Parenting Hell with Rob Beckett and Josh Widdicombe - Now That's What I Call Parenting Hell... Volume 11

Episode Date: August 16, 2024

We take a very short break during the summer holidays - a selection of some of our favourite chats about (mostly) parenting misadventures with previous guests…  We’ll see you in a week or so for the start of Series 9!!  Episode Playlist: Joe Wilkinson (S5 EP36)  Listen to Joe’s brilliant podcast Chatabix HERE  Fearne Cotton (S5 EP24) Dan Schreiber (S5 EP34)  Omid Djalili (S6 EP38) Natalie Cassidy (S6 EP52)  Listen to Nat’s brilliant podcast ‘Life with Nat’ HERE  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hello, I'm Rob Beckett. And I'm Josh Winnockham. Welcome to Parenting Hell, the show in which Josh and I discuss what it's really like to be a parent, which I would say can be a little tricky. So, to make ourselves and hopefully you feel better about the trials and tribulations of modern-day parenting, each week we're chatting to a famous parent about how they're coping. Or hopefully how they're they're tha be hearing from you the listener with your tips, advice and of course, tales of parenting woe. Because let's be honest, there are plenty of times when none of us know what we're doing.

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And you're listening to now say that, I need to belch. Burk, burp if you need to, Joe. No, I'm not burping on your podcast, you're in the bloody, you're one of the biggest podcasts in the country, you deserve better. I'll do it off Mike. It's um, it's about parenting. So we're experts in burping. You're right? I just broke my radiator. Fuck. You're right. Just keep my radio.

Sorry. You're right, Joe. Yeah, sorry. I need to belch and I broke my... Are you eating that? Really, you need to belch? Flupin' hell. I've never had this before.

Fulch. I've never had this morning? I've had a sausage. Just a sausage and a cold sausage that was left over from yesterday. Right, I can't go, I genuinely can't go on until I've burped. This is mad. I feel like a dangerous burp like. Why don't you get some menies? You're right. I think I've got heart burn and I need to burp. You're having a heart, you've got pins and needles in your arm? Don't, I'm at the age where that is a worry. No, I'm fine. I'm fine. Think of the numbers, Josh, if he has a heart attack on air, you're all right. God, that can get you up the charts, wouldn't that? Not you need it,, sorry, that's done.

Coar, that really scared me a second, that didn't. You're right? Yeah, just, I felt like, I've developed heartburn, I think, in the last few weeks. And Joe Lice, it sent me a really long message telling me how to sort it. I think it's one of the sweetest messages I've ever had. He gave me a blow by blow how to how to how to how to how to how to to how to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to their their to their their their their their their their, their their their their, their, their, their, their, thi. thi. thi. their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their thi. the. thea. thea. thea. thea' thea' thea' thea'ea' thiiia' thi. I's thi. I's thi. one of the sweetest messages I've ever had. He gave me a blow by blow how to control my heartburn. You need to get that sorted. Anyway, Joe, welcome to the show. Thank you. It's full welcome. Parenting hell.

And you so you haven't got, you've got a stepson. Is that right? Yes, I've got a stepson. Oh, grandda, Joe, yes. And how old is your stepson? He's 36. Wow. And step granddaughter is eight. So this is my question to you, Joe. You are someone who I'd say is quite hot. They overthink everything they do. Yeah, like quite self-critical, quite self-critical. Yeah, is that fair? I think that's the fairest thing you've ever said and

you've said some fair things in your time. So I can't imagine you turning off your self-criticism and just playing. Uh, I do, weirdly. Do you? Is that when you finally let loose? Yeah, the curtains are drawn, obviously. Yeah, it's weird, yeah. I've never really thought about it, but yeah, it's just, it's, um... Is it the real me I wonder is it let lose a part of you well it's it's sort of playing games and stuff and you're fun isn't it and you go no you can't you can't worry who's

watching because you can't stop the playing and going hold on I'm riddled with in securities and where do they come from? Good question. I guess, I'm very thin arms and I was incredibly self-conscious about those up until the age of, I guess even now, okay she's gone, she's gone over to Granny Pee. That's a good thing we're playing with kids though, isn't it? Because you can just let loose and be silly and no one could judge you can't play with a kid. It's fantastic, yeah. You sort of want to be able to do that with your mate still, even though you're like, we're older.

But you can't. I don't want to do that with my mates, Rob, I want to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have the relationship I have with my friends as is. I do not want to play a game where we have to first one to the dishwasher. No, I don't want to play that with Simon. David L. David, I've got his idea. I'd want you to do that. I would make sure that never hit YouTube. Never. That's a very good question. I'd never thought sure that never hit YouTube, never.

That's a very good question. I'd never thought about that. Yeah, completely let loose. It is me at my freest, probably. Yeah, probably, yeah. Fuck, that's really... Left me cold. Wow, I feel sick. Wow, I feel sick. Do you think of the games or does your... No, no. Does she think of it, like, that????? that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, th? I, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, tho, that, I thathe thathea, I that, I that, I that, I that's that's that's that's that's that, I that, I that, I that, I that, I th. I th. I th. I th? I th? I th? I th? I th? I th? I, I th? I, I th? I, I, I th? I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I'd thi, thi, thi, tha, tha, tha? I've tha-I've tha-I've thooooo-I've tha-I've that-I never, I feel sick.

Do you think of the games or does your step-grandtalk, does she think of it like, and then you play along, you just want a person to be marched around? Yeah, I am marched around. My other half is sort of ink, like, she, she adores Petra, and I'm a plaything. Petr's my other half. Yeah, Petra's my other half, her grandma. She adores her like, you know, not even close to, you know, I'm like second fiddle beyond that, obviously. But, but she knows that she has complete and utter control over me.

Like, it's, like she knows, she sensed weakness very early on. And she abuses that weakness to the full extent. I've been on people on panel shows that were like that. We work together now. I think it's quite easy to talk over Joe. I think it's quite easy to talk over Joe. I think it's quite easy to talk over Joe. So if Joe goes in for a bit, that's when you should, and this is people's agents, if you really want to get some stuff in. The best advice I can give you is when they turn to Joe, get in,

because he will crumble. Yeah, so yeah, I'm weak basically. When they turn to Joe, get in because he will crumble. Yeah, so yeah, I'm weak basically. So I'm running about basically and going, okay. But at eight, they do get a bit clever at eight. They go beyond being little kids to quite manipulative in sort of a sweet way. And you found yourself trying to sort of win her over? I feel like I feel like the relationship is going to is fixed now. Like I'm sort of I've won her over but I'm also like have no control of anything that happens in my

thing. Does she respect you if you say don't do something? I can't imagine you telling off a kid. Well is that if if Petra is, yeah, you know what I mean? Because she sort of understands that I can go, Petra, I'm going to need you to stop that. I think. Yeah, because I have no authority. Yeah, because I have no authority. I've never, I've never, have you ever had a work for you like have you had a job? Because you, have you both just done comedy really? No no no I've done jobs but I've always been.

You've been the underling? I've been the underling. I've never got to a position of, no, I've never been in a position of power. No, I haven't and I wonder what that's like because I wonder if it's something that you can learn if you've sort of, if you have to, if you suddenly start running your own business or something. But I wonder if I could ever be taken seriously. I'd genuinely wonder if like, if I ran like a proper company, I wonder if like the factory staff would still just walk past me. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Fuck off mate. I can, I think I can have you fired. Yeah, yeah. Just go fuck off mate. But I can, I think I can have you fired, yeah, go on in.

But I really want you to like me. So I think I'd just lose money this year. I'll just lose money, it's fine. Well, because we have tour managers, when you have a tour manager, that sort of someone someone working for you, sort of thou, that, that, that, that, to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to their, to to to to sort to sort to sort to sort to sort to their, their, to to to to to to to to to their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, toooooooooomoomoomoomoomorrow, tooomorrow, tooomorrow, tooome, tooomorrow, tooomorrow, too, tooomorrow, to sort sort, but I find that quite awkward because I'd like say I've never been like that where you sort of tell someone like not what to do but you are going I want to do this like and you're sort of I'm sort of paying you to manage my tour and on this tour I want to leave tomorrow 8 a.m. However that involves you having to get up and drive me at 8 a.m. Do you want to do that or not but actually I need you to do that because I've got to be in London at that time so it's awkward.

Yeah the thing about like agents and stuff like that they because we're because I think I can speak for all three of us we're cowards basically and I'm imagine you've occasionally gone I really need to leave at 830 for that, so I'll just quickly talk to Jason, whoever your agent is, and go, can you quickly send and just say I'll need to be gone by 830? Because you don't want to be proper. Yeah, you don't want to direct. It's pathetic, isn't it?

But anyone is straightforward about things like that, you respect, don't you? If someone comes to you and go, Rob, I'm going to need you that 830, sorry, because we're going to be, we need to be on the road by 9. You don't go, who's the fuck are you? No, yeah, it's fair enough. I've got all the information I need and I will be there at 8. Whereas me and you and you too go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go, Okay now, I can't ask someone to speak there at 830. That means I have to get up at 8. I can't be the person who's made them get up at 8. Fuck off, it's your tour. And they'll have no problem with getting up at 8. Yeah. It's all in their own heads in it, I think. Of course it is pathetic. I'll include you too, you pathetic bu. Pathing little thought. See Joe, this is the real the real the real the real th. This is th. This is th. This is the th. This is the the th. This is the th. This is the th is the the thi. This is the the thi. thi. the the th. the th. thathea' thi. It's thathea' th. It's to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have th. It's thathea' thathea' thathea' th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's thi. It's thi. It's thi. It's thi. It's thi. It's thi. It's thi. It's thi. thate. thate. thateate. thate. thate. It's thateate. It's all thoughts. See, Joe, this is the real you. You're not the you that's going to the, running to the dish.

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Visiting a haunted house. Chattah-Hawai and Cather-I-X. Chattah-In-Y-attah-T-A-X Chattavix. Chattavix. Josh, do you want to lead? Phone Cotton, hello. We do that every time. It's like, I literally say hello.

That was the intro, hi. Well, there's an intro beforehand. I don't need two intros. I think it's embarrassing if you sit there while we go, foot and cotton is a start of radio and television. Like you just vomit on the floor. How are you? Yeah, I'm good actually. I'm really good. I feel like a greyhound at the start of a race. I'm about to be let out. I've got so much to talk about. Oh, well, get all sorts. And also just, I love your podcast.

So I've got, this could almost be a sort of, like back in the day, I did extra factor, like the extra bit of X factor. I feel like I could do an extra show of Parenting Hell. Parenting Hell the kind of a debr, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I could do that and have guests on and we discuss what you've said. I could do that. I'm like, do you know what, don't rule it out, fun? Don't rule it out.

Oh, that would be terrifying. So we're just going to talk about, you know, was really making me happy? So I haven't drunk in, like properly, had like more than a drink. So I haven't had multiple drinks in the same day for about five years because of being a parent and I just don't want to feel like shit. But the other day, I had an accidental drunken evening with my five best mates from school,

they're like my crew. And we went for a casual dinner that went very wrong. And the next day, I had a lengthy drive home and I was listening to the hangover special episode. And it was like, there was like a visceral resonance to everything. Like Josh, even like the tone of your voice, it was everything. I was like there was like a visceral resonance to everything like Josh even like the tone of your voice it was everything I was like oh thank you well do you know I don't know if I said on the episode I don't because I don't remember really is the we were recording at 10 a.m. did I did I said I thrown

that I woke up fully clothed on my bed yeah yeah yeah we, we heard it all. I don't even remember saying that. Absolutely shit. Yeah, you sounded awful. You were like seriously parched. There was very little liquid in that hotel room. The fire alarm was going off. It was brilliant. I actually felt really good about my hangover in comparison to yours.

I'm glad I could bring that to you. You did that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that. that that to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to you to to you were to to you to you to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to you to you to you to you to you to you to you to you to you to you to you to you to you to you to you were to you were to you were to you were to you were to you were to you were to you were to you. I the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the to. toooooo. I to. to. to. to. to to to to to to it. You did. Your USP Josh is making people feel better about their lives, which is terrible for you. You do it so well, it comes so naturally. Let's hope I never find happiness. The whole country will be in trouble. How many kids have you got for uninitiated? What's the kid set up? Wow, I cover all areas here, the full spectrum. So we go, we'll start with my stepson, who's 20. He's a man, actual man. Actual 6 foot 3 man. Oh wow. Yeah, that's a whole thing.

And then Lola, my stepdaughter, who's 17. Then we go down to Rex, my son, who's 9. And then my daughter, who's 7. So we've got a whole cross-section going. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.. th. to. to to that. to to that. to to to that. to that. to to that. that. th. th. to th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. Well, th. Well, th. Well, th. Well, th. Well, th. Well, th. Well, th. Well, th. Well, th. Well, th. to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to toee. toe. toe. toe. to to to to to the. We th's nine, and then my daughter who's seven. So we've got a whole cross-section going on. So how old were your stepkids when you first sort of met them and entered their lives? So you've seen them from being little and now he is just a massive bloke? Yeah, yeah, like that's the crazy thing, like especially with Lola, she was this tiny, cute little blonde five-year-old, adorable, and now she's towers over me, can't fit in my shoe, she's like a woman. It's just the whole thing is mad. Oh wow. And do you, yeah. When you've got a 20-year-old step-son, are you still, the step-mo- you now kind of almost just a kind of a mate?

Do you know what I mean? I'm not cool enough to be a mate. I mean, they're still that sort of thing. No. When it's your kids or step-kids, you can't impress them, it is impossible. So I am just some sort of... You must be a cool mom for sure. No, no.

I'm absolutely, like the rule stands for everyone. I am just an embarrassment and I can't impress them. I try and impress my stepkids. I'm like, would this be a cool thing to admit that I've interviewed this person, not literally not interested. So no, I'm definitely not in mate territory. I'm still tragic step-mom really trying to be cool. But also I'm writing this honor that their granddad is one of the coolest men in the world right? Yeah they do think he's cool but he's like next level cool so that's yeah that's a different Ronnie Ridge from Rolling Stones oh yes Ronnie Wood so your so however ed your stories

about going for a few drinks with your mates are I touch the sides he can quite literally trump any story that I tell Does he do normal granddad things or is he not is it sort of a different kind of role I mean he's got this is the other our family is quite intense so So he's got five-year-old twins. So my, my husband, who's 46, has got five-year-old sisters, and Arthur, who's 20, has got aunties that are five. Wow, oh my god, it's like Game of Thrones. It's like Game of Thrones. It's like Game of Thrones. It's quite extraordinary. So so yeah there's a

lot to get your head around I should say oh there is really good there it is come on I'll tap out now jump she crook on a bit and that'll do me for the day do the I do the step kids help with the with the younger kids let's we're doing an honest podcast Lola does L No, Lola does. Lola is really good. Arthur is in his last year of uni at Newcastle. He's having the time of his life, looking after his small siblings is not on the agenda.

He's not high on the priority list. But Lola is very helpful. She'll babysit for us occasionally. And she is just a very helpful person. So, yes yes one of them does but I you know I'm not dissing Arthur live on a podcast I know Arthur is an amazing amazing young man I love him he's just got other things on his agenda right now when I was 20 there was no way I'd have

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Like some days when you're not tired, you feel like, yeah, I can't cope with the emotional hurdles here. And then other days you just think, I'm looking at it. I'm looking at it. I'm looking at it. I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I think, you know, the worst is yet to come probably. Well, that's a nice way of looking at it. And that must be weird because you've kind of lived those teenage years once, so you kind of know what you've got coming up, right? Yeah, but you know what, my stepkids navigated teen-hood really brilliantly. There weren't many huge problems and there wasn't that much attitude, like obviously just the usual dose, but nothing extreme. So I think I got off quite lightly

with Arthur and Lola. That's good. So you're about to get your come-upants? Yeah, they've always sort of, we've never had a set thing, they've just sort of come and gone whenever. It's always been quite a loose arrangement. So we've had them for two days, we've had them for two months. You know, it's been quite sort of, oh, we'll have them for this period and then, you know, obviously I was at uni now. And then Lola's 17, so she's just sort, she's been with us this last week, which has been really lovely. But yeah, it's now they're that bit older it's more they've got I guess a bit more autonomy so they hang out with us when they want to versus when they were tiny it was a lot more about

he was practically doing what yeah yeah but the lovely thing is and I'm so grateful for this all four kids get on so well and there's no half sibling about it they're just siblings and that's been you know I think really important for me and Jesse is that they all feel like like they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're th th th thi thi they're they're thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th they're they're thi th th thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi th and that's been, you know, I think really important for me and Jesse is that they all feel like they're just siblings and it's just one big chaotic family and everyone's adjusted over the years really well to all the changes and they just all get on. That's so good isn't it? Yeah. That is, that is nice. I think that the idea of, because because when like to go on holiday holiday the the to the to the to the to to to the to to the the holiday on holiday on holiday on holiday on holiday on holiday on holiday on holiday on holiday on holiday on holiday on holiday on holiday on holiday on holiday the the the to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the the to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to be to be to be to be to be to be their their their their their their their their they and they and they. I they. I, they. I, they. I, they. I, they. I, they. they. they. they. they. they. th. th. thi. thi. the. thi. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. to. th. their, their, that is nice. I think that the idea of, because when, like, to go on holiday with all four of them, was there a point when you thought Arthur's going to dap out of this? Because

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navigate and it's something I've talked to Jesse a lot about and he's always been like no you know treat them the same as Rex and Honey but I've definitely found that quite hard quite quite a tricky concept. Yeah have you ever have try yourself up by trying to be too friendly and like I'll get you this you know sort of try try try try th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th you th you thry to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they the they they they they they they they they they they. I try try try try try try try try try to to to to to to to to to to to to to to they they they trying to be too friendly and like I'll get you this you know sort of trying to like bribe them and win them over. Oh yeah of course I have absolutely absolutely yeah there was a lot of that in the early days. Buy your way in. Also because it was an absolute novelty like when I first met Jesse I'd never dated anyone with kids before so I was like oh my god this is so fun this is just we're gonna to go like to giraffe for to to the to to the giraffe for to to the giraffe for to to to the giraffe for to to the the to to the to the to to the the to the to to the the the to to the to to to the to the to to the the the the to to to to to to to to to their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their. their. their. their. their. their. I I I I their. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm oh my God, this is so fun. This is just we're going to go to giraffe for lunch and go bowling. And you know, I've never done all that stuff before.

I've been like on the piss for 10 years consistently. So that was a real novelty. And I think then, you know, as it that gets very real and you're like, oh my god, I actually am responsible for these children for a certain portion of the year and also I need to sort of be here to help guide them if they need me in life I think that's where you start to go oh okay this isn't just a novelty this isn't just sort of me taking them to giraffe for lunch there's actually there's like a lot there's more to there's more to there's more to apparently the the giraffe the there's more apparently the the the the podcast, Anne Schreiber. Hello, thanks for having me, guys. We are very excited to have you, Dan.

Well, I've not seen you for ages. We've gigged together years ago, and then you've gone on to massive success. We've no such things of fish, podcast. Do you still do stand-up, Dan? No, I haven't done it. I do it as part of the podcast because we do we do live shows and we have a first half, so I sort of put a bit together for that. But you and I, we were actually flatmates in Edinburgh many years ago for about a week period. It was like a week. Where was that? Which one was that? Could I just say? I've never been more pleased. The cameras are on? Because I've the the thou. I th. I th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. What th. What th. What th. What th. What th. What th. What th. What th. What th. What th. What th. What th. What th. What th. What th. What th. What th. What th. What th. What th. What th. What th. What th. What th. What th. What? th. What th. What th. What th. What th. What th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. to to to to to to to to to the. to to to to to to the. to to the. to the. the. the. th. th. th's confused face at that point and blow my mind. How do I not know you was my flat mate? Fuck! Was it that Hills Jay goes flat? No, no, I was staying with Eric Lampere and Reese James and Lloyd Griffith and you came and you just crashed on our floor for a week. Yes, I remember that, yeah, so... Do you? Do you? I do now, but basically Lloyd was up there, staying with you and Reese, but I remember, and th, and th, and how, and I, and I, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how th, how th, how th, how th, how th, how th, how th th, how th th, how th, how th, how th, how th, how th, how th, how th, how th, how th, how th, how th, how th th th th th th the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the, how the, how the, how the, how the, how the, how they, how they, how they, how they, how they, how they, how th. How thi, how that, how that, how that, how that, how that, how that, how that, how that, how thee, how thee, how the, do you? I do now, but basically Lloyd was up there and staying with you and Reese,

but I remember I just slept on Lloyd's floor for five nights, but I was pissed for five days, because I didn't do a gig, I just came up on a jolly. And I remember now, I was seeing you sort of in the kitchen. Did I give you any money for that? No, I don about this house. There was, I remember coming home one day, I think this was in the period when you were staying with us, where I went to the bathroom, and not by the bathroom, there was a sort of like hand towel bit just by the sink where you can, you know, wipe your hands.

I was looking at it one day and it was just smeared in shit. out someone who wiped their ass on it but then just put it back. I blame Lloyd. That is unbelievable. Sorry I need to apologize because... Well because of the towel? No, so I think the problem me and Lloyd ad in the world of comedy was we're not geysers in our world of Grimsby in South East London with up the lovey-dovey so we sort of assuming that we aren't being that badly behaved but then I think actually we were th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the th. th. th. th. th. thi. the the thi. I'm thi. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I's their toe. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm the. I'm to to to to to to to to to toe. toe. toea. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. to. to. I'll to. I but then I think actually we were awful. Well I'm sorry but if in Grimsby wiping your ass on a towel and putting it back is the lovey-dovey world. They save the towel for best in Grimsby. Anyway it's great to see you again after showing a fact that I forgot about for five nights. Is it flatmates if it's five nights so? I think so. Well if I meet someone I tend to say they're friends like Josh I've only bumped into you twice and I'll say my friend Josh like I just yeah I just do that. Why not why not? The fact you

know you've bumped into me two-you've got. I mean encyclopedic knowledge of when you met people Robbed you're theycroped I mean, incycloped. So Dan, can you introduce us to your, how many children have you got? Let's get this out first and foremost before we crack on. I have three kids and I heard my third kid 12 days ago. Oh, yeah. Oh, what? Oh, what? Yeah. That's good to know because when you've got two you sort of think, well, we're so good at it now. What's another one? Yeah. Yeah, the that I forgot is just come back, the sleepless nights that I thought, God, were they this bad last time? And I spoke to a friend and they said, yeah, you were this out of it the other time as well. Oh my God. It just doesn't get easier. But now you've got two little ones to deal with as well at the same and their sleep, and the the the the the the the their their their their their their tod, and tod, and tod, and tod, and tod, and tod, and tod, and th, and th, and th, and th, and that, and tho, and that, and I's, and I'm, and I'm tho, and I'm tho, and I'm tho, and I've tho, and I was, and I was, and I was, and I was, and I was, and I was, and I was, and I was, and I, and I I, and I I, and I I I, and, and I I I I I I, and, and, and, and, and, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, to, that, that, that, that, that, oh, oh, that, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, that, oh, oh, oh, that, that, oh, taught me through the last 12 hours of your life from 11 p.m. last night to now. You're sure there's not just shit on your towel and you're thinking it's to come the flat? Okay, so the first thing I forgot happens is that you dread the night in a way where the lack of sleep becomes so great that when you first wake up for the first feed and it's something like 2 a.m. You. You. th.'s 2 a.m. At least we're a bit into the evening. Last night was the horror of

waking up and discovering it was 1030 p.m. and already feeling that good and being like fuck and so yeah it was a long one last night and then we've got two kids who still come into our bed all the time and so we're dealing with this kind of jigsaw piece a th. and the th. th. th. th. the th. th. I I I I I I I I the th. I th. the th. th. th. th. th. th. the th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the th. to to to the to the the the to the the to the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. I I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I theat. I theat. theat. teat. tod. today. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the the. I's. the time and so we're dealing with this kind of jigsaw piece of how do we because we have kit my new son in the bed next to us some my latest son one my new EP money draw is it is a right you're promoting him on this yeah that's what you're belonging I've got this new son kit yeah I've got this new some kid yeah I mean the reason we tried for a third kid is because we wanted a little girl. We thought that'd be really nice. Oh, that's good for him to hear in a few years, isn't it? Yeah, I hope he comes back to these shows and understands how loved he is.

It's quite funny actually because we went and we got a private scan to see if that we'd had kids before and so she did this big thing where it was a big reveal with like lights the whole room went blue and I know it was like a real kind of like 4D experience but she would it's a boy and both me and Fidela just went oh fuck we just she was yeah so confused you go for a fourth then, continue the hunt for... No! Well, give it a couple of years. Chase it down. I know, because we'll forget, you're right, we will forget and then just go again, and then have another boy. But you're so positive and relaxed Dan. Because like, yeah, we've met, obviously we're flatmates,

obviously that goes without saying that we were flatmates. Get out now a flatmate. Obviously that goes without saying. That goes without saying that we're flatmate. Get out of that we're flatmate. The old shitsmere sisters, you know, me, Beckett and Shribe. Oh, Ches, Beckett and Shriver. Back on the sofa again. But whenever I come away from gigging with you, I'm like, I feel happier now because I've been in the company of Dan Shribber. So how are you still still this jolly this jolly this jolly this jolly this jolly th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th th th th th th th th th th th that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. their. their. their. their. the old. the old. the old. the old. the old. the old. the old. the old. the old. the old. the old. the old. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. to. to. to. th to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. the th the th the the the the-day old son? Yeah, no I guess that's just my way of being really, I'm fairly happy. I really related when I've been reading and listening in the sort of like I'll listen to a chapter and then go back and read bits of your book Parenting Hell and there's so much I relate to particularly the chapters with both your wives talking about the relationship the relationship have with your kids versus the relationship within the family household. It's exactly the same

thing. That makes me worried for you Dan. Yeah, well, but I know where you're at so I'm there. That's the same. We're all under shit. So let's rejoin you, it's 1030 p.m. Yeah. You've just woken up for the first time. to the try to to the the tooke the the tooke the the tooke the the to the the to the to to the the to to to to to the to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the to the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. the the the the the the. the the the the the the the. the the the the the the. the the the. the the. thea. tooooooooo' too' tootake to get back to sleep? So first was because we're bottle feeding my son because we had the most chaotic of mastitis cases my wife had in our first child. Well that's brutal mastitis. Yeah man like she has it to a level where doctors are like I've never heard it this bad whenever we talk about it and midwives it ended up in surgery. Oh oh! She had an abscess that formed in her breast had to be taken out. It was horrific. Can I do a quick ignorant bloke thing here? What's my status? Is that something to do with the nipple and breastfeeding? Yeah, right. It's the milk ducks they get clogged up and it's breastfeeding and it can happen with multiple things,

but yeah it's when breastfeeding turns into a night. Absolutely. Yeah, so we bottle feed now. So the first thing at 10.30 is the negotiation who's doing the feed to begin with. And that's a quick negotiation because I lose. I have to do it. Actually, Vanilla will do the sort of like 2 a.m. and the 4 a.m. ones yeah the QI guys? Yeah, this is, yeah. I can't wait to get you on.

But that's kind of what it is, right? There's not much story to tell. You just get up, you feed and you get back into bed. And he's really kind of the burping. I thought I've nailed how to do that, but it's just, they've each got their own ways. Fuck burping. Yeah, man. It's impossible. I just don't believe it's possible. And anyone that can do it is just flu, they were just gonna burp anyway, you've just fluked it. I just, I just don't believe it. I think it's a lie. I think it's a lie.. This is the hill I'm going to die on. I just can't do it. Can you do it? No, I sort of, they looked uncomfortable. So you sort of

like lean them on your hand and then rub their back. And I had sort of agreed. I was like, I more did it to show Lou that I was trying. Yeah, exactly. I was like, to do that as an adult to burp. No. And they're just little adults, isn't they? To a point. Yeah, okay. Every child's a little adult, right? Do you find, though, Dan, because obviously it's your third, like, when you say it's quite, obviously it's labor intensive getting up in the night and you're tired, but it's quite easy, but then do you think that's just that's just because it's just because it's just because it's just because it's just because it's just because it's just because it's just because it's just because it's just because it's just because it's just because it's just because it's just because it's just because it's just because it's just because it's just because it's just because it's just because it's just because it's just because it's just because it's just because it's just because it's just because, it's just because, it's just because, it's just, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, it, because you're more relaxed, because you've had two already.

Yeah, I'm way more relaxed this time. The first two, I was convinced that he would stop breathing in the middle of the night, so I found it impossible to go asleep. We'd have to check him every two seconds. I've lost that bit to an extent tiny little vulnerable child and he came three weeks early this one so he's tiny. My whole thing is it once they get to that size where they feel unbreakable then you can relax a bit but when they're still floppy it's it's just nerve-wrack. Yeah I like a baby sort of tiger loaf size. You know that tiger break just that sort of like a than like a little sort of floppy underbaked tiny French dick.

I like this. Sort of like bulky and solid. Then I can relax a bit more. Yeah, agreed. Welcome to the podcast. Omid you lily. Very excited. Omid, children.

Talk to me. How old are they? I have three children and they are all in their 20s. Oh, all grown up. Yeah, they're older now. Does that feel like you're, is it out the woods is the right word to use? Do you feel like each day you're still a parent? You know, is it playing on your mind as much as it does? He's out the woods.

It started a logging company. His defore. comics when you have children. And I became like a paid comic when my daughter, my first child's daughter when she was about two and a half, around 1997, 98, and then I had two more kids. So I had three kids by 2000. So I was doing zonglers, I was doing all those gigs. And comics usually talk about their children. Like as you grow with that comic, they talk about my children now three, four, then you realize comics to it because their children are a tax

deductible commodities. We're happy to do that because it saves us some money because it's part of our you know part of our job and our material but it is very difficult I think we should talk about that because how old are your kids now? Five and seven. okay so five and seven Rob and Josh two and five okay all right so look this is when I was starting out it's very very difficult and I had so many experiences of coming home late looking up early yeah actually that's not good for you I mean I remember there was a journey I came back from Liverpool and I had to drive home from Liverpool because there was something I had toto do at the school and I had to pick up my kid. You know

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just tired. And actually, to give the police credit, they said, follow us, we're going to take you to a service station. We want you to sleep. Yeah. To sleep. And then I slept, and unfortunately I slept until the thap. thap. thap. thap. thap. thap. thap thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. the the the the the the the the the the the the their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their thi. So thi. So ti. So ti. So. tie, tie, tie, breathes. tiea. tie, tie, ti, ti, ti, thi, thi. So thi dad, to have a family, and if you're going to have a family, you want to be a good dad, you want to raise your kids well. It is really taxing on the body. So I remember I actually developed this problem called sleep apnea. Sleep apnea will have to sleep with a mask on, and of course the kids would think it was funny. my young son age five would come in as I'm waking up and he'd lift the mask off my face and of

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Who taught you? Did you mom teach you that? Who taught you the word disgrace? So one thing people don't get is actually, it is physically taxing. taxing, but I'm very proud that actually if you put the time in, my kids in their 20s and they're all actually doing quite well and I like all three of them now. So actually it is a balance in life. Life is always a balance about your quality of life, your career, your family life. And if one of them drops, all three of them drop.

So I'm very proud and happy that I did spend a bit of time my kids because I actually like them. I actually like my kids. That's a weird thing in their 20s. You're both adults, right? It's quite a good way of putting, I like them, it's because obviously you then have a relationship with them where they're on a kind of level with you. You're not like, oh, they're going to thrown these people? And they're going to overtake us and be in charge of us. They're much better. They're already way, way ahead of us. And I have to tell you that on the one hand, I have a daughter and two boys, and the two boys are now, as they were growing up, I I mean, I used to have hair and I used to be thinner. And so they look at me and they're thinking,

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And we won't bring our friends to see you and we're not really proud of you and you just look like. Oh no. How old were they at this point? They're in their mid-teens? They're old enough. Oh, that's never. They. They're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're. they're. they're they're they're. they're. they're in. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. th. th. th. th. th. th. t. t. tod. tod. th. th. th. th. th. th. do you know what, I brought up with them now and they stand by their comments. It's interesting. So was it the, in general your stuff or was it more that like, and I wanted to speak about this as well, as like as you get older, you know, everyone's views and stuff get a bit, thate of it be things like that where you might use a turn of phrase that is fine but actually a little bit that's not what you use anymore or was it just the material and the performance in general because yes I think that's what your kids can help you with. And they do yeah

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I didn't know about this I did we didn't know about this they were a bit upset they were a bit upset they were a bit upset because they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they were they they were they were they were they were they were they were they were they were they were they were they were they were they were they were they were they were they were they were they were they were they were a they were a they were they were a they were a they were they were they were they were they were they were they were they were they were they were they were they were they were they were they were they were they were they were they were they were they were they were they were they were they were they were they were they were they were they were they were they were they were they were they were they were they were they were they were they were they were they were they were they were a they were a they were a they were a they were a they were a they were a they were a they were a they were a they were a they were a they were a they were a they were a they were a they were a they were a they were a they were a they always want to get in the top ten they can't get there so I don't think they were happy with it but there you go. First things first could you you know when Sonia was was she playing the saxophone? Trumpet Josh. Trumpet say Josh do you play it? Do you research? Lewis a favor. No no just surely the first question should be how many kids you got what age? No let's not their s' their their. their. their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their is their is their is their is their is their is their is their is their is their is their their is their. their. their. their their. their. their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their the This is not okay. I know but what was he like? He was lovely it was a girl actually and the doctor's name was Zenna and she was a delight. There we go. Right, how many kids you got? Two. I've got two girls. Josh if you want to do well-ar chat let's save it when we get Dine Gaffney on. Okay, right. to do trumpet fair enough Martin violence on you we'll get on to that later but come and save you well-on stuff for Gaffney do you do you do you do you? All the time yeah it's fantastic I love Gaffney he's always a always flying around the world I don't know how he does it he's got friends in high places and he just makes me die it makes me laugh he's a funny bloke we've

got to get gaffers on well listen I'm not sitting here talking about Dean if you don't run talk about your kids how old are your kids darling so Joni so jony is six yeah johnie is six yeah to the theyreys to the theyre theyn is 12th is the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the to to to to to to to to to they. the to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the they. they. they. I they. I they. I they. I the the the the the the the the the they. I they. I they. I the the the the the two. Yeah I've been speaking to a lot of people that have got kids that are like sort of pre-teenage ten-to twelve and it is it feels intense. It's a phrase tweenage when they're like teenagers early. Is that the phrase, but I'm not having any of it. Eliza is already a teenager. Is she? Right, okay. It's crazy stuff. I tell you, I promise you once once, once, once, once, once, once, once, the the the the th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the th. I'm, I'm the the the the the the the the the th. I've, I've, I've, I've, I've th. I'm th. I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've th. I've th. I've th. I've th. I've, I've, I've th. I've, I've, I've, I've, I've th. I've. I've. I've. I've. I've. I've. I've. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm th. I'm the the th. I'm the th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm the. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm the. I'm th. I'm th. I'm teenager. Is she? Right, okay. It's crazy stuff. It's I tell you, I promise you, once she started playing the trumpet. She's not playing the trumpet. Please, Josh. Josh. It's actually been a bit of a prick, I think that is. Oh, come on now. I'm just so excited.

I'm so excited. I'm so excited this is finally happening. When your kids are in year six right, right? primary school, and they're going on their leavers tour and you think, aren't they grown up, right? They have the summer holiday and they're going to year seven. They're like different human, they just get out of bed one day after a week of being at secondary school and they're completely different human beings. Really? Oh my God. Because of the responsibility they have, she's got her laptop, she's emailing teachers. It's crazy. And my daughter, my daughter didn't have a phone until about two, three months ago. So she went into year seven without a phone and she did a couple of terms

without it. That was quite hard because every single person had one apart from her. But now she's got her phone and it's crazy stuff. Oh my, what are your, have you got to have phone rules? Like, is it... Oh, massive ones. She's got no social media. She's got be real, which is the one when you just take one photo a day, I'm fine with that.

But she's not allowed Snapchat. She's not allowed Instagram. She's not allowed any of that She has WhatsApp to talk to her friends and the phone remains downstairs on charge When she goes to bed and stuff. She's good with it. Yeah, but she's waited so long. She's like anything will do Oh God. Oh God, I'm so scared about it all. Did you just don't give in? That's all I don't care about what anyone says that at 10 there were kids. I'm? Oh? Oh? Oh, oh, I I I I I I the kids. Oh, I I I the kids. I I I I I the kids. I I'm not. I'm not. I'm not their. I'm not th. I'm not th. I'm not th. I'm not th. I'm not to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to their their their th. th. tol. the the the the the the the the to to to to to to to to to to to to to. That's all I say to you. I don't care what anyone says at 10, there were kids in... I'm not being funny at the primary school. My six-year there's a couple of kids with phones. There's seven. Seven. Yeah. Seven. Bloody how. And I just was I'm not following any, I don't care what anyone says you can hate me. You are not having a phone until I feel that it's needed. Do you know what what what their their. Do their. Do their. Do. Do. Do. Do. Do. Do. Do. Do. Do. Do. Do. Do. Do. Do. Do. I their. I their. I their. I their. I'm not, their, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I, I'm, I, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I'm not, I, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, their, their, their, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. their, their, their, I'm not, I'm not, you are not having a phone until I feel that it's needed. Yeah, do you know what, because someone, our friends have had their daughter's eight and they've got like an iPod touch thing, which the girl's up and that means they can message the mom and dad and take photos and stuff like that, but you can still get all the apps on it. So in a way, like, actually ringing someone's the least, the least, is is is the least, is the least, is the least, is the least, is the least, is the least, is the least, is the least, is the least, is the least, is the least, is the least, is the least, is the least, is the least, the least, the least, the least, the least, their. their. their. their. their. their, is. their. their. their. their. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. t. t. t. t. t. t. th.. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I.they can have access to the... We were talking about messages. I've just got a message off my wife. This is a live bit of parenting and marriage. If the doorbell she's out, if the doorbell goes,

answer it as it could be your socks. Isn't that a low moment? So I'm going to have to leave the interview if the doorbell goes. I do you Natalie. Carry-up. No problem. What socks are they? I've ordered some sports socks. Do you have to have weird ones because of your feet? I haven't got weird feet. I haven't got weird feet, right? People have specialist things for different parts of their body. Why would I have a special, I haven't got a special,

because of the hair, they're not normal, Judge, they like to have big hobbit ones. No, I've got really bad feet as well, so it's fine. Have you? No, no, not as well. I haven't got bad feet. No, I've got the feet back here. You've got disgusting feet, that's correct. So it's fine. You sound like to me, you don't take any or did that come at the age of, fuck, right, this is now phones, this is now serious, or were you like no chocolate? No, I've always, but no, it's everything in moderation, isn't it? I've seen, I've had children around before.

Yeah. And if they haven't got a sweet drawer or a crisp drawer, they come in here and they're like animals. Yeah. They just they just they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're th. I then. I' think. I'm th. I'm th. I'm thathea. I'm thathea. I'm th. I'm th. th. th. th. th. th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I'm th. I'm th. th. th. th. th. th. th. there. there. there. thereee. thoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooe. th. th. th They just want to eat everything they want because they have never got it. Where there's mine they take it I leave it. We've got the draw. They're not in there all the time. I think everything in moderation is good. My little journey is, she's quite feral. She's sort of always got her hair in her face and yeah. She's you know when it's really hot you're like darling. She don's get some cream out yeah she don't care she's just wanders about and she's quite a free spirit Eliza's completely opposite she was the one we've you know I had to cut all the labels out she hated scenes in the

socks she was very she's always been very particular so they're completely different children but Eliza now I feel as they get older you have to pick your battles you can't you can't the the the the the the th you th you th you th th th th th th th th th th th th th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the the the the the the the the their their their their their th. their th. th. th. th. th. th. the th. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the their their their their th. th. th. th. th. th. the. the. I's the. I's the. I's just just just just just the. I's theeea. I's just just just just just theeea. I's just just just just thea's the. the. I feel as they get older you have to pick your battles you can't you can't get annoyed over things that perhaps you would do with the younger ones because you've got bigger battle big bigger fish to fry. It's harder because you like when they're in school if you go no we're not doing that they literally come back and go it's almost like interviewing a politician where they go well so and you's so is doing it and someone's doing it. And you're like, well, and then, you know... But with that, I just say, I don't care. I'm not interested in what other people are doing. Why are you talking to me about that?

That's a good way I did it, because I want to go, well, I tell you what, their mom and dad said Rob. You're not wrong. You're not wrong. Well, the little known facts about your friend, I hate their parents and I've put up them for 13 years at this school and I don't need to be told about what they do. Because you know what, I fundamentally disagree with everything they do. Or you could just go, I don't care. It's probably a bit of a better way to. Do you think do you think Carol Jackson was a good mom? She was a great mom on screen a great man Josh yeah she wasn't my

real mom you do know no no I'm pretty aware of that. Josh feels Josh is treating this interview like he's sort of confused about between fiction and reality and just totally overwhelmed. I'm extremely shocked that Josh has even seen it. Do you know what I mean? He's not that kind of I loved it in the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I'm. I'm. I th. I th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. t. t. t. t. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. Josh has even seen it. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, he's not that kind of guy, is he? I loved it in the 90s. Did you? Yeah, I absolutely, the bit where I think it was slightly before your time, but the bit where Grant Mitchell finds out the Phil's been sleeping with Sharon. Oh, well, a voice recorder. Oh, yes. Inject it into my veins. It's so good that episode. I would say East Enders, when it was in its peak around that time, was so much better. Still good, Rob, it's still in his peak, don't you know, it's still good, but at that point that was when it was, when you were in it when you were young and that, the pregnancy

stuff and all that kind of stuff, it still like, you know beyond soap, it just felt like something everyone was watching and everyone spoke of that. I tell you something, obviously in October I've been there for 30 years, right? Wow, Jesus Christ. I mean I had a break and stuff but I've been affiliated with it for that long and all those times like you say was sort of the golden ages and we've had peaks and trot as every show does but I have to say that we've just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just the the morale... the morale. the morale. the morale. the morale. the morale. the morale. the morale. their. their. their. their. to to their. I'm to say. their. I'm their. I'm to. I'm to. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I've. I've. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's.. I's. I's. I. I... I. I's... I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I's. I. I. the. the. the. the. the. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. does, but I have to say that we've just won the soap award. Congratulations.

Past the morale, like everyone at work, it's an amazing, at the moment, I feel like all the stories are really good. It's building up. Yeah, it's becoming golden again. It's really, really good. It's a lovely place to be. Being in East Enders, and how, like, whether you'd the feel about your children acting because you were seven right when you were first appeared in Eastenders 10. I tell you something your Wikipedia is shit. He's falling apart I knew about that Natalie don't worry about that. Oh fuck off Rob. So you were 10 so your daughter is basically would have already been in East Enders two years. Yeah, yeah. And have they expressed any interest in child acting? They both enjoy it and Eliza, actually, my eldest has done, she just played trunch ball in her school production. Oh wow.

And she was brilliant. She's really good at it. So I wouldn't mind her doing it, but to be honest, it's all very well, but auditions come for it on my phone. th. And I th. th. th. th. to to to to to be to be to be th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. to be th. thia thia' thiole. thiolorea' thiol-a' th. thi. thiol-a' thi. thi. thi. their their their their their their their their their their their, their, their, th. th. th. And, th. And, th. th. th. th. th. thiia. thia. thia. thia. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thia'a'a'a'a'ea'ea'ea'a'ea'ea'ea'ea'ea'through on my phone and I'm like that's too much time off school and I just ignore it so I've said yes I've said yes but I'm not sure it'll ever come to anything so I'd have to see but I do want to go to school I missed a lot of school yeah how much as I love come well I loved my job yeah but you from 10 to 13 13 the rules the to 13 the th th th th th th th th th th to th to th th th th to to th to th th to to th th th to to th th to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the the the the the the the the the to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the 10 to 13, the rules were 40 days off a year. From 13 to 16, you could have 80 days off a year. And then 16 onward, it was a job.

So I was kind of there doing really well and I just carried it on, which is amazing. I'm very lucky. I've had a brilliant life, but I've missed out on a lot of learning. Which I think I'll probably do at a later stage because I do love learning. So I want my kids to enjoy learning and go to school and get good grades and I do want them to do that because I didn't. Also as well, you've got, there's plenty of time in life for them to become actors where you only get this time once and I think it helps you develop as a person. I mean it must be really difficult for you as well, with social media now for your kids and I don't have that like you were like so famous in this country like a young age and that must be quite difficult because it's not you know what the press is like especially back then you know

20 30 years ago come way more brutal how did that make you a stronger personal or do you find it difficult as it helped you like give them advice and stuff yeah I mean I have to that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to th to to to to to to to to to to to to th. th. to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the they. they. they. they. they. they. they. I they. I the the the the the the the the the the the the the the. I the the tolde. I to to to the. I the and stuff? Yeah, I mean, I have to be honest with you. I just think I've been very lucky. I've got a very thick skin and I've grown up with a family that is so normal. Do you know what I mean? There was no, oh isn't it marvelous that you want to tell you? Like, there was none of that at all. Which for me, I just went to work and it's always just been to work to work to work to work to work to work to work and it's always just to work, and it's always to work to work, and it's always to work to work, and it's always to work to work, to work to work to work, to work, to work, to work, to work, to work, to work, thi, and it's to work, to work, to work, and it's always just been my job. So I think going into it at 10 is actually better than getting a soap op per se, at 17, because you kind of want it and you get the ego and you get, not saying everyone does, but do you know what I mean?

So for me, I grew up with it, it's like being recognized. People say everyone's like, you go out and what's it like, and I said, I don't remember not doing that. You've been famous longer than you've been alive. So it's just, it's what it is, isn't it? Not longer you've been alive, but longer than you've not famous. Sorry. I was thinking Rob, fucking out of me.

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