Because my dad is a huge Cowboys fan and he sat me down next to him. And so I jokingly say that I saw the Cowboys win. But bro, I mean this year, woof. I mean, it's happened. It's kind of like a rinse of repeat, you know, as a Cowboys fan. I would say that it's like, at the beginning of the year, you're looking at, you're like, oh, this is, we look good. We're looking good this year. This looks great. All right. The talent, you look at the lineup, you're like, oh my God, how are we going to win? Right. And then, you know, a couple games in, you're kind of feeling it now. It's like, okay, well, and then maybe an injury happens or

something like that. You're like, well, okay. And then now we're, you know, wow, I don't even know what we are in our free seven. I think the whole, the whole FCS right now is just a giant, awful. It's just terrible. Whoever wins that, I always, I've been jokingly saying that whoever wins the NFC is going to win the Super Bowl watching. I think everyone's going to, everyone's going to under-expect it. You know what I mean? I think they're probably going to win a playoff game that happens all the time. Like there's a six and 10 team. Wait, was that, it was the Giants? Weren't they, didn't they win the Super Bowl coming off eight and eight? There were nine and seven, I think. Were they? I think they're nine and seven that year, but the Saints won when they were

nine and seven, when they won their division. Or we know when they were seven and nine. Seven and nine, right? They know they lost to the Seahawks. I forget how that went. I saw them. They won a game. Yeah, there was, there was like a, there's like a stat where it's like, you know, teams that are, you know, coming into the playoffs as the underdog, have a more chance, whatever. But I, you know, the Cowboys, man, I, yeah, I love them and I've been a fan my whole life, but it's, uh, yeah, man, this year, I mean, I'm, you know, I'm rebuilding year. I feel like I say that, you know, every year though. Right. Not even Cowboys just reload, but they just reload to being exactly as inefficient as they were. It's like their plague. I don't even know. Not,

I don't even think we're going to hit this year, but it's like, hey Nate, by the end of the year, every single time it's like, man, I, I don't know, bro. I don't know. As a fan, I just watch it. I'm like, man, hopefully, hopefully next year we get it all shortened out. You know what I mean? But I mean, I guess the spin zone is, as long as you pay Dak, then he'll probably come back and you guys will be a solid eight and eight, nine and seven again. Right. You're right. Right. I mean, I love, I love him as a QB. I was a huge Tony Romo fan too. I feel like a lot of people didn't really like Romo for whatever reason. I, I, you know, you think about the, the drop, you know, the fumble, you know, kick hold, whatever. But it's like, I always liked the way Tony Romo played and then

Dak came in and I was like, I like Dak a lot too. And I really, I really do have high hopes for Dak, man. I hope, I hope they, I hope they sign him and figure it out. We'll see. Yeah. Yeah. I actually did see this one last one, uh, from, from the sheet, uh, man of many looks throughout the years, just like you, he's talking to me and he said fluctuating, fluctuating in various weights, uh, which I actually noticed cause it's, I'm a bigger guy myself who fluctuates when you said at the beginning, you know, I'm trying to look after my health running a mile a day. That is such a fat guy thing to say. It is bro. Right. Right. Like I'll be, I'll say that every now and then be like, yeah, you know what? I'm on a diet. I went to the gym for 20 minutes today. I'm trying

to get healthy and then like check in three weeks from now and I'm eating a pizza doing the same shit. So keep strong. Stay strong. Thank you. Hey, I appreciate that man. You too, bro. We'll get there eventually, right? One day at a time. Yes. Yes. Yes. Well, yeah. Holidays are coming up. You're doing the pre holiday. I'm doing that right now too. Yeah, right. Pre holiday. Pre holiday so I can bulk, you know, bulk at the end of the summer. Yeah. It's games right now. You get, you get to take that diet through January because it's the playoffs and the Super Bowl. Right. Super Bowl. You want to eat good on the Super Bowl. So you kind of like end of December into like Super Bowl area. Well, in Valentine's day, you want to go

for a nice meal too. In Valentine's day and then after that, you know, it's like, oh, summer's coming up. Well, it's spring. All right, let's get, let's, let's diet again a little bit. It's like a, I think we figured out that America has really one month in which guys can realistically hope to die and that's, that's April. Like right after March, madness is over. You get April to kind of like not eat anything, just drink a lot of water, eat salad and then that through Memorial Day and then Memorial Day weekend through the summer. Yeah. Memorial Day is like the kickoff, the kickoff of eating barbecue and drinking beer. So yeah. Yes. Yes. Well, there's been awesome, man. We really appreciate it. We got to play some video games with you and Nick sometime. That

would be I'm down, bro. I'm down. Let's get you guys in some warzone games or four night, like four night or warzone. Which one do you like more? I'll play warzone. I'm actually going to try to see how long I can last without firing a weapon. Let's get it, bro. Let's get you in. So that maybe like when you put you next to me, people will be like, man, maybe it seems actually, you know, kind of decent, right? Maybe that'll be the thing. Right. Right. Yeah. The old Adam case, Jay Cutler. Yeah. I like Nick works, sitting in our studio and use the controls while I sit with a dummy controller and I'm smart. Yeah. Smart. Yeah. Smart. I like that. All right, man. Well, thanks so much. Really appreciate it. Absolutely, man. I appreciate you guys having me.

Thanks. Thanks much for doing this. It's awesome. Yeah. Go check them out on Twitch, Tim the Tapman. Very, very entertaining. Appreciate it. Appreciate it. Okay. Thanks to Tim the Tapman. Next up, PFT, we have, we're going to go actually in chronological order for the year for our best of and we have something that feels like it was 10 million years ago, but it was the national championship in New Orleans. It really does feel like that was 20 years makes no sense that this was 11 months ago. The best time ever. It was one of my favorite weeks I've ever had and one of my favorite mornings that I've ever had. It was right in the sweet zone when you were still drunk, but you hadn't quite started to get hung over yet.

Right. And so you were feeling great about all your decisions, which were probably questionable at best. Everything was funny. Yes. Like everything was giggling. Liam, what was your favorite memory from that morning? All of it. Yeah. All of it. Sleeping in. Liam had, we, we got back from the hotel at, uh, from after the game, we got back to the hotel, probably like three or four in the morning later, like 430 and we're sitting there. We're getting in the lobby and in the lobby, there's a guy disgruntled with a huge bag of delivery food and he's like calling and he's asking the front desk person and he's like, Oh, like, I'm trying to bring this up to some guy named Liam. We're like, all right, we'll take care of it. So we went up to Liam's room. We got a

key card. We dropped it off. We tried to wake him up the next morning. We went back, all the food, nothing had been touched. And, uh, yeah, it was a good night in New Orleans. It was wonderful. And, and the morning after was incredible talking to Joe and to coach Joe, asking him just like, probably the same four questions over and over again. Pretty much. There was one point where I asked Joe Barrow a question, but I'd never really had a question. I was just like, you guys kick ass. Yeah. It was, it's pretty cool watching. And so it was the Michael Scott, like you start a sentence. You don't know if it's going to end or not. Oh, I knew what I wanted to say to him. And I just wanted to be like, yo, do you know how much ass you kick? That was the question I wanted to

ask. Yes. Some pretty hard hitting stuff. But yeah, we just kind of lost a train of thought a few times, but one of the greatest mornings, one of the greatest weeks that we've had. And, and we're also going to throw in our interview with Jay Cutler, which was a great one as well. So we did that in New Orleans as well. So it was a great little trip with, with coach Joe, Joe Barrow, Jay Cutler, all three interviews, best of those coming up. Before we do that though, a quick word from our friends at Audible. So Audible, we've partnered with Audible and Audible is the number one place people go for audio books and all kinds of spoken word entertainment. They've added thousands of podcasts. We're on there. Part of my take is on there. So you can listen to us

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Marriott. We have the husband trophy winner, the national champion winner, Joe Burrow, Big Dick Joe. That hat was awesome by the way, Jay. You said you just woke up 10 minutes ago. We're in the same clothes that we wore last night. He slept through the, uh, the Golik and Wingo interview or whatever it was. Whoops. Kind of on purpose. They were banging on my door at 8 30 in the morning, so I didn't really want to get up. It is funny that they, they make you do interviews now. Like you don't, you have no obligations. Like I would be on camera and I would look like crap because I have, I would have literally zero sleep and I would be going on camera with these people and look like a fool. Well, now you're with us and we're just, we're the exact same as you. The podcast. Right. Trust me,

we are drunker than you are. I can't see my beady little eyes right now. Yeah. Um, so dude, do you want the national title? Yes. Yes, we do. That was crazy. Pretty cool. Were you ever at any point in the game worried? Cause you guys did go down. Yeah. Honestly, never. Not even no raw, raw speech. No raw, raw speech. Like we, when we were down 17 seven, we didn't even say anything on the sideline. Really? We knew what we had to do. I mean, that seems like you probably should like talk about the plays. I mean, we really didn't, we didn't say anything to each other. We just went out there and started playing football. Like we knew what we had to do. It was like the second or third play of the game where you rolled out. First play of the game. First play of the game,

you flushed out of the pocket and you rolled out to your right, hit a receiver downfield. They called it back at that point. I was so mad because it was an awesome play. Yes, it was. I don't care if there's a penalty on it. The play was so awesome that they should have let it stand. Yeah. Let us remember that play. That was a tough one. The first play of the game and it minus three instead of plus 45. Yeah. That was a tough one. Well, you also have like a thing going right now and I'm sure you've recognized it. Maybe you haven't, but like you just can do whatever you want and it ends up being a good play. Yeah. Like that thing that you did against Oklahoma when you were just running and you just threw the ball just up. You probably won't be

able to do that in the NFL as much, but right now you might as well just fucking milk it for all it's worth. Like I can just throw it up and let my guys get it. We'll be talking in meetings about like protections and getting the blitzes picked up and I'm really good at that, but I also say if I don't get it picked up, they still have to tackle me back there. Yes. And they can't do that. Yes. Hell yes. Was there, was there a raw raw speech that coach O gave at halftime? No, not really. I mean, we just went and sat in there went about our business, drank our water, said these guys can't mess with us and went back out and play football. These guys can't mess with us. I actually was more nervous for you guys at the second half when the second half starts.

And I was like, if they score, if LSU scores seven here at game over, but Clemson scores, so it's a three point game. They get the two point conversion. No nerves then. No, like, hey, they just, if they mess with the, if they on the same field, they just can't touch us. I mean, yeah, we, I mean, we're playing this. So we were playing with so much confidence right there. I really don't think anybody ever could have, could have stopped us. I mean, we were, I mean, we were just rolling. We had, I mean, I could just throw up a, I could throw the ball with my eyes closed and my receivers were going to go catch it. That's, that's how we felt. And I mean, we were just playing with so much confidence.

You guys are the definition of a goddamn machine. LSU's offense has been. Maybe the best team of all time. LSU's offense has been a machine this entire year, just steamrolling everybody. So it makes sense that you would be confident, even after, you know, like a slow start at the first couple of drives that you're able to put together. If you just do what you did all year leading up to this point. So right now, I think we all are. If you guys, if everyone could see all of our faces right now,

we're so swollen. I feel like a bunch of whales that have just been just dined inside of your question. And it was like, it was like, where are we? All right, here we go. Ready, Hank? All right, we now welcome on the man, the myth, the legend, is our good friend, coach, Ed Ogeron, national champion. Are you the king of Louisiana now? I think Joe Burrow is. I think you just, you just talked to the king of Louisiana. Okay, so, no, he's the prince. You're the king. Like, do you get, I'm pretty sure you are the king of the state of Louisiana. Well, it's been great. It's been great to be in Louisiana. I just love this state. Yeah, I think it's state law that you cannot legally purchase a beer for the rest of

your life. I think you're going to be paid for and taken care of from now on. Actually, you know what's going to be interesting is like 18 years from now, you're going to see a lot of college recruits coming into football, coming into NCAA football that are named Ed. Ed has been a name that has kind of dropped off, but I think you're going to see some LSU babies 18 years from now. It's big. Ed is back. Are you, I mean, this is insane. Have you had a second to be like, this is, if they wrote this script about you, they wouldn't make the movie because it would be like, no, he can't actually go to LSU and win. Like, that's too not believable. Have you had a moment to be like, holy shit, this actually happened? Very thankful. Very thankful. They couldn't have wrote

a better script. But you know what? You have to be in a place like LSU to do what we're doing, to attract the great athletes, to attract the great coaches. It's the expectation of this school. Yeah. Have you had a chance to sleep yet? You know what? I slept about three hours last night. Really? Yeah, I wasn't bad. Got a little, got a little shut off. There you go. Did you put a worm in your mouth before? No worm, man. No worm. I don't, I don't have to do that with this thing. They motivated. It's crazy. I mean, it's like a well-ordered machine. That was what Joe was saying when we were just talking to him. He said, there was no, there's no ra-ra speech at halftime. There was no talking about it. It was like, we're better than them. We just got to go play our game.

Execute. And you know, we got to believe in our players, our coaches, and our fundamentals. Unbelievable. Did you, uh, you set your jaw last night? I set my jaw several times. Oh, yeah. I set it at halftime most of it. It's probably the biggest one that I did. And I sent a message. For people who don't understand what we're talking about, Coach O punches himself. Well, it's kind of just a little... Yeah. Yeah, that's literally just punching yourself. Just to get things going just a little bit. Like that. I could knock myself out. Do you ever get, yeah, do you ever get worried that you're going to knock yourself out? No. Because you're so strong that you can beat yourself up? No, I kind of pulled away the

head right there. Here's the deal. You know how, you know how you're getting a fight, you got a big plan and everything, all of a sudden the first punch, all bets off, man. Yeah. Didn't you kick in another gear? Yes. And that's why I want our guys to kick in another gear mentally. Yeah. Because that, the way the game started, you know, down early, not, no, you know, the field position was a struggle. It was, you guys just didn't, you're unflappable. It was crazy. No panic, nothing. You know, when you got a quarterback like Joe, you believe, you believe, and you got players like we got, the coaches, win your office and score some points,

we just had to figure them out. Can we get Joe to get like a master's degree or something? I'm all for it. I'm all for it, my man. You get a doctor, yeah. Did you cry after? What was that? Did you cry after the game? No, I didn't. No, I was good. A little bit? No, not at all. It hadn't hit yet. It's going to be emotional. I do believe when we get back to town in Baton Rouge, see Tiger Stadium. Yes. And we always want to come back down 15 and on. This means a lot when I see that stadium. People are saying like maybe one of the best, if not the best, champions ever, you guys beat five of the top eight teams at the end of the polls.

I think we're in the conversation. Incredible. For sure. Can I be honest? You look very put together right now, considering what time it is, the day after winning a national title. You obviously got up early, took care of yourself. We are, we were literally rolled out of bed. Sorry, coach. We partied harder than you do. I feel bad, coach. I feel bad. I'm getting old. I don't do that stuff. No, I feel bad. I feel bad, coach. Oh, when we had Joe on, he told us, this was right after the Heisman, Ray Baker. We got to talk about Ray Baker. Ray Baker, man. Ray Baker. Great friend of yours.

Ray Baker. You got to be our friend. You got to spend time with him. If you don't spend time with him, he'll bake you ass. Joe actually told us, I think this was off the air after we're done recording our podcast, but he said that one of the first times he met with you, you asked him, what do you think about Ray Baker? And Joe was like, he's a good player. He was kind of bullshitting his way through it. And then you walked out of the room and then he looked to his buddy. He was like, who, who's Ray Baker? And he's like, Oh, that's what Coach O calls the sun. That big yellow ball in the sky, man. Raise in the sky will bake your ass. Yes, they will. Oh man. All right. Well, I know you got to get going. We appreciate it anytime. Can

we just do Go Tigers like 20 times in a row? I mean, every time I love, do you get mad? I get mad when they don't ask, let you say Go Tigers. That's right. Do you say it when you're walking in the, like when, okay, so if they're interviewing you at halftime and they don't let you have that Go Tigers, do you still say it? Yes, I still say it. Yeah. Every time. Okay, good. That's good to know because I always get so upset when it's like, wait, you didn't let him say it, put the mic back in front of him. He needs to be able to say Go Tigers. Go Tigers. Go Tigers. There you go. One last, last question. Have you figured out what you're going to buy with your millions and millions of dollars that they're going to pay you down? Because you're going to be a registered contract?

Contract for life? We'll do it. Well, you don't need to go talk to any of you, but I'm sure Ellison would take care of me and it's not about that. Be honest with you. I'm going to put it away for my children. Good. Good answer. Love it. We'll get it. We'll get you a contract for life. You want a contract for life? You guys want it? We'll get it. Coach for life. Coach forever. That will be the name. That will be the head coach forever. We'll be on front of your door. All right, coach. Oh, congrats again. Unbelievable. So happy for you. Thank you for your friendship. You guys are phenomenal. Go Tigers. Go Tigers. And now for something completely different. Okay, we now welcome on very special guest, old friend of mine,

owner of 14 Chicago Bear Records, which you didn't know until I just told you. It is Jay Cutler. Mr. Primetime, Mr. Fourth Quarter. What other nicknames do you have? Smoking Jay. Anything else? I think that's it. The sometimes confused for the bodybuilder. Yeah, my son actually just found him on the internet and thinks it's the wildest thing he's ever seen in his entire life. If you don't know what we're talking about, go Google, do a Google image search for Jay Cutler, and you will be shocked what comes up first. I want to jump in real quick because Big Cat, when he intro'd you, he dropped the F word, the friend word. Was that over the line or are you guys friends? No, we're friends. Yeah, we're friends. Yeah,

we're back together. There was a moment where it was we weren't together and now we're back. We just needed it. You know, sometimes you need some space. Right, four years. Yeah, that's fine. Yeah, exactly. We texted here and there. Usually I would text Jay and then he would, Jay does a really good thing, good job of making you feel really insecure by not texting you back until like a week later. Like even this, when we're coming to New Orleans, I texted him, I was like, Hey, we're coming to New Orleans. It's going to be awesome if you got you on the pod. And then he talked to our friend, Steven, and was like, Yeah, Big Cat texted me. I'm going to give that a few days. That's a power move though. And it texted me like it was like total mid conversation. He's like,

cool. We should hang out. Yeah, I like it. It establishes dominance. Yeah. All right, so I felt good about it. Yeah. Where do you want to start retirement? You feeling good? Are you officially retired? Yeah, I don't yeah. Yeah. Yes. What I said that because I don't know if you like ever like there's no retirement papers, you know, like you just you just don't have a job anymore. I'm pretty sure there are retirement papers out there. If you're under contract, I think you have to fill something out. But if you don't have a contract or if you're not on a team, it's just it's over. Yeah. I think a lot of people will be interested to know like how this how this bromance began because honestly, I don't really know like what the start of it was. How did you guys meet each

other? Well, Jay's been was always a long time stooling fan of Barstool. And I actually like no joke, like, Oh, a lot to Jay, because back in the day, when we were starting Barstool Chicago, we had like no money as a company. And I remember I said to Dave, like, we got to make this shirt. We put the Chicago flag with the bar with the stools, it will sell like hotcakes. And he's like, I don't know. It was back like when shipping shirts took like a month. Yeah. So I went and had three of them handmade and got them to Jay. And Jay warded a press conference. And that was like our first big moment for Barstool Chicago. Yeah, I remember whenever Barstool was kind of up and rolling. And, you know, back then it was more just, you know, the written stuff with like a picture

or video and stuff. And you really got to you. I feel like you really got to feel like whoever was riding the other riding style and stuff. And we would always see even some of the guys when the big cats are doing like this dude is this dude's funny, like he gets it. And then I don't know how we found you. Yeah, I can't remember what the exact connection. I remember I met Chewy in the half time of a Bears game and gave him the shirts. Yeah. And then we started hanging out from there. How did we first track you down? I can't remember. Oh, that's a good question. Fuck. Do you guys remember? Oh, you do? Oh, yeah, Neil. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's right. The charity event. Yes. Yes. Because you we would do your charity event every year. Yeah. And

then that started and it was huge because it's like the starting quarterback for Chicago Bears is wearing our shirt and like a fan of ours. And now was it Greg Olson who got you into Barstool? Because he claims that he could be. Yeah. I think we found it. I'll give him credit. We might have found it kind of similar times, but it was you and like you and Greg. And I'm trying to think there's maybe a couple other but like, you know, Ryan Whitney, like there's basically three or four guys in like the early days who were pro athletes who were like, these guys are funny. Yeah. And it was so fucking huge. Yeah. I mean, you guys took it and just skyrocket. Yeah. And then the cat made a lot of money selling the Cutler shirts and Marlboro cigarettes. Marlboro cigarettes. Did he ever give

you a taste? Did he give you that one? That one got decisted. That one got taken down the Marlboro one. That was a great shirt. I have one. Yeah. You have one. I'll give you some more. I think we did a limited release. We had with the Dicca shirt that he wore to press conference. That was a good one. Yeah. We were and then we, yeah, we became friends and like we were, we would hang out, you know, every once a month. And then, uh, and then I said, I would take Andy Dalton over him on, I had the flu. I was doing, this was back when I had to like really grind. I remember I was, you're playing her. Yeah. You know, it's Ben Finfer was hosting eight to nine PM on ESPN 1000. And they're like, Hey, can you come in? So you're blaming. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. He was like,

can you do this? I was like, it was a point of my career where it's like, you don't say no to anything. Like you tell me where I'll be there. I'm doing it. I was, I was like so sick. I pounded two Red Bulls and a date in two day calls. I mean, look at him. I guess we're jumpsuits and you call the shots and some caller called in and was like, would you take Dalton or a cutler? And Andy was like five years younger and I was like, given everything, I'd probably take Dalton right now, went home, went to sleep, slept till like noon because I was so sick, woke up and there was a bunch of text messages being like, Hey, big cat, way to go, dude. Like you, you're just going to take Dalton over a cutler. Jay never said it. Jay, to his credit, he never was like, fuck you, dude.

It was his, the rest of his crew that are loyal and they're like, what's what's your problem? And that was kind of it for a while. We took a break. Yeah, we went through a break and now we're back. But it was always like, I mean, it was, you know, it's it actually taught me an important lesson too, because it was tough. I think for you too, like we were legitimate friends, but I also had to talk about the bears. And when the bears went through bad times, it was like, I can't, and there's some dark times, right? And I had to, and like, I had, and people always said, I didn't criticize you at all. And I still had to at times. And it was like, it was a tough relationship to have at like some dark times. So Romeo and Juliet story. We're back. Two star crossed lovers.

We're back. We always had a good time together. Yeah, yeah, I like that. That's really romantic. It's good to be back. It feels good. I'll probably be out in like two years again. That's fine. I mean, it goes in cycles. That's right. You're hot and you're cold. Yeah, right. You have to enjoy the ups when they're up. You're right. Did you like the smoke and J Cutler stuff? I didn't mind it. I we never, we never, uh, I don't think we ever really told anyone to stop doing it. People have sold stuff and there's things everywhere. We never really went after anybody. And you went into it with the picture that I took at your 30th birthday party where he's dressed up like a, it was an 80s theme party, right? And that was like, he leaned into it by, by posting,

he posted a picture of him fake smoking a cigarette and like an internet went wild for it. It was a funny meme. I mean, your face is perfect for people. There are a lot of people who think you actually do like smoke two packs a day. I know. Have you ever smoked? No, I'm not smoking all. Really? No, I've ever shopped a cigarette into your ass and that in the naked picture that I kept put online. It's very funny. Why'd you do that? Because I got, I got the caption at Jay Butler and everyone thought that was funny. That's pretty good. That's pretty good. I don't think I don't know. Okay. You write your caption for your ass. That's not my thing though, but I don't see it. Oh, I'm better at writing captions for your own ass than you are. That's not an athletic event.

That's probably, yeah, that's probably true. You don't know. The Olympics are hurting for events. You might add that. I do want to get a team together for the Olympics. They have like, I think it's handball, but it's basically like a little ball that you throw around and then throw into a goal. So it's like soccer, indoor soccer with a ball that you throw. Oh, you should play that. You'd be a good handball player. That would be so sick if you started, if you like, there's a US team, but like, I want to go and do that. Yes, you should. Just throwing missiles. I think if it was you, Patrick Mahomes, and LeBron, just how many players play in handball, like eight on a single time? So it was you three against eight players from any

other country. I think we win. I think we, I guarantee we could put a team together and win gold. Yes. Guarantee. I would absolutely agree with that. Yeah, just, just from pure like arm speed. I don't think the guy is another country. They're just a really big guy as a goalie back there. If you watch it, I mean, I've studied this from time to time. It sounds like you're ready to go. If you watch it, usually all these teams like have an old guy that plays goalie that's just like, he literally, if someone's coming, he just like, just guesses and sometimes hits the ball, sometimes doesn't. All right. So you're in for that. Okay. Let's do, we're doing chronological. So let's go to Super Bowl. Super Bowl also something that feels like a million years ago in Miami. Whoa,

Miami. Yeah. Fuck. Is Miami, it was like the week before the pen deal got announced. It was right before the pandemic got announced. Right before we sold out. Right before the pandemic got announced. Yeah. Yeah. So people were eating bats across the world without even a second thought. We were just happy, go lucky, regular time. Yep. So we have George Kittle who played in the Super Bowl, David Baker, the man, the myth, the legend from the Hall of Fame and Baker Mayfield. Oh, that's kind of funny, huh? Oh, yeah. Baker Mayfields. I like that. David Baker Mayfield. Anything. So yeah, we're not going to Super Bowl this year, right? I don't think so. Well, unless the if the Bears go to Super Bowl, yeah, or the Bills or the Washington football team,

then we're probably probably going to go, but it's going to be weird. It's going to be weird not going to a Super Bowl. It's going to be strange, but it's also probably for the best. Yeah. Dude, that's going to be an awesome week of relative rest and relaxation compared to what we normally do that week. That's true. That is true. All right. So what we normally do that week is a ton of interviews. So here it is, George Kittle, David Baker, Mayfield. Look at that combo. My biggest question to you is who is under more pressure? You or your dad? Because your dad sends you a letter before every game, kind of a try hard move. Yeah. This is the most important letter of his life. Like what? How do you send a Super Bowl letter? What do you write in a Super

Bowl letter? That's his Super Bowl. Yeah, it is. What has he already started it? Oh, yeah, yeah. What are you expecting in this letter? All right. So put in perspective on like a normal game day letter is that's like three to five pages, right? That's not me. But like pictures, double font? No, it's it's big. You know, it's a big font. He throws a lot of pictures in there. It's pop up. Okay. Yeah, it's yeah. You fold it open. Okay. NFC championship game was 10 pages. It was like a full 10. It's like dickens. Do is thick. And so so now it's the Super Bowl. I'm expecting like 15 pages minimum. And what time is it going to give it to you? I get it the night before the game. All right, because I was going to say I would

definitely fall asleep halfway through and I don't read it. I don't read it. I get it to stadium though. Oh, yeah. So are you prepping that? Are you telling everyone like, Hey, coach, I'm going to need a little extra prep time because dad's going to give me like Moby Dick before this. I might get on the early, early bus. Yeah. Yeah, I got to give myself an extra 30 minutes. It would almost make it would be more powerful if he just wrote you like one line of this game. Just like, Oh, don't screw this up. Yeah. You're always no, you're always about the club. No, like you're always a champion in my eyes. Yeah. If you lose, you're out of the family. I don't know if you go that route. I like the other one you said though. Just don't screw this up.

Yeah. No, after I throw him out of the club. Yeah, throw him out of the club. So what are you expecting in this? Like, is he going to make you cry? Yeah. Is that his goal? Like, no, I would assume that it wouldn't be good for you to cry before the Super Bowl. It's like one of those checklists I have before I go on in the field. I do this like it's part of my routine and I don't know the letters just they consist of whether it's, you know, family memories or, you know, movies that we used to watch as a kid when I was growing up. Oh, he's going to kill me. Oh, he's going to make you cry. He pulled a quote from Heldago, which was a movie, you know, do you remember the Viggo Mortensen movie with the horse racing? He like pulled a quote from that.

I was like, dude, come on, man, like that. I watched that one. I was like, 10, really. You're going to make me cry. So what else is on a checklist before a game? You read the letter from your dad. What do you do to mentally and physically? Like, do you have anything else weird that you do? If you honestly want to know, so as soon as we come back in from warm-ups, I go puke. Really? 100% for every game. Every game. That probably makes you feel a little bit better. It does make you feel better. Yeah, I always think I'm like, all right, I'm a step faster now. That's my positive mindset. And then as soon as we're walking out, I put my helmet on and I headbutt a wall as almost as hard as I can. It's good. You have that in the right order.

But so I learned that the first hit is always like hurts the most. So get it out of the way. And then there's no first hit. Yeah, I always felt that way. Playing any sort of contact sport, all the like fear and apprehension you have, kind of goes out the window the first time you get hit because your mind doesn't have time to worry about other stuff. You can just get out of the way. Exactly. Well, just a heads up, you've never played in the Super Bowl, neither have we, but we've watched all of them. It goes really fast. Does it? The speed is crazy in the Super Bowl. So be ready for the speed. Have you played? Have you played in the Super Bowl and Madden? Oh dear, not since probably like 2008.

Maybe that's what you do. Maybe you get like a PlayStation in your hotel room and simulate, like sit down and play a few games just to get used to that game speed. The games get in like the fans and all that, the wellness of the stadium. So it's going to be different. Peck sure it. I just heard you say you just dropped an oh dear and you kind of slipped into the Todd and Gordo. I know you're a big fan. You think that you're Canadian sometimes. We've heard that from some of your teammates. I think there was an article in the ringer that said like sometimes he actually does believe that he's Canadian. Yes. So as Todd and Gordo in your presence, I'd like to maybe like trade off our services. We have an idea of maybe something

we could do to help you. And then I don't think I want to explain that. Then I have a request from you. Yeah, we're going to. So much like your dad writes you an entire book before every single game, you as a fan of Todd and Gordo, we haven't done Todd and Gordo like in like two and a half years. Yeah, I've been pretty disappointed. So and I told you this probably three weeks ago. I was like, if you get to the Super Bowl, we will make a Todd and Gordo hype video. Why do you think I was playing so hard? Yeah. So wait, so should we not release until after the Super Bowl? No, release the second one. Okay. After the Super Bowl hype video before the Super Bowl, we're going to make a special edition Todd and Gordo like one minute Instagram hype video

that you're going to release on your Instagram on like Friday or Saturday. Amen. And it's going to get everyone pumped up. It's easy. Okay. So as our payment for that, what's your bonus if you win the Super Bowl? I don't. There's no chance that I don't like actually even you do you probably don't even have access to your own bank account. Whoa. Partial. Yeah. No, I do that. So I was going to say like, we either get 50% no big deal, just like maybe 50 to 60% Super Bowl bonus. Okay. Or if you win Super Bowl MVP, you get a Todd and Gordo tattoo. Oh, do you have if we inspire you to? Okay. Yeah. So that's no problem. No, no, no, I like the type. Could we do two both? Yes. Yeah, sure. You drive a hard bargain. Yeah, you really are a negotiator. Wait,

do you negotiate your contracts like Richard Sherman? No, no, no, no, no, I'll pay someone to do that. That's probably for the best. What about the reset button that you have on your arm? Is that the Joker? Yeah, no, no, isn't the what was the article said that in that same article, you have a reset button that you hit. And it Oh, it is the Joker. Yeah, I used to have a wrist tape on and I'd put a big red button on it in college. So I'd slap it big. I got it. I've been visualized. Yeah, yeah. So you don't do that anymore. You don't have the you just do the Joker Joker, reset yourself. I just want to really quickly go back to how the actual selection goes down because I think it's fascinating. So you guys are all in a room. It's 50 people, right?

48, 48 elite selectors, elite selectors. And you have people come up make the case. So you whittle it down from a pool of how many to chicken really every year. This is a different because it's the centennial year and we're having 20 for 2020. But you know, most years, it'll be 18 finalists. Okay, you know, generally, that's a senior and contributors that make up three. And then it is players and coaches who make up the other 15 finalists, right? And the seniors and coaches, you know, kind of go out on their own. And then when we get to that 15, you go from 15 to 10. And then you kind of whittle it down to five. And now what is that room like? Are people arguing? Is it the greatest sports debate of all time? Like Peter King complaining about the coffee?

Yeah, it seems like a fascinating place to be. Well, listen, we've learned a long time ago, the way to get elite media there is food. Yes. Okay, so I mean, it's for you guys here today. I appreciate that. I know. But no, I think it's it's one of those things. PFT where Peter King told me that he does a ton of 20 interviews all year round, just to prepare for that one day. And we've got guys like John Clayton and Saul Palantone and Jared Bell from USA Today. And these guys take it. I wish fans could see how seriously they take it. And most of them say that it's the most important day of their year. Well, knowing how much NFL fans love the NFL, I think we should probably put it in like the middle of April and make it a TV show.

Well, listen, we, you know, we watch it. Times endorsement where they had the whole editorial board sit down, they put it down. That would make a very good watch the whole day. Well, yeah, I'll tell you, there's things that we're looking at in the future that might be a little bit different. Right. But I will tell you, these guys, you know, I didn't get this job just because I'm smart and good looking. I got a 400 pounds and you need a big guy who to run this meeting. No one's going to give any back talk. You literally have the best knock of all time. I think that was really just the resume, right? Well, they just took a piece of wood and they're like, here, knock on

this. Do you mind knocking on this table right now? Absolutely. That's why you got the job. Okay. Yeah. But you know, let me tell you, we've got to be done by a certain time because we announce our guys live to the world really in the middle, the kind of the high point of the honor show. Right. And so we got to move. And but it'll take, you know, many times that I've been here, it's taken 10, 12 hours for the blue ribbon committee that selected this Centennial class. You know, they met together for about 21 hours. Wow. And guys are passionate about it. And one of the things I'd love for, I can't share what goes on in that room or what's said, but I can tell you that good stuff, bad stuff. Right. I mean, the guys really get into it.

You have to have an honest conversation. And that's why it's confidential. So that guys can share stuff and bounce it off. But I do think it's when you make it into the Hall of Fame, you have gone under an incredible level of scrutiny by a whole lot of people who are experts at doing it. Yes. What's interesting is that, you know, you've got the Centennial people that are getting in right now. Can you expand the class a little bit? I think as the years move forward, you're going to run into a lot of log jams along the way because of how the game has grown in the media. It's expanded so much that people are way more familiar with players that played in the early 2000s, late 2000s, up to the modern day. Then they were even with guys

that played in the mid 90s. Those guys are, you know, since TV rights weren't ubiquitous, they weren't everywhere. You couldn't watch them on every single bar. Those guys are in danger of kind of falling by the wayside, even though they had great careers. Is there something that you guys have planned going forward where you make sure that there are some spots in perpetuity for the older players? PFT. That's really what the Centennial class was about. You know, I mean, this year we have 10 seniors in that class and you may not know Max Speedy or Bobby Dillon or Duke Slater. But Duke Slater was an African American who played for 10 years on the NFL from 1920 to 1930. Now, let me tell you, you better be a good player at that time, you know,

to play in the NFL during that time. A great player. And so we have our senior committee and our senior committee meets all by itself a lot of time. And it's to find guys who may have fallen between the cracks. Right. And then we have our contributors committee because the league isn't just those guys who are on the field. It's those guys who were owners who paid for payroll out of their kids college fund because they had to make it or those general managers who put these teams together or a great guy like Steve Sable. I mean, you guys are a little young. No, no, no, he's a big part of the reason why we got in the game. I'll tell you, I fell in love with this because of Steve Sable. It wasn't just the score. All of a sudden it was the frozen tundra of Lend

Rowfield and that clot of grass coming out of your face mask in a horrible you're right. To me, that showed you the determination, right? And the character of things. And then we're looking at a special category just for coaches because sometimes, you know, for a lot of modern era guys and one of the things the Hall of Fame does that's pretty cool is you got to wait five years after your retire to be considered. So if Tom Brady or Drew Brees, you know, was to retire now or Eli Manning retired just the other day, there's five years from now before he's eligible for the Pro Football Hall of Fame. And I think that's a pretty smart move because it gives perspective that allows time for history to settle and to go into it. But it's a very difficult process. It is, you know,

with so many media outlets like yourself with, you know, the cell phone and, you know, Brett Farve on the internet, it is there's an opinion everywhere. And it's extremely controversial. But what I would say is it should be hard to make it into the Hall of Fame. Yeah, absolutely. It's not the Hall of Very, Very Good. People forget that. I love it. I want to be your position. I want to be the president of the Hall of Very Good. What steps do you recommend I take to achieve that dream? You know what, PFT, I'll tell you, you know, you to me, and I've only known you here for maybe, you know, 20 minutes, but I would tell you, you excel at mediocrity. Whoa, that's nice. That is a big compliment I've ever gotten in my life. Not everyone can do that. I got butterflies

in my stomach. You're on your way. Absolutely. You're on your way. Can we talk about you for a second? Knock on my own door. Congratulations, PFT. Thank you, PFT. You didn't play football because you were, quote, too literally too big to play football. Yeah. What does that mean? You were a great basketball player. You played in college, you played in pros. Where I grew up, they weighed you to play football as a kid. Okay. Okay. And then, you know, when I was eight or 10 years old, you know, I was about PFT side. And they would have put me in with, you know, with 15-year-olds. Right. But we kind of corrected this in the next generation with both my kids. Right. You know, Sam played in the NFL and he was a three-time All-American ASC and Ben played both in high

school and Summit Duke. And, but I've always loved football the most. Yeah, I love basketball. Yeah. Basketball got me to college. Right. And for me, it's important because we all come from someplace. Yeah. You know, for me, my mom and dad couldn't read or write. And if it wasn't for sports, I wouldn't have gone to college. I wouldn't have gone to law school, had the opportunity to play around the world. And I certainly wouldn't be sitting with guys like you here. Which is probably a downgrade. Yep. And you know, we're sitting in a pretty special place. I love that story, though, because you are, you know, the guy who's basically in charge of the history of the game. You're the president and CEO of the Hall of Fame. And you love football from everything I've read

more than pretty much anyone who's ever walked this earth. And you didn't play. But that almost is like poetic and perfect because that's how much you love it. You know, that's kind. And I appreciate it. I do love it. And again, what I love about sports, and this may be a serious topic for you guys, but what I'll tell you, what I care about it is there are so many lessons you can learn from sports. You know, my guys on the Pro Football Hall of Fame, in terms of race, they were way ahead of the curve. And they care about each other and they love each other. We just lost Crystal on the last night. And you should see my phone with blowing up from the Hall of Famers. And there's something about that huddle, you know, that, you know, when I was

cheering for my son at USC and we'd go to Notre Dame, we'd take 15,000 Trojans with us. But let me tell you, you go to Lambeau Field and you're in Atlanta Falcon. You're lucky if there's 50 Falcon Trojans in there. But you get into that huddle. And that huddling, when you get in the huddle, nobody says, hey, you're Republican or Democrat. Hey, before we do this, you know, what's your position on social change? You know, frankly, the only thing that matters is me trusting you, you trusting me, the color of our uniform, not the color of our skin. And that is just one thin sliver of this. And what I love about this, and again, I'm probably getting way too serious for you guys. But what I love about this and the job I get to do is, yeah, I got the greatest job

in the world because I'm hanging with some of the best football players in the world. But I've learned that there are pretty good people too. And the game isn't just for those guys who have a bronze bust or those guys who got paid for it like my son. The game is for guys who become firemen and soldiers and police officers and fathers. And yeah, I believe these principles and a whole lot of dedicated coaches who taught them. My son who played in the NFL is now coach in high school. And he doesn't need to. He made a lot of money, standing on the shoulders of these other guys, and he'd be the first one to say it. But what he wants to do, he wants to have an impact in the lives of some kids the way other coaches had an impact on him. And respectfully, when your life

is screwed up, and every one of us are at some point, okay, when your life is screwed up, you don't go back to your chemistry teacher, your calculus teacher for life advice. But I'll tell you, almost all of us go back to that coach. And I really believe Big Cat that it's because that coach teaches you how to keep going when you don't think you can or how to get up when you can. So I love this because there's so it's it's great football and man, I love football. But I don't love it as much as John Madden does. Yeah, or some of the other guys that I've been with. I mean, that's how they, you know, Bill Belichick, Bill Belichick was on our blue ribbon committee. Okay. And he said it was one of the best days of his career. This guy with eight rings,

you know, talking about, you know, being at the Hall of Fame on that day, making history by selecting the Centennial class. These guys love the game. Right. And to me, it's, it's, it's a fun game to be with your friends to scream and yell to cheer for your team to drink a beer. But there's so many wonderful lessons in it. And it's done. It's done a lot for me sports has done a lot for me. It's done a lot for my two boys. Right. And I hope that I and we can give back to it. And now for something completely different. I noticed that you're going on get up tomorrow morning. So it's a good cast tomorrow morning. Yeah, a lot of people that really like me. Yeah, so especially Rex Ryan, yeah, on get up tomorrow. Do you think he's going to wear orange and brown?

He probably will to try to like diffuse the situation with it, but don't fall for that. Nope. No, don't fall for it. Can I give you like some things that you can use? I would love to hear. I mean, you're a quick guy. So I'm sure that you've you're going to be prepared going into it. If he starts talking about your season, say, I'd say that you really put your foot in your mouth, but you'd probably enjoy that. Got him. Boom roasted. I don't think you can come back from that. No, if you say that it's over. You just walk off. You can just walk off like it's an N1 mixtape. Yeah, shows over. That's a good one. Yeah. Not that was my best material. I think that's all I need. The problem that I had was the willingness and commitment to continue talking to

people that didn't matter. That was my biggest issue. And I know people talked about the chip on your shoulder and I said it a million times in the league. They don't care about a chip on your shoulder. It's grown men. What did you what did you learn about the dynamics of the NFL that you couldn't translate that kind of M.O. from college? It's a humbling experience. Yeah, I mean, let's just be honest. I put my foot in my mouth a lot this past year. You're not even the best coach in your family. Yeah, like Rob is a better or you know, and he looks and he's a better looking guy. He's got better hair. Yeah, absolutely the better hair part. Yes, you can also do just the casual. Hey Rex, it looks like you lost weight knowing he didn't. So it's like what the hell?

Like I'm still really fat. Yeah, like that's a great one. That always hurts my feelings when people say that to me and I haven't lost weight. You do look good though. Thank you. That hurt my feelings. I'm dealing with a bad picture right now of my right breast that has been going around the internet. Whatever it's you know, bad timing, shadows, everything like it's a whole lighting. Yeah, right. And he did get off a plane like two days ago. So again, the voting right, right. Okay, moving along in the calendar. Combine Indy. Another thing we'll probably miss this year sucks. Yeah, I mean the combine I think they're just going to hold it remotely. Yeah, this is going to be a great season for lying about your height. If you're a player, oh yeah, you can get away with

murder. Yes. And also just like doing the frozen face. If they ask you something like hey, is your mom a stripper? Yeah. And you just like what? You cut out. Was it Jeff Ireland? Hey, Des Bryant, your mom's a hooker, right? Yeah, right. Yeah. But yeah, the combine is going to be really strange this year. I think it's going to be all done on Zoom. But if you were to put money on it, I would put money that the coaches are still going to go to Indy and just get drunk for a week. Yes, absolutely. That's really weird to know. It's Disney World for Scouts. Yeah, they absolutely, they probably are like tell their wives and kids like you got to get out of the house because we're just going to treat this like it is. What is it? What are the stakes? Prime 57 and St. Elmo's.

St. Elmo's. He's going to be doing rails of Wasabi. So all right, so we have Adam Schefter, which was the assault. It was the first time we'd seen him since the assault. And then we have Mike Vrabel talking to him about the combine to play off run the Titans had and a lot more before we get to that though, PFT. Yeah, I do. I want everybody out there. If you can hear my voice, I want you to be safe this holiday season. I want you to get home safe. I want you to be able to drive around without getting in trouble with the law. I want everybody to be happy this holiday season. If you're on break, just remember that law enforcement is out from December 16, 2020, through January 1, 2021, they're increasing enforcement on impaired drivers. This coming

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Assault. Assault, we're off. I figured we'd start there. I mean, it's been on my mind. I was actually thinking about this before you got here. If I could sit down and talk to anyone regarding that situation, I wouldn't talk to Miles Garrett. I wouldn't talk to Mason Rudolph and say, hey, how'd that feel? Not the pounces, not Baker. I just want to know Adam Schefter. Assault. What was it that night? Battery. It was battery. It was battery. The reason why, because it's actual harm. But were you as a, were you as upset as you watch that as the assault tweet made me think? No, basically you're watching it. And the only thing I could think of is he just assaulted that guy. Assault. He assaulted him. So assault. It's assault.

Can you say that again? Perfect. He assaulted him. No, no, no, no, no. He just said it. With a little animation. Yeah. Assault. Assault. It was assault. That's going to beep that into. Absolutely. Did you think after, I think the period is what really said it over the top to assault period. It just something about it. That tweet might be my favorite tweet from 2019. You know, the funny thing is I haven't seen it show up anywhere since then. Like nobody's tweeted at me. The first time that anybody's brought that up since then. It is great. Like you can, you can apply the tweet assault to just about anything that happens online. Anytime someone ducks on Ravel, assault is just a great reply to it. It's, it's, it's

like something you always need to have in your back pocket. Right. And credit to you. I think that five years ago, Adam Schefter probably wouldn't have had fun with it, but you did right away. You kind of took the piss out of it, which was great because then it makes it funnier where it's like, yeah, it's assault. Well, period. Again, I've been through this enough to know that it's not going to go away, that it's going to follow me around. And so now we'll just have to come up with something again in the future, whatever that may be, right to supplant assault assault. Yeah, it'll happen naturally at some point. So organically in the aftermath of the assault. Yeah. I personally like the male game.

But after the assault, I was, I was very well connected in certain league circles. And I heard that there were rumors that there may have been some tapes out there. You're a big, the tapes exist guy. Oh, we'll get to that. We'll get to that again in a second. But did you also hear the same rumors that there were tapes of what was said on the field just prior to the assault? I've never heard anything like that. I've never heard the tapes. I don't know that those tapes exist. And there are a wide array of opinions about what didn't didn't happen that night. And I don't, I don't think we'll ever know what didn't didn't happen. I mean, it's amazing to me that Miles Garrett says this, says he heard it. And Mason Rudolph is

vehement in his denials and he's defended by his coach. And you've got people sticking up for him. So who's right? Right. Now, so in terms of Miles Garrett going forward, I keep believe we're still doing Miles Garrett and Mason Rudolph in this whole assault thing. Yeah, I mean, it was a assault. It was quite a night. I'm so glad I didn't go to bed before that. Well, that's the funny thing is I actually did. Oh, so you woke up and that was the first thing you thought. That even makes it better. And I go, that's assault. That's assault. You're like one of those precogs in Minority Report. You were asleep in your pool. And you're like, wait, there's a crime that's about to happen. Like, like you're dozing off. I was dozing off. I was

watching it. There's a TV in my closet. And my what? Yeah, this is true. So yeah, so basically she was she watches her show, I go into my little closet with a little TV. And I watch there's a football and oftentimes to be perfectly frank, I'll be sitting in my chair, and I'm watching the screen and and I just kind of doze off and I happen to doze off and I woke up and I'm like, what the what the heck just happened? So you're watching this in your closet. Yeah. In a tiny TV woke up assault. So that's that's so much better. So much better. That's so much color. Yeah. And it's also like you I that this is obviously going to be very something that's not relatable to like the wider audience. But in terms of content creators, there's nothing worse

than when you wake up and something big has happened. And you're like, wait, what? I slept through Kevin Ware's leg injury. I literally took a nap during it and woke up. Are you okay? And yeah, I'm not okay. But time froze. I woke up and I was like, why is there no time on like, why has there only been 30 30 seconds that have gone by and I've been asleep for 30 minutes. And then I realized Kevin Ware, the whole injury, but that is the worst feeling waking up and be like, what just happened? You're like jolted away. Yeah. Right. That's that's that's a sensory assault. Right. Exactly. That's a big time. So people live life on the West Coast as they wake up and it's noon on the East Coast. And they've already missed who knows how many examples of

assault. That's that's one of the challenging parts of being on the West Coast. Like either you're getting up late, like you can't even imagine like the world is going on. Right. Stock markets crash. You would freak if you lived on the West Coast. Well, it'd be a different deal. Like you free. Yeah. I don't know. I could live there. No, you would you would be freaking. Yeah, we were lucky enough that I had bet the second half of that game. So that's why we were still watching. And I was like, Oh my God, this they could still score like a backdoor cover or something. And then assault happened. You just mentioned something that I want to do a follow question. What's your favorite real house wise?

Well, I like I watch the New York one. I watch New Jersey, New Jersey. Do you like Bethany? I do like Bethany. I don't like you then. You know, she got divorced from the count is the count and she still calls herself a countess. No, that's not Bethany. Oh, God. Oh, Bethany. Margarita girl. Yeah. Do you like Lou Ann? Sorry, that's what I meant. I think Lou Ann likes herself. All right. All right. All right. So you're New York and New Jersey. That's kind of me sometimes throwing a little OC, but they're firing all the all the women out there. So it's going to be weird. New Jersey, New York. Yeah, Bethany. Yeah, she the guy she

got divorced from on TV. He seemed like like the nicest kind of world. Yeah, they don't. I mean, that's crazy that a reality television show didn't really show like the person's true personality one way or the other. Oh, I can't believe it's not all legit. It's not like everything that happens in the real world is it's real. That's why they call it the real world. I don't know about that guy, but I the five minutes I saw him in a heavily edited program. I think he was a good guy. Okay, we now welcome on recurring guest and very good friend of the program. It is coach. I call him coach. It's like Ray Braves. He gets mad when I call him coach. It's like UI manning. I was like congrats, man. What a career unbelievable, phenomenal. He's like, thank you, coach. And I'm

like, Eli, like cut the bullshit. Can we just go with Braves? He goes, Yes, sir. Eli story. Are you mad at Eli at all about the Super Bowl? No, I mean, that's that's sports. That team got better. You know, that's that's a great example of a team that was a wild card that played us very tight at the end of the year last game. And they improved to their credit. They were playing the best football at the end of the year. That's a great message to not only my team, but a lot of people. Is he a Hall of Famer? You know, I don't I don't vote for the Hall of Fame, but I mean, I really try not to focus on Hall of Fame and this and that the guy played really well in big games. Okay, so he is. Yes, or he isn't. I played very well in big games. So he is. I mean,

if you guys got to vote, would you vote? Well, it's not the hall very good. And he was very great. Don't hide behind those glasses. But you can do the line. You want me to go raw dog? No, no, don't do that. We'll all blow up. All right. So I like that you're committed to the Vest game, by the way, even when you're not a team issue. That's it. So you're talking about the Giants. Your team obviously didn't get all the way to Super Bowl, but there was a little bit of that like peeking at the right time last year. Are you were you after the season over? Could you have a moment where you're like, man, that was really good. Like we it was. And I tried to tell our team that I think they were frustrated and everybody was disappointed that we weren't going

to be able to play for a championship. But I was proud of the way that they continue to improve from where we were the early part of the season. And we did we were playing our best football late. But I think they also realized and everybody did that that's a tough road to go down a four straight road, road playoff games is essentially what we did was Houston, New England, Baltimore, Kansas City. And that's not the way that's not the recipe to win a championship. We're going to have to play well enough during the season to be able to host some of those games. Yeah. So during the start of that playoff run, you guys play against New England. That was a great game. Before the game, you played was it catch me if you can, like a clip as like a motivational. So I always

enjoy that movie. What Frank Abagnale, Jr. And the dad, you know, is in debt and he needs to get alone and he pulls his son up in this Cadillac and they're in these nice suits. And young Frank doesn't understand what they're doing. And his dad's like, we're going to act like we have money. And this bank manager is going to walk out here and he's going to open the door for us. And Frank still figuring all this out. And then he says, you know, why the Yankees always win? He said, because they have Mickey Manley says no, because everybody's always staring at the pinstripes. And I kind of like it. And just a nice message to be like, there's going to be when we get there and we go out on the field, there's going to be six banners that say world champion. Boom, boom,

boom. Like that's not going to determine the game was my only point was like, let's not stare up at the banners and worry about what they've done. We got to go try to compete with them. That's like Hoosiers measuring the hoop. No, the same difference. 10, 10 feet. Same thing. Ali getting on. Come on. 10 feet all time moment. I was going to go call my dad and yeah, cry right. Yeah, let's do it. You probably knew all the tricks that Belichick was going to pull out like putting the giant thermometers in the hallways letting you know that it's actually like 10 degrees colder than you think that it is. Just keeping everybody updated on the weather report. Yeah. All right. So let's talk about the tricks when you guys, when you basically became a time traveler in that game.

How long had you known that that loophole was there and for a while, it's just unfortunate that we were never in a situation to use it. You have to be ahead in the fourth quarter, right? In that situation with the clock running outside of five minutes and whatever the league chooses to do, we're going to play by the rules that they give us and that was available to us. Were you, when you like saw the situation and it first click like, oh, here we go, like I'm about to time travel. Well, I think you just try to, especially to Belichick. You know, I think what you try to do is try to anticipate what the situations in the game can be. You were excited. Don't give me coach speak. Well, no, I'm just trying to say like,

it's not like spur of a moment. It's like, okay, depending on what happens here, like, are we going to go for it? You hit the, and then we had a penalty. So it was like, you did the rainbow road shortcut. You just jumped past like, you know, half of the track. Right. It was, it's something that we felt like it helped us win the game as coach speak as I could possibly be whether whoever was on the other sideline, we would have executed that situation. In that moment, though, as it was happening, as you were time traveling, were you trying hard not to smile because you knew how cool it was? No, I mean, I think that I've realized I've gotten good at being able to vomit and puke in my mouth about showing when bad things happen.

So I try to do the same thing when good things happen is just try to stay, keep my composure. Okay. So after the game, after that game, you had some fun with Tom Brady's hyenas video. Do you think that's going to hurt your recruitment of him? I thought that was actually a great compliment to our football team because that's who I think we want to be is these animals that hunt and travel in packs and are competitive, vicious. And I think that's how we try to approach our game and our preparation. All right. Well, so we just did Adam Shepter and Mike Vrabel and what happened after the combine? Well, shit kind of fell apart. I remember vividly to watching the last game I watched that

I can remember is Wisconsin versus Indiana, Wisconsin winning a share of the Big Ten and being like, I can't wait for the tournament. And then all the tournaments were canceled. Yeah. Well, no, Gonzaga won. Gonzaga won their tournament. That happened. Duke lost. Duke did not qualify for the NCAA. There's a couple other tournaments I think that actually took place. I think they played one game in the Big East. Yeah, I went to that one. Yeah, one half of a game. No, they played one full game. The second round, they played one half. Yeah. I think it was St. John's and Georgetown were like, fuck it, we're playing. Yeah. Chris Mullin was out there like, I will punch the coronavirus in the face if I see it. Florida State counted themselves to win.

Yeah. Actually, they played a round of the ACC as well, because I'm pretty sure NC, UNC lost, and I had a future on them. And then it was like, couldn't they have just not played? Yeah. And then the world just stopped all of a sudden. And I said, I would inject myself with COVID, but whatever, we'll put that clip in there. PFT, I'm going to say something that I may, at some point, regret, but I'm going to say it anyway. Permission to go there, granted. If they cancel and they, I don't even know who decides this. They, big time, they Obama, big they, if they cancel March Madness, I'm not talking about play it with no fans, which would make it significantly less fun. But still, we can watch it if they cancel it outright cancel it.

I will get coronavirus the next day. Wow. I will get coronavirus because I do not want to be healthy in a world where March Madness does not exist. Yeah, it happened. When we get the, the vaccine, I will take it right away. I'll do it on it. We'll do a live stream of us taking that would technically count as injecting yourself with coronavirus. If you got the one that is the live, I'll get them all. I will get every single one. Yeah. We'll do it on live stream so that the public knows that it's okay to get the vaccine. Yeah. Yeah. We'll do that. We'll do that for the people. All right. So that means that we get to skip to the front of the line. Correct. We're central. That's just, that's a coincidence. We did not plan that. I did have

a moment where I was like, are we essential? No. Okay. I think podcasts are the most essential business in the world. One second. It's like us first and then the people who actually make the vaccine. Well, I should get it before them. I was like, wait, we're not hospital workers. We're not frontline workers, but are we essential? In a way, we are on the front line. Yeah. I mean, we're, we are the, there are first responders right now. We're listening to this podcast. I mean, we, we have second responders. We make the economy go right with the amount of seamless that we order. Yes. Absolutely. So, uh, we have our COVID special. So it's, uh, talking about coronavirus before it actually happened. Dungeons and Dragons, love is blind. Remember love is blind. Remember

Mestica? Mestica. Oh my God. I hope she's doing well. Yeah. I do too. Blake Griffin winning the Blake of the Year, Horace Grant for the last dance and Barbara Corcoran. So this is a full COVID, what happened in those six months, uh, mashup. So get ready for that. Probably a million interviews that we did during COVID when we were on zoom, that I just don't remember that put out. But like, remember we interviewed LaVar Ball? I did not do that. You remember we interviewed, uh, Jack, what's his name? Jack Pound? Dick Pound. Dick Pound. Dick Pound from the National Olympic Committee. Yeah, there's a lot. We interviewed Mark from love is blind. Yeah, that's, that's true. Remember that? Yes. Jesus Christ. All right. So here's our COVID special.

Uh, uh, part of my take. Weird you. Yeah. Okay, it is that time again, we have our very, very good friend Tim Woods back. How do we start? In theory, I would start by first of all, just highlighting who your characters are. And I know we didn't do this last time, but in theory, you can come up with a name for your character and decide as much backstory for them as you want. New players. I never worry too much about that because we're going to be learning who these characters are together. But I'll say generally you would pick your character. And what we could do is we had some great character selections last time. We had a barbarian, a bard and a warlock. That's a great group. We can pick those same characters again,

if we want, or we could pick different characters like a different fighty type, a different spell caster. We didn't, we don't have, well, the bard is kind of a sneaky, still a skill based character. So we have a lot of the best characters we could get was a anyone. Uh, and I'll say, I always say there's four different categories, the fighty types, the spell casters, the healers, and the sneaky skill based characters. Was anyone interested in hearing about them or did they just want to grab their own character? I personally feel like we should run back our characters and add Billy to the crew. Yes. So I, so, all right. So I'd be, I'm a barbarian. I'm a bar and tank is a warlock. So then Billy. Is that like Gimli from Game of Thrones? Is that Warlocks? I mean,

Lord of the Rings. Lord of the Rings. Absolutely. So Gimli, the dwarf would kind of be like a barbarian or maybe a fighter, a big, big bruiser. However, there is a classic archetype of the dwarven cleric, the dwarf who follows the God of Moradin and that kind of dwarf is more of a healer, let's say. Okay. Gimli would have. Can my bard also be a dwarf? Uh, you or bard can be any race you want it to be. If you want to be a dwarf, absolutely. Okay. So making a little note of that. So what is the fourth category? Yeah, make it, make sure you really write it down. Very short. Five, five, six. Yeah. Super short. So what is the fourth category that we don't have now? So we have a barbarian, a bard in a, in a warlock. What's the fourth category we don't have?

In theory, the healer types would be the ones that you don't have yet. So I mentioned the cleric and that would be the fourth kind of perfect niche that you'd be filling right now. So the warlock's kind of your spellcaster, the cleric is your healer, the barbarian is your big fighty type, and the bard would be kind of the more skill based, the talkative, the face. Also the barbarian is like 20 pounds overweight. Can you write that down? No, I've lost a little bit of weight. Just write that part down. So the barbarian shaved too early in his facelift. That's true. So, all right. So the, the, Billy's going to be a cleric. Absolutely. A dwarven cleric, I assume, or you can be a human. No, he's going to be a giant cleric. Can he be a giant cleric? Yeah.

There is a race called Goliaths who are like half giants. They're not quite full giants. They're playable, but you, you can be a big type of like, and you grow rock out of your like head. Like and cool tattoos. So that's interesting to me because if you're a Goliath cleric, then actually you worship the Goliath gods and I'll admit, I don't know a thing about them. So we get to get pretty creative. Okay. So also, Tim, we should mention that um, PFT, uh, Wayne and Erlich. Yes. Uh, they just played in a seven game series in ping pong and there's a lot of tension in the room. I am tension free. I feel great. No, you're not tension free. I feel great if I got awarded a free bogus point in game. It may spill over a

little into this game. I just want you to know, and also there's tension between me and berserker Billy because he's a fucking idiot and it drives me nuts. But here we are. Uh, I think you might I can't remember. Did you say you watched any sports? I've watched a little bit. Okay. All right. But you saw me throw there. You would say that's better than a division three quarterback. That's like a division one quarterback. Right. I would say definitely at least division two we're talking. Okay. All right. All right. Good. Good. That could 23. However, I'd say with the 23 that felt like a division one. Yes. Yeah, baby. Definitely a lot better than a division three wide receiver. Yeah. Great throw. That was a great throw. Here we go. Insight 18. I got the hot hand.

Yeah. Can I put a spell on earlick to make him super comfortable? Essentially, we're worried about the dragon. He's got a lead on me. Yeah. Shouldn't make him think he can read. Shouldn't we be focused on the dragon, Tim? No, I think we need to take out this dragon. Hank, you're the you're a best weapon that we have. Yeah. If you roll any wisdom based skills like perception or insight. Can I can I use my turn? Can I ask a question? Can I ask a question? Earlick appreciate your way of your turn. Earlick have enough wisdom to figure out if this dragon, like can he see in the future? Will he be able to see if like this dragon is just going to leave? The dragon is taking a back like a cat. He rears back for a moment like, whoa, what are you doing?

Eyes widened and then in anger, her eyes narrow and she snaps at you to bite you. Oh, I forgot to ask. I'll give you a chance. What do you say to her? I'd be like, I just want I just want to grant you freedom in a life free from servitude. Do you just assume that like every woman that you run into is dominated by somebody else? And well, obviously, you Billy's basically just walked up and was like, Hey, is this guy bothering you to me? Like he's a jerk. Yeah. Billy literally commanded this dragon to come over with a beam of light. And he's like, Hey, can I free you from whoever made you come here? Yeah, dude, let's just try to heal the dragon and get so that we can ride around on the dragon.

Billy, come on. So she just the dragon bit you because you tried to kiss it. Yeah, it doesn't want your advances. But but she's playing hard to get. No, Billy, she's made she tried to kill nose. No means no. All right, Billy, do not try to fuck this dragon. I want to ride it. Don't jump. No, Billy, like we gotta get rid of this dragon. We're better just ride the dragon. Dude, we're all trying to beat the dragon. You're trying to fuck it. And it's not working. All right, here we go. Here's the first roll seven. Let's do the second roll. 20! That dragon's my bitch! And two things happen. First of all, you said you were trying to fly this dragon away from here, right? Or do you mean away? Just somewhere he can go with and have some private time.

Let's take it back to his place. Take it to like an hourly rate hotel. He wants to be like, hey, babe, you want to get out of here? The dragon is letting out a roar. Forget this village! He takes off into the air and all the cultists are like, yeah, let it on. And then they see her with you on her head fly away from the village. Oh, no, what's going on? And then, and this will be the cliffhanger. As you're flying away, Linda, she shakes her head left. She takes her head right. And then finally she says, all right, little rock man, let's talk you and I. What do you want? With a critical hit, you think this dragon is willing to maybe become friends with you. Dude, I'm so happy I told you to do that all along. So we'll catch up.

Like last night was a movie. First, he introduces himself. He extends a gauntleted hand and he flips up his visor and you see this guy is definitely built. He's a strong looking older dude. And he extends ahead and he says, Sir, Sir, Sir Orgerton, Sir Orgerton, pleasure to meet you. You can just call me sir. Oh, sir. Oh, it's a pleasure to meet you. I'm taking command of this whole situation and I'm seeing a lot of cultists outside here right now. This is coach. Oh, this is coach. Oh, this is coach. Oh, we got to ask. We met coach. Oh, yeah. Dungeons and Dragons. Yeah. So Jake asked a question, right? Seems like sir. Oh, yeah. What do you want? I mean, you you're you're a journalist. Come on. Yeah. So coach. Oh, coming off that big title. Ask him a question about D&D,

though. There's no time for that. No time for my I have an illustrious career. I've done a great job. All of my work. And they've got prisoners and I know some information about this cult. All right. He's got a game plan. Find out what is just trying to do a like talk about the game. Yeah. Yeah. Come on. Come on. Let's reframe this. Yeah. This is a pregame interview. So let's find out what his tactics are for his plan of attack. Get some bullets and board material, Jake. All right. What are you? What are your opponent's biggest weaknesses? Good, Jake. He says, well, you got rid of the dragon. That was the number one thing. We're really glad you got rid of that dragon. I see it flying away. Perfect. This is great. And any any gestures

it is insignia and you can tell it's some kind of a strange cat on his shoulder. Can't tell exactly what he goes. Go ligers. Go ligers to find out what happens next. The last, you know, in theory at the end of initiative, turn still has to go berserker Billy. The cult is fleeing and then Lennathon the dragon looks back at you and says, haha, this was fun. What should we do next? And she's willing to hear you out on whatever you suggest next. So why don't we build a town to like the sickest play place ever? Like a medieval David Buster. Yeah. The arrows and shit. So who wants to live here? Were you threatening us? Yeah, I'm fucking threatening you. I got a dragon. Fuck you, Billy. No, no. Who are you? Who wants to live? It's my fucking castle. All right. I say

I would like to ask the dragon, yo, do you want to just take over this castle and torture my boss? Who's gonna piss me off? Go ahead and roll a persuasion check. You're rolling two times and taking the higher number. You have advantage. Yeah, who's gonna commit treason and who's strong now? Who's strong now? Go ahead. Roll, bitch. One, seven, seven. Go ahead. Now do the same thing as one. Do the next one. Here comes a one. Oh, you're fucked, boys. Is it a critical hit? Yeah, 19. Humans hate magical creatures. I hate you. No, yeah, you better live. Billy, you better kill it. I have the power here, right? I'm the captain now. For right now, come at the king, you best not miss. I have the power here, Billy. This is the magical world.

I have the power. Yeah, I know who's on the dragon. You better kill all three of us. Otherwise, you're fucked. Also, Billy, what you have to understand is this dragon right now, it doesn't give a shit about your small little games. No, no, no, no. This dragon's gonna leave your ass. Go ahead, Billy. Do your thing. Go with your girlfriend and destroy what we've built together. Yeah, go ahead. No, no, this one was saying. That's fine. You better kill all of us. You need it. It sounds like with a two that Berserker, Billy, rolled. He had a plus four on this. So what you need is a six or higher and you have a plus five on this one. I think you got this one, big cat. So here's the thing. I'll be very clear about this. Something crazy always happens if you

get a one. So if you get a one, you still grab Berserker, Billy, but the dragon takes off with both of you. Oh, wait, well, because of that bad roll, one way or another, Berserker, Billy, you were hanging a little low on this. All right. So here we go. He's a bad roll, Billy. Grab you in some way. What happens on a two? Here comes the roll, Billy. You die on a two. 18. I think that's enough. I think he jumps too far. You jump up. You are, since you rolled well, getting exactly where you want to get to. And you are grabbing Berserker, Billy, and tackling him off the dragon's back. The dragon takes off, looks down at you, and I will give one roll, then looks at you, Berserker, Billy, and just shakes her head and flies her head to the south

where the cultists seem to be fleeing towards. And all of the army with the dragon seems to be flying to the south, but you do see, to be fair for all your critical hits, the dragon look back once at you, looking sad. And then again, like, I shouldn't have done that. I feel bad. You know, I forget it. And then she keeps flying, but she did have a reservation. Okay. She's going to go have brunch with her dragon friends tomorrow and be like, you'll never believe the worst date I just had. Okay. So I'm really in a no-win situation. Really? Yeah. Is there any sort of like... Almost like a situation that you made yourself when you tried to kill us. Well, I thought, well, you know what? I'm going to, is there any way I

can use the side? You thought we were going to take your side in fighting ourselves? Let's just remind people that Billy on the last episode tried to kill us. This is not unprovoked. I just try to kill Norm because I want to show I'm the strong one. It was the start of a battle against everybody. I have no beef with you. You thought I was just going to let my man sit out there and get attacked? Come on, dude. Well, he hasn't been the best to all of us. I think he's been pretty good. The only person I've been mean to is you because you're weak. Norm the Barbarian, you now have the Berserker rage ability where you can now swing two times just like Berserker Billy used to be, except you can do it every turn as much as you want. Just to clarify,

I'm stronger than Billy. I now have the only thing that he brought to the table, and he's still very much dead. And he's still very much dead right now. Okay, just wanted to make sure that that was all clear. Absolutely. And you are now a Berserker Barbarian with a lot of hit points. 13 and the Griffin has a plus five and actually has advantage. You're all one more time on this. So far you got an 18. So we're going to go with the original role, the 18. It was a success for sure. And the Griffin flies back and says, He says, you were looking for the hatchery, right? Well, I found it. There's a pit that looks like there are maybe three dragon eggs or more. I saw at least three dragon eggs, but I also saw something

else. So Wayne, we are up to you. Can I feel invisible? Can I go drag Billy's dead corpse off the ground, reanimate it and then make it sit on the roper? You can definitely drag the corpse. I would say that you looking at the spells that you have. Our Griffin's gotta be pretty hungry by now, right? Your Griffin is certainly hungry and he is a carnivore. And he says, hmm, interesting. That body's a little old, but I wouldn't mind. I'm hungry. I wouldn't mind picking at that a little bit. Yeah, I think I want to feed Billy's dead body to our Griffin. You start to feed Chuck, just because he's hungry. Yeah, absolutely. I'll also point out you're still invisible. So when you pick up Billy's body, it does kind of look like Billy's

just walking around invisible puppet master. Can I use like my hands to make Billy have a really stupid face and trip him a few times as he's walking? You make him like walk around and like we see Billy's face like contorting different ways. But then because he's in different pieces, the body parts start to like fall over a little bit. You're a good, you have a lot of dexterity though. So you start catching him and juggling. Yeah, I'd like to juggle Billy's testicles. Juggling various body parts. And then throw one against the wall. Absolutely. There's a splat as something hits the wall for sure. Okay, great. So yeah, now I'd like to feed his corpse to the Griffin. Absolutely. The Griffin is actually saying, hmm, you know, there's something tangy

about it, like dark magic or something. But you know, it's not bad. And the Griffin keeps eating this. Yeah. And the Griffin is also thanking us for having freed him. He does introduce himself after this delicious meal and says, you know, my name's Blake. It's an absolute pleasure. And I'm so thank you for freeing me. I really, really appreciate it. So he's now really like feeling like a member of our team now that he got to eat. Oh, it's a Blake Griffin. Our former teammate. Got it. Okay. Yeah, I went down the wrong. Actually, I don't like Blake Griffin anymore. Yeah, he kind of ditched us the other day. I'm sorry. This can be a different thing. No, Blake Griffin's fine. Okay, just for the record. I'm mad at him. All right. So now that

let's take him out. You want to take him out? Really? You got any thoughts on that? Hey. Just kidding. Tim, thank you so much. We really appreciate your time as always. Thank you. Good game. Absolutely, everybody. Love is blind. Now this show, I have not yelled at my TV while watching a show as much as I have watching this, whatever it is, I can't, I can't decide when I first started watching, I was like, this show sucks. I hate everyone involved. But now I feel like I didn't want to stop watching it after the fourth episode. I was like, I kind of love how much I hate some of these characters. Okay, it was hard for me to physically watch. Let's do big picture real quick. So we found out there's actually 60 people that got

invited. So it's 30 guys, 30 girls. We probably only saw like 10 or 12 of them. My question right off the bat, and I don't want this to sound mean at all. But because it's love is blind, did they intentionally not pick like super attractive people? Because it was markedly, the attractiveness was way lower. In fact, your bachelor, your bachelorette, your real world, like, no, I don't, it's the first season of a new show. Yeah, exactly. The production company, I thought maybe they're like who cares if they're not that attractive. I'm gonna throw a flag on that one because my first note was they should have had at least two very unattractive people. Well, I think they did. Very unattractive. I think you did if you saw the 60. I didn't look at all

the 60. No, no, I'm saying there was even some clips, like we were joking, the 38 year old dude who was like, are you an African American? Yeah, that guy was wack. That was perhaps the most awkward thing I've ever seen on a dating show. They threw some dogs in there, but I just know I wanted to see some like notably doggish people on there. That would shock the person if they got picked. They were though, and they were, I'm not saying I'm a good looking guy because that probably would be perfect for love is blind or probably I'm probably less attractive than the people on there. But usually when you watch a dating show, you're like, holy shit, all these people aren't even real life. There are some very attractive people on the show. There are a few.

There are a few, but there are also a bunch that you're like, how'd that guy get there? Yeah, so you're African American. Yeah, that was a great opening line. Like what's his name? Kenny, who's a sweet dude. He's not real. Why isn't there what about what's Cameron? Nice guy. You're not like a looker. Why isn't there a why isn't there a glory hole in the love pods? Right. Nick Lachey acting like everyone just knows who he is. Yeah, obviously I'm Nick. I'm obviously Nick Lachey and Nick Lachey like what did he do anything in between episodes one and four? He did nothing basically the entire time. They even I watched the whole thing, but yeah, he did. He does nothing the whole time. He popped back up. I'm Nick Lachey. Yeah,

I'm Nick Lachey and then asked reads a cue card, but he but they needed they needed obviously a married couple here and they were like, oh, let's let's look like was Ashley Simpson and her husband not available. I feel like that would have been good. So all right. So so they so the show is patently ridiculous. Who do you where should we like I want to I want to talk about Barnett. I hate him and I owe it the very different definition of fuckboy and he's found his girl and Amber who is the very definition of a hot mess. So you got a fuckboy and a hot mess and those are two unstoppable forces that are just going to rub up against each other until they get into a fight. Right. So that relationship is not going to work, but they're going to have a hell of a

time while they're in it. But his jokes that he had to introduce himself to everybody. They're like pre dad jokes. Yes, like he's going to be an excellent dad. Oh, I wrote, I wrote him down. They were pretty bad. So when when one of I think Jessica said, what do you think about dogs in the bed? And he replied, I am what I am one. She also said, do you kids? What do you think about kids? He says, do I have any? Not that I know of. The well, he had a great quote when he was talking to the camera about what he's looking for on the show. He goes, I usually go for pretty girls, but this time I'm not looking for anything. Well, not that I'm looking for anything ugly, but right, right. He's like, I usually like to date pretty girls as my type. I still do. Yeah. But

I usually in the past have also done that. The kids joke, I think he said so. He said, not that I know of. And then Jessica said, no, I meant your position. And he said, what's my favorite position? So really just really making everyone laugh. And then the last one I wrote down, they asked when they went back to the room where it was very odd, odd dynamic, they would all go back to the pad and be like, who did you connect with? And someone said, who were you all feeling? And he said none of them because it was through a wall. Good one. And then he said, all these girls love my jokes. They love, they love the jokes. That was the big from the first five episodes. Jessica and Barnett, Barnett being like, I think Barnett actually actually wrote

it down. He said, if this place had no other guys and no other girls I'd propose to you, which that is quite the love, you know, throwing that out there and Jessica falls head over heels. And then the next day she's like, Hey, Barnett, did you mean all that stuff? He said last night and Barnett's like, nah, not really. Then she goes from that to, you know what? Who's that first guy, Mark? Jessica is 34 years old, cannot figure out how over relationships fail, and then came on this show and basically got directly into a failed relationship. Yep. Yeah. Got dumped and then got a rebound and mark and was like, I'll make it work. They did. Yeah. She was like, I'm going to make this work. We have so much in common, like we're both from Chicago and Italian and

literally all they had in common was that they grew up near Chicago and so she kept like trying when she would talk to herself and convince herself that things might work out with Mark, it was just going back to like, we know, we're built on something so solid or foundation that that he really likes the Cubs. No, you forgot one thing, the Christianity. She when Mark explained his tattoo was like, yeah, I have a cross on my side and I left the space open for my future kids and she was like, Oh my God, that is so romantic. She strikes me as somebody who would who said multiple times like, I'm not religious, but I'm very spiritual. I want no, I want to raise my kids through the church. Yeah, but I don't go. Yeah. Mark is turning in cell in front of her eyes.

Mark is he's simp. He's having he's a big time simp. He's having to negotiate for the relationship to keep going. Every single conversation, their entire relationship is just a series of important talks that they have to have with each other. And every time it's Mark being like, I'm here for you and I'm still here and I'm going to make this work. Are you going to make this work? And she's like, Yeah, I guess so. And then she goes to the bathroom and fingers herself to pick up our net. Yeah. And she and then Mark's like, Hey, I've been thinking like, if we're really going to get married, maybe at some point, you should actually not be completely appalled by the look of me. Yeah. Like, and she's like, I don't know. It's just maybe we're working on physical. You know what,

we're working on things like you're my best friend. Right. Yeah. No, it was he basically proposed to her. He said, Will you do me the honor of putting me the fuck in your friend's own for life? Yes. Yes. Right now. She's even said like, I think of him as like my best friend. Like I love him. He's like a brother. Yeah. Okay, we now welcome on a very special guest. It is four time NBA champion, Horace Grant. Horace, thank you for joining us. It's everyone's obviously talking about the last dance. We want to talk about your entire career, but let's start there. And what has it been like to watch, to go back in time and see all this stuff, see a young Horace Grant, see all of the stories be

retold on a national stage? Well, looking back on it, reminiscing, if you will, kind of making me wish I was 22, 23 again, you know, there was some some great years. We had a fun time, a great run there in Chicago. But just the camaraderie that that we had as a team, the confidence that we had as a team when we got out there on the floor. Yeah. Are there are there birds in the background? Our producers. Yeah. Let me close the window. Okay, cool. Yeah, we can hear that. They sound like they're having a good time. People would definitely the whole interview. They'd be like, what the hell? What's going on? One of the best parts of the documentary so far was your reaction

to that piston series where they walked off the court, didn't shake your hand. I think you called them little bitches. Have you heard from anybody on the pistons about that? Well, you know, the ironic thing about that was I I never knew that what MJ said about the pistons, I guess after game three, you know, saying they they didn't deserve to be champion. They messed the game up and all of that. If I had known that I don't think I would have called them bitches. I would have said cry baby. But to answer your question, I talked to Isaiah Thomas, and we had a great, great conversation, man. I mean, and I see Isaiah all the time and also weekend. We mean, we have great conversations. So we had a great conversation about everything. And

it's cool. I just put it that way. That that moment where you guys beat the pistons and knowing everything that had come before that, like I actually was kind of shocked. They didn't go deeper into the migraine game, the Scotty migraine game, knowing that you were so close with Scotty. What was Michael's reaction to that? Because you can still see it on his face that he doesn't really believe that Scotty had a migraine. And that probably speaks to his psychopath, you know, competitiveness, where he's like, nothing could ever stop me. When that happens, are you, you know, right after the game, are you like, yes, Scotty clearly had a migraine? Or do you side with MJ a little bit and be like, it's crazy. He wasn't able to compete in Game 7.

Listen, when you have migraines, and I had a couple of migraines, when you have migraines, man, you can, it's blurry. You can't see the noise is crazy. There's no way Scotty could have functioned out there with those migraines. And he did have a migraine, man. And for us, I mean, for the people who second guess that, I mean, I don't know if you can say, you know, you know, they can kiss my ass, you know, that's, that's crazy, man. And for, and I saw when they asked MJ about that, and you know, he licked his lip and smirked a little bit, the dude that was your sidekick, right, your second in command. He had a migraine. Yeah, that's my thing. We play this game with every guest that we have, it's called headline grab,

where we say something, and then you give us something, and we're going to make a headline and get some big news out of it. So I'll rephrase Big Cat's question. How much money and debt was Michael Jordan from gambling when David Stern asked him to take a year off? Hey, that's something. See, I was so oblivious to a whole bunch of things, guys. I'm telling you, because I was about playing basketball, partying and going home. That was me. That was me. So I don't know if David Stern told me to take a year off. I just know MJ loved to gamble. That's what that was. I mean, even on luggage, even on, you know, what color you think that next car going to be coming down the street.

So in terms of that, I don't know if that costs his retirement or not. Would you gamble with him? Would you gamble with him on the plane and everything? Play cards? Oh, hell yeah, we did. Myself, Pip, Oak, Pete, Mike, I mean, a whole bunch of us was gambling. How would you do? What would you say? Are you up or down to MJ in your life gambling? Well, I can only say one thing that he ran out of cash one night. He didn't have enough cash on him. And of course, you know, when you don't have enough cash, you know, we loan each other money. And I think I loaned him about $2,000. And of course, I was talking trash every time I gave him about $400, $500. And then he was so pissed that the next day he brought $2,000 worth of

crispy $100 bills. All right. So my last question, and this is a hilarious thing to look back on, but I just need confirmation that is 100% true. You once tried to skip practice because Scotty Pippen's cat died and you were mourning the cat. Hey, true story. But the thing behind that, I was still drunk from the night before. And so that was really emotional about that cat. You really were in your feels about that cat. Listen, when you have quite a few drinks and you still hungover, you still get emotional about certain things. It was a special cat. It was a great cat. And the great part about a cat excuse, they have nine times they can die and you can just not practice. It's the book that I mentioned the book for everyone listening on Monday

show, Blood on the Horns. But it was like, Scotty called in and was like, Hey, my cat died and not going to be in practice today. And 15 minutes later, you called in, you're like, Hey, Scotty's cat died. I'm not going to be in practice today. Hey, we came in together in 1987. So that was my day. Feel my man. That's friendship. That's deep friendship to be like, I'll come and sit and be bros with you when your cat dies. Absolutely. I mean, the little cat, I mean, we had a bond. It's a great bond, man. What was the cat's name? I don't dare. I knew you wouldn't have that.

Okay, ready, Hank? All right, here we go. Yeah, girl or a boy? I'm a boy. Keep that in. Oh, no. You want to see? I told you she's spicy. No, I don't want to see. I told you she's spicy.

This Barbara Corcoran. You know her. She's the founder of the Corcoran group and she's an investor on Shark Tank. I've always thought that. So I had a background in sales. I sold pretty much anything under the map. You name it. I slanged it. I was the best salesperson I could be right after I sold something else. Why was that? Because you were bouncing off a high and you thought I'm a mighty man pounding your check. I could do anything. Yeah. Yeah, you feel really good. Yeah, worked really well. Before two deals, maybe.

No, no. I sold cats. I sold used dogs. I sold Christmas trees. I sold portable air conditioners, software, used cars. And you know, I could put you in an underage line like that. I wouldn't have bought any of those things from you. Yeah. Not a single one. Uh-huh. And let me ask you, if you were such a good salesman, let me challenge that.

Okay. If you're such a good salesman, why don't you hop from product to product to product? Good salespeople don't do that. Oh, because there's a cap on my commissions when I was selling cats. Oh. And so then I moved up to dogs. This is the weirdest thing. And then Christmas, the higher the ticket item, the more money you get paid.

But also I've found that the higher the ticket item, the higher the dollar sign on whatever it is you're selling, a lot of times it's easier to sell the expensive thing than it is to sell the cheap thing. And why is that? Because the customers that try to buy a cheap thing, they're focused on the price, and they'll just walk away at any given second. Customers that want to buy an expensive thing, they're focused on the other stuff that you can highlight for them.

You got to tell me something I'm curious about. You're telling me that you went and sold high-priced shit to people with that haircut? Oh, no. No, that's a good point. Oh, you looked different back then. That's a good point. Yeah. Because I wouldn't buy anything.

Right now, my only customer would be Kid Rock. If he needed like a legacy software upgrade, then I could hook him up. Oh, yeah, of course you could. What is the one product that you've invested in that you wish you could take back? Oh, there's a lot of them. Okay, the lipstick that makes you lose weight. Wait, that sounds like a good idea. Sounds like a great idea, but guess what?

It doesn't make you lose weight. Even though it burns the crap out of your lips, you don't want to eat a hot dog next time, but it's terrible. Wait, that's a real thing? That's a real thing. That sounds like a high idea that we create. Or the dentist, if he uses toothpaste, it's going to put you to sleep at night. I tried it.

I was having a hard time sleeping. I never went to sleep after I used this toothpaste. Oh, melatonin. After I guessed it, like, no, not melatonin. Melatonin toothpaste, yeah. Oh, that, wait, maybe that's it. Yeah. There was no melatonin in that toothpaste.

So what was it that knocked you out? Hank has this, Hank has Listerquil. Uh-huh. Michael and Listerine combined. He literally has that. Oh, my God. That's his idea. This is great.

I'm going to try both of these formulations. Maybe my money's not lost yet. Yeah, Listerquil has been a long time idea. Holy shit, Hank. That was just proving that you're right. You invested in this? I don't know. I don't know what to take seriously.

Well, you know, Listerquil is a long time idea of Hank. It's in beta. It sounds like you invested in Listerquil, but it wasn't always thought out. It was a wrong formulation. Yeah. It didn't put you to sleep and it tasted like crap. The only sad part is that it was after her

selling her least favorite investment. Well, that's, yeah, that's, yeah. You might make it my favorite investment now. It wasn't successful. The formula wasn't good. Your formula worked. She likes the idea. Barbara loves it.

She's in love with the idea. It's the people behind it. Who would think I'd come here today and make money? Yeah. I never saw that come. Can Blake Griffin do it? I don't, I think Kepke's got it. 5.5 is a tough number.

The hardest thing to do in sports is to repeat his champion. It's going to be very hard. Okay. Here we go. Blake Griffin. Go. Oh, 3.3. Holy shit.

You did it again. Blake. You did it again. Congratulations, Blake to Blake champion. You did it again. Blake Griffin. You're a transcendent talent. It was a tough competition though.

Do you want to know the finals? I need to know the times. Okay. So this year, Bortles had 5.75, Kepke had 5.5, and you beat them both by 1.2 seconds. Wow. Wow. Yes.

We actually were talking beforehand, and we said there were, there's the story lines that were going into this Blake of the Year was, will we look back and say that this was the goat, you know, status for Blake Griffin? Will we look back? PFT was saying, and say, is Blake Griffin bad for Blake's?

Is it not fair anymore, do you think? You know, I'm not even ready to answer those questions right now because I put in the time. I'm also working on a last dance Blake of the Year documentary as we speak. And, you know, the footage will show that I put the time in, and the footage will show that I care about this. You know, if you can't accept that, then it's fine.

You're not a real Blake of the Year fan. I think all the talk that we've had, we've had Bortles and Kepke on recently and discussed the Blake of the Year with them, I guess you could say Blake Griffin took it personally. I took that personally. Every time you guys post a highlight of Brooks on the golf course, posted his mustache compared to big cats.

I take that personally. I see it all. I don't comment all the time, but I see it all, and I take it personally. It's impressive. I mean, you're clearly very emotional. I can hear it in your voice. Congratulations.

The title is yours for another year. And, I mean, I don't know what else to say. There are no words right now. We're truly in the presence of greatness. Thank you guys. And, you know, if I can real quick, I just want to address the fans. Unbelievable support over this past year.

But we brought another Blake of the Year home. So you see me on the streets, Yale celebrates together because this one's for everybody. Wow. He's sharing this one with the fans. What a guy. Blake, one last question. Are you going to take some time to celebrate this?

Or are you thinking already, hey, let's move on. It's next year. You're only as good as your next Blake. You know what? The way I see it, I have the rest of the day to celebrate, but then it's back to training. Love it. Love it. Heart of a Champion, Art Blake.

We'll talk to you soon. Oh, also don't say anything because we're going to run this July 6th. So don't say anything. Oh, wow. I have to wait that long. Yes. Yes. So when we do, when it does happen,

just pretend it was just that day. Okay. All right. Okay. All right. Thank you, Blake. Congrats again. What a job. All right.

All right. See ya. Okay. We're rounding up. We got a couple of left. This is work. We're coming out of the COVID part of the year. We have some good interviews with great interviews with Matt Ryan and Kevin Love. Kevin Love was the first interview we did in person

in a long ass time. Awesome to do. Matt Ryan, really cool guy. Yeah. Feel bad that I keep saying he's so sackable, but he is. He is. It's just a fact. I think he would even admit it.

Defenders are like, I like this guy so much. I wanted to just give him a big hug. But yeah, we had some good interviews once we got back into the office. It was just good to see people face to face again. Yes. I would love to never have to look into a Zoom kaleidoscope of hell anymore

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And now, here is Matt Ryan and Kevin Love. Okay, we now welcome on a very special guest. It is NFL MVP starting quarterback for the Atlanta Falcons. Matt Ryan, thank you for joining us. I wanted, though, to start the interview being a gracious host and ask you, do you want to do 28-3 now or later?

Let's just rip the Band-Aid and go. All right, let's do it. All right. We'll get out to a big start and then you can come back. First question, how much did that suck? I mean, as much as anything can suck, right? Like, that's about as bad as it gets. Still stings a little bit, but hopefully I get back there

at some point and can change the narrative. I remember Ed Warder after the game asked you how crushing was this loss right after the game. And that was maybe the most savage question in the moment. So credit to you for dealing with that in the moment and not. Like, I would have freaked out and grabbed my Xbox controller and thrown it at everyone in the press and been like, I'm out of here.

So good job on that. Yeah, I gave my helmet a pretty good launch when I got into the locker room, saw the kind of speakers and stuff fly out. So I basically did the same thing you would do with the Xbox controller with my helmet. I heard a nasty rumor that you got a contact high from Chris Long when he hit you in the fourth quarter.

And that's what kind of sent you downhill. Can you confirm that? Yeah, I don't think that's true. But it was that fourth quarter. It was kind of a weird deal, right? Because the end, I mean, we made some great plays to get back into field goal range late in the game. Then we kind of got pumped back out.

But there was no contact high from Chris. I actually just talked to him earlier today. All good. He's still talking shit about that year. And then the following year, when he beat us with the Eagles, which both those were tough losses. Yeah, that was the 2017 Falcons

who I was saying they hadn't played their best game yet. Up in, you guys lost. And I still was like, don't worry, they're going to be in the playoffs next week. And they still haven't played their best game because I was a big believer in that team. Have you had a chance, I assume, to talk to Kyle Shanahan? I know that you guys have publicly, like there's back

and forth, you know, not blame, but Kyle Shanahan gets some of the blame for it. But have you guys buried the hatchet in that respect? Yeah, we're cool. I mean, we talked a lot about it, you know, the week and a half after that game. And then, you know, obviously I was happy for him with the San Francisco hire and, you know,

kept in touch with him. And then obviously reached back out to him after, you know, another tough one for them after the Super Bowl this year. So I've been, you know, I've kept in touch with him. And he's a, I mean, he's a great coach, man. He's a good dude, really good football coach. And he's going to get one. I hope not during, you know, the rest of my career,

but, you know, at some point after that, he's going to get one. Do you call into question his judgment knowing that he has Chris Sims's initials tattooed on his calf? We used to bust his balls all the time about that. Matt Sims, so Chris's brother, Matt, was the third string quarterback with us for, I guess, two seasons while Kyle was there.

And Matt, he was relentless, man. He would, he would just, he would break his balls all the time about that. And it is, you know, he tells a story about why they did it. And it still doesn't make sense. I mean, it just, it was a bad decision. The wood, they called themselves the wood, right? It was like four bros at University of Texas.

They're like, Hey, let's all get each other's names put on our legs. Yeah, just a bad decision at that time. And you thought it was going to play out well. Right. Speaking of Matt Sims, what is it about the name Matt that makes really good quarterbacks? Good question. Thanks.

I don't know. That's another weird part of that year. So in that quarterback room, our quarterback coach was Matt LaFleur, current head coach of the Green Bay Packers. Our backup quarterback was Matt Shaw. And our third string quarterback was Matt Sims. So all four of us in that room at the time were Matt. Too many of us.

And the running joke was that, you know, if anybody came in and asked for Matt, they knew who we were talking to. It was me. So everybody else just kept their mouth shut if you kind of went about their business. I'd like to talk to Matt Shaw. Have you ever asked Matt Shaw the streak,

the pick six streak that he had going? That's an all time. I mean, what happened there? Did you have you ever been like, hey, dude, what was going on that? Yeah, he doesn't really want to go there when I bring it up. He doesn't really want to go there all that often about it. But I think we're both like top 15 all time of pick six is thrown. So that's pretty good for one quarterback room.

Yeah. Did you did he ever suggest? Hey, maybe we should work on our tackling. Never came up. Either either of us never really brought it up. I want to do a quick throwback wondering what was going through your head during this decision making. And it wasn't your decision. But 2015, you're out playing the San Francisco 49ers.

You guys are down for fourth and goal on the one under three minutes to go. You kick a field goal. What were you thinking? I don't know. Do you remember that play? Because I do. We were out there 2015 out. Just opened the new stadium.

Yeah, I do. We kicked it and then we didn't get the ball back. I don't think. Correct. Correct. You lost by one. Yeah, probably not the right choice. No, I actually meant we saw Dan Quinn at the combine a couple of years ago.

And I asked him about that because I kind of have just, I don't know, it's something I'm just hung up on. I think I had money on the game and I just was really mad at the time. He definitely had money on the game. And yeah, he was a huge problem. Yeah, he was like, yeah, that was a mistake. It's so out of character for Dan, though, too. I think he's changed.

It's probably one of the learning experiences for him as a head coach, too, because he honestly is one of the most aggressive guys in the league when it comes to going forward on fourth down and being aggressive and having the balls to make those decisions and being able to live with it, which is one of the things you love about him. But it was his first year as a head coach. So, I mean, he's come along. He's gotten better.

Yeah, yeah. That was a bad one. And that was something completely different. 2016 in the finals, game seven, the end of the game, you're supposed to lock down Steph Curry. And the Cavaliers by three. And I like the no time out call by Steve Kerr. Love picks up Curry.

Curry steps back, fakes the three, drives again, shut off nicely. Were you afraid in that moment or were you like, if I were you, and this is probably why I'm not a basketball player, a professional basketball player, besides being only five, 10 and a half. But if you were, if that were me, I would be. It's your contract height. Shit, I'm five. I'm actually five, eight.

But if I say five, 10 and a half, nobody. Yeah, he was choosy, six feet. I'm six feet, yeah. Well, these shoes, by the way, these are six shoes because they give me three inches. And they're not actually lifts. So technically, I guess I am six feet right now. But if I were you and I were in that position,

I would just be shitting myself. I'd be like, I hope I don't fuck this up. Is that what you were thinking or were you like, I got this? Yeah, I mean, naturally you're going to get the, I mean, first time ever unanimous MVP, right? This team 73 and nine. But again, I forgot to mention preparation when I came to Tai Lu and our team in general.

Like we had gone over that particular play. I mean, hundreds of times gone through it in film. Hundreds of times had seen it throughout the game, especially in their fourth quarter package a number of times because they wanted, they knew that we were switching most of time one through five and that I was on Dremont. So I was, I was guarding the four. You know, he was going to set the flare for, for clay.

And we weren't going to switch that come over the top. And then when, when he set the screen for Steph, and I think JR might have been ended up on a, on Dremont after that. But I always say it was actually, you know, I played great defense, but as far as a defensive scheme and play, it was actually a bad defensive possession because I wasn't supposed to let,

I was supposed to deny the ball back to Steph and I let him get the ball back. So, so Dremont had caught it kind of in the corner, was like, okay, I need, I'm going to need Steph to make this play because he's done it time and time again. And, you know, he throws it back to him. I'm actually supposed to deny that, you know,

luckily I kept my feet down, you know, knew everything was at stake. But I think part of the reason I was able to do that in that moment was because, yes, first of all, I was locked in, we went through it so many times, we prepared so many times, and that was a play that really stuck out to us in late game situation. But I think more than anything,

it was my mindset changed in the series. You know, I come off a concussion, I hadn't played the next game in game three, we ended up winning. So I'm like, I'm just going to focus on defense and rebounding. That's all I'm going to focus on here. So when that time came, I was, I was more ready than I probably otherwise would have been

had I not decided to focus on that. If he drives on you though, I'll found the shit out. Oh, you wouldn't be a foul? No, no, it's funny because I know it. Like he did, it was good defense, but he also... I was guarding the three. You got to be like, thank God he took a shot there

and not drive him. And I've seen him make that shot. I mean, we all have time and time again against even bigger players. Right. He comes back the next year in the finals. I think it might have been game one, maybe I think it might have been game two

where they blew us out because game one was crazy, really suspect foul call, the whole thing. Charge block, they went, you know, called it a charge, went back. So it was a blocking foul. That was... Suspect. So it just had never happened before.

It was unprecedented in a game, especially of that magnitude in NBA finals game. Braun has one of the best finals performances of all time. We go out there, I have a big game, guys are playing great, guys are ready for the moment and then we lose. It's like that just took the wind out of our sails. So wait, so...

So I'm sorry. So yeah, so you're like just... So that play, but in general, as a bigger guy... Yeah. When you get on an island with a guy with sick handles, a point guard, are you just like in the back of your head like this fucking sucks? Oh yeah.

I mean, it's tough in today's NBA. It's tough because there's no hand checking anymore. It's been like that for a while, but it's such a pace and space league now. I mean, take a look at the Rockets. They're the best example of it. There's a number of teams that... I did a story with Jackie McMullen,

who was talking about the new era of the big men. And she said in the last five years, because we have advanced stats now in analytics for every single team, like we base kind of sometimes what we do on that, right? And numbers tell a story. So she was saying that 50% of... I mean, excuse me, post touches are 50% down

in the last five years. I believe it. So you don't see a traditional five-man anymore. Even have guys like... I mean, we were talking about Milwaukee earlier, Brook Lopez out there shooting threes. You have Marc Gasol out there shooting threes. Even Valchunas out there shooting threes.

Joel M. Bede out there shooting threes. Not well, but yeah, he's out there shooting threes. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. If you don't have that in your game, it's almost like, you know, can I put them in in certain situations? Because you have to guard.

You have to switch. You have to guard ones and twos. You have to guard a staff. You have to guard a Kyrie. You have to guard a Russell Westbrook, a James Harden. So switching onto them in the open floor and asking for help is already a disadvantage. Daniel Lillard, same way.

Like it's hard to do. Steven Adams can't really play in the series against the Rockets. Like that's kind of what it is. It is what he's playing, but you can't play him long minutes because it doesn't really fit with what the Rockets are. You help off of PJ Tucker. He's getting in the corner in your student threes.

He shot the most, and I think maybe even the highest percentage of anybody in the league from that corner there. And he's 6'5". See, that's seven foot. And they're not able to take advantage of that. They go double. Somebody else has to beat you. So again, to answer your question,

yeah, I think if I would have funneled him into the lane, we probably would have had to help. And maybe they would have kicked it out to Claire or kicked it out to another player, but we would have made somebody else beat us. But in that moment, he even said it too. It's funny, he came out and I said, I should have driven Pascal in love.

I could have done it easy. He's like, yeah, that's fair, but you didn't. You did, yeah. If I were you, I would watch the replay of that, just like still nervous and think to myself, shit, I hope he doesn't drop. By the way, I still watch that. I've never watched the game in its entirety.

I've never watched a game. By the way, the first half of the game isn't even worth watching. Yeah. Because then JR comes out, and I think they're up eight points. He has two threes and scores a layup. But I don't even watch the first half.

I can remember walking back to the locker room with James Jones, who now works in the front office for the Phoenix Suns, really close friend of mine. And he, I looked at him, I said, does this even feel like a game seven? And he had been a part of all the finals runs with Braun. And he's like, no. Really?

Yeah. And then at the locker room at this time, it was like, yeah, where's the energy? Where's the, you know, we need accountability. So we came out in the second half and we were locked in and ready to go. So the second half is amazing. Yes.

It's incredible. And I remember the last four minutes, I'm sitting here like this at a timeout. But I remember the last four minutes, really, nobody scored. Yeah. Yes. And Kyrie hit that big shot,

and Braun had the block, the stop, whatever you were. And Braun went to the free throw line, hit the one free throw, put us up four. But I can remember sitting down. So it always went, Braun at the front, Kyrie, or excuse me, JR, myself, I was in the middle, Tristan, and then Kyrie was always at the end. So LeBron and Kyrie on opposite sides of each other.

Yes. Got it. It's far away from each other as possible, you would say. I think both of them wanted to feel like they could leave a huddle. No, no, it's the end. No, I mean, I got you. Go ahead. So you're sitting there.

Yeah. So I'm sitting there. Nobody's saying a word, but I can remember looking, like everybody's going crazy. I'm a Phil Knight sitting right there. Lynn Merritt, who's the head of Nike Global Basketball. I see, you know, Guy Fieri. Guy Fieri's obviously there.

By the way, if you guys had Guy Fieri on the show. No, we would love to. He's all in that flavor town. He's all in that flavor town. Before the grassy guy go on, yeah. I mean, Diners, Drivens, and Drives. I mean, like, that's a big thing. Man, that could be like a conversational pivot, but I'm not here.

But I just remember, you know, I think everybody, like we even had our fans there, the, you know, 100 people that were up there, friends and family. And, you know, we're in this chaotic Coliseum type experience, like they just let the lions out, right? And I just remember looking at everybody like, oh, wow, we're like, we're going to win this. We're locked in.

And, like, I'll never, unless you're in that moment and the guys are all locked in and around, because typically you guys are going, doing their own thing and talking, whatever. Guys are, you know, loose with the huddle most of the time. We just, we excelled a lot of the time because of how much talent we had, but we were so locked in. And when Tyloo came in and sat down,

he just kind of looked at us, drew up to play. And I actually believe that might have been when, you know, Kyrie, we came down in the possession and he hit the big shot, but that type of thing, you just can't draw up. But I just remember how locked in we were and that still today resonates with me in such a big way. In those finals, because, you know,

hearing basketball players talking, Kevin Durant always talks about, like, how much he appreciates just, like, great basketball. Did you have moments when you're in any of those finals, you're like, this is just insanely good basketball? Like, the level that both these teams are playing at and the, you know, the margin for error is so razor thin. Like, this is, did you have a chance to, like, appreciate it?

Well, yeah, actually getting back to walking into the locker room at halftime. It's a long walk at Oracle, RIP Oracle. I mean, it's not gone, but it's moved into the city. But to us, it's gone, which is too bad because what a great arena to play. Obviously, hate the fans, but also love the fans at the same time, loud place.

But we're walking back to a long walk. And, you know, I think the margin for error question is great because we were, this is a team that we're playing against in the Warriors that if they get it to double digits, you get in your brand and you're like, oh man, like, very seldom do you come back from double digits to this team.

They have so much firepower. Clay and Steph get going. And, you know, Dre is, you know, doing his things in the running for defensive play of the year, every single year. And they just have the thing rolling. If they get Oracle going, it's so loud. It's a tough place to play, really, really tough.

Maybe the hardest at that time because they were 73 and 9. It's so good. But we knew that if we didn't make up any of our ground from that eight-point deficit, that if it got to double digits, we could be in trouble, especially in the second half. Guys are going to get a little, you know,

Assel's going to get tied. Guys are going to get a little bit more tense. You know, guys are going to start doing things outside of maybe even their character or their game. And, you know, for that to happen to us would have been, you know, pretty tough because you've seen it time and time again, even in the playoffs, in finals games as well.

We saw it the next year when we played them. Like, if you give them enough of, you know, a discrepancy, they're going to take advantage of that. And they score nine points in like 30 seconds. Yeah, that's it. It's almost like you have to be up by 10 at halftime because in that third quarter, they can come out and go on. And they're the best third quarter team in the league.

They'll go on like a 16-0 run like that. And they're capable of that quick. Yeah. They get the crowd going, steps going. You know, it's just, it's a tough, tough place to play. And being on the road like that, we had to be locked in. So that the margin for error was incredibly, incredibly. Okay, wrapping up the best of, we got some dudes to finish it up.

We got Matthew McConaughey, we got Ryan Rosillo, some dudes. Rosillo's going to be so happy that he got lumped in with Matthew McConaughey. He's definitely going to like reply to the tweet and tag McConaughey in it. Being like, hey, great, great end of the year episode. And just in secret hopes that McConaughey will write him back. Couple dudes take off their shirts. Should we do a number before we do that, before we get to him?

So Bubba actually won. I haven't put, I got to put some balls back in there, but let's just not do it for this time. I'm going to go 21. New year. I'll go 100 again. 21. 21, Bubba.

95. 95, trying to cuck me. 21. If this is eight, I'm going to fucking, I'm going to shit twice and die. Oh, shit twice and die. If it's eight? Yeah. Because that's what I normally pick.

Yeah. See, I shit twice and die. Eight. I got a hundred. 21, baby. 21, baby. 50. Ah, yeah.

Well, look at that. I guess we'll find out. I hope Jake's taking these numbers down. We'll have the full crew back from vacation. This is the, this is the not fucking around crew. Miliam and PFT. The take days off the rest of us, the rest of them. Hank and Billy and Jake, who just kind of freeload off our backs.

Hanks. We'll be back. Yeah. Hanks in mourning because of the end of his dynasty. I can, I can understand him wanting to take a day off. And Billy, you know what though out making himself. This is a direct quote I saw through some of my sources. Billy is, is going to make himself a weapon before they can take a fight.

Turning himself into a weapon. Yeah. Turning himself into a weapon. Yeah. He's also probably making himself a weapon to have on this person. Yeah. But yeah, 2021. Let's, let's just do a redo guys.

Yeah. Let's call that one. Let's call that one to wash. Move forward. Maybe we can get Hank to do soggy sorrows. Yeah. Get back for the Patriots. Yes.

Hard bodies in 2021. Get excited. We'll see everyone after week 17. Enjoy Matthew McConaughey and Ryan Rousseau. Love you guys. I'm a terrific post player. Terrific. I'll, I'll, I'll put that up against anybody.

But then yesterday I was telling big cats and guys were like hitting on me at the, at, at hoops, trying to ask me to play with them. It was weird. Because you were backing them down too hard. You're sending the wrong signals. No, no, they just saw me, they saw me shooting around a little bit. And you know, I was trying to be COVID safe. So I didn't really want to play pickup with anybody anyway,

but I just wanted to get some shots up, get a little sweat in. And I think they were high as fuck because they reeked. They, but I think one guy was playing in sandals, but he was really nice. But then he was, they were asking me how much I weighed and they had a bet on it, which I thought was kind of cool and complimentary, you know. And so I was like, I don't, I don't have to tell you. So I told them my weight and they got excited.

And then it just immediately went into, hey, do you guys want to join, do you want to join my buddies and I on a text thread and we can, we can pick. And I was like, no, I actually don't want to give you my cell phone number, but I'll just be around. You basically just met the West coast, Billy football, because that's something Billy football would absolutely say like, yo dude, how much you weigh? Like I'm looking at you right now.

You're looking pretty solid. I don't know. What's up with Billy football's arms? I thought he used to have big arms. That's a good question, Ryan. So he joined a team. Great question. He doesn't have his, he doesn't have a headphones on right now.

He joined a Jenga team and then he cut his sleeves off. And then he chose the only guy in the office that has bigger arms on him. So now he looks like he's got a little earthworms hanging from his shoulders. Billy hasn't done curls in days. It's bad. He asked what's up with your arms, Billy. We're still, I'll, I'll bench you a hundred percent. How much you benching now it is?

Uh, you know, I don't, I want you to get out of high school. You don't max a ton. I know I'm out of college. I still don't max some bikes. No, I can bench more than you. You probably can, man. I don't know. What do you, what do you max?

Well, right now I'm probably hovering around like 285. Max? It's not a lot to brag about. That was fucking tough to put your phone down. How was you benching? I put up 315 three times today, fucking around. Get back to me in a couple years. You're probably a short arm guy.

That's man strength. No, I'm not a short arm guy. I don't know if you caught this. No, I don't, you must have missed the part, but my post thing. Like six, six. It's stupid. The funny thing is I'm sure that Ryan actually knows exactly what his wingspan is. Yes.

No, he's got six. He's got a new fighter chart on his wall. That's in the draft notes. Ryan or so. Six, six wingspan. It's stupid. Silly straw. I can't believe you're at 285.

No, I squatted. That's embarrassing. Oh, we're doing squat numbers now? Yeah, my squat was my best lift. Go ahead. Say your squat numbers. I benched. Squatted over 440.

Okay. That's great, man. Talk to me when you're 45. Okay. Dude. Anyway. 285. I didn't know what type of bench you were, like bench guy he was.

No, but 285. Like don't go around. No, that's what it is now. But Billy, Billy, Billy, hold on. You were so confident. I assumed you were gonna say like 365 or something like that. I don't have at least three plates on. Then you can't come at somebody like that.

Billy, when you go out in public, you represent us. And you're telling people that you benched 285? That's embarrassing, dude. Well, now, I mean, I'm not like, I dropped like, you guys made fun of me for being fat. So I don't like, my body weight's lower. So when I was like 240, like I was benching way more. But then everyone was like, oh, belly football. So I was like, oh, fuck, I got to drop weight now.

I'll be honest with you. I don't care how fat you are. If you can throw up three plates, then I'm fine with that. I've been in the past. I'm just, I'm disappointed with that. And Ryan just being like, I was fucking around this morning and threw up 315. Like he wasn't even benching seriously, dude. He was warming up.

He was just having a laugh. Anyway, love to live with you. Billy, by the way, don't let them. It's clearly they're getting in your head. Don't worry about the big thing at all, man. Big is in. Yeah. Well, yeah.

But this is a different work dynamic. I think we can all agree on that. And by the way, when, when Big Cat says you represent us, Van Pelt said that to me one night and scolded the shit out of me. And it sucked to hear, but it also wasn't a lie. Yeah. And then later on, I was like, hey, then, but later on, you become your own person.

You go, I don't want to hear that. Well, what did you do to have him say that? He benched 275. 285. No, I told, I told somebody to fuck off. I don't think, well, I haven't done it in a long time. I could maybe hit 300. Yeah.

I know the excuses are coming. We're right. Ryan, would you say you told somebody to fuck off? I told somebody to fuck off one night, and he didn't really love it. So whatever. It was a long story. But you know what?

He was fair. It was fair. It was stern, but it was fair. But yeah, Billy, seriously, man, you're you do have long arms. Your arms from this angle look better. I'm trying to build you up a little bit. But you can't. Thank you.

If you can't put up 315 right now, you shouldn't start like stepping to other guys about Max Bench. I know. I know. Billy's not. You already knew this. You already knew this. Yeah, I know.

You're suspicious of cardio, Billy. Billy's an I love you guy, Ryan. I don't know you. I like Billy. You probably had those guys in ESPN. So Dion once told us it was a very apt thing like about the locker room dynamic. He's like, there's at least two guys in every locker room

that's an I love you guy where you have to check in with him and be like, hey, man, I love you like straight up. I love you just so that they don't go crazy. That's Billy. No, no. That's not an I love you guy by any means. Sounds like you're being. Antonio Brown.

Tom Brady literally is making love to Antonio Brown to keep him like playing football, keeping living in his house. He's the ultimate. I love you guys. You too. This is awesome because every time it sounds like big cat's going to compliment Billy.

It's not. No, that's the whole. And then every now and then. I might be a podcasting. I love you guys now. I think about. Yeah, you are. I love you, dude.

No, Billy. No, for real though. The podcaster world. I mean, yo, hey, cut this part. Cut this part. I love you, dude. I don't believe that. Yeah, I love you.

For real. Anyway, I do like Billy, though. I do. We had a big influence on me when I was 18, and we came to ESPN. He doesn't want to hear that, though, Billy, because now he's like, no, it's a compliment. I was like, that's like really cool.

The kid that I looked up to and only benched 285. What was the big influence? Well, I just like, we went to a show and it was like really like big for me. I was like, it was like, it was so cool to see like what was going on. It was like a big moment in my life. OK, but you're leaving out a very important part.

You didn't know who I was at all. Look, I was 18. Like, you know, I don't listen to the radio. I was 18, but now I'm like, I got into that world. I was like, wow, like, you know, like podcasting is a gateway drug to radio. Yeah. Yeah, that's exactly what it is.

What is it best in show? It's like Sting or no, Zoolander Sting is one of my heroes. I don't really listen to them. I was like, wow, this guy's really cool. I want to be like this guy. And now for something completely different. OK, we now welcome on a very, very, very special guest. It is actor and now author Matthew McConaughey.

He's got his memoirs out October 20th. It's called Green Lights. It is, I'll say it right now, the coolest memoir of all time because it is his life experience teaching you about how to live life, how to be cool. But more than anything, you wrote it. You had a journal for 35 years. And then I read that you wrote it by going to the desert

for 52 days without electricity. Is that true? The first 12 days without electricity. So I had a generator on me and I pack up these 36 years worth of diaries. I put them in the navigator by 21 and 5 eighth inch rib eyes. I zip lock them. I get my long branch.

I get three, five gallon jugs of water and a generator and my laptop and a printer. And I headed out to this cabin in the desert. So for the first 12 days, that was me. And then the other places I went after that were in the desert. But I did leave the generator and got some AC power hookup. So I had a little electricity. Like going back and reading that stuff,

was that the first time that you'd sat down and read your thoughts? Yeah. Yeah, it was. I mean, I write this in the book. I always write things down not to remember. I write things down so I can forget them. So I can go, oh, jot that down. Cool.

Now I can forget it. And that's what I've been doing since I was 14. But I'll remind you, the early stuff at 14, I'm a 14-year-old kid going to my training for this reason that most people go to their diary to write about the shitty stuff. To write about, oh, Gretchen broke up with me or Kathy Cook won't go out with me or this worked out

or I got to second base last night or some kind of thing like that. And then in my early 20s, I had a time where I was kind of rolling, catching a lot of green lights. I was in college. My relationships were good, man. I would think I was making a little money. You had a little money in my pocket.

And I said, you know what, McConaughey, go write in your diary now while you're rolling. Go dissect this success you're having right now because you may get in a rut again, which I did, which we all do, and you can go back and look at, what was I doing when I was rolling? Who was I hanging out with? Where was I going?

What was I eating? What was I drinking? Oh, how was I seeing the world? So that was something that I was happy. I've done through my life. I tried to write things down when things are going well because another rut's always coming. And if you keep track and make a little bit of it,

there's a science to some satisfaction. There's some habits that I've found that I've had that have helped me be more satisfied and they helped me get out of some of those ruts. You can make a living on that? Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. There was one quote that you put in your book

that you did not expand on. And I'm curious to hear the entire backstory behind this. You just kind of, this is like a throwaway line. If you're Matthew McConaughey, this is how cool you are. You can just toss this out here and forget that you even said it. You said, I've done peyote and railed the Catorce, Mexico in a cage with a mountain line.

Yeah. And you just moved on from that. What's the story? How did that go down? Well, I'm in railed that Catorce and I'd gone off on a sunrise walk with the shaman. And he was in a very cool way that a shaman can do, slowly disseminating the peyote as we hiked up this huge mountain

that took hours to hike up. And it was an awesome walk and it was an awesome return. And when I got back down on the property, he had this mountain line and this cage. And I get up next to the cage and under so-called influences of such peyote, I'm getting on the same frequency of the mountain line. And the mountain line is getting on the same frequency

as McConaughey. And so now this mountain line is up next to the gate and kind of I'm just sticking whiskers through and I'm scratching this under valley. And so I get confident that me and this mountain line are on the same frequency. So I move over to the gate and enter it. So said cage, mountain line jumps around.

I move very slowly, making sure to stay on the same frequency as so said mountain line. I move over to the corner, slowly sit down. For about an hour, this mountain line parries back and forth and slowly starts getting a little bit closer and a little bit closer and a little bit closer until he comes up next to me and gets very close to my hand, wanting to get some more itches under his chin like he did

when I was outside of the cage. I slowly give him a little scratch. I don't intrude his space. I lean back. Now after that, that son of a bitch is sitting in my lap purring. And I sat there for another hour and a half. Spent about four hours total in the cage, then slowly got up and went my way

and it was a really incredible experience. Is that one that you look back on in the diary and you're like, you're scared for yourself in the past, reading it sober? No, no, no. I mean, no, I was, I was, you know, if you, I don't know if you've ever done a peyote trip with just peyote in water.

And if you do it the right way with the shaman, I would say I was incredibly sober. I wasn't out of my mind at all. If you think I was more in tune than normal. That's a great thing about peyote done the right way. No, I don't look back on that at all. I look back on that and go, if anything, if you look through the book,

there's times I've taken what would be a considered risk that absolutely paid off. I would have regretted my instincts so that I could make that work if I wouldn't have gone in. And you're just like that wrestling match in Africa. If I wouldn't have said yes to that challenge, I'd regret that to this day. Yeah.

And by saying yes to that challenge, he's given me gifts since because of the people I met, the lessons I learned, all kinds of stuff. It's also you have an out there where if things go wrong and Matthew McConaughey dies tripping on peyote by a mountain lion, that's pretty much the coolest way to die. You're a legend forever right there. So there's nothing but upside.

Yeah, I mean, and to be part of the food chain. If I can go, I hope that's how it is. I hope it's not by a random drive by. Right. You live forever. I'd rather not move on as part of the food chain. Yeah, you live forever in that respect. There's probably also an element of the mountain lion

just understanding that this was Matthew McConaughey. He's pretty cool. Like, oh, this guy, this is the dude from the Lincoln commercials. Yeah. Yeah, this guy sits in his car and looks at long horn bulls in the middle of the road and doesn't go around him. He decides to let them have the right of way, turns around and goes his own way.

Yeah. All right, so I had one last question. I found this, I love the scene in Wolfville Wall Street when you do the chest bumping. And then I read a story that you, that actually you do that before you go and act every single time to pump yourself up. Yeah. So can we do that once?

Can we just do it? You want to do the Wolfville Wall Street one? No, or the one, or just the Matthew McConaughey, whatever you're feeling right now, because you said you do it in a different like tune or whatever you're feeling. Oh, yeah, we can do that all day. Oh, man, what was that bird?

That was a blue bird. Yeah, that's fucking sick. It's a, I'll do that before, you know, before I'm going to go give a speech. I get, you get nervous or something. Try it. It'll get you out of your head. And it'll sort of also doing that on your chest

to lower your voice and relax you. And it makes people go, what the fuck is he doing? Which is also a good tool because they think you're, you're out of your mind, which is usually somewhat true, which gives you an advantage when you go do what you do, because you feel like you're on an island. Also just the human body craves contact. So you start slapping yourself around a little bit.

You're like, okay, now I'm living. Yeah, this is life. The blood flowing, man. Oh, love it. I love it. Well, this has been awesome, Matthew. Everything we wanted and more. Good luck trying to get Texas back.

I don't know if that'll ever happen, but we'll see. And we'll make the Red Wolves happen too. Yeah. Yeah. We be in process. We be in process. Welcome. All right.

See you, man. See you. Take on me. Take on me. Take me on. Take on me. I'll be gone. And I'll turn you on.

So needless to say, I'll set it. But I'll be some little way. Some little way. Some little way. Say unto me, why is the planet to be saved from something? So needless to say, I'll be saved from me. Take on me. Take on me.

Take on me. Take on me. So needless to say, I'll set it. But I'll be some little way. Some little way. Say unto me, why is the planet to be saved from something? So needless to say, I'll be saved from me. Thank you.