Parenting Hell with Rob Beckett and Josh Widdicombe - S9 EP2: Max Rushden

Episode Date: August 30, 2024

Joining us this episode to discuss the highs and lows of parenting (and life) is the brilliant podcaster and presenter - Max Rushden. @maxrushden Listen, follow and subscribe to Max's fantastic new podcast 'What did you do yesterday?' wherever you get your podcasts. New episodes released every Sunday from 1st September. Parenting Hell is a Spotify Podcast, available everywhere every Tuesday and Friday. Please leave a rating and review you filthy street dogs... xxx Please leave a rating and review you filthy street dogs... xx If you want to get in touch with the show with any correspondence, kids intro audio clips, small business shout outs, and more.... here's how: EMAIL: [e-mail] Parenting Hell is a Spotify Podcast, available free everywhere every Tuesday and Friday. Follow us on instagram: @parentinghell  Join the mailing list to be first to hear about live show dates and tickets, Parenting Hell merch and any other exciting news... MAILING LIST: parentinghellpodcast.mailchimpsites.com A 'Keep It Light Media' Production  Sales, advertising, and general enquiries: [e-mail] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hello, I'm Rob Beckett. And I'm Josh Winnockham. Welcome to Parenting Hell, the show in which Josh and I discuss what it's really like to be a parent, which I would say can be a little tricky. So, to make ourselves and hopefully you feel better about the trials and tribulations of modern-day parenting, each week we're chatting to a famous parent about how they're coping. Or hopefully how they're they're tha be hearing from you the listener with your tips, advice and of course, tales of parenting woe. Because let's be honest, there are plenty of times when none of us know what we're doing.

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There we go. This is is a good email Rob. Dasties a nice name. It is, isn't it? This, dear Rob and Josh, a few weeks ago I gave birth to our little boy, Quinn. I had to be induced and was advised to keep up my oxytocin levels, which to be honest with our terrible two-year-old meant my oxytocin level work, understandably not really peaking. I've got oxytocin here, a natural hormone that manages key aspects of the female male reproductive systems, including labour and lactation, as well as aspects of human behaviour.

Right, it's like happy hormones according to this. Hospital advised that it would take 24 hours to start labor or not at all. On the way home home hospital, I knew the parenting hell podcast was my gateway to raising those happy hormones. Oh. Within 10 minutes of listening to the podcast, in the car I looked at my husband and was like, oh, it's happening. Now I'm not sure to credit 20 first century medicine or the oxytocin rise from the podcast, but I've told everyone that it was your anecdotes which finally brought Quinn into the world.

Thanks for all the laughs. The bi-weekly podcast release is genuinely a highlight of our week. Jade and Rob from Stanford. Have you done Stanford in Lincolnshire? Yeah, I'm sure I've been there very flat. There we go. Well, congratulations and I'm glad that we helped. I'm sure it's just coincidence coincidence. Ccocococococococococococococococococoe. the the the the the the the the th. th. th. th. th. th. the th. th. th. th. th. th. th. I's just, th. I's th. I's th. I'm th. I'm too. I's. I's. I's. I's. I'. I's. I's. I's. I's. I'm to. I'm to. I'm to. I'm to. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's th. I's th. I's th. I's th. I'm the the the the the the th. I'm th. I'm to. I'm t. I'm t. I'm t. I'm t. I'm to. I'm t. I'm t. I'm to. I'm th. I'm th. I'm I'm glad that we helped. I'm sure it's just coincidence. Couple of messages, Rock. We've got a message from Lauren Smith, who's been on the show, very, very funny comedian. She's basically bought loads of tickets to her first leg. She's sold so many. So have you like Laura Smith, wanted to buy tickets to see her live but they'd sold out. You've got another chance. to thoe the their to to to toloreoreoreoreoreoreoreoreoreoreore. their. their. to to their. to their. to tho. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. tho. thoom's their. thoom's thi. thoom's th. th. th. th. their. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. their. their. their. their. their. their. the. their. their. their. the the the the the thoroua. the their. thea. the the thoroua. th. th. th. th. th. th got another chance. She's put on some more gigs. Here's a little voice note from her. Have you got the voice note there, Josh? Hi, Parenting Hell, it's me, comedian Nora Smith. You may remember me from being on the show and what happened after being on parent in hell was I sold loads of tickets and now I've got an autumn leg of the tour so

so in a proper Beggie Mitchell move, I am now asking you to buy tickets in my autumn leg. September to November. Everywhere. So yeah, buy tickets. Thank you. I love that. Beggy Mitchell. Head over to my website, Laura Smith.com, that's Smith with a why. Why? I don't know. There we go. Rob. Sorry, I got distracted by a phone there. Josh, we've got a brilliant guess. What was on your phone, Rob?

I saw you were distracted by your phone. Oh, pick up times. It's so complicated at the moment, getting places and where I'm dropping, where I'm dropping the kids, when Lou's back, where I'm going to, I can't keep their, I'm trying to nick a little bits of time in other things I'm doing to try and plan my day and then before I know it I'm on the backfoot and I don't know what's happening in a podcast and I feel like I'm living Josh Wittgen's life. And I'm overwhelmed with I'm sorry why didn't you bring on the guest? Yes who's the guest? For fuck sake it's a Max! This was a good one of the thanks. thks, thks, thks, of thops, of thinks, of thinks, thinks, of thinks, thinks, oh, thi, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I, I, I, I, I, I I I I I I, I I I I I I I I I I I I, I, I I, I, I I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm th. I'm tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, I'm tho, th's, tho. tho. tho. I'm over, tho. I'm over, I'm tho, I'm tho, I'm tho, I'm, this. I like Max. Talk sport presenter, Guardian Football Weekly presenter. One of the big podcasts, the Guardian Football Weeks, one of the biggest thear. If you're not a football fan, that's a big deal, is actually one of our greatest sports

presenters. That's a very lovely introduction. Also, very interesting because he's got an Australian wife so they were in the UK for a number of years and they've just moved back to Australia, he's doing a lot of presenting work and radio work here and there. So he's very busy with time zones, back and forth. We talk a lot about long haul flights. We do and I do apologize for basically rubbing it in his face at how bad it sounds. Yeah, but we love Max Rushton. Here's Max Rushton. Welcome to the podcast. I thought you were in Australia because you moved there but apparently you're in a cupboard in London fields. Is this a podcast or a cry for help? I've been in this cupboard for two months. I've just been desperate for anyone to talk to me. It's odd that it's the two of you and we're recording, but yeah, if somebody could let me out of this cupboard and I could get home, that would be very useful. It's thu. It's thu. It's thu. It's thu. It's thu. It's thu. It's thu. It's thus. It's thus. It's such such such such such such such such such such such such such such such such such such such such such such such such such such such such such such. It's such such such such such such such th. It's such such. It's such a bleak. It's. It's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that would be very that would be very. It's that's that's that's that's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. I. the. I's such the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the. I's the. I's tell, there's a, on the top left, there's just a wire, an unconnected wire hanging down. That's the top right you're looking at.

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two two that we're expecting another one. Is this an exclusive? It's a fucking scoop mate, too scoop. It's not a totally exclusive because we weren't going to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to their. They went to come down and visit and then my dad thought he got the mumps and we were like, oh shit is mumps bad for pregnant women? So we got one coming end of January, so we had the 12-week scan two days ago and they – Blamey, that is fresh news. They think it's another boy.

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Let me jelly them. Me and my co-host. We were hammering the phones for about half an hour. And then at 6.35, what does that mean? Hamering the phones really selling it? We were like, wea trying. We were trying to get anyone to ring. And then like Fay and Chiswick, so sad. Oh no mate, it gets worse. Fay and Chisic rang and she's a regular Fay and Chisic. We were like, oh, thank God, and that will fill 10 minutes

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And by the end we went, let's just see if we can do a full show. Amazing. Nothing. You start going, you start going, you know, do you have a phone. You go to those levels, like that. Text us now, do you have a phone. So, so she this is the only the only the only the only the only thing she listens to? Did you say? She listens to other things. I'm going to say, sorry, exclusively. But this is just maybe the first time she's ever heard me broadcast and she has said that if I use

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Yeah. I want to go through this decision-making process. And what did she do for work? Is her work in Australia to want to survive? So she was a primary school teacher in in Tower Hamlets for sort of the eight years that she moved over here when she moved over here and I always said oh look if I get a job in Australia we'll move which was basically we're not moving to Australia because there no there's like one job I could do there. Max can I call bullshit immediately what's not I've been to Australia yeah New Zealand radio is fucking massive over there like it's still 1970 no you're right They go mad for it. The budget for radio is insane. Yeah I agree with you. Radio's huge over there about, it says loads of

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How are you fucking keen being you all that? She must have been panicking a bit more. Yeah, so eventually, like, I think just, I just think she just, I've sort of wore her down. She realized that I wasn so she made that sacrifice. But every primary school teacher wants to teach in Tower Hamlets. Well of course. Oh, yeah. Melbourne to Tower Hamlets, that's a dream, isn't it?

I spent eight years there in your 20s or whatever it is. So I was like if we got, like, like, I said, if I get off the job, we'll go and then, like, came up really quickly, do you want to host the Champions League for Australian television? And I sort of said, I had loads of experience, I'd never done live football in my life. And let me tell you between the oh best coverage of the football, the final of the euros. No gives a fuck about you going in your car. All they care about is the football. But like, you know, you're sitting there. So I'm doing the Champions League and I've got Mark Bosnich, Craig Foster who are both brilliant. I've got, Mark Pug They all want to talk and all I have to do is go, good morning everybody, round Madrid are playing AC Milan. What do you think?

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We are gonna come to that. But then you do the Guardian Football Weekly and your Talksbook show from a Shudow Melbourne. Yeah, so I do the pod out of my shed. but it doesn't have air conditioning and at one night I tried it was like 40 degrees and it was a bit like doing a radio show on Apollo 13 right? I was like at some point this thing is going to overheat and I was like I bought six bags of ice I don't know why I was like I panicked on the day I was like surrounded by bags of ice they don't do a lot it's not so they just melt not wet around the equipment. It was just such a disaster. So what time of your hours then are you doing those shows?

Um, depending on the clock, twenty on the clocks, it's like, the worst is Sunday night, 11 till half us, 10 till half us midnight. So that's fine. That's not too bad. What's the journey from Australia to the UK? How often you doing? Take me through what that's like. I'm doing it. We're doing it. It is. And we've got it next week. It is terrible. Is it? It's it? It's so it's like it's 24 hours and it's it's just you have to come here for long enough that you. It's? It's. It's like. It's like. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. to. to. the. to. the. to. the. the.'s just, you have to come here for long enough that you it's like two or three weeks anxiety building up to it and then like the PTSD is about a month. So then you get about two weeks of enjoyment and then the anxiety begins for the flight. Oh my God.

I reckon the last one wasn't as bad because like we're trying to get him just addicted to screens, anything, you know, anything you can, like get him into like, you know, alt-right staff, Jordan Peterson, Andrews, just all that stuff, anything that he will just watch. Those incels, you're good for about those incels. They keep himself to himself. They're quite on a fly. When you're in seats 56, J, K and F, that is really what you want. We tried on the way back last year, we were like, he sometimes falls or sleep in the car.

But actually he doesn't fall in the car seat, but we've seen parents get a car seat, right? So we're like, why don't we get a car seat for 50 quid and just put him in that? And so we got a car seat and we put it on the car plane? Yeah you can do it and so we stuck we started to conset. Well no you put it in his seat right? Oh right oh how old would for his age now? Two and a half so we got him a seat on the way home because he just like he can't sit on us if up to two they can sit on you. Oh yes so you had him on your lap for the whole 24 hours in the past so like the past so like early they have you have the little bassinet which is fine unless unless it's like turbines. Really bad turbines. And then they bounce up and down you're like we should probably do something about that. But um so like we were like we'll get a car seat

and then and he hated it. So then you're just three people on an airplane with a car seat and you know what? And you know what, do you know what, it's really hard to sell a car seat when you're on a plane. Yeah, but why would that be better? But surely it's a smaller seat than the one he's got. Yeah, but he's kind of strapped in, aren't they? They're like, like, it fits. And so it's like, you're used the plane. We sort of like tracked it around a corner and ran off the plane and then someone ran after just going oh you forgot your car seat were like

oh no so then we left it in the Quantus we left it in the Qantas lounge so someone in the Qantas lounge has found a car seat and go what the fuck has happened here yeah but it was like you're desperate so what do you do to kill the time? Well have another kid to make a the to the to to the the to the to the to the the to the the to the the to the the the the the the the the the the to the the to the the to to to the to to to the to to the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the tie. tie. tie. tiea. tiea. tiea. tttiea. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the time? Have another kid to make it double-ad. Stickers, stickers, that'll do, what you do is you get crayons, stickers, Play-Doh, and then you've exhausted that about an hour into your first flight to Honkul. And then you're like, okay, 23 hours to go lads, let's dig in. Oh my God. Two and a half's too young for Screep, about fours they're too young at th at that, th. They're th. They're th. They're th. They're th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th that' that' that' that' that' th that' that's that' th. They're th. They're th. They're th. They're th. They're th. They're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're their their their their their their their their their their their their their their th. They're thi. Tee. Tee. Tee. Tee. Tee to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to toge. to thae. thae. th for Screep about fours they're right age they're too young at that age I don't they're so bad. And do you get any sleep? Well the worst thing well not for me but like he's sort of at a stage where he is really he loves his mom. He's like mama do that you know like I don't want you to do that I want momma to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the to the to the to the the to to to the to the to to to to to to to to to to to the the the to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to their their their their their their their their their they. they. they. they. the they. I they. I the they. I they. I they. I they. I they. I the they. I they. I the the to to the the to to try. I to me. I to me. I to. I'm. to. to. to. to. to. I'm. I'm. I'm. to. I'm. like I don't want you to do that I want mama to do it and like sometimes you go like come on mate this is all you basically if we're in the if we're together all three of us and we're in the park together like I'm not pushing the swing he's like dad I sit over

there and he sort of points to a bench about a hundred yards away if it's just me he he tho' th is th is th is th is th is th is th is th is th is thus thus thus thus thus the thus the thus thus the the thus thus thr-I thr-I thr-I thrown I tho-I tho-I thr-I the tho-I tho-I tho-I tho-I tho-I tho-I tho-I tho-I th th th th th th th the the the the their the the their the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th th th th th th th the the the the the the the the the theeee to to tm-I'm tm-I'm together together together together together thooooooooooooooooooooo at stage. On the plane, it's like she is there so he will only fall to sleep on her and then we, and then we, then you know, it's a bit like that, you know, when they're the sort of unexploded grenade, then you try and push them onto the seat. And then eventually Jay, is like, I'll just let's just what he's going to love. to love. their. their. to love. to love. to love. to love. to love. to love. to love. to love. to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the the the the the the their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their s. their s. thooooooooo. the the thooooooooooooooooooo. their th. th. th. It's their their. It's gonna actually love that, that. Yeah, no I reckon you're right, thanks, so that's what I came on for. It's just that kind of positive affirmation that we've made the right decision. No, that's okay. Do you know what, one of the main reasons to have kids, right, is to enjoy the pain and suffering that other people are It's worth it though and it's just a... but flying to an Australian is hard. I do you know what I wouldn't have done Rob? I wouldn't have gone to Australia.

I wouldn't have ever flown. Not moved, I think moved is a good decision. Because you come back, do you come back to see the Russian clan? Or do you come back because during the euros it's untenable for you to be working....... to to to to to to to to be to be to be to be to be the to be to be to be to be their. to be to be to be their. to be to be to be to be to be to come back. to come back. to to come back. to to to to to to to to to to to go to go. to go. to go. to go. to go. to go. to go. to go. to go. to go. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. to go. I. to go. to go. to go. to go. to go. to go. to go. to go. to go. to go. the the the the the the the the. the. toea. toe. toe. toe.a. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. able for you to be working in Australia? Basically yeah so like the hours would kill me. You come back as a family this time then? Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah if I said I'm just off for two months is all right? Like if everyone's well it's kind of okay because I have to go to Sydney a lot for the Champions League but if someone's sick and we don't have a lot of the help close by sometimes they they they when I'm away, Jay is like, she is doing a lot of stuff on her own. Yeah, it's hard.

And so when I came back for three weeks, she was like, this is, you know, that was shit. Plus, she can't even text you about it, because you're asleep when she's awake, the tea. to the champion's thee. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. thi. thi. thi. th thi. thi. thi. thi. to. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. It's, th. It's, th. It's, th. It's, th. It's, th. It's, th. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It. It. It. It. It. It. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's, to. It's. th. th you're waking up there going to bed and vice versa. What I've had is during the Champions League when I do the Champions League and so I'd be up at say three or four or five is I'd wake up and I just hope there was nothing on the WhatsApp you know just absolutely do I wake up to nothing what I don't want is 1-0-6 up 1-13 up to 1st 3-3 up again to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the to the the to the the the the the th 1st 1st 1st 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1. th 1. th 1. the the the th. th. th. th. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. How's your hotel room like you know These these totally justifiable like oh what are you doing now just having a coffee I'm not you know and I don't know if you find this like because like I

really like my job and now when I record the part it's like it's like bedtime bath time dinner time and I'm just going to the shed to talk about football on zoom so it's not like it'd be better if you were a coal a a a a a a a a the the the the the the the the the the the th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. tot. tot. tot. tot. tot. tot. tot. tot. It's tot tot tot tot tot tot tot tot tot tot. tot. tot. tot. tot. tot. tot. tot. tot. tot. tot. tot. It's tot. tot. It's tot. It's tot. It's th. It's th. th. th. th. It's th. It's tot. It's totally. It's totally. It's totally. totally. totally. totally. totally. totally. totally. totally. It's totally. It's totally. just going to the shed to talk about football on Zoom. So it's not like it'd be better if you were a coal miner and you came back in like closed and going, oh, this was, honestly that was an agonizing day, I'm exhausted. But basically, just like, so generally, just as like the shit's hitting the fan and he's not, he's just still saying all I want it's plain pasta and then I was like I just got to go and talk about the crisis at Everton for now. And so two and a half so there'll be a three and a half, kind of three year age gap that's going to be. Yeah he'll be just the new one, Ian the second if it is a boy will be born just before Ian the first turns three. And what's it like bringing up kids, the kids the kids the kids the kids the kids the kids the kids th, th, the kids, th, th, th, the kids, the kids, the kids, th, th, th, to th, th, th, th, th, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, to th, th, th, th, th, th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th, th, to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to th, th, th, the the the the the th. I the the th. I thi, thi, the thin, the thin, the the the thean, thean, thean, thri. I'm thri, thri, thrie, thi, thi, thi, the second if it is a boy will be just, will be born just before Ian the first turns three.

And what's it like bringing up kids, thinking your kids are going to be Australian? Uh, like, fine. Like, I, like, Australia's really nice. I would love them. I would love them, you know, whether it's a boy or a girl, the second one. I'd love them both to have the broadest Australian accents. And thaaaaaaa, tha, tha, tha, tha, tha, tha, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thi, thi, the ba, the ba, the ba, the ba, the ba, the their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, thi, thi. And, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, thooomoomorrow, their, their, their, their, their, their, theirthem both to have the broadest Australian accents and open the batting for England. That is like, that is like, rinse the Australian sporting system. Yeah, but they will want to play for Australia. That is true. Yeah, I think I've lost that battle, I think. And the thing is it's like, because we're back enough, I don't really miss home that much. I'm here or I'm here a lot I don't miss it that much.

It's an amazing place to raise kids to. I've always thought that. I think it's beautiful out there over there and it's so safe like a lot safer in this space and there's such a, there's so much more opportunity to do sport. It's a healthier way to raise kids. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to their the to to to to to to raise. to to to raise. to to raise. to to to raise. to to raise. I's a to raise. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I the the the the the the the the th. I's. I'm th. th. th. th. the th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm the the it to London right so I'm sort of comparing Melbourne and London rather than England and Australia yeah and Melbourne is such a great city because it's small so you feel like you're sort of part of it but you can live yeah we're sort of in like with a suburb next to the hipster one so you're like we're trying to pretend we're cool even though we never but like if you remember learning as a city yeah yeah yeahalsy standards, isn't it? It is. And like learning to swim, when you think back

to learning to swim, it was just cold and shit and athletes foot and your wide front's kind of ringing in like getting really tiny becoming, yeah, Verrucca's sock, remember that word a lot. In Australia it's just like you just go every day. Like it's just really nice and it's like some way you compare it like 30% percent. I remember we'd th. th. It's like, th. It's like, th. It's like, to to th. It's like, to to th. It's like, th. It's like, to th. It's like, th. It's like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, th. th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, like, like, like, like, remember we'd been away for like a year and we came back because when we first got there it was like COVID and we had to quarantine and then we had to split apart for three months when Jay was heavily pregnant and we were like hopefully borders open because I had to stay in Sydney unfortunately didn't but we were away for so long we came back and like the first day we're like pushing a pram we had jet lagged and we bumped into someone they just went, oh fuck off, and we're like, this is London. And I sort of missed that energy, right? You just don't, you know, it is different.

You don't, you don't get that. So yeah, like, I am, like, because Jay came here for nine years, it's like, you got nine years, mate, and then we can discuss, you know where we're going to I'm pretty, I'm pretty simple. As long as I can have a cup of coffee and some peanuts, they love coffee in Melbourne. I don't get it, it's like they think they fucking invented it. It's basically just because it's not shit coffee, like yeah, everyone has, oh Melbourne's the best place to have coffee. No it isn't, it's just the same as everywhere fucking else that is for Melbourne coffee. Do you know if you if you clip that up and sent it to the Australian media you'd get about 50 requests Rob. Just you know from saying, you know, man says coffee in Melbourne isn't the best. They'd

be like, they just wouldn't believe it. It's mental that they're like, they're so militant about their coffee. I just couldn't work it. I couldn't work it. I'm. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I'm their. I'm their. I'm their. I'm their. I'm their. I'm their. I'm their. I'm their. their. their. their. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm just. I'm just. I'm just. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. to see what's going on but I don't get it the obsession with coffee. I did incredibly spent three weeks in Australia of which I didn't even go to Melbourne I went to Sydney that's where I went. Have you driven down through the middle of Australia yet Max? No we haven't done that yet. It's fucking awful it's a wonderful, I've never been. Honestly, honestly, it is, but I would describe that as the darkest three weeks of my life. Now, let's talk about your new podcast because it is an excellent idea. I hope so. I hope it's an excellent idea. I've had this idea for a while.

I'd say this is, you know when you go, this is a good elevator pitch for a podcast. Hit us with the idea. The podcast is called, What did you do yesterday? And it is me and David O'Hodhity, who is obviously very funny and talented. An excellent comedian. I'm a great guy. So we get good gist. Within comedy. Yeah, he doesn't know like, you know,

Elylon Musk. The Irish guy from Bridesmaid's, he's must be in on a wedding. Next one, Fendi Lee the boxer, he knows a few boxes. Whereas, you know, I could get you Vinny Sanways like that, but apparently there's no cut through. What's the same way traction? So, so basically it is what it says. It is we get guests on who we think are interesting and we forensically analyze. Like we really drill down.

It's a way of interviewing them, but just by going through their day yesterday. From the minute they wake up, to the minute they go asleep. And everybody, apart from literally one day old babies, will understand the concept, we'll have had the same yesterday and so we think it could like everybody on earth could listen to it and go oh well I was doing this yeah also yeah you can rebook them because they're gonna have a different answer there's no prep no one has to do any prep no also like we basically steal all the

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about the military, you've probably done his military school run, you know, like these things and you're like, oh wow. But what's, but what, well the thing is, it's like, we all live burst into tears, tell us your life story, clipping up the crying, fuck off. Yeah, like self-imprisoned bullshit. Um, no. I was about Nan's funeral yesterday. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I was about. I was just drawn it all down into this.

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Max, I'm still not sure. Where do we put the stress? Is it what did you do yesterday? What did you do yesterday? What did you do yesterday? What did you do yesterday? I'm really downplaying it. Like what did you do yesterday? Like I'm just a guy just asking a question, but do you think I should go bigger? What did you do yesterday? What did you do yesterday?

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Well, well, actually, do you know what? He hates it, he has to do it just. I know he's not got an option. I can't comprehend doing it. Do you know what? He hates it but he has to do it, John. I know. We're talking to him about his day, Rob. It happens that the day we're talking about is that one. That's a good idea. It's costing him a fucking fortune. Do you know what? There is a moment, and this is true even if you're not, you know, you knowhour flight right the moment where when your kid hasn't fallen asleep when they are really should have done right you know you've had a night where they're up till two in the morning or whatever yeah and then they just and they actually go and

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place. It's like you're sort of elevated, you're sort sort sort sort sort sort of looking looking looking looking looking looking looking looking looking looking looking looking looking's like you're taken to another place. It's like you're sort of elevated, you're sort of looking down on yourself, your body is like, I once did the longest ever radio show in a shopping center in Cambridge, it was six days long for BBC Radio Cambridge. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, I did it for children in need and I held the world record for, it took me longer to get it than I held it for some guy in Slovenia started off. You're awake for six days. What child does a need? Your one home for six days? Yeah, yeah. So, like, this was like 201.

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Do you know what it's like? Have you ever been kicked in the balls and the pain is so bad but the elation when the pain fades? I often think I think it was worth being kicked in the balls. The feeling when the pain goes is better than any feeling you can have in the ball. I love the way three bloke is to go about parenting and I spoke about football for an hour. Now we're on how painful it is to be getting nuts. It's like 9097, all the mum's this going like kicking the ball and is getting paid with. It does come free with loaded magazine. I'm concerned that I haven't spent enough time talking about how what a brilliant mum Jamie

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Lou's going to join me with the kids. When are you coming? That's October, November 2025. So, come for a cup of tea. Yeah, Defoe, yeah, come to the gig. I'm doing hammer hall, Rob, I just don't, you know, my socializing is tinker at the cafe between 730 and 845, have a coffee and that is all the social life. Do one of Jamie's Lines. I'll get out for the map, fingers crossed. Yeah, but oh yeah, I'll message you when I'm over there, but yeah they're coming out but that but they'll be older then they'll be like nearly nearly 10 and 8. So that's good because that's like a flight is fun when you're 8. Flight is like yeah

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I think he'll be happy. Don't him doing that at 20, right? That is true. There is a, there is a bike. Right, should we do the same question. Which is what is amazing about Jamie, your partner, as a parent, and what is the one thing she does that she will listen to this? And when she hears it, she'll go, fair enough, that I can imagine that is frustrating. It's a good way to get that across to her in a way, isn't it, Rob? Yeah, no, totally, totally. luckiest is a like I have to sleep I just sleep or I just love sleep and she has a

constitution which is just insane that she can you know during the euros it was tough she was first trimester and I was saying I did work till 11 because it went to penalties so you like if he's up at five that you don't win that you don't win that but no but I need to sleep more than she needs to sleep but because she's a primary school teacher, she understands like rotating toys and like messy play and water play and all those things. Like how would anybody know right? I guess you could read a book about it but like it's taken me six months and I'm only halfway through the Thursday murder club. I don't have time to read books right? And so just having that knowledge of going, oh, this is really great for their development and this, you know, it's just, I feel so lucky that she know, she just knows that stuff and she's, you know, totally natural at it. And like, just,

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work is still work and I know it isn't as bad I just know it isn't as bad but I still had to go to work so like you know I've so had to go and do it as I'm. My life is also hard, just not as hard. And, you know, I, I'm also tired, I would say. I am also tired. I love you dearly, but I am also tired. Arguing about who's most tired is, me and Lude used to do it all the time. We made a rule, no one ever wins when we argue over who's most tired is me and Lude used to do it all the time. We made a rule, no one ever wins when we argue over who's most tired if you've done loads of work or loads of the kids, no one never wins. So we agreed early doors, we never make it a competition and then was having

an argument about it and I went, look look, we said we'll never make a competition and she's scrimmed on my tiegues. I know it's not competition. I's not competition. If competition. If competition. If competition, if it, if it, if it, if it, if it, if it, if it, if it, if it, if it, if it, if it, if it's not, if it's not, if it's not, if it's not, if it's not, if it's not, if it's not, if it's not, if it's not the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. th. th. th tod, today, today, today, today, today, today, today, today, today, th th th thi. the the the. But she has this thing that I have never spent a whole, like I was 24 hours. Because of my work is like every day, like I'm doing probably doing six days a week or some evening. And she went to Italy for six days last year. And so I got Josh's excellent babysitter Martin to do two hours a day, because I had just two hours a day to just sort myself out, get my work done whatever. So it is a thing where I have never done a whole day. I'm like, but you still got to it, you know, you still went on your trip.

Like I just managed it in a different way. But you had to have someone else. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, but the they. I to to to to be. to be. to be. to be. to be. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. You. You. You. You. You. You. You. You. You. You. You. You. You. You. You. You. You. You. You. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to., for that's two hours, if it means that you can get all your work done, mentally calm down and then be a bit of a pair and a half of that, then I think it's good to do that. Get your ad then done, all that kind of stuff needs doing. Tell that to Jamie, right? Tell her, she's doing 24 hours of the day all the time, then what she wants really is you to fill

the suffer. Yeah, she wants me to. I think, we've got to think, we've got a loyal listener here, we should take her side over the person. Now, well, yeah, well, yeah, and I totally, and I to, and I to, and I totally, and I to agree, and I to agree, and I to agree, and I to agree, and I to agree, and I to agree, and I to to to to to agree, and I to to to to to to to to to to to to to told. to to to to to to to feel to feel to feel to feel to feel to feel to feel to feel to feel to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to.. to. to to. to. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the told. told. told. told. to. to. tooe used to think, so if Lou went when Lou went away before for like three nights and I had both kids on my own just with the kids, I'd be like on it and you got I'm gonna tidy before they do that and if I get all that tidy when they go bed and that's fine because you can do that for three days but if you're the main default parent for weeks and weeks of weeks and it's just so intense and day after day it's the same it's the same. For a few days you sort of can. So my tip would be don't try and get the house really nice and

tidy when they come back and go look how calm, organized and well I've done. Even if you're lying, just come back to chaos and go, I'm really sorry it's been chaos. I've had it's been mad hope you've had a good time but you go up says the other bath and let me tidy now and even if you have to create a bit of mess because it hasn't been they want to walk back in and go look I knew it's fucking struggle. You've had an absolute week he slept ten hours it's like 12 hours so yeah except all week I've slept I've been to the gym the house is tidy we're all good have they have have have have have have have they have they have they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they the they the they they the they they the they they the they they the they they the they they the the they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they the the took to took to took took to took to took they they the they took they they they they they they they they they they they they they they're all good they'll hate that have you ever sort of said they didn't sleep when they did sleep I haven't done that but no I've never do that I'd never do that Rob what's that you ever said I can't out a bit Max I can't hear the question I'm telling you know it's been great at me I'm not a baby in my time I think everyone's dabbled so now my general view on all of that the the the the th I th I th you th I th I th th th th th th th the th th the th th th thin I th th th the thin I th thin I'm thin thin thin thin thin their they they thin maybe I'm thin' thin' they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they th th th to ttttttttoy tttoday today today today ttoday ttoday today ttoday today ttoday they they they they they they they time. I think everyone's dabbled. So now my general view on all of that

and you know, keeping it clean and tid in whatever is, I'm just gonna have a really great shower when they're both about 10. And the amount of time, the amount of time, I'm in a you're wearing the same t-shirt you wore the gig last night. It's like, yeah. Because I reached for the t-shirt when I woke up in life? Yeah, Jamie I've read you there for this. What's the name of your pod again about what your guest did the day before?

It's called What Did You Do Yesterday? What did you do yesterday with Max Rushden, David O'Docardt, Nish Kuhn, who the other episode? Who else you got coming up? Lue Sanders, Lou Sanders, James, James, James, James, James, James, James, James, James, James, James, James, James, James, James, James, James, James, James, James, James, James, James, James, James, James, James, James, James, James, James, James, James, James, James Ellis James, Jim Bristor, Josie Long, Natalie Cassidy, who have I forgot, I'm some other good, Sam Campbell, lots of good people. Oh brilliant, I think it's going to be a great success, I'm up for it, I'm up for, I'm up, I'll come on it. Yeah, I'll come on it. Yeah, we've got the Australian date. We've got to have a space tomorrow now, I can't come on tomorrow. So thanks for having me. I had a nice time.

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