Pardon My Take - NFL Draft With Todd McShay & Steven Cheah, Ja Morant Is A Killer And Introducing KennysHands.com

Episode Date: April 27, 2022

The Timberwolves stay cursed as Ja Morant sucks their soul out of their chest. (00:02:41-00:10:19) The Heat finish off a terrible Trae Young performance and the Hawks. (00:10:25-00:20:44) We recap Monday night and the completion of the Whomp Bet live from Brooklyn. (00:22:11-00:39:54) Hot Seat/Cool Throne including a Brand New Website KennysHands.com in defense of our guy Kenny Pickett. (00:39:55-00:57:20) Todd McShay joins the show to break down the draft, give us an answer on where current Tom Brady would be drafted, and tons more draft talk. (00:58:43-01:35:47) And we finish the show with Guys on Picks with Steven Cheah. (01:37:22-02:09:07)You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/PardonMyTake

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Okay, let's go. It's a part of my take, isn't it, my first two sports. Welcome to part of my take presented by Dazzone. Go check it out. Big fight Saturday night, DAZN.com, a lot of content coming out of there. I will be there today is Wednesday, April 27th, and the Minnesota Timberwolves continue to be a cursed franchise. So weird.

So weird, but I will say, though, that I want this series to keep going on indefinitely. I want this series to keep going throughout the entire playoffs. Like, I don't want either team to advance. I want just this series to continue going on concurrently while the rest of the NBA playoffs takes place, because it's so much fun to watch. Right. And it's, it's, we didn't even have a protester tonight, and it was awesome. John Morant with the game winner with a second left, you know, the comeback from the Grizzlies

who played terrible for the first three quarters and then made that run. I like, I agree with you. I want this to go seven. I feel bad for the Timberwolves, but I also, I'm now in Timberwolves, if you're a Timberwolves fan, I think that you can now chalk this up because this series is so competitive. Every game's a war. This is just, you're getting, you're, you're getting, you know, your legs under you. You're getting those, you know, playoff reps in so you'll be stronger next year.

So it's not all losses. I know you don't want to hear that right now, but this series has been basically like two young teams trying to figure it out at the same exact time and chaos ensuing in every single game. So big cat, you're exactly right. Two young teams. I actually looked it up because I was like, there's a reason why this series is so fun to watch.

Obviously you've got great players about teams. The two youngest teams in the playoffs, two of the five youngest teams in the NBA, which means that you're going to see some guys that have the ability to do like incredible, amazing athletic stuff, but also make really, really stupid, awful mistakes a lot, which just, it means that you're going to get a hell of a series. You've got the doidori plays. Yes. James Winston was an entire NBA team and he was playing himself.

Yes. Yes. And it's, it's the best for the viewer. And I do have, I had, I had two dad takes, one positive, one negative. The one negative was the John Morant dunk was incredible, but he didn't get back on defense and he almost got scored on and they were down 11, but that dunk was incredible. But he, like I was, I was actually yelling at my TV, get back on defense job and the quarter ended, but it might have even been the half ended, but he like the, they almost

got a layup because no one was getting back on defense. And the other one, the pro dad take the Grizzlies in the fourth quarter, what they did on the offensive glass was so much fun to watch. They were battling so hard. I saw the stat. They had a, the Grizzlies offensive rebounded 61.5% of their misses in the fourth quarter and scored 12 points off of those. Like that's the game right there.

They just kept on getting second shots, Brandon Clark could not be stopped. Like he would just, and I think that, that is the weakness of the Timberwolves. So Timberwolves fans knew that could happen to them, but there's something about a guy who has like an over-relentless motor and John Morant was getting involved too, a relentless motor on the offensive class that's just, it's so much fun to watch because every miss shot you're like, nope, that, that's not the end of this possession. They're going to, they're going to fight tooth and nail to get this ball back. Yeah.

I understand your point about like yelling at a TV, that is something that you get when you become a dad. Like you get the new balances or you get the air monarchs and then you get really mad. You didn't get back. When players do something awesome and then you don't get back on TV. I actually think that the NBA is probably like three years away from implementing a rule where if you have a hard enough dunk, the game just stops for five seconds and like straight lights go off and the reggae torn horn, horn sounds and then everybody's

like, oh my God, you've got the guy from the end one mix tape screaming like, my God son, it's over. Like that's, we, we should take like a little pause to appreciate that. Yes. That's when the vibes changed in this game because it was a first of all, I don't know how he dunked it from there. Secondly, the ability to just like bend the rim from there. It wasn't like the Dwight Howard dunk in the, in the slam dunk contest where he kind of

threw it down through the hoop. He like his arm stretched out while he was in midair and got there. It was awesome to watch. And I love it. I just love games like that when at the end of a game, one guy just takes over the entire game and everyone on the court knows what's going to happen on offense and the player can still do it. Reminding me a little bit of that, uh, the LeBron James against the Pistons playoff game

back in like 2005, I think, scored like the last 20 points for his team or something crazy like that. I love the ends of games like that when it's just, you can't do anything to stop this guy. No, you couldn't. And, um, the, uh, I did, I actually saying the job should get back on defense is actually not the worst dad take that could happen from that play because there were a lot of people that were saying that was technically an offensive foul. And if they call an offensive foul right there, I think the NBA should would just like implode

on itself because that dunk was so fucking cool for hanging on the rim. Yeah. You just have to let it, you have to let that dunk stand because it was that fucking cool. It was when a dunk is as violent as that dunk, it's like, it's just so different than every other dunk. Cause you're like, Oh my God, like it stops you in your tracks. Holy fuck. That was a violent, violent dunk.

I also think that the NBA should bring back the old backboards for the playoffs just so we can get one shattered and I miss, I miss somebody being able to either break a backboard shout out Claxton with his foul shots. I like that meme that he put out, um, either, either tear the backboard down, uh, like pull it down on your head, like Shaq used to do, or just shattered the backboard. It makes games so much more exciting. And I want to say one thing in defensive Carl Anthony towns, because a lot of people are doing the like posting him doing this after he hit the big three to go up four with like

a minute left or something. You have to be able to celebrate those moments. That's not like he is not like egg on his face. Oh my God. How could he shush the crowd? Like he hit a big shot. He played well. He's playing more aggressive.

He still has like a few plays a game where I just, I'm watching it. He had one where he was like galloping like a horse trying to shoot like a, a one legged fade away while also going forward. Like he has these, these moments in the game where his, his body just makes no sense. And I don't think it's almost like he's, he's Pinocchio with the fucking, what is that called? What's that guy called? Chippeto? No, the, yeah.

The marionette, the marionette, like his body just like floats, but he was good. He's been aggressive. So I'm going to defend him on the meme that's going around. You're allowed to do that when you hit a big three, like he hit a big three. Yeah, just like, I didn't have a problem the other night when they were up in Minnesota and he said, we're in Minnesota now. That one was just corny. I didn't have, I didn't have a problem with that at all.

He was just happy to be there. So I also, D'Angelo Russell at the end of the game, that was hilarious where it was like, it's D'Angelo Russell time. That's what, that's what needs to happen right now. Everybody clear out, we're going ISO. It's me, D'Angelo Russell, and I'm going to make this happen. And then he almost, he almost airballed it, but like over the backboard. Yeah.

It was an awful, awful, he's, he's an all time, like feeds off energy guy. Yeah. If his teammates are playing well around him, he thinks he's got that too in his bag. It's like, if Ringo were to be like, Hey guys, let me take the solo real quick. Yeah, that's how you get yellow submarine. Yeah, exactly. Right. That's what happened.

So speaking of off the backboard airballs, we should, that's a perfect segue to Trey Young and what he put out there tonight. One of the ugliest performances, like ever. So he finishes this series and the heat, no Kyle Lowry, no Jimmy Butler, no problem. The heat are looking as locked in as ever. Like they deserve all the respect for, you know, like even that, even the one lost to the Hawks was a buzzer beater. So it's not like they lost any games, you know, got got warped in any games.

This actually would have been a wamping. This would have been a wamping a five game series where the only win for the Hawks was a buzzer beater. But Trey Young finished this series with more turnovers than baskets. Yeah, 30 turnovers, 22 baskets. It hasn't been done in like 45 years. He was so bad. He I treated a clip.

He hit the side of the backboard on a corner three. That's like you don't see that in the NBA. That doesn't happen in the NBA. I do that all the time. But you're right, right. Like, and you'll see it in like college games where where a guy like just has to shoot because he's so wide open, but it was it was so bad for him. And he just kept on shooting.

He was two for 12. He had more shots than he did points. I mean, that's I think we go back. We revisit like, is it going to end up being a bad thing that they went to the Eastern Conference final last year because they went in the playoffs and this whole season being like, we've we've done something. We can do this and their season ends in kind of a very gross way, even though the heater are very, very good team.

That was a gross, gross ending for the Hawks. So Trey Young had 77 points. Max Truce had 70 points. Yeah, his mother fucking Max. This was it was the bullpen game for the heat is what it was. John Morant had more fourth quarter points and traded in the game tonight. That's crazy. I so I did go back and I grinded a little bit of the tape. Watch some of the second quarter because Billy and I went to a science

presentation with a guy that's going to be on part of my take coming up soon. But I watched some of what happened in the second quarter. You know what Spolster did? You know, the change that he made in the second quarter. He's just like, let him shoot. No, he started to press Spolster used the full court press, which we've talked about a little bit on this on this here podcast. Obviously, you can't do it in a full game in the playoffs

because like it would be insane. Your guys would get tired and the dribbling is just too good. But he was pressing and that's when the game switch. Well, they did they did that all series on Trey Young, not the press, but like they just sped him up. They made him go fast and he just becomes an uncontrollable like mess of a basketball player when when that happens to him. And they I mean, the heat defense.

Hank, I know that you're feeling right and high off the Celtics, but I would say that obviously the Nets were a better team in the Hawks, but this was as big of a, you know, those are as good as a wamping as you could get in terms of the the like series ending. Like basically the only difference between the Nets and Celtic series and the Hawks and Heat series is the Hawks. Buzzerbeater went in like they, you know, like game one goes to the Nets. That's the same thing.

One of their best players wasn't playing in the series, too. I think that I mean, like are we not playing 100 percent? I mean, Jimmy Butler and Kyle Lowry didn't play tonight. True. They didn't play tonight. That's true. They basically did load management in the playoffs. That's how much they disrespected the Hawks. No, it's like if this was a game seven, the NBA finals,

there's no chance Jimmy Butler and Kyle Lowry aren't playing. They're like, this is fine. We can win without them. And even if we don't, we'll just win in game six. No problem. It literally was the first time that I've seen a team do like a bullpen game and an elimination thing. And they're like, you know what? We're we're going to throw we're going to go Max Truce and then more Max.

Just when you think you've had enough, we're going to give you more of them. I just they're just the Heat are such a good team right now. I would be that's the team that would scare me as a true blue, like died in the Wolf Celtics believer. Well, he is the team that scares me out of the East. Here's what you would scare you, Hank, is the revenge. I want it. The Heat play defense like the Celtics play defense. Like when you have a low possession series and both teams are good at defense,

it basically comes down to a few guys making shots. Obviously, you have Jason Tatum. But the Heat, I think now officially deserve our respect because that was a wamping and they're looking really good. And Jake, how are you feeling? Heat culture. Jake is a Heat fan. He was tweeting about Heat tonight. I'm feeling great.

I mean, I agree with what you said. Like even next round, everyone's going to be talking about Yannis versus the Red Hot Celtics who just took out Katie and Kyrie. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. You get the bulls. The bulls already lost game five. Did I miss something? I bet you tweeted that they're done.

No, they're they're they're playing possum right now. I think you said earlier in this podcast, we're doing a later. Yeah, later. Later in this podcast. I think you said like, yeah, yeah, this is Astrix. The series is over. It's exactly being got covid for the 17th time. Yeah, but go ahead, keep going. So yeah, that series is going to get all the spotlight and the story lines.

Heat versus maybe Raptors or 76ers is going to get the non prime time slots because no one respects a team that's been there before. But hey, I love this chip on your shoulder. Jake is exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, you embody it. Yeah, no, it couldn't be in a better spot right now. I hope the Raptors push it to seven and the Heedle host on Monday and no one will be talking about that stuff.

I'm great. Call out who you want. Yeah, call out who you want. Oh, obviously I want Hank. No, but who do you want in the next round? Oh, next round. That was great. This is me. We're going to have to figure out the stakes for for yeah, Celtics, Easter Conference final, because that will be I mean,

but it's like Hank is a winner. Hank wins just consistently at everything. But the one is my kryptonite. Killie's heel that Hank has is our darling Jake. Yeah, I need you guys to go. I need you guys to go to Boston and Miami, both dressed in full kit. I think it needs to be a step over bet. I think I think the winner gets to step over the loser.

But don't you think they both have to go to they have to go to the games to get like one game together in where we're getting way ahead of ourselves here. Game time app. Thank you. Game time app. That's awesome that you sponsored this content. One game each. Boston and Miami and then both.

And then Hank wears a full Jason Tatum outfit. And Jake wears a full Duncan Robinson outfit. Well, yeah, I guess we I'm down. Like I would like to get there first. Yeah, but we both have to win four more games. But yeah, you're the one that said you wanted. Hank, when we're talking about the Raptors and the Sixers. But no, he called you out by name.

Yeah, I need this. But you know, I'm so bad. I think it's so bad. I saw your tweet earlier tonight about the critique of the Whiteout. Is that something that they need to address moving forward? Because you can get away with that in a first round matchup. We're going to gentlemen sweep them. They obviously, you know, weren't bringing their A game.

But the Whiteout, it did look weird. Yeah, but apparently I saw a picture that they actually did that once in the 06 playoffs when they had Wade and Shaq. So they wanted all that year. So where they go with the Black jerseys. Red, red, red jerseys in a Whiteout. Whiteout. Yeah, I don't like it. I like I like going if you're going to white it out, white it out.

Yeah. Yeah. And I do like Miami. I like the Miami Whiteout just because everyone just wears their like boat attire or their country club attire. And it kind of just fits with the whole thing. They're just linen everywhere. Yeah. Yeah, just so much linen and jeans. Yeah, button down like two buttons off.

Yeah, like a cocktail. They got the sprinklers going a little bit glasses. Yeah. Heat culture, baby. Heat culture. All right. And then the last game, I feel bad for Pelicans fans because we just like haven't recapped any of their games because they just decided to play the whole series very, very late. I'm going to say the Sons of One. Yeah, they're 14.

That's fair. The Sons are going to win this game. I need Chris Paul to get 10 assists. Hopefully that's going to happen. But, you know, this is good, good momentum for the Sons. Hopefully they can they can learn how to win a game on the road. And listen, I want the Pelicans to win the series. But I also understand that as a podcast, we would probably lose one of our favorite guests

if the Sons lose this series in Ryan Racillo. I don't think he'll ever come back on because, yeah, it would be torture for him. Like we'd bring up Chris. We wouldn't talk about anything besides Chris Paul. And I think we'd make him cry and I love him to death. But I think that we just have to say, you know what, it will hurt all of us too much to do this anymore. So in a weird way, I guess I am rooting for the Sons

just so that he can stay in our lives. I don't want to have to do that to him. Right. But I have to. Yeah, exactly. And it's going to be a complete bullshit argument that we'll have to make against him, which is like Chris Paul once again, jokes it away. And we'll have to completely ignore the fact that poker is not playing. Maybe. But we have to do that.

It's like we're in an insurgency and it's easier for us to win a battle where there's no actual rules of engagement, where we don't give a shit about, you know, the nuance of the basketball takes. Yeah, maybe I'm rooting for actually now that I'm thinking about it. I'm rooting for like, I don't want any significant injuries, but if DeAndre Aten and like Mikhail Bridges both got covid and then we and then they lost because they just lost three of their starters. And then we'd be like, Chris Paul's a choke artist.

Is Jay Crouter still on the suns? Yeah, yeah, he is. That would be a lot of fun. It's like Jay Crouter and Chris Paul running high and picking roles. Yeah. All right. We're going to do a quick ad. And then on the other side, we're going to talk about the Wamping Bet

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The wamping is complete. Got wamped last night. I was wrong about the Celtics. Well, Jake was wrong about the Celtics. Mostly Jake. And I will never regret sticking up for my guy, Jake. He watches a lot of ball. When he says something, it's Bible.

So no regrets on my end wanting to have your back on that, Jake. But it was tough. I mean, it was reverse wamping. Not only was it not a net's wamping, but they got wamped in force. Thoroughly wamped. Yes, Hank. Question. Yes.

And we'll get into it. But how much credit to the loss do you give Jake of being completely defeated before the game even began and having no heart or passion for the nest to come back? Besides coming out of him, I was sitting next to Jake. No, I explained the reason why I was acting that way, though. It's not just the day of the game. It was like the three days before the game.

Jake had been I'm glad that that ended last night with a net's loss at home because Jake could not have taken two more days. That's why I wanted I just wanted to rip the bandaid off. Yes. Like even if I believe no, even if they won two games, it would have been two extra days where I had to deal with it in my head. You just wanted to be done with it. By the way, you can watch the video on PMTV on the part of my take YouTube.

I will stand up for Jake right now and just saying the wampus cat that took place after the game, I allowed him to do pouches. So I thought that was fair because he didn't actually have anything to do with this. We dragged him in here. So he put a whole tin of dozen black buffalo pouches with nicotine checked for on the on the video. PFT manned up with some skull. Still picking pieces out of my teeth on the train ride back.

We took a train ride back from Brooklyn to Manhattan and Jake was sitting next to me and he was just starting to sweat. I was starting to sweat, too, because there's after effects. There's an after shock that happens. Yeah, there's a lot of nicotine. It's a lot of nicotine and the funniest thing he kept saying over and over again was like, why do you do this? He was like, this is this isn't fun.

Yeah. What what's good about this feeling? Yeah. And he was genuinely puzzled about like why little buzz. Not like a little like, oh, yeah, you were feeling a little. You're down with my symptoms. Yeah. OK, let's hear him. Nothing. OK. As you're putting him in. Yeah. Head spinning. Yeah. Lightheaded.

Nauseous. Then you have to poop and then you take a dump. The poop part is the best part. Yeah. That's what I need to start. Start it over. Yeah. Right. Right. Exactly. So do you know about doing that when you're driving? That's when it's really the best. That shouldn't be legal.

Well, if you have a Tesla. Well, I don't know. That's why you quit it. My bad, my bad. Get a DUI from DIMPING. Billy in bit what Billy says is always true. Yeah. If he was saying dip, I'm not even going to. I would love it if Jake got a DUI behind the wheel

and the officer pulled him over and like, sir, how much have you had to drink? He's like, I just did two pouches of black buffalo. Yeah. I did a Wampus cat a month ago. I was talking about Copenhagen black, which has, I think, whiskey in it. Again, I don't know if that's true. Yeah. It's like that.

Billy's like, yeah, if you drink, if you eat, what's the cake? Pound cake? Does pound cake have liquid in it? No, there's some cakes that have rum cake in it. Billy's like your friend's older brother that comes over doing sleepovers and tells you all the all the weird shit that he's learned in high school. Dude, if you swallow a bunch of pennies,

you can't get a DUI. I was asking him about it. I was like, Billy, I'm trying to, you know, put on weight gain muscle. What are some things I should do? And immediately he was like, drink olive oil for bed. And I looked it up and it's a very debated topic. Like some people, it's not like it's not confirmed,

like you should do it or shouldn't do it. It's very much like, I think the first thing you look up is like, does this help gain weight? And it's like, no, but then there's like forums where it's like, yes. Yeah, Billy lives on it. He lives on the bleeding edge of nutrition. Yes, yes.

Well, his advice to me was just do steroids, which I appreciated the bluntness with that. It's like, you're too far gone for olive oil at bed. So Jake, I've got a big question though. Like, is there a small part of you that kind of wants to try to begin today? Absolutely not. You're not addicted?

Did you go to the dentist? No. Did you make an appointment? I already have one. Okay, all right, so you were set, you were set. I was already set. I could see Jake being like, you know, when police officers go through drive-thrus

and somebody like sprinkles a little bit of weed on their burger and they take a bite and then they check themselves into the hospital for the rest of the day. I could see Jake like going to the hospital today just to monitor. Just to check. Just to check the heartbeat.

And I apologize to the people on DIP Twitter. They're probably going to come in. No, I have your back. You actually didn't. This is a situation where you did not actually say anything about this series. You got dragged in. It was still for you to see.

Yeah, and you did it. You manned up. For the series, a couple of things. Jason Tatum is, I mean, he is, he was easily the best player in the series. I, like watching him in person, you know, like when you're watching a game in person, you're like, oh yeah, that guy's just better than everyone.

And that's what it felt like. Scott Foster tried his best to make sure this series went five, but he saw this was just the better team. Scott Foster was, it was like watching an artist paint a masterpiece, watching him. Just the way that he was handling the game. I don't even know if he was trying to make it go five,

but he was trying to make damn sure that everybody knew that Scott Foster was referring to the game. He makes the weirdest calls ever. Tatum's last foul was very, very bad. I watched it back on the highlights and I was like, oh yeah, that was a Scott Foster. And you know, Blake Griffin was the one that took the charge,

but there was a couple of those that were questionable. Blake played his balls off it, Blake. All blood and guts. If Steve Nash had put in Blake game one, that series goes differently. I agree. I mean, Blake's out there. I think he took three charges last night.

He was on the floor the entire time, diving for balls, falling down. Rebound. I'm a little concerned about Blake's balance because he is on the ground a lot. Really, you could point out a couple guys on the nets that effort is not an issue for. Blake Griffin, I think he had the best plus minus.

I think he was plus 10 on the game. Drogic played really well, had a lot of effort. KD, I thought, he's getting a lot of shit right now in the media. And he's on Twitter responding to it. But I don't think you can be like, KD didn't put forth effort this year. Let's talk about that real quick.

Because it's obviously, Charles Barkley said, his comments were basically, if you're not driving the bus, if you're not the best player on the team, if it's not your team, don't go around talking like you're a champ. I don't really understand that. Like, are you, only the best player

gets to basically claim the championship? And you could make the argument that Kevin Durant on the Golden State Warriors was the best player in those finals. Yeah. Definitely. But it was Steph Curry's team. Maybe I'm misconstruing what Charles was saying,

because then KD went on Instagram today and posted a bunch of pictures of Charles with all his teammates. Like, it's just a very weird thing to say when basketball is the ultimate team sport and everyone playing together, and no one can do it alone. And it's just like, it's very bizarre to be like,

yeah, Kevin Durant's rings are fraudulent. I know there's some people who think that. He was bad this series. He was. Like he was not, and the Celtics defense is incredible. But Kevin Durant was not good. And if you're Charles Barkley. At some level, coaching is involved with that too,

because watching it in person last night, like all he could do, like he was just playing isolation basketball. Right. And he was scoring a lot, but it's like what? At some level, you can be the best player in the world, but if your coach isn't helping you out by getting you open, like he had to work hard for his,

like none of his shots came easy. No. Yeah. It was very frustrating watching the Nets on offense, especially compared to what the Celtics do in offense. Yeah. It's like they're playing two different games. And Charles Barkley calling KD out on like what is

then is not considered his championship. Like Charles Barkley is the one that's saying this. Yes. Charles with all his rings. Yes. That he's able to say, no, you can't claim that. I have that right, right? Like that was what he was saying.

The whole, if you don't drive the bus, he was like, if you don't drive the bus, don't go around saying that you're the man. Which is just, I don't know. It's like John Kerry being like, yeah, I don't know if this election was legit. I wouldn't consider this a win. So give me a break.

Like you don't, like Charles Barkley should not be the person that's deciding what counts as your championship. I'm reading it right now. Yeah. Charles Barkley was discrediting. He said, Charles Barkley goes off on bus drivers and bus riders for championship team. And specifically talks about Kevin Durant.

All these bus riders, they don't mean nothing to me. If you ain't driving the bus, don't walk around talking about you a champion. If you're riding the bus, I don't want to hear it. Come on, Shaq, tell them. All these guys walk around with these championship rings. Hey, y'all, bus riders. But let me tell you something.

When you're the bus driver and you've got all that pressure when you have to play well or you're going to get the blame, that's a different animal. Now, part of what he's saying is true that like Kevin Durant has more responsibility in Brooklyn versus Golden State because the team isn't as good. And he has to like last year's playoffs, he had to drag them to that game seven

and it was all on him. But are we saying that Kevin Durant's championships don't count? Yeah, also that's wild. It sounds like a lot of slander towards people who ride the bus as well, which I know Hank disagree. Hank is a big public transportation guy.

Yeah. Yeah. We live in New York City. Yeah, you got to take the bus. Nothing wrong with riding a bus. So weird to say. That means that basically one or two guys gets to say they won the championship every year.

Yeah, you can't say that the Warriors. You hub trans-shaming me? Yeah, that team was not a bus either. That team was a nuclear submarine. Right. They had like nine people doing their jobs at the same time. Very, very bizarre. So I'm on Kevin Durant's.

I think it's fair to criticize Kevin Durant in this series. Yeah. Well, also saying his championships absolutely count, and that's just what it is. And shout out Kyrie. The last, we don't have to talk about Kyrie for a while now, but he did say his COVID vaccination thing might have been a distraction.

So that was big of him. I'm going to wait for all the facts to come out on that. It was great. He also. He finally got there. He's like, I didn't want it to be about me, but it kind of became about me. It's like, you think?

He also said after the game about his plans on next year, he says he wants to re-sign with Annette. He said, when I say I'm here with Kev, I think that really entails us managing this franchise together alongside Joe and Sean. Yeah, brutal. So he declared himself owner of the bus. Correct.

Correct, correct. He built the bus. Yes. Two other quick notes from the game. The first one that I was there Saturday as well, and I was like drinking, went out after, had a good time. So the music wasn't as noticeable, but I was probably coming down from a hangover

still on Monday, and it was brutal. It was very loud. The music, it just never ended. At no point was there not techno music, like not just music blasting. And it's a playoff game. There should be. You're there to watch basketball.

The music was very loud. I don't like shaming bad sports town. Oh, these guys. There was one moment, though, that I was in shock watching. There was a kid stand. There was a moment where the nets were coming back. Everyone stood up. Then a timeout happened.

Everyone sat down. This one kid was still standing up, and a guy like three rows back was like, sit the fuck down. It's like, dude, it's a playoff game. Yeah. Like, what are we talking about? New York is not a bad sports town. New York is a good sports town.

The fans care about sports. I love how angry they get at people. I will say, though, that Brooklyn, or at least inside the confines of the Barclays Center, that location right there is a bad sports town. I mean, they put a hockey team there and moved it out in like a year. Yeah.

Bad sports town. And we went into history, that was my other note. Yes, with Frank the Tank, calling every single one. That will also be in Liam. Actually, Bubba made up a huge compilation of every single one of Nick Clankston's misses, and Frank going clank during every single one of them. It was a joy going to a game with Frank.

He, if you don't know Frank, he's got like a routine. And we're used to it because we hear it every day. But being around a bunch of people who have never heard his comedy act was a joy. Like when he brought out the Steve Trash, people were fucking laughing. Yeah, and they all hit. Like all the one-liners were just,

they were all landing on the captive audience. It's a lot like if you make a movie with Jim Carrey and you're one of his co-stars in the movie, you probably get a little bit annoyed by the end of shooting because you've had to deal with Jim Carrey screaming at you for three months, but then it hits theaters and the crowd stands up and applauds. And you're like, oh, yeah, this is very funny.

I've just been around it a little bit too much. And then there's something very special about being at a sporting event and having Guy in your section. It can go very bad when Guy in your section who thinks he's funny, like it goes south, but when Guy in your section actually is funny and has the whole section captivated,

that man has all the power in the world. Yeah, cause Nets fans were agreeing with him. Celtics fans were laughing at it. Like it was, it was, it was very funny. It's like a, a thorough. Zero technical fouls. Yeah, yeah. See that.

Oh, unbelievable. That is kind of crazy. That's, that's the part where- Honestly, I don't know if that's true either. Yeah, that's true. That could be a made up- And that's, that's exactly what Frank really wants. Like he wants his coach getting technical.

But the, one of the first things that I noticed during the game was there were some questionable calls in the first quarter. Very questionable calls. Scott Foster was going the other way and he was like, you could see the Nets players start to just like, look at themselves being like, what the hell is this guy doing tonight?

See what's happening. And nobody on the bench, Blake was the only person on the bench. He walked out onto the court and started yelling at the refs from the bench. Steve Nash didn't open his mouth. Like you got to stand up and fight for you guys a little bit. Right?

Yes, I'd agree. The- Yeah. That was like the biggest pop when he finally, after he went 0 for 10 on the free throws and then he made one. Yeah. That was pretty hilarious.

Yeah. I love the sarcastic rounds of applause. I love the sarcastic ovations. There's nothing better. Yeah, go ahead. It did feel like a torch game. It did feel like Jason Tatum, this was his torch. He took the torch from Kevin Durant

and watching him play, he's so big, but the way he moves is so effortless. Yeah, and he's defensively like everything. He's, he was, like I said, when you go to a game, you just, basketball is the one sport. When you go to a game, you can almost feel it. Like who's the best player out here? And it just, you're watching it.

You're like, oh yeah, it's Jason Tatum. It's not even close. Yeah. Like he, the game is his. However, he wants it to go. He can decide. All right, other two games. Shout out Game Time App too.

Shout out Game Time App, great seeds. So it couldn't have gone better for Hank last night because the Celtics complete the sweep of the Nets. He's a winner and it looks like the Sixers are in actual real trouble here. Ever since the 3-0, Joellen Bede, buzzer beater, he hurts his hand, he's still playing and the Raptors went into Philadelphia

and beat them soundly. Now we go to game six. Hank, are you like as a Philadelphia hater, are you looking for this to end quickly? Like are you looking for the Raptors to beat them in seven or do you think it'd be funnier if the Sixers advanced and then lost in the next round? No, lose now.

Yeah, losing a 3-0 series. 3-0 series. And I'm, all I'm gonna say is I'm judging this based on our colleagues, Ronan Smitty. I asked them and they both were like, could not be lower morale wise. They're like, it's over, they've lost, it's done. Well, and Bede's calling out James Harden after the game.

What is he meaningful to say? They said, what do you, how do you think, how do you feel about James Harden only taking 11 shots? He said, it's not my job to tell him to take shots. It seems like something the coach should probably telling. It seems like something he should be doing on his own or the coach should be telling him to shoot more. So he's blaming, you know, Doc Rivers and James Harden.

Ronan's exact quote was, we're on to Jay Wright. So that's what, that's where Sixers fans are right now. They're ready to just move on to the next page and Jay Wright is their next head coach. I mean, he can't get worse than Doc. I think Doc's a funny dude. I think he's a good, like, I like him. Want to ring.

As an individual, he got a ring. But this, this would be the absolute final piece of the puzzle for Doc Rivers post-season coaching legacy. I did get a look. Maybe the most confusing post-season coaching legacy of all time, if you managed to become the first coach to blow a three-nothing lead. I got a little triggered because it was when he was

on the Celtics and the Lakers were playing them in the finals, but there's an interview clip of Phil Jackson talking to his team, being like, Doc Rivers has blown more fourth quarter leads this season than any other coach ever. We're seeing why, like, just keep playing. Like, he was, he was just destroying Doc. And obviously it was when the Celtics lost,

but that's, you know, that's bad. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, he's a guy that does have a good reputation. His reputation completely lives up to the hype. Like, especially if he goes through with this one, with this grand scheme, the one last heist for Doc Rivers. There's only been three times that a team in the NBA has ever, evened a 3-0 lead, being down 3-0,

no team has ever come all the way back. So they lost, three teams have lost game seven after being down 3-0. And going into this postseason, if you were to say, like, which coach is going to blow a 3-0 lead, it probably, we would have all said Doc Rivers, right? Yeah. Yeah. So. And then, yeah, the other game, I mean,

the Mavs are going to hopefully get rid of this jazz team. Luca feels like he's all the way back. I'm excited because I, Luca being in the playoffs in the next round is so much better than the jazz. And I know jazz fans, I think jazz fans actually have come around. They're like, yeah, this sucks. We're, we don't really want to watch this team anymore.

They need to do something different. Quinn Snyder's aged like a president through this series. It's brutal. He looks probably 25 years older than he did two weeks ago. Yeah. And recurring guest Jason Kidd, maybe going to the next round. People forget. That's right. Jason Kidd, we, Deli called him actually on the show.

Yeah, that's right. On the show. Then we put on the podcast. Yep. Yes. Was that legal to do? Just like take part of another man's show and put it on your podcast? Definitely not. Definitely not. Come do something about it, Ryan.

Yeah. All right. Let's do hot seat, cool throne. Then we got Todd McShay and then guys on picks with Steven Che. Hank, hot seat, cool throne. My hot seat is unwritten rules. Okay. This is baseball talking about dip earlier, although this has nothing to do with dip. I don't know why I just said that.

But over the weekend, PFT is nationals were playing a game and they were down by only six runs and the team, the Giants tried to score another run. They stole a base or waved a guy in a third, got thrown out and then the nationals were coming off the field, pissed off, thinking that they were getting the score run up on them

when it was only six runs. To be fair, a six run lead to the nationals is like 20. We're not gonna come back from that. But yeah, I agree. It was ridiculous. But you know what? Sometimes when you have a shitty team, you have to, sometimes you have to just get into a fight to get everybody believing in something together. Get everybody on the same page.

You have to start looking for those little perceived slights. Otherwise, you're just gonna be dejected all year. So yeah, that's probably more about the condition of the team overall. It's like getting in a fight in college when you then go back with all your boys, you're like, see how sick that was? That was crazy, dude.

Did you punch that? No one did anything. But you're sitting there afterwards like, oh man, adrenaline bumping. Everyone's boys tighter than we've ever been. That's exactly what it feels like. Yeah, you're up until 4 a.m. talking about the fight together and everything.

Dude, I forgot I swung on that guy. One time I was... Yeah, but this would be like, dude, we could have just scored seven runs. No, no, no, can't do that. Sometimes you gotta fight. Can't do that. One time I would...

I just got through the line up once. Dude, we could have just gotten pizza. Yeah, no, doesn't work, just got the fight. I called one of my friends one time when I was getting into a fight because I was way outnumbered. And we got into the fight, went home about four hours later, I wanna say, around 3.34 a.m.

The friend that I called barges in the front door, like the Kool-Aid man, he's like, let's fucking go, let's fuck these guys up. I was like, dude, that was at midnight. He gets credit though. Yeah, he gets credit. He showed up, better late than never. Yeah.

Then my cool throne is NFL fan fiction. This was gonna be my who's back from Monday. Are you talking about me and my dad again? I am talking about you and your dad, and I don't know if Chris Sims probably isn't a cousin, but he's involved in this one. No, I won't claim him. Yeah, no, I would hope not.

Step uncle. But he said that Tom Brady was trying to get traded to the Dolphins for a second round pick, and that they were also gonna trade for Sean Payton. And the only reason that didn't happen was because of the Brian Flores thing. Would you say that Chris Sims is well connected with the Bucks, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers?

No. No. No. Remind me again where he got drafted and where he played. Well, like a hundred years ago. Okay, so you think everyone's making this up? Yes. Just to piss you off.

Yes. Yes. Yes. Okay. Do you believe that? Yeah, I kind of do. I thought it was gonna be something else because I just, listen, we love Florio.

He gets dragged sometimes on the internet, but his tweet last night was so emo. I wanted to text him and be like, you okay, dude? He said, I have a mock draft ready to go. I'm seriously thinking about not posting it this year. What's the point? There are plenty of other ways to talk about the draft without pretending you know what's gonna happen.

Like, what's the point of any of this? I think Hemingway. What's the point of us doing a podcast? I think Hemingway said the six saddest words in the English language, for sale, mock draft, never read. What's the point? I'm sure you know Rick Stroud, PFT, a prominent Bucks reporter for the Tampa Bay Times,

someone who's very much plugged in the Buccaneers organization. He was quick to dispute Sims' claim. So who's, you know, who's side are you rolling with here? Who's to say? I mean, do you think there's like no chance that Tom Brady wanted to go to the Dolphins? Out of everything that we've heard that Tom Brady was like gonna be an owner of the Dolphins?

This is what fan fiction is. Like, yes, there's a chance maybe Tom Brady might have wanted to entertain going to the Dolphins. That gets out there and then these fan fiction writers just start making shit up for clicks. This is very fake news media. Wait, why are you upset about the Dolphins thing? What does this have to do with you?

It's not upsetting. It's just like when these things get reported like, oh, can you believe Tom Brady was gonna go to the Dolphins and Sean Payton and it's like, what? And then you look into it and it's like, no, this is, I can start making this shit up. But you're not mad. But what does it have to, what does it,

like if he went to the Dolphins, would that make you mad? I think he deserved a vision. Yeah, absolutely, yeah, no, absolutely. It's not, I don't even have to entertain it, but it's more when PFT and his dad like bring it up as a matter of fact. I mean, it's- When it's purely, purely what?

Fan fiction. Fan fiction, I think that Hank's probably right to a certain extent where it was something that was discussed. It was never something that was like ironclad gonna happen, but it was probably talked about. And the Sean Payton makes it more of like, okay. And now they know that whenever they write about or dig into like what conversation was had when,

that's another, that's another win for whatever website they're writing for, bunch of clicks coming through. I kind of agree with that, Hank, but I also think that it was a thing that was definitely discussed. Many things get discussed. Yeah, that is true.

Many things do get discussed. Point Hank on that one. Yeah. Lots of things, lots of things. Yeah. Finders have discussed. There's ironclad NDAs like fourth floor Hank. Like a team was gonna get-

Hank's got a Matt Lauer room set up in fourth floor now. One second round pick for Tom Brady and a first round pick for Sean Payton. Like, oh yeah, that makes sense. That would happen. Maybe. Are you being sarcastic? I can't tell anymore.

Yes. Okay. All right, we have to hear hot seat, cool throne. My hot seat is the situation. And all of his colleagues and cohorts because I'm a shore guy again this summer. I'm going back down to the Jersey shore. I got addicted to it last year.

Spent about a month and a half down there. Loved every minute. Booked the beach house today. It's official. It's happening. Gonna be playing a lot of golf down there with our good friends at Barstool Golf Time. Gonna be hooking up with Tea Times.

I'm gonna be slimming pork rolls, novelty drinks, holding on to you. I'm so excited because I feel like summer gets a bad rap. I know you're not a big summer guy. Preach. It's not true. Preach BFT. I'm happy you've converted.

It used to be me against both of you two. In New York City. I will stand by that forever. New York City is disgusting in the middle of the summer. Hank, what are you talking about? I love summer. Summer's great. Summer's always been the thing of mine.

I like summer too. I do not like summer in New York City. It's gross. It's a year number one season. I think it might be. I think summer. Yeah, you're not a football guy. Summer slash fall.

Yeah, we can't do that. What the fuck? I like summer slash fall. No. Yeah, because guess what? What bitch? September, that whole month until the 21st. It's fall.

No, September is the summer. We're not doing the lunar calendar. We're not doing it. When Labor Day happens, summer's over. Okay, well what I'm saying is I love the summertime. I love being at the beach in the summer. I used to do this thing where I would go on vacations and try to see the world during the summer,

but then I realized every place I would go in the world, I would just try to be near a beach. So why not just live at the beach for most of the summer? So for a lot of July and August, back at the shore, baby. Can't wait. Love it. I mean, I booked a place too. I'm not gonna, yeah, I mean, I'm going to Eastern Long Island.

So I like summer too. Okay. I'll be here on the third floor working. I don't think I can go to the Jersey Shore with two little kids and like walk around and everyone be like, big guy, what up, bro? No, enjoy your time off. I'll be here.

I'll be on the third floor. Oh, you'll be here? Yeah. Hank will be working. My cool throne is the skies of Georgia and Azerbaijan. Because on Wednesday night, Hank, would you like to talk about it? On Wednesday night, on the part of my take Twitch,

PFT commentator will be streaming Flight Simulator. The D, yeah, I'm gonna be engaging. The Ghost of Manhattan, sorry. The Ghost of Manhattan, I'm gonna be, finally, I'm gonna hop on Twitch and I'm gonna shoot down a bunch of migs. So 8 p.m. Wednesday night, I'll be patrolling the skies. Hope to see you guys there.

I don't know really how to fly that well. Probably gonna crash nine times more than I don't crash, but I'm looking forward to it. There we go. Join us. Tune in. Well, he lights up the skies. All right, my hot seat is every other quarterback

not named Kenny Pickett. Because our guy, we here at part of my take have created a website. Everyone should go visit it. It's called Kenny'sHands.com. Kenny'sHands.com. And you might be saying to yourself, what's Kenny'sHands.com?

Well, it is a place where you can decide the difference between Kenny's Pickett's hands, see if Kenny Pickett's hands are bigger or smaller than random objects. So you wanna wanna fire it up real quick? Fire it up. Suit. Kenny'sHands.com.

No apostrophe. I don't think you can type apostrophes into the URL. I don't think so. I do not think so. Let's just, here we go. Kenny's Pickett's hands are bigger than two Crayola crayons. Kenny Pickett's hands are bigger than a four pack of AA batteries.

Kenny Pickett's hands are bigger than a cosmic brownie. Ooh, Kenny Pickett's hands are not bigger than a concrete grain silo. Ooh, okay. Just barely missed that one. It's a tough break for Kenny. Kenny Pickett's hands are bigger than milk bone dog treats. Ooh, Kenny Pickett's hands are bigger than sidewalk chalk.

Kenny Pickett's hands are bigger than a skateboard. parentheses, tech deck. Kenny Pickett's hands are bigger than a Lego bionicle. I don't know what that is, but they're bigger. Kenny Pickett's hands are bigger than exhibit 164A from the OJ Simpson trial. Kenny Pickett's now, this is fairness, because everyone should go check it out.

Kenny Pickett's hands are not bigger than the Burr's Khalifa. Kenny Pickett's hands are bigger than a Pittsburgh steel adjustable wrench. Wow. That's big. That's big. These are all the things that Kenny Pickett's hands are bigger than everyone who's saying his hands are too small.

We are here to dispel that. Go visit it. Visit it often. Spread it around to the people, kennieshands.com. Do you think that Kenny's hands are bigger than more things than they are not bigger than? Yes. I think so.

Yes. Well, I mean, we could just check the site. That's true. If you hit it. It's one of those like, are there more doors or windows questions or doors or wheels in the world? Yes. I think that his hands are bigger than most things

in the world. I just did it 15 times and there was only the Burr's Khalifa. Which is maybe the biggest thing in the world. Right, which is the biggest thing in the world. So I don't really know, Kenny Pickett's hands are bigger than infant easy boost 350. Those are big. Kenny Pickett's hands are bigger than a ballpark Frank.

That's a lot of things. That's a lot of things. Wait, wait, Billy. Can you fact check this? They're bigger than the world's largest Megalodon tooth. Yeah, Megalodon's tooth is about like six by six. Okay. So they're bigger than that?

Yep. Wow. Megalodon was kind of a bitch, huh? Yeah, those teeth weren't that big. Well, no, they're big teeth. They're big teeth. They're teeth. Kenny's hands are bigger.

Kenny's hands are bigger. I was assuming if you're going to call it Megalodon, it should be mega. It's not very mega. Yeah. So yeah, go check it out, Kenny's hands.com. And then my cool throne is the Milwaukee box because they get to go to the second round

because Zach Levine has COVID for like the fourth time. So I think we all agree that the bulls were right. We're about to beat the bucks. Have a historic comeback. But Zach Levine got COVID again. Yeah, it's a tough break. Yeah. So what are you going to do?

Astrix. Astrix on this series. Something to build on. Bullshit. That was total bullshit. All right, Billy. My hot tea is Genghis Khan. According to the Smithsonian magazine,

a new study by the European Journal of Human Genetics has determined that Genghis Khan does not have the highest genetic net out of all Y chromosomes ever. So what does that mean? So remember how people used to say that Genghis Khan has 16 million descendants and has like the widest genetic spread?

Yeah, just like Seattle Slough. Yeah, in like 0.5% of the world population. Turns out he is one of 11 who has that wide of a reach by a new study. Whoa. So you divide all of his offspring by 11 is what you're saying. No, so there's another guy who they,

so there's another dynasty ruler by the name of Chin, a Chin dynasty ruler and that's Q-I-N-Q called Geo-Tanga who also has up to 16 million living descendants. So Genghis Khan is off the throne of the highest. Wow. Ooh, tough break.

That's what everybody knows him for. Tough break. Yeah. And my cool throne is Zach Wilson. There's a very funny relatable video that was going around of Zach Wilson on the golf course bantering with some people. And for some reason,

be it his PR team or even the Mormon church, that video cannot be found anymore. It's been totally scrubbed. Every time it's uploaded somewhere, it goes away. That's where you sent it to me. I know because I have it. So I have it too now. It's very relatable.

Can I see it? Can we post it? No, so I tried to blog it but it was basically not worth blogging because whatever entity out there that's having it scrubbed from the internet is doing it very well. So did you compromise me by sending it to my phone?

No. Okay. But it's on my burner account for those that know. Can you? Oh. It's a hilarious video. It's nothing bad for Zach Wilson. It's just him on a golf course bantering.

What kind of banter? It's very funny. He's just making funny jokes, but... I think you should put yourself on the cool throne too, Billy. You are one of the most fashion forward people I've ever met. I haven't seen someone wear socks with sparrows.

We're bringing back elites with sparrows. Well, I think the more questionable decision is the socks are being worn on the outside of your sweatpants. I'm tucking my sweatpants into my socks. Yeah, what's the logic behind that? He's basically Kanye. It's active wear.

Okay. Got it. It's ready for... Competitive casual. Exactly. Yeah. I just sent it to everyone. So now everyone is gonna probably get shut down

by the Mormon church. No, no, just if you post it online. Okay. Like it was on Reddit. It was on the Jets Reddit forum. It was everywhere and then all of a sudden it's disappeared. It's not even coming through to me. Yeah, it was on TikTok.

It's a very funny video. It makes Zach Wilson very relatable. He catch shadow band on iMessage because he sent this. Wow. Jake, your hot seat cool throne. Then we'll get to Tom McShay and Steven Che. My hot seat's the NBA on Christmas day. Yeah.

You saw this. So the NFL is now doing a triple header on Christmas day. So they just took over. Spain. NFL is king. This was what I think you said. It's pretty much mentally your opening day of the NBA. Christmas day.

And now it's just no one's gonna talk. Nope. I do love NBA on Christmas day. But not what NFL played. Is there any day that the NFL could not take over if they wanted to? People were saying, yeah. People were saying like, no, I actually would agree with that.

I think the novelty of March Madness. Thursday, Friday. Yeah. What if they had the draft on Thursday of March Madness? I would watch March Madness. I would too. But what do you think we get higher ratings? Probably the draft.

Yeah, because also, I mean, it's cumulative, like March Madness ratings, maybe the March Madness. But like, yeah, I mean, that would be a toe-to-toe. Yeah, the NBA, they're screwed. And I know there was a lot of NBA fans like, well, they can only do this when Christmas is on a Saturday or Sunday. Right, because they're moving the big slate to Saturday.

They did this a few years ago. Just so you know, they can do it whenever they want. Yeah. If they want to do it next year on a Tuesday, they can do that too. Yeah, Roger Goodell determined that the only rival that he had yet to conquer was Jesus. Yeah.

And so he's going to square in his sights. I think there's going to be a game, I think I read this earlier today, that there will be a game on that Black Friday after Thanksgiving. Ooh. Wait, really? Which would conflict with the USA England game,

I think, in the World Cup. Well, that already conflicts with Iowa and Nebraska. Yeah. That's true. I mean, it's an all-time color game in college football. I watch that every year. And Virginia Tech, UVA. Amazon's made a bid for a Black Friday game.

It doesn't look like it's official yet. Okay. Exploring the possibility. That would be tough for me personally. 70 to 100 million for one game. No, that's a traditional day that I need to stay the same where it's like all the games that I lost on Thanksgiving Day, I can then be like,

all right, I'm taking Iowa. Yeah. So don't do that to us. And then your cool throw? My cool throw is the Ram social media team. Yeah. Cool video about the draft. They don't even have top picks.

I started to watch the video wanting to hate it. And then halfway through, I was like, this is pretty fucking cool. Are they staying in another like sick bachelor pad? Oh yeah, that's right. I forgot they did that. They had the best house last year. Yeah.

They did. I don't know. But like who needs picks if you're winning? I guess that was probably a COVID thing. A trophy. So they probably will just be in, or no, they'll probably just be in their facility. But yeah.

I do respect the Rams just complete commitment to just paying for any free agent, never having draft picks and just saying fuck the draft in general. Yeah. Did you watch the video? It was sick. I saw it.

It was better than like most movie trailers. I saw Aaron Donald at the chalkboard, right? Yeah. I saw that part of it. Yeah. And I think was it, who's the actor that's playing Stan Cronkey? Was it Dennis Quaid?

I think Dennis Quaid was in it. So they essentially were like, we don't have to do any scouting for first and second round. So let's put all of our resources into making this awesome video. I love that. Now it could be a smokescreen.

It's a lying season. What if the Rams like trade all the next five years with the first round picks to move up into the first round. Draft that one. Into the weakest draft ever. That would be great. You never know.

Yeah. Zag on everyone's zig. All right. Let's get to our good friend, Todd McShay. And then we have Steven Shay, guys on picks after that. Before we get to Todd McShay, he's brought to you by Barstool Golf Time. That's right.

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We had Daniel Jeremiah on this week. We talked to him about this draft feeling like it isn't as, I don't know, it doesn't have the pop that past drafts have had. And I'll pose a question to you that I posed to him. Why? Is there a specific reason you could point to that's like it doesn't feel like there's as much

being talked about coming up with this draft as opposed to the last few drafts? First of all, you call me a good friend, but you only text me once a year and ask if I'll come on your show. That's true. That's a good point. That's a good point, wait.

Is that how you treat all your good friends? No, hold on. I definitely texted you before that. I definitely did. I'll find that. You answer the question, I'll find out. I'll find all the good friend stuff we did. Gotcha.

So, quarterbacks, man, that's a simple answer, right? I mean, last year we had five quarterbacks in the top 15. You know, you had three in the top four, I think it was last year. So, and Trevor Lawrence and the buildup for him going number one and the Jets gonna take Zach Wilson. I mean, there was a lot of intrigue last year. This year, the talent levels of a notch below,

just about every position too. And I, you know, it's not great to be hyping up the draft on Thursday and saying that just about every single position you go across the board. Like I would take Penae Sewell and Rashawn Slater over the top two tackles. That doesn't mean that Ikea Kwanoo from NC State

and Evan Neal from Alabama and Charles Cross from Mississippi State aren't very good. So, to me, the intrigue this year is, and I've talked to three GMs in the last five days. I've talked to 10 different teams in the last seven or eight days. Almost every single conversation starts with, I can't remember a draft where like,

you talk to a different team and like all four receivers, let's say, Drake London, Garrett Wilson, Chris Olave's teammate in Ohio State, Jameson Williams from Alabama. You can literally find teams in the league that have that four, those four in all different orders. And there are different teams that have Drake London one, Olave one, Garrett Wilson one, and Jameson Williams one.

So then you go to like Offensive Tackle. I know the Giants and the Carolina Panthers have, I should say I know, I am told and I believe, based on the source, Charles Cross from Mississippi State ahead of Ikea Kwanoo and ahead of Evan Neal. And then there are other teams, like Houston very well could take Ikea Kwanoo at number three and if he doesn't go three, he'd go four.

But every position I think is just a tick behind last year and this year's receiving group, we could have seven receivers in the first round. I would bet on, if the over unders five, I would take the old. That's crazy. So what? Which is as good as two years ago.

It's a lot like two years ago and when Henry Ruggs was the 12th overall pick, that was the first receiver off the board, but there were six first rounders. Last year there were five, but Jamar Chase, there's no Jamar Chase in this box. So is there any position, would you say like, this is the draft of X position that's better,

like unusually good, the punter, you've got Ariza, is this the draft of the punters? He's a good jumping off point edge. I think edge and wide receiver are the deepest groups. And it's weird because this year, because a lot of shortened schedules last year in 2020, due to COVID forced a lot of players to come back to try to prove that they were first rounders

or second rounders or third rounders. And so there's more talent in the third and fourth round this year than any draft I can remember in the last 20 years of doing this. But no one wants to talk about the third, fourth round, right? But I think edge, when you have potentially the top three picks coming off the board at one position that's not quarterback,

that's a big story. I mean, I think Trayvon Walker is gonna be the pick for Jacksonville, which is a surprise, but that's based on like conversations in the last three, four days, honestly. I thought all along that they would go with the solid double Aidan Hutchinson, leader, team guy, he's prepared, he has the stats,

14 sacks a year ago compared to Trayvon Walker, not in a half sacks in his entire career at Georgia. So, but you look at this position with Aidan Hutchinson, Trayvon Walker, Kavon Tibido, who is gonna go somewhere in the two, three to eight range. I'm told the parachute pick would be the Falcons at eight. But then after that, Jermaine Johnson from Florida State, George Karloftus from Purdue,

Penn State's Arnold Evacati, the Boye Mafe from Minnesota. I mean, there's a lot of edge defenders and a lot of wide receivers. And that's why I think you might see teams like the Jets who pick it four and 10, and then 35 and 38 pass on receiver early, especially at four,

because when the tackles run out, they run out. After those first three, there's Trevor Penning from Northern Iowa. And then there's a massive drop off after that. So I think tackles are gonna go quick because teams know we can't get a really, like a starting tackle day one early in the second round. I like your answer about how each team has these guys,

you know, ranked differently. Cause I think that actually plays into what we're talking about this draft, maybe not having the pop. A lot of fans go into the draft and it's almost like you have a guy circled and it's basically you go in the draft, you hope you draft the guy that everyone's saying. And then if you don't, you can bitch and moan.

Right now, everyone's going in the draft and there's basically everything's a question mark. Let me ask you this. There's a couple of teams that have multiple picks in the first round. Everyone feels like they wanna trade back, but at this point, there can't be a big market for trading back

because of this draft, correct? Like it's gonna be difficult for teams to say, oh, let's, let's punt to the future. Let's, let's get another pick next year and trade back in the first round with our second first round pick. That feels like it might not happen. Yeah, I tend to agree.

And I think as I mentioned before with offensive tackle, that could be the spot or the position that you see teams move up for. Normally it's quarterback, right? I don't think we're gonna see any movement at quarterback. In fact, I'll be shocked that if a team in the top 19 picks that didn't trade up takes a quarterback. So maybe there's a team that moves up ahead of Pittsburgh.

Maybe Pittsburgh has its eyes set on Malik Willis from Liberty and says, you know, we're not gonna wait for a team like Detroit or Atlanta or Seattle who have a bunch of picks later to try to move up ahead of us. So maybe they get out, get out ahead of the curve. But if nobody traded in the first 19 picks, I don't have a team for you that would,

would draft a quarterback. What about Carolina? Pittsburgh, what's that? No, I'm told that's not gonna happen. Really? And I was surprised when I heard the news on Friday and then I talked to two different general managers that had heard the same thing that Carolina,

I think Matt Rule wants to draft a quarterback. But Matt Rule, if things don't go well next year, isn't gonna be there. And I'm told it's kind of both sides. That Matt Rule wouldn't, wouldn't be disappointed to go be a head coach in college football again. And the organization isn't gonna let a coach that might have just one year

or maybe not even a full year left as their head coach be a major part of their decision-making for the future. So again, I don't, Atlanta at eight is not taking a quarterback. I don't see Seattle at nine taking a quarterback. I think you're gonna see the run happen where it should happen. These quarterbacks are back half of the first

and early second round quarterbacks. That's where the grades are. That's also part of it because we are now conditioned and you can go back to even the Christian Ponder draft where he was a big bust. But you have, we're conditioned that no matter what, the week of the draft or even the month of the draft, quarterbacks will start getting the buzz

and they'll start moving up the draft board. So you're saying that this might be one of the first times in a long time where the quarterbacks get picked, where they probably should get picked and there's not this crazy rush where everyone jumps up and maybe reaches a little bit. It's starting to, yeah, it's starting to look like that. Wow. Very much so.

And it's like, it's funny when you talk, because in the media, we're so conditioned that that's exactly what's gonna happen, right? Like, all right, here we go. It's mid-April. Where's the buzz? And then you hear one little whisper about, well, you know, this team can move up

and it's like, all right, it's gonna start. And everyone was like, Malik Willis, I'm here and he's going on the top 10. Tell me where. Like, I don't see it. This year's class reminds me so much of 2013. See if I can remember that. Blaine Gabbard was a surprise at three to Jacksonville, right?

Then it went to, I think, 22 with Johnny Manziel. Then Teddy Bridgewater was 32. I want to say the last pick in the first round. Then Derek Carr was early second with the Raiders. And then New England drafted Jimmy Garoppolo. I want to say it picked 62 or 64. So it reminds me a lot of that class because there could be that one wild card

that we don't foresee at this, because remember, if you remember back to 2013, I thought Bortles would be the first quarterback off the board. I didn't think it number three. I mean, that shocked everybody. Anyone who says that they knew that and did not work for the Jaguars at the time, they're lying.

So this is very similar. And it won't surprise me too. Like, if Desmond Ritter or Matt Corral or Sam Howell, very similar to Derek Carr and Garoppolo, wind up being the better quarterbacks five years from now, and they were the second round picks. I mean, it almost went in reverse order in terms of career success,

throw out Johnny Manziel in that. Really? Yeah, but Blake, I hope that's not a ricochet shot at Blake right there because he beat the Steelers in the playoffs. That's true. He did. He did Bridgewater.

Bridgewater had, I would say, would have had a little bit more sustained success. Carr, obviously, was better than Bridgewater. Garoppolo isn't better than Carr, but he's won bigger games. Yeah, so you, yeah, it was a 2014 draft. You did nail that the Teddy Bridgewater was. Was it 2014?

2014, 62 overall with Teddy Bridgewater, with Jimmy Garoppolo. But yeah, this is actually a very good comp draft where it's a lot of guys late in the first and early in the second. Now teams, let me ask this for a quarterback because we've seen it. You can even point to Teddy Bridgewater.

We saw it with Lamar Jackson when the Ravens moved up. Will there be that move up at the end of the first round because you know that you actually, you have that extra year of control for a quarterback? Was that where you could see, I mean, I don't know, you tell me what your quarterbacks ranked like Sam Howell or someone like that,

getting someone trading up into that last pick in the first round. I absolutely could see that. I've heard that Atlanta has a thing for Matt Corral. That wouldn't shock me. You see, it's strange this year because the 32nd team usually doesn't need a quarterback, right?

But Detroit made that trade. Stafford now they have the 32nd pick. And so Detroit, I don't think Detroit is hell bent on taking a quarterback. I'm certain they're not taking one or two, right? At 32, I still think they want to build their team. And then they pick a few picks later early in the second round.

So it wouldn't shock me if they came out of those first three picks without a quarterback. But if you're a team that likes a specific quarterback and you don't know, you don't know what Detroit is going to do with that 32nd pick. Yes, you want to move up ahead of Detroit. And also the wild card here, the Tennessee Titans at 26.

Ryan Tannehill turns 34 this upcoming season, I believe, 34. And his contract, it eats up a ton of cap space next year, but then they could get rid of him. They could part ways after the 2022 season, right? So draft a quarterback this year, if you're Tennessee, like if Moe Willis is there or Kenny Pickett is there, draft him, sit him, let him develop, let Tannehill go do what he did last year.

I mean, they want a bunch of big games. He bid it Tannehill did in the playoffs and they played well. So to me, it's like, all right, we're paying, I want to say it's like 38 million next year for Tannehill. And then the following year, you could be paying three or like three and a half million, four million for the next five years for the quarterback that you draft. And then you get to take that other 33 to $35 million

and go secure AJ Brown, bring in some veteran free agent. So that might be the play for Tennessee. So to me, if like it starts at 20, if there's no trades, Tennessee's kind of a wildcard at 26. Detroit at 32 is a possibility, but then Atlanta is lurking. I think they pick at 38 or 39 early in the second round and Seattle is lurking.

They pick at 40 and 41. They back to back picks early in the second round. What's the mechanics like of the actual trades on draft night? If you're a GM and you're going into the draft, you already have an idea of like, which teams you're going to contact when it's your turn to choose. And then who might be interested, who might not be,

or are you sending out like 30 text messages to every GM you know, being like, hey, if you want to move up, I'm looking to deal right now. Some of your best offer. How does that work? Well, a lot of those calls have been going on for like the last week and will continue to go on this week. Kind of just playing scenarios.

Okay, if you know, don't be surprised if you get a call when you come on the clock. I'm not telling you who we're looking for, but if the draft goes a certain way and you don't iron out details now necessarily, but you kind of, you can get into discussions on what would it take? You know, if we're sitting here,

I don't just throw in a number, a number nine, but we want to get to six. Like what would that take? And try to like get a parameter done so that when you're on the clock, you're not starting from scratch and negotiating back and forth. So a lot of teams are working that out right now.

It'll be interesting. I've heard, I've heard Houston, they pick at three and 13. There are a lot of, every GM I've talked to, is says like, we kind of know that the edge rushers are going one, two, whether it's Trayvon Walker or Hutchinson or Hutchinson, Trayvon Walker.

But at three, Houston could go Iki Iquano and offensive tackle. I heard they actually like Derek Stingley, the head of sauce gardener at the cornerback position. They're one of a few teams I've now heard that have that, that flipped. And then, and then they also love Garrett Wilson. They're not taking Garrett Wilson at three,

but because they have so many picks this year, they could try to package a couple later picks to move up from like 13 to maybe, let's say nine, right, with Seattle to get ahead of the Jets in Washington, because the Jets will have a wide receiver need. I think they'll go a different position. Could be cornerback, offensive tackle at number four.

And then the Jets will be sitting there at 10 with maybe like Drake London sitting on the board or Garrett Wilson, if Drake London goes eight to Atlanta. Because I think the receivers will start to come off the board at eight. But then you've got 10 with the Jets, 11 with Washington need wide receiver. If Houston likes Wilson as much as my Intel is saying,

then it wouldn't surprise me if they moved up and it got in the top 10. The chargers really want to get an offensive tackle. Don't be surprised. They're a player or two away. Don't be surprised if they package and picks to move up. If like Evan Neal is still available, if it goes Ikiakwano at three or four.

And then Charles Cross goes number five. It wouldn't shock me if they tried to move up. Carolina wants an offensive tackle, but they also want picks because they don't pick in the second or third round and they've got a bunch of needs. So that could be a team that winds up moving out of six to allow the chargers to come in to get an attack.

So when you're doing all your, you obviously have your own film study, but then you're talking to GMs. Is there ever, especially during draft week, is there ever a case where you talk to someone and you're like, I think this guy's just trying to get me to get some smoke out there? Like, has that happened to you?

So do you- Yeah, absolutely. So when that happens, do you, do you like, all right, I'm not trusting this person anymore? Are you like, okay. Totally. Okay, so that does happen. Yeah, I had a good friend once feed me information

that was not true. And it done, like they're a guy of friends, like real friends, like that I had past history. Like us. Whether we're going to school or working with whatever. Yeah, me and you, we're real friends. Yeah, exactly. Right.

Text all the time. Right. And he gave me information that the organization specifically asked him to give to me to get it out there because they were trying to maneuver around and make sure that a player got picked before so the player that they wanted would get to him. And I haven't trusted them since.

I was like 12 years ago. Wow. I'm still friends with them, like friendly and talk. But yeah, but I keep a list of, I have like these little note cards. I keep a list of like anything that like jumps out. You know, cause most of the time you're just talking scenarios and then going through position group rankings, right?

Like this is how we have them. That way I keep a list of like, all right, you know, team X has this, team Y has these receivers, team G has these receivers ranked in that order. But then I also, if something really jumps out, I keep a separate sheet of like, all right, they gave me something very specific that was kind of out of character.

Did this happen? If like the potential was there for that situation to occur, did it happen or did they go the exact opposite way? And that's who you learn. I mean, I know there are four guys in the league that I know they're not gonna lie to me. Right. There are probably eight or nine other guys that,

let's say they're 80%ers, you know, and nothing has been blatant, but there are a few that I just, it's good to talk ball with and get their feel on some positions, but I know that when it comes, like the last 10 days before the draft, their agenda is to use me to try to,

you know, move the board a little bit. You got a burn book, I like that. You should start using us. So when you know that someone's lying to you, you should give that to us and we will put it out. Cause we don't care about being wrong ever. Right. No, that's become very clear.

We in fact embrace it. Yes. Exactly. That's actually like, like do you think there's a space for us in the NFL draft world where if PFT and I, just specifically our only use is for teams to give us bogus stories that we then push.

Worst buzz. Yeah. Top 10 worst buzz. Yes. These are things you absolutely, like Detroit is taking Malik Willison too. Yeah, I heard that too. Yeah, I just heard that, yeah.

We should get Billy's dog to be the draft expert that puts out all the bogus takes. Yeah. We can do it. A strong buzz about Malik Willis to Detroit. At two. Kenny Pickett is a lock to go. Matt ruled, recruited him, temple, the whole thing.

He's a lock. I'm told it's, it's already done. They're working on the contract. Speaking of which we have, so we're going to run this on Wednesday. We were going to debut. We have a new website that you should check out. It's called kennyshands.com

and it's everything that Kenny Pickett's hands are bigger than. So I don't know if you, Not much. No, actually. Todd, Todd, Todd, Todd. How about a Swisher's sweet pack? Bigger than that.

A ballpark Frank, bigger than that. A John Deere utility tractor, not bigger than that. So you could just hit the button over and over and see what his hands are bigger than. They're bigger than a lot of things. Is that when his thumbs disjointed or is that when they stretch enough? He's got perfectly normal thumbs, Todd.

Yeah. Okay. Yeah. It's totally fine. Where's a glove? What else do you want? This is why I like coming on the week of the draft to hit my final word on guys.

Yeah. So all right. So along those lines, when it comes to hand size, when it comes to loving the game, when it comes to, I don't know, 40 time, those are all tie breakers for you, right? Or is there a specific attribute

that is not a tie breaker that is a building block? Like, cause I've always assumed when you're talking about hand size, obviously you want bigger hands and smaller, but if the guy's really good, it doesn't matter as much. Yeah. I mean, to me, a cornerback that's probably, there's no position that is driven more by numbers and specifically 40 time and arm length.

I mean, that's critical because it's like, you know, a fraction of a second, it's inches. So like a cornerback with 31 and a half inch arms versus a corner with 33 and a half inch arms, it sounds ridiculous, but you take that extra two inches and you add it to a four, three, nine versus a four, four, nine.

Like that can be the difference in like five pass breaks or breakups a year or an interception or two. Yeah. And getting back into a play when you, when you get out of phase. So that, like that position you weigh it more. There are some positions like you just kind of have,

I've kept logs and logs and have all these analytics of what's most important, like the short shuttle for interior offensive linemen is critical. Who would have thought like, right? But it's just that short area burst and like the mirror and slide lateral ability and body control, staying under control when you're trying to go full speed

and then have to reverse direction. So there are definitely things that I weigh a lot more. It's not like how, you know, height, weight, 40 time and bench press. I mean, bench presses is one of the most useless things in my opinion in scouting. Disagree. But it would be pretty cool to get 42 reps though.

Yeah. I mean, how else do you know how sweet a dude is? It's the most fun. It's the most fun event at the comma. I mean, there's like a crowd around the scouts. You get the weight coach, you know, the trainer standing behind screaming at the guy. All the teammates are sharing them on, punch them to check just before you get to like,

that's fun. It's a fun event to watch. But like, what did I learn when it stopped? Yeah, this dude's strong. Yeah, no shit. He played college football for three years. Right. He's been in a weightlifting environment before.

Yes. Yeah. We were talking the other day about comparing this draft to like players that are currently in the league. So doing the thing where you're like, if Tom Brady, at his age right now was coming out of college, where would you have Tom Brady going? Ooh, that's a good one. I mean, he's going in the first, but probably a little bit

later to a team that legitimately has a chance to make a title run. But does he really love football? It's wasted on the Jags and Detroit and the Jets and all those teams that are picking in the top 10 for the most part. But yeah, I could see a team that's a quarter back away or needs an upper.

Like Tennessee, yeah, give me one year. Give me one year and we can win this whole thing. What about Aaron Donald? I mean, he'd go in the first round again. Because I think Aaron Donald's got two, three. I mean, if he wants to, he's got three, four left in. Yeah. At elite level, yeah.

You know you're getting at least one year. And if you're going to draft him in the first, you've got to at least get, I would say, two to three out of them. Who do you have number one on your big board? Aiden Hutchinson. I mean, out of players that are currently in the NFL. Oh. The big big team.

Oh yeah, that's actually good. Would it be Patrick Mahomes? Josh Allen. I would go Mahomes. Yeah. Yeah. I tell you what though, I'm going to get four years out of Aaron Rodgers and MVP, MVP.

Like, I don't know. A lot of headache though. A lot of headache. Aaron Rodgers goes to the Jaguars. Are they an instant contender? I don't have to coach him. I just have to draft him. Yeah.

Yeah, that's true. Aaron Rodgers what? If he goes to the Jaguars, are they an instant contender? Yeah. Yeah, in that division. Yeah, they would be. I mean, to get in the playoffs, I mean, not Super Bowl, but to get in the playoffs, they would be in that division.

What's some, when you're like re-grading, do you go back and re-grade your own drafts? Or do you go back and look at all these drafts from the past to try to figure out, OK, what was wrong? Or I guess my question is, how do you decide what's a success or not? Is it years? Is it, you know, like if a guy, you

draft a guy in the second round, he starts for you for four years. Is that a great pick? Yeah, if he starts and plays at a good level. I mean, Pro Bowl is so watered down, but all pros obviously are kind of the standard. Yeah. If you get a second contract out of first round pick,

you did your job. I mean, there are different elements to that. And obviously, we're seeing a lot more trades and the wide receivers moving around and all that. But I think if you get a set, the goal is to get a player who comes in in the first round, comes in and is giving starter quality reps year one and then becomes one of the best players on your team.

And then you get signed into a second contract. So now you've got eight, nine years out of a player. That to me is kind of the standard that you set. And history shows, if you get three quality starters out of a draft, you can replenish your roster. Obviously, a free agent or two here and there. But if you get fewer than three in a draft, you're in trouble. And that's why teams are so friendly.

Scouting used to be 80, 20 with tape versus character and durability. And now it's close to the opposite. I mean, obviously, you've got to figure out who can play and who can't play. But so much of it is figuring out who the guy is. More money, more free time, more fame than a human being has ever had.

How's he going to handle that? And that's why every team in the league has a psychologist. And they try to weed out some of these guys. And that's why there are some real surprises sometimes in the first round. OK, so here and there, like, wait, why didn't he go in the first round? Well, he failed a bunch of teams' psychological tests.

Or the medical wasn't as good. It's crazy. You can talk to teams. What do you think the medical on Jameson Williams is? And one team will be like, oh, he's had a schedule not worried at all. Another team would, well, we don't think we're going to have him for eight weeks in the rookie

season. He's not going to be as explosive the entire rookie season. We're hoping, you know, so we've bumped him down. And some teams just take players off the board. And then other teams will still have him on their board. So that's a tough read every year. Yeah, that's interesting in psychology. I got one name in particular that I'm curious about.

It's Kyle Hamilton, because he's an awesome player. But every year, the best safeties, they tend to fall a little bit, because you can make the argument that a safety isn't worth a first round pick, unless it's like an Ed Reid or a Sean Taylor type of guy, which those guys come along like once a decade. But I feel like Kyle Hamilton is one of the best players in this draft.

Is there any chance that he would be worth a top 10 pick? I think he's one of the seven best players in the draft. I do. I think he could go seven to the Giants. But I think that's when the draft starts for Kyle Hamilton. The 4-5-9 didn't help him in the 40-yard dash, and then running a 4-7 on some Scouts watches at the pro day. That's not a, it's part of the reason

why he could side a little bit. If you're going to take a risk on a player at that position, he better check, it better be check plus in every box, right? And so now, all right, I'm going to spend, I'm going to spend a top five, seven pick when I could get a wide receiver, a corner, an offensive tackler, an edge rusher. I got to know this guy is damn near perfect, right?

And Kyle Hamilton on tape is damn near perfect. I love his tape. You can play him at Diamond Linebacker. You can play him as the overhang in the slot there. He could play, you know, a single high, two high safety. He has great range versus the run, good tackler, great ball skills, plays faster than that 4-5-9. So like, to me, I love his tape,

but I've heard from two different teams that made good points like, it's not that we don't value safety. It's that if you're going to take a safety, you better be a player or two away from making a run. Like when we're picking in the top 10, it's got to be foundation pieces. You know, like if it's not a quarterback,

it's got to be an offensive tackler. You got to protect that guy behind you. You got to get after that guy and the other team. Give me a pass rusher, whether it's interior or on the edge, typically it's edge guys. And then, and then wide receiver, you could argues become the second most valuable position in the NFL, just look at all the contracts this off season.

So, and corner too. So like all of those positions are there and they can be like critical elements of what you're doing. Safety has become more and more important as teams have gotten bigger slot receivers and flexed out tight ends and work in the middle of the field,

but and with so many teams and spreads and going tempo. And when you're stuck, like if I have a safety that can play free safety, like moving strong safety, you can play timeline backer, you can play overhand. I can stay in the same personnel and line up and just move him around rather than seven guys in and out. But to answer your question,

I think it starts at seven with the Giants, but then he gets into trouble because it's not going eight to Atlanta. That's going to be a wide receiver and a rusher. Nine, I'm told is Davis, the big nose tackle, Jordan Davis from Georgia. Or if it's not, it could be an offensive tackle. 10 is not going to be a safety.

I would be very surprised if the Jets took me 10. 11 could be Hamilton, but I'm told they really like Chris Olave, the wide receiver from Ohio State, the commander still. So then you get down to like 13 with Houston. If they don't trade out is a possibility. Yeah. Yeah.

I actually, you brought up something there that's interesting. He said like one scout or a couple of scouts had him timed a little bit slower. If you're scouting scouts, like who are the best scouts in the game? Who's got the best time? Who's the guy that you're like,

you know, these guys rarely miss on somebody. I'll say Kevin White with the Ravens cause he worked with me for 10 years. So that's an easy out. But you know, I mean, it is strange like the 40 time on thumb, that like literally, but just your instinct or catching him to take off could be like

the difference between a 4-4-3 and a 4-3-9, you know? So it's just over time. But it's, but it also was amazing. Like I've done a bunch of like the more you, it's like anything, the more you do it, it's consistent. You can almost eyeball it. I can tell you within, you know, a 10th of a second, usually like where, where a guy is.

Wow. Just start doing that. Just by like watching, watching the tape or do you have to be there in person? Be there in person. That's cool. Be there in person. Yeah.

That's like a, We play that game all the time at the combine where we're sitting there for like four, you know, we're just like everybody five of us like 4-4-3, 4-4-4, 4-4-7, 4-4-9. Is there any guy that's been way faster than you thought he was? Some guy that looks like he's running slow

than they show the time. You're like, holy shit. Breeze Hall surprised me. You know, I knew like I heard reports that he had good time speed. He has some speed, it's buildup speed, but Breeze Hall, his workout was outrageous. He could be coming out of Iowa State. I mean, almost 4,000 yards rushing,

catches the ball really well. It's kind of like Levy on Bell, but a little bit more annoying in terms of the patience. Like patience to a fault sometimes. It's like, come on, let's go. But when he gets going, he breaks a lot of tackles and he does have a second gear. But I didn't think he was going to,

what are you running, a 4-3-8 or something? Like it was ridiculous when he ran it at like 217 pounds. He's the only back. And I think Kenneth Walker from Michigan State is a better pure runner. But I think if one back is going to go in the first round, I would say it's Breeze Hall. And I think the most likely team to take him

would be the Bills of 25. Ooh, I like that pic. All right, so Todd, this has been awesome. I had one last question. It's the rowback question put in promo code take for 20% off the first purchase. R-H-O-B-A-C-K dot com. Use promo code take for 20% off.

Q-Zips, hoodies, all of it with rowback. All right, so we try to let our fans sound smart on draft night. I posed this question to Daniel Jeremiah. I'm wondering your take. What are the few teams that they just nail a position over and over? He said Steelers Wide Receiver.

But give me another team or front office where you're like, if they pick this position, you would put your life on the line that that guy's going to pan out. So that listeners of this show, when they're watching with their buddies, they can be like, oh, there we go. You know, whatever. Texans, they just pick the cornerback. They always get that.

He's going to be good. The Bengals have been really good at Wide Receiver. Yep. If you think about it over the years, like even going back to like Hushman Zata and Chad Johnson, you know, it seems like they always have a good receiver. The Patriots with like defensive front seven guys, they can't pick a receiver running back or cornerback

to save their life. You know, typically, you know, there've been a couple of exceptions here and there, but anytime they go all in on a guy in the first couple of rounds of Wide Receiver running back or corner, it's been a crapshoot. It's been way less than 50-50 hits. But usually defensive front seven guys, they're good at. OK, that's a good answer too.

Yeah. What about how many Georgia players you think are going to play in the first round? Ooh, good question. Let's see. Thank you. Great question. We've got, Nikoby Dean is the 0.5 on this whole thing.

But at Trayvon Walker, Jordan Davis. Am I missing anybody else? Let me see. I don't think, I think it's two. Stetson Bennett, if he had come out. Oh, Devontae Wyatt. Stetson Bennett. I've heard that.

Devontae Wyatt, defensive tackle. Nikoby Dean to me is the first round pick. But I'm told by multiple teams, there's a really good chance that he's early second. He was the best linebacker in football. He was the best player on that defense. I mean, I know he doesn't play Andrew Usher or defensive tackle. But Nikoby Dean's a stud.

And he's still available. But then you also have, like, Kway Walker in the second. Channing Tindall, the other linebacker is going to go second or third. Now, that group, you could make an argument that was the best defense in the history of college football. Yeah, they were insane. Yeah, they really were.

You mentioned to Lavey, is there any chance, like, just give me a percentage of just something greater than 0% that the commanders take a quarterback? I'll give you 0.5%? I think it's 0. What the fuck? You and Shepter just lived to fucking twist knives in my heart. Telling you the truth.

I wake up in the morning. I hate the truth. I don't like the truth. The truth is real. Lie to me. Yeah, I mean, listen, it would make sense for the future. But I mean, we're talking about the commanders now, you know? Yeah.

But also, though, all reality, who's going to be an upgrade over Carson Wentz in this class? No one. Yeah, no one. Right? He's great. He's a great quarterback. So let's go see what we can do next year.

And then, like, next year's quarterback class is shaping up to be similar to last year. I mean, you could have four or five first-rounders. And it starts with Bryce Young from Alabama, CJ Stroud from Ohio State. Yeah, I just think that with the position that Snyder's in right now, you've got Ron Rivera. He doesn't need to do the thing where he drafts a quarterback

to try to extend himself by another season. He doesn't need to extend his contract. He knows that Snyder's probably not going to fire him now, because he's too busy looking after his own ass. So I think you're probably right. I just wish that the number was greater than 0.5%. That's all. Sorry to disappoint, but.

Well, Todd, thank you as always. Also, I'm going to text you more. I just think it's because, you know, we work with Dave and Elio's all around, so it feels like you're here. Your presence has always felt. How's it been with Elio, my good boy? He's crushing it. He's just the best.

There's no one who does videos like he does on Twitter. And he also, something about his Twitter experience, I love so much, where he's so genuine. And he'll retweet people who give him compliments, whether sarcastic or not. He'll like, when people are mean to him, he'll be like, I got four kids, I'm trying the best I can. It's just, it's beautiful.

It's a beautiful thing. He's been like this. I mean, I've known him since he was like 19. He's been like, I would always love having class with him. He would sit in the back of class and be like, sheet, sheet. And the teacher would be like, looking around, Professor Wood, sheet. And then they sometimes he'd come into class with anarchy.

Just constant. He couldn't get through a class without making a scene. He's like a 19, 20 year old adult. It's not like you're 13 years old in middle school. Yeah, character issues. He's never had to grow up, which is why I love him. It is. That's true.

He's found a way. A lot of us are in that same boat. Well, Todd, thank you and good luck on Thursday night. You got it, fellas. Take care. Todd McShay was brought to you by Chevy Trucks. It's almost draft day and everybody's got an idea of what their team needs.

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Former senior, but you made a mistake, many mistakes. So you're a junior analyst now. For people who don't know Steven, he's been on the show before. You are obsessed with the NFL Draft. How many NFL Drafts have you gone to? Seven, maybe? Six or seven?

Yes. Kind of. When it was in New York now that it's on the road and now I'm doing stuff here, I don't go anymore. But I went from everyone from 2005 through 2012. What's your favorite draft memory? My favorite draft memory. The first.

Can I rephrase? Yeah. When is the time that you knew that you were in love with the NFL Draft? So I don't know how they do it now. How they used to do it was you would show up in New York City. I went to the one at the Javits Center and then it was at Radio City for a long time.

You'd show up the night before. So you'd take the day off from work? No. So I would go. I mean, it used to be on Saturday. Oh, yeah, yeah, right, right. Friday night, right after work, put your football jersey on. Football hasn't been on for two, three months.

You'd wait in line with hundreds, almost thousands of other fans in football jerseys. Up for three figures. Yep. No, I've seen this scene because it's all the famous fans are there. Oh, yeah. When I was in Chicago, I went and talked to them.

The Raiders guy up. So you camp out like it's Black Friday? Yes. And then you used to wait on the line until? Inline. Inline. No, it's just a dumb internet argument. It's so fucking stupid.

Yeah, no, you can literally say whatever you want. I don't care. When you're on Long Island, you say inline. And when you're in Long Island, you say online. I went to college in Long Island, which was some of the time. We ran a 4-4-40. No big deal. That's correct.

Hand timed, so unofficial, and out of a two-point stance, but still happened. Billy looks like he's going to puke. All right, keep going. Sue, just be talking with all these super fans about your team needs and be like, oh, you're next to a Bears fan? Oh, like, how are you guys feeling about this season

or whatever? Everyone, every single person has an NFL magazine, like a draft magazine that's very outdated and just going off of this and just saying about how they really like this player, this player, and that is the absolute best. And then this would go on for about 12 hours. So you wouldn't sleep. You wouldn't sleep.

I would like the morning of. They usually give it the wristbands around 4 to 7 AM. And then you go home, then come back. Now, when you're in line or online, would there be any celebrities like if Mel Kuiper walks by as everyone's like, holy fuck, Mel Kuiper? Not at that time, because that's just like all those people already have been.

The first year I went, Golic came online the next day when we were in line to get into the place. Which Golic? My Golic. Senior, senior, senior, senior. This was 2005. OK. But yeah, it's just.

What happened there? You just saw him? He actually came over and talked to me. Really? Out of like all the people. He knew that he's got an eye for talent. He said, you know what? He said, you know what?

This is a special boy. Yeah, this guy. I was a huge mic and mic. I'm more of a greenie guy. Do you think that he was kind of a make-a-wish thing where he was like, oh, this little kid, I'm going to. And he's like a 22-year-old Steven Chadd. He just recognized that he saw the twinkle in this young man's

eye and said, this guy, this guy watches ball. Yeah, he's going to someday be the junior draft analyst at Barstool Sports. I mean, it's 2005. I was wearing a Buckster's. We had the fifth pick. He came out and asked me some Buck stuff. Are you a guy that would ever boo your team at the draft?

No. You're going there to support your team. That's a disgusting question. I mean, you see the Jets fans do it. I love that. That's maybe my favorite part of the draft, because like when Jets and Eagles fans know it's all through their first round pick.

It's the future. But there's something that's so beautiful to me about how abused a fan base can be where they immediately boo their own future. Yeah, that's true. No, it is great, but Steven would never. But on the flip side of that, it is extremely exciting. And it's kind of diminished now with the leaking of picks.

But I guess one of my favorite memories would be 2009 when the Jets took Sanchez. And they traded up. And it was a big thing. And you don't know what's happening. And then Tagli Buregdell would come out and be like, all right, there's been a trade, and nobody has the information yet. So then they cut to Mark Sanchez in the green room,

and everybody's going crazy around him. And then you see the Jets are on the clock, and they're about to take this time. That is the ultimate draft moment. Now, you wouldn't boo, but you would cry, because you did cry when the Bucks picked Devin White, number five overall. And then he became a stalwart of a championship defense.

But you did cry. We were sitting next to you. I didn't cry. You cried. I was upset. Ah, you cried a little. I was pretty upset. The guy wanted in a position of need,

the top guy who wasn't expected to fall to number five, Josh Allen, not the quarterback, Josh Allen. The Eddresher from Kentucky fell. And he's right there. It seemed like a layup pick. So do you want to apologize to Devin White? Oh, you'd still rather have Josh Allen. No, no, no.

Devin White's been awesome. I mean, he helped one of his boys. Incredible, I suppose. So are you going to apologize to him? Like, that's the biggest day of his life. And he goes on the internet, and he sees Steven Chen in a Bucks jersey crying, because he's like, this guy stinks.

Wasn't true. I should have statement shortly after, to congratulate him and welcome to the team. But how many people saw that statement, as opposed to the initial reaction? Right. That's a fair point. Yep, yep, it is a fair point.

Why didn't you delete the original post? Uh, I don't know, I mean, did I even post it? I don't know. You probably posted it. I think I posted it. I think Big Cat, but why didn't you ask Big Cat to delete his post? I would never.

Journalist integrity. Yeah, fun fact. I also gave Devin White. It's not going to be a fun fact, by the way. It is. That's what I understand. I gave Devin White. I literally don't care what you gave him.

This is actually very significant. You could have given him AIDS, and I would be like, no. Was your fun fact yesterday? You had a fun fact yesterday that was like the... Oh, it was just a coincidence. Yeah, it was the opposite of fun. It was, all right, so go ahead. Fun fact.

That's not going to be fun. Devin White was going to wear number 41. And I almost never DM athletes any specific things. You should honor our president by wearing number 45. No, so he said he wanted to wear number 40, because that was his number at LSU. But he came out for a photo shoot in number 41. And he wanted to wear Mike Ulster's number,

but it's retired, so he couldn't. So he just picked 41, and I wrote him a message. I was like, hey, his hashtag in college was Get Live 40. Cool. So I messaged him. I was like, hey, 41, that's all right. But I was like, 45 is available. That's a linebacker number two.

What about Get Live 45? He changed his number that day. And the next shoot. You were the guy. OK, I was wrong. That was fun. That was pretty the fun fact. So if his number goes up in the Ring of Honor one day

with the Bucks, part of me will be up there. A very small part of me will be there. You're the five. Just the five. You're the guy behind the guy, which is actually more important than being the guy. And he wrote back to the DM with a bunch of question marks. No, you get full credit.

I've heard enough. So maybe someday he goes into Canton. I would think maybe you would give him an introduction. I would almost rather the Bucks Ring of Honor, because that's like his numbers there. That's higher than Canton. That's bigger than Canton. I mean, that's the same forever.

In a way, Bucks Ring of Honor always supersedes the pro football hall of fame. The five is your number being retired. That's true. As a fan. That's true. Who would you say is the best super fan? Of the Bucks or any team?

Of the Bucks. Buck Nasty. He's in the fan hall of fame. He's the guy with the feet standing in the horn on the helmet. Is it Bucks Ring of Honor, fan hall of fame, pro football hall of fame? It's different. I mean, I could be a fan that's in the Bucks Ring of Honor.

You could also be a fan that's in the pro football hall of fame, too. Now, do you think they'll ever maybe just fan section? Like, forget the Devin White part. Do you think they'll ever just put Steven J. in the Bucks Ring of Honor? I'm not rolling it out. Yep.

I knew that. I knew that would be your answer. All right. OK, let's do some questions. Yeah, before we get to the guys on picks, I had a question for you because we talked about it very briefly on Monday's show. But I'm challenging DK Metcalfe to a Decathlon.

And I was wondering, is there any chance? What do you know about the five-yard dash? It's an event that I invented. There's a 40-yard dash, and you can take the 10-yard split from that, which I've never heard of in the five. A five-yard dash. Is it advantageous to have long legs when you're running? I would think so, right?

Because you can basically do that in one bound. So once you get out of your stance, you take one. And he's, what, 6'4"? What if I get off to a real good start, though? I mean, you're going against a world-class athlete. So I think it would be tough to, and a guy who has a track background. So I figure he's not going to have a,

even if you have an incredible start, you're probably at best even with him. OK. All right, cool. So I can tie him. Got it. Thank you. That's all I need to hear.

I mean, you beat him in a race already, so I don't know why he's going to prove more. I used to challenge people to a short 10-yard swimming race, because I do think I could beat a lot of people in that. But that's a little bit different than a dash, because that's more like your push-off and everything. Yeah. I think I could take him five yards.

I really do. I got great get-offs, Steven. I mean, if you got a good get-off, yeah. OK, should we do the picks, or the questions about the picks? Guys on picks. All right. Are you going to get into serious Steven Chey voice? Yeah.

Actually, I shouldn't say anything. You will. But I'm looking forward to this. OK, go ahead. Everyone note the difference in Steven's tone when we start talking about this. I don't even know what type of questions to expect, because I obviously am a multi-time AWL,

and listen to the show, obviously. So is it going to be actual, like, serious track questions? If you could suck off any of the prospects in this year's draft, who would it be? Wait, you're going to actually answer this. OK, go ahead. Oh, I thought that was a question. There's no brain quite like yours.

All right, Chey, go ahead. All right, what's up, Box Monster Chey? True. Chey is Junior Soprano around these walls. Is there a QB? The greatest pussy eater we've ever met. Pleasure woman. Is there a QB who you think can actually make a difference

if he starts right away? Also, thank you for the data. Oh, you're welcome. Follow at Trust the Data for all my gambling picks. And I'll have NFL Draft Props out tomorrow. Love it. Quarterback that can start right away. Kenny Pickett from Pitt is the most pro ready guy.

I kind of like Desmond Ritter as Cincinnati. Talk to us about Desmond Ritter. Cincinnati is like NFL comp is like Marcus Mariota, so it's not great. We have to take into account that the draft this year is watered down. Typically, there's like 18 to 24 players universally that all GMs agree are like first run picks.

These guys are guys. This year, it's like I've heard like 12 to 16, which is like bad. That hurt you personally? I mean, it sucks because you want something to look forward to. What is kind of cool is like, you know, we're taping this on what day is today? Tuesday.

Tuesday at 12.15. Like, we don't know who the first pick is going to be. Right, that is cool. Yeah, you're right. There is some intrigue around that. And I'm sure the NFL is trying to keep that quiet. But like, betting lines are changing like crazy. Like, right now, as we tape, Trevon Walker

is the favorite to go number one. A month ago, he was 30 to 1 to go number one. He hasn't played any games since then. So like, what exactly has changed? But as far as like the quarterbacks, yeah, like, ideally, you're going to have like a guy who's going to be, you know, Joe Burrow. There was, you know, he was the number one pick.

But like the tank for two, like people that are going to be like, all right, no doubt, slam dunk. Number one, he's where the game is going, so that's not the case this year. And we're seeing like, Malik Willis' line, like he was, you know, favored to go in the top 10 as of like two days ago, and now he's sliding down it. He might not go in the top 12 to 15.

And that could be interesting. So what, in your expert opinion, is the reason why this draft is so bad? Why are college football players shit compared to two years ago? I mean, I don't think there's necessarily like, they're much worse. It's just like, there isn't a guy like next year

with, you know, the address right of Emma Will Anderson. Like he's a guy that people are like looking forward to, even though he's not like the premier, like quarterback position. But you just don't have a guy that like took over a college football, like if we look at mock drafts from like a year ago, the like way too early ones, like Sam Howell was a projected number one overall pick,

and he's not going to be a first rounder. Can I coach you up a little bit on that? That's more a test of how strong your take game is. The answer is name, image, and likeness made college kids not want to play sports as hard anymore. So they're not working out. That's why this draft is bad.

But I mean, like next year's draft is probably going to be pretty good. Like we already got like a blue, but like it changes. Like he could be terrible. Have you thought at all about like the 20, 41, no, 20, yeah, 20, 20, 40 and 20, 41 drafts and what the impact of COVID with births in America is going to do those draft classes?

With births in America? Births. Oh, births. It's all the COVID sperm. Yeah. No, there's less, no, no, there was less childbirth in like 2021. Have you thought about that? I didn't even know that.

No, so no. Teams should probably start getting their ducks in a row. Scholarships are going to be down. Yeah. I mean, we got to focus on winning the day. We can't really think about 20 years with them down the road. Yeah. Give me one bust. Who's going to be a bust this year?

We're going to hold you. It's always hard to say. Last year he had Devonte Smith. This is going to be awesome. I didn't say no. We're going to be able to follow you this entire year and each time this player does anything good. Last year he had Devonte Smith

that does not have an NFL body bust. No, my tweet started out during the national championship game with, I think Devonte Smith will be a great pro, but I can't see a team picking him in the top 10. As he was torching, torching Ohio State. Okay. He got picked 10th. He wouldn't have gotten picked 10th. He did. No, no, he got picked top 10.

Top 10. That's a fact. A team traded up to get him. That is a fact. It was a bad take. That's a fact. It was very close to being an incredible take. But it wasn't. I think it was a bad take.

I respect the take. I respect that you said it no matter how wrong it was. So who's your bust this year? Steven Shea's guaranteed bust of the 2022 NFL draft. It's hard because like I want to say Trayvon Walker, just because like I'm a Traits Over Production guy and that's what the whole draft is about. You don't have to have like incredible.

That's how you got led to Devonte Smith being a bust. Traits Over Production. That's literally how it happened. He did it. He had a Heisman Trophy year, but his legs were skinny. I mean, he was, there were rumors that he was playing at like 155 pounds.

I know. There were whispers. Go and Trayvon Walker, yeah. So I mean, he has everything you want. He's 6'6", he's 270 pounds. You're in a 4'5", like great. Super long. It's 35.5 and a half inch arms.

Like we haven't seen it on the field. Like playing on a loaded defense. You think if you're playing on a loaded defense, you're going to get a lot more single, you know, single rush opportunities. You're going to make a difference. He had six sacks, seven and a half tackles per loss. He didn't have a single game with like more than one sec.

Like what are we doing here? Like Duke Manyweathers, like a great offensive line guy. Put out just a ton of cut-ups this morning on Evan Neal, just who's a left tackle for Alabama versus Trayvon Walker, just absolutely dominating him. So it's like, why are we valuing this guy who on an incredible defense?

Like if he's on a no-name, like he wouldn't stand out. Like he's on an incredible defense. He should have the opportunity to eat and he is not doing that consistently. But Trace. Wait, you're the Trace guy. Yeah, Trace. You just made a strong argument

in the case of production. You need to have some production. He did not. Like he just didn't. So what are we looking for? He's not refined. He's not like a technician. He's a freak athlete.

That's cool. But like not a lot of those guys when you get to the league where everyone is a freak athlete, like succeed. So I would say if I would pick one bust, it would be him. The other flag that I would have, and there's a lot of smoke around this guy is Kevan Thibodeaux.

He was the projected number one pick going into, you know, early in the year. He's fallen off a little bit. And I love hearing these. I don't love hearing these, but they're always interesting to hear these like red flags around guys. Like does he love football?

Football, yeah. This guy has like a ton of outside interest. He started his own cryptocurrency. So, all right, here's a hypothetical. If we could just, if science was so advanced, we could take Steven Shea's brain and put it into Kevan Thibodeaux's body. Would he be the number one pick?

Kevan Thibodeaux doesn't have the idea, but Trayvon Walker, probably. No, no, no, no, no. But you're a brain, like you're a love of football. Oh, I see what you're saying. He'd be the greatest player of all time. I mean, he'd be extremely dedicated to his craft. He has very little outside interests

and just focused on football. We can say Billy. What are your thoughts on Malik Willis? Okay. I like him. I just want to hear what you think about him. Where do you think he's going? All stuff.

Sure. So, he's not ready right now. Like people, you know, the immediate thing is like, he went to Liberty. Like he was at Auburn. He transferred. He's not ready. I know like Dan Orlowski like loves him.

And like he does have like a lot of fans and he's getting a lot of like top 10, top 15 grades from like NFL GMs. But again, we're talking about a watered down class. If we're talking about him in like a good year of quarterbacks and regular draft picks, he's like a borderline, like first round guy. I definitely think he's a first round player

and he probably has the most upside of any quarterback in this draft. He's not tall. He's like around six feet, but he is like a thick boy. Like he's, you know, 220. So he can sustain hits. He's very mobile. He's got a very strong arm,

but like you win games from like in the pocket and he is still refining that. That's not to say he's not going to be a very good player because there are a lot of very good guys like that can succeed at the NFL like that, but like he needs a lot of seasoning. What about Pete Prisco's take that he's a running back? Can you just say that he's running back

so we can clip it for social and then he'll post it on his accounts? He has good sides for a running back. Yeah, thick boy. Yeah, he's a thick boy. Okay. Next one, Jake. Good answer, Steven.

Thank you. Sub senior draft analyst, Steven. That's wrong. Daddy cats. Oh, actually, no, that's correct. We offered him the, he can either be junior draft analyst or senior draft analyst, but not senior.

Senior. You already picked junior. I think on this, on this show, I don't think that you, you have the eligibility for that title. Yeah. You're junior. Okay.

You never promoted you on this show. Short king PFT, honks, William, nicotine addict, Jake. My team doesn't have a first round pick this year. And even though we traded away our first round pick and got a great quarterback out of it, I'm a little bummed. We don't be on the clock.

What's the best way to spend my Thursday to help fulfill that void? Now, I don't know if we're ready to say Justin Fields is great. Yeah, that was ambitious. But I could be another team. Was there any other teams

that traded away their first pick last year? The Bears were the only ones that popped into my mind. Yeah. For a court, I mean. We traded our first round pick last year for Justin Fields. Denver traded their first round pick for Russell Wilson. Oh, okay.

Yeah, that could be it. Oh, yeah. Okay, all right. So that was, all right. So that could, it probably is done. Your brain has now. Oh yeah, that's right. I was like, wait.

It's affected mine, too. I was like, just because I'm like. Like, I like him, but is he great yet? I don't think so. I think he's a nice guy. Yeah. He's working towards great. He's getting better.

He's striving every day towards great. He's getting better at taking pictures with fans. All right, so repeat the question. We got sidetracked. What do they get excited about? Is that what it was? Yes, yes, for Thursday. I forget who said this.

Someone with the Dolphins organization was like, I'm just going to watch Tyree Hill highlights all night. It's like, that's what you do. Cause like, that's what your pick works for. So yeah, it's less exciting, but like think about it in a positive way. Like you dealt the first round pick

in a very watered down. Yes, yes. That's, that's what I'm going with. That was a very smart. Bears were very smart. There's, there's like maybe five first round talents in this entire draft. Maybe.

Yeah. I mean, there's three times that probably, but that's still a very low number. Yeah. Less than half. Yeah. They're all made up numbers. Number less than half.

Yeah. That's the thing I don't really. Yes, they are. That's the thing I don't. Someone made them up. I don't really understand Stephen how that works where it's like, well, there are only 15 first round grades in this draft compared to like other drafts.

Aren't you just graded based on who you're playing with? Like your, your peers. How do you say like that a different draft class has higher grades? How do you do any sort of like accurate comparison to know that because they're just, they just play against who they play against in college. Yeah.

But I mean, you're scouting the individual players, their trades, how you think they'll translate to the next level. So like how that's determined, like you're obviously going to grade each player based on your grading system, which teams have different grading systems. Like it could be a one to seven scale.

It could be a one to nine scale. Why would you ever go one to seven? Or one to nine? The pretty common. Really? Why don't you just do one to 10? What was Devin White? I mean, it depends on the team.

Who's the highest you ever seen? Uh, Miles Garrett was very high. Like, I don't know. Like nobody gets like a nine, but like, you know, if he's a, you know, on a one to nine scale, probably like an eight point three, like something like that.

Like that's like- What a weird scale. Yeah, why don't you just go like 10? I don't get it. I don't know. Like they're associated with like different adjectives. Okay. Like a spider chart?

Yeah. So it'll be like solid, good, very good elite. Right. What's higher, Pro Bowl or elite? I don't know what the- Bucks ring of honor. What the one to nine scale was, but the one to seven scale that I used was like-

You also have every team had as the top thing. Bucks ring of honor. Well, yeah, but yeah, teams grade each player differently. But as far as like, how we get to like that number of like 15 or whatever, surveys are sent out to GMs who then fill out like, where they roughly think we'll go.

So like universally, there are like roughly 15 guys where everyone agrees this guy's the first round. That's what that means. I feel like most of the GMs time around the draft is spent just doing like meaningless, tedious paperwork and bullshit. Like why would you, why do they fill out this like survey

and then send it back? I mean, they want to get this info too, right? Like they want to double check like, okay, am I crazy for a thing and like this guy, like, you know, Daniel Jeremiah who you guys just had on. Like he's a big fan of like Nick Benito, who's an edge rusher from Oklahoma, but like a lot of guys don't even have it,

like a day two grade on him. So, is he a guy? Like it's a sanity check. Like DJ has him in his top 50. So like, is this, am I crazy for thinking this guy? Yeah, because he has like a really good like pass rush win percentage as measurable is a really good.

Like, is he really not a top 50 guy? So I think that's what's going on right now. And you hear the term like group think thrown out a lot with the combine because a lot of these scouts and like GMs and like personal guys, they're all friends, right? So they're all competing, but you do have people that like share information.

So you want to hear like, okay, I think this guy's good. Do you think he's good? Like, what do you think about how he'll translate to the next all that type of stuff? So a lot of that's kind of going around and this week is lying season. So like people are trying to throw each other off sense, but that's my favorite type of season.

Is there any draft analyst out there that like what they say is gold, like word is bond. And then there, is there somebody out there that you're always suspicious that you're like, that guy's a smokescreen for one of the GMs. Oh, as far as like being a talking head for someone. Yeah. Who's in whose pocket here?

I mean, there is like one guy, but it's also like very close to home. So like it's, it's noted that like Dave Portnoy, like Todd McShea and Joe Douglas are all very good friends. Dave doesn't care about the draft. Like, I mean, Joe Douglas is his friend, but he's the Jets GM and Dave is basically. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

But like I'm saying like make sure to put out some like potential like propaganda. He just talked about it before. He's, he's not, he doesn't, he doesn't die. Certainly conflict of interest. You would never do that though. I mean, I carry a little water for my team. So yeah, that would be an understatement.

All right, let's do two more. Two more. All right. Hey, Steven, big fan of you and the data. Thank you. I'm a Seahawks fan, unfortunately. And aside from QB, I would love an edge rusher. Xander Lenard at a Florida state is a guy I have my eye on for the last couple of years.

He's a big 62, 290 was insanely productive before taking a COVID year off. He bounced back with five sacks. And even though he got moved inside, does him getting moved around affect his stock negatively or positively? This is a fake guy. You got it. Steven sniffed it out.

Dude, he would never. Wow. This would never like this person thinking he can get Steven. Steven is fucking on top of this shit. Good job, Steven. Xander Lenard. Yeah, come on.

Good job, Steven. He's my name. Yeah. I was testing him. That was really impressive. I mean, there's no way Steven's gonna get God. Steven, he didn't even take a breath. He was just like, that's bullshit.

Yeah, that was good, Steven. He knows it. Thank you. He knows the big board. Thank you. Very impressive. Xander Lenard sounds like an awesome player though. Just the name.

You have to admit. That is a cool creative player name. Seahawks are an interesting team at nine. Like, what are they? Like, they have a ton. Like, are you trying Drew Locke at their store? They're like a sneaky team for a quarter. But I don't think they're gonna take one at nine.

Like, they haven't resigned Dwayne Brown. Like, they have tackle needs. They have edge needs. They have like a ton of needs. So I'm interested to see what they do. And they also don't have a lot of picks. Yeah. I feel like everyone's trying to trade back this year.

It's gonna be like 10 teams trying to trade back. Nobody. You're probably gonna be able to get a good deal in terms of trading up though. Potentially, it depends like where the runs go. Cause there's gonna be like a run on receivers. Like once either Malik Willis or Kenny Pickett go, like you got to be nervous if you're a team that has,

you know, a quarterback needy team that has the other guy high. But yeah, like speaking about trading back, like you're looking for future assets because technically a dollar today is worth more than a dollar tomorrow. Next year's draft is so much better than this year's. Like you're gonna want to load up for assets.

What's your bold, what's your one bold prediction that you have? Like last year, Davante Smith won't be a top 10 pick. That was wrong. As far as draft night or like how these players will be. No draft night. Like, like I see this guy going earlier than everyone else does.

Or later. Yeah. There's some medical things with linebackers right now. So I would say Nicoby Dean, who's probably the most productive player on Georgia's defense, the linebacker, is not gonna get drafted in the first round. Oh, okay. That is cool.

And he won't even be the first Georgia linebacker drafted, Kway Walker is from what I'm hearing, like kind of a lock to be drafted in the first round. He's a big, he had production, but he was, he's definitely trades over production guy. Okay, so that's pretty, cause I think most people would say Nicoby Dean was the better player, but Kway Walker.

So you're going out on a limb Kway Walker before Nicoby Dean. I like it. I like it. All right, last question. Last question. What will be mentioned more about ESPN? Family deaths or drug abuse and homelessness?

Hmm. Can I help you with this? Sure. How about, don't even know, because we're going to be watching the NFL draft show hosted by Steven Chey. Yup, and Brandon Walker and Roan. And it's gonna be on there.

It's gonna be incredible. Deon's gonna be there. Deon's gonna be there. He will be there. A bunch of people. Are you guys gonna be doing any sort of those sob stories behind any draft page? You should, Roan will probably get one.

Yeah, Roan will probably get one. He, Roan does a really good job with the fact checks. Yeah, he does. We'll have a lot of stuff. It's always one of my favorite events of the year. Oh, really? The draft? Well, like the show, but yes, yes, yes.

No, it is very exciting. Steven, there's no one who loves anything more than Steven Chey loves the draft. He starts, the bucks have been good obviously the last couple of years, but before that, he would start talking about the draft. Halloween. Like, yeah, like week eight.

He'd just be like, yeah, well, the bucks, listen, now they got a nice pick coming up. Things are gonna start locking into place. Well, I deal on the currency of hope. And once your team sucks, and it's very obviously suck, you need to... Shift to the draft. Believe something is gonna turn it around.

And if losing helps that cause, which it does if you're getting a better draft pick, then it's like, okay, let me start believing in getting ahead of the process. Now, are you still doing the TB12 method? Because Tom Brady came back, you're doing that all year round, right? Through January 31st, 2023.

Except birthdays. Except family birthdays. What about pussies? Pussies on a TB12? That is on the TB12. Approved. It's approved. Do you want to drop the link for the instructional video

that changed your life? So I haven't, I mean, I watched it. No, this is serious. For all the male and lesbian AWLs out there that might be looking to educate yourself a lot of time, guys don't know about that stuff. So it's even got a very important video that you should watch.

I watched the tape, yeah. I mean, just when I watched it like 15 years ago it was on X videos. I don't know if it's on that side anymore. I don't use that side anymore. So. This is literally a scene from American Pie. Where he's like watching the tornado.

Yeah, in his room. Spell the alphabet with your tongue. Well, that's the thing, like what they tell you. I don't want to do this. No, I do. I've done it many times with him and it's bad. Yeah, so what the common way you'll see an adult film? Oh, no, I don't want you to explain that.

Yeah, no, that's what he was gonna do. That's what he was gonna do. I want you to just like say what's the name of the video in case other people want to. No, I don't know what the name of it. Yeah, that's what he was gonna do. He was going to teach us how to eat pussy. Yeah, that's why I said I don't want to do this.

I just want to stop people from paying the fence. Yeah. And that's what most people are doing. Pay the fence. Yeah. I said we should remake. Targeted precision attack. We should remake the Irishman with Steven Shabe

and like, I didn't know you painted fences and he's just eating pussy across America. Who's gonna get mouth cancer first? Steven Shabe from all the HPV or Jake Dipping? Jake, definitely. Definitely, easily, easily. Last thing, Steven, numbers, but also prediction for the Bucks this season.

They're like record? Yeah. Super Bowl? Yes. Super Bowl winner. Yes, absolutely. They better. Does Tom Brady really love football?

He's all about like crypto, his side businesses. I got a red flag on that. That's a fair point. Tom Brady will retire if he wins a Super Bowl. That's fine. Yeah. That's cool. Would you rather have you guys not win a Super Bowl

this year and win one next year and then Tom Brady retires or Tom Brady wins one this year than he retires? I think you definitely take next year, right? You get two more years. Yeah, but like, it doesn't matter how many years it's about winning. Right, but you'd still win.

You'd still get that win, but you'd also have a year where you didn't win in between, but you'd get Tom Brady for two more years. So you wouldn't be irrelevant from these two. Well, you specifically, it matters a lot because your relevancy as a human being is reliant on Tom Brady. I wouldn't go that far.

Oh, no, that's factually, that is absolutely correct. More so JPP than Tom Brady. We already signed him and he posted an Instagram story is like by Tampa. Oh, no. JPP? No, you can't say that anymore. You know who he did bring back?

Giovanni Bernardo. Oh, God. All right, numbers, 22. Hank picked six. 25. Three for memes. Give me 77. 70 minus one.

Steven. Let's go, Super Bowl 57. Come on, 69. Get under there. Get under there. It's getting sucked up. It's coming. It's coming, it's coming sucked.

63. 63. All right, Steven, thank you so much. We appreciate you. Penguins can't taste sweet, savory, or sour. Love you guys. What if you give them a warhead? They don't taste buds.

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