Pardon My Take - Richard Jefferson, Meatball Molly + Celtics Win Game 1 With An Insane 4th Quarter

Episode Date: June 3, 2022

The Celtics win Game 1 with an insane 4th quarter and Hank is still in shock. We break down what exactly happened. (00:02:29-00:19:28) Then kick it back to the studio to talk about The Match and Mike Trout Fantasy GM. (00:20:57-00:34:49) Richard Jefferson joins the show to talk NBA Finals, what it takes to win, who the X Factor is and tons more. (00:35:58-01:12:53) We then have our colleague UFC Fighter Meatball Molly in studio to talk about her career, Liverpool, beating people up and tons more. (01:14:51-01:46:28) We wrap up with Fyre Fest of the week. (01:47:32-02:02:23)You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/PardonMyTake

Hey, pardon my take listeners, you can find every episode on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or YouTube. Prime members can listen, ad-free, on Amazon Music. On today's part of my take, Game 1 of the NBA Finals, what a fourth quarter by the Celtics. We're going to recap that. It is old school, me, PFT, Hank, and Bubba, just the four of us in the room. The other guys are up doing the PLL stuff in Albany. We have Richard Jefferson on the show.

We have Meatball Molly, which Molly the Meatball, which was an awesome interview. Great show coming for you, and we finish up with Firefest, and we're brought to you by our friends at Visible. What would you do with extra money you'd save by switching to Visible? You could pay $60 with some carriers, or as little as $25 a month with Visible. With the extra money, you could take someone on a date, or maybe just live your single life and buy yourself dinner. Speaking of singles, who was the single most visible player of the night, PFT?

Big Al. Al Horford. Yep. What a guy. Incredible performance by him. All-time Al performance. All-time Big Al performance, six for eight from three, crazy, crazy game from him and the entire Celtics in the fourth quarter.

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Hank, only, I mean, you have, go ahead, you're the star of the show. You were dead, you were dead, then PFT brought you back to life with washed Oreos, and how are you feeling? I'm absolutely elated. I'm floating on cloud nine. I really don't even believe what happened. I was, I was so down, I was starting to not even watch the game, covering my, my ears with my, my hands because I just couldn't watch anymore.

And then PFT, my savior, my guardian angel came over and he said here, have an Oreo and he handed it out to me and then he said, wait, took out his water. He said, let me, you know, moisten it up for you, wash it for you, wash it for you. He washed it, handed it to me and it, it just hit the spot and then the Celtics flipped the switch and just dominated it. I put some stank on that Oreo for you too. Extra water. No, Hank was dead.

You cheated it. Hank was, he was passed out on the couch. He looked like he was getting the spins. He looked like he was bringing back planking. And I came back and I thought, our dear boy, what has happened? What have they done to my boy? And it was good to see your eyes from that. I actually looked up the score since the washed Oreo.

The Celtics went on a 54 to 28 run. Yeah. It was nuts. 40 to 16 in the fourth quarter. It was, I mean, the Warriors after like a crazy third quarter where the Warriors were like 39 to 14. Yeah. The Warriors felt like they had everything going.

Steph Curry was incredible. First quarter hit six threes, which is, I think it tied a record for a quarter and it looked like it was going to be the Warriors night. And then the Celtics came out in the fourth, could not miss. They started seven for seven from three, Al Horford, Derek White, who, I mean, Peyton Pritchard, they were just hitting everything and their defense was incredible. Like they completely locked down the Warriors. The Warriors couldn't do anything.

I have a little, I have a question for you, Hank, a little subtle thing that Eme Udoka did going into the fourth quarter. Did you realize that Marcus Smart didn't check back into the fourth quarter until there was 347 left? He like, he basically was like, we're going to come back, but we have to do it as a team, not with one guy. And it worked. Like they played team ball and also I don't understand what the Warriors were doing where

like Peyton Pritchard was on Steph Curry because Marcus Smart was on the bench and they didn't attack Peyton Pritchard the entire fourth quarter. It was crazy. Like they, they just didn't, they, I don't know why they didn't attack them, but he basically let them have Marcus Smart on the bench because he's obviously the best, you know, perimeter defender. Yeah. I mean, Marcus Smart on the bench, just chomping at the bit.

I feel like that's not a bad coaching strategy for a guy like Marcus Smart. Like have him on, on leash and you're like, hey, all right, sick him and then let him loose like a dog and let him out there and let him go out there and fuck shit up. And that probably wasn't like the play. He probably wasn't like, oh, we got to keep Marcus Smart on the bench. He probably was saying, we started the fourth quarter. Look how good we're playing. Let's not mess this up.

It's, it's nobody moves. Yeah, right. Whatever's going on right now, we're going to keep this as is, but it's also, it's cool to see Marcus when he jumps off the bench because he does provide that spark. And when you leave him in too long, I feel like it becomes too much Marcus. Yeah. It was a crazy game. I, I'm like, I'm equally as stunned because in Jason Tendon played horrible.

Yeah. He did. He did. And, and I know that like in Steph Curry played great and I know that will be the storyline. Now obviously the Celtics had, we're going to talk to Richard Jefferson. He's going to explain, he actually kind of predicted this, which is a great interview that you need those guys like Derek White now, Horford to step up and they did. And it was crazy.

He also predicted, I will save it for later, but the way that Richard Jefferson, the record will show he was correct when we interviewed him earlier today. Hank, you got to be feeling good, Billy. So we were saying earlier that Billy is probably feeling pretty good because Jason, Jason Tendon didn't play that well tonight. I actually think it's bad for Billy because they won this game and that's just game one. If they do end up winning, they're probably going to win some of those games because Jason Tendon plays well and they're probably going to give the MVP to Jason Tatum.

If that happens. Hank, it was a game of quarters, as it always is for these Celtics. Yes. Was it two to two? Yeah, two to two. It was two to two. So it's two to two. So it's two to two.

Even quarters bad, even quarters good. Okay. Yeah. I love it. But like you got to be feeling… That's the old, that was last series. Oh, that was last series. We moved on from the quarters.

You got to feel confident though. Like this was a game that if you won this one… Some were saying it was a must win for the Warriors. Yeah. I actually believe that. I said that when the Celtics were down like 15 and you were buried in the couch, had given up. I didn't get them up.

You were like, you can't wash. Sometimes you can't wash. You were neck deep in that couch. You were watching someone die. You don't want to watch that. But you know, the NBA is like, it's all swings. I know once they swung. So I swung back up.

I did think that this was a must win for the Warriors. I really did. Because like the rest, you know… So now they're done. Yeah, they might be done. Yeah. No. If you said it was a must win and they didn't win it.

I think they might be done. The next game, is it Can't Lose? I really do think that the way they lost this and the fact that the Celtics… They had so much rest. The way the Celtics, like, I know that they're shot making, like that's the thing is like you can play the game, Jason Tatum had a bad game. I don't think the Celtics will also go seven for seven to start the fourth quarter from three every game.

But what the Celtics can rely on and what they do better than anyone else is they locked down on defense. And that was like, you know, it's like complimentary football. Like when they start locking down on defense, then they start getting easier shots on offense and it just avalanched on the Warriors. And I could be wrong, but I do feel like the, you know, they've been playing up the narrative, the Warriors have so much experience and the Celtics have none. That kind of goes out the door after the first game.

Like the, if you had, if the Celtics had like pregame jitters and it's their first finals and they're nervous, like, I don't think that carries over after the first game. Like all those feelings are probably out and they realize now it's like, all right, it's a regular series. Like, you know, next game is a regular game. I… You guys agree? I think Jayden Tatum, I think he was nervous going to this game.

No, he was. This game. Yeah. Those nerves are out now. Yeah. Oh, they're totally out because he knows, he doesn't have to do it all himself. Yeah. He was super uncomfortable in the first quarter.

And Steph Curry, you saw like, he was obviously experienced. I think every time Steph Curry breaks a record now, he's breaking an old Steph Curry record. Yes. That's like the level that he's achieved as a shooter right now. He broke his own record for most threes made in a quarter of an NBA finals game in the first quarter. And then he scored in the second. And then he scored in the second.

Then he got tired. Maybe that's the playbook. But Steph go off at the first quarter, let him tire his shooting arm out. And then at the end of the quarter, I think he threw up that like 70 footer. Yeah. Second quarter, he was fatigued and the scoring goes downhill. I also think there's a chance E-Maze's greatest coaching move was having them not play defense on Steph Curry in the first quarter.

Yeah, they didn't. So that way, once he was taking shots that were contested, it was rattling him. Get him a different look. Yes. Yeah. Yeah, that's smart. That's actually genius because there were a few moments where it was like, oh, you should guard Steph Curry.

Yeah. That's what Brad Stevens had cooked up today. Yeah. He was like, we're going to throw a real wrinkle at him. We're going to rope it open. You got to be feeling sky high though. I can't believe it. So the way it all flipped, the way it went, because it wasn't even a gradual flip.

It was dead domination in a five minute basically period. The Warriors looked dejected. Because the Celtics have had those quarters throughout the entire playoffs where it's like they just fucking dropped the ball, 39 to 14, lose all momentum, lose the game. And it's like they played well the other three quarters, but they had that one letdown quarter. And then, boom, they actually just outquartered the Warriors. Yeah, they outquartered them.

Yeah, they outquartered them. Yeah, they outquartered them. They drawn and quartered them. And he thought 39 to 14 was good. Yeah. I thought it was 39 to 14. Also credit to Big Al, Al Horford. I mean, incredible game.

So he's been, he has the most playoff games ever played without playing in an NBA finals until this year. And this was 38-24. This was Big Al's moment. You could tell, like, Al Horford had been preparing for this moment his entire life. And he went out there and he delivered. And it's also fun to see him occasionally get the ball in the open court, because sometimes he forgets that he's not a point guard anymore.

But there were like three or four fast breaks where he tried to run the point. And it's very funny. It's like watching a deer trying to ice skate. Yeah, he finished six for eight from three and with 26 points, nine for 12 from the field. That's the thing. I don't know what the Warriors' fix is on defense. You just hope that the Celtics shot 51% from three. It was insane.

Has there been a solid offensive player that has gone downhill as much as Draymond Greend? No. We were talking about it. He used to, in 2015-16, he shot 39% from three. And he was taking three a game, so it wasn't like he was just taking one a game. And I don't know, I think he had a couple of injuries, his shoulder injury, but it's just nothing. That like his offensive game, he's a non-factor offensively.

I can't wait to hear his podcast. I want to hear what he says about this because he had a couple of shots that were just like, it didn't look like he knew how to shoot a three and you're right, like back in 2015-2016, he was a good third option for the Warriors. He's actually what made those early Warriors teams so great because you could have like Steph Curry have an off night, Clay Thompson would step up for him. And then Draymond would be there to hit like three or four threes a game. And it was, there was no way to defend that because if you have two great players, occasionally

you'll run into him when they're playing against other good teams that know how to defend. You'll run into games where they both are kind of either average or one has a really bad game, but having him as the third option was such a luxury for him. And now it just looks like he's allergic to the ball. Yeah. Hold on, I'm looking it up because I just, I remember in game seven, which we're going to talk to Richard Jefferson about another plug. Yeah.

He was in game seven against the Warriors or against the Cavs in 2016 when the Cavs won. He was, he scored 32 points and was six for eight from three. Yeah. Like he was a legitimate option. I like we're changing the game right now. We're plugging our own podcast during our podcast. This next segment is brought to you by part of my take, the number one sports podcast that you're currently listening to.

Molly the Meeple, great interview coming up in person. And she's brought to you by part of my take too. Yeah. Also by part of my take. She's brought to you by Richard Jefferson, who's brought to you by part. Yeah. She signs maybe the best text messages of all time. She just signs them off in the funniest ways.

Yeah. She says, be great. Be great. She said a few times, one time it was like a Friday and we were like, oh, we'll talk, you know, we'll figure out Monday and she's like, be great Hank, go get that pussy. But she's spelled, she's spelled with the, with the money signs for the S's. Oh, that's nice. Wait, did she say, did she say, oh, she did say she said be great Hank, go get that pussy

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That's the fucking Aston Martin Ferrari shit. Love Molly. Yeah. Shout out to Molly. Yeah. It's going to be a great interview. All right. So Hank, I actually do think the Warriors, like they can't lose came to, no, they lose

game too. It is now we're talking four or five games here. So I think right now it's too early to do the thing that we all want to do, which we kind of like, we dipped our toe in earlier and said the Warriors are dead. Fuck it. I'm just going to say it after game one, the Warriors are dead. They are. A wamping is on the table.

Yeah. No, I mean, I expect obviously the Warriors best effort on Sunday night. Because it does feel like they have to win that game. They're going to win the next game by like 30 points. Yeah. I mean, they probably will, but it doesn't matter because Celtics like mission accomplished going out West and splitting. Yeah.

You stole home court from them. Guess the line. What do they even say in the locker room after this? Are they just like, what's the spread just happened? What's the spread? I noted it. Do you think they say it in the locker room and they're like, wait, were you supposed to get out of Horford?

Like who was supposed to get out of Horford? I think the spread got bigger. I think the spread is four. Well, yeah, it closed, I think, around four. It is four. Okay. Damn. Damn, he's good.

And the Celtics are now minus 182 to win the title. Wow. Crazy. Whole thing was crazy. Any other. I still think the Nets should have won them. All time bad take. It's going to be great.

All time. The Celtics win the title. It's like you had him getting won for the first time. I've got a laundry list of bad takes that's about as long as the River Nile and this one is probably probably one A. You also should have felt good going into this series. Yeah, they got walked. You should have felt good going into the series, Hank, because I have that Warriors future

from the beginning of the playoffs and I never win futures. Like it's actually impossible for me to ever win one, so you should feel pretty confident just on that alone. Give me a percentage. 65. You're 65% confident. Really? I thought you'd be higher.

Yeah, higher. I would be higher if I were you. 75 or 80. Because it really is like Sunday night because it's like a free ball. Yeah, it's a free ball, but then it's like it could flip. Like if the Warriors go up 2-1. Yeah, no, then the Warriors can win one game, yeah. 2-0 is a different story.

2-0 is over. 2-0 is like 80. To put it in your speak as an executive, Hank, they had a good Q-2 and Q-4 today. Next game, they need to have a good Q-1. It will circle back. Yeah, it will circle back on Q-1. It will circle back on Q-1. Put a pin in Q-1.

We're going to try to hit all of our goals. Here's what they're going to do. Start and end. They're going to regroup. It's every three months. That's going to be all the time. It's four. Oh, 12 divided by 4.

Wait, we're in Q-2. Yeah. Q-2 ends in 7-1. No, we're in Q-2. Yeah, we're in Q-2. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6. Yes, we're in Q-2. No, we're in Q-2.

Yeah, Q-2. March is Q-1. 6. 7 is Q-3. 8-0 major. We're at the tail end of Q-2. Spending for Q-2 is done. Oh, yeah.

No, we already have to be ready for Q-4. Yeah, we're forecasting. Yeah. I think, dude, if we're smart, we're going to be Q-1 forecasting for 2023. Spending's done, but we need to hit all of our metrics if we want to come in according to all of our projections that we've been going outbound to advertise to. That's for Q-1 2023. Like if we don't perform at the end of Q-2, Q-1 2023 is not going to be great.

Well, you get all your money for Q-1 and Q-3. You get a rebate on Q-1? That's when all the selling happens. You get all your money in Q-1 from Q-3. That's correct. I'm going to talk to the boys in accounting and make sure we've got that straight. It sounds right to me. Everyone who's listening right now, anyone who's also in a C-suite, they just nodded along.

These guys know business. Yeah, no, we're so good at business. In all of our brains, I'm pretty sure that we all assume that the accounting department for every corporation in America is just a bunch of dudes in white button-up, short-sleeved dress shirts in the back that don't see the light of day with calculators and pencils. That's what we've got. I'm still thinking about what the Warriors are doing in their locker room right now. I'm still reeling from Q-2 of summer 2016.

That was a Q. Our sweet prince. That was a Q. Yeah, that was a Q. The world changed. Black hole. All right, last thing. Avalanche up 2-0.

Yep. I mean, they dominated. The game one was awesome. They had a million goals. Canada. That's another future for you. Yeah, another future. Yeah, no, I will.

If anyone wants me to mush a team, just tell me and I will put a future on them. We'll get to a point where it looks like it's great value. Cowboys. And then at Cowboys. And what about Kentucky? 25-1. We'll get to a point where it's like, ooh, that was a nice bet. And then it will fall apart all in just a mess.

My futures are basically, someone make the gift for me. My futures are just Kevin's chili just falling over like all the Kentucky and the Cowboys and the Warriors, Wisconsin, everything just falls out. You're more of a moment guy. You live moment to moment. Yeah, in the future. Listen, I'm a knee jerk guy. Future you sucks.

I'm a passionate guy. I wear my heart on my sleeve. When I say one moment doesn't matter the next one. You got to stop listening to future you. That's the problem. Yeah, exactly. No, my future is the dumbest thing to bet on. I don't know why I ever do it.

You know what I do? I do it because I'm like, well, this is money I can't lose right now. I just lose it later. It's later money. But it's like putting it under my couch. It's an investment is what it is. It's like, well, in the future, I should have some futures coming in for me. In Q4, I should have a few dividends returning some big ROI on those.

We're definitely the number one Q podcast. Make sure to put that in the description. Oh yeah. Hashtag Q. The boys break down Q. Hashtag Q. Deep dive into Q. Deep dive into Q.

Let's kick it back to ourselves back in studio and then Richard Jefferson and Molly the Meatball. Everyone have a good weekend? Yeah. Be great. Be great. Get that pussy. Get that pussy.

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Current.com slash PMT. Okay, the match. The match. Well actually I have some breaking news. Oh breaking news. Right now that just came across the wire. Okay breaking news. LeBron James is now officially a billionaire.

Oh yes. This happens every two weeks. Forbes magazine just wrote an article announcing it to the world. He's officially a billionaire. It's crazy that they were able to write this article up in like about two minutes after they announced that he was a billionaire. They were watching his checking account. They were.

Yeah they refreshed it. It was like Ashton Kutcher watching his Twitter account. Wait but that's weird. Dr. Dre become billionaires every other day. Hold on. Aren't stocks in the tank right now? So LeBron just getting rich while the common man gets poor? Yeah so this is actually, this is going to make Sean Hannity like become a rose emoji

guy and like break out the guillotine. Yeah. This means we have to eat LeBron James now. We have to eat LeBron James now. He's now on the menu officially. He's been added to the menu. Congrats to LeBron. Imagine being one of his teammates like that's making you know like the NBA league minimum

and it's like disgusting. Which is like an insane amount. What do you think still like Austin Reeves I don't know he's probably making a couple million a year. LeBron's got a bill. I wonder how much is liquid. That's always like that's what it should, it should never be like this person is a billionaire.

How much is liquid. He probably got a shitload in wine. Yeah. Tell me how much is actually in his checking account at a given time. Yeah. Under his mattress. I think LeBron James could write a check for two hundred nineteen million dollars right now.

Maybe even more. Who knows. I think in 2014 it's my biggest milestone. Oh. I want to maximize my business. So it doesn't matter. The rings don't matter. If I think MJ has been a billionaire for like a decade and a half.

If I happen to be a billion dollar athlete. Ho hip hop hooray. Oh my god I'm going to be excited. So hip hop hooray for LeBron James. Next taco Tuesday is going to be sick. It is. Listen we make a lot of fun of LeBron James and we're going to continue to do that. It must be pretty cool though to like grow up super poor and then one and then look at

it and you're like I'm a billionaire. I think that might be the understatement of the year. It must be cool. It is. It's very cool from nothing but a billionaire LeBron is definitely he's going to put up like 17 Instagram stories where he's just like looking at his phone just shaking his head while his kids are in the background crying because they're hungry and he's just to be looking at his phone.

Be like man I can't believe this day is here. I never thought this day would come that would be daddy you need to take me to school please. Yeah. But I'm blessed. Too blessed to be stressed. All right. So congrats to LeBron.

Let's talk about the match though. We had the match whatever it was sevens eight I don't know. I the only takeaway I had is that Aaron Rodgers should be back in jail so I've counted it. He did. He tried vehicular manslaughter with his golf cart. He tried to hit a ball off a tree and into someone's face and then he grounded his club in a sink and do that can't do that. And then I don't know if you're watching PFT but in very selfish Aaron Rodgers fashion

he and Tom Brady could have basically won the match on the whole prior or at least gone up one and he gave Brady a terrible read and Brady missed it. They disagreed on the read and Brady was like I'll go your way missed it and then Brady took it again just like practicing on his read hit it and then just so that Aaron Rodgers could be the hero on hole 12 or whatever it was. Yeah. Honestly I think it's disgusting. It's better that Patrick Mahomes and Josh Allen lost the match.

Dude. Against two active QBs. Like do you want your quarterback getting really good at golf when he should be. They're focusing their attention on football right now. Yeah. Maybe if Aaron Rodgers spent a little less time on the golf course a little bit more time in his playbook the Packers wouldn't flay him out in the playoffs. I mean Aaron Rodgers was the best player of the three of the four.

Patrick Mahomes was very good as well but I mean he also is the one who has the most free time in the second half of January every year. He also is the one Patrick Mahomes is the one that was the first to crack open an ice cold course light. Yes he was. I think he he's the real winner. It was also very funny to watch them play. One Brady was getting legit rattled.

He was very upset at himself. He turned his hat back. He was so mad at himself and two Josh Allen was struggling and you know he obviously was like this kind of sucks. I'm not playing really well and there were multiple times where he'd hit a shot and he'd be discouraged. I'd be like I would kill for that shot like he would hit it. He'd hit it you know past the hole 20 20 yards past the hole but it still is a fine

shot that you could chip in. I'd be like that shot was insane and he's like this sucks. I'm terrible. Yeah. Listen if you're like remotely playable at golf that's like there's a difference between people that just completely suck and go out there and you know I'd probably hit like a 140. I'm golfing tomorrow.

I'm probably gonna hit like 140 and then there are guys that can go out and 120 that can go out and enjoy themselves playing golf. Josh Allen's good enough to enjoy himself while he plays golf. That's all I ever want to do. Yeah. Most people should aspire to hit like I don't know half the holes you hit it you play in bounds. That's what I'm going for.

I would say like if you can not lose a ball on nine of the 18 holes. Yeah. That's a good day at the golf course. That's a great day. But yeah isn't it like a little alarming if your quarterback was like basically a semi-pro golfer. Well. I would not like that.

Well here's whatever. The athlete does it off season. I think it's it's they do it because athletes sneaky golfs more than anyone even realize because it's the only only place they can have privacy right out in public and it really is expensive country club and shit like it doesn't they can go price doesn't go compete and there can't be just random Pete like I'd be weird if athletes like yeah I picked up you know like playing pick up hoops or I play in a softball league which would be sick bowling patch my homes would be awesome.

Mookie Betts right. Doesn't he bowl. He's a really good bowler. But I do feel a little vindicated because I did have multiple tweets from unbiased people saying that Aaron Rodgers is absolutely miserable to be around because he he was the least talkative of the group. He was surly. He was Aaron Rodgers.

Yeah. Like Brady as bad as he was playing at times still was interesting and still was trying to put on a show. Aaron Rodgers is he just went for a paycheck. Fucking jerk. It's sad. Very sad that that's the only reason you can get Aaron Rodgers do anything. I think Jackson Mahomes should have been out there.

That would have been fun. They should have paired Jackson Mahomes in a golf cart with Aaron Rodgers. Well they should have what they should have done is they should have had they were doing if you you get one mulligan and to get the mulligan you have to hit a big cardboard cut out of Charles Barkley with a football. If that had just been Jackson Mahomes dancing that would have been fun. Yeah. Yeah.

No Jackson Mahomes should have. Can you imagine if Aaron Rodgers was brothers with Jackson Mahomes how quickly he would have killed him. Yeah. That's true. It's crazy. Crazy to think about Hank are you a little worried about Brady listening to a loser like Aaron Rodgers because it was a lapse in his judgment.

It was actually like one of the most interesting moments. No. I think that's just like he's an ultimate teammate and it's one of those things where it's like you look like a bad teammate if you don't listen to him and then you miss. So it's like you got to trust your teammate. Right. Yeah. He did.

He was wrong. What happened. Yeah. But I also thought it was just hilarious that they decided to have fans at that and people almost died. People. People almost died. Every single every single drive was just going way right and they Mahomes the first one I

think they got they got good at calling for Mahomes just didn't or was Josh Allen just didn't call for the first one and they almost killed the guy. He actually had a moment where I'm pretty sure it was a Bill's fan. This is why they're the best fans ever. He hit one to the green past the green and I'm pretty sure a Bill's fan just kicked the ball back onto the green. He did. And it's also like that was Bill's mafia.

Yeah. I appreciate that. That was great. But yeah. It's I mean I'll still keep tuning in. You know such crazy superstar athletes to watch them compete and watch them be frustrated just like the rest of us and like pound cores lights just like the rest of us. It was cool.

I had fun. I like the sandbaggers just because they talk more you know they talk more shit like during it like those are the true. Oh yeah. It's it's you wish you wish they were really like go all the way talking shit to to themselves because that's what golf ultimately is is like you hit a bad shot and then you're just motherfucking yourself on these they have to be a little bit more like jokie haha you know it's fine.

But like that's why I mean the sandbaggers that business would do are so funny because they just like every single shot they're just like motherfucking themselves and try to get each other's heads. Yeah. Yeah. It's very funny to like just when you're watching PGA golf how close they get when a guy's like maybe he hits the ball like off the fairway 10 20 yards and they line up like right next to his path that is shooting to the green because these guys are professionals

they were doing that exact same thing. Yeah. In the match. Yeah. And guys are just like begging to get hit in the face with a ball. Yes. Oh yeah. And it's like they have the club speed to be pro golfers but you can like that's the

difference you know right it's the shop making the shop making abilities like they're not even close. I have my home. They have the physical attributes. Yes. Yes. My homes is really fun. He was he was very impressive.

I thought like I knew Rodgers had golfed a lot because again he's not playing in the back half of January. My homes though for being that young like he's pretty fucking good golfer. They said that Tom Brady's clubhead speed I think was on his first drive was faster than the tour average. Whoa. Fucking crazy. Damn.

I think that was Rodgers but that's all right. We'll go with Brady. No it was Brady. It was definitely Brady. Okay. Other stories. The Rangers. Shit pumped the lightning game one.

Memes is not here right now. Billy Memes and Jake are up doing PLL training camp which should be very funny. I think Billy and Memes are both getting in the pads playing with some lacrosse professional lacrosse players but I I'll say it for memes. He was trying to be like oh it's just game one. Two things can be true. I think the Rangers are for real and two I think if you aren't betting like everything on Friday night for the lightning this is this is like a hundred year storm.

Yeah. The the the street will continue right. So I got they're gonna win. They don't lose back to back game. I got absolutely fucked up on the scheduling of this. Why because the Rangers played at home last night. Yeah you got Hanked. Yeah I got Hanked.

Big time on it. They had more points. I looked at it and I was like this doesn't make sense. I was assuming that was gonna be on the road but yeah I think there's no chance at all that the lightning roll over for another game. But the Rangers so that everyone was like the Rangers are a little experienced they thought that they could come in here. I think it was Biz that was like they thought they could come in here and swing their dick

around with Sidney Crosby. He thought they were too young. He thought they were too inexperienced but I think they've reached the point now where like they don't know how big the moment is supposed to be that they're in right now. Yeah also they're playing loose and they're ready to go. Just know that whatever our good friend Paul Bissonette says is wrong. He's been there's never been anyone who's been more wrong about a playoffs than him. He had he I think he had the Panthers.

I think he had the flames. He had the Leafs. He had the Rangers losing to the Canes. He's had every single wrong pick. The Penguins. Yeah between him and Mr. Ice if you just faded the two of those guys you'd be you'd be LeBron James billionaire. And then the last thing I had before we got to Richard Jefferson and Meatball Mollie.

Great interviews. We had what seems like the last final story final anecdote from the Tommy Pham. Jack Peterson feud. Mike Trout was a commissioner and Tommy Pham claims that he was a bad commissioner and he didn't do everything that he needed to do. And then we had a big debate about commissioners and fantasy sports which I contend like everyone should hate their commissioner. It's the role of the commissioner.

So I think that like Mike Trout if he's the commissioner he had to know this day was coming that he was going to get shit on for not running a tighter ship. I think maybe maybe Tommy Pham's wife has alopecia that would have been a great story if he had just been like that. That's why I beat the fuck out of you in the outfield. I think that we need to get this we need to get this entire league into like a like a reality show. The fantasy league needs to be a reality show.

And I think it's fair to point your finger at Mike Trout as well because he's in charge of this. Right. But you can't you can't have a high stakes fantasy league and then not even monitor how people are using the injured reserve. Right. My point is that every commissioner in any fantasy league they're like the president of the condo board like they are there to be hated because they either right run too

tight of a ship and everyone complains or they run too loose of a ship. Everyone complains. It's a no win job. It's a no win job. The best. Basically the only thing you get to decide is is you get to decide for your schedule when the draft is held. The best thing that that can happen to a fantasy commissioner is if you have one guy in the

league that's more of like a rules stickler than the commissioner is. Yeah. Then the commissioner can be very very strict with the rules. But they're also not the total psycho that that one guy in the league deal with that one. They have to deal with one guy. But you'd rather deal with that one guy and then have everybody else in the league being like yeah that guy fucking sucks thanks for being on our side.

That's what it sounds like Mike Trout doesn't have in this. It's a thankless job though and it's also a job that like everyone should know that you if you are the commissioner of your fantasy league everyone hates you. That's just a fact. Also everyone hates you. Why is Mike Trout being the commissioner of fantasy. He said that they couldn't pick one and they just made him do it. Yeah.

That's what. So it's on them. Right. He owned that for nobody stepping up. Yeah. He said he was like it's kind of our fault because he didn't really want to do it. Yeah. So yeah that that one just a hilarious story all the way through.

I just I'm like I'm still on Team Jock Peterson. But the fact that Tommy Pham has not like disputed any of it is just so funny to me. The fact that he's like yeah I slapped him. Yeah I got my suspension. Yeah. Like he fucked around with me. Tommy Pham also seems like a guy that just can't take a joke. Yes.

At all. Correct. He seems like a guy that just bad hang. Yeah. Yes. Bad hang big time. Okay Hank do you got any news. Oh no yeah.

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Richard Jefferson. Okay we now welcome on our good friend NBA champion Richard Jefferson. He's here. He is live from San Francisco getting ready for the NBA finals. Let's just put in a little caveat for all of our listeners. We're taping this before game one. They're going to listen to it after game one. If we screw up and say a bunch of things yeah that's a set up that's a set up it is it's

a set up it's a set up but I wanted to just put a little timestamp on it all right let's just jump right into it we're very excited what are the vibes like right now let's get a vibe check of San Francisco media day the teams everything. You know what I can't speak on it from the player side but it's like I would not be surprised if COVID affected this NBA finals. I would not be surprised and that's that's above that's yeah just because there's a lot of media members. I think Jeff Van Gundy now has COVID there's been different people in the media stuff I'm

not going to give up piece of people's personal stuff but even our show on the NBA today. We were supposed to fly in today we're all going to go do dinner at Malika's family's house here in Oakland that got kibosh because multiple people on our team so that would be a funny and not funny that would be an interesting thing that to watch is that. Okay that's that's a real bummer to start with that is yeah that's that's that's tough now I was actually just reading about you the other day because there was an article that came out recapping one thing that you said that I took umbrage with and I wanted to confront you on it face to face like a man you said that you would pay money to hit

Skip Bayless the way Dylan Brooks injured Gary Payton you you think you could beat up Skip Bayless because the man lifts so so Richard we like you we've had you on the show a lot I feel like we all get along well we appreciate your takes but when your friends with somebody you got to call him out on some bullshit and a month ago you said something that I took major umbrage with you said that you wanted you wanted to you would pay money to hit Skip Bayless I don't I don't know if you've seen Skip's workout routine but the man is fucking jacked up I think I think Skip Bayless takes you out in round one. Okay first of all I didn't say just like punch him I was just more saying like let's give

a little context it's just imagine like him going through the middle now look Skip Bayless is in great shape he is an outstanding shape for someone his age let's shit I know I'm just joking Skip no period I don't know Skip Skip look good for Skip man good for Skip but no yeah Skip sometimes he talks about things and that's the only part and I understand it's a shtick I understand it's just a thing right like he just tweets LeBron James did it at this up next and it's like dude that's not even real that's not even like like that's not even real anything you're just putting stuff out there and so every once in a while I have those moments where he's something and he's like you know that type of shot that

is an easy shot I'm like like wait what come on come on bro like in the way he calls out players and it's just for every once in a while like add a little humor to it you understand like like you guys you guys call out everybody and you add humor and I love you guys for it other people want to call out people and do it in like this aggressive angry way and you're like bro that's just that's not it yeah I think with Skip when he talks about a shot being easy you can't look at it like Skip Bayless is saying he can make that shot when he says a shot's easy he means Michael Jordan would have made that shot in one of the highlights that he remembers of Michael Jordan oh no that's not the way he means it

like Skip Bayless really means that it's so easy that he could do it he's just like it's so easy no no not even Michael Jordan I could do it no no I get it but I understand if you're a big skip if you're a big skip fan I understand I get it I'm more of a Shen sharp guy myself but yeah I get it I like I like Shannon too I'm more of a fan of of the ecosystem in the world that allows a guy like Skip Bayless to exist that's what I'm a fan of yeah it's an like the ecosystems really really interesting you know Troy Aikman's a real big fan of Skip Bayless it's a real big fan if you want to hit him you got to get in line that's that's kind of how yeah yeah that's what I'm saying hey hey Troy welcome to the ESPN family man

yes that's true you have his back I'm at count I was like got you brother so alright I got a I got like a basketball nerdy not kind of nerdy but I love I love this matchup because styles make fights and these styles are different it feels very different it also feels like the the Celtics going from a knock down drag out rock fight with the heat seven games and now having to face the Warriors you face the Warriors in the finals what from like players perspective is the difference when you go from an iso ball team that really only has one option in the heat versus a team that's just running constantly cutting everywhere moving like how shocking is that to switch series to series well the Celtics have the personnel to do it but the

problem is is that if you don't see it and the Miami heat were a little bit of that even though their half court offense was trash they have a bunch of guys that are moving it's Tyler hero it's Duncan Robinson obviously those guys didn't play the last few games but it's it's bam it's Kyle it's Jimmy Butler there's a lot of different guys that can beat you nothing like what the Golden State Warriors have like obviously but when you kind of get used to the movement but I'll say this the Golden State Warriors on the other side have have a matchup that they haven't really seen either right they've gone against a one superstar team in Denver with Yokeish they went against a one superstar team in in the Memphis Grizzlies and John missed a ton of that series and Golden State

didn't even play well like when he was out and then they went against a one superstar team in Dallas in Luca so now you're they're going to go against a team with multiple guys now that can go out there and beat you and have like crazy high impacts and so um I think that's a I think both sides like you said for a fight there are both like two different things that we all get to sit back and watch like how do these teams handle this blow how did they the first round the second round who who who's going to go for the knockout like it's a fun way to sit back and watch yeah it is and it's you're absolutely right the Celtics pose a ton of mismatch problems for the Warriors and vice versa what like each team going into it how does from a basketball standpoint how does a

coach or a team say like this is how we want to play whether it be pace or you know how the ball moves like how do you dictate your style on the opponent as opposed to kind of letting the game come to everyone and maybe getting it away from you well well at this level with with like when you start talking about the teams that can contend for a championship right we're not talking about every team but teams first of all you got to have talent you got to have talent that is undeniably unstoppable right like look at all the teams here what Jimmy Butler was doing what Jason Tatum was doing like that shit it's just like hey look we're going to start with a guy that is damn near impossible to stop consistently right you know Luca Steph right Warriors got a couple of them right

so it's like when you start with that then you're like okay so it's based off my personnel who do we have what do we have hey Luca is our main guy we're going to put shooters around him and that's going to be our style and we're going to play at his pace Steph is a crazy run around shooting guy so we got to put shooters around him and we got to put long wing defenders so that we can play the style of basketball we play so you know that's again that's the beautiful part about basketball is that you take what you have and then you have to do the puzzle pieces around it and I think all four of these teams excuse me the last four teams all were pretty good pieces of a puzzle right because they weren't like the Phoenix Suns it wasn't like Giannis who was just like this unstoppable force or

LeBron James it was like really good teams that were like put together well and it just depended on who was going to be healthiest yeah what do you think is going to happen with the lineup for for Golden State like what is what does Steve Kerger going to do that to me I think it's going be the biggest thing that that has the largest effect on the series like are they going to go small a lot or are they going to try to put some of the rebounders in you know I think they're going to go small because you know when you look at Williams you know he's big shot blocker for Boston if you go small then now it's like our smalls versus your smallest right he can block shots and then if you're running if you're running Stephanie's guys off for three and then you got that

big shot blocker in there he's blocking shots he's catching dunks that becomes a lot for them so with the idea for if you're in my opinion if you're Steve Kerr play small play super small and then make him have to come out on the perimeter and guard three point shooters now ideally Boston then would go to Grant Williams and have Grant Williams play kind of the small ball five like he did against Milwaukee and I know I'm getting all basketball on you guys but Grant Williams to me if the Warriors go small will be a key for the Boston Celtics if he plays well like you did in the Milwaukee series where he hit eight threes nine threes whatever it was then you know Boston's going to be a problem yeah I mean it's a very fascinating match but I really do think it's

going to be a great series I hope it's going to be a great series uh who's your X factor for I know it's a cliche thing to say but I do like to kind of think about it that way because we know Steph's going to get his we know Tatum's going to get his Jalen Brown and Clay Thompson are going to both have big impacts probably games where they both score in the 30s who's the guy though on each side where you're like if that guy can step up if that guy can elevate his game that becomes the difference maker in this series I won't like okay so I elevate your game is that's asking a lot if you do that great right we just you just can can someone perform at a consistent clip that's what you're that's what you're looking for you're looking for consistency in these moments because your

teams are so great as long as you play consistently ideally you should win a game right it's when you're inconsistent that becomes the roller coaster ride um I would say the two people I I mentioned Grant Williams I think Grant Williams like he's going to be key because the Warriors just force everyone to play small uh but on the Golden States I I would say Andrew Wiggins if Andrew Wiggins can be consistent if he can give them between 18 and 22 five let's say seven game series five out of the seven game series I think the Warriors win if he's 12 one night you know 18 one night 28 another night then 13 the next night that's hard right that's going to be a lot harder for the Golden State Warriors because you know Steph is going to be Steph but if he's inconsistent

then that means that Steph can't have an off night you've got to allow your superstar to win a game your team has to win a game when you um when your superstar doesn't play well ideally the formula is this and I've said this is that your superstars have to win you two games in the finals so you got to look at your superstars and say you won game one and game three fours you're you have to win a game where you don't play well you don't shoot three well you know you're you're 39 but your defense was good you turned them over you offensive rebound but you just shot poorly you still won and then you have to count a game where the others other guys step up outside where you might Jordan pool you know Kavan looney like these are the guys that are the reason why you won the game

and you know for boston it could be white and Al Horford or Peyton Pritchard goes five for seven and hits three threes in the in the fourth quarter like that then you would point to those guys singular so that's kind of the formula yeah I like that that's a good way to break it down I agree what have you heard about about Brad Stevens and any of the impact that he's having like we always like to think of him as like the wizard behind the curtain and like he may have done an awesome job this year but is he yeah does he have any like day to day involvement with the team whatsoever 100% it was a it was the passing of a it was the passing of a baton and a relay race right like that's really what this was it was like hey like I want to go to this space in the front

office I want somebody that I believe can take these guys to the next level right and and this is where I like again I'm I'm not going to go too deep into it but like for a guy like Brad Stevens and it's like hey if Stevens it's like I want this guy to take these guys maybe where I couldn't maybe where I couldn't I'm going to pick my successor I've got these guys primed to be ready they're basketball IQ this is x y and z I need someone that can push them where I could and you find that guy and you believe in e-mail Udoka and he has proven like Brad right and so I think that that's a compliment to Brad to say like hey somebody else needs to come in here and push these guys in this group where I could doesn't mean that Brad couldn't win a championship as an NBA

head coach that's not what I'm saying what I'm saying is this group right here and where Brad was he said I'm not the guy no different than Jay Wright stepping down at Villanova right doesn't mean that the guy can't still do it it just means that this he just wanted to be in a different space so he but he's still there in a day to day every single day I thought it was very classy how he just he walked away picked his successor didn't have to take a full year to make everybody like watch him and praise him and give him gifts everywhere that he went he just kind of went off you know on his own he's like okay I'll stay behind the scenes now I think certain college coaches could learn a lot from how he conducted himself yeah I I agree and I think you know sometimes

you do that because he's like maybe I'm not done coaching I just need a moment or you know whatever just whatever it is and so I you know I respect that but uh no when I look at what Boston Celtics have done I really commend them as an organization and and and the way they've handled this transition because you have young stars on that team you got a loaded roster that every year is competing so to just let that go and just be like I'm gonna go to the front office you go here but front office individuals are as active as anybody and especially because obviously prior relationships he's not a guy that took over in its building he drafted these guys he's worked with them every day he coached them to their first all-star games so he's still he's still there and involved

yeah and in EMA adoka is it's incredible the job he's done I feel like it's you know now he'll get a little bit more praise because they're in the finals but I was reading a story today about how you know the Celtics were bad they were a bad team for the first few months of the season and you know you had the Marcus smart called out Jaylen Brown and Jason Tatum to the press are you shocked knowing like how a locker room works that they were able to come back together after that because that usually like if someone calls out and kind of airs dirty laundry it can go south pretty quickly at us I'd assume it but see but now think about it think about like who was the person that called them out and I'm not saying Marcus smart is like he can't make a mistake or he

at times can't try and do a little too much no that's not the same what I'm saying is that when the guy that is putting forth that type of effort and he is calling it how he sees it and he has a he has he's he's he has a reputation for that and and so for him to get up there and how he did it like Jason Kidd called out called those guys hey we need other guys to step up and show up it can't just be Luca with 35 and 45 we need other guys to step up like that's a fair statement for coaches saying people like man are you know our guy's gonna feel like he's going at him and he's like no he's just telling the truth and so when I look at what Jaylen Brown are you know the way that Marcus smart called him out he did it he's like look teams know that these guys are scores

and that they don't want to pass the ball we hear the other team saying that until these guys become playmakers and become basketball players it's going to be tough yeah and so I think until those guys embraced that role and they did and then their defense and email and so many other things started working out and it should it just became amazing yeah and it was uh in the story basically email went to Marcus smart was like look you said it you gotta own it don't run from it like this is you know it became a galvanizing moment where they opened up lines of communication that weren't there previously and I also read like reading his style and everything he it seems like he pushes the buttons where he he holds everyone accountable and he's tough and the defensive minded like side

of it because I you can tell me if I'm way wrong but in the NBA it feels like everyone has their offensive skill set defense and being good at defense is a lot about effort and like do you want to try possession to possession and like put in the work to play as a cohesive unit on the defensive side is that fair yeah it's fucking hardest shit playing great defense at that level like with Steph you can chase him around for 22 seconds and you could play perfect defense and he hits one of the most ridiculous shots and guess what you got to go do that shit again and you got to do it again and again and again and so to put forth the type of effort that it takes to win a championship you know look at these guys these guys had to go through kd think about it there is no

night you get a rest if kd and and and kairi have the ball there is no night that you will get a rest if you get Yanis next round and yes no middle 10 I think that Milwaukee was the best team this year if they would have had middle 10 they'd be in final right now but like you had to go against a guy that was just dropping 40 balls on everybody then you get to the conference finals and you just have a slugfest like Rocky Balboa versus freaking Apollo no one's dodging everyone's just punching as hard as they can against Miami and your reward is the golden state warriors who's been waiting a little bit like the play the type of defense it takes you have to be a cohesive unit you have to be able to be honest with each other you have to be able to accept criticism and when a coach says

you were piss poor you let your teammates down this is not what we're supposed to do you know better than this you can't take it personally you just have to own it because your goals are so high that the only way to do it is to try and achieve perfection yeah yeah so uh you could look at it as the Celtics they've played all these very very tough teams out of the east and you know their reward like you said is now they have to play the Warriors in the finals you can look at it like oh shit these guys have got to be exhausted or you can look at it like they're battle tested so which one which one which way do you think it leans like could this be a net benefit I guess it depends on the team and the makeup of the team whether or not they're exhausted by this point and or whether

or not they're just like more motivated and tough because of who they played I think they'll be tougher in the beginning in the first four games and I think if it as it continues if it goes whatever the next three games is where they get fatigued that's where they get fatigued because when you show up in this like those guys have been fighting for their lives for every single night they've been fighting for their lives for over a month right where the golden state warriors they weren't really worried about Denver they were maybe you know a little bit more worried about Memphis but then Ja went out like game three so like that wasn't really ultra stressful and then to go and then have Luca upset the Suns and so if the Suns would have showed up against the Golden State Warriors

they would at least been on edge game one game two they would have been on edge like you know this been in the best team whatever but no Luca beats them in seven so the Golden State Warriors are waiting and they know that they can beat Luca they know that they can do that they just have to just not be idiots and they do it so they were never under any real like crazy stress for how great they are the other side those guys were just fighting not so game one and game two if Golden State comes in lax and Boston comes in like they've been in that dogfight for the last month Boston can get control but as the series progresses is where I think Boston starts to fatigue and so they got to come out and hit first because the longer this series goes it's not going to favor

Boston yeah I got a question about Steph um you know he's an all-time all-time player it's very it's it's very weird how people talk about him because of his size and the fact that he's not physically dominating in any way I feel like everyone's always hesitant to put him in like you know greatest of all time but when you when you played against him like the amount of attention that is needed for Steph Curry when he's on the court is it just off the charts where everyone always has to know where he is because that's the the crazy part about Steph to me is like even if he's not making his shots he makes the entire defense go towards him at all times well and this the other thing that I like this is one thing that I want to make sure

people understand and I think a lot of times it gets Clay Thompson and you see the and Clay's at 75% of himself but like when he's on that court they are a ridiculous team my point is this to be the greatest shooter we've ever seen and to probably have the second best shooter in the league probably a top five shooter of all time also on your team makes it like it's not fair right and so with Steph he does create so much confusion and his movement but it's also because you can't leave this guy who is Ray Allen Reggie Miller however you want to say it right next to him and so you know when I look at guarding Steph when you look at greatness whether it's magic whether it's Will Kareem you know Larry Bird you want to see something you've never seen before

there is no I think the closest copy that we ever had was Kobe and MJ but if you really study that they were different they just played the same style like MJ was far more efficient you know all the different things and so when you look at that it's like dude Steph does things we've never seen before and probably never will not at the same clip because that's what makes him Steph so I don't like it when people only look at greatness as like physical dominance yeah you've got to put skill you got to put skill in there like skill like he has a skill set that is greater than anyone we've ever seen yeah and I'm trying to do a better job of like when I'm watching sports in the moment being like appreciating what I'm watching as long as it's not LeBron like appreciating

like the greatness of someone I'm watching being like I might not see a Steph Curry again in my life again as long as it's not LeBron like that one I don't care about but that's that's that's that's that's an older that but that's that's an old you're a seasoned man like you're now at the spot of your life where you look at sports with a different lens of like yo I remember as a child and I remember where I'm at now and I'm like I've only seen like two or three people like this I might only see one or two more in my lifetime right right so you should sit back and enjoy it and embrace it you know especially a guy like LeBron you know that that's for you I think it's a real I think that'd be a really big step of maturity big cat you can do it bro no you can do it you can do it thank you

and no thank you you know definitely there's gonna be a moment in like 20 years where like my son's like what was it like to watch LeBron I'm like didn't watch it you're like it's sucked you would have hated it he pretended to get cramps I I I tell people right now if you like look whether you like him or not I'm not telling you to like LeBron I'm telling you to watch LeBron that's the only thing I'm saying and if you can look if you if that not okay well this is no I love I love watching LeBron we're not gonna we're not we're not gonna see it again we're not like are you least are you gonna watch him when he at least passes cream are you gonna watch him passes cream this year will you watch it I've will you watch it yes I will and I've admitted

LeBron's good LeBron's a good basketball player there you go I must say you don't have to like him bro I'm not saying you have no he's incredible I know I've LeBron actually passes a test where I do not like him and then he's had moments where I'm like holy fuck this is incredible even that they had the anniversary of the JR Smith game and looking back at that game and like what LeBron I think he scored like 50 points and it was just like 50 point triple double yeah he almost beat the Warriors by himself I remember thinking like holy fuck how is this guy doing it so I appreciate him whatever listen I love watching LeBron because you have to watch him to find all the stuff to laugh about later yeah you know like yes he gives you he gives you everything he'll give you a

game like that where I think there were like six games in a row in the NBA finals where he put up stat lines that have never been done before yeah and then he'll yeah and then he'll do the thing where he like lays down on the ground pretends that his eye is out of its side like he died like bro we used to sit on the bench and be like bro you didn't get hit in the face get back on the ball yeah but like we're all guilty of it we're all guilty of it he's just not very good at flopping he's not a very good flop but that's what I love because he tries to be good at it yeah he like puts effort into his flops but he's not good at it yeah but I mean okay we uh we love doing legacy talk and I feel like this is the time to start doing the Steph Curry legacy talk like if

Steph Curry wins an NBA finals MVP this year I'm ready to be the first person to say that he's better than LeBron James purely at basketball yeah what you might be the first and last person to say that no that's cool no I think Steph I think Steph starts that I think the the conversation of Steph being a top 10 player in NBA history uh becomes a very very it becomes extremely hard to push him out because you say it at this point assuming that he will accomplish more more all stars more all NBA like he like the number of threes that he's going to potentially end with I'm not talking about more championships you don't know how that goes but you know that his he's going to get all starts going to get all NBA's and he's going to like be have more playoff

numbers and so when it all ends and it's all finished like I don't like the whole step change the game change the game like he did but like again having Clay Thompson next to you like you're running me like having that they together the golden state warriors helped change the game of basketball and Steph and on top of it there were rule changes and I'm not saying this to hate I'm just saying that like to just singularly give him the credit as the greatest shooter is yes but like I just watched that collective group do it together and put him in a position to let him fucking go and Steph is the great one of the nicest superstars ever but I just think collectively the golden state warriors led by Steph Curry changed the game but what about this if Steph Curry if

we start having the debate like should he be in that top three conversation then you can use that as ammo to be like well that makes LeBron's championship with the Cavaliers even more impressive because he beat Steph Curry who is a better basketball player than him yeah yeah if you beat someone better than you I see you so you're saying that like that helps LeBron's legacy I dig that I like uh I'm gonna you know I'm gonna bring that up with Steph when I see him like hey like the LeBron fans out there really want you to win yeah because it'll make it better that they beat you yeah after you won the title with him um who was who was the biggest partier in Cleveland that because I feel like it was deli I saw pictures of deli everywhere you know what we didn't really

party after we won that's what was so crazy like we um we did like some like family barbecues like we didn't like it was crazy like and you know we didn't really drink that much we didn't really do much it was like after we won like everyone's family came and then like we did like a couple of family barbecues some like meet and greets and then you know everyone just kind of went home yeah like to like their where where they're at I feel like JR Smith didn't put a shirt on for like two weeks though well you know that was just the parade that the parade it was extremely hot out there and so it was like you know there was tons of topless people most of them men or JR you know but not all of them um all right I had uh two last questions I'm lying we we drank our ass I was about

to say you're full of shit yeah yeah 100% full of shit 100% I'm still hung I'm still hung over I do have a question about Kyrie and I'm sure you've been asked about it but it may be a little bit of a different question what is it about Kyrie that guys just love playing with him because that's the like Kyrie gets talked about all the time and obviously this season was up and down with all the vaccine stuff and everything but at the end of the day it feels like everyone who's on his team loves playing with him and I'm wondering if there's something that we're missing as fans that we just don't see that is like this is why Kevin Durant wants to play with Kyrie this is why some of these guys want to be around Kyrie when we look at it like wow what a headache well there's

two sides to it one from a skill side as basketball players we're all fans like once you're in a craft like Dan you're doing we're fans and when we see Kyrie play we're all just like what the fuck like the things that he can do it's very similar to Steph they have very different temperaments right like where you know Kyrie's a little bit more up and down Steph is very like this but as far as talent level like we see like Steph go for our clay or Steph we see Kyrie go for 50 with like you know 70 shooting and you're just like like the things that he can do in the way he does it and the flair and the sexy and all that stuff as a fan of basketball you better love what he can do now as a person he's just he's he's is a lovable person he is like he just like Kyrie has moments

where like he just gets real introspective and he kind of like just becomes like more like uh like he's kind of in his own space and we know that as teammates and then there's times he's going to walk into the locker room and he's going to be the life of the party singing dancing doing you know we've seen the uncle drew everyone knows Kyrie's got an amazing personality and then there's times where he just gets a little bit more to himself and that's just that's just that's Ky you know doing that and when you once you're a part of a team it's all about like hey like what do you need to go do what you need to go do hey do you need to be by yourself for for 36 hours and kind of just be in your own space you're not like yelling or being a dick you're just kind of

in your own space headphones on watching videos not really talking that much and then you go out and score 35 I'm gonna leave you alone I'm gonna leave you alone but like that's the thing I think for guys that have played with Kyrie now yes is it's you know has there been issues and stuff like that where like you know you want more consistency of your one of the greatest players that we've seen in this generation yes but ultimately he's a he is a good dude he and I think he's more misunderstood than I think he'll ever be a credit for yeah yeah uh the one thing I'm looking forward to that that isn't being talked about as much is the match up between Marcus Smart and Draymond Green and not not necessarily that they'll be guarding each other

but just the fact that these are guys that like big cats talking about the X factor these guys are wild cards right like they can they can help they can be the reason that their team wins and then they can be the reason why the game is delayed for like three and a half minutes and no one can figure out what's going on in the court because everybody's fighting each other so I love players like that I'm curious to know like which one of these guys obviously Draymond's done it before and he's been there and he's proven that he can step up when he's not kicking people in the dicks in the finals but like between those two guys which one do you think is going to have a bigger positive impact on the series uh I think that Draymond is is ridiculously important

to everything that the Golden State Warriors are doing but I think I think Marcus Smart will be in more positions to have a bigger impact right like he's a scorer right so he's out there trying to score also like there's multiple games where he led the ball in Celtics and shot last round and then also definitely he's going to be guarding Steph he's going to be going to play he's going to be guarding Wiggins he's going to be guarding pool so he's just going to be in a position to make more plays uh so I look at you know Marcus Smart being a key key you know cog like Marcus Smart have great series great series for Marcus Smart I don't I think it's going to be hard to beat the Celtics yeah so he's more likely to help his team win would he also be the one that's

more likely to help his team lose oh I would go with Draymond on that and that's you know Draymond is my guy but he's been in that position before Marcus Smart has never done anything like or hasn't got suspended during the postseason so just purely going off prior history I would say that would be Draymond yeah and Draymond first ball I got a I got a little something with Draymond Draymond said something the other day yesterday and he goes look we have never been beaten whole we've never been beaten whole and I'm like thinking to myself um and I was on tiktok when we were doing lies when I first saw it I was like you were around for six that he was like well evening you know even in 16 when we lost I got suspended game five I'm like Draymond you were there for six of the seven

games yeah six of the seven games that's pretty damn whole and if you're going to use that logic which I never do you're not going to say anything about when Kyrie hurt his knee when you guys won in 15 or Kevin loved not being there for the Cavs in 15 so that's not like my thing is like dude you can't say you know we've never been beaten whole when you've beaten teams that weren't whole and also like that's just game seven at home they had game seven at home and whose fault was it that Draymond missed that game yeah and they had game seven at home you can't say we never been beaten whole when you got beaten game seven at home that's it you had a chance to win it right at home and you had like yeah you had a chance to win it you were the greatest team in NBA regular season history

which I I believe they were I believe that they were the greatest regular season team of all time it don't it don't mean a thing without a ring right that's the meanest thing to say like the way that you phrased it it actually like it sounds like you're insulting them when you say they're the greatest regular season team of all time you're just making your ring bigger they won the president's trophy well maybe maybe but no no look those are my brothers and they are that's what made our championship so hard and so great is because we had to beat the two-time MVP the first unanimous MVP and the defending champions and the greatest regular season team that we had ever that that the NBA had ever had I'm sorry like yeah you know just making your ring bigger I would do the same

thing if I were you thank you all right last question thank you Richard for joining us row back question RHO BACK use code take for 20% off Q zips performance hoodies everything if your golfing row back has the best gear RHO BACK.com okay we've danced around it give us your prediction how this NBA finals is gonna go down warriors and nine warriors and nine the NBA would love to have a nine game series you know how to figure out like how to do it like have it go all the way till September game five and six canceled for COVID at halftime yeah no four games are canceled at halftime for COVID so that equals the extra two games there we go yeah all right there we go get get that TV money so give us your prediction come on I'm gonna uh

warriors in seven in an overtime game seven wow I so I I said warriors in seven on Tuesday and I've like ever since that moment I've just everything that's gone in my head has been like I think the Celtics are gonna win but I'm gonna I'm sticking with words but it is that like a matchup if the Celtics win I would not bat nine so yeah I could see it like it's a go it's it's closer than people think uh but yeah yeah they're good okay well everyone check out uh RJ he's gonna be on tv he's gonna be traveling for the finals we appreciate you always and your time and uh next time in New York why don't you come that way we don't have to screw up the zoom we was on our fault our fault 100% yeah I'm in all right I'm in okay I'm gonna hit you up all right

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something completely different all right we now welcome on a very special guest co-worker of ours it is Meatball Molly Molly McCann UFC fighter all around great person we spent some time with her very excited to have you on thank you for joining us no problem thanks for having me also a good friend of Patty the baddie so if you notice that accent it is liver puddle in yeah is that correct yeah or scouser yeah all right now let's start there did you do you have the same feelings that Patty has that like when England's in the World Cup you're not going to root for him I'm a little bit different so I hate the government and I hate the monarchy however I hate England football fans but I don't hate the football as you're trying to play and win

for us okay but my family is very Irish so they would all support Ireland over England got it you support the team you support the lads the lads when they play that's it I don't support the government that oversees the lads no I don't support anything other than that they just so much in our country's history has been great but so much hasn't been and I just think they're just rats and in all honesty like in like the 70s and 80s and there was a there was prime ministers out at the time and their job was actually to like to break liver peel down and and that's like that would be like Trump saying I want to break Texas down like let's destroy Texas and then 30 years later it's come out in the documents do you know what I mean yeah

that's like real life shit so when Patty says I'm not English I'm from the People's Republic of Liverpool it I think most of Liverpool's the same to be honest I lie I mean it's it's got an energy when you're around you and Patty that it's just it's awesome and I know obviously you guys are fighters but you're passionate people that like you have a vibe to you that's fun to be around yes certain places in the world I think I think like poverty places make these kinds of people like yeah like you have to make the best of nothing you have to see the silver lining and in everything and be grateful for everything so when really amazing things happen like this it's just like blows your mind yeah I mean and you are grateful for the littlest thing just like

hi how are you do you know what I mean but we're also larger than life because shy kids don't get sweets is what we would say hard times make for hard people yeah that's the one yeah so so you've had a very successful career we watched your fight back in March I think it was named you got like the fight of the month or something like that right yeah it was like a month too it was like a month yeah it was like the best fight I got that in September as well do you know when you just say I'm party after that fight I got knocked out of the month and I was like Dana can I have another 50 grand please you can fuck off yeah when did you realize that you that you were just tougher than everybody when did you realize that you like to fight um definitely when I was a kid I was I was

just skinny scrawny just little but I just had to keep on keeping on and um and what I realized I didn't start fighting until a very late age so I started at my major 23 and what I had to like run with is hard work beats talent when talent doesn't work hard and I didn't have the the fight IQ or the knowledge based on what some people had because they've been doing it since they was 10 11 12 so I just used to have to run my favorite lift more do more rounds and it just made me into an absolute like animal and a bit deluded in my brain to be honest like I would just go when thinking I'm gonna absolutely fucking kill you um it was only after I was humbled in the UFC when I was choked out I didn't tap I was like fitting on the floor oh you didn't tap

wow yeah wow you and Jesus don't tap oh paddy Scousers don't tap Scousers so you just you literally blacked out lad I'm like a fucking salmon going upstream I got to find this video what was the feeling was the feeling like when you get close because you know you know that you know when they get it in right so she's on and you see me put my hands and then I go fuck this so then I just look at the sky well I'm like looking at the floor actually but um I could just see the vision go like this and then I woke up and I was all shaking and I was like what's happened here like what's going on and then I look at me coach and I start coming around and I go I didn't get top I didn't tap I didn't tap I promise you didn't tap because um when you're a mouth like me and paddy and when you

have a certain faint style you can only be that way when you're truly ready to give everything and I just think if there was a no point no one percent that hate arm was going to gas I knew I would have got up and punched the fucking head in so um unfortunately that didn't happen but me and Gillian the girl who done it to me she was the best and worst thing that ever happened to me but from that moment we've been really good friends I've been to corner here and fight week here coach Dean Thomas coaches me every this is savage I'm watching it I know yeah you just got so choked out I didn't even think about tapping my eyes were open as well so I was asleep for five seconds before the referee because he couldn't tell because you didn't even blink I know it's

crazy because there's like multiple moments where I'm like wait you got a tap right here and you just went down with the ship I know it's a like proper belly flop there are moments when I'm watching a fight when somebody's not tapping and I just assume if they're not tapping it's because the hole doesn't end properly yeah no that's it I'm ranting it out so a reenacted choke you would grab the bicep and then hide the other hand behind the head but she switched it to a short choke so the way that you defend a reenacted is you would break that grip and then get rid of that one but on the short choke it's like the blades across and you can't grab the hand to defend so it's pretty much a cleaned out and she was as experienced and grappling

as I was striking so if it stood up I was going to knock her out and if it went to the floor it was like Conor Vase could be I'm not saying no no no but no that's yeah yeah like it was you know Conor Vase could be very similar that yeah you knew that once Conor went on the ground it was going to be big time trouble for him yeah so um what would you do though if it was an arm bar would you let your arm get broken probably yes because like one thing to get in I mean it's obviously badass I I would have I would have tapped when like you could make me tap by just looking at me I was like all right I'm out but like the arm if you're still conscious and you're like I'm gonna let my arm get broken that's a different ball game I've armed two Brazilians and their arms

hyper extended in the fight and they didn't tap gales don't tap they just so wait well who doesn't who taps Americans no no no no what I mean is French men yeah French men women have got more dexterity way I'm like actually built like a lot with how much muscle I have but like we like men don't bend as much like they arm would probably stop this right too many bicep curls that's what I'm saying yeah too much yeah not a shuffle yeah like you watch I'm not saying women don't tap but men will predominantly get more knockouts right right with taps yeah and um gears just tend to just fucking hold on in there like we're not supposed to be here doing this so you have to kind of try and defy the odds all the time okay so weird question and we had this debate

it was I don't know maybe a couple months ago because there was a video that that went viral of these two guys fighting in the street and one of them tried to tap and he was like why didn't you respect the tap I feel like you should respect the tap even in a street fight yeah I mean like if you watch gypsies and travelers in England like Bay and Uncle Boxing when one gets hit like him everyone has to move away and wait till he stands up and they say are you bet are you like are you beating and if they say yeah then that's it you know yeah there's some some honor to it yeah but life's not like that anymore is it everyone's going out fucking stabbing people yeah I feel like so should be able to tap at any point I think the problem is if somebody is about to get tapped

in a street fight they're more likely if you let them go just if they have a weapon at that point they'll be so emasculated that they'll pull the weapon out and then you're fucked yeah because you let them up 100 I just fucking kicked them in the teeth and choked them out put them to sleep put them in the recovery position and then run away so so when you get into the ring when you get into the octagon are you thinking to yourself do you get into war mode are you like I want to kill this person because I was talking when we were watching the boxing match last week and you see fighters at the top of their game especially in boxing but I assume it applies to MMA when they get into a fight it's hard to tell if they have that same rage that most people have when they get into an

altercation or a fight or if at the top level it's more about like okay you've been here before it's you're becoming a technician I feel like it's horses for courses so some people would be more methodical and have a more measured approach and then some people are all out chaos and just want to fight I know if I have the mindset of you've only got to watch me out of weighing or watch me when they say my name the way that I look at them and I'm screaming this is my fucking house like I'm gonna fucking end you like I have to that's how I go to that place in my mind where I'm not going to get beat I have to think I've got a fucking killer here now obviously I'm not trying to kill her but in my mind if the shoe was on the other foot if that girl in my last fight could

tell about me and done that to me she would have I don't think I've never been in a fight with someone and they haven't apart from maybe Jillian and they haven't done something that's way if you have like a point deduction or cheating like everyone pulls me here puts their eyes it puts the fingers like in my in my braids or just does like I can feel like they've got like like luching on where they're all slippery and like do you know all shit like that and yeah or spits like they're going me out or does like shit or mad shit where that's just how they want to play yeah you know what I mean yeah um so how'd you get your nickname do you know this sandwich shop subway yes so I was a sandwich artist there so when I was in college I like that you use the

word artist and that's what they are well artist yeah yes yes um I used to do the night shift and subway training in the morning at the gym and then go to college and um and that was like my life for a few years and uh Paul Rimmer my name Paddy's coach gave both of us our names and they're possibly the best names fight names in the whole of combat sport I think yeah they're the most authentic and my mum calls me meatball my I mean like anyone's on the street in Liverpool what's happening the meatball anyone anyway I was saying today or I think I was saying to you the other day I mean I love it a good nickname goes a long way I mean that's that's branding yeah well I was just saying today on the subway when I move over to boxing after I finish MMA oh is that the move

yeah 100% okay yeah will I still be meatball or will I have a new name no you have to be meatball yeah she said you can't turn your back on meatball got you this far what do you think you're too good to be meatball no well I didn't know like the boxing fans are a different they're different do you know like I don't know if they'll embrace the meatball before fuck them anyway yeah I think you get a knockout on your belt and they'll call you whatever you want to call you yeah so so what's so like what's the transition going to be I mean you you clearly have it somewhat planned in your head so I started doing amateur boxing and when I was a kid and my weight category didn't get added to the Olympic games so I was like caught and you had three weight weight categories and I was like

caught the right too big for this too small for that so Katie Taylor's weight was added and she's like 135 and then 115 was added but I fight at 125 so it was just too much right and so that's when I stopped I went to college and then fell into MMA and I've just always had it in me I would always come back but I think I've spent nine years of my life I've won a world title the same as Paddy in cage warriors but I feel like I need to touch the UFC belt and I've said to the team if there was ever a point where we didn't think that was possible I wouldn't be doing MMA anymore because it's too hard and I'm not going to do something where I can't be the best in the world right so I don't believe I can't be the best in the world but if that ever happens you're ready for boxing

so like realistically speaking how many fights away are you from touching the belt well I've got five wins inside the octagon so I only think like two or three more like I had a push like if I had two really really good wins I need this next fight to be a win and I need to fight a ranked opponent and I'd see like a move to matrium because Dain is really good friends with Eddie and Eddie here in that matrium and I know Eddie would sign me in a heartbeat because I could sell out arenas in England so yeah and then the family connection with Katie Taylor it's just all it's all there is yeah so yeah so who like how is that shaping up right now in the in your division in UFC are there people that you think right now you could take

like without coming across arrogant I feel as if I could beat everyone I'm not saying some fights would be some fight to be a lot easier than others and some fights I'd have to go into the trenches like stylistically because of it wouldn't make it wouldn't I'm five for free and as wide as I am tall you know so these girls are like yeah exactly these girls are five seven five eight and fucking stick thin but trying to get past them big knees and them kicks and then punches is hard but what they lack sometimes is a big bit of strength for their cardio that then comes down where's mine will keep a push and and that kind of thing and I just have to have the Mike Tyson mentality where or the Daniel Cormier mentality of think how small they were and how they had to fuck the biggest

baddest men on the planet yeah I just take that in and like if you're not chefchenco's untouchable but if you don't think that you can beat them then why the fuck are you here yeah so I just think she could like give me a fucking pace them but I could give here one too right so you could beat anyone that's like I've really shown in the last two fights my my evolution as a fighter one the the one last September I fought again over 10 10 inch reach advantage with my whole career on the line and absolutely fucked it with a broken hand and and a torn lc l and miney and then that last fight a fucking nearly killed the gale the elbow yeah the trajectory is this yeah my head isn't in the clouds like I'm right down there mine and Paddy's company keeps us grounded

we don't believe I don't even believe the internet and all these kinds of podcasts and things don't really mean too much to me we've been saying you can't do it do you like that do you like it when people doubt you yeah all right we'll do that for you want to do it yeah yeah yeah you're too small yeah yeah I mean if you fight these top of the line fighters that have that reach advantage you know it's one thing to do it against somebody that's not ranked in the top four but like top of the line like chef chenco if you want to get inside not only do you have to deal with her on the way in but then when you go out you have to deal with her punching you on yeah yeah so that I don't think that you have the stamina for that yeah I know I don't think so either I'm the one who's

landed the most significant strikes and I mean that doesn't really count no like you do stats that win fights is it true you got a metal plate uh put into your elbows is that true I heard that in both yeah you were talking about like the lotion was that maybe rubbing off sounds like you know it a little too well yeah I know a lot of the chances we'll doubt you we had no problem we're actually very good at that yeah some of our most successful friends are there because we said that they suck yeah well I just like to be the underdog I feel like if you have seen any tape on me or documentaries on me my whole life is just kind of being like an uphill battle and when you're used to doing that from like this big then it's just normal to know so I just think you should respect

the monarchy a little bit more you get to fuck you do you think it's weird that it like Americans are kind of obsessed with it um a little bit because not many people have it so it's quite like um it's nice in in that part but when you think about everything that they've done in the the common wealth and how the I always say the way it's wrong colonialized yeah the world and like raped and pillaged the world to own most of it I don't know I just don't really like that and I think we've got a lot my country has a lot to answer for the same as yours does for the state of systemic racism and like like all kinds of things like that and I'm just not we were talking about the monarchy okay I know but that's what happens and I'll use a fucking master we only did it because

you guys we're gonna set your colony up yeah okay hey why are you doing who taught you to subjugate people yeah but what about them when you kicked us out boston tea party you never let me fucking live down whenever it comes to america yeah we're one and oh life time uh 1812 was kind of time yeah that kind of thing I went to distance yeah but it is weird though like everyone like you know there's obviously a lot of uh the show was it the what was the show called the queen no the monarch what's the netflix show what's the show the crown the crown like there's a lot like you nearly fall in love with this yes very bizarre to me because you you see maybe the positive parts and like they humanized do you know what I mean like yeah like you feel for

like the queen for a minute because you think oh fuck and then you you feel our prince Charles really didn't love Diana and all this shit and then you just think oh you're all a fucking gang what the hell yeah you guys listen we do things the right way you guys have the monarch we have the Kardashians okay good upstanding people well yeah we elect our leaders freely and fairly you just have to go to either Harvard or Yale and have a dad that also went there and is mega rich yeah that's how we do it but did you know that um the queen owns every mute swan in the world I did yeah I should kill a mute swan no because that's a treason oh that's what it called isn't it they'll hang a treason but I don't think they'll hang you anymore but you will definitely go to

prison for that and what else does she own she owns corgis corgis all corgis I like corgis though she doesn't own them all but she like likes them yeah it is it is weird that we know like this one random old lady right lives on an island right that we'll never meet we know her favorite dog yeah well the madness is I was saying to quite a lot of yous like we're not taught about weird history very much we're only really it's the same as yous Americans we're only taught about the things we win it's very really the things that we lost on our name and I was saying to to Ellis kids in England will know more states in America than they will counties in the UK really so like the countries broke down into counties and then in the county is a city so it's like a state it's just

a different yeah I always assumed that in England you were taught about America like you know New York City because that's where all you know like cop tv shows are filmed you know Texas because that's where cowboys live and then all of California it's a movie star yeah and Michael Jordan and Michael yeah well I I don't know where we're kids and everything's glamourized to us with you guys and everything was bigger and better everyone in England always wanted the American dream to remain and I was saying to Ellis like I remember coming to the first time I came to America was 12 it was like September the 11th 2002 so it was the the first anniversary and I remember coming to International Drive in Florida there and I was there for two weeks and I was just like what could you imagine

being like a mini meatball like it was like a baby six inch it's like a baby six inch sub and I was just like going around Universal on the Hulk ride and fucking just walking down the street and then there's like Spiderman's just like and I was like wow and I was like this is fucking awesome and then I came back again when I was 19 to wake I was a soccer coach in Virginia and I got to see like all of these coasts and I always remember the first time I came to New York I got a grey hand from DC up and it was like four o'clock in the morning by the time I got here and it must have been like a Tuesday or a Wednesday but like the streets were dead and all there was was like the odd yellow cab because Ubers wasn't around then yeah Instagram wasn't even a thing it was just

Facebook and I just remember looking and I think Empire State of mind song had just come out like that album for Jay-Z had just been released and I just remember thinking fucking hell this really is amazing and then I went to Las Vegas and I was like this is not a bit of me I was like get me back to New York yeah but then coming back this time it's quite tough because I feel like the pandemic has really had its way with Manhattan and it's like it's really sad because I've seen more of the rest of New York like we've spent quite a lot of time in Brooklyn and like the other parts but I feel like Manhattan was where the dream once was and I don't know if it's there anymore yeah it's definitely the vibe has definitely changed a little bit just because I mean it yeah yeah

but like everyone's money like no one has got the money every one it's the same in England like so many independent businesses are fucked from it but everyone's time it comes around again you know what I mean so there'd be a resurgence but it was so nice to see different parts I think we was in Chelsea and so how when yeah we got it like obviously I'm gay and I got to go to the Stonewall Inn where Pride started yesterday yeah and it was like it was really great to see that kind of thing and do my face pizza review yesterday yeah bleak history pizza no I was just drunk and done it myself it was bleaker street was it was it John's a bleaker was it just the bleaker street was it was just bleak history was it were you got a slice

I got a slice yeah it was 8.6 but I was really really drunk not a rookie score no it was really really drunk but the only damn fall was it was really floppy yeah whether they're giant slices there massive yeah and then Kevin Bacon walked in oh yeah New York resident I know full time the ghost man where where are the best crowds that you've seen all the places you've fought Boston Greenville in South Carolina yeah and I don't think you ever beat London that last that one that you watched yeah it was incredible like I'm not gonna lie to you yet I've been to so many events and I feel like Brazil and maybe England because we have a massive soccer culture or football culture back home like everyone chants and sings a lot and it's not just like let's go people to

know like a very American show it's like we've got songs and the the atmosphere when I walked out I just was like fucking hell like me boy you need to go and put the show your life on because it costs a lot like no one always thinks about the price and when you're awake and class person the tickets were like people were like remortgaging houses to go and then and then like an alcoholic beverage is about $20 do you know what I mean and it just yeah it all adds up it's about a grand just the fucking five hours of fights out I feel like you must match that always yeah I name that's great I mean that's all fans want is for you know to because you go to a fight and there'll be times when when the fighters you know the fight game is hard because there's sometimes there's cards and

there's nothing you can do about it and people don't really understand that but there's other times where it's like oh that fight sucked because those those fighters didn't really want to throw hands and they were you know more defensive so you're the people's champ that's what they say yeah do you have a song that's written about you I think I do actually yeah I've been sent a few whilst I've been in America but I've just been like fuck just let me just go and enjoy myself like life since landing in New York hasn't stopped it was only Monday I literally slept for 18 hours because I've been doing media training drinking drinking and dancing like I've been doing 3000 calories like in a club in like five hours on the dance floor that's like more than I done when I ran like

a marathon yeah that's amazing what is your training like yeah yeah just dancing just dancing now in I'm going to Phoenix tomorrow for three days I've got three days way for training in the lab with him with Courtney Casey and with Dean Thomas gonna say hello and then in San Diego I've got about nine days of training with J flow and a few of the the fighters from Paddy will be there yeah me and Paddy I'm gonna be living with him from tomorrow oh okay so all right yeah you guys get along always yeah yeah like we have got a really good relationship on him we've done this since before we were world champions and we've done this before the losses and we've done this before the highs and we've said this from the beginning when me and him fight it's always different

like back in the day in Liverpool we'd sell six seven thousand tickets together and like you have some pro boxing cards that could never could never ever sell that many tickets and you listen to the crowd when we fight it's just it's a different ball game but it's just because we're so different to suppose and only we know what it's like to be living through what we live them through yeah and like my girlfriend and his fiancee really get on so and our coach Ellis and his like baby mum Michaela we've got like a good strong little six of us and it's good there's no jealousy there's no what about me it's like go on go on that's awesome even when I win a fight I'm singing his name in my post-fighting yeah yeah and it's great yeah both of you are with us at Barstool

are you are you close enough to him to be able to comfortably say hey Patty I love you uh you gotta do something about the hair um I just really love his hair but I do tell him if he's wearing like shit trainers or are you wearing that top lads you like you've got loads of money going buy a new one but he won't it's just the way that he is it's just who he is that's funny I love that about yeah um he's a minge bag that's he's a minge bag that's what I like about you and what I like about Patty is you guys are you seem like you're the most down-to-earth people in the world authentic yeah very authentic I just don't think we're scared about being who we are and I think it takes a person who's courageous to be like unapologetically true to them and I don't know we just try and be

the best us we can and represent where we're from and bring everyone with us and and that's it you know what I mean yeah yeah um all right so I had one last question it's the row back question you guys can uh we have some shirts if you want q zips polos rhobck.com use code take for 20 off your first purchase do you want Dana White is a big listener of this show longtime recurring guest do you want to call someone out well I've got someone on July 23rd so I'll fuck that one face okay and then and then we'll go from there okay but Dana let's get super boxing going in a few years yeah yeah okay so it's interesting when you're talking about making the transition to boxing you're a striker in the UFC you're you are known for throwing some hard punches

what's the difference between being an excellent striker in MMA and then being good enough at striking to be a boxer when I box and spar and this is a hand on heart I fight totally different when I box than how I do when I'm in the MMA cage that I'm not fighting someone who's fucking five four eight who cuts 20 pounds on fight week like boxers just make way different so everyone's built like me and is my size um so the fighters a lot easier I shouldn't say a lot easier it's just a lot easier to overcome just hands instead of knees and kicks and elbows right and striking within MMA it took me until the last two fights to realize striking for MMA and how to do that efficiently because too much you you're trying to build too much of a style and then what we did is

we just sat me down and when I'm under pressure we see what I respond with and then we see my opponent and see how we can just chain a little pattern to be able to beat them instead of being like be more like this be more like this be more like this so but that was just where I came into the game really late so it was like I don't know nine fights I had in total to get to the UFC so like I've leaned a lot on the job yeah yeah all right so July 23rd and we'll be watching me and Patrick and beyond you and Patty yeah love it and uh we appreciate you coming on this has been a lot of fun happy birthday for you happy birthday thank you very much guys literally your birthday try not to throw any elbows at anyone tonight I don't know we're going to a gig we're going to

watch a english rapper called Dave okay so I told the story on Monday show that like I said I was like I don't know if I'm rooting for Liam Smith and you threw an elbow right in my chest I was like and I was like oh I know but he was a scouser he was from Liverpool and you could tell which is different couldn't you tell yeah you could you could you absolutely could and you predicted that fight perfectly you're like oh he'll he's slow start but he'll he'll start to just absolutely kill him later in the fight um all right thank you so much Molly appreciate it thank you thank you Molly the meatball is brought to you by our good friends over at Shopify Shopify is the all-in-one commerce platform to start run and grow your business Shopify gives entrepreneurs the resources

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take right now okay let's wrap up we got firefest of the week send you on your way Hank firefest of the week um my firefest I I've sneezed in the last three days upwards of like 300 times okay and sneezing you have allergies I have allergies bad I just took a live COVID test it came back negative let's go thank god was a little nervous um took that earlier in the show but sneezing in public has got to be like the most awkward oh it's so taboo now and it always was taboo though but it's really when you're driving I think it's super dangerous like I don't know what the stats are and they probably wouldn't be able to figure out like the cause of death because you know they're probably driving by themselves but people probably die

sneezing on the road like it's a very dangerous thing and sneezing I sneezed I was on the train and I get these like sneezing spurts where I sneeze like five times in a row and you guys know my sneeze a little bit loud and it's just so awkward like it's just so like unless you have a handkerchief which I didn't have one like you're just sneezing into your like sweatshirt it's gross or your hands which is gross and but there's nothing you can do yeah like you can try to hold it in but when you have allergies like I've had allergies this past couple days there's nothing you can't do the pineapple thing you can't do the like look up or whatever what's the pineapple thing you think about pineapple no you just say pineapple yeah you say pineapple I thought about pineapple

no I think if you say pineapple it stops you from sneezing oh I thought I was thinking about pineapple that's that's I think it's a Pete I think it's a Pete repeat thing is it throwback show yeah you know the adventures of Pete and Pete Pete and Pete yeah so repeat hang if you have like a mask you can put the mask on and then the mask becomes your handkerchief didn't have a mask yeah you were just sneezing raw dog and sneezes in everyone's face yeah that's a lot of people's firefest I'm sure it was like I was sitting next to Hank Lockwood on the train it wasn't a busy train thankfully but like it was still you know oh you got you had some people who were like killed this man yeah yeah yeah but I would say even pre-covid it's still like one of the more awkward things you

can do how many how many people do you think use allergies as just a cover for being sick I feel like every time I'm like what are you sick there's like allergies well I I know when I'm sick but like I don't when I'm sick I don't sneeze 500 times in two days right isn't being sick just like being allergic to a certain germ too yeah so I guess it's true it's always allergies like I don't know you know people do that all that are like pollen's bad yeah and I'm always like oh yeah sure like I never check January yeah yeah what are you talking about we're in Greenland sir yeah no but Hank isn't there so you were talking about like the the handkerchief the people that carry around handkerchiefs I feel like I've never seen anybody below the age of 50 use a handkerchief

yeah I would even say like 60 it seems right it honestly seems like the grossest thing ever to just like have a piece of cloth that you carry around that you just put your snot on it's literally back in your pocket it's literally before Kleenex were invented yeah yeah you're holding on you're holding this morning I like what I guess what if you don't have a mask and you don't have a handkerchief you're just sneezing everywhere right yeah it's brutal all right better not sneeze around me like Vince I'll Vince McMahon yeah no magic if you're around Vince McMahon right now he would actually have you dead yes excuse myself yes all right PFT your firefest yeah my firefest is so my 11 year old plays travel baseball so we had to travel baseball tournament first of all most

umpires I get along with it wait what kind of what what a level it's high level travel baseball where is this well it was in the Nashville area and a huge percentage of them not surprisingly in the Nashville area either listen to or currently listen to our show so if you're an umpire right now and you're listening odds or I'm gonna get along with you fine so here's you get along with umpires generally I get along fine with umpires most of them are listeners to my show it's very successful wait can I ask another question in the scenario was your was your is your son a good hitter my son's a great hitter my son's great here's what happened to scenario playing an early morning Sunday game supposed to start at 945 play the first half inning uh the umpire at home play

disappears okay disappear I've never seen this happen before he had to go to the bathroom oh so he starts to be multiple umpires if it's such a high level and I've never seen this before he had to go to the bathroom I feel like if it was as high level as you say there would be multiple so he starts for like 10 minutes after the first half inning there's a 30 minute break no game going on before this by the way okay no game going on before oh so he could have gone to the bathroom before he could have gone to the bathroom 10 minutes in he decides he has to go to the bathroom 10 minutes and it's hot everyone's standing on the field everyone's waiting to go for the bathroom for like 10 minutes I've never seen that happen before every guy goes to the bathroom for 10 minutes

all right you're going to the bathroom for 10 minutes you're making everybody wait better come back and do a decent job he gets back almost immediately he stops the game because the kid has a little small gold necklace with a cross on it and he's about to come up to bat and he makes the king hazard he makes the kid take the cross necklace off and go hand it to his mom this is probably why there's so many guns in our world because religion is dead so we're all standing around waiting on this guy who's gone to the bathroom makes the kid take a gold cross off all right it's a necklace or it was a gold cross he made the kid take a gold cross off all right it's only a six in a game by the way so the game I think it's three two my 11 year old is up to bat

two oh count pitcher throws a ball their runners on second third two outs basically a run a one run game pitch comes in it's a ball catcher pops up throws the third ball gets a third with no issue the runner who's on third gets back has no issue at all he calls my son out for batter interference all right so if you've ever been to a little league game wait did he was he interfering he calls my son out for batter interference right if you've ever been to a little league game I've been to hundreds yeah I've been to a lot of college and major league baseball games I've never seen this call see that's you know pft like I know I know you've seen been to a lot of games but I remember back in my day like that was a relatively common call hundreds like

obviously you know someone's firing down to the third base guy to try and you know pick a guy off isn't super common but when that does happen if a pitchers if a batter's you know in the batter's box or in the way the catcher like that's not a that's not a crazier zero issue the ball gets the third not remotely close play is there any chance that this ump doesn't like your son because he most likely has lice the third base umpire called my son out for batter interference two and oh pitch the pitchers about to make a two oh count runners on second third one run game he ends the inning calling batter interference on my son who's a right-handed batter who's right there in the batter's box and uh he doesn't even get in the way there's no issues calls him out for

batter interference ends the inning I'm sitting behind home plate all right and by the way on the other team after this calls two other kids because on foul balls they let the back go and started to run to first base dangerous okay he called two kids out for that so six inning game he calls almost 10 percent of the batters out for violations he calls my son I say you've got to be kidding me it's exactly what I said I said you've got to be kidding me no swear I said you've got to be kidding me the umpire comes undone he rips the cap off his head the inning's over and he's like you can talk about this on the radio if you want but you can't talk to me like this with me here you're gone so he throws me out so I'm sitting there by the way I'm with my dad and mom wait did

you swear or not wait marlon's man was there no I forgot to mention like I got kicked out of my dad and mom were right next to me and I thought you said you got to be fucking kidding yeah I listen I said I said what I said the thing is you're you're getting paid the kids aren't getting paid you should do as little as possible to actually influence the game you've called three people out for violating rules I've never seen anybody called out for in little league this is a tournament by the way okay yeah so these are pretty good players you know it's bet it's it's not like it's low level yes it's not like it's low level little league I mean it's fairly high level little league but you're getting paid you're professional so you should in my opinion be held

to professional standard if you're getting paid I don't care who the other people are you should be held to professional standard so another guy comes over like don't get into a big argument with him and look you can say oh you should have said you know whatever I react naturally like I would it's an unbelievable call it was unbelievable so I don't even know what this guy's name is as you could talk about the radio show if you want and I don't care who these boys daddies are like screw you dude all right you're a loser you're a really crappy job so his supervisor comes on says just so you know uh I need you to walk over can you watch from from the sideline then I watch from the sideline listen you could decide that the play went on a perfectly fine throw to third was made kids back

safely so why are you calling the batter out on it if you're so power hungry you have to call the kids out for minor violations of the rule and frankly where there aren't even rule violations because I guarantee if we sent the tape in to however this loser's boss is they would say yeah he's in the wrong so it's like in the NFL they send the tape and they say yeah we hold you accountable no matter how old the kids are no matter how old the kids are playing that's the exact opposite of what an umpire should be doing so that's my firefest the week wow I got kicked out of my son's little league sounds like you're a hero how many people are going to listen to that and be like we don't have any clue what's going on because that kid that kid um that umpire like he's he should be he

should lose the job yeah agreed I mean yeah you got paid to be an umpire you should be your job no one no one does the cell phone cell phone not cell phone quite like clay well I was saying it like the him and him and revel or enemies but they're actually the same people oh yeah like they cell phone more than anyone yes like I mean like it just made me immediately think about the fact that he willingly was like they didn't let me on a plane because my kids had lights like just openly gave that up to everyone yeah not only did that happen but he he wrote like 3000 words about yeah about his kid having lights and honestly if you if you read that most people's reaction was wow good job by the airline not letting somebody with lights sit in one of their seats but it's just three

generations of his family watching him getting kicked out of a little league game it's beautiful I don't care how bad an ump is in a little league game if you get kicked out of a little league game high level it says so much more about you than anyone else yeah that's that's a fair point Hank it was fairly hot it's fairly high level it's a tournament and the sun was hitting well six in the game and he was like I have relationships good relationships with umpires like why are you as a fan having any relationship with any umpire at any level yeah now if like you're not a coach if you were that's a great point hey if you were like in opposing watching the games if you were an opposing parent who also had a radio show and you saw that clay travis was out here bragging

about the relationship he had with these umpires and how he's got a good relationship you would probably want to go on your own radio show yeah say how that's bullshit that clays influencing the umpires he is he also had a great you know a spin zone the next day on twitter when everyone was dunking on him he was like oh this is the blue check mark the great are triggered are triggered and outraged at these backs like no we're like you're just nothing to do about politics this is just as basic as it gets you just sat and like bragged about getting kicked out of a little league game when people are mad that's how you know that you're over the target and thought that everyone would be like oh my god you're right that umpire sucks like what what you got to be

fucking kidding me you have to tell us that the umpire struck a child for us to be like yeah you know what good job like umpires have a shitty job dude like it sucks the guy like I had diarrhea for partying too much the night before he was out in the sun you know umpiring all these kids that are probably not good at baseball because they're 11 and he probably thought he was gonna be able to make it through the game and then after the first half anything was like no yeah i might as well just i might as well just do this now because i'm not making it six innings yeah embarrassing that would be too for the umpire to have to like pause the entire game and then leave and then be on the toilet for 30 minutes yeah you're like everybody knows i'm shitting right now you can't even hide that

also breaking news run if it's patrick just retired oh damn he'll be back yeah probably that's that's not a real retirement no chance halfway through the season somebody gets hurt no chance no chance um all right my firefest i i actually uh it's a pre-firefest my son's graduation i'm putting in quotes because it's how do you graduate from being two years old uh but they invited me to the graduation and they're like speech no i'm not okay no but they were an instrument there's yeah the commencement speech no it was very funny because in the email it was like please make sure they're up to date on mr son mr son mr golden son and so i think that's all they're gonna do for their graduation uh but i'm gonna cry for sure do you know the song the idea i won't be singing i think

it's them the kids have to sing oh but you have to make sure he's up to date yeah they were like they were like here's his homework yeah so you have to know he doesn't know any of the words no he is my son because every time we ask him to do something he doesn't want to do he just says i'll do it tomorrow so it's like it's yeah i mean i i'm looking in the mirror your father's son yeah yeah it's like this is you are i can't be mad at you you're actually smarter than me you figured out this life hack at two and you know almost three years old that you just keep saying tomorrow and tomorrow will never come so as far as the graduation goes what he's literally graduating to being three yes is it i was shocked when i got the email but i'm gonna be going to the

graduation and i'm sure like it's an absolutely ridiculous thing on paper and then i know the minute i step in the white lines i will be crying yeah that's cool though i feel like i feel like most parents are gonna cry in that type of situation yeah i mean there's nothing i can do i'm gonna cry i'm gonna cry but it is a total like i saw the invite on our countertop that said graduation i was like what is he graduating from he's not even in school yeah it's just three hours a day by the time you get there you're just gonna be like inside your own mind you're gonna be hearing the song landslide yes yes you're gonna turn into a fucking no probably cats in the cradle thanks hank remember that i'll never forget it i've been afraid of changing all right numbers

13 26 no 18 18 banner 18 i'm gonna go 19 69 no 61 that would have been awesome do a fake billy fact uh oh i yeah i don't think billy will hear this someone sent me a uh a reddit thread that was like post your most fun animal fact and i want to start tracking oh it's like how consistent how many bills are you using yeah do you have the thread uh i'll find it for i'll find it for next week i'll send it to you guys also i my second firefest the week is i got mistaken for a woman again still got it love you guys

i'm talking away i don't know what i have to say i'll say it anyway today's a not a day but the party oh i won't send it but i need some little weight still learning life is okay is it all not

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