Part Of The Problem - Game Over For The Dems?

Episode Date: March 25, 2025

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Bernstein, you were talking, you got caught. Ha ha. You look stupid. How are you, sir? I'm doing well. Film some real stupid shit over the weekend. Excited to get it out. The nice part about being home. That's what I like to hear. I like to know that when we're not on the road, you're, you're filming stupid shit. This is, this is the most highly produced stupidest thing I've done yet. Check it out. Really newsroom on YouTube. It will be out this week. Ooh, that was quite a good, a good promo. I like that. You've got me excited. And of course then, uh, this weekend me and you are going back up to Baston.

Very excited for that. I haven't been to Boston in too long. Uh, and it's only a few days away now at 27th, 28th and 29th, we will be up at laugh Boston, uh, comic davesmith.com for those tickets. And then I'm off to the races, doing a lot of traveling and a bunch for a standup. And then some other big podcasts coming up, comicdavessmith.com. There's also Nashville is next. I think there's still some tickets for those shows. And then yay, it will be on the road for the rest of the year. I know you got some other headline gigs coming up, Rob. Isn't that right?

I got a steamboat. I think it's April 5th and 6th. Then the weekend after that, I've got a Des Moines. I think I finally got that right. Hanging out at a libertarian event. Scott Horton's there the next night. I think Joshua Smith lives out there. He got some cool stuff coming on going on. So coming out, I'm doing a standup Friday night. All right. Sounds good. All right. right, well let's, let's get into it for today. There's a, um, uh, a lot going on in the world or a few things that, uh, we specifically wanted to, uh, to talk about. And I guess, you know, I, I, sometimes I, I wonder like at a, at a point right now,

I think, I don't know if this is true, but I think probably of all the times that I've been in this podcasting game, it has been a decent amount of time at this point. There's probably never been a period of time where I've felt like there was more, um, that was more interesting. There was more just kind of like incredible things going on where you're like, Oh, this is like truly historic. Uh, there's also, um,

there's kind of never been a time where there were more options of what to talk about and more distractions than right now. I just found it kind of interesting as I'm like preparing for the show and I'm kind of like, all right, well, yeah, this, this seems like a lot of, but a lot of do about nothing. See, this kind of seems like a distraction. And then I'm like trying to more and more focus on like, what are the major things going on right now? And to some,

in some ways I was like a little bit torn because as I've mentioned, you know, to you, Rob, several times, I, and to all of you listeners, one of the things, you know, it's almost easy at this point to like ignore the Democrats. Like right now you could almost find yourself just being like, well, they're down and out, they're losers, they're irrelevant. You know, the corporate media is irrelevant, all of this. So let's just focus on this. But I can't help but feeling that number one, it's a really interesting story

where the Democrats go from here and that it's actually something important to talk about. Like what, when you see one of the major two political parties more defeated than at any point in my life, it's like, are they going the way of the wigs? Are they going to make some giant comeback? What, you know what I mean? Like, and what exactly is what, what is going to be changed about the Democrats going forward? Cause it's gotta be something. And anyway, that's just something that's been on my mind. And it's kind of what the,

the first two clips that I have on, on today's show are about that topic. Just to be clear, I don't mean to suggest that like we should prioritize focus on this over focus on what the current administration is doing. I think we could try to do, do both over the next coming weeks and months, but I do find it very interesting when there is, um, when the recent events have been so devastating for the Democrats. And then you see all of these different kinds of competing forces and these

competing ideas, if you want to call them that of what we do going forward. I do find that interesting. Um, okay. So, uh, why don't we, we could jump right into this. I'd say, let's, let's start with, um, with the first video that I sent you Alex, which is, um, Ellie Mistel. Um, I, I don't think I ever had that name memorized,

but I know he is the fat black guy with white hair on MSNBC. I know that much about him. I've seen him many times and he's an unforgettable, uh, figure to see, but I do have to say now, I know this is a little bit unfair cause this is MSNBC and no one watches, but I did find this to be really interesting because with all of the kind of different, you know, I did find this to be really interesting because with all of the kind of different, you know,

the dynamic is that essentially I think Democrats were denying reality for a very long time. Um, denying reality in any area of life, I think most people who are, let's say adult age people, maybe say 25 and over have probably at least once in their life, if not a few times learned what is an invaluable life lesson. This is, it applies to all areas of life, but that denying reality is a dangerous game and reality has a way of slapping you in the face when you ignore it, you know, you can ignore reality,

but the fact is it's still reality. And that eventually, you know, like if, if you're ignoring gravity and you jump off a balcony, reality is going to slap you in the face. In this case, it would be the ground. And what Democrats are dealing with by and large is that they, you know, they, they staked out very unpopular positions for many years. They, um, they denied the unpopularity of those opinions.

They denied the mental state of the former president of the United States of America. They denied a lot. And that reality came and slapped them in the face. And now they can't deny it anymore. So they're all making different attempts to grapple with it and different attempts to strategize. Here is the latest that I've seen on MSNBC. Okay, so like what? Well, we could eliminate all voter registration laws. See, when Democrats get in Well, all voter registration lo

get in charge, we try to We don't make voting easi voter eligibility requirme disagree about what those be. But you know, I'm goi should be an age limit to 16, you might say 18, but eight, right? So we're go should be an age limit to vote. I might say 16, you might say 18, but I'm not gonna say eight, right?

So we're gonna agree that there should be voter eligibility requirements, but once you're eligible, why do you have to preregister? Why is that even a thing? It wasn't a thing in this country at the founding. We didn't have voter preregistration in 1787. We didn't have voter preregistration in 1821.

We only started having voter registration, generally speaking, after the Civil War. Why do you think that is? didn't have voter registration in 1821. We only started having voter registration, generally speaking, after the Civil War. Why do you think that is? Because a bunch of freed African slaves were migrating up north and all of a sudden New York was like, we need some registration up in here, right? A bunch of immigrants from Europe, mainly Ireland and Italy were coming to New York. People were like, oh, we need some registration in here. If you're eligible to vote, you should be automatically registered to vote. And that is how they do it everywhere else but us. Everywhere else but us either has automatic registration or some other form of forced

registration for everybody so that you don't have this disconnect between eligible voters and registered voters. That's the first law in the book that we could change. And to see how that's different than just saying, we have to protect voting rights. No, no, we don't have to protect voting rights. We have to expand voting rights so that the 90 million people that sat on the couch and sat out this last election

between democracy and fascism, so that maybe they had a little bit of an easier time to get up off the couch and come participate in the democracy. All right. Now, I think it might be fairly obvious why this caught my eye. I just think it's, look, there's a lot

that was just like kind of packed in there and we can get into it. I'd like to kind of parse all this out. Rob, I don't know if you're for voter registration, but if you are, you're racist. That's the takeaway. Um, but isn't there, there seems to me to be something of an interesting admission kind of buried within this strategy, um, which is essentially that we've,

we've kind of given up on the electorate. You know, it's like, look, I don't think we can win with this electorate. So what if we get all these other people who aren't voting? You know, it's funny to me like what the mentality of this would be because you're saying 90 million people sat out the last election between democracy and fascism. And yet those are the people you're counting on the people who saw, you know, democracy versus fascism on the ballot and couldn't even be bothered to, you know, it's a, it's a pretty minimal effort what it takes to vote. Like I I've never, I've never talked to any voter. Maybe

I'm just talking to the wrong groups of people, but I've never talked to any voter who is like, it is just insane what they make you go through in order to vote. There's lots of other things where that would be my complaint. Like it's insane what it takes for me to build a fence in my backyard. That is genuinely insane. It's insane that I have to go down and wait in a line and pay a fee and then come back months later, just to put a goddamn garden in my fucking backyard. But I've never heard anyone say that about voting, but now you have these people who would not step over the

tiniest hurdle in the world in order to save democracy. And your plan is to eliminate that hurdle. Just doesn't seem like a, it doesn't seem like the best strategy ever. I don't know. Any thoughts on any of this, Rob? Well, that certainly stood out to me when he said that there were a 90,000, 90 million voters, I guess, who decided not to vote against what he said. Tyranny, he can quite use that word, but that's what he's implying. It was the end of democracy and 90 million people just didn't show up. I mean,

clearly it wasn't the end of democracy because I'd have to think that 90 million people, if all they needed to do was register to vote and we could keep our democracy, they'd probably do so. So speaking to that, I mean, this guy who looks like he was drawn by Dilbert, like he's just a cartoon character. And this is clearly nonsense that, you know, it was the end of our democracy and just 90 million people weren't engaged. No, you didn't earn those people's votes. Yes. The point is we don't believe you. We don't believe that this was the end of our democracy. Yeah, that was clearly nonsense. And he didn't sell those people. And you know,

you and I have done hundreds of episodes explaining why the Democrats were not the better option in this past election. So the starting point of your analysis just being 90 million people were uninterested in keeping the democracy, it's because you're lying. With that being said, I think that there absolutely should be a requirement to show your identification in order to vote. And there should be a mechanism that ensures the fact that you're actually a US citizen. My entire, and the fact that apparently acquiring IDs is racist is something that the government should fix

because there's so many other activities that you require ID for. So if you would just think about all of the ways that our society seems to be racist because apparently people can't drive cars They can't purchase alcohol They can't check into hotels and the fact that the government doesn't want to fix that process and make it easier for people to just Partake in civil society

I mean we should be addressing the racism issue of our government that it makes it hard for minorities to acquire IDs With that said removing voter registration, but keeping the fact that you have to have your ID to prove you're a US citizen. I don't care if there's a registration process. Yeah, listen, I'll be honest. I don't particularly care either. I just find this line of argument to be so flawed and just inaccurate. I mean, look, when he says at the beginning, he goes, look at the founding of

the country, you didn't have to register to vote. It's like, okay, that is true, but you're also invoking a time when only white male landowners could vote. And so if you're framing voter registration as some type of restriction on voting rights, right? I mean, that's how we framed it. We're expanding voter rights. It's like, well, then I don't really think that this would be the example to look to. And I do think that there's something, you know, because there is something about the modern woke historian that will essentially insist that the entire, you know,

all of history can be understood as it used to be racist. That's, you know, that used to be racist, or maybe it used to be sexist. And if we want to go really far, it used to be homophobic or something like that. But that's basically all of history. But it's just what, I don't know. It's, it's an interesting, you know, uh, additional piece of information that it was also restricted to land owners. And that white free white men still could not vote if they didn't own land. And there, there was a concept behind that.

And you can agree or disagree with that. But the idea was that if we're voting over how to spend the, the treasury, you know, which was, of course, was a much smaller pot at the time. But if we were voting over like how to spend public money, you couldn't allow people with nothing to have a say in that too, cause there's no incentive there for them to not vote all the stuff for themselves. And then we're all poor together. And that you actually had to be somewhat, um,

you had to be in the owner class in society in order to make decisions. Now, again, you can disagree with that. I, I'm, there's flaws in that way of looking at things, but it, you know, there also is an argument to the fact that like, yeah, owners get to make decisions about what's done with things that people who don't own it, don't get to make. And that is to some degree important. Now his point about how these voter registration laws were put into effect after the Civil War or during periods of mass immigration, you know, I certainly would not argue, in fact, I don't

think anyone could really argue that there haven't been voter restrictions in the past that were intentionally designed to keep some people out or that were just abused in practice thinking literacy tests or things like that. Now, that being said, it does not necessarily follow from that, that you ought to have the view that there should be absolutely no standard or absolutely no minimal, you know, like test before you get to vote.

Like for example, let's just say that it wasn't abused, right? Like let's just say, yeah, it's just, just a hypothetical. And if your answer to this would be like, well, I don't support it because it can be abused in practice. That's a totally reasonable answer. I'm just saying in theory, they are hypothetical. Would a literacy test necessarily be wrong? Like should you know,

we're voting over who gets to rule the most powerful government in the history of the world here. Would it be, let's just say hypothetically there were a way to enforce it that wasn't discriminatory and wasn't unfair, but it was just like, Hey, like if you can't read a chapter, like if you can't read at third grade level, then you don't get to vote. Is that in itself in principle draconian or awful

or something like that? Cause I gotta say, I don't think it is. I actually think it's kind of crazy. The idea that illiterate people get to vote. Now again, I'm not saying I would necessarily support that restriction cause it can be abused, but I do think that like it's it's interesting when you have a situation where there is nobody to I mean, this guy, I guess,

would make that argument. But I don't think any serious person can really say that voter registration is done to target black people or to target a certain group of people or keep them out. And I do just find something interesting about the question of like, is the minimum requirement? Like, let's just say, I said, you have to put pants on and go outside. You know what I mean? And you were like, we got to get rid of this requirement. You're kind of like, wait, wait, who is it? You're trying to get to vote. Why is it? You're trying it.

You're telling me that the person who can't figure out registering to vote or doesn't care enough to figure it out and go do it, that it's that important to make sure that guy's voice counts too. I just find this to be a very strange, like again, I'm with you, Rob. I'm not saying like I'm, I'm not married to the idea of voter registration. Should you automatically be registered? Perhaps. I guess maybe my issue in it is like in the same sense of like, you know how like you might have a job interview like at,

at eight in the morning and like half the test of that interview is just like, Hey, can you show up on time at eight in the morning looking presentable? Like just the lowest form of like, prove to me that you're participating in society here. And just for that reason alone, I tend to go like, I'm not sure I want to make it easier to vote. I think before you vote in the popularity contest of who rules over me, maybe there should be some minimum requirement that you meet. Does that, does that make sense?

I don't know that I agree with it, but I, it certainly makes sense. I, I, I get where you're coming from. Well, it just seems like they're trying to stick up for the person who can't do any of that. They're like, man, if we could get those people, maybe we could, you know what I mean? It's the same reason like who the hell wants 16 year olds voting? Like, I don't know. This just already shows something about you. 16 years old. He's like, Oh, look, we got to set the age somewhere. It's like, okay, granted. And we all agree it's not eight because I might say 16, you say 18. I mean,

think about the fact that like you'd listen, dude, if somebody, if an adult had consensual sex with a 16 year old, we all think they should go to fucking jail for a long, long time. And why is that? Because like a 16 year old can't really consent to an adult. It doesn't matter if they said it or you're, you're just so psychologically and mentally more powerful than them that you were just totally like, it's, it's,

it's just taking advantage of like prey in order for you to like extract some form of consent out of them. So who the hell are these people who it's like, that's where you want to go for your voting base. Like you got to look at the people who are fucking 16 and then the people who couldn't figure out how to register for a vote. And that's who you want to be. You know what I mean? To be your reinforcements. Like I just, I find it disturbing. All right, guys, let's take a moment and thank our sponsor for today's show, which is hex clad guys. If you're trying to cook healthier or save money or just stop

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and then make up some bullshit of I have I know that these are the people that would be better represented by the Democratic party. And so we just have to figure out how to reach out to them. But to just say, hey, we have to make it easier for these people who are unengaged to show up. That's not that's not firstly, it doesn't seem like a winning strategy. I don't think the voter registration is what's getting in the way of these people voting. So you're just talking nonsense here. But now you're also just thinking like, how do I just get bodies here? Like, how do we not change any policy? How do we not change what we're doing? How do I just figure out how to win this game

and get more bodies showing up? Cause we can't vote the corpses anymore. We lost that one. We did it once and it worked for us. So what's our new scheme? We can't get immigrants over the border. Cause we're not in control anymore. We were trying that one. So what do we have left? I don't know. We can make it easier for the other 90 million people to show up and offer them some free stuff. And maybe, yeah, I mean, that's right. That's what it seems like to me. And there's, like I said before, there's such an admission that you feel like you can't win with the electorate as it is. And, and look like, I don't know. I just, the Democrats, you're like, if you look around, you'd be

like, Hey, look, I mean, obviously you lost pretty bad in this election, but you know, Donald Trump's approval rating, I, from what I've seen has been hovering between 47 and 53%. That's not like, Oh my God, it's insurmountable. We could, you know what I mean? Like there's a good chunk of the country who's opposed to Donald Trump, maybe not a majority, but very close to half of the electorate is opposed to him. And like you ran the most God awful candidate ever. So you would sit there and be like, okay, all we got to do is like figure out a good candidate, figure out a good message, actually stand for something,

actually do something for the American people. Instead this like going to, well, let's see if we can't win over the people who are totally not engaged. Just see. And then of course, the other major flaw in this strategy is that like, look, this is, okay. So I don't know if I've ever told you this story before, but I always love this. Um, now this is something I've never done in my life in standup comedy.

I don't think it's something you've ever done, but it is an old thing that you've probably heard of been done before. But I remember this one time I was watching this comic, uh, and he was bombing having a real rough one And it's just the crowd hated him. Nothing's going over his now. Now he's getting heckled and he hasn't gotten any laughs the whole set. And then at one point he goes, uh, he got, so one of the guys was heckling him and he goes, Oh yeah, dude, you think this is so easy. You want to try to do my job?

And he offers him the microphone to come on stage and, and come do it. Now I don't know if you've ever heard of this old, you know what I'm gonna try to do my job and he offers him the microphone to come on stage and, and come do it. Now, I don't know if you've ever heard of this, or you know what I'm saying? You ever heard that? But I remember thinking to myself, I was a young comic at the time too, but I was like, oh man, this guy's instincts are so bad that he doesn't even get what that old game is. Like, okay, I've never done this and I would never do, I would never give up the microphone at a standup comedy show.

I feel like that's yours. You're the comedian. You get the microphone. You don't give that up. But the way that old dealing with a heckler thing works is that you're killing with the crowd. The crowd loves you. One guy starts heckling and you go, Oh, you think this is so easy. Come up here, do that. This guy's totally unprepared to be a comedian. He gets on stage with a microphone.

The whole crowd is rooting for this guy to lose. And so the cars are totally stacked against him. You're going to win this thing because you came as a professional comedian with jokes and he has nothing. You don't do that move when you're dying. When the crowd doesn't like, because God forbid this guy grabs the microphone and says one funny thing that gets some laughs. And now not only did you Bob your ass off at this set, but then this guy came and got

left and it's the worst moment in the history of the world. So anyway, the comic goes given Mike, the manager of the club came in and broke it up, said, you can this guy came and got left. And it's the worst moment in the history of the world. So anyway, the cover goes, give him like the manager of the club came in and broke it up, said, you can't have the microphone and brought the next comedian on stage. It was a whole nightmare situation. Anyway, the point I'm making is this move has a prerequisite to it. Okay. Well, we're going to abolish voting registration. Well, that would have to be done with federal legislation, which you do not control. You have to get power back first. So this is all, like the prerequisite to all of this is that you have to win back power first, meaning you can't telegraph this strategy. You can't sit there and go, Hey, listen, voting electorate. I know you've rejected us,

but if you elect us again, we are going to dilute down your votes with bodies who we think we can manipulate more easily. This is, this was a good strategy for when Joe Biden was in and the Democrats had Congress be like do this now hush hush we say quietly That had a boardroom meeting somewhere and then we won't have to worry about this next time It does not work as the underdog strategy to announce this as your plan to regain power as the underdog strategy to announce this as your plan to regain power. This is if you get what I'm saying there. So I just find this funny that this is the music like on end, um,

MSNBC as the ratings are collapsing, they're going, I know what we're going to do. Use all this power we have in the federal government to overhaul voting. Um, anyway, as no matter how much you can try to spin this and try to play this as like, you know, we're, we're, it's all these disenfranchised people or something that we're trying to give a voice. The bottom line is that when you've taken a shellacking and you're on a network

whose ratings are collapsing, when you come out here and go, we need to be able to get a whole different electorate. I don't see how that doesn't come off as, as weak and desperate. That'd kind of be my final thought. Any, any final thoughts on this one, Rob? I hope he returns to the Dilbert cartoon in which he came. I'm in, we can only pray. We can only pray. All right. Let's, uh, there, there was another, I'm actually maybe a little bit embarrassed, uh, to admit this,

but I wanted to go to this next clip because this was from a Bill Mars show, the kind of more or less on the same theme. Um, and a little embarrassment that I did not actually know this. Um, so Bill Mar open talking about, um, kind of like the future of gerrymandering and results of the great migration ships within the United States of America over the last few years. Anyway, let's go to this clip because I did find this really fascinating. Here is Bill Maher from this Friday. But just to continue on this for a minute, because I just saw this really bad news for Democrats.

2030 reapportionment, there's a group called the American Redistricting Project, and in five years we will be redistricting. California is projected to lose three seats, New York two, also going to lose a seat, Minnesota, Oregon, Rhode Island, Illinois, all blue states. Who's getting these? Texas, Florida, Idaho, and Utah. I mean, this looks like game over. And the reason why people are voting with their feet is a lot of what your book is about. Yeah.

Taxes and regulation. I've certainly been screaming about it forever. I did three years with a sign here that said, how long is it gonna take me to get my solar hooked up? Three years. Talking about it on television, in this state, you couldn't do it. This state has almost 400,000 regulations. I just put in a new roof, because the fire,

I thought, oh, let's get a roof that's not gonna burn up. Two inspections. Why are you inspecting my roof? It's my fucking roof. If it falls on me, that's my problem. And we're taxed more than any other state. People are leaving these kind of states for places where they're not, they

feel the heavy breath of government on them. It's just, it's not that hard for Democrats to understand this, but they seem to be incapable of doing anything about it. I thought that was a really powerful rant from Bill Maher. And it's very interesting. I did not, I didn't realize how soon it was coming and how many seats were going to be going from blue States to red States, but he's not wrong. I mean, that's a really big deal.

I think he rattled off 10 or 11 seats and in a closely divided Congress. I mean, that's a really big deal to take 10 or 11 seats and give them to the other side, which theoretically is where that's going. And it was interesting to me to, to see kind of like a group of three liberals who are all at that table, having to kind of grapple with this, this fact that taxes and regulations like big government

is unpopular. And of course it is. It wouldn't be government. If it wasn't, you know what I mean? Like it would be done voluntarily And of course it is. It wouldn't be government if it wasn't, you know what I mean? Like it would be done voluntarily if it were popular. And the, no, I think that probably there's a bit more to it than that. I don't think it's as simple as taxes and regulation, but undeniably that is a huge component to this. And it is, you know, when you have, and again, I don't want to do the thing that a lot of Democrats are doing

right now where they're going like, they're acting like Donald Trump and Elon Musk were me and you. Like we took over, you know, Crystal Ball said anarcho-capitalism is the driving ideology behind all these guys. And you know, their, their mission is to destroy government or something like that. But when you kind of broadly, at least in the American people's minds have the idea that, okay, the Republican party is like, if I had a loose sketch of this, they're talking about how there's fraud and abuse and government, how there's a swamp, how there's a deep state, and we have to kind

of like roll that back. And then you have the Democrats over here who are like the party of government, the party of we need rules and regulations and all of these things. It's very challenging to be the party of government when all of your major cities where you guys are the government are a disaster are all like the poster boy for inept corrupt government. That is a, that is a tricky position to be in. And that's really, I think what's going on in a lot of these big cities. What are your thoughts, Rob? I didn't realize bill Maher was such a libertarian.

Hey, this is my roof. Why do I need the government coming in here and tell me how I should operate my own roof? I, it is, it is, I, I, I, I guess I should dig in a little bit more on just, uh, how much, uh, migration there's been from these large states. I'm sure that the problem for the Democrats is going to be amplified if there actually is a mass movement of illegal migrants out of the country. And I'd love to see actual figures on that of exactly how many people came over and what that means for congressional seats, particularly as a lot of them did make their way to New York,

because there were good social services for a period of time, including hotel stays. And then even Republican governors were just busting them right up in there, which was actually a good strategy for educating the public at large, but it might have been a bad strategy for congressional seats. But anyways, it is I think one of the it happened in New York State, they got a massive federal bailout during COVID. And I thought that that was bad because we need to showcase bad liberal policies in order for people to actually realize that they're failed policies and to make the correction of people leaving these areas,

because it's corrective. And I think, you know, it kind of showcases the bad policy failing when it actually fails. And I guess that this is a pretty good storyline that Republicans are going to pick up this many congressional seats. I didn't realize that it was that it was that big. What's that? What was like 12 seats? He just mentioned it's pretty bad. Yeah, something like that. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I think that the, you know, there's basically been, I think since really since 2020, late 2020, early 2021, the, the Exodus out of California and New York has really just not stopped. I mean, I think it's had higher and lower moments, but Hollywood's over. Like I, I listen, I can't prove this to you, but it just seems that there's actually

a lot more independent filming going on now. And it seems like more and more Hollywood projects are taking place in other areas. And I wonder how much star power really wants to hang out in that state versus going to new areas and just, you know, with more favorable taxes and the works. Like why is everyone hanging on to California? Yeah. Well, I mean, I don't know if you've seen, I mean, these are the things that I don't like, the stories that don't typically interest me that much. But I don't know if you've seen everybody's making a big deal out of this Snow White movie, I guess just totally flopped. And I feel, I feel on beef though. I didn't, I didn't totally follow

the story, but there was fun beef between a gal Godot and the other lady because they were both mace making like opposing political views of her being pro Palestinian and gal Godot being the gorgeous Israeli. And so they got some, they got some bad press up front over that. And I just thought that princess drama, pouring off screen of dissenting political views in the Disney environment. I dug in zero other than seeing the headline, but I just thought that drama was hilarious. All I saw was, and I kind of feel bad because the girl seems so young. I mean,

I don't know how old she is, but she's at her oldest in her early twenties. Um, but the girl who's like the star of it was, you know, she, she had several interviews where she was like, you know, just kind of like shitting on the old version and being like, you know, the original was made in 1937 and like, you can totally tell. And we're not going to be doing that whole thing where we're waiting for a Prince and we're doing that, you know, she's 23. Okay. So I thank you. But so I, you know,

I I'm really hesitant to ever like try to trash anyone that age because like, I don't know what, what she's doing is just the typical thing that we all did as adolescents. It's one of the unfortunate qualities, but it's also probably like a necessary quality. Like when you're young, you have this tendency to be like, I've sized up the whole world and you know, what? It's all bullshit. The grownups are all wrong. And that's, you know, there's, there's some positive in that as well as some negative. Um, as you get older,

you're supposed to kind of gain a little bit more respect for your elders and be like, ah, actually maybe they did have a point. Maybe they learned a few lessons that I had to learn myself. Um, but there is something about it that's very unappealing. You know, if it's very unappealing to listen to a teenager talk about how their parents are assholes and you're kind of like, all right, yeah, but you know, they're both, they're working their ass off to give you everything you have. So, you know, but so I'm not like, but there is something, um,

about watching it's not her, like whatever, she's a, she's a young girl and she's probably very talented and is part, probably part of the reason why she's here. What's crazy is that all the adults around her, you know, meaning Hollywood put this front and center and then expected this to like sell well. And evidently there took a huge flop on like the money they put in verse, how many people want to see this thing. I just think

there's something about this, the point that we've gotten to where they almost seem incapable of readjusting and going like, okay, we gotta like, we got to drastically cut overhead and really put out a product that our consumer base wants to say They're just incapable of doing it And so I agree with you I mean like I really I don't know what the future of Hollywood is but there seems no reason to me why there should be Any future why the hell do you need these big studios anymore?

The people you got little I mean, I know this from from, you know my work I'm sure you do too Rob, but there are these little, you know, there are little production companies that you could pay like 20, 30 grand that can make like fucking magic happen. And some of these, I mean, if you had like a few hundred grand to pay them, they could make a bad ass cool looking movie for you. You know? It's like, why is it exactly that you need these big studios at that point? Um, anyway, to bill Mars thing, you know,

if you really want to look at it and I think there's probably someone could dig into the data and really find numbers to support this. But the fact is that where, when people really started, um, fleeing out of the big cities in this, uh, country, and like me and you are kind of two examples of this, Rob, but it was during COVID and it was the fact that the blue cities, look, everybody locked down. No, all due respect to Christie Noem, who was the governor of South Dakota. She did not, but you know, it's still South Dakota.

But for the rest of the country, everybody did the lockdowns, but like the blue states just hung on so much longer and were so much stricter. And then it was way past the point way, way, way past the point where everyone had already come to terms with what level of risk they were comfortable with, with the virus. And then, so they just kept these cities shut down, kept this is a big part of the reason why Austin had such a huge, you know, surge, um, because, you know, people wanted to find a city where you could still go to a restaurant where you

could still be normal, where you didn't have to wear a mask everywhere, all this stuff. Um, and then also as a result of those prolonged lockdowns, the homelessness, the drugs, the crime, I mean, all of these things just got materially worse in all of the blue cities. And it is one of those things where it's, it's pretty easy for somebody who is, let's just say even slightly leans conspiratorial for them to just go, Oh,

George Soros is intentionally trying to destroy the United States of America. Why else would you do this? Well, you know, I mean, like if your plan was to have prolonged lockdowns And at the same time period say, um, we're gonna stop prosecuting property crime We're also at the same time gonna say homeless people are allowed to build encampments on public sidewalks wherever they want to I mean like what? Who could be shocked that people were like, Oh, I think I might move them. Like what did you think the result of all of this was going to be that people

would just, you know what I mean? Except it is no people are moving. And then the, the really sick thing, right? This was so bizarre and I guess seemingly ironic on first glance, but I think not actually ironic once you dive into it. But like, you know, when you see, um, let's say when you see people leaving, let's say Los Angeles and New York city by the hundreds of thousands every year, hundreds of thousands pouring out of the cities. And by the way, I should be clear. This was happening before COVID. It just,

it picked up after the lockdowns. But when you see that, well, if you dig a little bit deeper and look into who's moving, it's almost all middle-class upper middle-class upper-class people. That's who's leaving. Now you could sit there and say, Oh, that's because of the taxes. Part of that's true. But the other major part of that is that, you know, working class and poor people just can't afford to move.

They just don't have that luxury. I mean, if you're, if you're a working class guy and you've got a job, you can't really just pick up and move. Also there's, there's big expenses to interstate moving. Um, you may not have that option. And so the whole bottom 50% of all of these major cities are essentially just stuck. Many of them would move if they could, they just don't have that option. And it's a pretty terrible thing to do to, to people is to kind of make them, you know, like,

I don't know exactly what the number is, how many people would leave these cities if they had the opportunity to, but don't. But there's a lot, there's a lot of people who are essentially just trapped in these cities as they become objectively much worse places to live. And that is, you know, that is a real albatross around the Democrats neck that I don't know exactly how they're going to get rid of. Like how are they going to deal with the fact that it's like, yeah, you literally had full control of these areas and made them such nightmares that even the people they are wanting to leave.

Cause all things being equal, people tend to want to stay where they are. All things being equal. You're like want to stay where they are. All things being equal. You're like, I live here. I don't know. It's a pain in the ass to leave. And that thing's got to be pretty bad before they make people leave in mass like that. So rough, rough time for the Dems. All right, guys, let's take a moment and thank our sponsor for today's show, which is sheath underwear. I've been telling you about them for years and years. Now the best pair of boxer briefs you will ever own the most comfortable underwear I have ever put on my body and the only underwear

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variable that you're no longer necessarily restricted to having to live in major cities in order to work your careers, which is also a result of a democratic or nationwide policy that was a little bit more sold by the Democrats through the COVID regime? Yes, that is a, that's a good point. A very good point. That is that that probably did have a huge impact on it too. Once you're not, once you're working from home, you have a lot more options of what

you can do. And a lot of people who have jobs, you know, jobs are a big thing that draws people into cities. And once you could have that job from somewhere else, it's, you could probably have a lot more, you know, a much bigger home for the same price or whatever. And a lot of people probably chose that. Um, all right. Fair, fair point there, Rob. All right. Let's, let's move over, um, to this appearance by Tom, uh, Haman. Am I saying his name right?

Is it Haman? I think so. I think Homan, but Homan, Homan. The borders are, he really does. His personality really is much more of the borders are than any name that you could come up with. That seems like that should have been what his parents named him. Anyway, he was on officer hard ass.

Yeah, that's literally be his name from birth. First name officer, last name, hard ass. Well, look, he's a, he's a character for sure. And in some ways you can understand why he's an appealing character to be the borders are. Um, I've always been a little bit of two minds about the guy. Um, you know, like I do, I do think that it's like the immigration policy under Joe Biden was beyond nuts. I think it was suicidal and horrible. And I think you need kind of someone like this, maybe almost to clean up that mess. It also does like my libertarian Spidey senses go off where I go. This is everything about the beginning of a dystopian movie where this guy's in charge and is like, we're just going to clean up

the problem. Okay. So there's, there's been a lot being made about the way that the Trump administration is going about some of these deportations and Haman was on this week on ABC to discuss. Go ahead. If I can give a very short synopsis. So essentially, a number of supposed Venezuelan gang members were flown to a jail in El Salvador, which is seemingly probably one of the worst jails on the planet. Now, both sides of the story stink in that I don't think district judges should be able to basically overrule the president.

And that becomes an issue because, for example, when Joe Biden was saying you're not allowed to evict tenants and then a court overruled him, I thought that that was illegal of Joe Biden. And so there needs to be some sort of a mechanism to check the president. I think you almost need a secondary federal Supreme Court that has multiple judges on it versus single courts and a single democratic judge. I believe this might have been a different case. But I think

this guy was the guy who gave a soft sentencing to Ray Epps. So that's a little bit shady. And so I think single judges from Democratic districts that were appointed by Democratic presidents checking the current president, that doesn't make a lot of sense. Now there needs to be a mechanism for policing the president if he is engaging in illegal behavior. I think we need a different system than district judges. So I think it's a problem that a district judge is giving him a hard time about it.

But what they did here of just taking people that they're saying are Venezuelan criminals or gang members, not even necessarily that they committed a crime other than being in a gang, and then just depositing them in a jail seemingly for life. If you want to just ship them back to Venezuela and then Venezuela processes them directly into jail, that's on Venezuela. That's not on us. But for us to just take people and never perform a court case and just putting them directly into a jail that's not even their country of origin. I made a joke on run your mouth that if you're in a gang, you should get a tattoo that just says not a gang member because I was just saying these are for sure. I'm sure that there are some people that ended up in there just because of their tattoos. And there's one lawyer

claiming that a guy was a fan of soccer and just got the wrong tattoo. We'll find out whether or not that is a true story or not a true story. If as a betting man, just with the way the government operates, if you take 300 people without a court case and you just throw them into a jail, how many people you think are going to be innocent? I mean, if you had to throw a number on it, it's going to be more than two. Do you want to take the over under on 25? I might even take the over under on that. I'll probably take the under on 50.

But I'm just saying that there's some people that just got sent to a jail in a country that they're not from for life directly from the United States government. And now this is the video of him defending his reason for doing this. And I don't think it's much of a defense. All right. Yeah, let's, let's play the video. That was a good setup.

I'm joined now by the Trump administration's borders are Tom Homan, Mr. Homan. Thank you very much for joining us. I want to start with something you said last week that caused a big stir. You said, I quote, I don't care what judges think. Now, I know you have since said that the administration will abide by court orders. We heard Donald Trump say the same thing.

So what do you mean when you say, I don't care what judges think? I don't care what that judges think as far as this case. We're going to continue to arrest public safety threats and national security threats. We're going to continue to deport them from the United States. I understand this case is in litigation through the Alien Enemies Act, and we'll abide by the court order as litigated. But my quote was, despite what he thinks, we're going to keep

targeting the worst of the worst of the worst. We've been doing this day one. Here's another just interesting thing to note. I've seen in the past where they'll use a law that hasn't been enforced for a long time. And then you go, hey, that's kind of corrupt. We don't usually use this law. The last time the alien enemies law was used was when we interned the Japanese during World War II. And I don't think there's a lot of people that are pointing to that and going that was a good American policy.

This is a good rule on the books. So when he goes, hey, there is a law in the books that gives us the authority to do so. From what I understand, and I think I read that in the New York Times, the last time that law was used was interning the Japanese. And I don't think people look at that now and go, hey, that was very moral and just what we did during that time. Yeah. And I must say that I really just cannot stand the kind of ridiculous, like kind of circular

argument that'll just be like, well, look, we're concerned that you're not getting the worst of the worst here. And it's like, well, we're going to keep getting the worst of the worst. That's why we're targeting them because they're the worst of the worst. Straight just deporting someone. Go ahead. If someone stuck into the country illegally and you want to deport them, I think we should go after the criminals first. But I, and I, I've also said just make them second-class citizens where they don't get benefits, they can't vote. I think everyone wins, but fine. You want to deport people back to their country of origin, go ahead and do so. You want to go after the

criminals first? Great. But you can't just take people and deposit them into a jail without any sort of a court process whatsoever. That's just not what we're talking about here. And that's not even what you're saying when you go where we're going to continue to go after criminals and deport criminals. Great. Deport criminals, but don't deposit them into a jail without a court case for life. Yeah. No, look, if somebody's here illegally, then I think you have a right to force them to leave. But yeah, when you're talking about sending them to a brutal prison in El Salvador, you're going to have to give me at least a little something like we know this is a bad person because of X.

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The Alien Enemies Act was actually a federal law. It's the statutes enacted by Congress and signed by the president. Now that's under litigation, but put that aside, we still have Title 8 authority to remove illegal aliens from the United States, and we're going to continue to concentrate on those who are the biggest threat to our communities, the public safety threats. But you're gonna abide by court orders as long as, you know, and go through your appeals process, but you are not gonna defy those orders. No.

Okay, let me ask you about the flights at issue here, the flights to El Salvador. You have said that everybody on those flights had ties to the Venezuelan gang, Tren de Agua, or to MS-13. Can you give me some background? Help me understand how these people ended up there. Are these people that were recently arrested? No, some were.

Some were. Some have been in custody for a little bit. And some on that plane were Title 8 removals, which means they were order removed by an immigration judge. And some other were removed through the Alien Enemies Act. And I think about 240 on that flight were Benza-Wayne gang members, TDA, and I think we had 21 MS-13 members in a couple of specific MS-13 cases. But as far as the events in London's flight, every single one, according to the information given to me from the field, are members of the CDA.

And CDA has been determined to be terrorist organizations. They're not classified as terrorists, so that plane removed 240 terrorists from the United States. So how do you determine, or how do your people in the field determine that somebody is a gang member? Look, there's various methods. I've noticed in the media, a lot of them don't have criminal histories.

Well, a lot of gang members don't have criminal histories. Just like a lot of terrorists in this world, they're not in any terrorist history, a lot of them don't have criminal histories. Well, a lot of gang members don't have criminal histories. Just like a lot of terrorists in this world, they're not in any terrorist database, right? We only know information within databases based on, for instance, most terrorists we arrest that are identified as U.S. government are later identified through a Title III investigation or through an undercover operation. They're not in any terrorist screening database. We know that.

A lot of gang members, I started as a cop in 1984. Many gang members don't have a criminal history. We have a count on social media. We have a count on surveillance techniques. We have a count on sworn statements from other gang members. We have a count on wiretaps and Title IIIs. Everything involved with criminal investigations come into play. So just because someone hasn't been arrested

and charged with a crime yet, doesn't mean they're a member of a gang. But how do you, I mean, what we've heard from these lawyers representing some of- Let's just pause it there. I mean, the obvious problem here is that it also doesn't mean they are a member of a gang. And there is a presumption of innocence,

even for people who are here illegally in the country, maybe not a presumption that they ought to be allowed to stay in the country, but in the same sense that we couldn't just throw them in an American prison, the idea that we could just throw them in a foreign prison does, you know, it seems, and let me just say, um, well this guy is good at being kind of like, like you said officer hard ass.

And if he's going to be like on a debate against somebody who's arguing for Joe Biden's loose immigration policy, he's probably going to say all the hardcore right things that people want to hear. There's, there's major problems with this. And it's not just, look, there's the first and foremost, it's like, yeah, but like, what if you get the wrong person here at, like you said, Rob earlier, it's almost a guarantee that at some point you will. And that is the idea of like throwing somebody who doesn't deserve it into one

of these prisons on its own is really horrible. And then I would just say, sorry, and then you can go ahead, but then just number two, why I think even like hardcore border restrictionists who support Donald Trump, you should be a little bit concerned about this because you got to think here, man, like as much as everybody always tells me, Donald Trump is playing four D chess. This is an area where you actually Trump is playing four D chess.

This is an area where you actually have to play four D chess to some degree. And look, God forbid there is one or maybe a few of these cases becomes a high profile example of where you really fucked up. Like let's say you actually got an American citizen here. You know what I mean? And like they, whatever didn't have their papers or fucking they're all tatted up or whatever. Oh my God, the nightmare that that's going to be toward the whole project of like deporting illegals and getting border security and all the things that we kind of all want to see.

You got to be really careful with this one here, man, because if you got like, I mean, the nightmare of the PR, if you like got an American citizen and had them tortured in one of these jails somewhere, that is really not going to be good. So yeah, this is, this makes me a bit uncomfortable. I think it's something that, um, Trump supporters would be wise to consider the risks associated with a policy like this. And what he's really explaining here are suspect suspected gang members.

Yes. That would be until you go in front of a judge and you go, here's all the reasons we think this person is in this gang. And it's, well, we actually bust him at the headquarters, the other people testified, then fine. Now you've got evidence that the guy's in a gang. And then the next layer to that is there, that's the problem with these terror designations is that once you label a group as being terrorists, and in this case, you know, I still think of terrorists as being they belong to Al Qaeda, they came into this country and they're trying to blow up our buildings.

I'd like to hear a little bit more clarification on why Venezuelan gang members are considered terrorists now. Now you might say that they're undermining our society through drug trade or that the Venezuelan government specifically wanted to deposit violent criminals here. But just the fact that you can throw in the terror designation and then go, well, you just belong to this group or you, the DJ there, do you, do you, do you deliver the, what does that mean? At the beginning of this, he said affiliated with the group or ties to the group. So what does that mean? You were the accountant for them like

Speaker 2.(1h 1m 5s): Or your brothers in the gang or something like that. I mean like what? Yeah, it's just very, look, it's very vague. I do. We, we got to wrap up here in a second, but I do think like this type of like, um, look, we, we've been saying this from before the election results came in. It's like, this is where things are going to get dicey and this is going to be a real test for Donald Trump. And in the same way that look, again, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll end on this, but I know I've made this point before, but you know, Martin Luther King, okay.

In the civil rights act, the entire thing was performative. And I don't mean this as a knock necessarily. It's just a fact of history, but like they chose Birmingham, Alabama. They decided to go there because they knew what the reaction was going to be and they knew they were going to get it on television. And there were millions of white Americans, including many who harbored prejudice of their own. Like many people who still believed in segregation,

many people who did not believe in the goals of the civil rights activists. But when they looked on TV and saw, you know, black men in suits and ties getting chased down by like police dogs and fire hoses turned on them, they were just like, no, we can't support that. Like we, we just can't support this level of violence against people. Now it's much easier when you see people add it up, you know, from head to toe, you don't even want to know like in the same way that Martin Luther King would have his guys wear suits and ties. There's a reason for that. And there's a reason why when you see a guy with face tattoos, you go out and he's a criminal of some sort, fucking throw him in jail, whatever, you know? But look, in 2017, the, even though it was all bullshit and the facilities were built by Obama and half of the pictures were taken under Obama, the kids in cages thing really did radicalize and mobilize a lot of Trump's

detractors. And it's just something that number one whenever you're using violence and even when it's state violence You always want to be careful about it because you don't want to fucking you know Use it on people who don't deserve it because that's a bad in and of itself But it would also you know it's like you got to really pay attention to like how this is going to be perceived and how this could end up backfiring. And the truth is that as as furious as Americans were under about Joe Biden's immigration policies, there is there is a level of violence that the American people will not tolerate.

And you want to be really careful about flirting with that. All right, I do have to wrap up there. Go ahead. Sorry. It's worth playing without commentary, but the next part is he does get questioned directly on what was the due process and as essentially says there was no due process, but the Americans that have been victims of gang members, what due process did they have? Which, uh,

Oh, and he says, he says, what did Larkin Rose, what, what due process did she have? And you're like, wait, what? That's not what due process is. Like that's Oh, and he says, he says, what did Larkin Rose, what, what due process did she have? And you're like, wait, what? That's not what due process is. Like that's not, and by the way, I believe her killers were convicted of murder. They did have due process and they did. It's like, yes, no murder victims don't get due process. It's the reason why we oppose murder.

Just so we're all on the same page, right? It's just from Muslims in jail after nine 11 and go, well, what the victims of nine 11, what do you process that they have? Well, the answer is we got to make sure that these are the people that actually perpetrated the crime. Otherwise, yeah, look, I mean, whether for free people being in jail or innocent people being whether you're for the death penalty or not, right? There's good reasons on both sides of that issue.

Forget where you stand on that. We all recognize there's a difference between that and the state just killing somebody, right? Like there's a difference between those two things. And we insist that there is due process that you get a conviction of this person before you do that. That's why it's a crime. If you don't do that, you know what I'm saying? Like if again, so like if Larkin Rose, am I saying that name right? That's why it's a crime if you don't do that. You know what I'm saying? Like if again, so like if Larkin Rose, am I saying that name right? That's her name, right? Lake, Lake, whatever. So I don't mean to be disrespectful. I'm just

bad with names, but like had that person, had she been convicted of murder in the first degree and then killed, it would be a different story than when she's just some innocent girl and gets killed. That's the whole point. So anyway, like, yes, to your point, it's just a non answer. He essentially just had no answer for that. And essentially the answer is that they don't get due process. That is an issue. All right. Got to wrap up there. Catch you guys next time. See you in Boston this weekend, comicdavismith.com for those tickets. Catch that. Peace.