Pardon My Take - NBA Draft With Ryen Russillo, The Bears Suck, And Guys On Chicks

Episode Date: November 18, 2020

The Bears make football terrible. We clean up MNF and the death of the Bears 2020 season (2:25 - 8:49). Theo Epstein steps down from his job with the Cubs and PFT has a new idea (8:49 - 17:24). Hot Seat/Cool Throne including Big Cat retiring from predicting injuries (17:24 - 33:09). Ryen Russillo joins the show to talk NBA Draft, how much Billy lifts, and whats going on with the NBA right now (33:09 - 91:25). We finish with guys on chicks.You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/PardonMyTake

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electric avenue, and then we're taking higher, oh, we're gonna rock down to electric avenue. It's part of my take presented by Barstool Sports. Welcome to part of my take presented by the Cash App, go download it right now, use code BARSTEL, you get $10 for free, $10 to the ASPCA, today is Wednesday, November 18th, and the Chicago Bears fucking suck. That was one of the most boring games that I've ever seen, I want the Bears to be bad, but fun bad, or good, I would root for the Bears if they were good, I would get behind you up to a certain point where it would break your heart most deeply, but they're not fun

bad, they had 149 yards of offense, is that correct? PFT, they're leading? That's impossible to do. Their longest run in the last two games has been by a fucking linebacker in a punt return, the only, they've scored seven points offensively this year in the third quarter, doesn't count the third quarter because it was a kick return, they are so fucking bad, it's painful, it is painful to watch, and the play calling, I actually think now Matt Nagy, that was a very nice subtle way for him, when he pushes the play calling to Bill Laser, he's essentially

saying, hey everyone, it's not the play calling, it's the fact that Ryan Pace has shit for brains, and he has completely ruined this roster, because offensive line was a problem going in, it sucks, you knew that like the quarterback situation was not good, you went and got Nick Foles, look, Philly loves Nick Foles, Nick Foles won a Super Bowl, I don't know what his injury was, shoulder, rib, whatever, we'll get to that later, he's not good, he's not good at playing football, like he's not good at being a quarterback, it's just, objectively he's just not. He's just found himself in a couple good situations, he's reached incredible heights

and he's had incredible moments, but like game to game he is not a consistent starter in the NFL. Yeah, I mean it is basically a really easy way for Matt Nagy to be like, this is not my issue, it doesn't matter who's calling the plays, it could be Andy Reed himself calling the plays, it could be any offense coordinator in the league, but when you have Nick Foles and then when you have the offensive line injuries that we have, and just to be fair, they are a banged up football team, but everyone is, everyone is, it's not great, and it's so fucking boring to watch, it's just, even the most exciting part of any Bears game should

be, Coral Paterson getting the ball, because it's cool to see a big ass wide receiver playing running back every now and again, even that's boring because I've seen it so much and it's usually not effective. And they even said that like he's, I think Steve Levy said last night, like he's gotten so fat that he's basically also a full back. Yeah, and the Bears are so bad offensively that they were down six points and they returned upon to like the 45 yard line of the Vikings and there was a 0% chance they were going to score, and everyone knew it.

And then on like third down, I don't, it's insane that you can have a team, Mike Zimmer is a great coach, Mike Zimmer was blitzing every third down and no one realized it, like it was, it was clockwork. Every third down, bring the pressure, Nick Foles runs for his life, nothing happens. Oh, let's throw in a pat, like they ran that one fucking pass that was like second in sixth and they ran a pass like four yards behind the line of scrimmage. They're just so bad and incompetent and terrible and I hate Ryan Pace and I hate to do this because Mr. Biskie's a very nice guy and it's not his fault, but this is what happens.

These are the repercussions of missing when you take a swing for the fences on a quarterback in the first round and you miss. You feel it for a decade going forward. Like the Bears will be catching, we'll be chasing that mistake for a very long time. I just think that it's remarkable that Matt Nagy found somebody that shares his exact brain when it comes to play calling that he could give up play calling to. Yeah. Because there was actually no difference last night watching the stuff that Bill Laser

came up with as opposed to what Matt Nagy was doing. So there's, yeah, there's no good, you know what you can take, take solace in though? The defense, the defense is still somehow playing very hard. Also, did you see? The defense looks good. Did you see what happened when Keem Hicks got hurt? Most important player. Changed a little bit.

Most important player. They started, the Vikings were able to run the ball very easily. Changed a little bit. But so the defense is good. I think the Bears defense, it's still, oh, it's very good. It's a defense that you could definitely win a Super Bowl with if you had an above average offense and everything broke the exact right way. But you don't and it stinks and we're going to have to watch the Bears in prime time again

next weekend. Flex it. When did they start flexing? They have to flex that. They can't do this anymore. I can't. That's the worst part about watching the Bears in a standalone game is the amount of tweets of like, how do you do this?

And I don't know. It's miserable. It's so, it's so fucking terrible to watch and it's so dysfunctional and like nothing works and it all sucks and they suck. And I know people will be like, well, they're frauds. No, if you listen to what I said from day one, I was not apologizing for five and one. Cause I was trying to enjoy the ride, but I knew this was a house of cards. I was realistic that this wasn't going to hold up.

I thought maybe with a five and one start, you can look into a playoff spot because you've already, you know what I mean? Like if you start five and one, you can reasonably finish the season four and six and maybe get into the playoffs at nine and seven. That's what I was hoping for. Yeah. But now guess what? No chance.

You also won too many games. Yes. So now your draft order is going to be all fucked up. It's all fucked up. You're not going to be able to get somebody good. So I don't, I know who's going to be available in the off season as a free agent. But yeah, you guys are fucked. Yeah.

You guys are just fucked. Well, they suck. In 2014, they said you can start flexing starting in week five, however, 12 days notice. Week five. All right. So 12 days notice. So they got it for this weekend. No, it's not this weekend.

It's next week. That's right. Cause it's on a bye week. Yeah. Yeah. That's nice. That's a good break for you. The world has it been like today.

It's so perfect that they're on a bye week because that will give me just enough time to forget what happened last night. You know what though? And be like, ooh, the Bears can beat the Packers. They're not going to flex it because it's Bear's Packers. They're going to want to see Aaron Rodgers. And they want to see us. They want to paint.

They don't want to see you happy, big cat. All right. What else? I mean, Kirk Cousins. Let's give him some credit. He won a Monday night football game. Yeah. Great job, Kirk.

Great job, Kirk. You've got Adam Thielen. Look pretty good. Justin Jefferson. Baby Braun. I can't decide which one's baby. Braun. We should do a baby.

Braun of the week. Yes. Just whoever's good at that point will claim them for LeBron James so he doesn't have to worry about it. Yeah. So that game sucked. And then obviously we're now tipping this on Tuesday so you're going to listen to this on Wednesday.

You watched the game two nights ago and then Theo Epstein resigned. So everything's falling apart for me. I knew that we, I think everyone knew it was going to happen because he was, he's always said I'm not, I'm 10 years and I'm out. This was year nine. So he, it's a year early, but it was, there was some rumors out there that he was thinking about it. Theo Epstein might be the best guy at his job, like ever in sports.

I don't, I mean, there's. In terms of GM's, there's not many out up there. Like he is exceptional and he deserves all the praise. If you get the Red Sox and the Cubs World Series titles, like, I know probably go do the fucking Mets. There are no more kingdoms. If he, yeah, if he gets the Mets, yeah, then switch over to football, get the Jets. It's a set.

It's sad to like see him resign politics. If he could, if he could get the Red Sox, the Cubs and the Mets, don't ruin it. And then if he were to make the Democrats take the Senate, those are like the four most impossible things to do in the world. He, he, uh, yeah, he deserves all the credit or, you know, yeah, all the credit, uh, for what he did in Chicago and it sucks, but it also, I understand he, he's a 10 year guy. He said that from day one. Uh, so I, I actually think he'll be the next commissioner.

He should be there. I think Manfred's got to be nervous because Theo Epstein's a fucking genius and, uh, everything he does turns into being great. And yeah, the Cubs aren't in a great spot right now, but who the fuck cares? Flags fly forever. Listen, there's, there's nothing that Epstein could do that would make him a worse commissioner than Rob Manfred has been. So all he has to do is apologize for his brother's acts.

That's right. Stay out of the island. Jeffrey. Yeah. No, that's actually, he's not related. Okay. So for the record, are we sure? Are we a hundred percent sure?

For the record, not related. Have you checked the flight logs? Is the goat? I love him forever. And, uh, he spends a lot of time, he spends a lot of time scouting teenagers. He had, Jed Hoyer's now the, uh, the head of the operations, also Theo gave back his salary. Well, I don't know.

Is it technically giving back if you quit? No, that's just quitting. You're not taking a salary. Well, but he could have easily, but when you, when you quit a job, then they don't have to pay you afterwards. Right. When you get fired. He could have done something.

He could get himself fired. He was getting paid. He was going to get paid $10 million dollars next year. He could have easily mailed that in. You think he's going to go to the Mets because I don't think no, no, no, he says you can't quit and then go to the Mets. No, he says you can take a year off, but I'm saying that like he could have easily just cash that check.

Yeah. So he deserves at least a little credit for that. I guess so. And the Cubs have had to fire a bunch of people on their staff because of COVID. So, um, you know, Rick, it's isn't rich enough, but yeah, that's sucked. So that's pretty much everything that's going on in the sports world. Everything sucks. Anything else before we get to hot seat, cool throne, uh, US soccer's back.

They went six to two. We did against who Panama. That doesn't count. Yeah. We'll take it. And then maybe even Tobago, maybe we can beat both those teams again. You know what? Let's do your tired idea now because then we'll do guys on chicks after a racilla.

Okay. So my tired idea is actually, it's a, it's a good hot seat. My tired idea is revolving around Twitter. So Twitter came out with fleets today, which is Instagram stories for your after Instagram copied stories from Snapchat stories. Um, so now you can send, you can post a story on Instagram and then you can see who looked at it, but you can't see an order of who you follow looked at it. And then people can reply to your fleets, wait on Twitter or Instagram on Twitter.

You fleet, you fleet now and then, and then where does it go? It goes out the top. I haven't seen one. Do you have it? You haven't gotten updated yet. Do I? Should I not? It's going to update naturally.

It updated naturally for me. Yeah. I hate updating. Yeah, it's the worst. So my tired idea is just an app that copies whatever the last iteration of the most popular social media was, and then it lets people use that. So for example, everyone's mad about Instagram, right? Cause Instagram also changed their layout.

You just come out with a product that's Instagram, but just the last one that they had. Yeah. And you just keep updating as they go one further, you go one behind them and then everyone goes to the old version. It's always the most immediate old version of that app. I like that. What? We don't like change.

Well, we don't like change. And it does feel like this is everyone's just chasing the heyday of vine. Just bring back vine. Vine. It was the most perfect app that's ever been invented. Vine was everything that TikTok and Instagram stories and fleets always wanted to be. Vine was the perfect app. Six seconds.

It also, Vine was like the greatest because TikTok, anyone, anyone can do anything because it's like, is it unlimited time on TikTok? A minute. No. Okay. Well, how much time? Think a minute. Okay.

A minute's a long time. In six seconds or less is very hard to do. So I feel like Vine. Daniel. Yeah. Vine was the perfect app where it was like. Yeah. Sex problem.

You addicted to sex. Yeah. Sex issue. That was a great find. There were all kinds. I still remember vines. Like individual vines. Yes.

It was amazing. You remember like maybe a year ago Twitter said. Saw dude. Okay. Guess what? We're going to give you the ability to send an audio tweet. What the fuck was that about? Yeah.

Who the fuck uses audio tweets? That's the stupidest shit that I've ever. You ever have someone send you a text message or audio text message? Those are the worst. I always just assume it's their butt rubbing against their phone and they did it by accident. Yes. Those are fucking terrible. With a butt tweet.

I just, and everyone says like just give us an edit button for the record. I don't want an edit button. No. I live my life by the seat of my pants. I just fire off. I fire and forget. I don't want to have to go back and edit shit. Everyone says give me an edit button.

I'm team not edit button. But no, literally no one was asking for an audio tweet. And fleets. Well, fleets. Fleets is kind of growing on me because it just, it seems like a cool. What does it say? Fleet. I don't know.

It's a giant boat. No, it's not. It's a group of boats. It's a group of boats. What fleets? It's Blake's. Film tweets, but it's not a group of ships sailing together engaged in the same activity. Oh, that's what a fleet is.

Yeah. Got it. I don't know. I don't know what they're doing. It's going to be great though. We just joked about that. There's people would be like fleet is boats. What are you talking about?

So the reason though, it's the Institute, it's the Twitter videos. The reason I know it's not going to work is because it doesn't even work for horniness. You can't, you can't really creep on people and see who's creeping on you if you're a horny person on it. That's the only way to make any sort of new social media app work is if there's an ability to get real horny up on it. Yeah, Billy. Really?

Oh, I wonder if there was an app to find other horny people. Other fleeters? Hmm. Hmm. In a proximity. Okay. Anyway. Go on.

He's talking about his app. Oh, he's talking about your app. Mark Cuban. Okay. That has nothing to do with fleet though. Yeah. Horniness. All right.

Should we do, either way, fleets, just, I feel like this is just the way for Twitter. I mean, I think we've said this before, but Twitter does this every so often just so people can complain about Twitter, which gets Twitter back in the news. It's very meta. It usually happens when Jack spends like a week and a half in isolation on a beach building a campfire for himself meditating. Right. And then he comes back.

He's like, I've got a great idea. I unlocked a secret to the universe. We're just going to copy Instagram stories. Yes. Yes. Fleets. All right. Let's get to Hot Seat Cool Throne.

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My hot seat. I have a few. My first one is Kyle Kuzma. Okay. Yes. He, the other day on Twitter asked the world who wanted a PS5 insinuating he was going to give away a PS5 or two. People got really excited and then there was a bunch of rumors about him getting traded

and he deleted his Twitter. Oh, so did he get hacked? Delete your account, fam. No, I think, I think he had like a very like, you know, subtweet, like don't worry about other people's opinions. Like that was his last tweet and then he deleted his account. That's too much drama. This league.

That guy's too much drama. What happens? Can you bring it back? You can bring it back. Right. Yeah. My other hot seats. That's kind of like a show.

That's a showy move. I, enough disrespect on my name. Y'all will be reminded. Peace and emoji. Great way to leave. And then Lil Wayne got arrested today for firearms, maybe going to jail for 15 years. But he endorsed Trump who can now pardon him for the next like Lil Wayne's got to be like thinking to himself, I've got what, 60 days.

Yeah. Yeah. Or are you conceding? I, not officially. Okay. So yeah, I mean, can't, I hope, I hope he gets out, can't, can't have Lil Wayne behind March 15 years. No.

So did he get like his house raided or what happened? Well, I think it was something like that is one of those things where he, he, well, he shot himself when he was way younger, like he picked up a gun accidentally shot himself. Then he got arrested a few years ago and the gun wasn't even loaded. And then in today's arrest, he, because he's a felon, you're not allowed to have guns, but he had guns. But in the arrest report, it's like, we knew he wasn't going to use them, blah, blah, blah. So it's like, he's just a bad gun owner.

He's licensed your guns. Right. In the, but he's a convicted felon. So he can't have it. But in the report, they're like, yeah, it seems like he was never going to use them. He never has used them, but he can't have them. So he arrested. So it's like, he's just, you know, a terrible gun owner.

He just loves having guns around. Right. Can't stop guns. Right. Got it. And then my cool throne is people who like my dog's phone or big cat, I guess, uh, Triggs. I'm going to send you guys this picture.

Triggs. I don't like your dog's boner. I've, I have stopped tweeting about your dog's boner. You have made me look at your dog's boner. You have now brought your dog's boner back into this show. Well, I mean, after it was brought on the first place, uh, by you, by you, by me, you, but then Triggs made this movie, uh, so now can we laugh about your dog's boner again or no?

The cartoon version. Yeah. Okay. The cartoon version. So if you want to send your dog's to, uh, the enormous adventure, we're going to tweet it out. It's on sale. If you want to buy a poster, buy a poster, probably the holiday gift of the season.

So wait. So now you're, you're making money off of your dog's boner, but I was wrong to tweet it. I never said you were wrong. I just said that big cat's addicted to you. You're also giving your dog your shame. I only tweeted it once. You're giving your dog the starring role in boner dogs.

Boner dogs too. Yeah, it's boner dogs. Okay. Got it. Okay. And we changed up some of the actors in there. So if you have the first boner dogs poster, you got to get the second one up to it. I just think it's a little suspect.

Efron, McConaughey, Wahlberg, Sandler, I've been accused of liking Hank's dog's penis too much. And now we're selling merch. It's, I mean, it, it's a, it's one of those things where your hands are, your hands are tied. Yeah. You're very hypocritical with your stance on your own dog's penis. Absolutely not.

I was the one that wanted to see you guys in the first place. Why don't you guys see in the first place? Oh, you're admitting that now. Okay. Good. Thankfully, at least we got there after you tried to shame me. I did not. I did not shame you.

I, I saw it on TV. It seemed like you felt shame. I was loving my life, not knowing how enormous your dog's penis was. And then you showed up and showed me and my life has never been the same. I think about your dog's dick constantly. I just don't like it because it looks like it hurts. It looks like he's sick. Oh, he's in pain.

It looks like he's got a lot of intestines falling out of his stomach. And he's in a lot of pain. Yeah. It looks like he's got a hernia. He's got a hernia. He's got a sports hernia. Is that a Hank? Yeah.

I said I have another one, but I don't want to. No, go ahead. No, do it. Go ahead. No, no, no. Positive vibes only. No, it's selfish and it's about me. No, Hank, let's hear it.

And this is, you know, it's the podcast about you guys. Go ahead. No, you do it. No, I don't want, it's fine. I don't want you guys to get mad at me. It's not a podcast about us, Hank. It's a podcast about friendship. Go ahead.

All right. Thursday, Big Cat's playing a double-header. I told you I didn't want to do it. No, no, no. You didn't want to do it. Big Cat electric match today. PFT lost today. So you guys, the entire broadcast, Big Cat's playing twice.

PFT's playing third. Mm-hmm. Starts at two o'clock. Make your picks to play Barstle out now. $2,000. Great. All right. Cool.

I didn't want to do that. I really didn't want to. Anything else? Fantasy Factory? Anything big coming? Fantasy Factory coming out on Thursdays. Make sure you go listen. I'll give one to Jake, too.

Go listen to the Bench Bob podcast. Also out on Thursdays. Yeah. Go listen to Jake's podcast. One reason to run today. College basketball's a matter. And Jake's going to cuss on the podcast. If he gets enough subscribers, that's nice.

Wait, one week from today? Oh. I see fleets. This is so stupid. Yeah. You got them now? Oh, no. Did you see the one I posted?

What the hell? We're actually really going to like fleets. I'm guaranteeing, like, give me a month. I'll be addicted to fleets. No. I just don't think, like, I'm pretty sure, and I'm not, like, a huge nerd with this stuff, but I'm pretty sure, like, you know, Instagram, when you put up stories, it, like, converts. Like, if you put up a story, like, go buy this shirt, a lot of people will do that on

Instagram stories. Right. But on Twitter, when you tweet stuff, and you're like, hey, go, like, buy this merch, whatever, the, whatever, people don't really do it. The conversion rate is very low. So I don't know if that's the same with fleets, like, there's no point. Can you swipe up on a fleet? I don't know.

That is what I'll be interested in. It's one of those things where it's like, you know, fleets are, fleets pop off. Do stuff based off fleets. I'm off. I'm off on fleets. Out. I'm out. All right.

P.F.D., what's your hot seat? Cool. My hot seat is master's ratings, and then by extension, my cool throne is NFL ratings. So this weekend. It was unlucky, though. It's kind of like the, it's the slate debate. Yeah. But hey, we have to make jumping rash conclusions about everything after these ratings come back.

Get broke. Right. So. The masters? Yeah. Yeah. So they just let Connolly's Rice be a member? Yeah.

Five years ago at Augusta. How does, how does, I don't want to say their name because they love whenever they're mentioned, but how do the ratings police spin this one? When it's been every sport across the board has been down in ratings because they're all being played at weird times, but then they only pick one league that's got, got woke and went broke. Well, also politics. The election coverage ratings were way down, which is people are sick of all the politics

and their politics. How do you spin that? It's like, yeah, there's really no way to spin it. But actually, I do admire the way that Fox managed to spin their numbers because Fox, they lucked into this one because they had huge ratings on NFL football. Of course. But they said a 71% increase over the last season. They had 18 million viewers most watch NFL regional window on Fox since 2009, just completely

leaving out the fact that they got all the games from CBS that were also on various Fox regional network. Listen, the ratings war is all about spinning it. I mean, we've been in it. You just, you just pretend that you puff out your chest. You pretend you're fucking peacock. Yeah. Remember when we had our one TV show and we had to be like, well, what does this mean?

Well, we had the streaming numbers and all that. Well, yeah. Everyone usually clock every like 70% of people that usually watch Jimmy Fallon watched us tonight. Right. It was like the big thing that we got to claim. Readings people suck. They are the worst.

And also the first 24 hours after the ratings come out, that's when you know everyone's wrong. Not to break the fourth wall. But if someone is talking about how big their show is like constantly, probably not. Yes. If they constantly can't stop talking about the growth of their show, probably not as big as they say. Because you can't play the percentage game forever.

Correct. You can't. Correct. Eventually you are what you are. Also, it's not necessarily the size of the show. Billy Billy's laughing. Say it. Say it, Billy.

Go off. Nothing. You're going to say something about golf. No, I wasn't going to say anything about golf. Just do it. Just say it. Say it. About wokeness.

I think watching golf is kind of like watching Seaspan. Oh, that's just me honest. Okay. Controversial. You know what? I think ever since they stopped letting people call in and report their own rules violations, I feel like it's less of a sport for me to watch at home. Golf coverage.

They'll never figure it out though. Like there were times, I was watching, I watched pretty much every second of the masters and there were times when you just couldn't, hey, I want to watch Brooks live. No, we're going to go to this fucking loser. There are too many rules about who you're allowed to watch and at what times. It's just, how does golf not have an option? Just give me everything. It's very simple.

Just put one drone that follows every single group. So even if they're not on the main TV cameras, you can at least watch them via drone. Right. Right. All right. Your cool throne? That was my hot seat and my cool throne. Oh, nice.

So my hot seat was the masters ratings. My cool throne was the Fox NFL double header ratings. All right. My hot seat is Sean Payton for medical malpractice because after the game on Sunday after he heard me say that Drew Brees actually had a shoulder injury, he went and punctured Drew Brees' lung. And broke two more of his ribs. Two more ribs so that then everyone could dunk on me. No, but seriously, I got that very, very wrong.

He still has a shoulder injury, but he did not. He has a real rib injury. I mean, I'm here ready to admit that I was wrong. I fucked up. I took a mecha-oca-4. It was very, it sucked because if you look at Adam Schaeffler's tweet of being like Drew Brees punctured a lung and had two rib injuries, you just scroll it. I think I was tagged 7,000 times.

You were very, you were very adamant. I still am adamant. He got too woke for a second. I am adamant. That's fine. Listen, we all jump to conclusions sometimes. Took my shot. You took your shot.

Also the shoulder injury. If you had been right, then you would have looked really, really smart. His shoulder's still hurt. But his ribs are very hurt. He's got four broken ribs, five broken ribs. I was very wrong. One punctured lung. He went, the punctured lung Drew, that was running up the score on him.

He looked like he was going to puke when he was walking off the field. Wouldn't you say? Yeah, he didn't need to come out with that. He didn't need to puncture his lung to really dunk on me. Like I would have been fine with just the five ribs confirmed broken. I would have been an idiot. But the punctured lung made me both an idiot and an insensitive idiot. So a punctured lung, it seems like there's been a lot of that going around recently.

Is that one of those things where whenever you break a rib too badly and it indents your lung a little bit, or does your lung actually deflate? Billy, you probably know. It's punctured. Yeah, it's punctured. So does it deflate? Yeah. Well, you have a hole.

How do you re... How do you seal the hole? How do you seal the hole? They actually... I think they... I don't know the exact procedure, but they have to like close the hole or it seals. Deflate. Yeah.

Flex seal. Flex seal. That's what I was thinking about. Slap it on there. Yeah, it's Billy Mays. Not Billy Mays, but Junkyard Billy Mays. You might get to Rod Taylor next year after he comes back from his puncture. Oh, that would be cool.

He would actually be a perfect bears quarterback. Yeah. Yeah, he would. He would actually maybe score some points. I don't even want to think about the bears anymore. It's just so fucking bad. All right, my cool throne. I actually don't have a cool throne.

Billy. My hot seat. I have one for you. Oh, go. This stupid fucking people... I'm talking a lot about Twitter, so maybe not, but the stupid like... They hand make like the Trump... This has been contested or whatever.

Oh, yes. Everyone, that's... That's... Yeah, very hot. This is false information. I have not seen a single one of those memes that has been funny. Right. I haven't even cheesed once.

I saw one under the Can't Lose Parley. Oh. That was funny. Parleys? Oh, wait. Cool throne in my spreadsheet. These guys didn't actually read the spreadsheet. No, no, no.

I will defend this because I have the writing. I have the writing. What did you say on the broadcast? The reverse Parley. Those takes 010 and 5, correct? Yeah. But guess what? The whole point of the spreadsheet was that you bet the other side too, so if it goes

0 and 5, you hit that 5 and 0 Parley on the other side. But Billy, there's... You go positive. So we're up $32. Billy, how many people follow you on Twitter? A good amount. How many? I'm kind of embarrassed about it.

No, just say it. It's not embarrassing for a cat. Thank you, Jake. That was embarrassing. 10X, listen to the podcast. So all those people that didn't get to hear the podcast or don't follow you on Twitter get screwed. No, but it won.

Actually, go check it out because I put it, how it won, and we've actually improved it for next week. Actually, it's kind of a really fun communal thing. We've improved it. We've improved it. We've improved it. We've improved it. Yeah.

There's like, you know... Crowd to stretch it. Hot seat. Is it possible? Baby Yoda? Is it possible to lose all your money in your parlance? No. You can't lose all of it.

It's impossible. Impossible to lose all of it. You can lose some of it. You can win a lot more, but you can't lose all of it. Or you could just bet on the games and probably not lose all your money. No, but there's a chance you lose all of it. But if you bet on every game... I just do this to budget to be financially responsible because like...

That's good. Responsible gambling. Responsible gambling. I'm helping people be responsible. Sorry. What's your... Hot seat. Baby Yoda.

Committed genocide. Another cool throne. Ben Roethlensberger. Don't ruin it. Ben Roethlensberger asked Mike Tomlin if he could do the coronavirus practice schedule again this week when he doesn't have coronavirus. Which I think is awesome. That is awesome.

He's just like, yo dude, like I think that worked last week. Let's do it again. Right. So he basically got two days off work because he hung out next to someone allegedly that he thought might have the coronavirus. He should hang out with... Who's the guy from Brazil? Paul Sinero?

Yes. Is he the president of Brazil that keeps getting coronavirus? Yes. He keeps catching it. Ben should just travel to Brazil on Monday and then fly back and be like, I got to sit out for the next couple of days. Oh, Ben. He's the best.

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We now welcome on our good friend, recurring guest. Been too long. It is Ryan Risillo, draft expert. Yeah, you're a draft expert. NBA insider. Watch all the tape, knows everything. Ryan, I'm told you talk to a lot of guys around the league. Is that true?

Everyone. Like on a weekly basis, would you say you talk to? Oh, yeah, probably, I don't know. It's probably around five a week, but I mean, some weeks you just don't want to talk to anybody either. And I'm sure plenty of times they don't want to talk to me, but you know, the funny thing is, is you can talk and talk and talk and even guys that do this for a living, work for teams, like you'll think something on, especially in a week like this, you'll think

something last week and there's multiple things that I've already changed my mind on based on information. So, you know, guys that get paid for it and have the pressure actually having to hit send on getting stuff right. Those guys have way more pressure than a guy like, you know, me or anybody that just talks to people and you're like, yeah, this could be something that's happening. You know, so we get off easy, but it sucks when you get stuff wrong. It's the worst.

Yes. I agree. Drew Brees. He does have a broken rib. I wasn't going to bring that up. I was going to bring it up on the show. I was going to let you skate. I brought it up beforehand.

Wait. Did you guys have a breeze insider? Yeah. No, I was, I was woke on him. I thought his shoulder was hurt and then they, and then Sean Payton further broke Drew Brees' lung to really stick it to me, to make me look like an asshole. It was one of those things that it was a take that big cat thought sounded at the time. And I do those all the time.

So I'm not in any position to judge, but at the time I was like, I think, I think you might be over the skis on this one. His shoulder still hurt. He was still hurt. His shoulder still hurt. Yeah. His shoulder still hurt. All right.

Let's talk about it. By the way, no, no, I'm going to interrupt you here though, because I just, I love that there's certain guys and I'm not even criticizing it, but there are guys that are like the quickest to go something's wrong with this dude, like all the time. So I feel like I'm the anti like, how do you know just by watching a guy that you think he's hurt all the time? Like it happens in basketball all the time. We're like, Oh, something's wrong with this guy.

And then you'll call me like, no, he's fine. He just missed a million shots and then he's not hurt. We call that that. So Russell Wilson has gotten into that territory now. It's the Steph Curry territory where Steph Curry is so beloved that if he has a bad game, everyone's like, well, his ankle must be hurt. Russ Wilson, when he's starting to play bad, everyone's like, well, is something wrong with him?

You did it though. You said something wrong. I know that's a joke. I know that he just he just kind of sucks right now or he hasn't been playing as well. Yeah, I think it has more to do with his defense. We had Dilferon on Monday and I go, what do you see? And he goes, he just knows he has to chuck it up all the time because that defense is so bad.

So all right, now I see what you're doing. I'm on to it. By the way, you said recurring guests long time. It's almost controversially long. How long has it been like a year over over a year? Well, about that. I'm not sure when you said that thing, you said Big Ben's no longer elite and we were like, what the fuck, dude?

You're off the show. Did Big Ben be COVID, by the way, the radar? He low key had COVID. So he came into work one day and he was like, yo, I think I think I heard somebody sneeze at the gym. Yes. Yeah. On the low.

He literally is Ricky Bobby. He just didn't want to practice. Yeah. He's Ricky Bobby getting stabbed in the leg when he pretends that he's paralyzed and then being like, dude, you're not hurt. He's like, no, I am. I'm really hurt. If there were ever.

Yeah. If there were ever an athlete that's like, you guys don't have home self kit test kits. Yeah. Like what? Like, yeah, I'm on kit. It's a Q tip and some candle wax and he's like, I tested positive, but I'm good. Yeah. What?

All right. NBA draft. So does this draft suck or is it that we didn't have March madness and the top picks are a guy who played in Australia, a guy who played for a shitty Georgia team, a guy who got suspended from Memphis and ain't no stop and OB Toppin and an Israeli dude. Which one is it? That's right. You're on it.

The Israeli dude. Yeah. It's a bad draft at the top and it may be historically bad and you know, I know the closer we get to this, it happens every year where it'll be a bad draft. And I remember a GM telling me this a long time ago, he goes drafts or like spring weddings where the closer you get to it, the more you're like, this is actually going to be awesome where the entire time leading up to it, you're like kind of dreading is the weather going to be good.

I don't know. I mean, I'm not big in the wedding game. I don't really understand the analogy, but I got the point that the closer you get to every single draft, the more and more people start to talk themselves into it. So this has become the, you know what, it's not great at the top, but there's a ton of depth. There's a ton of players all over the place. And I really think if you look at it historically, you know, those picks and you're seeing GMs

just give these things away now, but the picks, you know, late first, you know, 20 on. If you get a rotation guy, that's a huge hit. There's so many misses. So maybe it ends up being a better draft because there's more depth and there's some guys that make rotations and end up getting a second, third contract. So it's just really a lot for somebody that's outside of the lottery. Like that's a huge win as much as you kind of want to fall in love with your guy that's picked at 22.

But at the top, you know, you always hope every year there's maybe one or two guys that can really impact a franchise. And I'm not saying the handful of players that are in the league now that truly alter who you are as a team, because there's not that many of those guys. There's not, there's not 10 players in the league that completely change who you are as a team. And there's certainly not even close to as many as we think there are in the draft, but this one has a chance to have zero.

I can talk myself in and out of every one of the top. I like Wiseman. I've seen him play three games in college. Okay, that's ridiculous that I like him this much, but I like him this much in comparison to everybody else. Lamello, I can see it six, seven, six, eight sees the floor really athletic, great handle. But when I watched the 12 games that he played in the Australian League, it's impressive slash gross all the time because of his approach to the game.

And then, you know, even Anthony Edwards, who we understand physically how impressive he is, you're like, okay, so what did he do? He took eight threes a game for a team that lost all the time and didn't make any of them. So I want to actually ask a question about that because this is, this might make me like a hot take old guy, but how much do you put into being on like not being able to win at college? Like Anthony Edwards, like Ben Simmons, the LSU team didn't go to the tournament. Markel Fultz, that Washington team, Washington team was bad.

Is it wrong of me to be like, yo, dude, if you're like the number one pick or, you know, number one, number two, you should be good enough to win some more games in the SEC or is that unfair? It's part of it, but I still think it's unfair. I mean, think about Mello. When Mello came out, he was the ultimate winner. All right. Wait, he still is.

Yeah. Check the fucking, check the fucking gold medals, dude. You know what I want to hear one time is when a guy's up for the Hall of Fame, they're like silver medalist because you know, my, my longstanding, like the sooner you have to mention somebody won a gold medal in the Olympics, their argument to make the Hall of Fame, the worst their chances are of getting the Hall of Fame, except the part where everybody gets into the basketball Hall of Fame. So it's, it's not, it's not great, but like the Ben Simmons stuff I thought was always

kind of weird because he was lazy, right? And it's not that he was lazy. That team was a mess. They had like four guys that all thought they were the number one option. I don't know that the coach is that great all the time. And here he was supposedly lazy and he was double digit rebounds in, in SEC play. So if you're lazy, you're not going to rebound like that. So the Edwards part is like, I'm more worried about a shooting.

I think the weirdest thing if you wanted to go old guy is because of Steph's shot range and what's an acceptable shot for him. The same thing with Lillard, Harden, even Trey Young, he makes a lot of those, you know, from far out enough, like he can keep taking them because he makes enough of them. There's this entire generation of younger players that have seen guys pull up from 30 feet transition and they didn't even care if it goes in. They just pull up. Yeah.

25% on seven attempts per game into 12 games he played in Australia. Yeah. 20. I, I can't believe there wasn't like a vet that beat him up in the locker room at half time at one of these games, but I guess they were just all cool with it and apparently he bought the team or was buying it. So that might have been part of it, but there's a whole, there's a whole movement now of young guys.

Like it used to be, you didn't matter if the last second shot went in. You just had to take it because that's what Kobe did. Now it's become, I'll just pull up from 30 because that's awesome. Like, well, it doesn't go in like, yeah, but it's, it's pretty sweet. It looks. Yeah. Like the next iteration is going to be a guy who can draw fouls like James Harden, but absolutely sucks at free throws, but gets to the line like 40 times a game with Lamello.

Isn't it a little strange to you that LeVar ball has just been completely silent for what seems like the last year and a half? Where is he? Is somebody, is he tied up at a basement somewhere? What's going on with that? I think he's trying to get those big baller brand orders out that haven't been fulfilled in a warehouse. Yeah.

Yeah. We're out of eight and a half again. You know what I actually think part of it is, is he probably crossed the line at a couple of things that he said were for today's climate. Like some people probably didn't want to book them. I also know, at least from the ESPN experience, he was becoming a bigger and bigger pain in the ass for the stuff he was asking for. Like he would call up and be like, I want this car.

And then it was like, no, I want this car. And then get him that car. And then it's like, now I want milk and cookies. I heard a story about a milk and cookies request where they're like, all right, fuck off, like give me a break. I would give him the milk and cookies. That's the only thing I would offer him to come on, come back on part. Did he not get pitched to you guys?

He got pitched to me recently. He got pitched to us as soon as ESPN stopped having him on. And we were kind of, I don't think he liked us. No, I think we just kept on calling. I don't think he likes anybody. Really? We kept on calling with small baller. All right. So in the other words, I actually, I don't, I don't actually put that much stock into like your college team suck.

That's more of a old guy. So here's the other old guy thing. By the way, Washington's a great call because all they end up with all the five stars, guys that go in the front and they suck all the time. I was like, I watched him all. They have two guys in their first rounders again and in Jaden's a five star kid, six nine perimeter player. And then you watch him and you're like, what happens to you when you go to Washington?

Yeah, it's crazy. It's that we, it's the weird camera angle that always fucks me up. No, seriously, that that's the weirdest camera angle in all of sports to watch. There's some weird packed 12 angles. They're on. They have a weird one in football too. So here's the other old guy take or trying to figure this out. How much stock do you put into the difference between a 19 year old and a 22 year old?

Because I love this like obi top and he's old. He's 22. And then, you know, who's the Florida State Kid Williams, right? Patrick Williams, who probably would be a bull. He just turned 19 in August. So he's got to go up the boards because he just turned 19. Do you really fall into like what month you were born matters that much? I do, I do.

There's just enough information that backs it up that, you know, I remember like the old Dick Vitale on draft night when he was still on the draft, he would get super mad when like Keith Bogans doesn't go higher because Keith Bogans had been around for a while and like Keith Bogans is a bad example for my point. But like he stuck around for a little while was a nice player. But it's like whenever anybody would get drafted, it was older and then produced. People would say, you know, what's wrong with just taking a guy that was around for a bunch of years and now you know exactly what you're getting.

But based on projections and the rate of I go, if you're this young, the expected improvement, it's really not even debatable. Like, yes, there are exceptions and that's what I hate when people argue the exceptions, but the younger you are as a prospect and this league is especially in the draft. It's so hard. We've been over this a million times. It's so hard in free agency.

It's so hard with trades that that's why you'll see teams go like, yeah, maybe I could take the 21 or 22 year older and maybe he makes my seventh or a slot in the rotation and maybe I know exactly what I get. But it's so hard to add any next level talent. I'll take the younger guy and hope it works out. Yes, there are tons of busts all over the place. But if you look at it historically, you know, the better players end up becoming the guys that are drafted when they're younger.

And I remember one time Stern was got super pissed, which is rare when he was being interviewed after the playoffs. And I think it was an international report. It was like, what would you say about the product of all these high school kids out there running around? He's like, what, like Garnett, Kobe, LeBron, like on and on and on and basically Stern just totally owned him by naming 10 guys that were the best players in the league.

So so Ryan, how young is too young for you? Fifteens young. So you're saying 16 is OK. Yeah, for well, big guys, 15 maybe, but outside perimeter players. Yeah, that's what you're into. 16 year olds. What's happening? Yeah, what are you doing? Well, you know, a lot of times you're going to worry about the

you're going to worry about the international rights, which is always a problem. Child trafficking. Yeah, yeah, that's an issue. But then you'll ask, like I could I heard the new taking was going to be taken for point guards. OK, yes, yes, isn't it? Wouldn't there be a difference between taking like an older guy who is like a four or five, as opposed to a younger guy who like plays a different position? Like, is there any different expected rate of improvement by position that you play?

I got are we back on the draft sort of? Yeah, I know. Yeah, no, I'm talking about flow. I'm talking about basketball players. Look, I just knowing how how teams like when Janice was drafted, OK, when you watch Janice from the international video that you had, it was like, OK, he's pretty athletic and it's cool. But it looks like he was beating the shit out of junior high kids. Yeah, it was the weird.

The gym sucked. I think there was one game I watched where there were no seats. You know, like, I can't believe this guy is going to be in the draft. And then like, I don't know what to do with them. There's another kid named Pogoszewski, who's like seven one. I think he weighs like one 15, which is definitely thin. And he's playing in these games that are horrible. But with Janice, when you'd ask Milwaukee, like, what did you see? And they got out as a 15th pick,

like we could have taken somebody who was in college for a few years and known exactly where we were going to get. But we just figured out, you know what, we'll see what happens. And it worked out. And I love the fact that the guys that took them, then it was John Hammond, who was with Orlando now, is they weren't patting themselves on the back like they did a good job. They scouted them. They were like, OK, we're on this.

But they still were. They didn't expect this. And I can't imagine what they saw in some of the video because of the video that I had and great. And they went to see him in person and that kind of stuff. I'm OK with teams totally screwing it up for the high ceiling guy as opposed to taking something that you absolutely know because this league is so hard to add talent.

So you bring up Yanis, let's go off the draft for a second. Are the Bucks just doing the thing that the Cavs did where they're trying to build for the future for Yanis, being like, hey, we put a contender around you. And then Yanis is still going to leave in a year and a half. And then they basically mortgage their entire future to try to get a guy to stay for no reason. What the Bucks are doing is apparently what everybody's doing now.

Like I said at the top, like I thought the first round picks late were a little overrated, but it's just exciting. It's exciting when it's your favorite team and it's draft night. You're like, oh, man, we got this guy at 24. Be like, what do you do? Oh, he transferred Virginia Tech. Oh, I love him. He's super athletic. And then he's gone.

They don't even pick up his third year option. But now I think because teams have kind of figured out those picks don't mean a ton. Now they're just handing them out. And when you look at the Bucks and say, wait, in 2027, part of that Drew Holiday deal is a 2027 unprotected pick. That to me is insane slash irresponsible. I mean, sports. How many times have you thought you knew exactly who like the next

team was going to be for the next five years? And then all of a sudden you go, wait, what happened? Remember when they were the new thing? I mean, it happens in every single sport. But with basketball to think here we are seven seven drafts from now. There's this pick that's completely unprotected. That pick by itself could somehow end up being worth what Drew Holiday is. And except there's what two other picks that are unprotected

and then two other swaps. So they clearly went all in with Yanis. And I know I sound naive and I'm not because clearly keeping Yanis is the most important thing. But what would be wrong with Yanis going, hey, I actually do want to stay. So don't give a five first for a guy that you have one year of control of. Right. Right. It feels like they're doing the desperation thing when you just sit down.

And I've heard you talk about this before and the Bronn kind of did this to the Cavs where he let left them in limbo and left them being like, well, we don't really know what to plan for here because LeBron could leave. He could stay. He could leave. Like it's weird that no teams just sit down and like, hey, Yanis, are you leaving or are you staying? And if you're staying, we're going to do right. We're going to trade five first to convince you or we could just talk about it.

Right. Now LeBron would never talk to anybody about it ever. I mean, if you are management and you think LeBron is going to tell you anything, he is on his own and he will gladly let you trade for a million contracts and then he will bounce. And you know what? It has worked out for LeBron. So I'm not even knocking him for it. But this this league has become the opposite of any kind of collaboration whatsoever. And so you have a ton of GMs, especially now with so few sellers.

You have a lot of GMs overpaying because of the seller buyer ratio and the fact that so many guys are operating fear. Like I I was surprised that people knocked Phoenix for giving up as much as they did. And I'm like, well, first of all, they got off of Rubio's money. They get Chris Paul. And if you're a stale franchise, like it's different for every franchise. If you're a team like Phoenix, you're like, OK, we've got Booker and Aiton, and those guys might be really good.

But the longer we go, not making the playoffs, one of them might get pissed off. And maybe it'll be Booker, which I mentioned a couple of weeks ago. And then you're like, all right, well, do we do we really like when we get Chris Paul, all of a sudden we matter in a way we haven't mattered in years. So let's just go ahead and do it. So that one kind of makes more sense. But I really for some of these organizations that have this gun to their head to overpay for all this stuff, when all they had to do was like kind of be more

on the same page with the guy's decision like a Yanis. It just like if I were Yanis, I'd be like, wait, so what happens in three years? We don't have any picks to trade and I resigned. But you got rid of all the picks. And now we have less things like a trade deadline. We can't move a first for somebody because we gave them away through 2027. I don't understand why people think this is like normal. If the if the if the idea was to make these trades to keep Yanis long term,

it actually is counterintuitive. The honest should not stay now long term in Milwaukee. He should be happy that they're trying to win right now. But long term, he should be like, no, wait, we don't have any asset. So it could have just been like almost from a PR standpoint. The team shows that they're willing to make this big which they did with LeBron. Knowing that Giannis might leave at the end of his contract. And then they're like, look, we did everything that we could to keep him around.

We even tried to make our alternate jerseys look like the Miami Heat Jersey. So you feel like he was playing in the whole new stadium. Yeah, we built it on the water. So he thought we tricked him and told him it was the Atlantic Ocean. So yeah, I could see it being like a PR move. But I had a question for you about James Wiseman, because I think you and I have the same take about James Wiseman, even though you know a lot more about basketball than I do, which is he looks awesome when he dunks.

He looked just when he was playing in those three games. His dunks were like, that that's a dude that could be dunking on people that are at least six inches taller than they are on that same court. And then obviously he's, you know, he could be in position to be picked by the Warriors. But do you think that the Warriors are even going to take Wiseman or do you think that that he's going to be put on the move? I don't know that the trades that every like Minnesota's pick was apparently available, Golden States was apparently available.

And I think a lot of us with the outside will always say, oh, why don't they just trade the pick, trade the pick? You're like, OK, for who and what and who's available? Like Bradley Beale, you know, I don't know that number one in a bad draft gets it done for Bradley Beale. And then you have to worry about is Bradley Beale, because that's the other part. So we could sit here and name guys. It's like, OK, but if you trade for somebody who then is immediately

to go, I don't want to be here and you're just inheriting somebody else's problem. But Wiseman, the thing I like about him is, yes, the size and all that stuff, he catches everything. So at his worst, you know, if he's this big guy that can stay on the floor at the end of games, which is what you need now, especially out West. And if you were Golden State, I would think it would almost make sense roster wise. But it's still asking a lot of a kid who played three games at Memphis to be closing playoff games in the Western Conference.

But the league got small and then it got big again. I mean, you have to figure out a way to deal with Anthony Davis and that size and LeBron, who basically is bigger than every other wing. Like, it's a real problem and it was basically hopeless. I thought for the Miami Heat with the way they were built, even with those injuries. I didn't really think they had enough in that front line. But Wiseman also has another level that I don't know if he's going to get to. But he'll show it with his handle.

He'll show a really soft touch where he almost has some of these offensive small forward skills that you start to get really, really excited about. The downside of it is there'll be moments where you can see it's not natural. Like, he'll have the ball and then he'll think through all the different things that you could potentially do. It's almost like a slow download speed and you're like, all right. So I've caught myself probably too many times. Like Strowmile Swift is my all timer was like, this guy's going to be nasty.

And then you're like, well, the dunks are nasty, but he's not great at the basketball part of this. And it doesn't it doesn't really work out. Tyrus Thomas, Big Cat knows, jumps through the fucking roof, just on. And then he like could bring the ball up at LSU. Like he started showing all these perimeter skills. You go, oh, my God. And people loved him like he was a late riser.

And it was just like, look, he's got perimeter skills. And he's this insane. And he's like a tier one NBA athlete as soon as he's in the league. But I try to catch myself and go, okay, but how good is he at basketball? Like, is he good at the basketball part? Like Patrick Williams of Florida State, he looks incredible until you watch him dribble or shoot, which are big deals. So maybe somebody figures it out.

And that's why, you know, that's why this still is so hard. So like any of these guys at the top, if we were sitting here in five years going, hey, Wiseman's the 10th guy on a team and he never figured it out. I'm not going to be shocked by that either. And that's why the top of this is different. Where Zion comes in, the only thing that was ever going to hold Zion back is his own conditioning and health. Because if Zion's healthy, he's going to dominate in this league.

We just, it was so much more obvious. A guy like that compared to anyone here at the top. Yeah. See, Wiseman should just get fat. He should intentionally get fat. I've been arguing for a while. Like we need a dude with a big, like Shaq-esque body to just eat up space and back people down because you don't have to be as good at basketball

if you're a seven foot one and 300 pounds. So if you miss post play, is that what you're saying? I miss post play. I missed the 90s days back when, you know, you had, you had guys like Hakim Elajwan that knew how to do a skyhook and knew how to use a pivot foot. Nowadays, it's just all three pointers and dunks, not for me. Sad. I'm a terrific, I'm a terrific post player, terrific.

I'll put that up against anybody. But then yesterday, I was telling big cats and guys were like hitting on me at the at Hoops, trying to ask me to play with them. It was weird because you were backing them down too hard. You're sending the wrong signal. No, no, they just saw me. They saw me shooting around a little bit. And, you know, I was trying to be COVID safe.

So I didn't really want to play pick up with anybody anyway, but I just wanted to get some shots up, get a little sweat in. And I think they were high as fuck as they reeked. They I think one guy was playing in sandals, but he was really nice. But then he was they were asking me how much I weighed. And they had a bet on it, which I thought was kind of cool and complementary. You know, so I was like, I don't have to tell you. So I told my weight and they got excited.

And then it just immediately went into, hey, do you guys want to join? You want to join my buddies and I on a text thread and we can we can pick. And I was like, no, I actually don't want to give you my cell phone number. But I'll just be around. You basically just met the West Coast Billy football, because that's something Billy football would absolutely say like, yo, how much you weigh? Like I'm looking at you right now. You're looking pretty solid.

I don't know. What's up with Billy football's arms? I thought he used to have big arms. That's a good question, Ryan. So he joined. He doesn't have his he doesn't have a head. He joined a Jenga team and then he cut his sleeves off. And then he chose the only guy in the office that has bigger arms on his. So now he looks like he's got a little earthworms hanging from a show. Billy hasn't done curls in days. It's bad.

He asked what's up with your arms, Billy. Tell him. We're still I'll bench you 100 percent. How much you've mentioned how it is? You know, I don't want you to get out of high school. You don't max a ton. I know I'm out of college. I still don't max some bikes.

No, I can bench more than you. You probably can, man. I don't know. What are you? What are you? What are you max? Well, right now I'm probably hovering around like two eighty five. Max. Oh, it's not a lot to brag about. That was fucking tough. How would you? How would you? I put up three fifteen three times today.

Fucking around. Get back to me in a couple of years. You're probably a short arm. That's man strength. No, I'm not a short arm guy. Yeah, I don't know if you caught this. No, I don't. You must have missed the part. But my post thing we like six six.

It's stupid. Oh, it's funny. Thing is, I'm sure that Ryan actually knows exactly what his wingspan. Yes. No, six six. He's got a new fighter chart on his wall. That's that's in the draft notes. Yeah, Ryan or so six six wingspan. It's stupid. Silly strong. I can't believe you're at two eighty five.

No, I squatted. I squatted embarrassing. Oh, we're doing squat numbers now. Yeah, my squat was my best lift. Go ahead. Say your squat numbers squatted over four forty. That's great, man. Some talk to me when you're forty five. OK, dude.

Anyway, two eighty five. I didn't know what kind of a bench you would like bench guy he was. No, but two eighty five. Like, don't go around. No, that's what it is now. Like, Billy, Billy, Billy, Billy. You were so confident. I assumed you were going to say like three sixty five or something like that.

I don't have at least three plates on and you can't come out. Really, when you go out in public, you represent us and you're telling people that you benched two eighty five. That's embarrassing, dude. Well, now I mean, I'm not like I dropped. Like you guys made fun of me for being fat. So I don't like my body weight's lower. So you got to do that.

That was like two forty. Like I was benching way more. But then everyone was like, oh, belly football. Fuck, I got to drop weight now. I'll be honest with you. I don't care how fat you are. If you can throw up three plates, then then I'm fine with that. Yeah, I've been in the past.

I'm just I'm disappointed with that. And Ryan just being like, I was fucking around this morning and threw up three fifteen like he wasn't even bitching seriously, dude. He was warming up. He was just having a laugh. Anyway, love to live with you, Billy. By the way, don't let them. It's clearly they're getting in your head.

Don't worry about the big thing at all, man. Big is in. Yeah, well, yeah, but this is a different work dynamic. I think we can all agree on that. And by the way, when when Big Cat says you represent us, Van Pelt said that to me one night and scolded the shit out of me. And it sucked to hear, but it also wasn't a lie. Yeah. And then later on, I was like, hey, then.

But later on, you become your own person. You go, I don't want to hear that. Well, what did you do to have him say that he benched to seventy five to eighty five? No, I told I told somebody to fuck off. I don't think well, I haven't done in a long time. I could maybe hit three hundred. Yeah, I know the excuses are coming. We're right. Right.

What did you say you told somebody to fuck off? I told somebody to fuck off one night and he didn't really love it. So whatever, it was a long story. But, you know, he was fair. It was fair. It was stern, but it was fair. But yeah, Billy, seriously, man, you're you do have long arms. Your arms from this angle look better. I'm trying to build you up a little bit.

But you can't if you can't put up three fifteen right now, you shouldn't start like stepping to other guys about Max. I know, I know. Billy, you already knew this. You already knew this. Yeah, I know. You're suspended from cardio, Billy. Billy's and I love you guy, Ryan.

I don't know. You I like Billy. You probably had those guys in at ESPN. So Dion once told us it was a very apt thing like about the locker room dynamic. He's like, there's at least two guys in every locker room that tonight love you guy, where you have to check in with him and be like, hey, man, I love you like straight up. I love you just so that they don't go crazy. That's Billy. No, no, that's not.

I love you guy by any means. Sounds like you're in Antonio Brown. Tom Brady literally is making love to Antonio Brown to keep him like playing football, keeping living in his house. He's the ultimate. I love you guy. You too. This is awesome because every time it sounds like big cats going to compliment Billy, it's not. No, I mean, that's the whole.

And then every now and then I might be a podcasting. I love you guy. Now I think about. Yeah, you are. I love it. No, Billy. No, for real though, podcaster world. I mean, yo, Hank, cut this part, cut this part. I love you, dude. I I don't believe that. Yeah, I love you, for real. Anyway, I do like Billy, though. I do. We had a big influence on me when I was 18 and we came to ESPN.

He doesn't want to hear that, though, Billy, because now he's like that. No, it's a compliment. I was like, that's the kid that I looked up to and only benched 285. What was the big influence? Well, I just like we went to a show and it was like really like big for me. I was like, it was like I was it was so cool to see like what was going on. It was like a big moment in my life. OK, but you're leaving out you're leaving out a very important part.

You didn't know who I was at all. I look, I'm the I was eight, like, you know, I don't listen to the radio. I was 18, but now I'm like, I got into that world. I was like, wow, like, you know, like podcasting is a gateway drug to radio. Yeah. Yeah, this is what is the best in show. It's like Sting or no, Zoolander Sting is one of my heroes. I don't really listen to I was like, wow, this guy's really cool. I would be like this guy.

When did you bring 15? When did you like like really start like when did you bench? Like, I'm going to all right, I'm going to look understand. I was absolutely I'll tell you the story right now. Perfect. Keep this in. Um, I can't believe we ended up on this or whatever. It's pretty. I was skinny, skinny, skinny, OK?

Like and that's why I always think it's ridiculous that like if you call somebody fat, that's like, hey, you shouldn't do that to fat people. It's like, well, where were the skinny rights? Where were the skinny people rights? Like no one ever thought about skinny people. And I got I mean, I ended up having to go like a specialist at some point. I was so skinny. And that's also another thing that's happened where there's still guys in

college and college, I started to fill out a little bit like 185, 190 towards the end. But my friends get so mad when everybody thinks I'm like this epic tough guy now because I'm big and I don't smile, which is probably just all because I don't have hair and it's all sort of some way to compensate. It's some connection. But like one guy in an email thread got super mad when somebody was talking about how tough I was, he's like, I'm so fucking sick of hearing about this. Like you were nothing in college.

I'm like, I'm not saying it. I'm admitting it like, you know, none of us. We went to Vermont. No one ever kicked any of our asses. It didn't matter because there was no one there. So the point is, is that I got sick of that to the point where I was like, all right, this is it. And I filled out at like 26.

And then for whatever reason, there was one day and I'll never forget Boston Sports Club, Watertown, I put on 225, which I can only do a few times. And then I asked a guy for a spot and I did it 13 times. And in the guy thought I was messing with him because I was like, Hey, can I get a spot? He's like, how many? I was like, we'll just see how it goes. I'm like, hopefully a few good ones.

And I just, I don't know. It was like some magic trick where it just all came together. So for the people out there that don't have that strength right now, you know, sometimes everybody's late. I was a super late bloomer and then for whatever reason, like right at 28, it was in all my man strength happened. And then it was just, you know, off the charts. Now I'm hurt all the time, but that's just because I don't want to lose any.

So it was just that one day or from that point on, you, you like from that point on body, it was so weird from that point on. It was never to say it was never the same. It wasn't like the next time it was a fluke. I couldn't. It's so weird. And I'll never forget the guy looked at me like, what are you fucking with me? Like you needed a spot because I was just like, no, no, don't touch it.

And I was like, Oh my God. You know, it was like the end of some 80s movie where you're just awesome all of a sudden. So right now, Billy's too polite to be asking this question. But I can see the wheels turning in his head. Billy wants to ask you what type of steroids you took before you hit the gym that day. He's not going to ask it. So I'll show us your nipples. Where? Where did it correlate?

Was there any correlation with the hair loss? No, you know what? It started coming out in 01 and was the first time a buddy did like a white. There was a weird angle at a house party and he was like, you know, he is one of those guys. His hair was thinning. I was at that point, the young guy in the group. I was always the young guy in the group. And then I magically became the old guy in the group, which happens, I guess.

But he was like, whoa, whoa, we're still over. So hold on, hold on, hold on. And I'm like, what? Like, what did I do? And it was right in front of everybody at the party in like he had me sit down at a bar stool, like by the kitchen island and started examining it from up top. It's like, dude, you're going to go bald. And I was just like, no, I'm not. And I remember there was a hairdresser that I would go to.

And I was like, hey, sometimes I feel like it's fallen out. Like what's going on back there? She's like, you're good. She's like, you just have really thin hair. It's not a big deal. And then the girl I was seeing at the time was already like kind of prospecting a bit like a goldmine. She's like, what do you think you would do if you did?

Like you probably get it fixed, right? You probably get plugs or something. And I was like, yeah, definitely. And then for whatever reason, I didn't. I try to get propitia from a doctor in Boston. And it was like the best combo ever. I was like, hey, my shoulders kind of messed up. But I'd like to start training differently.

And I also like propitia. He was like, no, and no. And then I lost all my hair. Have you thought about becoming the wig guy? Yeah, to pay. I would love to have a to pay. I just can't believe there's never been a pro wig phase ever. Right? Right.

How come there hasn't been like, you know, hey, remember when wigs were in in the late 90s? How come you change that, Ryan? Because I think everybody's waiting for someone brave enough to be the first guy to do it. I want to do it. I want to go bald so I can have a to pay and like dare people to bring it up.

No, seriously. I want people to be like, you know, you got to pay. I'm like, what the fuck are you talking about, dude? This is all real. Ryan, what if you showed up backwards? Yeah, like I want to dare people to say, go ahead. Say something, dude. Say something about my to pay.

I know you're looking. Have you ever called somebody out for a to pay? Because I'm bad at noticing them. Yeah. No, but look. Carl Ravich. Carl Ravich, Bill Self. Low key the bald guys nowadays, like they give off low key,

like Johnny sins vibes, which is totally not a vibe. So like, we're still kind of like, all right, Billy. That's enough for Billy. We're done. We're done here. I've never taken steroids, by the way, Billy. Do you know, Billy, you don't have to. You don't have to take steroids.

I never did. Do you want to be on his podcast, by the way? Yeah, I like Billy. Yeah. Billy's podcast is literally who's taking steroids. That's the name of the podcast. And you just guess who's taking steroids. It comes out every day.

He looks at the most recent shirtless pictures of guys, like athletes that came out and he examines the nipples. Yeah, Billy's onto something, though, because, you know, the next the next asshole that goes, how I got ripped during the pandemic. And it's like on Hollywood reporter and men's health and all this stuff. And you're like, you just did a fucking cycle.

Yeah, it's such a bad. It's such a bad thing. Like, oh, which Avenger got ripped in the last two weeks. And you just like, you know what? It's totally unfair to the rest of us that are all natural. And it's just playing the guys like Billy. It's in his there. And it's in it's in his head constantly.

Right. He doesn't need to be looking at at Hawkeye's lats. Yeah. He's standing. He's standing up for you. Who is that guy recently who got ripped? I never mind. Ronnie Coleman.

No, Mike Tyson. Yeah, I sent Mike. I sent a picture of Mike Tyson to Billy last night. I was like, check out his nips. Let me know what you see. And he's like, well, he did steroids back in the 90s. Well, he's always talking about how steroids don't make boxers good.

And it's all scaly. He's like, yeah, no steroids couldn't make you good. Yeah. I'll tell you what, it puts it makes you get in really good shape pretty quickly if you're about to fight. Yes. Yes. Yes.

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On the Ryan Rosillo? Are you guys no longer investors? No, we still do co-own the team with a lot of other people. Sean Marion, one of them, amongst others. But RJ Hampton, he was going to be a lottery pick going into this year. I saw some mocks that had like between 10 and 20. Anywhere in that span.

Where do you see him? Yeah, that's about right. I think 10 is probably the earliest you could go. Maybe Tyrell Terry, somebody he's competing with, because they're both guards that are probably probably completely different types of players. RJ is the best athlete in the draft. Maybe some would say it's Anthony Edwards because Edwards

is bigger and very athletic and all that kind of stuff. But RJ, I never would worry about him being out of shape. His high school numbers aren't sane. He reclassified so he could go out earlier. I got to talk to him. He told us on the pod, he's like, you know what? I was going to go to Kansas, which I thought was pretty interesting because he caught a ton of heat

from Duke fans. I think Duke fans got more mad about it than anybody else. Where is, if we were doing a seeding of 64 types of people, would a one seed be adult who goes after recruits on Facebook when they turn down their school? Is that a one seed? That's a strong two seed. I think for me, the number one seed is always

going to be adult male autograph seekers. That and then so that's definitely guys that come with like the luggage and then sometimes they'll make kids run up to the players and try to get the autographs for them. That's one seed in the east. I think one seed in the Midwest is dude who updates his team's record in his Twitter bio

or the Twitter handle unironically. That's almost, hey, I'm telling you, if you have a team's record in your handle or the more emojis, the worse the content. It really is amazing. You're like, oh, Aries, Moon, Fire, Thumbs Up. You can be like, okay, you're on top of every piece of breaking news.

Like you always have stuff to say about that. Have you guys ever had to deal with autograph seekers or is it only selfies? You've done autographs, but it's almost all selfies, which are not bad because like, you know that the person just wants a picture with you. If it's an autograph seeker, which you see at the Super Bowl sometimes,

and these guys are just like the slimyest weirdos. I don't know what hole they crawl out of, but they're just really strange guys that you absolutely know at some points did a bid for some weird shit, and they're just like sitting there with their stack of merchandise, sending their little minions out to run errands

from like their Oliver Twist orphans. It just creeps me out. Do you know what that's the cousin of now that it's popping in my head? That's cousin of dad who has his kid take a picture with the cheerleaders, which it's clearly for him to look at later. You see that happening, you're like, whoa, dude.

I'm sure they're one of the same. You're the Hooters waitress. Like, hey, get a, you know, Tommy, go ahead, take a quick picture real quick, you know? Like it's just a little eight year old with all these cheerleaders, and he's going home and he's looking at that picture. He hasn't figured out that Mr. Skin exists.

Yeah, no, that's a good one. Like I remember coming home some times when I was younger and I turned the TV on, be like, why is club MTV on? Brooke, what's her name? Brooke, whatever, with E Wild On. Wild On, Terry. Yeah, but also Brooke something.

Fuck. Brooke Burke. Brooke Burke, yep. What about, what about guys that retweet porn on to the timeline? They're like, see, see like a 10 second clip of porn, and they're like, I got to share this. Or dudes who buy on their favorite porn stars,

Amazon Wishlist, that's awesome. You'll never believe what I saw, it was some boobs. I need that. The porn catfishing right now on both Instagram and Twitter are out of control. They pick up around the holiday season, and as somebody who's been by himself for quite a while, I've had moments where I was like,

all right, like if I get catfished right now, like, all right, and then I got one on Christmas from like a Russian bot, and I was like, on Christmas, on Christmas, you had to do this. But what I love when you'll see like, okay, who'd I get followed by? Like, okay, this is like seven different people here,

and all the pictures are posted in the last 30 minutes, and then I'll see like they follow you and PFT, and then like Craig Killborn will be followed or something like that, and then you'll see one of the dudes follow back. And I'm like, up horny alert. There are a handful of guys that we work with here in the office

that no matter what, if there is an attack. You could just say Glunny Balls. If there's a girl that tweets at you and you go to her profile, they're always followed by one of the- It's Instagram- No, there's a handful of guys in the business. No, it's like, yeah, the Instagram hot chick,

it's always Glunny Balls like this picture. Yeah. Which I admit to, actually. I actually think that it's less of a horny place when he just likes it. He's just like, cool. I don't have a problem with that. I think there's times when you're like,

this seems a tad sketchy that this guy that's a very important decision maker is following every weather girl in New Mexico. Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. That's true. He's a gambler. He needs to know what it's gonna look like on Saturday. Yeah.

I'm in talent. I'm in talent evaluation. Yeah. It is the best part about our job where everything is out in the open and you can't really like ESPN if you caught, I don't know, if you caught SVP following a porn star. People are like, holy shit.

It's like, I follow porn stars. People try to get me every now and then. I'm like, yeah, dude, I follow them. Like, yeah. Yeah, you guys have, there's no, no one can come in to you guys with any of that stuff. Yeah. You just like, oh, busted.

Yeah. It is on brand. It's kind of liberating to have, well, a combination of like expectations be so very low, but also just like all our dirt's in the open. Yeah. Like you can't, you can't blackmail us. Follow PumaSweet.

What do you want me to do? I used to like her five years ago. Whatever. I still do. PumaSweet. Yeah, that was good, Ryan. Yeah, nice. That was good.

You've worked on that. I'm not familiar. All right, wait. My biggest question I have for you, is there any stopping Obi-Toppin? The only stopping Obi-Toppin is himself probably, right? God, you fucked that up. Father time.

Ain't no stopping Obi-Toppin. How much do you put into a team needing to, they're the blogger who covers them needing to sell t-shirts. How much do you put that into draft stock? Cause I really just want Obi-Toppin on the bull so I can sell ain't no stopping Obi-Toppin shirts. You could probably still sell them. You could go RJ Hampton's dad,

which I believe the story goes that whenever there was a chance he was going to sign with a team, his dad would show up with RJ Hampton on a t-shirt with that team's name on it and then sell them. So he'd sell them to like Duke and Memphis and Kansas. And that makes me, that to me is not a red flag. That's a, hey, all right, like this is, he's going to have some of that DNA

and pick everything out. Obi beat on college kids. And yes, he's a little bit older, but the way he would post and destroy people and the transition dunks, like when you watch him in snippets, it's unbelievable. But he's somebody who I worry about a little bit of like, all right, how much of this transfers over to the NBA?

And defensively, when you start to hear all he was bored and he was just getting ready for the pros and all that kind of stuff. You're like, well, I would have, I would have liked to see him be less bored in some of these games. So he's all over the place. And that's kind of the story of the top of the draft.

Like if you had me, I could do first take solo for a week, not a week, a week would be a long time, where I could be sitting in a different suit on either side, like trashing a guy or totally building a guy up. And that's just how wild the top of this is. That actually sounds like a great show that I would watch. So wait, all right. So then give us your top five,

give us your top five, like just straight list them. All right. Well, let me pull up my files here. Now, Ryan, this is different from a mock draft, right? It's correct. No, no, no, no, no, no. So you can't ever be fact-checked on this because this is just your big board.

Your best player available. It's not like, oh, the T-Wolves are going to do this. It's literally, if you had one through five, how would you rank them? By the way, when we put this clip out, have it on the screen. Ryan, we're still in this mock draft. Yeah.

Yeah, you know what I'm saying. So you bet, yeah, BPA. How does that make sense? I should just do something different. All right, you know what I'm going to do? I'm going to give you my top four, and then my fifth one is going to be no one else's top five, and I'm just going to say them because I like them that much,

and I kind of can't understand why not, all right? All right, so it's Wiseman, it's Edwards, it's Halliburton, and I'm going to put Lamello in there just because of the ceiling and the chance that this could actually work out. I think a Kongu should be mentioned with this group. I do like Denny. I love Kyra Lewis from Alabama.

OK, so he's number five. I'm going to put him five just to be, so we, you know, in a few years, if I kill it with this, he'd be like, oh, my gosh, I can't believe we're still called that, and if more often than not, it'll get forgotten whether or not it works out. No, never bring it up. No, I mean, let's be honest.

This interview, the biggest takeaway is that Billy benches 285. That's what everyone's going to remember. Right now. That's what we're talking about, Billy. I bet he's over 300 before, right now. But you set the term limit as being right now when you asked Ryan how much he

benches right now. You could say you could give us all your hot takes, and there's only one thing that's leading this interview. I benched 285. I know, and I was trying to avoid it. I was trying to avoid it, and then it's like, no. It's embarrassing, Billy. It's embarrassing that I could bench as much.

I could probably be benching like 500. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, right to Ryan. Well, Ryan also likes him young. 28, 28. Yes. As we've discussed earlier. All right, so wait, so James Watson number, all right. And then I also, in current NBA, are you, like if,

is James Harden really going to go to the Nets? Is that the most hated team on paper of all time? I love Durant. I wish he didn't like Kyrie, but even the people that liked Durant were like, I hope it happens because he already, like to me, he and Kyrie hit it off at some NBA weekends, and then we're like, let's go do this.

And I still can't wait. I almost don't want that to be disturbed to watch that also not work, because Kyrie, it's so perfect. And the only people that stick up for him are the people that he hasn't played for. Right. So it's like, who knows it better?

The people that were in it. And I don't care that he left Boston. I care that he handled it as unprofessionally as you could have. And I'm not even talking about lying to an arena full of people before the season starts, saying, hey, oh, if you'll have me back, there's another way to do it.

Besides, if you'll have me back, I'd love to stay here. But towards the end, he was, like Boston's actually done a really good job not letting all the negative Kyrie stuff getting out, because I think the Celtics franchise don't want to be seen as the guys that are just dumping on somebody being petty, because then they don't want to make it be like,

oh, that's how they treat their players after they leave. But if Harden were to go there, because there is so much anti-KD stuff, because he went to the Warriors, even though I love them, that doesn't bother me as much, I get it. The Kyrie stuff we've already been over. And Harden, who think about this,

everything Houston did was because of you. They ran a style that made you one of the most prolific players in the history of this game. But I also think Houston's style is, it's almost like the best Instagram filter. Maybe Billy can help us with this, but I don't know what it is, is it Gingham?

Where when you go play in Houston's system when it's Harden, you're 25% better, you just are. Like they spread, I mean, think about all the guys that are like, man, Austin Rivers is pretty good. Look at Daniel House, like this guy's sick. Covington looks like a terrific player all of a sudden. I don't even know what Capella's gonna look like not being with a guy like Harden.

And so they go and get Chris Paul because Darryl Moore is trying anything he can. He's got this system. It's working at least from a regular season standpoint. They win 65 games two years ago. He realizes he doesn't wanna play with Paul. Paul didn't exactly really wanna play with him. They trade him for Westbrook.

They give up all of these picks in the future to take on Russell Westbrook and his extra money, even though Paul's the better player. And yes, he's older, but with shorter money. And they do that for him. And just because they didn't let Harden shine in on the Silas hiring, which is hilarious too, because there's these reports

that both Westbrook and Harden have been super respectful of Steven Silas's hiring. Yeah, except for the part where they won't talk to him and they both won out. Okay, cool. Yeah, other than that, it's been awesome. And so they do this Westbrook deal, which is clearly not gonna work

and is a bad financial investment. And now Harden is to the point where he's like, yeah, I won out, but I only wanna go to one team. The only reason I wanna have it happen is twofold. I can't wait to see what it is in Brooklyn because it's still about acquiring talent. So everybody would probably do it, especially if you're giving up the pieces

that Brooklyn would be reportedly giving up. But then I wanna see Houston fans that have come at me for six, seven years, I would say, maybe five, not eight. But for a really long time arguing, as I've said, hey, I don't like watching this. I don't think it works. It actually came very close, so I give them credit for that. But Harden is propped up probably by like 25, 30%,

which is these absurd usage rates. Do you realize that Harden last year of all the players in the NBA, of every offensive Houston possession, he had the ball in his hands for just over 50% of the time. So every time Houston was on offense, the ball was physically in his hands for over 50% of the time.

Now you could say, well, that's great. Look at all the production, look at all the stuff that he put up, but I'm not even saying, like he's terrific, he's awesome, he's healthy. He plays every game. He gets to the rim, he's got this body that holds up, he can make incredible shots. But it's very clear, at least to me,

and I don't know why more people don't say this, that you almost have to shave off like 25% of it. So to then see what he'll be like with two other guys, Kyrie, who needs the ball, Durant, who doesn't, can do everything because we saw it in Golden State. I actually kind of want to see it happen now, even though I can't believe like Harden might get his way by saying, I want out after I help create this thing,

I'm part of the shortcomings. Thanks for all the picks you moved. Hey, good luck on having Westbrook at 47 million in a couple of years. I want to leave, but I only want to be traded to one team, so I've also destroyed the fucking trade market. Right, so what about Mike D'Antoni? Cause he's on that coaching staff out there.

Presumably he would be on board with that, but he would also know firsthand all this stuff about James Hart and his fit in Houston. Like why would it make sense for him to want, in theory, to bring Harden to Brooklyn? Because if there's one thing that's been constant about this league is that every time you have a chance to add a special player, a top 10 player,

even the worst, the most anti-hardened person, you can't put this guy outside of like the top seven or eight. I just, when you start saying he's more productive than Jordan, you're like, okay, relax. Which is something Daryl Morey has argued in the past, which I doubt he's going to argue now that he's not tweeting about the Rockets the whole time. But why wouldn't he want to be with D'Antoni?

Like D'Antoni hooked him up. D'Antoni let him do whatever he wanted. So I don't see why that would be a problem. You're saying from the other end, like D'Antoni. D'Antoni doesn't matter. He's irrelevant. He's irrelevant in this thing. He's an assistant coach and you add the player

and you worry about it later. And there have been times where you go, oh man, this may not work. You add the player because it's so hard to get these players and then you go, hey, it didn't work after a year. Now we're going to go ahead and trade somebody else. Which is why I'm wondering if Kyrie is signing off on this. Because you would, I mean, look,

I can never forget trying to figure out Kyrie, but I could actually see him not loving it at all. Because now all of a sudden, he's going to be off the ball a lot more. Yeah. If it happens. It's the most like hard, the Rockets, and then Harden demanding a trade to the Nets

would be the most this league. Like everyone freaking out. And then I saw Harden did the, they do an Instagram story last night where he took off. No cap. Yeah, no cap. Which is just this league.

Yeah, boom. Got him. Some are saying it was just a sponsored post for body armor. Oh. He turned down $50 million for the Rockets to do a sponsored post for body armor. To make it back. Smart guy.

Yeah. Get some equity in there. Yeah. Well, what's the strip club situation like in Brooklyn? I don't think it's that great. New York is a terrible strip club town. Yeah, scores. Yeah, does Harden even know that?

Someone should tell him. I don't hang out in Brooklyn very often. I went to go visit Big Cat once, and we walked around to a couple of different bars, and none of them had TVs, and I'd never heard of any of the beers. I think one had drapes over the windows, and I just went, is this Brooklyn?

Is this what it's like in Brooklyn? Yeah. And you kind of couldn't tell who was bartending and who was there? Yes. I always tell people, I have more televisions in my home than any bar in Brooklyn has. It's not a lie.

Yes. Do you remember that old, that SNL skit, I think it's Will Ferrell, and it's that play called Red Ships of Spain? No. No? This is probably too old for you guys. They had this thing where it was like,

they did an ad for this musical, and it was called Red Ships of Spain, and then it was stupid, but it was still working, and what killed it was, they started doing reviews. They were reading out the reviews, and they're like, the New Yorker says,

I just went up on stage and walked around, and nobody even cared. That's what it feels like in some of those spots you took me to in Brooklyn, where you're like, am I actually on for the next hour, or what's going on here? Yeah. All right, last question for me.

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but like who's going to be the big mover? Give me something, give me some juice, give us some juice that people can then go pawn it off and pretend it's there inside source. I've getting burned so many times on this, because I'll just casually be like, yeah, this is kind of something you're hearing. We should just do one that's horrible

and see if it happens. Okay. Do it. I'm hearing the Celtics going to sign Larry Bird with their mid-level. Okay. Could happen. He's a little old, but.

Corner of threes, winning attitude. Understands the franchise, understands the culture. Okay. That one, that one works. Who are the bulls going to take for real? They're going to take the floor. I've heard that's where Patrick William starts. Part of me really wants to watch

Zach Levine and the Mellow Ball play together. Ooh. Now that would be interesting. And I would be cool with Obi-Toppin just so I could say it. Are you a Kobe white guy or is it just based on hope? Cause already it's funny how the league kind of talks about him as if it's accepted.

Like he's not really a point. He's really more of a backup, which is not what you want to hear. Yeah. I'm the whole bulls roster sucks guy. I'm pretty much like, get rid of everyone except Wendell Carter. What about Lori?

I'm out on him. I still hold out so much hope for Wendell. It's probably pathetic. Yeah. Keep him and then get rid of everyone else. Oh, I've got a dumb take. You tell me why this is dumb. I was watching some film today of Hal Burton.

He looks like he stinks at shooting, but they all go in. What's up with that? That's exactly what I say to everybody. It looks terrible. He doesn't get off the ground. It's the shot put off the front of the shoulder and it goes in.

It's 41%. Hal Burton's a really, really nice player. The problem is, is back to that original rule is if you're up high in the draft, you go, man, we could probably plug this guy in and play right away and he makes a ton of sense. Like, look at Golden State. Golden State, Hal Burton would probably fit in better

with him tomorrow than any other player in this draft. But if they decided to say, ah, we're just going with Anthony Edwards because he projects to be, you know, what he is with that size and all this thing, we can fix a shooting and he's gonna have a million open shots. Like that's why I don't get on the GMs.

There's some things that all of us would be critical of, but those are the times where I go, okay, yeah. Like I'm gonna side with you, even if you get it wrong, I completely understand the rationale of deciding to take a guy like that over Hal Burton, who fits in with them because Hal Burton can play with the ball and off the ball, probably better than any of these other guards.

It's also nice for their job security as a general manager. Not that in Golden State, that would be an issue, but just like taking a guy that is like right off the bat, you know he's a development guy. So you can't really be judged on that draft pick for another three years and then you've got three years to maybe luck out on another pick. So it keeps you round for a while.

Yeah, you just hope that he drops like 30 one time in the middle of February and never gonna be like, see? He's improving. That's why that's one of the many reasons why so many people hated Henke in Philadelphia because you would talk to a guy to be like, all right, so let me get this straight. Like I'm gonna lose my job if I don't make the playoffs

this year because I've had injuries for a couple of years and this motherfucker's going, hey, in year six, we'll figure it out. So I mean, there was not a lot of co-workers on that one going, yeah, I really respect this whole thing. Like, you know, there's tanking and then there's having, I think they had six different Hoyas

on that bad Hoyas team on the roster at one point. That's always the only time I'll allow the would Kentucky beat dot, dot, dot. That Sixers team that I think won 10 games and had eight or nine guys play that never played in the league ever again, might be the only time like when Kentucky was loaded with lottery picks that it's even,

it's even worth having a conversation about. Sam Henke, special, special person. All right, Ryan, thank you. We know you're busy. Everyone go listen to the Ryan Racille podcast. You probably already do. And we got to get you and Billy to lift together at some point soon.

Absolutely. I'm not down on Billy. I've never been more up. There we go. I think Billy just needs to, maybe he just has to see somebody else be able to lift more than him. And then he'll realize maybe I can do it too.

Yeah, exactly. Maybe today's the first day of the rest of your life, Billy. There it is. Today's the first day of the rest of your life. I would love if you were my mentor, Ryan. Thank you so much. All right. Thanks, Ryan.

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all my friends have significant others and I'm single, yet somehow I've ended up becoming friends with all my friends significant others. This often ends with me in the middle of fights, mediating bullshit and pacifying everyone around me. It seems like everyone's always fighting and they want me to solve it, but I'm the single one and I don't know why.

How did I end up becoming everyone's best friend? Yeah, that's a bad spot to be in. Maybe you're the one starting all the fights because subconsciously you want to break everybody else up. Yeah, you're also like, you definitely... Just hook up with one of your friends significant others and it'll never happen again. Yeah, but just like there's the girlfriend or boyfriend,

you know, like a what? Hank didn't understand I was saying that you gotta go to Clamtown on one of your girlfriends. Yeah. There's definitely, you know, the guy who always has a girlfriend or the girl who always has a boyfriend, there's the opposite and that's what you are. And that's a dangerous spot to be in because you're just

always like the third wheel on every single date. That's kind of an awkward spot. It's also just never a good idea if you never have anybody to report back to about anything and you just get turned loose on the world. Yes, yes. Everyone needs a little bit of an anchor from time to time. Yes.

Hello, PMT Squad, but especially maybe Billy? Question mark? Mm-hmm. I am a college freshman and my school is virtual this year. There's a really cute guy in one of my classes, so do you have any tips slash pickup lines I can use to slide into a Zoom DMs? Thank you very much and love the show.

Best way is to just go Jeff Tubin. Just get caught, just caught playing the... Tubum. Yeah, just spinning the DJ track. Tubas ass. Yeah. Just flicking the bean real quick on the Zoom meeting. A lot of Zoom Zoomers will relate to this,

but Zoom classes suck because during class, you're not looking at everyone's faces all time, but on Zoom class, you're seeing everybody's face, so you can't really get away with anything. Someone's always seeing it. Yeah. Can't pick your nose. Like you accidentally.

Yeah. Can't actually jack off. It's terrible. That does suck, Billy. Like legit, I haven't even thought about how much it must suck to have to take classes. Billy, how are your classes going? Actually, really well.

Yeah? I'm going to pass. You notice when you were talking to Russell, you're like, I'm out of college. I'm about to be. But you said that you're out. Are you still in college? I'm still in college.

OK, good. I want to make sure our boy graduates. I feel like your grades might be a little too good, and that's why you're not able to bench anymore. That's actually what I'm saying. You're turning into a nerd. Maybe. What are we going to do for your graduation party?

I don't know. Let's do something sick. Yeah, let's do something that's really sick. Maybe we all go to Vegas. Petting zoo. Petting zoo in Vegas. You guys, fuck you guys. If we get a petting zoo for Billy's birthday,

even though I wanted a petting zoo on my birthday for the first four years, we did the show. Yeah, no, we have to do one. At the Super Bowl. You only graduate once. Yeah. At a zoo in a convertible. Let's just have a fucking petting zoo on our birthday.

Yeah, I thought that'd be great. What? We're 33. It'd be sick. You kidding me? 26. Hey, Sup Boys, especially Dadcat. Every time I get on social media,

it seems like another girl I know has accidentally gotten pregnant during COVID and quarantining. My pregnancy anxiety is out of fucking control. The past five months, I've had five periods and I'm still absolutely paranoid about being pregnant. I'm almost 26, so in theory, it wouldn't be a huge scandal, but I'm also having a baby would ruin my life. How do I make pregnancy anxiety go away?

Any tips for how to avoid pregnancy other than abstinence because congrats to me on having sex? A lot of blowjobs. Other cities get pregnant and you won't be anxious about whether you're gonna get pregnant or not. I always say you can't have butt babies. Doesn't exist. Pregnancy anxiety?

Pregno anxiety. So I'm kind of the same way, even though I'm 36 years old almost. If I see somebody on Facebook that I went to high school with and they've been married to their boyfriend or girlfriend for the last eight years and they're pregnant, one of my first reactions is like,

oh my God. That was that an accident? What are they gonna do with it? It's like, no, we've been trying to get pregnant for five years and finally did. We spent $10,000 getting a mutual fertilization. We could bring in a therapist to figure out how you have not aged in the last 10 years.

Yeah, I mean, a lot of people pay a shit load of money for that type of surgery. That's true. You should start selling it on Instagram swipe ups. Be like, here is my anti-aging cream. It's pretty sweet. All right, two more. Hey, big cat, PFT, Hank and Jake.

I started dating my boyfriend last year when we were seniors in high school. He was the star quarterback of the football team, which was really cool and got recruited to play in college. But he just told me his coach asked him to switch to a wide receiver. Being a wide receiver's girlfriend is much less appealing than being a quarterback's girlfriend.

How long do I have to wait to dump him without it being obvious? It's not about him being a quarterback anymore. Do it now. Do it now. Because you know what, he says he's a wide receiver, but he's really just gonna get in on a couple of random special teams plays.

Yeah, like what else has he been hiding from you at that point? You can't really trust him. Or maybe just stay close to him and maybe you'll get drafted by the Patriots and then they'll use him on trick play occasion. All right, last one. Sup, Hank, big daddy cat and taller than average dad

of the goodest boy Leroy. My 21 year old boyfriend won't stop talking about wanting to buy Crocs. You think they look cool, but I think they're the worst pairs of shoes to ever be made. Every time I talk badly about Crocs, he gets so pissed off and wants to buy them even more.

If he buys them, I will be so turned off. What are your guys' thoughts? Camo Crocs are sick. Crocs might be making a comeback. No, we got sent Crocs, I think it was bird dogs in the summer and I wore them for the entire summer. I really? I don't know.

They're really good. No, just on vacation. I mean, I wasn't really over here. I was at the beach a lot this summer. They're good if you gotta run outside real quick for something or if you're grilling and you just want to put something on to go from your kitchen to outside

or if you're in a hurry or whatever to do something. But I took a picture one time in my Crocs and I posted it, I think it was on Instagram and so many people were like, oh dude, you're rocking them in sport mode. And I was like, wait, what's sport mode? And then you flip the heel thing and then it goes from what, casual to sport mode?

That's why they're better than slides. So when you have the back of it in, it's sport mode. It's sport mode because you're- It's like driving in your foot. Yes, exactly. When you hit that on the open highway and you're like, fuck the gas mileage. Dude, those buttons always, they're not real.

They don't do anything. Although I was driving the Silverado around and I hit one of those random buttons and it was like lowering trailer now and I was like, whoops, that probably did do something. On the Silverado they actually were. Yeah. Every other car it does.

If you've ever been in a sob and there's like all kinds of random buttons that don't do shit. I had a 1994 Volvo one time and it was like, do you want to enter into sport traction? I was like, fuck yes I do. And I drove 35 miles an hour to school. Right, so that's, I like that.

I like though the Crocs have a true sport mode. They do. Yeah. We gotta start rocking Crocs sport mode. Dude, great for two it is. All right. Those would be the most normal pair of shoes that you own, Billy.

Between your, oh, you are wearing normal shoes but they're kind of dirty. They're like Timberland style Air Force ones. Why is guys on chicks just roast Billy every week? It's not. It could be better. It could be better. There's nothing about you.

Billy, all right, let's finish up with the numbers but let's all go around and say something nice about Billy. No. Billy, Hank, go. Check out my spreadsheet. It's gonna win you money. Say something nice about Billy, Hank. No, stop.

Hank, this is- Can you think of anything? He can't think of anything. He's trying to think of something. I've got one already, Hank. I got one too. Billy, you finally won a Monday Night Football game. There we go.

Billy. I think one of your parlay was a little hit this weekend. It is. Because they're all supposed to win and then it's supposed to add up to be- I'm happy you're in the playoffs as of now in Stool Stream. Billy, you're- This season ended today.

You're the baby brawn of part of my take. Mm-hmm. Billy, you're smarter than you come across. Thank you. Mm-hmm. 69 is the number I want. Okay. The only one that guesses the same number every time.

No, that's not true. I guess eight. All right, I'm going to go and let it- It's such a cop-out. 118. Billy, you're solid agenda. Thank you. I just go with whatever-

I like your glasses, Jake. I'm going to see you first. Same. 888. Come on, 100. 16. You want to roll it again just for freebies? A freebie roll.

Freebie roll. I don't want a freebie roll. Freebie roll doesn't count. I don't want to even hit on this because it'll be thinking- I'll just see if our numbers count in a second. What was it? 16-1?

Second time. September 22nd was when it was last picked. Nope. Not even the freebie round. 74. Okay. We're never going to get one. The grandma of bingo.

It makes no sense. Love you guys. Love you guys. Grandma. And 75 is the grandpa because they lost two numbers. I learned it on a cruise. That's a big one.

No. What the fucking fact? What are you doing? Billy, give us the formal fact. Grandma of bingo, 74 and 75. A racing pigeon sold for $1.9 million at auction to a Chinese anonymous bidder. No, don't say the slur.

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