Pardon My Take - NFL Draft With Todd McShay And Daniel Jeremiah, Jimmy Butler Is A Dawg, Trae Young Stuns Boston And The Return Of Jimbos

Episode Date: April 26, 2023

Trae Young ripped Hank's heart out while he was on a peloton and the Celtics have to go back to Atlanta (00:00:00-00:11:42). The Nuggets and Suns are set for a second round matchup (00:11:42-00:15:51). Playoff hockey talk and the Leafs may win a series (00:15:51-00:21:16)? We talk Monday's games with Jimmy Butler having an all time playoff performance and Lebron shutting Dillon Brooks up (00:21:16-00:35:59). Aaron Rodgers is finally a New York Jet (00:35:59-00:41:45). Hot Seat/Cool Throne including people sending Morgan Wallen itemized reimbursements (00:41:45-00:59:56). Todd McShay joins the show to talk about the draft, what players he loves, what he's hearing around the league and he correctly nails Aaron Rodgers news (we taped on Monday morning ) (00:59:56-01:42:06). Daniel Jeremiah joins us to tell us his favorite QB's and defensive players, how scouting departments are looking at different players and much more (01:42:06-02:20:59). We finish with the return of Jimbos and the lottery ball machine (02:20:59-02:36:56).You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/PardonMyTake

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It's ended by Barstool Sports. Welcome to part of my take today is Wednesday, April 26. And the Boston Celtics and Atlanta Hawks are going to a game six. Ooh. That's sweet. It was such a sweet ending to the game. Like, as Joelle and Bede put it, front of the program,

this is some good hoops. Hashtag, ice tray. Some good hoops. It was some good hoops. It was some good hoops tonight. And I know that you guys were texting the game. I know that you guys were texting the group chat. I was watching.

I'm at my mom's new place. And I was watching on her brand new cable that we installed. And it was, we don't know what the real channels are yet. So I was having to watch on the Spanish broadcast of it. And the Spanish broadcast of the wedgie call at the end of the game was just electric. Jake, I wish I had recorded for you. Yeah, I need to see that.

Is it on, like, what channel? Can you recreate it? I don't know. I just selected TNT. And I think that her TV was set up on the SAP button. So it was like, wedgie, wedgie, wedgie. That's great. By the way, so we're recording the first 10 minutes

on Riverside on Zoom. We're going to talk about Monday Night's games after that. So we're going to talk about LeBron and Jimmy and all that stuff. I don't know if you noticed at PFT. As I was saying, the Boston Celtics and Lennox are going to game six. Max was just whispering to himself,

let's go, let's go. And Hank looks like he wants to throw up. Boys, I mean, Hank, we should start with you. What happened? It was a 13-point lead with 6'10 left. I think we all had the same thought. Like, this series is over. Thanks for coming out, Hawks.

You won your one game. And then Trey Young absolutely took over. 38 points, 13 assists. Like, the shot he made, I actually, that one was more on Jaylen Brown, backpedaling as hard as he was. The minute he started backpedaling, Trey Young was like, I'm going to shoot this.

And he was shooting from everywhere all night. And they kept switching. It was Al Horford was on him, and he hit a three in his face. And it was Robert Williams on him, and he hit in his face. They were just calling screens and getting big guys on him. So he had open looks. It was one of the most frustrating games in a long time. It was just one of those games I was on.

I had the Peloton right there. I was on the Peloton. Headphones in, not even listening. At the end of the game, just riding along, thinking about Philly, just getting ready, watching more as a formality. And then the last two minutes, I was at a complete stop, headphones out, watching, and just couldn't believe my eyes.

There's no more. Marcus Smart, obviously, defensive player of the year. Last year. You love having him on your team last year. He had a terrible end of the game. Trying to play defense on Trey Young and fouling him to give him the lead, that was crazy. They could have just stopped him right there.

Yeah. Jason, it was just, it was bad. It was bad all around. Yeah, Jason Tatum won for 10 from 3. It was actually like, because, you know, it was basically every bad Celtics game this year where Jason Tatum's not shooting well, and they give up a huge lead.

And they're, to quote Doc Rivers, playing with their meat, which something Philly didn't do. Yeah, I just want to point out that there's no finer example of Boston privilege than Hank saying I was watching this game more as a formality. It's just, that's what it felt like. Yeah, but who watches games as a formality?

Like you just, like you're checking off a box. No, like, it was spoiled. I mean, I mean more, the game was over. You're spoiled boy. I thought the game was over. It's like, all right, the game's over. I'm going like, I can move on with my life, but I have to at least physically watch the game end.

That's what I mean by formality. No, but it's the final buzzer. Let's not forget the fact that you thought it was such a formality. You thought that you could start to get a workout in before the game is over. That's how much of a formality it was. I did.

I was like, you know, this game is, this game's over. I might as well get some, get some calories burned in the fourth quarter. Now, OK. And then I didn't, I burned like 80 because I was fucking stopped and just staring there, sitting in awe and disgust. I know that face.

I've seen that face in a text message before. I love the idea of Hank getting on his exercise bike and then just being so disgusted with everything that's happening that he doesn't even exercise. And he just gets off and doesn't work out at all. Listen, Hank, I'll back you up on this. I'll back you up on this. I've quit workouts for far less, far less.

You just show up to the gym and you're like, nah, not today. Put your clothes back on and leave. OK, so it was a, it was crazy. Like Trey Young deserves all the credit. He was hitting every shot, you know, controlling the game. Hank, your panic meter, because so people are, a lot of people were asking what happens to Soul Patch Bet. If the Celtics don't advance.

Well, good thing is Hank already said that if the Celtics don't advance, he will do the Soul Patch himself. So he's already in a Soul Patch Bet. You're in a Soul Patch Bet. Yeah, I don't even care about the Soul Patch. I care much more. But again, I'm, you know, I'm going to sound a little bit like a hypocrite here because on the, on whatever Sunday show,

I was focused on Philly and fully, you know, we're talking about the Soul Patch Bet. I'm just, I'm back to the Hawks. OK, got to just close out Game Sikes. Don't worry about the Sixers. Don't worry about Max's ugly fat face. Just focus on the Hawks, beat the Hawks, and then we can. Climb that bridge when we get to it.

OK, now there's also a matter to be solved about the about the Atlanta Hawks and their home arena having to cancel a Janet Jackson concert because the Hawks thought there's no way that we end up playing six games in this series. So Taylor Swift is also there this weekend. Yeah, they scheduled a Janet Jackson concert. They have to cancel that concert. I think that everybody that had tickets, Hank,

you should refund one person personally to make to a tone for it for the vibes. If there is a listener of this show that also bought tickets to the Janet Jackson concert in Atlanta, I will refund those tickets. All right. But you have to send me a receipt. Dude, you don't know what to do with that crossover. If that crossover exists, like, yeah, it exists. I I got you. It exists. Just one ticket, though, not to just just one ticket.

OK, so it now, I mean, I don't actually blame the arena for that because the Hawks, a fun little stat, the Hawks have been five hundred or one game away from five hundred either over or under for ninety nine out of the last 101 days. All they do is just get to five hundred. They are if you count the play in, which technically doesn't count, they're a perfect forty four and forty four on the season. Like that's just what they do.

They're the middling team that now has the Celtics having to go back to Atlanta to try to beat Trey Young, Deontay Murray back after bumping. That I'm actually shocked that he didn't get suspended for longer because that was an aggressive bump of a ref. They might be better without him. Yeah, maybe. But I'm already in that. I'm already thinking that, like, hopefully he comes back and they're back to being discombobulated.

So my question, though, so I want to hear from Max real quick. Today could not have gone better for him. And Bede is back 100 percent, Max. And Bede is back. Definitely not 100 percent, but it looks like he's probably going to be playing through pain and looking a little bit different. Looking a little bit better now that it's starting on Monday instead of Saturday. I'll say two extra days, two extra days to get healthy.

Now it's finalized. Game one starts on Monday, no matter what happens in game six. Hank being a video and audio producer and having his Mike airs auto focus, turn off auto focus. I don't know. Second, you watch, watch on the YouTube because Hank was doing a Joe Buck picture of himself for a second. No, you have to like whatever.

Yeah, I was the other thing I said on the Peloton. I was I was planning out Saturday. I was like, I think I should go back to Boston trying to go to the game. Oh, no, Hank, you got ahead of yourself. I did. Big time. So it was it felt right. What are your nerves at? Five percent.

I mean, there's no way even if you lose game six, you're not going to lose game seven. No. Like that's I feel confident in that. I don't think a Boston team would be involved in that. No, no, you're good. You're good. I mean, for your planning purposes, they can still go back Saturday for a game. Oh, true. Good point.

Like the game seven. Good point. I've actually never seen the Hawks come or come back from a massive lead to go on to win the game in seven. But who knows? Yeah, Ben Simmons passing up a nice little dunk, something like that. No, yeah, I've never seen that happen. I've never seen Trey Young come back from a big lead and end up winning a series.

So OK, so other games, congrats to your nuggets, PFT. Thank you. They've gotten one round. Your Wolves future that you were telling us all they got to do is get to the Western Conference final fell a little short. But, you know, I don't really know where the wolves are going to go from here. Hank's right. Hank's right. You're gaslighting. You're you're a gaslighter. You're gaslighter.

My my system, my system, which was right at the time, my process was correct, was that I was betting on the wolves to finish out the season slightly stronger by slightly stronger. I meant like one or two more wins in their last 12 games and they actually got. I was betting on them to end up playing the Kings in the first round. But I was hoping for that matchup and knowing that Deer and Fox would break his finger against the Warriors. And yeah.

And then and then they would go ahead and they would be able to win that first series. Then if they got to the second series, there might be a hedge opportunity. But definitely if they won two series, there would be a huge one. So my system was right. But the good news for me is I have a lot more money that's on the line for the nuggets. I stood to make more money on the T Wolves, but I had more of my own personal money on my nuggets for a long time. This is a bet two years in the making.

So I'm I'm I'm happy. We said on the last show that Yolkich hadn't been the guy yet and they had still been playing well. Well, right after we recorded that show, Yolkich went out there and dropped like 40. Tonight he had a triple double. So we're we're good. We're in good shape right now. And you know what?

Nobody's talking about us. No one's talking about the nuggets. I'm actually like it felt dirty that you had the the T Wolves against them because the nuggets are your team. They're your Western Conference team. Like you needed them. Yeah, the better the better PFT team advance both for you personally and you're like two two years stake in this and also for the larger money.

The T Wolves were a fling. It was an impulsive thing that I did that I thought I figured out a way to break Vegas, which I did. But the T Wolves and they didn't they didn't pull their end of the bargain. That's my problem with it. I did everything that I could. I made all the right moves. But sometimes sometimes, you know, Rudy Gobert doesn't listen to math and

he punches his teammate in the face. That's when they win that game. Still they. Yeah. So the nuggets are done or sorry, the Timberwolves were done. That poor guy in game four in the Timberwolves crowd who was waving the nuggets goodbye down three one. That was tough.

But yeah, I do think the nuggets are very, very good. I'm excited. I want I'm we're going to talk about LeBron a little bit. But Jokic is one of those players that he's been so good and the playoff, like the team has not gone far enough. I'm rooting for him just because I don't like when people are like, well, he sucks because he's a bum in the playoffs, you know, and he's fun to watch. Yeah, no, I mean, he's he's legitimately he's an MVP.

Some would say that he should have been the MVP this year. I'm not saying that, but a lot of people have said that he's a beast. Yeah, I mean, he's he's not a fluke. I don't think you can say he chokes in the playoffs. Last year in the playoffs, he had like he had absolutely zero help. All of his best teammates were completely injured. All I agree. So the nuggets, the nuggets were always a sleeping giant

that people weren't thinking about because they do have a big three. So I'm pumped. I'm pumped to see whoever who would they play? What's their magic? They're playing the Suns. The Suns are up right now as we're taping this. Suns are up 17 with start of the fourth quarter. So they're going to play the Suns.

It's going to be a great series. These whole playoffs have just been awesome. I feel like every night is just an insane game. Revenge game for this, for the Suns and four guy. Yes. Yes. Well, I'm going to call it right out. No, nugs and six. Yeah, revenge game for yeah, the guy who got knocked out, you mean?

Yeah, for that. Yeah. For that entire, of course, it was the Suns and four guy that was doing the knocking out on the guy that had the high ground. I'm just I'm calling it right out nugs and six nugs and six. All right, let's talk a little playoff hockey before we kick it to ourselves and talk about Monday night schemes. The Leafs might win a series.

Yeah. It's pretty crazy. And they've been doing it in like as as dramatic a fashion as possible. Going down big, coming back big. I mean, I guess they might actually do this. They might actually win a series. They were down for one against the Lightning, and it was it looked as bleak as it could possibly get.

And then I don't know, something happened. That's what you need in hockey. You need you need that spark to happen. We talked about the other day with memes. You need a game where you come back and you snatch victory from the jaws of defeat. And then all of a sudden things start rolling downhill for you. So I'm hoping I'm hoping that's what happens with the Leafs.

What's that? Why are you shaking your head, Hank? No, you're right. That's that's how it goes. It is. Yeah. I know, I'm worried that like that's oh, you're still thinking about the Celtics. So I say over five percent. The Leafs next. No, I'm not worried about the no, no, no, no, no.

I am talking about the Celtics. Oh, you are. OK. The Bruins, I mean, the Bruins and the Leafs might as well be the Celtic Sixers. Like it's like they we play all the time. They never win, which is how it goes. OK, the other ones Islander survive. I someone was getting upset that we never say the H words on here,

which I won't say because it I mean, they it kills people every every what? Like when's when's H word season? It's like late summer. It's like once a year now, summer, early fall. But I refuse to say I refuse to say that name. Someone was like, would it kill you guys to say the H words? And he said the full word. And I was like, yeah, we don't say that on this podcast.

But the Islanders back to Game Six. Every hockey series feels awesome. And then the Rangers, the Rangers fans are right now facing an absolute disaster situation because the way they won the first two games and they talked all that shit and now it feels like the devils have have control of this series. There's nothing worse and like kind of a mini rival. There is nothing worse than having that early success feeling

like you got them and having everything flip on you and all that shit you talked coming right back in your face. I mean, that's the story of New York sports for the last, what, 10 years? That's kind of how they operate. It's honestly sad how excited New Yorkers get about first round playoffs. Yeah, it really is. Like it's really sad. Like let's let's think about it because you've got the Rangers, right?

You've got the Knicks from last year. These Knicks might be a little bit different, but you've got the Knicks from last year and then you also have the Giants beating the Vikings and all the Giants fans around our office. We're like, yep, this team, this team is going to take care of the Eagles. We can do this. We can make it happen. It's sad. New York, have a little bit more respect for yourself. OK, Sak was the one to game and Memes put a time picture of the year.

Photoshop all instantly, regular season game. It's sad how how low the bar has fallen here in New York. Is Memes is Memes here right now or is he on the train? He's not here. He did give me a statement to read about the Islanders. OK, Islanders minute with Memes and then we'll kick it to ourselves and talk about the rest of the playoff games. OK, Islanders minute with Memes.

To whom it may concern, two minutes left in hockey with the other team controlling the puck in your zone is an awful feeling. Yes. Wanted to throw up the entire time. Is this a poem? With that being said, back against the wall, you get a win on the road. It's coming back to the Island for game six on Friday. You win and anything can happen in a game seven. Go Islanders. Nice.

And what he is right, that game, the last like four minutes, it felt like the H words had had the puck in the Islanders zone. And it was like excruciating if you're an Islanders fan. It is really no worse feeling like something's going to something. That is going to happen. Yeah. And even in some of the best moments of a time like that, it just becomes a face off and then you have to have a face off in your own zone. So you just get like a 15 second breather

to feel like you're not staring down the jaws of death. Yes. And then, boom, you're tossed back into the fire. And the Oilers look good. They might, I mean, unless they absolutely choke this. The Oilers. Oh, the Oilers. It's been like four hours, last three nights, the Oilers. The Oilers Kings series has been so much fun. It's like every game is just chaos, skulls everywhere.

But yeah, they're up six, three right now in the third, late in the third. Oilers might take that three, two lead. I feel like the Oilers, though, are like mini Leafs. Then the minute they get up in something or have any little success, it just blows up in their face. So that's a cautiously optimistic. Like maybe the Oilers will advance. I just like the term Oilenders.

Yeah, the Oilenders. That's a good team. And they have the same colors, pretty much. Yeah, they do. It sounds like a dude from Australia talking about like Samoans. Yeah, the Oilenders. OK, we have a lot more to talk about. We taped it earlier in the day, so not a scatterbrained.

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OK, let's talk about Monday night. We'll get to Aaron Rodgers, but we first have to talk about a man named Jimmy G. Buckets and the G stands for gets. That was one of the most impressive performances I've ever seen. Jimmy Butler scoring 56 fourth all time in points in a playoff game. MJ 163, Elgin Bailer 261, Don Mitchell 57 and then Jimmy Butler at 56. Yeah, he scored 56 points. He basically dragged the heat to victory.

It was his bubble, Jimmy. It was incredible, like watching it in person, you know, when you're watching like he had the first quarter where he was unstoppable. Then he was, you know, maybe got a little tired and then he came back, brought them all the way back when you're watching these moments on TV. And you're like, I'm watching something special where he could not miss every play he was part of, whether it be an assist or scoring. He's out of like they're the eighth seed ever.

I know Yannis hasn't played, but Jimmy Butler is carrying a team that I thought was dead to the brink of a huge, huge upset that no one saw coming. Yeah. Well, Yannis did play last night. And he got he was not the lead dog on the court. It was J. But J. But updated J. But rankings. I've got him number six in the NBA. As of last night's performance, if we're looking at the Steph Curry chart,

Jimmy Butler is officially back to being maybe the most underrated player in the NBA in the playoffs. It's playoff, Jim. It's playoff, Jimmy, 19 of 28 from the field. That that to me is insane because he went 15 of 18 from the foul line. Right. Yeah. That's what Jimmy does when he gets locked in. He doesn't really miss free throws. But the fact that he got these points and he was extremely efficient. Well, this is like probably the most efficient 50 point game of all time.

So I don't know how to quantify that because I'm not a nerd. But if I was a nerd, I would be able to back that up with actual numbers to me, just based on the eyeball test and watching the game and looking at the stat sheet. That's the most efficient 56 point performance of all time. And his spin moves like he had he had Yannis like he was one on one with Yannis in the low post. I think it was in the first quarter and he was just making moves left and right on

him like everything he was doing was working. So when you talk about efficiency, now, obviously, the playoffs have only gone four games so far. Fun fact, playing games don't count anywhere. The stats that happen in playing games don't go in the NBA history book. They just don't exist because it's a non regular season game. Dumbest rule ever. So those don't exist.

So it's only been four games. So obviously, if he goes on a long run, some of this will maybe regress the mean. But there are only two players in the history of NBA who in the playoffs have gone 35 points average, 35 points, five rebounds, five assists on 50 plus percent shooting. It's Michael Jordan, LeBron James, and now it's Jimmy Butler, and he's doing it on 62.8 percent shooting. Jay, that's insane.

Classic Jay, but you were talking about his his moves in the post. Some of his head fakes are just insane. It's it's crazy. And he remember that the old SNL sketch where it's the Batabi brothers that are just nodding their head. Yeah, that's what Jay, but you meet me. Yeah, yeah, he's just not like faking people out with his head, with his shoulders, with his neck.

He was dialed in. It was awesome. Now, I they have they have what appears to be a commanding lead in the series, which I but it also at the same time wouldn't shock me at all. If the Bucks just ripped off three wins. No, because when you actually look at it, the Bucks have a better team. But the heat have Jimmy Butler. Yeah, like it's it's and it took the most efficient playoff performance of all time to beat the Bucks in this game.

And the place was like rockin, which was cool, because Miami, maybe not known as the number one sports town. The whole thing was awesome to watch. We were having the debate. So you said six. I think that's where we landed. If you had to pick a guy to win a game in the playoffs. Yeah.

The the list that I was thinking was it's Giannis. Scott Foster, it's Giannis, it's Jason Tatum, it's Curry. It's Durant. Who is the other name we had? Chris Paul. Not Chris Paul. Oh, you hang through a quiet, which healthy quiet kind of agree with. And Jimmy Butler's right there.

Like there's I don't know who else we're missing. No LeBron. Oh, yeah, LeBron. LeBron is also there, which we'll get to in a second. Yes, that was the one we were missing LeBron. So he's somewhere in like five to seven, five to eight of guys that if you wanted to pick to win a game, he would be it. Like he that's how good he is in the playoffs.

Yeah. And how dominant he is. And it was it was an awesome. It was kind of like a Reggie Miller was saying it. That's the that's the most impressive heat performance. It is the only time I think a heat player scored 50 plus in a playoff game. And that's which is crazy with the big three. Yeah, LeBron, Dwayne Wade, Chris Ross, Alonzo Morning.

Like there's a lot of good players in heat history. And Jimmy just did it. Yeah, it was awesome. It was it was awesome to watch. Good for Jimmy. I still think we might win this. Yeah, I think they might too, which is. But it does go back to the fact that it took a statistical anomaly

to beat the Bucks in this game. He just does it again. Maybe he does it again. I don't know if he can do it twice in a row. But yeah, J. But is back officially. And I think that we overuse the term who's got that dog in him. Yeah, I feel like there's like 30 different guys in sports

that currently have a dog inside them right now. I think that I think it should be one guy has it has the dog in him. There should be one dog guy. I think dogs have Jimmy Butler. Dogs have Jimmy Butler in him. I'd say I'd say Jimmy Butler is the he's the head dog. Yeah, he's the alpha dog right now in sports. It's it's so much fun when he gets going.

And then the other one we had LeBron. Well, let's also talk about the fact that Duncan Robinson had a staggering plus 15 in the plus. Yeah, he's been awesome from three. Yeah, he's been awesome last two games. And then the night game LeBron vintage performance. I don't like LeBron. Everyone knows that we talked about it on Sunday,

but Dylan Brooks has made me like LeBron because I do think there's like a a pecking order and a hierarchy that you shouldn't mess with. Like Dylan Brooks is a nobody. LeBron is one of the best players of all time. So I found myself rooting for LeBron to like stick it to Dylan Brooks. And he does with the clutch shot eight point eight seconds left over. Dylan Brooks also hit that three quarters court court shot with time, which was that was very funny because it's like, what can he do?

But it was like an old school vintage. I'm going to throw it back and just be the best player on this court. First player since Shaq, it's first Laker since Shaq to have 20 points, 20 rebounds in a game. So he was incredible. Like he was incredible. He stuffed it to the the Grizzlies who are the Memphis Penis Touchers. They had another two on Monday night where they touched two more penises.

But it was cool to see like LeBron's 38 years old and he's doing this. And I am officially on like Lakers might be really, really good watch. So as LeBron gets older and as we age gracefully, I might add on this podcast, I do start to find myself rooting for him in places where I wouldn't have before. Just because it's like if LeBron is still going out there and dominating the NBA, I'm still young. Right. It makes me feel young to see him do that. Whereas before when he was dominating, when he was like 20, 21 years old, 22 years old,

I was like, what have I done with my life? Why is this man doing so many things that I'm not even in the position to think about? But now that we're getting older, it's like I find myself gradually hating him less. And you're right. Part of that has to do with the fact that I just it's not that I love LeBron. It's that I I like him. I hate him less than I hate Dylan Brooks. Right. And so it's like the old the old story of if you're getting chased by a tiger,

you don't have to be faster than the tiger. You just have to be faster than the other guy that the tiger is chasing. I want Dylan Brooks to get eaten by the tiger. I'm OK with LeBron surviving this. He's switched on me because I and he no commented again last night after the game. I just you can't do that. You can't you can't say LeBron's old and poke the bear and back it up with absolutely nothing. Like he is he is a total, total clown.

And LeBron proved that he still got a lot of gas in the tank. And I am the Lakers, I believe, if you include playoffs since the trade deadline, have the best record in the NBA. They do. So, yeah, I'm nervous. I'm officially nervous. But it's good for the league. Good for the league.

Good for the league. But the more he's around, the more excited we root for ratings on this podcast. Yes. By the way, this is good for ratings. I mentioned the fact that LeBron had the first he was the first Laker with 20, 20 points, 20 rebounds in a playoff game since Shaq. One of my favorite things to do is look old Shaq like his his game logs from the playoffs in the 2001 playoffs. He had three separate games where he had 40 plus.

He went 44, 21, 43, 20. And then in game one of the finals, he had 44 points and 20 rebounds. Like that. He was just so fucking dominant. Yeah. So dumb. Those old Lakers teams were a lot of fun. Also, most important player on that team, Robert Ori. Yes. That's a fact.

Clutch legend. That's a fact. But yeah, LeBron, Hank, do you want to say anything about the fact that LeBron seemingly has a very nice path to the NBA finals? I don't think they'll make the finals, but. I am now I'm now retracting my original take of like, I don't take them seriously. I have to take the Laker series. I'm I'm just I think I am rooting for Celtics Lakers in the finals. That would be awesome a little bit.

And now that'd be awesome. I hope it happens. Those are all the chips. I'd rather put the Lakers than the Suns. It's also you guys are tied for or the Warriors for total championships. Yeah. So are you nervous about LeBron? No. Were you rooting for LeBron last night? No. OK.

But I've said it, I've said it on the show over the years. He has done well so many times that it's impossible to hate on him as a bad player. I still. He's not a bad player. I root against him. Well, he's not at the show cars. There was a while where he was a choker and he. No, he hits clutch shots. He hit that.

Right. I only argument that you have against LeBron as a player. The only knock that people can have on him is that he's not as good as the greatest basketball player of all time. I very thoroughly enjoy rooting against him. I don't hate him as a person, but I very much enjoy rooting against him, and it hurts sometimes. But I just hate what Dylan Brooks sports. He's just it's nice to have someone to root against.

Yeah, it does make. Yeah, it makes you hate Dylan Brooks more. Yeah, knowing that he makes you hate LeBron. It's lightweight, hilarious that we're actually rooting for LeBron. Yeah, no, I and I can't deny my feelings, but it will change once they get out of this series. But Dylan Brooks has made me root for LeBron to basically shove it in his face. And John Merritt, the play he made at the end of the game, like that should have been the story.

Obviously, LeBron hit that shot, but that was an incredible, incredible play. You know, you know what I like about LeBron sometimes is when he does get actually mad at something because he spends so much of his time making everybody like him and trying to just like appeal to everybody and try to be this big mythical figure that I like to I like it when he actually gets emotional on a human level. That's not calculated. Yeah. And when he's pissed off at somebody, he's fun to watch. Yeah.

Yeah, LeBron, I think also the cracks in the Grizzly team are showing because I believe I can't remember. I think it was I think it was Bane that was on LeBron, and he said afterwards that the help needed to come there and the help was Dylan Brooks. Yeah. And so I think that if you're Grizzlies, if you're on the Grizzlies, you have to be pissed that Dylan Brooks did this. Yeah. Oh, yeah. It like I think we talked about this last week. It's the Lance Stevenson to Sean Stevenson factor.

People challenging LeBron that have no business challenging LeBron actually makes it way worse for everybody else on the team. Yes. And also Austin Reeves, twenty three points. Austin, he's awesome, like 18 legitimately a good player. Yes. Yes. I am taking the Lakers for real. I retract my my initial statement and I was wrong. It's a lot of people are thrown out the Alex Caruso, Matthew Delavadova comparisons for Austin Reeves.

Let me just say that Austin Reeves is not Matthew Delavadova yet. Right. Yes. Yes. OK. Other news, Aaron Rodgers is now a jet officially. Congratulations to us, Billy, to both of us and to memes and to memes. Are you excited? I'm pumped. It was getting I actually tweeted yesterday morning before the news broke. I was like, if this thing doesn't happen, it's never going to happen. Yeah, then it happened.

Well, if this thing doesn't happen, it's never going to. That's that's no like around the draft. Confucius around the draft. It was if it wasn't going to happen right before the draft or right after the draft, it was never going to happen. It was one of those things like, you know, it's the check in the mail. Yeah, like is it really coming? And now that it's real, jets are definitely going to go to the playoffs.

It might make a run up to goals. Don't actually. So hype. They have a top five defense. They have weapons and they've Aaron Rodgers. I really don't see how this goes wrong. Yeah. OK. Here's how it goes. It's great. I'll clip that. Literally, everything you just said is how it goes wrong. Guaranteed to make the playoffs.

Let me just ask you guys off the top of your head. Since the last time the Jets made the playoffs, let's count the Jets last playoff game as being one game. OK. How many more playoff appearances do the Detroit Lions have than the Jets? Two, three, three. We have three times as many playoff appearances as the Jets since the last time the Jets made the playoffs. Wow. So the Jets have been like historically,

they've been on a real bad run recently. And they're the longest route, right? I don't know if they that sounds right. I think they're the longest route in the NFL. But but saying all the talk about the Jets being one piece away, that's it feels like kiss of death scenario, where it's like we finally have the complete total package right now. And Aaron Rodgers switching to a new team.

He's familiar with the offense because he's got his emotional support quarterback in the room with him. He's got his emotional support coach, Nathaniel Hackett, in the room with him. So it feels like it shouldn't be that bad of a transition. But you also can't discount the history of New York Jets quarterbacks. They have they almost have they have 12 years since they've been in the playoffs. The Broncos are the second with seven. That's always loud to hear that the Broncos and they won the Super Bowl

the year before that. Yeah. So yeah, it is just this goes back to when you told us that you feel bad for us. The Jets are still the Jets. No, no, this time is different. OK, this time our quarterback uses hallucinogens, which will allow him to circumnavigate like any bad press. OK, he's going to he's going to hate the New York media and he's going to be so combative to him.

But he's the only one he's going to love it. He's I think he's going to love getting into fights with the New York media, whereas other Jets quarterbacks, they feel all the pressure from the media. Now, the New York media is going to feel the pressure from Aaron. It's going to be like that BBC interview with Elon Musk, where Elon's like, I'm going to question you now. That's what Aaron is going to do to the media here. It's going to be a fun show to watch for sure.

And I actually do think like they're on paper. He is the missing piece. Yeah, because the Jets scored. They didn't. I don't think they scored a single offensive touchdown in their last three games of the year. You know, Zach Wilson is very bad. But he's going to now they have Aaron Rodgers. The articles are already being written about how this gives Zach Wilson

second life. Are you writing them? No. Yeah. What do you mean? The articles I read two articles already about how Aaron Rodgers not only sets up the Jets for success now, but could provide mentorship to Zach. You're talking to yourself. No, it doesn't count as an. No, no. I was having these takes like months ago, but now the mainstream media is like putting out articles like to your time.

Since we're making bold claims, Billy said they're definitely making the play off and nothing can go wrong. I'll join you, Billy. Jordan Love, not that guy. I'm just going to enjoy it until he proves that he eventually obviously going to become that guy, because that's what the Packers do. But I have a little window here where I can talk shit and be like, maybe I'll be right. Yeah, maybe. Maybe he's not that guy. I'm you know what?

Big Cat, we've talked about how we would love to lose a Super Bowl. How fun would it be to lose a Super Bowl to Aaron Rodgers, though? I don't want to lose the Super Bowl to Aaron Rodgers, but I have a longstanding take of if you take out the Bears, I'll say the Bears are bad next year, which isn't, you know, it's not like you have to daydream too hard. The Jets winning a Super Bowl and Aaron Rodgers retiring after winning one Super Bowl with the Jets in one year

would make me very happy because I would be able to say he won one in one year in New York and he won one in 15 years in Green Bay. Yeah. So I'm kind of rooting for Aaron Rodgers. Also, Aaron Rodgers, if you're looking for like someone in New Jersey to hang out with knows the area, just hit me up. OK. OK. I'll show you like where some good spots are. Open invite. Nice. You can chill in my backyard.

I think preemptive take. I think he's going to fuck Zach Wilson's mom. Yeah. Just get out of the way. Be on the lookout for that. Be an alpha. Yeah. Because I mean, Zach said he's going to make whoever is going to be the start of quarterback. He's going to make their life hell. I think it's already a contentious relationship.

Yeah, I think you would have made Derek Carr's life hell, but not Aaron Rodgers. I think you respect some way too much. OK. What are we basing that off of? I mean, Aaron Rodgers. It's just Bill. He's just your own brain. It's your own brain. Yeah. It's yeah.

No, I got it. Enjoy it. I'm not. You should be happy. I do think the Jets are going to be very pumped. Yeah, you should be. This is going to be a very fun season. The Jets never play in prime time. They're going to play a fuckload of prime time games this year. Yep. It's going to be good. Yeah.

You know, MetLife has only hosted one playoff game. Damn. And it was back in 2012. That's crazy. And it was the Giants. And it was the Giants. Giants. OK. Let's do Hot Sea Cool Throne. Then we got a lot of draft talk with McShane, Daniel Jeremiah. Hot Sea Cool Throne is brought to you by our friends at Coors Light.

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My first hot seat, I'm going to embrace the base hot embrace debate hot seat. Coach Prime. OK. Embrace debate. Colorado had 18 players under the transfer portal on Monday. That's after the spring game 41 total since Deion Sanders was hired. Sixty three of their 83 players scholarship from twenty twenty two have moved on. Most drastic roster flip of the portal era. Is that a hot seat for Coach Primers?

He just, you know, out with the old and with the new. Yeah, he's just he's brought his luggage with him. Iron, sharpens iron. And it's Gucci. Yeah. Louie, Louie, Louie. I don't know. We don't say Gucci on this podcast. That's true. So not hot seat. Not hot seat. No.

They did lose a couple of players. You put up amazing tape in the spring game and they're just using that to leverage their transfer portal. They were probably wearing hats during meetings. And Prime was like, no, no, no, no. Didn't say, ma'am. Yeah. When seeing a woman. OK. Then my other hot seat is the beam.

OK. Yeah. Tiaran Fox. Tiaran Fox suffered a fractured index finger on his left shooting hand. He's a lefty. He is listed as doubtful for Game Five. Credit to Hank. Tough, tough. Hank. That is tough for the beam team.

Yeah. What can I say? And it's credit to Hank when he heard us hyping him up. Yeah. No, do you? I'm not a basketball player. Do you really need your finger on your shooting hand to shoot the ball? Maybe a little. Maybe. We should ask. Yeah, just a touch.

Yeah, it's tough. It's tough for Sacramento. But also like we discussed, it gives you a good excuse. Yeah. Like we were going to beat the Kings or we were going to beat the Warriors and then Tiaran Fox broke his finger. So, you know, if history goes, if it's like one inch to the side, yeah, we win that series. Great. What if. All right, your cool throne. My cooler, my cool throne is Peter Hewlin.

Yeah, you had that one way wrong. You line, you line line. That's the fourth ace for people who. That's the fourth is for the people that listen on Monday show. I said it doesn't matter. Only the top three matter. Turns out not only is he a top three ace. Yep, he's number one in the individual standings for the whole league. Yeah, but it's a team game, so we're not expected to know that.

And isn't his dad like the CEO of was it titleist? Yeah, and he's from Massachusetts to Bedford. So you know, I mean, what is his dad being? That's what does that have to do with anything? Oh, people know him. Do you, you know, I always know the four aces. No, but like, do you know, you know, it's Taylor Mades, the guy that runs Taylor Mades.

He was a four is a Taylor runs. Yeah, if he was on, if he was a one of the aces, I would. Yeah, it's the four aces are Patrick Reed, Dustin Johnson, Peter Hewlin and Ringo. Perez, Matt Perez, Matt Perez, yes. Pat Perez, Pat Perez. Pat Perez, who's also very good at golf. Yes, he's incredible at golf.

He's a stick. OK, yeah, maybe next time, remember your four aces. I will. He's on the cool throne. You should be saying it like when you get down and pray every night before you go to bed, say your four aces. Be nice. All right, PFT. My hot seat is Kmart. Oh, I put Kmart on the hot seat. Our friend Ross Tucker tweeted out a draft take today

and kind of maligned Kmart on it. He said that Will Levis is going to fall. Here's why he's Kmart. If you want to polish passer, it's Stroud. If you want upside potential, it's Richardson. If you want cheapest price, you go to Walmart. If you want something nice, you go to Target. Kmart got caught in between like Levis.

So it's kind of a ricochet shot of Kmart, which might not exist anymore. Yeah, I'm not sure. So I was I was on the train up here this morning and I had a little bit of time on my hand. It does exist. It does. OK, so Will Levis is Kmart per Ross Tucker NFL. I like how he puts NFL so you know that he's talking football. We're talking pro football here.

So I had a little bit of time on the train. So I just I made some comparisons of NFL players compared to what chain store they would be. OK, you can feel free to jump in if you if you think of any. I had Justin Herbert Paxson. OK, Pacific Sunward, Josh Allen, Big and Tall. OK, James Winston, Spencer Gifts. I think Big and Tall is for fat guys.

Yeah, well, he's he's big and he's tall. But you know what I'm saying? Josh Allen should be big and tall as a store for for for for fats. Yeah, for the fats. Josh Allen should be Keith. OK, he's Keith. Yeah. OK. He's cool. He is very cool. Derek Carr, Supreme. He's not a hype beast. Josh Allen's fucking. No, but people hype him up.

O.B.J. Supreme. Yeah, but like, yeah, yeah, Billy's right. O.B.J. Supreme. OK, Josh Allen's like Carhart. OK. Yeah, OK, I like that. Yeah, tough, hardworking. Yeah, doesn't need to be flashy. Derek Carr, hot topic. He just looks goth. Yep. Kyler Murray, GameStop. Yep. For the video game, but also because he's in the news for being shorted. Yep.

Mack Jones, I just have him. I just wrote that he was meeting with his DUI attorney in the food court at the mall. OK, that's where he's at. Lamar Plumber Supply. What has never made mistakes when you were younger? I made several mistakes. I'm just I'm doing a comparison for the show here. Well, that wasn't a shoe.

You're doing comparisons for stores. You just didn't name a store. Like, no, it's the mall. It's the mall food court. He should be meeting with the DUI lawyer. Yeah, got it. No, he should be at like the DMV for like reeducation. OK. Yeah, good job, Billy. He's at the DMV.

I have Lamar Plumber Supply. OK. And Michael Strahan, the gap. OK. Carson Wentz, Cabela's. I like that. OK. Yeah, to Sean Watson, I put the gas station come and go. No, wouldn't it be the he would be the little massages that you get for 15, 15 bucks for 15 minutes. Massage in the mall.

In the ones in the airport. Yeah, no, but the ones in the mall, if we're doing a mall. No, he's at the massage chairs near the court. Yeah, he's not allowed to be near a person. Yeah. OK. That's I think that's my entire list that I jotted. I'm sure I missed some. OK. So fill me. Oh, Kirk Cousins Chick-fil-A.

And it seems like Chick-fil-A reasonable price. I don't know. Very polite. Not. Yeah, there you go. Oh, who's the Anteans? Oh, Anteans. Or like Panda Express. Whoever smells the best. Yeah. Who is the best smelling looking quarterback? And Jalen Hurts. Jalen Hurts.

Yeah, he could be Anteans or Jalen Hurts, American Eagle. Yeah, would be another good one. My cool throne is Central Florida Defense Attorneys. Oh, because Casey Anthony was seen buying baby clothes. Yeah. At Disney World, I think she was walking around. You know, I hate to see her go, but I love to watch her leave. Yeah. Shout out, Casey Anthony. I disavow her actions.

But first edition a while. What, to the bonk list? She's thick. Did you see the picture? She's thick, Hank. Did you hear the Duracell ad? Hank, she is thick. Oh, no, 417, you called Russell Westbrook a good looking guy. Oh, he is. Yeah, it's just a fact. Casey Anthony is thick.

She's dummy thick. Yeah. Dummy thick. But maybe the purchasing of baby clothes, I hope it's for somebody else's baby. Yeah, that feels that feels bad. Yeah. That's all I have to say about Casey Anthony at this time. So it was just cool to run Casey Anthony's hot. Central Florida Defense Attorneys, if she actually is has another child. All right. My hot seat is we were talking about Jimmy Butler

and what he did. My hot seat is Chicago Bulls, because we are now looking at Jimmy Butler potentially playing Tibbs in the second round. And while Jimmy Butler was putting on 56, Laurie Markinon got most improved player in the NBA. Oh, nice. Current guest. Just pretty much a whole, you know, every move that the Bulls have made has gone bad and they had all the right pieces and it's all falling apart.

So and the lawn does hurt bad. Yeah, we made the play in tournament. Yeah, we did. Made the second play in tournament. There you go. Yeah. Second round of it. And then my cool throne is Morgan Wallin. So Morgan Wallin got his he had a concert in Ole Miss. Everyone went to the concert, got beer, drank, hung out, and then he canceled the concert.

So people were very upset. Said he lost his voice. He lost his voice. The reason why he's on the cool throne, though, is that we then had people claiming they needed refunds. And this one woman tweeted out her itemized list of what she needs to be refunded for and everyone just dunked on her instead of Morgan Wallin. So Morgan Wallin, shout out you because you have this woman backing you up. So she said, Morgan Wallin, since you're offering refunds,

here's our itemized bill for you. Hotel. Is he offering refunds? I don't think so. That's the other part. I don't understand. Hotel, five hundred and sixty dollars. Gas, two tanks, eighty dollars. Tickets, four of them, sixteen hundred dollars. My outfit, one hundred and twenty dollars. My husband's outfit, two hundred and eighteen dollars. Oxford Grill House, two hundred and thirty five dollars.

Cracker Barrel, forty dollars. Los Parallel, I don't know what this must be, a Mexican restaurant. Forty five dollars. And then the best, Rebel Rags, which I assume is like the bookstore in Oxford, because we wouldn't have had the opportunity to go. Had it not been for this concert, six hundred and twenty nine dollars. Drinks at the concert, two hundred and twenty dollars. She spent six hundred twenty nine dollars at the Ole Miss bookstore.

She drill tweeted herself. She's like, someone help me with my budget. Six hundred and twenty nine dollars at the Ole Miss bookstore. Stop buying candles. Yeah, that was. Yeah, that's that's bold of her to request all this. I think he should refund the four hundred dollar tickets, right? Yeah, because if you just if you cancel and you're no show at the last minute, what do we know?

Do we know why he lost his voice? Do we know what he was screaming the night before? No, we don't. That's that's my big question. It was funny that people pick that to be canceling Morgan Wallin. Yeah, this is actually good for him. Yeah, because now it's like, I fucking hate Morgan Wallin. He's an asshole. Oh, why? Oh, because he didn't play that concert at Ole Miss. Right.

Right. By the way, the man's outfit, the husband's outfit that cost two hundred and nineteen dollars kind of goes pretty hard. So he's got he's got a he's got a just a button down shirt, a cold hat, some nice boots. He went hard at Brooks Brothers. Yeah, it's just very funny to see it. He'd be like, we're like, did he not have did he buy these clothes just for the concert? Yeah, that looks like every other shirt. He must not have any other shirts.

Yeah, if that's the one that he chose to wear to Morgan Wallin concert. She also claimed my husband has gone with me to two concerts ever in the 17 years we've been together. Somehow I talked him into this one and that in this shit happened. So emotional damage as well. Yeah, attack on a couple, couple of case. If I was Morgan Wallin, I lost my voice. Like maybe just offer a partial refront and go out there and just play your songs

and give people an experience, but being like just stand up there. Yeah, but then you lose your voice more. I know, but just be like, I'm not going to sing. I lost my voice. We'll give you a partial refund. Wouldn't that just be better for everybody? Probably. Yeah, probably. Or at least go out there and have him DJ his own songs.

Yeah, yeah. So people can just jam out. Yeah, either way, Morgan Wallin now on the cool throne because of this woman's itemized list that was ridiculous. We'll put a picture of her in the YouTube. Did he go watch YouTube as he issued like a formal statement on Twitter? Apologizing for things. I know that that Tottenham Hotspur issued a formal apology for losing six to one.

Yeah, it's a new cast. They did a Tampa Bay Lightning there, but they're also going to refund the fans that went out to that game. Nice. So Morgan Wallin. Yeah, let's get this woman. Four thousand dollars that she has. Excuse me, Tottenham. I mispronounced that people get mad at me. It's Tottenham.

It's also just funny because like you a lot of those things like you were going to eat anyway. Yeah, but we actually the most 40 dollars of cracker barrel doesn't seem like that much. That's the concerning part to me is that couple looks like they could do way more than 40 dollars with the damage of cracker barrel. Yes, Bill, your hot seat. Cool. My hot seat is Chief Sahalik.

As we know, the draft is in Kansas City. My reports on the ground are saying that he might resurface for the draft. He may be in Mexico, but he also may be hiding out in Kansas City. And the bounty hunter I talked to and some local police officers DM me and said that they're actively looking for Chief Sahalik at the draft. This isn't a warning to Chief Sahalik to not surface. But if I was Chief Sahalik, the spot's hot. Sounds like I kind of want him to go, though.

I would love for him to go on stage when Godel approaches the microphone. Roses stage. Just tackles Godel like that dude at the Chappelle concert. OK, Cool Throne. My Cool Throne is Ryan Garcia. So apparently by the way, the the it's funny because we should do like a tracker times I've mentioned Aaron Rogers being gone out of my life. Times PFT has mentioned the commander's sale.

Times Billy's mentioned Chief Sahalik. It's like we got our plays. We just run up. We all have a passion projects. He hasn't been caught. I know you you you need to catch them and let them go. Or I kind of catch and release if he's in Mexico. I would love to do like a like an interview with him, like where we blur his face and stuff.

And like I get blindfolded to a secret location. Yeah, that'd be pretty cool. I would love that, too, if you got kidnapped in Mexico when they interviewed the Taliban. Yeah, yeah, that's cool. So Ryan Garcia turns out one of his sparring partners who has a very hard to pronounce Mongolian name Erdabot Sudbatar apparently sent him to the hospital in training with a body shot. Oh, and the mole then leaked that information

to a Javante. So that sucks that you have someone in your camp that is leaking information. But it's not like Tank Davis wasn't going to try to hit him in the body. It's a boxing match. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Like, oh, maybe I'll hit him in the body because it also like it took him six rounds to hit him in the body. So I've got some inside information.

This guy's weakness is he hates getting punched. Yeah, really hard. But yeah, he saw that liver shot might have been. It still sucks. Like, it still would be brutal to have like your fight camp and then be like, there's a leak. Yeah, this guy got kicked out of the fight camp because he just was going too hard inspiring.

That's badass. Yeah. OK, wrap us up, Jake. And then we'll do some draft talk. My hot seats, Rick Petino, be careful. Yeah, I will. I will. I'm pissed. I miss this, by the way. You know, I think you must have said I did. Yeah, you guys could have.

So it's like one of our all time misses. Yeah. OK. So Sunday, the SPN broadcast at the Garden, they were doing their usual stars around the area. Celebrities, athletes, one of them was Rick Petino. And when they showed Rick Petino, you could see him mouthing his phone number, giving it to someone. So people called and texted that number.

He said he got over 300 plus messages. Ninety five percent were nice and positive, and he got seven new lead recruits and he changed his number. That would be one of the odds that the second he's showing, he's reading his number. I wish that I was around for that. I would have just called him up and said, Goats, we're all rooting for you.

We love you very much, Rick. Come on, come on by. Come on, come on, come on. Just come on. Just come as come as hard as you want on the podcast as come as you are. But be careful. Yeah, with what we say. But OK, crazy.

So that was crazy. Yeah. My cool throne is pissing down his leg right now. I was thinking about he's got a new phone. It's phone out there. Got a new phone. Got a new phone. All right. So number. OK. All right. Sure. Sure. You did, Rick. I'm going to try. I'm going to try.

Should we call the number? Yeah. Yeah. Do you have it? I can watch the video and I'm sure I'm doing during Jimbo's because this is a perfect Jimbo little preview for Jimbo's. OK. My cool throne, the Pittsburgh Pirates, they've been made fun of a lot the last few years. PFT, you even had a bet on the Barstow Sportsbook exclusively betting against them for two straight years, which was extremely profitable.

Well, it wouldn't be this year because they are 16 and seven. They've won seven in a row at the time of this recording. Maybe that'll jinx them. But just tip of the cap to the Pittsburgh Pirates. Yeah. But the Sacramento Kings doing that NBA, they've been made fun of, they've been bad. The Pirates have been awful. And they're where were the pirates on your on your total sports rankings?

Oh, God, let's say they're probably like second to last. Yeah. No pirates are good. The pirates are really good. The Pittsburgh Pirates, I have them at one 20 at a one 24. Oh, yeah. So, yeah, Jake, reverse motion. That's the worst baseball team. I would I would like very much, Jake, if you could put a pin in this moment on this date

and then track the Pirates performance over the rest of the season before Jake talked about how good they are. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. All right. OK. Good stuff. All right. Let's get to our interviews. We got Daniel Jeremiah. Sorry, we're going to do Todd McShay first, then Daniel Jeremiah. Great draft talk with both of them.

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Yeah, it's Todd McShay, NFL draft expert. You're going to see him on Thursday night. It is draft week. We're very excited. Todd, thank you for joining us. Let's start big picture. My favorite question to always ask, give us the three strongest position groups and three weakest in this draft so that we can go around and tell everyone, like, you know, this is the deepest

cornerbacks have ever been or something like that. Yeah, a quarterback is one of them. So you can you can start with that when you're when you have the conversation. Six drinks in and trying to be an expert. You know, I think we're going to teach you guys in the top 10. I'll be surprised if Devon or their spoon from Illinois isn't at the top 10 pick. He's the most complete cornerback. And then the traitsiest corner in this class is Christian Gonzalez from Oregon.

Then there's other guys like Emmanuel Forbes from Mississippi State, eleven career picks, six picks, sixes, which is an FPS record during his career. But he's real thin, you know, he's 166 pounds, but I love his instincts and both skills. And beyond that, I just think it's a really deep group of corners. I think probably five or six could wind up going in the first round. Then tight end. This might be the best tight end group that I've been a part of in the NFL

draft in twenty two years of doing it. Everyone knows about Dalton Kincaid from Utah, pass catcher, not a great blocker, but he's a difference maker after the catch and vertically. Michael Mayer from Notre Dame is going to be a stud. He's just he's he's a complete tight end. He's not as explosive, but he could block in line and do all those things. But beyond that, I think I've eight guys. I know of eight guys that could go in the first three rounds,

which is it's uncommon to have that many guys. Luke Musgrave from Oregon State is a really good pass catcher down the field. Sam LaPorta, I always got a tight end every year, right? Sam LaPorta is this year's version. Brenton Strange from from Penn State. I mean, the list goes on and on. It's a great group. Um, and then I would say probably edge rushers just because, you know,

you're lumping in kind of defensive ends and and outside linebackers that two guys. I mean, the number two overall pick. Everyone thought CJ Stroud from Ohio State was going to be Houston's pick at two. I'm not hearing that any I'm hearing. It's coming down to Tyree Wilson from Texas Tech, who's, you know, six foot five and changed 271 pounds long and powerful. Kind of reminds D'Amico Ryan's the new head coach of Nick Bosa. I'm not saying he's Bosa, but he's got those kind of, you know, physical traits.

And then Will Anderson, the outside linebacker, just edge, edge rusher led the nation the last two years in sacks and pressures and hits and all the numbers that you look for. And the hardest working player at Alabama, maybe in this entire draft class and talking to Nick Saban, he just, he couldn't, he could not keep enough praise on this young man. So those are the top two guys, then you get down to like Nolan Smith and undersized Burnover in a four, three, nine is 40 yard dash. Lucas Van Ness from Iowa, he's, he's loaded with talent and still kind of

scratching the surface as a, as a defensive end that can kick inside to defensive tackle. And Will McDonald from, from Iowa State, highly productive. Another guy like Nolan Smith, not even 240 pounds yet, but looking to continue to add bulk, he's just bendy around the edge and flexible and he's relentless. So there's a lot of good edge rushers, a lot of good tight ends, a lot of good cornerbacks in this class. Unfortunately, and running backs loaded too, but unfortunately, you know, I think when you get to, to offensive tackle guard, it's not a great class.

Safety is, is tough to, I mean, there's not going to be a safety draft in the first round, which is rare. And, and then I would say off the ball linebackers, you know, the inside linebacker types, probably not a first rounder in this year's class either. It's, it's interesting because I've heard a lot of people say the Texans are not planning on necessarily going with a quarterback at number two. Maybe I'm the dumb one. And yeah, we are kind of, I guess, an honorary part of Mills mafia for Davis

Mills, but setting that aside, am I insane? Like, should the Houston Texans front office be arrested? If they don't draft a quarterback, why, why would you waste this opportunity to draft a quarterback if you're the Houston Texans and you are looking to still fill that role that the Sean Watson left? Yeah, I hear you, man. I mean, I would take stride, I would take stride at number two. There's some concern with him, you know, the, the cognition test came back and

he had the worst score of all the quarterbacks. He's always had a great supporting cast. Like if you're, if you're the guy who was pounding the table saying, let's not take a quarterback, you're, you're looking at these things. Um, but I mean, find me a, find me a better tape than Stroud versus Georgia. I mean, that's an NFL defense and what he did, he just ripped them apart. He almost ended the Georgia run. Um, and, and I just think he's the best pure pocket pastor in the class.

Like, here's the thing, you got all these picks, right? You're picking at two, you're picking at 12. You've got like 11 picks, I think in the, in total this year, how do you walk into training camp and say, all right, we feel great. You know, we've, we've got all these really good players who're going to help us, their foundation pieces, you know, to me, go, Ryan's was part of San Francisco where they built it on defense, but look at our quarterback road. We've got Davis Mills and Kase Keenum as, as our top two quarterbacks.

So if it's not two, they still pick at 12 again. And I've heard maybe Hinden Hooker from Tennessee is a possibility. Um, I, I haven't heard anything about, about Anthony Richardson from Florida, but I do think he'll be available at 12. So it'll be interesting to see if they say, you know what, we can't get an edge like Tyree Wilson from Texas Tech or Will Anderson from Bama at 12, but we can get a quarterback. So maybe that's the route they're looking into.

Um, but if they exit this draft without utilizing one of those two picks on a quarterback, it's going to be hard to sit and listen, it's not about the fans. It's not about the, you know, the luxury boxes and all that, but it's going to be hard to sell this team to Houston fans, you know, moving forward. And yeah, everyone says, well, next year, Caleb Williams is a star. He would be the first overall pick in this year's draft coming out of us C Heisman Trophy winner. Uh, looks like my home's out there.

Um, Drake May from UNC loaded with talent. So yes, there are a couple of quarterbacks that you can already see early next year. And if they don't draft a quarterback this year, maybe Houston will be drafting up there, but you can't count on it. Right. Like a lot can happen. One of those guys can get an injury. You can win five or six games by accident and wind up picking four for

fifth and the top two teams need a quarterback. So that to me is not a plan. That's a hope and hopes get you fired in this business. Yeah, it makes, it makes no sense to me. You are in a position where you're picking number two. There's some good quarterbacks or at least some quarterbacks that people who are smarter than me, such as yourself have told me project to be good quarterbacks at the NFL level.

You're not going to, are you banking all your efforts on like finishing? Dead last next year? Cause they couldn't even do that this year. They screwed that up even in the season. It just seems like it'd be insane if they didn't use a first round pick on a quarterback. Yeah. And I think that's the, and it'll be interesting to see because you got to remember like the information that's leaking out of Houston, A, is it real?

Right. You know, I don't know what they're, everyone knows that, that Bryce Jones is going to be the first overall pick to the Carolina Panthers. That's, that's dumb, you know, but they're trying to keep it quiet. Roger Goodell wants a good TV show for, for ESPN, ABC and NFL network on, on Thursday night, but that's done. So what is by, by putting information out there about Tyree Wilson and, and, and will Anderson, I love both players, but I don't know if there's a team that

you're trying to entice to move up to go get those guys because they're scared they're going to be gone. Cause if you take Will Anderson and Tyree is going to be available and Zach Carter is going to be available, a defensive tackle on, you know, and so on and so forth. So I, I just, I'll be surprised, but it will be interesting because yes, information is leaking out of there. Is it real information?

Nick Casario is like a CIA agent, you know, he worked under Belichick and so like, I don't know, but last year we, we had no idea it was Derek Stingley until about a week before and they were sending guys down there to see Stingley. And remember they took Stingley ahead of the defensive rookie of the year and sauce guard. And so the information did come out of Houston. It was very late, almost like this. So we'll, we'll see what happens, but ownership too.

Like the McNayers have to at some point get in and say, you know, there's, there's been a lot of rumors about Casario, the GM not being here in a long time. So maybe it's, it's ownership that steps in and says, you know what? Don't care how the board lines up. Don't care about your thinking. This organization needs a quarterback. So that, that could be the wild Carter. Yeah.

So you said something interesting there. Anthony Richardson could potentially be available at 12. How is this, how, what are you hearing in terms of how it's going to play out? Because I would have assumed that with the Seahawks, maybe obviously the Colts are going to have quarterback Seahawks, maybe Raiders, like 10, the Titans at 11, what would you say the latest that one of these guys is going to end up falling to when you're talking about Levis Richardson, CJ Stroud, Bryce Young going one, no matter what.

Yeah, Richardson has the fewest teams that I'm aware of that have, that has been linked to, let's put it that way. We know Bryce Young is going one, right? CJ Stroud, if it's not two, I don't think it's going to be four. Indianapolis four is the next team that needs a quarterback, assuming no one trades up and they've been linked heavily. Like, I think that's real with Will Levis. I think that's their guy.

Right. Now, excuse me, that wasn't, that wasn't necessarily, all the information about Levis was there when Stroud was rumored to be the pick. But I still, all the information I'm getting is that Will Levis is going to go four. So if that's the case, now you've got two quarterbacks off the board and Stroud's still sitting there. Five, I've heard Seattle is, you know, everyone's going to tell you this week

that Seattle's not in the quarterback market. And I don't know if it's going to be at five, but I'm told there's a very strong chance that they exit round one with a quarterback. Now, it could be five, it could be 20. It could be them moving from 20 back up to get a guy who starts to fall. I've heard with Seattle, Stroud's a possibility because he's young. And whether it's Stroud or Anthony Richardson, and I've heard Richardson there, but that's about the only team that I've heard of Richardson.

Like all these guys have been linked to different teams. Richardson's has got a little love in Seattle, but I've not heard many other teams with them. But with Seattle's going to take a guy, it makes sense because Stroud's going to be 21 before the, before the, he turns 21, I think in season or in Richardson. They're both going to be 21 as well. Richardson and Stroud. So if you've got Gino, you're at least going to sit him for a year, right?

So you want a young quarter. You don't want Hendon Hooker, who's going to be 26 next January. You don't want Will Leviss, who's going to be 25 by the second season. So you'd rather a younger quarterback. But if it goes young one, Leviss, four, maybe Stroud, five or six to Seattle or Detroit, then all of a sudden Anthony Richardson's the fourth guy up. And I've heard, I've heard Houston has interest in Hendon Hooker, possibly at 12. And in the, sorry, Tennessee is picking at 11.

I've heard has some interest in Hendon Hooker as well. They can't move up to go get their guys. So it'll be, Richardson could be in for a little bit of a fall. I mean, because you get past 11, who's taking a quarterback? Washington apparently is happy with the situation at 16. I don't understand how they are, but they are. And then Tampa Bay's at 19 and Seattle's at 20. Minnesota's at 23.

So it could be a little bit of a long night for Anthony Richardson, assuming a team like Minnesota from 23 or Seattle from 20, don't move up to get them somewhere in the teams. Okay. Interesting. That's, that's, I mean, the fault, that's kind of like how the draft, the drama of it is, which guy's going to fall. What's the chaos pick?

Is it the Cardinals trading or is it the Texans not taking CJ Stroud? Like, what's the domino that you'll be like, Oh, wow, this is everything we thought was going to happen is now out the window. Yeah. I think Houston, I mean, the draft starts at Houston. That's the biggest question. I mean, filling out a mock draft is a freaking nightmare right now. Like, I'm just hoping I get something from like, I'm call, I call

chef yesterday, I call seven GMs and top scouts over the weekend. Like it's this weekend is usually the weekend you get the most information. And the information I had coming into the weekend is basically the same as what I exited, nobody truly knows at number two. I'll say this, like, yeah, Arizona, Arizona's borderline desperate to move out, everyone in the league knows it. I think they want to move back and take an offensive lineman at a better value and get more picks because they, they arguably have the worst roster in the

league, right? So, so Arizona moving out. Yes, it would, it would be a domino, but, but I don't think it necessarily would be a shock where I think things are going to be interesting on a couple fronts. I think five and six are the most intriguing picks because Seattle's sitting there and Detroit's sitting. And for a while now, everyone's saying, I don't, you know, they showed a lot

of interest in the quarterbacks. I don't know that they're going to take them, but if Stroud's sitting there and if rich, there's a little love for Richardson, I think both of those organizations are willing to, and remember both organizations, Seattle and Detroit have second picks in the first round. Seattle at 20 Detroit, a couple of picks earlier at 18. So they have the leeway of saying, you know, we're not planning on picking this high again, let's get a young sheet quarterback trying to develop them.

And let's go get a really good player at 18 or 20. The other part two at five and six, that's where Jalen Carter arguably the best player in this draft. I would say from talent standpoint, my tape study, he's the best player in the draft, but you're dealing with a lot of immaturity. A guy who's not a self starter and doesn't handle hard coaching. Well, if you're not going to start yourself and you're going to push back on hard coaching, where's the motivation coming from to get better and to be consistent?

So I think Jalen Carter, if he doesn't go five, six, and I'm being told there's a real likelihood he doesn't. I don't think he goes seven to the Raiders. He's not going eight to Atlanta. Jalen Carter, the best player in this draft could go number nine to Chicago. And Chicago, remember, had the first overall pick. They got DJ Moore, a number one wide receiver. They got additional picks from Carolina and could still get the best

player in this draft and Jalen Carter, if he suits tonight. That's, that's crazy. And yeah, I've, I've heard a lot of people say that he is the best physical player in the NFL, but you mentioned like he doesn't take hard coaching. Well, is that, is that Kirby? Is that people at Georgia that are actually saying like they're not giving the most glowing reviews to their own guy? I have seven different, I've got a one page of seven different sources I've

talked to and I, and I started it. I had about five in shoot in December and it includes quotes from the coaching staff. Yes. Um, let's just put it this way. As good as Jalen Carter was, and as important as he was in his last two years winning, winning national championships, I don't think there are a lot of people in Athens that are, that are crying that the Jalen car is leaving town. You know, I think he's been a lot, a lot to handle.

And I'm not saying anything that everyone in the league isn't saying that hasn't been reported. Like I'm just, I'm just giving the information as to why, and I'm not, I'm not here to bash young men. And I, I, I'm hopeful for all of these guys, as long as it's not like domestic abuse or something horrible. Um, but there's some, you've got to have a strong veteran presence in that defensive line room and you've got to have a lot of good leadership on the

defensive side. If you're going to be comfortable bringing in Jalen Carter, because he's got to, he's got to be motivated from teammates, I think to, to, in order to get him to play at the level he needs to play at, and that you would expect him to play at as a top 10 pit. Alright, well, we'll have a, we'll have a source off here because your sources are telling you some things. I've got a source that was giving me some information about a top 10 pick.

Will Levis, my source told me, uh, that that video of Will Levis throwing the ball into the uprights from his knees from the 50 yard line is pretty fucking sweet. And then a team should actually go up to draft them because of how sweet that video is. So like we're, we're stupid fans and we watch, we see a video like that and we're like, oh man, that's awesome. That rocks.

Are there any GMs or any, um, maybe owners, anybody in very important decision making processes in the league, that would be liable to see a video as, as dumb as that is and be like, I got to have this guy. Did you see that video? No, no, but, but it was pretty sweet. I'll give you that. I kidding. He hit that.

I saw one of them where he hit the goalposts from like 50 yards out on his knees. Yeah, I hit the actual goal post and call it a shot. Like that's, that's hard to do. But remember, Jamarcus Russell fooled us all doing the same shit. It, I'll get, I'll get fooled every year with that. Like just show me those videos. I'm like, yup, that guy's awesome.

Uh, I, I was listening to something, uh, I think it was the podcast you do with Kuiper and Field Yates a couple of weeks ago. You mentioned something. It was kind of an offhand, you know, thing you threw out there that people think Ohio State's 40 yard dash at pro days is actually 38 and a half yards. How do they get away with that? And what other schools are there things like that where it's like here, you know, watch the tape, the pro day is not as important because you were, you

were expounding on it and basically saying the private workouts is actually what, what teams really trust. It's not the pro day. Yeah, it's kind of a running joke in the league that the turf is very fast in Ohio State was the, was the point of it. And then the running joke is they run the 40 yard, they run a 38 yard dash for the 40 in Columbus. If you go back and look at all the numbers, you know, all the wide receivers,

you know, even like Paris Campbell and guys, you wouldn't expect they're running in the four threes and low four fours. It's pretty amazing. But should be told, I do think the, the turf is fast, but they also have unbelievable strength and condition. Like those guys, those receivers run, run great time. Like Garrett and a lot of a year ago, you know, uh, Gary Wilson and who was the offensive rookie of the year for the Jets and a lot of they had a great

year as a rookie, they both ran it in Indy. Indy's becoming like a 39 yard 40, by the way. I mean, we have defensive linemen. I mentioned Nolan Smith running a 4, 3, 9 as an edge rusher. Yeah, we had, we had defensive linemen running consistently in the four fours and low four fives. Indy used to be a notoriously slow track. And now it's gotten so fast with the new turf that they're, the agents are

telling their guys like, run here, right? We're running, you know, you could have a windy day in, in Manhattan, Kansas, or, you know, anywhere, whatever your pro day is, but make sure you, you run at the compound. So listen, it was a long standing joke about Ohio State, but, um, but yes, like the importance of, like the pro days are cute. They're fun. They're like, it's good for TB.

You get to see guys throw, throw the ball. And, you know, this year, the trend was, was throwing it up against, you know, hitting the top of the indoor facility last year. It was, last year it was rolling your left and throwing against your body. Zach Wilson, you know, went viral with his, his throw and everyone tried to kind of copycat that, but, but ultimately if I'm an NFL team and I know NFL teams are like, they put a lot more emphasis on their private workouts cause they're, they're making sure they're running their route tree.

They're installing certain plays. They want to see how quarterbacks react mentally as much as physically. So that's, that's the background on it. Another little hack that some scouts could use is, um, we've been staying on the show for a couple of years and we, we were lucky enough to talk to Kirk Goldsberry's coach at the art, his class at the university of Texas. And, um, they had a scout there from the San Antonio spurs. And we've been saying for years that you need to measure a person's height

up to their eyes because the rest of the forehead doesn't matter. That's wasted space, uh, from that point up. Because who cares? Quarterbacks got a tall like forehead that that, well, I guess Peyton Manning throws off those numbers, but the point is get it up to their eyes because that's what really matters as we see from, and the guy from the spurs said, yeah, actually last year we started to do that. So some pro teams are actually just going up to the eyes.

That needs to make its way to the NFL. I'm writing it down. I'm putting my notes next year. Oh, yeah, measure the game. Yeah. So, uh, measure to eyes. Yeah. Hi.

Kyler Murray, Kyler Murray's got tall eyes. Yeah. He's got, he's short, but his eyes are almost at the top of his head. So he has a short forehead. Is that short? Yeah. Yeah. Exactly.

Exactly. All right. Speaking of height, I'm curious because we've seen the evolution of the quarterback position, uh, you know, Drew Brees, shorter than, you know, Kyler, Russell Wilson, now we're sitting here and you go way, you know, 20 years ago or 30 years ago, Doug Flutey can't get a permanent job on the NFL roster. And he, you know, in today's age, it feels like he would. Is Bryce Young, is his success going to make it so that we push this even

further? Cause he is an anomaly. Is he not like in terms of just frame and body size? Yeah. He's like a half inch shorter than, than Russell Wilson. And that was like the big deal. Russell felt on the third round, right? So it comes into the first overall pick.

So it shows how much the game has changed since Russell Wilson. Right. And that wasn't that long ago, right? Right. Like he literally a third round pick. And now, and, and, uh, Scott Fitter of the GM was on that, on that staff in Seattle when they picked Russell Wilson. And I truly believe part of the comfort level is like, we did it with Russell.

We did it in third round. Why can't, why can't Bryce do it? The game has changed. It's so much more spread out. Quarterbacks are being more protected. Um, and, and the biggest thing is with Bryce, like he just, he processes faster than any quarterback I can remember coming out of college. Like he just, and it's not just like one to two to three with his progressions.

It's like, and Kurt Curbshire, I'll give him credit. He was the first one to say this. It's like watching Steph Curry. It's like, when chaos is happening and everything, it's like, that's when it slows down for Bryce and when it slows down for Steph. And you see Steph with like all these moves, like everything's going so fast. And it's just like slows down, makes the past stops and drops for like, that's the same thing with Bryce.

And I think that's what makes him different than everyone in this class. But I think in terms of like what, what it will do, more importantly, for guys that are able to protect themselves. And yeah, he missed the game last year. He had a shoulder injury. He wasn't able to throw the ball for three weeks in practice. So they had a bye week and that kind of freed them up. But, um, but other than that, he was durable at Alabama.

And I think what you have to study is how guys protect themselves, how they get out of the way of big hits, how they fall. You know, that's what you were talking about. I was doing with a jiu-jitsu, I guess right now, trying to figure out how to fall, how to take a hit and where, how, how your body is going to, you know, is going to absorb contact better. And so I think to me, it's as much about the weight, you know, he was at 204, but he's probably going to play at 195.

Can he actually stay healthy and on the field is going to be the big question. And if he does, then we're all going to study what, what has he done? How is he's able to do that? And for other guys that are coming up the ranks, do they have that same, you know, do they have the same field vision? Do they have the same maneuverability, the same flexibility that he has? Those are the things that are going to be interesting. He's definitely a case study in and of his own, if you will.

Yeah. Because yeah, we've had shorter guys before in recent years, Russell being the, you know, the closest thing to, but we've never had a quarterback, especially going number one overall, never had a quarterback this short. And this lean, um, that, that's gone on to have success. And we've never had one drafted this high too. Yeah. Yeah, it'll be interesting.

Uh, you, you are a veteran of the mock draft game, one of the legends, one of the goats. Do you have a favorite mock draft that you've ever done or your best mock draft that you ever put together? Do you remember like everything falling into line? You're like, yep. That's a plus for Todd. Oh, geez.

I forget the year. I've got the first eight picks right now. I was like, I am rolling man. And it was like one of my, it was like my second or third year. I wasn't even on TV. Unfortunately, I couldn't brag to anyone. No, I'm one of the lists and no one, no one cared nothing. Anyone really cares now.

But I got the first eight picks, right? I was like, shit, this is easy, man. Like what, what's everyone's so worked up about just eight in a row. It was like 2002, 2003. Since there, then it's been kind of downhill. You know, you should do, you should do like, you know, Warren Buffett every year. He says he'll give a million dollars. If anybody gets the entire term, correct?

You should do like when Todd's millions. Todd McShay will award a million dollars. If your mock draft gets all 32 picks, correct. Yeah. So I'll never have to pay that. Right. Yeah. That's, that's the trick.

I'll match. Yeah. I'll match. I'll double it, Todd. Yeah. I'm going to double it three or four years ago. I think I had like 12 guys matched perfectly to player to that team. And that, and I was better than everyone might buy a long shot.

But I still, it was basically a third of the third of the first round pick. So yeah, I will, I'll do it right now. I will do it right now. I will offer $1 million cash. I don't have it sitting around, but I'll come up with it. One off to sell a house or something. $1 million cash right now to anyone that can prove that turns it in. Somehow can give video evidence that they got all 32 picks.

Right. I will give $1 million. I love it. I love it. I'm going to double it. Yeah. And big cats going to match. I'm going to match.

I will match. But you have to submit it before the draft. If you submit something that's like video evidence, if you're holding a newspaper or whatever afterwards. No, no, no, no, it has to be, I have to lay. You guys have like an email where people can submit them to. This is a bad idea for the for the email. You notice I don't, they're not sending it to my email.

Yeah, yeah. I think it was at Billy Hot Takes or Billy, what's Billy's email address? Yeah, sure. Billy Hot Takes. It has to be submitted to him. Otherwise it won't be eligible. It's not official. It's not official unless it's submitted to Billy before the draft

and you can only get one submission. And do we trust Billy? No, that's the best part. We can just be like, oh, he never got anything. So we don't have to pay any money. We're going to find out that Billy, Billy's uncle, wound up getting a perfect mock draft. Yeah, right.

Oh, yeah, that's true. Has anyone speaking of past mock drafts, has any player ever come up to you like in person and talk shit and been like, you were wrong? Like, look at how good I am. Not in mock drafts. I've had, I've had plenty of guys come up. I mean, it was Brady Quinn's sister tried to try to want to, said she wanted to slap me while we're in the red carpet.

Yeah, it's the Espe awards one year. I mean, I've got a whole list. I've got a whole list of guys that have typically it was when they would come to Bristol for their car wash day. Yeah. And either the agent or the player would say something. See my we're doing this zoom on my phone. I've got a list on my phone.

But yeah, Brady Quinn was not pleased. It's not Brady Quinn's contingent was up with it. Jimmy Klosson was not pleased. Yeah, I'm still waiting for Kuiper to retire. Yeah, he did not. Yeah, you know what? We won't give the million dollars if anyone gets perfect until Kuiper retires. That's also part of this deal.

Okay. Yeah. All right. Because he has to, he has to, he said, what was the exact quote? Jimmy Klosson will be like a 10 year starter or something. Todd, I promise you, I promise you. You can mark it down right now. If Jimmy Klosson doesn't go on to have a very successful year,

a successful career as a starter in the NFL, I will retire. He's still waiting for a baby. He didn't say what year he would retire. Yeah, yeah. Smart guy. Would you consider yourself to be a draft expert or a draft guru? Analyst at best. How do you how do you attain the rank of guru?

I think 30 years. And you got to win the mock draft like one out of every three years, probably something like that. I don't know. I have not, I have not reached a status though. Okay, you got to give Kuiper guru. Yeah, he started the whole business. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's fair.

That's fair. Um, I saw Todd, you had a beautiful propaganda piece in the New York Post today being like, oh yeah, Joe Douglas and I are best friends, but we never talk. That was really smart of you to throw that out there. Get everyone off the scent. When is Aaron Rodgers going to be a jet? I'm going to guess. Oh yeah, I guess.

Go ahead. Yeah, do your guess. When is this running? When is this Wednesday? He will be a jet by Wednesday. Oh, so when this runs, when this runs, Aaron, the only thing I'll, the only thing that could take away from that is if they decide they want to announce with the 13th and 15th pick and, and I, I believe there's,

there's a chance as of, as of when we're taping this, there's a chance that they could swap 13 and 15. But I think when, whether the Packers are on the clock at 13 or the Jets are on the clock at 13, depending on how that goes, um, that's, that's when they could announce it. But by the time this airs on Wednesday, I will be shocked if the two teams have not agreed to terms on Aaron Rodgers going to New York Jets. I love it.

I love it. And that's Todd McShay, best friend of Joe Douglas. Yeah, you know, no, no, no, right, right, right. Read the New York Post. Never talks to them. They don't talk. Um, they're just talking in June when we try to get together over the summer. Right.

Yeah, right. Of course. Yeah. I don't talk to my best friends either. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, never. Honestly, I mean, so much can happen, but, but there's, there's confidence, there's confidence that it's going to get done.

Let's put it that way. I like that. I like I'm curious. Just, I like to assign like draft value for current players that are in the NFL right now. How much, how much would Zach Wilson be worth in a trade? Could, could you get a fifth round, sixth round, seventh round pick for him? Whoo.

Um, I will go fifth. Yeah. It's higher than I thought you'd say. Whoo. I'll go fifth round. I mean, it's only been two years. Um, injuries were part of the issue, but certainly there are other issues, um, but there's still talent there.

You know, I would, I would give a fifth, I would give a fifth to bring in Zach and give him a fresh start somewhere new. I would see how he handles Aaron Rodgers and how Aaron Rodgers handles him. Apparently they have a decent relationship and it could be the best thing that ever happened. So sit behind Aaron for two years and learn, learn a lot and, um, and take from him and see if he can rejuvenate his career in a couple of years. And if not, then, then it's time to move on.

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, he is bad, but his ceiling is back. That would be the one counterpoint. He's bad at playing quarterback, which is his job. Well, who would you rather have Zach? Well, or, uh, uh, Christian Hackenberg. I mean, obviously Zach Wilson.

Oh, there you go. Okay. All right. Nice. Yeah. I fell for the Hackenberg hype too. Him and Ryan Mallett, big 10 quarterbacks with huge arms. Yeah.

You just like big, big guys with big art. It worked for, it worked on Josh Allen though. Yeah. You keep swinging, man. Just take hats. Yeah. Yeah. We do, we just, we just only, uh, tell our winners, never our losers.

Uh, give us, give us a player that, uh, maybe the regular, you know, national audience won't know, but you love, uh, whether it be a first round or maybe someone's going to sneak into the first round, just a guy you love. You're, you're, you're, you're stamp, you're putting your foot in the, the line in the sand being like, this is my guy. I love collage, you can't see from, from Pittsburgh. Everyone's talking about Jaylen Carter and they should, and he's, if he turns out and plays at a level he can, he's going to be an absolute star.

But collage, you can't see, he's not Aaron Donald. It's easy to make that comparison. He's short. He's undersized. He ran slightly faster than Aaron Donald did and the four fives. I think it was just a ridiculous 40 time. Um, and he comes from Pittsburgh. So easy comparisons there, but he's just, he is the most disruptive player,

not named Jaylen Carter for interior defensive linemen. A lot of people are saying late first could be early second. I think he goes into top 20. So collage, you can't see is going to be an impact player and another player that I, that's catching steam recently talking, I talked to seven guys in the league over the weekend and I think six, five or six of them asked me about Jameer Gibbs, the running back from Alabama. And all the talk is about Bijan Robinson.

Where's he going to go? You know, could go number eight to Atlanta. We'll Philly move back a little bit and take him from that 10 spot, maybe down two, three, four spots. Could he go to Detroit at 18? Um, 21 to the chargers. Will Dallas move up from 26 to go get Bijan? All the talks on Bijan, right?

But there's going to be two running backs taken in the first round this year. So if you got one of those prop bets and it's one and a half, I believe. Take, take the over. It's going to be two in the first round. And Jameer Gibbs is an absolute stud. He's Alvin Kamara, right? You know, Dalvin Cook, but he's going to, yeah, he's going to get nicked up. He's not always going to be starting for you.

Maybe 14, 13, 14 games a year and maybe only 15, 17 touches a game. But he's so explosive that he's going to be worth it. Okay. Give me a mystery team. Is there a mystery team lurking out there that might move up and take a quarterback that we haven't even thought about? Oh, that's good. Um, I mentioned Seattle.

I don't, I don't think Minnesota is going to move up from 23. But I do think that they, I think that if, if Hennan Hooker falls to them at 23, they could try to think if there are any other mystery teams. I mean, Detroit would be, Detroit would be an option. If they don't take a quarterback at six from 18. I'm hearing they're very happy with Jerry Gother. Very, very happy. I'm also, I concur.

They are, they are, but yeah. But Jerry, but how long is your golf going to be their guy? And forever, if you have an opportunity to jump, maybe, maybe you take advantage of the sheep guy. Yeah. He's good. Yeah. They're going to bury him in Detroit.

All right. Yup. Take, take. Right on. Mike Posner. What about, um, uh, San Francisco? No, I mean, they, they brought in, they've got Brock Purdy, Tray Lance, I think is going to be moved, but everyone's saying in the draft of day two or whatever it is.

I don't think that they're going to move Tray Lance and still like the value is high. Like Tray Lance is going to miss some time this year coming off the injury. I would guess it's going to be like in season or maybe next off season. If they wind up moving Tray Lance and, um, they brought in Sam Darnold too. And I know everyone laughs at Sam Darnold. He's he'll be with his wife is 13 now, but Sam Darnold could listen. It doesn't take a ton of talent at the quarterback position. You've got all those weapons and all in that defense around you.

And you've got the coaching of Kyle Shanahan to have success in that scheme. So I, I think, I think Purdy and Sam Darnold are going to wind up being the guys this year. Yeah. I actually think this is the first year where, um, you know, that whenever the Ravens would draft, we would always say like, that's a great Ravens pick. The Ravens get another A plus in the first round of this draft. They just, yeah, because Hypers from Baltimore and these, you know, Ozzy, Ozzy used to be his best friend now, DeCosta, the new GM's his best friend.

There's a reason they get an A plus every year. Like they, they could go out and triple themselves. They could, they could miss a pick like Minnesota did 20 years ago. By the way, this is the 20 year anniversary of Minnesota, just not turning in a pick and Kyper would still give them an A plus. They're like, great job. Great job. Uh, Ozzy gave him the hard count right there.

Try to get him to jump off size. We'll take the five year ability. I think, I think the new team that does that is, uh, the 49ers. I think whoever the 49ers take in the first round this year, I'm going to be like, that's such a smart pick. Great job. Well, you'll be waiting a while because they don't pick in the first round. So there you go.

Okay. So we pick whenever they, whenever they make their first pick, I will be like, that is a perfect, perfect pick. Yeah. Yeah. I think they pick at 36. They've got three picks in the top 50. I think their first pick is at 36.

Okay. Um, I'm sick. That's why we have you all to tell you, to tell you all that inside info. We're going to be talking about pick 36 about it was the best pick so far in the draft. Yeah. Yeah. First round talent.

Yeah. Um, all right, Todd, I got one last question. This has been awesome. We appreciate it's a rowback question. RHOBACK.com use code take 20% off your first purchase. They got new shorts for the summer, Q zips, polos, joggers, everything at rowback.com promo code take for 20% off your first purchase. I have to ask, cause we have you on, are the bears going to trade out of nine?

Or if they don't, who should I be happy that they pick? I don't want them to take B. John Robinson. Um, what are you hearing? Just tell me. Okay. All right. So tell, tell me is it going to be scratchy?

Is it going to be trade? What, what's going to happen? I think there are three names you should know. I, I do think they would trade out if one of these guys is not a, you know, two or three of these guys are off the board, or if they just get a really good deal. I'm told that Pittsburgh's a team that's looking to move up to go into offensive linemen, but listen, they need defensive line and they need offensive line.

I think, I think if they get an option to move back, they possibly could, but I think Jalen Carter is, is option number one, the defensive tackle from George. If you get the most talented player at number nine, after trading out of that number one pick with DJ Moore and, and, and all the picks that they got, that's got to be a win, right? Yup. If it's not Carter, I'm actually told, like Sturansky makes sense. I get it.

I'm told Paris Johnson from Ohio State, the left tackle could be a right tackle is the guy that they're really looking at fits the traits that they want. And certainly, you know, if Justin Fields is going to be your guy moving forward, you've got to protect them better. They've got to have a better offensive line. They've got to block better in the run game. So I think it's most likely they stay home and it's either Jalen Carter or Paris Johnson, Jr. from Ohio State.

I think Sturansky is a possibility, but he would be third on that one. Okay. I feel good about it. The beauty of having a bad roster is any pick you can be like, well, that was neat. So it's great. I think they're going to turn things around pretty quickly. I do too.

They're back. I mean, I think Ryan Poles is doing a really good job. I think they, they finally have direction. Like they have a coaching staff that's working with their quarterback instead of against them. They have a general manager who gets it. I think that this, we're going to look back on this draft, getting a DJ more number one receiver, getting all these additional picks.

So let it find the offensive and defensive line as much as they can. This will be kind of the foundation here. I'm not saying they're going to have a Jets Hall or Seahawks Hall from 2022, but we'll look back on this draft and say, you know what? This helped help them get to the next level. Yes. I like to hear that. It's going to be like that.

Uh, the famous Steelers draft, whatever year that was where they got like five Hall of Famers. That's what's going to happen this year. Feels good. All right. Uh, I'm glad I could give you hope. Yeah. I appreciate it.

Well, Todd, thank you so much. Appreciate you, uh, stopping by. I did do my job. I texted you multiple times this year. I will do it again this year about who's going to be the Wisconsin coach. I, yeah, yeah. Well, you told me we have, we have a very, a very, um, defined relationship. What can I do for you?

Okay. I'm here. It's transactional. All right. So I'm going to start, I'm just going to start just popping off and sending you pictures of my kids that you just said, you, you got that. You got that. Also, I'm going to send you some coffee.

So boom. All right, I like that. I've started drinking coffee more this year and 46 years later, I was a diet, diet, Pepsi guy, Diet Coke. And then I learned aspartame. So I went to diet Pepsi, but now I can't get, I can't get past like seven a.m. without a cup of coffee. Yes.

I never used to drink it. We're, yeah, we're all right. I'm sending you coffee. I get it now. Yeah. It makes sense. I, uh, this morning I actually made my pot of coffee, went to go pour it, just didn't put any of the coffee grounds in.

So you need it. You need the stuff. Yeah. Yeah. It was just a play. It was just hot water sitting in the pot. And I was like, God damn it. Um, all right.

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That's BetterHELP.com slash PMT. And now here's Daniel Jeremiah and now for something completely different. OK, we now welcome on our good friend. He is a draft guru. Well, actually, we can start there. It's Daniel Jeremiah, NFL Network, Move the Sticks podcast. We have Todd McShay on this episode as well. We're doing all the draft talk.

I think PFT asked Todd McShay if he's a draft guru or what was the other option? Guru, expert or analyst. Yeah. So which one are you? Yeah, analyst, easy answer. Guru is kind of gross. Like that just that sounds kind of gross. Expert, expert is arrogant. And then analyst seems that seems accurate.

Yeah. Yeah. With the Dalai Lama, he kind of ruined the term guru recently. You don't want to be tied up in any of that stuff. But yeah, I think Todd said the same thing. I think he said analyst. And really, that's actually a very philosophical question because because you acknowledge that you're not a guru, that might make you the truest guru of them all.

Oh, yeah. That's that's like going three levels deeper than I was able to get. Yes. That's solid. Yeah. So it is draft week. We're diving into all the draft coverage. We've had extensive conversations with a couple of people, but we want to get you on, see what your thought of everything is. So let's start big picture right now.

We're sitting here. It's Tuesday, two days away. Has there been anything big that you've heard movement wise in the last 24 hours that is surprising you, whether it be a quarterback, whether it be Jalen Carter, there's a lot of different angles on this draft. I think I've never seen so much conflicting information like, you know, you talk to a lot of general managers,

you talk to a lot of teams, you get in touch with the agency, what they're hearing about their guys, all this kind of stuff. And it's just all over the place. So I think that's going to make for a good draft because we literally have no idea what's going to go on. But like just some of the stuff in the last 24 hours, I think Zayn Flowers from Boston College can be the first receiver picked ahead of Jackson Smith and Chigba,

which I think would surprise a lot of people. You know, that was one. Jalen Carter, I literally had one GM text me and said, Schneider will not be afraid to take Jalen Carter at five. And literally within 24 hours, another GM said, there's no way that Schneider is going to take Jalen Carter at five. And I'm like, what do I do with that? So, yeah, there's it's all up in the air.

And then the quarterback thing, I feel like Bryce is going one. And then after that, you know, all the all the noise away from Stroud at two. I on that one, I'm just going to kind of trust my gut and go back to what makes the most logical sense. And I'm just going to put Stroud to Houston. That that does make sense. We've had that same thought. So I do want to talk about Jalen Carter real quick,

because there is a lot of intrigue with him. The off the field stuff that everyone knows about I. So from a, if you're sitting in a war room because you were a scout, forget the off the field stuff. His talent is immense. He's probably the most talented guy in the draft. But I have also heard like the whole he's not a self starter. It's, you know, the motivation things.

How much does that play in when you're sitting in a war room and you're talking about this and how much that scare you off? Such a great talent like that. Yeah, I mean, it's interesting because you hear that and I've heard that about, you know, does he like football is, you know, the effort and all that kind of stuff wrapped up with all the off the field things. And I went back through my notes. I'm like, OK, where do I have that he was low finger dogging it?

I'm like, I don't I don't have anything like that. And then I'm like, OK, well, this guy knew if he didn't play it down this year, he was going to be a top five pick. He gets he gets hurt the first week of the season with an ankle comes back and plays then gets a knee and then came back and played at the end of the year. So I'm like, there's a lot of evidence saying this guy likes football and cares about it and plays hard and he's a dominant player. Like I'm 100 percent comfortable with who he is a football player.

It's just, you know, whether you get to know him personally and feel like you can, you know, now feel good about where he is in other areas of his life. But the football for me, I didn't have any questions. I like that answer because we I think that there's been now a a story written about Jalen Carter and like that he's not loving football, but you're telling me the tape that you watch and the fact he's playing with injuries, it's completely contrary to what the popular belief has become. And, you know, look, in practice, maybe it's a little bit different.

I talked to a coach on their staff, but and I asked him specifically about this and he was like, look, the days that he really wanted to go, he said, we couldn't do anything offensively. Like they go ones against ones. They go best guys against best guys. Like we couldn't do anything like that's how dominant of a football player he was. So maybe maybe that reputation is born out of maybe a practice here or there. But everything I saw on the on the game tape, I didn't see any evidence of that.

It's also hard for big guys to practice just in general. You know, you know what it is? Yeah, question. It's the anonymous scout. Yeah, there's an anonymous scout on the loose. I feel like it's been a few years since we had a good anonymous scout just blowing up somebody's reputation before the draft. And it's probably just leaked out there hoping that Jalen Carter will fall a couple of spots further than, you know, there's one team

that's like, we just got to get past Seattle and then we're going to step up and grab them. So whenever I hear all that stuff, like that's anonymous coming up before the draft, I I always assume it's just like a GM trying to put out a smokescreen. That's my favorite thing about the anonymous scout thing is when I was in the league, it used to be, you know, because in seeing it from the media side of things, they always say, hey, if you can't identify the person, like, let's just get as much information out there as you can. So like, say I'm working in Baltimore,

you a report would come out an anonymous AFC North scout. And you're like, oh, crap, they're going to think it's me. I promise it wasn't me. You know, we text all our buddies with the Steelers and the Bengals and the Browns. Well, maybe not the Bengals, because they only have a couple of scouts, but the rest of the three of us would text each other about like, oh, oh, it's you, huh? You're the anonymous guy. Do you think you got your reputation as being a great talent evaluator

because Mel Kuiper is a Baltimore Ravens fan. So after every draft, he would be like, man, the Ravens really killed this one. And you'd be like, yeah, yeah, we did. Great job. Awesome. Yeah. The Baltimore ties. No, I think it worked out well that we had a lot of good drafts and then Mel happened to be from Baltimore. So maybe he amplified the message.

That's why I would look at that one. So one last thing about Jalen Carter and this more like big picture when you're talking and you're analyzing these guys, is there something in the scout room in the water room where you say if a guy's so talented, yeah, maybe he doesn't try practice all the time. Like, is that okay? Because I feel like some of these guys, especially big guys, it's like, yeah, why do they have to go 100 all the time

when they can turn it on for game tape? They're not a guy who's trying to make a roster. They have that talent. They know when to push the pedal and when it's, you know, you know, hit the brakes. Yeah, it's a conversation we had in Baltimore with the Lody Nata because there was a lot of talk about him and you could see it with him on tape. And what people didn't realize is this is like the beginning of the

Oregon offense where they were running, you know, fast pace. So if people didn't pay attention to the fact that the Lody Nata was playing every snap, he's playing like 85 snaps at 340 pounds. And then, you know, you're in college where it's bubble screen right and left. He's having to chase those things all day long. And so, yeah, he's not going to be able to go. There's going to be plays where he just stands there and does nothing because the guy's tongue is at his waist.

So I think with big guys, you have to take that in. You have to factor that in. But the NFL practice, the other side of it, is NFL practice is a thousand times easier than a college practice. Yeah. Yeah. That's a good point. Interesting. You talked about CJ Stroud in the Texans a little bit earlier. There has been some movement this morning, though. Will Levis, in terms of the odds makers, he's gone way up in terms.

I think he's he's the favorite to be drafted second overall. I think he's like, I want to say it's like plus 600 or something like that. So Will Levis, something's happened in the last 12 hours where somebody has put some money on Will Levis to move up. Have you heard any of that at all? Do you think there's any credibility to that? I don't. To me, Indianapolis has been the team I've connected to him

and a lot of people believe it'll be Indianapolis with him. I would be shocked, stunned, astonished if the Texans took him at two. I don't see that happening. That would blow my mind if they did that. And then at number one, I saw his odds went up there with number one. I mean, I felt like that's that decision feels like it's been made. So I don't see the one of those.

Not to me like Will Levis comes into play maybe at three. Maybe, you know, I know Arizona wants to trade out of three and everybody, you know, pegs the Colts is the Will Levis team. So maybe there's somebody likes Will Levis, you know, Tennessee, you know, somebody like that that wants to come up to three. But I can't see him going one or two. I've got the numbers right in front of me right now. He went from 50 to one to five to one overnight to go second overall.

Yeah, that's that's a crazy movement at the last second here. Yeah. And to me, I think that would the way that would happen would be if there was a trade. I did not think Houston takes him to. So if somebody wants to come up and Houston goes back, then Levis goes to. But that's that's the only way I see that happening. So dovetailing off that is we talked to Todd about this. And I'm of the mindset that the Texans would be insane

to not draft a quarterback with a high pick this year. In the, you know, if they do move back, maybe they still move back in the top 10, top seven, and they end up getting a quarterback that way. But would am I wrong to think that it's totally nuts to not take a quarterback if you have the opportunity to draft second overall and you're the Houston Texans? I've been singing it from the mountain tops. It doesn't make any sense to me logically. And that's why I can hear all the buzz and all the chatter and, you know,

people swearing that they're not going to take stroud. And I just keep coming back to the same three names. Like, you're really going to run this back with Davis Mills, Case Keenum and E.J. Perry, like you're ushered in a new coach. You're trying to get some excitement in the organization, the fan base. I've been there a couple of times with the chargers the last few years, and it's not a great game day atmosphere right now. And it used to be awesome when they were rolling.

It used to be a great place. Now it was just kind of there was no life in the building. Yeah. And the way you do that is you get you get a young quarterback and you give a team and a fan base some hope. And I don't know the whole like, well, we'll just we'll take somebody at two and then we'll take we'll wait for a quarterback at twelve or maybe we'll trade back up like getting cute. People always talk about that stuff.

It never happens. Like if you believe in Daniel Jones at 17, you end up taking him at six. You know, like that's the way that usually goes down. So I would say it doesn't make any logical sense for me for them not to take a quarterback at two. What? How do you have your quarterbacks ranked top five? So I have. Yeah, I have it. If you looked at it kind of like tears, I have Bryce by himself.

I thought he was clearly the best one. A little bit of a gap then shroud and then then a gap again. And I think it's it's literally a coin flip with with Levison Richardson. I think they're both wild cards. I think, you know, the odds are one of them probably ended up being really good and one of them is going to be a bust. And I don't have a strong belief or feeling in in that either way. Probably going to be dependent on where they go.

But to me, I thought the number one and number two, I thought there was a clear, clear cut one and two. Just from like an analysis standpoint, what would be the breakdown of on field play versus ceiling? Like that's that's kind of what the discussion comes down to with Will and Anthony Richardson is the the tantalizing ceiling versus what we saw them do on Saturday. So how do you guys judge that in the room?

Well, I think about it just like it's a journey of where they could ultimately get. And so you have to you have to be able to decide where they are, have the discussion about where they are now and then how far they have to go and how far they can go. So I think it's a pretty it's a pretty fluid conversation. And when you're going through that, I just think the way I'd explain is Will Levist further, he's further along in his journey than Anthony Richardson, but he doesn't have as far to go.

I mean, Anthony Richardson could go way past Will Levist. There's so much more there with him. To be honest, if Anthony Richardson had the same exact tape, but had played 23 games instead of 13 games, I probably would have that flipped. But the the sample size to me is is is what bothers me because the track record of guys with that limited number of starts is not great. That's what scares me about Anthony more than anything that I saw on the tape. Yeah. Yeah. If if a quarterback or player in general, you could say like has

all the traits and they check all the boxes, but they're they're a little bit raw and you need them to develop at the next level. Are there any traits that you look for that you would say, OK, this guy, he's got what it takes to continue to mature like the mental side of his game. Yeah, I think that's the key. So if you look at guys that came out that were raw coming out of college that weren't finished products, the recent guys that have been big hits, everybody's going to point to Mahomes and to Josh Allen.

And those guys had work to do to continue to develop. Mahomes was just raw. And it was like screens and scrambles of Texas Tech, obviously the huge arm, but just kind of dialing in his footwork a little bit. And Josh, you know, had to clean some things up. He's kind of overstriding, which impacted his accuracy. He was too aggressive because his team wasn't any good. So he got into some bad habits there.

But the thing those guys that the lesson you take from it is those guys are both incredibly smart, their work ethic was like off the charts coming out. And they were you just bet on those guys. So if you have all the talent and then you're intelligent and you have the work ethic to go along with it, that makes it a lot easier to bet on those guys. That's why it's hard on this side of it. You know, with Anthony Richardson, I've heard it's good. I've heard he's smart.

I've heard he's a good worker. But teams that get to spend a lot of time with him are going to have an even better feel on that. And I think that's where your conviction comes from. Billy's got a question, a rare Billy question. I was just wondering, what's your opinion on going from the Wonderlick to this new S2 cognition test? Bryce Young scored amazingly on it.

What do you know about the test and why have teams gone to this new cognition test? Good question. Yeah, I had been talking about this over the summer because I love baseball. And I had heard talking to some of my buddies, actually a GM in baseball, was telling me about how they've done this test for a long time and wanted to know if it was starting to catch on in the end. I felt I'd literally never heard of it as of this summer.

So he was explaining it to me and it made, he said, look, it's been very accurate with baseball because if you think about how fast you have to process, you know, the release point, the spin, you know, the location of a pitch like I can't imagine how fast you must think in process to hit a 98 mile an hour baseball. So it had been a big part of their scouting process. And then I then in talking to some NFL teams, I found out, OK, yeah, there's there's, you know, there's I think half the league has been using this

for the last five or seven years or so. And they're still in the process of trying to get enough data to know what, you know, what positions it matters and the relevance of it. But it seemed to be over the summer, they were saying that quarterback that there's been a correlation between how they do on this S2 test and how they do in the NFL. And they said the way it was explained to me, there's guys that have scored really well on it and have been bad players.

But there haven't been players that have bombed it and been good players. So it was kind of like a gateway to kind of through the evaluation process. So that's how I understood it. And the way it was explained to me was it's like on a computer and there's all these different areas that they, you know, that they try and evaluate you. One of the explanations was you might have six shapes that pop up on the screen and one of them is different.

Like how fast can you identify the different shape, things like that. It was enough to scare me off of ever wanting to take it. I can tell you that much. I would love to get my hands on that, actually. I would like to put Hank through the S2 cognition test, if you could. If you work for S2, get in touch with us. We'd like to do business with you. So do you think CJ Stroud's 18 out of 100 isn't going to affect his draft stock at all?

You know, that was something I think with the teams that have all the historical information would have a better answer for you on that one. I just know, you know, I always looked at like tests with whether it used to be the Wonderlick or whether it was the athletic tests. I wanted to see something that was different than what I saw on the tape. And then that would allow you to do more work. That's the way I always looked at that. But like when I watch Stroud, I go back through my notes.

I didn't have any questions about him processing. I didn't have any questions about him getting stuck. You know, you see some guys, you can literally see it. It's like they're frozen. Like they'll get through number one in their progression. And then they're just he's not there and you'll see him freeze and they're stuck. I didn't have any notes like that. So it would have been more personally to me if you heard, OK, he had done poorly

on one of these things. And then, oh, gosh, well, that matches up with that one little question that I had on him. That would be that would be a red flag. But I didn't I didn't have that. What about some of the non-quarterbacks? What about the tight end position? Because we've heard about Dalton Kincaid, right?

And he's the presumed first tight end taken. But I've also heard and this might be a gambling thing, but Mayer has been moving up. Well, I like I've had Kincaid as my top guy just because of, you know, where you where you put your value in the tight end position. Like to me, I'm going to lean more towards the guy who can make plays. Somebody is going to be a little bit more friendly in the passing game. And I'll sacrifice a little bit of the run game stuff. Mayer is a better in line blocker than him.

He's just more physical. So he's more of a traditional, you know, why tight end hand in the ground, old school tight end, and he's going to fit every team. Like every team in the NFL can use Michael Mayer and he'll be able to play and have a nice solid career. I think with Kincaid, you just get way more upside in the past game and you live with him as a run blocker. But, you know, the way the game set up right now,

I want my tight end to be more of a friend of the quarterback than the running back. How much does a conference matter when you're analyzing these guys? Because Texas Tech obviously has a defensive player that is mocked to go as high as three. Some people are saying, and Tyree Wilson or even two with D'Amico, Ryan's, you know, he fits him. McShay was saying kind of the bossam mold. But it has been, I believe it was like nine years since the last time

a top 10, big 12 defensive player has been selected. Justin Gilbert, who wasn't good in the NFL. So does that does that weigh into it at all where you're like, hey, big 12 just doesn't produce top end defensive talent. Why are we overthinking this and taking a guy who plays in the big 12? I think it does. I think teams are lying if they say it doesn't, you know, I thought you're going to go back to Zach Thomas to like the last Texas Tech

great defensive player. I'm sure there's somebody in between those two, but I can't think of it off my head. I like him a lot. I like him a lot as a player. But what I where I would say that school thing comes into play is if you're, you know, you give the same grade to Will Anderson as you gave to Tyree Wilson, and then you're in the room and somebody is a Tyree Wilson guy, and they're going to talk about how he's taller.

He's longer. He's a little, he's a little more athletic. And then my comeback in that room would be, yeah, I've seen Will Anderson play against NFL players for three years, and he's he's dominated in that conference. And literally you go back and you watch the cutups like last week, I went back and watched some of his production from previous years. And it was like, oh, yeah, there's Jamari Sawyer. He started like 14 games at Left Hackle in the NFL last year.

And it's just one player after another. You're like, oh, NFL player, NFL player. Like that has to factor in. I think it makes it the evaluation. I think you eliminate some of the some of the low end floor of a player when you see him play there and talking to baseball buddies on the baseball side of things, like the SEC baseball, they said it's like the equivalent of double a baseball.

Right. So they treat that totally different than if you're a player that's, you know, you're playing at some other college, some other conference. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. So I think you have to factor that. And I think you'd be dumb not to. What about so going off of that?

And we know we have all these like draft cliches, like the Steelers will always get great wide receivers. They seem to be able to nail that. What about the reverse? What schools are you like this position? They just do better than everyone else. We've heard a lot about Ohio State wide receivers and how they get coached up.

Is there a certain school or you could go conference where you're like, you know what, if we pick this guy at this position from this school or conference, there's a pretty good chance he'll be a good pro. I always felt in teams I work with, we always felt if you get guys that's offensive linemen that started in the big 10 for like, you know, 40 games, they might not ever be a great NFL player, but they're going to play because they're all going to be smart and tough.

And you can you can play with them. You know, they might not be elite players, but those guys hang around. They play for a decade. So big 10 offensive linemen has always been a thing. You go to tight ends like Iowa, you know, you get a tight end from Iowa. They've had a heck of a run at that position.

So that would be another one trying to think of who else, what other ones would be out there? You know, the interesting one is going through some of the notes getting ready for this draft like Penn State. I don't think they've ever had a corner drafted in the first round or it's been like a million years since they've had a corner drafted in the first round. So it kind of it does kind of work both ways

where you see some trends, you know, USC has been actually a wide receiver school over the last, you know, 15 years or so. They've had a ton of wide outs. I feel like Washington has had a lot of good defensive backs too. Yeah. Yes. Yes. And I would say Utah, Utah has had a lot of good secondary players. They've had a ton of like safeties that have come out.

Another school, Cal, Cal has like a weird number of say, they have like six safeties in the NFL from Cal. And they're, I mean, obviously they haven't been good. All right. Cal has not been good, but somehow they've figured the safety thing out. That's interesting. Also, we should mention LSU DBU. I know that there was a lot of conversation about that about Texas.

No, it's LSU. LSU is DBU. This is a take I've been mulling over. I think I'm ready to finally unveil it and discuss it publicly, but it's been bubbling for the last couple of years. And this year I looked at the 40 yard dash times for defensive linemen because these guys are freaks, right? We had five guys run beneath a four or five, the fastest being Nolan Smith at Georgia.

He ran a four, three, nine, 40. Is it possible that defensive linemen can become too fast? Oh, that's interesting. Overpursue? Yeah. Whiteouts, we have that conversation with Whiteouts because if you're going four, three, to gear down and stop and change direction, it's a lot.

You want to be just fast enough, but not too fast. John Ross. John Ross. Yes. Yes, you see Ted Ginn. Like you can go through a lot of those guys who it's hard for them to gear down. And with a lineman, I mean, get off is still everything.

So I mean, the 40, I wouldn't even really look into that because you still want to just see can they explode like as a defensive lineman. But I guess, you know, to me, they're never going to get up to a top enough speed where they wouldn't be able to turn the corner. You know, they're turning the corner within eight yards. I was just thinking you could you could over pursue and leave a big gap that could be exploited in the running game.

So if you have a defensive in that's running, he's coming down the line of scrimmage, could over pursue, boom, the back sides open for a cutback or a tackle would know. This guy is a speed demon. He's going to be getting around me. And so, you know, just on a natural pass rush, he leaves that side of the field open as well. Now, it's interesting that you brought up the wide receivers

because I was thinking that as a quarterback, you probably would like your receivers to be running in the same neighborhood of quickness so that you don't have to adjust your timing, your throws, you know, depending on which guy you're throwing it to. It can't be all over the map. You can't have like one slower guy and then two faster guys. Again, these are these are the stupid takes

that I spend too much time. These are good theories. No, these are good theories. There might be a small kernel of truth in there. So the receiver thing is actually, I think it's really interesting because when I was in Baltimore, Brian Billick, he's always talked about we want to build a basketball team. So you want to have one, you know, a bigger receivers like your power forward than a smaller quick guy

be your point guard. Like he wanted different skill sets and different sizes. And that's been a philosophy of a lot of the league. McVeigh and Shanahan have kind of changed that a little bit where they wanted all their guys to be interchangeable. Like if you look at the the receivers the Rams have had from, you know, look at Van Jefferson, Cooper Cup, Robert Woods, like those guys are all interchangeable.

The one time they went outside that they're like, okay, well, maybe we get Alan Robinson, like kind of that more physical power forward. It didn't work. He didn't fit. So, so it's in now, obviously the Shanahan McVeigh tree is going all over the NFL. And that's been, you know, hey, let's get guys that we can put any of them in any spot and it allows us to run our offense

that way. And I would think you went to your point as a quarterback, you know, I've got all similar guys that are going to be really, really efficient route runners. They're not going to be stiff. They're not going to be straight line over the top speed guys. I would think it makes life a little easier on them.

So I think you, I think you really stumbled onto something with that one. Yeah, awesome. Um, I'll bill you. All right. Give us a team that you think could be like a disruptor in the first round that they might, you've heard rumors that they might be moving up or they might even a team

that will trade back. I know the Cardinals really want to trade back, but what are your disruptor teams lurking out there? Well, I mean, we talked about the Rams, the Rams pick 36, I believe the Rams haven't been anywhere close to the first round in a very long time. And it's almost like they've, they have not been invited to the first round party for several years.

And I feel like their car is parked right outside the house. And I would not be surprised if they, you know, let's just, we can get in. Let's go. Let's, let's move up. They have tons of picks. They have a zillion bid route picks. So maybe that we get to finally see the Rams pick

in the first round. That would be a disruptor. Oh, I liked that. My prediction on that is the, when do the Patriots pick? The Patriots are 14. They're 14. So Belichick loves to just trade back and accumulate fifth rounders.

He would like to build the entire draft out of fifth rounders if he could. I wouldn't be surprised if, if I don't think that they're going to pick at 14. Do you think that's a realistic scenario? Yeah. Everybody in that range wants to trade back. It's just a matter of anybody's going to come up.

So they've got to find a partner. But what if, what if our thing came together? What if somehow the Rams traded with the Patriots? Then, I mean, how do we celebrate that? If we call our shot on that? Yes. Like that's a pretty bold shot. Yeah, that is.

Yeah. I think Hank should have to get a cat. Yeah. I think he would love that. Okay. Hank gets a cat. Nah, man. That's good.

What is the one player that you have that you are like in love with and maybe everyone's not talking about? Could be, give me an offensive and defense players, or two players that you, this is Daniel Jeremiah's like line in the sand. This is my guy. Yeah. There's been two guys through the whole process for me.

So Devin Witherspoon in the little corner from Illinois. I just loved him from the first time that I watched him. So he's like my, he's my fifth overall player. He started out as like my sixth player. So he's, he's been there for me the whole time. I, he's just so feisty and tough. I think that's like the trait in corners. If you look at bust rates and guys that haven't worked out,

a lot of times it's not because they weren't fast or fluid or they couldn't play the ball a lot of times because they just weren't competitive and tough and feisty. Like he has all those traits. So I loved him. And then offensively it was Kincaid. So the first time I watched Kincaid was, I think it was like the Thursday night game against USC.

And he had like 16 catches for over 200 yards. And I was like, they, they, they cannot stop this guy. And then I went dug into the tape and I thought, oh my gosh, I see Kelsey twice a year doing the charger games. And you never want to, you know, I don't want to compare him to Kelsey, but the, the ability to just get away from people at the top of his route that Kelsey does that just is incredible. I think he's got some of that to him.

So those would be the two guys that I love. That game was just further proof that Utah, playing at Utah at night is not fair because I remember USC in the first half that it was still sunny out and they were killing them. And then the sunset in Utah just absolutely murdered them in the second half. You're like, oh, this is, this is what it's like here. Yeah. No, that's not, not a friendly place to play.

I remember going up there to scout Eric Weddle like back in the day and go into a night game. And this was when they were Mount West and it was, it was a great atmosphere, man. I'm one of like kind of the underrated college football atmospheres. And there's always smoke in the air. I feel like they let off fireworks and it just lingers the whole second half. You're like, what the hell is going on here? Why are they playing through smoke?

It's, it's incredible. I love watching games there. There's another quarterback out there that was projected to go a lot higher, Hinden Hooker, but he tore his ACL. I guess a two-part question. One, where do you think he would go if he hadn't torn his ACL? And two, do you think it's still a lock that he's drafted in the first round? Well, I don't think it's a locked into the second part.

I don't think it's a lock. He goes in the first round. I think it's a coin flip. There's teams that really like him, but it's just, it's hard to see that many guys go in the first round. So I would not be shocked if, if he did or if he didn't on, on, if he does. I would say if he'd stayed healthy through the process, he'd have been a lock and probably would have been a top 15 pick the way he was trending, the way he was playing.

You know, the three concerns with him, the three knocks on him. Yeah, obviously the age was one of them, the injury and the offense that he played in. And I think the, you know, the injury teams that I've met or talked with, that have met with him and done the full workup, cleared him, said he's going to be fine. They're not concerned about the injury. The offense, kind of that simplistic Tennessee offense where the old Baylor offense, where they spread you sideline to sideline, the teams that have brought him in and met with him and put him on the board and watch tape with him. City's really smart.

They think he'll be able to adjust and pick it up at the next level. So that wasn't a concern. And the age, you can't do anything about the age. It is what it is. But I think he would have been a lock to be a top 15 pick, maybe a top 20 pick at worst. Is age, is the age thing changing a little bit for quarterbacks? Now the quarterbacks are protected more or was it always just a maturity thing? Like they have less growth because like Joe Burrow obviously was old. He's been phenomenal. Kenny Pickett was old. He's had a great work.

He had a great work a year. Is that, is that shifting a little bit? Cause I'm always curious about the shift of how you guys analyze even small quarterbacks like Bryce young 20 years ago, no one would have touched him. And now it's like, Hey, this guy is phenomenal for what he does. He's small. But so how does that slowly shift over time? How you guys view these things? Well, I think it's totally shifted. Number one, it used to be the age was a huge asset when you get a younger player like that. And then I think when you've seen is that the bust rate of the younger guys has been much higher than the older guys.

You're better off taking that Justin Herbert, who's played a ton of college football, then maybe, you know, obviously trade Lance, what we've seen early with him, just didn't have a lot of play time. So I think the age thing is not, you know, is not as big issue as it used to be. And then from the size standpoint, I argued with some teams about this because there's still some old school thought about Bryce and how, you know, he's just physically not going to hold up. So I was curious. I went back and watched like every time he got hit, I was able to sort the video and watched every time he got hit last year at Alabama.

And I, I don't have the number in front of it. I think it was 18. I counted 18 times he got hit. What it would have been either, it would have for sure been a penalty, possibly a fine and maybe even a suspension. Like if this was in the NFL, the way they let them hit him in the SEC, like it was the Thunderdome. And there was not even penalties, like nothing. Just get, I'm talking like helmet to helmet, drive them into the ground, nothing. I'm like, he's going to be more protected in the NFL than he is in the SEC. It hands down. And they're like, well, you know, I still think, you know,

with this frame, he ended up missing a couple of games. I'm like, yeah, we'll go back and look last year, how many starting quarterbacks of the 32 made it the full 17. Like you should go into the year assuming that your starter is probably going to miss two games. The majority of them do. Yeah. That's a good point. Yeah. I hadn't actually thought about how the rules and the way the games officiated makes a huge difference with the quarterback play. My last question for you is regarding Baltimore. So you're plugged in in Baltimore. Is there any chance something happens with Lamar Jackson during the draft?

I don't think so. I think it's, I think it's pretty complicated. If it were to happen, I think that'd be tough to pull off like in the middle of the draft. So I would be, I would be surprised if he's not there. You know, to me, to me, the thing that makes the most sense, not having any information from inside the building, but just for them to kind of go forward, it makes sense to give me a little sugar over what he's already making. And, you know, they gave him that low tender, give him a, you know, a couple of million dollars extra. It is kind of like a piece offering just to make sure that he goes, you know, he shows up on time for training camp. And then, you know, it, you know, maybe,

maybe part of that agreement is they agree not to franchise him for something like that. You know, so it seems like there's a short term compromise if they can't reach a long-term agreement. Okay. My last question, I saw you did a Reddit AMA, which that was stupid of you, but you had a couple of questions that weren't answered. One I'm going to re-ask and one I'm going to give you a tip on. So we're going to be, I'm going to give, we're going to give you a tip on how to deal with the internet. You told us a lot about the draft. The one, one of them you didn't answer was, uh, what was the worst smelling prospect that you ever, uh, ever encountered? That's, you know, that's kind of a fun question. Uh, that, that has to be part of it, right? Like,

if a guy smells, maybe if he smells really bad, he's got that dog in him though. Or, or maybe it was just Chris Long because he came out of a little waking big. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Could have been, could have been. And the other one, uh, yeah, if you have an answer for it, I don't know if you have an answer. I'd like to know. Worst smelling prospect. Or if you want to go best smelling. Um, you know, I was trying to remember who it was. Uh, I want to say it wasn't the smell, but it was at the way in, they're early in the morning, and this is going back a million years ago. And now he's a coach and he's had, he's done a nice job, but Dave Ragon was easily the most

disheveled person I've ever saw at a way in, uh, coming out of Louisville. Like he had literally, like it was like the most amazing bed head that you've, uh, that you've ever seen. So that was, that was one that stood out. But I, I, he might have seen, he might have just put Deodorant on in lieu of combing his hair. So I don't know how he smelled. That's that's good. And then the last thing is a tip for you. So, uh, if you ever go on the internet and have people ask you questions, you're always going to get the question, uh, ask or titties. You need to just answer every time like we answer a woman's mind. So just say that it's an easy one. You just be like, Nope, the brain actually is what I'm attracted to. It's great too, because the person asks the

question that there's just a bunch of people underneath being like, he's not going to answer that too. You walked into it. Yeah. Brain, the brain, the brain or the bank account. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Uh, all right. Well, Daniel, Jeremiah, thank you so much. Uh, look forward to watching on NFL network. It's always fun catching up with you. Uh, so much. We love the draft. We love the draft. We love what you do. So you put in a ton of work and appreciate you always coming on. Uh, you guys are great, man. I thought you were going to hit me with the hot dog sandwich thing or whatever. But, uh, what is that? Why were they still doing that? We always say if somebody asks you that question on the internet, they're a cop.

Yeah. And it's also, yeah, it's those and then people will like go online and just be like, bacon's overrated. And you're like, okay, dude, we know what you're trying to do here. Just stop. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Come on. Let's see. We gotta be smarter than that. I like that. Yes. Um, all right. Well, thanks so much. I appreciate it. Yep. Good luck. I appreciate you guys. Daniel Jeremiah was brought to you by C four. You guys know I love C four. That's my morning breakfast, breakfast of champions. Get a C four in your body, then go hit the gym. C four performance energy provides explosive energy. You can feel with clinically studied carnison, beta alanine and 200 milligrams of caffeine for enhanced endurance, all with zero sugar and zero artificial

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on. Oh, we already did that. All right. Jim Bose. Oh, Max sitting in the power seat. Fuck. Don't worry, Hank is here for the lottery ball. Let's see if he gets it. I took an edible on Friday. 30 minutes later, it really kicks in. I go and pour a Sriracha coconut drink into a 26 ounce water bottle. Probably a $15 drink. Set it on the kitchen counter, go to move my MacBook, and dump the entire drink on the computer and kitchen floor. While cleaning up, I have to get orange juice for my kid that is going to bed. Wait, wait. Father? You got a time just better, buddy. With my kid that is going to bed with mom and I'm so high that I managed to dump the entire

bottle of orange juice on the same kitchen floor. Oh, no. My wife walks in after hearing the commotion, looks at all this and just says, are you okay? Is this guy Mr. Bean? That's one of the situations where you're so high and you realize you've gotten yourself into a situation where you have like five errors that you have to clean up in a row and that is the absolute worst. Yes. By the way, we did a terrible job. I did a terrible job of introducing this for longtime listeners. They know what we're doing right now. Jimbo's started with Jim Tomsula when he's like, you know, when you should have thrown a pass and you ran the ball instead. That's Jimbo. So he called his own fuckups Jimbo's. So we should do this back in the day.

Fuckups. We figured because Max slept in his girlfriend's roommate's bed. That was Jimbo. You slept with your roommate's girlfriend. Yeah. You slept with your girlfriend's roommate. I fell asleep with my... You slept with her. Yeah. This is the no hitter debate all over again. Did you sleep? Were you sleeping? No, no, no. Did you sleep? She was sleeping. You were sleeping. I fell asleep. Yeah. So what do you call it if you went to sleep last night? What did you do? I fell asleep. Randy did something similar. What do you do? He just slept with them. Nothing else. Got it. This next one starts off whatever. This past week I was staying at my girlfriend's house one night and we went out and got pretty

drunk that night. I woke up in the morning to myself actively pissing the bed. Thank God she was already getting ready in the bathroom to leave for the afternoon, giving me a chance to hide it for the moment and then time to wash the sheets all afternoon. I finished putting the clean sheets back on about five minutes before she got home, bullet dodged. All right, PGIT. This is another thing I haven't brought up on this show in a long time, but it's important to refresh people's memories. I had a similar situation and I think a lot of people out there have in the past where they've gotten up in the middle of the night after drinking and you're peeing somewhere that you're not supposed to pee. Or you wake up the next morning,

maybe an alarm clock is covered in pee, maybe your keyboard might be covered in pee. Things happen from time to time. What I started doing, while I was sober and maybe as I was starting to drink on a weekend, I would just repeat to myself the mantra of PGIT, which is a helpful acronym to remember pee goes in toilet. So that way you're working on it and it's buried in your subconscious that every time you pee, you're saying to yourself, let's make sure this is toilet PFT. It's a helpful tip and I never peed anywhere besides the toilet, besides that unintentionally. So it worked for me. Hopefully it'll work for you guys out there too. Just start saying, when you're sober, every time you pee, if you think you might find yourself in this situation,

PGIT, PGIT, PGIT. I just love that this guy actively was pissing when he woke up. Like, whoa, what the fuck? What are you doing, dude? Like, you just pissed at your own penis? You're like, God damn it, man. We couldn't have waited a couple seconds. Got a mind of its own. Fuck up for the week. I work at a bank and had a client I was working with and needed some assistance. The business was named Community United Methodist Church. I sent out an email. I sent an email out to a few co-workers with the subject line, need help with calm. In my head, it didn't even cross my mind that it was anything but an acronym for Community United Methodist. Oh, man. I always thought that Patina was a Catholic.

We're gonna, I'm gonna get a text from this show. I feel like this happens though in work where you just, you know what you got to do is you just got to reverse it and be like, if you thought it was anything else, you're the dirty mind. Like, get your mind out of the gutter. Yeah, that's true. They probably, if you're receiving an email from a church and it has that in there, you read it and you're like, whoa. And then you see, oh my God, this is probably coming from a squeaky clean type person who, I'm the bad guy in this situation. Yeah, right. They're not even thinking about it. They made that church name before come even existed. Yeah. Yeah. Next, I bought a new bike lock and was in my car trying to open it with a big folding knife. And I

said to myself, this is probably really dumb. Oh, no. And then my hand slipped and I stabbed the fuck out of my finger and had to go get stitches and a tetanus shot. Dude, is there nothing worse than the moment before the moment where you're like, this is, this is a really stupid thing. And then you just keep doing it. Like, there's no worse feeling when you know you have that like out of body experience. You're like, don't jump off this thing. This knife is sharp and you have your thumb in the way. I did that a few, few months ago at the office with bagel Monday. And I had, there was a really sharp knife. I was like, kind of tired because it was during football season. And I was like, you should probably move your thumb a little out of the

way and then just fucking slice the shit out of it. Yeah, those are tough moments. I actually, I blame the packaging in this situation, because I gotta, I gotta assume that those solid plastic packages that everything comes in, those are responsible for more injuries than probably trampoline. So it's probably the number one cause of minor injuries. I've always learned if there's something that's coming in that sturdy plastic packaging, just get a pair of scissors out. Just use scissors. Don't try to open it yourself. Don't try to like tear it open with the teeth. Don't use a knife. Just get scissors immediately and save yourself like 20 minutes of frustration and a trip to the emergency. The most emasculating thing is when you

cut yourself on the plastic. Yeah. Then you're like, I could have just cut myself with the knife and made it easier. At least I would have gotten it open. The plastic gets under your fingernail and cuts you there. Whoever designed that, that they're real motherfuckers. The specific, yeah, packaging is just the worst. Yeah. It works, but God damn it. This is suck. Got a little drunk after the Timberwolves when karaokeed Kendrick's Mad City without skipping any of the words. I'm whiter than Billy. I'm whiter than Billy. That's is, is this how Morgan Wong lost his voice? Yeah, this, this one. No. There's not, there's not There's nothing really to say about this one. You, that's a Jimbo. That is a Jimbo.

Karaoke is so dangerous too when you're with anyone at work or anything. Like you just, it's designed to make you look foolish and it's fun. It's so much fun. But you need everyone to be the equal amount of drunk. Yeah. Because if there's one sober guy, like or one sober person, they're like, Hey, remember that last night? And unless you're a really good singer, there's just a handful of songs that you should, you should stick to. And most of them are the songs that everybody's going to sing along to sing wagon wheel. Yeah. Let everybody else sing it for you. I heard that in, I think it's the Philippines. They take karaoke very, very seriously. And there are a few songs that are like sacred over there. So if you try to sing my way by Frank Sinatra,

and you fuck it up, they will beat the shit out of you. Oh, I like you will get beaten up. I think people have gotten killed over messing up my way by Frank Sinatra. I respect that culture. Yes. Last one. Last one. Hey, PMT fellas, on the weekend, I went to a party at the apartment of someone I've never met. After I went to the bathroom to return some of the beers, I noticed that the toilet had a bidet attached. And I decided I wanted to see how it worked. I had no idea I was in for a full on jet stream aimed right at my crotch. In a panic, I went to turn the dial the opposite way to shut it off. Not knowing it turns on both ways and got a double dose of water shooting at me. Had to spend the rest of the night explaining to people

that I didn't explode into the front of my pants. Yeah, that's a ballsy move to do your first bidet experience at a party. Yeah. You got to have like the comfort of your own home or like, you know, a nice hotel. I did mine at the Lake Charles at the La Bares resort, the Penn property down there. It does shoot out harder than you would think. It's not necessarily gentle. You learn to adjust it so it's not a fire hose. I'll say it, bidets, sauce. They're sauce. They're nice. They're sauce. They're nice, but there also needs to be a drying mechanism that comes right after. Yeah. And maybe like a high five. Yeah. Like a hand comes out and's like, good job, bro. Or it needs to play like a beer commercial or some sort of swimsuit ad.

I feel masculine as you're doing it. It does give you a novelty football. Yeah. A little one you get at the bank. Yeah. Like, here you go. This is a good bidet, good water up your asshole experience. You're still a man. Oh, man. Your bidet gives you gambling picks. That'd be sick. Yeah. Your bidet just spits out a parlay for you. The barstool bidet. Oh, shit. That's a good idea. Yeah. Yeah. Let's do it. Oh, man. It just gets that ass. Yeah. And smoke shows of the day. Yeah. Oh, man. All right. Let's do some lottery ball. Okay. Wrapping up the show. I think you're gotten this. Got what? The lottery ball. No. Okay. That's wild. We'll see if you can get it. Numbers. Season 17. I'm going to go with, I'm going to do 99. 18. I was thinking about doing

99 as well. Do you want 99? You can have 99. Sure. Yeah. You've only gotten it one time. You can get it. Okay. Hey, but ask me if I've ever gotten water. Hey, big head. Have you ever gotten this? I have. All right. No, you go 99 because that's bad juju. I'll go. Go ahead, Max. What's your number? I'm going to go 20. Okay. I'll go 76. Mmm. Are you just sticking with 17 now? That's smart. What you worried about yourself? He took them two years to figure it out. Oh, go sixes. Go sixes, baby. Congrats.

That's good juju for the series, too. That's good juju for the series. You gave me 99. Suck my dick, Hank. You'll never catch me now. I'm happy for you. That's awesome. That was so easy. Hank, another banner. That was a great moment. That sucks so bad. I can't believe that. Did we say 76? You should guess 76. Yeah, no, I guess 76 last year. Yeah, right. Yeah, when he said, no, no, that was our strategy. It's time to cut your, that was your first one, March 10, 2021. So just over two years. Love it. Love it. Two years route over. But it's not that hard. I just thought really hard about it. I was like,

you have the, you have the good seat, but that's fine. Whatever. No, this was our strategy. Hey, we said that we were going to get 76 in your face. I almost guessed 99. PFT guessed it first. I said, you have it. Listen, I'm happy. We're all happy here. Everyone all for one for all. Billy's not happy. I'm happy. I'm so happy for you. We owe you a lot of money. Yeah, that's fine. Yeah, I don't need the money. I have the satisfaction of people chirping me being like, how should we start talking about big, can only gain once? Guess what? You motivated my ass. You know what? I'm going to, I'm going to give you. Shut up. No, this is a preview for PMTV. Don't, don't do this. Preview for PMTV. Hank got a cash buy out for me for some transgressions.

I just gave him $200 and that's the second. How much cash do you have on you right now, Hank? I don't want it wrong. Okay. Yeah. I'll, I'll, I'll Venmo you. No, no, I don't want the money. I don't want the money. It's almost two months to the day that, since PFT got it on February 27th with 55. Love it. Love it. I'm going to Venmo you for the juju. Oh, thank you. Thank you. I mean, that was the, that was awesome. I gave him back 99, 76. Boom. Just felt it in my bones. So happy for you. Yeah. That sucks though, because there were a lot of little Hank stands running around the internet being like, should we start talking about the fact that big canceling got in it once? And I was like, you know what? That has nothing to do with me. I'm going to work really hard

and try to get a second time. Max, how many times have you gotten it? Do you want to ask me how many times if I've ever gotten it? Well, Max is the lead. He's the lead. All right. That's the show. What a great ending to the show. Yeah. Hey, it's, if you just think hard enough, you can get it. Just so you know, I am, I am proof positive. I don't even want to get it. Yeah. Okay. That's the one. All right. We'll see everyone on Friday. Let me get some cats. Oh, I'll be coming for your love. I'll be coming for your love. I'll be gone in a day or two.

Take on me. Take me on. I'll be gone in a day or two. Take me on. I'll be gone in a day or two. Take me on. Take me on. Take me on. Take me on.