Parks and Recollection - Jamie Denbo: Correspondents’ Lunch (S5E15)

Episode Date: July 2, 2024

Leslie is back from her Hawaiian honeymoon, but there’s no time to bask in the glow. Leslie’s speech has been stolen and she’s on the prowl to find the culprit. Meanwhile, Ben embarks on a new career as head of the Sweetums Foundation and Ann works up the nerve to ask Chris to be her sperm donor. Jim O’Heir and Greg Levine break it all down in this week’s walkthrough of “Correspondents' Lunch.” Plus, Jamie Denbo (aka Leslie’s nemesis Kim Terlando) joins Jim and Greg to rehash her early improv days with Amy Poehler, all the fun she had on set, and how she landed her latest role as Co-EP on Grey’s Anatomy.Got a question for the Pawnee Town Hall? Send us an email at [e-mail]

We're getting together to talk about all the things we used to do The laughs, the passions, the little Sebastians, the pets we fell into And we're putting it on in a podcast Then we'll send it up into the sky We're calling it Parks and Recollection Come on little podcast Spread your wings and fly Hey everybody, welcome back to another riveting, I hope, episode of Parks and Recollection.

Well, that's entirely up to you and me. Exactly. The pressure is on. That was more like an internal, like, I hope I can do this. I think we can, though. I said it because let's put the pressure on us. I think we have it in us. Yes, I am Jim O'Hare. You know me as Gary, Larry, Jerry, Terry, even Barry, Johnny Karate, from Parks and Recreation, along with, again...

Yes. The best part about bits is the more we do them, the funnier they get. It's Greg. Hello. We're back together. Jim, you and I are back together. And I do love that. And you said it was such conviction.

It's such conviction. I do love every moment with you. And later, we have Jamie Denbo, who joined us for a conversation. She plays Kim Turlando in this episode. So stick around for that interview. It's

amazing. Also, total sideline. So somebody mentioned to me, I think it was Greg, about, oh, there's, you know, you can read reviews of the podcast, blah, blah, blah, and overall they're like really wonderful. Wait, hold on a second. Just a little side story. Someone told me,

I think it was Greg, me, the person sitting across from you, that you could read reviews of our podcast. I never knew that. No, no, because I'm not a review person. I really generally never look at over anything I've ever done. Like, whatever, it's done. And if people want to sit at home and, you know, rip it apart, they're welcome to do it. Generally, our reviews are lovely, which is great. But some I did because you mentioned it, I looked and one of them said, I'm too mean to you. And so I just want to put it out there. I love Greg. And yes, I do have a very sarcastic tone at times, but it is not mean. I hope. I don't want it to come across mean because I love you, my friend. Thank you. I appreciate that. I have added an extra therapy

session every week, but I appreciate that. No, but because we're just having fun. That is what goes on here. Anyway, the other thing I want to say, and there's no way to say this without sounding like I'm just throwing it in your face, you know, bragging. But yesterday, I had a colonoscopy. Oh, good times. Can I tell you something? Good times. I actually think they are a good time.

Oh, I disagree. Oh, okay. Tell me your experience. I'll give you mine. Well, the procedure is nothing. You go in, they time. Oh, I disagree. Oh, okay. Tell me your experience. I'll give you mine. Well, the procedure is nothing. You go in, they knock you out, you leave. You got a couple of polyps, we snip, snip, and you're good to go. No, it's the prep.

No, the prep is awful. Awful. It's awful. You stop being a human being. Yes. And for a little bit, you're just a pure animal. Exactly. Who's lost complete control of something that you've built your life around having control of.

Need control over. Right. Yes. But the feeling afterwards, whatever they give you for the procedure, I woke up having felt more refreshed than I've had in my entire life. more refreshed than I've had in my entire life. My boss at the time, when I had to have my first one, I was going to take some time off, whatever. And she's like, honestly, Greg, afterwards,

you're going to feel amazing. I'm like, well, that sounds impossible. It's going to be so good. You're going to feel so refreshed. And I texted her immediately. Like, I have never felt, I felt like I had slept for like a week. And it'd been about 40 minutes.

Apparently, I was talking throughout it. Oh, wow. Oh yeah oh no I did none of that oh okay I just did that thing where they say okay Mr. O'Hare we're gonna put this thing and then they're waking me up Mr. O'Hare I have no memory and do you tell them when you come in for this like I want you to refer to me as Mr. O'Hare yes I insist you do everyone who knows me knows I am when I anything medical I as Mr. O'Hara. Yes, I insist. You do. Everyone who knows me knows I am Mr. O'Hara. When I, anything medical, I am Mr. O'Hara. I am Mr. O'Hara. No, but you know how they do it. They, Mr. O'Hara, Mr. O'Hara, that's how they did it.

And as a treat for you, my friend, I was able to get the polyps and. Oh, did you get them for me? I got them for you. They're in a baggie. And from what I hear, you cook them at a high heat and they're delicious. They are. So. I might just look at them for a while. Whatever you want to do.

They're yours. I have to tell you, we've done a fair amount of these episodes together. This is easily the weirdest beginning we've ever had. Well, I think it's good to talk about our lives. It's so much so that I'm thinking, what have we done? Dear listener. We would like to make an apology video. If you are still with us, we are about to talk about an episode of Parks and Recreation.

Yes. I swear to you. In fact, I'm going to start right now. I'm going to capitalize on that to say, we're talking about Correspondence Lunch. It was written by Alexandra Rushfield. It was directed by, and I don't think

this is a typo. Am I pronouncing this right? Nike Ufferman? I think that's correct. Nick Offerman. Nick Offerman directed. It aired January 21st, 2013. And Jim, please blurb.

Here we go. Realizing her email has been hacked by a tabloid reporter from the Pawnee Sun, Leslie and Donna set a trap to catch the culprit. Meanwhile, Ben embarks on his new job as head of the Sweetums Foundation. And Anne works up the nerve to ask Chris to be her sperm donor. Oh, God. Yikes. Okay, well, let's get some notes for this super fun episode, Jim, because this episode aired as the second of a double-header Parks episode release. It immediately followed season five, episode 14. That was Leslie and Ben.

That was the wedding. It was adorable. And we discussed last week. We don't have to get into it, but last week we discussed it was kind of written to be a potential series finale. So here the series isn't finaled. Thank God.

Right. And we just get to have a classic fun Parks and Rec episode after a very beautiful wedding. It's perfect. I have a technical question because there are three stories but would this still be called

an A, B and a c story even though the chris and ann story was taking place mostly at the a story so would you guys still break that up as abc absolutely our minds were helped by labeling them right and we talked to this before that certain episodes storylines get a little more of the time and real estate. And so sometimes your C story is just like a few beats. Really, it's just the beginning, middle, and end when you see the scenes. In this case, the Anne-Chris storyline, you know, you can move that around.

Like it could have happened before one scene, after a different scene. And that C story being off on its own, it doesn't have as much consequence to the other stuff. So while it might be at that location, it really has nothing to do with the A story. No, other than they were there. Other than being there.

They happened to be there. Yeah. No, I was just wondering, I didn't know if that's how you guys looked at that. Yeah. And also we can't overstate how exciting it was that Nick Offerman directed this. Oh, my God. It was the first time.

Yeah. Tell us about that. And it's a big episode. There's, you know, instead of this luncheon, which means extras. And we had six guest stars. Now, granted, they were quick in and out. But it was Jessica Wicks, you know, Susan Yeagley, Mo Collins, Joan Calamezzo. We had Alison Becker, Shauna Mulway-Tweep.

We had James Green, Councilman Milton. Well, of course, I love Jim Meskimen, who played Martin Housley. And then, of course, we had our Jay Jackson, Pirde. So there's a lot going on. Now, here's where I think Nick was probably so relieved. By this point, we're in season five. We have the greatest DP. We got, you know, our Tom McGill. We had department heads who knew exactly what they were doing. So as much as there was still a lot of pressure on Nick, because you are the director, it's all going to be on you. We had such a strong team that I'm sure that is what helped him get through the day.

Right. And it's not like this is his first job directing, and he has no knowledge of the crew, of the world, of the characters. It's like, hey, buddy, come be a director. Here, I'm Parks and Recreation, right? No, it's Nick Offerman, who this is home to him for years. I love when an actor directs. They know what we want. They know not to overstep sometimes because sometimes you're like, okay, I get it, I get it, I get it. And then an actor director knows, don't give you a line read because we ain't looking for that. So I love when an actor directs.

And so to me, this was just nothing but fun. Plus he got to be in it too. He had some great moments. I just saw this clip of Gary Oldman talking about a direction note that Chris Nolan gave him once, which was like, there's more at stake here.

And it's like, that was an amazing note. That is a good note. Because that's all he needed. That's all he needed. He didn't need to know the whole thing. And all the pieces, trusting, in fact, the actor, this person who's working right now, in this case, an actor,

be like, I'm going to give you this thing and it's going to be all you need to know what you need to bring here. Probably better than a line reading. Definitely better than a line reading. Yeah. No, but that, I love that. Yeah, right?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Kind of gives you like, oh, there is more at stake here. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it was great. We had so much fun. And of course, it was one of those episodes that I particularly love

because we're all together for a lot of it yes we're all in a room together and your character gets you know really fucked up

well yes and no yes and no no but for a while you really did and you're punished for it yes but no

Nick did a tremendous job great job and he will go on to direct another episode in season six. It's episode 19. It's Flu Season 2. We're going to talk about that when we get to it. But now we're talking about this one.

So let's forge on and open up our synopsis. Leslie and Ben have returned bearing gifts from their Hawaiian honeymoon, but there's no time to bask in the honeymoon glow. Leslie is preparing her speech for the correspondence lunch, and Ben is set to begin his new job at the Sweden's Foundation. Meanwhile, Anne

is having trouble working up the nerve to ask Chris to be her sperm donor. Okay, The Cold Open. It's the only reference to the wedding from the last episode, which is interesting, isn't it? Yeah, because that was such a big thing. Yeah, and I think that was intentional. I remember that being a conscious

choice, which is we just spent an entire episode on the wedding and let's just have a Parks episode. Yeah. Right? Where that isn't the serialized arc of our characters isn't on the main stage. Yeah. Right? Where that isn't the serialized arc of our characters isn't on the main stage. Yeah.

Because now that I think about it, other than the Andy storyline, it really could be any episode anywhere. Well, I mean. It's very standalone. Right. I mean, we do have Anne asking Chris to be sperm. Well, yeah, that changes things for them. That's true. Which would be very crazy as a storyline if we didn't build it out already.

Yeah. But I guess what I'm saying is that it's just a fun storyline. It's just a classic Parks and Rec A story. Yeah. Okay. Well, Jim, I'll just say, I think Anne's, this character arc she has, this awkwardness and, you know, finding a sperm donor for herself. It just, it continues.

But I think it works really well as an angle for her. Do you agree? Yeah. And also Rashida plays awkward brilliantly. Yes. It's so uncomfortable. Yes. And she's uncomfortable to watch her trying to be together.

Right. Yeah. And that's the brilliance of Rashida. And there's something quite humbling, I think, about a person like Anne being awkward. Yeah. You know? She should be not awkward. She is this, she's a nurse. She's working for the city. Yes. She's doing her thing. Yeah. You know? She should be not awkward. She is this,

she's a nurse. She's working for the city. She's doing her thing. Yes, yes. She should have nothing but confidence. Yes, but she trips over her tongue and she gets uncomfortable. And the avoidance of Chris

is this great running gag. I like when she pops into Ron's office a few times as a way to avoid him. It's so funny. And I'll just say, just watching this episode, Leslie's distrust and hatred of the Pawnee son is so fun, isn't it?

It's also, it goes deep. You see, she's mad at them and she just wants to, this is her chance to best them because they've been getting her pretty much her entire career. I mean, we have these great headlines about the so-duh tax. Nope, fleeces consumers again.

There's nope, sucks, did porn warp the sheriff's future. Nope, grope is last hope, right? That's when the former city manager has this heart attack. So, you know, this is her chance. has this heart attack. So, you know, this is her chance. And I just love the jokes she has and in this great scene where she's reading them out.

We need this. We need a scene of her saying the jokes to us so that later when they're stolen from her and we hear them on stage, we recognize them, right? Because it wouldn't be fun

if we didn't already hear them. Wouldn't make sense. Right? There'd be a punchline without a setup. Yeah. And so here's this great scene of Leslie delivering these jokes, and she's so proud, and they're all very dad jokes, right? But then all of this is set up for this

big reveal that the speech has been stolen. But it's so fun. The whoop-ass, the... Anyway, it's great. Yeah. And the Kim character, you know, played by Jamie Dindle is so funny because she knows what she's got in her back pocket. She's got Leslie's jokes. So she's just like,

okay. Right, right. It must be so fun just to hear this person just go on like, why are you digging your own grave? Yes. Because the setup is brilliant. Yes. Speaking of setup, with Sweetums facing yet another scandal, Ben is tasked with choosing a charity for the foundation to fund on his first day on the job.

And after seeing the huge pile of proposals, Ben enlists the help of April, Andy, and Tom to sort things out. Meanwhile, the correspondence lunch is underway, and Kim Turlando has somehow gotten a hold of Leslie's speech telling all of Leslie's jokes on stage. At the same time, Anne chickens out on talking to Chris yet again when she sees him hitting it off with his ex-girlfriend,

Shauna Mulway-Tweep. Well, Jim, we are back at the super suites. The Pawnee super suites for the correspondence lunch. And it's fun. We have Jim Meskimen returning as Martin Housley. He's Pawnee's favorite Pawnee MC. He's also,

you know, in real life and on our show, he does amazing impressions. Impressions, yes. Yes, he really is. And you know who his mother is?

No, but what? Who? This is huge. Marion Ross. Really? From Happy Days. Yeah. That is his mother.

Oh. Yes. Great. I've chatted with her about that, that he's her son, and I've chatted with him that she's his mother. And they know that about each other. They do. They have figured it out because of my conversations.

Okay. They have figured it out. Okay. Thank God. Thank God. But yeah, that's his mom. Well, he's awesome. Yeah.

Amazing. It's a great story of you have a fun character but then an actor brings something extra special to it and then you just want to keep bringing that person back

I think Martin Housley was not intended to be Pawnee's favorite Pawnee MC yeah and impersonating MC but he shows up every time

and again the brilliance of Mike and all of you guys who put this all together and Greg you're making it its own little world right so little springfields.

I love that. I love when I see the same characters come back. Yes. Also, the beginning of the snopes is about Ben being at the foundation. The scene with him and Jessica Wicks. She's such a delusional woman. Yeah. She knows nothing

about the real world. It's just money and it's all up but doesn't matter how the money comes whether yeah which you can talk about later but there's all the stuff but the greatest moment is when he realizes there are paintings you're right the painting naked paintings right of her and her husband in a wheelchair yeah even though it's blurred out i'm assuming balls hanging, like just nasty stuff. And she couldn't be prouder. Well, those, we've seen those paintings before, right? And she's quite proud of that. I mean, she's a pure comedy character. Yes. Right. There's nothing real about

her. Right. She really is only there to set up a world for us and then just be a joke machine. Yeah. And Susan was brilliant. was brilliant yes yes she was awesome speaking of setup i just want to say sometimes and i'm about to talk about the b story with ben uh and his task. Sometimes when you think about a storyline too much, you realize how insane the setup is for Ben. He's swamped with a new assignment on a crunch deadline. So he asks April, Andy, and Tom to come and help him. Let me just say that again. He asks his former co-workers who have other jobs, helping him to help him. Now, at his new job, I'm presuming their time off,

or it's the day off, or whatever it is. It's just hard to imagine asking my former co-workers, even good friends of mine, to come help me with my job that I paid for. Seems odd. Right. It's like, this is really tough. I could really use some help.

Hey, friends, come work at my job that I paid for. Seems odd. Right. He's like, this is really tough. I could really use some help. Hey, friends, come work. And also, not just friends, but these particular friends. Like, yes, you do want a Leslie there. Leslie would be amazing. He would never pick these three people. If only it was the fact that writers on the TV show

had these three characters left over. And we got to put them in. For a storyline. And listen, I'm not shitting on it. That is what writing is. It is a, obviously, we're not watching a documentary. Right. This is a silly show.

Yeah. It's a silly premise. It's not silly. It's hardcore funny. No, but it's. I know what you mean. It's this, but ultimately, this is theater. This is dress up.

This is fun and play. We're watching the silly little thing here, But no, I know what you mean. Yes, but ultimately, this is theater. This is dress-up. This is fun and play. We're watching this silly little thing here, and we're all buying into the reality of it. And that means you're going to have storylines like this. Just like we had storylines just a few episodes ago where Tom's co-workers helped him paint and decorate and set up a storefront for his other job. We're just buying into the fact that

on shows like this that are work based character comedy shows, your work people are your friends. Your work people are your family. And people also buy into it because they want these people around. They want Andy there. They want Tom there. They want April there. It's just funny to me that sometimes

just take a step back to be like, oh yeah, why did Ben do this? Anyway, I've said my point. In my world, because of COVID,

it changed all the auditioning process. So when I have to do a self-tape, I have to haul in friends because you got to have

someone else doing it. Right, right, right. But this is a whole different thing. Yeah, yeah. This is his full-time job that he is now asking his other workers, other co-workers who have jobs.

Who have jobs. To come in here and do this. That they presumably are being paid for. Oh, and poor Andy. Poor Andy. Oh, my God. Yes. So, Andy, tell us, Jim.

Tell us where Andy is. Andy has classic symptoms of absolute depression. He has, his life is pointless. Nothing matters. Always tired. Can't sleep. Overeating. And none of my hobbies interest me. I mean, that is the. Nothing matters. Always tired. Can't sleep. Overeating. And none of my hobbies interest me.

I mean, that is the list. Yes. Of classic clinical depression. And that's the joke, unfortunately. I'm not speaking a joke out of depression. Right. But it's just, he's rattling off like a textbook example. Well, as we know, his whole dream, well, you know, that came and went quickly about being a cop is gone.

It just was gone. And it turns out, you know, remember, he did wonderful on the test. It was just personality-wise, Andy should not be around children when he has a gun because he wants them to have fun. He's going to give them a gun. And to be honest with you, I don't want anyone around children with a gun. Well, I don't either. I just want to put that out there to the world.

Particularly Andy. I'm going to say particularly. So anyway, but it was so, and Pratt, again, you know, just how he is. Yes. The falling to the floor. He's just. It was some of the hardest I've done in Andy moment. And we're going to get to it.

Okay. So let's synopsis some more, sir. Mr. O'Hare. Okay. With her speech stolen, Leslie turns to the Parks Department to help write new material on the fly. But all she can come up with are bad impressions of Borat and Nev Campbell. So bad. Meanwhile, Andy finds a good contender for the Sweetums Foundation to sponsor.

But Ben opts for a different charity, causing Andy to spiral back into his depression. Yeah. And we also have to remember. So when when Leslie is now realizing she's been screwed, she's panicked. She's sitting at that table because she knows what this is going to look like when she gets up there. Her jokes have been stolen. But we have forgotten that she's also upset because she feels Jerry is the one who got those jokes leaked because she's like,

I haven't shown these to anybody. Everybody had a copy, which I also thought was a little odd. Why would we all have copies of her speech? Well, I think it was in that prior scene when you were working on the speech. I know, but I don't know. I've been in things. I don't have copies of everyone's material.

If I'm at benefits and stuff, people have their own stuff. I think it's set up, Jim. No, it's a setup, of course. And it needed it because otherwise Jerry couldn't have screwed up the whole thing. Right. Even though he didn't, for the record, I've got to back up my boy Jerry. But there's a great, there's this poor Jerry moment when Leslie thinks he's lost it. And she's like, go stand in the corner

and think about what you've done. And no dessert. No dessert! It's like she's yelling at her child. Like truly, at that point, just like, stand in the corner. Like, okay. And no dessert? And let me tell you something. As someone who knows Jerry, that was what he was

looking forward to most of this event. He was looking forward to the desserts. Right. And so he heads over to that corner. And then quickly they cut to a waitress showing up with desserts. I know. And he looks. He waves it off.

Just no. Yeah, I know. Anyone else would have been like, oh, what can she do? I'm going to have whatever the hell's on here. Nope, not Jerry. He was told no desserts. Also, I love when we get a cut to Jerry when people are applauding for Leslie

and then just claps facing the wall. Just facing the wall. Leslie told me to face the wall and I got a clap for her. She's Leslie, but I'm not allowed to turn. I love that man. He's so sweet. Yes, he's a good guy.

Okay, so back at Ben's office, Tom has slipped into his full treat yourself mode. Oh, yeah. Do you know what I mean? Yes. And he tosses a charity because Ben calls him out for not really working. He's like, no, I found a charity. And he tosses something, which turns out to be a KKK charity.

In Pawnee? Why is there a KKK charity? Well, I think it just happens to be a foundation that lives in Pawnee, right? I know. I hope. So this came from somewhere else. Or you know what?

He can crop up anywhere. It can. And Pawnee has a tough history. It does have a tough history. It does have. Yeah. Well, on that lovely note, let's move on with our synopsis, sir.

After coming clean to Ron about her ficus situation, Ron helps Anne find the courage to ask Chris to be her sperm donor. Meanwhile, after Jerry finds his copy of the speech in his shoe, Leslie realizes someone has hacked her email and Donna comes up with a plan to catch the culprit

Jim we have a good Perd moment in this episode Perd Happily is here one we have him standing with Chris when Anne is there talking about her ficus situation but we also have Chris talking about his spirit animal it's a jaguar

and Perd is a dogth is a doggy. Of course. Is a doggy. I remember the writer's room at the time when that line, the fact that he says it's a doggy, people were dying. Just picturing Perth happily saying

the story of my... Yeah, pretty much he's saying the story of my... Every time you think of him saying something, it begins with the story of... The story of my whatever is it's a doggy. Not a breed. No. Just a doggy. Just a doggy. And we

have that same joke style because when Anne blurts out her question and Pert is right there, he says the story of this situation is it's extremely personal. And it is. And it is. And it really is.

And I felt badly for Anne there because, I don't know. Listen, again, it's a comedy TV show. It's funny. It's funny that Pert Happily is there. This is a very personal thing. She is telling a lot of people about this thing that she's thinking about, right? She's living out loud with this topic.

But then I just felt awkward. I felt badly for Anne. She's right there. Perd's there. And it's probably a little embarrassing, right? I would think incredibly embarrassing. Yeah, yeah. You're not embarrassing to be doing this in your life.

No. I want that to be clear. The situation of having to ask. That is a private moment, maybe over dinner. Which is why she's been so uncomfortable. She's been waiting for the... And it's a lesson. It's a lesson that sometimes when you wait for the perfect time,

the perfect time never comes. And in fact, you should live in the now and just make the time perfect by doing it. Yep. Having said that, it's uncomfortable. Yep. Which is why it's also great that Bird's there

because he can break it with a joke that the story of the situation is it is extremely personal. Yes. Give us this feeling, Jim. Okay, so we find out that Jerry

Yeah. did not fuck up. He did not. In fact, he had a Leslie speech obviously in his shoe for safekeeping. Which is where you would put

a speech for some reason. What does Jerry say? It's a little moist. It's a little moist, but it's still here. Yeah. And he's proud of that. How does Jerry feel at this moment? Well, relief, number one.

And also just to cut in, when I say it's moist but it's still here, there's a little reaction from Donna that is, because again, Reddick can, with a look, just kill. She can just kill. There's a little reaction from Donna that is, because again, Reddick can, with a look, just kill. She can just kill. There's a great moment with that. But no, Jerry is like, he's so,

it's a mixture of relief and pride. I didn't lose it. No, no, no. Here it is. I mean, I don't think he thinks it's weird at all that it's in his shoe.

That makes perfect sense. Okay, so now we're back at the foundation and we get some surprising clarity from Andy. Yes. Because he actually finds a really good program. Yeah, the music program.

The music program, it would be effective, but sadly, the ambulance is going to help people right away, and it would look good in the media. But you're saying that like, that's Andy saying it. When he is just like riffing, he's like, yeah, I get it. It'd be good, but the ambulance would help people right away. We'll look good in the media. And Ben's reaction, it's like that. It's twofold. He's like, that is right.

But also, wow, Andy saying that. But it was it was heartbreaking because, first of all, the whole Andy episode, this episode is just so sad because we you love Andy. he's such the goofball and he's this and he's that and you want him to win you know even though it's going to be crazy however he wins and he's there he's at the end of his rope and april's trying to push him forward to go forward and he does come up with a really solid idea the music program would be effective, and he loves music, so it all made sense. It all made sense. And so to have it shot down, not meanly,

it wasn't like Ben said, well, that's the dumbest idea. It was a great idea. Right, but when his eyes tear up, when Andy Dwyer is about to real sad cry, it's like when you see any character do something that's not their normal. It's like when you see any character do something that's not their normal.

Yeah. Right? It's heartbreaking. And so Andy and Pratt plays this so well. He's about to cry and he like holds it in and that way we all do. And we're like, we don't want to show that side of ourselves. Yeah. Like, oh my God, I feel awful for him.

And I think sometimes it's tougher to see somebody fighting it than when the tears are rolling. Right, right. It's like, oh my God, they're doing everything. And he knew he had to get somebody fighting it than when the tears are rolling. Right, right. It's like, oh, my God, they're doing everything. And he knew he had to get out of there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He got up. His eyes were red and watered.

And he's like, I got to go. Yes. He knew where this was headed. Yes. Ah, that was heartbreaking. And so now when we're here at the other side of it, and he's kind of like, you know, he's come to terms with it. He's like, I understand my idea is not, it's a good idea, but there's this other idea that's really good. He doesn't

realize that he's demonstrating the skill set he has here, that he would actually be good to work here. He's got a big heart. And he says, listen, you could save a lot of money. Imagine all the money you could save if you didn't have to pay for this expensive stuff. Of course then he also says that he also

farted and he didn't smell it until five minutes later. And that's how tight his pants are. You got to have a joke. It's a comedy show. So funny. Yes. So funny. Well, Jim, let us finish our synopsis.

Yes, go for it. Back at the Parks Department, Anne is still trying to avoid Chris out of embarrassment. But Chris approaches her with kindness, explaining he's honored by her proposal, but just needs a little more time to consider his answer. Meanwhile, Leslie and Donna have set a trap to catch Kim Trulando

in the act of the hack. And Kim walks right into it. Yes. I love the moment with Anne and Chris because it was so human. Yes. He shouldn't just say,

well, yes or no. That is something you got to think about. Yes. And he plays it in this way to like, you know. So sweet. It is really lovely. I loved it. this way that like, you know. So sweet. It is really lovely.

I loved it. And she's like, well, of course. No, it takes the time you need. But then, it runs on her. She's ovulating

next Thursday. But also, yeah, I'm itching to do this and I'm ovulating and blah, blah, blah. And you just see Chris walk off just being like,

I have something to think about. I got to think about this. I have a thing to think about. Yeah. Great moment. Yes.

Great moment. Leslie catches Kim with a Star Wars reference. I think this was also a great thing, which was you just needed to prove that she was hacking the emails. And so whatever she said that was unique was going to be the

gotcha. So it's great and silly and stupid that it's the reference to midichlorians, this fictional substance found in the blood of Jedi Knights from the movie Star Wars Episode I, the Phantom Menace. Which of course she got from Ben. Leslie would never know that. And she says, Ben says

it's the worst movie and it almost came in the franchise or whatever. But it feels good in a way that the early season two and three parks episodes did where we got you. We found a clever solution and we proved our point

and we won. And I love Donna in this big scene too. First of all, we're all in the room together and Leslie's like, we got to figure out what's going on. Check all my old emails. And then Donna,

she figures it out and she's like, clear the room. She's got it. But in this scene where they get Kim and Donna's so proud to be like, I sent Leslie that. Right? I think she's proud

to have Leslie's back. Is what I'm saying. And Jim, in the tag, Ben offers Andy a job. He has parties and jobs much? We have a job offer. Ben offers Andy a job as his assistant at the Sweetums Foundation,

pulling Andy out of his depression and back to his usual lovable self. Though it took a minute to get there because Andy really wasn't grasping what Ben was trying to say. That is one of my favorite Andy moments from the series. And I say that because

I forgot about it. But just watching him sit back in his chair in the patio and Ben is saying, and that person is like, who is it? I was cracking up at home watching it. By myself, watching the show, cracking up.

And that just shows you, it's a good show we made. We were in a good show. I will say that quite unhumbly. It's a good show we made. And it's a good episode. Jim, we got to the end of the story, but it's not the end of our episode, because as you know, we need some of your crap.

I got lots of crap. I told you I had that colonoscopy. So, anyway, people have different opinions of vacations and what they want to do. But Leslie is talking to everybody and she goes, we went and visited Honolulu City Hall. And April, of course, totally messing with her. Shut up. Leslie, I know. April, oh, my God, what was it like? Leslie, oh, it was

amazing. Well, I mean, it looked amazing. It was closed. April, oh my God, bummer. And then that look to the camera, like I played her that, oh, just, I love me some April moments. And then when Leslie meets Kim, not meets her, she knows who she is. They've met before, but Amy's performance in Nice to Meet You Too. There's this just great moment how just Amy's performance just stuck out and it gave me the happiness that made me smile. And then Jessica Wicks, who runs the Sweetums, you know, it's her place. There has been a rumor that perhaps rats are involved in the candy. And Ben brings it up to her and she goes, well, you know what they say about rumors. They're mostly true.

And Ben goes, including the rat? And she goes, yeah. What are you going to do? It's where all the taste comes from. That is disgusting. Yes. And you guys think about all the crap we've eaten over the years that we didn't know about. Okay.

I know. I don't want to. Anyway, so that's some of my crap. That's great crap. I'm going to give us our gifts, parties, and jobs. We talked about one. Andy has offered a new job as the assistant slash idea man at the foundation. Ben starts his new job

at the Sweden's foundation. There are gifts all around from their honeymoon and the cold open. I guess Chris is sort of offered a job. We'll call it a task as a sperm donor. And maybe we could say the correspondence lunch. It guess Chris is sort of offered a job. We'll call it a task as a sperm donor. And maybe we could say the correspondence lunch, it could count as a party.

It could count as a party. Yes, it was. It was party-esque. It was dessert. Yes. Jerry didn't get any, but there was dessert. Final thoughts

on the episode, Jim. I love the episode. As an episode overall, I thought it was great. We move along the Anne and Chris story big time. But also, like you said earlier, the Leslie story, it was just back to...

Classic Parks. Back to Classic Parks. Yeah, and it's a bit of like the War Room style Leslie, right? Yeah, big time. There's a problem, and I'm going to get my team together, and we're going to figure it out, and we're going to be in the trenches together. But do you know what? We got this, and we will triumph cleverly.

Yes. And it's very satisfying. And we got to see a Andy that we hadn't seen before. Yes. And I love that. When you get to see a character do something you haven't seen before. Totally. That's awesome.

And I know we're doing a comedy, but those were some tough moments to watch. Right. In a very heartbreaking way. You know, it's tough. I was thinking about who my episode MVP will go to. I will say I really, really, really, really love that moment from Andy in the courtyard

at the end of the episode and when he's really sad earlier on. But there's something at the end of the day, I'm thinking that it's Anne. Interesting. I'm thinking it's Anne because maybe not

the most valuable person in the A story. But this is a storyline that I've talked about. It's like, you know, it's interesting. It's a bit of a turn and you have to really sell it.

And in the same way that it took me a while to really get into it in the same way you felt about the Anne and Tom relationship. But this is the episode that I was like,

okay, I'm in. I'm on board. I think it's where she is playing of it in its Ann. So you weren't going to say Jerry, meaning me. No, I have a rule I would never say Jerry. Oh, just making sure. For me, my MVP, I see exactly what you're saying, but I think I have to go with my

boy, my boy Pratt. I just, the Andy stuff was just special and different than what we've seen. And I guess I'm also throwing in performance. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. And I don't know. I mean, of course, we should have nailed it.

So it's a tough one. Maybe I'll give it a toss-up, but I was leaning toward Andy. Great. Yes. Well, listeners, let us know who your MVP is by tweeting at Team Cocoa Podcast or by using the hashtag, hashtag Parks and Recollection. We love to hear it. We do

love to hear it. And I would normally hear say, thank you all for listening, but you got to listen some more because speaking of Pawneans and perhaps most valuable Pawneans, we have this amazing conversation. We recently sat down with Jamie Denbo,

who played Pawnee Sun's tabloid reporter, Kim Terlando, the one we've been talking about. Here is what she had to say. We have Jamie Denbo in the house. Hello. Hi, Jamie. Hello, hello. She played Kim Terlando. Now, for those who remember, she does something we don the house. Hello. Hi, Jamie. Hello, hello. She played Kim Turlando.

Now, for those who remember, she does something we don't like. Yeah. She screws over our Leslie. Yeah. And we can allow a lot of things. Yes. But we're not going to allow that. So, welcome, Jamie.

Thank you so much for having me. I'd love to tell you it was the one and only time I've played a bitch on television. Well, listen, just the 10 minutes we've been chatting, I can see why. Hello, everybody. Thank you so much. I'm doing my shtick. I'm doing my shtick. Exactly.

I just want to say before we even get into the thing about you being on our show and stuff, I'm obviously a big fan of yours. Recently, we ran into each other at UCB. Yes, we did. Was I in full costume? You were. Yes. Then I was doing my alter ego Beverly.

Yes. I think it was for a game show that they were putting Yes. Then I was doing my alter ego Beverly. Yes. I think it was for a game show that they were putting up. It was definitely a game show. And I was so delighted to see Jim back there because I was like, I'm going to do the podcast. Oh, that's so fun. And I was doing the monologuist for ASCAP. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But my question is, so I see you there and I'm like, I mean, you are someone who works a lot. You have a lot going on. You must love it because that is an improvisational situation.

You certainly don't have to be there. And yet there you are. I think it was a Saturday night. Of course, the crowds love it and they love you. That I understand. Jim, I turned down a lot of other big deal things to be there. I just want to get that out. A lot of Saturday night games.

Yeah, I was pretty in demand. So I mean, you're right. You're not wrong. You know what? I do love it. I still love it. I, you know, it is my joy. Improv is so many things to so many people.

It has fueled so much of my skill set that I've been using, particularly in my latest chapter, which is super weird. And we can talk about that. I also find that it helps keep me... It's so obnoxious. It helps keep my sensibility relevant because there's always younger and cooler people

like yourself, Jim. Oh, yeah, baby. You're talking about the cooler part. Certainly not the younger. I'll take the younger part. To me, in so many ways, it's,

it looks different. The scene looks different in so many ways. It's highly improved, but it was dangerous back in the day. I mean, we would watch Amy Poehler and Ian Roberts and Matt and Matt back in the, you know, it was like watching a masterclass in saving moments.

You know, that to me was some of the most exciting stuff you got to see. I still watch it on YouTube. It's all over YouTube. Oh, yeah. Yeah, it's fun to do. I don't think they taped the ones at Solo Arts, which was the fire hazard back on 20-something street in Chelsea in 1997 and 98, which was when I was in the audience for them. And dating myself. Whatever. Yeah. You'd think I'm old to do

this anymore, and here I am. But yeah, I mean, I was a fan for a long time. Oh, dating yourself, like how your age. I felt like you were on like an eat, pray, love kind of experience. And that is the 37th chapter. Oh, I can't wait to hear 38.

It must have been therefore quite fun to show up on set at Parks and Rec with not just Amy there but I mean

oh yeah unfortunately Jim being there too but like you get stuck with some stuff but I mean Nick Offerman and these amazing

Alison Becker in the episode Mo Collins who I've known forever Susan Yeagley who I've known I mean I didn't see her that day but it it's like I was rewatching the episode. I was like, oh, yeah, all these people are on my phone.

It was a big episode of guest stars. There was a lot of guest stars that episode. And like we ladies of the generation. So it's like, you know, Mo and Susan and, you know, I't know that leslie grossman ever did a parks america i know she was on the good place um jillian vigman also sort of in that lots of us ladies who are all we all kind of were in the same audition rooms yes and after a certain point too like i think the time we all started having kids like it went from like side eyeing each other in the waiting room to hey can you watch my baby while I go in there?

You'll get this one, I'll get the next one. And then it's like, you just become really good friends. Like nothing would make me happier than to do a project with every one of those people, those blonde white women in this age group and just like, let's fucking... Because you only work with white women. Isn't that what I had read? I'm so glad you brought that up.

Yes. What chapter is that in your book? You can check my Instagram for my racism. It's really profound. No, but I know what you mean. The thought to do a project with those people

you competed against. Oh my God. And now it's just life has gone on. Everyone's okay. Everyone's great. Let's work together. We all kind of meet in the middle.

Whatever, in our adolescence, our careers, whatever that is. We all start out with a certain level of ambition and racing and paranoia that if we don't get it, it's not going to, something's not going to happen. It is not going to happen, this elusive it. And, you know, particularly for women in comedy, you know, I came up in the time,

I always say that there's pre-Broad City and post-Broad City. And I say that because Broad City also marks the time that Tina and Amy were in such good, high positions of power that they could then create spaces for women to take the lead in the comedic role. And made sure they did. Up until then, there was room for, you know, one or two at a time on a Herald team. One or two at a time. And they were always white. And they were always one brunette, one blonde. It was the Betty Veronica syndrome. That was the 90s. large is so much more inclusive because it was all unnecessary. But it's also how these things grow and improve over the years. So it was what it was. But it's interesting because you're right.

I mean, the joy I have now running into these people. I saw yesterday, J. Emma Williamson. You know her, right? Nice, yes. So, I mean, we ran into each other. How many times we were in a waiting room together? Ran into her at Starbucks.

We talked for 45 minutes. Like, it's the greatest. Incidentally, she's doing Mike Schur's new show. Oh, that's right. She was Wendy. She was Wendy on Mattifarx.

Yeah, and it's just like... Mike knew her in college, I believe. Yeah, I think they were buddies. Oh, she's super talented. So sweet. So funny. So sweet.

You know, just constantly breaking the women, beautiful women aren't funny routine. Right. Because, boy, she's a beautiful lady. So did you work with Amy prior to doing this episode? Like, had you ever done improv with her? Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I knew Amy, you know, like I Yeah, yeah, yeah. I knew Amy,

you know, like I said, Amy was, so back when Amy was teaching level two, I mean, that was the real beginnings of things. She was waitressing and teaching. Everybody was, that was really back in the day. And I was part of that generation of New York improvisers who were lucky enough to be taught by all four of them and Armando Diaz and to be coached by Kevin Mullaney at the time. And we were the first generations of Herald teams. And, you know, for me, like my crew is, or class, comedy grade,

would have been Paul Scheer and Rob Hubel and Riggle and Corddry and Ed Helms and John Ross Bowie and Daniel Schneider and Donna Furman and Corddry, and Ed Helms, and John Ross Bowie, and Daniel Schneider, and Donna Furman, and Jessica St. Clair, and like all these amazingly talented human beings. And, you know, we did the first Del Close marathon, people wound up on stage together, whether they sort of, you know, had planned it or not. So I know I worked with her a few times. And then my, the most amazing thing, and I still have the postcard and it is buried somewhere. I did an all-woman improv show. One time, it had Kate Walsh, Amy Poehler, Tina Fey, Rachel Dratch, and me.

Wow. That's a lineup. Yeah, I saved that card. That was pretty amazing. And I had been invited to be part of that. And as I recall, I didn't thoroughly embarrass myself, but no one knows because we didn't have iPhones. So it could have been a disaster. But, you know, at that time, you know, Tina was already writing on SNL. And Amy, you know, they were starting to do their show, the Upright Citizens Brigade show.

So we were all getting bit parts on that as well. And we became friends. You know, Amy and I became pretty good friends at that time. I mean, you know, over the years, we, we definitely got the chance to improvise here and there doing Ask Catwood here, here and there in LA when the theater opened. I mean, this is now going back, you know, 25, 26 years. So I like Kevin Dorff. I'm one of those lucky people where I did not audition for Parks and Rec. You just got the phone call. Correct. Oh, isn Kevin Dorff, am one of those lucky people where I did not audition for Parks and Rec. You just got the phone call.

Correct. Oh, isn't there anything? There's nothing better than that. Look, it's very likely someone dropped out. A lot of the stuff on my resume is Mindy Sterling is sick. So can you come be our maid? You know, this has happened many times, which, by the way, I am a reliable pinch hitter. I will take that role.

Well, I could say that we often would cast from the long roster of UCB. And because sometimes casting would send us great people and it just didn't work out for that role. And sometimes it would be last minute or, you know, the day before shooting, you have to find someone and we think of who is funny,

who knows somebody. And we think of the UCB world because there was a, you know, a comedy engine taught there. Well, and there was a practice of using so many of us in these bit parts, whether it was showing up in New York, showing up for bits on Conan,

whether it was showing, and by the way, getting notified several hours before. You know, showing up, being ready, being professional, and being an improviser in sort of spirit, knowing that you're going to have to go with what is presented to you. Not necessarily meaning like, and changing the lines and making it better.

Not that. This is last minute. You got to make it work. Adapt. And the other thing to say is that, you know, I worked for Alison Jones for a short bit, who was a guest on our podcast early in the day. Oh my gosh. And something I learned in that time is that you're going to bring in generally the same type of people and the same people a lot because they're great. They might be right for this role or they might be wrong for this role or they might be wrong for this role or they might be right for this role, but the director doesn't think they're right or whatever it is. It's about

the alchemy of all the people involved, right? And you shouldn't just pretend like, oh, I brought them in for one role and they didn't get it and therefore I can never think of them again. But their names existed like Adam Scott was auditioned for the pilot and he didn't wind up joining until what,

episode 28 or whatever that is. But he's in the universe. And so your name is in our universe. And so here's a great role. And the role is someone who has to go head to head in a really funny new way with Leslie. And so to bring someone that Amy would be comfortable with, and we talked about this a lot, we have these fun runs that I think have now become famous in comedy TV recording, but every episode ended with just a fun improv run that had to stick to story, but a lot of fun. And this gimmick of this episode, right? So good.

Which is all about being funny and meanly funny in a way that improv is also quite good at. It felt like it was the right person. By the way, also in retro, I have a 16-year-old daughter and Parks and Rec was her comfort food through the pandemic. I mean, this is the only thing she's ever cared that I've done. That's great. Very happy about that. No, but that makes it... So you keep saying, so what are you working on now that we're mentioning? So I write... We know, but let's have Jamie say it.

I write on a little show called Grey's Anatomy. I've heard... That rings a bell. I really hope you guys get another season. Jim, have you been on it well i'm gonna tell you something one of my great embarrassments because let me here's how it works for actors if you never did an er something was wrong like why didn't you do an er in la if you're in new york and you didn't do a law and order what's wrong with you yeah that show has been tripling people by so no i've never done a grace now there's What's wrong with you? Yeah. That show's been tripling people. So, no, I've never done a Grace.

So what's wrong with you? Exactly. No, believe me. I understand. I've never done a Grace. And there was something that looked like it was going to happen, and then it just didn't for the show. But I'm just saying, so no.

But I have that. Guess what? We're going into season 21. I know. There's another season. So you'll get your chance. I think it's time for a Jim O'Hare question mark post-it note on your computer. Let me tell you something. There's a lot of ParksHare question mark post-it note on your computer.

Let me tell you something. There's a lot of Parks and Rec fans in that writer's room. Trust me. No, but it's funny because I recently said to my manager, I'm going, I'm going to be one of those people who have never done that show. And people will, well, it was on for 50 years. What will they say about me at the end of my time? Exactly. He's got 200 credits in IMDb, but not one of them is Grey's Anatomy.

So John Rose Bowie always talks about the trifecta of CSIs for a while. Like it was like CSI New York, CSI, regular CSI and wherever the other CSI was. And it was like, if you don't do all three, like it's incomplete. You know what I mean? He still only has two and he's like, yeah. It's the CSI you got. It's true. ER, it was ER, then it was Law and Order, and now it's Grey's Anatomy.

So you have been with them for how long? This, three seasons. Wow, that's awesome. Yeah, I am so grateful and so lucky. Can I ask you a question about Grey's then? Because in my early days of my career, I was a PA on ER. Ah, yes. And there were two writers on the show who were also doctors.

Oh, yeah. And so they would do a lot of the medicine who were also doctors. Oh, yeah. And so they would do a lot of the medicine. Medical medical. And so the joke was sometimes writers were just like, medicine, medicine, medicine. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Is that a thing? Not only do we write medical medical.

Yeah. You know, very often an entire scene in the OR will be like, what about the medical? Well, I medicaled him. Did you medical medical? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I love that. And very rarely, but it does happen that we'll make it to a table read, which is delightful. Like, is it as an accident or we haven't gotten to this yet? It's an accident. And it's really funny. We do have, we have a full-time doctor consultants that,

that assist in the writing. I don't think that they have writer credits. They haven't, whatever. But they are definitely ever-present, thank God. I've been a neurosurgeon once and they had to bring in because I couldn't pronounce the words.

No, of course. I could not pronounce the words. We have a pronunciation guide. It was crazy. At the beginning of every episode. Now, it's one of the last things before the production draft goes out is our writer's

assistants put together, or medical researcher puts together the pronunciation guide. And we have, listen, Jim Pickens and Chandra Wilson have been on the show since the very beginning. They are absolutely the most solid stellar human beings on this planet. They still need the pronunciation guide. Yes, that makes sense. Because they're still actors. Yeah.

They're not doctors. Right, right, right. Yeah. You're like, if something were to happen, they're not going to operate on me. And also, because you do have to know, you have to be telling the truth. And I didn't know what I was saying. And I also needed them to guide me as to, I need to know what I'm saying and why I'm saying it. So if I don't know what that word is or what that does, I can't bring the truth to that.

Well, it's a collaboration with those consultant doctors because, you know, very often when you complete a scene or a draft and you then hand it over and say, I actually, I know what is, what is factually true here, but we're trying to convey that this person is, you know, very close to flatlining and, and that, that reflects that also sort of mirrors their relationship, which is flatlining.

So I'm going to just twist it a little bit and we're, we come to a place where they can be satisfied with some of what we've left. That's real. Right. Right. And then they're like, this takes normally about we've left that's real. Right, right. And then... They're like, this takes normally

about two days for someone to... Like, well, unfortunately, I have about 40 minutes of time. Oh, my God. How about everybody who has just awakened from their massive surgery

with completely ready for a conversation? Yeah, yeah. If you've ever had a colonoscopy, you're like, yeah, yeah. I mean, it's like,

you know, that to me is like, yeah, that drives them all nuts. Now, let me ask, just because we are doing a Parks andopy, you're like, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, it's like, you know, that to me is like, yeah, that drives them all nuts. Now, let me ask, just because we are doing a Parks and Rec election. Of course we are. Of course. How awful was your time with us? Was it just miserable?

Were you hating all of us? And rank everybody based. And rank from like Amy down to Jim, like in the range. Wow, down to Jim. Well, we have established that I have racial preferences. Yes. You know what's funny? No, we're going to get into it.

It was so fun. It was on location. I cannot, it was driving me nuts trying to remember where that banquet hall was because it was so old school. I mean, it was decorated without all of the sort of set dressing. I mean, it was decorated without all of the sort of set dressing. I mean, it really did look like it was from 1965 and it was about to have a ladies' lunch.

It had that pink that was there. But I just remember, I think I really, it was so delightful to see Mo, to see Alison Becker. Yeah. And like, you know, I mean, it was really nice. Yeah, and we, you know, we've talked to a lot of our guests and we've talked about this a lot, that it was a very loving, lovely was really nice. And we, you know, we've talked to a lot of our guests and we've talked about this a lot, that it was a very loving, lovely atmosphere on set in the writer's room.

There was just this feeling of like, we're very lucky. We're no assholes. We're just having a good time here. And so this must have been just a really fun, especially fun time on set. Oh, I think it was like you guys had found your groove. This thing was a hit. So you feel like you're getting validation for how fun it is. Like, oh, other people think it's fun too. Like they're watching. I mean, I definitely feel like it was, you were all in your stride at that time. And I was just like lucky to be there. But for me, it was like a chance to,

it always is these days. You know, I think at that point, it's 2013. So yeah, my youngest is four at that point. It was prime. He's getting kicked out of preschool and being a monster phase. So, you know, I mean, just having the opportunity to like be among hilarious people.

I mean, that's all. And listen, I'm sure you've talked about the bits. I mean, it's just bit central. Although, as I recall, that's all. And listen, I'm sure you've talked about the bits. I mean, it's just bit central. Although, as I recall, it's so funny. I don't think because it was such a big set, lots of background, lots to manage, lots of people at that mic, lots to cover.

Yeah, yeah. Less fun running at that particular one because I think it was too many people. So much had to get done. I mean, if you think about just the page count for that episode in that room, you know, and all the different things So much had to get done. I mean, if you think about just the page count for that episode in that room, you know, and all the different things that they had to get.

So I remember there being fun runs during the later scene in the press conference, for sure, because that was a little bit more focused and easy and two shots and everything else. But yeah, I mean, I just, to me, it was like, okay, let's go back to the, let's go back to the chairs and catch up.

That's so fun. That is great. Do you love getting to play a... It's pretty awesome. Yeah, isn't it pretty awesome to get to play that kind of snarky... I mean, I definitely fell into a pattern for a while of playing. And I swear, I am a nice person. And what's funny is that my alter ego, Beverly, for those of you who know Beverly,

she's the sweetest. She's sweet as... She's not a bitch. those of you who know Beverly, she's the sweetest. She's sweet as pie. She's not a bitch. But when I take the wig off, I am apparently a ball-busting biatch because most of my roles are in a boardroom. I usually have some kind of pantsuit. That's didn't this one. I was grateful for having a dress. That's such a funny thing to say. And most of my roles are in a boardroom. Yep. Yep. In a boardroom. In a pantsuit.

In a pantsuit, yelling at someone who has not- You may have seen me in a boardroom. In a pantsuit. Yelling at someone who has not... You may have seen me in a boardroom on this show. Or just a super mean mom. For a while, I was always in a PTA. There was always a sweater set. It was a time. The aughts were a time. There was also a type of character that we saw a lot, perhaps.

Maybe too many times. For sure. And I... But listen... Not from you, I'm saying in general in writing. Absolutely. But I definitely filled that role a lot. And listen,

for me, maybe that's why when I get the chance to do, you know, Beverly or show up at improv shows, you know, I take that chance because for a while,

yeah, for a while I was definitely like, oh, she's good and mean. Now, to be fair, I'm afraid my husband's going to listen to this and be like,

yeah. Truth and comedy. Old news. Already know this. Uh- yeah. Truth in comedy. Old news. Already know this. Yeah. Thank you so much. You killed it in this role. Yes, yes.

You killed it. It's so fun to have people at Grey's admire me for Kim Turlando. I love it. It's like a specific joy. You're like, I'm your coworker.

I bring something to the table here. Like, yes, but this other thing you've also done is also great. Pretty cool. You have over 100, because again, did my homework.

You have over 115 credits. Now, someone told me before, and by someone, some random actor, well, if you've had a career with over 100 credits in IMDb, you made it. So, Jamie Denbo. Yes. You've made it. I knew it. Thank you so much. This was knew it. Thank you so much.

This was a treat. Thank you so much. Thank you. And that is Jamie Denbo. She's awesome. We had a great conversation. I just don't get it. How can such a nice person play such a schmuck?

Well, you have experience, sir. How dare you? How dare you? No, it was fantastic to chat with Jamie. And it's fantastic, as always, Jim, to sit and chat with you and to speak into the world about our show. We love it. We do.

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