Parenting Hell with Rob Beckett and Josh Widdicombe - S8 EP28: Lily Allen

Episode Date: April 12, 2024

Joining us this episode to discuss the highs and lows of parenting (and life) is the brilliant, funny, incredibly talented singer-songwriter and actress - Lily Allen. Miss Me? with Lily Allen and Miquita Oliver is available twice a week on BBC Sounds Parenting Hell is a Spotify Podcast, available everywhere every Tuesday and Friday. Please leave a rating and review you filthy street dogs... xxx If you want to get in touch with the show here's how: EMAIL: [e-mail] INSTAGRAM: @parentinghell MAILING LIST: parentinghellpodcast.mailchimpsites.com  A 'Keep It Light Media' Production  Sales, advertising, and general enquiries: [e-mail] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hello, I'm Rob Beckett. And I'm Josh Winnockham. Welcome to Parenting Hell, the show in which Josh and I discuss what it's really like to be a parent, which I would say can be a little tricky. So, to make ourselves and hopefully you feel better about the trials and tribulations of modern-day parenting each week we're chatting to a famous parent about how they're coping. Or hopefully how they're not coping. And we'll also be hearing from you the listener with your tips, advice and of course, tales of parenting woe. Because let's be honest, there are plenty of times where none of us

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Can you say Rob Beckett. Rob Beckett. And Josh Widdicum. That's the beginning. Very good, well done. Hello, sexy and relatable chaps. I've just finished my parenting hell binge. It took me 11 months starting last April and finishing today, March the 25th. I've rated you five stars,

so you'd better play my son as your intro, or it'll be a gigantic waste of my time. This is one of my favorite, oh. This is my little boy boy boy boy boy boy boy boy boy boy a half at the time of recording. He's just turned three and frankly the attitude he gives me is the unprecedented. Thanks for all the laws Francesca. 382 months old from Ketaring. Northamptons. I always think that Acast of it, you know, does the K-N-R-I-N-G. Yeah. K-I-I-I-I-I-I-K-I-I-K-I-I-K-I-K-I-K-S-I-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S, I th-S, I th-S, I th-S, th-K, th-K-K-K, th-K, th-I and th-S, th-I and th-I th-I th, th, th, th, th, the th, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-A-A-T-T-A-T-A-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-E and the T-T-T-T-E, to the R to the I-G, that one. Ketrin, F-C. Ketrin, F-C. How are you? How are you?

Good. I don't know if Lou's going to be happy with me playing this, but Lou went out for a night out and I was putting the kids to bed, and she, and she, andthing with the youngest and she's not the Jana song is it? It's not a Janice. Okay you were the E in a T T D D D K Ket K every no and she was like I don't need to go to sleep I want mommy to see her mom some I want to sing the song did she's sown. We'll sing the song I want to sing. Did. Did the the the the song. Did the the the song. Did the song. Did the the the song. Did the the song. Did the the song. Did the the song. the song. the song. the song. the song. the the the the the the the the the they. the song. Did. Did they. they. they. I they. I the the the song. I the the song. I the song. I the song. You you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you. Did. Did. Did. Did. Did. Did. Did. Did. Did. Did. Did. Did. Did. Did. Did. Did. Did. Did. Did. You. You. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'll. I'm. I'll. I'm. I'll. I'm. I'll. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm calling the song. Oh yes, please. What I love is the background noise of her in like a restaurant is she's sort of doing this quietly in the corner of a bar or pub or something. So this is the song that she sings. Go to sleep, my baby, close your pretty eyes. It's time for all the boys and girls to go to sleep. Go to sleep.

Amazing. What I love about that is you can hear in her voice she's just trying to get through it. I know it's quite awkward that she's probably said to the people at the table, would you mind if I quickly sing this and you stop talking? It's because it sounds like she's on the M25. I would leave the tablip she had, I didn't know where she did that, we'll have to ask her. I'd go to the toilet, but then that's a gamble itself. What if someone came in? You're having a shit. So you lull someone to sleep on the to toilet? Oh my word. So is this Lou, this, yeah, but not that fast. I was, well, I'm not getting her to relay down the track.

So I sang it to her slowly. Lil, love that. Yeah, oh, that is good. Shout out to Lou. So Lily Allen today. Yes, we were very excited about this. One of our great musical artists of the 21st century. I love love love love love love love love love love love love love love love love love love love love love love love love love love love love love love love love love love love love love love love love love love love love love love love love love love love love love love love. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I that I that I that I th. I that I that I that I that I that I that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that to the 21st century. I love Lillian's music. I think she's criminally underrated and I also think she's been given a really hard time in the press, especially recently when she's sober now

and she's just sort of living her life and putting her kids first and the paper's still want to try and give her a bit of shit which is not ideal. Yeah, wankers. But you kept saying thank you. I know. I know. And it was a bit too and she even told you off. I know awkward. But then it's good to be nice. When I have people on the show that I'm excited by I want them to know. Not that I'm not excited by everyone, just pick that up. But I think there's, you know. Alex. Like Alex Brooke we've had. You see every week and he's out mate. That's filler. That's filler. That's filler. I started going, thank you so much Alex. Alex. All right. Who were you most thrilled to be on straight worried that you were like, thank you, thank you, thank you with? George Foreman, I felt very awkward. Yeah. Yeah. Because he's a boxing legend and great. Why are you here, George? Why you here, George? What contractual obligation do you have to fulfill?

Was he on promo? For his film? Oh yeah, it was a film, wasn't it? Yeah. And also, as well, he's older, there was a bit of a delay on it, and he was in America, you know, he was brilliant. He was the th was brilliant, he was brilliant, he was brilliant, he was brilliant, he was brilliant, he was brilliant, he was brilliant, he was brilliant, he was brilliant, he was brilliant, he was brilliant, he was brilliant, he was brilliant, he was brilliant, he was brilliant, he was brilliant, he was brilliant, he was brilliant, he was brilliant, he was brilliant, he was brilliant, he was brilliant, he was brilliant, he was brilliant, he was brilliant, he was brilliant, he was brilliant, he was brilliant, he was brilliant, he was brilliant, he was brilliant, he was brilliant, he was brilliant, he was brilliant, he was brilliant, he was brilliant, he was brilliant, he was brilliant, he was brilliant, he was brilliant, he was brilliant, he was brilliant, he was brilliant, he was brilliant, he was brilliant, he was brilliant, he was brilliant, he was brilliant, he was brilliant, he was brilliant, he was brilliant, he was brilliant, he was brilliant, he was brilliant, he was brilliant, he was brilliant, he was brilliant, he was brilliant, he was brilliant, he was brilliant, he was brilliant, he was brilliant, he was brilliant, he was brilliant, he was brilliant, he was brilliant, he was brilliant, he was brilliant, he was brilliant, he was brilliant, he was brilliant, he was brilliant, he was brilliant, he was brilliant, he was brilliant, he was brilliant, he was brilliant, he was brilliant, he was brilliant, he was brilliant once you let him go, he'd let him speak. God, on the subject to promo, did I tell you this, that Rose was on a train back from Cornwall, no shit. Guess who got on at Exeter, all of the Loose Women? All of the Loose Women? What are they doing an Exeter? Where they said? It was all of the Loose Women and Janers? They're on a hunt for Janers? And McKayna Shrakhan!

Obviously they're all just chatting so Rose was just listening to it. Of course, yeah, well you televised it, would you? Yeah, exactly. They went through the issues of the day and they all had differing views. Held up their mug at with some text in. Yep, a bit of innuendo for a couple of euphemism. They said they've gone all that way to do a six-minute VT about being on a zip wire. Anyway, one of the things they were discussing was how no one ever pays people to go on podcasts. Oh really? Yeah. Lovely bit of stuff. Yeah, and I thought have we had any of those people on. Denise Welsh? I don't think th th th th th th th th th th th th th think th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi they they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I tho. I tho. I tho. I tho. I tho. I've tho-a. I've to tho-a. I've tho-a' tho-I. I've tho-I. I'm tho' theat thought, have we had any of those people on? Denise Welsh? I don't think she was there, no. Well, yeah, it's a weird sort of cultural thing of, I think, with certain podcasts, if you've got to go into London and you're sat in a sort of makeshift

studio and they film you, yeah. I feel like you're not paid to go on Radio 2 or Sunday brunch whatever. You're doing it for promo, right? Exactly. And if you won't do it, because you have to be paid, then we'll get someone else. Exactly. I think we're trying to bring people up here, Josh. No, but I do think it is a bit cheeky because it's sort of like a TV show hidden.

Could you just record this for our patrons? You're like, you fucking kidding me? Well, I went on to a radio show and I went, can you just record this for me? And it was like, you're listening to the so-and-so breakfast show sponsored by the company. And then after that, some like, they're like, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, th, th, th, th, th. th. th. th. thi, like, like, like, like, like, mate, without getting a bit of, give me a bit of fucking... Came in a bit of the old greenback. Slick with a bit of chinchin, chinchinchilla. Cheddar, I'm trying to say cheddar, is that only bad. I'm going to say cheddar and I said chinchin chilla. Give me a thigh of a couple of Chris ones, boy? Yeah.

Right, here is Lily Allen. It's a great episode. Enjoy. Lily Allen. Hello. Hello. How are you? I'm good. How are you? We're very good. Thank you for doing. Oh shit. We've already thank you off to do it one more time. I'm gonna have to be honest with you Lily the li li li li li li li li li li li li li li li li li li li li li li li li li li li li li li li li li li li li li li li li li li li. to be. to be. to be. to be. to be. to be. to be. to be. to to th. th. th. th. th. th. to th is. th is is. th is is is is. th is is. th is. th is. th is. th is. th is. th is. th is. th is. th is. th is. th is is. th is is. th is. th is. th is. th is. th is. th is. to to th. to to to to to th. to to th. th. to to th. th. to to th. to to thi. to thi. to to thi. to to thi. to thi. to thi. to thi. thi. thi is thi is thi is thi is air too many times. I told you if you do it one more time, I'm gonna get, I'm gonna go.

I'm gonna have to be honest with you, Lily. Josh is a really big fan. I'm a big fan of your music to the level. Yeah, but it's a bit too much of a fan. If I ever make a playlist for someone, I'll always put the classics can you? You've got to show that you're kind of you've got to give them a curveball right when you're making playlists? Deep cuts of Lily Allen. Yeah so Josh what I would say is he has to get it out early doors or otherwise it's he keeps

saying thank you. If I'm a big fan of. You know what this is reminding me the other day I was on holiday in Kenya and we ran into do you know the artist Jack Pignati? Oh yeah of course yeah. Was it to' on the platform? Is that what that is song? Yeah and he was talking, I was talking about the olden days and he was like, he was to' the olden days and he was like, you're the to say, to say, to say, to say, to say, to say, to say, to say, to thin, thin, thi the thin, thin, thin, the the thin, they they they they, thi, their, their, their, the artist, the artist, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, the artist, the artist, the artist, the artist, the artist, the artist, the artist, the artist, the artist.. the artist. the artist. the artist. the artist. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. Do, th. Do, thi, thi, thi, thi, tha, tha, tha, tha, tha', tha', the. Do, the. Do, the. Do, tha, the tha' a, th of my first gigs? And I was like, oh my God, you're such a fan. Like, I can't believe you came to those shows and it was like, I was supporting you, you morrow. I was like, no, awkward. Awkaw. And you just sat on a land rover in Kenya.

Yeah, we just sat on a land rover in Kenya. We ran into him in a hotel on this island, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the thoomenera, thoom. I thoes, thoom. I'm thoom. I'm to to come to come to come to come to come to come to come to come to come. I to come. I tooes, tooes, tooes, tooes, tooes, to to to to to to to to to to thoes, thoes, toy. I toy. I toyn, toes, toes, toes, toes. I toes. I was toes. I was tttttttttttttto ttttto tttto. I was to. I was. into Jack Pinyarty in Kenya? Yeah, we ran into him in a hotel on this island called Lamu. Oh wow. If you're not in Kenya for the safari what's happening in Kenya? Why is it? Why are you going there on holiday? I've not heard of it other than Safari? You know what? I went there to meet Miquita Oliver, my co-host of my podcast. Yeah, miss me? th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. theeeea. to to to to to to theeea. thea. thea segue into the promo? Yeah, I made it up. I'm getting good at this. No, I had been to India with my husband for Christmas because my ex-husband had my children. So we planned this trip for ages and we got there and it was really cold, right? Because we forgot to check what hemisphere it was in. Yeah, I just sort of imagined India's whole all the time, but it's not it.

Yeah, right? So I went there for 10 days and then I got back and felt like I hadn't really been on a holiday but I had to wait around because we were applying for our green cards and so we were like waiting for our passports to come back. And Makita was on holiday with her mom in Kenya and I was jealous so I literally just booked a ticket I didn't even ask her and then I just turned up. Just turned up? Yeah. No I did actually call her I said would you mind if I booked a ticket came and joined you and she said no not at all that would be great and I said good because I've already done it so was

that T4 on the Kenyan beach exactly exactly you've got two children for our listeners you got two children you'd the to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to their to to their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. I their their their their their their their their their their te. I te. I te. I te. I te. I te. I te. I te. I te. I te. I just just just just just just just their their their the, a little reunion. Exactly. You've got two children. Last one of my chest, yeah. For our listeners, you've got two children, you live in America, right? I do, yeah. How old are they? So, 11 and 12? Right, oh, so near teenager. Okay, that awkward.

Do they hate you heading towards the transition. Right, yeah. One of them is very cuddly, the younger one. The other one's not so cuddly, but adores me and is obsessed with me. So I am not there yet. It's funny because the younger one is like, you can tell that she wants to be a grown-up, but she also really still like craves the cuddle like wants to call into then and watch TV and she's still a baby. And what's it like moving to them to America? Is it a different parenting culture over there or is it? Is it a different parenting culture? I mean there's a lot of focus on playdates

in America which is like a bit different. I feel like in England having your friend over for tea is something that happens like once every couple of weeks or something maybe? the the the th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi thi the the thi. thi. Is it's their their their their their. Is it's is their. Is it's is their. Is it is their. Is it is their. Is it. Is it. Is it is their. Is it. Is it. Is it. Is it. Is i. Is i. Is, th. Is, th. Is, th. Is, th. Is, th. Is, th. Is, th. Is, th. Is it's, their, their, their, their, their, is, is, is, is, is, is, is a the the the the the the the their, is, is a their, is a their, is a their, is it is it is it something maybe. Whereas they seem to have play dates like every effing day. And do you have to be there as much bonding for the parents as the kids, or do you just drop them off at the door and then go to the shops for a couple of hours? Or do you have to be there as well? Usually it will be if they're going to someone else's house then, then. I thought the way you said it was felt like you had to be friends with the parents as well, which I find quite overwhelming. I don't really mind.

I kind of keep the arm's length, you know? But you want to see the house they're going, don't you? You want to be able To know where they're going? I'm like, hmm. I think we all do that. You want to know where your kid is, don't you? And I'm like, Marnie, what does Jennifer's parents do? On Zupla. Oh, I love a Zupla. How have they got a five-bedroom town? Yeah. I think everyone does that you can't help it can you it's bad I think it's just intrigue I'm the same if they're going for a hundred percent yeah I'll get the address and I'll pick them up

their yeah and then you like let's have a look at that and then you go oh blah blah one million they pay for that last year what does he do well when they turn up in a flash they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they th th th th they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they to to to to to to try try try try try try try to try to to th thy the tho the the they they they they they they they they turn up in a flash car you're like, okay. Well what I'm really intriguing is the super flash car modest house or modest car mental house. I'm like what's going on here? Well really rich people don't do things like buy flash cars or fancy clothes. Yeah that's what they say about the experts on succession said the people won't actually have that good a furnished house or stuff because they're not not like they they're they're they're not they're not they're they're not they're they're they're they're they're not they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're th th th their to to to to to their to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to their their their their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their their their their their their their their they. their their the. the. the. the. thea. thea. thea. thea. thea. that's thea. thea. the. the. the. the. their won't actually have that good of furnished house or stuff because they're not like that. They're not into it. And for your kids in New York, Lily Allen being their mom, is that a non-event there, whereas in this country,

if Lily Allen is your mom, that's a huge deal, what's it more like in New York? Is it a bit more? I wouldn't say I'm a non-event. But you know what I mean? It's not, you know, as being in London where you grew up, Jack Penaire A coming in the school going. Yeah, I mean, you know what, actually now, I mean, there are kids that do know who I am at their school, like, you know, sometimes when I've walked them home, like, they'll be like a little group of girls that sort of follow us and then they sort of stare at me at the zebra crossing........ And, thapapapapapapapapapap an th. And th. And th. And th. And th. And th. And th. And th. And thi. And thi. And thi. And thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. they're thi. they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're to to they're to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to their. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. their. their, their, their, th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. the. to to to to to their. to their, their their. their. their. their. to. to. to. their, their. the me at the zebra crossing. And you're wearing a big dress and trainers obviously? Obviously, yeah. I think you're not wearing, yeah. They don't really, although my oldest one,

sometimes I catch her listening to my music in her room. Oh, do you? Yeah, it's quite sweet. And you know, now there seems to be like every so often one of my songs like has a bit a a a a that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that. You know that's quite fun when that happens. And at Christmas when your Keene cover is all is everywhere. Do they listen to that? A fan of that song are you? No, you're not. Leediz doesn't like that song. I do like the song and when it's sung by Keene, but not me. It is very annoying. No we do not listen to that song in my house. We don't listen to any of the out of music in my house. I've never been like, well, actually, I lie.

Back in the day, when I used to drink, the things, the trade, when I used to drink and do whatever else, then, yeah, you know, I'd be like, haven't listened to this verse. It's genius. If it makes feel better, Lily, you're winning. I know where this is going. Josh, this is unfair. He wrote a book about 90s TV, and he once started reading out pattages of it.

Growing up in the 90s. In the green room of this. And long story short, I don't drink anymore. Yeah. Do you know what? It's funny because in England, we're not meant to do that sort of thing. Yeah. In America, you would be expected to do that.

And that was celebrated. Yeah. And that's one of the reasons that I sort of live there. for people. You don't, people don't cut you down for being like proud of your accomplishments. They tend to lift you up. It gets a bit nauseating sometimes, but I think it's not the whole. It's a good way way more positive and everyone's sort of like enthusiastic for other people where Britain does want to drag you down. But I do think, you know, you've worked hard all day on producing the last leg. As a runner, the last thing you need is Josh. It wasn't a runner, Rob, it was someone I was giving the book to, because they'd asked her a copy. But in fact, I've got, before I give this to you, yeah, I've signed it, don't worry about that. Let me read a bit. I was just, do you know what I, do what, do, do what, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, the the the the the the the the the the the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the the the the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. It, th. It, thro, thro, thro, thro. throoo, thoo. thoooo. the. It, thro. It should be ashamed of everything I've done in my life, Rob.

Like all good English people. Exactly. So do you find that there's a different culture in the schools and stuff over there? Is it much more kind of, there isn't that kind of enforced humbleness that we have then? What you mean like in their style of teaching? Or just in terms of the kids the kids the kids their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their, their, their, their, thii. thiolk. to be, to be, to be, to be, tooom. thiolk. tooomb. tooomb. tooomfoomach. tooom. tooom. tooom. to, to, to, to, to be. tooom... tooom.... to.... to, to, to........ to, to, to.. to. too. too. t. t. t. tttt t t t t tttt tooomorrow, tooomorrow, tooomorrow, tooomorrow, tooomorrow, tooomorrow, tooomb. tooomorrow, tooomorrow, tooomorrow, tooomorrow, terms of the kids and the culture over there, like is it much more like proud of themselves much more kind of positive? Is that does that come down? Yeah I think so. I think it is. I think there's

a lot more encouragement and also not being ashamed of your failures like people really seem to be into the idea of that you know failure to that. Yeah whereas in England it's the the their their their their their their their their the failure the failure the failure the failure the failure the failure the failure the failure the failure the failure the failure the failure the failure the failure the failure to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be their failure failure to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be the idea the idea the idea failure failure failure. the idea failure. the idea failure failure failure failure failure failure failure failure failure failure failure failure failure failure failure failure failure failure failure failure failure failure failure failure failure failure failure failure the failure the failure the failure things. Whereas in England it's like no you're not good at that move on do something else whereas in America it's like you know what did you learn from that? The neighbors was on twice a day that's what I learned from Josh's book. I think you just need to move on Rob. No no we're learning from your failure come on let's let's dive into it. Let's be American about this. Well, no, because I imagine that for you when you was growing up, as a teenage you wanted to make music, it's way harsher here in the UK with doing that.

People are a bit like, oh, she must think she's this and that because she wants to be a musician. shocked when I became quite successful relatively overnight and the reason they were shocked is because I didn't tell anyone what I was doing. I never really made anyone my music. I never really like no one even knew that I like had amassed an album's worth of music. So everyone was like, what do you mean she's number one in the charts? I didn't even know she sang. The things that I didn't tell people what I was doing was because I was so scared of people th. th. th. I're not a singer. That's mad, isn't it, that you're working really hard at that and you're a proper good singer, right? So you're... I'll stop me there. Well, get back to New y'all. We need to send you back. You're coming to English again. No, I don't think that I'm a good singer. I think I'm a good writer. Do you not think you're a good singer?

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It's not really nicotine, it's more sugar. So, what is your answer then when they go, well, you didn't finish school, why have I got to do my school work? Because that's going to be thrown at to be you finish school and you go to college, it gives you more opportunities. I was like, you know, you might be convinced that what you want to be as a gymnast right now, and that's great, but it might, you know, you might break your leg when you're 19 years old and not be able to do gymnastics anymore. So wouldn't it be good to be able to pivot and say, well, where does it lead you? Yeah. I don't know, actually. The classics.

The classics. I don't know, where does that lead you? I mean, I guess. Being an academic, I suppose. You can be Mary Beard. Yeah. No, I say that because one of my kids is really into the Greek mythology, so that's good. Do you respect Miquita Oliver having a that that that that that having a dog for one night and telling her mom that she now gets it? What parenting's like?

I mean I respect it because it's so outrageous. But I have to respect the ridiculous of it to a certain extent but yeah it's it's not the same kids sorry. So your podcast you do with Makita is sort of you catch enough as friends like on the on the show so you must be living very different lives in you're in New York with these two kids that you're sit down in homework doing play dates and sort of she hasn't got a dog and she also loves being lifted really high and fed peas we found out out a minute ago. She does love being up high and she loves. That's true. So it's like, you know, obviously your mates forever and you get on,

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because you want to be present for the kids. Has that been a bit of a conflict? Because we have a lot of, because that's been a difficult sort of way, the thing to juggle. I mean, I think it's, yeah, it is. I'm not gonna like beat around the bush. It is hard, yeah. It's difficult for me because I work in the creative industries and usually, you know, with creativity, it's not like something comes to you between the hours of 10, 30 and 3 o'clock in the afternoon. You know, actually, in terms of like working hours in the studio, it tends that sessions

usually are in the afternoon going into the nighttime. So it's been hard in that sense, and that's just the creative process. Then there's talk about touring. I mean, it's impossible. So, yeah, it has negatively impacted what I did the goalpost. But I've sort of the the the know now I did a play three years ago which I got nominated for an Olivier Force and then I did a TV series in called Dreamland for Sky and then last summer I did another play called the Pillar Man so I tend to be a mom from like September to June

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when they've got no correlation. So it's like, you know, you're doing something that happened three weeks ago and then you're doing something that's more current. It's just, I find that sort of bittyness of shooting drama and TV a bit discombobulating, but I like the people and I like how nice I look after the grade. It's very slow, isn't it, filming for TV? Like it just, so much of it's just sitting around kind of not being engaged, and then suddenly you have to be really engaged with what you're doing. Yeah. And I also feel just like my, it's in my nature to feel like I have to like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like to like to like to like to like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, like, to, to, like, to like, to like, to like, like, I also feel just like my it's in my nature to feel like I have to like entertain all the time. So when the you know when you're like waiting around in your trailer and I just feel like the court

gesture I'm like, I don't know an anecdote. Make everyone laugh and it's a bit exhausting. Yeah, me and me and you're both the same like that. You have to just take yourself away and just hide really in the dressing room or otherwise I'm constantly trying to be everyone's best friend. So everyone goes, well he was lovely, he was shit because he was exhausted by the time you had to film anything, but weren't he a good laugh at the canteen? Oh he was great fun over lunch wasn't he? But I learned that when I went on tour with you Rob that you basically took basically to basically to basically to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to basically to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the to to to their to their their their their their s s their you was like I was like I was like I was like I was like I was like I was like I was like I was like I was like I was like I was like I was like I was like I was like I was like I was like I was like I was like I was like I was like I was like I was like I was like I was like I was to s.. I was to steal to steal to steal s. I was to steal s. I was to s. I was to s the the the the the the the the the the the the the to to to to too. to the to the to to to the the to the they. they. their s. their si. I was liked. I was like they. I was the then that didn't work out for you so you just started reading excerpts of your book. That was beforehand! It's all been a journey! It's all been a journey. Your kids listen to some of your songs in their bedroom and that getting to know what you've put out. Obviously you've written your book which I thought was amazing book that you wrote but you've spake to their thoub their things to thoomom. thi. to be. to be, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, thou, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, some of it's quite heartbreaking some of the stuff you're reading there. And, you know, I don't know you, but if they get to that age where they're gonna want to read it,

and it'll be some quite heartbreaking stuff. Are you worried about them reading that book or? No, I think that like, honestly is the best policy, right? And I think that that that that that that they they they they are probably they are probably they are probably that they are probably probably probably probably probably that that that they are probably probably probably probably probably probably probably probably probably probably probably probably probably probably probably probably probably probably that that that their probably probably probably their probably their probably their probably probably, to get to get their probably, to get to a probably probably, to a to a to a to a to a to a to a to get to get to get their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, that's, their, that's, that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's their the in their life where they'll want to read that book and it will hopefully make sense of their world a little bit more. They'll be like, oh I realize why she's such a fucking psychopath in that area. Or you know, I realize why she couldn't do this or she was like, you know, there were sort of shortcomings at this, you know, there'd be things that the puzzle will start to make sense for them. I hope.

I mean, that was one of the reasons that I sort of wrote it, was because A, I've got a really bad memory, and there's so much from that period in my life that is documented, that isn't true. And so I wanted to have something that they could refer to that was like my version of events in case something happened to me, you know, because if I got hit by a car or something, I didn't want them to be like sifting through daily mail articles to find out how mummy was. And that's what's out there, right? So it felt like I'll write a book and they can have that, which is my truth. It's one of the best sort of biographies I've read in years. Oh, it's incredible. And there's some bits in it that are just kind of mind-blowing about you growing up, like

the bit where the bus turns up to bring you back from school and there's no one there and so you go get taken back to Cheltenham or wherever it was. Somerset. Somerset, even further. Oh, even further. Does a lot of that stuff really inform what you that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, to to to thi, thi, thi, to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to th, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, th, th, th, th, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, tu is tu is tu is tu., te, te, te, te is te is te is tea, tea, tea, tea, tea, tea, tea, t don't want my children to have those same experiences that I had? Absolutely. I mean I can't even like fathom the idea of that happening to one of my kids I just wouldn't, I just wouldn't, it just wouldn't happen. Yeah, it's just so. Yeah, it's just so. But listen, you know, it wasn't my mom's fault. My mom sent somebody to pick me up and it was the fuck up.

So, but you know, she didn't know that that person was quite irresponsible. So I guess it was sort of a little bit of her fault. But yeah, you know, that, those things like that left a real mark. And I, you know, listen, I'm not there at the school gates every day. I do have a nanny that helps me out, but you know, I'm there for every, you know, sports day, I'm there for every parents evening, I'm going to do homework, I cook them dinner like at least three or four times a week and we all sit around the table and I make a Sunday roast every Sunday without fail. So I also just can't even imagine, I can't really imagine sending them to boarding school to be the the their...... their. their. their. their. their. their. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I their. I'm their. I'm their. I'm their. I'm their their to to to their. I'm just their to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to their. I's their. I's their. I's their. I's their. I's their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their theaugheats. I'm toeats. I'm toeats. I's to toeats, to be honest. I think it's such a weird concept, boarding school. Yeah, I can never get my head round it. No, it's bizarre. Have you spoken to them about it, or are they too young and would you speak to them about your kind of things you went through growing up? Sometimes, you know, my kids are really good at expressing themselves emotionally,

and sometimes they will say things and I will get really emotional because I still not particularly good at naming my emotions and being able to talk about how I'm feeling. And so, you know, sometimes, you know, I'll get really emotional and Marnie will be like, what's wrong, mommy? And I'll be like, oh, I'm just really proud of you that you're able to express yourself in that way, thrown. Because me and my mom never spoke to me, and I, to, to, to, to, they, to, to, to, to, to, they, they, to, they, to, they, their, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, I, I, I'm, I'm, I, I, I'm, thi, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I'm, I'm, I'm, and, they... And, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, t t t ta.a.a.a.a.a. And, t t t t thi, thi, to each other and the way that you speak to me and it makes me really happy and I'm just really proud. So they get like little, you know,

I don't really give them like a sob story. I get that sometimes if certain things happen at their school or they say something to me or they say something to me that they're so flippant and I Ithe time would have completely broken me and like I would have been a mess with it but probably wouldn't have told anyone and they tell me that they've done it then I'll just like not burst into this but I will start visibly getting emotional and upset and I can't explain to them why but they're. But it just sort of takes you to to to to to to their to their their their to their their to their to their their th you to thi thi thi thi. takes to thi. to to to to their to their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their. their tell. tell. tell. tell. try. tell me me and try. tell. tell. tell me me and tell me and tell me and tell me tell me they're they're their they're the stuff that happened as a kid, but when your children are going through those developmental stages in those years, you automatically think of yourself

as an 11-year-old and what was going on. And I think that's quite hard to process as a parent sometimes. Yeah. We asked Andy and Makita if they had a question to ask you when we interviewed them. And they said, did having kids make you more empathetic to what to what to what to what to what to what to what to what their their the interviewed them and they said did having kids make you more empathetic to what Andy and Allison were like as parents when you and Makita were growing up? No. Perfect answer that's all we needed. And you knew Makita from when trying to be... I think there's more Josh I think you should give a do shut up for a second. That's all we needed? Um, no. And you knew Makita from when...

I tried to move it. I think there's more, Josh. I think you should do a Louis Thru. Shut up for a second. Lui Thru would have absolutely silenced that out, wouldn't he? I'll Louis Thru this. I'm going to go make a cup of tea. Just keep thank you, thank Lily L Lily Lily Lily Lily Lily Lily Lily Lily Lily Lily for Lily for Lily for Lily for Lily for Lily for Lily for Lily for Lily for Lily for Lily for Lily for Lily for Lily for Lily for Lily for Lily for Lily for Lily for Lily for Lily for thi for thi for thi for thi for thi for thi for thi for to to to to to to to thi for thi for thi for thi for to to to thi to to thi to thi thi thi thi thi thi thu for thu for thu for thu for thu for thu thu for thu thu thu for thu for thu for thi for thi for thi for thi for thi for thi for thi for thi for thi for thi for thi for thi for thi for coming thi for coming for coming for coming for coming for coming for coming for coming to just whip the book out and read the passage. So the answer is no then Lily we can report back to Andy and

McKee. Listen I think that like it was a very different time right the 80s and I think you know my mom had my sister when she was 17 and then had two more kids by the time she was 24 and she'd not come from money my mom you know she came from a very work-class class th to th to to to to to to to to to th class and to to the to the the th class and to the the the the their their th class and their their their their their their their their their their their their their. their. I'm their. I'm their. I'm their. I'm their their. I their. I their. I the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the come from money, my mom. She came from a very working class family in Portsmouth. And she made her way to London with one kid under her arm and put herself through university and then became a film producer and won an Oscar, got nominated for an Oscar by the time she was 30. Wow.

It was a single parent. Like, I mean, that is incredible achievement. Did it have an effect on us as children? Yes, it did. Do I hold that against her? No, I don't, although it was pretty painful at the time. But I think, you know, it was a different time. Like, she could do that because she had more support from the community around her. Like, Andy, I used to go and stay with her for like weeks at a time when my mom was off working, like people pitched in and they helped. And I just don't think that that kind of thing is available to us now.

And so I had to make more sacrifices because I didn't have that village in the same sense that they had the village. So I had to make a concerted decision to sort of step back from what it was that I was doing in order to be present and to not have my kids, you know, go to boarding school and be left standing on their own outside, you know, a bus station. So I just, it's, we're different people, but do I feel more empathetic? No, I feel jealous because they had it easier. You've known Makita since you were, well, you were since you're like, your whole lives? And so, what was it like when Makita became famous on Pop World in the year 2000? She's given us her side of how it affected your relationship for a few years. Yeah, I'm trying to.

We want to hear yours first. How did it make me feel? I was just really proud of her. I was just really proud of her. You know? And that was it. There was no other th th th th th th the th the th th was the coffee form, you know? Yeah, and that was it. There's no other sort of like, you know, any other jealousy feelings popping to your head at any point? No, I was just like, good, nice try. I'm going to win this one.

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I'm a little bit tabloid for a I mean tabloid podcast fodder has it changed our relationship with the working thing no not really I think do you know what, actually, and this is a bit like weepy. But last week, or the week before last, you touched on it a little bit before Rob about that story that came out about the parenting and having to step back. And it was, you know, I made a joke in an interview and it got completely taken out of context and weaponized and used against me and my kids and it was really painful. But you know I'm quite used to that happening to me and I when things like go viral or explode or on the front cover of the newspapers I tend to like shut down and go to ground because

it's not really something that anybody can understand. It's such a unique experience. Yeah, that sort of monstering that happens. But because it was something that anybody can understand. It's such a unique experience. That sort of monstering that happens. But because it was something that happened with Makita, I was able to sort of talk to her and we've sort of set up a system in which for me to feel more protected in those situations. And I've never had that in 20 years and doing what I do. And so, you know, I had to call her up and she, she, I, I, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, like, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, th.a, to, th.a, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, know I had to call her up and you know she like

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shocked. She was like, I kind of, she said, I knew that you'd been going through this stuff, but also I hadn't seen it in real time. I th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. to, th. th. to, thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, I'm, I'm, I'm, I. I. I. I. I. I'm, I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, like, I'm, like, I'm, I'm, I'm, thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. I thi. I thi. I time. Like I thought you were sort of like courting that controversy and she was like, I can see now that you could be. Well, that was a throwaway comment really in a tongue in cheek. And that's just my personality and it's always used against me. Listeners sometimes when I've done stuff that I shouldn't have done, but this is not one of those occasions. She was like, do you th, do like, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, th... that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that's, that's, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a.. that's a. that's a. taken out context and news against me like that I would just be shut I just wouldn't talk and I was like well that's what I do when it happens I'd switch my phone off and I like bury myself so it's really nice to have

someone else experience it with yeah well also with the podcast you have your own actual right of reply so it's not in an interview someone. If anyone goes, hang on what was that? They can hear the podcast and hear that it was a throwaway comment. But it is a fair thing to say, I work less now and I miss out on lots of opportunities because I've chosen to be at home with the kids more. Yeah. I want to be at home more. It's not me because they're stop it and they're stopping the same. the same. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the. It. It. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's the. It's a the. It's a the. It's a the. It's a the. It's a the. It's a the. It's a the. It's a the. It's a the. It's a the. It's a the. It's a the. It's a the. It's a the. It's a the. It's a the. It's a the. It's the. It's the. It's a the. It's a the. It's a the. It's a the. It's a thrown. I. I's a throoooooooooooooooooooooooooe. I thea. I thea. I thea. I the. I the. I th now with like Instagram or a podcast people can at least go to the source now and go hang on oh no actually it was and anyone that just reads a headlon and believes it there's nothing you can do or say to convince him otherwise anyway they're lunatic. Whereas most normal sane people. There's this one person, this like one troll that is obsessed with David and my husband David and hates the fact that he married me and she's like, she's just shitposts everywhere all over the internet. And me and David set up a production company and named it after her.

We just thought, she'll be so utterly confused. Her name comes up like this creepy. Brunt to you by. Did you so spin her out. Whatink to you by. Did you so spin her out? She was what happened to you? And we were talking to Mankita because it happened to her as well. It was fucking awful the way you guys were treated, particularly in that period of 2000s and kind of,

when you were kind of really young and famous and it was just thrown on you. If your kids got in a position where they were like wanted to be in the public eye or anything, would you think twice about stuff like that because of the way you were treated? I mean, I'm not in control of them, you know? I'm, I can facilitate things for them and I can be like shoulder for them,

and something for me to bounce ideas off of, but if they want to do that, it's not my decision. No, of course. They do something or not. So if they wanted to go down that route, all I could do was like share my experiences with them and give them information that would be valuable in that situation. But you know, I'm not really one of these like tiger mums or like, you know, I want my kid to be a lawyer or a doctor or Not about that. I want them to find out who they are and to do something that they love Hopefully, you know, I'm very privileged and I have enough money to provide them with lots of different

opportunities and I will do that and hopefully they'll discover something that really gets them going and they'll be able to make money out of it, you know? You did find something you loved with music and stuff, but you had issues with record companies and we've chatted before about releasing songs you may not have wanted to release and being creative of stuff like that. If they were to get into music, what advice would you give, or any young sort of female in the music industry that's got an album of stuff that they love and love writing and performing? Like it feels like a very complicated murky world of the music industry.

Yeah. What advice would you give to any young girls going into it like you were at that age? Hmm. I mean, it's a big question, but it feels like, you saw the best and the worst of it. I'd say don't rush into like any relationship with a record company or with the manager, like you've got the rest of your life. So just be really comfortable with the people that you're surrounding yourself with. And I'd say lawyer, manager, and accountant.

Those are the three that you want to watch out for. And also the three you need. Yeah, that's the problem the problem, the problem, the problem, the problem, the three that you want to watch out for. And also the three you need. Yeah, that's the problem, isn't it? You've got to get one but a good one. Yeah. A record company, I don't even think you really need anymore. So I wouldn't, I wouldn't bother with that. So yeah, just good lawyer, good manager, good accountant.

I think it's hard like your your dad was sort of well known and stuff but you say your mom also well known but came from a very humble working class background so she's like got to 30 been nominated for an Oscar got three kids sort of bringing them up on her own with help from friends and stuff like that she was probably still trying to work out what's the best way to do deal with money what's the best lawyer to have and stuff like that so it's like the the the best the best the best the best the best the best the best the best the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th th th th th th th th. the the the the the. the the the to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to be to to be to be to to be to be to to to to to to to to to to to to to th. th. th. th. th. the the the the. the. the the. the the the the the the the the the. theeeeeeee. theeeee. theee. theeeeeeeeeeeean. toe. to to the to to toe lawyer to have and stuff like that. So it's like you weren't even though you sort of had well-known parents, you there wasn't like a sort of an established set of like, this is what you do, this is what you need to do with your money, you were sort of learning as you went along.

Yeah, and also I had quite complicated relationship with that. We don't really talk about like played my music to my music or like ask them for their feedback. It felt like too vulnerable to be like mom like do you think this person is a good lawyer like I just I was like I've got this thanks no right yeah so that is more the relationship that we have weird question I got an email from Harry Enfield really You did not get a Harry in Enfield. No, no, Harry, no, no. So Harry Emfield comes out of your book.

Got a question from Harry Enfield, yeah. So Harry Eamfield comes out of your book very, very well, right? I got an email about a month ago from Harry Enfield, who I've never met, who tracked me down and it was a picture of his I don't his mom's neighbor who has apparently related to me it's quite a weird email to receive. Yeah if you started drinking again Josh what's going on? What was he what was it required a response? Yeah well I thought it did because he'd contacted me out of nowhere to say, look at this picture of this person who's related to you.

Right. Are they related to you? Yeah, because they're related to someone who I did, who do you think you are? And they're from that same family line, right? I was going to, that's what I was worried about What do you mean the really bad stuff? Well, you know if members of your family done stuff? Well, you can't get much worse than mine. Mine was sort of violent criminals. Oh, nice. But they sort of knew what they were getting into So there's a picture of him. the the the the their they they they they they they they they they they they they they're they're they're they're their. their. they're their. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. they're they're they're they're thi. thi. thi. thi. they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're th. they're th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. their. their their their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. th. th. th. th. th. th. the. the. the. the. the. the. I theeeee. I the. I the. I the. I the. I the. I the. I the. I th. I thought it was quite weird that he'd emailed me but I sent him back a like an email thanking him, quite a gushing email as you can imagine. He didn't say thank you for emailing me three times did you like? You send him your book as an attachment? No I did.

It's a little video of you reading your book out to our own book. Come on now. And then um he's ghosted me he's ghosted me. heared. heared. heared. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's a the heed. He's. He's a heed. He's a heed. He's a heed. He's a heed. He's a heed. He's a heed. He's a heed. He's a th. He's a heed. He's heed. He's heed. He's. He's. He's heed. He's heed. He's th. He's th. He's a th. He's a th. He's a th. He's. He's. He's a th. He's a th. He's a th. He's a th. He's a th. He's a th. He's a th. He's a th. He's a th. He's a th. He's a th. He's th. He's th. He's th. He's th. He's th. He's th. He's thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi. He's thi. He's th. He's ghosted me. He's ghosted me in the first place. Oh please can we hear you gush? I texted me and say can you email him back? What did you send back to Harry Enfield? Was it overly, I bet it was really gushing? Take a picture of you and send it to him now. I said, look, here's my neighbor. I said, hi, Harry, thank you for your lovely and unexpected message. Lovely to hear there th h th h th Harry th h th h th Harry th h th Harry th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho- tho- tho than thi tho- tho- to to to to to to tho- tho- tho- tho-hea tho-hea tho-hea tho tho tho tho tho than than than than than than than than than than than, than, than, than, than than, than, than, than, than, than, than, than, than, than, than, than, to say to to to to to to to than, to to to than, than, than. than, than, than, than, thank you for your lovely and unexpected message. Lovely to hear there are more people from the Bering's Bank. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

Hope you don't mind me take the opportunity to say, I'm this huge fan of you and Harry Emfield and Trump's one of the first things that made me realize comedy could be as exciting as music and football. So genuinely, that you wanted a response you should have put a question in there I know I just I well I didn't what was it yeah so there we go P.S please reply are you a big fan of mine yeah just emailing that go Harry I forgot to ask are you a big fan of mine also and does my work excite you? Or do you feel comedy as a whole isn't what it was in your day?

And when I hear that I inspired people like you, it makes me wish I did something else. Lol. Yeah, lull. Yeah, lull. Yeah, lulled. Yeah, lulled. Lulli, your podcast missed me. So is it out once a week, twice a week?

Yeah, we have. I have listened to it. I have to listen. I. I. I. I. I. I. to it. to it. to it. to it. to it. to it. to it. L. L. L. L. L. L. L. L. L. L. L. L. L. L. L. L. L. L. L. L. L. L. L. L. L. L. th. th. Lo. Lo. th. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. L. L. L. L. L. L. L. L. L. L. L. L. L. L. L. L. L. L. L. L. L. L. L. L. L. L. L. L. L. L. L. L. L. L. L. L. L. L. L. L. L. L. L. L. L. L. L. L. L. L. L. L. L. L. L. L. L. L. I, th. I, th. L. L. L. I, th. L. I, th. L. L. L. L. L. L. L. L. I, th. L. L. L. L. L. L. Yeah, we have. I have listened to it. I've enjoyed it. I'm enjoying it. This is the best thing when someone comes on to promote a podcast because you can actually listen to it. When they're promoting a book, you have to pretend. It's an absolute nigham. That's an absolute nighamer. I read your book. fucking shit and that's including the ones we've promoed on here but it's just how the world works. The amount of people I've said you should read Lily Allen's

book it's fucking insane it's amazing like as an autobiography it's it's such a page I know you're not on there to promote this but bloody out what a page turner yeah was it difficult to do the audio books it's so intense at points yeah yeah I read the audio book. I had to be, like, completely disassociate. I was like, oh, oh. You like to do this because it's too much. No Olivia award for that performance. No.

That bit about being left at the bus stop, though, to read that out loud, that must have been very difficult Yeah well I think it's you know whatever happened then you've been such a great mom now and it you can tell that even just I'd do a Sunday roast every Sunday you've built structure into your kids life that maybe you didn't have enough of growing up and it's real testament to you because you know you can go one way or the other can't you with those kind of things and I think you're doing brilliantly so so so so th so th so th so th so th so th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th thin thin thin thin thin thin thin thin thin thin thin' thin' th th th th th th th th thin th th thin thin th th th th th th th th they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they thin they thin thin thin thin thin thin thi thi to to to to thi to to thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi stupid headlines. It's a close shave. I'm very nearly nearly. Yeah, very nearly. You weren't far off to be fair for a couple of years, great area. It's fair. Thank you for doing the podcast. And people can get Miss Me on all podcast platforms, etc. can, can. And it's

BBC Sounds one, isn't it? So when you want to earn a bit more money, come with us. We'll sort it out. Yeah. I mean, we'll send you a new year. Yeah. Do a Louis Faro. Cheers, Lily. Thank you.

Oh, sorry. Why do you? You needy, little rat? I'm just polite. What is wrong with me? Just send me some flowers. There go. Yeah, send Lily some flowers. All right. Cheers Ellie. See you later. Cheers, bye. Bye. Bye. Thanks. Bye. Bye.

Bye. I love Lily Allen. What a legend. She's great. She gets so unfairly treated, I think in the press. And she's trying to do the right thing of,t- Right, listen to her podcast. Miss me? Josh, I think you're in love with Lily Allen. I think she's a national treasure. I know, but you did say thanks a lot. Do you know what I mean? to be prickly, don't it?

I actually think it's less that I'm in love with Lily Allen, and more that when someone's got a reputation reputation's th th th. of being opinionated. Yeah. Do you know what I mean? Could be prickly in the past. Yeah, could be prickly in the past. Prickly in the past has me, Josh Ruddakum. Well, I interview people that used to be prickly in interviews. Prickly in the past of me, Josh Rudolah. Well, this is where we look back at hold interviews of celebrities with a bit prickly. Meg Ryan what was going on with Parkinson that time? Bruce Gravola! Michael if you could put a pitch doc together

for prickly in the past will be... It's a great idea actually. Who are you booking for prickly in the past? So what you do for prickly in the past is you and someone you and you talk about someone and then you get that person on and you talk about someone and the interview and then you get that person on and you play the interview to him and then you talk it through them so Meg Ryan, John, John, John, John, I think it's a bit soon on John Squire two weeks on. John, you used to be prickly in the past, a week, in the past, a week and a week. A week, prickly in the past, a week, a week, a week, a week, a week, a week, a week, so a week, so a week, so a week, so a week, so a to, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, and a to. And, and a th. And, and a to. And so, and so, and a to to to, and so, and so, and so, and so, and a to, and a to, and a to, and a to. And, and a to. And, and a. And, and a. And, and a. And, and a. And, and. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. the past to me, I'll tell you that for free. We'll be back next week, prickly in the past will be available on Wednesday, this will be available on Tuesday and Friday. That's a great premise, someone's gonna do prickly in the past. Yeah, miss me with Lily and Makita is on all your podcast platforms. It's, I mean, to show we're supporting it. It's the first thing where we've done two weeks of promo in a row. Loved it. Right, see later mate. Bye.

today. Bye. Hello, I'm Marcus Briggsstock. And I'm Rachel Paris. This is How was it for you? A review-based podcast. We're going to be asking each other. How was it for you?

It was pretty good, Rachel. About all sorts of different things. Things we've eaten? Things we've seen. Places we've been. Things we've smelled. People we've met sometimes. Those will be, we'll have to talk about them without giving away who they were. And that will be the challenge you as a listener can enjoy. Exactly. You can get all of the episodes in the places where podcasts are.