Parenting Hell with Rob Beckett and Josh Widdicombe - S8 EP26: Andi & Miquita Oliver

Episode Date: April 5, 2024

Joining us this episode to discuss the highs and lows of parenting (and life) are our very first mother / daughter combo - it's the brilliant Andi and Miquita Oliver. You can listen to their podcast 'Stirring It Up' everywhere you get your podcasts. And you can also find Miquita's new podcast 'Miss Me?' with best friend Lily Allen on BBC Sounds with episodes available twice a week. Parenting Hell is a Spotify Podcast, available everywhere every Tuesday and Friday. Please leave a rating and review you filthy street dogs... xx If you want to get in touch with the show here's how: EMAIL: [e-mail] INSTAGRAM: @parentinghell MAILING LIST: parentinghellpodcast.mailchimpsites.com  A 'Keep It Light Media' Production  Sales, advertising, and general enquiries: [e-mail] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hello, I'm Rob Beckett. And I'm Josh Winnockham. Welcome to Parenting Hell, the show in which Josh and I discuss what it's really like to be a parent, which I would say can be a little tricky. So, to make ourselves and hopefully you feel better about the trials and tribulations of modern-day parenting each week we're chatting to a famous parent about how they're coping. Or hopefully how they're not coping. And we'll also be hearing from you the listener with your tips, advice and of course, tales of parenting woe. Because let's be honest, there are plenty of times where none of us

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Turns out Liverpool's fucking miles away from London. Did I tell you what happened to show Walter that were all out of the hall? No. So he has a joke, he won't want me sharing this, but he's got a joke where he basically says Joe Wicks has let himself go. Because he sort of looks a bit like Joe Wicks, a beard, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is a, is, is a, is, is, is, is a to, is a to, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is. to, is, is, is. to, is, is, is, is, is, is, is. to, is. to, is, is. to, is. to, is. to, is. to, is. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to. to. to, is a. to. to him about he did that dangerous roads show with Joe Swash so he was chatting about Joe Swash for ages before because I know Joe Joe Swash really well and he went I know what you're thinking Joe Swash Joe Swash has let himself go. He said it was such confidence that the crowd sort of laughed but then after the crowd went he looks something our Joe

ginger a victory for rhythm yeah yeah you cannot underestimate the power of rhythm and speed and confidence. Yeah, to get a joke. Because if you're in a comedy gig and as a person confidently delivering what seems like a joke, you just assume it's funny at the end. Yeah. And I won't name names. There's people at the top of the game I would argue built a career around it. You cannot underestimate rhythm in comedy. You can't. Today Rob I realized is when when we're recording this is when the episode where we talk about me being slagged off on the Plymouth Argonne message board is going out. Should I just have a quick check? A little live Google to see whether that is reignited the Joshthe Josh Whitakham thread. Can I find this thread? Plymouth Argyll. Oh it's back! Someone wrote on it

13 minutes ago Rob. Look the threads are live! The threads! Go down and take it says general and then go to Plymouth Argyle fans forum. Forums. And then where do I find you? And then you go down, ignore the forum. Josh would have come on Talkspoor, here we go. Oh God. You need to go to the end because you'll sit, you know, it's a long thread. It's a lot of opinion about you on here. No, well, it goes into a discussion. Eleventh. It goes into the discussion of the Jannail song, here we go. Update, today at night 859. Josh has responded to this thread on his parenting held podcast of Rob Beckett on Tuesday

the 26th of March episode. He definitely reads Persotti and found it hilarious that a thread descended into the discussion whether he's funny or not with the verdict that he isn't and is stealing a living. Yeah, and then someone agrees back into the Jana song again. Oh for God's sake. The Jana song needs to be performed live before matches and everyone needs to stand for it like the Americans do with a national anthem. Is he being serious? People are weird aren't they Rob? As an advert here for Timu, right? And I don't know where they think reads this forum but there's six images here. One's a pair of white trainers and the other the other the other trainers and the other trainers and the other the other trainers and the other trainers and the other the other the other traners and the other's like a green jacket looks like a fake sort of stone island jacket. I get that. Football, you know, also one's a nice watch. Then there's a pair of red sort of wedges

sports shoe trainers for women and then there's a pair of high heels like sparkly high heels. It doesn't feel like it's aimed at the same demographic as these angry people talking about a Janna song. What is the Janna song? Rob let me play you the Janna song. Oh you could offer an opinion on quite how awful it is. You know like Liverpool they play you'll never walk alone. Yes, yeah so at Plymuth they've implemented a song a Janna is someone from the Southwest or from Devon or whatever. So a Davon, so a Javonian, like a JNN so like a jinnettie, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like,ian, like a cockney for East London. Yeah, basically. It might be Cornwall. I don't know enough. So are you a Jana? What is a Jana? It's like a cockney, but for the South West. Sounds like a racial slur. Yeah, well it's not. I had a fucking Janas have moved in. Okay, do you want to hear this? This is what they play before each. This is just mortifying. You can the th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th the the th. This is just the th. This is th. This is their th. This is their th. th. they they they they they they they they're th. they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they they they they they they they they they they they they're they they're they're they're they're they're they're they're their their their their th. their th. they. they. th. they. they. they. th. they're they're they're they're they're they can try your best. So the crowd go Janners! Down in Glimbuf, we're all known as Janners.

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Yeah, so there we go. Let's keep an eye on that. I feel like they're really going to have a go at you. Michael, who we got on today? Andy and McKeo Oliver Josh. Oh brilliant, this was an incredible episode. Loved it. I used your catch-raise of one of my favorite ones I've ever done, which you say quite a a lot of a lot of different thing child is such a tight bond and they've sort of really been there for each other for a lot of different things. So it was lovely to see him laugh and joke and mess around, but also see a little bit

of the friction that's come from that relationship. But it was brilliant. It's really good episode. And we referenced that we've got Lily Allen because Makita and Lily are best friends. Exactly. Here is Makita Oliver and Andy Oliver. Up to Janners! Hi guys. Hi boys! Hello, you're all.

Hello. Thank you so much for doing this. So nice to meet you, Josh and Rob. I don't think I've ever met either of you. No, I know lovely to meet you. And I I've met you Andy I don't know where though. I feel like vaguely we might have in some weird fucking- You know sort of like a weird Sunday brunch thing or a- Some like green room situation yeah, yeah, passing ships in the green room night. Yeah, exactly well thanks for doing this.

You're so welcome all the weird people that you meet when you like whatever in our industry we call my mom's band and so far it's quite an eclectical pop. I don't know what me and Josh should be on. No, yes no you're joining the band this is you. Triangle percussion. Yeah I'll take that. You were in a band so Andy. that's a band so I was in a band a chery right? Me and Nana Cherry sorry sorry sorry sorry sorry sorry sorry sorry sorry sorry sorry sorry sorry sorry sorry sorry sorry sorry sorry sorry sorry sorry sorry sorry sorry sorry sorry sorry sorry sorry sorry sorry sorry sorry sorry sorry sorry sorry sorry sorry sorry sorry sorry sorry sorry sorry sorry sorry sorry sorry sorry sorry sorry sorry sorry sorry sorry sorry sorry sorry sorry sorry sorry sorry sorry sorry sorry sorry sorry sorry sorry sorry sorry sorry sorry sorry sorry sorry sorry sorry sorry sorry. I so. I so. I so. I so. I the the the the to. I the the, you and Nina Cherry, correct. Nan Cherry, sorry, sorry. It's all right. I just subtly adjusting. Yeah, and then I drew attention to it. What an error? Yeah, I was. That's how I started in music actually, which is why I think I really like things like live TV and you know, like lots of people find that really terrifying and they sort of think oh my god But for me that's like I fucking love all that How old were you Makita when Andy was on top of the pops or were you not there?

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Yeah. I mean all the time. Like really probably quite a dysfunctional amount. Yeah. I think other people think it's a bit weird. Like, she'll be with her mates and she'll answer the phones and then put them and they go, who's out and she'll go, my mom and they're like, a game. Yeah, we talk a lot of the phones. And then we work together. So I see her all the time for that. It's quite important to try and remember to like have a relationship. to their their their to their to their to their. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they they. they they they they they they they they to to to to to to to they're to they'll to to they're they're to to to to to to to they'll they'll they'll they'll they'll they'll they'll they'll they'll they'll they'll to go. they'll they'll to to to they to to to go. to they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. their and she. their. their. their. their. their. My. I their they're to go. I go. Who's go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, they'll their their they'll go, they'll go, they'll go, a bit of thing. Me and Josh, when we see each other, we'll go, oh how that, don't ask me, I'll tell you a Monday for the podcast. If it's, I'm asking about the family and stuff.

This is terrible. I don't have that so much with mom, but in my new one with Lily, Save that gold. Well, let's do an official intro to this episode. We've got Andy and Miquita Oliver who have their podcast stirring it up, which is more about food than it is sort of what you've been up to. But then obviously Makieta's new podcast with your good friend Lily Allen is way more about catching up as friends. But this one is parenting hell. And let's chat about the dog first, Maketik. I think this will have an impact on the parenting chat because you're holding this beautiful little spaniel puppy and you're saying I'm not

going to be one of those dog moms, this isn't my baby but you are cradling this puppy like an eBall. I know, I was all I could do to not hold her up to the moon last night and get a Lion King about it. Yeah. yes, I got her yesterday. My friend came with me who's had a dog for a long time and was like right when he's getting a sling I was like I'm not having a sling. A sleigh! People carry their dogs in a sling? Apparently. Maybe in East London. I've not seen it in the birds. That's just creepy. Though I'm trying my best to be more to be more to be more to be more to be more to be more to be more to be more to be more to be more to be more to be more to be more to be more to be more to be more to be more to be more to be more to be more to be more to be more to be more to be to be the their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their to to to to to to to to to to to to to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be. toooom. toooom. tooom. I. I toe. tooom. I toe. toe. I their their their their their the in the birds. That's just creepy. So I'm trying my best to be more like a guardian. A companion. I don't really want to be a doggy mummy.

But I really wanted a puppy. So can the dog not go on the floor then? Does it have to be held in your lap? No joke. Keep the dog bear, I'm loving it, but I wouldn't say a guardian, you know, like would cradle you. You might be able to pay one to do it. It might be some sort of like dark web situation. I'm actually going to go put her in her area because she's got to get used to that. But I'm not joking, Makita.

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for a year and a half. Yeah, year and a half. But when they move together? No, I'm in Clapton. Oh, you near me. You're Clapton. I'm Victoria Park. No way. Oh, fancy.

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Well quite. That's near my house. My neighbors the dumpling. What's that? It's a little dumpling restaurant in Clatchon on Lower Clapton Road. I lived in Clapton for the the the the to to to to to to to th in thin thin thin thin thin thin thin thin thin thin th th th th th th th th tham th th thoen don't even even even even even even even even even even tham that tham don't even even even even even even even even even even even even even even even to toen. Don't even even even even even even tham don't even even even even tham don't tham don't that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that don don that's. I that that that that that that that that thane. I thane. I tham don't. I tham don't tham don't tham ca tham tham thatty thatty that-cant thanks thanks thanks thanks thanks thanks. I thanks thanks thanks thanks thanks. I thanks thanks. I thanks. I thanks. I thanks. I neighbor's the dumpling. What's that? It's a little dumpling restaurant in Clapton on Lower Clapton Road. I lived in Clapton for 26 years, Josh. I know I was once sat in a cafe in Clapton about four years ago and there was a woman on the same table that I presumed to be your agent. She kept making phone calls about your diary. And I was listening Kelly. She kept making phone calls about your diary. That's Kelly. That's hilarious. Dynamite assistant life partner. She's brilliant. Four years later we've

got you on the post. We've managed to nail you down. I have to have her because I can't even basically my life got so hectic I got to the point where I was triple booking myself and stuff and not even realizing it. And then I'd be on the sofa or somewhere else and people are bringing up and go are you on the way? Are you on the way? And I'd be like, oh shit, where are there anything worse? And I'd be like, of course I am? It was horrible. The only worst of a local community. You know, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, the the the the the the their their the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th, th. th. th. tho, tho, or tho, tho, tho, thoo, thooooooooooooooooooo-s., thoooooooo., thoooooo. the tho. And, the the th. th. What do you mean? And where am I going? Where am I going? What am I forgotten?

This is like a little local community meet-up, you know like in lockdown, the Jackie Weaver one, where it was just a big argument about the local area? Just you guys spitballing about East London. Where are you, Rob? South East London. I've grown up, but now I'm further out in Kent Countryside. Oh, the garden of England. The garden of England. How do you like, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the th. th. thin, tho, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. th. th. th. th. th. Where th. Where, th. Where, th. Where th. Where th. Where th. Where th. Where th. Where th. Where the, the. Where thea. Where thea. Where thooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo' the. Where the. Where do you like? Well hang them. Yeah, certain parts of it I if the garden involves people fly-tipping down any lane they can find. So what was Andy like as a mom? What was Andy like as a mom? And you're an only child is that right McKee? Yeah, yeah. Only child and now you're a dog mom now so you both don't call me that. No I felt bad when you put the dog. What's the dog. the dog. the dog. the dog. the dog. the dog. the dog. the dog. the dog. the dog. the dog. the dog. the dog. the dog. the dog. the dog. the dog. the dog. the dog. the dog. the dog. the dog. the dog. Oh. Oh. the dog. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh.. Oh.. Oh.. the.. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the me that. No, I feel bad, but you've put the dog, what's the dog called, by the way? Oh, right, Z. Z. Z. Z. Z. E. D. Z. Z. Z. Z. Z. D. And so you've put Zedy in our area, as you called it. Yeah, she's crying.

Oh, bring her back. I can't. to let her cry it out and at four in the morning she was like and then at four in the morning she was up and I couldn't I couldn't she sounded so distressed so I brought on the sofa with me and she was so some I tried that when Makita was a baby I had this whole thing because I was a single mom so you know she was just in the bed with me the whole time I think most people like thi thu th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th the th I th I th I the th I th I thi thi the thi the thi thi thi the thi thi thi they they they they they tho they they they the they they their their their they they their they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they to to to to to to to to to to to try try try to try try to try to try to to try to the the the going to have 10 minutes off or whatever so I don't know how old she was. How do you not just lose your mind Andy? Because that is the deal and you know you know if you know you know if you know if you're, you know there's an option then it stresses you out.

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into my bed and I had basically it's got to the point where I had no social life at all because I was getting into bed with my daughter at 730 or whatever and then I would fall asleep. Yeah, you know it's like 21. It's like on, I need to speak to other people and do other stuff. So one of my friends came around and said, right, I'm going to sit with him, we have to leave it to cry. That's what you do. You leave them to cry. Which one?

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about six months old I realize that yeah that is mad't it? So it's all there, programmed in your head. It's all there, I think we never really, really, really change. And you still vomit every night when you go to sleep as well, don't you? Yes, without enough attention, absolutely. Blah! Bluah! Someone lift me up! Someone lift me the fuck up! Yeah.

Food is so central to your kind of, is that central to your family life? What was it like, my children are, well my daughter is definitely is a very fussy eater and my son, you know, is quite fuzzy. What was it like, what was Makita like eating? She ate everything always and she didn't really have a very sweet too. I mean I didn't really, I don't really have much truck with that fussy eating nonsense. It's like that's the dinner. If you don't want to eat it don't eat it. Yeah but that's dinner and once they realize that they just eat it. Do you know what I mean? My mom is like my mom's one of those quietly hard-hawked-you're not like lovely on the great rich one. Yeah, it's a different case when the doors are closed. No, so I, um, my mom just said to me, don't even worry about

she doesn't want to eat it. It doesn't match. She's not going to starve herself to death. Nature will kick in and she will eventually eat something. And she told me that really early on. So I don't really worry about that stuff and Nikita as a result just literally ate everything and then she did I don't have a very sweet to so there's never any sweeties and stuff in the house so when we would get a video from Blockbuster or whatever the little treat day Nikita would have a bowl of peas and butter and that was like your heaven right yeah still to this day that's like I love vegetables. Bowl of peas on top of a roof, you're flying. You gotta be vomiting for weeks after a bowl of peas high up. So she wasn't very, I mean, you know, I say,

I think I got lucky with Makita a bit actually in the fact that she would just eat everything but I gave her everything that I was eating from the moment she was eating solid food anyway so I think it was just in her to just eat everything because I was she that's what she always had but interestingly I like baby food now all right and not like like mashed up mashed up not like straight up pouch when you're out of pouch like my mom now it's just it's all a bit too chef-y for me. The syrups and the glazes and the brazing. I'm just like all I want is mince, mashed potatoes, sausages and mas sausages and mash, cheese on toes. I like really simple mum food.

You like shit. She like shit sausages. You can't even give her like now she's more of a fussy eater, interestingly. When she was a baby she would eat everything and love everything and now she's like what's that? What have you done to that? Why is it like me? Unless it's cheap mince and she's told? Unless it's cheap mince and she's told? Are you saying that Andy's change since she got on the box and she's now th is is and she's now a bit kind of of... That's exactly what she's saying. I don't want to be harsh but yes she has changed. She was getting there she was already even with her pop-up I think people don't realize just before Great

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I think there's fancy days, there's have bangs and mashdays. It's not true. It's not true. You made me lunch with mashed potatoes, but it was for our podcast, for a Mother's Day special. So it's like it's not. It's all a bit skewed now. You know what it is? I have less time to cook.

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I really enjoyed to making myself whatever I wanted and being a greedy little pig and eating it all to myself. So I would be like in the kitchen making, you know I wasn't being a culinary genius. I used to just love making three cheese pasta with peas, at peas. And I would just make that I'd be like, oh this can be good. And then Nana, my aunt Cherry would come down and be like, oh, that's so sweet. I'll get some plates from Mabel and Tyson. I was like, what the hell are you talking about sharing this? What do you mean?

I have to share my full concept of sharing. Yeah, I think that's what I realized. I was like, God, I am quite spoiled. I have been made sort of bespoke food my whole life just for me. There's a lot of hard things about being a single parent only child relationship, but that's not one of them. You get, you get looked after in the food department and you're heard and you're seen. As the single parent only child, what really comes across here is like, do you feel like you're more like friends than a lot of people, you know with their kids? It feels like it's like.. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi thi. thi's th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. You th. You th. You th. You th. You th. You th. You're th. You're th. You're th. I I I I's th. I's th. I's not, th. I's not, th. I's not th. I's not th. I's not th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm thi. I'm thi. I'm thi. I'm thi. I'm thi. I'm thi. I'm thi. I'm thi. I'm th. I'm's a real friend connection there. Well we're a team. We're definitely team. I mean I have made a conscious effort because I really hate it when people go oh my this is my kid's my best friend

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We are very close, but I've made a conscious effort. Like if I'm really low or something's going on. I tell my mates about it. I don't really tell her about it. Do you know what I mean? Because it's not, it's just not her job to be my best friend. And I think that's quite an important distinction to make, especially when they're younger. I mean she's 39 now so you know, it's obviously quite different. You're both mothers now. I'm both mothers now, exactly. She stopped crying. Does that mean she's like, good? She's either fine, but if you go, she'll see you and then cry good.

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Like, you know, a couple of our sleep, like, good, I'm ready, I'm ready. My friend, who's here, when her baby, won't sleep and they're a fucking man you think oh my god I'm gonna die all of that stuff. She was so tired she said I'm gonna get one of those baby sleep therapist people and I'm gonna take it and I said really because he just sounds like a normal two year old to me. Do you know what I mean? It's like yeah she was goingthis woman like 300 quid and the woman said, well, all babies are different. I was like, you could play the, I think I told you that, the 300 quid. Wow. A scam. But I think there is a lot of 80s parenting that is quite important for now. Yes, it was a bit reckless and wild and looser and our circles, but there was, I don't

know, it was everything felt a little less precious, like my baby, I've never left my baby. Yeah, there's competitive parenting now, which I just think must be really exhausting. Yeah, because I'm not a parent, but because I'm 39, most of my friends and family are, so I've sort of seen how toxic that stuff can be. Is it the same with dads? Some dads, but you just learn to cut these people out quite quickly. Do you know what I mean? I think it's the school gates just at the top of us. I thought like there's two types of dads though really,

where it's sort of like, dad's a bit more like methat, and stereotypically, more men and work than women when they have kids and stuff. But then there is still like a hardcore, like old school dads that do fuck all. It's mad when you meet these people. Yeah. And they literally get up, not even a thoughts like what are the kids having for breakfast or what have they they they they's it, you're like, I've got my work clothes on, I'm fucking out.

I'm off. And then they come home and go, where's dinner? And it's, it is where it's and it's still that. Unbelievable. And you're doing what on a Saturday? Yeah. You're going away with Arsenal to Manchester. how that would go down in my house. Or when people say, I'm baby-sing, it's not baby-sing, it's your kid.

They're your kid, yeah. It's your kid. And there's points where you sort of look and you go, they're not having to do as much and stuff like that. But I do think the effort you put in now really does pay back when they're older, Some of the bloke is like, oh, he gets to go and do that. He don't know. And I'm like, well, no, it's fun looking after. You have fun. Obviously, it's points where it's tire and it's hard and stress.

But like, you're part of a team. It's fun having the kids. They're lovely. And then they getto start a podcast with them just to talk to them, don't you? Exactly. Just to get around your house, you know? Exactly. But we do see a lot of each other.

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parents used to run the bird cage. I remember that. I remember that because I used to live very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very to to live very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very verycage when you man it. We've always been just sort of adjacent to Josh Whitakum. Just quite close. Sorry Josh. It's quite a lively few years, wasn't it, Josh? 40. How old are you now, Rob? How old are you now, Rob? 38.38, thirty-eight, forty. Yeah.

Yes. And how old were you when you had your kids? I was 2017, 34 and 37 or 38 or something like that. I was 29 turning 30. Right. I was quite young for all my friends I met in tele and comedy. Yeah, yes. But I was about 15 years older and all my family and friends have grown up with. I mean we had, there was like me, Nana and Tessa all had kids at the same time and I think that you know we used to baby swap. We had this brilliant system because we were, well Nana was married and Tessa was with my brother so she may as well have been on her own because he was rubbish because he had about 17 girlfriends basically. I mean, bless him, I love him, he's passed away now,

but he was an absolute flandering. Blander. Brilliant, cloak, fantastic bass player, musical genius, great mate, the worst boyfriend in the world. And so we used to do a thing where we would baby swap. So every third weekend, you'd get the whole weekend off. So I would have all the kids and Nama and Tessa would go out for the weekend. Then Nana would have all the

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And it was just a wine bar restaurant that loads of people used to go to everybody we just used to go there. It was great it was like Jack Nicholson and like Soul to soul. Like everything weird like everyone from London and then me and my weird mates so everybody was in it was like a real mix I met Harry Belafonte in there, it was a really, it was amazing. Is he a real bloke? I just thought it was a made-up Del Boyle. Harry Belafonte? Yeah, my God. You don't used to just say random one. Harry Belafonte was a god amongst men.

You sought yourself out. Wait a minute, what did Harry Belafonte mean in slang? Not only if it was an or foxes, he would go Harry Belafonte, thau, thta, instead of, oh my, you go Harry Belafonte, you know like Mary. Harry Belafonte was like an amazing actor, activist musician, like, anyway, my friend's in Sydney Party A. One of the most... Pardon? Keep going with your 192. I'm just tell it, don't tell me what to do. No, I know, I'm just explaining to him with Harry Belafonte's. I think Rob's got it now. Well he was, I was just finishing my end of my sentence, I had two words left to go fact.

But thank you for your health. Thank you for your health with that, Makiita. Thank you for your production helps. I was in 192. I'm going to tell you this really quickly because I love it. And I was the only black person in there, which was often the case because it was, you know, just puncty, very middle class white people basically. And I was in there and Harry Belafonte came in the whole place was all a rustle because Harry Belafonte was in. And he walked through the whole restaurant and he saw me and he went, how to throw. I mean, I was like, oh, God, I mean, he was like a god. Anyways, that's the... We used to go to 192 all the time and there was a friend of ours called Sarah Martin who used to run MTV.

So she had all these like TV producer mates. MTV Europe. MTV Europe. Yeah. And she had all these sort of TV producer friends who met, and one of them had met Makita in 192 when you were about 11 or something like that. Anyway, when they were casting for pop world a few years later, they went through all the stage school kids in the country, they couldn't find anyone, because everybody was a bit too jazz hands, do you know what I mean? They wanted someone but they wanted somebody who was a teenager, they wanted someone young. And then what's her name? Pam Zem.

Tamzin, when I met this kid when she was 11 and she was amazing. She's about 15 now, why don't we give her a call? So they called me up and said, would Makita like to come an audition for this thing? And I said, do know what to do. She'd been to about four different schools at this point or five different schools. Five. And it was a bit of a nightmare and we couldn't really work out of what to do. And I said, you want to just go and do this audition.

She said, yeah, be interesting. So me and me and me and my and my and my and my and my and my and my and my and my and my and my and my and my and my friend, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the their. their, she she's, she's their their their their their their the school school school school, the school, their the school, their the school school, their their their their their their their their, she was... She was just wanging off. What did you have to do in the audition? Simon Amstow, my darling Simon was already cast, and he was 21, so I thought he was like a grown-up. And I don't know, it was just a bit, you know, Goodwill hunting. It was just a bit like, I just knew how to play. I was just like, yeah, this I get. understand and let's go. Amazing. Just knew what to do. You've been in your bedroom watching loads of MTV. This is what I mean life prepares you without you even knowing it. Because I was not in school all I did was watch MTV and it was when MTV Select was on with like Donna Ayer and sometimes

to Brook and I remember thinking whatever this is I could definitely do this. I didn't think I should do this and I think I should do this and get into this industry. I thought whatever they're doing, I think I could probably do that. And then I think maybe two weeks later this thing came up. And so I just had to sort of like, luckily I could like, yes I could name all of five and I knew what was happening in Jalo's life. So I knew all that. But I also had an opinion and Simon really made me laugh. So it was surreal. It was such an incredible show. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I just, I th. I thi. I this thi. I just, I th. I th. I th. I just, I just, I just, luckily, I just, luckily, I this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I thi. I thi. I just, luckily, I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. such an incredible show. It was I just I just loved it so much It was like iconic when it was on as well then you were like yeah I'd have been a year older than Yeah, I was at the flower market. Rob wasn't a Sunday morning. Rob was at the flower market. Missed that a bit actually for that one. Definitely. You know you had a vocation. That's very true I was at the flower market. I was the the the the the the the the the the the the flower. I was at the flower. I was at the the flower the flower the the flower the flower the flower. I was at the the flower. I was at the flower. I was at the flower. I was at the flower. I was at the flower was at the flower. I was at the flower. I was at the flower was at the flower. I was at the flower the flower the flower the flower. I was at the flower. I was at the flower. I was at the flower. I was at the flower. I was at the flower. I was was was was at the flower. I was at the flower. I was at the flower. I was at the flower. I was at the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the flower market. I was at the flower market. I was at the flower market. I was at the flower market. I was at the flower. I was at the flower market. I was at the flower. I was. I was at the the the the us at the flower market. Missed that a bit actually for the other one. Definitely. You know, you had a vocation, that's very true. You would not have seen Pop World in the way that Josh would have.

It was so good, because it was so... Sat there in Devon feeling like he's watching something from Jupiter. Honestly, Rob, go back and watch it. They were so cheeky in exactly the right way right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to you didn't take anything too seriously and it had exactly the right tone. Did you watch it Andy? Yeah yeah I co-host. No, imagine that now I just leave my 15-year-old I won't even turn it on. They used to make me laugh so much and I was quite I'd still feel a bit motherly with Simon Amstall. To remember he came to our house house at Christmas and I made him a special little pie and he couldn't believe it. Yeah, he's had a lot of Christmases with us actually. Well, he was a vegetarian back then and I made him a little special vegetarian pie and he

just was like nobody, because his mom's not big on cooking is she. And this is an interesting thing about being raised like I was and him being raised like, him to be raised like he was, I was like's mom's house. Oh, Ali Allen's, not where we were. Alitans, yeah. So mom was like, I'm going to make you this whole vegetarian partner. And Simon was like, oh my god, this is unbelievable. And I was like, this is standard. Like, yeah, ask it for whatever you want to live up for you. I was like, oh that I expect to spoke food. Yeah, I realized that that Christmas

What was it like Andy when because obviously then? Pop World happens and McKee co comes famous and you're in the tabloids a lot going out and you're kind of suddenly you're a celebrity and stuff? What's that like as a mum? That was weird all that stuff? Yeah was Makeda a bit a bit of a like? You said mcete was a the the? the? the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the they? they? I? I? I? I they. I? I? I? I'm? I'm? I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the. the. the. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. stuff. Yeah. Was McKee to a bit of a, like, you said, McKee was a bit lively as a teenager? Yes. Did that manifest after Pop World? Or was that happening already before? Oh, way before Potwell. You might have been a bit more sensitive to it, because if there's, yeah.

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she used to get a car. He got me a car. He used to send her a car to pick her up to take her to work experience. Bloody yeah. I mean that's just bullshit. Yeah, so I was a little bit like, this is great. And then she also worked in 192, sort of. And Freddie, who was the guy that used to run up 192, after about two weeks, I said, so how she's doing? He went, darling, she's fucking terrible, but don't worry. I'm going to look after she's useless. The key is saying it's the coffee machine for the sort of warehouse party hangers. Exactly. I blame squat parties. That's before I'd quit, squat parties. So I was I was not able to hold down anything. Amazing. We're going to interview Lily next. What question...

Oh my good you are, aren't you? Like actually right next month? Yeah. What question would you ask Andy? No, I think I'd like to know, because she's a parent, so her two kids, it'd be interesting to know if becoming a parent has given her more empathy towards her own mother. That's exactly what I was going to say. Is it? Yes. I was going to say, did becoming a parent give you more empathy towards our mumums? And I can say, because I've been my night with my puppy, I'm... Of course. I get it already.

I'm not looking there. So your kids are 11 and 12. You must be swimming in empathy for them. You're drowning in it. Are you talking to today, Linnie? In three minutes time. Oh my god. I have no idea.

That's hilarious. Well, we normally do itthat final question for Andy and Miquita? We normally do it about the parents, but when we've got the mother and daughter on it, it seems the best way to do it. This is for both of you, but obviously about each other. What's the one thing, Meketa? What's the one? When you're the today obviously the same question to you Andy but about Makita. Okay I'll start with the bad one. Yeah if I'm talking about something

she doesn't want to talk about she pretends to be distracted and then gets angry because I've noticed and says no I really did have to see that thing over there and I like no you're deflecting because you don't like the subject matter and she still thinks I don't notice. It's infuri. L. L. L. L. L. L. L. L. L. L. L. L. L. L. L. L. L. L. L. L. L. L. L. Li. Li. Li. Li. Li. Li. Li. Li. Li. Li. Li. Li. Li. Li. Li. the thi. She's thi. thi. th. th. th. th. th. She's th. She's th. She's th. She's th. She's th. She's th. She's th. She's th. She's th. She's th. She's th. She's th. She's th. She's th. She's th. She's th. She's th. She's th. She's th. She's th. She's th. She's th. She's to to to to to to to to to toeeateateateateateateateateateateateateateateateateateateateateat. She's to to to theat. She's th. She still thinks, I don't notice, it's infuriating. Now the good thing, I love how much she consumes with educating herself and then sharing it with everyone. She's a great teacher, my mother, and she, like me, have absolutely no education, what do you even call it, academic credentials? Yeah, no, none. Qualifications? Yeah, absolutely. Between me, Mom and Lily, I think maybe Allison as well, educated what do you even call it academic credentials yeah no qualifications yeah absolutely between me mom and Lily I think maybe Allison as well Lily

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it's like, don't tell me what I think. I will tell you what I think because you're also wrong by the way. I don't think that. I something entirely different. So what she's scared that I'm thinking of, she absolutely is convinced that I'm thinking when I'm not. She projects a lot on it. I do find that very frustrated. And when she's doing that she doesn't hit, she can't hear, she loses the ability to hear reason or what I'm saying. So that's annoying. So that's annoying. The great thing about is Makita is So that's annoying. The great thing about is Makita is one of the kindest people I know. Makita with her friends and her family, she makes more time and gives them more of her

heart than nearly anybody else I know. If it's 3 o'clock in the morning and you're in trouble and you need help, call Makita. She's like Batman. She's like Batman. She's a man. Yeah, this is the dog and inshutte. She's incredibly kind and compassionate and I think that's a really lovely thing to be.

Oh, this has been an absolute joy. It's one of my, genuinely what, Josh says it all the time because he's too nice. But it's genuinely one of my favorites. I never say it. I never say it. Well no you're both super funny and entertaining but also there's a real love and a bond there and I think there's a lot of people, especially single moms and single dads. You know, I think that can be a scary thing but it gives sort of people hope and excitement about what a great relationship you can have with a child. So it's been brilliant. Thank you so much. Thank you guys, thank you for inviting us. Awesome love, guys. Thank you so much, guys. The podcasts again are miss me and stirring it up.

Get them where you get your podcast. Exactly. That's right, wherever the hell you want. Give Lily our love. Yes, tell their love. All right, see you later. Bye. Bye. Bye.

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and she just turned up and because she wasn't at school she was just watching MTV. Do you know what? Perfect training. That outlines one of the things I watched, my parents let me watch fucking loads of TV as a kid and it meant that when I got to do it I knew a lot about how it worked and I was good at it. A lot of people do say you're the young Kilroy Silk. And when you've watched him that march, you will be like him. Exactly. And say what you want about his views, boy he could do life TV.

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