Pardon My Take - NBA With Rachel Nichols, Comedians Chris O'Connor And Tommy Pope, Celtics Beat Pacers And People Forgot About Luka

Episode Date: May 24, 2024

The Celtics beat the Pacers and this series may be over with Halliburton's injury and people forgot about Luka as Mavs take game 1 (00:00:00-00:27:46). People are mad about Caitlin Clark and fighting over seemingly nothing (00:27:46-00:32:27). Daniel Jones is pissed off (00:32:27-00:34:15). The NCAA has yet another change and Charles Barkley may save Inside the NBA (00:34:15-00:44:47). Rachel Nichols joins the show to talk about the Conference Finals, what has changed with Kyrie Irving, Paul Pierce's impact on Jayson Tatum, who will coach the Lakers and more (00:44:47-01:23:37). Tommy Pope and Chris O'Connor join the show to chop it up, talk about the beginning of their podcast Stuff Island, the new Netflix show Tires, and the time Chris got kicked off Chevy Chase's trampoline (01:23:37-02:23:52). We finish the show with Fyre Fest of the week and a shocking Hank video has hit the internet (02:23:52-02:43:00).You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/PardonMyTake

Hey, pardon my take listeners. You can find every episode on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime members can listen ad free on Amazon Music. On today's pardon my take, we have some NBA talk with our good friend Rachel Nichols back on the show. And then we have two special guests in studio, Chris O'Connor and Tommy Pope comedians from Stuff Island also they're in the new Shane Gillis show tires out on Netflix now just happened to work out that way wasn't a promotional tour but we talked about it and it was awesome interview with both them and Rachel we're gonna talk some Celtics game to, reversing the curse.

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OK, let's go. Music It's Part of My Take, presented by Marcellus Sports. Welcome to Part of My Take, presented by DraftKings. Download the DraftKings Sportsbook app now. Use code TAKE. That's code TAKE for new customers getting no sweat bet up to $1,500 if your first bet doesn't hit. Only on Draft draft Kings, the crown is yours. Today is Friday, May 24th and Hank, congratulations NBA finals. Yeah, Hank, no, no game two blues for the Celtics for the city of Boston. Ass kicking. Jalen Brown is he is Jalen Brown the guy? He took it personally. Hank actually says it.

So we taped Rachel Nichols in the afternoon and Hank predicted it. You can see it. He said it all. He was been safe for the last day. He was going to get upset about the fact that he wasn't on the all NBA teams and he was going to go off. He scored 40. Jalen Brown might be the guy. I can definitely smell a narrative that's building. There are going to be people that ask, like, is Jalen Brown really the leader of this team? Is he the best player on the team?

And aside from the player efficiency rating, scoring, field goal percentage, and defense, and win shares, and all the other advanced stats, except for all those, he is the best player on the team. Yeah. And Jalen Brown was incredible. Jason Tatum was incredible. Bad first quarter. I love that game. I mean like, oh my God, he only has 12 points in the first place. He's doing so bad. He's not joking with you. You

were so ready for it. And then Joe showed up in the third and fourth quarter. Yeah. When the got over 20, didn't even score 20 points last night. You mentioned I was going to mention that, but yeah, it was a great game. Jalen Brown. I knew it. The second they announced the all NBA teams, people call the Celtics a super team. They had one player on the, or on the all NBA team. Oh, you love that. It's a snub. It was an absolutely a snub. They're the best team in the league. They had a record team. No, clearly not. How can you be a super team with one person on the all NBA team? Makes a good point. He makes a good point. They were the best team in the league. Jalen Brown, all star, super max deserves it all. Should have been at least at least third team. Probably should have been second

team. Great defender, two way player. The second that got announced, I knew he was going to go off the night. I knew he was going to take it it personally I say it later in the Rachel Nick Rachel Nichols interview He's gonna drop 40 piece and he did I think they're a super team But not a super team there. Yeah, they're they're fantastic team. Yeah, to know game two curse reversed And yeah, we're on to we're on to I guess Dallas and I know oh It's probably earlier for that Yeah, we're on to, we're on to, I guess Dallas. I don't know. Oh. It's probably earlier for that, but I do think that they're gonna beat the Pacers.

The Pacers who again, That's a bold take. No, I'm saying like in game, Don't get crazy. In game three, I think it might even be a sweep because Halliburton's probably not gonna play. Well, Halliburton. He's got a hamstring and

He seems, he's. It's gonna be tough to come back from a hamstring. He might, it's got a hamstring and he seems it'd be tough to come back from hamstring He might it's probably real But I've also felt like Halliburton's injuries kind of pop up whenever they're down 20 points If that's the case, then they've got a better shot because I don't know who they're gonna have playing defense Nimhart is nimhart gonna play defense against it gets Jalen Brown? Yeah, I mean, this is a Naismith, their best player is a former Celtic. Yeah, by the way, you emptied the bench tonight, which I wish Max

I know. Max is not here. I know. This is a great set. O'Shea Burset. O'Shea, can you see? Had two points. He has two more points in the conference finals

than Joel Embbeed. That's a fact. Wait, wait, you mean this year? No, all time. Oh. FaceTime him. Just tell him. Just tell him that stat because he'll just get upset.

But yeah, he's not here. Whoa. Hank, I have, yeah, this series is over and I have another reason for why this series is over, Hank. I don't know if you saw this story are you facetiming Max by the way we're also taping about to be in second overtime Connor McDavid could have won this game very easily if if he could have scored the big one then he could have won the big one all he had to do is not double clutch that just fucking put it in dude

wasn't ready for the moment. Oh, Max is on. Speaking of not ready for the moment. Not ready for the moment. He's not ready for the moment. He's answered as many FaceTimes as Joel Embiid has points in the conference finals. Yes, that's a fact. Pip.

Pip. Hank's putting everybody on a pip. Pip him. No, Hank. The reason why this series is over is after the game Rick Carlisle thanked the Boston police for escorting the Pacers team bust today. Cutting their commute down from 50 minutes. Oh, go ahead.

Hey, Max. Henry. Hey, Henry Lockwood here. Part of my Take podcast. Heard of it. We're just doing the show. Talking about stats and Dan Big Cat Cats, host, one of the co-hosts, one of the three co-hosts of part of my Take.

Brought up a interesting stat that we wanted to call you in and let you know that O'Shape or set. That stupid guy who has more points in conference finals points than Joel Embiid, yeah, I saw it. Oh, so you set. That's that stupid guy who has more points than in conference finals points enjoy and beat. Yeah, I saw it. Oh, so. So you so you did see it. I was literally looking at it at. Yes, I saw. I was looking at and getting mad when you called you. Yeah. Did you retweet it? No, somebody tagged me and it was like, hey, big cat, make sure you send this stat to Max. I don't give a fuck. Yeah. Conference finals. Do you think that O'Shaver said clearly not the sixers. Do you think the Sixers could wild. Do you think the Sixers should build their team around O'Shaver said he can perform in the playoffs

deep into the playoffs. He would be great. He has more points than with a nut with another another. That was early on set Fleming, you just said another! I said another. What was 25, like 6 and 7? I had 23 points. Yeah, if Joel Embiid had that stat line, people would be crucified. And a win? He did go 1 for 7 from 3.

And he still has 6 in the first quarter. Yeah, and he went 9 for 20 from the field. We were ready with these stats, James. It's insane. Alright,, Max. Yeah. It doesn't hit the same when they, when they win. No, when they win impressively. Yeah, it's tough. All right. So back to my stat, why this series is over. Rick Carlisle after the game said that the Boston police, he thanked the Boston police for escorting the Pacers team bus today saying they cut down the commute from 50 minutes in game one to seven minutes today. Do you think there's any chance if the Boston Celtics or the Boston police thought the Pacers posed any type of threat, they would escort them and give them that type

of treatment. That is a full sign that they know this series is over because that's like a classic. They could just be like, you know what? You find your way to the game. We'll let you guys miss shoot around a little bit. They don't even have to do those kinds of tricks. They just know it's over. One thing I've learned about the Boston Police Department, they are very much involved in Boston sports.

There's that guy, that cop that's always like in Fenway Park and right center field. Yeah, that guy. I went down the slide. The guy that went down the slide, uh, which she got to video that somehow. I had nothing to do with the boss of sports. I got to say it. The guy went down the slide. It was all time video. And then, and then there's always a cop that's like basically in the Celtics team huddle on the sideline. That, that cops got the best job in the world. Would you all play for the Celtics? So maybe it was a respect, right? But would you agree

with my assessment? Like if that, if this was was a series if they were playing the Lakers if they were playing The Sixers if they're playing the Knicks Are you are you bringing up the there was a podcast about the LeBron game six heat game? No, I didn't see this where like it was I think it was a Not Birdman Mike Miller, maybe okay. It was Mike Miller and Shane baddie a talking about it And he was like, LeBron was pissed because they delayed our bus and took us forever to shoot around.

So that's it. Right. That's a game that you have to be like, all right, we might not be able to beat the Heat. This series is over. On the other hand, if you're the police department, you're giving them an escort to the game, I feel like seven minutes isn't even long enough for you to get comfortable in a bus. You can't don't, you can't listen to your full pregame like playlist that you have for sure. You gotta finish in the locker room. Hank, are you now? So this series is over, right? Yeah. Okay. They might lose one. How are you feeling about this finals? Because it really like in a weird way, it's, it's just getting juicier and juicier. Well, it's like, I want, I want everyone who says the Celtics have played no one, the Celtics

don't win, be like haha I told you so and then you have the opposite where you can be like fuck all of you. You know we beat the West, we we we steamrolled through the East, go fuck yourself. Exactly. Right. Only play with who's in front of you. I just don't I flip flop. I flip flop. Yeah, just as long as it's not the nuggets. Exactly. Right. Beating Kyrie would be nice, but then there's a little bit of like scariness of like could you know, does he know the, you know, Jason and Jalen, he was play with them when they're younger. Does you know their secrets? Could he, you know know Can you stop that against us knows this? But also if we beat the Mavericks and then it would kind of shut you up with you're like look at Don't you? It's best player left in the yes

That's just I know but it would be nice to just be like well if he's the best player in the playoffs Why didn't he win because you might not have the best team right but like that I never said that I never said that the best players always the best player always wins I said the best player people writing off that he mad you should would he was the best player, he'd still be MVP probably. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, First of all, he wasn't the best. He's not the best player in the NBA. I never said that. I said he's the best player left in the playoffs with four teams left. And you took offense to that by the way. You took offense to that. And then the best team, the best player doesn't mean necessarily they will win the championship. I said the best player. Yeah, no, I'm with Hank. I disagree too. Can Luca win the big one? The best player having the best player means that they should never be written off,

which was what was happening with a lot of people being like the wolves and the nuggets will beat the Mavs in five games, which I guess they could still could back to your points, even though you just put your where everything I said, just, Oh, I'm just, I'm just, I'm, I'm, I'm focused on the Western conference. So focused. You're thinking about what I said three days ago. No, I'm just thinking about what would be sweeter I think we saw you're sweet Dallas maverick for no, no, there's a there's many reasons it be way sweeter to beat Kyrie But you're also afraid of Kyrie. I'm a little bit more afraid of Kyrie then you have a healthy respect for Kyrie

You're not afraid of Luca because Tatum is better than him. Of course I'm afraid of Luca, but I don't know. We got the horses, man. We got the horses. We got the horses. They are very, so they're very good. Also, people bring up the Warriors team and it's like, we have Drew Holiday and Chris House-Porsang. It's like, they were not on the team and they're significant parts of this team. And you will- They keep saying that. And you will have the reverse where you will

have the most experience Whereas you didn't against the Warriors. Mm-hmm. So Ready to go you're still upset about the Luke. I'm not upset saying Luca. So let's talk about this because I I Watching that game on Wednesday night Incredible game. It was a little satisfying even though I do have a future on the Wolves and I picked the Wolves in seven It was satisfying to watch Luca take over that game in the fourth quarter because people forgot about Luca and The Hanks of the world and the Wolves fans of the world think that if you say Luca Doncic is the best player left In the playoffs you're saying Anthony Edwards or Jason Tatum sucks, which is not at all what I'm saying I'm just saying Luca Donch its what he did on Wednesday night is why he's the best player left in the playoff.

And what's crazy, not only was he scoring, he was playing defense. I've never seen Luca play defense like that ever. I don't think he has. No, he has been playing a lot better defense. But the defense that he played last night was incredible. Yeah, I mean the lob pass he broke up basically won the game. He was a legitimately great defender last night. Yeah. No, he's been, he's been that the, the narrative that Luca and win or said it even to like the narrative that Lucas sucks at defense, he's not an elite defender, but he is a like a passable and sometimes above average

defender now. And everyone just assumes he's a traffic cone. He won that game when he broke up that lob path. I don't assume he's a traffic cone. I just think that he was playing so good last night that it was like the reason why they won on defense. And it was crazy to see. Here's a fun stat though. Ready for this nugget? This is, I think Phil Mackey says this since 2011 in the NBA conference finals, teams that come off a game seven win Versus teams that didn't play a game seven are 0 and 14 in game one. So that trend continues Yes, and that was the Patriots almost beat that. Yeah, they almost they almost bucked it Yeah, if if they had figured out how to cover Jill Brown It was also Jason kids. I believe his first win ever in game one of a series. They don't usually win game once

Yeah But it was a great game in the fact the Mavs, if you had told the Mavs fan before this game that they would have hit 6-3, 6 for 25 from 3, and still won this game, they'd be like, what the hell just happened? Well, what happened was Kyrie Irving took it personal when Anthony Edwards said he was going to guard him and torched him. And Anthony Edwards looked like tired trying to stay in front of Kyrie Irving. I know he wasn't him and torched him. And Andy Edwards looked like tired trying to stay in front of Kyrie Irving.

I know he wasn't always the one guarding him. I think he said, it's going to be fun. Yeah. I'm looking forward to guarding him. And Kyrie Irving said it afterwards. He's like, yeah, I was sitting on my couch. And he called me out. And I was like, OK, sounds good.

Kyrie Irving was incredible in the first half. Then Luca finishes it. Kyrie Irving scores 24 points in the first half. Luca scores 19 points in the first half then Luca finishes it the carrier every scores 24 points the first half Luca scores 19 points in the second half the Mavs like one two punch with the two of those guys and I it's crazy But I feel like I've turned on Kyrie where I'm like I'm kind of rooting for him. He He feels like he's enjoying basketball again. He's enjoying being a teammate

He's a good teammate and when he's playing like he's playing, it's hard not to be like, damn, this is so much fun to watch. It's the eclipse. The eclipse got to him. It is weird. Him and Bryson recently, it's like, wait, I'm rooting for this guy. And then when Kyrie was sitting in with the TNT guys after the game, you could see how much fun he was having.

Oh yeah. And he was like a fun guy to talk to. He was engaging. He was like listening. He was choking around. It was like, Oh, Kyrie seems, he seems normal. Yeah. Yeah. He get normie pill. I don't know what happened, but he maybe just got older. Yeah. Funny because he is 32. So it's like, you know, he was 29 then. Yeah. He was, he was really young. I still remember when he was on the calves and they asked him once and it was like, LeBron, uh, he, you know, he's a father of three. He's a great father. Can

you talk about how he is like as a father figure in the locker room? And Kyrie's like, excuse what? Yeah. Like, are you saying that he's my dad? Yeah. And that environment that he was in Cleveland was just so weird. Yeah. And then when he went out and was trying to find himself for the first time. Yeah. Discover his identity. It took him a while, but he's here. Took him a while. He's here. The Mavs are tough. I also love what the Mavs are doing, where they're just, they're splitting time with Gafford and Lively and basically getting like an elite center out of the two of them.

Because they just go balls to the wall when they're in the game. And they combined finished for, oh, the Oilers just scored. Look at that. Connor McDavid off the hook. There we go. That was a bad miss. I think it was Dreisaitl. I don't know. Bad miss. Oh, it might have Connor McDavid off the hook. There we go. That was a score. I think it was dry saddle. I don't know. That might have been McDavid. I think it was McDavid. It was McDavid. Redemption. Wow. That would be huge for him.

Because he it was that miss was very bad. Who scored their means. Give it to us. I got a notification that said McDavid. Oh, it was McDavid. It was McDavid. We need to see a replay. They're showing everyone so it's kind of... I was about to just say it's been the best year in Dallas sports in history. It still has with the Rangers, the Mavericks going this far, the Stars. ESPN put up a very, very insulting graphic. Did you see that? No. It was years since last conference final and it was obviously the world series, not conference, but league and it was a Rangers zero stars, zero Mavericks zero Cowboys 26. That's awesome. Yeah. It was a great graphic. Yeah. It was McDavid. Look at that. Redemption. He, it's good that he scored that because it would have been bad.

That was a bad miss. You don't want to go to bed tonight thinking about that miss. No, no. So the Oilers are up one nothing in the series. What were we talking about? Oh yeah, the Mavs centers are awesome. They just go balls to the wall. Hank would you like to have Anthony Edwards discussion? We can have it. Write it down. I did write

it down. We can have it honestly. The media which we'll get into with Rachel has forced me to do this because I realized it last night. I have I like Anthony Edwards a lot. I love him. I'm a huge fan. I enjoy watching him play. I think he's a superstar. But when this, when the media does this Jason Tatum narrative, then I have to watch these games and be like, where is it for him? He did 19 points. He was bad shooting night. They lost the game. Agreed. Where's where I wrote it down. People talking. He has, he has? He has not been playing. He wasn't good in game seven either. No, he was not.

He's not been playing great as of late. And he is. And he said, I want Kyrie. That was like as dumb a thing as you could possibly say. Really dumb thing to say. Now I do think that he, you know, there's a long series, but this is where like, whatever. Every time we talk about Jason Tatum, I say he's incredible.

I'm sorry, I'm sorry. So there's talk it out there. We said that if he, if he dominates, he gets the benefit of the doubt and he gets to the finals, he dominates in the finals. Then we will be talking about Jason Tatum in the same breath as other like top tier top Tatum has been doing it for longer. And I also, he broke the record for most playoff points scored in his first seven years. I also say he's incredible every time I talk about him and I have him ranked higher than Anthony Edwards. Now. Now Hank is doing this. He's

making us do this because he's dug his heels in so hard on Tatum. He's what you've done is you forced us to someone has Jason Tatum you forced us know after every game Find stats to make you mad about Jason and it's not really you guys I want to make that clear because I want to be very ends in the in the first takes and the undisputed where it's Like you see the discussions they have and you see you know and I probably follow too many like bossing accounts, but it's like Anthony Edwards after a loss Jason Tatum after a win it's still negative about Jason Tatum and pause about Anthony Edwards after a loss, Jason Tatum after a win. It's still negative about Jason Tatum and positive about

Anthony Edwards and it's not fair. Yeah, no, Anthony Edwards deserves criticism. He called out Kyrie and then he got torched and he only scored 19 points. Let's just end this Jason Tatum thing for one last time. I have him ranked somewhere between the fourth and the sixth best player in the NBA. What if he wins the NBA finals

and then dominates in the Olympics? I'd probably have him third. Over Luca? Probably not. If you ask trade, if you call up and trade, probably not. The reason why the media likes Anthony Edwards so much and they don't like Jason Tatum, it seems like they don't like him as much.

Anthony Edwards is new. So when somebody is new, we're like, oh, this is exciting. The possibilities are limitless. And then if Anthony Edwards spins the next like four years, not quite winning a championship, then people will talk about Anthony Edwards the same way they talk about Jason Tatum. I also think Anthony Edwards is the first guy in a while to go outwardly, spoken outwardly against the buddy buddy banana boat era of the NBA. But I think people don't realize there's a lot of new guys right now that are similar to Anthony Edwards that aren't buddy buddy.

I don't think Jason Tatum is very buddy buddy. I don't think Lucas is very buddy buddy. I think Jokic is very buddy buddy. SGA, like Brunson. You think Brunson is like buddy buddy with- All his Nova boys. Anthony, well they're all on his team. Anthony Edwards was the first guy to kind of say it. So everyone's like, fuck, this is a breath of fresh air. The other guys haven't said it but I don't see the same like friendship. It was always weird when you know LeBron and Chris Paul and

Carmelo were like best friends, but also competing against each other. Right you give them maybe five or six years Maybe they become buddy buddy, right? That's kind of how this whole thing works. Yeah, they play on enough olympic teams Yeah, the super teams are being phased out because the people that would make up the super teams are Getting over the hill where they're not the young talent anymore. Then the new talent is like fuck you guys I'm gonna go out compete on my own. They might one day decide to join forces. If they get frustrated not winning a championship, they might team up with somebody. Yeah.

That's how time works. Anthony Edwards has not scored 20 points in four of his last six games. That's not good enough. Does that feel good, Hank? You know what? Did that feel good, what I just said? No, that's the thing. I really have no acts of grime. Say that again. Anthony Edwards has not scored 20 points in four of his last six games. That's not good What is that? Did that feel good? What? Oh, that's the thing. I really have no no acts of grime say that said again Anthony Edwards has not scored 20 points in four of his last six games. That's not good And I'm gonna agree with Hank if Jason Tatum did that it would be it would be lights out

I would say that's not good enough. I think I would be meaner. I'd be meaner Well, I mean the age thing does change it does and he's new and he's exciting and it's fun So we're gonna talk about all the upsides. First playoff series. Second, third, fourth. Playing. Fourth. Now don't count the playing. Fourth. It's basically his first. Do you feel good with me saying it's not good enough? Yeah. Okay. That's not good enough. The Wolves, I mean Wolves fans know that's not good enough. Now Luca. He has to be the guy. Now Luca on the other hand. That's a great player, dude He's awesome. He I I Know the ref thing. I know people don't like it. I think it's a little much as well

but when he's just when he's controlling everything and Getting to his spots and no one can stop him It's so much fun to watch and he's yelling at his teammates and he does it in like a kind of slow-mo where it's just Like you any but It's so much fun to watch. And he's yelling at his teammates. And he does it in like a kind of slow mo where it's just like, you, but it's so smooth. It's funny. Like if it's a quarterback that's yelling at his teammates, you're like, I like that leadership. That's a field general grabbed by the face mask.

Luca gets in somebody's face and people are like, why is he, why is he screaming at his friend? Yeah. It's really strange. Yeah. Also shout out Luca. Did you see the stat of, or the, the, uh, Supermax he's eligible for

after making All NBA? Yeah, it's crazy. 346 million in the Supermax. Yeah. He's going to make a lot of money. Yeah. And then he's probably going to re-sign. He's going to, at the end of it, he'll do another deal and make like a hundred million dollars a year. Yeah, pretty good. Yeah. He deserves it. Okay, so we had the Oilers win game one. Memes, the Panthers win game one. How you feeling? Feeling great. The Panthers absolutely dominated in MSG.

It was a sad showing by the Rangers. Very funny memes tweet when the Rangers scored a known goal and Memes said the Rangers have scored their first goal of the Eastern Conference final. Yeah, I saw that come across the board I was like god damn it memes. This is good It was the only thing to tweet right there You got hate in your heart. Yeah. Oh, yeah, let it out and now Rangers fans are giving it back to which which I love Wait, they're giving back to you or they're giving it back to no they're gonna back to me. Okay

Yeah, they said I used to love you now. I fucking hate you. All right., okay getting turned on. They love you after you stand up. It's playoff time It's playoff time hate has to go everywhere. Yeah to be like Rangers fans hate memes Hank hates anyone who says anything other than Jason Tatum is the greatest player ever All these hate has to go around. This is reverse gaslighting you ever. All these hate has to go around. This is reverse gaslighting. You just go reverse gaslight. You tried to reverse gaslight me. No. Max hates the lottery ball machine. Yeah. All these things. Max hates, what's the name? O'Shea. O'Shea Berset. O'Shea Berset. O'Shea can you see? Did you come up with that Hank? O'Shea can you see? Yeah. That was you? Fuck

yes. You're absolutely right, Bo. Well that's after Donny came up with Horford July. Horford July rocked. I'm thinking of shirts. Our mercy was asking for shirts, and he scored. I was like, oh shit, can you see? We'd sell one. Kind of slaps. I had a couple other things real quick

before we go to our interviews. Can either of you explain to me what's going on with Caitlin Clark? Yeah, people are mad at Caitlin Clark. And then it's like two people that are mad at her. And then there's a lot of people that are mad at the people that are mad at her. And then now there's people, the first people that were mad at her are now mad at the people that got mad at them for being mad at Caitlin Clark.

Okay, that makes sense. That's where I feel like I've just seen a lot of people yelling about how it's crazy to hate Caitlin Clark and making it about race and all this stuff, but then I can't find the root source more than Jamal Hill or who else. I don't know. So I dove into it a little bit. I think that anytime there's a big cultural thing happening in sports, you'll get people that have to write a think piece about it.

And then they just think too much. And then their thoughts, some of them are bad, and they come out. And then people latch onto the bad thoughts and get outraged. And people get outraged at the outrage. And then now we don't know what's going on. So I'm happy that I've not looked into this. Here's the deal.

Caitlin Clark is a very good basketball player. She has not won a game yet in the WNBA. She's a rookie. So now the takes are flying. Got it. But she also got them planes. She kind of got them planes. And white.

And she's white. And she has pretty privilege. Okay. And she's a woman. And she's a woman. Playing in the WNBA. She's a woman playing in the WNBA. She's a woman playing in the W that irritates a lot of people. I honestly encourage people not to, the less you know about

yeah. And Clark outrage, the better you'll be. I've felt very good that I've, I've just like, I know this thing is happening. I'm not going to just, I'm not going to try to figure out why it's happening because it feels like a lot of people yelling at a lot of people and It probably is nothing that Caitlin Clark cares about. It's probably nothing that anyone ever teammates care about. I Don't I just can't I know it doesn't seem like a real thing It seems like people are just trying to find something to argue about for some reason I had to I had to learn who somebody on the view was

By wrong about Clark. Yeah, that's how bad it's got. How'd that go? I don't know. That's how you learn who's on the view is when people get mad at those people. Hold on. Hold on. I want to say, is it... Fuck. Is... No, not Barbara Walters. Barbara Walters still alive? I think she died. Is she alive? What's the woman who's... Hocus Pocus. Beyonce. No woman still on the Goldberg? No no no you know hocus pocus What the fuck is that joy Behar is that her name? That's one of the women from the view that I learned about because people focus is this the same There's joy. I know that there's

Pet Midler whoopee no, I don't think she's on the view. Shit. Yeah. Ah, she kind of looks like joy. Okay. That's probably what I was. I got that. Can they get the same, the same? I could have you, you would have been like, Hey, gun to your head, bet Midler on the view. I've been like, yup. A hundred percent. Okay. I'm going through the list. They looked the same. I pulled up whoopie. I knew her from Eddie. She was great. And Eddie joy. I learned about her because people got mad at her. I don't know these next two. And then Alyssa, I learned about her because people got mad.

Alyssa Farah Griffin? Yeah. Pick a name. That's too many names. And then Meghan McCain was on there and I learned about her because people got mad at her. Anna Navarro. Can I see a picture of these women? Whoa. Yeah. Let me see a picture of these women. Yeah, that is bet Midler. I

Could see the confusion. I could definitely see the confusion Okay, but I swear to God more people talk about the view because they're pissed at you and watch it Oh, they give it 10% Can you vote for a pug? Maybe give it get it to 9 and When is it on and where is it? I don't know it's on TV and people get mad at 17 seasons Where is it? I don't know. It's on TV and people get mad at it. Seventeen seasons?

Okay. But yeah, so now that people are mad at their takes about Caitlin Clark, guess what they're going to talk about more? More Caitlin Clark. More Caitlin Clark. And then the takes are going to get dumber and dumber and pretty soon we'll all have brain damage. It would be kind of funny if they don't win a game.

It would be, yeah. I mean, I'm rooting for that. That'd be very fun. Discourse. There was somebody that posted a video and it was Caitlin Clark making a spectacular play. And the person was like, don't forget about the assist though from Aliyah Boston. And then that, that conversation happened about race. That's really good. And then I'm like, that's really good. I love

watching sports. I say that all the time when I'm watching a, when I'm, this is a great ball. Yeah. When Saquon Barkley busts for a huge run this year and be like, but don't forget about Lane Johnson. Yeah. Please. Well, when Saquon, when he goes for a big run, I'm always like, that was a great handoff from Daniel Jones. Yeah. Well now, oh, that was the other thing. Daniel Jones is allegedly pissed off. Oh no. What is that like? Be wary guys. Daniel Jones. You don't want to see him pissed off.

If there's a list, if we're ranking quarterbacks in the NFL of guys that you would least like to be pissed off at you, I would say Daniel Jones is probably last amongst starters. What do you think Daniel Jones does when he's pissed off? Is it slam the garage door on the way out to work? Is it throw his sweater vest really hard at his chair? Slams his sweater vest? Yeah. I think he probably tells you that his dad's a lawyer.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's like... Maybe cry. He might cry. I can't imagine him pissed off. He might cry. But he's pissed off. So he's mad that they wanted Drake may I Don't know why he's pissed off Let me see. I think I just saw that he was pissed I think that there was a story that came out that they they were targeting Drake may

the Bill Murray in the bowling movie It's late line kingpin kingpin thepin. The, ooh. Yeah. That was, that gift was built for a guy like Daniel Jones being pissed off. We got, we got angry Daniel coming this year. Oh no. All right. A ticked off Daniel Jones might be exactly what the Giants need. He's got a chip on his shoulder after Giants failed pursuit of a quarterback in this year's NFL draft. That'd be a new injury.

Yeah. But also you didn't draft him. Uh, Brock Purdy. I could deal with Brock Purdy being pissed at me. Yeah. Well, he's, he knows how to work a tractor. He's got a little bit of farm. Yeah.

Country. I wouldn't be upset if Russell Wilson was mad at me. Yeah. Daniel Jones is just going to cease and desist everyone. Yeah. That's all it's going to be. Um, I think I had, oh Russell Wilson was mad at me. Yeah, Daniel Jones is just going to cease and desist everyone. Yeah. That's all it's going to be. I think I had, oh, the NCAA changed another thing. I don't know.

I can't keep up. So I think, so I read the headline. I read a little bit of it as well. The power conferences are getting together and deciding collectively to settle a lawsuit and saying, now we're going to start actually paying the players. Correct. Not just in IL, we're going to start actually paying the players correct not just in IL we're gonna pay the players and retroactively retroactively so this all goes back to Ed O'Bannon Ed O'Bannon from UCLA I think he won that championship in 94 95 one of those years

anyways he sued the NCAA about the name image likeness thing that's why we haven't been able to play NCAA football. That's why they took that off the shelves because they were trying to figure out the whole NIL thing. And that one guy went up against the entire system and beat them. And now the players are going to get paid. Yeah. So the retroactors are going to get paid and they also are going to get paid. But here's the big thing. And I, I, I'm sure there's many details that I'm missing and we will have an expert on to explain it. But face value, I think I'm okay with this because I don't think that fans should have

to fund these college programs any more than they already do. NIL, like why the fuck are fans tasked with like, hey, if you don't do NIL, your team's going to suck. And then your team, your football program keeps making money. And I get it. There's other sports that are probably going to suffer. Totally get it. I'm just talking about football and basketball. Those probably have to separate. I understand that it's all complicated and everything. But from the face value, why isn't, if you keep showing to me that like the big 10 and the SEC and the ACC keep signing billion dollar TV rights deals, why can't the players get a little of that? That's again, I've probably oversimplified it. People will say I'm stupid not seeing it. I don't know. My take remains

the same with all this stuff. Get me to the finish line. Just tell me when we're good with the new future of college sports. Tell me when we're done with the conference realignment. Tell me when we're done with like figuring out the intricacies of paying the players. Just tell me the end date and then I'll fucking pay attention because I just want to start a new normal because as soon as we start it in a year, years three years we'll be like whatever we can't remember how it used to go I just don't like the constant change you know guess what there's gonna be more constant of course like the next five

years just tell us when we can get there just give me the fucking finish line yeah so it's gonna be teams can now pay schools can pay players straight up give them money Jeffrey docket tweeted this at me. I want to credit him. This is a great idea. He said, imagine Harvard using their $36 billion endowment to pay their football players more than the NFL. The funniest outcome is Harvard having a payroll of $300 million a year to football players

and dominating college football. There is a salary cap. That's the only problem with that. Well, OK. Minor detail. Minor detail, Jeffrey Docket missed. Yeah, I think it's like $20 million each team can pay. That probably makes sense. Yeah. It does make sense. So I would be, if again, there's a lot of details I'm missing that we will have someone come explain.

Jay Billis. If not Jay Billis, agree to disagree on that one. If it's $20 million, every school, every Power Five school, because I don't know how it's going to work for everyone else, but every Power Five school gets $20 million and you can't pay any more. I think that's actually a good thing. Now, there's obviously still going to be NIL, there's still going to be boosters, so it gets murky. But on the face value, I think I'm okay with it. I've also heard some people saying this is the death of college football as we know it. I'm pretty sure they'll figure out a way. What's happened more? It's going to be different. What's happened more in the last five years? The death of college football as we know it. I'm pretty sure they'll figure out a way. What's happened more?

It's going to be different. What's happened more in the last five years? The death of college football or World War III? I was going to say Jimmy Carter dying. Yeah. World War III has happened a hundred times. Yeah, the start of World War III for sure. There's going to be some implications.

It's going to look different. And I don't think anybody out there fully understands what it's going to look like in three years. Just get me there. What all the changes are going to be. But as I think one point that Jay did make when he was on the show, when he wasn't being disingenuous, was that if there are teams that are are able to pay players to a higher level than other teams, that doesn't necessarily mean that the second level teams are going to suffer because of it,

because they'll concentrate more of their money on the guys that weren't quite good enough to get those very top tier offers and get paid more money by the smaller schools that could afford to give a bigger percentage of them. Also, you'd just be telling me, oh, so Alabama is going to get a bunch of five star recruits and like the Wisconsin of the world are going to get two and three star recruits. Oh, so nothing changed? Yeah. Okay. That's pretty much it. Also in IL,

I think it's still athletes are going to be doing advertisements. Yeah, I know they are. Yeah. So that's, it's going to be a little bit of both. Uh, what did, pug, did you pull this up? Did you do a little producing pug? It was a combination with memes pug. Yeah. Charles Barkley. That was the last thing I actually actually did have it written down, but good job, Pug and memes. Charles Barkley said it sucks for all of us,

and he blamed his bosses for not wanting to get the NBA on TNT or keep the NBA on TNT. I did like that Charles Barkley said there's a chance he's just gonna hire the guys to his, what does he have, he company. Production company and then just sell inside the NBA to whoever gets the rights. Charles Barkley, you'd be a hero for that. There's also a chance that Charles doesn't have a production company yet and he just, he was thinking out loud when he said that. And so then he just starts, he's like, actually that's a good idea that I just said, I'm going to do that. Yeah. But they should do that.

They, we need at, at, at very minimum, we need Kenny Shaq and Charles together. Ernie, Ernie, we'd like Ernie. We'd like Ernie. I would like very much for him to be a part of whatever the next iteration is, but I feel like he's going to stay at Turner no matter what. So we'll take what we can get. This is, this is, if they, if they don't save inside the NBA, I do think this is a miscalculation by the NBA to think that this program doesn't have any effect on viewers and like the way

that the NBA is consumed. Someone put it perfectly like Adam Silver wants to try to find a way to make the NBA as popular as the NFL, NFL and make the NBA as popular as the NFL and make it mean as much as the NFL, not realizing that an 82 game season will always keep it from being as important as the NFL. So instead he's going to just do weird shit and gimmicky shit to try to like juice it up. And it's like, dude, inside the NBA is more important to the NBA than the in season tournament by

a large margin. Like those are not equal to me. Yeah. In terms of the consumption of like what the culture around the sport, the way the sports talked about, like this is it's entertainment. These guys are a big part of the fabric of the NBA. It's like, oh yeah, we don't need it. If you're focused on the bottom line and like what you're looking at this year, if you're, if you're examining the NBA on a spreadsheet and you see in season tournament ratings up, ticket sales up for those games, Adam Silver is going to be like, well, that did really well. He's going to fall in love with that.

But there's worse. But there's other things that go into the correct entire factor, the entire buzz around the league. That's definitely one of I saw somebody. I forget what main account it was, but some main account tweeted out yesterday if the NFL were to do an inside the NBA type show before and after a game what would that look like who would be on that desk it's like well they do every network tries to do it yeah no one no nobody is as good I would watch inside the NBA as a pregame for NFL games. Yeah. They don't even have to watch the games.

I just want like show the teams and then let Charles Barkley make fun of the Jets. TNT got college football. That's what's part of what he said on Dan Patrick. He's like, they didn't have money for the NBA. We got college football. And I get maybe the NBA was overpriced and maybe it makes sense. But I agree with you. I would watch this show. Everyone tries to do this show. The only people who have done this show successfully is TNT and Inside the NBA. It really doesn't matter what the topic is. I'll watch that group do anything. Yeah. So, you're probably going to lose it. Save it, Chuck. Save it. Okay. Let's kick it to ourselves. We got Rachel Nichols and then we have a very funny interview with Chris O'Connor, Tommy

Pope, two hilarious guys. They're also in Shane Gillis' new show, Tires on Netflix now. Go watch it. I'm going to binge it tonight. And then reminder, we will have a show on Tuesday and then a show on Friday next week. We also are going to try attempt the John Daly challenge on Monday night. So Tuesday's show might be rough to listen to, but we will be back. We have a huge interview Tuesday, big, big guest. So everyone enjoy the long weekend. We'll see you Tuesday. Stay safe. I have another one on Friday and let's kick it to ourselves.

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which you might actually have more insight in because you did an episode. How are the Bulls doing? No, not how the Bulls doing. They stink. You did an episode of your show with these two guys, but I wanted to start with Luca and Kyrie. And in talking to them, because Mavs obviously won game one, what has changed with Kyrie and made him all of a sudden like the best teammate and a guy that I find myself rooting for again? Totally right. Yeah, I mean that's going to be the biggest 180 in sports in terms of how people feel about him

over the last three years. It's crazy. I think it's a bunch of different things. So he's older, right? I mean, we all get a little more mellow as we age. And I think more perspective, some of the things that seem very important to us when we're younger, kind of we're like, okay, I got it, we're good. So I think it's a little bit of that. I think it's a little bit of location. I mean, being in New York, especially, it's a lot being thrown at you every day. And I'm not sure that that was the right situation for him. So being in Dallas where there's a little less media, it's a little looser, that kind of thing, I think is help. The

biggest thing though is Jason Kidd, his relationship with Jason Kidd. Kyrie Irving attended Jason Kidd's Hall of Fame induction, which shouldn't be a big deal because we have former players, you know, or current players and former players attending other guys all the time, except that's at the invitation of the player, right? Jason Kidd had no idea Kyrie was going to show up. Didn't invite him. No special arrangements for him. Kyrie grew up watching Jason in New Jersey, and he was like, yeah, I want to go. Jason, my favorite player is getting inducted to the Hall of Fame. I want to go. So that tells you player, standing in Dutch with a hall of fame, I want to go. So that tells you the respect that's there and sort of the way that Kyrie feels about him.

So that when the Mavs were interested in him, Jason was a huge part of the sort of selling point on both sides and the relationship they have is so good because Jason is very careful in how he talks. And I don't want to say careful like it's practice, but like he knows how to talk to Kyrie in terms of, hey, I respect you, I respect your point of view. If I didn't, I wouldn't mess with you.

But here's the times to say things and here not. And Kyrie had a great line to me about this because I've learned not to touch the stove when it's hot. And I think that that's a good, you don't have to say everything all the time. You don't have to answer every question. You don't have to make every belief you have public because this is letting him be who he is.

And Jason's big on, he doesn't have to be a robot. Like he's an artist, he's a this, he's a that. Let him go do all of that stuff. Respect that part of his life, but also focus on basketball. Kyrie so settled in even more than last year. He's such a leader in the locker room, which again, if you talk to people in the Brooklyn,

they're gonna be like, what the hell are you talking about? But he is 100% doing all the things that Luca at age 25, he's capable of it, but he's not like pulling guys aside for like heart to hearts or giving them wise advice. He's 25 years old and he's kind of in the middle of all this stuff now. So the fact that Kyrie is willingly stepped in to do all of that, the guys in that locker room love him.

It's really unbelievable. That anecdote is great too because I saw after game one, Kyrie went on inside the NBA with the guys and he basically said that the therapy sessions, that he said Jason Kidd had a lot of long talks with the team and sometimes it felt like therapy. And when I heard that quote, I was like, that's weird because in today's NBA, it feels like coaches

have less and less power. It is all player driven. Like players are not gonna sit and listen to their coach talk to them for hours and hours on end. So that all kind of makes sense. Their relationship has let Kyrie be Kyrie. Yeah, 100% and the respect is there. I mean, Luca when he came in to the NBA kind of famously said that he had never seen Jason play, which I mean look he started playing for a ball in Europe when he was 13 and Jason you know played a while ago but obviously, uh, obviously he looked

up the clips on YouTube. He's like, yeah, he was pretty good. I'm like, yeah, he really was. So I think, I think for both of those guys that he is literally a hall of famer played with a style that's so engaging, right? It was so much fun to watch him play. I think he can say things to them that frankly, a lot of these coaches today who came up more through the other side They can't and and you're never gonna respect a guy as much as the guy who's not only done it at the level You've done it but done it at a whole same level You feel like I can take advice from him if you're Luke Dachich as opposed to who are you to tell me what to do? You'll be gone three years anyway, right? It's interesting. It's like sliding doors moment. What if Steve Nash had been from New Jersey?

Would it all been different? Yeah, that's what it's So wouldn't be different if we were all New Jersey it would be the world would be a much better place I think if everyone was from New Jersey There was me come on. Yeah, that's right. We yeah DC We're I actually we won't talk about the Wizards on the air because we'll just bore people to death with it Just say that I'm buying stock in the Wizards right now. I like what they're doing. But the...

Yeah. Do you want to bore people? Talk about the Wizards? No, no, no. I was going to say I didn't know if we were going to talk capitals at all. Oh, no. Then we could really bore people. Yeah, we could really bore people with that.

Too fresh? Yeah. I'm still upset. I'm buying stock in the football team. Yes. I will say that. I'm super psyched about this season. Me too. So the other half of the combo, the two-person combo in Dallas, Luca, I was say that I'm super psyched about this season. Me too. So the other half of the combo, the two person combo in Dallas, Luca, I was hoping that you

would give us some insight because you do work around Skip Bayless sometimes. I'm not sure how much face to face time you have with him. He tweeted several times a week. You're very lucky. He tweeted out last night, Luca Doncic is one bad bleep bleeper. So what is bleep bleeper? Because that that's two cuss words. I mean, it could be anything right? Shit fucking shopper. Yeah, I mean, I think Mother one bad bargain shopper. Did he leap out mother bag? Yeah, maybe bleeped out mother

beanie mover. I don't know. I don't know what. I don't know what the it could be anything. But what's Nick Charmer? What's so great to watch about him is it feels like whenever one of them is off the other person takes over and they kind of alternate like sometimes Luke will be hot at the start of games sometimes Kyrie at the end of games what's that how is that relationship developed where they know okay who's taking shots now who's hot who's gonna carry the team at this point is that an ongoing conversation? Or is that something that's evolved intentionally

over the years? That's the thing. Yeah, so when Kyrie first came in, they both really wanted it to work. Luca hadn't had a partner in crime at that level. Obviously, he was frustrated that they got to the Western Conference finals, and then the season wasn't going well, and all of that stuff.

So there's been a big push, keep Luca happy, because you don't want a LeBron James in Cleveland, the first time situation, where he's just like, okay, I like it here, but if we can't win, I'm going somewhere else. So they really want to make sure that his development keeps, you know, tracking up and his success keeps tracking up. And they believe in him, obviously. So it was a lot of who can we get at this level. So they both really wanted to make it work but it was a little rocky at the beginning because they didn't know each other and that my turn your turn that actually happened more at the end of last season where it was kind of like okay you you go and then I'll go and you can't win basketball games like that. So

it took a while for them to develop actual chemistry on the court and that's just reps right getting near each other. It took a while for them to get to actually know each other. They're pretty different dudes with pretty different backgrounds and pretty different interests. You know, Luca's a little more of a bro. Kyrie is very cerebral and in terms of, you know, everything is very analyzed. But they have a lot of common ground too. They both love the game. They both want to win. They've both been around enough that they can tell stories to each other. And I think Luca really learned that Kyrie could do the parts of the job both on the court and off the court that he has always found just a little heavy and

a little frustrating. And Kyrie found a guy who can do the stuff off the court and frankly, on the court that he kind of had been looking for. I think if these guys came together and Kyrie was closer in age to Luca if he was like 27 Just wouldn't have worked but Kyrie feels like i'm the elder statesman now I can be in this position and it's so fun to watch them grooving on the court They have so much like they both love each other's game and that's you know, they put each other in great positions Yeah, all right. So the other half of that series the wolves. Do you think uh, We as media members, and I count

myself here because we love Anthony Edwards, love watching him play, but do you think we've maybe done him a little disservice with the expectations and the hype? Because it feels like these playoffs, we have speed run him through the media of like, oh, he's MJ, oh, and now he's somehow overrated, which was our ratings. We're the ones who rated him this. We subjected him to that. I mean, look. He's so talented and he's such a personality. We have not frankly had this kind of guy in a long time. I was talking to someone from the league office today. The stars who are around 25, 26 year old are more a little more mild mannered, right? They're

not talking trash on when they know their mic. They're not calling out Irving after a game, which is unbelievable. You know, they're not they're not saying they should be starting they should be doing this. You know, he's such a great personality. John Moran is spectacular. But obviously, there's a lot of parents who aren't sending their kids to be like, go with the guy, go emulate the guy with the gun. So I think John is going to have a spectacular future. And I actually think that he's a really fun guy to talk to. And I think, I think he's going to be a success.

But aunt, there's nothing not to love right now. So I think that's part of it. And then yeah, the young Jordan thing is real. It's just the problem is that everyone took that to mean Jordan right so the young Jordan thing right was Kevin Garnett was doing a show with me and he's like oh he's I love him he's great he's an 84 Jordan right so he's he was the one of the first to like really publicly make that I was in the middle of season and he was saying 84 Jordan and I was in the middle of the season. And he was saying, 84 Jordan. And we were on the set with a bunch of other guys.

And Rondo was like, dude, he's not Michael Jordan. And Keiji was like, no, no, no. 84 Jordan, 84 Jordan, young, young. That guy's, you know, not Keiji talks. That guy's nice. So I saw Ant two weeks later. And I was like, Kevin Garnett says you're like an 84 Jordan. And he was like, I like that 84 Jordan. Yeah, that's me. That's me. That doesn't mean that

Kevin Garnett or anyone else who is in the league who's followed thinks that he's a six-time NBA finals winner. They just think that he bears a lot when MJ wasn't winning yet, that then he was showing a lot of the characteristics of that player. And I personally, I don't think it's even possible for someone to win six rings anymore. Like maybe as like the extra guy who goes tops from team to team or something, but as like the main guy, I just don't think that's available anymore. I mean, I don't think anyone can be the next Jordan in totality because you have this influx of international talent. Look at all the MVPs from the last five years, they've all gone to international players. All three guys who are MDP finalists this year were international players.

The competition is so much thicker from team to team and game to game. I just look at Denver, right? If they were in a different, more watered down NBA, they would have caked walk to the finals. They're so good, but that's not what the NBA is anymore. Every team has some great players. Yeah. Well, I was gonna bet the Bulls. Yeah, no, the Bulls don't. Well, DeMargero's on. Alex Caruso. Alex Caruso. Yeah. Alex Caruso is a great player. He's a great defensive player. No, no, no. I'm only teasing you. You think DeMargero's? Yeah, there's nothing that can be teased. They're just, they've become apathetic. They've done the thing where it's like you never want to be. They're just, they're become apathetic. They've done

the thing where it's like, you never want to be as a sports fan, where it's like, they don't care about actually trying to win a championship. So why should I care as much year in and year out? Yeah, it hurts. It hurts. But that was it. Yeah. I mean, that's- It's sad to see what Big Cat's become. He's the killer whale. I know. I appreciate him burying his soul like this. It just is what it is. Just brave of you. It's very brave.

That was a good context on the KG, Anthony Edwards, 84, Jordan thing. When you're talking to KG and working with him, what does he think about this Celtics team? You know, look, those guys, I work with a bunch of those guys. I work with Rondo, I work with Pierce, I work with KG. They're all really in. They're behind these guys. You know, KG and Paul have such a connection with Tatum and Brown because it was literally their trade that allowed the stuff to get them. So they definitely

feel the sort of responsibility to them and for them. And those guys feel a lot of gratitude toward it for them. And Jason Tatum actually spent this past summer working out with Paul Pierce every day. Like they were in LA every morning, 730 or whatever, in the gym together. I asked the Celtics owner a couple weeks ago, I was like, Hey, I'm watching this all summer. I'm seeing the clips on social media. I talked to Paul. I was like, Do you want your young star hanging out with Paul Pierce? Like, what are we talking now? And then Paul was in the room and asked this question. And everyone laughed. And he was just like, Yeah, he's now? And if I was in the room and asked a question and ever laughed and he was just like, yeah, he's like for the workouts.

Sure. And Paul was like, I tell him after we're done, you go your way. I'll go mine because I got different. I got a different job than you. So, yeah, I think those guys are connected to to the Celtics. I know you're going to see Paul for sighted games. KG just doesn't go to as many games. So I don't know if he's going to show up or not. But I'm pretty sure that you will see some of those 08 Celtics even more at these playoff

games because that organization, there is such a history, there is such a connection that I feel like they're going to show up. The shocking thing to me there was that Paul Pierce is in a gym at 730 in the morning every day. Probably didn't go to sleep. Tell me about it. Yeah. Dude, Tell me about it. Dude, tell me about it.

But it's true. It's like, I don't know if it's like so many years of your body being told this is the time you wake up and this is the time you work out. I've been like, did you reset the clock on the phone so we'd think it was 7 in the morning? And it wasn't, but apparently no. Yeah, do like a 2.30 workout, and then you just like change the time.

You just put a fake timestamp on it, and you put it on Instagram. Everybody thinks that you're there at like six, getting shots up. That'd be smart too. Yeah, man, getting shots up. Yeah. Yeah. I actually, I didn't know if Hank

was gonna be with you guys today. He's here. I have like an opinion. Yeah. Oh, she has an opinion. Can we talk Celtics? Yeah, he's very sensitive. He's very sensitive. If you say, if you say, no, yeah, if you say Jason Tatum, uh, had a bad quarter, he will get very upset. He give you a look. Yeah. Well, no, this is, I think he's gonna be happy with me.

So I was really, okay. The Pacers choked away their chance to win game one. Like I got to say that at the outside, that's a hundred 100%, no walking that around, no back and forth. They had many chances to wrap up the game, they didn't. The biggest one being, why in the hell was someone inbounding the ball on their own half of the court when they had a timeout and could have advanced the ball up the court? Like Jaylen Brown can't hit a three

if they're not on that side of the court. So I can't even understand some of the crap that happened. However, once they got to overtime, Boston still had to win the game. So the Patriots choked the win, but I've had these arguments over the last two days with people being like, oh, they handed them, they handed the Celtics to win.

What about the way the Celtics have or have not shown up at the end of really big games that we've criticized them for over and over again, would tell you that's a foregone conclusion. Jalen Brown had to hit a shot at the end of regulation that he is hitting these days corner threes 22% of the time. That means 78% of the time that ball would not go in, right?

And then in overtime, the Pacers actually scored the first bucket. so Indiana could have we've seen at times where teams winning and then they go to overtime and then they just were like great we're putting our foot on the gas and keep going and Bolton was like no we're actually the ones that are gonna keep going and they totally overmatched them and Tatum in the final minute hit that huge three that it was only one point game and if that ball missed they're running down the other side of the court and Pacers even it up so So I, I agree with the choking on the

Pacers side to Pacers agree with the choking. They said it, they're like, the mistakes were on us. We, we, we lost ourselves the game, but they didn't make Boston with Boston actually one. Hold on, hold on, Rachel, hold on, hold on. You haven't been on it. We haven't had you on in a while and that's our fault. But you got to remember how this show works. We don't do these things for Hank. We don't compliment him and tell him that everything's going to be okay. I don't like what just happened there. Even if it was true, even if it was true. No, what the reason why I wanted to talk with him about this is because I have gotten killed the last two days for saying this. Yeah. And I'm looking for someone to back me up. Okay. That's fair. I just don't understand. You also didn't talk about, you didn't talk about, you didn't talk about Halliburton diving out of bounds earlier.

You're giving him confidence Rachel. There's all these things that added up. It was a big time fluke win for the Celtics Rachel. Well it's just good to hear from a media member who's not completely biased against the Celtics and trying to spin every game in Jason Tatum's performances. No, I'm not. Bias for the Celtics. Yeah, you are. You're co-host of the show. Rachel, would you admit as a media member, the media bias against Jason Tatum is insane and has been insane since the playoff Sunday? No, you're being ridiculous. You're being absolutely ridiculous. This guy's made all NBA for a theme over and over and over again.

Nothing but success. He was on my MVP ballot this year. What are you talking about? He's been in six of eight conference finals. How is everybody against him? What's wrong with you? Well, people expect... I think the problem with Jason Tatum is... And it's not a problem. It's more that he is so highly acclaimed. He is so good at basketball, but there are levels to this So when I say we when I say I would rather have Luca than Jason Tatum Hank gets really pouty and says that I'm being Anti-Jason Tatum when in reality it's just no is a you're just being true. Yeah, Lucas. That's true He's one of the top three players in the NBA. That's just a fact. He's probably four or five. Like I would rather have Luca than Jason Tatum, but that doesn't mean I wouldn't have Jason Tatum over like a boatload of people. No, but thanks that you're being

the best. Right. We don't get participation trophies. Right. Someone's the best. That means they're the best. That means other people are worse, but then those people are better than other people. Hank doesn't agree with that. Yeah. Yeah. The idea that there could be a question in the series I'm at, I'm at the Timberwolves Dallas series right now, that like, oh, who's the best player on the court? I'm like, guys, we know who the best player on the court is. The best player on the court is Luka Dantridge. Yes.

That doesn't mean his team's going to win, because Minnesota is deeper, and Minnesota has guys who are right there under him, and Anthony Edwards is ascending, and all that stuff we're talking about. But this whole like, I was rather an aunt than Luca. No, it's crazy. Thank you. A generational talent. Thank you. I just think we got to, you know, and Jason Tatum is fantastic, but he's not Luca yet. Maybe he, Jason Tatum could have an amazing summer, right? Let's say they get to the finals.

Let's say they win the finals. Let's say that he hits these money shots. We haven't seen him kind of sink some of the real game winning NBA finals kind of, the whole world is watching shots yet. If he can do that, if he can power through and kind of create that, and then he's gonna be on Team USA this summer,

everyone's gonna watch those games. Like the best team since Barcelona and the dream team, right? So if he can have a good role on that team and look good and be playing with players and make them look good and against competition that will frankly largely make him look good. People could have a totally different opinion of Jason Tatum as a whole by the end of the summer than they do right now. But he's going to do that stuff. Yeah, that's going to do it. It's a fair point, Hank. I agree with that. I agree with that. But then Anthony Edwards, we just heard from, was it Windhorse that told us that he was the best player on team USA? Yeah, well, he was the mic. He was well, that was the team USA. That was like the the junior USA. So that was the team at the World Championships. So some of the big stars, the guys who were going like staff for LeBron or any of those guys, or even the slightly younger generation who are really big, they weren't on that team. That was sort of the big stars, the guys who were going like staff for LeBron or any of those guys or even the slightly younger generation who are really big, they weren't on that team. That was sort of the, you know, if you're going to be a fringe addition to team USA for the Olympics, come play on this team and show us who's really good and who deserves

like the last three or four spots. I'm glad you, and Ant nailed it. I'm glad you brought up LeBron. Thank you for introducing that topic of conversation. Never talk about it. So there's, we got, we got a couple of coaching vacancies right now. They happen to be in Los Angeles where LeBron James plays currently and in Cleveland where LeBron James is from the Cleveland Cavaliers. LeBron has some ties to the Cleveland area. Are you saying he should coach the Cleveland Cavaliers?

We're actually- Oh! Actually, we had not thought about that. Sounds like you just said it. I think Bronnie should coach the Cleveland Cavaliers. I did not say that. I think they got Bronnie as the coach, LeBron goes back to Cleveland.

We're not aggregating me. We were actually saying that it'd be very funny if LeBron got JJ hired in LA and then left the Lakers to go to, because he knows that he doesn't get along well with coaches that'd be too big of a spotlight on JJ for his first stop. So I'm going to leave town because we're bros, we can still do the podcast. But what do you think is going to happen with those coaching vacancies? If you could read the tea leaves. I don't know, man. Like LeBron is his camp is like being very ardent and

making sure it's out there LeBron is not gonna have anything to do with this coaching search and told the team he doesn't want any part of it and I get that because if you don't have any ownership over the hire people can't blame you for it and people like to blame him for a lot of things and then if it goes sour if it goes south you can be like I didn't ask for him hey man I didn't ask for him and you can sour, if it goes south, you can be like, I didn't ask for him. Hey, man, I didn't ask for him. And you can check out if you want to, or you can be like, I don't like him or whatever. I get all that. That's the advantage for LeBron. But it's not the advantage for the organization. You want to make him have ownership of it. You want him to say, I like this guy, I can work with this guy. For that very reason, Darwin Ham's relationship

deteriorated with LeBron and Anthony Davis over like the last three or four months of the season and that was it. He was out. So if the organization wants a coach where the players feel a little obligated like we're just talking about Luca and Kyrie and Jason Kitt. That respect is just earned over being a Hall of Famer in the NBA. You've got to have someone even if you're putting in a guy kind of you know more just sticking him in there as opposed to a lifelong fandom, you have to have someone, even if you're putting in a guy kind of, you know, more just sticking him in there as opposed to a lifelong fandom, you have to have a guy that the players are willing to say we stand by this guy. We believe in, we'll listen to him yell at us. So if I'm the organization that by the way has had six coaches in 13 years and recognizes, that front office recognizes

they got to, this carousel is not working. It's not, despite the bubbles, it's not how you win championships long term. this carousel is not working. It's not like the bubbles. It's not how you win championships long term is that, you know, they've got to have buy-in from the stars. And if I were the Lakers, I would say, I appreciate you don't want to be involved. We don't have to share with anyone you were involved. We can do it behind the scenes, but we need you involved. So I don't know how that's going to play out. But I was, when I saw that, I was like, that's not the best version of this. Yeah. Maybe, maybe Pat Riley comes home. I think Pat Riley and LeBron have softened a little bit.

The white hot hatred that was coming from Miami after LeBron left, I think maybe turned down a little bit. But I would not expect Pat Riley to be entering coaching or management in LeBron James any time soon. Tom Kreen coached up Anthony Edwards, made him into the player he is today. coaching, or management in the front games anytime soon. Tom Crean coached up Anthony Edwards. Made him into the player he is today. I had a question about the Timberwolves.

One more about the Wolves. They've got a lot of people on their team that could be looked at as being leaders of the team for different reasons. So behind closed doors, which one of those guys between obviously Ant Rudy is he's outspoken he's like a loop and kind of goofy but I feel like he is an outspoken guy cat and then you got some role players to that I feel like Nas read might be a leader that team too when when they're just on the other Mike Conley yeah so so behind closed doors who is who's the straw that serves that drink who is the the alpha

on that team well they found out a way straw that serves that drink? Who is the the alpha on that team? Well, they found out a way to have two guys. Right. So Ant is the one who's the alpha. And I got to give a lot of credit to Carana and Finney Towns, by the way. There's a lot of guys who would have had someone like that younger coming up and be like, screw that, get me out of here. I'm not dealing with this. And he is he actually championed campaign.

I mean, Ant being the alpha even before it really happened. He was like, this guy, this is the guy, this is the guy. And so I think he should get credit for that. Ant is 100% the alpha in terms of, he's the most outspoken, he plays as hard as he can on both sides of the floor and that has earned him kind of premature respect from guys who are a lot older than him,

even though he's only 22 years old. He is the face of the team, he loves talking shit, he's 100% what we consider an alpha. That does not mean he's a leader behind closed doors. I think that Mike Conley's importance to this team cannot be understated and I think it's kind of like Kyrie, I'm not sure you can be 22 and be the guy behind closed doors who can really pull guys aside and give them advice or have the heart-to-hearts or whatever because you're just filling it out yourself. This is Anthony Edwards' first conference finals, you know, all of that stuff.

Mike Conley has been around the block. And I think because he's so well liked, he won teammate of the year, that award, like again, I think this is not the first time this season, like he just, he has this way with everyone. No one feels like he's pulling anything on them. He just wants them to succeed. He's got a great temperament and personality. So I think it's kind of, they've handed off different parts of that world to different guys. And then Rudy, man,

I had, did an interview with Rudy this morning and man, he's still, we were talking about defensive player of the year and he's still not so happy about how people feel about him winning. Yeah. Yeah. He takes that very seriously. I mean, well, what do you think? I think Mike Conley, what, what him winning defensive player of the year? Yeah. Well, were you, were you in for that or no? Uh, yeah, I'm in for it. I just, you know, it's a regular season award. I think it helps that he stinks so much on offense that his defense stands out so much. That's what I, that's what the key is, right?

Like if you're a really shitty offensive player and you play very, very good defense, people like defensive player. He has some good offensive game. I mean, I don't want to be put in a position of defending Rudy Gobert, but he's had some strong offensive games. Yeah. The problem is with all these awards, it, the playoffs start to bleed into the regular season. It's what you did the year before where like Jokic before he won his first title, people were like, how could we give him, you know, multiple MVPs? Right. And so I think that's probably what is hurting Rudy Gobert in terms of public perception is he wins the award. He deserves to win the award. And then we watch the playoffs and it's like he's, there's been times

when he's been played out of a series where it's like you can't even have them on the floor. Not talking about this year, but in past couple games with Yolkich where he just abused him right where it was like Rudy should not be on the floor defensively and the and the and the award comes out simultaneous with what we're watching. How does this work? Yeah. Yeah. So yeah, I kind of think they should give out all the awards right at the end of the regular season Yes, otherwise you have this danger of that happening and it's it's kind of bad I mean, you know Nicola Okut's embarrasses everyone right like he's I Mean, I think

Yeah, all right good he is fucking amazing Yes, like I mean there's you need to use the curse word part because there's no other way to say it Like if you're bored by him, if you don't think he's good if you're like, oh, he's lumpy and I don't know Like you're just not paying attention or you don't know basketball like he is exceptional. So I yeah, he embarrasses a lot of people I was shocked. He embarrassed Rudy Rudy gives his critics evidence He hands them things to criticize them about but I kept saying I voted for him for defensive player of the year and people gave me the hardest time and I was like how can you match him with Hakeem Elijah for four defense player of the years he's not at that level I'm like Hakeem Elijah was not on the ballot guys right like I

can only vote for who played the best this season and his numbers and anchoring the number one defense and having a team finished near the top of the conference and we don't have to worry about this next year when Wemby's going to win the next five or whatever. Yeah. It's a weird way to look at it. Where they're like, hey, well, this guy won it four times. Is he as good as that guy? And same thing with like Lucas or with with Jokic's MVP. Yeah. They're like, look at the other guys that have won three of them. Yeah. If he doesn't belong in that conversation. If you did it honestly, MJ and LeBron should have more MVPs. That's just a fact. But that's just how voting works. Yeah, that's how voting works

Yeah, bananas. Yeah. Yeah, it's very weird. So you since you cost I have a question about Luca Because he gives a lot of shit to the referees, right? So everyone that's watching Luca a lot of people don't like the fact that after every every play It feels like every pass sometimes even he'll be in the ref Sorry, there's some times like on the goaltend that they called last night Luca was calling the goaltend before the ball even went through the basket. He was like underneath the basket telling the ref We got the call when he yells at the refs. Does he he does he curse in Slovenian and the refs just So that's why he gets away with it Does he curse in Slovenian and the refs just don't know? Oh yeah, he does all the things.

So that's why he gets away with it because the refs don't understand. He gets away with some of it, but then he'll go and start cursing at them and arguing with them in English, and they're like, shh. Do it the other way. They can't understand you. Yeah. And I don't know. I mean, look, we've been through so many rounds of, you know, we've talked to Luka and he understands and he knows he can't do this as much and it's distracting for him and it's directed for the team. He doesn't get down to the other side of the court. He doesn't win these arguments. Like, why is he doing it?

We've gone through Luca saying, you know, he, he had a game in the last series where he didn't talk to the officials once. And so of course everyone noticed. And afterward we asked him, Hey, what was that? And he's like, Oh, everyone sat down with me, Jason, Kyrie, you gotta stop doing this. They kept telling me, you know, why do you play basketball? Remember the joy of the game.

Remember that it's fun. Like that was the approach they took this year. They've taken like six approaches with him. This year's approach is remember the joy of the game, remember how fun it is, just have fun. Don't worry so much about all this stuff. And he played one game like that. And the next game, he was right back to arguing every single call

So I don't know how you fixed it it's hurts him more than it hurts anyone else and I Don't he's such a great and smart player. I don't know why he can't move past it. I think that's what gives him joy though Yelling at the refs. Yeah That's why he got into playing basketball. Yeah, he just likes to yell at refs. Yeah. I wonder if any of the refs, if any of them have started to learn Slovenian so they can figure out when he's saying the words that you're not allowed to say so I can tee you up.

Joey Crawford would learn Slovenian. I bet they know some of them, right? I bet they know some of them. In the languages of the guys who are front and center, I bet they know some of those words. For sure, yeah. Because they get called them a lot. Yeah, yeah. All right, I had one last-

What'd they call me? Yeah, yeah. I had one last question for you, Rachel. A rollback question, r-h-o-b-a-c-k.com promo code, take 20% off your first purchase. Q-zips, polos, hoodies, joggers, shorts, rollback.com. This is just who do you have in the finals, who you have winning. It's always nice when we have people on later on in the in the playoffs because you just have a better chance of getting this right. Like we'll have we'll probably have for solo on like game five of the finals

and be like all right who do you got winning but yeah who do you have you because you can get credit for it. Yeah I mean I think this is one a hard one to call like I was such a big believer in Denver, and I was frankly shocked in the fourth quarter of that series. Like, I just, I don't know what happened. I still can't tell you what happened in the fourth quarter of that series.

I mean, obviously Minnesota played, you know, great, but they had to, you know, Denver, Denver just, I don't understand it. So I was willing to put Denver up against everyone. Now that the team I thought was kind of unbreakable is gone, my bearings are not right. I think whoever comes out of this series could absolutely win the finals.

And with the Celtics, you just don't know. And I don't want to disrespect the Pacers. I would not pick them in a finals matchup. I would not pick them in the Eastern Conference finals matchup like I'm picking the Celtics in that one. The Celtics, you don't have enough information to know if they're good enough yet. And it drives, I know, Hank's probably boiling over there, it drives Celtics fans crazy,

because like, we can only play who's in front of us. Yeah, but that doesn't mean that I now have enough information. Like, I don't know. I don't know if you have what it takes, because I haven't seen it yet. I did not see it in the NBA finals that they played against the Warriors,

where they just kind of fell apart as that series went on. Like, I have not seen the evidence yet that you can win an NBA finals. That doesn't mean you can't. And I absolutely believe that they could. But how would you know? You just they haven't been there and showed us that they could. So that's not their fault. It doesn't mean that they can't win. But I couldn't call it once we get to the finals because the Celtics are like a black box. You just don't know what's in there yet.

Yeah. All right, so who's the winning? Mavs? Yeah, that's my answer. Mavs? That's my answer. That was a good answer. That was such a long answer.

I forgot that you didn't answer it. You didn't answer it. That's a great answer. Mavs? Thank you. Wolves? Thank you. Thank you.

There you go. Just not the Pacers. Not the Pacers. Maybe the Celtics. That was smart. And then also maybe whoever wins. Now I might have to Just not the Pacers. Not the Pacers. Maybe the Celtics. That was smart. And then also maybe whoever wins. Now I might have to root for the Pacers, just because that would be... I mean, the funniest possible outcome for this podcast would be the Pacers.

Yeah, for sure. Yeah. I assume you guys are rooting for the Pacers anyway. No. No. I want to see the Celtics do well. I support my friend Hank. I want nothing.

Yeah, me too. All right. He's a heartbroken Massachusetts sports fan. Want I want to see the Celtics do well, I support my friend Hank. I want nothing He's a heartbroken Massachusetts sports fan has not had a lot of success. I want to see reverse the curse Yeah, it's fucked the Pacers right now in this house. It's fucked the Pacers. Yeah. Yeah Yeah, I feel like this they just want me to lose my Never win game two is he one of those guys? Are you one of the you can never win game two is he one of those guys Yeah, it's a bad game. He also just said we just want to see him lose in the finals I That is ridiculous. I would never think that

No, it's a hundred percent sure I don't I don't want to see You'd hate you'd hate to see it if it happened We would have to podcast about it. We would have to. You're going to hate watching Hank if he loses in the finals. Everyone, everyone, the Royal U. We will hate it, yeah. Exactly.

Who would have wanted to see that? Well, what's his prediction for tonight? If Boston can't win game twos, but if they have that one tonight, what do you think? I think today, today they break the reverse the curse. Win by 20, Jalen Brown drops 40. It's a must win for the Celtics too. All NBA snub, he's going to come out hot. Must win.

The Pacers, they don't lose at home. They don't. They haven't lost at home since March 18. That's true. Have not lost at home since the middle of March. It's a must win for Hank tonight. Yeah. Can I brag for a second?

Yeah. So we both work with DraftKings and DraftKings has me do like a parlay bet every Tuesday and it really, I had to learn a lot about gambling and how parlay's work. I'm going to just admit that. This was not my natural, I'm not an expert to be with, but I'm proud because I've had more and more wins lately. And I had a triple win parlay on the Celtics in the last game. Wow. And I got it. Wow. Congratulations. You should brag about that. Yes. See? So since he was saying Jalen Brown is going to drop 40, I was like, yeah, I picked Jalen Brown's numbers. I picked Jason Tate was rebounding. I had Al Horford. Like I was in. I was rolling.

What do you have tonight? So there you go. Rachel's secret parlor. I don't have to pick tonight. All right, so we'll have to turn it on on Tuesday for DraftKings. Yeah, I love it. Yeah.

That's a good plug. There you go. That's a good plug. Whoa. Rachel, it was great having you back on the show. We'll make sure that we have you back on sooner than later and appreciate it, as always. As always, boys. I always happy to be here.

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Thursday morning, 3 a.m. Now, I already asked, I'm going to ask again because you guys didn't give me an answer. Shane Gillis is Adam Sandler. Who's Rob Schneider? Well, currently it would be Gerben. Yeah I guess. Oh you guys aren't even in like the... you guys are kinda on the outs? No he's in... no no no no no. I'm recurring character with Schultz. So I'm in like 3 of the 6 episodes. Chris is in the shop. He's one of the boys in the shop. Yeah yeah yeah. Did you guys help write it?

I didn't. A little Yeah. Yeah. Did you guys help write it? I didn't a little bit Yeah, but yeah, what does that mean a little bit? I don't know I was like on set to get thrown out I was there the whole yeah throwing out ideas Like I don't know some of this stuff Was kind of based on scripts that we wrote a long time ago, but it changed a lot Yes, like punching it up changing some punch line. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, mostly I wouldn't yeah I wasn't like writing it in the room writing with it Is it awesome like is it like set in that like you guys are gonna be on a Netflix show like this is all

It feels like the whole now is like been on this like meteor meteoric rise. Yeah, like it's nuts to watch Yeah, it is. It's weird man There's like so many different variants of all of our group that like we've been doing stuff for like 12 years together in different aspects. Right. So seeing it all finally take hold is like, you know, I don't know. It hasn't sunk in. I don't think. Yeah, I don't. I still don't really believe it's real. Once it comes out and people are watching it and then they recognize you from it. Yeah. Everyone's just gonna call me a WAP all day. Yeah. That's like you've reached the highest part of an Italian. Are you guys ready to just let fame go to your head if it becomes a smash hit and you're always gonna be known as the guy from tires?

I don't know. I still don't believe that will happen. Yeah. That like, yeah. No, it's like consider, I mean, the writers, yeah, it was like Shane, Gerben and McKeever. That like, yeah. No, it's like, I mean, the writers, yeah, it was like Shane, Gerben, and McKeever. But like, like I said, I think this is, this is the one and I think they'll, they'll have as many seasons as they want. Yeah. It's, it's a matter of, but like everybody's so talented that I think it's going to be like one of those. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think it'll be one of those things where like, they're just going to go, okay, this is a jumping point to the next project and it's gonna be something There's just such a great group and it's corny as fucking hell But like it's an octopus where like everybody's tentacle is a different like, you know, we had different qualities and yeah talents

But we're all going the same. It's it's awesome because I love the idea of like, you know comedy is obviously a very Singular thing where it's like, you know, you're a comedian, you're up there, you're not competing against everyone, but you are, but like seeing a group of guys do it together is the coolest. Like that is why the Adam Sandler, like I think people keep getting drawn back to it because like he's like, I got my friends and this is awesome

and we like to make movies together. Yeah. Yeah, I think that was, that's crazy. I mean, the idea that we get to be part of this show and that it's being made and it's literally just all of our friends is same. Like to even be doing this in any capacity is nuts. Yeah. The fact that it's just all people we would hang out anyway. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's so important. It's like, you know, the quality of work you guys do here is because you're hanging around each other all the time because you're our boys and like the work environment.

And I think like the work environment, every set when it's just us, like the way McKeever directs and stuff, and then like the way they write the scripts, there's always a lot for improv. So like whatever you see on screen might have never made this script is just like a function for like a story. And then because we're all so comfortable, there's not some strange director. You're not working with an actor you just met. It's just like, you know exactly how they interact.

A lot of times it's just Gherbin fighting with Shane the way Chris and I would fight. It's like you're like, you want to get a cheeseburger from Chris, go. And then it's like, it's immediately good. Right, it's natural. The next level of this is like as it evolves, what Sandler especially did is like later on

He just started doing his movies with his boys at like vacation destinations Two months. Yeah, like Shane. Let's not make tire shop. How about we do a TV show about like yacht repairman? Yeah, I started thinking about doing just a road trip movie yeah, yeah Yeah, and I already have like the, but that's kind of the same selfish, you know, mentality going let's just go do all the coolest shit. Let's do a bucket list. If you were about to die, what would be all the coolest shit you would want to do? Yeah, a tire shop, but it's in Cabo. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

All the women are naked. There's cocaine inside the tub. That's sick though. So, and you guys just both moved to Austin, right? Yeah. So how's that cultural shock from New York? Cause you guys were all living together in Queens, right? Yeah. Cause the two of you, were you guys living in the same apartment? Yeah. So I was there, I was there for like 10, 10, 11 or something like that. And Shane

was with me for like five or six and then Chris moved in. He was with us for like four. Yeah. All three of us were together for four Shane moved upstairs Chris and I together for another year here and then Shane fucked off to Austin we followed him like three months later in terms of culture shock it's like I don't know if it's my age like Chris said it on the other pod where it's like you don't realize the Northeast Philly in New York it's like you're constantly under fucking mayhem. Yeah. Your angst is up, your anxiety's flying, you're just angry for no fucking reason and I got

to Texas and I was like oh this is the quality of life that people talk about. Yeah. Like you're peaceful. It's a different way to live. Yeah. You're space, nice. Yeah. Everyone's saying like nice little.

Yeah. Do you think it's just surface-y stuff? I like it. Yeah. The explosion in my endorphins and my fucking brain when a neighbor comes out and just like waves. Yeah, it's nice, right? It's so beautiful. So what part of town are you guys in? I'm in South Austin.

Okay. I'm downtown, yeah. South Austin is still pretty cool, right? Yeah, there's like two or three different, I mean there's a lot of outdoor fucking breweries and stuff like that, but there's a couple around me that are just different, I mean, there's a lot of outdoor fucking breweries and stuff like that, but there's a couple around me that are just like, just enough artsy, that's not too hipstery. Yeah.

It's real, the people are real, you don't feel like you're in a corny space. It doesn't seem like Brooklyn, if you can understand that. It's not like Texas Brooklyn. Going from like a Manhattan restaurant to an Austin restaurant and seeing the vast difference in size is just so crazy. So I did the opposite. I moved from Austin to New York City. Oh no shit.

And then I walked into my first restaurant when I got there and I was like, how do I walk to my... Yeah, where's the... Yeah, yeah. Meanwhile you're in Austin, you've got a backyard to every restaurant that's like four acres with dogs running around. It's also so easy to find shit in Austin, because you're just walking around, you hear like good music playing, you're like, I'll go check that out.

Just follow it, yeah. In New York, you have to like find the spot where cool shit, you have to like dig into this nest of shit to find like a cool hang. Yeah, I just, I love the idea of Tommy just being, I've said it, but like you are the end of Goodfellas, just walking around being like, is that guy waving at me? Yeah? Fuck you, too

No, they really are dude even the customer service for like the utility bills the people are just Yeah, they're like home. I gotta say like I gotta switch over gas and stuff, and I'm just Deep breath dredging you know dreading rather talking to this fucking woman Who's gonna give me a hard time getting my gas turned over and she's just sweet as pie picks up right away. I'm not on hold for 30 fucking minutes She's asked about my day before we get to business Sorry, where's the different are you gonna get soft though? Oh, yeah I've already got you're gonna miss that that East Coast like you know combativeness No, I think I was in the trenches long enough that I can never on you know I can never go back to the pussy lifestyle

Yeah, I still I you cut your like a we're in like a honeymoon phase yeah it's like man it's so nice down I can't believe we're down here yeah I think it will after a year we'll slowly slip out I'm kind of rooting for you guys to get soft yeah and you'll know it too I think the year thing is like it's a good that's a good mile milestone right there is like a year because you're gonna get experience this summer because I have no idea what that's a good mile milestone right there is like a year cuz you're gonna get experience this summer Cuz I have no idea what that's gonna be like you do no fucking idea I don't know if I'm gonna enjoy it or not and then

You go. Okay. Well, I'm in space. I'm in a lot of space. Do I miss the animals? But the good thing is like the club by where we you know, what mothership is on 6th Street Yeah, and that's mayhem. So we get a little get a little bit of both Yeah, and 6th Street at night. It turns into just a clusterfuck. It's Mardi Gras. So there is some chaos there for sure Yeah, it's crazy. Your brains kind of your brain. What do you mean? Oh, that's good. That was deep I mean, I was just like deep. I don't know I feel like as much as as much as things have changed you're still kind of like a mania in the same As much as things have changed, you're still kind of like... A maniac.

Yeah, right. You can't escape your own brain. Yeah, yeah. Like, I don't know. Do you feel like you're way different now than you were? In New York, New York does, I think it's more just like there's a deep breath that you can take when you leave New York that you didn't realize you were holding it in. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

You know, you're like, oh shit, I was... Chicago's a perfect lateral move because you still have a beautiful city lots of entertainment That's not just one note and end piece right and there's trees and like parks and stuff Yeah, you're like, yeah, you just kind of like hold it in your like your shoulders. No for sure shit Yeah, I was kind of just I say that's how that's why Philadelphia is one of the ugliest cities because I think they're all born Beautiful and just the tension around them just gets them like they start hunkering down they start losing their size and their eyebrows get down because they're always like fuck you fuck you and they just turn into orcs always protecting like one little piece of land

like my dad always protected the front grass all the time they get the fuck off the lawn like kids would just walk along a corner yeah just angry his whole fucking life not knowing he could go 30 miles this way and just live in Lancaster. Yeah have sex with his wife again Question though like your brain is your brain. So like if you if you move somewhere you never I think people do change though I think yeah, I like our environment. Yeah, like if we lived in San Diego I'll be so how do you not become like we actually discussed it like, you know I sexual hey Hey, Kwanus moves California's like we can't be sports fans the same way in California

Like I just don't think you can I don't think you can matter as much. Yeah, I mean, it's that beautiful every day I don't I don't know. I mean I agree with this a little bit, but I will say I don't know enough about the summer yet. I Do I will miss 1 million percent missed the change of seasons? Yeah. Yeah like that that to me all but you're talking about growing Up there. Yeah, it's hard to be a sports fan Yeah, we're just on the same level or just move I think if you move to California and maybe I'm way off but like if my team loses a big game and it's like Oh, it's 70 degrees I can go to the beach. Yeah, I just don't think you hold it in the same. Oh come on

Do you think so yeah? Oh, I think like a playoff loss in football when it's like you know No, this is where your brains already a brain your brains your brains Oh, you'd get to the beach you go. I'm sitting at a fucking beach. Oh, who the fuck do I think I am? Yeah, I think you're riding a bike along the beach is nice for two weeks, and then you start going fuck Does this I think eventually just takes over other people's brain take over your brains because you're out there you make new friends your friends Aren't as into sports because they grew up in San Diego, and they're not my friend You're not my friend. You're an acquaintance. I'm not going to use the F word on you.

I don't know, man. I feel like it would change us. Because right now, I think the beauty of this show sometimes is that we get pissed off over the smallest, most inconsequential things. Little tiny things, like the jerseys the Nuggets wore last night in game seven. Those were game two jerseys. They were not game seven. I agree with that 100%.

If I'm in San Diego, do you think I'm like I'm getting riled up about what the nuggets wore I think you get more I mean again if you transplanted there I think you get more mad you're just walking out into a nice sunny day Yeah, is like is like when you go in the locker room after a loss and people are dancing. Yeah. Yeah shut the music off This is not what a loss. Yeah, you guys having a good time Your brain is your brain. Yeah, yeah fucking tea This will be a big test will be the Eagle season in fucking Austin. Yeah. Yeah, will you be able to get fired up? Oh a hundred percent baby. Okay. Yeah, I mean you're in the thresher put me in Russia

Yeah, I mean our guy max he's he's, he's a big Philly fan and he, the Eagles torture him. He's just angry all the time. But again, it's great. It's great torture going fucking well. 11, 11 win season. I'll take it for a little while. The fumble in the super bowl is the shit that will always echo in your skull. Yeah. Cause you had the, like you had it. All the the momentum But if you're getting there and getting your ass whooped you still go back Maybe next you guys do any deep background research on the sod father the guy that put the grass down for that game No, I didn't do any research. I don't know. That's like suspect. Nice really suspect. Yeah, you should learn about no I've read enough and then I went I can't I'm not mentally strong emotionally strong enough for this shit

This guy he has been doing the the I read enough and then I went, I can't, I'm not mentally strong and emotionally strong enough for this shit. What's the deal with this guy? He has been doing the, uh, the groundskeeping work for the Chiefs for like what, 50 years? His whole life. He was, yeah. His last game. Yeah. The Super Bowl. And on the way out, they had all that controversy about how slick the grass was, how it was.

And the Chiefs knew. The Chiefs had the right cleats. Yeah. The Eagles didn't. Really? Guys. I did not paper over there That kind of shit matters dude

I like cuz certain again certain surfaces play to certain teams and like yeah That's what you know, I mean nuts look into it. Yeah, I liked it Tommy just like looked at the red of one paragraph on ESPN commas like I can't yeah We cannot handle. Yeah, it's like it's like a mother of six going a child was kidnapped in it's like I can't have that Reading about this kid fucking getting ass, right? Yeah, that would be the big test is like can you get worked up? I mean, yeah, you will be with Cowboys fans. So that does that'll be actually Yeah, yeah, get you angry. There's nothing worse than a Cowboys fan dude a Cowboys fan in Texas. I'll take it

I'll listen to you. Yeah, let's see in a Cowboys fan in Philly or anywhere but Texas You're a pile of garbage Interesting because I found that Cowboys fans outside of Texas are, they're more delusional about the Cowboys than the ones that are actually fans. Yeah, they just want to be something. They like the image of the Cowboys. Yeah, they fell for the American scene bullshit. Down there it's just Mexican dudes wanting to talk about something.

Yeah, yeah, they're more knowledgeable Cowboys fans in Texas than they are anywhere else. So are you from Austin? No, originally from DC Soamac fans in Texas than they are anywhere else. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, so are you from Austin? No, originally from DC so I'm a commander's football team Redskins fan. Oh sick. Whatever name is this year. Yeah It's awful I'm actually happy for the guys. You can't be mad at me. No, no, no, no. We're not a threat. Dude, no, but I am you guys did make some good changes. It's gonna take you got rid of that fucking pervert. That's great Yep, and which one?

It owns the organization. Oh, yeah. Yeah that guy the head Specify here. Yeah, I think the next five years gonna be a nice building squad for you boys Oh, that was a that's that that was mean Yeah, it's really cute time. I spent like we say that my dad Yeah, it's the last like seven years of my life. Just willing every every ounce of my inner being trying to get dance Snyder out. He's my biggest enemy. I just went after him all the time brought up a lot of old shit They did I was like I won't I won't live past this guy because he's a billionaire. So he's going to live to be like 110. So I can't die with him still as the owner. I got my wish. He sold the team. Now I'm the dog that caught the ambulance.

I'm like, I don't know. Now what? It was way easier to just like get mad at Dan Snyder for all my problems. Did you get any like legal issues with that? Like I know some of those guys like actually go after. Yeah, it happens with James Dolan in the Knicks a lot. Right. I feel like he goes after. I mean, we're banned from, we tried to do a show at where? The Beacon Theater?

Yeah, Beacon Theater. And we were told no. Really? Oh, he's owned by MSG? Yeah. Yeah. He owns a lot of stuff from George. And we sold shirts that said, sell the team eight years ago.

One of our other guys did hiss at him on the street. I don't know if that has anything to do with it. He literally hissed at him. Yeah, I'm not a huge fan of that guy. You had James Dolan? Yeah, yeah. Way to go out on a limb. Nobody, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

I don't understand why they can't force him out. I mean, how could you? Because it sets a bad precedent. If the other owners are like, hey, we gotta get this guy out, they make him sell the team, then they all know that they've got some skeletons. Yeah, but also they've got the whole fight.

It's like getting a new head coach. If you know the head coach is not great, but the offensive coordinator's boys are the head coaches. As soon as you get a new head coach, the whole system of coaches is good. No, no, no. This is a cultural problem. They got to make a change. Yeah, but you can't... Like Pete, you said-

You got to give them a handshake and say, hey, man. It's all billionaires who like- Thanks for coming. a change yeah but yeah like give me a handshake and say hey man it's all billionaires who like yeah like think about some of the guys that got kicked out of different places different teams like how it took like a long time or they had to do some real like Donald Sterling or you know the guy who was the guy who owned the Sun's or even the guy in the Panthers like they don't want to kick anyone out because then everyone could turn around Like but what about you? Yeah? Yeah, I think Jerry Jones doesn't have any skeletons in his closet where he's got skeletons in his fucking face Yeah, teeth are disgusting. Yeah, they don't want another owner to sell because then at the end of the day They're like shit somebody could make me sell because I've done some think about when Dan Snyder was getting under all that pressure like a

Year ago when it was right right getting to the point Where it was like oh shit. He's got to sell this team. You think it was a coincidence that Jerry Jones Pictures from when he was like protesting black Like that shit just starts coming out mudslinging yeah, right like oh you want to do it. Okay, we'll do it too like Steinbrenner I'm gonna tailgate that dude's funeral. Jerry Jones. Yeah Why you guys should like him? He's he is taking all the wrong. Yeah, he metals like outside of the 90s He just metals so much that it's like yeah I mean

I actually respect Jerry Jones and the fact that if I were an owner I would do the same thing and be like I'm The GM too. I'm the coach like I'm calling the plays. It's my team. Yeah, I like that. I would do the same thing I was once you start eating exclusively applesauce. You gotta hang it up. He made an AI like Yeah, he makes people do a tour of Cowboys Stadium and there's an AI Jerry Jones that you can talk to yeah If you're like a fan going through really well, yeah He's in that like late stage the the super rich guys that get so obsessed with living forever and they start doing weird shit like taking their kids' blood and shit. Yeah, but that part I get.

Taking people's blood? Yeah, dude. If you were old and a billionaire, everything has gone right, so right in your life. The only thing that's coming for you is death, and it would be so unacceptable. I don't know, man. I feel like I've had so much fun already. I'm only 44. I'm cool with a dirt nap at this point.

No, you aren't. Dude, doubling? Right now? No, no, no. Imagine if I make it to fucking 80. Yeah, but I think that's the thing. I'm so exhausted. If you make it to 80,

you probably had a ton more success. You're like, this rocks, I wanna keep going. Nah, at that point you gotta fucking pump your dick up to touch anything. Being 150, 100% be drinking children's blood to stay young. You'll be on, still. Yeah, you'll be on fucking.

I started at 35. I know. Tire lotion king. Tire season 200, you're like, I started at 35. I know tire lotion King tires season 200 Yeah, I want to keep doing this. Yeah. Yeah, don't have that cars anymore. Yeah Nobody's coming It's webinar. He said go take your top off the science fiction what the fuck That's so sorry. So you guys are on the road doing your podcast on the road I gotta say the Chevy chase clip Yeah, so funny. Yeah, I mean that I laughed I that was one of those clips that I saw and I started showing everyone

Chris you've never told the story. Can you tell the story correctly right now? Uh, you've never told a story worse than If there's one clip that really resonates with our relationship that there's like three of them Which shows you how his brain works and how my brain works how our energies work and why our podcast work works that fucking clip Is exactly it we're in a car traveling to a show and he just brings up a Random joke because we were struggling at the beginning of the podcast cuz we're focused on The energy of the traffic and stuff and was our first like in car. We were driving through Chevy Chase, Maryland. Yeah, I didn't know that Okay, well and he and what he just was like and he goes, yeah

It's well you said I heard the guys a dick and I was like, yeah, he fucking kicked me off his trampling Yeah, yeah, and he said it just like that and I went I laughed and I was like, that's a good bit, dude Oh, no, I was like, oh, yeah, and he goes yeah, I was jumping too high And I thought it was just a corniest joke of all time. So like I thought that was cute. I was like, that's a good bit Yeah now that's a real thing that happened Every chase kicked me off his trampling And then my mind explodes going, what are you talking about? Why would you? Say it like that. Yeah, say it like that. No one says

it like that. So what happened? Well, so the best part is it's just, it's going to lead us right back. No redemption story. It's only one way to tell it. No, so I, I, it was freshman year of high school. So all of our middle school, my high it was freshman year of high school so all of our middle school my high school is like gigantic all of our middle schools like blended together and This kid in my biology cat class from another school I wound up be kind of like come becoming friends with them just in class And then he was talking about how he's dating Chevy Chase's daughter, and I was like what and Then he was like a couple weeks went by and it like kind of got around the class And then he invited like a bunch of us like me and like literally like 13 other kids

To go to Chevy Chase's house like his blood one afternoon after school so like After school we just got picked up in this giant van And we all went to Chevy Chase's house and then we get there, it's like, this is weird. It's just like in New York somewhere. And we get there, there's like a dance recital planned with like his daughter, whom I, this kid I know is dating. That's why you don't want to be too successful. Yeah. It was so weird. So the kid, like his daughter starts dancing with a kid that I played on like a

Connecticut New York like lacrosse all-star team with so I'm like what the fuck is this kid doing here and Apparently he'd been taking dance lessons the whole time Like a ballroom dancer so like and he saw me and was like fuck So now he has to do like ballroom dancing with Chevy Chase's daughter in front of us in like a barn. There's just 13 fucking- You didn't tell this part of the- Yeah, and we're all sitting there like- and the kids I was with were like much more just like, Fuck this fucking bitch.

Like, just ripping on him the whole time. So then that ended. You're just ripping for your boy? Yeah. And I was like, you know, I was like, one of of those things where I was like I always kind of wanted to be a comedian But I had no idea how to do it, and I'm like fucking at Chevy Chase's house, and I'm like I got to impress him somehow I'm like I know that I'm not gonna be able to like just joke around with them So I'm like I'm gonna impress him by how high I can jump on this trampoline and

Again, this is all new information to me. We're in his backyard and Like me and what this other kid get like we're taking turns going on the trampoline I'm on with this other kid and I'm jumping so fucking your headline in the trampoline dude I'm jumping so fucking your headline in the trample dude I'm crushing on the trample and he walks out and he's like standing there and I'm like just jumping as high as I fucking can being like Chevy Chase's I'm thinking Chevy Chase is gonna go holy shit this kid's got tops yeah yeah like what's your situation

yeah dude like you want to go on the road with me yeah yeah yeah are you a comedian I'm gonna make this kid a star. Yeah. And instead he goes, get off my trampoline. You're jumping too high. It's dangerous. And I was like, oh man, and I get off the trampoline and then he just jumps on the trampoline

with my friend and I was just standing there like. Dan. Just jealous. Yeah. He took your air? Yeah. So they just did that, and I wasn't allowed on the, the only thing I was good at, I wasn't allowed to do. That's such a little kid thing, too.

You remember when you were like 12, and you're like, if I shoot hoops, someone's going to drive by. Get me a whiffle ball right now. I need that kid in the NBA. Yeah. That's how my mom thought when I first started doing stand-up. Two years later, my boy Luke Cunningham got into Fallon as a writer.

My mom's like, why don't you just ask Luke to get you in? I was like, Mom, you think that's just how it works? Somebody just is doing that now and you just go, hey, Luke, can you ask Fallon? That's literally what happened with Shane. Never met Chevy chase again, right? No, no. He took us through his whole house. He played piano for us. Oh, what a dick. Hell yeah. Yeah. It was really crazy. And then we played a security guards and basketball on his like private court, his outdoor court. And then we played his security guards and basketball on his like private court his outdoor court, and then we just went home What a day I have heard yeah dick though and that story confirms it to me. Yeah. Yeah, it's funny

I like said that to someone once I was like he's a fucking dick man He treated us like a bunch of assholes, and he was like it was like it was when I was an adult There was another adult man. It was like yeah, you're a bunch of fucking 13 year olds at his house Was actually in the right yo Jerry Chase is a dick, but not this I don't like the more I say I don't even know how that kid pitched his girlfriend on the idea He you were in a barn watching his girlfriend and another dude dance dance Yeah, it was so...

One of those stories you just go, you check in on that person, find out where they live and go, hey, see if they're still alive or inflect, you know... Yeah. Self-inflicted gunshot. Yeah. Was it competitive ballroom dancing? Was it being like judged?

I mean, I don't remember being asked. Oh, ballroom dancing is competitive. Calm down, bro. Ballroom dancing? I'm being competitive. Yeah. Imagine just. I'm being competitive. I'm being competitive. I'm being competitive. I'm being competitive. I'm being competitive. I'm being competitive. I'm being competitive.

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I'm being competitive. I'm being competitive. I'm being competitive. I'm being competitive. I'm being competitive. I'm being competitive. I'm being competitive. I'm being competitive. I'm being competitive. I'm being competitive. I'm being competitive. I'm being competitive. I went out and was like smoking weed or something Like no, I was getting yelled at by I was like I just got back from Chevy Chase's house and they were like cool

Go to bed. Yeah, like take acid this time Yeah, I Remember like leading up to it. I was like, I'm not coming home after practice today I have to go to Chevy Chase's house and they were like, okay So walk us through the star of the podcast because I want to know how you guys got from like point a when you started Podcasting together to where we're at right now and how it took off the whole story behind it I mean we were just drinking together We yeah, we were just drunk over the pandemic together and we were watching we were going through the Sopranos

We're watching every episode of the Sopranos. You guys were roommates. Yeah. Yeah, yes drinking whiskey And we were just having fun time like talking shit There's a deeper story to this where I from my perspective we weren't as I said the last pod Chris and I weren't getting along because he was Different as it wasn't a big unbeknownst to me. Yeah, you didn't like no. No, I just didn't I didn't know Chris Cuz like he wasn't hanging out and he would just go out to shows with Chris with Shane and I wasn't I wasn't going Out with those guys at that time and I felt like there was just such a disconnect with somebody living in the apartment that I was like, he was more Shane's boy at that time.

And then when Shane started popping off and being out a lot, Chris and I finally got to know each other. And like a couple things happened and like we started becoming like close friends. And then the pandemic happened, then we came back and started getting fucked up. And then he kept saying like, yo, we should start a podcast. And I was coming off the heels of a podcast I hated doing for like three years.

And I was like, shut up. And I just laughed it off. Yeah, he was like, no. You just got out of a podcast relationship? Yeah. I don't wanna get my heart broken again. Right, yeah, I'm not trying to fuck anybody else over. Yeah.

And then finally he just kept saying, he's like, we'll do it tomorrow. I kept trying to get him drunk you remember that When you were like he got all the equipment. Oh, yeah. Yeah, he said he set a date. He's like alright tomorrow We're gonna do a podcast. I'm like alright, so the next day. I was like I'm trying to get me. Let's go to man I know it's a hard heavy lift Too drunk to say open up the refrigerator No every step of the way Tommy was taking it seals. He didn't want to do it. We recorded one

He was like don't put it out and then I remember like I edited and like put it together and he was like don't put it Out let's bank a bunch and then I just spazzed and just put it online and like went to the gym and ran As I was so pissed and then it did really well. Yeah. I mean, well, you know. Yeah, no, it was immediate. We had a good reaction. I just didn't... I'd never done a podcast outside of being a guest with friends.

I never had just two guys. Right. So, you don't know... You kind of black out while you're talking. You don't know what you said. Yep. And you don't know how it went. Yep. Because you don't know what other people perceive as funny so you're having a fucking blast

in a way but is it the best you could be? Never. And then you read comments going that's fucking hilarious you're like oh shit and then we just did it every week but it's all because of you. And then there was like kind of a nice thing where we like because we had only really been like hanging out every day for like a month. We were spending like every, he was getting me to go to the gym because I was sad.

So I was like going to the gym and then we'd get drunk at night. And so it was like a month of that. So we didn't really know each other that well. So the start of it was very fun because you're just like literally learning about a person but already like very much in sync with them. Right. You know what I mean?

I think it's tough to to start a podcast if you've known someone for 20 years. Yeah. Because then they're telling a story, and you're like, yeah. Yeah, we, yeah. I think the most important part, not that I'm trying to get people to start podcasts, but is you have to have someone that

has different differing opinions, a total different perspective on life. That's where the content comes from, is the conflict. Yeah. You guys have conflict. Shit, he says naturally, I'm baffled. And the shit I say, he's baffled. It's like easy to talk for an hour. An hour flies when you're just going, you're a fucking idiot on both sides.

We're just ping pong and you're a fucking idiot. So then all of a sudden you just go, oh shit, that was fun. But you're still a fucking idiot and then you do it again. And it's been two and a half years. So, oh shit, that was fun. Yeah. But you're still a fucking idiot, and then you do it again. And it's been two and a half years. So is that a lot? It's not going to slow down? No. I mean, it's doing a great job.

I mean, I think the relationship you have with each other, that's what this podcast is too, where it's like, we're dumb. We don't know. We're not actually giving you actually insight about sports. We're just talking about sports as sports fans., right and people like the relationships more than anything a hundred percent They don't feel like they're hanging out right exactly. It's also good that sports just gives us brand new material to work with that We have a Scotty Scheffler gets arrested on Friday. I was like, well, all right that Monday shows done. Yeah Yeah, I don't know. It's my best friend how he's doing. Yeah, talk about Scheffler. Yeah. Oh, yeah, what happened with that?

They wrote that in such a confusing way that article I was saying that when I woke up the first 30 seconds that I was awake I was like Scottie Scheffler killed someone. Yeah, that's what I thought fuck just happened No, he uh, he was like trying someone actually tragically did die. What and yeah, oh Before he got there. Yeah. Yeah, so he was No, they have to execute someone every time he shows up. That was a great one And then he he was trying to bypass traffic and a cop who probably didn't know who he was try to stop him and Was like he does look like every golfing right right he does

But apparently he was in like a Especially marked car that the tournament gives you it's like this white Lexus that all the players drive Okay, cop fucked up. Yeah, really it comes down to I think the cop didn't realize that he was a play like playing in the tournament And so someone died though. It's not like you get VIP access to it Well, he wasn't running through the crime scene was trying was trying to go around. To get into the tournament. Yeah. They were saying there's an investigation still going on. He was like, yeah, I'm still playing the tournament.

The cop grabbed the window and he's like, what are you doing? And they drug him for like 300 yards. That's the way they wrote it. It was that he was drugged to the ground, which I don't believe that. There's no way he gets out of jail that quickly. The charges were also already dropped right there They might be dropped I'm today

I'm thinking that they're probably gonna be dropped because it sounds from the report like the the cop ran after the car Probably grabbed onto it and then fell down and then he got up. He was like, oh my wrist has a Scratch on it did yes pants by the way the real story his pants the officers pants Were damaged beyond repair. So that was included in the police report. Beyond repair? To give you an idea of how gentle it went. The officers pants valued at $89 were damaged beyond repair. Beyond repair.

In this incident. That's officially written in there. They had to throw in something to make it like, why did you arrest Scotty Sheffer? It was like, well, my pants, dude. My bird dogs were damaged. Who's going to fucking take this? Wait, did they arrest him later or did he No right away get up and go arrest him on site. They arrested him He got out and shot like a fucking 66. Yeah. Yeah, he got out of prison and shot like a five-under

Yeah, six under they put him in a five under. Yeah, it's pretty they put him in the orange jumpsuit And they took his mugshot, which is just a fucking hilarious mugshot Very funny cuz Scotty Scheffler is the most boring person on planet earth Yeah, he is in a mugshot like fucking Frank Sinatra back So they let him out he goes back to the golf course I was hoping he was gonna wear the orange jumpsuit on the course that would have been awesome Did you see that kid who had the the screen print t-shirt? Yeah Of him His headshot At the fucking first round I just went to a screen printing t-shirt company Oh we had

Not the headshot Damn We had the shirts in the store, instantly Oh did ya? Oh yeah Jesus Christ But showing the initiative to like drive to the store Yeah

Get one printed up And have one It's funny to show off No that guy That guy was panicking the whole time too He's just like fuck I gotta gotta get that fucking kill another person If he made one of those like this idiot should have made a hundred of them Yeah, oh my god Scotty Scheffler getting arrested probably bought ms. Peach's Dave's dog like a hundred thousand dollar bed

Yeah, that happened all in one morning Yeah, I remember when OJ got arrested we had free the juice t-shirts down by the veteran stadium for birds games like every Free the juice Yeah dude, that was like the same day. It was like a Sunday or something. Yeah, they had just You gotta free them T-shirts

Probably didn't age perfectly Yeah, that's alright. He went to fucking A quid 80 years old. That's what's going to happen when you're a billionaire. They're going to get the photo of you saying, free the juice cheese. Look at this guy.

Wait. So I actually had a question about that. So you lived with Shane when everything happened with SNL? Yeah. Were you just standing over him being like, man, that sucks? I don't know how you would even. No, there was a lot of, I'm not going to speak for him, but like he, the way he handled it, Shane has a very like, he's, he's just like, yeah, it sucks. But like,

yeah, no, he's very like internal. He's a fuck. He was the man about it. But like after it came out, he's obviously like, yeah, it was hell. Yeah. He's every day he's getting bombarded So I think the safe space for home was like just chill don't fucking bring up. Don't be best friends It's yeah hang out. Yeah, you don't want to smart because he's getting fucking shelled everywhere else online Just I can't imagine it feels like yeah when that happens when we had it but not to that what yeah He was just on the couch chilling. Yeah video games, but not to that level. But yeah. It just was funny. He was just on the couch. Chilling.

Yeah. Video games. I think that's why people love Shane. Yeah, I think that's why they love him. His schedule was the same, except every once in a while he'd get up and take a phone call and it was like some massively powerful person. Then he'd come back on the couch un-pawsed mad. That's perfect.

Yeah, that is why he's so lovable. that's why everyone loved the way I get that question on time like is Shane really liked out Oh, dude, it's yeah one billion percent. He's just one of the bros like it couldn't be more one of the bros It's awesome. I mean even it Brady's roast when everyone's in the talks and he's in a sweatshirt Camera pan we're like what the fuck he walked up like Yeah Camera pan we're like what the fuck he walked up like He walked up like Steinway's like I gotta get a jacket for this fucking black tie event He was like doing that show with like John Stewart. Oh, yeah, I forget what it's called And he came back in like 15 minutes. He goes I can't do it

He walked into like the gap and he goes no turns around come home No, I've had that happen so many times where I walk in somewhere like yeah I'm gonna get something nice. Yeah. Put it on. No that's not me. Can't do that. Meanwhile I'm trying on women's shoes. Yeah you dress nice Tommy. I live in Neenum. Thanks pal. Yeah what's that about? I like to care about how I dress and how I smell. Yeah. It's always been my MO. You like you you actually wear women's shoes? No. I'm just saying I do love the shop. It's very Italian. Even if I didn't find something for myself, I jump into the women's section. Yeah, the best-

It's a very, I strung that along way too far, the joke itself. I apologize, cut that. The best part about very Italian men is that they're like I'm alpha masculine but they're just like right on the line of like yeah dressing high heels and like women's fashion like yeah I like fashion yeah but dude I'm not I'm mostly Irish I'm like a whopping sheep's clothing yeah that's actually you guys actually have it's a very complicated name to look up because I'm sure you get get this a lot but when I was just googling you guys to try to see what you guys were all about I typed in O'Connor Pope and the first like three pages was just Sinead O'Connor on it. Oh yeah.

That's it yeah. Yeah. My real name is Tom Papa I had to change it because of Tom Papa. Who's Tom Papa? Comic. He's like a big name comic. Yeah. Okay. He's like Seinfeld. That kind of sucks. He cut your name? Yeah, but Tommy Pope's a strong name.

Tommy Pope rules. It is. Yeah. Were your parents mad when you had to change it? No. My dad gave me shit. My mom still doesn't even know what I do, really. She doesn't even know you changed your name?

The only thing she's ever complimented me on was getting on fucking law and order Ball the shit. I've done. What'd you play in law and order? You're the rapist or you stop a right? Yeah, right which one you stopped the right my Indian wife from getting raped My goddamn hero That's my dream actually is to play the the guy in law and order that that finds a body at the start Yeah, so yeah five seconds. Yes behind a dumpster. What the hell, you're going for a jog or something? What's this? And then- That's what I was, I was in the very,

I was in the intro only. That's it? Yeah, I said, yeah. But I will say that episode- That was a wild, cold open, someone's trying to rape your wife. That's, dude, they run out of ideas. I don't know if you've ever seen Law and Order,

it's pretty much all- And then you're just never read it again? Yeah. But that episode gets watched a lot. Not because of me, but it's like the actual episode itself is like pretty good apparently. So you get a nice residual? I mean the fact that I get residuals quarterly is hilarious. Yeah, what is the check?

Like ten years ago. What's the check? I get like ten grand every three weeks. Oh. No. Are you motherfuckin'? No, it's like grand every three weeks. Oh. No. Are you motherfuckin' No, it's like a few hundred bucks. Yeah.

Do they pay more if you're a rapist or if you're a guy that stops you? Great question. I'm gonna call my agent. There should definitely be like hazard pay if you get the rapist position. Yeah, they pay you double? Yeah, that's gonna be on your resume forever. So, when you recognize that you're a fucking pig. Yeah, exactly.

Yeah. Because all these dumb fucking drunk housewives really don't, they don't understand it's a fake show. Yeah. I fucking recognize you. You raped somebody. I can't believe they hired that rapist to be in a TV show on Netflix. It does happen. I still kind of hate Joaquin Phoenix from The Gladiator. Really?

Yeah. When he hit Russell Crowe? Yeah. I hated his character when I was like, again, I was like nine years old. And I hated him so much. Even when he's in movies now, I'm like, I I was like nine years old and I hated him so much. It's probably even when he's pilot Even when he's in movies now, I'm like, I don't like this guy Yeah, no, that's true when you hurt like a villain guy. He doesn't have a redeeming character arc, right in any movie. Uh signs Kind of I never saw

Yeah, we played Johnny Cash. Yeah, he was great in that he's I mean, I never saw a cred Yeah, I fucking love that dude. He's an awesome actor But yeah that that is funny because it does stick in your head if you see someone like a bad guy in one movie I think that guy yeah Well, you got a type you got to be typecast when you have that villain look yeah, it's such a fucking look Yeah, he does can't be an everyday guy getting like making a woman swoon How was he was in her. Yeah, true.

He's fucking a robot. Yeah, I fell for that guy. That really tugged on the heartstrings. So how, in terms of acting, how was it acting on tires? Were there ever moments where you're like, fuck, I'm not like up to everyone else's standard here? Yeah, the whole time. Okay. Yeah, the entire time. You were just like just like how many did you guys do a lot of takes now?

So I love that I feel like it wouldn't be a big take show Well the show is about chain so like and also his genius is just like improving so like right Once you just watch him go off kind of right there's other characters They're just like just line items to get the story pushing. There's not really much room for... And there was just the thing where those episodes were shot on a pretty insanely tight schedule. Oh really? Yeah, yeah.

So they were moving. Yeah, McKeever's genius is trying to keep everything fucking... You have deadlines for where are we at at this time? How much do we get shot? You have a shot schedule every morning going this shots getting done by you know 11 a.m. We got it after lunch. We got to get this next shot down by 12 34 you know our guy Francis is in it. Oh yes. Yeah, we're stobbies. He's fantastic Yeah, yeah, it's great dramatic actor. Yeah, yeah, are there any like legendary stand-up comedians really really talented skit stand-up comedians that just can't act is it like Oh, yeah, totally different skill set all the time 1 million percent

Yeah, yeah, I don't I don't know I'm gonna say name, but yes, they're objectively it doesn't always translate. Yeah. Yeah It does feel weird that I'll tell you off air. Yeah, I've seen do stuff and it's like wolf But I do feel it goes in the opposite direction more like it like I feel like Comedians become serious like really good serious actors more than a serious actor becomes agreed. Yes. Yes outside of like Jeff Daniels One million. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. Yeah, we Jeff Daniels was a who's serious. We're watching it right now We just watching it. What he's in he's in a bunch of like Yeah, yeah, no, I know. Yeah. Yeah, he's also in like dumb and dumb. Oh, yeah, that's true. Yeah. Yeah, you're right Yeah, what's it? What's it called? Godless? Godless? Yeah. Yeah, you know me godless. No, dude. He's so fucking good

He's a great actor. Yeah, that's yeah, it's there's a ton. It's more like exactly how he put it. There's yeah. Yeah You can take him all stage. You're like you can't act unless it's them a lot of those guys Yes, yeah, yes or some version of themselves that it were that's a great that is a dream That would also be so embarrassing though if you sucked at playing yourself. Yeah The red light comes on you just yeah comes on you just yeah you're like I don't know I'm capable of that yeah I was like do what you do you're like I what do I do yeah that is like I mean we get what do you think I am a parcel yeah yeah yeah yeah there's a sect of line give me some stuff of mine I can watch there's a sect of our fans that think that like we're like everyone in this like fun Factory is like acting

It's like do you know how hard that would be? Yeah, we have the weirdest people. Yeah. Yeah, like they're all themselves Yeah, you'd be making yeah, you'd be making blockbuster movies Best movies of all time. They also just don't know how much content It is required to get the good stuff. Right. Yo, we're taping all the time. Dude, yeah, we've been here four fucking hours. Yeah. You're going to see 45 minutes of stuff.

It's like, do that for eight hours a day? Yeah. Something funny will happen. We're going to see the full four hours. Oh, shit. You better brace yourself. Shit. Yeah.

What the basketball player? For that fucking trivia.. Yeah. You were your anger came out. So what? So you guys, part of your relationship and the why the podcast works, you guys bicker all the time. You told me a story about the chicken nuggets. What's the other biggest fight you guys have been in? Cause I just love the fact that you guys bicker. And then I think the best part about what you guys have going is that you bicker and you know that you're not holding it like to the next day. Yeah. That's it's not fun if it was anger that stayed. Yeah. Like I don't want to watch this. It's very funny when it's like a hundred like zero to a hundred anger and then right

back to zero. Well the funny thing is that if you do bring it up again we get mad again. So what? Chicken finger thing came up again. I like. Yeah. We were both upset. What's another one that like it just like piss you guys off. dude I think it's just like you know it's a it's a husband-wife relationship especially when you're living together who's a husband you're done I mean I have my idea of who the husband is you guys want he would be your husband cuz I'm caretaker. Okay. I know what you're gonna say. No, no, that wasn't what I was gonna say.

Okay, what are you gonna say? That is the best way to start a pot. I was gonna say Chris is the husband because he fucks you in the ass all the time. Oh. Yeah. I wish there was a payoff for the hell we go through. I wish you bopped. What do you mean? This is the payoff.

I wish you bopped around. I played sports all day. I meant sexually. Oh. Bopping around my prostate is it there is it? Never coming on your belly thinking of me Have you guys ever kissed no no we can try it now no I know Every year on a we get all of our guests to kiss that every year on your birthday you guys

Yes, he was born on January 30th, that was January 31st, same year. It's the passing of the torch. Birthday kiss. Oh, I like that. Now why did that start? Have you ever thought about kissing your co-host? What? Straight lips?

It's honestly kind of weird if you haven't thought about kissing each other. No, I'm repulsed. What do you mean thought about it? This is like when people ask you to think about suicide, it's like, well yeah. Of course. Yeah. Thought about it. That idiot yeah. Of course. Yeah. I've thought about it. What kind of idiot never thought about it?

Yeah, yeah. I've, yeah. My brother asked me that in sixth grade. There's a lot of things I fantasize. He was in eighth grade. He asked me, he's like, what do you mean you don't think about suicide? I was like, why? I was like, how?

Why would you think about suicide? Then you get older, you're like, I've thought about 20 different ways I'd kill myself. Yeah, you're not making a plan. No. No, but you also should be doing it in a straight. It's like standing on top of a high building and being like, what if I jumped? Yeah, 100%.

Who doesn't have that feeling? It's the ultimate would you rather. Would you rather? And I kinda wanna do it that way. Would you rather continue on with this charade, or would you? End it tomorrow. The ultimate nap.

Finally get rest. Yeah, like, or the, you know, you see a cop in line, like in a donut shop, you're like, oh yeah, yeah, 100%. Yeah. Be sick. The imp of the perverse. To be honest, to go back to that question, it was a perfect storm at that moment. I mean, we still bicker about everything,

but the perfect storm of living together. Right. Then you're getting into lifestyle differences. Then you're getting into, there's so many elements of pressure, like work or fucking standup. And then you just, all that shit just builds. It's a pressure cooker and eventually

something's gonna pop off, whether it's about a fucking chicken finger, it's really not. It's about frustrations around life. Right, yeah. And if you're only around one dude the whole fucking time, that person's gonna get it. It's why you and your girlfriend always fight about,

it'll be fucking chardonnay, but it's not about chardonnay. It's about your breath while you were fucking three years ago. It could be anything, it could be absolutely anything. and I think a healthy relationship requires a bunch of that shit Yeah, so has the podcast gotten better since you guys moved out from each other No, I think it's pretty much the same same. Yeah, we see you guys miss it the like living together cuz like that is obviously like having that Moment where you're like, oh man, I think living with my guys. There's the being held accountable, because a lot of times, you know what I mean, you think you're changing your life, but nothing's really changed.

Yeah. And so on the pod you're like, I'm doing this now. And when you're living together, the other person can go, no you aren't. Yeah. 100% not doing that. Yeah. I see it every day. Yeah, yeah.

I've been living apart. I've been at the gym every day, 9 a.m. and I'm cleaning now. Yeah. That's a good point. Yeah. You're like, no, I see. No, but the missing thing is like we see enough of each other.

If it was just a podcast and then I didn't see him, it's like we are best friends. So it's like we go, we see each other almost every day anyway. Yeah. So it's nice having the break. It's nice having a... There's also a weird thing, I don't know if you guys run into this, where it's like, when you're not talking on microphones now,

you're like, don't talk to me. Yeah, no, yeah, we don't. We save it for... We save it for the show. Don't tell me a hilarious thing that happened. Yeah, yeah. Oh, always. We can't monetize it.

The thing is, we stream so much now, we're like, we're watching the games and we're usually on some sort of a live stream. So when that happens, you can't like, you can't save anything that you want to say at the time. Of course. You have to like, yeah. I mean yeah, the difference between how intimate and cool this show is right now, than having

a panel of eight dudes talking about what they did last week. I'd rather get all this shit off my chest about how we bicker. Yeah. You know what I mean? Having something intimate and like tell a story. Right. As opposed to live. Live stream's tough. That's like a, that's a, that's hard. Yeah. Live streams are tough. That is hard. And we do that all Sunday too for like football games and stuff. Crazy. Yeah. Yeah. So what we do is typically if it's within like 10 minutes of the show and we're talking, we're talking about the games, if we start to hit something that we get excited about, we're like, okay, let's just stop.

Shut up, shut up, shut up. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Save it. Yeah, save all this. Do you guys get also, the weird one that we get is like, whenever you're anywhere, they're like, hey, where's PFT? Like I was in France on vacation with my wife, and a guy was like, hey, where's PFT?

Yeah. Like what, I'm in fucking France on vacation. Yeah. Like people in their head are like they're just always. You didn't get him a room? Yeah. What the fuck? Yeah.

Then you stop thinking a teardrop. Yeah you're like where is he? He's like FaceTime like where is he? He's home alone, he snaps up like Catherine O'Hara. Oh my god. I get that in bars sometimes if it's like Midnight or later, they'll be like where's big cows like he's probably with his children Yeah, but I've been asleep since yeah o'clock. Yeah, I gotta get up at six in the morning

Well, yeah, it's also funny that like when you when you do talk it winds up just being about stuff You can't say yeah on it. So then it's just this dark. Yeah. Yeah three minutes of the n-word Yeah, on it. So then it's just this dark. Yeah. Yeah three minutes of the n-word Just the party one I kicked a toaster by accident fucking furious. Yeah, but what are you doing you stop a topaz? It's awesome for you guys the it's cool to see like the success and like I yeah I mean doing a podcast with one of your best friends is like it's fun. It's fucking dream job. We get to do this every day Yeah, it's a joke Yeah, but it is a talent. I will say like going through it. It's a lot of work I get I still have imposter syndrome all the time. Yeah, I'm like am I am I interesting or good?

You should have yeah, right, right. I'm like, I'm not interesting. I just got lucky. Yeah Yeah, like I got lucky time and place like everything fell together Yeah, because I'm like I'll listen myself back like you're fucking moron yeah yeah of course but it is corny as hell when people like reach out to you saying like you literally make my life better yeah oh the best those are the best that's pretty cool you didn't kill yourself yeah nice yeah yeah that went up on the wall yeah you wanted to hear what we had to say about the Bengals versus the Texans? Cool. Yeah. That's awesome. We kept you for another day on this earth. You still wind up just going like, man, I should probably start taking this more seriously.

I didn't realize I was saving lives out there. Do you guys prep for your shows? No, never. You just sit down? Yeah. There's never even a conversation about it. Really? You just sit down, press record.

Hit record. Let's go. And usually Chris going, he hits record on the box and goes, all right. And then we start talking. I don't know. I feel like anytime you prep, it winds up coming out. Inauthentic. Yeah. Yeah. Feeling prepped. Yeah. Or you wind up getting mad because like you had, and I prepped the thing and then you say it and the conversation doesn't set you up the way you want it to be set up. Even if you internally prep, it's like, I always forget the story that happened.

Like on the road or something, like that guy falling asleep on the toilet in Cleveland. Oh, yeah. And I was like, oh, oh! At the very end of the podcast. Even when you have a chunk to burn, this will be 10 minutes. It's not funny as fuck.

You think it would just start like that. It's like, no, you just start with normal. And it's better when it comes up the ooh, ooh, ooh moment. Yeah, but I always forget. And then you just go, ah, fuck. And then you just never say it. Yeah. Yeah. All right. I had one last question, Roeback question, R-H-O-B-A-C-K.com promo code take 20% off your first purchase. Cues, ifs, polos, hoodies, joggers, shorts, Roeback.com. All right, so this has been awesome. Everyone go check out Stuff Island. They're on the road. I don't know when we're going to air this, but you can go check out their dates.

I think you guys are doing an East Coast swing soon. Yeah. Yeah. The next week. New York. Connecticut. From the 29th through the 6th. Yeah.

Albany. Boston. Providence. Portland, Maine. Portland. Nice. And then we're going west. And then wash tires. Everyone's going to wash Portland. Yeah, we're going west and then watch tires. Everyone's gonna watch tires Yes So I guess that's my last question like I I feel like this show is gonna be a monster monster hit

Do you have you guys had that like date circled like oh shit when this date happens? Now things might be a little different It's funny somebody asked Chris that on the on this way ask both of us when we do the dual mic on our set. So we do our shows, there's stand up for both of us and then we come out on dual mics. And then we just, at the end, we're like, you got any questions for us? And one kid asked that, he was like,

do you foresee like a dramatic life change? Are you excited for the 23rd? It's like, I don't know, I'll speak for myself. It's like, ah, it's another thing. It's another another thing it's another thing it's but it might I'm not ready yeah the thought process yet it's like you know read into the turf yeah I'm trying not to read into the turf situation right you're thinking about hopefully yeah yeah prepare yourself for suicide just yeah but it is crazy to think about that it could be like that could be a moment where you look back 10 years from now, you're like, for sure. That was the change right there.

I think you wind up also just like being concerned about other things. You're like stand up and is the podcast good? And you're like, it would suck if this thing popped off and then we sucked at the other stuff. Yeah. I want to be good at. You know, and if we finally get some attention and then everyone's like, man, their stand-up sucks. Yeah. This guy's trampoline jump wasn't even that high. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That is the worst feeling, being like,

if more people find out, those might be the people that are gonna hate me. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Maybe everybody that was... I'm waiting for that, too. To like, the show to totally take off and everyone be like, but that one guy yeah, yeah, yeah. Maybe everybody was. I'm waiting for that too. Yeah. To like the show to totally take off and everyone be like, but that one guy, I fucking hate him.

Oh no. I don't think it about like, that is, yeah. All right, that won't happen. You never know. No, that won't happen. It'll be, it'll be. You'll get killed off, yeah. It'll be stopped.

You'll still have to hang out with your best friend. First episode of season two is just slip and fall. Yeah. Shane runs you over with a car. Oh, man. Filiatardo. Alright, well thanks, boys. We appreciate you stopping by. This is great.

Thanks for having us. You guys are going to do some cooking with Donnie tomorrow. Check out What's for Lunch. You guys have a great cooking show as well. Yeah, look at Dish. Check out the Patreon. Go to patreon.com slash stuff violence. Oh, I should have said the page. Yeah. Yeah, how much we making off the page? Don't worry about good We are I doing good. How much we can be doing a lot of every cent helps We're doing I can't tell you that is it public yeah, it is the number

No, that's okay. Yeah, okay. We work our say it. We work our dicks off. We're doing good. Everyone subscribe to the Patreon. It's $5 for four extra hours of our podcast. Love that. $10 for four extra hours of podcast, plus a shitload of cooking every month. Love that. We're up to like 35 episodes of our cooking show. It's like an hour and a half between a half hour to an hour and a half of us showing you,

me showing you how to cook. Are you a trained chef? I'm having a good time. Are you a trained chef? Trained cook? Huh? Are you like a trained cook or is it just like learning how to do all this? No, I learned, I'm self-trained. Yeah. We can tell.

I can cook. I think that is kind of the beauty of the show. Yeah. Is that it's plausible recipes. Yeah. We're just showing it's like elevated recipes that anybody can do. It's things you would never think you could possibly do. And I show you process, how to do it all,

the simplistic process. What's your best dish if we said we want one, I want to be like, hey Tommy, if you give me a dish and it's the best I've ever had, I'll give you a million bucks. I, oh. I'm not gonna lie. We didn't have an idea and I was like you should make general

So's chicken. Oh, it was house chicken and Tommy made it. It was the best fucking general chose chicken Oh, yeah, it was really good. It was fucking um, I don't know if it's probably your favorite, but holy I will say like in terms of dishes where ease of Making it for anybody and and the and the result being mind blowing, it's like a short rib ragu or lamb shank ragu with risotto. Okay. Where, like, if you looked at that dish, you'd be like, all right, I can't do this, dude.

I don't even cook. It's like, I'll show you exactly how to do that. It's a panty dropper. It's like a great date night cook that is just One pot after you do all the prep let it do its own thing and then fucking see what happens seems fancy short rib Just seems fancy when you say yeah, I won't know you're just searing off meat cooking it with a mere pawn then putting it wine Beef broth some herbs putting the pot into the oven, letting it cook for four hours. I want this.

I'm going to check it out. Dude, it's fucking incredible. I'll cook for you. The General Sousa. It will? That amazes me. It's a power thing. I didn't know that you could pick the first chicken.

I didn't think so either. I thought you'd just go into a Chinese restaurant. Only they have the machine. I know, yeah. It's a proper wok too. I got a wok on Amazon for like 30 bucks. It was fucking incredible. It fucked me up, to be honest the general

Because I kind of thought the same thing when we made it either be exactly Blah regular whatever gelatin diarrhea worse it was pure ingredients that we replaced the dog shit Yeah, and filler that these Chinese locations. I do like MSG though MSG's. I'm telling you can buy that Yeah, yeah, you can buy a whole and own. Yeah. You can buy a whole. And that is easy to make. Yeah, that was easy. Yeah, it was crazy easy to make. It's literally just rice and you throw some chicken in flour basically. Alright, so check out the Patreon. Thank you boys for stopping by.

Thank you. Appreciate it. Yeah, good luck with tires. Thank you. Tommy, this is probably the start of an incredible career and Chris, everyone's going to hate your character. I shouldn't have put that into the universe. Like an incredible career and Chris everyone's gonna hate your character. I Shouldn't have put that into the universe

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nine from your cell phone. Have you been injured mentally by a lottery ball machine? Cole Morgan and Morgan, they will help you. Max, by the way, is off off the deep end about this lot of ball. Oh, he came into the room after the show was over and it was just Me and him he sat down on the couch. He started like rubbing his legs talking about how he's definitely gonna get the lottery ball He looked over he went over to the machine made sure the number 20 was still in there And it's just in there. It's so deep inside his head, and that's why I told max I'm definitely gonna get it performed because I don't give a fuck. It's a lottery machine. It's easy. The balls are in there. It's going

to happen. Max is, he's a mental puddle right now. Yeah. And guess what? We're probably going to get 20 right now because he had to get on a flight to the shore to kiss some boys. He's going to be kissing so many boys this weekend. You know it. Hank, you want to start us off? Fire Fest? Yeah. I'm going to, I'm going to be a big man here. Whoa. I, I, I could lock wood. I could not talk about it. I could run away. He slept in. Uh, I got banged. Oh, Hey, Hank. Did you turn around and look back at it as hard as I've ever been. Uh huh. I was a dildo by one of my own Nick Vasoli. He works here. Oh Eva. Oh yeah. I

forgot about this clip. This is my. We put this clip. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No. No. No. No. No. We lost if they don't have the clip. All right. You know what? Fuck it. That's what I'm saying. Other people would run away. Big cat and PFT. They're like pull the fucking big dick card and cut everything and be like, you know, we're not putting this out there. We've never done that. Wait, wait, wait, wait. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Henry Lockwood, Dan, you have literally George Brett an entire career. George, when I was naked, they basically made it look like I was comparing me being naked. Well, you're comparing me being naked. Well, you're about to ask me when you've ever done it. No, no, no, no, no, no. That was

also seven years ago. And it was also I was literally naked. You want to put that out? Fuck. No, I'm just saying. I'm just saying. I'm just saying you have made a living, a living, a great living drives an Audi off of taking bad pictures, bad angles, bad everything of me. No. Yes. You just have bad. Yeah. Okay. And I don't you put them out. All right. Fine. But I don't do it intentionally. I can't believe he just tried to say me being naked by accidentally peeping Tom, Tom and ourselves with the the with the GoPro is the same as you sucking Nikki smokes dick so we're in the gambling cave. We're talking. I'm eating my lunch and me Nikki smokes are arguing He comes over to show me a clip and for solely camera guy had the camera angle is much more than a camera guy

Yeah, he's not for long. He was angled perfectly where you couldn't see that I was eating the food. You could just see my mouth moving. And Nicky Smokes was standing up over me, so my mouth and head was at his abdomen section. Not abdomen, a little bit lower. Whatever. And it's a horrible looking video.

And then the second, that's why I got banged, because it's like, solely one of my guys, boss and guy. Well, you didn't solely one of my guys bossing I get banged you just got no he knew what he was doing He knew he was doing the camera stop rolling he goes Oh, that's gonna be a bad look for you And I was like what what the hell man if you would literally just move the camera two inches right you would have you know? Seen the accurate portrayal of what was going on But I'm not gonna hide. I'm just gonna wait, but he couldn't have done that because you can't put You can't put you sucking his dick. I was not gonna hide I'm just gonna wait but he couldn't have done that because you can't put you can't put you sucking his dick I was doing Hank fact or fiction the video did numbers it hasn't come out it's that

it's definitely doing numbers you know are you a company guy that's head of content I'm talking about it right now a non company guy a fraud would run away from it I'm just gonna embrace the numbers I'm just gonna you know it is what it is but it just hurt it just gonna embrace the numbers I'm just gonna you know it is what it is, but it just hurt It just hurts personally that one of my own guys did this to me because it was it was truly a bang job like the likes Of which I've never seen before I've never done something as bad to you guys as I got done in this scenario It does actor fiction. It does put new meaning to head of content I'm pretty sure I can find it on the times you've done that not intentionally not where I was like

I'm gonna I'm gonna purposely set this video up to make you look as bad as humanly possible. You just happen to look bad. Yeah, I don't think that's true. It's great, great content. It might be my favorite video ever. It's crazy. Where you wipe your mouth at one point, you go back in for more.

It's so, so good. It's so, so good. It's a shocking, Shockingly crazy video and the worst part is like the solely literally could have taken one step to his right And it would have been a completely different video and he knew that and that's that's what hurts It's not the fire fest isn't that there's a video of me looking like I'm sucking Nicky smokes dick It's that I got I got done dirty by someone that was formerly one of my guys Well, it sounds like it was good content. Yeah, and that's again-

But couldn't you make the argument that Facili was actually just doing his job to the most Viva? No. Yeah, he was. No, we tried- This is a funny clip that will, our job is to create moments that people want to watch and be like, oh my God, Hank just sucked Nicky Smoke's dick? Yeah, he did.

Wait a second, Big Cat. I remember there was a time in stool streams when we were we were playing ping-pong Yeah And I went to the corner to wipe off my glasses and I was facing the corner and as I was wiping my glasses off I think Hank put the camera on me from behind Made it look like I was jacking off and then turned it into a gif interesting. Those are factor fiction Those are fixed camera Factor fix those factor fiction those are fixed camera angles you as a participant knew were the kid like we didn't I didn't ain't no Fuck I was

Helping the same thing no no no no no it wasn't his job wasn't a handheld camera It wasn't like I you weren't wasn't angled specifically nothing that was handheld in that video either way if you if you would like to See what it would it looks like for Hank to give head, yeah, watch Viva. Well, no, we put it in here, but yeah, Hank gives, that's actually decent head. I think it was pretty good. We should get Joey and Pat on to rate the head. Decent head.

Wiping the mouth at the end. Yeah. And he just keeps going. That was courteous of you. You don't want to have his cum all over your chin. You do spill a lot on your own chin. Oh But yeah, I'm not I'm a it's a solid brace the content I'm not gonna run from it and I'm just not gonna go online for the week

It's it's what like and fire for solely 20 30 seconds of hate given a blowjob. Yeah pips season Yeah, actually if you say the only critique I have is I would think Nikki smokes would last longer. Yeah. Well, thanks that good Yeah, you did actually get a little the balls there, too, right? It's really good Hank. It's a good break. It's a great video. It's a great video stuff Okay, PFT. That's a good fire fest. I'm not great. I've had a pretty clean week. I run from all your shit Oh, what do you mean? I run for my show? I don't know you run towards everyone with your mouth open Yeah, Hank's a first responder when it comes to giving blowjobs. Here's the sound of a horny guy and he runs towards the fire Oh, you got a hard dick. I got you

Probably you probably I mean it's probably good protein to help dunk. That's a good point some extra protein Whatever takes good point. If you protein. Whatever it takes. Good point. If you got your dick sucked more often, then maybe you'd be chiller. You wouldn't be so angry. He's a giver, not a taker. Also documentary episode two is coming out. I touched the rim. Did you suck anyone's dick? No. Then I'm not watching. That'll be out today as well. Do you think I can dunk by the time October comes around? It's just like it is different meaning to dunk Yeah, yeah I think I got anymore empty the clip. No, that's it. Oh, do we did you imagine that his penis was a lighthouse?

Nope, can someone make eating tacos? All right, can you make try eat my fucking lunch? I think that's I was defending Rico Bosco eating tacos and it's turning Hank. That's not that's not what eating tacos Yeah, gobbler me memes. I don't think wait is Nicky smokes Latina No, I don't think so. I don't think so either. So it wouldn't be tacos. Well, you Linguini, it was taco Tuesday. Ah him plot taco is yeah the opposite. Yeah Memes, can you you know the old gIF of Blake Bortles turning into a goat? Can you just make that but it's Nancy Reagan turning into Hank?

Yeah, like that. That's good, that's good. But maybe Photoshop his head onto Heather Brooke. That would be good too. Oh shit. Ah, Hank, I love it. Yeah, but we don't even have to do another Fire Fest. Yeah. That was great, Hank.

Yeah, I probably should have said it on the show, but I'm not. No, you didn't. You're not running from it. You're not running from it. You're not running from it. It's hard to run when you're on your knees. I wasn't on my knees. I was sitting.

Maybe we'll get Bill Clinton on the show finally. Yeah. You'd love that would I yeah? Yeah, I'm a big big Bill Clinton guy all right, so PFT widget. What is your fire fest my fire fest? It's just in general for for humanity something to be on the lookout for There's a recent trend that's starting to go viral And I think it's gonna happen more and more as the summer progresses Okay, it started last night at the rocket city trash pandas game. Okay, rocket city trash pandas minor league baseball team I believe they're Madison, Alabama wore their hat actually the other day ironically They had crowd shots of guys

Catching cicadas and eating them. Oh, yeah in the stands. Oh, yeah cicadas and we're gonna see more and more I predict this summer of just cicada catches people just grabbing a cicada and eating them. Oh yeah. In the stand. Oh yeah. Cicadas. And we're going to see more and more. I predict this summer of just cicada catches people just grabbing a cicada and eating it on camera. What's one of those years, right? They, yeah. What did they want to eat the bugs? This is the first step in eating the bugs and show is normalizing it. Yeah, no, we will not eat the bugs. Hey, every year, maybe we'll every 13 years, 17, we will not eat the bugs. Hank will eat anything. Hank, they're going to try to get us to eat the bugs. Now. And they're going to say, oh, we don't have any more steak anymore, but we have the bugs.

And we're all betas. I'm opposed to eating the bugs, but I will drink the bugs because there's a Chicago Malort Cicada shot. Yeah. And I'm a big fan of Malort. Had for the first time a couple years ago. Drank it several times last summer. I'm going to have to drink the bugs in the Chicago Malort had for the first time a couple years ago drank it several times last summer I'm going to have to drink the bugs in the Chicago Malort shot. I don't know if I'm gonna even drink the bugs I will drink. I don't want the government to have that over me. I won't eat them

Swallow them like pills Also, the spiders have come back to my my what? Remember Oh on your on your balcony. Oh, they're holding your hostage, yeah revenge. Yeah, I'm actually scared Well, they heard heard about you and they're like well Hank I shoot a lot of white stuff out of my abdomen. Maybe Hank will take care of me Yeah, if the if the average person swallows eight spiders, how many think Hank does Yeah, fucking insane. Do spiders have eight dicks? I don't know but Hank can find out Yeah, let us know Sound off in the comments Hank.

Alright my fire vs. I actually texted you guys this so my daughter's birthday was Tuesday went to Chuck E Cheese. Was in the zone just being a dad with my daughter just having a great time just trying she speed run the whole Chuck E Cheese I think we tried every single little ride toy everything in like maybe 15 minutes just go ripping through it all and then all of a sudden I have a woman who's like hey are you big cat I was like oh shit like this weird Chuck E Cheese I was like yeah and then she pulled her eight-year-old son she's like yeah my son recognized you and I was like oh and then the kid was like, yeah, my dad watches all your guys' stuff. So I saw you and I knew who you were.

And then I was stuck in that moment. You know, when we see Stooley's out, it's awesome. They're the best fans in the world. But usually, you know, it's like, oh, hey. And then maybe a couple quick convo, who you on tonight, whatever. I immediately went into like, I was like, yeah, so like,

what do you think about Caleb Williams to an eight year old? Yeah. And he was just like, yeah, I'm a Bears fan. And then I took a picture with him. Yeah, you can't say 90% of the stuff. And then you think to yourself, is this kid listening to my podcast? Yeah, so the whole thing was just had me rattled,

but we are, that's one eight year old that we'll grow up to be, so shout out Ryland. Ryland, big shout out. Yeah, hopefully his dad's watching right now. Love it. Took a picture with him. Yeah. That's weird.

Yeah, eight year old. Oh, you know, I just thought of, you remember the thing that we used to say that we don't say anymore? People are going to start saying that to Hank. Someone tried to say that to me when I was with my kids at a street festival on Saturday. That's a shame. Uh, whispered in my ear, which I appreciate the whisper. Yeah, the whisper. But it also was like, what? But you know what I'm saying? Yeah. This one over here is Hank sucks. It's going to come back. Yeah. So wait, don't they're talking to an eight year old right now and then no, we're not. No, I already had a conversation

with Rylan conversation. I was back. I have some respect for the cat. When someone comes up to you and says, suck my dick, are you going to be like, sure? No. So we don't say it anymore. Right. But some people might, it's going to be tough to know who's in AWL and who just saw you in this video because maybe it's just like a gay person that saw your work. Right.

And they just really want you to. I might just forget what t-shirts made. I don't. My t-shirt about not sucking dick has a lot of people asking questions that are already answered by my t-shirt And we don't say that anymore, but do we do that anymore? Yes, I Mean do whatever you want. Let your freak flag fly. Oh, I'm saying I'm not here to judge I don't personally I just tacos in the gambling cave, but you know, whatever floats your boat

Yeah, should we actually talk to HR? Hank was sucking someone off in the gambling cave in the middle of a Tuesday? Yeah. That feels a little sexual harassment. From who? To all of us that had to watch you do that. You were, you're, all right, then why are you gonna tweet it?

That means you won't tweet it then? Because it's sexual harassment? Deal. No, because I believe in speaking truths to to power and I think that anything done like that should I brought to light Stan already brought it to light good you have no yes solely has created this false narrative and you guys are running with it so he was just doing his job doing my job that smile God bless facility memes you got a firefest fucking a man but yes what okay man sucking a man sucking a man yeah yeah yeah I took a line drive to the foot in softball oh no he was doing a man

thinking he was trying to a meme he should was trying to do a meme. He said sucking a man. Sucking a man was right there for you memes. Yeah, I was holding that one in. I took a line drive to the foot. Let us know when you're holding another one in because we don't want you to like pass out. Seems like you got a fucking man. Also Jake got shed on by a bird. That's good luck. Very good luck, yeah. Wait, you got hit by a line drive

Yes, and she's fucking catch it. Oh on the foot. Yeah Wait, yeah, why did she catch it? I was I was I was based on second So if you were sitting on second, why'd you get called out? Why did you jump? I tried moving my foot and it moved it and do it reactionary it moved. Yeah, you control your feet Yeah, my brain my brain moved it and I got smoked by it Nodder it and we lost and we've got smoked. Well you and max right there I know so you guys might be the key to winning. I think we are 100% Well, maybe more the max part. I mean, I'm to know in the mound. You have a mask

See, I've seen you work on the mound you look better than that That doesn't make sense. No, it does. It does. I don't know about the mound. Yeah, what mound Mons pubis? They don't make sense Literally an anatomical better batting average. Yeah, then max I think so memes How many balls in play? I don't. It's probably close. Bap it?

Yeah, what's your Bap? What's your exit VLO? Well, Hank hits a lot of triples. He's always on third base. Yeah. Like that, Hank. I don't, I want you to say numbers. Numbers, 20.

Did you go deep? Max is not here, so 20 hitting would be the greatest thing ever. I should probably switch it up, huh? Actually, I should take a backup video so he can't think that this is edited. All right, we'll go 33. Look, I'm doing a backup video right here. I'm going to go 8.

3. I'm doing a backup video right here. I'm gonna go eight three Remember when Max never got this I texted pug to come in make sure to look away, but get come on pug 99 pug that wasn't actually pug, but that's what he's gonna say Shane Pug numbers he said 99 pug like was off his mic was off Shane 21 21 pug say it again pug you want to talk about what you want to talk about he's gonna oh yeah I have something to ask of PFT and big cat oh no not sure if they're gonna say yes it's pretty serious well as long as it's not you know suck your dick we'll be fine no and the old in the New York office we had something that brought everyone together and it was good camaraderie but uh we had a blitz

machine in the old office and we don't have one here. Yes Yeah, okay. Yes problem What does it mean brought everyone together just brought you together with the machine like the production guys? Oh, okay? Yeah, that's yes. Why are you nervous about asking that we got to get NBA Jam, too. I Don't know how big buck hunter. Yeah, let's we gotta get big arcade. Oh a flight simulator. Let's get a whole arcade arcade, Pug. Oh, a flight simulator. Let's get a whole arcade. Yeah, all of it. That's all rolled into one. Let's give VR goggles. You put them on and Hank sucks your dick. All next time, Mr. Pair's cage. I'm going to have to make a, uh, I'm going to have to ask AI Hank. Everyone say their numbers again just in case 20 33

75 Love you guys. Oh, yeah, I already said we'll see on Tuesday. Love you guys. I'll be coming for your love of dreams Take on me Take me on I'll be gone In a day or two I'm too Needless to say I'd say yes But I'll be stuttering a little way So that every word is okay

Say after me It's for better to say this after me Take on me Take me on I'll be gone in a day or two Have things that you say that isn't a lie, but just to play my words easily You are the things I've come to remember You're shying away, I'll be coming for you anyway Take on me, take me on

I'll be gone in a day Help me come In empty