Pardon My Take - NFL Preview With Dan Orlovsky, CFB Week 1 Recap + The Mt Rushmore Duel Between PFT And Hank

Episode Date: September 3, 2024

Football is back and Brian Kelly is yet again making headlines. We talk winners and losers from Week 1 of College Football and no one had a better weekend than Notre Dame fans (00:00:00-00:18:10). Billy Napier is basically fired and Dabo has lost his way (00:18:10-00:21:16). FSU is down bad and a fan is refusing to eat shit after he promised to (00:21:16-00:35:56). Who's back of the week including Scottie Scheffler, Joey Chestnut and Kirk Herbstreits dog, Ben (00:35:56-00:48:29). Dan Orlovsky joins the show to preview the 2024 NFL season, his top quarterbacks, teams that may surprise us and Super Bowl winner (00:48:29-01:38:34). We finish the show with the first ever Mt Rushmore duel between PFT and Hank to decide the loser of Mt Rushmore season (01:38:34-02:32:35).You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/PardonMyTake

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September 3rd and football is back. And Brian Kelly is on the hot seat. Oh my God. It's a yearly tradition. He hates week one. Brian Kelly has lost three straight week ones at LSU. He's got to start playing week zero. He's got to volunteer the Tigers like, hey, we'll go to Hawaii. The standalone games have not been nice to Brian Kelly. He's trying to find the guy who did this. He's the hot dog meme, basically saying afterwards,

this is the first time since I've been here at LSU that I'm angry at my football team. That's a football team you put together, buddy. That's a football team you coach. That's his football. That is your football. Maybe he was angry before, but it wasn't his football team yet. So like year one, they lose that opening game Florida state, right? Yep. With the weird shit that happened at the end with the extra point. Maybe he was mad, but it was at coach O's football team that he happened to be coaching at the time. But Brian Kelly, his face was turning redder by the second on the sideline. He looked like Tom Coughlin in that game, but it was indoors in Las Vegas, not in zero

degree weather in Green Bay. Yeah. It's a tradition unlike any other. Brian Kelly getting upset week one of the college football season. I would say we can go winners and losers of the whole football weekend, but I think the number one winner by far and away, not even close is the Notre Dame fighting Irish because they got to watch their team win on Saturday night in a game that Brian Kelly would have probably lost. I said afterwards, Brian Kelly actually cost the SEC two wins this weekend because LSU who he coaches now and the fact that he left Notre Dame, Texas A&M would have beaten him if he was still at Notre Dame because he doesn't win big games. But Notre Dame won a game that was the biggest win of the weekend. Probably

if you look at their schedule, they don't have a ton of tough tests after this. They're in the driver's seat. They might be ranked number one at the end of the season and then they'll get the fifth spot in the playoffs. Yes. And then, and then they got to watch Brian Kelly and what was the big three things that Notre Dame fans tried to warn LSU fans? They were like, hey, you can't win the big one, check. Practice safety. Not practice safety.

You can't win the big one, check. He likes to blame everyone else but himself, double check. And he's just kind of a jerk. Now to, in his defense. I Know I guess this is an indictment on Brian Kelly I won't go to his defense He should have had a word with his players before the game that it's against the rules To act like you're shooting your opponent with a shotgun after yeah or touchdown the kids can't know that the penalty Brian

He's so bad running on like, you know It's just they be he basically looked like he was scarred from last year's defense and being like, we got to just keep USC off the field and preventing themselves from winning the game. Yeah. And the targeting at the end was pretty egregious. Well, he said, he said afterwards, he's like, our team feels like they've won. Like we have to be able to get over the hump.

There's this vibe that we've won a game when we're up. It's like, dude, you're the coach. That's your vibe. Yeah, it was not a great, great show. It wasn't a bad showing from LSU. They weren't terrible. No, Nussmeyer was good. Nussmeyer was good, but then Brian Kelly

threw Nussmeyer under the bus later and said their quarterback played a lot better. And Miller Moss is very good. Oh, he was incredible. I told you, 35 to one. I think he told you 35 to one. I think he did. He's down to 22. I think he did play better than Nussmeier.

But their quarterback wasn't the reason why they lost the game. No. They lost the game because they had penalty after penalty. And at the end of the game, they kind of were playing scared because Brian Kelly can't win the big one. I think he's like 4 and 13 against top 10 big ones. Yeah. It gets top 10 teams. He, uh, he hasn't, he hasn't beaten a ranked opponent in a long time, right? He beat, uh, Clemson in 2022. I want to say, or no, he was already at LSU. He beat Clemson, the DJU game, which we can that they can now say Clemson was four,

but it was, you know, the backup. It wasn't Trevor Lawrence yeah yeah the I feel bad for I love LSU fans I love LSU every time we've gone there this is basically a repeat from last year by the way word-for-word every time we've gone there they've been the best people the most hospitable people like just so much fun they deserve better than Brian Kelly the guy's a shithead yeah with Brian with Brian Kelly, if you're an LSU fan, you're like, well, he better win. We'll love him if he wins. But with him, he gets no grace period if he loses. They're like, well, you can't be an asshole and lose. You can be an asshole and win. We loved Nick Saban when he was here. We're okay with that. But you can't combine the two because especially as a complete fish out of water in the SEC,

they'll be like, he's not supposed to be SEC. He ain't supposed to be SEC, Paul. No, he's the guy who, his name's escaping me. I think that's going to be, I'm going to stand on that take. Jerry DiNardo. He's Jerry DiNardo. That's my official take on Brian Kelly. You can put this on a quote card. He ain't supposed to be SEC. No, he LSU did it with Jerry Gennardo, who was a, I think he's a New Yorker and, and hired him and it was like, dude, what are you doing here? You don't know our culture. They need to bring they need to bring Nick

Saban out of retirement. Imagine that. Yeah, I think he'd do it. That would be fucking sick. I think Nick Saban, he probably really enjoyed not having to work on Saturday in the fall for the first time in a long time He enjoys like it. There was one. I did work. Yeah, he kind of but not like, you know, not coaching a football team Yeah, he was on game day and he seemed like a little bit more relaxed he talked about how you know, he does miss it a little bit already, but You can see that the pressure of like the NIL era was not he just hates that He's like I don't want to deal with the salaryIL era was not, he just hates that. He's like, I don't wanna deal with a salary cap.

And he would have dominated because he's next Saban. By the way, I should have paused this for a second. Hank, are you okay with us talking about college football right now? Yeah, of course. Are you sure? Yes. I know that you hate college football and you don't wanna be bothered by it. So we should have asked for permission.

That's not true, I like college football. What's your favorite part? Hank shitting on Kent State Pittsburgh on Saturday morning. to be bothered by it. So that's not true. That's not true. I like, I like college football. What's your favorite part on Kent state Pittsburgh on Saturday morning? Well, yeah, people get mad. People, people got mad at me for like saying I was doing anything but watching college football Saturday. And I just said, I'm not locking in my entire 12 hours of a day on Saturday. The only day we're not in the office to watch a random ass week one game when there's only like three good ones You don't have to watch Kent State and Pittsburgh

You could I actually did there was a punt return in the second second quarter that I tweeted at you. It was awesome It was sick. There are lots of good games. Yeah I I actually have no problem with your take Hank because people should just do whatever makes them happy and that's really the end of it Like if you if if it may, I am happy. My happiness comes from watching 12 hours of football and watching Kent State Pittsburgh. Your happiness is from golfing. You should do what makes you happy. And we do 12 hours of football on Sunday.

Yeah. But that's the beauty of it. You do 12 hours Saturday and Sunday. What if somebody- I'm like a 20 hours total. What if somebody had that take though? Like, oh, I'm not allowed to do anything else on Sunday. You have to gear your entire Sunday around watching the Panthers and the Patriots People do that college football fans do that. Yeah, I have no problem with it

You got no problem with with them, but they have a problem with you I have no problem with you had college football fans at your neck at my neck It's not even think it was that controversial take but a lot of people said thank you It sounds like you were triggered a little bit though Because you would have tweeted that out if you weren't triggered by something I mean any like a response I wouldn't say I was like triggered it didn't upset me I literally sent the tweet Went about my dad it all started because he said he was gonna think about wearing a bucket hat on the golf course

And then someone was like dude, how could you miss college football week one? Yeah, and he was like, what am I gonna watch? Ken State, Pittsburgh? Yeah, at least watch your Washington Huskies beat Weber State. I checked to watch Ken State Pittsburgh? Yeah. At least watch your Washington Huskies beat Weber State. I checked the score. Weber State. Yeah. That was late night. It was a late night. It was late night. That's what you got to get used to. How many points did they give up? Three. Yeah. That's a Pellichek defense. Yep. All right. So are we okay to keep talking about college? Of course. Okay. All right. So yeah, Brian Kelly was the biggest loser and Notre Dame fans the biggest winner because Notre Dame is basically going to the playoff.

I'm fine with saying right now they're in the playoff. Yeah, we can pencil them in. Yeah, that was actually- They don't really play anyone. That was, and Marcus Freeman did take a shot at me in his post-game press conference talking about analytics. So it was the next day saying we need to have a further conversation. I don't think the conversation we had popped up,

the gopher two down 14, but I will say Marcus Freeman, the Notre Dame fans have to be so happy that Brian Kelly left, even though it was weird when he left, he just basically turned his back on the whole team. Marcus Freeman's a dude. I watched that video of him bringing the team out from the tunnel. That's a guy you want to go to war with. Mm-hmm. And he's just, that's a game that Brian Kelly doesn't win that Marcus Freeman did. And Notre Dame played, like they pushed it, the envelope. They went for some fourth downs. And Notre Dame is, yeah, they're in the driver's seat. It's a hard stadium to win in too, especially week one. Yeah. That's your first game of the season. You go to Kyle go to Kyle field, you got the yellow leaders being all weird. They probably had a hell of a pep rally the night before where they said all the really strange cult like activity

stuff that they do. And I was told Connor Wegman was good and he was not. I'll give him, he's just a kid, but he looked like shit. I keep thinking about do breaking moves. Yeah. Just biting your fingernails. We'll see Hank and I have an arrangement right now actually all of us do which is we're not looking at our phones The poll is what the polls are for Mount Rushmore season I'm looking at the Hank was so affected by the season. I don't know what to do not having a phone my hand I guess I'll read a book. Yeah, he's starting to read a book. So they don't want you to know What do they what don't they want you to know? MK ultra political assassinations Wow, what's Wow. Lots of stuff. Lot of stuff.

Lot of stuff. Um, okay. Other college football things. So we're free to continue. Please. I like watching the college football kickoff now. It's like a little, it's a little treat where it's all the actual kickoff. I was like, Oh, it's an, it's a old kickoff.

Yeah. I remember this as old school and college football smart. But the one thing I don't like is the two minuteminute warning which is not a two-minute warning in college football Yeah, they called a two-minute timeout. Yeah, not in there and then in the booth. They're like, yeah We're not supposed to call this a two-minute warning. We have to call it too many. I'm like guess what? Everyone's calling it too. Right? That's what it is. I do have a college football observation. Oh give it to us Wisconsin's QB is way too old to be to be playing Tyler Van Dyke. Yeah. Well, what about Miami's? Miami's he's not good who Tyler Van Dyke. Yeah, so you did watch college football

Yeah, you just happen to watch that game. Yeah, Max is a real sicko written against was I never said I'm cuz I knew PFT was at pop punk. I knew Max was watching Yeah, he's what do you mean he's too old? There's there's so many old quarterbacks. Yeah, but he's just old enough where he's like he's clearly not good enough. He's just like holding on and costing Wisconsin. Oh damn. Do you know that we don't usually get good quarterbacks? I don't think he's good. Okay. But we don't get quarterbacks. What about Graham Ertz? Didn't go well. No. You disagree?

I was watching that game and I was like, this guy is bad. And then they're like, he's like 27 years old. The fake field goal was sick. The fake field goal was sick. He's 23 years old. So I don't really know why. That one... I got my eye on him. There was a tight end on Miami who's in his ninth year of playing.

Yeah, that's too much too. Dylan Gabriel's on Oregon. There was a tight end on Miami who's in his ninth year of playing. Yeah, that's too much too. Dylan Gabriel's on Oregon. He's 23 years old. But it's just my guy. I haven't watched any Oregon yet. I'll let you know. I think Hank's saying, Hank doesn't like watching.

How'd you only watch one game? I watched Colorado too. I watched Colorado too. I was hot and good. Hank doesn't like watching an old quarterback who's bad. Yeah. It was a bad game. Memes has got something to say. Yeah, Memes. How old's who's bad. Yeah. It was a bad game. Memes has got something

to say. Yeah. How old is Washington's quarterback? Oh, good question memes. Kim rising is like 25. I have no problem. Just meeting is like, he's not good. How old is what? I don't know. I worry about your own team. All right. Sorry. I won't. I will. No, no more college observations for me. Well, I mean, well you only came with one that my team stinks. I know where we're transitioning. It's not great. I didn't know that. I didn't know that. I wish we weren't doing the air raid. I wish we were just, I was actually texting my friends during the game. I was like, dude, old, old Wisconsin football, we would just won this game 27 to seven and it would have been so boring and I would have been so happy. Instead we're trying to do this air raid and it doesn't work. It's truth.

Run the ball up the middle for, and the game takes like two hours and two hours and 30 minutes. We went 27 seven. We, we throw nine passes and that's in and out. Means how old is Washington's 23. Will Rogers. Oh yeah. Well, Rogers from the you Mississippi state close. He's been around the block. There was a tight end on Miami who scored a touchdown in the Swamp who was in his ninth year of college football. I think Hank's whole gripe with this is that it's depressing watching an old quarterback who's also bad.

Yeah. Which is true. Will Rogers isn't great. 35-3. Okay. FCS? Do you know what that is? Scoreboard. Okay, FCS? Do you know what that is?

Scoreboard. Hank, just tell him scoreboard. You know what FCS is? One double A. Okay. I don't like this new college football, Hank. You only watched one fucking game and it was my game? We're going through things.

He's the, we're, listen, we're going to beat South Dakota State and then we're going to lose by 30 to Bama. All right. I'm telling you right now, that's what's going to happen. And I've made my terms with it. Any other thoughts from that? It feels very directed that you just, we're working on some things. Colorado Travis Hunter stud. Yeah, there it is. That touchdown catch that he had. Travis Hunter is unbelievable. He like, I don't know how he caught that ball

in the corner of the end zone, where he reached like across the other guy at the last second and dragged it in. He's gonna be the number one pick, obviously. Probably not. Really? Probably quarterback. Quarterback.

I might have to bet Tyler Van Dyke to win the Heisman now that Hank's doing this this you get some pretty juicy odds Oh, yeah, I don't even know if they have them on the board Yeah that billion 1-800 gambler Number should pop it should hack your phone. You're gonna be like are you sure you meant to do this for your own good? Alright other other Like a nuclear submarine have to have two people that share the same bank account turn the key on that one.

Hank, let me give you a quick 30 second explanation of what's going on right now. I'm having a crisis, okay? Because I believe in Luke Fickel and I think he's a very good coach. They decided to do an air raid offense. It doesn't really make sense for Wisconsin when all we should do is run the ball down your throat and beat like everyone on our level and then lose to Ohio State and Penn State. I was happy with that. That was a good life. Going like nine and three and ten and two and playing boring football but just full back fucking down your dick. You're not gonna be able to stop it. It was a good life. Now I don't have a good life because now I would try to throw the ball and we don't throw the ball well and

we're going to win like six or seven games and I don't have a good life anymore. Yeah. You're at the mercy of, of what's his name? Van Geikel. I don't know. You're thinking about Van Geikel. You're just so. Yeah. You're just offended. You were offended by my quarterback. Yeah. I was just like, I was like, this guy is horrible. Where did he come from? They're like, you know, he's like a fifth, seventh year transfer.

He's not a seventh year transfer. He's not a seventh year transfer. All right. Other, other losers this weekend. Billy Napier, Billy Napier big sunbelt Billy. They've somebody he coached at Louisiana, right? Yeah. And cut it. He ain't supposed to be SAC either. He is. That's another situation where they got rid of Dan Mullen who went to some new year six bowl games and now Billy Napier. I think I saw that he is seven and five at the swamp. And if you take FCS teams out is five and five. Yeah. Listen, Dan M Mullen Yeah, his wife kissed players on the lips big deal. He won football games He's a guy that looks so happy to be on TV. Yeah, he loves being with his big old head Yeah, Billy Napier had trouble during the game. He had trouble after the game. He couldn't get the top off his water bottle

Yep, which was a bad look You should be at least have the forearm strength to remove a bottle cap Hanks doing it right now You should be at least have the forearm strength to remove a bottle cap. Hank's doing it right now And he's got tiny little arms. Yeah, it's that easy Billy. He does. He's probably on the hot seat I he was on the I even on he was on the hot seat before the season started fired And then we looked at when Andy Staples on the show. We saw their last what seven games. Yeah He's fired Billy Napier. unfortunately, has been pre-fired by me. Uh, Florida, to do that against a team where you're competing the same recruits that you're trying to get are on the sideline watching that game. Yes. And to just get your shit pushed in by an

in-state rival. Conversely, the U might be back. The U is, Kim Ward is electric. He was electric last year. Uh, he, he's awesome in the U. Yeah, it does feel like they're another team where a week one win on the road in the SEC, they now are in the driver's seat where their schedule is not super tough and Florida state looks like shit. They're, I mean, they're O and two now DJU. That's, that's gotten his bed. Florida and Florida state game, by the way way will be the most depressing game this year. For say looks like shit. Virginia Tech the dark horse the ACC lost to Vanderbilt. Yeah. So NC State struggled on Thursday night. So Miami like maybe their toughest game is Georgia

Tech if they played Georgia Tech because your text to know but like they Miami was another big winner from the weekend that you might be back. The you I think is back. I think they're right now they're in pole position to win that conference. And credit by the way to Bill O'Brien. Yes. O'Brien college. His.

Did you see his polo shirt tonight? No. Oh big guy. You got to look up. Oh was it. Did you have sweat stains all over the place? He had sweat stains but they weren't like the normal sweat stains that are like limited to your armpits that usually go down to the chest area.

These pit stains went down the side of his arm in the polo shirt to the very end of it. It's hot in Florida. It's very hot down there. It's muggy. He's not a Southeast boy, but it's a Bill O'Brien called a hell of a game. Yeah. And the in Florida State is a complete disaster. They looked, they've looked so bad through, I mean they have a bye week next week, thank

God for them and their fans. Did you see also there's a fan online who now has to delete his account. He did delete his account. Yeah, that was going to be my who's back. Oh, 321null said if Florida State loses to BC this weekend, I'll eat dog shit out of a red solo cup with a spoon and post a video of me doing it, book it. He's now gone from this world. Coward. Coward. Deleted his account. You gotta follow... Listen, they're not gonna win any

more games until this guy eats the dog shit out. That's fact. That's how it works. Yeah. So Billy Napier was a big loser. Florida State in general is a big loser. And then Dabo, poor Dabo, said before the game, it's not about the scoreboard, it's how hard you play. And then after the game, after they got absolutely crushed by Georgia, who looks like, they look like back to peak Georgia where it's like now that Saban's not there, their only loss was ever to Nick Saban. There's a roll over people. Dabo said after the game, one of the positives from the game was that the Tigers matched up well with the Bulldogs in terms of pure talent.

The scoreboard doesn't show that, but we matched up well. Some details really cost us. I'll give you one detail. Quarterback. Yeah. Or the scoreboard. Scoreboard is a detail. Yeah. That's a minor detail. That's a pretty big... When you score six points. Yeah. But Clemson was a great team. They were a great team in college football. Yes. And then they just became a not so great team. It felt like overnight, but the overnight was just when Trevor Lawrence went to the NFL. Yeah. And since then, they haven't been able to find out who's throwing the ball for him. So they're going to stink for a while. Yeah. Deshaun Watson and Trevor Lawrence went to the NFL. Yeah. And since then, they haven't been able to find out who's throwing the ball for him. So they're going to stink for a while. Yeah. Deshaun

Watson and Trevor Lawrence were all world out of this world quarterbacks and they haven't been able to replicate. They haven't gotten anyone that's nearly as good as him back there. But also see Roddy White said that he's like Clemson has too many white guys out there and then people got mad at him. But I think when he was talking about was there was a possession where it was like 10 out Of 11 guys. Yeah, that is too many white guys. That's too many white guys You can't have that many white guys out on the field and play against, Georgia. Yeah, Georgia. No, you cannot I mean listen, I'm all for equality. I think it's a you know a

Meritocracy on the football field you can't have 10 out of 11 guys be so hot a lot of white guys were We won't be able to beat George a lot of white guys, but yeah dabo He's going through it that that reminds me that quote from the Air Force coach back in like 2002 where they asked him what he Need to do better. He's like we need to recruit more black players because they run very very well That was his answer after the game. There you go, buddy. Penn State was a big winner. Penn State looks awesome. Is Drew Aller good? Drew Aller looked sick. He looked like the guy that everyone thought he was going to be last year. Well, if you listen to our preview with Brandon Walker and Tom Frinelli, they correctly pointed out that Penn State's new offensive coordinator

will make up a lot of ground for them. And it did look like that. They were running some plays that like had guys running wide open. Yeah, Trey Wallace was great. It was it was fun to watch it. It was not an offense that you were watching last year with Penn State. Yeah. Yeah. Big, big win for Penn State. Tennessee, winter Tennessee. Nico is, Tennessee. Niko is legit. As advertised by Tom Frenoy and Brandon Walker. Yes, Niko is awesome. Winner, the Idaho head coach, Coach Eck.

I loved him. He just basically, he had a... So Idaho was, I think they were down 7 in the fourth quarter to Oregon. He had an entire binder of plays. He had a guy hand him a binder and it was, there had to be like 3,000 pages in there. And he just kept on having these trick plays that would work and it was so much fun to watch because it just doesn't happen. It was kind of like watching a 16 seed versus one and you're like, this is just, this is insane.

How are they still in this game? Yeah, I didn't, I wasn't able to catch any of that game, but I, every time I looked at the scoreboard, I was like, is Oregon in trouble? Yeah. Oregon going to lose this game? And then I went back, I watched some of those plays and they were just absolutely emptying the tank against him. It was like, they knew they couldn't line up and beat them playing normal football,

but they're like, we're going to try to just smoke and mirrors our way to a win. It was, and it would have been an all time smoking and mirrors win. Yeah, it was incredible. Um, I'm trying to think any other winners or losers. I mean, the big losers was really just Brian Kelly, Billy Napier, dabble dabble dabble, poor dabble. I said there should be some sort of football guy preacher that should get in touch with Davos Swinney and tell them like, you know, who used the transfer portal, Jesus Christ, when he went into that tomb. So you can get in there for three days a year, Dabo. Well, three days a year is good enough and you can just get in, get out and just transform into a new team.

He, I feel like he's also at this point where he, he really should take a hard look and just be like, should I just retire? Because if he, if he walked away after this year, he would be a Clemson legend and it would never be like it got bad. But if you stay on too long and it keeps going like this, and again, Clemson still is winning. They won 10 games last year, I think. So it's not that they aren't like still a good football team. It's just remarkable how far they've fallen off from the superpowers that they were in five years ago. They need a good quarterback. Yeah. If they got a good quarterback and maybe didn't have

10 out of 11 white players on the field at one time, which is kind of, it's weird that Roddy's last name is white. It's true. And he said that. So he gets a pass. Yeah. So he gets a pass on that. He's allowed to use that word, the W word. But if you just take that roster and you put a good quarterback on it, like a very good college quarterback, then Clemson would be fine. They might not beat Georgia, but they'd be fine. No, Georgia's, those first games when you have to play like a Georgia or LSU, LSU should just not play week one anymore. They're tough because it's like Clemson could still win

the ACC, could still go to the playoff. There's zero percent chance Clemson is winning the national title this year. No. Because you saw what it looks like when it's the best team versus like there's a few teams that have that level of talent. And it was just, Clemson was never, it was never like they were never in that game. I know that it was just, Clemson was never, it was never like, they were never in that game. I know that it was a tie, it was a six, six and a half, but it still was just not, you just saw the line of scrimmage. You're like, this is going to end quickly. Like they're going to, as soon as, as soon as the dam breaks, there's just nothing they can do about it.

What's the spread for Tennessee NC State? I think probably like seven. I think 10. Yeah. Cause it's on the road, but NC State didn't look great. No. And Nico looks so good that I feel like I feel like Tennessee is gonna compete the SEC Yeah, I feel like they'll be right there. No, absolutely also shout out the big ten when 17 and one no big deal Yeah, USC 17 and one and Washington. Yeah, the only loss was Minnesota to North Carolina

Yeah, when PJ flex pretended he had Justin Tucker, what were you going to say? Oh, that was close. Yeah, that was close. They lost by two. I watched that one. Oh, you did? What did you think? You went to see his kicker. It's fucking- Insane. Has a bomb.

Crazy. And then PJ Fleck was just deciding that, I don't know why he thought his kicker after he had missed like a 30 yarder, he's like, no no we're good with a 47 yarder here and was not never close but yeah big 10 17 and one so it's just weird seeing 17 and one yeah that's a lot so many fucking so there's 18 what the big 18 yeah I mean we haven't had 10 teams in forever I know we've been the big 10 I know so I like always like we have to pack 12 with when it's a two-pack yeah yeah all right any other college football thoughts anything else? I think you want to just keep

Say something about the big 12 Hank Everyone's team won Yeah, that's what he was gonna say Quinn yours. He's on Sunday conversation. I watch that Hank Hank Not the big 12 friend Texas. Oh shit You got it. I need some analysis from you about the big 12 before we can. I got nothing. Oklahoma. Oh no. Oh no. Hank, did RCC too. Name five big 12 teams. Let's go. Kansas state. Yes. Oklahoma state. Yes. Get hot Hank. Get hot. Get hot. Kansas state. Oklahoma State, Kansas. Yes. Yes. You've taken all the Kansas.

You got no Kansas left. Kansas. No, no. He said we're not in Kansas anymore. This is making me feel better about his Texas analysis. Wisconsin. Okay. Yeah. This guy doesn't watch college ball. Texas. Yeah. Yes. That's four, right? That's the I said five. You watch one of the games Colorado yeah bang Wow anymore any others slip one in Nope talked about one of the other games. Oh Nothing nothing Oh, nothing, nothing. Nope. Oh, Iowa has an offense.

Iowa State. Iowa State, there you go. Yeah, Iowa's offense, it didn't show up till the second half, but it did show up. The first half was very funny. Started exactly how an Iowa game always does. Yeah. It's like punt, punt, fumble, interception, miss field goal, punt, field goal. And then they're like, we figured

it out. Yeah. The iPads, the iPads came in handy for him at half time. Arizona on the big 12. Yes. Hank. Good job. Recently big 12 team. Good job. There's no state. Yeah. There we go. We're cooking. You just got to find the pairs and just hammer it. Yeah. Think of Pac-12 rechecks. You got this. That's good for now. Okay. Yeah. I think that's more than enough job. That was a big 12 recap. That was a big 12 recap by Hank. Name some big 12 teams. I think you should actually, well, no, because I don't want you to have to study it, but we're, let's say- yeah you probably won't maybe tomorrow can you name all the big 12 teams yeah we should have done the Mount Rushmore big 12 just let Hank fly on it all right anything else from from this weekend before we do who's back now I'm

looking for next I'm looking forward to next weekend yes Yes. Texas, Michigan. Texas, Michigan. I'll be there. The college football show will be there. You know who the captain is going to be for Michigan? The honorary captain. Who? Derek Jeter. Oh.

Michigan legend. Yeah. I did watch the Conor Stallions doc. Would you think? Interesting. Would you think? It was, I ended up being like, I love Conor Stallions, because he just seems like he is essentially just every fan ever who's like, I'll do anything for my team to win.

And then he actually did do anything for his team to win. Um, but yeah, I mean, they, they definitely cheated. I think everyone cheated, but they definitely did too. And Harbaugh didn't know they cheat the most hard. They tried to get, they tried to implicate Harbaugh by having a scene where Connor Stallion showed off the game ball that Harbaugh gave him. But look at this. Look at this. Yeah.

See this right here? See this right here? This is a game ball presented to Max Delente from Big Dom. Max, have you ever met Big Dom in your life in spirit? Exactly. I rest my case back there by the way. I rest my case. Harbaugh did not know just because you get a game ball doesn't mean you know the guy and also the pictures with them together. But whatever. And he was on the staff. Yeah. Don't downplay my relationship with big Dom. That was that was a gift. You haven't met him. You have not met him. I'm defending our guy Harbaugh. There was a great story in the Connor

Stallions doc where Connor Stallions, like after everything he went through, he went to the Ohio state Michigan game. And, uh, he said that after when everyone was on the field, he was on the field, he's wearing a ski mask and he went up to, uh, Michael Barrett, one of their linebackers. And he was just like, he had his full ski mask on and he was just like, great game, Mike B. And, and Michael Barrett was like, are you fucking kidding me? Is that him? And he pulled, he like pulled down his ski mask for a second and Michael Barrett like went crazy. How'd he get down there? I don't know. But he was like, he, he became everything that he was, the internet was like pretending like he's

everywhere. Yeah. It kind of felt like at the end of the season he was like, yeah, you know what? I'm just going to be everywhere. Carter Stallion is like, okay, say what you want about cheating and all that stuff. But the man had a plan. He had a course of action and he followed through on it and he worked very hard at his goal. Yeah. And he accomplished his goal.

He showed a little bit of his manifesto, but he said he's still saving it for when he's going to be Michigan's coach. Because he's going to reuse it. Yeah. No, well, he'd never, he used some it, but he no one's ever seen a lot of the things that he's done Do you think Harbaugh was having like secret meetings with Connor? So Connor stallions was harboring no heart. No never met him. He was given the same room He was given the info ever other guys Yeah, and then other guys would kick it up and take credit for it. Like it was their idea, right?

And then be like, hey, what do you think about this insight coach? Don't you like this insight and then he'd pat them on the head, be like, great job assistant coach. I appreciate that. And they never gave credit to Connor Stallings. I didn't realize too, it was great that he started his coaching at Navy, uh, cause he was in the Naval Academy and his first game that he ever was on the sideline was, was against Ohio state Navy versus Ohio state. And he like, they almost, they keep keep they were competitive. I love that. He's doing the signals. I'm going to watch that tonight. It's it's very good. I enjoyed it. Just because it's it's one of

the best college football stories that we'll ever have ever. Yeah. It was so much fun. You living through it was so much fun. It was made for memes. It's an AI. Like if you think about quantum computing over the next like 20 years if you took whatever AI They have then and then just focused on the craziest message board that you've ever been on That's essentially what Connor Stallions is correct, and he made it all happen, right? Okay, let's do who's back the week then we'll get to Dan Orlowski talk some NFL and then we have the Mount Rushmore duel Who's back week brought to you by our friends at game time. Football season is here.

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Yeah, that X Cup. Yeah You remember the trophy? I remember the trophy who could forget the trophy PFT, but Why did they do I don't know there's there's big breaks in between some of the majors They they draw it out for the this long and then do it on a weekend That's a holiday weekend when college football is back and it ends on, it should have ended on Monday if anything. Do it and do it the weekend before. Yeah. Like when will, when will people realize you can't compete with football?

No. Like well I guess Hank can with golf and bucket hats but everyone else cannot compete with football. You can't. Yeah and just the way it's set up where it's Scottie Scheffler had a three-stroke lead to start the whole week and it was like you know Colin Cornwall Cower had a better score than him over the three days but because of the the early lead like it didn't matter so what do you win by I don't know what he won by but he but he was he won 25 million so he's won like 60 something

million 62 million I think so his caddy has made 6.2 million. Woo! For being on the man's bag. That's a lot of money for being on a man's bag. That's crazy. That's crazy. Max Homa had a good tweet about it because PGA Tour Communications sent this out on August 29th, which was Friday, right?

I believe. They said, Scotty Schaeffler cards a 6 under 65 and holds a seven stroke lead after the first round of the tour championship Shuffler is the first player to hold a lead of seven strokes for more after 18 holes of a tour event on record and Max Homa said the Chief scored two touchdowns in the first quarter and lead by 30 A new record. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it's a weird format. Yeah. He yeah, he won by four strokes. I See what you're saying too. He Mark Howell played better, but this weekend. But I think it should somehow come down to match play. Yeah, but Scottie did deserve the lead because he played better. That was

his whole thing when he was like, is this really decide the champion if I have to play again for something I've already won basically. So I get that he should get the lead. Yeah, they should figure that out and play it a different time Uh, okay good. Who's back hank? Thanks golf on college football week one Yeah, good great. Who's back? We just now we'll now move we'll move on to real sports. The air raid offense is back Uh, my who's back of the week is joey chestnut., I'm fine. A real athlete, Joey Chestnut is back, baby. He ate 83 hot dogs in 10 minutes. Crazy.

83 hot dogs with no dunking. He could sip the water. He competed against Kobayashi. He was never really in competition after the first like two minutes. He got a lead. He kept the lead. Kobayashi ended up with what, 66 dogs? Yeah, it was something like that. He just dominated. Which is still a good Kobayashi ended up with what 66 dogs

Yeah, it was something like that. He just dom which is still a good. That's a large amount of hot dogs Good day dogs for a man to eat correct ten minutes. Correct. Probably like the second best that that Bout by Kobayashi would put him as being like one of the top five. Yeah of all time Yeah, and then chest not just eight eighty-three hot dogs In his fucking face. Yeah, eighty-three hot dogs. He got a lead. He didn't look at the scoreboard didn't slow down kept building the lead and It was goddamn was impressive now it it didn't have the same pageantry at least for me as the fourth of July hot dog eating contest Mm-hmm. I like it because it's on the fourth of July. I like it because's waving American flags. I like it because it's outside. So this was in a dome and just like in the NFL,

if you eat indoors, I'm sure that's a little bit easier staying out of the sun. I feel a little bit bad for Kobayashi though. Why? Because imagine eating 66 hot dogs and feeling like you didn't accomplish what you were trying to do. You got a bag. You got a bag. But yeah, okay. Money aside, eating 66 hot dogs and losing has got to be an all-time bad feeling. Yeah, I think I would normally agree with you if it were like on the 4th of July, the guy who-

You don't get bags for 4th of July. Yeah, in 4th of July, if you're like the guy who finishes third and you're in Coney Island or on Coney Island, you had 50 hot dogs, you came third, no one even remembers you, you're standing there hot, sweaty, that, Kobe actually got a bag. Got a bag. I'm saying money aside though, it stinks that you ate 66 hot dogs and you're just a loser. Yeah, yeah that does stink. But 83, that's so many fucking hot dogs.

It's unreal. And he'd probably drink after. where can he go from there? 84 dude what's amazing about Joey's he continues to push himself Yeah, like nor I he's the greatest of all time You would need somebody that would come along and like put away 90 dogs or a hundred dogs to prove to him that he could even Eat more to even believe that it was possible to yes, but every time he sits down a dinner plate. He's like fuck it I'm gonna I'm gonna there's no iron iron for Joey Chet. He is the iron. Yes. Okay, my Who's Back of the Week is, we should have talked about this with college football,

Kirk Herbstreet's dog. Yeah. Is back. He was back. He was in the booth. Starting some controversy. Max, what do you think? Close personal friend of mine. mine yeah you did meet him um the dog I don't know how I want to say what I'm gonna say I like Ben a lot I love Ben's very cute I I do think this got us in trouble before? Yeah. You know what? I'll pass. I love Ben. Not. I love that. Yeah. Max Max. I got to see it in bringing. Yeah. It's kind of the same thing. ESPN like no one like if you had it bring your if you had a kid that was like a little baby that you bring I brought on the set. What if I brought my kids to tape every show? I've heard that you guys should be like trying to think where I've heard annoying right who said that yeah

Well, I like Ben a lot. I just wish I can I I want Ben to be as happy as possible I don't know if he's like sitting under a desk at a football game loud noises like that might suck for him He's but herbie's herbie's a friend. So I'm not gonna say anything bad about he's an emotional support pet Yeah, I'm not gonna say anything bad about Ben. I like that might suck for him. He's but her B's her B's a friend. So I'm not gonna say anything bad about he's an emotional support Pet yeah, I'm not gonna say anything bad about Ben. I like that I don't like that her B has to defend himself online against dog haters That's sickening We don't what it would her B say he there was just there was Ben's was a controversial figure because he was

was a controversial figure because he was Kept on going into shots during little I broadcast so people were like enough already not me It was the most cut yeah He was he was right there in between Reese and himself right and at what I had to like almost credit over I think credit to Reese. Yeah, Reese handled that like a pro. Yeah, it was the worst controversy Involving a booth and a Lincoln that I've ever seen. Yeah. That was a little bit of a stretch, but I like it. Yeah, but I was trying to get there.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I got in the vicinity of it. Yeah, you got around there. Yeah. I like Ben. I like Ben. I love Ben.

I love Ben. I want to see more of Ben. I would too. I would like to see more of Ben. I would. I'm... Do you agree, Hank? Yeah. Yeah. We like Ben. He's a good boy. Hank saw none of Ben. I think Ben's a very good boy. Yeah, Hank didn't see

any. Hank only watched tape on Tyler Van Dyke. That's it. That's it. He watched every second of Wisconsin, nothing else. Should've just at least come over and watch it with me. Oh, well, Herbie's- Like, fuck it. I didn't know they were on and I was just sitting there. Yeah, you had to defend him. Herbie's got like 30 tweets about Ben. Yes, I told you. That's why I brought it up, because Ben was controversial this weekend.

I like the way this tweet starts. Dogs should be playing with other dogs. Yeah. That was the- There's a lot of that. Yeah. Like, hey, this dog should not be on a private jet, or this dog should not be at a loud stadium. I'm more, what if he got it? What if you got a second dog that he brought up into the booth so that Ben would have a friend? Yeah. Now

we've got two. I like Ben a lot. I'm happy that Herbie gets to be with Ben. Is there a place Ben could be during the broadcast that he doesn't have to feel? I feel like Ben probably feels like he's getting in the way. I don't want that for Ben Would you guys agree he was just he was just big-bodied Reese though He literally just walked to the middle of the live shot to start the game. It was so funny. Yeah, it was funny Seeing his tail. He's a happy dog. I like that. I love Ben. I love Ben I give Ben 13 out of 10 very good dog. Yeah, this might be worse than the Taylor Swift stuff I haven't said anything besides I love Ben. Is he really Herbstreet's dog? I've never I need to see video evidence of Herbie booping him

I want to see F on in. I love Ben Ben's a great dog. Great. It's nothing to a dog with with with Ben the dog. Ben does nothing wrong. He's literally done nothing wrong. I'm just saying is there a place he can sleep comfortably and not... That floor didn't look comfortable for him. He should have a bed. Right. Let's get Ben a bed. But yeah, I had to mention because when I saw her, he was like 30 tweets deep going

after the Ben haters. You know you're down bad when you're retweeting Florio. He did? Yeah. What'd he say? Florio said, this is awesome. Take your dogs wherever you can, whenever you can. Fact. I agree. I agree. I agree with that take, but I love Ben. I disagree with that take. There's some places dogs shouldn't be because like it's not fun for the dog. Chocolate factor chocolate factor? Yeah chocolate fireworks show? Yeah agreed with that There's definitely places where dogs can just be like they could still be dogs and just be home. Yep uh

Yeah, like a mortar, uh exhibit uh at war. Yeah war. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, yeah one of them got Uh, uh the guy from isis, uh great. He died like a dog. He told him he did tell like a dog grape vineyard. Yep. Good point. Fuck a dog up. Uh, uh, raisin packaging plant. Yep. Avocados, onions. Yep. Uh, chicken bone. Mm hmm. Please. Dog fighting ring. Dog fighting ring. Thank you. Michael Vicks backyard. There you go. Hank. Bad news. Kindles. These are, these are places dog should not be. So Florio, around max, around max. No, no, I'm the, I'm pro Ben over here. What have I said a hundred times? You've been in some word that I can't think of right now about Ben insinuating. I have not insinuated anything.

I said I like Ben. I Think Max doesn't like Ben No, cuz what this is class I've been more than you always said on this podcast is how much we like Ben and love Ben And then you're you're projecting your own thoughts about Ben when you're saying that we're insinuating something. I Just love Ben I want more content from Ben look you can't even be happy when he says it Basically, you're lying. I can tell you're lying. Yeah, you're you guys are sure what wait you want more content from Ben? Yeah, whoa, I think whatever is going on with Ben right now is perfect Yeah, you what do you want you want to push Ben to the limit? He's ten years old, dude You're gonna make all do everything

I want better do ever Ben wants to do you want Ben to be you want Ben to travel more and fly more? God you put in the pre- Ben wants to do. You want Ben to be, you want Ben to travel more and fly more? God, you're putting the mileage on Ben. Load management. I don't like you guys. Okay. Let's get to our interview with Dan Urlowski. Awesome interview talking about the NFL season and then we're going to do our Mount Rushmore duel. After that, Dan Urlowski is brought to you by our friends at Coors Light. Big rivalry game coming up. Choose chill with the world's most refreshing beer. Coors Light Mountain Cold Refreshment that can chill even the most heated rivalries. When you're looking to keep it chilled, there's only one beer to choose, Coors Light. Mountains in the bottles and cans even turn blue when

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delivered straight to your door with Instacart or GoPuff by going to coreslight.com slash take. Coorslight.com slash take. All right, here he is, Dan Orlovsky. Okay, we now welcome on a very special guest, our good friend Dan Orlovsky. It is week one week NFL and we thought no one better than Dan Orlovsky give us a little season preview, talk some storylines, maybe some picks. Dan, I want to start here. You're the QB Whisperer, top 10 quarterbacks going into the 2024 NFL season. I know you got this off the dome. Yeah. Yeah. Um, I thought we were going to talk about Tyler van Dyck and Phil Longo. Oh no, that's going to be. So let's go. Mahomes in order. I'll try to

get into, don't hold me to the order that well number 10 number homes 10. We'll go the homes one. Allen to burrow three. Okay. The Mar four. Okay. Five has got to be shroud. Six and I'm assuming, you know, obviously Trent Williams in our euchar there would be pretty whoa. Seven would be Stafford. Okay. You have to do that legally you have to do that. Yeah. I'm bound by eight would be man I'm gonna forget somebody that's a, I'm bound by eight would be, oh man, I'm gonna forget somebody that's not gonna go over well with some humans. That's why we're doing this, with some humans.

Yeah, I'd probably say Jordan Love. Oh wow. Nine, two, uh, 10, Rogers? Okay, so no Jalenalen hurts. No Dak. Yeah. I mean, I would put like the, the Trevor Lawrence's hurts his dad, her cousins, Herbert, uh, Herbert, those guys are right in that like kind of next group. Um, it's kind of why this whole off season I've been saying to

mainly ESPN producers stop asking me for top five and top 10. So thanks for that. Cause there's so many good ones. But Hertz is right there, man. But it was like, here's the reality with Jaylen. Cause everyone, my wife from Philly, so she gets mad at it. This is third offensive coordinator in three years. Most times guys take some time to acclimate to that. So I just kind of want to see

exactly what he is and Kellen's offense. So about that, because we always say that as a cliche, but how difficult is it actually to go from a different offensive coordinator year to year? Like is it, okay, this is a tough training camp, OTAs, whatever, but we're ready to go week one, or is it like, hey, this is two guys speaking camp OTAs, whatever, but we're ready to go week one or is it like hey This is two guys speaking a different language that basically have to learn, you know get fluent on the fly when the regular season starts Yeah, totally. It's it's not necessarily like completely different languages system to system to system at times it is but you know, I think with the them at times it is, but you know, I think with the, the style that they ran in 22 that Jaylen ran with Shane Stikin was so unique to them, you know, and the way that they were

relatively simple with their formations, but they were like very dynamic in the way that the operated the quarterback run stuff and some of his reads and their past games and their RPO. So like that was very unique to them. That wasn't necessarily like the. Laflora Shanahan tree that there's probably a ton of similarities in. And then last year it goes to Brian Johnson, who may be carried over some terminology, but it wasn't nearly as effective and effective. And also like there were terrible versus Blitz and whatnot.

So like how different was their terminology, their protections and like the flow of a game. How does he want to start games? How does he handle third downs when we when we're over four to start the game? How does he handle the philosophy of we just got a turnover, a takeaway, or we just got a huge play.

And so he's gone through like one guy in 22 and another guy in 23 and another guy in 24 now with Kellen and it's just how is Kellen gonna call his stuff because Kellen stuff comes from Scott Linehan really terminology wise and. I had a little bit of like Joe Lombardi engine Bob Cooter so like there's a ton of different verbiage that Jaylen's had to handle now. And to your point, now it's just getting a feel for the type of play calls that are coming into your headset situationally. It's a completely different world in that regard. Yeah. So among these offensive coordinators, which ones have the craziest play calls? The longest to remember, longest to say out loud, and which ones have simplified it down to a point where it's just like a couple words? Yeah, the longer ones are the guys that come from the traditional West Coast philosophies.

So anybody that usually has an attachment to a Kyle, a Mike Shanahan, a Gary Kubiak, a Sean McVeigh, those are the wordy ones. I mean, in many ways, that's why Sean, remember years ago when the whole, it became the wordy ones. I mean, in many ways, that's why Sean, remember years ago when, you know, the whole, it became the thing where Sean was keeping the, you know, the headset as long as he can, calling the plays into Jared Goff, and they were at the line of scrimmage. Like, in many ways, it was because the play calls

are so long, and they were trying to get information from the defensive. Jared, he would just, instead of calling 18 to 20 word plays, Sean took it and shrunk it down to maybe a one or two word code. They would get to the line of scrimmage. Jared could say, you know, double to the offense and then, you know, one word to the receivers and another word to the other receivers and another word to the offensive line line and he didn't have to memorize it. You know, Sean was telling him it is also kind of telling him what the defenses were. So I think Sean shrunk that down a little bit in those situations.

But anybody that's attached to those old school offensive systems, those are the wordy ones. The people that expedited it are usually the ones that want to play with tempo. So like Shane Stiken has done that. Like I just said, McVeigh's done that a little bit. I think most coaches have the ability to do it. It doesn't mean that they do it all the time. But anybody that's attached to that stuff, man, it's just words on words on words. So a team that kept their offensive coordinator, the Detroit Lions, who got a lot of buzz, your Detroit Lions.

I had a question about them, though, because they were incredible year last year, really tough football team, Dan Campbell Mold. Are you nervous at all about the Lions losing? I always like to go into the season and think, who did they lose? And is that person an under-the-radar impactful guy? And Josh Reynolds was that guy for me where it's like he, he, he went to the Broncos. They now need Jameson Williams to finally take

that big step to be that second receiver. Are you worried at all about their offense losing a guy like Josh Reynolds who maybe not be like, get all the headlines, but he's one of those guys who will get those big plays and be a dependable receiver when you need a big play in the fourth quarter. Yeah it's also different roles and different styles like Josh is a big bodied guy that was a little bit more of like you know a big part of these play action past centric offenses which Ben Johnson their play call runs is like they want to work the middle of the field and more often than not you want to have either a big bodied person and

work in the middle field or a person who's like got great toughness like I'm on raw, you know, and understanding and feel. Jameson is a he's not this big frame dude, and he's a little bit more of a burner. So just replacing like the comfort level of, you know, seeing as the quarterback and you're like throwing the ball with the middle field, having a bigger frame person, it just feels more confident throwing the ball into that traffic window.

So I think there's a lot of confidence in Jamison for me, Jamison's got to become certainly like a little bit more of a complete guy and not just that vertical person. But I always go back to this like, is their offensive line really awesome? Yes. And if the offensive line continues to be great, it always elevates everybody else. You know, Harbaugh said at this offseason, that's the only position that's not dependent on someone else. And that's true, you know. And so I think that when Detroit's offensive line plays to the level that we're kind of accustomed to now, like they dominate and so Jared plays better

and Amon Ra is better and the port is better. And so I don't think there's a regression in Detroit. The only thing that I have a question on in Detroit is the fourth down and going for it last year was such a hot thing. And it felt like every time they went for it worked obviously, but the the MC title game like. Are they going to be that aggressive again because like last year I don't want to minimize coach can't like Dan but like when you're you're the hunter. It's a little bit. I feel like more freeing to go forward in those situations now that the hunt did so is you don't want him to tighten up

So are they gonna be as aggressive and then also like will there is success rate on fourth down be as Remarkable as it was last year. I think that's more for me than replacing Reynolds type of thing I think it will be I don't think that that Dan's gonna change the way that he calls things there I think he's gonna be just as aggressive and he's calling plays on third down knowing that he's going to go for it in fourth down too. And second, that might even have an impact on what he calls in second down. So there are some people at home that are hearing

like Josh Reynolds, dependable guy you can go to in the fourth quarter of a big game, and he'll get you that catch. And they're like, ugh. I don't know if that's necessarily 100% true all the time. But you've had an interesting take on what's going on in Pittsburgh recently. So it was supposed to be a quarterback competition, right? Justin Fields and Russie.

Justine Russie. Justine Russie. And it's just- Justine Russie. I feel like you're firmly in the camp of, I don't know if you're saying this was not a true quarterback competition, or if you're saying that Justin Fields should have won the quarterback competition but it sounds like you're saying that it shouldn't just be taken for granted

that Rush should be the starter based on how he played. Yeah so I think one, Rush didn't play as bad last year as Pete like people made it sound like Rush was absolutely horrific last year as Pete like people made it sound like Russ was absolutely horrific last year. I kind of thought he played top 12 football or something like that. It was nothing glamorous. He was fine. And just watching this preseason and really only the game that Russ played, it was a tough watch and I don't get to watch practices and whatnot. It was a tough watch. So you know, I go back to when they made the move for both guys, it was like, hey, Russ is in the pole position,

but if it's a true competition, then on August 7th, I think Coach Tomlin in a press conference said like, no, this is a true competition and the games are gonna matter more than practices. So if you just watch the games and you take away the snapped fumbles for Justin or fumbled snaps, those are gonna happen. I don't know if any quarterback was a complete failure in the NFL because he couldn't get a snap. games and you take away the snap fumbles for Justin or fumbled snaps. Those are going to happen. I don't know if any quarterback was a complete failure in the NFL because he couldn't

get a snap. So it's like people, you know, like, Oh my gosh, we can't get snaps. And then the sacks, the two that happened to week, the preseason third game wasn't weren't on him. And so Russ is going to take sex too. So it's like, if you're Pittsburgh and I think Tomlin's amazing, I'm wearing a shirt like come on Love that standard. It's a standard. So like Are you with Ross playing fine at 35 or 36? really going to contend against

Cincinnati and Baltimore in the division really no Like so my thing was if it really was a little bit of a competition, and I think that coach Tomlin said it was, it's, are they somewhat similar past game players? Sure. So it's like, why not just say, you know what, the only real chance we have is if we strike lightning at a bottle with Justin and all of a sudden he puts it a little bit more together in the past game, you give him a little bit more confidence. We're a much better team than he's had in Chicago. And you, you kind of did what Philadelphia did in 22 with Jalen and quarterback run.

That's what, uh, you know, kind of what I envisioned I would do. Um, but it just seems like they're going to go with a little bit more of what they think is going to be consistency from Russ. I just don't think they're going to go with a little bit more of what they think is going to be consistency from Russ. I just don't think they're going to get it. Yeah. I mean, Justin Fields in his defense, I saw it after cut day. I think Ryan Poles has maybe five guys or six guys left from the Ryan pace era. So that tells you what he was playing with. Like, and that was only a couple of years ago. So it's like he was, he was not dealt the best hand when he was here. Um, this might hurt me, uh, your answer here, but I would like to know what

is the team that is getting a ton of hype that you're not fully bought in on and then the reverse, a team that is no one's really talking about that. You're like, this team is going to be a lot better than people realize. Yeah, I'm not going to say the. I do think the Bears are gonna be a really, really good football team. You know, like, people are saying, I will say this, like, can they win the division? It's like, holy smokes, guys.

Like, let's just let them get off to a decent start in playing really important games and have a shot in December rather than are they going to win the division? So I do think that talk is gotten a little stretchy I've been known to strut some conversations myself so- a team that's probably getting talked about too much that may not be as good as people are saying it's gonna be like I will say this- you know San Francisco is amazing right I

love Kyle and we actually had McCaffrey on for the Madden reveal thing. And I asked him, I don't think he was happy with the question, but I was like, all right, dude, like two years ago, NFC championship game, heartbreak last year, Superbowl heartbreak. Like what's, what do you got to do to finally get it done? And he was like score more points than the other team. And so I just think it's, it's a real thing with like, can they get back and be the NFC champ or in the NFC championship game and try to replicate what's happened over the last two years, as much as I love San Francisco and give, I just don't know if I'm banking on that happening again.

Like their offensive line without Trent goes to bottom five in the league. Right. And so like that team, I'm a little bit hesitant on right now just to kind of see what happens with them and the team that people probably aren't talking about enough. I'm super high in Atlanta, dude.

I really am, man. I think they're gonna be so good. I'm not trying to be a jerk here. But like the starting quarterback last year got cut. And yeah, you know, from Cardinals, like Desmond got cut. So this was the team that was in it last year, essentially. So I think the offensive line is gonna be great. Kirk is Kirk. Drake London, I think is a superstar in the making. I think that defense is gonna be so good under Raheem. So I think, is a superstar in the making. I think that defense is going to be so good under Raheem. So I think that's a team that no question can win their division. And certainly, if Zach Robinson, who's their playcaller, comes from the Rams, is any good,

I think they're going to be really, really, really good. I like that. I have not talked about the Falcons. And Joe, I put a bet on them to win that division I think I think I agree with you, but to be clear when you say Kirk is Kirk Do you mean that is that a good thing because now I'm hearing it as a good thing Yeah, I think Kirk is like so Kirk's gonna probably throw for like four thousand yards thirty touchdowns Twelve picks, you know, he's gonna to have a bunch of big time performances. Again, their weapons are really good. So like I'm saying Kirk is Kirk is in a way where like you can kind of bank on the quarterback play that you're going to get from him. And if they

get good quarterback play with their young talent, I just think they're going to be a really, really good solid football team. Yeah. The, um, that's a good one. The Falcons and I, I tend to agree with you on the 49ers is not that they're not great because they are. It's like a vibes thing. Like with how close they've been and then all the guys with the contract things, like will the vibes be a little bit off? We'll get back to Dan in a second. He's brought to you by cars.com. The cars.com parking spot is so helpful for not having to battle for a spot. the cars.com your garage feature is probably even better than that. I love how I can track my car's value. I can see how much it's going to be worth in two months.

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loaded on offense specifically. I think their young talent on defense has got to step up, Jordan Davis and Jalen Carter specifically, but I think they will. So expect them to be really good. I expect the Rams to be really good. I think the Rams have the best offensive line in football maybe.

The interior of their offensive line is freakishly big and dominant. So I expect, and I think it's gonna be like, almost, I don't wanna say the Denver Broncos back end of Peyton man but I think they're gonna run the heck out of the ball and just like a staff make make like five or six throws a game instead of 45 throws a game so I expect them to be really good. I think Tampa Bay is gonna be a good football team I favor Atlanta in the division but I

do think Tampa Bay is going to be a good football team. I favor Atlanta in the division, but I do think Tampa Bay is going to be really good. I think Seattle has got to, like, this is a little bit to the point of, you know, I was having this conversation with some of the other day and they're like, when you expect them, like, I can tell you the teams that I don't think are going to be good more so than the things teams like I think aren't going to be good or are going to be like in the NFC, who's going to be bad? Like, who do we think is going to struggle? I still think Carolina is going to struggle a little bit. I think the Giants are going to struggle still. That's about it. You know, I think everyone else is going to be like a good solid football team. Arizona is a little bit unknown, but like I think they'll be good too. It is crazy how the NFC has like the talk has been the AFC because it's got Mahomes, Burrow, Allen, Lamar. Yeah.

The NFC's got, it seems like some really solid football teams this year that's going to be a really tough way to get out of there. What about the Bills? Yeah, I just, I think the Bills are going to be really good too. Go ahead, I'm sorry. I was just going to say like dovetailing off the 49ers take, the Bills might be in that camp too where we like the Bills. They've been a fun team.

They've been right there for the last several seasons. And now they have some contract issues. They've got new guys in. And the vibes might be off. Like McDermott, we have a theory that coaches sometimes, they just carry the weight from these bad vibes around with them. It just becomes a part of them.

And McDermott's been through some pretty, pretty tough ones. And it feels like if you have to try to reinvent yourself every single year and get over those bad vibes, eventually they're gonna catch up to you and you're just gonna be kinda like, maybe this window's over. But I hope that's not the case in Buffalo. What do you think about it?

Yeah, like sometimes the message just falls on deaf ears at some point and it's blah, blah, blah. So I still think Buffalo's gonna be a really good football team. Obviously the Milano injury is massive. I think they're trying to replicate what happened in Kansas City post Tyreek with, but a bunch of good people around the quarterback defenses are playing us a certain way. Josh is gonna have to play a little bit of a catch and throw type of offense.

And he's gonna have to have the discipline to do that, but the talent to carry when it's necessary. I had someone say this to me this off season about Buffalo, and they said, they knew for like a year or two that this year was going to be the maybe retool rebuild year, just contractually. And they were setting themselves up to like be aware of that. And then next year, so the 25 year was going to be the year that they felt they could really go all in again financially and whatnot. And so I think we're good. If that's true, like organizationally, they're

aware and ready for maybe not being, you know, the team that, you know, wins 13 games or something or wins the division and probably still has a chance to get into the plus, I think, you know, it's a little bit unknown because you got to see how some of the draft picks that cold Bishop pans out or whatnot like Keon Coleman, I still think they're going to be a player football team, I think they're the team to beat in the AFC East. But if what that person kind of said is true, like they're ready for maybe not the highs and getting, you know, gearing into 25. That was always the shame with what has happened. And we're obviously very biased for Josh Allen with the Bills and the Chiefs is that the Chiefs were able to restart their quote-unquote rebuild. You're never rebuilding when you have Patrick Holmes. A couple of years before the Bills and the Bills were all in and they had this older roster and they weren't able to beat the Chiefs. So it's like the Chiefs not only beat them to the rebuild, but they're already in a different

place. We were talking about it yesterday. I mean, the Chiefs have a chance to make history and, and be the first team to ever win three super roles in a row. What, what do you think? Like it's never happened. So is there, like, do you think like, Hey, this team is just that good and patch rooms that good and they've rebuilt so well on the fly and even getting rid of really good players like Snead. I mean, is there, is it crazy to say like the chiefs are going to maybe do this, which is nuts? Oh, not crazy at all. They're better this year than they were last year. And that's with all due respect to the Jerry's, the Jerry's is great. But I, you know, to your point in comparison to like the Buffalo thing is it feels like every chief's draft pick has hit. I don't care if it's like the first round or the six rounders.

So like they've been rebuilding this secondary with some like fourth fifth sixth round picks that they've just hit on that they've developed and you know I don't really expect the defense to take that much of a hit or that much of a drop-off and their offense is gonna be significantly better specifically just like speed and catching the football so I do they're the. I if you told me them or the field I'm taking them. I think the two things that are in the conversation if if it doesn't happen obviously they got to figure out left tackle that's going to be a part of it. But like one there's more teams and more ridiculously good quarterbacks now than there were two

years ago and last year. Like and you just have to hope that you catch Patrick on a B or C day. And you're one of the teams that has the quarterback that if you catch him on like a B day and you get your guys a game, you could beat them. Now there's just not a lot, but there's more than there has been. Like if the Jets catch him on a B day and Rogers is on, they can catch him. The same with Buffalo, the same with since the same with Baltimore, the same with Houston. And that's probably in the AFC, I would think, you know, and so like you, you those one of those five teams, you got to hope that you catch it on an AFC championship game day, like two years ago or three years ago, excuse me, when Cincinnati went. Like they just, Patrick did not play good. And the second half, he was terrible. You know, they caught him on a B or

C day and Joe had a good enough game and they go instead of Kansas City. Yeah. Yeah. I think the Browns almost caught him in the playoffs a few years ago, right? The Browns had a really good. Totally. The Chad Henney game. Yeah. Yeah. The Chad. That was with Baker, right? Yeah. Chad Henney had to go in for Patrick and led that long drive. And I think he converts fourth and one to Tyreek and the rest is history. That is the thing too. I don't know if it's, it's, it's very reminiscent of the Patriots where it's like, I don't think it's luck because they're just coached so well, but they do always have those big plays to fumble last year with the Ravens where it's like, that's, that's the play of the

game. That's where, where they, they knock it out on the goal line. They, the chiefs always find a way to make those big plays. Yeah. It's like Tiger Woods back in the day. Like, like, well, you know, we're going into Sunday's round against Tiger at a major championship and he's, he's one Tiger Woods back in the day. Like, like, oh, you know, we're going into Sunday's round against Tiger at a major championship and he's, he's one stroke back. You're going to lose, you know, it's like, it's just that feeling of you're going to be, you're going to, you're going to hit a ball out of bounds on 15 or 16 and he's going to make par. And it's, it's the, it's almost like you got to teams are going to have to at some point get over that mental block of, oh, it's

Patrick in the playoffs. Like last year, remember it was, well, they got to go on the road. And they obviously went and accomplished that. And so, yeah, it's just really a mental thing for those teams. And Cincinnati is like the only one that really feels like they've done it and their quarterback has done it. Yeah. Yeah. So let's talk rookie quarterbacks. We are heavily invested in this rookie quarterback class on this show. Yeah, you are. Can you just give us a rundown? What can we expect? What is the ceiling and what is the floor on the first round rookie quarterbacks? Yeah. I won't touch JJ, obviously, because he's not playing the season for Minnesota. But Caleb is remarkably talented. Caleb is as talented physically as a quarterback

that's come into the league, both in the ability to throw the ball and athleticism, as many of them. The names that when you just say physical talent are Andrew Luck and Lamar Jackson. I'm not saying to do it in Kansas City because I've kind of made a promise that I'm not going to do that type of stuff.

But he's got that type of physical gift, that combo of like, oh, you were born to throw, and you throw it differently than a lot of other human beings on the planet, but you move differently than a lot of other people as well. And so, you know, I think that like, if they can stay healthy and those, especially Kenan, Kenan's gotta stay healthy, because especially Keenan, Keenan's got to stay healthy because I

think he's a really big deal when it comes to a super physically talented quarterback. Like if you have a guy that can get open quickly and be a possession person, it helps you play a little bit more boring. It helps you get the body or hands quickly because he's capable of doing stuff with it that inconsistency. Rome's got to obviously play like a top 10 pick. So I think physical talent is remarkable. The thing with Caleb that you know is like one and every young talented dude goes to this like you he's going to have to learn what he what he can and can't do and when he should and shouldn't

you know, like at USC. He had to hit overrun every play because his defense was god awful. There might be games when you just don't have it and your defense is balling and like you might have to take a couple more check downs or sacks will matter. And so like, is he able to figure out that balance of like when to go chase the splashy play and when to be like, no, no, no, this is the NFL and I'm on the road there's Jordan love and, and you know, it's got awful weather. And really the most important thing is me not hurting our football team rather than, you know, chasing points, but I still think he's got a chance to have a really

good season. Jaden, I'm a huge fan of, I think Jaden, you know, the number one quality thrown the ball in the NFL is where you could throw it and can you throw it away from other defenders? I think Jayden does it better than anybody in the class And I think his experience at LSU in really learning Like he had to handle a lot of motion a lot of formation a lot of protection that bodes well for him in the NFL You know, I want to see what Cliff does with their offense. Cliff's offense is a little bit more standstill centric. Hey dude, just go get open or get to space. That's contrary to

what Jaden did at LSU, but I still think he throws it remarkably clean and has a complete control and understanding of windows opening and closing. That's again, a big part of what they did at LSU. He's got to learn to stay healthy in this league and when he takes some shots and when he's not supposed to. But I just think he's so good in the pocket as well, and his pace and feeling the pocket of Washington's offensive line is solid. I think they're gonna be pretty darn good on offense. Drake made development so far has been awesome.

For me, I've always said the Jordan love model. I wouldn't play him this year. I think New development so far has been awesome. You know for me I've always said the Jordan love model. I wouldn't play him this year I think doing his offensive line. I think rookies need three things. Plus scheme and play caller Alex van Pelt is there don't know a ton about them. I know scheme is a little

bit Laflores and Stefanski's. I think this is first time in a long time call and play so like that's to be seen. They need plus offensive line plus skill. They don They need plus offensive line, plus skill. They don't have plus offensive line or plus skill players. So I wouldn't play them, but not in meaningful games, maybe at the end of like November or December.

But I do think he's shown the development with his mechanics that like you're super excited about. Penics, I don't expect to play, but the brief time we saw him, like he looked ready. He looked like he belonged. And then Bo Nix really, I remember when Brock started playing in San Francisco and you're like, you saw that the right way. Or, man, that ball came out quickly. Or, yep, that's where the ball is supposed to go versus that defense. And Bo had a little bit of that in preseason. Now it was

vanilla stuff and whatnot. And they're not nearly as talented on the perimeter. But I am intrigued a little bit more than I thought I would be by bowing in Denver as well So I think all of them got a chance to get off the decent starts Yeah Is it a possibility however remote that Kirk Cousins comes back and he tries to play and he's clearly not fully recovered because that's a serious injury for somebody that's his age, right and maybe he struggles right off the bat and for somebody that's his age right and maybe he struggles right off the bat and maybe they put Pinnix in and if Pinnix doesn't struggle then you've got Kirk Cousins on a brand new contract two years guaranteed at least and they just have to go with Pinnix because he looks good. So I think that the chances of him coming back and maybe the injury impacting like I would say a lot of different

styled quarterbacks, maybe like Kirk's a statue, you know, he, Kirk's going to put his back foot in the ground. He's going to see the defense. He's going to cut it loose. Like, so I don't think the movement element is like that big a deal for him, you know? So I'm, I have no idea how long it takes or what it feels like. I've never done that. Thank God. Uh, So like I would expect him to be kind of the version of himself, you know, and now if he struggles and whatnot, then it obviously could become noisy

because the expectations I think are relatively high and Michael is older and played a ton of snaps, but I just don't expect Kirk to struggle. I don't know the last time Kirk didn't play well. And I don't think the Achilles is gonna be the reason why that he didn't play well really over a consistent period of time. It hypothetically, something happens. Kirk isn't playing well. Michael's got to play and plays really good. Yeah. You're playing the young kid. There's no question about it.

And then you're just figuring out the cousin situation after that. I got a, so this is an interesting season because I think we have a lot of really good coaches that are not on the hot seat, so to speak, but they're in the, they're in the category of they got to win a playoff game. Um, like Mike McDaniel, Mike Tomlin, uh, Mike McCarthy, I guess it's all the mics, all the mics. Do you think that there is something to that? Like if the Dolphins don't win a playoff game, they have a great offense all year and then they just do the same thing where they have a no show in a cold weather environment. What,

what starts to become the vibe with something like that where it's like, you know, you have a good coach, but you got to win a playoff game at some point. Yeah. I don't think there's any chance that Mike McDaniel would get like isn't jeopardy at all. Right. I get your point. Yeah. I just think like with the way the team is built right now, the makeup of the team personnel wise, what they've done with two or what he's done with two. I think also like sometimes like last year they were the one seed and then they just got the Baltimore Raven syndrome of injuries. You know, remember that two or three

years stretch where the Ravens were awesome and it all felt like, Oh my gosh, the whole team got hurt. Like that's what happened with Miami. I think Miami's situation is tough this year just because like they got to wait until about halfway through the season till everyone kind of gets healthy. Jaylen Phillips and, um, you know, chub and, uh, some of their offensive line pieces and they're back like they're, I don't know guys check it out their last eight or ten games are absolutely brutal like if they're not firing on all cylinders their final eight could be a nugget like their their schedule is that hard like they go to Buffalo to New York I think they're up in like maybe baltine like their last eight games are brutal so

I just don't think Mike's at risk because of everything that's happened for that organization. McCarthy, we all know like they're going to have to, they're going to have to play well and win a meaningful playoff game versus like a good team for it to matter. You know, like I go back to the two years ago, when versus the bucks, like the bucks were terrible that year. Anybody was going to beat them. Mike McDaniel, Mike McCarthy and who was the other Mike Tomlin. I mean Mike Tomlin hasn't won a playoff game since 2016. He just signed a new contract. Again, this is not hot seat.

Like I don't think there's no world that Mike McDaniel gets fired, but it's more like preemptive. Hey, this is you guys got to do something here. The Cowboys got to do something. You know? Yeah, no, it's, it's fair. That's you know, the Tomlin one is, is probably a fair one. You constantly hear that over the past couple of years too. And that's a little bit why, like let's live in the world where the Steelers and Russ Russ plays fine. They win. They go nine and eight, 10 and seven. They don't get in or they get in and lose. And what do they do next March? Then right. You're going to be picking 20. Are you going to pay Russ 40, 50, $60 million?

So what do they do at quarterback again? So I think that's a little bit attached to the whole Tomlin situation, but I just don't see, I get your point with the whole, like, it gets really loud conversation out there, but maybe not specifically hot seat stuff. I'm trying to think if there's anybody else that you can kind of put in that category. I mean, Doug Peterson and Jacksonville is fine. Yes. Sirianni would definitely be in that category. I think, I think Sirianni is like, like mid, mid October. Right. I think Sean McDermott who I like is in that category where you know I know there's a transition year but if it's

a transition year and they're resetting that might be the part of the reset. Like there's a lot maybe. Yeah there's yeah like there's guys who I think are good coaches and a lot of teams want but it's very interesting because it's actually when you look at it, it's a Patrick Mahomes problem. Patrick Mahomes ruins everyone else because he sucks up all the wins and the Super Bowls that then you have all these really good coaches. It's like, well, you can't win the big one. Well, no, it's cause Patrick moments, Patrick Moe's. Yeah, it's the, it's the Belichick Brady thing. Like I remember when I first started in TV, like, I don't know. One of the things that I was super passionate about was trying to get people to understand like

there were other great coaches outside of Bill Belichick, even though he, he wins like every game he coaches in and they only are the only team that's going to the same with quarterback. Like, yo, there's other great quarterbacks outside of Tom. And it were kind of in that world with Kansas city and Patrick. It's like, if you're not Andy Reed, let's fire our coach. Right? Like, no, your coach is great. And if you're not Patrick Holmes, like you suck. Josh Allen sucks and Joe Burrow sucks and Lamarce. So we are in that world a little bit where like you just fall short to, you know, those Hall of Famers in a way. But I do think it's not, I don't want to

say it's fair. It's just the reality of life in the NFL, you know And it's it's like if you are good and the expectations constantly rise and you're not meeting those rising expectations Like you're you're you're going to be moved on from because the patience this isn't a thing in that league Yeah, we need to start an updated list of guys that got fired Indirectly because of Patrick because Patrick he's yeah He's killing job. Yeah, he because it is it's true Like he is going to get like if Shama jokingly say it all the time. I always be like yo This is Patrick's fault. Yeah, my home's is fault like it

We can blame Patrick for this like why is this quarterback gonna get drafted in the top five? Because it's Patrick like everybody wants Patrick He's he's he's the what we say on our show is when you get to, when you have a hall fame guy and it goes back to Brady where their last level of being like one of the greatest is they become a thief of joy. So like you can go to like around the league and like, Oh yeah, Tom Brady was a thief of joy. Yes. A 49ers fan. Patrick Holmes is a thief of joy. Like he's taking joy away from you. It's sad. I'll never say this to him. I'll never say this to him because I'm a huge fan of his. Why have I have a son who can't

stand them? Oh, hate. What, what, he's an Eagle. Okay. So that makes sense. He's a thief of joy. He stole the Eagles joy. Yeah. Hates him hate him. He's like, Oh, Patrick Holmes. You know, you get, he gets all the breaks and like, no, he's just the best player on the planet, dude. But, and I would never say it to Patrick. Probably words. You're going to get back to him. Doug thing. But, um, yeah, I got one. He's like, Oh, sucks. I'm like, Oh my gosh, dude. You know what, you know, what's really sad though is at least for me, I think big cat might feel the same way. I would love to be good enough to have Patrick Mahomes steal my joy. Yeah. That's that. I aspire to getting my dreams crushed by Patrick Mahomes. Yeah. So I got a, I got

a fun thought experiment for you, Dan. So we're talking about the chiefs and how great Patrick Mahomes is. Uh, Andy Reed, obviously great offensive coach. They've got some interesting weapons there. If it was the super bowl and you were on the chiefs right now, Dan Orolowsky signed by the chiefs to be the backup quarterback and the chiefs were up, let's say 50 to 20 at halftime. Patrick Mahomes has uncontrollable diarrhea. He can't come out and play the second half and they're like, Dan, you got to step in there. You got to be quarterback right now.

Do you think that you could hold off a 30 point lead in the Super Bowl? Oh, absolutely. We're going to Disney World. That's easy. Sure. You think so? Absolutely. Now your defense gave up 20 points in the first half. Yeah, now we're fine, dude. Like I could I could waste time in and out of the huddle. I could get the bottom of my hands quickly to Travis, probably make one or two throws down the field. and I would live in the Ryan Fitzpatrick world That's what I would live in like hey, dude

This ball's getting chucked and like it might get picked off here or there But I'm also gonna make some big time throw and make all your interceptions deep balls. Yeah, that way it's like a punt Well, yeah, they don't even count. What would be the points we would have to have? For like as a chiefs person like like how many, what do we got to score? No, no, no. What would we, if we were quarterback, Oh, um, to not blow it. Yeah. Either of you guys were quarterback. Cause I saw some of the, some of the competitions over the summer boys. Like, um, we're swimmers, we're swimmers. You can't take that away from us. I saw the talk. Um, you guys would have to have probably a 45 point lead for us to feel good about it. I think that's a little bit disrespectful. Yeah. Cause we could just hand it off. I could, I mean, I'm thinking the other team is going to get six possessions

naturally, maybe five and you're going to give them another three or four. Just go 11 in the box. Yeah. They just can we go under center at all with you too? Or does it have to be the guy? Yeah, I'll go under. Yeah. We might trip and fumble.

No, I'm go under center. I'm short enough. I wouldn't have to even bend down. How tall are you? I'm five eight. Y'all PFT is a QB sneak would kind of be a weapon. Yeah, it would be. I would just do the tush push.

Yeah. Just get me. I'll get do the tush push. Yeah, just get me. I'll get in that guy's ass. It's a good, it's a good, it's a football term. Yeah, it's a football term. Listen, I would go, I would go like six points of contact on the ball. I would run like Mike Alstott. I would be the only quarterback to ever have a cowboy collar and I'd have the neck roll. And then I just.

And a cue collar. Yeah. Just be like, give me the ball. I'm going to get'm gonna get you need you need one yard. I'll get you yard. You need three yards. I'll get you a yard Yeah, yeah, you would probably look like field the H did it the fantasy thing this past weekend. Yeah, let's get Those toughies dislocated his shoulder trying to tackle an inflatable dummy. Yeah on sand to sand Yeah, good, right? on sand to sand. Yeah. Good. Right. I guess on one hand you could be impressed that he was moving fast enough to land hard enough to dislocate it. You know, but that's a tough look. All right. So I got a couple last questions for you, Dan. This has been awesome. Give us your conference finals and your super bowl. Okay. AFC championship game. I'm going to go the Kansas city chiefs and I'm going

to say the New York jets. Oh, all right. So you're not a Florida. Are you not high on the Bengals at all this year? I think I know I totally am. Okay. No, I totally am. I just think, you know, it, it feels like everything always goes against the jets. And yes, last year was such a disaster. I'm banking on a little bit of like good karma coming their way type of thing. But I think this Cincinnati team is going to be back. I've got to see what happens with your mark, right? Like, you know, what happens with your mark? And then the NFC I'll go Detroit and I'll go to Detroit and the Los Angeles Rams. I like that. I paid a fee. Yeah.

Okay. And then Superbowl. I'll say Kansas city and Detroit. I would be great. I, uh, that would be, I mean Detroit and what happens in Patrick Holmes steals. Should we just not ask you what happens? Would it be better if you didn't say what happened in that Superbowl? No, like, cause anytime, like the great thing about being in TV is the only time that people care is when you're right. So like, if you say, it's like taking 35 jump shots, you know, like eventually a bunch of them will go in. Uh, what happens in the Superbowl Kansas city wins. Um, which is somehow some, somehow some way, yeah, somehow some way Patrick, you way Patrick has the ball last type of thing like usual and finds a way to make some stupid throw and Kelsey makes a play.

You mentioned the Rams being the undersea championship game and their run game. I painted a picture yesterday. I'm a big visualization guy when it comes to my betting. And I said, Matt Stafford MVP is not a bad price because he's never been in the MVP, fully in the MVP discussion. It might be one of those, it's all about narratives. And if the Rams are really good, the one or two seed, he could be the MVP.

Do you think he'll throw enough though? Yeah, I do. I mean, and I think like their play action game this year, I expect to be so good, you know, because of the offensive line, those two backs that they have, and then like just how they're going to build their pass game. You know, I think offensively,

the chunks are going to be such a big deal. So again, I don't think the majority of their offense is going to be staffer throwing it for, I don't know, 800 attempts type of thing, but I do think he's going to put up really big numbers and yardage touchdown wise will be extremely high. So I don't hate the Stafford MVP conversation. I don't know if being in LA minimizes that because it's not like a I guess like a massive NFL market but I still think they'll throw up plenty with Sean and him.

Okay yeah I mean the NFL office is like the media office is in Los Angeles so don't they share do they share a building? Are they share some of the facilities with the rims? I think the rims facilities around Thousand Oakstone trailers. Yeah, I thought that they were moving though, because we were, they've been moving for like five years. Yeah. I don't know if they have yet though. All right. So the other LA team, I just want to hear you say what you think hardball is going to do, because we're very high on hardball. We love hardball. We, he told us what don't bet against us, which inspired me to in fact, not bet against them. So I feel like, I don't know the chargers, they had a rough season last year.

Things were way up in the air for them. Um, but I feel like hardball is going to fix a lot of stuff. Even year one. I do. I agree with that. It's just at some point, this league talent does matter. And I don't just don't know how talented they are in the perimeter offensively. Like Justin's going to be playing hurt so how much can he manage the pain with the

whole plantar fasciitis thing. I think their offensive line is going to be a good unit and they'll try to control the ball and get into good situations but like if Lad McConkie is the guy and it's really like the only guy on the perimeter that is concerning because at the end of the day, like I said, like in their division, the Raiders are going to have a really good defense. The Chiefs have a really good defense. The Broncos I think are going to be solid on defense, especially with Sertan. So I do think the Chargers are like a much more competent football team this year at

the end of the day, but you got to have guys on the outside to really, really, really matter. And unless Quinton Johnston, their second year kid from TCU takes that jump and consistently catches the football, they're just not going to be. And so I do think they'll be improved. I don't think they'll be good enough talent wise on the outside to really, really matter. Yeah. Okay. Last question, row back question, R H O B A C K dot com promo code take 20% off your first purchase. Q zips, polos, hoodies, joggers, shorts, swimsuits, everything. Row back.com. This has been so much fun, Dan. Uh, I mean elephant in the room. We have to talk about it. Uh, promo code take row back dot com elephant in the

room. Did you commission that piece or did someone just make it for you and give it to you because that's ridiculous. What's behind you right now. You guys don't have to shine your best moments staring at it. It's a for people who are just listeners. It's Dan Orlovsky and all of his jerseys in the NFL playing and a huge American flag behind it and a huge NFL logo and he's pointing at us. Please tell me someone gifted that to you and you didn't commission that. All right. So a hundred percent a gift. Good. So do you remember the dude Chris Myers used to play center for the Texans? Like on all time, like one of the best centers of his generation. So we've I've known him for a long time, like one of the best centers of his generation.

So I'd known him for a long time, long story short, we played together in Houston. We moved to both our wives from Philly area. They were building a house. He made a lot more money than I did. So they were building a house. We had bought, they already built a house. And so like I was playing still and their family needed

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The Texans won. I played a little bit down there, but not a ton like jobs somehow went from the most injured quarterback ever to the least injured quarterback ever when I was down there. The Lions one, I think that's the year for low in 16. I don't know if I played in a regular season snap in Tampa Bay. I don't know if I did. So like that would technically be from the preseason. Actually my chin strap's unbuckled, so it a hundred percent is. And then this is me to everybody on social media.

The indie world. Pointing, yeah. Yeah. Shut up! It's quite something. I like it. And the American flag in the background is a nice touch too. You did all that for our country.

Yeah. Thank you for your service. Yeah. There's a lot in me and the military. Same level. Yeah. All right. Well, Dan, thank you as always. We'll have you back on this football season. We're just so pumped for football to be back. So you're the best. Yeah. And hopefully all of our predictions come true. I appreciate you guys. Always fun to be on. All right. Thanks, Dan. Dan Orlovsky was brought to you by Sunnyside Cannabis Dispensary. It's your home for judgment free cannabis shopping, a place where all visitors are welcome to explore, discover, and purchase a wide array of high quality products.

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But you weren't yeah, well we weren't we weren't at your level I just want to say congrats to the AWL you guys did a great job on the pole on Friday Yes, absolutely master class. So hats off to you guys. I'm enjoying this duel. Yeah, so we've never done a duel before So we thought the phone has no it actually. No, it actually did. It started. Yeah, it did start. Yeah, PFT did. It will probably be in the PMTV. PFT won longest drive.

So he is going to go first on the first Mount Rushmore and the third Mount Rushmore. It will not be Snake. It will be one and one, back and forth. The duel is going to work because we've never done a duel before and we figured the best way to do this, the fairest way to do it is we're going to have blind polls, uh, truly blind polls. So we're going to put the polls out before the episodes out. So if you're listening to this, you've already voted and it's already been decided.

These guys don't know we're going to show the, the, the polling after. When are we going to announce who won at the end of the show? No, but when are we going to announce, uh, to the world who won at the end of the show. So as of tomorrow morning, it's fair game for us to talk about. They'll know. They'll know and they'll also, they'll hear us at the end of the show. We're going to pull up the blind polls. So it's basically live. We're going to do the Mount Rushmore and put the polls up right after. Not going to look at it. So we'll be surprised when we look at the results. No internet. Pen and paper. Pen and paper, you guys each have a minute when the Mount Rushmore topic has been announced.

Max, Memes and I have discussed. We've come up with three Mount Rushmores that we think are very fair. Now did one of you each pick one or did you pick all three? We threw out a bunch of different topics and then we whittled it down and we figured let's come up with the topic. Basically our criteria was we want Mount Rushmore that won't burn other Mount Rushmores. We want Mount Rushmores that will have some good options and then we want a Mount Rushmore that will make you think. So there's two that I would say are going to be a little bit easier and then

the third will be somewhat difficult but you guys will have exactly level playing field on all three of these Mount Rushmore. This is good stuff. This is exciting. This is good stuff. Alright so the first Mount Rushmore you have one minute. The Mount Rushmore of guitar solos. No I'm just kidding. That was a joke. I started to write Freebird. That was a joke. I was thinking we had just done so, so slick. Do you just want to do that? The Mount Rushmore of breakfast taco places in Austin. Tyson's.

All right. The first Mount Rushmore that you guys will be competing against the clock is up. The Mount Rushmore of HBO shows. PFT has first pick here so they're gonna have a minute. Max would you like to discuss this is thrilling. They're writing down. I just put up a minute on the computer that everyone can see so everyone knows how much time that they have. Yep. Who do you think has the edge in this one. I actually don't know. I don't know. I think Hank thinks that he has the edge, but he probably ended up one of not having the edge. Yeah. I mean they both have watched a lot of HBO shows. Everyone has and this is kind of the, we, we picked this one specifically because it is really like, it's going to be tough to see the voting. I don't think people will be able to figure out who's picking what.

It's going to be great. And remember, you really only need like- 15 seconds. ... eight shows that you can think of because there's only eight picks. 15 seconds, nine, 10 seconds. Five, four, three, two, one. Pens down. PFT, you have the first selection on the Mount Rushmore

of HBO shows to start off the Mount Rushmore duel. I'm gonna take the meatballs of this draft. I'm gonna go with the Sopranos. Great pick. One, one. Great pick. And Max, we can editorialize because it won't affect the voting whatsoever. So we can talk about it. No, yeah, no, that's a good pick. That's a Great pick. And Max, we can editorialize because it won't affect the voting whatsoever.

So we can talk about it. Yeah, we can have a free flowing discussion. Sopranos is maybe it's in the argument for the best TV show of all time. I agree. It was a clear one one. But here's where it gets interesting. It's very funny. It's such a funny show. There's some really good HBO shows. So I love the Sopranos. One of my my favorite shows I think we can all agree was heartbreaking when Tony killed Christopher and when what's his name? Who's the guy that got Phil leotardo got run over by the car, right? Yes. He got squashed and Bobby got shot in the train store, the model train store. That was tough. All right. Off the stomach. Literally you're a big Janice fan, right? You guys were in that show for me. You're

running for thousands of AWLs. You guys should be sickened about the things that you've done to people. But for some reason you enjoy it and that's all right. Okay. So I didn't get to fully enjoy the Sopranos. I haven't fully enjoyed the show. I've seen it a million times. I don't think it's the sexiest pick, but it really is my favorite show ever made.

It's The Wire. Ooh, okay. I had The Wire as a. Good pick. Okay. I had The Wire as a round three pick. Yeah, it's a good pick. It's a great show. You know, it might date yourself a little bit, but that's okay. Yeah.

Yeah, it's not the sexiest pick. You'll get a news vote. Yeah. Yeah, Jason Whitlock's going to vote for you. Mm-hmm. Okay. He only votes for winners. Okay.

PFT. Your pick is up. I'm going to go Curb Your Enthusiasm. Great pick. Easy number two pick for me. Great pick. One of the funniest shows of all time. If we had the live odds right now, PFT would be up 70%.

See, there's a show that I think I enjoy more than Curb. It's Eastbound and Down. Oh, great pick. Didn't see that one coming. I feel like that might have been a reach. It's another good pick. It's a definite reach. It's a great show. Listen, I love Kenny Powers.

Funny stuff. It was a great, what, three seasons? Was it three seasons? I think it was more than that, but I think Well, I only watched three, because then it started to fall off, yeah. There's some good picks out there waiting for you. I'm gonna go Game of Thrones.

I mean, Game of Thrones, it was a cultural phenomenon. You can say what you want about the last season of Game of Thrones. I mean, Game of Thrones, it was a cultural phenomenon. You can say what you want about the last season of Game of Thrones. Are you worried at all that people will think that that was Hank's pick? No, I think they're gonna say this is a person that knows TV. This is- That could have been,

that could have to the voters, they might think it was Hank's pick. Yeah, and I'm- I can't believe Hank let that. I'm a football guy through and through. I'm gonna go hard knocks. Wow! So before we started, Hank said that one of his strategies he might use is trying to muddy the water where people he believes the AWL

is a vote for PFT and he thinks that they'll vote for PFT no matter what. And if he muddies the waters enough, they'll vote for him thinking he's PFT having east bound and down hard knocks. And what was your first thing? The wire. I think having the wire and hard knocks thinking he's PFT having eastbound and down hard knocks and what was your first thing? The wire. I think having the wire and hard knocks he's done a pretty good job of that. Eastbound and down I don't think so. Oh my God. PFT you gotta just go with a banger. Alright so you have hard knocks is your third pick.

He's smiling. Look at him smile. Yeah. Look at him smile. Now see the problem with this is- You know Game of Thrones is my favorite show. Look at him smile. Yeah. Look at him smile. Now see the problem with this is- You know Game of Thrones is my favorite show. Yeah, everyone knows that. It's hard to think of it right off the top of your head because there's a lot of shows

that I want to say like- Correct. Are these HBO shows or not? And I can't remember especially some of the more recent ones out there. So your pick It's gonna be one of the weird ones I can't stop it this is gonna be a weird PFT one and I can't real sex Real sex was great. This is a true person that rushed for it.

Now people won't know which one's VFT. Oh my God. Real sex. Real sex. Have you ever watched an episode of real sex? I have. I've jerked off to it. Yeah, I've jerked off.

There was hundreds of doctors. That one episode they kept on playing where it was just like porn stars fucking like dildos and they just showed it all. Yeah it was a hot this is enlightening. Yeah. Hey hey stunned. He kind of just got you there because like you were going PFT and then he went full PFT. Yeah. Real sex. But it was a horrible pick. It was. Have you ever seen real sex? No. But if the AWLs are voting for PFT they'll see real sex and they'll be like that's PFT. I had to do it. They will. He just put he just pissed all over his Mount Rushmore. No. Cause they're going to see they're

going to see Game of Thrones and be like Hank and then Hank also had the worst pick of all No, what they're what they're here's what here's how they're gonna see it I know exactly how the graphics gonna look they're gonna see the Sopranos and then they're gonna see curb on there and be like That team dominated then they're gonna try to look to see who had the weirder picks But they're not really gonna care because it's gonna be the Sopranos and curb your enthusiasm Carrying my team to a championship. Okay, so Hank you have your last pick. Yeah, you're probably right with that. Uh, Ali G show. Wow. You guys. So, so Shane's listening to this. He's made the graphic right now. Did now,

I know it's hard because you got to think off your head. Yeah. The fact that no one picks succession would have been That's the that's the one I forgot. I wasn't I wasn't a hundred percent sure that it was HBO Yeah, I thought that there was a chat would have been a that would have been a dynamite pick in the third or four Yeah, I thought in the back of my head. There's a chance that this is an Apple Plus show Yeah, because that would have been recency bias. Yeah, I'm voting for it Casey would have voted for it with a Chinese farm factory or because she was in it. Yep entourage also play The fact that fucking

East bound and down went before entourage. Yeah. Yes. Listen those are Those are those are three huge misses It's not it's not so easy to do in one minute when you just have to think about it with no internet Yeah, right everything down. Yeah, Banda Brothers would have been Brothers was a good one and the brothers was a really good one. That was miss. Yeah, I love VEEP I think it's one of the funniest shows Thought that could have been a different different network. You thought that one might have been different. Yeah Sex in the city. I also thought about taking just because it was a big show. I never watched it. But yeah, Mayor of Easttown, not really well known.

That's a good one. White Lotus, the Jinx. I thought Rose did it the entire time. I still think euphoria could have maybe could have locked up the the Jen Jen's ears. Your first three were so strong. I know. Thank you. They were so strong. OK. I feel very good about that. So if I'm putting odds on that, I think I got minus. It's me minus 250. I'd agree with that.

Yeah, I agree. I think Hank's in trouble. Yeah, Hank might be in trouble. All right. So Hank is going first on this next Mount Rush war. Again, we're posting these polls live. So at the end, we're going to see who won all of these So at the end we're gonna see who won all these Is that one up? No, it's gonna be up at eight o'clock. This one is going to be very interesting very interesting

Very interesting very interesting after what we just saw if he's he's going he's going he's trying to muddy the water Yeah, this one is going to be Hank is gonna have to do some thinking with what he wants to do. You guys would be great hosting squid games. You sickos fucking love it. No, we really, when we thought about which three we're like, because we knew HBO would be like, there's so many options and there'd be some misses and there'd be some really good picks. But this one, Hank, you might outsmart yourself. Probably. We are going to do the second Mount Rushmore

and the Mount Rushmore of duels is the Mount Rushmore of quarterbacks. You have one minute. This is gonna be great. It's gonna be great. I'm gonna miss the time of not dueling. I know. I'm obsessed with duels.

I've been wanting this moment for so long and the fact that it's here and Hank just shit on himself. Next year we might have to just change Mount Rushmore season where it's like an actual schedule of duels. We just need duels. Yeah, like everyone plays everyone twice. We just duel each other constantly. Oh. I'm so excited to see where this goes. Yeah, this is gonna be and Hank having the first pick in this one is great. That's very interesting. That's the content gods just coming through for us. I think nosy's got one in the bag so he can maybe get freaky with this one and try to try to reverse it on Hank. 10 seconds. Okay, 10 seconds. Hank, you have the first pick.

Five, four, three, two, one. Pens down. We can still keep thinking. Of course. Yeah, yeah. Of course you can still keep writing. But now it's go time. Now it's go time. Henry, your first pick on the Mount Rushmore of quarterbacks.

Tom Brady. Okay, all right. Okay. We know, I mean, there was a chance. No, I mean, never. I could never live with myself. I can never live with myself. We didn't know, obviously, the order,

so we couldn't have even planned that, that Hank would have to go first on that one while also trying to be PFT. Yeah, okay, I gotta go. Hank's gonna win this one. I can tell you, the way that this draft is gonna shake out, his team is gonna be stronger top to bottom than mine. So I'm going to go with the man Tom Brady passed,

Joe Montana. Okay. Okay. Congratulations, Hank. Henry. Your pick. See Hank kind of only knows. Yeah, it's true. Matt Castle. One so much time is just come on. Make your Patrick Mahomes. Oh my god. Good. If you passed on that Hank I was going to. I was screaming at memes and this is because you're going to pass because you also just locked up. You just made a huge conglomerate

of Mahomes and Brady fans have to vote for that side. That was smart because if he got Mahomes then it becomes like an M.J MJ LeBron thing and you're fucked yourself. I was debating my homes or Montana with my first pick. You should have gone my homes. It's the pick for if you want people who are probably voting in this poll. Correct. Yeah. Yep. All right. So then I'm going to go with Peyton Manning. Okay. Good pick. Henry. Name a quarterback, not name Tom Brady or Patrick Mahomes.

We should have put a shot clock on. Can he do it? Can he do it? Folks, can he do it? Look on Hank's face right now. For people who are listening on podcast right now. Say a quarterback's name. This is Billy on the Street. Aaron Rodgers. Oh. Okay. Whoa. Interesting. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh,

oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, you think he's the greatest quarterback of all time beams right now yes no no no you think he's the greatest quarterback of all time yeah 100 percent you that's what you actually think yep playing ability he's a stud okay you want to muddy the waters in the first one oh no let's muddy the fucking waters Joe Joe Flacco. Put it on the list. Oh shit. That's tough. No Hank. You just I mean you hate you have this. I gotta play. I gotta play defense

now. He's playing defense. You have this. I thought you were gonna say Danny Woodhead that one time he threw a pass. John Elway. Oh good pick. Good pick Hank. All right. You're playing it straight. You're back. That was good pick. Good pick. Hank. All right. You're playing it straight. You're back. That was a good fourth round pick. I think we got a one, one. I think we got a one, one as well. All right. So I'm going to go with Troy Aikman. Okay. Okay. Dan Marino would have probably played well on the. Yeah, but I just got done talking shit about Aaron Rogers winning one super bowl. So that would have been tough for me. Yeah. All right. And throw them up there.

Jamus. I was thinking about if you didn't pick flat, Flacco, I was thinking about doing that to muddy it. But yeah, I'm just, I'm just going to hope and pray on. All right. So your, your four Hank were Tom Brady, Patrick Mahomes, Aaron Rogers, and John Elway. Your four were Peyton Manning, Joe Montana, Montana, Joe Flacco, Troy, a tray that's gotta be me. He has to be you. Yeah, well, we'll see I Wls would be doing some nasty work if I if you didn't win that if I had to do one thing over in that I would Have taken Patrick Mahomes over Joe Montana, but I think that Joe Montana does belong on that list ahead of Pat I think I was thinking about in the second. Yeah, I could get I don't think I don't think Hanks picking Montana I think you would have Okay, about in the second. Yeah, I could get I don't think I don't think Hanks picking Montana I think he would have

Okay, because he only I would pick Peyton Manning. No, he only knows about Montana because Tom Brady broke all his records. Yeah. All right This is a tough one This is we've we've made it so that the third is always gonna be the tough one And you guys again have equal playing field because you both have been present for this Mount Rushmore. So there's no there's no way anyone can have an edge. The last Mount Rushmore in the Mount Rushmore duel is the Mount Rushmore of PMT Mount Rushmore moments.

We only got one minute. Give you two minutes. You want two minutes? Give you two minutes. Yeah, two minutes. PMT, not PMT moments, PMT Mount Rushmore moments. So it's basically the Mount Rushmore of Mount Rushmore. What the fuck? Rushmore's. Well again, you guys have both been present for all of these moments. And

there's only two of you. Like if there was four, we have to talk. This is a podcast. We have to talk during these two minutes or else people will not listen to the podcast. Some may say this is slanted against Hank because he's checked out of Mount Rushmore. Yep. Forever. I also don't know if he took his his Adderall today. Oh no. He had to have on a day like today. I mean this is the biggest day of his life. When are you ever going to duel again. It's seriously. We have 10 seconds of the first minute. Did you take your headphones off. We have to talk. All right, the first minute is up. Second minute coming.

So many great moments to come to think of, right? The way that Hank is reacting right now does not make me feel good for his chances. No, he's not acting from a place of confidence. No. He wants to say shut up again right now. Yeah, he does. He's mad. He's thinking really hard. Memes just said he has two one ones. Wow. I'm not going to lie. I don't think I would be good at this.

This is hard. This is hard. This is a hard one. I think we need more time. Yeah, I think we might. All right. I'm okay with going to three minutes. Three minutes? Okay. I'm okay gonna lie. I don't think I would be good at this. This is hard. This is hard. This is a hard one. I think we need more time. Yeah, I think we might. I'm okay with going to three minutes. Three minutes? Okay, we'll go to three minutes. Three minutes. Do you want me to... I can't say anything to jog memories. No. Yeah, I mean, there's so many that I don't know if they were Mount Rushmore moments or that there were other moments from the show. Rushmore moments or that there were other moments from the show?

I mean, we'll have to have to just check the tapes two minutes are up, right? We're giving them the third. We're giving them a third minute. Given the third minute. How was your weekend, Max? I was fine. Yeah, no, it was fun. It was really good weekend. Good. Good wedding. Yeah, don't don't say fine. Because someone's listening who got married. Yep. Shout out. It was a great wedding. It was fine. I just felt felt like shit today that's why I say it was fine but I don't know much fun at the wedding I don't know how you well I do know how you

do it you're in your 20s yeah I have three more this month yeah I'm exhausted from just watching football yeah I'm going to the park with my kids It was it was basically on loop. I Know that I'm a famous hangover plane guy, but being on a plane hungover is oh, it's if you're doing Mount Rushmore like the last place you want to be hung over a plane is Easily on that list. Yeah. All right. We got nine seconds left boys. Do we need another minute? Are we good? Are we feeling good? Are we feeling another minute of Hank wants another minute. Do you want another minute. It's not another minute. Another minute. The listeners got to be there waiting here. You know what? Let's do a let's do a we'll cut this minute

out. Let's just not talk for the listeners. Okay. Me. It's just 311. But memes also, we also keep talking. We also had, we knew this ahead of time. So this is any of these ups. So a lot of these are going to be, I'm going to be, no, I, I, I can think of a couple. There's a, there's a couple one ones. I can think of a couple. There's a couple one ones. We also just never know what a one one is. We never can explain that. No, although Sopranos and Tom Brady was a one one. I don't know if I wouldn't have been surprised if Hank picked Game of Thrones one one. I'm not a Game of Thrones guy, but so many people. But he was trying to money the water. I know

I'm trying to money the water. Real sex He got some crazy answer. Five seconds left by the way. It was a crazy real sex was insane. All right. We're done. Are we what are we doing? Okay. All right. We're doing it. Let's go. We're doing it. PFT. You have your first pick on the Mount Rushmore of PMT Mount Rushmore moments This could be to decide the duel. Okay Right off the bat I'm gonna go with a recent one debating the color of cheese for four days Interesting. What do you want that say on the graph? Yeah, I Wanted to say

I'm shocked. I Don't think that was one. I wasn't one one. I wanted to say... I'm shocked. I don't think that was one... I wasn't one-one. I'm going to say... I'm shocked! Hank is shocked! Debating... Hank's face is shocked!

Screaming at each other about the color of cheese for four days. Okay. Okay. Shane... I... I'm shocked. Hank, you're one one. My one one in part of my take Mount Rushmore moments is the pizza toppings. That's that's that's the one one. That's the one one. I forgot

about that. I mean, but that they might think because that was such a bad Mount Rushmore for Hank. He they might think that that was you. Yeah. Yeah. My dad was shocking. That was bad. I might have the first thing I thought of. Hank is in shock still. Okay. I'm so deep in my own grave. This is all of our own moments. So it's like our stupidity. Then you have to pick which ones it's really it's really the human centipede going on right now in podcasting history. We're eating our own ass. I'm going to go with my second pick. This Mount Rushmore duel that we're doing right now. That might have saved him.

Who knows? But people haven't listened. Cake's looking like he's home free. I'm going to go with a single hornet. Oh! I had that on the list. That was one of my one-ones. I had that on the list.

Single hornet, I stand by that. The most outrageous answer in the history of Mount Rushmore. He F T might be playing a masterful mind game because those are PFT like the AWLs. They look in the sea pizza topping a single hornet. They're going to think PFT. But then wait, no, no, no, no. I just reversed myself. You got to just play the game. Hank's playing it masterful. Hank has, you don't know who is playing masterfully. No, Hank has PFTs picks right now. He has both your picks. Shit. No, he's going to fucking pull this off. Now there's still two picks that Hank could easily fuck this up. I'm not sure if this is Mount

Rushmore moment. So I might get denied on it. Alright, that's fine. Jack Nicklaus. Yep. It was? Yeah. Good answer. Alright, so you want to say Billy's pronunciation? Billy mispronouncing Jack. Memes is challenging that.

Nicklaus. Why? He thinks that it wasn't a Rushmore moment. I think it was. Oh, it wasn't. Oh, no. Wait, what? He was doing it for a Who's Back.

He was doing it for like a Who's back or a hot seat or cool throne All right, so we'll damn I had that on the list. I think PFT lose it can pick again at the end No, he gets to pick again. No, he gets pick again right now. That's fine. I was gonna I was gonna say it I was gonna say it and confirmed how to equal through okay be colder. Okay. I fucked up. Because I forgot about it. I didn't have the opportunity to forget about it. It's literally the entire listen when you're when you're under the bright lights, but that's a little bit different. That's the villain origin story of Hank in Mount Rushmore season. It's how we got

here. That's actually true. Yes. Every every Hank Hank the pizza toppings draft you hit it and that's how we got to this point. Mm hmm. Okay. Pft's pick. He's gotta get a pick in. We're gonna need a pick. Hank not taking boobs in the Mount Rushmore of round things. Did that just happen? I think.

A couple weeks ago. We've been doing this for nine years, PFT. Hank's talking shit. Hank's doing a deal. All Pfts picker this year's. Yeah. Although that could help recent AWLs. I will go with hot soup coming through. Oh, was that Mount Rushmore moment? I believe it was. I think it was memes. Check that out. Not rush more of things we think really that I said it during that probably because you were talking about moving through crowds. I think I think one

of my pick was moving through crowds. Yeah. All right. Okay. So hot soup coming through counts as a as a Mount Rushmore moment. We've gone to the booth. we found it. So that is your third pick Pft your fourth pick. Okay, I'm gonna go season one, okay Scott van Pelt doing the bracket of Mount Rushmore's to finish off Mount Rushmore's love that pick That was a good pick. I had that on my list that I just came up with in my head Now it's the first time we had SVP on the show. Yes. Yeah. We're going to go meet him in like some rented office space in Bristol because he didn't want to bring us anywhere near

Yeah, anywhere near home base. We're on a whiteboard. It's good pick. Hank, your fourth pick. I will also go season one. It might give it away that it's me but I don't think it should matter jumping off a bridge to cure hangover okay that's a good one I couldn't think of much else I I would you guys have anything else on the list I played recently bias yeah yeah Jack Nicklaus yeah Jack Nicklaus I thought was Mount Rushmore Jerome Bettis Yeah, I thought about that taking Jerome Bettis Hank

Teamed up with Max and then Hank leaving town and Max dominating well, well Matt well, hey Oh, that's a great one. Yeah, mr. Positions mr. Positions titty. Yeah, that was both the same one Yeah, the Mount Rushmore of numbers. Oh, oh Mount Rushmore of draft positions with Jerry Oh, that's what it was. Oh, yeah, when he just didn't understand. I think his third pick was like Austin Eckler. Yeah Man Okay Boys, how do we feel? I feel great. I think I would say Hank is minus Boys, how do we feel? I feel great.

I think I would say Hank is minus 170. And all, I mean that first pick was. Hank's minus. I couldn't believe it. Yeah, yeah, big miss, big miss with Pizza Toppix. You didn't even write down Pizza Toppix? I did not, just didn't think of, didn't occur to me. It's like all I think about,

cause it literally is the start of Grumpy Hank. I know. Yeah. I'll never forget it. He's never changed from that moment on. Listen, you gotta have a short memory in this game before and after pizza topping So the book like we do a part in my takebook It would be like the like volume one would be before pizza toppings volume 2 after I'll say this

If I win this because of pizza toppings, it'll be a full circle moment You'd let go I think I would. You would let go? I would. At that point, the pizza toppings draft would be the start of the championship DVD for Hank. Yeah. For your mindset. So next summer you wouldn't be grumpy? No.

Wow. Because you used it. You reclaimed it. I don't believe that. You took that back. Oh man. Okay. We couldn't use that as an insult anymore.

It's a good point. It's true. Yeah. Memes, what were your one one picks that you you thought about? Pizza toppings. Yeah. Yes one single hornet. Yeah, and the draft positions was also just one of the funniest things Okay, you guys just kept picking numbers Jerry O'Connell couldn't figure that one out I wasn't sure about single hornet because I wasn't sure if I remembered it so well because it happened to my pick or if it was That the worst the

Yeah, it was the mountain for pizza toppings. That was the like most it was like Yeah, it was scary. I was like animals. You'd want enough fight to the death. Yeah, yeah single hornet. Just fuck with you Oh, yeah to be on your side Yeah, cuz it can sting you repeatedly doesn't lose a stinger and then. And then if the other person's allergic, guess what? They're done. You guys letting Billy pick eight picks when you guys only have four is also so funny. I also thought about Hank blowing the Mount Rushmore off Taco Bell.

Yeah. That thought crossed my head. Or Jake and Billy doing AI Taco Bell. Both of them admitting beforehand they'd never had Taco Bell. And they just were like oh these are Forget the one that I couldn't I couldn't remember which means it wasn't but though what did I Jake in the old studio in? Chicago said something last summer that was legitimately like stunning

I just can't I can't remember it specifically, but I thought it was like the funniest I just I couldn't remember it off the top of my head There were a couple Jake moments that I that I about. One was the Mount Rushmore of blue things, when he accidentally said a competing blue sponsor. And he wanted to kill himself. Yeah, he did. We initially were like, Jake, oh my god, I can't believe you did that. We gave up the joke with Jake after about 30 seconds,

because it deeply affected him. Yeah, he was so upset. And then I also thought about Billy when he would go off script from Jake. Yes. And they'd get into such big fights. I mean that's just an entire summer yeah yeah okay so we're gonna pause to do the rest of the show and when we come back we will pull up the polls that will be final by that time and we'll figure out who won good luck boys I congrats to Hank I think Hank is the the clear favorite so I'm not

feeling too confident in my guys right now. Okay. Okay boys you just listened to the Mount Rushmore duel. It's been the longest two hours in my life. Longest two hours ever. We've done the voting. We've all I have not seen a single poll. No. And you go put the cans on. Hank put the cans on. You're gonna want to hear what memes and Max have to say. We're gonna pull up the polls and then on Wednesday's show So we do have a show tomorrow as well On Wednesday's show the loser will pick out of a hat to see what they have to do Hank It was a pleasure to compete against you any regrets before we go look at the poll big regret entourage

entourage succession big regret leaving them off. Succession, didn't know if it was 100% an HBO show or not. Entourage was just a miss. Pure and simple, just a miss. Would have loved to have the internet to look this up. And then obviously I wish I had taken Single Hornet. Wait, are you still not saying you regret his pizza topping?

Well I completely, well obviously I regret that but I didn't even write down pizza toppings on my list. I'm still flabbergasted by that because that's all I think about. Yeah, pizza toppings, the fact that I didn't think about it to even write down on my list, big fuck up on my part, and then I did have Single Hornet on the list, but I didn't take it because I thought maybe since it's about me Maybe I thought it was more important than other people would think that it was I just got in my head on that one Yeah, okay Hank any regrets no you feel confident. Let's throw on the field. Okay, so poll one HBO shows do we have it max are we pulling it up memes?

Pull it up. I'd rather hear it from somebody. Oh you want to hear it. Okay, well no HBO shows Team one 79% of the vote that was PFT. That's be a say that for the listeners team two Team two got 21% of the vote on the means those is math. It's about what I expected All right, so PFT is up one to nothing How many of the replies were like, both these lists were dog shit? Everyone was just mad about Entourage. Yeah, fair.

Yeah, I mean, we should put, there's a disclaimer, you guys were under a lot of pressure in the duel. The duel is not easy to go right off the rip, not even have a second to think, you have one minute to think. So okay, this one is going to be interesting. Team to think so okay this one is gonna be interesting team one is who in this one team one is Hank okay team one 85% oh my god blood bath congratulations Hank I would have loved to know what happened if you had Patrick Rahomes in that draft.

And then I'm going to guess that in the third one, we're going to see a result that's very similar to the second poll. I think Hank took it home with like 80% of the third poll. Okay. The third poll, who is team one? Team one is PFT. And the third poll. Team one.

55%. Whoa! No way! No way! Oh my god. No way! What? Hank!

Wow. Hank! What? Listen. No way. Are you serious? Serious. Hank. How? He pulled it off.

Hank should have won. Hank thought he had that in the bag. Shout out to the AWOs. Oh my God, Hank. You thought you had that in the bag. How is that possible? I think what color is cheese was huge for you, BFD. Because it was so recent, yeah.

Oh, Hank. Give us your thoughts. I think it was a good choice. I think it was a good choice. I think it was a good choice. I think it was a good choice. I think it was a good choice. I think it was a good choice.

I think it was a good choice. I think it was a good choice. I think it was a good choice. I think it was a cheese was huge. Because it was so recent. Yeah. Oh Hank, give us your thoughts. This is justice for the AWLs. They wanted Hank to lose. I'm stunned. Summer of Hank officially over. Yeah, that's the moment. That hurts. That hurts a lot. When I heard 81% I thought it was over. Yeah. 1033 on Monday, Monday September 2nd the death of the summer of Hank So, I mean this is this is even worse for pizza toppings now in Hanks memory 25% 25,000 votes Hank got double fucked by pizza toppings. Oh my god Hank So now you're gonna hold pizza toppings against us forever Yeah, that hurts that that hurts that hurts a lot. I don't,

I don't know what. I can't believe that. I'm shocked. Yeah. Oh, also. Oh shit. PFT with this. Now I'm seeing it in the graphic form. That was genius. What he did. Oh my god. Your third pick Hank not taking boobs is the biggest giveaway of any of the graphics. Hank would never take Hank not taking boobs. Yeah. Wow. That was a, I don't know if you meant to do that. I didn't. I just, but that's exactly what it it is when you look at the graphic and you look at it team two has a Heavier light but team one Hank not taking boobs is a dead giveaway

You should have taken Hank not taking boo. I don't regret anything. I really have no regrets You asked me before PFT one fair and square this this is gonna hurt you thought you had I thought you had it I thought I had it easy Hank. Are you gonna hold me taking Hank not taking boobs against me? No, I mean you changed the graphic Like three different times Do we need another jewel? Cuz you're real your pick was Hank not taking boobs in the x-draft but round things draft yeah Yeah, but then the graphic was just

Hank not taking boobs. Yeah. That's a it's the story. Pick was Hank not take. Oh, I see what you're saying. That does. It does look better just saying Hank not taking boobs. It's the start of the sentence. Yeah. Without the finish. And you asked them to change it. Oh man. I thought that encapsulated my pick. I'm seeing some of the replies and people are like, it's clear. PFT team one. Wow. Yeah. I mean you, he outsmarted you. You won. You changed the graphic. You did good. I'm happy for the AWLs because I think, you know what, Hank, they really wanted Hank to lose. You know what, Hank, whatever the punishment is that you have to do,

I will volunteer myself to do part of it alongside you. No, it's all right. It's all right. I will. It's all right. You won fair and square. I wouldn't do that for you, so. I know you wouldn't, but I would do it for you.

It was a good battle. That hurts. I'm shocked. I thought I lost. Man, I want all the I want the clip of Hank when PFT didn't take pizza toppings. I want the clip of Hank when he just lost. That was that truly was a great moment though, because you I thought you had won it. Yeah. I thought the only way was somehow the flacco thing to Hank not taking boo. I thought the third, the third poll was a win. I thought, I thought I lost the Mount Rushmore. People have regency bias.

I think. Yeah, that's, that's what I think. It's the third pick. Don't you third pick looking at it now? The graphic change was big. The graphic change. The graphic change from what you actually said to just changing the graphics. Because Hank not taking boobs in the round things draft doesn't come off nearly as hard as Hank not taking boobs. Right.

And you said Hank not taking boobs in the round things draft. Hank not taking boobs in the round things draft. The only way this could end is more conscious. Would have also heavily implied that it was me saying Hank not taking pics in the round things route But you you say it is what it is. We're arguing about deleting. I'm not arguing couple words So what you did you did ask them to delete them twice. I miss twice. So hey, what did that happen in person?

Yeah, and I think he went over there. Oh You made your pick look better than what you act like you should have just said Hank not taking boobs But you said Hank not taking boobs in the round things draft Then you saw that on the graphic and changed it to something that looked better What were your picks in the last is that fact or fiction? What are your picks in the in the last Mount Rushmore? It doesn't matter, but I'm just but did you but I'm curious know max. Can you tell me what they are? Memes pull them up I had pizza toppings a single hornet. Mm-hmm hot soup coming through and

Jumping off a bridge to cure a hangover Mm-hmm, and where are those the ends of your entire explanation for what your pick was? Yeah, that's what I said when I said when I what's your pick? That was my answer. Okay well more controversy. Hank I'll do I'll do some of the punishment with you. No no it's fine you won fair and square you you made sure you change those graphics and then you won. Wow. Wow. I didn't realize I missed this whole graphic change thing. I think that's fair I think that's fair to say Hank not taking boobs Then why don't you say that the first time? Why don't you say that?

Why did you say I did say Hank not taking boobs in the brown things? Yeah, but I also said Hank not taking boobs Yeah, maybe It is what I I Regret nothing. I mean I my picks were good. I thought I won I Didn't I'll do the punishment. I can read the room and the room right now is thinking hanks got a point Color of cheese also got changed. Yes, we said two things. I didn't even know that well that what that wasn't one of the original What what color is cheese? What did it get changed? But your first one was arguing about yeah, you just change the answers to things You didn't but those are the the moments are the same

But our picks like it's the same thing as what happened with a random guy Like your pick is what you say not what you want to look like on the graphic But it's your pick my pick was the what color is cheese debate so that's why what color is cheese was on there your pick was screaming at each other about the color of cheese okay again I can read I can know I I can I can read the room but no I have no problem with it shut the fuck up you also didn't like Shane said this in the group text you didn't answer this in the group text you just went up to him Oh No, because they because they asked me that's why I asked because they asked me are you fine with this graphic?

Did I did I go up to you or I said I said are those two correct and then you changed the other two You said you said is this graphic fine? I said are do these match what your corrections were? And then you were like, can we do it to Hank not taking boobs and what color is cheese? We, yeah, I shorted the Hank not taking boobs to Hank not taking boobs. And the original correction was the Scott Van Pelt one.

This is Philadelphia 2020 all over again. OK, so like I said, I can read the room. I can read the room and I steal, I can see that Max is saying that Hank might have a point here. I can hear in memes his voice. I don't, I think memes also might be upset because I asked him to do like one second more work. And that's what he's upset about. So I can, I can understand. I would like to say on the record, I'm, I'm siding with you. You're, you're happy I won. Yeah, but you're not but you know that Hank also has a point He has a point. Oh, I don't know what I would like

What I was a Tyler van Dyke shit, I'm out on so what I would like to do had to me I know no, I know let me let me know shut up. You got what you wanted you want I'm doing the punishment. I don't want your sympathy like no do like that's not What you're doing that's not that's not that's not you doing? That's not, that's not, that's not what I'm saying. It's over. It's over. It's over. It's over. That's not what I'm saying, Hank. What I'm saying is, It's over. I would be willing to run the duel back on Wednesday. Are we gonna duel again?

We're gonna duel again? I would be willing to run the duel back on Wednesday. A re-duel? A re-duel. Because I acknowledge that this could be looked at as me changing it. I wasn't trying to get away with anything. But what I was trying to do was just say what I said on the show Have the have the text match the moment that I selected but I can see how it comes off the other way So I would like to offer a redo should we let the listeners decide I need a yeah

We should have them vote. I need a glove and well, they're gonna vote for a read. I know yeah I need a glove to slap Hank in the face with and challenge him would you do you accept the redo I challenge you to duel we're never gonna get on Mount Rushmore season yeah of course I would accept the redo but I'm I also don't like let's fucking redo so Hank if you win if you win do you tie in the redo and then we have to do a third redo let's fucking that Best two out of three? Or if you win the redo, are we saying if you win the redo then it's your win? Right now it's one to one Mount Rushmore's.

Yeah. Or two to one, you're technically up. But if you're taking that one off the board then it's one to one. Okay so we can take that one off the board and then do one more Mount Rushmore for everything? That works for me. One more duel? One more duel? Mount Rushmore? everything? That works for me. One more duel? One more duel? Mount Rushmore?

A single duel? A single duel. For Wednesday's show. For Wednesday's show. So we'll re- so we would redo and do the same thing post the poll right away? Yeah. We, if we do that, you have to say exactly what you want on the graphic in the moment. Like you can't have any, no modifications.

So a single redo? A single redo. Works for me. You're going to redo? PFT, you're going to redo? Yeah. Can we see a handshake? Any time, anywhere.

Shake hands, shake hands. Shake hands on the redo. Wow. I didn't realize that there were so many graphic changes, but I still stand with PFT. Me too. Me too. So why are we redoing?

I could hear it. I could hear the controversy and I don't want this to be controversial. I want this to be. No, it's not at all. No, there's no controversy. May the worst man lose. You did win fair and square,

but you're taking off the board yourself. I did't I did not ask you for redo you offered it I felt I I began to feel bad because there were significant changes that were made to the graphic that is a hundred percent correct I don't think I violated the spirit of the rule But I'm willing to acknowledge that the listeners deserve to have a clean cut no Fair amount rush more dual conclusion. Yeah Alright, so max max memes. We got to come up with a fucking banger amount. We do we got to come up with one That's killer Yeah, it also doesn't allow for any hijinks Simple as hijinks or just you know, whatever you say goes on the graphic.

Yeah, or whatever you say goes on the graphic. Memes is mad. I knew memes is mad. I didn't realize you went up to Shane. Shane, do you have anything to say? Shane, do you have anything to say? I talk to memes, memes talk to Shane. Oh, that was smart of you.

Well no, cause you're out of direct... It's like Connor Stallion. No No memes came up to me with the graph He's like how does this look and then I looked at him and I wore the changes that you asked Shane you see you You you you were given orders from memes Shane hello. Yeah Podcasts doing a podcast. Well, I didn't know if my mic was unmuted. I was given orders by multiple people. Wow. Who? First it was, I think, Max.

Max told me PFC had some... Well, the first one was justified, the Scott Van Pelt one. Okay. Because it got a little wordy and it was not necessary. The cheese one was what I initially had written was you corrected what you initially said

and you said you wanted it to say screaming at each other about the color of cheese for four days straight and then there was another change after that was made. Yeah, to what color is cheese? Correct. Yep. And then the Hank blue just isn't what you made. Yeah to what color is cheese correct? Yep, and then the Hank It just isn't what you said. Yeah, it was the moment though was the what color is cheese moment The Hank boobs one was I think the most egregious egregious it looking at the graphic I now see why PFT won that like it's a clean graphic It's clean graphic

We should repost the original graphic and see who won. That should be the redo. Who would have won? All right. So, uh, wow. Redo. So tomorrow's show, we're going to have a redo. So, uh, AWL. I'm curious as to what people are going to, if people are going to be happy about this or mad or what. Yeah, I don't know. Uh, if they they're mad at anybody they can be mad at me. No be mad at me. No I prefer that they're mad at me. I don't want anyone to be mad to Hank. So let's do the Mount Rushmore. We'll do it in the morning and then we'll post the poll. Why don't we post the poll right before we record the rest of the show and we won't

look at our phones again. So we'll only leave like won't be like an hour. We'll know we'll time it up So it's not like we have to be off our phones first the whole afternoon Redo by the way, the guy's still not he's deleted his Instagram and his Twitter and everything else the guy who's supposed to eat shit I will talk shit. I will I will make sure this guy eats his shit He should eat I'm not gonna rest until he eats his shit. He should have been poop in the cup. Yeah. Yeah, I love Ben Max didn't say anything. Wow. I love I Love I love Ben. I love Ben Okay, redo we got to come up with a great Mount Rushmore boys. It's got to be awesome

We got to think and when I say we I got to think. Unless memes are max you got anything you're gonna say color give us a color color would actually be pretty good. Oh should we drop a color on them. You know what AWLs give us give us some tips give us some tips throw some tips to, and memes away. We'll look through them. Okay. Good show, boys. Re-Duel's on. And then we should have the hat ready to go as well. So the loser has to pick out of the hat. So we can just be done with the Mount Rushmore season. How about we do the hat first? Oh, I love that. I love, love, love that. I love that idea, Max. That's a great idea.

All right. So we'll have the Max. That's a great idea. All right, so we'll have the hat, so we'll be done. We'll be done with Mount Rushmore season. Okay, numbers. 10, 3. 10, 6, 3. Robin, Ben. 3.

3. 8. 97, Pug. 40. If either of you get it right now, do you, the other one's a loser? Yes. I love that. Yep. I agree. 8 and 40. Okay. Everyone say their numbers? 10, Ben. 21. 56. Pug did 97. 15. 15.

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