Pardon My Take - Warriors Win The NBA Finals, Hank Was Live On The Wood For Game 6, Golf Writer Bob Harig From The US Open Plus Cubs Patrick Wisdom And Frank Schwindel

Episode Date: June 17, 2022

The Golden State Warriors are your 2022 NBA Champions. Hank was live on the wood for Game 6 and explains his experience. We give the Warriors their credit and Steph gets his signature Finals MVP as well as their likeability as a Dynasty. (00:03:13-00:38:06) We then talk Stanley Cup Final, US Open and our colleague is now the Commissioner of the Mike Trout Fantasy League. (00:39:31-00:53:37) Bob Harig joins us live from the US Open to talk about his new book Tiger & Phil, the LIV tour, the US Open course and more with bonus incredible Phil stories from back in the day. (00:54:56-01:24:05) Cubs Patrick Wisdom and Frank Schwindel join the show in studio to talk baseball and some poorly timed questions about Frank pitching in blowouts (taped last Thursday). (01:24:10-01:52:49) We finish with Fyre Fest of the week and Billy thinks he can not show up to work because he's a big shot who got drunk on Wednesday night. (01:53:49-02:22:24)You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/PardonMyTake

Hey, pardon my take listeners. You can find every episode on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime members can listen ad free on Amazon Music. On today's part of my take, the Golden State Warriors are NBA champions. We have Henry Lockwood live from the wood post game. He was forced to watch the entire celebration and not leave the wood. We're going to get his recap. We're going to talk about the NBA Finals.

We have a pack show. We have golf. We have hockey. We have Steven Shea becoming the fantasy commissioner of Mike Trout's Fantasy Football League. We have great interview with Bob Herig talking golf. We have Patrick Wisdom and Frank Schwindel on the show. Just a heads up, we taped it last week. So we've had some events.

The Cubs have gotten significantly worse in the past week, which is hard to say, but it is the truth. And then we have Firefest, which is also an all time Billy moment. So make sure you tune in. There's a lot, a lot going on on today's show. And we are brought to you by our friends at visible. What would you do with the extra money? You'd say from switching to visible, you could pay $60 with some carriers,

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Go to visible.com slash pod. Get unlimited single line wireless for as low as $25 a month. Today is Friday, June 17th, and the Golden State Warriors are your NBA champions. Steph Curry puts an absolute stamp on his legacy. Four time champion wins his MVP. What what a series and not not really what a series, but what a what a dynasty by them. And PFT, I'll start with you, but I think everyone just wants to hear from Hank. No, yeah, I'll keep it short and sweet.

It is June 17th and Hank Lockwood is dead. Steph Curry is now in the conversation for best basketball player of all time. All time. But he still hasn't had the MVP trophy handed to him by the commissioner yet because we had the backup commissioner true that filled in for Silver and did that tonight. I'm sure that somebody will bring that up tomorrow on one of the shows. But most importantly, there was somebody weighed in a very important sports figure weighed in Lil B. And he said, Warriors better than Bulls and Jordan Warriors,

Warriors best team to ever do it. Warriors better than Jordan. So there you have it. This team is the greatest basketball team ever assembled. So at least you can take solace in that, Hank. You lost to the best team of all time, according to Lil B. The debates will be fun off of this one, but we should we should talk about the game and we had our live correspondent, Henry Lockwood

on the wood, on the court for game six, Hank. But I'm just sad, like I'm very, very sad. I. Well, first of all, like it's just one of those things where it's crazy. Like I do I like sitting in those seats. I feel like an imposter. I'm like, why am I sitting in these seats? And I don't know that I'll ever sit in those seats again. So I was just trying to take it all in.

And it was an unbelievable experience sitting there. The game part of it absolutely fucking sucked. Watching the Warriors come back to the bench and hearing them celebrating absolutely sucked. Kind of right in your face, a little bit. Can I ask a question real quick about the seats? Sure, big cat. Did you think about doing anything about that guy

that was boxing you out all night because he was dominating you guys? No, I mean, no, I don't know what you're talking about. The guy to your left. He was boxing me out. I mean, he was he was dominating the line of scrimmage. Yeah, I didn't notice that. He was he had some some some G rated chirps that. Were tough to listen to.

Oh, no, I've got he actually listen. He actually took Clay's statement to heart and was like, we got to clean this up. We got to come on, come on, Clay, don't beat us tonight. Like. And then, like, said, like, good luck to Steve Kerr before the game. But like Steve Kerr turned around. I was like, thank you. Like, that's how close it was.

Whereas he's like, good luck, coach. And like he turned around and was like, thanks, man. Wow, Boston soft. Oh, no. You changed Boston. Hank, I have a serious question about the game, though. Sure. PFT. Yeah. Thanks for calling on me, Hank. What was the logic that went behind changing your shirt?

And did you bring like a backup shirt to wear or did you find that? Did you buy it new in the stands? How did that work out? I was going to wear this shirt that we just came out with for Derek White, who fucking sucks is maybe the worst player in the last two games. So that was just dumb on my part, because I thought about it after game three. And by the time the shirt was made, he was just an absolute garbage can. But I wore that to the pop up shop.

And then Dave was like, it'd be funny if we wore these matching Celtics and seven shirts. So I just put that on over my Derek White shirt. And then the third quarter, it was bad. Like they had no momentum. You know, it felt like it felt like the game was over, honestly, in the in the second quarter. And going into the third quarter, I just took it off and was like,

if there's any chance there's anything I can do, let me switch shirts. And they kind of started to fight back. But they did never, they just never got over the hump. Like they just they would take it to nine, turn the ball over. They would hit a three. We would hit a three. We would get a stop, turn the ball over. Like they just couldn't get that score, stop, score, stop, score that they needed to come all the way back and get it within like five or six.

They just they just couldn't get over the hump. Jason Tatum played really, really, really fucking bad. Mark Smart played pretty fucking. He was just he was like, I mean, it's just Marcus Smart. He lived and died with him, but he was he was wilding out. Was it was a moment too big for for Tatum? It's like Al Tuve is Tatum double teams. It's like he never got judges the moment.

Well, he's just never gotten double team before. I guess. Hank, do you want to keep doing doom and gloomer? We can cheer you. We can try to cheer you up. Sure. Big cat. All right. Well, I'll try to cheer you up. And I want to talk about the Warriors, too, after this. But I mean, that sucked for you. And that was a brutal ending,

especially because that 12 to two start, you're like, oh, geez. Like this is this is going to start. And turns out that was like them emptying the tank. I did think that the Celtics fighting like it's going to sound like loser talk, but deserves a tiny bit of credit because there was a moment there where it was like, are the Warriors going to win by 40? And like, Steph is going to spend the last 24 minutes of this game

dancing and like rocking the baby to sleep. And so them fighting a little bit there was nice. Robert Williams, again, probably the like Jalen Brown played really well, but like Robert Williams, like he was everywhere. He'll never give up. And what I would say, Hank, in a spin zone for you is this team is still young. Like I said, Jason Tatum, 14 years old, like he's going to be he'll learn.

And he was a no show, but he'll learn and he'll get better. And you can't, right? Like, isn't there something about that? Like that you can you can go to bed being like, this is the growing pains of the NBA. This is what like good teams have to do to become great. Tatum might have shown us true colors. Like that's that's who he is under the bright lights. I don't know.

But that's a good spin zone. Hank, I'm just trying to help you, Hank. I mean, I feel like the only real good comparison to the Celtics team is the fucking Thunder and they never got back. You've never, by the way, I don't. I don't want to make any of this about me, but you have not congratulated me about my future yet. Fuck you. You haven't. Everyone else did.

I just feel bad for for the city of Boston. There are kids in Boston that are about to start preschool that have never seen a parade. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, I guess. Yeah. It's tough. The so, Hank, what did you have to you had to sit there and watch the entire is that like a issue with being on the wood? They were like, you actually have to stay and watch this entire presentation.

Yeah, it was actually that we got told, you know, the guy that was walking us to and from our seats told us, basically, he's like, you guys can either leave with like three minutes left. But if you stay, you have this like, we're not going to be able to get you out until like, you know, the stage gets out there and stuff. We didn't stay for the whole trophy ceremony, but we had to stay and watch them celebrate for like for 10 minutes after. What was the worst part, Billy? Sorry.

I know you're falling asleep. What was the worst part of like, what was the worst part? Well, I was a dream on quickly, quickly before. I mean, I'll just tell this funny story. But the so we knew that we knew we had to stay there and we had security next to us and the people next to us basically were like didn't know or whatever and just tried to power through it. And the security guard put his arm out and this guy just like

just mowed right over him in the security guard, like had to chase him down and hold him back. And like the guy who I'm sure probably paid fucking. Six figures for tickets was like, I'm not like, why are you stopping me? Like I'm leaving. And the guy was like, no, you're not. It was it was it was pretty wild. He was like taking prisoner. Well, the guy was like, he was trying to get out. And the security guard was like, we can't like, you know, we can't let you leave.

And the guy was like, I'm going to fucking leave. And the guy was like, I can't let you leave. Like Jesus, it was a standoff. So it was and the guy just and the guy just and the guy just and basically just ran away and I'm getting out of here. Yeah, the exterior was like, OK, fuck. You watching the trophy presentation, all that stuff, that's like when digs watch the chiefs get their trophy afterwards.

You want to you want to watch you want to feel that sting. So you remember it. So you fight harder next time. I would say the worst part. I mean, Dremont's threes were tough. The third quarter, the beginning of the third quarter, when they just came out, turned the ball over, gave up a three, turned the ball over. Like they had the chance and they just or it was being in the fourth quarter.

I forgot what it was. They cut it to eight. They were they cut it. They were it was being in the fourth quarter, my bad, because they cut it to 12 or whatever. It just it just felt like they were right there and they just didn't come out with any any fire, any desire. Yeah. Hold on. Cut this part, Billy. Just turn off your camera.

I don't want to watch you doze off in my face. Yeah, I just don't. I like it's very distracting. OK, back. Well, there's no positive spin zone right now. You're just going to have to soak in it like how bad it was. But like there's I mean, you have to be able to be like, that was an incredible at least run. No. I'm trying to help you, Hank.

I'm trying to pull you out of out of the depths here. I'm trying to pull you out of your grave because I saw that Henry Lockwood, who double fist pumped and looked like his entire he lost control of his entire body when they cut it to eight, like you said. And he looked like he was getting electrocuted. It was crazy. He really was. He was he was he was Marv from Home Alone.

Or Harry, a camera. Harry from Marv, I was Marv. Yeah, he was Marv. Harry was Joe Pesci. That was Dave. Besides the besides the 12 to two opening run, that was the only glimmer of hope. Like besides that, it was just battling back or just watching them just cash threes in our face.

The the like Marcus Smart. What happened like when the game, Steph, what he hit him in the nuts or something, he just fell to the ground and then hit a wide open three. Like that was the game. It's just it's just sad. I mean, obviously, like again, like I don't think I'll probably ever sit in the wood again.

And if I do, I'll be very happy. But like if I don't, I'll always appreciate those three games. And like there are some unbelievable memories. But see, there it is. You got to see some. I mean, you touched a NBA finals game ball and almost shot it. Like you have. I got another one tonight. You guys saw that. I saw that.

You gave it back really quick, though. Yeah. Well, I mean, I didn't want to. The first time it was just I didn't want to, like, I don't know. I don't want to be a liability. I don't want to get like you're the fellow ball guy. I don't want to get to put on no wood. This you're the Zach Campbell of the NBA playoffs. You should have just checked up a shot

because then you wouldn't have to watch the Warriors celebrate. Yeah. Yeah. Stuff is crying. You step. All right. So are you is there a firefest you wanted to do? You had an extra firefest because I wanted to I do want to give the Warriors like their credit and talk about this run. I mean, Liam, Liam will be able to read.

You guys know my my love for Gucci main, probably top top three favorite rapper of all time in my personal opinion, like my one of my favorites. He was there. And I mean, this is going to sound this is this is just wood, wood problems. But there's a story of this podcast for you, huh? Yeah. In between half time, they bring you to this Putnam Club where they have drinks and food and stuff.

And you can hang out in between halves with the other wood elites. And Dave, they give Dave like a table. So he's like the elite of the elite. And they're like, oh, you're going to be sitting next to Gucci main at halftime and I like freaked out. Dave doesn't even know who Gucci main, but his girlfriend's a big fan, too. And so when we got back there, it's like private, like it wasn't like a force. It wasn't like, you know, like, can we take a picture?

Like it wasn't like crazy. It was just our table was literally next to him. And Dave was like, before I could even do it, Dave, very casually. It was just sitting right next to him was like, hey, man, can we take a picture? Like I'm going to send to my girlfriend at Gucci main was just like, no. He's like, he's just like, he's just like, he's just like, no, I'm eating. No, this is before the game. No, this is at halftime.

Oh, no, Hank. That's stuff. It was it was me, Dave, and then Gucci main and his crew. And then Dave Matthews band and his crew. Like that was the table. Dude, what a sick, sick group that is. If I could have got a picture with Gucci, that like maybe would have been a nice spin zone or like, you know, some nice takeaway from the night.

But no, it's it's the it's the memories you made along the way. That's that's what the real NBA championship is. I do think obviously this is right after the loss. And this is what the people want to see is you doom and gloom right after a loss. But I think in like a few days, you'll come around to like, hey, listen, if I feel like the Celtics are Jason Tatum, not avoiding all contact when going to the hoop away from maybe winning an NBA title. All three like that's all they.

And I do think Richard Jefferson when he said like, I do think there's an element of maybe they were just cooked, like they were just absolutely gas like the last three games, they just had so many inex inexplicable turnovers. And every time they drove to the hoop, they didn't get fouled or foul calls. And they just didn't like they were just basically driving, looking for foul calls. And then when they didn't get the foul call, they just couldn't finish. Well, there was also so many in and outs in the third quarter.

Like it's not even an excuse. Like it is what it is to make or miss league. But again, in that climb back, there was like two or three in and outs and then two or three miss layups where it was just like, like they just could not get the momentum. Like they were they were inching for it, but they just couldn't like you need to probably get two or three straight scores to really have the momentum. And they just couldn't do it.

He is obsessed with that Euro step too. When he gets to the basket, he takes like he's he looks like he slows down to almost half speed when he gets close. Instead of going up like into the guy, he'll take two steps and just like step completely around somebody, make a worse angle for his shot, make it easier to block and usually make it just like tougher to get up and then not even get the opportunity to go to the foul line. I can't I don't know exactly what the numbers were, but it seemed like

nobody shot foul shots tonight on either team. Yeah, no, they didn't. And it is like, I know we joke about Jason Tatum's age, but he is 24 and he will get better because like you'd think that the prime of someone's career is probably their late 20s, right? Like physically and their strength and everything. But if he can just figure out a way to not have it, it's so bizarre watching him go to the hoop and you could say he's injured.

I'm just going to assume that yeah, he's a little injured, but so is everyone right now. He goes to the basket and he avoids contact and then he gets mad when there's no foul, even though he avoided contact. And it's like if he can just figure out like I'm my I'm a big person who's got a strong frame, like I can just run over these people that might solve it right there. And also like you said, Hank, like they just the Celtics threw the ball away like it was nobody's business to last three games, just as sloppy as you could be. I'll tell you if you could if you could build an entire Celtics team out of the

heart of Robert Williams, Al Horford or Al Hofford, as Mark Jackson calls them. Those two guys, those are the guys that showed up. Those are the dudes that you can win a championship with for sure. Like if everybody played with that same level of intensity that they had, I do think that the Celtics, especially defensively, were a better team. But like you have to play a perfect game and everybody has to be turned up to 11 if you want to stop Steph Curry. And it was also played on real defense.

We know this give give I'll give them some credit. Yeah, so I wanted to talk about the words, but the last thing like we we know this every year, we learn this every year, we forget it during the regular season. Like bench doesn't really matter in the NBA finals in the playoffs, deep in the playoffs like it does because you need like one or two guys. But guys that were really good at playing bench minutes in February, like you need you need a five that is going to play like 42 minutes. You know what I mean?

Like it's just as bad as like Peyton Pritchard and those guys were. Like if you look at if you look at how the the Warriors ended up playing like the series, I mean, Kavan Looney was I bet on him every time. But they had Gary Peyton, Junior or the second and Jordan Poole. Like that was their bench. You know what I mean? Those two guys coming in and playing big minutes and being impactful in like, you know, you need like one or two guys at most.

You can't be like, oh, yeah, our bench is a strength. We have we go nine deep. Nine deep doesn't exist in the playoffs, you know, Jason Tatum. Not like, yeah, like I don't know why I just did it wasn't starting in the fourth quarter. Like that was that was insane to me. Yeah. All right. So let's let's talk about the Warriors and Hank, you can chime in anytime you want. So for championship with this core, like best Warriors team of all time.

If it is Hank said best Warriors team, most talented Warriors team of all time. I I don't know like Steph Curry. I can't remember a guy who has the double combo of insanely great all time great player and like also seems like an all time great dude where you you just end up rooting for him because he just like are there people who truly remember we used to do this as a bit like in 2017, we try to nitpick Steph Curry and be like, yeah, he's chewing on his mouth guard. Like that was what we could find to like be annoying about him.

That's how likable he is. His mouth guard is big and his shoes suck. That's all you got. He's got he's got four scum ankle braces. And it's like his parents are swingers, his parents are swingers. It's kind of cool. That's actually a plus. But like him crying at the end and like, you know, the fact that he was able to put the team on his back and have that seminal like stamp it moment where everyone always said,

oh, yeah, well, Kevin Durant, you know, his MVP for the 17 and 18 and it would always MVP for 2015. Like this was Steph Curry, like Steph Curry. And obviously we can talk about the other players, but this was Steph Curry's finals besides game five. He was incredible in every game. He had 34 tonight. He was six for 11.

Like every time he had the ball, the Celtics had to scramble and freak out. Every time he wasn't on the floor, you could feel it. He just had that presence about him. Whereas like this is his stage. This is his finals. This is his team. And to put a bow on it where like he wins the title in 15 and now wins the title in 22. It's it's crazy.

Like he's I don't know where he's number two point guard of all time. And I guess you could probably make the argument now that like people will probably argue that he's better than magic. I don't know. You know, I'm not an NBA historian, but I am. He is number two all time. I am an NBA historian. And I think that what we're going to see is like he's going to be in people's

conversation for the Mount Rushmore of NBA. He's not on there. The problem is who do people? Yeah, people are going to people are going to talk about him in there. And that's really all that matters to be in the conversation about that. Here's a crazy stat. This is from Secret Base. The number of NBA finals games where a player made at least six threes.

Steph Curry has 12 of them. Second place all time is Clay Thompson with four of those games. Then after that, you've got Danny Green with three, Ray Allen with two. And then everybody else tied with one. And again, Steph Curry has 12 of those games where he makes at least six threes. It's insane and Clay Thompson, like he's another guy where I, you know, there were definitely people who wrote him off. There are people who are like, he can't play in this.

Like he can't play in this series. He can't like he's he's cooked and you see like coming back from the double injury and being able to. Yeah, obviously he's not Clay Thompson that was before those two injuries. But he played after what game one or maybe it was game one and two, he played a great series. He gave them some crazy shot making. He played great defense and that also Hank, to give you another ray of light.

The Celtics were sloppy with the ball. The Warriors played incredible defense. Like they deserve so much credit for the defense they played. Clay played great defense. Andrew Wiggins, like he beat Jason Tatum one on one, like their matchup one on one. Andrew Wiggins was better in the, in these finals than Jason Tatum. Steph was all over the place. Just a menace with his hands in the lane.

Gary Payton, Jr. Dreymon was like Dreymon. Everyone was, he was cooked. He was absolutely cooked and he ended up having an incredible last few games to take them over the top. So like their defense was insane. Dreymon's also after the game, he was saying that he appreciated all the Boston sports fans.

He was like, it's a good fan base. I respect you guys. You guys got in my head a little bit. So he, he gave you guys some credit. Now, if you had beaten the Warriors, I don't think that Dreymon would have that same, he's the definition of a guy that can be like over the top classy. And do you guys know anybody like that? Maybe on this podcast, that's like super, super, super classy when they win to

the point where it's almost insulting to you. I don't know. I don't know if those type of people exist in the podcast world outside of Dreymon Green, but he like went over the top. Thank you, boss. And, and I will give credit to Dreymon. I think I asked Kirk Goldsbury, I was like, does Dreymon suck now? Is this just kind of what we're looking at?

And he played really well, especially in the last two games. Like he, he got back into being chaotic Dreymon, but like still playing the game of basketball, as opposed to what we saw early in the series, which was just like, we're going to put Dreymon on the floor and he's not really going to play the sport, but he's just going to go out there and piss everybody off. But it turns out that like when he gets locked in and he's focused, he's still a very capable player. I think he would probably like, he fits in perfectly on this Warriors team.

I'm not going to do the thing where I'm like, if you put Dreymon on a different day, if you put him on the Kings, how many titles do the Kings win? I'm not going to do that because that's not like Dreymon's game, but he is the perfect piece on this Warriors team. And there's something to be said for the people that put together the team, which is, yeah, you've got an all time great shooter and you got two all time through the best, two of the best shooters of all time. But, but still where the game was like 10 years ago, just because you had

two great shooters, that was not a guarantee that you're going to have any success whatsoever. So they kind of like reimagined the game of basketball a little bit, and they kind of designed a system, found players that worked for them. And it's actually been a really great system that not only got them to championships, but also kept them as the best team in the league for probably what, how many years would you say that like the Warriors have been the best team in the league when they're all healthy?

Like I mean, every year they've been all healthy. Yeah. Every single year they've been all healthy. And so I was listening to Windhorse, his podcast. I think it was yesterday or today and he clarified which, which, you know, this is a lesson that we should never take, you know, one line from something said on SportsCenter and be like, oh, like when he said the Warriors are outspending everyone and what his clarification was, it actually does make sense. And it's like, it's a good point.

The Warriors were the worst team in basketball two years ago. They had the worst, they had the worst record. Like they won 15 games or whatever it was when everyone was injured. Most franchises at that point would be like, all right, let's bail on like, let's, let's basically just keep Steph and we'll start shedding the parts and we'll live off legacy and like, you know, Steph will be great and he'll have moments of greatness and that will be cool. And we'll just sell merchandise for the three rings we had and that's awesome.

Instead, they're like, no, we're going to go get Andrew Wiggins. They're going to pay Kavan Luni when they could have just not like all these moves that they did where they're, they're basically saying, no, we're not going to shed all the parts and lose money or like shed all the money. We're going to still spend money even though we suck because we want to take another crack at this. And there are very few owners in all of sports that would do that. There are very few owners that would be like, we have the worst team and we're

also going to have the highest salary. Like they would, that just doesn't happen. So they deserve all the credit like for that. And it's, I mean, it's a crazy, crazy run. The fact they were able to do it with that gap of injuries and COVID is, it's nuts and it's just a testament to how good it goes. All of it goes back to Steph. Like he is the guy who stirs everything.

And can I, can I say real quick, I think Steve Kerr might be a good coach. So Steve Kerr now has nine rings. I think he probably knows the sport of basketball. I'm willing to concede that Steve Kerr is an intelligent basketball mind. He did have a good moment of self-deprecation when they were like, what, how do you do it? He's like, I just surround myself with superstars. It's like, yeah, good point.

Like Jordan Pippin, Tim Duncan, like Steph, all these guys, good point. And then I make sure to like follow around guys like Mark Jackson and then clean up their mess. And then I look like a genius. Yeah, but it is, I mean, I, so I had, I had one question and Hank, you're going to hate this question, but in terms of like unbiased, if you have no rooting interest, you know, your team's not involved. And, and there'll probably be people who will say this is an insane statement to say, just because of the Kevin Durant years and what he did and how mad people got.

Do you think the Warriors dynasty is one of the most likable dynasties? In terms of like their Q score. Yeah. Cause I, I know the Kevin Durant thing pisses everyone off, but I think, and I know people don't like Draymond, but the combo of Steph, Clay and Kerr are very likable guys, right? I'm trying to think of other dynasties to compare them to and dynasties almost by their very nature are, are unlikable. Right. Exactly.

Cause you just get sick of the same people. Right. So it's not like everyone loved Bill and Tom Patriots. Yeah, everyone did. First one and the second one. It's not like I love the Warriors, but I'm just saying in terms, like you said, PFT dynasties are meant to be unlikable, but I actually think that the, that the Bulls dynasty was, yeah, the Bulls would be the less, unless you happen to be a Pistons fan, a Nix fan, and that's pretty much it.

Maybe a jazz fan. If you're one of a couple of jazz fans out there, but besides that, like America fell in love with those Bulls teams. Yeah. No, the Bulls would be the, the other, the only other team I could think of because that became the de facto team that you would root for if you didn't have your favorite basketball team that you grew up watching. Like everybody was, I was, I was a Bulls fan. I was a Michael Jordan fan when I was a kid. Right. Everyone was drawn to Michael Jordan.

So that would be the one, but maybe, maybe the question is better, like in, since Michael Jordan in all sports, because I think also we've gone like weirdly we've gone anti-dynasty more than ever because even I, I know people, like I, people didn't like the Cowboys. Obviously they hated the Cowboys during it, but it wasn't the hate that some of the dynasties now have. Do you know what I mean? It's funny because like what we do is we see teams that are like trying to build and we do the thing where we talk about their championship window. Right. And we're like, how great can they be for a long time?

And we criticize them when they do things to minimize their championship window. And then when they maximize their window and they actually become a dynasty, we're like, these pieces of shit. I fucking hate these guys. Right. It is very, very stupid that we do that. But I just, I was just thinking about it because maybe the question is better 2000 post 2000 because you're right, Jordan. I mean, like Jordan is, you know, Jordan and like he's, you know, the, like a global phenomenon and like thinking back to like even I'm trying to think of like what, like the Cowboys, like I said,

like people didn't like it because they blew everyone out in the Super Bowl, but it wasn't the hate that the Cowboys have. Like they got it afterwards. It during it, it wasn't the same. I actually think that, you know, we were talking about how like Steph Curry's height is a detriment to him. Sometimes when it comes to winning MVP and individual awards, I actually think it makes this dynasty more likable. Yeah. The fact that he's a small guy that's been able to do this and Clay too. Yeah. They're, they're two like superstars on the team

are, are little guys compared to a lot of the other guys that we see like dominating the NBA. So it's kind of refreshing. It's short King spring again. Right. Like, like the Lakers of the early 2000s, like, I think everyone's like, well, Shaq's just not fair. It's not fair what Shaq is doing. He's just better than everyone. And those finals were always really like, there was no drama. They would just kill everyone. He actually said, I've heard an interview recently that Shaq said that the finals against the Nets was boring to him. It was like, yeah, it was boring to us too, dude. Well, watching, watching Shaq play all of us idiots on the couch are like, man,

if I was Shaq size, I would be better than Shaq. Yeah. That's what we all thought. But with Steph Curry, there's really no excuse. He's like a pretty normal sized guy. And we're like, that's just incredibly impressive what he's doing out there. And now I'm thinking about maybe it was a bad question because like, I don't really hate the Spurs. And maybe it's just like, if you have enough time after a dynasty, the hatred goes away. It's in the middle. So maybe that's really what is, are the, are the wars one of the most likable in the middle of it? Like dynasties were like, okay. And they also happen to play against the Cabs all the time. So really they only

pissed off one fan base. So we should end with that. Hank, that is the all time spin zone. Steph Curry now has four rings. Steph Curry has as many rings as LeBron James. Steph Curry has as many rings as the quote unquote goat of his era. And you could even say he has more because some of us don't count the bubble ring. So that's got to be good, right? I guess. But then does it elevate 2016? Because he's the only, he's the only team that beat a fully healthy Warriors. You were all fired up like two days ago to talk about how this NBA finals impacts LeBron's legacy. And now you got nothing. He's got tell me he's tapped outside. I need, I need, I need to,

I need like, well, give me, give me the off season. Like what, like, we can't, like, I'm Anthony Davis right now. I'm not shooting. I'm not shooting. I do strictly waits for a couple months. How crazy was that? And he said he hadn't touched a ball, a basketball in two months. It was holy. I mean, I, dude, I was, it's like, it was on, it was on a, a Nuke squad vlog. Like that was the funniest part. Can I have permission? I was like, he's like friends with those kids because like from, from, from Call of Duty and like they're like, you know, they do vlogs and stuff. And so he was just like hanging out with the boys. And then it's classic, like NBA media, like picks up, picks it up. And then two days later, he's in the gym. He's got LeBron fucking

posting like PR videos. Did you see that? No. LeBron posted like a highlight reel of Anthony Davis, like two days after all that should happen to be like, he's nasty. Yeah. Can I get permission to squad on a take real quick? Because I think if I, if I know my man skip, my main man, I think I know what he's going to say about Steph Curry because he's always guarding against anyone approaching Michael Jordan's legacy. Once he gets a whiff of somebody like entering that conversation, skip will start to line up all of his ducks so we can knock them all over and keep that guy. I think, I think there will be people out there that are like, yeah, they won this game, but they would have lost if it went to game seven because Steph Curry can't close out of game seven.

I like that. And special, like, I know that people are going to be like, oh, you slogged on the, on the worst. They want a title. We do this for every championship that's won. There is something like being able to close it out on the road and not needing that extra game that is, that does feel like holy shit. Like that's, you know, they like that. That's like a professional way to win. Do you know what I mean? It's a weird thing that, that I count it more, even though it shouldn't count more, but it's like, it's so easy to go into game six and be like, well, we have game seven at home. We're okay. And they went in there like, no, let's end this tonight. Yeah. I talked to Bubba a little bit earlier because we used to do a segment on the show called

parental advisory, where we just get takes from dads and moms, where they text you during games and they give you your sports takes. And Bubba's dad is a, he's a big Boston guy. I think Liam, you're saying that like, he used the word fucking like we use, um, or like. Yes. Yeah. So what's your dad's take? I did text him when you hit me up, I said, what's your thoughts on the game? And he said, we need more intensity. I was the only one stepping up. Other stars aren't ready for the moment. Exactly. Yep. Exactly. The moment's too big for Jason Tatum. He nailed it. He nailed it. Hank, you want to do, I want to give you the opportunity if you wanted to, for the listeners, for the AWLs, because they'd appreciate it to do soggy sorrows.

When you're in your hotel room, just go get wet. I know you like to get wet, Hank. Just go get wet. Just a little wet. Just get a little wet for the listeners. Oh, he's poor. That was, that was, it's all I had. I don't think you realized what that was. That was Chris Bosch. What you fucking wanted, right? You got it. Nobody called a shower. Nobody's got to shop anything. Go get in your shower, fully dressed, come back and sit down. Fuck an amen. This isn't a yak, big cat. No, we've been doing soggy sorrows for six years on this show. You guys never fucking do soggy sorrows. The biggest pussies when it comes to best. I've done soggy sorrows too. I did one. All right. Hank, I ate shit. I just did it.

I just bukkake myself with water. Just a little bit more. Just like, okay. Please. Let's, let's get to the rest of the show. I mean, let's, or anything else, Hank? No, I just, I hate myself for everything I said at the end. Oh yeah. Make sure you listen to the fire fest. Cause Hank, uh, yeah. Oh, we, we almost forgot the big night live event is canceled. Yeah. So we're doing the stream on Sunday. No canceled. Okay. We should have Hank stream. Stream Sunday night baseball. Uh, we, we almost forgot. Most important part of our NBA recap. Billy, who gets your game ball for tonight? Oh, he's been gone for hours. Yeah.

Yeah. Oh, okay. Yeah. Tune in for the fire fest. Uh, because yeah, Billy's, Billy's a shithead. So that'll be fun to listen to. Um, okay. Let's get to the rest of the show. Quick word from one of our sponsors. Simply safe. Simply safe offers whole home protection, protection for every window, room and door against intruders, fires, water damage, medical emergencies and more all monitored 24 seven by professionals ready to dispatch police. The experts at simply safe will help you customize the perfect system for your home. You'll customize your system with products like entry sensor, which alerts you when a door or window is open motion sensors that's designed for high traffic areas like a hallway or an

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camera plus 20% off with interactive monitoring go to simply safe.com slash PMT. Okay, Stanley cup final game one unbelievable game over time. I mean, this series is going to be incredible over time in the first game. Like lightning come out slow avalanche actually, you know, rest verse rust, we got it was decided for at least a period there that that rest beats raw or sorry, rust beats rest. No, yes, rest, rest beats rust. Yes. Yes. I have to say though, and I'm sorry to all of the abs fans that listen to this show. I think I'm just going to that was like the perfect setup for entering into a lightning future. That was that was the altitude though in that first period. I think yeah, that was the thin air effect. I don't know. I like it. I put I put my money on the avalanche.

I trust in business nasty. He's one of our greatest hockey minds here in America. So far be it for me to disagree with what he has to say in his prognostications, but it's it's it seemed like it was like a must win in game one as much as a West must win can be in game one. Like if the avalanche went down one zero in the Stanley Cup finals, that would have been bad news for him. So they had to win that one. Burkowski with the awesome awesome finish at the very end. Neutral zone turnovers. I don't know shit about hockey. I just like to say like new neutral zone turnovers that'll get you. You can't you can't you can't neutral zone turnovers sticks on the ice at all times. Eddie O has taught us. I also like I loved having Whitney on when we asked about

Cale McCarre because I like tried to actually focus on what he was talking about and it jumped out the fact that he was so fast and his hips opening up and their team speed is just out of this world. But I think we're in for a long series. Like I think we're in for a very long series. The lightning even the lightning had forcing that to overtime. Like it felt didn't it feel like when you're watching that first period it was like alright abs win game one game over lightning. They've done this before come out slow. You know they just finished a seven or a six game series against the Rangers and they came back and fought hard and I just I don't know. I now like the lightning and even juicier for price. I didn't bet them before the series because I was waiting for

the Warriors money to come in. Now I think I'm going to take the lightning at like plus two 20. I think they're at. I don't know. I just maybe it's the narratives that Whitney kind of opened us up to a little bit. But the idea that the lightning might be the worst back to back champions of all time. If you look at the bubble win put an asterisk on that and then you look at them playing like maybe one of the worst Stanley Cup champion or Stanley Cup finals teams in recent memory like last 30 years in the Canadian's and now they finally run into a wagon in the Stanley Cup finals. That's what I'm talking myself into a little bit. And I still think that the lightning are obviously really, really dangerous and they kind of got they got slapped

awake. They got punched in the face and that seemed to like wake them up. They played harder after they went down to nothing. Yeah. So it's going to be an awesome series. I'm very excited for Saturday night. It's also like I know this sounds stupid. It sounds like one of the things we mock where and I know the Stanley Cup final had been on NBC. But for some reason, like it being on ABC, it's like, whoa, hockey is back. I don't know why. I don't know. It's like you get the gold outline on it and there's like a little bit of prestige that goes along with it. You're like, Oh, it's on Disney now. Yeah. I don't know what it is. But like it does sound like the people who were like, Oh, NBA finals ratings down. I didn't like that series. Like I don't it shouldn't matter

that it's on ABC versus when it was on NBC. But for some reason, it just felt it felt like it was like hockey is has finally come back from, you know, even 20 years ago and went to the after the lockout when it went to the own oxygen network and all that bullshit. Yeah, that was the best. You know what I think it is? When you see the NBC cock, when you see the peacock on the screen, you think to yourself NBC Sports Network. I think Notre Dame football. Yeah. But when it's hockey, because you've seen so much of it on either like the Olympic channel or whatever, or NBC Sports Network, when you see it on ABC, you're like, OK, now hockey might be a top five sport. By the way, what I just said, like there's some some some executive in Stanford is listening to

this and just like came everywhere. The fact that I was like, I see NBC, I think Notre Dame football because like, you know, they all like they're all Ivy League execs. And they're like, when we see NBC, we want you to think like rowing Olympics, Notre Dame football. Well, they're Notre Dame graduates, but they consider Notre Dame and Ivy School. Yes. All right, US Open real quick. Obviously, round one doesn't, you know, not a lot to talk about round one, except for the fact that Max, I think it's I think he's now in three consecutive majors led within the first 15 minutes. Good round by him. Rory looked good. There's a Canadian who's leading the whole thing right now. I tell you about Rory, what I tell you about him, dude,

he's playing some of the best golf of his career. He beat up the bunker. Yeah, that course showed its teeth a little bit. It wasn't like a huge showing, but that's what the course does. They're chum in the water. They're getting the sharks a little too frisky. They're going to spear the fuck out of them later. But there are some moments where you see like what this course is capable of. Some of the rough that they put around the bunkers is just obscene. Yeah, it's crazy. It's just like an overgrown backyard and they dug a hole, put a bunker in it. You'd rather be in the bunker in a lot of these places than you would be in the rough. Yeah. And it is. I mean, it does look like a difficult course. And I'm excited to watch some like the fact that there's just major

golf on Father's Day is such a treat. I'm just going to like, because that really is just such a cheat code. It's like, what do you want for Father's Day? I want to be able to sit on the couch and just do nothing and watch golf. And like, I'm putting that I'm cashing that card in. I found a great new bet that I'm doing on the 11th hole every single round. I'm betting on my favorite golfers to make holes in one. Love it. So like everybody that I that I bet on to win the tournament, I have I'm betting on them every morning. It's like plus 18,000 to get holes in one. And the 11th hole is so awesome because it's like, I think it plays about 100 yards, it's longer than that. But with the wind and it's downhill to it plays about 100 yards. So people

are like, they're dotting it. They're landing the ball like within 10 feet of the cup on most good shots. And so for you have like something to look forward to once every 30, 40 minutes, and it's exhilarating. But then you obviously lose all your bets. But still, I don't I don't bet to win money. I bet for the rush that I get when the ball's in the air. And I think that I could win money. Also, it's a great bet because it's the classic all you need is one. Yeah, just one is one max max put it within four feet today. I was pissed off at him. I was like, what the fuck, Max? Yeah, all you need is one. We have a great interview coming up, by the way, with Bob Herrick live from the US Open talking about live golf, talking about

Tiger, Phil Tiger vs. Phil, his new book talking about who's going to win awesome interview. Very, very good. So so I hit up Max just to say congratulations after the round. Be like, congrats. I'm not sucking today. Max positive vibes only. And he said that there was an AWL there. And he walked past them. And the guy just yelled out pervert. And Max just started to laugh and everybody stared at the guy and was like, what the fuck, man? But the guy was super happy with himself. So if you're that AWL, thank you, Max. Appreciate it. But don't call Max a pervert. Oh, also, did that? Did that bet hit that the the guy yelled at Phil? Yes, it did. What a moment. Did you I don't know if you saw that where they did two things on the broadcast

where they put goalposts on a drive, which just made everyone be like football. That's awesome. Perfect. And then someone screamed to Phil, Phil Al Horford overnight and a half rebounds, you know, Phil bet it. Al Horford ended up with overnight and a half rebounds. So great, great job by that fan to just scream that out because it's like, oh, okay, well, you got to bet that now. They do need to start incorporating football into other sports on TV. We'd like to lay over graphics. You know, how they put the fake NBA finals logo on the court at at the, I guess it was on on both courts. It wasn't just in Boston. It was also in San Francisco. They need to put like yard markers on the court like show me play a football game,

like actually like show a football game on the court. If it's like a blowout, show me. Yeah. At the very least, just put like the grid on marks on there in five yard segments. All right. Last thing before we get to our interviews reminder, Frank Schwindel and Patrick Wisdom did come in a week ago. So when we asked Frank Schwindel about pitching in games and he was like, yeah, it's fun, but I really don't want to do that anymore in the six days since we interviewed him. He's had to do it twice because it comes to that. I think you also gave up like three home runs. His ERA sucks. The swing that the Yankees play. I can't remember who it was had off of him over the weekend was like, I know this sounds ridiculous to say and hear me out. It was the most disrespectful

swing I've ever seen. And I don't think I'm not one of those guys like you shouldn't swing for the fences when a pitcher, when a position player is pitching, but it was such a looping EFIS and the guy swung, swung, swung, swung. It's like one in the morning. It was like a straight up whiffle ball at your eyes, uppercut. And it was like, this is just an absurd swing to have in a major league baseball game. And obviously he hit it a million feet. And I was like, all right, great. So I'd really like to dive into the spin rate on, on his pitches, because his EFIS goes like 34 miles per hour. I bet I wonder if you're allowed to, you know how like people are allowing to start JJ Watt as a tight end and fancy football. I wonder if you can start Schwindell as a pitcher and face

baseball. I might pick him up. 38 is the magic number. Well, he was a little bit below that. He didn't have his best stuff. Yeah. Also credit to him because he did say it kind of sucks because it means you're down a lot and the Cubs have been down a lot like every fucking day. Also asked a question about a 12 game losing streak. And I think that they're two away now. So that will also not, you know, like one of those interviews, we did it on Thursday. We're running it on Friday. You know, things have gotten a lot worse since that interview. But the last thing we have to talk about before we get to Bob Herrig and Frank Schwindell and Patrick Wisdom, the Mike Trout Fantasy League, the famous fantasy league, Jock Peterson and Tommy Fam.

Everyone knows that story by now. It was one of the funniest stories. I think probably in the last year in an insane twist that I just still can't really comprehend is real. Our colleague, Steven Shea, who's been on this show, he's our junior draft analyst at Barstool Sports. Dave has entered into the league as Tommy Fam's replacement. And Mike Trout was like, I don't want to be the commissioner anymore. Can you find someone for me, Dave? And Dave has found Steven Shea and Steven Shea is now the commissioner of the Mike Trout Fantasy Football League that ended up in Tommy Fam slapping Jock Peterson. What a fucking world. I really think it's perfect because I guarantee you that Steven Shea mainly knew Mike Trout as

the guy that shows up to Eagles games. He'd be one of those guys that wouldn't recognize Mike Trout in a mall. PFT. He knows so little about baseball. Shane Bieber is in this league who won a Cy Young. And he texted me on the side because Shane Bieber was like, Dave, Dave Bezos was like, everyone say who you are. So Steven can save your numbers. And Shane Bieber was like, Bieber. And Steven Shea texted me. He's like, is this really Justin Bieber? Okay. No, I'm on. I'm on Steven Shea's side on that one. If you identify yourself in like a celebrity league as Bieber, but the ball is on the ball. I still still the ball is on Shane Bieber to be like, I'm the Biebs. That's me. No, he didn't say he didn't say you got to say like S Bieber. You can't

say Bieber. Also, Steven Shea used a Vince McMahon gift. Maybe like 30 minutes after the story came out about Vince McMahon to announce that he was going to be the commissioner and everyone was like, dude, what are you doing with this timing? And someone replied like, Hey, do you have an extra $3 million to spare? Referencing the payment that Vince McMahon had to his secretary for an NDA. And Steven Shea then asked me if the buy-in for this fantasy football league was $3 million. So this is the commission of Mike Trout's fantasy football. Shea is also the man that was asking like, is there an Adam Schefter for politics? Yeah. And everybody was like, yeah, it's called the news, Steven. You can turn on the news.

And he does have a Twitter account dedicated just to giving him news. It's not football. So that guy failed him in this case. I'll say this. I'll say this though about say something nice about Steven Shea. I think he will be painstakingly detail oriented in being the commissioner of this league. He's going to do a great job running the league, but everybody's going to hate him. And that's kind of the role, right? He's the punching bag. Elon Musk in his wildest dreams could not create a robot like Steven Shea. That's how good of our robot is at Barstool Sports. He is the greatest dork robot of all time. There's never been anyone like him.

We should give him a new name that's just a bunch of algebraic symbols. He really is. So, I mean, we'll have him on when that league starts, because that will be just hilarious to hear what his take is. He's again, he is on a text chain with the greatest baseball player alive right now. And he like doesn't even like it does not impress him whatsoever. If he was on a text chain with Ali Marpet, he would be coming himself. And instead he's on a text chain with Mike Trout. And he's like, who's that guy? Yeah, you know, it's perfect. That's what they need in this league though. They need a completely oblivious dufus and you couldn't draw it up better than Steven Shea.

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listeners. The giveaway ends tomorrow. So sign up right now. Now, here's Bob Herig. Okay, we now have a very special guest on. Talk a little golf, US Open live tour in his new book. It is Sports Illustrated writer Bob Herig and he has a book out that will be perfect for Father's Day. We're going to run this on Friday. So I think you probably still get it by Father's Day, but you can also give, you know, your dad a receipt and say, Hey, I got you this book. It's called Tiger and Phil golf's most fascinating rivalry. So we're going to get into that, but let's start Bob. Thank you for coming on and you're at the US Open right now. We've been talking about it for the last week and a half. Are people sick of talking about the live tour at the US Open

at this point on Wednesday of US Open week? Well, I think certainly some people are, you know, and I understand why. I mean, this has dominated the golf conversation for weeks. It's been a distraction, frankly. It's been very disruptive, but yet I think we kind of saw that coming. And, you know, you've got 11 guys who played last week in London who are competing in the US Open who made it here through other means, obviously. And obviously the affiliation with that new series of tournaments is highly controversial on obviously a number of levels. You know, the funding, are they turning their backs on the PGA Tour? Are we is golf going through an upheaval? And here we are at one of the three biggest, excuse me, one of the four biggest events,

the majors. And this is sort of dominating the conversation. We're not really talking that much about the golf, you know, obviously, until it gets started. So yeah, it's, it's been quite, quite an experience, quite a time in golf, frankly. So obviously the, a lot of the controversy has been stirred up because of the affiliation with Saudi Arabia and the ruling family there. But it also seems like the PGA is just, they're very much sour grapes. It could be anybody that could be luring these guys away and the PGA would have a negative reaction towards it. So like, for example, if like Mark Cuban made his own tour, like a billionaire, like Elon Musk started their own golf tour in the United States, we're able to pay these guys more. I would still expect

that the PGA would have a significant backlash to that. And they would, they would accuse these guys of turning their backs. So I guess my question is, if you take a very big part out of it, which is where the money's coming from, let's say that's not an objection right now. Is there any expectation that these guys should have loyalty to the PGA Tour? Yeah, listen, you raise a great point. I mean, the funding source is a convenient excuse in some circles to knock this. But even if that weren't the funding source, this would be very, very controversial because the PGA Tour is the established tour, you know, obviously in North America for, well, 100 years, I mean, it changed names over the years. It became what it is today in the late 60s. And this is the concept and the

format they've used. They've had basically the same rules as far as playing outside. They've tried to protect their product. And so for guys who have come up on the PGA Tour and wanted to win the Arnold Palmer Tournament or the Bob Hope Tournament or, you know, Memorial or name any of them, the ones that have been around, you know, Colonial or Riviera at LA, there's history here. And so are they turning their backs on that? The same angst would be there, even if the funding were from Mark Cuban, because it would be a rival. There would be separation. Clearly, the ability to do both is very, very limited. It's hard to do that. Greg Norman, the Commissioner of the Live series has said he believes it should be additive, that you can play both. But if you

look at it, it's not that easy. I mean, these guys only play so many. The Tour does have rules about competing outside of its own events. It would be very hard for their players to adhere to those rules under the current situation. So absolutely, yes, it would be still a huge issue. See, to me, I think that part of the equation is kind of bullshit. I don't think that there should be that level of expectation of loyalty on the player's end, because it's not reciprocated. Like the PGA Tour doesn't owe these guys anything either on that end. I feel like that's the part that I think is rubbing some people the wrong way, where you can make the legitimate gripes about, okay, this is sports washing. This is just a giant commercial to try to minimize some of the

things that the Saudi regime has been accused of doing. That's legitimate, but I think that they're taking it. You can see the sour grapes coming from the PGA. I think that's rubbing people the wrong way. I completely understand that. I get that too. I mean, listen, what Phil said, Mickelson, back in several months ago, obviously, the message got lost and just sort of how over the top he was, but the PGA Tour isn't perfect, and the players have for a while had some gripes. This whole idea of the rival league didn't just occur overnight. It seems like they threw it together overnight, given all the roadblocks they had, but there have been talks about this going back five, six, eight years. There has been a group out there called the Premier Golf League,

who is still in play. They want to partner with the PGA Tour. They want their events to become part of the PGA Tour, but basically what happened was is the players and the agents were sold on the idea that the top PGA Tour players are not being paid for their worth. Look, I know he's an outlier, but Tiger Woods is a great example of this. Look at all that Tiger has brought to the PGA Tour and to golf, sells tickets, TV rights, hospitality, some tournaments that might not sell out. He sells them out, but when he starts on Thursday morning, he's guaranteed zero, just like the 100th ranked player in the world who isn't selling a ticket. The players have sort of gotten to this mindset, like we are subsidizing the rank and file guys.

Why are we not being rewarded for our worth? It wouldn't have taken the Saudi millions to make this happen. It would have taken some sort of a plan that might have funneled some guaranteed money to the top players, not based on performance, but just based on common sense. It never happened. I'm not saying that they're right either, that obviously they're compensated very well if they play well, but that's the point. They're only compensated well if they play well. You have to be in the top 30 in the FedEx. You've got to do this, you've got to do that. This is how we got to this point. They never bridged that gap. Now the Saudi group starts throwing tons of money at them. In some places, you say, it's kind of hard to blame them. What if it were you or I?

We were offered life-changing money. Maybe it's not life-changing to them, but it might be to us. That's why I find myself very conflicted over this whole thing. It's not as cut and dried as some people want to make it. That was a very reasonable take, Bob. I like that because there has been a lot of people that have made it cut and dry. There are pieces to this that are cut and dry when you want to talk about Saudi Arabia and some of the things in their past, but there are a lot of pieces that are very gray and it's hard to decipher. In terms of bringing it towards your book, and I want to get to US Open questions in a little bit, but to your book, Tiger vs. Phil, what do you think, do you think Tiger and Phil have had a conversation about this at all? Do you

think Tiger has, because I know he was offered a lot of money. It feels like Tiger is very, at this point of his career, why would he not be totally committed to the PGA Tour, but do you think Tiger and Phil have talked about this at all and how do you think their relationship is right now, given everything that's happened in the last few months? Yeah, it's interesting. Their relationship has probably splintered a little bit more now again over this. I asked Phil that question last week. I actually got him on the phone before he went to London. It was the first chance anybody had to talk to him and I asked him, have you spoken to Tiger about any of this or any of your peers? He didn't answer it directly,

which suggested to me he has not. We asked Tiger about it at the PGA last month. He said he had not spoken to Phil, but he came out very clearly. Now, listen, he didn't rip Phil, because I think deep down Tiger shares some of the same concerns that Phil has. Tiger over the years has wondered about his media rights. Look, in all sports, no player gets to have their media rights, but if anybody was going to benefit from something like that, it would have been Tiger. I'm sure he feels some of the same things. Tiger was asked about Saudi Arabia in 2019, when a bunch of guys are signed up to go play over there. Tiger's answer on paraphrasing was, look, I understand the political ramifications of this, but years ago, I started going to

Dubai and golf isn't big in the Middle East. When I first went there, there were three skyscrapers in Dubai. Now it looks like New York City and golf has grown. Maybe if they do this, maybe golf will grow in Saudi Arabia. So he wasn't exactly dumping on the idea that the murderous regime shouldn't have any ability to form a golf tour. But in this case now, he brought up legacy, and it's a great point, but especially if you're Tiger, these guys compare themselves to the past. We're going to keep track of live events, and how many wins you have, and how much money. I bring up the example all the time. Back in the day, the USFL, there was a lot of great players that they picked off and didn't go to the NFL.

Herschel Walker, Jim Kelly, Steve Young, I don't think I'm pretty sure that Herschel records, rushing records, didn't transfer over to the NFL when he came over. It's almost like it was dismissed, it's like an exhibition. How will these live events go? They might be compelling at some point, but where will they rate? So that's Tiger stance. And so, yes, to answer your question long-winded, I'm sorry, Tiger and Phil are not on the same page on this one. And it might have driven another little bit of a wedge through them, which is kind of interesting to me, given that I spent all this time piecing together the kind of the intersection of their careers and how they were really against each other. And then they kind of had a little bit of a coming together, and now they might be

apart again. Yeah, I mean, you get to write another chapter, which is nice. I need to, they need to, if there's a paperback, I could add probably, you know, God, three or four more chapters. I mean, look, even Tiger's comeback this year was unexpected. You know, that was, what kind of odds could you have gotten on January 1st that Tiger Woods would play the Masters and the PGA and Phil Mickelson would not? Yeah, crazy. So, you know, it's just, it's been wild. And obviously, they're still incredibly relevant. And back in the day, I remember people used to talk, you know, in the mid 2000s about the Tiger Tour, the possibility of a tour that would be just based around Tiger Woods, because he was at one point bigger than the Game

of Golf. He was the biggest draw. So he could have splintered off himself easily. So I feel like, to some extent, he does have a loyalty to the PGA Tour, because he had the opportunity and turned it down. You know, in honesty, this is why the Tour has its rules about having to get releases to play in opposite events. If you recall when Tiger and Phil had their match in Vegas in 2018, the PGA Tour had to sign off on that because they own the media rights. If a player is going to be televised playing golf, they have to get permission to do it. And the Tour even got a cut of that. That's how their system is set up. I think they were having to be paid a million dollars. So like, and the reason they do that is, is what would keep Tiger and Phil from doing that 10

times a year? You know, we would probably all tune into that 10 times a year, certainly back in the day. And yet that would harm the PGA Tour's product, which is why they have rules. So your book, which it sounds fascinating because there's two guys that are probably the most interesting guys in golf in the last 30 years. Tiger versus Phil, what is the story that best sums up each guy and who they are? And, and, you know, the story that maybe, you know, that they interacted together. It's like, that's Tiger, that's Phil, you know, without giving the whole book away. Sure. Well, I'll give you three quick examples. After an introduction, the first chapter of the book is about the 2004 Ryder Cup. And any, any golf geeks going to remember that

that was the Ryder Cup where they were paired together as partners for the only time in their Ryder Cup history. They played the first day together, two matches, lost them both, the U.S. got smoked, tons of criticism. And the gist of it was, is they just were not at a point at that time where they were going to be very collaborative as partners, even though they're playing for the same U.S. side. And there's story after story about how the body language suggested that they didn't want to be together. And even though they said the right things before, it didn't work out. And Hal Sutton lost a lot of, you know, he, he lost a lot of sleep over that. He got criticized, he was the captain. It actually impacted his career. It's pretty amazing to think that something

like that could have such a huge impact. And then I'll give you two, two quick stories about each guy. Phil, way back in the day, 1998 played a rare practice round with Tiger before the LA Open. In fact, they didn't play a practice round together for 20 years after this. Phil, as a sort of fitting given the current climate, had a match with Tiger. They had a bet. And Phil won. He won $500. So Tiger pays them off in five $100 bills. Now, Phil, not being content with the bragging rights and the money, decided to take a picture of those $500 bills. And he wrote a note on it, dear Tiger, these Benji's are very happy in their new home. Thanks, Phil, and he put in his locker. Now, I don't think that went over real well with Tiger. Phil over the years

has loved telling that story. And he always tells it with sort of an affection though for Tiger, in which he says, look, he's got the bragging rights on me, but I got that on him. Right. All right. So, you know, is that really egregious? No, but it does kind of say something. I mean, Tiger, there's no way Tiger liked that. And Tiger was never big about playing betting games on practice rounds. He always kind of did his own thing. Phil was huge with that. I'd like to have a whole chapter on that. Some of those gambling stories are really fun. And then the Tiger side of it, in 2002, at that point, Tiger had won two majors that year to run his total to eight. At the PJ Championship, he's in contention again. He's playing in the group in front of

Rich Beame and Fred Funk. Tiger's playing with Justin Leonard. Beame has a fairly big lead going into the back nine. In fact, he led by six at one point. But coming down the stretch, Tiger birdied the last four holes and to make it interesting. And Beame had a sweat it out. Beame has not won since. You know, that was a huge moment in his career. And he needed to make a bogey on the last hole to win. And he kind of shook in a short putt to get the bogey and win by only one. And Tiger and Fred Funk were in the scoring area afterward watching this on TV. They had signed their scorecards and were waiting for them to finish. And when he hold the putt, Tiger stood up and said, he gave a fist pump and he goes, yes. And Fred Funk looked at him like, you know, like he had

three heads. And he said, Tiger, what are you doing? And he just, he won. He beat, there's no playoff. He won. He just made that putt. That's a five, not a six. He goes, Tiger, Tiger said, I know, I don't care. He goes, that's, that's rich being one. Phil Mickelson, zero. And he walked, and he walked out of the room. I mean, so Tiger sort of relished back in that day, keeping Phil down. That tells you he knew how good Phil was. And you know, that was that, listen, that played into that Ryder Cup in 04, frankly, that year, Phil finally won a major. He won the Masters and contended in all four majors. Tiger contended in none of the majors that year. And, you know, he was a little bit in a point where he was searching for his game. And, and so he, he was looking at Phil now

as more of a threat. And he wasn't going to sit there and help him read putts or help him with his chipping or putting or driving, you know, and that's just sort of the dynamic of those guys back at that time. They were that competitive. That's awesome. What a great story. It speaks to kind of the attitude around the tour towards Phil. And Phil has always been a love and hate him, sometimes at the same time kind of guy. I don't know how, how many of our listeners are familiar with this nickname fig jam that the other players used to call him. If you do know the origin of that nickname and like who came up with it, or if you want to explain that to them, you know, I certainly know what it stands for. And, and it just, I think it got, it came up like through

the gallery one time and somebody overheard it and it's, and it kind of stuck. But, you know, the first three letters, what they stand for, and then it's just, just ask me. And yeah, Phil had a reputation of, of, you know, the smartest guy in the room. And that rubbed some people the wrong way, you know, and this is not just golf. This was everything, like any kind of topic. Phil was the expert, you know, and sometimes it was eye rolling type stuff. And, you know, I don't know, I might be one of the two, one of the few guys that had found a way to appreciate them both. Like I was never for one against the other type of thing. I always just liked them both in terms of what they've done. But you could see why people took sides, you know,

and, and Phil, Phil was the guy who signed autographs, wave thumbs up, looked in the eye, he was personable, the people's favorite. I think that bug Tiger, that was sort of like Jack and Arnie back in the day. You know, Jack was the better player, but people loved Arnold. Tiger better player, people loved Phil. But then there was a bunch of people who thought, oh, that's a bunch of BS coming from Phil, you know, you know, why doesn't he win more, you know, this out of the other, and they appreciated the champion Tiger. So that's all part of the dynamic of this rivalry. And, and, and obviously the numbers don't suggest a rivalry. But as I tried to point out, and as I made very clear to Phil a couple of times when he was leery about another book about him,

I said, I'm making you look good, man. Your record, it might not compare to his, but who else's does? It's better than anybody else's. And you took him on pretty well. And you stood above everybody else for 20 some years. And of course, winning the PGA at age 50, it's amazing. We're not talking about that still, because of all this other stuff. He won the PGA championship. He outdid Tiger in that regard. Yeah, you know, so it's, um, anyway, I, I found it fun to dig into it and, and, and lost a few brain cells trying to put it all together. Yeah, you, you are right, though. He is in the conversation just by, you know, being in the book and being the guy that people remember as the second guy in Tiger's era of dominance. Now the U S open now, you're there

live. Um, we are huge course guys. We just love the course. We root for the course. I've seen some videos where like the fairways look daunting. The greens are insane. What, like, where would you say this ranks up there with other U S open courses? Because this is our favorite tournament of the year because they, you know, they make it so that it's as difficult as possible. Do you think it's going to be that hard and scores being closer to zero than like, you know, minus six, seven, eight? I don't think it'll be like winged foot or Oakmont tough where typically right around par wins or sometimes over par wins at those venues. Um, you know, last year Tory Pines was, was much harder than people thought it was going to be. You know, they have a way of toughening things up.

Obviously winged foot two years ago where Bryson won. He was the only guy under par. He won by six shots. He was six under, but everybody else was par or worse. Yeah, but no, no fans at that one. There's no fans. So asterisks. Yeah. I think this one will be a little tamer, but not much. I think it's going to be very hard. It's, you know, it's 7,200 yards par 70. That's not short, although it's not a bomber's course. I think there's some places where it cuts off and you can't just kill it with a driver. We have to, we already talked the other day about having to be strategic. There's going to be some places you're going to have to lay back. It's just, it really is a cool old school design. The real, the reason they don't come here more often is

because it's a small footprint. It's in a neighborhood. There's a lot of hassles trying to stage such a big tournament. They figured out a way to do it, which is great because this course has tons of history. You know, only three us opens all playoffs, you know, probably the, the, the wind that put us golf on the map back in 1913 was Francis. We met, he, he, he sort of sparked interest in golf in the U S and yeah, I'm, I'm excited about it because I think the course is really cool and has a lot that we're going to, that we're going to appreciate. So who would you say is, if you were a betting man, if you were Phil Mickelson, who would you put your money on going into this weekend? And I'm going to give you a couple options.

Brooks Kepke, Will Zalatoris, Max Homa, all three of them have a strong chance. Well, the reason I'm not keen on Brooks and look, you say this and you, you cringe, right? Because he's so good in majors and he gets up for these things and he has found, he has, he has played while in majors when it didn't seem like he could, but he's not been really solid lately. You know, he just got married. He hasn't played, I don't think he's played since the PGA championship, where he didn't play all that great. You know, and before that he, he wasn't good. You know, he's not really been solid lately. He's been dealing with injuries again. And so I'm not so sure about him. I like Zalatoris because he's going to always be better on a

hard golf course because he's not a great putter. And this is, if you can, if you can too put it to death at a U S open, you're going to be up there because it's not going to be that much under par. And you know, he hits it long and he's got a good iron game. If he can make a couple birdies on par fives and stay away from the bad stuff, sure, why not? Max Homer, he's, look, he's, he's been trending in the right direction now for a while. He's sort of starting, he's on the cusp of establishing himself as, you know, one of the top 15 players, 10 players in the world. He's been knocking on that door with some really good golf. And now he needs to kind of take that step in a major and contend in a major. Yeah. That was such a funny spin zone that you had for Will Zalatoris.

But it makes sense. It's like he's got, he has a lot of practice two putting and two putting is what you need at the sternum. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you know, that's what's keeping them from winning some of these other events because they're, they're birdie, they're birdie contests. You got to make, you know, six, eight birdies a day. And unfortunately he's not making enough putts, you know, but here, you know, you got to make the short ones on when you're trying to get it up and down. But, you know, if you hit it to 30 feet all day and two putt and maybe get one or two to drop, you're going to always be in good shape in a US open typically because guys are going to miss greens and hitting a lot of greens is not that easy. And it's not a birdie fest. Yeah. I'm going to

bet on Will now because of that. All right. So Bob, this has been great. I have one last question for you. It's the roback question, RHOBACK.com use promo code take your 20% off your first purchase Q zips, hoodies, polos, some great golf gear. So who would be your pick right now for this US open? By the way, everyone go buy Bob's book, Tiger and Phil. You basically made a Father's Day book. I know that. Like, I can't imagine a book will ever sell better than Tiger and Phil right around Father's Day. So kudos to you on that. But who would be your pick? Maybe you have two guys that you're looking at. They're like, they're playing the best golf. This course, you know, suits them well. Who, who, who would that be? Well, I'm sorry to be kind of obvious, but Justin Thomas to me

seems a good pick right now. I mean, I think it's actually good. He didn't win last week. Gives you just that little extra bit of motivation and you don't get complacent because you're coming off a win. And look, he did the same thing last month. He played really well with the Byron Nelson in Dallas the week before the PGA. He was a little bit annoyed that he didn't get that done. He had gone to Southern Hills during the Byron Nelson week to get a scouting trip in, comes in. Obviously he had a big comeback on Sunday, but he did the job. You know, he played great the first two days, bad Saturday, really good Sunday wins at a playoff. Then here, same thing. He played the country club last week before going to the Canadian Open, got a practice round in here,

played great at the Canadian Open. Didn't win. He was almost shot for shot with Rory on Sunday. Just kind of had a mess up there on 17, which cost him, but still finished third. Tony Fiena was in the mix. And I got to believe he's feeling really good about his game and he wants, wants to capitalize. Okay, I love it. I like it. Yeah. So what's, what's the scouting report on the fans that are going to be there? Because anytime we have a US Open or a major tournament in Long Island, you always get the, oh, this is going to be a crazy drunk atmosphere. What's the scene like up there? I've been feeling it'll be similar. Nice. These guys are, these guys are into it. Now there's been some concern about heckling of the live guys, especially Phil, Boston fans known to be tough.

You know, they're tough, obviously on the, on the Celtics or excuse me, on the, on the Warriors and the basketball. But that's because that's their team, you know, that they're rooting against, right? Whereas in golf, it's not quite the same. Now they were off the charts bad here during the Ryder Cup that was played here at 99. They were real, you know, there's a lot of stories written about the abusive behavior they gave the European guys. Like in other words, they deserved it. They crossed, they did, they did, but it's across the line. I think, you know, there's a line, right? They're, that's what the Ryder Cup is. Do I expect that here? No, but I expect them to be very rowdy, very boisterous. I think they'll really get into it'll be a fun atmosphere.

Awesome. I have one last, last question because you mentioned some of the, the gambling that takes place during practice rounds. You don't have to name names or if you want to name names, that's fine too. Have you heard of a player in a major tournament or I guess in a, in an actual tournament that's betting against their playing partner, you know, during the third, fourth round? I've never heard anything like that. And that would be highly illegal, frankly, you know, like for, they're not supposed to bet on the competition. It's more about their own practice round gambling. I do have a story though that, that's in there too. That's about Phil. That's kind of funny. It goes way back in a British open. Him and a guy named John Houston. John Houston's

probably 60 now playing champions tour golf. But John Houston won seven or eight times on tour, was known as a birdie machine. And him and Phil teamed up a lot. They were practice round bandits on Tuesdays. They, they took a lot of cash off the guys. Well, one year there at the British open, they, for whatever reason, they were on the opposite sides and Houston played great and really blitzed Phil. Like he, he just, you know, he played phenomenally in a practice round leading up to the British open. And Phil thought to himself, you know, there's no way he can keep that going. No chance. So he went into a legal booking shop in Scotland and placed money on Houston to miss the cut, which he did. And then Phil, Phil relished telling Houston that I bet

on you to miss the cut. And to this day, because I interviewed John Houston for the book, he said, man, that hurt. Yeah. You know, it was bad enough that he, that he, that he bet against me, but then he like rubs it in. And he said, to this day, he'll rub it in. You know, so that's kind of like, that's an example of betting against somebody, right? But it wasn't, to my knowledge, in the tournament, you know, itself, like he went and did that away from the event. That's a great story. And there's many, many more in Bob's book, Tiger and Phil. Buy it now. It's out. It's the Perfect Father's Day gift. Bob, we really appreciate your time and have fun this weekend at the U.S. Open. Thanks a lot, guys. I appreciate you having me. We're going to get right back to the show. All

right, back to part of my take. And now for something completely different. All right, we now welcome on very special guest. It is Patrick Wisdom, Frank Schwindel. It is Wisdom from the Chicago Cubs in town, in studio. Very excited for you boys to be here. I'm upset that we didn't get Wisdom shirts. I guess we should start there. You guys are the greatest duo the Cubs have ever had, I would say. Sure. Like sometimes they'll be like, oh, the sequel isn't as good as the original. Well, Brissos out, Wisdom's in. It's like Top Gun Maverick. You guys surpassed. Yeah. It was already an impressive feat. Do you guys, I mean, is it weird when people like walk around being like, Wisdom, let's go. I mean, you guys did do the back to back in two consecutive

days this year. So you guys are lockstep, right? Oh, yeah, for sure. It's a lot of fun. Yeah, every time, like if he hits before me, which usually does, he'll hit a homer, comes around home and I'm on deck and he's like, all right, your turn. Let's go for it. Yeah. Who came up with Wisdom and why not Fratric? Oh, I don't know about that one. Fratric Swisdom would be good. Fratric Swisdom. Was it Joe Avius that came up with it? Or, I don't know, but maybe. But I don't know if I can claim half that yet. I still get the We Want Rizzo chance over there. Does that actually affect you? Because I would imagine that Rizzo obviously, everyone loved Rizzo, right? So you understand that you're kind of stepping into an unfillable void. You'll

never be like, you have to be yourself. You can't try to replicate what he did. Did that affect you when you first got in there? No, not at all. I mean, I knew, like I said, if I was half as good as him, I think it'd be a win, win some fans over here and there. But no, he's some tough shoes to fill, but just having fun with it. What are you going to say to them when you're, because you guys are here to play the Yankees, so you're going to get the first base? And what's the first line you're going to say? Maybe something like, were they really that cheap with you? Maybe say that for me. Big Cat wanted me to know, were they really that cheap with you? That would lighten the mood. Yeah, absolutely. No, but yeah, I'm not too mad about him leaving. You pursued this

opportunity and let me get a chance. Yeah. So you guys, I mean, you guys are similar in that, like you're both, uh, is it, is it fair to say grinders because you were in the minor leagues for a long time and you know, you know, came up and had your, your start in Major League Baseball, your breakout a little bit later in your career. Has there, I know we had you on last year, Patrick, but like going from last year to this year where you like, Oh my God, this is kind of comfortable. Like I actually get to do this again. Like I'm not going to have to move cities. I'm not going to have to like go everywhere. Like I'm playing for the Cubs again. Yeah. There's an aspect of that. But like when I went to spring training, I still didn't know like, Hey, I was going to be the third

baseman. And then the staff was like, what are you like? Yeah, you're the guy. You're the guy. So I was like, really? And they're like, you didn't know that? Like, well, I've just never been in a position to like think that way or like know that. So I went into knowing like, Hey, I got to fight for this spot again. So yeah, there is, yeah, some aspect of comfortability and like knowing your way around now for sure. Yeah. And Frank, you were your middle seat Frank. Oh, yeah. So we got to talk about that story. So as it goes, I wouldn't think everyone knows this story, like it's keeping up on the Cubs, but Frank got sent down to AAA. The Cubs were out on the West Coast. This was a what a month ago and a couple injuries, whatever needed someone needs you come

back up and you had to get there any way you could. And you were sitting middle seat and a reporter, I think was like, I'm on the same flight as Frank Schwendeli sitting middle seat. What, what airline was it? American, I think it was like 23B or something. I was back there. Yeah. So you were, and you were just, were there other people noticing you or? So a couple of people in the airport were, you know, wanted selfies or saying what's up or yeah, get back soon and stuff like that. I was like, yeah, I don't say anything. I'm starting the night though. Like that's cool. They obviously didn't believe it. But then I got to the gate where it was going to San Diego. There's a couple of people looking and then my buddy sent me that

tweet when I was sitting down. I'm like, oh, here we go. So you can explain that away though. You can say that, that to me just screams that you were, you forgot to check in for the flight. So you were like one of the last people to check in or did you buy that intentionally? No, that's what they got me with. Oh, because it was the only, it was the only flight that would make it in time for the game. And I think there was three seats left and that was the closest middle seat to the front. Right. So are you thinking to yourself like you're like, I guess it's a, I saw your quotes after like there's no bad days in the big leagues, which is awesome. Right. But are you thinking to yourself like I'm not even first club? Like if, if it were, let's just say Anthony Rizzo and

that happened to him, he, I would say he probably gets a private plane from the rickets. I would, I guess I would imagine. But so we got, that's what we're working for. Hey, that's fine. I said, I would have rode in the toilet to get there, but it's just a crazy, crazy couple of hours there. Yeah. That sucks though to get spotted middle seat and then get like narked on. It's like, there's nothing you can do. So yeah, this is, it's middle seat. Oh yeah. Just gotta wear it. You know, knees pressed up against the back seat and yeah, just, just wear it. It's actually a good perspective because I think just about a hundred percent of the population would actually ride in a toilet if it meant that like you get to start in a major league baseball game. Oh,

absolutely. Yeah. That's, that's, that's good to like have that perspective in mind to be like, okay. Yeah. Oh, you know, it's kind of embarrassing to get called out on this, but at the end of the day, I'm playing the show. Right. Right. Absolutely. Going back to the show. Now also that game, uh, or maybe the game after, I want, I want your guys take on the balls this year. Yeah. So I, I, I would guess from hitters perspective, it's brutal because you had that, you had the bases loaded warning track power, which was there's been moments where I've watched baseball this year and been like, that should be a home run. What the hell do they do the balls? Do you guys notice it like day to day? I think there's definitely, uh, a difference you can,

you know, just feel them, but then, uh, you know, some days the 98 exit below goes out and then some days the 103 stays in. So it's a, I mean, part of the elements as well, but you know, some, just something to think about it's, it's crazy. Are they switching them up, Patrick? Cause I feel like too, like there's maybe like last weekend or the weekend before I was like, Oh, I think they switched the balls this weekend. Like everything's going out. I, I think they've like secretly been like switching in some good balls cause certain games, like on certain, uh, times, I don't want to say anything specific, but prime time. Yeah. You'll see a lot of hard hit balls and they're going out of the park.

Can you feel it off your bat? Does it have a different feel? Yes and no, like sometimes like there's balls that we hit and we're like, oh, it's gone. And then next thing you know, it's caught and you're like, wait, what? Like the years past that ball's, you know, 10 rows deep usually. So, um, I think early on it's tough to tell in Chicago with the, the weather and the weather, but, uh, yeah, some of them you're like, man, that should have went and you know, they're camped under it. Like, uh, we had a late game Hayward hit one, like 105.6 that got caught at the track where like, how's that even possible? Yeah. Can you, can you tell like in batting practice when it's

going to be a good ball night? Ooh, I don't, I don't know if those balls are the same because some of them are clearing the street easy across Waveland and then, uh, yeah, I don't know. They dropped their balls on you last minute when the lights come on. Do you guys obsessively check the wind at Wrigley? I mean, I do as a better and just cause I'm like, you know, also you can tell the minute you see like the line open and it's like, oh, it's 12 and you're like, that makes sense. Oh yeah. Okay. The wind. So like, when you know, it's a good wind day, you're like, I got to, I got to eat today. I got to get something up in the air and just let it go. For sure. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. Those are the days you got to get something in the air.

You can't have anything more than one ground ball or something, but it's the opposite effect of, uh, our good friend, Dan Herron, who pitched for half a season at the Cubs and he obviously pitched a long time in Major League Baseball, but he was like, whenever the wind was blowing out, I would just try to call him sick and like not want to be there. Yeah. Right. Exactly. I don't want to play today. I feel like we need to talk about what happened last time you were on this show, Patrick. Okay. Because I got a bone to pick with you. All right. Do you know where I'm going to go with this? I have a feeling, but I'll let you. We asked you specifically if you respected 90. Oh, and I'm a big fan of like the guys that, that sprint to first base after a walk, like the real

try hard guys. It's, it's very funny to me to watch like David Eckstein's like sprint down the first baseline. Um, and you said that you respected 90 and you said the next time you drew a walk, you would sprint to first base, you'd hustle. Well, we watched you, you drew a walk and then you just kind of laxedasically trotted down the line. You completely forgot about your promise to this podcast. If you have a good explanation for it, I'd love to hear it, but if not, like we might have an issue. Yeah. I forgot about this. This is a problem. We were all very disappointed because we, we watched the game. We went out of our way to watch you play in this game. Yeah. And we saw you get the walk and we could not believe it. We're sitting in this room or jaws on the floor. Yeah,

I'm sorry about that let down because, uh, I realized when I got to first base that I didn't sprint and I was going to let you guys down like, I really hope they're not watching this game and maybe they'll catch my next walk, but then I got ball four and it just went right over my head. I didn't even. So, so hold on. Are you, are you saying that when you're in the batter's box in Major League Baseball, you're not thinking about us? Is that what you're saying? No, it feels, it feels a full count. Yeah, definitely not. I was trying to think of some tivity and just, uh, what the hell? Why aren't you thinking about us? But I did get to first and I'm like, oh shoot. Yeah. Should have sprinted for the guys. Uh-huh. All right. Well, you have a redemption and we're not going to run this probably

till next week. So maybe the day after it runs. Hopefully I can get a couple walks in. Yeah, Frank, maybe you can help us out. Maybe sprint. We just want to sprint to first base. Do you want to do anything like when I get to first? No, just sprint. I just want to see somebody run to first base after a walk. Yeah, just respect 90. Respect 90. Yeah, I'll give you one. Yeah. I don't walk much, so I'll celebrate every walk. Yeah. Hell yeah. I'll give you a hard 90. Not enough people pimp their walks. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I'll give you one. Exactly. A backflip maybe and then run. Give us a quick sprint. All right. So Frank, I have, uh, this kind of a weird question for you. Okay. So you're wearing regular clothes now. You look like a regular person. Do you realize those sometimes

when you put on the uniform and especially you do the thumbs up, you look like, uh, like somewhere between like an accountant and a little league player. Okay. Do you, do you know that you have that look? Like there's times when I watch you like do something awesome. I'm like, how is this guy doing it? Because you have, I don't know, you have like an unassuming look to you. I mean, it's gone right now. It might be just me when you put the cap on. Do you know you look goofy sometimes? Uh, I, I know now that, uh, I'd hope someone else had told you. Yeah, I just, uh, I don't have Twitter because, you know, a lot of negative stuff on there. But, uh, I'll see all the good ones through my buddies and stuff like that. And yeah, I've, I've realized I'm, I'm pretty

goofy out there. And I think it's relatable in a way, but people are like, how the hell is he a big league player? It's not a bad thing yet. No, I think it's the thumbs up. It's really when you do the thumbs up, because it's like you, it's almost like a surprise that you hit a home run. And even though you're in the big leagues and you do the thumbs up, it's like, it looks a little bit like our coworker, Tommy smokes. Yeah. Look at this one. We go meet him. Yeah. Yeah. Like that one where it's like, you look, you look pretty, you look like an accountant who had like two wine coolers at the Christmas party. Yeah. Right as I'm hitting the dance floor. Yeah. But at the same time, you look like, like you're experiencing the fact that this is very cool that you just hit a home run.

Correct. Oh yeah. Yeah. You know, some guys hit them and, you know, I have a straight face around the bases. I'm not for me. I'm going to join every second. Yeah. I love the enthusiasm. It's like infectious because I, when you hit, when you get a big hit or a big play, I'm like sitting, watching, being like, when is he going to do the thumbs up? When is he going to point to the dugout? Like this is going to be awesome. So I hope, I think there's a lot of people in my shoes who are thinking the same thing. I got to keep it going now. Yeah. Yeah. Keep the big hits rolling. All right. So you guys played, like I said, we're going to run this next week, but you were in Baltimore last night, rain delay, postponed. What, what do you do in the, in the dugout for

that many hours? Is there like, I'd imagine in my mind, it's like, Oh, you just sit there for three hours and bust each other's balls. But I would imagine that gets probably old after a while. Like what happens during a delayed game in MLB? I mean, we were playing cards, snacking. Jason, hey, we're trying to give a speech. That would be funny if he did that. It's like, all right guys, we're going to beat the Orioles and we're going to only be 10 games under 500. Not that, but he was saying, stay ready. He was convinced we were starting around 10. He was dressed the whole time and he said, he's seen it all on the East coast. So. Do you have to watch like what snacks you're eating before a game?

No, you know, the, the nutritionists is hanging around over there, but you know, we can pretty much sneak anything by. Do you guys have like a set pregame meal? I know that Wade Boggs had like a rotation of different chicken dishes that he would have. He would eat, I think he had five different chicken dishes and he would just cycle through them like a maniac, you know, throughout the entire season, never varied on anything. Is there anything specific that you have to eat before a game? Not me, no. I'd say if, you know, an 0 for 4 that I'm not going to eat the same thing. That's the only thing. So like some stuff is just out for good. What if you go like five for five? Oh, then you got to repeat it. Are you, are you wearing like the same underwear?

100%. Everything. Yeah. Everything. Not showering. Uh, no, you got to shower. Got to shower? Yeah, you could wear. We're getting rid of all the good sweat then. I know you might be right. You might be honest. If I would five for five in a major league baseball game, I would, I would go back to the clubhouse and I would just sit there and I'd be like, okay, I'm not touching until the next game. Yeah. Yeah. I'd be like, I'm not touching anything. Whatever happened today is, is good. I don't want to screw it up. Yeah. Yeah. So Patrick, you change your bat too. What, like what, what change? Can you explain it to dumb people who are like a bat to bat? It's the hand, it's the, like at the bottom of the hands, right? Yeah. I have that like big knob now. I saw

some other good hitters do it. Um, basically it's, so you can get a bigger and heavier bat, but not affect like the feel because the weight's below your hand. So you don't necessarily feel it in your swing. Got it. Yeah. And is it, it's helped a lot. Yeah. So you're supposed to hit the ball harder, which I've been doing. And, um, do you guys go look at like exit velocity where you're like, that should have been a hit. That would drive me insane. If you can go and do you see that right? I mean, frankly, you'd know that right away. Well, at Wrigley, they have it on the scoreboard. So like, soon as somebody hits it, like two seconds later, everyone like checks to see like how hard did he hit that? Yeah. How hard was that? And like the, uh, launch angle and stuff,

and then it has distance. What's the hardest you guys hit a ball that wasn't out? I had a one, 12 and one, 12 and change in Colorado last year, but just right at the left fielder. Anything with launch is way out, but I was just shaking my head the whole way back. That was tough to look at. Yeah. That's gotta be so frustrating. We, when we had you on last year, Patrick, we talked about Matt, uh, sorry, Jacob DeGrom and how much it sucked to face him. Who's the guy that you played this year? Either of you guys can answer this, that it's just like, well, this fucking sucks. Who's got like the nastiest stuff? We like, we're stuff guys. I like to talk about stuff. I'd say Corbin Burns owns me and, uh, Zach Gallin. Think I'm one for 20 something

combined off those two. And is it just nasty? What is it that he, like, what pitches give you the, the most problem when you're facing like that? Off burns, everything looks the same out of the hand. I know he's got him a couple of times, but to me, it's, you know, the high velocity cutter with the stuff moving off that big slider curveball to get you off it. And, you know, just out of the hand, everything looks, looks the same. So you're swinging and sometimes it's not there. Yeah. Yeah. Have either of you guys gotten into the game, you know, going back to your minor league career as a pitcher? All pitching? Yeah. Have you ever, I always loved that at the end of blowouts when they sent some like, oh, I threw the other day. He threw the other day. Yeah. Got two quick

outs and then let up back to back homers on back to back pit 61 miles per hour. Isn't it? Is that, is that something that you had ever planned for? Like, if I get into the game, here's, here's my strategy. Well, I was planning on like throwing some knuckleballs because I, you know, I messed around with it pregame all the time and I got on the mound and they were just terrible. I might have made them in nerves or I don't know, a bad ball or something, but I was just like. The humidity was off. You needed a certain, you needed to be fall weather. I said scrap that. We're lobbing it in there and it didn't work. And I think the last pitch I threw was 38 and Bader popped it up. So that might be the magic number. 38 miles per hour. Yeah. Yeah. I would just throw a change. I would

just throw Ephis. Yeah. Every time. Yeah. Just throw it as like a lollipop. Yeah. But it was fun. But hopefully I don't have to do that again. What was the feeling, you know, after, after the, the, Bader hit the ball and it's going over your head and you know, it's a home run instantly. Did you even think about doing the thing where you like hung your head or where you're like, you know what, this is kind of what they expected out of me. Oh, it's funny. I was shaking my head because I got the two quick outs. I was like, ah, maybe it's going to be a lucky day. And then first pitch, I think Dickerson was the first one that got me and then New Bar got me the two pitches to some, some damage real quick. But yeah, you know, I think it was, it was efficient.

Three outs and two homers on 10 pitches. Oh, that's not bad. The boys off the field. Yeah. Preserve the arm for the next day in case they need you again. Yeah. But it was fun. If you're out in the field, do you have like a specific person that you know that you're going to throw the ball to at the end of the inning? Like, is there a kid, do you ever like pick out a kid? You're like, okay, that kid's getting the ball. They're cheering hard. It looks like their first time at the ballpark. Or do you just like throw it in there indiscriminately? Oh, I uh, so my new strategy was, you know, I had to win some fans over when I got over there. So every, every ball, every ball, warm up ball throw into the crowd. So that's a good question. So sometimes I'll pick

them out in advance. Sometimes I'll throw it away from a section that I don't think they're going to have any chance of catching it. Yeah, you're like going door to door every fan. Yeah. So like the people that are, that are like chanting for Rizzo be like, okay, I'm going to give that guy a ball. Oh yeah. And they're going to love me for now. Yeah, we'll see who you're cheering for after the game. Yeah, that's true. Give a ball to like that person's kid. And they're going to like reluctantly have to become a Schwindel guy. Yeah, you got to win them over. It's brilliant. Yeah. So yeah, sometimes I'll pick them out and sometimes, you know, just wing it. There was a, uh, we're Milwaukee and I, the ball in between innings and I just threw it over the

stand or over the net indiscriminately. And I, I just saw the ball travel right to this guy. Wasn't paying attention. Doink round. And then Bruce van Bruce van got around top of the head. And they were like, oh, I'll attend into them. And they just put like the cold beer around top of his head. Yeah. Do you ever respect a fan that makes a really sick catch on a foul ball? Absolutely. Yeah. You ever like give them a round of applause? Yeah. I should be in the game. I don't know. But getting on the video board. We're hoping that like, basically what we're saying is can we do anything to impress you guys for you to be like,

those guys should be professional athletes. Oh, some of the, you know, the Wrigley tradition is to throw back the home run. So yeah, the some that could get close to the infield. You know, it's bullshit though. I don't know if you've ever noticed it, but there's, but I had season tickets in the bleachers for a bunch of years and there's a bunch of dudes who bring a ball. So if they catch a ball, they flip it. So they'll throw out the ball they brought, they'll throw back the ball they brought and they'll keep the home run ball, which is bullshit. You think it is? Yeah. That's I think the spirit of it is you got to throw back the ball that was hit. Right. You can always tell if the guy has a glove or he's like an older guy, he's doing that. Like if it's a drunk 20,

30 year old, they're just tossing it back. You can, you can tell almost right away though, like that guy's switching the balls. Now, do you, as the fan, get anything from Wrigley or anything for catching the home run and then throwing it back? No. Yeah. They come over and they hit, they hit the cup snake out of your hand. Yeah. Go make another one. Yeah. Go buy more beer and try to build another one. They should, they should reward that type of behavior from the fans. I agree. Send them a beer, send them a ball. Send them a beer. That's the least you could do. For sure. And honestly, like if I'm a fan, the plot to rookie of the year is exactly that. That's my dream scenario. Correct. To catch a ball, throw it back so far. They're like,

okay, we are actually going to sign this kid to the catcher dad. Yeah. Like that's, yeah, that's basically what we want you guys to think of us. Yeah. We got to do something so athletic. We're like, whoa, Jed, give these guys a try out. Yeah. Well, outlaw the position player pitching and we'll bring in the fan with the best arm. There should be a fan pitch. Yeah, I like that. Are you deserve blow your mind that you are playing in the, in the same stadium where we saw rookie of the year? Like you probably watched that movie growing up, right? I watched it like last week. Yeah. Yeah. It's a great movie. Yeah. It's great throughout the first pitch a couple of weeks ago. Yeah, he always does every year. He does. So it was cool.

Have you guys, what's your guys relationship with Jed? Do you see him when you see him? Are you saying Jed? Are you saying Mr. Hoyer? What it was? I said Jed. You said Jed. So Jed, you cool with him? Yeah, I think so. I used to walk my dog in Oz Park and he walked his dog at the same time and he would, it was funny because we were like friendly, but I would tell, I could tell he'd always give me information that like he basically walks around with a little information in his pocket. Like I can tell this guy and like he'll think that I'm giving me inside information and it's like something everyone knows. But I would walk away being like, holy shit, Jed, just told me all these secrets. Yeah. They're none, none of them are secrets. Yeah. Does he ever give

you guys some of those? Like where he's like, here's like, you know, something about his strategy and you walk away and you're like, yeah, you know what? Like I'm sure he said that to like everyone in the building just now. Not that I know of. Okay. Well, he's got to start doing that because it makes you feel good. When a guy like that tells you something, you're like, wow. Oh, I bet. Yeah, this is awesome. Yeah, I'm a no. Yeah, you feel like you're part of the plan. Yeah, right. Let's do it. Right. The inside guys. Yeah, you asking for my advice because I'll give it to you. How do you guys feel about the bigger basis? Oh, good question. So last year, when I spent some time in triple A,

they didn't seem like it wasn't like that big of a difference. Right. Obviously, it's like different, but it wasn't like astronomical. I don't know what you think. I don't, I don't know if it's going to make much of a difference, but I just think funny. Robert said they wear those boxes. Yeah. Yeah. But the basillars wear those gloves. Anyways, they like stick out. Oh, yeah, the mittens. But the steels are up or, you know, I think there's been so many reviews and close calls this year. So maybe that'll, I don't know how much that'll affect it, but stuff like that. Speaking of which, did you ask for that review at home plate when you were out by a million feet?

Me? Oh, no, I didn't. That was one of the worst reviews ever. Well, they were saying if he blocked the plate or not because Wilson got called on it like a couple of games prior to that. Got it. Because we had the sound off because you were watching the NBA finals and I just saw that you were, I don't know what happened. Yeah, you were a total toast. Yeah. Do you got, can you guys ever tell like Ross to review it or does he listen to you when you say that? Yeah, I think like if we were very adamant about it. Because I love every, it's basically every sport now. Like any sport, if there's review, the, you know, I think actually in the NBA finals, someone got called for a foul in the first quarter and

he went to the coach and was like, review it. And the coach was like, are you fucking sick? Like, why would I do that? I only have one. Like every, every, every player wants everything reviewed. Oh yeah. But yeah, I knew I was out. Yeah. You were so, I mean, that makes like a flip or something. It makes more sense that it was not a review to see if you were out because we were watching and we were like, wow, they're idiots. Yeah. What is David Ross doing right now? I've never seen a more out person in my life. Yeah, I was running and I see the throw come in. I'm like, oh, I'm going to be toast. But I don't know how to go about sliding in here. So you should just go backwards in those points. Like just running. But yeah, but like going backwards, like, I don't

know, like I just try to do something a little different, maybe jump over them. Yeah. Oh yes. That has happened to Yachty. Yes. Yes. Yachty's the worst. You guys don't have to answer that, but he is the worst. That was a question or statement. It was a statement and you're both nodding furiously. So I appreciate that. All right. So I have one last question. It's a rowback question promo code take for 20% off. We got Q zips, hoodies, polos for you guys, rowbackrhoback.com, use code take for 20% off your first purchase. So like I said, we're going to run this a little later next week. But right now as we're sitting here, the angels have lost 12 in a row. What do you like, what would you guys do if you're on that team? I don't, I actually like

can't imagine losing 12 in a row and sitting there every day. Like have you guys been a part of a long losing wreck, like streak where it's like nothing is going well? Oh yeah, last year 12. Yeah, it was 12. I think right around there. Yeah. I mean, it was bad last year, but also the angels were in first place and they lost 12. Like they were, they were humming and now it's fallen off the cliff. So what happened last year when, when 12 in a row happened? I forgot that last year was 12. I thought it was like nine or 10. I think it was, I think it was twice, once before I got there, once when I was there. But uh, yeah, those are ones, some of you just scratch your head and after the game and just say, all right, you know, lace them up and go at them again tomorrow. But yeah,

so they did, I don't know if you saw, they had everyone walk up to Nickelback. Oh yeah, did that work? No, no. Should they try like Creed next? Yeah, I know. So what, like was there, was there a moment like game eight where someone like stood up and was like, let's do this today. And then just like, all right, well now that didn't work. What do we do now? Yeah. Oh yeah. There was a, there was an instance where someone did that and we went out and scored like six runs in the first and then we lost like 12 to seven. Oh, that was the Brewers. Was it Philly? Yeah, something like that. We were up like seven nothing, then they put up seven the next inning. I probably, that was the Brewers I thought. Oh really? Yeah, because I tweeted Cubs are back. Yeah, it was

a Brewers game in Milwaukee and I was like Cubs are back. This is awesome. Oh boy. And then yeah, yeah, I actually distinctly remember that game. I was listening on the radio. I was like, dude, they're fucking back. Yeah, we came out with a vengeance and then it was like, he lost like 14 to seven. Yeah, like shoot. But yeah, we'll make sure to get you some wisdom jerseys. Yeah, jerseys. Yeah, jerseys. Who gets the number? Oh, we each got one of our own. So you guys get the pick. All right. Okay. Well, we could put your number on there. Yeah, I'm going to make the Fratric ones and it's going to be all in Greek letters. It's going to be a Fratric shirt. Yeah. I like it. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you guys got to keep going back to back.

That's electric when it happens. Yeah. Oh, I know. It's so much fun. Yeah. But I hope you guys enjoy the shirts we gave or I gave you. Yes, we gave us. Yeah, just a quick little plug. Yeah. So Northside high fives. Oh, nice. Yeah. So we do, we do high fives for, you know, pretty much anything good on the field. Yep. But if you buy the shirt off my website, the part of the proceeds will go to St. Jude. Love it. Yeah. So what's the website, papsiguisdom.com? That's it. Yeah. Hell yeah. I kept the shirt. That is very simple. Yeah. So we had some cool designs and yeah, the Northside high fives I thought it was a cool little like gig and saying. So we all wear them and yes, you want to be part of the squad.

All right. Dusty Baker, invent the high five. Dusty Baker. I'm pretty sure he claims that he got on time in the rap. Yeah. No, I think he claims that he invented the high five. He was like the first person to do it. I could see him claiming that. Yeah. That's some like Roman, like Greek God or Roman Emperor, like high five one of his guys. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, definitely. He is a legend. So yeah. No, Jesus wasn't going out there high five anybody. No, it was Dusty Baker in like 1976. I'm pretty sure he says, or he says he invented the high five. Yeah. I'm going to believe him. Yeah. Dusty Baker seems like a cool guy. So all right. So when this runs, everyone go to PatrickWisdom.com, check out the shirts, great shirts.

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Got the dub. Okay. So this will be fun. If it goes the other way, this will be a fun time capsule. And like I said, seven, we're having a live event at. Oh, wow. Oh yeah. Okay. Hank, let me ask you this. Did the players leave any money in the ceiling when they were out in Golden State knowing that they would make the trip back? I know, but I know that Golden State like booked on core for this big celebration night. And so it sucks that they're not going to be able to get to do that. Fuck. All right. Now I'm scared. Okay. So like I said, we're taping this before we're in the middle of the afternoon. It's noon. Hank is zooming in because we knew he was going to be in Boston. Billy is zooming in because he just didn't want to come to work. No, I, I, I woke

up. Felt a little bad. I'm taking a COVID test. And if it's you had a little bit of a COVID scare, but I'm taking it, I'm taking it. And then doesn't feel good. Throat, cough, all that. Billy's being very responsible. Okay. So it's the only response from one of the podcasts. Now I haven't been vlogging from home real quick. Good. Yeah. You must be, you must have been blogging from home. I have a real quick, I have a text real quick. I'm going to get to my firefest later, but this is from Tuesday at 4.38pm because again, I'll get to my firefest, but I've had to deal with COVID around my life this week. And

I've been doing the responsible thing to protect everyone on the show. And the guests that we've had on, I've been testing religiously every morning to make sure that I don't have COVID. When I told everyone I was going to be testing every morning, Billy wrote, please don't test. No testing. Ignorance is bliss. That was just two days ago. What's been the change of heart, Billy? You know, just keeping everybody safe. Okay. Was it your hero, Dr. Fauci, getting it? Yes. Yeah. I mean, if Fauci could go down, anyone could go down. Yeah, I could get anybody. Yeah. So I got a phone handed to me about an hour ago from Jake. And usually what happens if Billy is finding himself in like some sort of predicament,

sometimes he'll try to text me on the side thinking that me and Big Cat don't talk about things and that we don't share things. So Billy's like, oh, I'm going to go to the crunchy granola mom instead of strict stepdad. And instead of doing it that way, what Billy did this time was he actually called Jake. He was even afraid to text me on the side. So he calls Jake and Jake just hands me the phone. And Billy's like, are we recording right now? And I was like, yeah, we are. He's like, I thought it was, I thought it was 2pm today. It's like, well, no, we got, we have an interview with somebody at three, I believe. Yeah. I'm actually happy this happened because every now and then there'll be like a undercurrent of people who are like, you're too

strict and hard on Billy. And this is a great show of like, no, we're not. We're actually not because he just didn't show up to work today, which how many jobs? 12 o'clock is pretty early. Yeah. How many jobs? Yeah. How many jobs can you just not show up? And in reality, we're not strict because he's not in trouble. You know what? He's just looks like a fool. And this is also right before he wants to be sent to Nashville. I'm taking away an emoji. I mean, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. So, so, so just to just to recap for everyone, Billy wants us to send him to Nashville to party with tight end you. And we basically were like, if you are on good behavior leading up to it. Yeah, we could think about this. This might be fun. And then for some reason,

last night, he got so drunk that he didn't show up to work. That doesn't feel like well doing enough to get sent to tight end you. So yeah, the floor is Billy's for all the lies that he's about to give us. Look, dude, it was, uh, it was sick. It was not a garage was filmed. You want to unpack that? I back at film festival. Jolo. I mean, it was awesome. I mean, I did. I'm here to take my lashings. Did what I did. You know, but it was, uh, it was cool. What did you do specifically? Yeah, you did entourage. That's as far as I know, you were in entourage last night. You were cosplaying entourage. It was awesome. So who did you go out with? Uh, literally all the best lacrosse players from my childhood. Okay. Anybody else that works on

this show? Was anyone in particular? Uh, Jake went home. Okay. Oh, so, no, so Jake went out with you though, right? Then he went home and then he went home and then he came into work. No, no, Jake, Jake went home very early after party till one in the morning. Oh, you were there Jake to one in the morning. Okay. Yeah. So that's, that's a reasonable thing. So this is also, uh, these are my favorite moments too, because Billy thinks that the history of Barstool started when he showed up and he'll sometimes be like, uh, big cat, you don't understand how hard I have it. Like you don't understand. Like this is like difficult. Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. So I remember vividly, um, if I could just share a story when the Blackhawks won the Stanley Cup, I think in

2013, um, I was lucky enough to go out with the team. I was out till I want to say four or five in the morning because I remember I vividly remember hearing the birds chirp when I got home. And then I wrote like 14 blogs the next day because I know if I didn't, Dave would have like reamed my ass out and made a fool of me. Um, and so that just kind of shows you the easiness that you have because really the only punishment you're getting is we're just doing this five minute segment where we're like, dude, you couldn't come to work. Uh, on a Thursday, on a Thursday at noon, it was 2pm. I thought we were doing it 2pm. Wait, wait. What time do you usually come to work? It was 2pm. What are you talking about?

What was 2pm? Okay. I have no excuses. There it is. You're not getting the emoji back. There we go. The emoji's already gone. I don't want to take all the emojis. Billy, let me ask you an honest question. Sorry. I'm sorry. Do you think that you are at a place in your life where you can handle the freedom of going to Nashville next weekend? Be honest. Uh, yes. Oh, come on. You should have said no. They would have given you an emoji for honesty if you said no. I cannot because the thing is the past couple of days you've been entertaining a lot of clients and wait, what? What are you in sales now? What though? You're entertaining what? Clients? Who's a client? Name, list the clients because there was an S on that. I would love to

hear it. One client. Uh, game time? Oh, Aryan. Aryan's a client. Wait, wait, game time. No, because they give you a free ticket doesn't mean that you're entertaining. That's not how that works. They're actually entertaining you. Yeah. Yeah. And I don't think you were with that. You just went to a game. Like, I don't think you were with. No, he, no, he wasn't. He went to a game. That was an entertaining game time. It's basically like when you, Billy thinks that when he drinks 15 cores light on Friday night, he's like, well, I'm entertaining cores light as a client. Yeah. I'm a big ad partner dinner tonight. Billy, you're literally sitting and drinking beers on your couch. I'm doing work guys. It's

content. It's fine. I'm actually not mad. Um, I'm just more, it is like I said, I'm happy that it happened so that it can be an illustration to our audience who sometimes thinks PFT and Hank and I are too hard on you. It's like, actually we're very easy on you when it all comes down to it. Cause I'm not, you're not in trouble. It's just, um, it's just very funny that you couldn't show up to work. I like, this is like, I took a shower. Oh, okay. Awesome. Now we're, yeah, progress. I got up, I got up like at 10, 30, 11, like being like, okay shower, get like going to work. And then it was like, Oh shit, we're recording at 12. And I was like, fuck. Okay. So you got up and everything and you even took a shower before you were even supposed to be at

work. So technically you were early. I'm sure there's plenty of AWLs who can relate to waking up for work at 10, 30 and 11. Like this is, no, this is cool. Also, also just want to throw that out there that PFT, you know, usually how this podcast works, um, as much as we think we, people think we don't have our shit together. We'll chair on the techs chain like, Hey, what's the schedule tomorrow? Let's just fill each other in. PFT at 5.42 PM last night. So that's, that's fairly early. That's not like late breaking news. Texted the group. So noon tomorrow for Firefest for Stappin' Perez at three, started the show via Zoom after the game. Nice little teaser. Yeah, that is. Yeah, that is. But that was all laid out. And everyone was like,

yep, that's perfect. Let's do it. Um, minus Billy. Yeah, dude. Being a big out. All right. Well, I think this is, this is good because this is your Firefest. We've done your Firefest here. I'm also noticing that like Billy, Billy's got a little fake Clay Thompson vibe thing going on right now. Yeah, the goatee, the goatee. We should, you know what, if Boston had their shit together, they would like try to sneak in their own fake Clay Thompson, and then they would stop the real Clay Thompson outside the arena and give him a hard time and detain him for like an hour being like, there's a lot of fake Clay Thompson's going around. How do we know you're the real one? Yeah, that's what they should be doing. Billy,

Billy gives the Warriors 35 minutes tonight. Yep. I love that. Although Hank, like in the alternate like 0.0001% chance, what if Billy beat the Celtics? That would probably be the worst loss of your life. Yeah, I mean, yeah. That would never happen. This is what now boos by the first quarter. I've been balling pretty hard lately. Oh, yeah. It sounds like you've balled a lot, a lot. All right. So let's get to Firefest. Unless you have anything else, Billy, that you wanted to throw out there, any other clients or excuses you want to throw to the wall and see if they stick? Look, I am honestly very, I'm sorry. It was a serious mental error. Mm hmm. I think it was more of scheduling and thinking I had more times. I did not make

any excuses. I am sorry to the listeners because honestly, they deserve better for me. And I'm sorry. And I know there's going to be a lot of people angry. And I'll take my lashings like a man. No, yeah. No, it's happening. Yeah. No, it's happening. Give us at least one good story, low key story from last night. We were in Chang Tatum's apartment. Oh, that's cool. Was he there? No. Does he know that people were in his apartment? I don't think he lives there anymore. Got it. But it was awesome. It was a great event in the movie. So not his apartment. Wait, what do you think Chang Tatum's apartment? What does that sentence mean to you? It probably, it was very cool. Right. But he is not Chang Tatum's apartment.

Not anymore. But the sport was honestly amazing. It was like, I think that it's going to be as huge for lacrosse as Drive to Survive was for F1. It was an amazing feature. This movie. Showing amazing venue on the water on Battery Park. Like it was awesome. It's going to single-handedly turn lacrosse into fifth major sport. It's going to get in the top five. Through this movie. Thank God you went and entertained those clients. I know. It was an amazing movie. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, let's get into Firefest. That was a great review. Jake, how was the night from your perspective? By the way, I want to just say, not to brag, but I called it when Billy's pictures showed up from the red carpet. Jake, you look great. Doug's look great. Billy was wearing a

party shirt and people were trying to make fun of Billy for what looked like a double chin. I did not think you looked bad, Billy. I thought he looked wide. There have been some bad angles of Billy going around the internet recently. But it was so clear that he was wearing a shirt that was like he was hoping that one of his lacrosse heroes was like, bro, this guy is fucking ready to party. Let's go have a crazy night. And then it turns out that's exactly what happened. So mission accomplished in terms of the shirt, which I thought was a good play by you. I mean, he was a red carpet event. I didn't know what to wear to a red carpet event, so I was just like, let's wear the shirt that looks like drapes.

Smart. Yeah. And so Jake, how many waters did we mix in last night? I double fisted for the beginning. One water and one beer. Oh, yeah. Water and a drink. Yeah, double fisted. Yeah. Hell yeah. It was a great event. Shout out to PLL for inviting us, but that was my Firefest. I thought I'd looked bad in the red carpet photo too. We all looked pretty heavy. I think the worst photo of us is they could. You know what it was, Jake? Because as someone who's had very, very bad angles, when you wear a suit, you have to make sure that your shirt is always tucked in like at all times because you had a little bit of that pillow where it wasn't your body, it was just the shirt. Like

suits were as a podcast, a bunch of guys that weren't meant to be in suits. I think that's just a fact. Like there are people who look like suits. I wear one all the time. I got to be extra careful. Yeah, I know, but we're just like, it's hard to look good in a suit. You got to wear a suit all the time. You got to have like those finely Italian tailored suits. Function next week. Yeah, you're gonna have a nice suit. I always say like, if you're wearing a suit, it's good to have like one giant accessory to take people's mind off how weird you look in that suit. So like a fun hat. Or shoes and belts. Yeah, something big, like a big belt buckle. Who designed suits? I see watch. Yeah, nice watch. Whose idea was it to be like, Hey, guys have to wear five pieces of clothes.

And these are the five pieces that make them look good. Yeah, it's weird. Yeah, I agree. It's hard to look good in a suit. Yeah, it was probably like back in the day when like, it was only rich people could afford more than like three pieces of clothing. True. I actually think it probably had something to do with people used to stink really, really bad. So the more layers of clothes they could wear, the less smelly they were. Yeah. And so like rich people would just stock up on layers. It would be a cool alternate reality where like the suit was just a tank top. Yeah, that was the formal wear back in the day. And that's just how we've how we've progressed as a society like 1400s Christopher Columbus approaches the like royal court and

he's rocking a wife beater and jinkos. He's walking it while we're rocking a lax penny. Yeah. Yeah, Marilyn lax penny and he's like, What's up, bros? All right, so that's your firefest Jake, that's your firefest Billy Hank, what's yours? I'll take from my last week's firefests. I did find my AirPods my golf bag. So that's a that's a that's a dub. They're about to die though. But I kind of told PFC this the other day as a joke, kind of kidding, but like low key. I just said that for real fuck. Sneaky, it might actually come to fruition. I am trying to find an apartment and because I've been coming back to Boston so much and just like moving around and shit, I haven't really had

time to like go and look at places and like every place I look. Oh, no. The place I've looked, they just like, Oh, yeah, someone else got it. Like we had 10 people apply and someone else got it. I have like another, I have like another few weeks, but I was telling PFC, I was like, there's a chance I have to move shit into your beach house for a couple weeks. Oh, yeah. Big Cat was thinking the same thing. I was thinking way worse when Hank was telling me about this that he would have to move in with Billy. Yeah, that's what I thought. I actually think it would be good to go to the office. I move, I move to the streets. Yeah. Well, I mean, with your new paycheck, you can probably move into Channing Tatum's

old place. True. But yeah. Yeah. Hank might be like, at least Hank's stuff might become a temporary roommate of mine down at the Jersey Shore. Why wouldn't you just put your stuff in the office? There's so many like spots now upstairs. You just throw your shit like couch and shit. I might just do storage. I don't know. It's just one of those things where just a tip. I feel like that would probably be the smart thing to do if you're going to stay in the same location, maybe do storage instead of moving all of your stuff two hours away to then move it all the way back. It was not two hours away. It was more like storage, put it in storage, but then I will come stay at the house for a couple of weeks. Like I was basically

inviting myself. I'm more just trying to make it. I'm just more trying to help PFT where like you just said you might move a couch into his rental house. That seems a lot. I don't know. I don't know what's going to happen. I just know that next week is gut-checked on. Yeah, no. Hank. It's one of those things where because I came back last week on Wednesday and I was home for the weekend and then I came back this morning and like during the week I just didn't. I tried to look at apartments, but they didn't have times like before or after work and I could just pull a million and not come in. So I just didn't get to look at any apartments and I have less than a month at this point. Yeah, you're more than welcome to come stay. That would be fun.

It's going to be a good time. We've got a pool table. We've got a bar inside the house. We're right by the beach. I've got the gayest truck in North America. That would be a great look, me and Hank driving around in the out-and-about truck. Why don't you just stay, Hank? In my current apartment? Yeah. I told them, no, they tried to raise my rent. Oh, that's one of those ones that I would just be like, fuck it, I'm not moving. Yeah, have you tried to negotiate or do you need an expert? No, I also don't like, I mean, I don't know if I saw this on the show. Did I talk about the view thing on the show? Oh, you don't like the view? Okay. I looked at this building and it has

a sick view of Manhattan. And then the apartment I looked in, I didn't really like the layout and there was, they're like, oh, we have these other different layouts in the building. And I just looked at the blueprint and I was like, oh, this is perfect. Every fucking, like every, every view has to be sick. And then when I walked in, it had like, it was like blocked, like my view is blocked. And it's just pissed me off for the entire year. So I can't do it again. Talk some prayers, Hank. That's brutal. I know. Well, yeah, I mean, yeah, whatever. Skyline is one of the problems. Thank God you found your AirPods in your golf bag. I mean, what do you want me to do? It's Firefest. Like, what am I supposed to talk about?

It's true. It's true. No, these are, they didn't have good seat selection in the Legends Club tonight. Wait, where are you sitting? Next to the Warriors Bench. Oh, okay. Oh, yeah. That's, that's tough. Oh, it would have been nicer next to the Celtics Bench. It turns out I left the diamonds in my Maserati. So problem solved. All right, PFT, your Firefest. My Firefest, I've been dealing with this off and on for like the last week and a half or so, but it really, it got concerning to me last weekend. I woke up, I thought I was having a heart attack. I woke up and my entire left arm was numb. And when I say numb, I don't mean like pins and needles numb. I mean, I could not feel anything on my skin from the

shoulder down to the tips of my fingers. And I, that's a weird feeling to have when like a complete limb is just not there. And so I sat up and I was, I was turning side to side in bed and my arm was like flopping around. And so I would pick it up with my right hand and drop it. It would just snap back into place. And after about, I don't know, two minutes or so, I was able to like get feeling in it and move it around. But then it's happened to me like to a certain degree, maybe three times over the last week and a half when I just wake up and my arm is kind of, I think my arm is about to fall off. Yeah. My left arm. That's, I mean, it sounds like it's just your arm to sleep, but it sounds obviously more severe. Maybe I like nerve damage in my,

I don't know. Are you sleeping on your arm? I don't think so. Maybe just from years of blogging. Damn. It's overuse injury. I don't know. Imagine if you had to get a hook. If you got a hook, that would be cool. It was kind of sick. Yeah. I was actually thinking about what, if I were to get some sort of prostate, if my arm fell off like a lizard's tail, like what I would get to replace it, I think, I think the hook is a little bit dangerous. It's either hook or robot arm. Yeah. Robot. I would like to have the robot arm. Yeah. Yeah. Then I couldn't play guitar anymore. That'd be tough. Yeah. That would be like a maraca. What? Yeah. Like a maraca or something. Oh, like a shaker? Yeah. Yeah. Billy, as, as our

pro football doc, what's your medical diagnosis of my arm not feeling there anymore? You got to work on your circulation, probably get a vasco dilator, start lifting, do some cardio, get the blood pumping. I do. We work out together sometime. You know that I lift. We haven't worked out a long time. Wow. I know you haven't. I worked out yesterday morning, but anyway. And you still took that picture? You're looking jacked. Yeah. All right. Well, thoughts and prayers. Yeah. I don't know. When you say vasco dilator, are you talking about like Viagra? No. Well, maybe, but I think you're- All right. I just got prescribed Viagra. Yeah. Some type of blood thinner. Are we talking like maybe pain? You gotta get the blood pumping. Loosen it up a little bit. I think, so once I

started moving around, then I was able to move my arm again. Yeah. I think you're restricting blood flow to your arm somehow. See, I get that pumping. Maybe I did sleep on it in some weird way. But I've done it like three times this week. That's fucking crazy. It was crazy. It was like my arm wasn't even there. And then I told Nick once I got in the office, I was like, yeah, I think I was having a stroke. He goes, no, that's a heart attack. Yeah. You're having a heart attack. Yeah. One or the other. That's fine. Did you, uh, JJO with your numb hands? No, I didn't jack off with the ghost hand. Well, he thought he was having a heart attack. Now, the thought did occur to me after the fact is like, whoa, I bet that would have felt sweet. But I couldn't move

my hand. So I would, if I wanted to do that, I would have had to like wedge my hand like against a wall and then fuck my own hand. Yeah. I couldn't move it. So worth thinking about if it keeps happening. Maybe next time. Yeah. Now that next time I'll be prepared. Yeah. All right. My fire fest wrap up. Like I said at the start, I went to a wedding last weekend and literally everyone got COVID except myself, knock on wood. But yeah, it's been a hell of a week. My wife is out with COVID at a hotel. And so I've been one on two with the kids trying to earn Father's Day. I feel like I'm like, I'm getting tested right before Father's Day. Like, can you actually earn this? Yeah. So are you going to be, are you going to be relieved of duty by Father's Day? Maybe not. So it

might just go into the watch. It might just be, you know, one on two. Um, yeah, it's, it's been, it's been interesting. This is your Cam Newton moment where you're like, okay, I got this. So a lot of, a lot of moments where I look up and I'm like, wait, where the fuck are my kids? And they're like somewhere in my apartment. Yeah. So it's, you know, a little, gotta be a little more on my toes. But yeah, it's been, it's been fun trying to juggle all that. I imagine that, um, if you're dealing with like two poop emergencies at once, that's probably the worst part, right? Uh, no, it's no, actually listen, when should become a dad? Like poop is nothing like, I don't, it just doesn't even phase me. It's way more like, um, where, like where are my kids? Like they're,

they crawled into a room and now I don't hear them. The, the silence is the scariest thing is apparent. When, when you can hear your kids playing, nothing matters. But when you like, they like walk out of your eye, eye line and then it's silent. You're like, oh fuck, something bad is happening. So, but yeah, it's been a fun test. And, uh, yeah, I'm just, just remember to wish me a happy father's day on Sunday because I earned it this year. I really do think that Billy is giving us good real life experience for raising a teenager. Like Billy, for all intents and purposes, Billy is 14 years old. If my son is like Billy, I might have to just kick him out of the house.

No, I think it might be a situation like Jimmy Butler. I just got banished. I would be ready. I think I would be ready for a Billy like child by the time they're 14, just from going through this experience. I don't know. Cause you, the problem is, just give him a ball and you're like, okay, go, go throw this against the wall. So like you have to, you have to have like still unconditional love for your child and that would be tough for Billy right now. I still love Billy. Yeah. But unconditionally, no, I mean, there's definitely a line. That's, that's the thing. There's an unconditional love is very different than just regular love. There's a lot. I unconditionally love Jake. Yes. Absolutely. So

Hey man, this podcast life. Okay. Oh my God. Billy really did something like that. Just, just when Billy gets fakes in the middle, that's actually when I come closest to not loving you. Yes. Correct. Because Billy has actually said to me, like he has stone face been like, you don't understand how hard like this content game is. And I'm like, dude, are you, are you actually saying this to me? I just said that. I think you blogged at a different era. I will say that. Yes. So he's going to see this is, this is the crazy. It was actually hard to blog anymore, but you don't blog. And also your job. The early 2010s was maybe the hardest era to blogging. You had the most competition, the fiercest competition. For example, I think you could

have like, when you put up 14 blogs, like it's 14 blogs that no one else is blogging. Whereas like now you're blogging. This is insane. This is what I deal with people. He literally said, he said to me, I don't even know if the video is out now. He's like, you don't understand how hard it is to like be on camera all the time and blog all the time. Like, you literally just described my life. No, they used to get in the most petty fucking fights about blogs. Like it was, and yeah, yeah, that's just not true. Billy would have gotten chewed up and spit out in 2013 on the blog sphere. I mean, there was less bloggers and there was more topics to blog. So you could get out.

No, there was not more topics to blog about. That's just, there's way more now. Yeah. Like, you know how many more people are on the internet right now? Do you know how many stories happen every day? There's stories out my asshole. But like there's other people who would take the same stories. Yeah, we would write. That happened then. That happened then all the time. But there was more, there was less bloggers, more topics. No. Billy also, the reason that you didn't blog this morning was because you were hung over and didn't wake up until 11 o'clock. Correct. Correct. Not because like, well, Billy's gonna be like, well,

if I had been awake, people would have taken all the blogs I was going to write. So I got drunk. I have, I have just like three blogs in my pending that just won't get posted. Wow. Too, too bold for the internet. Billy, you realize that like if I, like there was the only time I can remember someone just not blogging one day, just waking like we woke up and this person just didn't blog. It was Trent when he went to jail. He was literally in jail. That was the only time I can remember someone just being like, not going to blog today. And Trent probably tried to blog from jail. Who says I wasn't in jail? Okay. Oh man. All right. Numbers. Jake, do you have one? A number? Oh, you already did. He just fired us that picture. Yeah. Yeah. He's, the problem is

right now he's in that like goofy hungover phase where he thinks everything's funny. Yeah. And it's yeah. Yeah. Billy's about to have some really bad tweets this afternoon. Yeah. I can tell some bad. And then he's going to regret it tomorrow. And he's going to be like, my dad's mad at me. You guys made me tweet. My dad's mad at me. It's basically the weekend big cat. It was Wednesday night last night. How's your Saturday, Billy? All right. 26. What's your number, Hank? 18. Memes got three. 25. Bubba. Six. Six. I'm gonna go two. Two. 69. 88. New. Wow. Score got me. Patrick Kane. Michael Irving, right? Michael Irving. Yeah. Playmate. Six, 26, 27, 29, 51, 78. Love you guys.