Pardon My Take - Tracy McGrady, Warriors Back In The Finals, The Heat Are Dead And Fyre Fest Of The Week

Episode Date: May 27, 2022

The Warriors are back in the Finals for the 6th time in 8 years and we're back rooting for how much fun they can be. (00:02:13-00:12:55) Big Cat might be dying after the picture of he, pft, and Tracy McGrady is put on the internet. (00:12:56-00:20:17) We talk Heat/Celtics and Nathan MacKinnon scoring the coolest goal ever. (00:21:24-00:36:09) Tracy McGrady joins the show to talk about his one on one basketball league, the biggest what if from his career, who he has winning the finals, and of course his enormous pants. (00:37:23-01:17:45) We finish with Fyre Fest of the week and a soft hand contest. (01:18:52-01:42:02)You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/PardonMyTake

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Welcome to part of my take presented by Visible.com slash pod, get unlimited single line wireless for as low as $25 a month. Today is Friday, May 27th. And welcome to summer official start of summer. We made it, boys. It's summer. So that means Mount Rushmore season right around the corner, right around the corner. And the Warriors, the other, the alternates start to the show is the Warriors

are back in the finals, a stat that makes perfect sense. But when you look at it, it's like, what the hell is going on? The Warriors under Steve Kerr are 18 and 0 in series in the Western Conference. 18 and 0 in series in the Western Conference. You see it and you're like, how's that possible? And you're like, oh, yeah, they didn't make the playoffs when everyone was injured. And they made the finals every single year. Incredible.

And we've talked about it, you know, throughout these playoffs that this feels like the crowning achievement for this group to be able to go back there after all the injuries after Katie came and left after, you know, guys are in and out and they've rebuilt themselves with that core of Clay, Steph and Traymond and Steve Kerr there and back in the finals. We don't make excuses for injuries, but I'm willing to make a giant excuse for the Warriors for the two out of the eight years that they did not make the finals. It's all because of injuries.

Like the Warriors should have been in the finals eight years in a row. And actually, like relatively speaking, six out of eight years being healthy as a team is pretty good, but right. It's like, it's like, it's actually like better for us though, because like now I'm, I'm, I'm watching myself, you know, another blowout tonight. The Mavs, we can talk about the Mavs in a second, but it's almost better because I'm watching the Warriors and I'm having so much fun. It feels like, like it's like time traveling back to the 2015 Warriors.

When they came on the scene and they were a breath of fresh air and it was like, holy shit, this team is so much fun to watch. They had some of that going tonight where Clay was like on fire. Everyone was hitting their shots. It, it feels like that where like the injuries led us root for them now. You know, it's so true is if you love something set it free, if it was meant to be, it'll come back. It's true.

It's so true. Facts, facts and seeing Clay. I think like Clay is the, is that extra piece because he struggled, you know, he, he obviously coming back from double injury. He's had times where it's like, whoa, this guy is just never going to be close to the same, but tonight it was, he had that, uh, shot going. It was like, he's going to hit everything and they're so deadly. And even though it was a blowout when the Warriors get like that, it's fun to watch.

And Andrew Wiggins, I mean, he's just, he's just incredible now. Like all the time it's crazy. Do we, do we need to start respecting Steph Curry more on defense? Respect is hustle at least. Yes. Maybe, maybe not his like shot blocking ability, but he figured out the secret to the good, to like playing good defense for a person his size. He's like, remember Rip Hamilton, when he used to just run all the time on

offense and be like, that's the secret to my game is I'm just going to run. And eventually the guy that's guarding me is going to get tired. Steph Curry just runs a shitload on defense. He's just like sprinting all over the place. If you just run enough, you'll be open on offense and you'll stop from your players on defense. Yeah, no, he, he, he always tries hard on defense. And I know that sounds crazy just to say, like, of course, they're professionals

are playing in the Western Conference, they should try hard. But there are some guys who don't try hard all the time. Like you could even point to the Mavs comeback of partly like Luca being like, Hey, I'm going to start locking in a little bit on defense. Like the whole team's going to start playing defense. I do want to give the Mavs credit. They could have easily quit like that. And I know it sounds crazy to say that in the third quarter, the team could quit.

But if you don't think a team can quit in the third quarter, you haven't been watching these NBA playoffs. Like the whole time I was just thinking like, what would James Harden do in this situation? He would, he would, he would start, he'd do the running clock and make sure that every, like he was not shooting and just passing every single ball. The Mavs had that little run where it's like, Hey, we're going to, we're going to go out with like a few punches here and try to make this a game. They fell short, but they deserve credit for that.

James Harden would not have left Dallas. He would be currently passed out belly up in the breakfast room at Jaguars. Just like sweating maple syrup and pancakes and still have a stack of hundreds that's currently being used to get him continuous lap dances until he wakes up. Yeah. Yeah. And I, again, like we should, it might be a statement more on these playoffs and all the blowouts, but I'm willing to give the Mavs credit for not giving up

in a situation where they could have easily packed it in and been like, we're done, we're out, like we're down, you know, 20, the Warriors are hitting everything, pack the bags, let's go home. Also, I feel like this was, we get like one solid, awesome, unbelievable Clay Thompson game per series. And this is it. This is the one where like, we could tell he probably hit the, like took an edible at like after the third quarter was over, just so because he knew

he was in the zone. He's like, after the game's over, during the trophy presentation, I'm going to be having my God moment. And I'm going to be, I'm going to be on the fucking moon. He looks so high after the game. And that is his right as a Clay Thompson. Absolutely. And the, I mean, the Warriors, I, who knows.

I mean, I obviously think they're going to be playing the Celtics. We're going to get to Celtics heat in a minute. Um, but they're, they're, they look really hard to beat. And I don't know if like that's a, maybe the teams in the West, you know, they, they avoided playing the sons who was the best team all season. But I don't, they're just, they're, they're like back, maybe not all the way back because all the way back is crazy to say, because that's how good they were, especially with KD, but they're as close to as back as they could be in this

situation, given their age and all the injuries and like the roster changeover. I feel like if they rebound, they can't be beat and low key, the Warriors are pretty good rebounding team. Like they're not, they're not the soft warriors that people used to hate on, you know, a few years ago, they're, I think they were like top five or top six in the NBA and rebounds this year. And when you've got Kevon Looney, when he plays like significant minutes, it's funny to go back because I checked his stat sheet tonight.

And I looked for like the last 20, 30 games that he's played in. And it goes like 20, 15, 15, 15, 16, 11, like all these double digit numbers. And then drops out to like three, four. And it's all because like he's on the court more. I feel like in the finals, at least if it's against the Celtics, he's going to get a lot of minutes. And if they rebound the ball, especially like on offense, when they have those, they have those possessions where you work hard on defense and they miss,

they miss like a layup. They get an offensive rebound, kick it out, miss a three-pointer, kick it out again. They're going to make the third one every single time. It's demoralizing, yeah, too, when that happens to a team. It feels, it feels like extra points. And I guess you could, you know, there's probably some statistic out there of like made threes off offensive rebounds are extra points, but it feels that type of deflation happens when the Warriors get those rebounds.

And like you said, you just know, there's, there's just, it's almost, I think it's, yeah, it's statistically true. They will not miss three in a row. Yeah. And so it's like almost impossible. Based on, I'm a numbers guy, if you shoot 33% from three points, you're going to make one out of three every single time. That's how, take a math class and learn, learn how to do probability.

Also, they've got AI coming back, Iggy. Possibly come back from the final. Yeah. I hope how awesome would it be if he got another finals MVP? I mean, it, did Steph, Jake, did Steph officially win the MVP, the Western conference? Cause I, I mean, he had to have, I, I'm sure they tried to give it to Andrew Wiggins.

We touched on that on Wednesday, that everyone always tries to just for some reason and be like, you know, who deserves it? Some other guy, not named Steph Curry, even though it's clear Steph Curry is the guy who does like, yeah, he won it. Okay. Good. All right. So they're coming around to the fact that Steph Curry, even if he doesn't

have the most points in a given night is by far the most important player on the Warriors. I also, I feel like the Warriors are the equivalent of the chiefs where it's, they're the perfect team to go basic on, to be like Steph Curry cheat code. Yeah. Tramon green genius. Clombs and walking, walking fireman emoji. Pretty pumped to see Charles Barkley versus the city of San Francisco for

another couple of weeks. That's a nice storyline that's developing. Wait, but he's out. Yeah, that's done. We say good night. Yeah. We say goodbye to him. This is a sad part of the rest of the way.

Oh, that's awesome. Yeah. Greenies made some very powerful enemies out West too. So I'm sure it'll turn full heal. It is always sad when, when, when, when Chuck and Kenny and the guys have to say goodbye for like the, the rest of the season, like it's over. It's always a little bittersweet. So yeah, that, that ends tonight.

Um, let's talk a little hockey. Oh, Billy, do you have a game ball in this game or hockey game? Uh, the third baseball game, baseball game. Okay. All right. So you want to give your game ball? Yes. Aaron judge, he had, uh, three at bats, one run, one hit, two RBI's, and

the Yankees cleaned up today. How thirsty is Whitey? He, we just got out of the car and he is chugging water. I want to give Whitey the game ball. He's drinking the ocean right now. Yeah, dude. He's going nuts. I bet you he chugs faster than you.

Absolutely. Actually, it's kind of sad. He's got one of those mouths where he can't really drink properly. So he just drinks for a super long time. So yeah, one of those. Yeah. Leroy actually used to just drink until he threw up. And then that, that would be his body telling him he's had enough water.

Stella does that too, where she just drinks it and coughs and it's like a little bit of throw up. It's like, yep, you're good. You're done. You're done. Dogs love you, bro. Um, memes, you feel good? Feeling good.

So you're, I mean, I, the Rangers are definitely going to win game six. Yeah, for sure. Right. So then you got to go to game seven, but it's, it's got to feel good that the, the Canes are just like, they will just not lose at home. They're the greatest team ever at home. It's crazy. It just doesn't make sense.

Do they, will they have home ice in the, in the Eastern Conference final? I don't think so. I, yeah, I got to check that too. I don't think they will either. Yeah, I don't think so. But that would be 116 points, Tampa 110. Oh, so they do. So put them in the, put them in the final.

That's, that's it. That's how they do it. I don't know if there's like, aren't there like two brackets? I, I mean, I think that's it. I think they're in the final. I think just book their trip right now. Right. They're, they're just an absolute wagon at all.

All right, well, it makes sense. I'm happy for you memes. Um, the last thing should we, I mean, we should probably address the fact that I might be dying. Um, I don't know what happened with that picture. I've, I'm pretty used to just getting like roasted online for looking bad, fat, ugly, whatever you want to call it. But that picture where I'm like, my eyes are black and crossed.

Yeah. Um, welcome. I think I'm dying. Now you're getting eye roasted. You should start wearing sunglasses all the time. I'll go out, I'll go out of mustache. I'll salt and pepper my hair. I'll put on like 60 pounds and then we'll just switch roles.

It was one of those things where it's just like, I, like I said, I'm pretty used to like getting roasted on a daily basis, but to have like my eyes now not work, it, it, it really like threw me for a loop. Like I, and Jake was nice enough to be like, look, here's the real picture. Your eyes don't look like that, but I just went straight to the mirror. And I was like, am I, am I dead? Am I dying? What's going on right now?

I don't know what happened. Yeah. No, you looked like a, like a zombie. You looked like somebody in a horror movie that got afflicted with like the, the bad contagion or like the crossroads music video. I was the other thing. And listen, eyes and flash photography. Sometimes they don't get along well together.

Um, I just, you know, I think you have perfectly normal, perfectly healthy eyes. Thank you. I got to update. I have Hank has a catalog that I've had him keep for like the last decade of just terrible pictures of me and he'll, I made him do like a Dix pics, which is for Grateful Dead, but for Hank's pics where it's just my worst pictures. This definitely is, is up there now with all the fat pictures and all the bad angle pictures, because I, I'm true.

I still don't understand how that happened. It looks like somebody edited your picture, like they do with the avatars when somebody buys like a really shitty crypto coin. Yes, yes. I'm doing, I'm a coin. I'm doing, I'm, I'm standing up for ask. Yeah, you're on come rocket right now. It looked like, yeah, it looked like big cat just lost all his apes.

People were the roast off was very funny. Then one person was just like, dude, you're ugly. And I was like, yeah, those remain, those are always seen, but, but PFT, like they're mean, but in moments like this, I can't, I can't protest that. I can't be like, Hey, no dude. Actually, like you're looking at a mutant and, and, and, and I guess the only spin zone I have is that my eyes did a good job of getting everyone to not look at my breasts, which both my nipples were rock hard.

So maybe that's a, maybe that's a plus. I think that's, there's a little bit of that going around. I was noticing that I was wearing a white t-shirt the other day and like just rock hard nipple season for some reason around the office. I think it's colder in the office now. The worst is when people like work their way down on my body and like Triggs, who does our artwork, who I love. And I consider a friend, he was like, the worst part is you're trying to do

the skinny girl like sorority arm. I'm like, dude, I have to, I have to. If I don't do that, it's, it's, it like everything falls apart. It's always weird when they find a new body part to go after it. Like I can deal with if you make fun of my eyes, if you make fun of my height, if you make fun of my shitty beard, I can deal with that. But then somebody will be like, yo, your knees are bony as fuck. And I'm like, what the hell, man?

My knees are great. I love my like, we can't do that now. You've got all the ankles. I've got enough stuff that's wrong with me. I don't need you to start. I don't need you to dissect my thigh gap. I mean, it's true. That does happen where it is fun.

Yeah, dude, look at your toes. That's so gross. Dude, you should see a doctor about your thumb. Oh yeah. Bite your nails much. I get that a lot with my, whenever I have my thumb, they're like, look at that. Look at your cuticles. Like, what does that even mean?

What is a cuticle? You ever get caught in between blinks? It happened to me a couple of weeks ago. I got caught in the act of blinking and I fucking looked like Spicoli. I looked high as shit. I was a lot of things at the time, but I was not stoned. But like looking at the picture, you would never ever in a million years believe that I wasn't high.

It's, I mean, it's, it's all very funny. And it's like, I just has been doing it for a very long time. So when I saw this one today, I was like, well, that's something new. Like that's something I've never seen before. I, my eyes are, I have the black plague in my eyeballs. So, can Billy and I do a quick top gun review? Sure. He's going to go see no spoilers, no spoilers, spoiler free.

And thank you. I was actually like, I stayed offline for a good portion of the day and Hank was like, yeah, I want to go see the movie with you. And I thought, I thought that Hank was going to do the meanest thing ever and figure out what happened to the movie and then spoil it for me at the last second to get back for the years of soprano spoilers that we put on him. He did not. Hank was great.

He was a good guest. I give it no spoilers. I am going to try to see it this weekend and it just came out. I'll put it this way. Here's my review. I'm going to go see it again tomorrow night. I already bought it. Here we go.

So I'm going tonight in a row to beautiful view. There's a lot of planes. If you like planes, this is a perfect movie to go see. It's basically Tom Cruise becomes the instructor. So he's like that the instructor and the big problem is all the new recruits are pussies and he's like, he's like, I got to figure out how to make them go faster. And it's a storyline works. It delivers.

It delivers. Billy, what were your thoughts on the movie? If you're driving to and from the theater, really watch your speed leaving the theater because it is absolutely electric and you're going to have a need, a boner for speed leaving the place. And it's dangerous and they should give us a warning. Yeah, even even walking out of the theater, I was like looking over my shoulders and I was like banking left when I was making a left hand turn.

Oh, and they play movies like that. They play like the true member of the Truman Show when you saw it back in the day and you started looking for cameras everywhere. Yeah. Or you remember Mad Max. Yeah, for Mad Max, I drove home and I thought that every car around me had spikes and missiles and catapults on it. Yeah, yeah, those are those are the best or like when the Sopranos was going

and you just like found yourself like being like, yeah, I'm just going to I'm going to like, I get in like a fight over a parking spot and I have an urge to just bash this guy's brain in for me. When I was watching Sopranos, it was like, Oh, I really want some ZD that's got the crumbled up ground sausage and the basil in it because that's the last ZD that was made for by his wife before she died and then Janice moved in and then she forced him to eat that last CD before he was really ready. Either that or I hope I hope my I hope no one shows up to work early

and sees me sucking my boy's dick because then I'd have to move to New Hampshire and ride motorcycles and eat your entire season. That's great. Also, they play a game called dogfight football on the beach, which you want to talk about a game made for Michael Vick. Yes, there it is. It's it's going to make you irrationally angry at the first part before they explain the game, but you'll see exactly what I'm talking about. OK, all right.

So spoilers, but five. I'm going to get five and a half balls. Love it. That's more balls in than can fit. OK, we have no show Monday Memorial Day. Everyone enjoyed the long weekend and then we'll be back Tuesday with Stavi, baby, incredible interview. Everyone's going to love it.

And then we'll have another show Friday, which will be after game one of the finals. So let's kick it back to ourselves in studio. Heat and Celtics talk and then getting to Tracy McGready. Before we get to heat Celtics talk, a word from our friends at game time. Game time is the ticketing app that makes it easier than ever to score last minute deals on tickets to sports, concerts and shows. And they guarantee the lowest price. They crack the code on how to score deals on last minute tickets.

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the best ticket app in the world. OK, Heat Celtics, that game's stuck. That game's stuck. It had two good quarters. It's two good quarters. The first half, the first game close. We had two close quarters. I think what we learned last night is just because the games are close at

times doesn't mean that they're good. So maybe some of the blowouts are actually good games. Yeah, they were it was it was actually the worst of both worlds because we had a close game. So we were told like, oh, it's finally a close game, but it was bad basketball. And then it became a blowout. So it was just there was nothing to watch the second half. We do have a theory, though.

It may be appreciate the old blowouts, the ones where at least people were making shots. Kyle Lowry, by the way, he's he's he's not good. He's a big boy. He's not good. He's gotten thick. I think I saw a stat that they've their back court has like one made field goal in the last two games, which is like insane. Like they're starting back. OK, so not Duncan, because Duncan's had it.

Yeah, Duncan's been OK. Yeah, yeah. But the stat was seven full quarters. Heat starting back court has made one field goal. That's not good. That's pretty bad. Not ideal. But I have a theory and I'd like Jake, you to weigh in on this. The reason why the heat lost on Wednesday night.

This will surprise you. Someone tweeted this at us. It comes from an online message board and it says, FTX arena concessions lost us the game. Seems absurd at a glance, but hear me out. Heat win the opening tip. Fans are actually on time and packed in part thanks to the game starting perhaps 30 minutes late.

Still absolutely anemic on offense, but heat are controlling the flow of the game and getting the better of the Celtics through the first half. So half time happens and then we come back. The arena is empty. The fans are all in the building as we saw from the first half, but most are stuck still waiting in line for food and watching the game from the monitors, unlike pretty much every other arena in these playoffs. So the Celtics get opening possession and with an empty arena,

it's basically shoot around for them, finally finding their shots falling. By the time the crowd was back from the concessions, the momentum had turned completely on its head and the Celtics were rolling and the heat lifeless. So we're saying it was the long lines. It was the long lines. That was the only reason. Thoughts. No, the Celtics were better in the heat stunk.

But that's why they lost. But were the Celtics better because all the heat fans were waiting for hot dogs. Yeah. And it was open gym for them. I could play a factor. I don't like the people who are screen grabbing. It's a 13 point game with like a minute, 20 left and like, Oh, leaving early.

Yeah. Literally any fan would leave early. No, not, not may have a history of doing that. No, I know. So it's an easy target and sports town. But if you're down 13 with a minute, 20 left, there are going to be a lot of people leaving. And it was also not really like 13 because in that game, like 20 basically just hit a few shots and garbages. It was a verse in Boston.

Celtics fans do the same. Probably. Yeah. I'd say I'd say pretty much every fan base would do the same. I don't understand that as over is over could be. I don't I've never seen a team. They missed 38 three pointers and they were not missing just like, oh, their shots are about to fall. They were missing airballs.

They were missing like just everything front of the rim. Three pointers that hit the backboard and not even the rim. Disgusting. And the Celtics deserve credit for their defense in the fact that Jalen Brown and Jason Tatum decided at half time like, Oh, we're actually good. Let's stop playing like ass. And now you have a string.

I mean, it was Jalen Brown was like, Oh, yeah, I remember how to dribble. Let me try to dribble and shoot at the same time. Also, Jason Tatum got hurt in the first half. And then all of a sudden his shoulder got better as the game went on. So there were a lot of people saying I saw our guy pro football talk or pro football doc, excuse me, on Twitter said that he thought it was a back injury because a stinger isn't something that reoccurs.

But then his shoulder healed. I think the Celtics just love getting injured. And then coming back later on in the game, except this time, he didn't have to like go all the way to the locker room and come back to get a bump from the crowd because it was an away game. So it was just like halftime. He got the bump from his own team when he came back at halftime. I think he's healthy now.

He looked good in the second half every other night thing. Yeah. So, hey, quite you're now 100 percent the Celtics are winning the championship. Yes. OK, correct. OK. You were quite you were quite something to deal with during the game. You guys were up like 20 and you were like, it's we're still going to lose. We're still going to lose. I hadn't seen that side of you in a while. I was usually confident and you were not on Wednesday night.

I was very stressed. I mean, that was a, you know, pivotal game. I think if the whoever won that game was going to win the series. Celtics are the better team. So if I've said it, you know, a few times throughout the series, but if if they lost the series, it would be as devastating as it comes. That's still true. If somehow it goes to seven, I'll be just as, you know, much shitting my pants. Jake, this man, me.

He this man. Yeah. I mean, I mean, yeah, I've never seen him be so negative. It was crazy. Yeah, I agree. Why do you know how it is? But I whatever reason, I had a big bet. I think that we got some false sources on, on for whatever reason, is that we all thought that the heat we're going to have everyone out because of COVID on Wednesday.

I got it through some gambling friends. You got it through like a producer tweeted something. Yeah. Felgren mass producer tweeted like a vague like emoji that made it seem like two heat players have COVID and they're not traveling to Miami. And so I and then you said it. Right. It was a double sourcing. We're going nuclear to the house. And then I just realized that the next day I woke up on on Thursday

or Wednesday, the day has been fucking me up because we had the stream on Wednesday. We were on the studio like it was a recording day, but it was actually Wednesday. Firefest. But I woke up on Wednesday, like shitting my pants. I don't know what I was thinking because I have to do this live stream and be shitting my pants. And it's just a stressful, stressful, stressful situation. Yeah. You don't want to you don't want to you don't want to like get confident.

It was the double source. It was backfire. We both we both heard from different sources and then came to the same conclusion. And then it was like, oh, this is going to be easy. They're going to announce everyone on the heat out. Well, when I saw it and I like, you know, processed it, but didn't really make any action. And then you said it from a separate source. And I was like, that's, you know, that's confirmation right there. Boom. But you guys were right, but for the wrong reasons.

Yeah, it was fucking a staffer and a broadcaster and a trainer. Well, they might as well have had COVID the way they shot. Like that kind of turned out to be true. They might have long COVID. Yeah. I mean, Kyle Lowry, I think that he probably want him to have COVID. So he doesn't play anymore. Maybe lose some weight. Yeah. I mean, you see, it was it was that bad of a performance. That was mean. I like Kyle Lowry, but I do think that the the lack of playing

time for him recently. Yeah. I mean, it's natural. He's always been a big guy. You're going to get a little chubby sometimes. Yeah. He's always been a little bit bigger. And they miss Tyler Hero, although Tyler Hero getting some fits off. Yeah. Getting some absolute fits off. Last night, he showed up. He looked like a machine gun Kelly mixed with vanilla ice,

which is quite a combination. And he also has an entourage now. Yeah, Tyler Hero just rolls up in games with guys that are like copies of copies of Tyler Hero that just kind of follow him around only to make the original Tyler Hero look better. This is what we were robbed of, though, because Tyler Hero almost went to Wisconsin. It would have been hilarious if that was a Wisconsin badger looking like that. That would have been very I would have been disowned.

He would have been excommunicated from this from the state of Wisconsin and Minnesota for reciprocity. Yes. Yes. Also, Jenna Samson's court side with her fiance and she looked great. She did look great and our good friend, Brooks, you know, you can't say it like that because then people are going to be like, you guys got beef. Oh, yeah, yeah. Like, hey, you say anything, any any word that we say gets taken into like, oh, fuck, they hate this guy.

Well, I was I was mostly making. We do think how Larry's fat. Yes, true. But like, no disrespect. Right. Like fat in a way like, OK, I get it. That's that's relatable fat. Fat in like in in a way like if you're if you're out like to dinner with him, you're like, you're really going to you're going to do apps and a soup that kind of fat or like maybe just one fried app and get the grilled calamari. Yeah, like we don't know. We don't need dessert.

We're good. They tell you what, this is a great meal. I don't know if we're going to go with dessert. Maybe don't get the milkshake and the chocolate cake at the end. Fat like, you know, maybe we don't do family style because you'll eat all of it. Yeah. And this is speaking from, you know, obviously my own life. And when I see people being like, I don't know about family style, like you're just going to eat all of it. We can do the Hungry Man, but maybe not the Hungry Man XXL. Right.

You don't need the third tender. Right. Right. Is what we're getting at. Right. But again, kind of fat. No disrespect. No, Larry. None. So Hank's going to be court side. Right. Wood on the wood on the wood. I don't know. I saw Dave was going. He hasn't sent me a text. I think you're not on the wood. I will use game time. The best place for last minute tickets.

So I'm waiting because I know last minute tickets, I can get them through game time. But you're trying to get wood. I'm just not going to say anything and just pray, but I have a feeling that since the test hasn't come yet, it's a no. I'm going to say it's a no. I'm going to say that you got, you got your wood out of the way. That's fine. Great wood. Yeah. Best wood of my life. Yeah. It's not really high bar.

Yeah. That's like my, I don't shame me. You know about the wood I've received 10 years ago. My boss at the time, but it's like a good luck charm. That's why I was maybe like, no, no, no, that's not how it works. So as I say, so when I, my boss bring me along, we won last night, my boss had sick bulls tickets and he season tickets. And every year it would be like, all right, like passing out the tickets. And I would just like get the King's game.

And I'd be like, all right, that's, yeah, no, no, no, no, that's cool. Like that's my game. Yeah. That's fine. Like that, that was your game, which is a playoff game, but you're not getting another one. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe. Yeah. I think it's finals. I think they have to put you on the jumbotron. You're, you want to know. Yeah. We'll see. Yeah. We'll see. Maybe we'll be in the wood.

What if you promise, what if you promise right now to do a hard double fist pump? If you can't promise anything that was pure emotion, there was a perfectly normal celebration. He'll do it again. Yeah. He'll do it again. So you butter knifeing in, there should be a butter knife option on the game time app. They renovated the stadium. The butter knife is gone. The butter knife days are over. Really? Rest in peace.

Why don't you just try it? Like people have been saying, Hank's lost his fastball. He's corporate now. He's a sellout. We all hate him. Like that stuff. People have been saying that stuff. Why don't you prove that you still got your fastball and butter knife your way in? I'm down to butter knife and I'll never forget when I tried, when I was an intern and you and Dave were trying to go to the Blackhawks game and I was dead serious. I was like, oh, I can get you guys in the butter knife.

Dave was like, what? What do you mean? Like, are you fucking crazy? Yeah. Well, the good thing is, since you're flying private, you can bring your own butter knife on the plane. You don't have to check that at TSA. That's true. Yeah. And the corporate jet. Jake, where are you? I just got a chopper.

He's got a chopper. Seaplane. The heat are not looking good. Like yesterday was very bad. I think they're banged up. It's not an excuse to Celtics have been better the last two games. What's the culture update? Bad. This is the test of the culture.

Like no one's, everyone's saying the series is over. Someone said that heat culture was just them being lucky LeBron likes South Beach. Oh. I'm not saying that, but. Okay. Wow. Guess what? They got two titles out of it. So who cares what they think?

You shouldn't say that. Not one, not two, not three, not four. Who got very mad at me that I implied that other teams might check body fat, not just the heat. They're like, what do you think Germain O'Neill said that for? That's heat culture. Pat Riley, like revolutionized basketball, 5% body fat or less. Like I'm pretty sure every team's got trainers.

Also, 5% body fat sounds like that's not enough body fat for a healthy man. Yeah. What if you get stuck outside? Were the skin calipers just missing that day when Cal-Larry checked in or? Yeah, I know. Yeah, that's true. Heat culture just missed him, apparently. Yeah.

Listen, a team's blown a 3-2 lead in Eastern Conference playoffs this year so far. What's happened before? Oh. The box. Oh yeah, the box. That's a healthy. Yeah, the box did. So now for the verse.

And like Hank said, after game five, you thought it was done. And here you are. I would like some confetti though, Hank, for the studio. Can you bring back some confetti? Mm-hmm. Yes. Please. OK.

Please. OK. Other sports, the. I feel like we just mushed it too. Tracy McGrady coming up, but he said something and the way he said it, I saw visions of a mush. And I saw visions of old tech exposed when he was. I won't spoil it, but it's towards the end of the interview.

And I was watching it and I was just like. Uh-oh. You were watching it? Yeah. Oh. It's a great interview. Nice. Coming up.

Nice. Uh, the hockey, the hockey Nathan McKinnon was maybe had the greatest goal ever that everyone's going to forget. That was my big hockey tape. Yeah, it was crazy. It was it was tape to tape. Coast to coast, like insane goal. If you just watched the last three seconds of the goal, you'd think it was an insane goal.

And then you watch the full clip and you're like, holy fuck. But now the abs and blues go. We get the one thing that's nice is we get hockey on Friday night, which it would have sucked if that series had ended and we didn't get any hockey on Friday night. Basically what we can take away from these hockey playoffs is that NHL is way better than the NBA right now. Yeah. Just like you won.

The hockey games have been incredible. Just some of them. Some of them have sucked. People. Most of them have been good though. The the the Lightning Panthers series was a total like snooze fest and people. It's because the capitals beat the Panthers up so bad. Yeah, that's true.

Lightning rolled through them. But people forget to mention that when they do the NHL NBA debate. But it's NHL. Is NHL having a moment? Well, I'm telling you all the all the weirdos on Twitter that are hockey fans that are like, please like my sport. This is the time when you should be high stepping. Yeah.

This is the time when you should be dunking all over the NBA. All the crazy young talent and like, yeah, I mean, the battle of Alberta has been incredible. We talked about it at the beginning of the show, but it's that series has been insane. So yeah, the NBA just needs one good series and we just haven't had it. Yeah. We'll forget about like all the other bads as long as we get a good finals. Yeah. We'll be like, these playoffs have been awesome.

And we know what we get if we get a good finals. We can just keep saying we deserve this. Yeah. Well, we like we're sticking it through all of our hard work of sitting on the couch and watching games. We deserve this. You can either have one of the two. You can have what we've had this postseason where it's like a shitload of blowouts, but you can't really predict which team is going to blow which team out.

Or you can go back to last year and you can complain about everybody being injured, but the games are close. Right. So I would I would prefer this one as long as we're making a deal with the devil, that we get at least a couple of good finals games. Yes. Then I'll be fine with it. Yeah.

And then we officially deserve it. Oh, so actually, you know what? I'm not prepared to even say that these playoffs have sucked yet because I don't know what the ratings have been. Oh, true. Good point. We need to look at the ratings. I feel like they've been higher.

So actually, these are the best NBA playoffs. I've enjoyed it thoroughly. Yeah. I just like to watch it with my friends in a party setting as many people as possible. Just grow the game. Yeah. That's what we're doing this postseason. Okay.

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You like that clap? Yeah, it kind of threw me off a little bit. You're very special. Am I? Yeah. Very famous. Very, very special. Yeah, Hall of Famer, Tracy McGrady in studio.

I mean, like one of my favorite basketball players to watch. Ah, pre-suitable. Yeah. And you got, so you have a new thing coming out. It's called the One's Basketball League. This weekend it's going to be in New York. So we're going to air this tomorrow. It'll be in New York.

And then it will be in the DMV June 4th to 5th, Bay Area June 11th to 12th. And it's essentially one-on-one basketball to figure out who's the best one-on-one basketball player in the country. Now, do you realize that you've opened yourself up to just debates constantly of people being like, who could you beat one-on-one?

That debate has been out there for years. Yeah. Just read, but like reignite it. Like, let's go. Yeah, I love it. Okay. I mean, one-on-one is the true essence of basketball. You think so?

I know so. Yeah. Okay. There's one-on-one and five-on-five. True. Matchups. But one-on-ones, the true pure essence of basketball. I mean, we all grew up playing one-on-one.

Yeah. You know? For me, I just, there's a lot of untapped talent out here. You know, everybody can't play an NBA, right? Everybody can't go across the season and play basketball. But when I look at the landscape of basketball players' skill, I understand that I've actually played with some of these guys that can't play in the NBA because they're probably

putting the wrong role, right? They can't play in a structured system, right? Because they need the ball. So if they're a player that needs the ball in their hands, right, and a coach puts them in a corner because the other player or other two players are better, these guys get depressed. They get frustrated. And then, in essence, they get put out of the league.

And we're talking number two, number three, draft picks. Like, this is why these guys can't sustain or stand in the NBA. They're in the wrong system. But even more so than that, we're talking guys that just really never got the opportunity, got overlooked. Maybe something happened along their journey of playing basketball and something deviated them from that course.

And now they're back to loving the game of basketball. They still play at a high level. I'm telling you, there are highly skilled guys out here that we don't know about. It is, yeah. That is true that when you see guys who played, it's always funny when I see someone who played in college and you realize immediately, you're like, oh, OK.

It's a totally, it's something that's so fun to just watch. I play in a pickup game. It's nothing. But there's one guy who played in college. And when he comes, they're like, oh, OK, yeah, that's the difference. And we're talking college to nothing. Then go up to the NBA. It's like, obviously, a totally different jump.

And these guys are very, very good. And so you're highlighting it. And I love them. Well, the thing is, is giving them an opportunity, man, giving them a platform. Because you might not know, there's a lot of underground one-on-one basketball leagues around in these cities. I'm just giving them a platform to really have these guys make

a name for themselves. Sort of like UFC. UFC gave fighters a platform, right? We didn't know who these guys were until they got on the UFC platform. We know who the basketball players are, because we watch them in college. But at fighters, we don't know these guys, right? UFC gave them a platform.

Now, they're stars. OBL is creating stars, right? These guys' stories needs to be told. Their skillset need to be displayed on a platform to where we actually can watch them and be like, he's really good. So let's talk about it. Prime T-Mac against Kevin Durant.

Who wins? Listen, we're talking about one of the greatest scores. Two of the greatest scores to play the game. I was going to say, you? I mean, both of us. You don't know. We don't know. I'm sure Katie will say he will win.

We just don't know. I mean, it's two highly skilled guys. I feel like you back them down. I feel like you throw a shoulder until he falls over. Back him down. He is seven foot guys. I'm only six, eight. Right.

He'll hit with a lot of arms. Well, that's, I mean, whenever the one-on-one debate happens, I'm very, I mean, we do the goat debate all the time. I think Michael Jordan is the best of all time. But I do think that LeBron would beat, Prime LeBron would beat pretty much anyone one-on-one, just because of the height and size. They didn't need the whole skillset.

Oh, you don't think so? No. Oh, OK. Who then? Well, he will be a problem. But even somebody like Kyrie, despite LeBron's size, Kyrie will be tough for LeBron to even guard in his prime. Right.

Right. We haven't really seen Kyrie skillset. We've seen snippets, but it's hard to really, really display your ultimate skillset in a five-on-five setting. One-on-one, Kyrie, you'll probably see things that you've never seen before. Even me, like what I displayed on the NBA, I had more to give in my bag that you guys didn't see.

I didn't need to bring that out. Right, right. I mean, Kyrie is a good answer because when he has the ball on a string and he's like going through people, it's insane. It is shot making from all the different angles. So, is it call your own foul? No, we have refs. Oh, it would have been great if it was call your own foul.

Oh, no. You just get guys in arguments the whole time. You know what would have. Oh, yeah, it would have been terrible. It would have been the worst product ever. We wouldn't finish a game. I'm going to start an OBL. There we go.

There we go. It's a fight. Yeah, I'm going to start an OBL. Fight ball. Let's call your own foul. And we never get past the first round. Nah, yeah, we probably wouldn't finish the weekend, bro. Like, somebody will be jacked up.

It's funny because when you were coming up in the NBA, I remember that was like right when, maybe a little bit before the N1 mixtape tour got really popular. And we used to always have those arguments. It's like, oh, one-on-one could the professor be like an NBA player or something like that, the street ballers that play. Obviously, there are different rules when they play.

You can get away with a lot. Either there's no carry at all whatsoever. It's some of these N1 exhibition things. But you can tell that some of the players have real serious talent and could probably be pretty good, at least offensively, one-on-one. Is there any guy like that that you think could compete in a tournament like this?

I actually think they could because they are highly skilled in terms of their dribbling, shot-making ability. They would have to adjust or adapt to the rules because like you said, they get away with a lot of that stuff on the N1 tours, all the carry-in and just, you know, it's street ball. I'm trying to brand and remarket what one-on-one basketball is. It's not street ball.

It's so much more to one-on-one basketball. And I always give this example. So if I was a guy that I trained for two hours every day, it's two guys, me and this other guy, we trained for two hours, right? And after my individual training with my trainer, I'm playing one-on-one basketball every single day, right? Every single day, I'm playing one-on-one basketball.

Well, the other guy, he decides he wants to go and play five-on-five organized basketball, right? So whatever we're training and we're going to play, you know, one-on-one or five-on-five, I feel like the one-on-one person is going to have a much more and quicker development because the opportunities that he's getting with the ball, right? Trying to figure it out, trying to figure this defender out, right?

So he's learning on the fly, right? Figuring out, okay, how do I create space on this guy? How do I do this? How do I do that? Whereas when you're playing five-on-five, the opportunities are limited. Like, how many shots are you going to get? How many opportunities are you going to get with the ball in your hands for you

to actually work on what you was working on with your trainer? So your development is going to be a little bit slower. So that's one-on-one to me. And then the mental aspect of that. Like, you got to be tough as hell to play one-on-one in front of a crowd. Yeah, absolutely, because you're going to get embarrassed at some point.

Right, right. All right, so this made me think. So you have one-on-one with the ball in your hands. I might start a one-on-one league with the ball out of your hands where it's just guys boxing each other out for an hour, and no one gets to touch the ball. We work on that skill set. That's some serious banging, right?

That's just grinding. Yeah, just like, okay, no, it's like losers when they practice without the ball, and we're just running around like setting picks. That would be a good one-on-one league, a complimentary. We could maybe start it and do it before your games. Have the ice bags and everything lined up on the side because there's going to be a lot of bruises.

I've got a good idea where you can make it co-ed, and you could have it in a club environment, and you could have music playing, and they're serving beer, and then there's a DJ, and it's dark out. Dude. So you just box out. It's just freak dancing. Yeah, it's freak dancing.

Yeah, the professional freak dancing. You might have some right here. Yeah, that's a good idea. I think one thing about one-on-one that has always separated the men from the boys is who's really good at checking the ball up. Like, I was really fucking good at checking the ball up. The check-up?

The check-up. Like, I would throw it at his chest or his face. I'd throw it at your foot. I'd throw it at your foot, and it would bounce right back to me. And so is that part of the aspect if you've thought about the guys that are dirty? No, no, no, no, no. No gimmicks in my league.

No gimmicks. This is all structured. No. I love it. Good rules. So I want to talk about your career because, like I said, I was a big fan of yours. The 75 top players that got announced, I was thinking about it.

I actually think that you benefited from it because being outside of it, because everyone was like, Trace McGrady should be the top 75. And I think you should be. But you got like, if you were 74, yeah, it would have been nice to be acknowledged at halftime. But weirdly, like, 76 is better because everyone's like, where the fuck is T-Mac?

He's clearly a top 75 guy. And you had everyone kind of standing up for you, which you deserved. So like, did you see it that way where it's like, hey, everyone's kind of giving me my flowers, so to speak? Yeah, no. In this way. I did feel that my fans had my back in that.

It showed me that I had a lot of love out there. But with that said, I don't take away from anybody that was on that list. I mean, obviously, when you make a list like that with all the great players that's come through our league, somebody's going to get snubbed. Somebody's going to get left off. And it's going to leave room for those type of conversation.

I just happen to be one of those guys. I'm in the Hall of Fame. I don't give a shit about that top 75. Like, what is that? But yours was stamped in the Hall of Fame. But you were an egregious omission. Like, I think everyone was like, how is T-Mac not on here? I say that for a few of the guys that was left off of that.

And Dwight Howard, to me, is really the most disrespectful one. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I think that Dwight, like, you know what's actually interesting? And I'd love to hear your take on it because you played for a few different teams throughout your career. I think weirdly, when guys move around,

they get discounted a little bit. Because guys that stay with one team or maybe their career is two teams, it just feels different than a guy who bounces around. Like, Dwight Howard has a Hall of Fame career, but he's bounced around in the second half of his career. And I think people look at it differently when you bounce around.

Well, you can't take away the body of work, though. Yeah. Rather, you can't stay in your prime forever. Right. I mean, everybody's not LeBron James. Right. Yeah. You know what I mean?

Yeah. Everybody can't be LeBron James. His prime years was phenomenal. Like, he was the most dominant big in our game in his prime years. Yeah. Yeah, it's true. I think you can look at your career

and say that at least for a couple years, you were the best scorer in the NBA. For sure. And I don't think that's up for debate. I think that anybody that has that on their resume, like, you're probably one of the top 75. No brainer. Yeah.

So to me, it's like, what are we basing this off? The individual accomplishments or team accomplishments? Because individually, like, some of the guys that's on the list is not touching me on, you know, what I've accomplished individually. Everybody can't play on championship teams throughout their careers. I didn't.

I've not once in my 15 year played on a team that was like, yeah, they have a good chance of winning it this year, ever. They never said that about any of my teams. Do you think you would have been a good fit on those Chicago Bulls if they had drafted you? Shit. Michael Jordan still was playing.

Yeah. Yeah, I mean, the trade almost happened. Like, were you told like that was a realistic possibility? Yeah. Well, draft night, before draft night, I get a call at 12 o'clock at night. I'm sleeping. My agent calls me.

Hey, you know, we got a secret location. You got to go take a physical. I'm like, physical for what? It's like the Bulls is really considered trading you for Scottie, trading for Scottie, trading you for Scottie Pippin. And we drive like an hour outside of Charlotte, go to the clinic.

They take me in the back door, sneak in, do my physical. Next morning, the trade is not going to happen. I'm like, OK, like I didn't feel it was going to happen anywhere because it didn't make sense to me. You're still winning championships. Scottie Pippin is top 50 all time. Why the hell are you going to trade him for a rookie? Not only a rookie, but a guy coming out of high school.

Just doesn't make sense. So you do have some incredible what ifs in your career. Oh, my gosh. Is there one so like you, you know, there was rumors that you were going to be traded to Lakers with Shaq and Kobe. There was the AI. You were going to go to Philly and then Stephen A. Smith ruined that one.

Tim Duncan getting traded, signing with the magic when, you know, he was a free agent. Yao's just health. Is there one, though, that you're like, man, if that one had gone differently, that would have been, that would have been it. Well, one, for sure. And two, I'm not quite sure I got to get confirmation,

but I'll tell you about the one, Grant Hill. Yeah. Like if Grant Hill was healthy, you know, even without Grant Hill and playing that Detroit pissing team, we were up 3-1 on them, right? And they were the number one seed. Healthy Grant Hill, I make it to the NBA finals with, with Orlando Magic.

Going back to the other one with Tim Duncan, you know, there was rumors that he didn't sign because Doc Rivers didn't allow, you know, your spouse to travel on road games on the plane. And that was a deal breaker for him. And again, that's the confirmation that I have to get. I saw Doc confirmed it a little bit. Oh, he did.

Well, he said that he told Tim that not every game that you can have your family on the plane. You can't. Don't say that to Tim Duncan. And then, yeah, and then the story goes. Get that man what he wants. Yeah, I feel like that's a rule. You kidding me?

It's not like you're letting him stay out to like 5.30 in the morning or night. He just wants to be around his family. It's like, OK, I think I can make that. You gotta be a bear to sell. You gotta do it. You gotta be a bear to sell. Well, so that was the big, the big part of the story

that Doc said is that he had a meeting with Tim Duncan. Tim Duncan was like, I'm pretty sure I'm signing with the magic. He's like, I got to go talk to pop one last time. And then Calpari called Doc and was like, did you get him? And he's like, yeah, I think we got him. He's just got to go talk to pop. He's like, no, you don't have him then.

It's over. Like you because because pop and David Robinson flew from Hawaii to have a meeting with Tim Duncan and sold them. Like, don't let him leave the building. No, right. Give him everything he wants. Every single thing.

That's a great NBA. What if like because the magic would have with with the three of you guys would have been it would have been crazy. Two of us. Yeah, the two of you. But like if Grant, you know. But Grant. Oh, yeah.

We that we would have created a dynasty for sure. In those playoffs, do you regret saying like we we already advanced the next round against the Pistons? I because you kind of started the Pistons dynasty by giving that Bolton born. I honestly don't remember saying that. All right. So then you didn't.

You don't remember saying that. I yeah, because I had the interview last week and somebody brought that up. I was like, bro, show me the footage where I said that I got. I don't remember saying it. I think you said something like it's good to get to the second round.

You might have. I've heard someone say that. I don't remember. That's we talking what 2003 almost 40 years ago. Oh, that's him talking. What if though? And then what the the AI won like Stephen A. Smith. Have you ever talked to him about that?

No, because the story goes that you're going to be traded the six or Larry Hughes and and like probably one of the most dynamic backcourts ever with you in in AI. And then Stephen A. Smith leaked it 24 hours before and then they got cold feet and didn't do it. Yeah, Stephen A. Smith screwed that up. Stephen A. You screw up.

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but the pants. Oh, so we can talk about on India on TV. Yeah, so if you haven't seen Tracy McGrady, the most ridiculous pair of pants I've ever seen in my entire life. So here's what happened on that, right? There's no shame in my game at all. So throughout my career, you have these guys that make suits, want you as a client.

So they'll make your first suit free for you. Right? So in my closet, I have a bunch of suits. I know I'm going to make an appearance on NBA TV. I don't think about it. I just go in my closet. I grab a suit. Right? Okay.

Grab a suit. I'm off. You get dressed at home? No, I'm traveling the night before. I go to Atlanta. I'm in studio. I put on my suit. I'm like, damn.

I hope I don't have to stand up during a segment. Just sit behind the desk. So you knew. You knew. Yeah, for sure. For sure I knew. I was like, I'm just... You were in a parachute on your legs.

Dude, they were huge. They were huge. I'm like, oh, shit. We got a stand-up segment? Ah. Like, not only are they wide, but they're long, too. They're long. They're huge.

It's shocking. They were big everywhere. You're a tall man. And they're built for someone who's like eight feet tall. Yeah, they were big, big, built for like Dickens Bay, Montambo or somebody, not me. But, yeah, the pants were swallowing me. And, you know, the clip went viral.

So when they actually just stand up, were you like, can we just stay? I give a shit, dude. Carrots, pants, so who cares? It's one of the funniest pictures. Yeah, like, come on, man, that stuff doesn't bother me. Even when it's going viral, it doesn't bother me. I actually got...

I laughed at it myself. Yeah, I mean, you can't not look at that picture and be like, what the fuck? What are these pants? That's the worst visual that you've ever had. You're doing pretty good. It was funny. It's just like, I wore a big pair of pants

one time like that. Next time you go on TV, you should get even bigger. That's my claim to Shane. Yeah, but you should do that. You should keep getting your pants bigger and bigger. I might start a trend, dude. And just keep going, re-viral. I might start a trend.

I think those are coming back. Yeah. Next time you're on TV, get the biggest pants you've ever seen. If I do that and shit starts to take off, I'm gonna get you a cut of that. Yeah, you could do that. You could even make it viral on Twitter and be like, for every thousand retweets this week gets,

I'm gonna wear bigger pants. I'm gonna wear one inch bigger pants. Just getting bigger and bigger. And then everyone's like, yo, what's with the pants? Like, what do you mean? They're pants. They're pants. Are you gonna make fun of my pants?

What's with your pants? I'm gonna make fun of my other man's pants. Yeah. I think we're on to something, guys. I loved it, though. That was an all-time, all-time clip. The other question I had, the 13 points in 33 seconds, how often do you watch that clip?

I don't. What? Can we watch it? I'll tell you a true story. Okay. Probably 10 years went by before I ever watched that game again. Really? Yeah.

Yeah. I mean, that is still one of the coolest things. If you've never seen it, just Google, Trace McGrady 13 points, 33 seconds. It's funny too watching it because it's like a different NBA where it was the, there was, you know, 40 seconds left in the game and the score was like 74, 68, 66 or something.

You're right. And it's like, wait, what? This is the score right now? But you just, like, did you feel it? Were you like, I cannot miss right now? Yeah. That was just, you know, the will to take over a game and see what happens.

I actually, even before that, almost got close to doing that before of having one of those miracle comebacks. There's a moment, man. I felt it. And as you could see on the game winner, I knew it was good. Yeah. I was looking for my spot dribbling down the left side of the court,

looking for my spot and just, I knew I was going to make that. Like the basket seemed so big. It was a magical moment. How often did that happen in your career? Like where was the basket feeling that big? I'm obsessed with the idea of guys being in the zone in basketball because it's got to be the coolest feeling. It, you have no idea.

Like when you have that feeling that every shot you take feels like it's going in, you add, defenders are at my mercy when you have that type of feeling. There's literally nothing you can do when someone feels that way. And so how many times do you think like, what happened? I had a lot. Really? I had a lot, bro.

The year I averaged 32 points, I was having 20 points by halftime. Damn, there every game because I was just, I was in a zone that whole season. So you had an extended zone. Could you feel, could you feel like the night's coming when you were like, tonight is going to be a good night? I can already tell, I can pre-tell that I'm going to be in the zone later on tonight. For sure. Because like I feel fresh.

I feel good. I feel like I'm going to jump out of the gym tonight. Right. My body just feels loose. And I, and playing in Orlando in that type of weather, you get that. But playing in Toronto. Yeah. Shit.

Oh, I got to go throw out. Let me go in the Sonners. Yeah, because even before you get to work sometimes, you have to like scrape off your car and shit. That's the most annoying thing about, about the cold weather. Like if you don't live in cold weather, you don't understand that you have to wake up an extra hour early to take care of all the stuff around it. And that throws off the rest of your day.

Yeah. Yeah. It's, it's tough to play in cold weather. Yeah. It is. That, that Raptors team though with, with Vince Carter, uh, when you guys were both like, you know, it was like, you know, breath of fresh air, like both these guys, cousins, which you didn't find out you were cousins until you got drafted.

That was weird. How did that go down? I, uh, my senior year, um, I moved to Durham, North Carolina to go to high school, finish out my high school career up there just to get the exposure because they travel nationwide. Vince was obviously at UNC and that's like 20 minutes apart, 15, 20 minutes apart, I think. I used to go over there and play against those guys in the summertime. So, um, I went, I knew Vince because I played on the junior team Florida team and he played on a senior team Florida.

So I used to play before him. So I'll, I'll go over there to UNC. He let me use his locker and I think this was like a Thursday Friday. I told him I won't be here. I'm going back home to the attended family reunion. It's like, cool. I'll see you when you get back. I get to my family reunion, sitting down, talking shit.

My grandmother tells me she introduced me to a cousin. I was like, okay, cool. She was like, hey, my grandson plays, uh, college basketball. I was like, yeah, who, who does he play for? And she was like, he plays for UNC. I was like North Tar Hills and she was like, yeah. I was like, who, who is he? She was like Vince.

She called him Vincent. She was like, Vincent, I was like Vince Carter. She was like, yeah, I say, please call him right now. He's going to freak out. I say, I was just with him the other day. So she calls him and you know, I get on the phone. I'm excited. What up?

Cause who the hell is this? It's Mack, man. Mack. What is T. Mack? He's like, what you doing on my grandma's phone? I say, bro, you ain't going to believe this. I say, she's at the family reunion. We're family.

That's incredible. Holy shit. That's how we found out just like that. And then you guys play in the Raptors together. We play on the Raptors. Like it was crazy. I used to watch this. In my high school, my, you know, 19th grade year,

that's all I heard about him for was Vince Carter. Right. Vince freaking Carter. He was incredible. Not knowing that was my cousin. That's insane. So you get up to Durham and obviously you were, you were highly sought after recruit after.

I think you had like a big performance at one of the summer camps, right? Yeah. ABCD. So after, you know, you're like one of the top recruits in the country. I have to imagine that Coach K was stopping by a lot knocking on your door,

giving that you're just in town. Was he like swinging by with a bag, dropping off, being like, hey. Not the bag. He said a bag. How much money did Coach K offer you to go to school at Duke University? He offered me a full scholarship, full ride.

Full ride scholarship. Yep. And I got offers from everyone. Yeah. There was a couple of bags, you know, maybe on the side somewhere. Yeah. I mean, Coach K, obviously you made the correct decision,

I think, going to the NBA. And capitalizing there. But I was going to ask about like, do you feel like you missed out on the college experience? Well, I did miss out on it. I don't think, you know, only time I feel, you know, left out is during March Madness. Yeah.

That's the only time because everybody is rooting for their team. They have a dog in the fight. I feel like I have a dog in the fight because I was going to Kentucky. So that's who I root for, my Wildcats. There we go. Yeah.

You should just do it. Yeah, do what LeBron does. LeBron, I think, claims Ohio State. Duke, Florida N.C., U.S.C., UCLA. I'm a Wildcat. Akron. I'm a Wildcat. When it comes to basketball, I'm a Kentucky Wildcat.

Football, I'm a Florida guy, so you know I got to go with the Seminoles. OK, OK. That's fair. But yeah, that's, I mean, when you made that transition, it is crazy to think that now guys can't do that. I think it's going to come back where guys can go straight from high school to the pros.

But when you showed up the first day, where you're like, uh-oh, this is different. Or did you have that confidence? Like, hey, I belong right here. I felt like I belong. I played against NBA players even prior to getting drafted. Like, I played against these guys, so I know I can hold my own.

This is just really understanding of, OK, I got to understand how the NBA game works. OK, what do I need to work on? Certain things I got to work on this year and maybe add something next year. But it was just all about, OK, how do I, you know, figure this game out to be, you know, have some sort of impact in my rookie season.

It was very, very tumultuous and just, you know, a tough freaking rookie year with the coach that I had. It was no structure. I wasn't being taught the game. Like, it was like I had to figure it out on my own. We was always bumping heads. It was very tough, my first half of my rookie year. Yeah.

It's also a tough thing to ask an 18-year-old to do is to, like, move to a different country. Oh, gosh, yeah. And you're on your own. It also hears millions of dollars. Yeah. Like, I would have gone missing. I'm sure of it.

I was not equipped when I was 18 years old to deal with something like that. For you, was there a period where you were like, this is too much? Like, did you have to have somebody that you brought up there to help you out with that entire transition period? You know what?

Kobe was my guy, man, to lean on him because he went through it the previous year in Los Angeles. It was just a very frustrating rookie year. So I leaned on him a lot my rookie season just to help me get through it because, you know, I was on a young team and I felt like I should have been playing on that young team. We only won 16 games that year, guys.

Right. Right? Like, we were a very bad team. And I got drafted ninth overall. Like, why not teach me the game and throw me out there if you're growing me to be the franchise player for this team? It's also funny because I read a story beforehand this interview where I was like, yeah,

T-Mac his rookie year, he just slept a lot. I did. Like, 20 hours a day. It was so cold outside. Well, and it's funny because it's like your initial reaction when you see that like, oh, he slept a lot. Like, oh, he didn't want it. He's like, no, no, he was literally a teenager

whose body was still growing. Yeah, for sure. That part, like, it didn't dawn on me until I read it. I was like, wait, no, that's what teenagers do. They sleep because their body is literally changing and you're in the NBA. But I got knocked for it though. Yeah, I know.

Oh, he's lazy. All he does is sleep. He doesn't, he doesn't work. Remember yourself at 18? Like, you would just sleep all day if you could. And I took advantage of that. I slept. That's great.

All right, so today's NBA, the, have you been watching any of the playoffs, catching a little bit? Yeah, yeah. Who do you, like, what guy are you watching these playoffs where you're like, wow, this guy is, you know, this is his, his playoffs where he's taking another step or it might be even, like,

Stefan, what the Warriors are doing resurgence-wise. Has there been one guy that you're like, damn, this guy's going to own the league for a while? My favorite player is Jimmy Butler. Okay. Right. Jimmy Butler, I know his story because I am from Houston.

Jimmy Butler is from Houston. And, like, his journey, right, the path that he was on is just an incredible path. And to see what he is today as a basketball player, I have the utmost respect for that guy in terms of his work ethic, what he's built his self up to be as a basketball player and as a person.

I mean, amazing accomplishments in his career and what he's doing is just, you have no choice but to get behind and root for somebody like that. Yeah. And he's an incredible basketball player, but he wasn't born with, see me, I was born with a natural ability,

natural skill set. Like, you could drop, God just dropped me on his earth. Like, son, you could play baseball, basketball, football, pick your choice for what you want to do. Like, that was me as a kid. Like, I could do anything without, I could throw a football 60 yards.

Right. I could throw a baseball 85 in high school, 88 miles power. Right. I could catch a football. I ran a freaking 4-4, 4-5. Right. And I could play basketball. This was without practicing anything.

He just dropped me and gave me all this talent. Jimmy Bullock, I don't think it's like that. I think he had to work his ass off to get to where he is today. And I appreciate that. And he's my favorite player. I love watching him. That's good answer.

He's fun to watch. We're about the teams that are left right now. Are the Mavericks done or are they finished? They're both. We're going to run this tomorrow, so I would assume Warriors probably finished them off. Here's, I was telling this to some of my guys, this is what teams do.

And it's not, they don't sit in the locker room or on the bus or on the plane and talk about this. But when you know you could beat a team. Yeah. Right. When you know you got them, we got them. So they have three of them. The game four is in Dallas.

Game five is back in and go to state, right? They took a night off game four. Hey, let's make them travel all the way back out to the Bay Area. Take that flight. We'll blow their ass out. And they got to take a lonely trip all the way back to Dallas. Like teams, they're playing with their food before they eat it. Yeah.

It happens. It happened to me before Utah did us like that one year. We didn't have Yao. We won game five, had to travel all the way to Utah. And they blew our ass out game six series over with. It's going to happen tonight. You got to believe this over with. Yeah.

I mean, I do, I do agree with that. I do think they're going to, they're going to beat them handily tonight. But it's funny to hear that like, because there is that human element of sports where like even it's hard to sweep teams because teams have pride, but also on the other side where teams are like, all right, we got you. It doesn't matter. Yeah. We'll give partial half effort tonight.

See if we can steal one with. Yeah. Yeah, they almost did steal one. They came back and like it was like cut it to like eight where it's like, all right, we'll try for like five minutes here. See if we can close the week. It's probably going to be another blowout. It's probably going to be like a 12, 15 point golden state win.

And so do you like the, you like the Celtics? Yeah, I like the heat can come back. No, it's over. Oh, it's over. It's over Friday night. Celtics will be making an appearance into the NBA finals. And then, you know, Jalen Brown is my little bro. You know, I trained him a couple of times and he's looking really, really good.

Have you worked, have you, have you worked with his dribbling? Because there's times when it looks like he doesn't know how to dribble. It's gotten better. On Wednesday night, he was like the second half. He was incredible. He's been phenomenal. He's been phenomenal in his playoffs. He's getting better and better.

So, but no, I got the Celtics, but they're playing a wounded, wounded team. I know. Kyle Larry is not healthy. Hero is not healthy. A lot of people are making a big deal of like the every other night. And, you know, a lot of times the media would be like, well, they're pros. They should be able to play every other night. What does it do to your body though when you're playing in a series

and you're playing every other night? Like, is it, is the bounce back really that hard? It's tough. Yeah. The longer the series goes, the more tired I think your body is, especially every other night. It's, it's pretty tough. If you have got us playing 40 minutes, that's tough later as you get in these series. Right.

If you're like the main guy, you know, the playmaker, the defensive stopper, you know, the score for the team. It's, it's a lot on your body. Yeah. Is it easier on you if you're younger? Yeah. Yeah, for sure. I mean, like these guys can, can run all day.

Like they don't feel that, but, you know, when you in year eight, 10, you feel it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You're not sleeping as much at that point. You're a little older. Yeah. Very little sleep.

Body is aching, waking up in the morning. The achilles is tight. Back is tight. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I was going back, I was watching some of your highlights because there were, there are a few that were like significant, like iconic highlights.

My favorite shot, my favorite jump shot you ever had was one where you started with the ball down like at shin level and you just pulled it up over your head. You even pull it back. Katie does that now. Yeah. Yeah. You taught him that, right? I didn't teach him that.

Well, well, he probably watched the film, but yeah. Yeah. And then the other, they're just a bunch of dunks that you put out there. Do you have a favorite dunk of all time? I don't have a favorite one of all time. I know a lot of people like the Sean Bradley one. I have some good ones. I don't, I don't know.

All right. So I have one last question. It's a rowback question. R-H-O-B-A-C-K dot com. You can get Q-Zips polos. We have some stuff for you, Tracy. Yes. 20% off when you use code TAKE, the OBL.

Check it out. It's coming to a city near you. It's going to be in New York this weekend, DMV, Bay Area. We got some stops coming up. So my last question is, you mentioned different sports. You played baseball. I did. Like you then, you tried to, you went in.

Did you go into a game in a minor league game recently? Or was that, did you pitch in a minor league game? No. I played a minor league baseball. Yeah. Okay. So back in 2014. Yeah.

You were saying recently? No. Yeah. So I guess 2014 would be recently in my mind, but that's not recently. But yes. So how did you do? And like that's crazy that you can just pick up a, you know, like you said, the natural ability to just play every sport.

That's why I was telling you, I was blessed with God-given talent. I didn't do so well, but I was, I didn't do awful. Like I was throwing strikes. I got a strike out in the All-Star game. How fast were you throwing? I was throwing like 87. In 2014. And you mind you, I haven't played since 1996.

That's right. Right? Nuts. So to go out there and, I remember us playing the Long Island Ducks. Right. And it was this guy that played major league baseball. And I was pitching against him. I didn't, I knew who he was from my teammates telling me.

I blew up his bat. And that was like the thing. He's rock off and be like, could have done this if I wanted to. I blew up his bat. And I didn't know, like if you throw in your picture and you break someone's back, like that is a thing for the pitcher. So they was giving me my props like, oh, you blew up his bat. He's a major league baseball player.

I'm like, okay. Yeah. Like I don't even know what that means. Did you have to hit? They wouldn't, my coach would. No, Gary Gayety was my manager. Okay. He didn't allow me to hit.

That's a pretty big strike zone if you had to hit. He didn't allow me to hit. Yeah. That would have been. And in MVP, I'm cracking them out. Really? 400. Yeah.

How many pitches was it? Were you just throwing fast balls? No, no, I was throwing fast sliders. I was throwing change up. Yeah. My change up because my hands are so big. I can't do the circle change. So I hold the ball like this loosely and throw it as hard as I can

and it'll take like 10 miles off. That's baseball. Must be nice. Must be nice. I wish I could go up there and just throw like, after not throwing a baseball for 15 years, just go up there and burn 190. Yeah.

Yeah, bro. It would be really nice. All right. So the OBL, check it out. I heard you're playing whoever wins. You're playing them one-on-one. I'm done. Cooked.

I heard that was finished. I heard that you were going to play for the final championship. What'd you say? Are you done or are you finished? Yeah. That's me. I can show you how to check up the ball real dirty. You'll never get beat.

I need that tactic. You know? That's pretty nice. Throw it. Hey, what's that over there? And then you check it back to them and then get them all back. You've got all the tricks. Yeah.

I mean, when you suck, you have to get good at cheating. You've got to find something. You've got to do something else, right? You've got to find advantages, huh? Right. Well, Tracy, thank you so much. We really appreciate it. No, thank you, guys, man.

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in your morning after stories. I love Revitalight. You will too. The best way to get rid of that hangover, Revitalight. Okay, let's wrap up the show. We got Firefest of the Week, Hank. What's your Firefest? I don't know.

I don't know how serious I want to get with our relationship, but I have another one. I'm we're good, dude. We're good? They kind of hate me, but that's a separate conversation for a separate day. I do not hate you at all. I'm like scared.

I miss you. I miss you. You have meetings all the time. I miss my friends. So the thing is, but then I come downstairs and you just give me the desk there. The thing is, you're not one of us anymore. It's not true.

What does that mean? It's all rooted in a place of love. I don't know if it is. We're mad that you don't love us back anymore. Yeah. So this is defense mechanism. I think I was like, you should do this, and then now it makes me regret it every day of my life.

No, fuck that. That's not true. Now I got to say nice things to you. I already said nice things to you. You're doing a great job, honey. Sweetie, I love you so much. I'm so proud of you. My Firefest of the Week.

When you come down and you try to pretend like you're one of the guys still, makes me want to throw up in my mouth. Let's stop from going through it. I'm going through an identity crisis. Yeah, you are. Hey, that's OK, though. Hank was waiting at the doorway this morning

as we were on our way to the studio. He was standing there, and he just stuck his fist out, and he was fist bumping us when we were coming in. Like the last guy, like the last security guard when an NBA team is going out and under the court, he was like, let's go, guys. Let's have a good show today. Have a good show.

Never once in the history of part of my take has Hank done that. Yeah. Well, usually I'm doing stuff now. I'm not like, what's going on right now? I'm like, trying to figure out, you know, like, I don't know. It's like a. We thought there was a hidden camera.

We're like, wait, are we getting pranked right now? What is he doing? I'm like, it's like I graduated in three years, and I come back to college, and everyone's still living their life doing their thing. And I'm like, kind of like. So you're better than us. Yeah, you're better than us.

Or like, whatever, I dropped out. I dropped out. I don't know. It's like you go back to hang out with boys, and they're like, nobody's got a job, and they're still like living with their parents. Or whatever, I was a year older. I can't drink six nights a week anymore, guys.

It's time to grow up. That's kind of how I feel like when I come down. I draw girls. It was great seeing my boys, but holy shit. They live like fucking animals. I would never want to go back there. No, it's like, I do want to come back. But when I come back, I just like, I open the room,

and the music turns off, record scratch, and everyone just stares at me like, what the fuck are you doing here? Who brought the cop? Yeah, I mean, you are your upper management. What do you want us to say? I don't know. My real fire fest.

The fumps were so, they definitely threw me off. It was really weird. I was just like, what's going on right now? I thought he was going to lock us in the room, and there would be no air left. And then he just like, keep us shut in there, and we would all die. I was like, I was coming down to hang out,

and then Big Cal was like, you never come down to hang out. And then I was like, I came down to hang out, and I got shamed for it. Everything I do, shame. You know what Hank? We're going to have a great time at Top Gun. Yes, I'm excited for that. I can't go, my son is sick.

Sorry. My fire fest is I got spoofed, or... Boofed? You got boofed. I don't even, I can't think. You got spoofed. My brain isn't working. I got pranked, or I got...

You can't, yeah. I mean, this is the creative side. Your brain doesn't... Spoofed. It doesn't exist anymore. Faked out? I bet if we just put a, if we put it, if we put like a bunch of bagels and coffee out on the table,

and we're like, hey, welcome to the 9am meeting, your brain would turn right back on. Catfished? Not kind of catfished. Tom Brady posted a video. You got j-macked. I got j-macked. I got j-macked hard.

I don't know what I was thinking. He posted a video where it's like a drone shot. It looks like he hits like a, whatever, 200 yard, hold it out, and I saw it and was like, holy shit, this is the greatest shot of all time. Reposted it on my Instagram, and then every single person, like, I have people text me and be like, there's no way you think that's real, right?

And then I watched it a couple more times. I was like, this is clearly the most fake video of all time. I thought it was real. Really? Yeah, I was like, because I watched it once. I was scrolling through Instagram. You thought they just happened to have the perfect drone shot of the perfect golf shot.

If they're droning every single one of his shots, it's not that crazy. Like, he does all his stuff in his videotape all the time now. So I scrolled through, saw it, didn't even think twice about it. I think that's bullshit that he's faking that. Hank's like, I can't believe that Tom Brady threw a football at the moon and it turned into Bitcoin. That was crazy.

But I also- Well, that's what my initial reaction was like, this is real. And then I was thinking about the past videos he's posted, which were also fake, and it was like, duh. But I don't think you should apologize for that, Hank, because I think that it's- I never want to be a person who everything I see is like,

that's fake. Yeah, that would suck. He's my hero. I want to believe him. I still think that those old NFL fantasy football videos where it was Braille net, where it's catching football is blindfolded. Chris Cooley threw the drywall.

Michael Vick throwing the football out of the stadium. I still think that those were real. There should be a law that you can't fake something that is conceivably real like that, because again, it just sucks to be online where everything is like, oh, fake, that's fake, that's rigged, that's fake. That sucks. Agreed.

It's a terrible life to live. Agreed. Except that one was just obviously fake, though. But I like watch it for two seconds. It was a sick video, though. If it was real. Yeah. Maybe the greatest golf shot ever.

And drone shots were like- I agree with that. I agree with that. Always- Like golf film shot. Those new drone shots are like getting cooler and cooler, the one we did in the office. Like it seemed like something similar to that,

and I just watched it, like I scrolled it, and I was like, oh, that's cool. And they sold it really well. Yeah. So that was my firefest. OK. All right. Good firefest, Hank.

Thanks. A plus. Also, I left my Apple Watch at home. Oh. Oh, that's tough. Also, a quick Apple Watch discussion blows my mind. I'm new to the Apple Watch life. It is a corporate move, and I joined the ranks.

Jake Marsh wears his in the shower, and it blows my mind every day. Yeah, I do, too. It's waterproof, right? Yeah, remember, that was my firefest before. You have to put on the teardrop thing. I'm way too scared to do it. You have to touch it.

I check my messages in the shower. Yeah. Yeah. Sometimes you could voice text in the shower. Yeah. Not me. Really? No, I'm just kidding.

You've never had a waterproof watch before? I just break things all the time, so it's like, yeah, bringing technology in the shower just doesn't really make sense to me. I get that there's a feature to prevent it, but I'm not buying it. Apple Watch is, in my opinion, ruined academia, because literally they're the number one thing used to cheat.

Yep. No one was cheating before Apple Watch. I know, but it's so much easier. How do you cheat using an Apple Watch? You can get people to text you stuff and text them back without anyone knowing. Can't the teacher be like, why are you just looking at your watch throughout this entire test?

No, because it's so much easier to hide. It's just rampant uses of it. I've never had an Apple Watch, but I wanted to buy one just because it would have been so much easier. Billy was a huge academia fan before the Apple Watch came along and ruined everything. Now there's no integrity in college, rumor. Exactly.

OK, PFT, you're back. My firefest is that I've had two years, two and a half years, to prepare, and I haven't done shit to improve myself for the XFL tryouts that I just found out are going to be in October with Nick Novak, the former NFL kicker. He's running the XFL tryouts for special teams. And I've been saying, oh, I've got two and a half years.

Oh, I've got two years. I've got a year and a half left. I've got a year left. I'll start to work and I'll start to get in shape. I haven't kicked a football since I got cut from the XFL. So I retired. No, I retired from the NFL. Right.

Are you retiring from the XFL? I'm considering retiring from the XFL. You got to do a press conference. I'm going to, I will be doing a press conference to announce my decision. I'm going to talk with my family, and I'm going to figure out what's best for the future. If there is a future for a 37-year-old in the XFL,

people are saying that there might not be. Also, there's something in the paperwork that you have to fill out saying that you had to play college football within the last like five years. I don't know if they count NCAA football like on Xbox. I'm going to find out. I've got my agents and representatives reaching out to find out the details behind that,

or if maybe there's a fake college that I can enroll in in order to qualify for the XFL. But I think I'm going to make my decision the next two weeks because the summer is coming up. Yeah, you can't, you got to let yourself, yeah. If the trial was going to be like in March, then I could be like, all right, yeah, I can, you know, during the winter time,

I'll work out and I'll do some kicking. But like, this is summer. I'm going to be at the beach. Yeah. I don't want to sacrifice my entire summer just to get good at kicking footballs. So I'll be thinking about it. I'm considering all options that are all on the table right now.

Whatever you do, we support you. I'm following my heart. I'm following my heart right now, guys. So thank you for your thoughts. Okay. We support you. Thank you. All right.

My firefest is I miss Hank. That's it. The old Hank. The old Hank. No, my real firefest is I woke up today and I found out I have the softest hands at Barstool. That's why he's been pissed this whole time. No, Billy.

That's why the vibes have been off. It was the first thing that he can't sense to me. Dude, literally, literally. So here's what happened. So when I got better, PFD told me about this, which makes it even funnier. I guess on the group text in Macrodosing, Billy sent his hands and Ariane said,

your hands are soft. And Billy just immediately goes, Big Cat's hands are soft. No, no, no. He said that Drake, the rapper, had some softest hands. Tell us, I'll walk through the entire story. So in Macrodosing yesterday, we were talking to the Ariane and he was saying how, one time he dapped up Drake

and he was like, Drake has the softest hands that ever have shaken my life. He's like, I dapped him up twice over the course of a seven-year span and they're crazy soft, weirdly soft. And then Billy sent a picture of his hands to the group chat because we're talking about getting lead stuck in your hand. And then Ariane was like,

yo, Billy, you've got some soft fucking hands. And he got triggered. And then Billy was like, actually, Loki, you know who has the softest hands in the office? This is crazy. And then- What? Yes, how crazy is this?

And then I was like, Billy, don't say it. And then he texted the group chat. I was like, I would not say this out loud because you literally just got back for no reason. He just was like, Big Cat's got soft hands. Coley said it. I was like, you just got soft hands? Yeah.

I haven't seen Coley in like six- No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Coley read Billy's text. I knew he's wanting to cut it from the show because I knew he just like such a big deal. I do have soft hands. I have blogger hands. I've lived a life of blogging.

The funny part to me is- What goes into that? Billy thinks that he has like coal miner hands. Dude, I literally- Captain Kahn's went and looked at them. And Captain Kahn's like, your hands don't even have calcium. Bro, I have calcium. You can see them.

Let me see. You can see them on my hands. So Billy pretending that he's like this hard-working blue collar guy is amazing. Look, I'm not here to say I'm that, but I have a resume that like- He worked construction for his dad. So I'm sure he worked for him six years ago.

I worked like every year in summer. Billy, did you wear gloves when he played football? Did you do like an internship at a fucking financial company? Yeah, for one summer, but like literally all through high school in the summer after- And then you worked here after. Right. Yes, then the summer after I worked at an excavation company

and then I went into violence. Damn, your hands must be grizzled. They were back then. Billy, did you wear gloves when you played football? Not in high school. So in college, yes. Yeah, that's it. I'm ready to switch back to that.

But it was like, what do you switch? Well, Billy, you know who didn't wear gloves in college? Jack McClossens. Grandson. Is Nick O'Leary related to Jack Nicklaus? Wait, who? The guy on FSU. Yeah, he's Jack Nicklaus's grandson.

Holy shit. So yeah, I mean, I have soft hands because I've been blogging for 10 years. I've been living in their cat. I know, but it wasn't simple. I was saying you had soft hands. Billy thinks that he has hard hands. I have fucking hard hands. Billy, you're no different than us.

Dude, I'm literally the one thing I had when boxing was they told me I had heavy hands and that was a compliment. You don't have heavy soft, but wait. Your trainers that were gassing you up trying to convince you like you're going to win the fight. Or your dad who had your work construction who I'm sure was making you work the hardest shit. Yeah.

Well, actually it was fucking like if I didn't work hard, then it would be look bad on my dad. So I was busting my ass. Oh, OK. There's one way to do this. Like I don't know why we're making this like such a like we like. You could have just not said because of something. I know where I literally wanted to cut it because I know what you're saying.

The first place. Yeah. Because he. Arian made funny your hands and then you're like, you know, who's got really soft hands? No, no. That's literally what PFT said. It's kind of what I'm not the only one who said that.

What? I'm not the only one in the history who said that. Said what? Wait, did anyone else like the message? There's multiple people that are saying that has soft hands. Look, you know, just what I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Now we have to find out.

Yeah. It's been on this show. What? Yeah. Who? Actually, we may. What? What are you talking about?

It's been on the show. And the listeners will know. What are you talking about? The listeners will know. So then say what it is. Does Jay Cap soft hands? That's not an insult. By the way, I've literally been blogging for 10 years.

Of course, my hands are soft. I don't pretend to be some like coal miner like Billy. Not pretending to be a coal miner. I just like. Captain Collins went up and looked at his hands like, dude, you don't even have calluses. Because I was in the army who served overseas. Yeah.

Was like, dude, those are soft hands. I've got calluses on my fingertips. I've got probably the hardest. Dude, I think I've got the hardest fingertips in the office. Hard ass hands. I fucking mitts, bro. I don't know why this is.

Billy. Okay, there's one way to decide this. Dude, you're a blogger. There's literally. Hey, no, I've got it. There's one way to decide this. I think that the best in the office executing handshakes.

Jake should blindfoldedly shake both of your hands and then say whose hands are harder. I don't know. But I know I have soft hands. Yeah. Because I just think the part that's just funny to me is that Billy thinks he has these hands that like construction hands for like he's like a 65 year old

like retiree who's been working in his. He can't even straighten his fingers anymore. Yeah. I'm not saying that. He worked two summers in construction. He's got hands that are steel. Are we doing whatever? Do a handshake.

I really don't give a fuck about this. This is crazy. Jake, send that chair right there. You definitely don't. That's why you. I mean, you're attacking me after respond. I mean, we're all about ball busting, right? But you.

Yeah, right. You. Yeah. I mean, we're all about ball busting, right? Aaron made fun of your hands. I made one comment. I made one comment about your. I'll close my eyes.

Okay. Can you pull your hand over your eyes? I made one comment about like, you know. But do you realize that this is blown up so much. Aaron saying your soft hands got you so upset. That's not because that's literally just listen to the tape. It's not like that crazy. It's it's a text message.

No, it was on air. It was on the podcast. We had the discussion on the podcast. And then Billy got upset that his hands were soft. Yes. Yes. I literally. I have never been told that my entire.

Everyone I have. Whatever. So that's why that's the part that's funny to me. You know, you know what? Okay. I'll step back. Maybe I've been seeing the degradation of my hand that used to be absolute like fucking granite blocks of granite.

You know, now that I'm becoming, I'm not as strong as I used to be. Yeah, we know athletic. I'm slowing down. My hands have lost their calluses. Now maybe I'm self conscious about that. Yeah. Because I'm slowly. Carrying my hands.

There it is. To your hand. There it is. That's therapy. That is. That was good. Good job. Really good job.

Yes. But I still would like job. That's growth. Because I like if you had like a construction worker shake my hand and like you have soft hands. I'd be like, yeah, dude, I do. Yeah. I've literally been working inside for my life.

I still want to know who has softer hands though. Okay. So Jake, close your eyes and then we're going to mix it up right now. You both you guys stand up. Billy, stand up. Okay. So you can't hear you go. All right.

You go first. Okay. Second handshake. Okay. All right, Jake. Who had harder hands? One or two? First.

So Billy's got soft hands. Oh, yeah. Yes. Oh, yes. You knew. You can tell. You can tell who's hands. No, Jake's not a liar.

I don't know. Jake's not a liar. Oh, no. Billy, you have softer hands than me. That's not even true at all. I feel bad because it was a harder handshake too. That could have played a factor. It was right.

It was a harder handshake. So the first was a harder handshake. Yeah. You had a double whammy. A dead fish. Oh, I didn't. Well, honestly, I didn't go harder on the handshake because it was like. Did I?

I did a regular handshake. Whatever you do. Excuse me. Whatever you do. Whatever. Anyway, my fire fest. My fire fest is that I cracked my phone and I even bought a life proof case. So how did you crack it?

I fucking, I was running through the woods and like fell, cracked it. I don't. Did you really fall? Is that true story? Yeah, fucking. I was trying to move through the woods really fast. Yeah. So I think you were stalking somebody.

Yeah, what happened? Did you? Did it fall out of your little baby hands? Dude, I'm just going to post a picture of my hands to Twitter right now. Yeah, that'll be good. No, it's going to roast these. Definitely. That's going to go well for you and you're not going to get upset.

It's going to make things so much worse. So much worse. No, because I my hands are my hands. Right. Which is why you're totally comfortable and confident in them. Which is why this is why you're back to post it. Dude, you have soft hands energy. So this is this is getting into like the third or fourth layer of Billy's Freudian

lizard brain right now, right? Where it's like it started with someone insulting him. So he then insulted someone else. And now we've led to a point where he's he's like quadrupling down. You missed some some special memes. It's it's unfortunate. But Jake judged and I have harder and stronger and harder hands than Billy. Not true.

Well, I mean, Jake said it was. Jake would never lie. Billy, I honestly, I'll I'll I'll like disavow my own title as stronger and tougher hands than you. I don't want it. I don't want the title. This bit is going on for way too long. I don't want the belt.

Take the belt. I don't want it. You take it. I mean, you've literally been pissed off all day. Because I have soft hands. I'm admitting I have soft hands. They're as soft as you've been pissed off. You don't have hard hands.

You are not as tough as you think you are. I absolutely am. I feel like I like. OK, OK. All right, Jake, your firefest. My firefest is I diary on the show the other day. So we already talked about it. But that was that was a low point of the week.

Yeah, it was a very tough. Yeah, that was it. And people were they thought that it was unprofessional of you. Listen, I will say this. If I was going into a game, I would not have a cheese steak as a pregame meal. Yes, yeah. So now. OK, but what about this, Jake?

What if you had food poisoning from the night before and you had to call the Super Bowl? Would you wear a diaper on the air? I am fortunate to call the Super Bowl one day. I will have like a plain turkey sandwich. No, but OK. What if they're salmonella poisoned? Yeah. OK, all the bagel with cream cheese.

OK, cream cheese is poison, too. It's a poison cream cheese. OK, I'll have fruit. The question is, Jay, fruit always goes banana. The question is, would you wear a diaper on the air if you had E. coli during the Super Bowl? Yeah. You'd have to. That's true.

You'd have to. That's fair. Yeah. And hopefully the person you were doing it with would be cool about it. I feel like they'd also have to have diarrhea. Tony Romo would be fine with it. Yeah, you'd have to. Yeah.

Tony Romo would have to get diarrhea and solidarity. Yeah, that's fair. Yeah. All right. Memes, do you have a FireFest or the Rangers? That and I keep forgetting to pay for parking. So I'm just racking up. What does that mean?

You have to get out of the car and you just. Yeah, so there's an app on my phone. That I have to pay it on. Okay. And I just get on the train and forget until like six o'clock the next day and just hope I don't have it taken on my car. You know what, I'm almost in favor of just putting the chip in my arm and letting me just like scan shit as I walk through.

Yeah, I know it's like it's egregious and it's not a good idea for for like personal liberty. But I'm at the point where like I forget to do so much stuff. I just as much magic as can happen where stuff gets taken out of my bank account and put in other people's accounts that I owe money to. I'm fine with it at this point. It's also one of those things that if now that it's automated, you forget because it's so easy to forget. Whereas before it's like, oh, I need quarters to go to the meter, put them in.

I'm really dating myself right now. But that you had that action. They still have that, but they made it easier now that there's. But worse for you. Not easy. I just get on the train and forget. Yeah. And it's like you forget to pay 25 cents and pay $50 for a ticket.

Yeah, that is brutal. How much money do you owe? I think it's like 250. 250 dollars a ticket. Damn. Damn. Oh, in total. Damn.

All right. Numbers. Anything else? Numbers. 26. No show Monday. Show Tuesday. No show Monday.

Show Tuesday. Sorry. That's good. Good call, Jake. Oh, actually my real fire fest. I'm sorry. I forgot to say I love you on Wednesday's show. Ah, I forgot to tell you guys that I loved you guys.

I do love you guys. We interviewed Bo Polini and we interviewed it. Like we did that interview first. And so it didn't feel like the end of the show. I forgot to say I love you guys afterwards. I apologize. I'll never do it again. From this point on, you'll never see a podcaster love his audience

more than I love you guys. That's beautiful. God bless. That's beautiful. All right. 26. 25. 69.

33. 6. 41. Hank picked 10. I'll say 10. 72. 72. I feel like we had 72 last night.

Oh, we had a lot of numbers last night. 72 is a little glitch here. Six time. Six time. All right. There are salamanders that live entirely their whole lives in redwood trees, reproducing and eating and surviving without ever touching the ground.

Love you guys. Shine away. I'll be coming for your love of great. Take on me. Take me on. I'll be gone. I'll be gone. I'll be gone.

I'll be gone. I'll be gone. I'll be gone. I'll be gone. I'll be gone. I'll be gone. I'll be gone. I'll be gone.

It's no better to be safe than sorry. Take on me. Take me on. I'll be gone. I'll be gone. I'll be gone. All the things that you say, yeah, is in life though. Just to play my worries away.

You're all the things I've got to remember. You're shying away. I'll be coming for you anyway. Take on me. Take me on. I'll be gone. I'll be gone. I'll be gone.