Parenting Hell with Rob Beckett and Josh Widdicombe - S01 EP5: Kerry Godliman

Episode Date: May 12, 2020

ROB BECKETT & JOSH WIDDICOMBE'S 'LOCKDOWN PARENTING HELL' - S01 EP5: Kerry GodlimanJoining us in the studio this episode to discuss the highs and lows of parenting (and life) during the lock down and beyond is the amazing comedian and actress, Kerry Godliman. (WARNING: Contains spontaneous potty training and teenage arguments)Enjoy. Rate and Review. Thanks. xxx If you want to get in touch with the show here's how:EMAIL: [e-mail]: @lockdownparent A 'Keep It Light Media' Production  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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better about my increasingly terrible parenting skills, each episode will be chatting to a famous parent about how well they're coping. Or hopefully not. And we will be hearing from you the listener with your tales of lockdown parenting woe. Because let's be honest, none of us know what we're doing. Hello and welcome to lockdown parenting hell with me Rob Beckett and... Hello, I'm Josh Wilicum. How are you? Oh, that was very, you sounded quite statesman like there. Yeah well bloody well someone's got to in this country am I right? I was like your hype man I'm your spin doctor and then you bring home some really harsh home truths too right how are you Rob yeah yeah not too bad morale's a morale's a bit better actually this week yeah that's a shame for For us and the listeners. We've just lost half our listenership.

Well, the potty trading situation is, excuse the pun, loggerheads. Don't excuse it, it's quite a good one, actually. No, no, no, right. Yeah, forget I said that. Basically, pride once in the night, we got her up, she went and went to the toilet, went to the toilet, put her back into bed, woke up dry nappy, yeah? However, instant nicker poo. It's nicker poo 24-7, but we're making progress, so I'm sure we'll get there.

We'll get there. What will happen first? The pub's reopening. to your daughter having a non-shitty pair of knickers. That really is the big question. The thing is though, I was like, you know what? It's the perfect time to do it because if she does a quick poo in her knickers, it's so quick to change it and sort it out where imagine being in the park or in a shop or a restaurant and that happens. You've got to go home. I would argue the perfect time to do it is after lockdown when I'm sending my two-year-year-year-year-year-year-year-year-year-year-year-year-year-year-year-year-year-year-year-year-year-year- to-year-year-old-old-old-old-old-year-old-old-old-year-o-old-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-in-in--in-in-in-in-in-in to-in to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to-up to-up to-year-old. Dada, da, da, da, da, da. I tell what was funny though, the other morning was, they're so sweet and innocent kids and so like, everything's amazing to them where the two-year-old did a little wee, I went, you're

going for a wee, she went, yeah, I'm a little potter. And she's like they, I they, I thah tha, I tha, I tha, I tha, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I than, I than, I than, I'm than, I'm tha, I'm than, I went, I'm just, I'm just, I was today, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was tha, I was tha, I was tha, I was tha, I was tha, I'm tha, I'm just just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, today, I'm just just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm going, I'm just, I'm going, I'm going look down and went, it works. And I was like, yeah, that is good, isn't it? Imagine not being out of the piss all day. We take it for granted me, worried about I want to go to the pub. No, I don't matter. Every time I have a piss, I think it works. It's still worsen. It's still leaving me. It's still leaving me. I. I. I. I. that, I. that, I. that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. I. I, tha, tha, tha, thi, thi, thi, thi, imagine, imagine, imagine, imagine, imagine, imagine, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, th and I'm th and I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. th. I. th. I. th. I, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. I. I, th. I. thin. thin. thin. tha. ta. ta. ta. ta. ta. ta. ta. ta. ta. ta. ta. ta. ta. ta. ta. ta. ta, which is minor compared to shit, you know, I don't know if your daughters went through the stage of games where they're just like taking all the magnets off the fridge or loads of one thing and putting it elsewhere, that kind of thing. So then the game now is, we've got one of those kind of lanterns you put a candle in that you hang in the garden, you know those things and she's putting all of the cutlery in it. So in the morning she will

open the cutlery drawer and then put every piece of cutlery within one lantern and then take it out to the garden and I like I'm thinking well I can't stop her doing this because obviously she's learning she's doing her own thing. How are you got it all lowered because of your height? Yeah I've also got in our toilet I've got one one the the the the th th th th th th th th th th th th th th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. I th. I'll th. I'll the th. I'll the th. I'll th. I'll th. I'll the the the th. I'll the the the th. I'll the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. I'll the the the th. I'll the th. I'll th. I'll th. I'll th. I'll th. I'll th. I'll th. I'll th. I'll th. I'll th. I'll th. I'll th. I'll th. I'll th. I'll th. I'll the. I'll theeeat theateat. I'll theat. I'll theat. I'll theat theat the. I'll the. I our toilet, I've got one of those urinals from a primary school for myself. So she's doing it, but you don't want to stop her doing it because it's... No, because you feel like she's learning and she's doing good stuff and she's not watching Sarah and Duck. Do you know what I mean? So, that's it's mean? So now all of our cutlery, whenever we need to eat,

we have to go out to the garden and get it out of the lantern. Have you thought about putting, sort of have a secondary cutlery that you put there and she does that every day and then you've got other cutler hidden in a drawer My thought was be doing something similar where the other day they'll sort of mud all over the patio in the back garden. I mean what's happening here? And they went, oh, we've been growing potatoes and we've picked them today. I was like what?

Yeah. Basically they have pulled out, I'd say 30 daffodil bulbs. Oh, no. So all these daffodils that started a month ago, basically you have to cut them, cut the tops off and then they grow again next year. But as we've cut the top of it looks like they're sprouting like carrots or potatoes, so they've just been ripping them out of the ground and running around with potatoes. So I've got those are ripped up daffodils. That's the the the the the the the th. th. th. th. th. th. thii. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thiol-I. thops. thi. So, thi. thops. thops. thops. thops. thops. thops. You thops. So, you thops. Yeah, you thops. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I. They's. They's. I. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's th. I's th. I'm th. I've th. I've th. I've th. I've th. I've. I've th. I've. I've t. I've. I've t. I've t. I've t. I've t. I've ils. That's the thing though. Do you want discipline, that's the wrong word. Yeah, I waterboarded both of them to find out who would the instigator. And now they know. They're trying to help, do you know what I mean? So my daughter will help with the watering

of the garden. But she's drowning these plants. She's not giving them the right amounts. She's focusing on one and doing all. their. their. just like, do I write off this plant so that she feels like she's, you know, because she's, this is her equivalent of forest school at the moment. They're all they go, I picture a flower and then what they've done is ripped out the bulb of a plant and stop flower jet. So you just got this dead flower bolt. And you can't't tell them off because they go, but I did, I picked you a flat. But you want to go, no you haven't, you've ruined the flowers. This is basic stuff. You've got to learn.

Do you want, I tell you what, do you want it nice and pretty in the summer? Yeah, yeah, yeah, well, well, stop fucking a plant. thatthahaw, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, they. that, you, that, you, they. Yeah, they's, they's, they' they're, yeah, yeah, they're they're tha, tell, they. Yeah, I' they're to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the the the the to the the the the the the they. I I I I tha, do. I the tha, do. I tha. I tell, do. I tell, I tell, I tell. tell. tell. tell. tell. tell. tell you. tell you. tell you. tell you. tell you want. tell you want. tell you want. tell you want. tell you want. to tell you want.'s really difficult to get hold of gardening stuff at the moment because we're in lockdown. Yes, yeah, and then what happens? If there's some of the garden doesn't look very nice. Well, let me tell you a little story about why the garden doesn't look nice. Two months ago, two little idiots were ripping plants out.

Do you want some correspondence, right? Yes, please Josh. It's the lockdown parent email bag. But it's actually emails and there's no bag. So we were talking that just there about replacing stuff. So this is an email called the dangers of backup stuffed animals. Oh, yep. Gent, in a recent app you were discussing the idea of having a backup for your child's favourite toy, stroke blankets, stroke whatever, as insurance against the item being lost. I thought it might be fun to share with you my personal experience with that and how it

went horribly awry. My daughter Ivy is presently eight years old. When she was two, we got a stuffed ti, we got wea, we got the they, we got a they, we got a they, we got they, we got they, we got t, we got t, we got t, we got t, we got toy, we got toy, we got toy, we got toy, toy, toy, toy, to to, to toy, to their, their, to their, to their, their, their, their, their, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, toy, toy, toy, toy, toy, toy, toy, toy, toy, toy, toy, toy, toy, toy, toy, toy, toy, toy, toy, toy, toy, toy, toy, toy, toy, toy, toy, toy, tiger named Hungry Tiger that she loved very much. But it was small and she left him everywhere because she was two. Fray we'd lose him, my wife and I bought two more of the exact same toy and hid them in our room, presuming we could just substitute him. However, when she was three she found the backups. There were more hungry tigers. She was so excited. In a panic. I vented a story about them searching, s searching, s searching, s searching, s searching, s searching, s searching, s searching, s searching, s searching, s searching, their their their their their thii, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi. thooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooom. the, I rented a story about all the hungry tiger brothers used to live together. It's a long story about them searching for home and eventually getting separated until a wonderful little girl named Ivy found them and reunited them. What I did not realize was this toy was in mass production for the next three years. And I'd set a trap for myself where Ivy believed every one of them was separated from their brothers and it was her job to rescue them all.

She'd squeal every time we passed one in the store and of course we had to buy it because I convinced her that they were all long lost brothers. Friends and family found this hilarious and hungry tigers started showing up in the mail. There are now close to 100 hungry tigers in my house. Oh, what a photo! So much! We've got a photo for you. I'm going to send it over now. It's amazing. We'll stick it on the Twitter page. Here it comes. Look at the amount of hungry tigers there are there. There's just different type of tigers, like ones that sort of went on a gap year and come back tiger. Yeah, so there's like a, there's normal hungry tigers and then there's like snow leopardy ones.

Yeah. And then there's like big ones, small ones. It's absolutely astonishing the amount of hungry tiger. There's even a dog in there that looks brought a dog in a hungry tiger panic. Oh, that's amazing. The bottom row are their sisters, the thirsty tigers and the hungry tiger S's is. Center position in the second row, it looks not dissimilar from, you know, like those photos when a football team's got the full squad. Yes. Center position in the second row, the kind of goalkeeper position, is the Hungry Tiger number one who holds a position of honor. Wow!

The original! The original! The OG! For being, in quotes, the first friend. The yellow branch features a few lion's cousins, and their Antarctic home with the Hungry Tigers for a while during their journey. It's like a stuffed animal version of Joe Exotic, the Tiger King. That is incredible. Oh, it's so good, yeah. So there we go.

I wonder whether they've also, by dint of the fact they kept buying them. It's meant that they've kept being on sale because the sails are so good. So they're personally kind of tha thi thi thi thi thi their their their their their their they they their they they're they're their they're they're their their their they're their their their their their the sales are so good so they're personally kind of keeping their own nightmare going by purchasing all the hungry tigers themselves. If you have any stories of buying backups and it going wrong, this is how to get in touch. Email us Hello at lockdown parenting.co.U.K. Or we're on Twitter at lockdown parents. What does possible sound like for your business? It's having to spend to power your scale with no preset spending limit. Redefine possible with business platinum.

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Kerry Goddleyman, hello hello how are you? Hello Josh, I'm alright today in this moment. That's the attitude. Loving to see you, Kerry, we'll not see you, hear you. Oh, look, sorry to interrupt the podcast live, but my daughter has just done a weewee and her potty and I'm going to have to give some serious praise here. Can I give you tins a you 10 seconds? Well done! Did you know what you puttie? Well done, good girl. You're going to get to say sweeties?

Oh, it looks like Ju-Jew. Well done. Well done. Right. This is such a- I was going to say it's a humble brag, but it's not even humble. No, that, I can, honestly, this is all morning, this is, this is, this is, this is, this is, that I can honestly this is all morning my daughter has pissed all over the house like a dog.

Right? The potty training so far has been we've put nickers on we've put nickers on we've put nickers on her which she refused to have she kept on shouting I won a nappy I'm a baby we've got nickers on I've been giving a Harry Boat like a dog every time. to be a nice. She has pissed her nickers seven times this morning since 6 a.m. So I am buzzing right now guys I'm high on life. You know what I'm reverting because I've started pissing around the house now.

I mean I'm going run away. Oh sorry guys sorry about that that was that was such a thrill for me with the world as it is I bother the potty training at all. I was against the potty training, but my wife really wanted it to happen. However, today was a first date. It started from like a morning because you started yesterday day. So I've been up since our five just basically finding puddling. their today. that's been the thoomp-I. thoomp-I. thoomp-I. tho. tho. tho. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. the thi. their thi. thattyp-I. their their their their their their their their their pot pot pot pot pot pot pot pot pot pot pot pot pot pot pot pot pot pot pot pot pot pot pot. I. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I. I. I. I's. I. I. I. I's th. I. I. I. I's the the th. I's the the the th. thi. thi. t. tot. tote. tote. tha. tha. totty totty tha. totty totty tha. totty tha. tha. toda. today. tha my mourning, okay? So that was quite a big moment. Sorry, I didn't, I didn't, I didn't plan for that to be on there. Thanks, thanks. I just, I don't know anyone's moment. Just when it happened, I'd say that the problem issue is your presence.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, as soon as I you, okay? So, you know, it's not about me this episode, it's your episode, Kerry. Kerry, what's your situation? I've got two children, but they're well beyond pissing around the floor. They are ten and thirteen. So I have a different chapter to you two. Just as a poor warning when you get into the team years, I don't even know if she's in the house, I the house, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I don't even know if she's in the house. The only evidence I have is that the Christ are being eaten. Someone's eating the room. You're sure Gary Lillica don't live there?

I barely see her. She's in her room all the time, zooming her mates. It's really, it's totally different. It's like, I feel for the people like yourselves with really little ones, because they're with you all the time, but I have the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the people like yourselves with really little ones because they're with you all the time, but I have the opposite problem where I barely see her. I'm like, hey, do you want to come and watch a nan with an E with Mommy? No. I'm kind of find any opportunity to sort of bond with her where she's not interested really. So do you miss her being for? Yeah, I do. I am quite a crafty person. I mean, to be honest with the the the the the the the to be the to be the to be the to be the the the to be to be the the to be to be the to be the to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to watch to watch to be to be to be to be to be to watch to watch to watch to watch to watch to watch to watch to watch to watch to watch to watch to watch to watch to watch to watch to watch to watch to watch to watch to watch to watch to watch to watch to watch to watch the to watch the the the news. the news. the news the news the news. the news. the news. the news. the news. the news. the news. the news. the news. the the news, the the the the news, the the the the person, but I do the kind of doing like make it, I mean I should be honest with you, if I don't watch the news, I'm thoroughly enjoying this lockdown. I have seen it, there's sides of it where I've never been happier and I'm doing all little

projects and gardening and making. I made a rainbow collage on my own. And then put it in the window as if your children had made it. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh, they they they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're their they're they're they're they're they're their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their they they they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're their their th. I the. I're the. I don't theee. I don't the. I don't to be to the. I don't to be to be their their their if your children had made it. Nah. That sounds like the tis like you've got empty their nest already. They're only 13 and 10. Yeah, they've got other, my son's on his PS4, he wants to do that and he's got other things he wants to do. Whereas I'm like, come on, let's embroider together as a family. Oh my, I can't even imagine That's such a strange thing to hear when you're starting the midst of little ones in front of your face the whole time. Yeah, it's really different. I really miss sometimes when they were little. What do you think would be the best age to be locked down of the ones you've gone through? I think my son's age is a really nice age. He's 10. He'll do his schoolwork, like he's fairly's fairly thap's fairly thap's fairly thagh. He's fairly th. He's fairly th. He's fairly. He's fairly. He's fairly. He's fairly. He's fairly. He's fairly. He's fairly. He's fairly. He's fairly. He's fairly. He's fairly. He's fairly th. He's fairly th. He's fairly th. He's th. He's fairly thi. He's fairly th. He's th. He's th. He's th. He's th. He's th. He's th. He's th. He's th. He's th. He's th. He's th. He's th. He's th. He's th. He's th. He's th. He's th. He's th. He's th. He's th. He's th. He's th. He's the the th. He's th. He's the th. He's th. He's really really really thi. He's really thi. He's really thi. He's really really t thi. He's really really thi. He's really thi. He's really thi. He's really thi. He's thi, he's quite happy to get on with it. And then he goes on his PS4 and chats to his mates for a couple of hours

in the afternoon and I can just sort of ignore him. It's sort of like a nice balance where he's still like us and he's prepared to be with us but he's not a constant sort of when they're little. They just need you to the whole they just need you the whole time? They're the whole. They're the whole. They just. T. T. T. T. T. T. T. T. T. T. T is is the whole the whole the whole the whole the whole their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their thoooooooooooooooooooom. their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their like for the 13 year old the 10 year old you said he's sort of playing ball. I don't really have much to do with it she does it all herself online and it all goes through the school and I you know I have it's not she's not doing it Kerry. Yeah I've got a feeling that it's not going brilliantly but every time I try and get involved I have we end up having a row so I'm sort of like you know what if the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th to the to the th I th I to to to to to to to th I to to th I'm to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to th I th I th I th th th. th. th. th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I the. I the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the the the the the the tho tho the tho is an apocalypse, you'd be lucky to get a job with a quiveroo. So have you had any big bust-ups then with your teenager? Yeah, we've had loads of rouse, yeah.

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is saying to him, look, go to London, move to London and learn your trade there and then, and then, and then, and then, and when, as a person, right? And he went, oh shut up, Mum, what do you know about the music industry? You don't know anything about production and I just did that. Amira Wra was cracked up and like we're in the O2 arena that she's just sold out after moving from a small town to National to become this next start. It doesn't matter who you are. Kids will never, never listen to to know know know know to to know to know to know to know to know to know to know to know their to know their their to know their to know their to know their their to know their their to know to know to know their music their music their music their music their music their music their music their music their music their music their music their music their music their music their music their music their music their music their music their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their music. their music their music their music their music th. to know to know to to tho. to thoooooooooooooo. to th. thoooooooooo. their music. their music. their music. their music Nashville to become this next star. It doesn't matter who you are. Kids will never, never listen to their parents. Carrie, do you think your children are like proud of what you do? They don't think they like me much. No, I don't know. Yeah, I think so. I don't know about my daughter. I don't think, it's so hard to sort of navigate her 13 year old personality and hormones.

It's so complex in there, to be honest, I don't know really. I think my son is, I think my son's proud, but as I say, he's still little and sweet and sort of malleable, you know. The team thing has been massive and really sudden. She was still, before she got a phone and started at secondary school and stuff like that, I still felt relatively in control of her life, but as soon as that began, I felt like there was this huge shift and it's normal and natural and it talks about it with parents that have got kids older and they all say, it's all not like, you know, Shania Twain, it's like, it's all normal, but it's really hard as a parent to let them go and let them move on. There's all these milestones, like when they start school you have to

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It was a really good book. It was really reassuring, we sort of talked about, just what's, you know, their hormones and all that stuff. Just a teenage brain is a crazy place. age very well, my memory is horrible. It's horrible. I just don't remember. When I say to my mom, like, what was I like, she's like, you're the same. They're the same. It's just a difficult age.

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In any good time or day, yeah. I mean, sometimes you kind of get it right. I think you find with parenting, sometimes you get it and sometimes you get it wrong and it's just a very steep learning curve and because she's my oldest I think my son gets a better deal to be honest because there are some things I've sort of worked out by the time I've got to him. I do think though it's a gender thing as well slightly where my wife will clash with our daughters in I will so th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th to to to to to to to to to to to to to say to say thi to to say to to say to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to tho. I'm thi. I'm thi. I'm thi. I'm th. I'm th. I's th. I's th. I's th. th. th. th. th. I th. I th. I th. I the th. I the th. I thi the the is the the the the the the the the theeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee th way than I will. So I think some too, could you see yourself so much in them? I think mother's daughter's stuff is complicated. Yeah.

But I think one of the things, I don't know if it's, if it will be the same when your girls all grow up. But Ben, my husband has also felt like something happens with dads with daughters. They just thrown. get shut out from team, they can suddenly go, no, I don't want my dad and they just, they can be a bit... That's something to look forward to, isn't it? I think it's all right. It's not normal, you can have like ups and downs and you have, you have to celebrate the little victories. That's the... Yeah, I'm quite looking forward to when we go

swimming the try in gym rooms and I'm like no I've got into this one see you in the ball. Oh swimming so hard isn't it when they're little. Oh everything I've never known people to be so dry and wet at the same time and be undressed and dressed. Anything that needs to be wet is dry. I love it when you in the swimming pool having a kid and the acoustics like make it 10 million times worse. One little tip I would give to any people with young babies is when they start doing swimming lessons and you watch from the side where as little clothes as possible because you don't realize how what a swimming pool is if you're not in the war. I have sat there in a hoodie dripping the sweat off my nose. Someone caught to win. What class have you just finished? No! I've just been sat down. Did you find the phone thing difficult, Carrie?

Oh I hate the phone thing. I hate it. She's on it all the time. All the text, and again, you want to look back on your own childhood or your own adolescence and go, okay, I can compare it to that. But there's no comparison for me because I didn't have any of that that. me because I didn't have any of that when I was a kid. It's another world and I feel like an old woman saying it, like, oh, it didn't have a world, but it is a different world. Yeah. That reminds me when I had lived in my first sort of house share when I left home, we had an incoming calls only landline.

Did you? Yeah, so if you want to ring out, the to' thrown to the pub with loose loose loose loose loose loose loose loose loose loose loose loose loose loose loose, to to to to the pub, to the pub, the pub, the to the to ring and go right I'm going home now ring me back in five minutes. I mean Kerry I've always sort of used quite young but that sounds like something from the war. Are you and how's cooking and stuff food? Do you all sit around as a family and have a meal? Yeah we try to yeah that is something we stick to and I've tried to get her to do a bit of cooking actually while we're on the lockdown as well she's th th th th th th th to to to th to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to th. to th. th. th. th. th. to to to to to to to to thi thi thi to to to to to to to to th. I th. I th. I to to th. I to the. I the. I the. I the the the the the the the the the th. the th. th. th. th. I I th. I I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I the. I the. I the. I the. I'm the. I'm the thr. I'm to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to thrown the the the. I'm the. I tried to get her to do a bit of cooking actually while we're on the lockdown as well. She's made some cookies that she got off Tick Tock the other day. They went straight in the bin. Do you have like a bad, like a screen time rule with your children or is it just? We try. Yeah. I don't want to be like hardcore about it because I think when I was a kid, I wasn't allowed to drink Coca Cola their their their their their cco co co co co co co co co co co co co co co co co co co co co co co co co co co co co co co co coa. I a to be like to be like to drink coa. I a to be like to be like to be like a hardcore to be like a hardcore like a hardcore like a hardcore like a hardcore like a hardcore about to be a hardcore about to be a hardcore to be hardcore to be hardcore to be hardcore to be hardcore to be hardcore to be hardcore about like hardcore about hardcore about hardcore about hardcore about a hardcore about a hardcore about a hardcore about a hardcore about a hardcore about a hardcore about a hardcore about a hardcore to to to to to to to be hardcore to to be hardcore to be hardcore to be a hardcore to be a hardcore to drink a hardcore to drink co co co coa coa coa coa c a hardcore to drink coa ca ccococococococo ccoco ccola ccola ccola. I to ccola. I to cocoa cocoa co co-coa co-coa co-coa co-coa cco-coa c. I to to be like allowed to drink Coca-Cola or watch Benny Hill and now I can't think of any other than watching Benny Hill drinking Coca-Cola. You have to bear in mind that if you put down too hard rules they're just going to want

to do. Yeah. And it feels like you've got quite a bit of spare time at the moment anyway as your children ignoring you, Kerry. But if your partner and your kids were like, to, to, to,the entire day to yourself under lockdown rules what would you be doing in the house what would your day look like? Oh gardening 100% I can't stop gardening I've actually hurt myself quite badly today so I can't do it any but I've just I've really like a thorn went quite deep into my knuckle and it's all swollen up my finger looks very weirdly phallic.

Oh, all right. It's a tiny little cock for a finger, so I can't do anything. Tiny little finger cock. What would you say is the worst, if you had to pinpoint the one worst piece of parenting you've done since the lockdown? Um, oh God, there's so much. I mean, just sometimes you start the day wrong, just with the wrong attitude, it's all goes to the whole day, is a write-off. You're like, we might as well go to bed and start again tomorrow because this day's ruined. I just think sometimes when I, I think I'm being kind of rigorous and she's like you're

being aggressive and then you get into an argument. Do you know what I mean? What have you got today? What's today? What have you got on a Tuesday? And she's like, why are you shouting? And we're immediately in to a confrontation. I'm like, I'm looking at myself here. I thought we were talking about Tuesday. It just happened so quickly. That's something. And where's the dad in the kind of in the argument? What side is he? He's the same, we're both just sort of on the same page with it really.

So he's on your side. He doesn't think you're shouting at her. You'll come in and quietly go, you are shouting baby. I get that told, I'm shouting as well by Lou and stuff. But I call it enthusiasm. Yes, exactly. You know, you think you're being funny or you know when you're you're tolu like you think you're being amusing amusing you know when you're sort of I don't know like you think you're being amusing and it turns out you're not you're just being aggressive I'll get that all the tough yeah I thought it was sort of a bit ironic I thought it was doing irony they're like no yeah I did that the other I did that the other day when I though she was gonna have milk buttons the old and it's four year old and I went I'll get I I I I I I I I I I I I I, I'll put a bit of broccoli on a play, I went, there you go, and she went, what?

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I'm not! Because your mom says that it's just a bit, she's got lots of energy, but does it come across a bit aggressive sometimes and shoutie? It's never energy, it's always aggressive. There we are. You haven't you could be our therapist, you could help us to communicate with her. What would you say, what's your favourite quality about your mom, Elsie? Um, oh bloody hell.

Well, um, this is a long pause, isn't it? It's not being aggressive, let her think, Kerry. What's the best quality? Got getting in the mic, Elsie? Um, oh my God. Oh, um. I know. This is terrible. What's my quality? Cooking. Food. Cooking. Cooking. Cooking. Cooking. Have you answered for your daughter there, Kerry? She said it. She said it. She said it. She said Kerry? She said it. She said it. She said it. She said it. I don't think it's aggressive, Kerry, but you all, you sound quite alarmed all the time.

Yeah. So what's how to call it? It's like you're on a sinking ship and that's what's going to keep it up. I've gone shrill, I'm not. Yeah. Well, I'm lo love lovely. Lovel lovely. Lovel lovely. Lovel lovely. Lo l l l l love lovely. Lo love lovely. I'm lovely. I'm lovely. I'm lovely. I'll love. I'll love. I'll love. I'll love. I'll love. I'll love. I'll love. I'll love. I'll love. I'll love. I'll love. I'll love. I'll to cha. I'm lovely to cha. I'll to chat. I'll to chat. I'll to chat. I'a. I'll to chat. I'a. I'a. I'a. I'a. I'a. I'a. I'a. I'a. I'a. I'a. I'a. I'm to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the tha. I'm tha. I'm tha. I'm tha. I'm tha'a'a'a'a'a'go'a'a'a'a'a'a'ero'ero-a'ero-a'ero-a. I'm the the thrie-a'er- Elsie but she's good mom and she are you proud of her stand-up stuff yeah yeah yeah there you go that's called a conversation with a 13 year old is that the best interaction you've had since lockdown yeah that's the most I've had out of her since mid-March no it's not we've got a live argument is Elsie still there? No, she basically uses it. She went,

can I zoom my mates and disappeared? So that is how this works. Every change. No, there we are. Look, no, this is a live teenage excheat. You can zoom your mates. Okay. I was just asking. At least I asked. There you go. There you go, someone. It's really refreshing to hear, Kerry. Yeah, it's like being in Kevin and Perry. It's like being trapped. Kerry, the final question is, has there been a highlight and low light of lockdown for you? A moment where you thought, oh, this is bliss and a point you thought, I can't deal with these kids, I can't deal with being in anymore. There's been, you know what actually, I have had some really lovely moments where we've had some nice meals together and we've been in the garden, we set up a ping-ponged table outside

and the weather has been amazing, isn't it? I mean that's a real gift the weather, the weather has such a tapapapap difference, so th, so th, so th, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, that, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, the, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the thi, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, table tennis and stuff like that. So there's been some lovely moments where I have, I've thought actually, usually life's so busy, isn't it? When you're sort of rushing around doing stuff, it is quite hard to have those moments together. So I've enjoyed that. Low points have been the school stuff, I really today. I haven't got GC, I'm well out of my depth with I'm really am and I can't I just I can't fake it I can't pretend I know what they're doing the math stuff yeah I just I'm I can't I'm at sea with that so that's frustrating I can't do homeschooling it's a

lifestyle choice and I made it a long time ago that we weren't doing that what I find difficult is I don't if you find it some are good at a lot of stuff, isn't they? You take them gold for the first time they could do it or whatever or DIY. I'm not very good at most things, but I'm very good at doing stand-up, you know, I think I'm decent at doing that and I do that all the time. And that sort of gives you a bit of self's really definitely rocks yourself confidence because that's the things we're all chosen our sort of chosen field and profession and off you go and you go down that part and suddenly it feels like you've been reset to do things that you're not really used to doing anymore you know so it's it's been a real challenge it is quite a big shift. I think everyone will come out of this a little bit changed, you know, a bit different.

I hope so, yeah. I hope so. Well, it sounds like you're having a good time. It sounds like your daughter's having good time. And also, as well, like you say, it depends where you put the bar. If you think you've got to come out of this with like, you've written a novel and you've smashed parenting and la-la-la-la-and-you're going to be disappointed. You know, most of the time you have to just go day by day and make sure that you all stay happy and healthy. I know that sounds a bit cliche. That is a hundred percent the best way to think about it. I think if you're putting too

much pressure on this time to be this kind of moment in your life when you took advantage of a the the, then you're not going to achieve that. No. And if you are going to achieve that, please don't tell me about it. Oh God, can you wait on those Instagram posts from wankers? I turned my life around in COVID. Fuck! I don't know what a weird about it. What a lovely way to end the interview.

Well done you. Kelly, Okay, Kerry, what on you, you fucking flash prick. No, not Kerry's not a flash prick. I know. Oh, don't throw me on the bash. We'll just hit that bit in after every answer, we'll just have Rob saying, well, well, don't you, you fucking flash prick. Kerry, thanks so much. Thank you for asking me. I'm sorry that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to. It's been great, mate. Thank you for asking me. I'm sorry that I can't be a bit more of a parenting guru. Perfect. Very insightful. That was Kerry Godlyman. Rob.

Are you an aggressive parent? Well, Lou, it says, I don't know if it's a working class thing or a South East London thing where Kerry's from, but I'm very loud and very enthusiastic about making points, which my wife says I'm being aggressive, but I don't feel like I am. I feel like I'm enthusiastic. But after hearing Kerry to a daughter, and if I sound like that, it does sound a bit aggressive. So maybe I need to read how I speak.

That was, it was a really amazing piece of luck that we actually got to hear at firsthand. Yeah. And a better piece of luck that we that we that we that we that we that we that we that we that we that we that we that we that we have that we have that we have that we have that we have that we have that we have that we have that we have that we have that we have that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to that...... that. that. that. that. that. that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that th. the. the. the. the. the. the. that that that that that that that that that that that that that to to to to to to to to piece of luck that we haven't received a text from Carrie saying don't put that out which I presume would be coming 20 minutes after the record. Well yeah I mean it was interesting as well. We saw with older kids as well like the dynamic changes where with our young ones you can't really talk to them properly about overreacted and go mad but when you've got like a proper young woman in your house they're having proper discussions like their colleagues at work, even though their parent and daughter, so it's so interesting. It made me wonder what I was like. I don't know if I was a particularly difficult kind of teenager.

I don't remember it being like all-out kind of warfare, not that I'm saying that's what Kerry's is, but like, do you know what I mean? I remember it being, were you an easy teenager or? Yeah, I do think teenage boys are easier than teenage girls, where they lock themselves in a room and wank himself into a frenzy in my experience. Whereas girls are more emotionally mature and great and there's that sort of clashing and want to talk about things where boys just close up and don't want to think so. My mom's main issue is that with us was like, oh, you don't tell me anything. Where have you been what you do? Nothing, mom, mom.

Leave you alone, mom, mom, or more? Where I think it's different with girls and I think, yeah, so, it's just different relationships. But yeah, I don't remember it being all. like, oh, so and so is coming to stay this weekend, go and find someone's house to stay at and we'd have to go around up and make to stand the road to stay. Oh, wow. Well, like, do you have a lot of people in your house, didn't you? How many brothers and sisters?

So they grew up in separately to me. So it was like that. No. With anyone and that continues to this day. Yeah. Do you know what I always found the maddest and the spice girls would always do this? Oh yeah, go ahead. They'd always go, um, do you know what, my mom's my th.

Yeah. You're absolutely loser. I bet she's shit at Caller Jewie. How can she be her best mate? How is your mom, your best friend? Come on, mate. Who's your second best friend, the dinner lady? What's going on here? If my daughter had said to me that I was her best friend, I think, fuck, I messed up here. I've done some bad parenting here. Right. If you want to get in touch with anything we've talked about in this episode, for instance, substitute toys that have got out of hand or stories of what you are like as a teenager, then this is how to get in toucest. Email us, hello at lockdown parenting.co. Uk. Or we're on Twitter at lockdown parents. Don't forget to subscribe to the podcast

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Oh, lovely. Do you know what? I find it amazing that we haven't made a joke about Boris. I know, he's got so many kids. It'd be a great guest. But also, what a great guest he'd be. He's had a kid during lockdown. He's our dream guest.

Well, we sure you don't do any fucking Sunday night, are you a vicar? You're supposed to work every day, you prick. Get him on here. Jason Manford on Friday as well. Jason Manford on Friday, Boris Johnson after that. Thank you very much. Cheers. Goodbye. Bye.