Pardon My Take - Smylie Kaufman Talking PGA Championship, Knicks Whomp The Celtics, Thunder To The WCF, Miami Marlins Kyle Stowers And Tyler Phillips In Studio And A Goodbye To Mr Bing Bong

Episode Date: May 19, 2025

We had a weekend full of sports and Hank is trying to avoid talking about Friday night and the Knicks whomping of the Celtics so we talk about everything else first. Thunder take down the Nuggets and grow up in front of our eyes (00:00:00-00:15:18). Scottie Scheffler dominates the PGA Championship and wins his third major (00:15:18-00:23:18). Maple Leafs lose in Game 7 and the Stars advance (00:23:18-00:26:46). We talk some WNBA and Hank empties the clip on other stories (00:26:46-00:37:11). We finally get to Friday night and talk Knicks Celtics and Hank's mental state and whether hes smashing the rebuild button (00:37:11-01:09:53). Who's back of the week (01:09:53-01:22:27). Smylie Kaufman joins the show to talk PGA Championship, just how good Scottie Scheffler is, mud balls, Rory not talking to the media and tons more (01:22:27-02:04:41). We then welcome on Miami Marlins Kyle Stowers and Tyler Phillips talking baseball, making it to the big leagues, hitting dingers, and tons more (02:04:41-02:48:45). We finish with a recap of Max's AWL Bachelor party and a surprise farewell to Mr Bing Bong (02:48:45-03:08:19).You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/pardon-my-take

Hey, pardon my take listeners. You can find every episode on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime members can listen ad free on Amazon Music. On today's pardon my take, we've got a ton of sports to talk about. A lot of sports this weekend. We're going to talk about NBA playoffs. We had some duds in game sevens. We had the Preakness, which was incredible. Celtics Knicks are over. We're going to get our thoughts from Hank from Friday night. We got a great interview with Smiley Kaufman talking PGA championship. Uh, Scotty Scheffler is back in the winner's circle.

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Today is Monday, May 19th. And holy shit, we got sports, baby. Game seven weekend. Duds. The anticipation for the game seven is way better than the actual game sevens. This is making me disagree with LeBron's TAKE, and he's the first person I've ever heard say this the two best words in sports Game seven. Yes that actually this this kind of puts me back on to game sixes

I might be a game six guy. Listen, I game sevens are great game seven duds I don't even want there to be a game seven when it happens and we had two of them on Sunday I agree with you game six is maybe more important. Did we have any game sixes? That's the new game seven new games. What Hank, what would you like to talk about first? Cause we have every sport. We're literally going to talk golf. Scotty chef. Yeah. Well I had WNBA on there. We have everything. You want to start with Scotty or do you want to start with basketball? I feel like major championship or game sevens. That's pretty easy. You know, one of those two. How are you? What about your game seven that you had Hank? Didn't have a game seven. Oh, why not? It's Monday

night. Okay. So the Celtics lost. No, you want to start, you want to start with it? But yeah, sure. Let's let's let's get it off. Let's get the bandaid. Let's get into it. Let's do it. Let's do it. Let's do it. Hank is so egotistical that he thought that we were talking about the Celtics this whole time. No, we were talking about the thunder and the nuggets and we were talking about this game seven. We were talking about Scotty. Let's let's wait. OK, let's wait. OK, let's let's talk about the game sevens today. Let's talk about the thunder nuggets. By the way, I should have started the show parody is back NBA parody is officially back This now with the Thunder beating the Nuggets in game seven there are going to be it's guaranteed

seven different champions in seven different years in the NBA and we also have the chance for two franchises who've never won a title in Indiana and Minnesota. I guess actually three because I don't I don't think OKC claims any of Seattle's history. Well even though the Durant is yeah Kevin Durant and then the and then the Knicks last title was 52 years ago. So no matter what the final four in the NBA, we're going to get a new champion for half a century. I don't think that Seattle would allow OKC to claim any of their past success. I think they'd put up a pretty big fight for that.

Right. It's obviously the same franchise, but it's not. So we're going to say three out of four have never won a title and the fourth is the New York Knicks who haven't won a title in 52 years. So parody is back and it's just kind of cool because out of four have never won a title and the fourth is the New York Knicks who haven't won a title in 52 years. So Parody is back and it's just kind of cool because out of the maybe a passing of the torch SGA, Anthony Edwards, Jalen Brunson, Tyrese Halbert and one of those four is going to win their first NBA title. It is pretty cool. It is pretty cool.

And the Thunder, it looked like the series was just too long for the Nuggets. They were too old, too banged up. Aaron Gordon was playing on one and a half legs pretty much. He couldn't jump off his left leg. What a beast. He's a beast. Yeah. And by the way, just to put it into perspective, Aaron Gordon played in game seven with a grade two hammy. And if the Lakers were in this game, LeBron would still be two weeks away

from coming back. That's true. Because LeBron, remember when he got hurt in the last game of the Lakers season, they for some reason put out a timetable for his return, which no one needed or asked for. Right. So the hypothetical return, if they had won, here's what I would be able to do. Steph Curry had the same injury, didn't play at all. It's true. I missed a softball game with the same injury. These are,

these are all like elite athletes that aren't able to will themselves to do it. And somehow Aaron Gordon was. He led the game in rebounds. Pretty incredible. And the final score won't tell you the full story because up until about three minutes left in the first half, it was a one point game and it was like, it looked like it was going to be a defensive struggle. Looked like it was going to be an ugly game. The exact kind of game that I think the nuggets would want to be in that they might have a

chance to win. And then in the last three minutes of that first half, it all fell apart. And I believe it was 42 to 41 with three minutes left in the second. And then Oklahoma City went on an 18 to five run to close out the half. And then it was just never closed from that point. Yeah. As I say, it all fell apart for the Nuggets. It all fell into plan for the Thunder. I feel like this series was the Thunder like growing up in front of our eyes because they had in this series,

they had the game three overtime game where it was like, ooh, is this moment too big for them? Then they come back, have the game four and five wins. Don't close it out in Denver, game six. And then even in game seven, the way this game started, they were down 10 almost like instantly. And you're like, uh-oh, are they getting a little tight? Is this like a championship DNA kind of game? And then the Thunder again grow up and like, that's a game where they're def, they play defense. Like, I mean, it's insane

watching them play defense. They are so good as a unit. Caruso is such a menace. There's a little bit, I know there's a lot of argument about fouls and all this. I enjoyed watching, because I feel like Jokic and Caruso were going back and forth. Like, they were both kind of being very physical. And I do think the Thunder have a little bit of the Seattle Seahawks. There's our football talk of like like they can't call everything. But Caruso was such a tone setter and so good. And I threw out there on Thursday night, I

believe, that he's so underrated. And someone was like, dude, he's not underrated. He's, you know, been all defense a couple of times. And I was thinking about it. He is underrated because two franchises basically got rid of Caruso for nothing. The Lakers let him walk because they were cheap and didn't want to go in the luxury tax. And the Bulls didn't get a pick for him, even though they should have because the Thunder I think have 7 billion picks. And Alex Caruso is like, their Thunder are great as a team and Alex Caruso just takes that defense intensity to another level. And they are so fucking ferocious defensively. And shout out to SGA because I feel like he grew up as well he went games 5 6 & 7 31 points 32 points 35 points and he went game 552% from the field sit then

game 6 68% from the field game 7 63% from the field the best player on the Thunder stepped up his game when they needed him to and they had like, you know, the role players step up today. The Thunder are so good. They're such a good team and I don't even know like I don't even know where to start with the Thunder versus Wolves because both defenses are just gonna eat each other alive. Yeah, I mean it was uh, it was one of those games where Caruso as a defender proved that he's worth everything that you're paying him and then some and I feel like the games that the Thunder as a team do really well are the games where Caruso is not like a top scorer Yeah on the team, you know the the Alex Caruso games

I think we talked about them losing one of the Alex Caruso games Yeah, where he tried to bring him back at the end of the game Yeah, yeah when he's just like fighting people in the background playing hard defense Those are the games that fall into place for the Thunder. Yeah. Yeah. When he's just like fighting people in the background, when he's playing hard defense, those are the games that that fall into place for the thunder. Yeah, they did kind of grow up. But again, it was a close game. It was, it was a very close game until the end of the first half. But can you call it a close game if it was only a close game for less than a half? No, I don't think you can. I'm going to say it was a close game until that's back to my point

about just it being a long series for the older team. Yeah. And they seem to just run out of all the gas that they had stored up. Well, I mean, Thunder, a better team, they were a better team. And I like you go back to that game three, like they they that's a game they could have won, should have won. And it could have been like I do give the Nuggets a ton of credit for even getting to game seven because I do think they were overmatched. And they have a lot of questions going into this offseason because it just like

You got to get more help for Yoke Hitch, but Yoke Hitch we love Yoke Hitch on this podcast. He's awesome He could have played better this series Yeah, and I know that it like he needs probably you know a little more spacing and some more help in but games four He only took nine shots today. He was at the free throw line a lot but game four and game seven and again this is all relative because Jokic even in a bad game still impacts the game in a way that few people do but I think it's fair to hold them to the standard of best player in the world and if he was the best player in the world game four and seven he could have played better and they could have won this.

Yeah would he have 20 points today. Yeah, yeah 20 He has like flashes in these series where like explode for 40 But he did not play up to his own standards And that's a lot of lot of credit to the Thunder because they had him in a torture chamber Yeah, when Caruso was just banging with him down low Yocic. He said like the my last resort is I'm gonna have to flop against Alex Caruso. Yeah, and he got rewarded for it a little bit. But yeah, he was he was in he was in a bad spot. He couldn't get it done all by himself and Aaron Gordon. I think that that was the big difference in this game because going into this game. Well, they wouldn't have won the nuggets wouldn't have won with a healthier Aaron Gordon. They lost by 35. Yeah, but I'm saying into this game, the nuggets were plus 32 with Gordon on the court and minus 68 when he was not on the court. Yeah. So it makes a difference. Of course. I'm just trying to give some I'm trying to give a little bit of context obviously the Thunder were

the better team in this series. It went seven. Yeah. So it's not like it was a blowout one way or the other it was a dominant game seven performance for sure but in context I think that it was a closer series than, than we're making it seem when we say that like, no, I gave it suck and no, I didn't say you'll get sucked. Yeah. I said, Yoke, itch. If he's the best player in the world, he had two games in this series that if he had played better, they would have probably won the series. And again, he needs more help around him. I'm more saying like the conversation of yokich is best player in the world Best player in the world can sometimes be like I'm gonna take over this series and win this series

Yeah, he didn't do that didn't happen. He did not suck although Game four he sucked. He was like 7 for 22. And again, I think it's the Thunder defense. They are so good defensively and Yeah, I mean remember game, because that feels like forever ago. That was a game the Thunder almost won in the, you know, crazy heroics, the end. They lucked into that one. Yeah. Yeah. So I, I feel like the story of this series is not as much as like, oh man, the nuggets right there. I feel like it's the Thunder grew up and like the demons of going through the wars in a playoffs and being a young team, they almost like speed

ran it in this series alone. Yeah, I have no idea what to expect at all from the Timberwolves nuggets or Timberwolves Thunder series, because that both teams play great defense. Both teams have emerging superstars that you you think that you can trust that are fun to watch when they're great. But one of the guys is going to be obviously able to to elevate their game to a next level and the other's not Yeah, and it's really good. I don't know. I have no idea which one's gonna I think it's gonna come down to the the the guys around him like jalen williams today was was awesome And he they that's what the thunder need is like the second guy who can step up and julius randall has been awesome

So it's like the the the wolves feel like they might have that. Did you guys see Jokic's quotes after? He had two that I really enjoyed. One was he was asked how this offseason would be compared to last offseason. He said the next couple of days is going to be a lot of beer probably. Which okay that's relatable. There's a lot of beer. And then I really like this one. He was, cause this happens with every team. Uh, when they lose, they get asked about like, you know, window and all this stuff. So they asked them if, if this team can win a title and he said, we didn't, I don't believe in if stuff. There it is. They didn't win a title.

You can't be like, can they win a title? They didn't win a title. Yeah, no, they'll have to make some changes Yeah But I really wish this game was better. That's all game sevens. Scott Foster didn't do his fucking job That's my problem game sevens are they need to they need to always deliver. We don't talk enough about the bad game sevens The bad game sevens are the biggest bummer. There were a couple bad game sevens today. Yeah, although The bad game sevens are the biggest bummer. There were a couple bad game sevens today. Yeah, although Credits to the Thunder I want to say for anyone who had one TV They they did do a good job of like making it no doubter at the end of the first half and in the third quarter So that everyone could switch to the PGA championship

That's for one TV guys The problem was the PGA also became a no-doubter at the same time that the basketball became a no-datter. Should we do our PGA recap right now? We could do that. I was going to say embrace debate, Big Cat. Is it better to lose in game six, like get the shit kicked out of you, get your teeth stomped in, get your guts pulled out of your belly button, or then to go on to lose game seven and get the shit kicked out of you? How bad do you lose in game six? Game six is really bad. It's worse loss for a defending champion in an elimination game ever Yeah, but it's also on a Friday. So it's kind of like a news dump. Got it But Sunday's in front of the world got it Max. You didn't know that's that. No, that's good. So let's get it

Let's do PJ. Okay. Okay. All right. So Scotty Scheffler incredible Did you so I was thinking about it. Do you think there's a, uh, there's probably a few guys out there who timed their nap where they'd never thought this, uh, tournament was ever in doubt because they basically timed their nap and fell asleep in the middle portion of the day when John Rom tied it. And then they woke up and John Rom was like six shots back you're like oh yeah I knew I perfect nap there was no new knew that sky shuffle was gonna run away there was no drama

whatsoever in this for that guy yeah it was tied it was in fact tied and it was like oh shit is Scottie gonna melt down is he gonna fall apart and a couple bad bogeys on the front nine and then Rom looked like he was being mentally strong yeah and then everything bad possible happened to John Rom and Scotty just kept being Scotty just dialed in. There was we're going to get into a smile in a little bit. There was a full recap of smiling controversy about Rory's driver and his driver face. But we have an update to that now. But oh, okay. We have an update to the the driver that was pulled from Rory because the face was too thin on it

Scheffler Scotty Scheffler the champion just admitted that his driver is also tested this week and did not comply Hmm that he needed switch drivers before the tournament Wow, and he said if we're going to do it, right We need to be more robust even test guys every single week Wow every driver tested, but he won but he. But he talked to the media about getting the driver taken. He did not use the bad driver in this tournament. Huh? Interesting. Just an interesting point of fact. I feel very vindicated that we rooted against Rory for the Masters after he didn't talk to the media any of the days. That's

that should be illegal. You have to talk to the media. We do. How are we going to do our job? Yeah, listen, we are actually the reason why the why professional golfers exist. Yeah, is us talking about the golfers. Yeah, that exists. I love watching Scotty when he's the man. It also just like from a personal perspective, the fact that like he's intimately knowledgeable of Stu Feiner just makes it even better. I was thinking about that. Oh, I think about it every time he's leading in a big tournament. I'm just like, this guy fucking watches Stu finer say, eat ass, lick clit. Yeah. Also, before going to church, massive respect to Mrs. Scheffler, because after Scotty makes the final putt on 18, the first thing she does, she's like,

you take the baby. Yeah, like immediately. She's like, I've been carrying this baby around all day. You take the baby. He's your thing to deal with now. And then Scotty takes him into the clubhouse. Yes. And has to distract him with a hat and like another toy. Be like, Hey, just focus on this real quick. What I have to sign my score card for this major championship to count. Can you just look at this hat for a sec? The most relatable dad moment because you do like I remember once I was in a car with my kids and they were Screaming bloody murder and I got one of them to stop by just handing them a bottle and they just like we're just playing with

The actual empty bottle they just look at that was Scottie Shepard being like dude notebook hat Those are your toys for the next three minutes. You got this Yeah, and that will distract the kid for about three minutes and then you got to find something else I've done that before but with remotes where I'm like here look at this remote And then they just pick it up and start hitting all the buttons. Yeah. Yeah remotes are Dicey though cuz then you just change everything on your TV. Yeah, well, it wasn't my TV. So it was like that's true Yeah, yeah, but it was an awesome tournament Hank. Did you have any thoughts on the tournament? Yeah, it was awesome term for Scotty wasn't an awesome tournament in terms of like

drama thoughts on the tournament? Yeah, it was awesome. Term of her Scotty wasn't an awesome tournament in terms of like drama. No, not a lot of good drama. I mean Scotty going five under in his last five holes yesterday. Like I'm sure there's a lot of guys who were like, all right, you know, they finished their round, maybe a couple, a couple of holes ahead of Scotty. Like, all right, I got a shot at this. And then they just see him come in five under four shot lead going into Sunday. Like it's over. Yeah. Wanted John Rom to come back. I, I, I, you know, I want it to be closer just for, just for the drama, but I like seeing Scotty win. Yeah. I mean on, on Sunday morning when you can bet on it online, it was, you couldn't even really bet on Scotty. The odds were just so crazy. It was minus four 50. The first odd that was, uh,

that was at the top of the screen was who was going to finish in second today. Yeah. And that became the new champion that you could bet on. Yeah. And it was all, I mean, we will talk about it with Smiley, but I was, Scottie was in like seventh place and he was plus 250. And I was just like, this, it's almost like they knew. Scottie's coming and there's nothing you can do about it. Yeah.

He was pumped when he won let out a scream kind of remember I said I got a little Hate for my take that Scotty had that moment in the butler cabin where he was like, oh it's on now Because people were like no dude He just wanted to get out of there and didn't want to take away from worries moment I was like this might be the fuck you tour from Scotty looks like it might be on He looks pretty good looks like it might be on so He looks pretty good. Looks like it might be on. Golden Slam would be pretty cool.

Yeah. I've watched every major championship for the last, I'm gonna say, 15 years. I'd forgotten that Scotty had only won two. Yeah. It felt like he had won four, right? Because he wins everything else. I know, he wins every other thing,

and he's won two Masters, and he's so dominant when he wins that you're just like, this guy's clearly the best golfer in the sport. I had completely forgotten that and he's won two Masters and he's so dominant when he wins that you're just like this guy's clearly the best golfer in the sport I had completely forgotten that he had only won two I knew he had the two Masters I thought maybe I don't know maybe he had sprinkled in a PJ or US Open at some point but yeah this if there's one knock against Scottie Scheffler How is he so good? He's only won three. Well, here's the thing the other part with Scotty is he looks like he's 40 years old. He's 28. Yeah, that's what fucks everyone up. And we're just like, you see, he has looked like he's a 40 year old man. And I don't say that in disrespectful way. He just has like,

he's kind of got like an air to him where it's like he's, he's 12 years younger than us and I would call him sir. What really fucks me up 2022. Yeah, right. He's only yet. Yeah 22 major starts. He's won three of them. So he's so he's only what's his age again? He's 28. He's gonna be 29 in a month. Okay, and John Rahm is how old John Rahm is also a sneaky John Rahm I think he's 30 probably like 31 John Rahm is 30. Yeah, so John Rahm is younger than Hank Yeah, and Scotty is younger than Max. Mm-hmm. That's crazy. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, Scotty...

The young guns. Scotty has looked... Yeah. He's just... He's just... He's had a man look about him. I don't know what it is. I think it's the beard.

It's the size. It's the size. John Rom's same thing. Yeah, but John Rom's got one of those faces that he could pass as like 45, I think. They just got size to him. They got heft. Density. Scotty's also just too mature for his age. Yeah that too

Do you think we're gonna get a period where Scott he just goes absolutely wild? No, you don't think so. I would say no I think we're gonna get a period where Scotty like or that even in it would be like two two bottles of wine Two bottles one, I guess Listen, we like Scotty front of the program occurring. Yes. I guess you can't ever say no Because if you had the same conversation about Tiger Woods in like 2006 people like no way. I don't know That's the truth. That was that was I Marion supermodel I think Scotty is is is a pretty safe bet that he I feel like Scotty has like

Five best friends that he gets fucked up with and they're, they're, those best friends don't even tell anyone that they're best friends with Scotty Sheffler. Like that's how, how good of like an inner circle he has. Yeah. If I was a sponsor, I would be just looking at sky chef, like take all my money. But you know what I'm saying? Like tiger did kind of ruin the whole everybody's good. Everyone, no matter what you're good to to say that nothing will ever you know be bad well i mean if we had had this exact same conversation big cat a year and a week ago and we were to say scotty shuffler lifetime odds to ever be arrested true plus 500 000 we would say yeah don't take that back. Yeah, this was his revenge. Yeah, it was yeah, Nike put out an ad

Best golfer in the world question mark guilty pretty good at pretty good at Alright, so that was PGA. Do you want to talk about this game seven just ended? Oh, Florida, Florida, Toronto? Yeah, yeah bad game seven. You want to hockey? Well, this game just ended. I would do hockey. Let's do hockey, okay? Yeah, Hank just betting on that volcano and Yellowstone to erupt Clock Hockey leafs turns out it wasn't their year not their year Panthers look great in the first period leaves were okay But once they once that ref got his face caved in by a stick,

everything just tilted towards the Panthers. And the thing about the Leafs is if you get two quick goals on them, they just crumble. They turn into the biggest pile of snot that you could see. I feel like though even in the first period, the Leafs were kind of holding on. Whereas you saw the shots in the zone, the Panthers felt like it was not an if just when and I the Panthers are a better team than Leafs and they are they just won a cup they played perfect hockey tonight this was about a part as perfect of a game seven as you can play doesn't help like Leafs fans dealing with this loss but I don't think you

can well this wasn't one of those Leafs choked ha ha Leafs choked seasons They played a better team and went to seven games and lost. Yeah Marshawn turns out was a great pickup by the Panthers Yeah, and then we also had the Stars what team let him go The birds traded him. Okay We also had the owns Toronto the Stars Awesome stars are very good. They finished that in six against the Jets overtime winner which Overtime winner to finish a series at home

What a what a moment that has to feel pretty incredible pretty good The barn was rocking pretty tough loss to bounce back from with a handshake line. Yeah, but you got to do it Yeah, gotta do it gotta always do it And now I'm outside of carolina carolina no offense to the carolina hurricanes, but after watching them play against your caps I don't like watching them play hockey. Yep. That's fair. I'm very excited for stars orlers That's gonna be awesome, and I'm excited that biz is gonna get his life back And maybe we'll like did you see so we're gonna have biz on Wednesday show to talk about the conference finals

Credit the TNT because they just let biz do whatever he wanted. He was before the game tonight He had a like candlelight vigil for the maple leaves and he was lighting the leaves Each candle being like got to get Marner going light the candle he was lighting the Leafs each candle being like, gotta get Marner going, light the candle. If that was your first time tuning into hockey, you're like, this guy has lost his complete mind. Yeah, listen. But it was great TV. He's like a fan, except he's only really been a fan

of the team for a couple seasons. But he's gotten like off the deep end for him. I do think that the Leafs discussion is gonna be interesting this off season, cause they cannot come back with that same team It's not it's not So good. They are Bob Bob was yeah, I was locked in locked in I thought for a second old he might have saved the Leafs going down to Florida for

Game six that was bullshit that they kicked oldie out. Did they actually kick him out? Cuz he shook hands with the police officer That's because he is the best at neutralizing any situation of anybody that I've ever met in my entire life. The cop went down there. He's like, Hey, yeah, we've heard some complaints that there was a guy demonstrating side pouch up against the glass. We're going to have to kick you out, sir.

And then by the time they got to the top of the steps, the cop was probably like, Hey, you want to come to my kid's birthday? Yeah. You seem like a fun guy. I think he just got moved. I think his sections got moved. I don't think he actually got kicked out because he is that good yeah he can neutralize anyone what else Hank Oh Preakness I was incredible I think the the Mark

Shifely Shifely story of the Jets that was a some things are bigger than sports big time he's dad unexpectedly passed away before the game he scores a play scored a goal you know handshake line after the game was waterworks city that was that was one of the I mean best like two tears in your eyes handshake lines yeah I've seen in a while yeah I mean that's unreal that he was able to do that yeah to play in that game it's crazy bigger than sports a lot of things are bigger than the sports. Yeah. Prospective. Did you watch the preakness? I did watch the preakness journalism. Maybe the coolest stretch run there ever. He got fucking bought. He got form tackle horse. The guy that the caddy cheater, not the caddy caddy. Yeah, you got

it. The caddy. The jockey. Yeah. Yeah. Was that just haters? No, there was, there's some bumping and grinding. It's, it's how we, it's old school horse racing. They were elbowing each other. It's 1990s horse racing. Yeah. But journalism, like it was so cool to watch the last, I don't know, a hundred yards where he, it looked like he had nitrous in his ass. Yeah, he was going in a different speed than every other horse on the track. Yeah, the jockey was saying afterwards like yeah, I've run this type of race with him before he has that ability to do it. And it was, I'm glad that he won. Look at me. Yeah, he's that's some old school shit right there.

That's some bumping and grind. That's some full contact horse racing right there going up to the 18th fairway. Yeah, it was fun. That was a fun race. I enjoyed it. Yeah Are you happy for journalism? Yeah, I love journalism journalism in Journalism is you love all fit. Mm-hmm. Yeah You guys see that foul on Angel Reese. Let's say that let's say that let's save that. Yeah, why don't Should we should we talk about Friday night boat? The boat um, boat. Yeah, that was crazy. That was Saturday night the Mexican boat that ran into the Brooklyn Bridge, I think a couple people might have died that was pretty sad

But Hank brought it up not me. Yeah, you said it was awesome, right? Yeah, you said it was awesome I was wild a couple people died. Yeah a couple people died. It was awesome. It was not awesome. It was a Mexican Navy training ship. It's an insane video. There's a lot of stuff going on with ships running under bridges these days. Insane video. What do you think about that, Hank?

I know, I know. The first person I thought about this is sad. The point that Hank's broken my brain, but the first person I thought about when I saw this video was Hank and what kind of dots he's connecting to try to pull this all together. Yeah. So what's your theory? When I saw this video was Hank and what kind of dots he's connecting to sort of pull this all together. Yeah So what's your theory? I? Don't know they're saying they they lost power and just floated into the bridge. Yeah. Yeah scary stuff Speaking of bridges Mikhail bridges plays for the Knicks

He does and that was Friday night, and that's where the video is from that was Friday night Should we talk about that game you guys see the Joe Joe Biden Let's see how many things you can get empty the clip go ahead. Yeah, Joe Biden has cancer Hope he hope he's okay over president. Yeah, yeah prostate stage four. Mm-hmm What else you got Paul skein struck out Bryce Harper. Yeah, okay. Okay. That's crazy MLB debut six hitting scoreless nine case. Yeah, that's cool. Yeah, I was actually That was way to get me going. Yeah anything else What else you got? You want to do WNBA? Yeah, I mean that was that was a wild wild opening night

Yeah, mm-hmm. Like at wild, wild opening night. Yeah. At first, I was kind of like, why are they, there should be basketball on tonight, but they delayed it for the WNBA, and it makes sense why they did it. It was action everywhere. I think I'm addicted to WNBA discourse because that was the first game of the season,

and I've never seen racism thrown on both sides so quickly. First game of the season, everyone was just calling each other racist. It was fucking awesome. Yeah. So racism everywhere. When it comes to Caitlin Clark and Angel Reese, there's a lot of people that don't care about the WNBA who have thoughts about the WNBA. Correct. And there's also a lot of people that care very deeply about the WNBA that don't want all the discourse from their fan base growing to a point where it becomes, where it reaches critical mass in America, where you get assholes rooting for your sport. But here's the dirty secret is if you want to be a successful league, you have to reach that point where the world's biggest shitheads have very strong

opinions about all your athletes. It's like a little catch 22. And it's fun to see a league deal with those growing pains because obviously people are talking more about the WNBA in the last two years than they have in a very long time. And it's not to say that they didn't have fans, their fans were just, it was a smaller group and now it made that leap all of a sudden to becoming a national talking point on not just sports media, but just mainstream media in general.

It's not yet. It's just race racism. And now every game is a race war. And now think about all the shitheads out there that pay attention to any sort of like news pro. Like if you deal with a national news program, you're reaching millions of people, a lot of whom are very dumb. Yeah. And now they're going to have strong takes on your sport. How do you deal with the idiots now becoming fans of your sport? The, uh, the following question was a regular foul. I thought that was a pretty right. It was hard. She put some stank on it. The only,

the only criticism of Caitlin Clark fouling there was that Angel Reese misses a lot of layups. She just let her shoot. She probably would have missed it. And that's my biggest takeaway from the Angel Reese first versus Caitlin Clark rivalry. If you want to call it that, I actually feel bad for Angel Reese at this point. And it has nothing to do with like how she's handled herself or anything. It's just simply Caitlin Clark is so much better than Angel Reese at basketball that it's not, it doesn't feel fair. Yeah. I think, I think Angel Reese is struggling with the fact that Caitlin Clark is, is better at her best thing than she is. She's better at everything. She had a triple double. She's tied for the third most triple

doubles in, in WNBA history and she's played 50 games. Yeah. She's just better. And they don't like each other, which is again, I think good for the sport great for this that they don't like each other But then how do you deal with having a bunch of weirdos out there that now care very deeply about your sport? Yes without trying to actively push them away, which is also a mistake right to push away the the attention that your sports getting Do you agree that like I in a weird way? I feel bad for injuries in the fact that she she wants a rivalry and she has history with Caitlin Clark but it's no it's nowhere near equal footing in terms of play and it's like almost an awkward fit like Caitlin Clark needs a

different rival because this one is just not fair. Yeah well the thing that she does and I think this actually contributes to why she's really not having a good time with all the Caitlin Clark publicity is the thing that she does have and I think this actually contributes to why she's really not having a good time with all The Caitlin Clark publicity is the fact that they did beat Caitlin Clark in the championship in college, correct? So she's got that in the back of her head now. She's struggling to realize that oh shit. She's way better than me. Yeah Yeah, and that's triple double and she's an opening night and she's not gonna be able to get over that and racism by everyone racism by we had the LeBron is There was LeBron

Congratulating Caitlin Reese and people being like the bronze or Caitlin Clark Caitlin Reese. Thank you Hank. You're you're really sharp You're welcome LeBron Congratulating Caitlin Clark and everyone's like LeBron to sell out and then our guy white boy Rick saying angel Reese can't is dribbling at her chin and then saying he's racist and I was like, I love all this. Everyone's racist on both sides. I do love Angel Reese getting all those rebounds off her own missed layups though. Yeah. It's fun to watch her miss like four in a row and get four rebounds in a row. Yeah, that's good basketball to

me. I just I can't remember last story where we've had the equal claims of racism on both sides and it's like, guys, it's we're talking on both sides. And it's like, guys, we're talking about basketball. Yeah, it's like, what are we even doing here? But people have just gone nuclear. And it's just so toxic that I'm addicted to it. It's like Angel Reese's Caitlin Clark's Achilles heel. Yeah. Yeah. That was mean. Is it not? Yeah, no, it is. I think it's mean. I think it's valid. But it was mean. You want to talk about Paul Skeens again? No, I mean a little more like, a little more, you know, not as national sports podcast, but you know, local to us, Chicago, Cubs, swept the White Sox this weekend.

PCA's the man. They're hot, Cubs are hot, everyone's talking about it. It's all the city's a buzz. Cubs fever. That's the game's talking about it. It's all it's all the city's a buzz. Yeah Cubs fever. Mm-hmm That's the game on Saturday. I love PCA. I'd die for PCA Did he call this subway series here? No, he would they call it just it's just White's Oxford's Cubs. Oh, it's a boy. I mean it is By subway, but it's that I feel like subway series in New York

And it's I feel like subway series in New York And it's L They actually had a subway series this weekend, too. That's right. Yeah people are mad Oh, yeah, you got that people are mad at one soda both sides are mad at one. Yeah Yeah, I'm classic. They tried to do if they tried to do a trophy I don't think they have it anymore the Crosstown classic trophy It was so sad a hot dog when both teams were not good. And it was like, they literally had a trophy and it was just like, what, what is this? It should be the bean. The bean should be their trophy. Take a picture. The cross out cop was so sad. But yeah, Yankees fans are pissed at Soto cause he left and they boot them. I actually

liked it. I still do the response to it where he just tipped his hat to all the booing fans in right field. Yeah. You're just like, yeah, bring it on, bring it on. And then now Mets fans are mad cause he didn't run out of the batter's box. Yeah. And Yankees fans doing the, we're turning our back to them. That was kind of weird. He doesn't care. Yeah. Also, he doesn't really do any, he doesn't really owe you anything. No. Like why would, why would, why is one so to the bad guy in this situation? Yeah. By the way, Max, he's looking out Crosstown cup, a cup. The best part about the Crosstown Cup is the tiebreaker would be who won it last year So there were there was a year where there was no winner. It was like 3-3

But it was because the team had won it last year. They get to keep the cup Fucking so stupid. I love that so stupid All right, Hank what you gotta I mean what else you got it's I think it's time I got it's time We have a video pulled up of everything that Hank If we want to start we have I want to start with giving the Knicks their flowers same I think we need to give the Knicks their flowers because I think that's appropriate because the Knicks are We need to give the Knicks their flowers because I think that's appropriate because the Knicks are Shout out Knicks fans They have gone through a lot of shit. They've seen some really bad basketball for a lot of years

I think there was a lot of weird gatekeeping going on on Friday night Because Knicks fans were going crazy in the streets and like guys on billboards. I This podcast is very much in favor of enjoying the ride. If you're a fan, you can't, you can't be like, Oh, jobs, not finished jobs, not finished for the players. The players will say jobs, not finished. Jalen Brunson actually said that they had a team meeting after game five, after they lost in Boston being like, that was piss poor effort jobs, not finished. They didn't really celebrate. They say, if you watch watch they celebrate a game for victory

A lot and then they on game six They didn't really celebrate that much after on the court the fans should celebrate Yeah, fans should enjoy every moment of this and soak it in and have the best time ever Especially like basketball and hockey when the weather turns. There's no better celebration Yeah, shut down Seventh Avenue climb up the foul pole. It rocked! High five Timothy Chalamet is hanging out the side of a limousine. Yep. Do all that stuff you should absolutely celebrate it. You got to the Eastern Conference Finals which is obviously difficult to do. First conference finals in 25 years. First yeah in 25 years and you've got a very fun

team to root for a tough team, a mentally physically tough team. I would say the the toughest in the fact that you had, there was two moments in on Friday night where I was like this. I mean the game was over pretty quickly, but Mitchell Robinson basically playing defense on the entire Celtics team on that one possession where he was just hustling his ass off. And then Josh Hart having a triple double and like diving for offensive rebounds when they're up 40. This next team has grit. They have guts. They have like they've done a good job with their roster making the moves they made. And yeah, they're in and Jalen Brunson. And I'm sure Nick's fans I would I would love for you to chime

in and tell me if I'm close or where I'm at. What do you got memes? What are you pulling up? Langston Galloway, Alexey Shved, Andre Bargnani, Lou Amundsen, and Lance Thomas. Nix fans have been through shit. This franchise has been a joke for a long time and New York cares about basketball, so them celebrating the way they did, I'll actually say, you know what, my only critique of New York on Friday night, you didn't go hard enough.

I think you should have gone crazier. I think today that you are well-deserved to celebrate this. Absolutely. Your next fan and the team is fun to root for. They're so fun. In fact, that I find myself rooting for the New York Knicks, which is crazy when you think that New York fans, they're also Rangers fans. They're also Yankees and Mets fans. It's insane, but this is a likable team. Yeah. And, and New York, somehow New York has become the underdog. Well, we like living in New York, you know that like the Knicks and it

happens when there's one, when there's split teams everywhere in a city, uh, like New York where there's Mets and Yankees fans and Jets and Giants fans But New York is the one team that everyone gets behind You know what I mean? Like so they the the the city does feel different when the Knicks are doing well we didn't even get to see it we saw a couple like runs, but Knicks fans do not apologize for anything go as crazy as you want to go fucking talk any shit you want to talk this is the whole point of anything, go as crazy as you want to go, fucking talk any shit you want to talk. This is the whole point of playoffs and watching sports and watching, you know, Langston Galloway,

you know, six years ago, seven years ago. This is the whole point is that you get these moments and you should embrace it and enjoy it as much as you possibly can. Two years ago, you were your main focus was Charles Oakley getting kicked out of MSG for trying to fight your owner. Now you're in the Eastern Conference finals. I appreciate also that New York did not give a shit when the Nets were good. They're like, we don't care. But the Knicks, now that's the stuff. No, I remember I walked out of, I went to the game seven, the Kevin Durant foot on the line game bucks nets and

Walking out of that game. There was like a crossing guard who was a Knicks fan. He was just talking all this shit to the Nets fans He's like you guys fucking suck and everyone's like dude the Knicks suck. He's like, I don't care At least we're not the net. Yeah, I have a question though, and I'm sure memes you could chime in But I want to hear from Knicks fans as well. I think Jalen Brunson is already a top five Nick. I think it's not I think it's the the the list now is Patrick Ewing, Willis Reed and Clyde Frazier and like then then it's and then it's like yeah Earl of Pearl and then like Mellow is somewhere in there obviously Lin Sanity has a special place in Nick's fans hearts, but I think he's a top five Nick He might be top four he might be he the New York Knicks in the last 20 years before Brunson got there They won eight playoff games in the three seasons. He's been a Nick

They've won 21 playoff games, and he's like he's also I think it's just like the undersized guard kind of thing that everyone can get behind. Second round pick second round pick Dallas like being like now we're good which is still crazy went to a small school small school not known for basketball. That that part's wrong but you can continue. Yeah no I think he's I think he's a top five Nick of all time in the three years that part's wrong, but you can continue. Yeah. No, I think he's I think he's a top five Nick of all time in the three years that he's been there and it's he's he's awesome and he's a heartbeat of that team and

Yeah, they're fun to root for and Tibs is like, you know He's Tibs. He's gonna he had those guys in there with 40 minutes with with 10 minutes left So so like I said the Knicks being scrappy underdogs It's an interesting position for New York fans to be in and big cat Do they lose that going up against the Pacers because they were going up against the defending champion So it was you know It was easy to root for the Knicks against the Boston Celtics for a lot of people out there They didn't have a dog in the fight going up against the Pacers you think they lose that or do you think they just lean?

Heavily heavily into the past of like Reggie Miller versus the Knicks and they just stir up those old emotions. Well, it is on TNT. So Reggie Miller will be calling the game. So we'll get a lot of that. It won't be the Stephen A. Smith show. So I think, I love this. I love the Easter Conference. There's like, this is going to be bad blood city because these teams have Legitimate real history they played I think it was like six times in eight years in the 90s you had the John Stark's headbutt of Reggie Miller which was more of a Reggie Miller flop you had the Reggie Miller eight points in nine seconds You had the Larry Johnson four-point play like you had Reggie Miller doing the choke to spike Lee There's history between these two teams. So I'm excited. I think it's going to be toxic.

I think it's going to be like, people don't like the Pacers. People don't like the Knicks. There's going to be moments that everyone's going to be mad at each other. It's going to be awesome. I think that the Knicks are fun to root for, but then you see one or two examples of them celebrating this win that makes you think I could see myself being being motivated to hate this fan base I'm gonna take it on a game by game I could I like rooting for the next right now but I can see a world in which I

completely flip on them and exhibit a might be your very own Knicks fan here memes memes yeah memes were and you should celebrate memes you should celebrate memes you went on you went on a war page. Memes. War path after this thing. I wrote down what you did on Friday night. Um. It was crazy, man.

You went, for people to follow us on social, pardon my take. First, for a little bit of back behind the scenes context, I texted, the group texted, like, congrats memes, and I think he just said, stay offline for the next 24 hours. Yeah, he warned you and then he went to do Hank is Bonnie blue twice. Bonnie blue and Lily Philip and Lily Phelps. They were calling him bongy blue. Bongy blue. That's great. He did. He hit he hit Max with a stray. He had the graphic ready for cat being in

the Eastern Conference for one year and already being in the Eastern Conference finals. Uh, on his personal account, he had, I don't know if you saw this one, PFD, he had the tropic thunder, Ben Stiller holding Hanks decapitated head. Yep. Uh, did you see that one? I did. I did. That one was good. But then meme. So we, we alluded to this when we were having dinner tonight and we're like, we're going to have to discuss it. This one is crazy. This is just gruesome. Yeah, it's good. It's good stuff. It's crazy. You just, you have some deep seated shit against Hank. I mean, you could tell that this was, this was something that memes put a lot of effort into because I don't think, I don't think you did a max Photoshop. You know, you

didn't put max's face on anybody. That's a great point. You weren't even, he may I off the prize. Yeah. Memes. If, if the Knicks lose in the Eastern Conference finals, you have to do the Statue of Liberty with Max's face. Oh, deal. All right. So, and then I want to get to the video, but I have to, I have to question one thing memes. Yes. Because you were just taking shots, shots, shots. The banner 19 one will made no sense. What do you mean? The banner 19, the Celtics four and O in the regular season versus the Knicks. What Celtics fan ever said like, like was like, Hey, we're four and O against the Knicks. Hank.

He did. Yeah. But he raised the banner 19. There were a lot of, a lot of fans of the thunder of the Celtics bringing up regular season record. Okay. The next play and the Cavs too. It was like those three teams beat the shit out of the Knicks in the regular. Okay. So I, I understand that that was the only one that I was like, wait, what? But I guess you had context there because you, you take meticulous notes and you're always ready for this. So do you want to play the clip? Uh, that you, you were in your bag. You're always ready for this. So do you want to play the clip that you you were in your bag? You did a compilation for Hank Tank. Did you watch this?

I think I got like 10 seconds through. Oh, okay. So now you're going to have to watch it like clockwork orange. We don't have to watch the whole thing. Let's watch the whole thing. That was nice. Max trying to save Hank, but it was reported that cat is going. Nice try max trying to save Hank, but it was reported that cat is gonna Okay on Friday. It was reported that cat is gonna be traded to the Knicks Hank. How do you feel about this trade? I don't think it affects much. I think New York's gonna eat cat alive Big cats point Solid team great and bead will probably take his knees out as well.

And I'm not worried about them in the playoffs. Big man! Big man! Let's just fast forward to the finals. We all... It's self-destructed. That was satire. That was PFT. That was PFT. Not worried about the Knicks. Not worried about the Knicks.

Even if we lose, I'll say it right now. If somehow we lose game one, we could lose two games. And I wouldn't be worried If you go down to 02, 02 not worried Celtics aren't afraid anyone. Totally healthy Celtics beat anyone That's still could be true. You were down 3-1. That could still be possible. You were losing. The national media That's still down three black and still your lose national media this week this past week saying that the Knicks We're actually gonna be you know a good test for the Celtics. They might be coming for the title

They played so they put on Sunday in the Celtics waxed What do you think about the Knicks? They're not going to go anywhere. Bing bong. Oh, I was wrong. It does feel like they're still away from the Celtics in the Cavs. Bing bong! Bing bong! Right?

Far away. Yeah. Bing bong. Mm. Does that do anything for you? Yeah. Not clutch at all. Oh.

Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. And Hank, when you say that you have the Knicks, Yeah, not clutch at all Hank when you say that stop you have the next you have no mix or do the next get you Because after the game the Knicks fans they were outside MSG and you know what they were chanting

What we want Boston? We want Boston We want Boston. Yeah, they don't have a choice. Yeah, but sure. So they got you. I think we have an amazing perimeter defense. I think we're gonna lock them up and make other players beat us. The Knicks don't have those players.

Bing bong! Who's got the better jailing? Celtics. Bing bong, bing bong, bing bong, bing bong. I feel good. I'm happy. I said I wouldn't be worried if they went down 0-2. They came out came out they Showed what they needed to do. I feel like that's gonna be they're gonna win this series in six

Oh, so that's it. It's it for the Knicks. Yeah Listen I didn't think the Knicks were gonna be in the Easter Conference final, but Hank You never let's talk about this Yeah, you're saying you never led this series and you also called this series over twice. I did. I got a little bit ahead of myself. When I said that I wouldn't be worried if they were down 0-2, I didn't think there was

a prayer, like a chance in hell that they would lose one game, let alone two in a row. So that didn't look great. And then, yeah, I mean, obviously before the injury, I felt I felt good about our team coming back. Yeah, they probably still would have lost game four, even if Tatum was fully healthy. So that was wrong too. I give credit to the next like they, Jalen Brunson that take the most incorrect take in that clip is me saying not clutch at all. He is unbelievable. He took over multiple games fun to watch also knows how to dribble this left a little bit always a lefty well but still a little bit

of you know got to work on some flopping but that's NBA that's an NBA around across across the board like players flop a little bit too much but he's he's a really good player. Mikhail Bridges again give him credit. He hit single mid-range shot like he was everywhere hit shots when he needed to And the Knicks beat us I think the the the talking heads in the national media saying the Celtics might be better without Jason Tatum clearly, you know got shown to be complete idiots and fools one and one without one and one That's a good point one and two in the playoffs In this series one and one but one into the playoffs

What what about um? When we started the playoffs you said over under two and a half losses before the finals you said take the under You ended up having Was that in one series or was that the five? Five losses so you had yeah, well I did say I said I said if the I said so they're fully healthy They're not gonna lose championship that obviously, you know, we lost one of the best players in the league in the world So it's tough to come back from that

We did our best. We'll always have game five. That was fun But now the offseason's here. It's it's sad. It's end of an era. A lot of people being really mean online. I'm not, I don't let that get to me though. I don't, I don't, you know, everyone has to deal with it. Uh, but people were nasty means especially Jerry O'Connell, especially that's fine. You know, you got to, you know, heavy is the head that wears the crown. Yeah. No longer. Unfortunately. Well, no you still do yeah There's not a new champion. You have the crown. No Let's talk more about the offseason the crown is dead like the the king is it's the way we're we're in was it conclave or

Conclave territory you think can I ask you this question? Yeah Are the Knicks a better team than the Celtics? The Knicks were the better team than the Celtics there and they are a better team than the Celtics Yeah The Knicks were the better team than the Celtics. They are a better team than the Celtics. Yeah, I mean, you can't, I can't, I'm not going to argue that. Because I was wrong too. I thought the Knicks, I did not think the Knicks would be in the Eastern Conference Finals.

They have great. I don't want to say the S word again because they got taken as an insult. Say they're scrappy. Like yeah, it's a team to get to the Eastern Conference Final. I was so cute how you guys beat the shit out of. Yeah. Yeah. Good for you. What happened Friday night? Let's talk Friday night because because it somehow this series not having a single show night was crazy.

We had Monday, Wednesday, Friday. I was unfortunate. That was really unfortunate. I mean, the game, they just they they came out so flat so so flat I think there was just a lot of pressure and Shots weren't going in and the Knicks just took like just dominated second quarter It was over like the way they closed the first half They're not 27 at halftime. It was it was over. It was never even like I think the first quarter was was somewhat close we stayed in it but

After that second quarter run it it it never felt like we had a chance of coming back Yeah, I still blight bet them like five times, but oh shit. I think that this was great for the Boston New York rivalry I Guess yeah, cuz it's a rivalry now. Yeah Yeah, the back the Knicks of have I've woken up Yeah, what do you think about cat cat was wearing a fuck Boston shirt today? He was I'm that's I respect I respect that I respect that shirt. It was a clip of cat after to mm-hmm Talking like he's from New York. Well. He's from New Jersey. Yeah, but yeah, he he might have changed his The tone of his voice change a little yeah, no it's good for the rivalry. It's good for the rivalry. You know, it

gives the guy some fire in the off season. If the next, you know, going to win the championship, it'll give him even more fire. It's good for the rivalry. Uh, and you know, we gotta just get better in the off season and then try and get back next year. So about that, because I'm kind of glad in this way that we didn't have a show on game night Now you've had some time to process it and you've really thought about How bad things could look next year for you personally? So where do you see this team? Season Max just nodded and went like this good point Max how good was that point?

Yeah, yeah, yes Yeah, yeah because I We it needs to be talked because there's a lot listen credit to the old owners of the Celtics because they did what I think Most of us would have done which is let's just give out some fucking contracts before we sell the team We're not gonna have to pay him and then somebody buys a team and now you're talking luxury tax You're talking all these superstars all these great players new owner is a Boston guy So maybe he kind of just does the same thing where he's like fuck it. Let's just do whatever it takes to win I Thankfully unlike you know the Sixers organization being a dysfunctional shit show the Celtics are a great top-down

Organization I do trust Brad Stevens. I do feel like They're gonna go for a route where they, you know, start stockpiling, like trading, trading away players, going young. So you're in a rebuild getting picks. I think I don't know. It's, it's crazy. Are you ready to announce the rebuild? It's crazy to say rebuilds on needs to figure out how we can keep Jalen Brown and Jason Tatum and still have good enough players Around them to compete I have from what I've seen again not a math guy not a luxury tax guy not a contracts guy It's just not tax guy. It doesn't not a tax guy at all. It doesn't look I Can't wrap my head around it yet

If someone can explain to me how we're able to do that and like not just have all of our Money with two players and then kind of get stuck with shit guys around them I would you know be open to that information Max has a question talking about these two players are both of those players playing next year They're gonna roster. Yeah, I don't know that's what that's different. That's two. That's good question That's also a bad question because they still they have them on the roster for next year, but Okay, that's fair. Yeah, when one's not gonna play cuz he's hurt, but he's still right right yeah, no, but I'm saying like You don't know how to win when I if the players not playing

What do you think about the allegations that the Sixers are in a worse spot than the Celtics are? You're asking me that question? Yeah, yeah, well, Hank asked it. Hank asked it, and so I'm relaying Hank's question to you. Hank said they're not the Sixers. Tatum is gonna be out for it. Well, it's an Achilles injury, so we have an idea. But they say, you know, he got the surgery really quick,

that's a good sign. So what do you think? I don't know. Those two days could be a huge difference. I'm gonna, cause they would make no sense to come back at the end of the season. Correct. I think Dr. Bing Bong ruled him out for all next year.

He also has some thoughts on Kristops, but it's not for air. One sec, would love to be a part of one of those inside joke text messages one day. Well no, I just said it's not for air. He's got swine flu. Yeah, got attacked by a bear. inside joke text messages one day. Well no, I just said it's not for air. He's got swine flu. Yeah. Got attacked by a bear.

We'll see, I trust Brad Stevens with my life, but I'm leaning towards... Rebuild. Ish. Wow. That's crazy. You just hit the rebuild button. Ish, probably.

Memes, make a graphic, he hit the rebuild button the rebuild button means how happy are you right now? How awesome was Friday for you? Friday was one of the greatest sports moments I've had in a while. Well, Mets last year and then this Yeah. And you just were locked in. I was dialed. I said to our production group chat. I was just like, there's a 10% chance I get fired. Me means how long did it take for you? Like when did you start compiling the list of shit that you're gonna put out the instant that the Celtics lose

It was after the Knicks went up three one. Okay, I texted pug and Jack. I said go back to October 2nd October 2nd Biling that's pretty reasonable and to be fair to hang there's a good clip to take good work Hank side just a little bit when Hank said that he would not be worried if they went down over to He never actually thought that there would be down on to yeah No, so it was really easy for him to say that in the moment as someone who's been on the other side of one of those memes joints They hurt but it's also like a hat tip like you

did your job man. I also respect like as much as I want to chirp and I do still want to chirp I respect the fact that like memes does its best work strictly fueled by hate. Oh yeah. Like that's not like if it wasn't the Knicks or wasn't me no one's doing that much work to go back and make that. No no no if the Knicks beat the Pacers to go to the NBA finals It's not gonna be it's gonna be like yay

The two Bonnie blues was a bit much Second Bonnie blue hit the tower I was like oh my god Lily Philips. I saw the second Bonnie Blue hit the tower. I was like, Oh my God. I think we could have used all of the Bonnie. Do you have a Bonnie Blue that you you kept in the chamber? No, it was just it was just the two Bonnie Blues. What's is there any that you kept in the chamber that you would like to release right now? Because then people can see it and then hear this point in the podcast. No, no. The two Bonnie Blues, I felt was the line.

Yeah. But you don't have anything saved? No, anything that you were like thinking about because you didn't even put this one on the main the Ben Stiller Hank decapitated head. Yeah, I felt that that was too graphic for Hank, you look hot as pop. I think it looks hotter as a little Phillips Hank. Alright right spin zone time Summers kind of opened up It doesn't matter but summers kind of opened up you don't have to go right night

I don't have to do the duck boats don't have to make any trips to the wood keep your hair extra golf No, I was looking forward to the skull it I've been I've been planning out the skull it with my golf. No, I was looking forward to the skull it. I've been I've been planning out the skull it with I might because because that's maybe a little bit too cocky, but we've been I've you know for the last three months I'm like Let's keep the back long. I got to get a skull it give it to us doesn't matter You know a little bit of you know you got less travel more golf Did you play a sad round of golf on Saturday? I played no no I did not

Did you play a sad round of golf on Saturday? I played no, no, I did not. I really fact what did you do Saturday? I just went out. My cousin was in town. Nice. At the bars. What did you do on Friday? Friday golf.

But Friday night? Friday night I just sat on my couch sad. I feel like I've all the losses I've just been on that couch. It's been a sad sad couple weeks for my couch Yeah, to regret not going to the New York office and streaming there No, I would have if that's what I was asked to do, but you know I knew Clemmer had that Tim Tim was on the woods so yeah also me or maybe maybe the biggest piece of shit move memes it was Dave like I said Dave threw me under the bus saying that the child mayet being like this guy called you performative and I said in real time like

I don't think I said that I don't remember saying that then I texted the group tax was like memes I say this and he just responded yes I said that I was like yeah my bad I did say that I don't remember it I said it on the show I don't remember saying that and then after I was like can I see that clip by the way because I really don't remember he's like oh no you didn't say it that That was fucked up. So shallow made the shallow made rivalry. He just dominated you. Yeah. Yeah. So guys got it all. He's got it. I'll give a hand up. Shallow made. You got me this time. I bet you, I bet you doesn't have a sad couch. No, no, probably got an awesome couch. Yeah. It's probably awesome. Yeah. So at least you got that over. Yeah, no it went from you know

Me and Dave to Bad Bunny and like the best night ever in New York. Like the clip of him in the limo is awesome. Yeah, he's the man. Yeah. Yeah. I love that he actually cares about his teams. Yeah, you can tell that he really does. Brought up Chris Duhon, that's what I knew. He's the man. Yeah, there's the old picture of him rushing to Grand Central to get free pictures or free tickets from Who is that? Maris, Dona Myer? No, it's like Landry Fields. Yeah, it's great So, uh, all right reset button rebuild button

That's it Yeah, just hopefully our new owners like daddy warbucks like part 2 Billy strings do you regret calling this series over twice that you were never leading yeah yeah I do the two one was probably I got a little ahead of myself yeah and then I was I I will say like I was fully you know I was in full denial and just really just trying to procrastinate things after the the wood game game five that was I was probably over over extending my so you didn't want game six to happen you didn't want to get to I was yeah I was just so happy with with how things went yeah in five and I want to get to I was yeah, I was just so happy with with how things went Yeah, and five and I want to just bottle up that feeling forever. Yeah, what would you do this offseason? I think if you own the team golf if I own the team I

Would just go spend a lot of money. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, a lot of all blow it all a lot of golf a lot of golf That's the thing golf a lot of golf that's the thing like oh so there's no something I'm playing a lot of call yeah no I know but I get like it's like all the Celtics here seasons over but no I can play more golf like there was going to play the same amount of golf well just not go to

the games right you were gonna have to you were gonna have to go sit courtside an NBA playoff game which would have been brutal yeah you're gonna have to go on the duck boat and get drunk with Joe Missoula you're gonna have to do a lot of stuff now. You don't have to do it Have you looked up golf courses in Indiana because you're like you're playing the Pacers. Let's see if there's something close by No, no, I did not do that. You could have gone to games there. Yeah, it would've been cool. Oh man

Cool. I'm excited for Pacers next. I'm excited for how much golf Hanks gonna get to play. Yeah, that's how are you? You're max is mad. Max was mad that it was a Friday night game. Yeah, no, it's next. I'm excited for how much golf Hank's going to get to play. Yeah. That's Max. How are you? Your Max is mad. Max was mad that it was a Friday night game. Yeah, no, it's bullshit. I've, this isn't the same reaction that we would have gotten on Friday. Nope. Friday night. We would have got, it would have been so embarrassing. You would have been so upset. It's bullshit. You had two days to like not even think about it that sucks But I am happy that you're fucked and the Celtics are fucked going forward and but were you that's the thing? We're gonna be back sooner than the Sixers. Oh Let's start another clip

Everything that you say is wrong The booth has the booth they have your number right now. I fucking this is the booths revenge Yeah, like you keep calling me a loser. I literally just won a Super Bowl Dude it's been a while since Hakes been right about anything. Oh This is brutal the boot Hank has never been in this position where the booth has owned his ass No, yeah, it sucks. It did it fucking sucks They're laughing. They're having the time of their life. This is why you lift all those weights boys. This is why you stay up till

four or five in the morning editing the podcast for this moment. This is probably the last time like Boston was like good. Actually, that's not true. Something just won. That Max went too long. I have one last question. Just a thought starter question that we'll do, who's back in the league? We'll get to our interviews. So the Knicks fans going crazy was awesome on Friday night. I think the Knicks might be the number one city to proverbially burn down in a championship. And I was thinking about this. So obviously you could throw in the Browns or the Lions or the Bills,

but those teams play winter sports. It's definitely different if you win a Superbowl like it just is versus winning an NBA or a Stanley cup and it's nice out and everyone just takes the streets. The only other one I could think of is the Toronto Maple Leaf. That was going to be my, yeah, maybe I would put, I would definitely put the Brown Maple Leaf. That was going to be my... Yeah. Maybe. I would put, I would definitely put the Browns on there even though it's the winter time.

The river catches on fire. Yes, for sure. That city is very flammable. I would also say Montreal. Montreal. Because Montreal has a culture where it's like you riot after good things happen to you. Yeah.

Like in Europe. But the Knicks might be number one right now of city to burn, to proverbially, but not actually burn down, but like just the most chaotic scenes possible after a champ. What would be great about New York is that you get you get snippets from like seven different neighborhoods. Yeah. All celebrating in their own crazy ways. Yeah.

I will say that I have given some thought about the rest of the playoffs. Yes. Oh, this is good. This is a big announcement. You said that you weren't going to watch the rest of playoffs. I will. No, I will. even I'll say I will say after I hope so we we have a sports Yeah, no, I know and after after Tatum's injury like how you know watching the game? So it's just kind of like damn this I am just watching this as a neutral fan

I don't think we're gonna play the Thunder or you know the Nuggets or the Timberwolves like I Will be rooting for the Knicks to win the Eastern Conference. Oh, that's huge And I will be rooting for the Thunder Alex Caruso really the only connection You know within the world is the Thunder he's super fun to watch play great recurring guest friend of the program That loves golf. I'm pulling for him. I literally texted Caruso after game seven I was like dude, you're you're my playoff team. Yeah, you personally are my yeah Yeah, fuck. Yeah, Caruso like guys man. I hope he wins. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah, it's thunder over Knicks Yeah, cuz I want

What the next to get their heart broke? Oh, that's very mean. I think next I I now and I'm not betting I'll be betting on the next definitely game one I think I'll go game by game after that, but it would be crazy. Like you can't know how to bet against this team. I'm now in the, in the like mindset of any of these four teams. I really do. I could see any of these four teams. I think the thunder are probably the best team still standing. But if you flash forward and you tell me the Pacers, the Knicks, the wolves, the thunder all win the champions. I'm like, yeah, they they're really fucking good I think it's a good place to be it's it's a fun final four that it really feels Chaotic and awesome and someone's gonna have a championship for you do the first time ever or the Knicks first time in 52 years

Yeah, next could absolutely win the title though. Yeah It's crazy the Cavs and the Celtics It's crazy though the Cavs and the Celtics. You should have put that in the injuries man. PFT laid the death knell when he was like can we just fast forward the Eastern Conference to the Cavs and the Celtics? Yeah. Yeah I said all these other teams get the fuck out of here. There was the Celtics.

I was also egging Hank on a little bit with that. But the ESPN analyst this is now the 3-0 for them. Yeah. So they all picked against the Timberwolves against the Lakers. They all picked against the Pacers against the Cavs and they all picked against the Knicks against the Celtics. Yeah. So if you get that graphic going. Yep. You know they're about to be wrong. Yeah. Memes and I both said Nixon six before the series started. There you go. And only two media members. That counts. The booth is up. The booth is up. The booth is up huge. All right. Let's do Who's Back and then we'll get to our interviews.

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Okay, Hank, who's back this week? My who's back, I got, I emptied the clip. Yeah, you got it now. Trying to full buster. I'll go, because I'm looking at it on the screen right now, the librarians, the next chapter. They're showing these commercials in all these games it like it. I can't believe it's a real show that is being made Fucking show of all time is this one where Nicole Kidman's like a no no this is a movie This is no have you seen the commercials though. It's like looks like I don't think it is Lin-Manuel Miranda

But it looks like them. Yeah, and it's like a bunch of action hero superhero librarians. Look at look at look at look at I can't tell if it's him. I literally think I'm guessing that he wrote the show or something. It was like, let's get an action double of myself. But the commercials, every time I see him, I think it's like a spoof commercial for like a different product and then at the end It's like library. Wait, hold on a second Rebecca Romaine is in it. Yeah She's first listen How could you wait this is the librarians 2014 TV

Season one that would have been crazy. But is she in season two? I don't know. I hope not librarians 2014 TV Wait, but is she in season two? I don't know. I hope not. Oh my The next chapter season. Oh, yeah. Okay, so there's four seasons. I think she's in them. Is she in the new one? I've got it pulled up right now. Let's see starring. I don't see your name in this. Okay I also don't see Lin-Manuel Miranda's name. I think Hank just look at the guy. Okay. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I see Lin-Manuel No, no, he is that is him. Is that him? No Look at him though. That's Callum McGowan. That does look like him. I'm looking at it Yeah, like he had to have written this show What is the guy that also is that Olivia Munn? Yep. No, it's fake Olivia Olivia Morris, isn't it?

So it's a live a fake Olivia Munn and the fake Lin-Manuel Miranda. Olivia isn't the one that looks like Olivia. Jessica Green looks like Olivia. Got it. Yeah. I guess he's not on the executive producers or anything. I just, when I see the commercial, I'm like, is that Lin-Manuel Miranda? I'm like, no. And I'm like, he must've been like, all right, good. Who's back in action version of myself. But yeah, I'm going to have to watch this at least an episode cuz Again, I just can't believe it's a real show is the is the Rebecca Romaine Attent is that the same as this show? I think I was the previous

The next chapter. Yeah, got it. It's about crime-fighting librarians Great who's back Hank? Thank you. It's on the TV right now just looking around the room okay well I didn't give like eight before yeah I mean to be fair hey I did take like everything yeah before whose back came up so my who's back of the week is Vanity Woodhead oh how's Vanity Woodhead looking oh good good I just we sent an invoice for some parts it's getting fixed up okay because when was the due date on Vanity Woodhead it was was, it was spring, spring,

summer ish. So it would be right now. I just hadn't heard anything about him. So I figured we might check in. Yeah, he's doing we're about to hit summer Memorial Day is the start of summer. So we're, we're, we're like seven days away. Are we on track? No. Oh, okay. Cause that was your thing. I'm working on it. I'm still working on it. It could, it could happen still, but I don't want to, you know, there's been some delays and possibly me just forgetting to send an invoice. Well, the Celtics, cause like if we went through

the list, like memes, your thing is to meme Hank to death. Check match your thing. Baseball your thing against a baseball team. Max, your thing is to freak out and make good content about getting tricked in. I went to the bachelor party, bachelor party, check Hank, Vanny wooded on it. How far loading? How far would you say we're behind? I don't know. I'm not, I am not. My hands aren't dirty. Uh, what does that mean? Like I don't know exactly, you know what, what needs to get fixed and how long it's gonna take If you know if you were on a flight It would be a delay where you're not like upset about it. You're not gonna change any plans. You're just like all right little minor delay Like someone they're just fixing like a light in the bathroom. So we shouldn't be looking for

Alternative routes. No, so it's no longer spring is summer. It's still a solidly summer. Never say never. When the consumer doesn't start till like July or June 21st. Yeah. So never say never. June 21st. Are you taking the over the under over? Okay. Yeah. But you know, it's it's you would have taken the Celtics going into the series like anything can happen in this game. Yeah, I would take it. So you're saying we get an upset and down. You're probably get some good value on the under. Okay. All right. My, I have two who's back. Uh, first is Yannis because he did a Q and a while everyone's wondering where he's going. And it was very funny because he was answering. I think Yannis like they were, people were asking him very loaded questions.

He was answering them honestly Like someone asked Out of all the cities you've ever been to which city made you the happiest happiest to be there not counting your hometown He said Florida cities He said he said what's your favorite city to play in on the road? He said New York He said there was something else about I think there was something with Texas or something, but he's basically just throwing red meat at the internet being like, here you go. And I think he's actually being genuine. Like I don't know if he's doing this on purpose. Florida cities. Yeah. Florida, all Florida cities,

all Orlando. Well, it'll be a good fit. It would be great. My other who's back is PEDs. Because you guys see Brittany in my homes? No, I did not. I did. Yeah. There's been some upgrades. Let me look at this. respectfully. All due respect. Developing, developing, respect. All due respect. I thought I think she's always been a lovely person. She's always been a do respect. I thought I think she's always been a lovely person. She's always been a lovely person. I'm just saying there has been some alterations. Good for her. Yeah. All do respect. cannons. Mahomes always been a big TD guy. Yeah. Yeah. A lot of the

overused joke of the weekend online was Mahomes, look at the weapons Mahomes got to play with this year. I like that, that's good. Yeah, it's a pretty good one. Very nice lady. Yeah, looks respect. Looks great, always has.

Also, the real PEDs is Jose Alvarado, Phillies closer got busted for PEDs. Big time bust, 80 games. 80 games. Ineligible for the postseason. Not good. Not good. Max?

Not great. Not great, especially because the bullpen's already very bad. Ah. But we also just brought up a prospect. He threw six scoreless, nine Ks today. We have like eight starters and like two relievers. Okay, so what happened with Jose Alvarado you know he was a little bit overweight and I think

you he's it was it was it was a fat it was a fat loss drug okay you can't get that lost fat pill you can probably has like method yeah you can take the fat one, the dog pill. Yeah. You can take the fat one, the dog pill. Listen, sometimes you feel like a fat boy and you want to be less of a fat boy and he has a clip about calling himself a fat boy that's very funny. Yeah, play it. And this is what did him in. Set the key for any pitcher though, though Jose, is make sure your legs are strong. You know, I am the grizzly bear.

Yeah, you are. I am the grizzly bear. I got, sometimes I call like to my people in the clubhouse, bro, I feel like a fat boy. Yeah, they shouldn't have busted this guy. Yeah, no, we laughed over it. He's like, yeah, fat boy. I'm fucking fat. I'm looking up what he got busted for.

Looks like he got busted for taking supplemental testosterone. So I don't know if that's necessarily a fat boy move. I don't think the way you made it seem was that- No, there was rumors that it was a fat-l loss drug that had testosterone in it. Ah Okay, got it, but I actually believe him that he was not trying to do it in a Steroids way. He was just trying to get lose weight Well, so was exogenous testosterone, which is not one of the fat boy drugs This is what I don't know this guy he's got you know

15,000 followers okay Jose Alvarado accepted accepted this is the suspension Dave Dabrowski said it was a weight loss drug that caused him to fail. Phillies will treat it like losing someone to injury. I think that's why the MLB came out and said what it actually was. Yeah. Because they said that's bad Max. That's bad. Yeah I mean mean, deadline pick up guys. We got eight starters and two relievers. All right. Let's get to our interviews.

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He just did a live stream after the PGA Championship. And he was there in Charlotte all week. Smiley, I don't really know where to start other than Scottie Scheffler is just the best golfer in the world. And it feels like, maybe you can explain it to me. It feels like the gap is larger than we led on because obviously Rory and you know, Xander one two last year, but it does feel like when Scotty plays his best, there is no one close to him. Is that a fair assessment? I think we're back to regular scheduled programming and great to be back on with you boys and always enjoy coming on. Yeah. I mean, guys, Scotty Scheffer, it's absurd what he can do

with the golf ball. And I think maybe most of us and maybe members of the media were blinded a little bit by the grand slam with Rory McRoy at the Masters and Augusta national and just how important that was not only for Roy's legacy for the game of golf, but even after that, I'm thinking, oh gosh, Rory could potentially win the next six majors in my head. And I'm just somehow forgetting about how good Scotty Sheffer was over the past couple of years. And then Scotty Sheffer goes to the Byron Nelson wins by,

what was it, eight shots at the Byron Nelson, then shows up this week and gets the job done. It didn't ever feel like it was going to be a five shot win in the end, but there was a lot of drama that happened over the last couple of hours that made it kind of a boring ending, but a very exciting hour or two in there, just not knowing what exactly was going to happen. Yeah. Did we see a little bit of that emotion from Scottty as he won? Like you guys forgot about me.

Is this bad boy Scotty that we got to see drop the gloves? Cause I mean, he made that putt on 18 spikes the hat. That's an outburst. The likes of which we've never even imagined from Scotty to throw his hat on the ground. And everybody was like, Oh my God, I can't believe this guy showed emotion. How rude was that? Right? I mean, we're trying to play golf out here It's a gentleman's game and he's out here throwing his hat around at celebration But to me dude pfD this guy's a competitive psycho It's unbelievable how this guy is wired But he's got this soft side of him to this like emotional dad side that any any dad Can relate to just at any moment he could cry and you just don't know when

it's going to happen but then when he's you know when he's playing and before he gets that moment where he gets emotional he is legitimately just a competitive freak he never gets out of the zone oftentimes when I'm out watching him out on the golf course and walking the grounds with him I know when to stay away when he's not gonna talk or when he's not going to joke around. And, uh, he, he was in the zone today and it was fighting it on that front nine guys. He, he would have these, all these left misses going and you're thinking yourself is, is Scotty going to blow this today? Yeah. Yeah. There was, there was that moment where John Rom tied him and it was like, Oh

man, is this really going to happen? And then John Rom completely like melted down and Scotty just kind of stayed steady throughout it. I want to go back though, the start of the tournament and obviously, you know, the odds don't tell everything, but I thought it was crazy because on Friday, I believe it was, I was looking at the odds. Scotty's in like fifth or sixth and he's probably four strokes back and he's by far the favorite to win the tournament. If you're one of and in the in the argument the beginning of the tournament was like look at these guys are not like the known they're not the known guys at the top of leaderboard. If you're one of those guys who came out and

shot a sixty four or sixty five on Thursday and you're in the lead are you the whole time thinking like well Scotty is four strokes behind and I'm fucked. Hopefully those guys aren't going to look at the odds boards after there's 65 on a Thursday, but dude, I mean, Scotty was plus four 50, I think coming into the week. I believe he still had the shortest odds. And then after his two under round on Thursday, he moved up. Uh, and like you said, he was still four strokes back in the lead, actually no, five strokes back early because Vegas shot seven under and he moved up to plus 350. Yeah.

And that's crazy. And that's when you're thinking to yourself, okay, so the lead is actually 200, it's not seven under. The scoreboard is wrong. Everything that you're seeing, it says what the lead is. Oh no, it's actually Scottie down here, five strokes behind. And you know what's even crazier, guys, is that I just looked at what the odds are next week at the Colonial. Scottie Shaffer's playing next week.

He's plus 250 to win next week at the Colonial, which is the most absurd number. Like that's tiger like, I think tiger, tiger got like maybe into like, he never got to where he was like minus on a week to where that you were weighing money down on, on a loss. But I, it's, we're entering a territory. That's crazy. And Jordan's speed that I think is he's the next best odds next week at the colonial at I think 22 to one. So we're talking just the biggest gap. That's crazy. It is nuts. And it is tiger like because

tiger, I, I remember like there was a year where tiger like to win the masters was like plus one 50 or something. It's like, this is ridiculous. So I, I know this is a lame thing to do, but I do love to talk about it. Is Scotty officially on Tiger watch? I know he's got a lot of things to do, but I saw a stat 22 major starts. I think Tiger had three wins in his first 22 Scotty or sorry, Tiger had five in his first 22 Scotty has three Scotty had more top 25s, more top tens and the same amount of top fives. Like I know I never thought when tiger happened you're like it's never going to happen again but it does feel like Scotty is and maybe the competition is just harder because like you see the guys that we can

and we count are so good but yeah like if you had to put a number on Scotty if everything stays like you know if he stays healthy and plays for 15 more years like it does feel like he will be in that double digit majors territory. Oh, you're right. And health is going to be, you know, a big key to that. If he's, if he remains healthy, um, and it continues the form that he's on, uh, the strokes gained, uh, that's something that we, we can kind of compare, uh, generations a bit when we can go back and look at how well did Tiger Woods strike the golf ball and then compare it to how well Scotty Scheffler has done it and it's comparable data.

So when you look at that, you say, okay, he's as good as controlling his golf ball as Tiger Woods, and then you look at, all right, how has he done since 2021? You look at all the top events that he's played in and he constantly puts himself in contention week in and week out, especially for the majors. So when you look at that and you think about just what he's accomplished to this point and how crucial it was for him to win this week, because if he would not have gotten the job done this week, all of a sudden you're thinking to yourself, okay, he's only got two majors, he's only won the Masters.

And we think about what he's going to be measured against over the course of his career, as far as how many majors can he win and can he pass higher, can he cash, uh, pass Jack Nicholas? Well, he definitely needed to get it done today and he did. And, um, and all of a sudden you start to think, okay, is, is he going to be the next player to complete the, uh, the grand slam and actually, uh, somebody tweeted this out. I can't remember who it was, but they, they actually said it would be considered the golden slam because he's won a gold medal. Now when he was able

to win the U S open in the open championship, he would be the first to complete the golden slam. I wish I could give credit to whoever came up with that, but, uh, that was a credit as first reported by Smiley coffin. Yeah.. Like the golden sign. Pardon my take. Yes. So I was looking at a bunch of the stats that you were kind of alluding to and he's on all these lists with Tiger and Jack Nicklaus as you mentioned the only golfers to win two Masters and a PGA before their 30th birthday. Like you can look at the stats and I'm a little bit upset at Scotty because it was going to be fun to say that he's just a master's merchant, that he's like raffing the doll and he can only, he can only win at Augusta and nobody, he doesn't

even bother like competing in the other majors. So we can't talk about that anymore. But when we're talking about strokes gained and all this data that you brought up, where did he, where, where can you see that? Where can an average casual golf fan watch him play? Like, was it Saturday this year where it's like, he's dealing with the same conditions as everybody else, but he's just hitting the ball that much better. Oh gosh, man. He, uh, I think he gained like eight strokes down the stretch over the last five holes, uh, in the round yesterday.

And this is, it's, it's not an anomaly. This is what he does. He finds a way in the most challenging conditions. When we talk about the firm greens, we talk about holding 15 mile an hour crosswinds and shots that extend past wedges. We're talking like seven, six irons where really proximity gets shrunk to an average shot would be 30 or so feet. And he finds a way to break the mold down the stretch and hit shots inside of 15 feet. Having the best shots of the day and later in the day where typically it's firmer, faster, and it's more challenging. He put the turnbut to rest we thought last night

until all of a sudden he's tied with John Rahm, with Rahm with seven to play and with him with nine holes to play. But yeah, I was very excited to see Scottie get the job done because you want to see, uh, you know, a, a player of his caliber, uh, be able to, to reach the heights that we think he can in the game. So for him to get the, this win, uh, what, what a start to the major season, Roy Macro in the grand slam and now Scotty, uhty when the PGA just gets you excited about the next one where it you know the last six majors have gone to to to Scotty Shepard twice and or shop way twice Bryson to Shambo and then Rory McRoy and I don't know who's going to win a major outside of a group of about eight guys. These guys are that good right now.

Yeah it is pretty crazy. So Bryson you mentioned I wanted to ask a question about that Bryson like he just he gained so much from his drives and he's he's bombing it so much farther than everywhere everyone else. But then it feels like his iron play was just all over the place and his putting wasn't there. Is there a fix for him or is it like no dude he's he's like in the last you know six majors he's been in the contention and pretty much all of them, it will happen again for him. I think I talked to you guys after the U S open last year when he changed to the bulge faced irons, which is just, it's, it's so awkward to say as a technology in the game of golf, but there's so many weird sayings in the game of golf that bulge face technology

just kind of fits right in. And with Bryson, apparently he was talking about this after the round that it's adding extra curvature to shots for him. And he really only plays a draw and he hits it so high up in the air where the difference between I think him and Scottie Shepard when it comes to iron game is that Scottie Shepard has the ability to always make his golf ball fly straight. And they both hit it just as high.

They hit it, you know, if you're looking at them both hit an eight iron, they're both of the same apex, but Scottie Scheffler with, with crosswinds can hold a right to left wind to make the golf ball fly straight or Bryson DeChambeau for the most part, just plays a little push draw shot. So right to left shots are going to get overem over emphasized where they go too much to the left, where Scotty's ball is always landing softer on the greens because when you're fighting up against a breeze, it's adding spin to the golf ball. It's going to make the ball and softer where Bryson doesn't hit many shots where he controls the trajectory and brings it down. So it's, it's something that he 1000% needs to improve on. Uh, but he hits it so

good off the tee and his short game around the greens, his putting his chipping, his bunkering is all at such an elite level that in major championships, he's always going to be in contention. Right. Yeah. I saw, uh, this was from John Sherman. He was watching the round today and he said that Scotty came out with his club face too closed But as the round went on he found a way to manage it and that he'll go down as an all-time great because of his face Control. So I think a lot of terrible bad Face is what he's got. So Scotty had resting bitch face today, but he learned how to smile through it somehow So Scotty had resting bitch face today, but he learned how to smile through it somehow. Is that something that you can see on a broadcast? Can you tell he's figuring this out as the round goes on or is this something that you say when you're watching it to try to sound smart?

Yeah, I think Randy Smith, Scotty Shepard's coach after Friday, went on the range with him and they Randy was basically holding his hips and, and, and working on getting his hips to turn correctly. Yeah. So part of that, uh, helps with sequence and just knowing how to clear out at the right time. Uh, and, and I would say earlier this year, Scotty's biggest issue was a left miss and it came out a lot, a lot of times in pressure, pressure moments, uh, what you've been dealing

with will come out and that's kind of what Scottie dealt with on the front nine. And you're right, PFT is face control is absurd. And maybe we can ask Scottie to task big cat how to exactly set up to the golf ball because big cat, of course, maybe has one of the best setups in the game of golf. That's back. And, and in you, I would say probably struggled to clear your hips through the golf shots as well. And I would say that maybe Scotty had maybe

watched you play too much golf recently, heading into Sunday. Because the knees are locked, the hips weren't clearing at the right time, and maybe just watching too much golf YouTube content. Yeah, I never clear my head. No, and Hank does have an issue with not being able to close his face. Yeah. The big time. All right. So so I want to talk about the course real quick. I watch you know what's what's up. Explain to me the driver

saga that happened this weekend. They test 50 people's randomly their driver and apparently Scotty uses backup driver still dominated. Rory uses backup driver was a baby and didn't talk to media. It, the only reason it's a story is that, is that Rory didn't talk to the media the entire week. So I think people were upset that Rory wasn't just making himself available, especially coming off of a grand slam. And typically is one who always is one to talk to the media. The only time really that it comes to mind was of course,

after the U S open last year where you can't blame the guy for not wanting to talk to the media. Oh, we could, we did. We did. He like pull, he peeled out. It was over like six kids in the parking lot. Yeah. I just feel vindicated that he didn't talk to the media because we rooted against him at the masters. I feel a little vindicated, but what's, what's up with the testing drivers? So it's, it's kind of interesting because there isn't exactly a protocol that, that tests the entire field, what you would think if you're just like a casual fan, you would think that they would test every single player's equipment so that it's not just random.

You just want everybody to be playing under the same conditions. And so that was the conversation where was people asking the question as well, was Rory's driver, was it conforming the week of the Masters? And so I think that's why the narrative of Rory not doing media kind of got overblown because his driver wasn't conforming for the week. To me it was a big nothing burger, but I think people just wanted just to hear Rory's thoughts on it because typically he gives so many thoughts on a lot of things in the game of golf. What does that mean though? What is conforming? My understanding was that the drivers, as you use them more, as you hit more shots with them the face gets thinner and so then as like through natural wear and tear as the face gets

thinner it becomes almost a springboard yes face has a little bit of give to it so it could be something where it's not like it's a driver that he got from a store like he didn't see an infomercial for like get 20 extra yards as you drive I did that yeah with this with this fake driver but it was like just through overuse and the same thing happened to was it Shofley a couple of years ago at the open? Yeah, no, it happens all the time. And you explained it perfectly. When guys' face gets thinner, typically that's when

you start to hit it the furthest. And you'll start to notice maybe a little bit difference in a ball flight at times, and all of a sudden you'll look down at your face and then it's cracked. So that's a lot of times what players are looking for is if their driver face cracks, especially if they start hitting shots offline. But the protocol, there's a certain way they measure it and apparently it doesn't take very long for the fact that they could measure the

entire field's clubs week in and week out. But for whatever reason, it's randomized. It just seems like a situation just hire more people just so where you just know everybody's playing under the same conditions. Yeah, that should test every driver. Should that be on the players? Like do the players monitor how their driver looks at all? Cause I wouldn't think, like unless there's a crack on your driver and there's something screwed up about the ball flight, I wouldn't think that most players are like self reporting. Hey, no check. This I think might be thin.

You know, when I was playing on tour from this was probably 15 to 2019, I can think of maybe one time that I remember my clubs got checked. Maybe my caddy was asked to get them checked and took them over. But me personally, I don't remember it happening. But when I was talking to some journalists in the media center this week, they said that from 2019 up until now, that they've kind of activated a little bit more

to where it's being tested more frequently. And even that number being a third of the field being tested, that number, it seemed high to me. I always thought it was closer to like 10 to 12 guys being tested week in and week out, which really didn't ever really make a whole lot of sense to me anyways. So what I'm taking away from this is Rory had an illegal driver. He was a baby about it, didn't talk to the media, had to use his backup driver. That's why he sucked.

But that also means that he had an illegal driver at the Masters, asterisks. He needs to still win the masters to complete the grand slam. So you're gonna run it back. That's what I got. I think the driver was at its best in the playoff. Yeah, right. Correct. Okay, so here's the spin zone. I'm gonna throw it to you guys is that I watched him play the Philly cricket club last week and he hit that driver, that same driver that was nonconforming that he had to take out of the bag. He hit it pretty bad. Like he was not hitting fairways with that driver.

It was probably cracked. It was probably right before it cracked. Okay, all right. So there you go. Maybe it was already not conforming. The most nonconforming of his driver was at the Masters. At its peak, he won the Masters with his thin-faced driver. I got another question about the course because there was a lot of mud ball talk this week.

Oh, mud ball. Mud ball. So Shane Lowry, I loved his, he took it out on the course, he beat the course up. First question is, the story came out afterwards that it actually was a ESPN employee that was the one who pointed out that that wasn't his like he tried to claim and he wasn't trying to cheat. You can just say hey I think that divot was already there. That's why my ball is half submerged. There was an ESPN bystander who was like no that's actually not true. That was your divot. If you were in that spot, would you report that?

I've thought about this so many different times because the person that would have reported is exactly what I would be doing on the ground. So you're up there, you see that the ball lands and then ends up in somebody else's pitch mark. And by rule, you do not get relief in that, which by the way is so stupid. If your ball is below the level of the surface, I think you should always get relief. It's a ground under repair type of situation in my mind, but I was thinking about it and a lot of times too, there's enough people around to where I wouldn't ever have to stick my nose in this. Maybe I wasn't there, so it's hard for me to really say but I

don't know man it's a hard one to call because it just I don't want to say it depends on who it is but also yeah it does yeah gosh all right so let's just say who would you definitely not call it on. Who would I not call it on? JT, Max? Yeah, I mean... You better not fucking call it on Max. I'm not calling it on... You better not call it on Brooks either. We're gonna have problems. This is a tough one. You all are putting me in a bad spot here.

Now I'm gonna just start looking away when balls land in the fairway. Just so I'm not held liable, you know? Didn't see it. Not gonna live, guys. just start looking away when balls land in the fairway. So I'm just so I'm not held liable. You know, I don't want any smoke with them BS. So, so my real question though is, um, and you can maybe tell me that I'm wrong and you can spin zone this. The complaints about the mud balls is like the softest thing ever. Like, come on golfers, there's mud on balls. So you tell me how wrong I am that it's actually impossible to hit a mud ball because like this is one of those situations where I love watching the majors. I love watching golf. You know there's times when you know if the crowd says something and then someone flips out I'm like come on don't be so soft mud balls. Are they that

hard. Is it that hard. Am I way off. Yeah I was about to ask you have you ever hit a mud ball. No I mean I just pick it up and clean it. I play scramble rules whenever I'm playing just by myself. Well, it's same with me now too. So I personally don't hit any mud balls anymore either, but I could tell you the challenge is, is ridiculous. Um, it is, it is very, very hard, especially when you talk about, uh, Quail hollow and a major championship tests, uh, and, and just not having really any control. And I've seen veterans, kind of old school players kind of really kind of say that guys, there's a way around

this. There's a way to hit these shots to where you can keep it in front of you. And it's part of the game. It's just kind of rub of the green and that you should just deal with it. And then other players like Scotty, who is just when he's in the fairway, he's so good that it's, it's a disservice that you don't let him hit the iron shot that he's capable of hitting and that he's now has to basically be punished for hitting in the fairway. I think that there's an argument to be made there because the PGA tour, if it was a PGA tour event on Thursday, so Quail Hollow for the truest is be played, played there every year. I would have said that Thursday, the PGA tour would have probably played it up ball in hand to where they would

have cleaned the golf balls in the fairway. But because there was a major championship and that the PGA of America is making the call on whether, whether the ball is being played up or played down, uh, that, that was a significant impact because majors, they don't want to be defined by, uh, you know, the golf ball not being played down. And, uh, that, that was a significant impact cause majors, they don't want to be defined by, uh, you know, the golf ball not being played down and, uh, you know, guys just had to deal with it. It wasn't the rest of the week. It wasn't a big storyline, but Thursday, it was a big deal. That makes sense too, because I've always thought that the PGA championship has a little bit of like little brother going on where like, you know, they moved from the blast one to this one. They also like,

there was that one year where the scoring was outrageous and everyone was like, well, this isn't the U S open. So they're trying, they're trying to be a little bit more like the rest of the major. So maybe if it were another, like they're like, Hey, we got it. We got to make sure they hit these mud balls. Well, you know, they got five inches of rain, I think on Monday, Tuesday, and Wednesday leading up. So the fact that the golf course was even to a point where they could get mowers down Wednesday night just tells you how, how good the golf course was from an agronomy

standpoint and just how good the drainage was. But, uh, yeah, mud balls are, they're really, really hard to hit. I don't know if you know understand how they work but no I don't typically so when I'll tell you right now I never will because I'm never hit a mudball. I think you need to go try it out for yourself. So when the mud is caked on the left side of the golf ball there's some type of aerodynamics that make the when the mud flies off it makes the golf ball shoot to the right. So it's the opposite the side the mud is on makes the golf ball shoots the right. So it's the opposite. The side the mud is on the way it's going to go. So it's on the left. The ball's going right. The mud is on the right. The ball is going to the left. So my bit now that I don't play much anymore, when I tee the ball up off the tee and I just hit a big slice, I'll

just say mud ball. It's just such a shame. You just described every shot I've ever taken in my life. I'm just only hitting mud balls. Exactly. I'm a new bit. Yeah. You got a new bit. ever taken in my life. And I'm just only hitting mud balls. Exactly. But yeah, you got a new bit. You got a new bit. What happened with the that shot that John Rom hit where it hit the dude in the head and then bounced off his head and went on the green? How did it bounce that far off his head?

Number one and two. Did anybody check on that guy to make sure he's OK? Because that seemed like it was pretty, pretty intense. I'm 99% sure PFT that that guy played full back in high school. That guy just went up to John Rahman and was like, Hey man, sorry about that. Like we're all good. Don't worry about that shot. Just hit your head like as hard as it possibly can.

And then it bounced 50 yards. He's a dude's dude, a true football guy, guy that uses the crown of the helmet, a guy that would have definitely been thrown out of plenty of games in high school. I mean, when it, we, if you're listening to it live, the sound that it made when it hit his school, it, he's, he's 20 yards left to the green guys and it, it rolls. I mean, the green, uh, from a width standpoint is probably a good 13 yards. I mean, it, it ricocheted a good. Yeah. Which is just absurd to think about. Yeah. I was concerned about the man's health. And the next thing that I saw, he's like shaking

hands with John Rahman, like getting an autographed glove from them. And they're like hooting and hollering. Like, that was awesome. I mean, I saw some pretty funny tweets that said that he should have milked it and try to get it, should have tried to have got about a billion dollars from the PIF knowing that John Rahm's employer is going to maybe help them out there. So I thought that was a pretty good tweet. Yeah. Let me ask you, did you watch the final round? Are you in Louisiana?

No, no, I'm actually in, I live in Birmingham, Alabama. So I flew home late last night, watched the coverage today. So yeah. Okay. Cause I heard that that people in Louisiana couldn't watch part of the final round because it cut to a press conference about escaped inmates at a Prison. Oh, I did see that on my social media today, and I've been following the story lines I think they've caught I think about six the guys that have escaped

So maybe I can follow that live stream later because that that would be some good content I can only imagine how upset golf fans in Louisiana were that they have to deal with that You alluded to it earlier, but maybe if you could narrow down just a little, you said like with all these great players that we have right now, you don't know who the next major champion is going to be from the, from the list of the guys that don't have one yet. Can you just give us like a short list of guys that we should, we should keep our eyes on? Oh, so players that have not won a major championship that could be next up in line. Is that what you're asking? Yeah. Oh gosh.

Victor Hoblin to me, he's been all over the place at times when it comes to his golf game over the last really year or so. He won earlier this year in an unexpected fashion, but still he's still to me is the one of the most talented players that hasn't won yet. Ludwig Oberg would be another guy too, whose I think his game is built for major championships. Ludwig is already contended at the Masters a couple different times.

So those would be the two that come to mind first, but there's plenty of other guys that you can maybe reach on. I think Joaquin Nieman is a very talked about player from the live golf tour, but he finally got his first top 10 in a major. That was a knock against him is that he's won all this time on the P or excuse me, he wanted the PGA tour, but he's also won five times on the live and, uh, had yet to have a top 10 in a major championship and got his first top 10 this week at Quail Hollow. So maybe that's all he had to do is get his first top 10 to maybe, uh,

go win potentially at the U S open at Oakmont. I got a, I got a question. So not only Shane Lowry beat up the course, but we also saw Wyndham Clark like launches driver. People were trying to say that that was the same as when max launched his driver. Uh, if you watch Wyndham, Clark could have killed someone. Max was did it in the most like gentlemanly way where he like tossed it up the fairway where there's no one there. It was perfect. And he he also tossed it where he was walking, which was efficient. Does it does the PGA

say anything after these kind of things? Are they like, Hey man, you can't do that. Or do they just they're like, Hey, emotions happen. What are you going to do? Well, typically you get fine. And on the PGA Tour, the guys understand kind of what the other's like certain levels. I'm not sure what the numbers are exactly for fines because they don't, the PGA Tour doesn't make that available public information of what the number is.

But I can tell you that when Shane Lowry and I played together, this is the Honda Classic, back in I think 2016. Him and I both got fines on the 15th hole of part three there. You can find it on YouTube. It's actually quite entertaining. They come live to the 15th hole for the first time, and I get up on the tee and hit one in the water and snap a club over my knee, Bo Jackson style. And then Shane Lowry hits one in the water right after me and then proceeds to just to

give a good old classic like Shane Lowry, oh, you're a f**king idiot. And that's how he got fined. And Shane Lowry didn't apologize. I did. So he had a double version of what my fine was. So for the PGA of America this week, to answer your question, big cat. I think if you like, look at the levels of, of what the fine would be, Windham's would be on a very high level because when you do the no look throw and not know if anybody's behind you, especially with a little bit of heat,

that's where, you know, Britt could have killed a guy type of situation comes out. And my favorite part about it too is there's a picture too. I think one of his sponsors think it's T-Mobile and there's a hole like of his driver that goes right through the T-Mobile sponsor side on the back. You got to find it. It's absolutely hilarious knowing that like it's one of his sponsors and of course he wasn't trying to throw a club. Well, I guess he did throw the club, but just throw it right through one of his sponsors ads, like on the back was, uh, I thought, uh, funny for us. And luckily everybody survived. Uh,

but I imagine there was probably going to be a fine. I found the video of you snapping the club here. Uh, what, do you remember what iron that was? It was seven iron. Yeah. So what do you do for the rest of the round? You're just like, like afterwards, I imagine that you have a couple of minutes where you're like, or a couple of seconds probably where you're like, sweet, that was awesome. And then reality sets in where you're like, Oh shit, I actually don't have a seven. You can't use it. You're just hitting little chippy

six irons and big eight irons. It's all you're doing. Luckily for me it was on Sunday. Uh, and so I didn't, I didn't necessarily have to worry about it too much. That was a good snap. Yeah, it was. Cause I would be nervous that I wouldn't be able to snap it. That would be, that's the book. Like if you're going to go for the snap and you don't snap it, what horrible moment I tried to tell the PJ tour. I was not trying to break a club over my knee. Like it wasn't my intent to break the club. I wanted to just put it up next to my knee and just like try to act like I was breaking it. Yeah. But like Bo Jackson, um, you know, I, I just had these quads that just unfortunately just, they just can't match a seven iron shaft. This might be a dumb question, but what is, what is the drug testing policy like on the tour?

How often do you get to randomize, randomize it? I remember that happening often. And it, there would be a guy with a clipboard after your round. Typically, uh, they would say, Hey, we need to get a drug test for you. And so you go pee or whatever, but every single time it always happens, ask any PGA Tour player, you always bogey the last hole. It just happens every time like that.

It's where you leave and you're just so hot and you can't turn out a, like if you walk away from one of these urine tests to test if you are taking PEDs wherever it is, that counts as a false. Like it would be a positive test. So that's the one you can't walk away from. So you gotta sit there and sometimes you can't be

at the end of the day when it's really, really hot, you're drinking all these fluids and so you just gotta sit in there for 30 minutes, just make it small talk with the guy with the clipboard. Yeah, that's really hot. You're drinking all these fluids and it's, so you just got to sit in there for 30 minutes, just make it small talk with the guy with the clipboard. We know with the NFL guys, they actually, they watch you pee. They have to be in the room and like, come on, let's see the hog. I got to see coming out. Is it, I have to imagine that in golf, they might be a little, maybe they're a little bit more gentlemanly.

Well, you just hope to be drug tested on during the summer, not like a, you know, at Pebble beach when it's 50 degrees out and you come off the course, you say, can I, can I go just kind of run the treadmill here for a minute? Get some blood flow. Uh, I got, I got a couple of last questions. Uh, John Rom. So we, we didn't talk about, I mean, he was tied at one point in this, uh, final round on Sunday and then it fell apart. Are you think he watching him in this tournament? You think he's closer to being back? Uh, or is it like, man, this was just another moment where things just haven't been going his way ever

since he kind of went to live. Well, I think you got to look at the three, uh, the three holes over the most crucial ones for John Rahm. 13, 14, and 15. 13, he hit a 25 foot putt, excuse me, that I can't believe how it didn't drop. Like such a good putt. And you know, gravities, wind, everything's helping him out for this ball to break. Somehow it doesn't break and that doesn't go in.

And then 14, you know, John Rahm's a fader of the golf ball and the wind direction at 14 today was off the left. So not necessarily a comfortable shot, but he hit a three wood, a club that he can turn over and it lands on the right edge of the green. If it lands maybe two steps short of that, it's probably has enough of the draw spin to where that ball bounces onto the green,

but it bounces just in a place where it takes a right kick, goes into the bunker. But it got far enough into the bunker to where that was not, I didn't think it was that difficult of an up and down compared to Scotty, who his ball just barely rolled into the bunker at 14. I thought a more of a challenging up and down. So it really did come down to similar type of shots. So Scotty Sheffler and John Rahm, similar type of bunker shots at 14 and then 15,

John Rom and Scotty Sheffer both end up in the same place over the green at 15. Scotty Sheffer gets up and down at 14. John Rom doesn't, hits a poor bunker shot and then 15 John Rom misjudges the putt from off the green, hits it to 13 feet, hits a poor putt coming back where Scotty Sheffer hit it to 13 feet, hits a poor putt coming back where Scottie Schaeffer hit it to nothing. And then all of a sudden, John Rahm is in a chasing mentality heading into the most difficult part of the golf course was forced to play aggressively. And then it just unfolded. Right. The one thing I'll leave you with here with this big cat, when you ask about, is he closer to winning? He's still one of the top five most talented players in the world. There's

no doubt about it. Yes, he can win a major. He can win the next major. That's how good he is. But now we can look at a bit of a theme that's kind of happened. When you go back to the Olympics where John Rahm, he had the lead, I believe, gosh, I wish I had the numbers in front of me, but he was comfortably looking like he was about to win the Olympic gold medal. And I think with five holes left, he found a way to work his way off of the medal stand. So John Romm leaving the 11th green had a seven shot lead over Siwoo Kim, who he was playing with. And at the end of the day, him

and Siwoo Kim finished a T8 at four under. And of course, walking to the 12th tee, he's tied with Scottie Schaeffler. Right. So heading into the day, John Rahm wasn't expected to win the golf tournament. But when John Rahm was on 12, 13, 14, 15, Anybody who was watching felt like John Rom could have done more to challenge Scottie Shepard to make him hit more shots on 16, 17, 18, just to make it more interesting, not only for us as fans, but to make Scottie Shepard prove that he can hit the shots to win his third major championship.

Yeah, yeah, it makes sense. It does. So, um, how should we feel about, uh, max's tournament? Because he had a great Friday, right? Like an absolutely fantastic Friday. Uh, and then things kind of went a little bit downhill, but I would say that making the cut and having that great day to get you to make the cut, I'm going to choose to look at this as a positive weekend for Max. Oh, totally. He's, I think he's feels confident about his game. You got to a little bit maybe exposed on Saturday, Sunday, which more challenging conditions and that's what major championships do. And have y'all looked at his scorecard yet on Sunday?

Yeah. Yeah. Crazy. Big cat. Have you seen that big cat? Yeah, it was all over. Okay. All right. Because if you had and I was going to try to quiz you a little bit because being two over through, uh, I think it was five holes and then shooting six over, but also making five birdies is the most psychotic scorecard I think I've ever seen. It is crazy. If you look at, you know, the, the circle, the, the, uh, cards they see online

with either the color coded or the circles, it's just a very festive looking scorecard. Yeah. Christmas tree on the, on the back night. I. I, we ride with him. So I had him and on Friday I was like, Ooh, this is going to be incredible. Um, but it was, I mean, Friday's in there. That's the thing I take away. Like yeah, Friday was around. I mean, PFT, I think it reminds me a little bit of the Washington, uh, football team and the LSU tigers. We could play some offense like when max home with the offense is there, but unfortunately the defense doesn't show up for a time or two. So that's kind of how it's been lately. Yeah. But it's an entertaining brand of football. Yeah. It sure is. It's points on the board. Yeah. But butts and seats. All right. I got one last question. Row back, uh, row back

question. R H O B A C K.com promo code take 20% off your first purchase. QS, it's polos, hoodies, joggers, shorts shorts Robach has great golf gear So go row back comm promo code take my last question. I'm going to give to Hank Hank Do you have a question for smiley about your game Hank shot in 93 at a member guest on Friday? Okay? All right, humble brag Yeah, I just I just have struck. I struggle making Consistent contact and getting getting the ball in the air. I just had a lot of thin shots.

I don't know if you have any tips or any drills I could do to just try and get some more height into my shots. Good question. Have you considered starting to drink earlier? Maybe before you get to the golf course? Yeah, that happens. That's not usually the problem. That's usually taken care of.

Okay. All right. Well, we just wanted to check that box that box off first, because that's where I would have started you just to make sure that all of your limbs are, uh, you know, firing on all cylinders. Man, I have to see it. Uh, you're going to have to, you have to send me a DM, uh, text me or just a video, cause I can take a peek.

I love looking at big cats swing. That's an easy one to, to diagnose. But a lot of times when guys can't get good contact and get the ball up in the air, for the most part, it's a pivot issue, meaning like your pivots not getting through the golf ball. You're using a lot of hands and your pelvis is moving into the golf ball. I know I'm throwing all these words at you, Hank. But I can simplify it if you can just send me a swing and we'll have you hitting, making a divot out in front of the golf ball and making the ball go up in the air.

All right, great. Thank you. You got it. We got to help Hank. He's having trouble getting it up. So we got to get those and everything going in the right direction. Yeah. The pelvis.

I think you accurately diagnosed as being mostly pelvis issue. Yes. It's a pelvis issue. That's right. That's right. All right. Well, smiley. Thank you, man.

We love having you on. Appreciate it. And we'll, we'll, we'll talk, uh, maybe us open or open championship because you're covering both. You got it guys. And I gotta leave you with this. I was on a plane. This was, I don't know how many months ago it was when y'all did the Andrew luck interview and I had fallen asleep a lot of times I'll throw it on y'all's podcasts and I'd fallen asleep and I woke up to Andrew walk doing the snap count. And not only did I wake up, I literally did one of these. And I know I couldn't have been the only person that that happened to. But man, that that interview was great with Andrew.

That was an all timer. Yeah. Take that sound isolated, make it somebody's like alarm to wake up in the morning. Oh, yeah. It just it threw me off, guys. It was good. I love it. All right. Thanks so much, Smiley. Smiley Kaufman was brought to you by our great friends at NASCAR and we get NASCAR in Mexico city.

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Go to chime.com slash disclosures for details. And now here's Kyle Stowers and Tyler Phillips and now for something completely different okay we now welcome on two very special guests from the Miami Marlins is Kyle Stowers Tyler Phillips boys in studio you guys have been in Chicago for what feels like forever playing the White Sox and the Cubs first of all how's how's the season go I know the the records, how's how's the season? I know the the record's not great, but how's the season going overall vibes? Yeah, I think the vibes are still good. I mean, I feel like we're in a lot of these games, you know, and

close to winning more of them. Obviously, you know, you want to win them. But, you know, I think we're pretty close. Yeah, I mean, I can't complain. I mean, I'm new to the team got here opening day. So building relationships with guys. But yeah, like you said, I think we're in all the games. So you guys both got traded recently. You got traded last year, Kyle. You got traded in the off season from the Phillies. I got traded opening day. Like the day before opening day. That's crazy. Was that like, that had to kind of be a bummer?

A little bit. But I mean, you know, I heard Miami, I was like, Oh, cool. Yeah. Yeah, it's pretty nice Yeah, you can't complain. There's definitely worse places to be Is it like weird knowing that like at any point you could get treated? Is that is that feeling kind of just suck like where it just doesn't go away? We're like, I never feel fully safe 100% I was with family friends at dinner yesterday and they were reading some article where I was talking about last year's trade deadline And they thought I got traded again.

Oh. And like you just had a moment where you're like, fuck, this is happening again? I mean, that's 100% a real thing. I think in baseball that you just kind of never know. Yeah, how'd you guys find out that you got traded? I was trying to avoid it all spring. I was out of options.

I was with the Phillies, so kind of an impossible team to make if you're a rookie and you're not the guy. So it was kind of inevitable for me, it felt like. I just found out literally the last day at camp, all my stuff was in Philly, I shipped it all. Thought I was making the team. Transitioning from a starter to a reliever,

I was like, oh, cool. And the last day, the sixth inning of the last game that pulled me in the office, like, Hey, we claimed a guy you're, uh, you're going to be traded. I was like, okay, that was, yeah. What about my stuff? Yeah, right. Right.

Yeah. It was definitely, definitely a weird scenario for me. Yeah. And you, Kyle, you knew you were going to get traded or you, you know, but you had a good feeling in Baltimore that you're gonna get treated Yeah I had a pretty good stretch of baseball with the Orioles last year kind of around this time of year and and still kind of got Sent back down and after that I was like, okay

Well, maybe this won't be the place where or I'd be for a while and I was actually in the tubs when I found out I just got out of tubs and they said hey Connor Norby and one other player got got traded to the Marlins And I went and checked my phone and I had a missed FaceTime call from our GM Mike Elias And I was like yeah, I think I'm the other player. Yeah, wait So how about a positive thing because you guys both how long were you guys both in the minors? 19 to 22 and then and then 23 and 24. So yeah. And then Tyler, you were a little bit longer. 15 high score. So what was the moment like when they actually called you up?

Because I love those videos. They're so awesome. You go first. Yeah, mine was unique. I was a COVID replacement player. So what does that mean? Yeah. So when the team traveled to Toronto,

if the guys weren't vaccinated they couldn't go So yeah, yeah, I was getting I was getting Texts from like our travel guy like the week before he was like, hey Do you have your passport on you? And so I was like looking at the schedule and I saw that Toronto was coming up and I was like, oh shoot Like this could be happening and and so yeah, that's that's how I initially debuted this could be happening and so yeah, that's how I initially debuted. Did they do any fun video? I would just prank.

If I were the manager, I would do all pranks for all the videos. Just like fake them out, be like, we're sending you down, just kidding, we're sending you up. Yeah, no, they didn't give me any special video. After me, they were starting to do the call of videos for guys.

Yeah, no, it wasn't as special as the other ones. What about you, Tyler, did you cry? After me they were starting to do like the call of videos for guys. Yeah. Yeah. It wasn't as special as the other ones. What about you Tyler? Did you cry? No. You cried? No. I wanted to.

I was trying to force some out. There's no video. I didn't see a camera so it didn't matter anymore. It's hard to send you back down if you cried when you get brought up, right? It means so much to you. I mean, no. Mine was weird though. I took my opt out.

So I had an upper mobility. Wait, what does that mean? I just told the team, hey, I'm not going up. I want to take my chances being a free agent. Oh. Depending on yourself. Got it. Pretty much.

I had my opt out. I think we were in Durham the week before Korea was offering me. And they were offering me the max for the prorated amount, I think we were in Durham and like the week before Korea was offering me. Um, and it was like, they were offering me like the max, like for the pro rated amount, I think somewhere around there. Um, that's just really far. And I was stressing out. Like, I just remember it. Um, I was like sitting outside my hotel, uh, my

family wasn't with me and I'm just like pulling my hair out, sitting on the steps. Like, I don't know what to do. Like they wanted a decision. I got a call like a Tuesday morning. They wanted the decision the Tuesday night. I was like, I need you guys to buy me more time. I think like Wednesday, I ultimately turned it down.

Pitched Thursday, did really well. And then the first of the month was coming up July 1st, my agent said like, Hey dude, like you turned Korea down, we're taking your upper mobility, like you're opt out. So basically the team, the Phillies had to like put me on the table for all the other teams to possibly take and if anyone wanted me, then the Phillies had to decide if they wanted

to protect me or not. Ah. So kind of putting the pressure on. So you force yourself, they protect you, then you go up automatically? Yeah, you have to be on the 26th. Oh, so you force their hand. Kind of force their hand.

That's kind of baller. It felt weird, because I told my age, whatever man, I trust you guys. And I knew, I think the first day that teams were interested and now it was up to the Phillies. So the second day, I was getting some calls like, hey, this might happen. Right.

There was some weird scenarios where it was like, if you pitch might happen. Right. Um, there was like some weird scenarios where it was like, if you pitch this day, then you're going up with this team. If you pitch two innings this day, then you're going to be in the bullpen this day. And if you don't pitch at all, you're being traded like, okay. So I'm just, again, still stressing out,

don't know what's going on. And my manager called me, um, on a double header day when I was supposed to pitch the night game and he said, where are you? I was like, I'm at home. It's nine 30. Why would I be at the field? Right.

I'm pitching at seven. He goes, well, what if we needed you? And I was like, why would you need me pitching at seven? He's like, Oh, well with the roster change. She's like, just get in here now. I'm like, my pitching coach is texting me like, Hey, like, uh, like where the fuck are you, man?

Like, you gotta be here. I'm like, oh, dude. So I'm thinking they're canceling my start and I'm being traded. Showed up to the field and they hit me with, kind of like a prank like you were talking about. They hit me with, like, why weren't you here? Like, you're late.

I was like, no, I'm not. They said, well, you think you can do whatever you want? I said, no, I don't. Well, what, do you think you're a big league or like, no, I'm not. They said, well, you think you can do whatever you want? I said, no, I don't. Well, what do you think? You're a big league or something? Yeah, I do. They're like, okay, well good. Cause you are.

But like, I already knew like two days before, so it wasn't like this magical thing and then they didn't know what move they were making for me yet. So, uh, I just sat at this. I sat in AAA for like another two days not doing anything until the team was able to make a roster move. Was everyone judging you being like, oh, you're you're a big leaguer. They just thought I was lying. He said, what the

fuck are you still doing here, man? What do you just like want to watch this series? Like, I don't know. The rules of, or the, like just the roster rules of baseball is unbelievable to me. I've never heard of the upper mobility clause It's you know, people always ask how much longer are you gonna be with this team? I go I don't know they have control over me for forever

Yeah, it's so weird and they come from them too. Like a lot of guys told me these never work And I'm like what would be the like if you if you do it and no one traits you then you just shit on a lot Yeah, pretty much. Yeah your team knows. Yeah. They're like, yeah, fuck this guy. It's like practice squad in the NFL, except if you have a downside to making the practice squad too. Yeah, that's crazy. With you, Kyle, you have a different story because when you got brought up, or you made the team after spring training, right?

And then you just didn't play. So they were like, you know, we got to send you back down because you're not getting any at bats. Yeah. So that's kind of crazy. It's like I made it. But then through something outside of my control, I'm no longer in the big leagues. Yeah, that was that was 23 for me. I had pretty good spring made the team and just wasn't playing.

And, you know, I had a pretty good 22 and thought, you know, maybe I was going to get the chance to play more frequently. And but, you know, obviously, with the Orioles, there was a ton of good players. And, you know, definitely some mind games happens with that when you feel like you're doing everything in your control and then still not kind of cracking the roster consistently. Yeah. What's it, I always wondered this in minor league baseball,

like is it weird, you're playing with your teammates and these are guys that are your teammates, but you're also competing against them every single day. Is that a weird feeling to be like, Hey, I know we're all on the same team here trying to win games, but at the end of the day, like I want to do better than you because I want to get called up before you get called up. Yeah. I mean, I think of it as kind of like an iron sharpens iron. You know what I mean? Like you're all trying to, you know, kind of lift each other up by pushing each other. And you know, I've always kind of felt like for me that if I take care of my stuff,

then like I'll end up where I'm supposed to be. Yeah. I agree with that. I don't think that anything good really comes from like trying to compete with a guy like, oh, like I'm going to beat you out. Like, I think if you, at least in my experience, like I just try to help everyone. Like just being a good teammate,

you're going to learn something from the next guy. And you don't know who you want people in your corner. Right. You don't want to like get people like, oh, like this guy don't know who, you want people in your corner. You don't wanna like get people like this guy. Don't be, he's not a good teammate. Right, yeah. I'm sure there are some guys in the minor. You can feel it. Yeah, and they get frustrated probably.

Did you guys ever have a moment where you're like, it's not gonna work out, like I'm done with baseball? I feel like having semi-frequently, a couple of different times, whether it's performance or injuries, you know I had a lot of injuries and then to 23 I'm getting like hitting the face at the end of the year and like felt very very far by by the pitch Yeah, like how fast yeah 93 fastball. Why don't you turn dude? I

I would have ducked. That's a shitty thing for me to say. Hey bro, did you think about turning? You know what I'm saying? I've said that before. And then I actually wanted to show my toughness, so I just stayed in there a little bit longer. Yeah. Just kept my eye on the ball.

Bounced right back up. We were gonna hit you. Like right, like kinda like in between my eye and my nose. Next time you get up to bat after that, are you, it's gotta be in your head a little bit, right? Yeah, so I missed like two weeks, and the rest of the year when I was facing lefties, I was like stepping out of the box,

like I was scared of the ball for, you know, for the rest of the season, which was only a couple more weeks, but it took me a little bit to get comfortable in there again. Yeah, that's a natural reaction, I would imagine. Like if there's something wrong with you, if you get back in, you're like, I'm not afraid of it.

Hit me again. Yeah, I did a ton of stuff with, we had a bunch of performance psychologists with the Orioles or performance coaches and a couple of them worked with the Navy. And so, it was also really humbling to talk to them about something I was scared of from a performance standpoint

because it's also like, oh, you guys deal with people who actually deal with life and death. And so, it put me in a little bit of my place. I love that. They're like, oh, you're afraid of the baseball? It's not a grenade, but yeah. Yeah. You'll be okay.

It's a live round. Have you, Tyler, have you done sports psychology with for pitching? I mean, pitching pitchers, I feel like that's such a mental game. It's pretty big, yeah. I was fortunate like with when I was with the Rangers when I got drafted, had a really good peak performance

coach over there. Just pushing like routines, pushing all like the mental stuff. Staying confident, you know, it's weird. Like a lot of stuff goes hand in hand, like confidence and success. Like confidence leads to success, success leads to confidence, it's weird.

But yeah, just staying on top of stuff. Like I've been, I took up reading a little bit. Like once I had my Tommy John, just finding a way to just get better. I just, I like think I took up reading. A little bit. What do you read? A lot of like self-help books.

Stuff that just helps the mind, I guess. Yeah. Did you go straight from high school to, to, uh, Yeah, straight from high school. What, double A? No, it was different. B.A. is different now. That's what everyone does.

I went high school to rookie ball, A.Z.L. Okay. And surprise Arizona. Do you didn't think about going to college? I don't think I could have. Oh, really? I did not take up reading at that time in my life. So, uh. Kyle went to Stanford. He's, is he the smartest guy in the clubhouse? Are you? Don't think I could have oh really I did not take up reading it that

Is you the smartest guy in the clubhouse are you I don't know I don't know it's an effort I did Communications okay Communicator yeah at Stanford are the other baseball players cool there or the cool guys on campus like the Silicon Valley We're gonna be you know heading some AI company next year guys? Yeah, I'd say probably more those guys, the baseball guys. Some people care about sports, some people don't. You'd be surprised by how many people are not out on a Friday night. Did you meet any of those future billionaires? I feel like I did not do a good enough job of networking there. Yeah, you should have.

I was like kind of just in my own world trying to survive a little bit. You should have given like cool kid classes. Yeah. It's been like come hang with the baseball player. Yeah, you wanna see how we party? Yeah, just like learn locker room etiquette. You always knew the athletes on campus

because of the red backpack. If they had the red Nike backpack or like the Gatorade like water bottle, I'd tell you knew who the athletes were, yeah. That's it, yeah. You can't just go out and buy the red backpack? I think you Gatorade like water bottle. I tell you new who that's for. Yeah. You can't just go out and buy the red backpack. I think you can. But if you do, stolen.

So so Kyle, with you, you know, the importance of routines, we're talking about pitching. But for hitting, I'm always fascinated by the different routines guys get into in the batter's box and how kind of pitch clock might have screwed some of those up. Like you look at dudes like back in the day no more would have like yeah, yeah ten different things You can't do that with a pitch clock now. How did you come up with your batting routine? Yeah, like pre pitch Yeah, like yeah for me deep breath and I look at the name on my bat

I used to look at the logo when we had metal bats cuz it looked like a field But I look at the name I bat I just and I just remind myself that I'm the same guy playing the same game. And that nothing's changed, and I try to just get in the present moment. Just lock in, like tunnel vision. Yeah. Yeah, so what about you on the mound?

Yeah, I mean, that breath is important. I don't necessarily love the pitch clock. Yeah. But you get used to it. I think in the beginning, I was really sped up, where, especially out of the bullpen, I was a starter before, so it's not that far of a run, or I usually walk out of the dugout.

But yeah, I get on the mound, and now you feel the heart rate going, you feel the adrenaline, so you have to take, make sure the breath isn't fake. That makes sense. I just try to make sure that I'm doing it so the dugout can see it, even if they can't, like it feels right. And then at that point, you know, you're in the game,

like it's, it's, you're going to war. So my thing, I took it from Mike Tyson. He's always stared his opponent down in the eyes. And when he, when they broke eye contact, he knew he won. Ooh. So that's kind of something that I do. Um, I'm not as scary as Mike Tyson, but it's makes me feel, makes me feel like, Hey, like it's on now.

Remember the Madison Bumgarner with the, uh, ump stare down. Yeah. That was all. Which up was that? Was that angel? I can't remember. I don't remember. That went on for like a minute and a half

Yeah, just stood there staring. Yeah, I don't know how the umpire kept that going. Yeah. Yeah, yeah Kyle this is a dumb question because I I'm assuming the answer is just gonna be it was fucking sweet But how how awesome was it to hit a walk-off home run? Wow. Oh my gosh. Yeah, you hit one before in any other like level I like a summer ball of like like in between college season during the summer you play a random team and I did one then never in the big leagues that I had a walk off. And you hit it off a very good closer and makes the Miller. Yeah. Yeah. It was crazy. So when you when you hit it, were you it, did you go extra slow around the bases?

I would take so long going around the base if I hit a walk off home run. It would take me like five minutes. Yeah, I mean, to your point, it's just like, I feel like I probably didn't soak it in enough. I hit it and I kinda knew it was getting over his head. I just was kinda watching to see if it was gonna get over the fence or not

and kinda seeing this video, I kinda did like this weird point where I'm kinda going up and down and I can't really tell if it went over the fence or not, but it was gonna get over the fence or not. And kinda seen this video, I kinda did like this weird point where I'm kinda going up and down and I can't really tell if it went over the fence or not. But it was awesome. Yeah, how fast was that pitch that he threw you? It was 101.7. Damn.

What's the fastest pitch that you ever, like I'm sure that you've seen some fast pitches in games, but when you get in the cage, what's the fastest you've ever dialed it up to? Yeah, I feel like the machine, we try to dial it up to like over 100, but you know, it's just, when you do it off the machine and you know it's a fastball coming,

like you kinda like, you know, you can kinda predict a little bit more. I don't think I've ever hit a ball over 100 in a real game before, so that was cool. What was the exit VLO on that? I think it was 107. That's gotta feel good. Yeah.

Do you even feel it when you hit it? No, you don't feel it off the bat. It's the best. It just goes with it. Oh, it's just. You're caught barrel, man. Yeah. There's no feeling like it,

other than going down the middle of the fairway. Yeah. That's the closest thing I think that is like that. When you hit a walk-off, I have to imagine that the trot around the bases is usually faster, because you got the adrenaline. It's like, okay, yeah, you like almost end up sprinting around the bases. But if you hit like a go ahead in the ninth, then you can kind of pimp it got the adrenaline. Okay. Yeah, you like almost end up sprinting around the base

Yeah, but if you if you hit like a go-ahead in the ninth, then you can kind of pimp it a little bit Yeah, yeah, I couldn't pimp that one. I didn't know for sure that I got it Miami's a little bit bigger of a park That would have been the only thing that could have made it better is if I knew it right off the bat and got to kind Of look at it for a little bit You also never be the biggest pimp in that park because Marlins man's there. Yeah, do you guys know Marlins man? No, I think he doesn't come to our games. Yeah, he's still off the team. Like I don't know see away They kind of fucked him over though. Let it be clear. Yeah, all he wanted to do was like throw out every first pitch

Yeah, and you know for dirtier blank check to basically run the Marlins. Yeah, so you want to be the GM Yeah, I want to have Marlins man appreciation day at the park He wanted like six tickets for him and his mermaids that he brings Yeah, it's really yeah all the reasonable stuff two things missing from Marlins is the giant fish statue in centerfield I know they moved it outside the park But the giant fish that would jump on the air at a home run and then Marlins man not being there It's it's kind of I yearn for the days of like 2018 you know Marlins man showing up to the,

yeah, he was, that was his heyday. I have a dumb hypothetical for you guys and this works because hitter pitcher, uh, you, I don't know, you probably didn't see it, but, uh, last week Ryan Presley, the, the Cubs closer had maybe the worst outing I've ever seen. Uh, he had, uh, he gave up eight earned runs, a walk, five hits, zero outs. So 25 pitches, zero outs, eight earned runs, a walk, five hits, zero outs. So 25 pitches, zero outs, eight earned runs. I think I honestly could get an out before that because it would fuck you up so bad

that I'm throwing 55 miles an hour and like you'd probably fly one out. Do you think that's fair? I think so, I think that's fair. I mean, have you seen a position player when they come in? It's the weirdest thing. Like if usually when you bring in a position player,

your team's given up a ton of runs. Right. And the position player will come in and get three out super quick and everyone's just like. Right. So no time. So no how is one of our good relievers. Yeah.

So you think that I could get a single out in a big league game, just be just, and again, it's obviously not like I'm striking anyone out. It's just they would hit one to the warning. Then you get three outs. Yeah. Like honestly. Not at all, Max has to do that.

He gets a triple A team. Somebody, the ball is bound to go to somebody. Yeah. Like there's no, like it just goes against odds for the ball to just keep landing in the grass somewhere. Right. It's like the weirdest thing because like when you face a position player as a hitter,

it turns into like this like fear-based thing. If I don't want to strike out, what if I get out versus like you know when you're facing a real pitcher you're like you're locked in yeah and you know that he's gonna be actually planning his pitches and you can kind of like get inside and say okay this feels like a fastball this feels like maybe some off-speed stuff if it's a guy from the outfield it's like here comes some junk that I'm not gonna have any idea you know how to hit it's gonna be 55 miles per hour right yeah yeah no we did we have a Dingers only league fantasy league where it's just home runs

Because we don't really like fantasy fantasy sports are just confusing and annoying after a while So we just do home runs and loser has to pitch against a college team last year PFT pitched against UIC Did well I got I think they scored three runs in two in rings. Oh, yeah, so I was pretty pumped about it Yeah, but again, I was like so slow. I was pitching. I think it was like 68 69. Yeah, but I was pretty wild Yeah, it was pretty nice big cat was behind the plate. So I had a nice big target Yeah, I did. Yeah, I did drop a third strike but threw him out after yeah Yeah, how bad did your arm feel after it was very sore the next day very very sore Yeah, was that all you had that I gave it everything like you were letting it go There were a couple where I was like I was like I'm really gonna dial it up

Like the position players coming and just flip it like I'm 40 years old there were a couple where I'm like You know what? I'm gonna reach back and really let this one eat And I think those got all the way up to like 71 point five How fast could you throw just playing catch? Like not even trying to throw hard? Ah, I don't know. But you're probably in like the mid 70s, right? It's probably, yeah, I guess.

If I'm taking it easy, probably. Wait, what's the fastest fastball you've thrown? 97. Okay. Trying to get it up there. That's pretty sick. When you guys were in Little league, were you just dominant? Oh yeah.

Were you just scaring people? Yeah, I was a really good little league pitcher. Good hitter too, but I was, yeah, I think I threw 72 at 12. Holy shit. I feel like if you're a major leaguer, you're probably the best little leaguer in your town. It has to be, sir.

It just has to correlate that. Yeah. I know, but then there's some of those guys that like, come on like, grow early. Right. And then there's some of those guys that grow early, and then they stop growing after that 13, 14 years old, and then they kind of plateau. Hank is kind of like that. Hank was a great little leaguer, because he was also, he had the age thing

where he was the oldest team. Slightly older. Good birthday, yeah. I was younger. I was two years above for everything. Did you guys play other sports? Played basketball in high school. Were you good? Yeah, I was younger. Yeah, I was like two years above for everything. Did you guys play other sports? Played basketball in high school. Were you good?

Yeah, I was pretty good. I mean, I played a small high school, but I was decent. Yeah. Were other parents scared of you when you were pitching? It's like, I don't want my son in the box against that guy. Me? Yeah. New Jersey baseball, I mean, I threw strikes,

but I threw hard, so maybe. Yeah. Maybe, yeah, New Jersey, like if you're throwing over 90, you're like Nolan Ryan. Yeah. So. I feel like Southern California, like they just, everyone's a baseball player.

Yeah. They just, MLB players just sprout out of the ground there. Normal for them. Yeah, 100%. Yeah, I actually have, I remember when I was like, not T-ball, but it was like when, you know, started being like player pitch, not coach pitch. And I remember crying one time,

cause there was one guy who hit a person and I was like kind of coming up next. And I remember like crying cause I didn't want to get in the box. That's funny. That's funny. That's probably like every bit of like six years old, but. Yeah.

I got a dodger, man. Not good at dodging the ball. I got hit in the face. Yeah, we gotta learn on that. It's hard. I don't know what, I could teach you some tips. I'm a big pussy. Yeah, not it not good at dodging the ball in the face I could teach you some some tips. I'm a baby. Yeah, I'm just terrified of the ball. Yeah Yeah, really good at not getting hit by it. I just don't even try hey we We threw this out there to the Brewers

And I know Kyle you play in the outfield so you can't probably do this, but Tyler, maybe you can. Why don't you guys do a hidden ball trick? Um, I can try one time this year. Look, cause it looks, it looks like you look like a pussy, I guess. Yeah, but still, it works though. Yeah. I had a kid try to do that for me in short season. Like I was throwing pretty well and he came up to me, like someone got on third somehow and he comes up to me, he goes, Tyler, give me the ball.

I was like, why? I'm pitching, I gotta throw this ball. He's like, no, just give me it, trust me. And he walks out, I give him the ball, he walks over to third, he stands there, and like the ball's dead, like it's not even in play. And he like goes and tags the guy, and the umpire's like, what are you doing?

So like I felt stupid, my coach was like, what the fuck are you doing, dude? Like I'm like, yeah, that's never happening again. I will never let that ever happen. Especially in like short season. Yeah. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter at all. Have you ever successfully talked your manager out of not pulling you in a game? I love when pitchers do that. I think that's a haas thing you gotta have. Yeah. I don't think it's ever worked,

because trying to protect you, especially how baseball is now, I feel like Tommy John's just a normal thing. Yeah. I've definitely tried. I didn't think Philly was gonna let me go. I had my whole speech ready to go, too. It was the eighth inning in my CG.

Yeah, you're completely, you got a complete game shut out. Yeah, I had it all ready. I was like it was the eighth inning in my, in my CG. And I was like, you're complete. He got it. You got a complete game. Shut out. Yeah. I was, I had it all ready. I was sitting down in the tunnel, like legs bouncing. I'm like, if he comes in here and tries to pull me, I know what I'm going to say. Like there's no way I'm letting this happen.

Um, but yeah, other, other than that, like, I don't think the managers are all they let you go. I even try here. Like I'm a reliever. Right. Yeah. Nah, dude, I'm good. Like, let me keep going.

He's like, we need you tomorrow. Yeah. How, how fun is it in the outfield for relievers? Like I'm a reliever. No, dude, I'm good. Like, let me keep going. He's like, we need you tomorrow. Yeah. How, how fun is it in the outfield for relievers? Cause I feel like that would be a really fun, like the guys just hanging out. I know it obviously once it gets later in the innings, you're like, oh, yeah, when I first got here, I was a stick in the mud, man. I was trying, I was so locked in, like I'm like studying hitters.

Cause like I'm a starter. Like I was a starter and I didn't know how it all worked. Now I'm kind of keeping it loose. Like it's, it's still the Bailey's. Like you still need to be locked in for the most part, but like the minor leagues, you know, everyone's like beef gazing or whatever. Like just trying to, trying to see who's out there. Like what the talent's like.

Yeah. And now I just, now I just mess around one of our bullpen catchers, he came up from like high or something. And I just mess around with him the whole time. Just try to learn Spanish. He's a, he's a Mexican kid trying to learn some Spanish, teach him some English, a lot of bad words, dude. Yeah. Bullpen catcher.

That's gotta be the best gig. I mean, he, the kid was in Beloit. Is that, is that what it is? He was in Beloit and you that what it is? He was in Beloit and he misses playing obviously. I love the dude so far, but you're in the Bayleagues, dude. He got to see LA, he's in Chicago right now for a week. Just catching full-band team, good hotels. Does he get treated like he's on the team or is it kind of?

I mean, I try to treat him. Buy the kid drinks at the hotel, sometimes I'm like, I mean, I try to treat him. Yeah. Like, I mean, I buy the kid drinks, like at the hotel. So I was like, come here, like where are you going? Yeah. Yeah. Uh, you know, they take care of me. Yeah. He's out there getting, taking a beating like every single night, like bullpens, whatever. Uh, I think that's probably honestly a pretty cool gig. Yeah. Would you used to get nervous on days that you had to start? Um, sometimes like, I think like depends. Like if I had a bad outing, the one before I'm like, Oh shit, here we go.

Fuck man. I hope this doesn't go bad again. Um, I think like Seattle last year I got banged up and I had LA literally like the Dodgers, the next, the next series or the next game I was like, fuck. Yeah. Dude, I got Shohei leading off. I was like, a little nervous. Once you throw the first pitch, you're good. Yeah. I feel like that's gotta be a change mentally going from a, being a starting pitcher to a relief pitchers. Like you could,

any given day you go to the ballpark, you could have the bowling. Yeah. See, that's, see, that's where it's different. Like starting, I knew, like I knew how to like, it was like a buildup relieving. It's like, you could go in at any point. I don knew, like I knew how to like, it was like a buildup. Yeah. Relieving, it's like, you could go in at any point. I don't, like we don't have many like set roles with this team. Like everybody could go in at any point. I just know that I'm one of the longer guys,

but if they need me in a close game, it's like, you gotta be ready for that. And like you feel the blood flowing. I don't think it's a little nerves, little butterflies, but it's a lot of just like the adrenaline. Like you just feel it, like leaving your brain, just coursing through your body. It's crazy. Do you pitch differently coming in as a reliever as opposed to getting a starting?

Like if you're, if you're starting the first inning, top of the first, you know who you're going to be facing. Yeah. I mean, all the game planning is a, is a starter. I was talking to Matt Strong about it last year. So yeah, starters, like the SWAT team, man. Like you get everything, all the planning, like you know the map of everything, you know who's hitting what, who isn't.

Relievers, you pay attention to the game, but he told me, hey man, just go in and throw your best shit. Like you got your plan. If whatever you do to lefties, do it to lefties. Whatever you do to righties, do it to righties. Like just go out there and try to throw it as hard as you can. Don't bring the team VELO down. Don't bring the bullpen VELO down

and don't bring the ERA up. I was like, okay, cool. Kyle, how many home runs are you gonna hit this year? You have seven. Yeah, seven. I think, so. You hit two home runs in two separate games. So maybe we gotta, I mean, keep doing that,

but like spread it out a little too. Yeah, no, I mean, keep doing that, but like spread it out a little too. Yeah, no, I mean, it'd be a huge honor to get drafted in that Dingers Only league. I'll just put that, put my name in the hat there. All right. I mean, seven home runs is not like that's, you could be, you could be a pick in that league. I'm trying to put a little bit of an audition tape out for you guys right now.

For sure. If it was dynasty. It also helps that I have your phone number now because I might call you and do a draft video being like, hey, you wanna play for my team? Kind of like what you guys did with Gunnar last year. Yeah, right, yeah, yeah. You wanna get on the team? Okay, so how many are you gonna hit though?

Yeah. Make your pitch to us for the Dingers Only League. Yeah, I mean, seven home runs. I think it's a decent start. It's not necessarily, I think, you know, it's a decent start, you know, it's not necessarily a league leader, but I think it's a good number. You know, I've always considered myself to get better as the year goes on. So that's good. Cause the league doesn't start till July. Yeah. We just let half the season. So what if I made a promise to save some? Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Post all star break. You do need to get, you need to be in, to basically be drafted in the Dingers Only League is like somewhere in July, you need to be in like the top 10 in your position group because that's basically how we draft is everyone just looks at how many runs have been hit and we're just like, all right, that guy's going to keep doing that. So like if I hit my grand slam, like right before the draft, I'd have been like huge for like every Q. Oh yeah. Yeah, but I mean, that's almost too huge. Cause I don't wanna have to compete

against anybody to draft you. Yeah. Like I want you to be my hidden gem that I pick up. Yeah. But yeah, if you gotta hit a couple grand slams, and I would probably encourage that. Yeah. No, I mean, in all seriousness,

I think like 20 is a cool number, but I think I have the ability to do more than that. Bullpen's been talking, we're putting a bounty out for like 35. Ooh! I'm serious, dude, we're putting a bounty out for like 35 Serious dude, we play the hat game out there. There's a hat down for you every single at bat. Oh Yeah, I know I know a pressure on you, but that is $20 coming out of all of our pockets. Yeah Well, I mean if I start to play poorly, I'll just blame you guys then okay

You ever need BP we got you to Tyler we got to bring, your son hates Blooper. Yeah. Is he scared of him or he hates him? Maybe a little bit of both. Shit, we can't show weakness. Maybe a little bit of both. He just hates him.

Well, now he's getting bigger, so I think he understands. Right. Like I've tried to groom him into a fanatic guy. Wait, Blooper's getting bigger? I mean, he's fat. Blooper's a fat fuck. Yeah, no, my son's getting bigger. Uh, he's getting a little bit more brave with mascots. Okay. Um,

and I've had the conversation with my, with my girl too. Like she, she thinks I'm lying. I don't know. You've got, you guys found an article. Was it an article that I said that? She would have told me that I was playing. How would I know? But yeah, I just, I think he just doesn't, doesn't fuck with him, man. Like, like I've groomed him to like the fanatic, man. That's my guy. That's, that's like a smart kid, a four year old being like, I don't fuck with that. He doesn't like any mascots, but the fanatic he's friendly with, okay. Like a little bit more so than the others.

Yeah. Yeah. So you said, uh, after your MLB debut, about your son, he was crying after the game. I was hoping it was happy tears, but he was really just scared of the Braves mascot He doesn't watch now, I hope he watches the games now, but he wasn't watching then yeah, he just went where's the playground? Where's the play? Give me some treats. Where's the cotton candy? I cared about yeah the treats of games Yeah, I take my kids to games and it's just like, I have to like basically have a manager like having like a, or a set plan for the, for the game being like, all right, first thing we're doing hot dog. The third inning we're going to do some candy. Yeah. Fourth time maybe we'll mix

in a pretzel. I couldn't even imagine what it's like for, for my girlfriend, like to, to even try to manage that. Yeah. Luckily like the Phillies they had, they had like their, they, like to even try to manage that. Yeah. Luckily like the Phillies, they had like their, they had like a daycare system going on. That's pretty sick. So like they had like their kids play room. He was just, he was just there and she got to,

she got to sit back and relax for once. Um, but like the minor league games. Oh yeah. That's gotta be miserable. Yeah. What's the, what's the biggest difference behind the scenes for you guys going from minor leagues to major leagues, like the spread in the clubhouse.

Yeah, it's definitely huge. Bread, um, flying commercial, like you usually find out like 6 a.m. on Mondays, dude. The bus rides were brutal. Yeah. Longer bus rides. Um, locker rooms aren't as nice. Hotels aren't as nice.

Um, food's not as good. Yeah. You pretty much just turned into a king like overnight. Yeah. It's like, like you, it's. into a king like overnight. Yeah, it's like cool like you it's Pays less. Yeah is less. What who's got the best clubhouse in the majors? I'd say for a visitor Yankees or Rangers or the Yankees the Rangers brand new. Yeah

He's just had their food the visiting food. There's unbelievable. Do you think they do that on purpose trying to fatten you guys? Yeah, slow you down what was the spread it's always like some form of steak fish and like chicken and then sometimes there's like a pasta bar and then there's a carving station it's crazy yeah carvings I would get so fat do any teams have like a frozen yogurt machine two of them the red socks yeah, and the one we just went Seattle Yeah, that's they got like Oreos and M&Ms The guys

Got one in Miami I want to be in Major League Baseball just for the ice just That's pretty sick. It's like a golden corral every time you go to a different ballpark. Yeah, I mean you always have options It's like a golden corral every time you go to a different ballpark. Yeah, I mean you always have options It's crazy. How long after a game does it take you guys to like actually wind down and go to sleep? Is it like are you wired for a long time? Yes, I mean pitching yes, I don't know how you guys are could you play every day, but but pitching once you're out there I mean you're At the earliest it's like two o'clock really. Yeah, like you're just wired

I usually just go home get on the game or something. Yeah wire myself up a little bit more at the earliest, it's like two o'clock. Really? Yeah, like you're just wired. I usually just go home, get on the game or something. Yeah. Wire myself up a little bit more. Yeah. Until the crash happens. Yeah. Yeah, I usually stay up till about, probably one,

stay at the clubhouse for a little bit while after to try to wind down. So I don't bring anything home to my wife. Yeah, that's smart. That's a big thing, man. That's very smart. I think a lot of guys try to rush out. Like, I don't know what you're rushing to. Because we've been in there, yeah. Yeah, that's smart. That's a big thing. That's very sweet. I think a lot of guys try to rush out. I don't know what you're rushing to.

Cause we've been in there. We're usually like last year. And it's like 30 minutes after the game, like where is everyone? I picked that up from like Nola. He had his little corner, you know, a little whiskey corner where a lot of the guys would just go over there

and you just decompress, talk the game. It's good for team building too. I like talking about the game for sure with It's good for team building too. Yeah. I like talking about like the game for sure with someone. Yeah. What game do you play when you get home? A lot of them, mainly Cod. Yeah.

Nice. You got a squad? Couple boys back home. Yeah. Big Soldier, Ben Merckx, I'll shout them out. It's my guys, I got Demayonnaise. Yeah. Demayonnaise?

Yeah. Couple boys from back home. Shout the mayonnaise. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Couple of boys from back home. Shout out to man. It's demand is you said big soldier. Big soldier. Yeah. Soul like S O U L.

Of course. Yeah. Of course. Love that. Yeah, man. We, uh, we get going. Those are my late night guys. Uh, the man is married now.

So he's, he's the daytime guy. I would love to see him demand his wedding. Just mayo everywhere. Just mayo and mayo and mayo. Mayo cake, yeah. Yeah, man, it's a lot of gaming. That's like one of my vices. Yeah.

Max, do you have any questions for these guys? Because Max at one point wanted to be a big leaguer. He played college ball at Hofstra. Matt stares at the CAA. No big deal. Shut up, Matt Starr. Do you have any questions about big league life? He played college ball at Hofstra Matt stairs of the CAA. No big deal questions about big league life I mean, I

Don't really have many questions about big league life to be honest. No, I never really thought I was gonna be a big leaguer I just wanted to play college baseball just to like tell people I played college baseball and then when I got there I was like this sucks tell people I played college baseball, and then when I got there, I was like, this sucks. That wouldn't be the first time I heard that. Yeah, so then I played two, I played redshirted one year, played one year, and I was like, this is it for me. You said summer ball, summer ball's the worst.

The first year I didn't wanna do it, and then I just didn't play my freshman year a lot, and I was like, okay, I have to do it. Why is summer ball the worst? Just because you're living in someone else's house? Because you play so much baseball all year round and you're like waking up at 5 a.m. And then you finally finish the season and you're like, nice, summer's here. And then it's like, nope, you have to move to like Wisconsin.

Live with a host family. Live with a host family and play every single day again. What's that like moving into just a totally random stranger's house and being like hey I'm kind of gonna be a son for you for two months I've been pretty lucky with my experiences but it is it is different it's just weird going into it you know and you're kind of just like you have your bag and you walk in you're like well nice to meet you and those, do those families get paid? Do they get a stipend?

I think so. They get like, they get something, some form of compensation. Yeah. I think they're just, they're big fans too. Yeah. Like I did it in the minor leagues, short season. You hear some crazy stories about like guys,

like staying with like families that have like daughters. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You hear some crazy stories. There was one, I threw out a first pitch when we used to live in New York, in the Hamptons. And that seemed like a pretty good summer league. Yeah, yeah, yeah wants a ball player grandson The Hamptons was like this the summer league transplant of like all the kids on my team Yeah, and I like chose not to do the Hamptons Lee. Why well I went to California. I played in like the West Coast League Yeah, that's what I play there. Yeah, and I thought that it was gonna be in like the West Coast League. Yeah, I played there.

Yeah, and I thought that it was gonna be like way better baseball, but it was brutal. I lived in this house with like 15 other guys. What teams did you play for? The San Francisco, like we weren't even like, it was also this guy like pitched me on the West Coast League and like wasn't a real West Coast League team. It was the San Francisco Seals.

Stephen Kwan was on my team though, so that was cool. Oh really, yeah. That kinda sounds like the California league I don't know we played teams on the West Coast in the West Coast okay, but It we had like ten guys living in one house with like the the GM Sounds like a good time, and it was like no it was not a good time. It was a bad time I feel like the point like everyone else on my team playing in the Hamptons League with like the sickest set up ever.

My one buddy lived in a guest house of this like super rich person on the beach. So he had his own house on the beach in the Hamptons and then he played. He was a pitcher. He like pitched every fifth day and then just chilled. So hard. Sounds like a big leader.

Yeah. Is the point of summer ball if you're a hitter just to track pitches all the time? Because if you don't track pitches That sounds like a big leader. That's pretty good. Is the point of summer ball, if you're a hitter, just to track pitches all the time? Because if you don't track pitches, that's a big part that you lose? Yeah, I think you just, generally speaking, in baseball for hitters,

it's just getting as many at-bats as you possibly can. And so you see guys, if they get injured and miss a lot of the season, they'll go play winter ball now in the DR or something like that. So I think it's just always about getting as many at-b bats as you possibly can, because pitchers need more rest time for their arms

and hitters, you can just keep going. Yeah, we were talking to Schwaber, when he came, it was after he came back from his ACL, and he said that when they were thinking about bringing him back up for the playoffs, he just stood in the batter's box and would track like a thousand pitches, not even swing, just to like watch pitches come in.

What's the longest you've ever been without stepping into the box, whether it's against the machine or a person. Yeah. I'd say during the off season, I usually don't pick up a bat from October till I try to get as close as I can to January. Cause like when my mind, when I start picking it back up, I can't stop thinking about it.

Yeah. Um, so usually about two months, I would say. Yeah. Yeah. Um, all right. This has been two months, I'd say. Yeah. Yeah. Um, all right This has been awesome guys. I got one last question. It's a row back question RHOBACK.com promo code take 20% off your first purchase row back.com promo code take Uh, this is a good question because you guys are obviously in different spots during the game kyle

You're in the dugout teller. You're out, uh in the bullpen if there's a brawl How what's your move when you when you I I love the bull when the bullpen, if there's a brawl, what's your move when you, I love the bullpen, when the bullpen runs out it's always so funny because you guys are always so late and it's just like it's already over. But what's your move?

Are you trying to brawl or are you just going and just trying to separate things? Have you been part of one? I've been a part of Bench's Clearing. I can't remember who it was with me. I think it was the Blue Jays when I first got called up. And I was in the cage, because when you're coming off the bench,

you're kind of getting ready to pinch it potentially. And the inning ends, we see it on the live feed. So I'm strolling down the stairs, and I get down the stairs and everyone's out of the dugout. And I see everyone's on the field and I run on. You kind of see me running on late. And I was getting texts from people going, oh, you're the last one out of the dugout

for a bench is clear. Yeah, so I think my goal is just to get out there early. Yeah, get out there early, try to find work, look busy. As you're out there, find one guy that you can just kinda grab his shirt, hold one guy a little bit. Yeah, maybe say a couple obscenities and that's, you know, get a couple off.

I wouldn't mind getting in a big old fight. Yeah. I've never been out there earlier. Because it is late just before the pitch is even thrown. I just start running at the pitcher. Yeah. Like I could feel it's about to go down. John boy had a breakdown of the, the Orioles and the

Yankees one recently. And you see the bullpen, like the Yankees waiting for the Orioles guys to get down the stairs, and then like, they're all like running right next to each other. It's like, hey, we could just square up right here. Yeah. There's two fights going on. I wouldn't mind it though.

Like I've had a lot of thoughts about this. For some reason as a starter, like when I was on the mound, if it was me, I think that I'm like John Wick. Like the guys can come at me with a bat, I'm gonna like catch it under my arm. Like Albo and like Nolan Ryan. But yeah, no, I mean. It's good to be mentally prepared for that.

You gotta be mentally prepared. I took some jujitsu during spring training. Yeah, we had the Philly side of guy there, so I'm ready, you might see me like just like crawling on the ground, just scooting around. And I'm ready, I'm ready for whatever. I wanna get in one of the shove the shoving or like just like the like the bouncing around a circle just doesn't do it for me.

You want to be with the actions that you got to you got to make an arrangement with the opposing bullpen by the game like hey if shit goes down it's it's you and I it's like hockey's and goalie. You got to get a big yeah you either pick the biggest guy or don't show up. Yeah. Yeah. All right, well guys, thank you. This has been really, really fun. Best of luck rest of the season. And yeah, Kyle will hopefully be giving you a call when the Dingers only do it. 35.

You ever sprint the first base on a walk? No, I love when people do that. That's a big thing for my team. When we're scouting guys, that's the number one thing we look for. Okay. Usually I kind of like throw my stuff like a little bit of like pissed off that I don't get to hit.

That's kind of like, you know, kind of like try, the vibe I try to get up. I'm gonna take that into account. Yeah. Put my bat down and just sprint and I'll take out my stuff. You're stuck 90, yeah. If you just do it once, I think that's enough

to get you to the top of my big board. Yeah, okay. Or for the fight, maybe just walk to first. Ooh, yeah. Just piss the pitcher off. Yeah. Stand down. Stand and walk, yeah. Walk real Yeah real cuz you're pissed off that he walked you literally go in slow motion All right, thanks boys

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Max, bachelor party. Give it to us. How was it? It was great, it was great. How's the ankle? Nice boys weekend. The was it? It was great. It was great. How's the boys weekend? Um, the ankle is better, is better. I, we were playing some backyard football. I was playing quarterback. You know, we had like a three Mississippi, rushed the quarterback rule.

The pass rush came. I tried to do a little cut and then I rolled my, and I rolled my ankle one way and then I tried to get back to it and then I rolled it the other way max coming back with an with a foot injury was like minus six thousand yeah yeah but it feels a lot better than I am walking pretty normally did you get a relaying it on yeah you were late on so thick you want you like skipped into the office today you the cliff oh good the clip you posted on Saturday I was like oh he's out for like a month it I That's how I felt. That's a thousand percent how I felt. Did you see the picture of it? It was

It was Matt. It was massive and the my wall you entire You might just be your kinkle It was purple. You think my ankle is just purple might be might Frank the tank Did you make any lifelong friends? Yeah of course. Who knows. Who knows. Shout out to the AWL. So yeah of course who knows. Tell us about the toast about the setup. It was about as like cabin in the woods vibe as you could like possibly put cabin in the woods. Best bachelor. So it was a cabin in the woods is what I'm here. Yeah. But like when I said we we had to go to a Walgreens on Saturday or whatever we had to go to a pharmacy on

Saturday morning and you can say Walgreens the closest the closest pharmacy was 25 minutes away. Yeah. That's the best best bachelor party. So when you when you're with your boys and there's not like a oh like let's go out to this bar and then everyone gets you know separated. It's like just the boys hang. It was great. We played. We played a beer dart where everyone just sits in a circle on a lawn and then you put we all had trulies in front of us and then we were throwing darts at each other and if you hit the dart you got it. You got to drink the truly truly We played football. We play wiffle ball All the best people are playing hoops, and then we just did like a bunch of drinking games. It was great It was you know it was great boys bonding such you make a speech

Oh, did you know I made no speech there were no speeches by anyone Do you think you represented us well like they walked away from it being like max is a cool guy those Guys are awesome. Of course we had it. We had a great time We started putting on like YouTube highlights at the end of the at the end of the night. We watched like John Wall highlights Lamar Jackson, hi, it was uh-huh. It was the perfect like and It was the perfect like summation of a boys night. Yeah. And then what about the wild card? The wild card was crazy. The wild card was everything I was expecting the wild card to be.

He wore a dart to his ankle and he just kind of let it sit there. We have a PMTV coming out on Thursday. Jack actually got that part on camera. So you guys were playing lawn darts and then somebody got hit in the ankle with a long dart and they were just like fuck it we ball yeah he also chose to go barefoot when everyone else was wearing like long pants and shoes he was wearing shorts and no feet nor socks love that he had no feet or no shoes yeah that would be crazy that's true wild card crazy if you had no feet no it was a good it was good

I wish I could have played played paintball on Saturday morning, but my I'm telling you I yesterday I couldn't warning I couldn't walk. All right, so we should see how this video does if it does well Maybe we'll run it back for another punishment because it seems like it was good time and it was good time for the AWLs Yeah, no, I think it was good all the way around. That's awesome. Good job, Max Yeah, love my voice and he's walking pretty much actually normally. Yeah, no, I think it was good all the way around. That's awesome. Good job, Max. Yeah, love my voice. And he's walking pretty much actually normally. Yeah, he's fine. Yeah, you're fine. I, you guys are like, you guys are the worst. What do you mean? My, like I, I walked in today thinking that you were going to be like on crutches and you were, you didn't have a limp. I know I felt like that's that's good. I wasted Like thoughts and prayer. No one's in

Post moves. Yeah, what you were you were doing you were doing the dream shake on the boat on the baseline now now we're lying Now we're in fiction. All right. Oh Hank. We didn't ask. Did you have any last thoughts for Mr. Ping Pong. No. A worthy adversary. At least we're the adversary. Yeah. He earned that win. I shouldn't have taken game five off but he you know he made good content he won fair and square have you moved on from thinking that he's around every single corner yeah I'm happy I don't have to see his nonsense anymore I'm only here, I'm never leaving, I'm inside of you, I'm like a parasite. I'm so fucked up. Bing bong, bing bong, bing bong.

He took all the same approach. I want to make a promise to Hanky and all the AWLs, this is it. Mr. Bing bong's gone. Thank Christ. He has no connection. So you're just giving up on the season. No, well he's, he's, he's found a different show. Yeah. I'll be moving on to a, uh, another parcel show called mostly sports where, uh, their cohost, I'll tell you though, I don't, I, and this is no offense to anyone who works on mostly sports. They're so fucking nice.

Like I'm feeling like, like being bonging Hank is like something the entire internet needed me to do. They were all rooting for me. But with Titus, I'm getting like messages like, don't be too mean to Titus. Mr. Bing bong. He's a nice fellow. Yeah. If it was Brandon, then I think you could go even harder. Yeah. But it's nice. Also, uh, Jerry, I, and I want, I want Hank to you and Hank to put a cap on the series, but just as a side, I, my feelings

were hurt today. What you did to me. That was fucked up. Hey, listen, I was at a girls beach volleyball tournament watching my daughters lose every single game. No, no, no. And you in one check said no. We have you on tonight. Yeah. I said so for the, for the AWLs, this is what Jerry thinks of you. He's just, he's, he's thrown us to the side. I was texting with PFT and Jerry and I was like, uh, Jerry said, Hey, Jerry said hey can we get can I get Titus's phone number and I was like yeah no no problem I made a light joke being like no problem we'll have Josh Duhamel on to talk about the Knicks this series we don't need you anymore. I mean we we would take you but we don't need you. It's you just you've just gone on and

then I said hey can you come on tonight to, to a final blow to Hank and no response, no response. And then I put him on, no, hold on, hold on. Then I put them on a text with TJ, the producer, mostly sports been like, Hey TJ, here's Jerry, Jerry TJ. Uh, you know, we're family here. Want to make the connection so that Jerry can go on mostly sports. Jerry responds to TJ instantly being like whenever you need me still no response on the text with me and PFT and then I texted PFT on that texture. I was like Jerry's responding to another text Jane and not responding to us here. It's hurting my feelings and then like an hour pass and he responds again to TJ and not to us. You know who's really good at responding to tech spaghet? Yeah.

Adam Schefter. Yeah. Good point. He is really, really good. That guy never puts his weight. He's got two of them. Great point. Two phones.

Oh my god, PFT, you're so right. I forgot that Jerry was here. Sorry, Jerry. Listen, in my defense, a lot was happening today. That Mexican ship crashed into the Brooklyn But your phone worked for TJ listen, I'm so sorry, I actually missed that text that was in there again I was outside. It was very bright. Yeah Instantly responded to TJ. Oh

No, no, no. It's in the middle of a parking lot. I don't know where the fuck he is. I love that he's always got his car behind him. Yeah. We just lost them. All right. What were you saying? Um, I was saying it was really bright. I couldn't see anything. The second I saw that you would text me, ask me to come on. Of course you guys are my first love, but I do have a little bit of an issue. I texted teach and I was like, Hey TJ, I'd love to come on Titus and TJ was like, well, let me talk to everybody and see if we want mr. Bing pong. I was like, why fuck you man? Like, listen, you always have that mr. You always have a home here. Thank you. Listen, I didn't mean anything. I just

didn't see the text big cat. You know, you're my first love. Like I literally when that hotline ring twice, it happened twice and there was multiple texts that he didn't see. And also he was replying to TJ. Wow. Wow. I sent, he replied to TJ. Then I sent another text he didn't see. Then he replied to TJ again in the glare though. Wow. Wow. I sent he replied to TJ. Then I sent another text he didn't see. Then he replied to TJ again in the glare though. Right. There was glare. So he was seeing something. Yeah. Okay. Listen, listen, a big guy. You used to call me on your cell phone. So I need to listen, listen before, before we put mr. Big bong to sleep. Don't worry. AWL well as Mr. Bing

Bong's done. Next time you see me, I'll be doing a fantasy recap by myself. It'll be great. That's also not true. If the Knicks go to the finals, we want Mr. Bing Bong. Listen, I do have to say, I read all the comments. I, a WLZ, I read your comments and some people are really sick of Mr. Bing bong, okay Like Hank Hank's writing those you're a lot of burn Yeah, you're sure you just listen whatever way the wind blows is whatever you're doing like I'm retiring. Mr Bing bong always back cuz I got one comment Took one game off. I didn't feel it would be right to do that to Jason Tatum

Yeah, you send fucked up voice notes to them privately. That's not fair. Not fair. We haven't disclosed the context. We have not said any of them. Not for air. I got a, Oh man, wouldn't it be fun to just do? Hey, Dr. Bing Bong here. So yes, it was a, uh, a, uh, total, a complete tear of the tendon and, uh, has terrible disease. Yeah. That was pretty funny. Yeah. That was really, really, really, that was the prayer. All right. So what, let's finish this series. I just wanted to, I just wanted to, um, as

we say goodbye to mr. Bing bong, Hank, is it okay if mr. Bing bong just has one last conversation with you as, as the Celtic season is now over? Yeah What a rip chair Alright, um Hey, remember what the AW said to you in the comments before you start Hanky mr. Bing bong here, you know, it's kind of ironic this Celtic season It turns out the Celtics Achilles heel was, uh, well, an Achilles heel. You know what the, uh, you know what the problem is with the Celtics after that terrible, horrific

injury is that no one took control of the team. Like Jordan is taking control of coach Bella checks life. Bing, yeah, Jalen Brown, you know what Jalen Brown, he was, uh, he was supposed to pick up the slack after that horrific injury. You know, I mean all he was really good for was jerking off Josh Hart.

It's a good one. Hey, one for three word is a. Hey, Hanky, word is your boy, Robert Kraft saw that Jalen Brown, Josh Hart play immediately saw him jerking him off and wanted to hire him. He loves getting jerked off. What games? Who doesn't? Hey, hey, listen, Hanky, I gotta say say I've noticed on the show. There's a lot of

Pension a lot of friction between you and max a lot of back and forth a lot of friction Just like Jalen Brown's and on Josh Oh Hey, uh hanky I wanted to apologize Game one of this series. Mr. Bing bong blew out your eardrum. Just like you blew it with Hey, thank you, thank you. You know, this whole series, we got a couple. Thank you. You know, it's so interesting. You know, the Knicks and Celts going toe to toe. Yeah. Speaking of toes, Tiffany, show us your tootsies. We want to tootsies. We don't want to pay for that. Give it to us for free.

By the way I just want to say I'm getting out of big bug character. Yeah I am. I've been on X now for you know usually I do a TV show and they're like hey will you live X and all this stuff and like maybe I get like 10,000 likes and everything when the Knicks won game two and I just started screaming show us your tootsies Tiffany go with your tootsies literally it's I think there's like two million views on that. It's just me going show us your tootsies bing bong show us your tootsies Tiffany why won't you show us your toes. You fact the algorithm. Yeah.

Well, oh yeah. Okay. Here we go. Here's a big closer. You are you ready? Hank? This is it. You and the AWLs don't have to endure Mr. Bing bong anymore.

Um, I'm still working this one out. All right. Let me figure it out. Okay. Um, Hey, Hanky, um, I saw your boss. I saw your boy on a club. She's on Shannon. Sharp's, uh, show. It's so interesting. You know, your boss and you between the Celtics and Shannon sharp, you love chokers. That's actually a good one. I love you. We are drafting great Drake, me and I'm going to send you your hat and I got a little picture

and everything. I'm going to send you a little package for all you endured. I'm sorry. I allegedly hurt your eardrum, which just ended up being a head cold. Yeah. Sorry, Jerry. Congrats. Also, I, we were talking earlier in the show about librarians. The next chapter. And I was wondering

if you could give us any context on librarians. The first chapter. Cause I got worried because I said it looks terrible. And they said Rebecca remains in it, but it was actually that's the old one. Follow us by the way. But what should we be expecting with the librarians? What is it all about? She's tweeting at us because it doesn't follow us. pretty rude um you know um my wife was in the original series the librarians and this is the reboot uh my wife knows everyone who's involved so we don't want to say anything rude but um i i we we haven't seen it but i'm sure it's good it's a great franchise i'm sure

it's good stuff thanks you'll be watching yeah for sure yeah sure. Yeah. Yeah. Look at us, Hank. What a, what a ride, huh? Hank? Yeah, what a ride. Who would have thought two weeks ago in Arizona? This is where things would have ended up. Man, it's crazy. Uh, Jerry, uh, do you want to participate this? The end of the show, you want to participate in numbers three yeah let's go oh who said three somebody already said it hey did shoot oh let me go uh what was it 20 last week let me go 20 let me go 23 okay I will go six I'll go... 75 I'm gonna go 90. I'll go 1 I'll go 99 pug. Hey pug 4 21 sup Jerry. What was your guess memes? 6 makes sense six

Any predictions for 63 Any questions for Nick's paster's everybody Seven makes in six. I think it's gonna be paces and seven. I'm just gonna make sure this team is different Jerry This team is so good. There's no way they lose even a game. I think he's mocking you Jerry We have no idea who's gonna win I really don't Mean like a parking garage like the security's looking at me. I gotta get out of here. All right. All right, Jerry We love you. Love you guys So So So I'm gonna be the one to make you feel better I'm gonna be the one to make you feel better I'm gonna be the one to make you feel better I'm gonna be the one to make you feel better

I'm gonna be the one to make you feel better I'm gonna be the one to make you feel better I'm gonna be the one to make you feel better I'm gonna be the one to make you feel better I'm gonna be the one to make you feel better I'm gonna be the one to make you feel better I'm gonna be the one to make you feel better I'm gonna be the one to make you feel better

I'm gonna be the one to make you feel better I'm gonna be the star, I'm gonna be a star I'm gonna be a star, I'm gonna be a star I'm gonna be a star, I'm gonna be a star I'm gonna be a star, I'm gonna be a star I'm gonna be a star, I'm gonna be a star Thanks for watching!