Part Of The Problem - Jillian Michaels

Episode Date: February 27, 2025

Dave Smith brings you the latest in politics! On this episode of Part Of The Problem, Dave is joined by Jillian Michaels! They discuss Jillian's change of perspective during the pandemic, the health crisis in America, its connection to pharmaceutical companies and genetic engineering of crops, and more.Support Our Sponsors:My Patriot Supply - https://www.preparewithsmith.com/Native Path - https://NativeHydrate.com/PartOfTheProblemSheath - https://sheathunderwear.com use promo code PROBLEM20Part Of The Problem is available for early pre-release at https://partoftheproblem.com as well as an exclusive episode on Thursday!Subscribe to Part of the Problem Clips: https://www.youtube.com/@partoftheproblemclipsGet your tickets to Porch Tour here:https://porchtour.comFind Run Your Mouth here:YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/@runyourmouthiTunes - https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/run-your-mouth-podcast/id1211469807Spotify - https://open.spotify.com/show/4ka50RAKTxFTxbtyPP8AHmFollow the show on social media:X:http://x.com/ComicDaveSmithhttp://x.com/RobbieTheFireInstagram:http://instagram.com/theproblemdavesmithhttp://instagram.com/robbiethefire#libertarianSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Hey, what's up everybody? Welcome to a brand new episode of Part of the Problem. I'm very excited for this one. Thrilled to be joined by Jillian Michaels, who is, there's a lot of titles you have, so I'm not quite sure what I should give for an introduction. She's a fitness guru known for her television shows and her many books several new york times bestsellers Um has kind of been in the health world for a long time and has recently become I think pretty outspoken with support of bobby kennedy and criticisms of covid insanity and

I think a very interesting part of this kind of massive political realignment, this crazy moment that we're all living through. And so I really was very excited to talk to you. So thank you so much, Jillian, for taking some time out for us. Thank you for having me. I literally tried to find Adderall to keep up with you today. I don't take it. I was like, does anybody I know take it? How am I going to be on Dave's show? I mean, I have been watching you for years now and learning from you and I'm really excited to be on it.

I'm gonna do my best today. Oh, well, thank you so much. That's very kind of you. And well, I appreciate that. And as you know, I've told you this personally before, but my wife is like a huge, huge fan of you. She was so excited when we were on Pierce Morgan together. And then I ended up getting triggered by Joe Walsh, I think, and just yelling at him the whole time. But you like said something nice about me and she's like, Do you have any idea what this means?

Jillian Michaels likes your show. And I was like, Yeah, no, I know. It's cool. But anyway, thank you very much. It's very kind of you to say. Oh my gosh, I think it goes without saying, but I'm glad that me liking your show matters. I now see Joe Rogan deferring to your positions, but I'm glad that that she can get excited about me being a fan. That's great. Well, this is the right for the for my my brother, Joe Rogan doing it is really cool for my wife. She's like, yeah, whatever, but tell me more about Jillian Michaels. This is incredible. Um,

it must, so I wanted to ask you cause I'm, I'm very curious about this. And I, I thought one of the, um, one of, I mean, there, there were many, but one of the really fascinating things to me during COVID times, it started pretty early in the lockdowns, was it was just this very bizarre thing where we have like, what is a health emergency. And then immediately the first response is like, shut down the gyms and keep open the liquor stores.

And then there were a lot of people in kind of the health world who understandably sort of objected to that. They were like, yeah, this, and I'm kidding. Was this kind of like part of your story too? Or what, what were your like politics before the COVID era? How did they change through that? I'm curious. I was exceptionally liberal pre COVID. I was exceptionally liberal pre-COVID. And I am guilty of understanding why you might close a gym.

At the time when the hospitals were overrun, and I had caught it from a friend and I was perfectly fine, but it was obviously very transmissible. And at that time we were worrying about our parents and we didn't know who was vulnerable and you were hearing all kinds of craziness. So when I first heard all of this stuff, like it came from a wet market and we need to close the gyms

and if we can just control this for two weeks, we're gonna get a hold of it. Just two weeks guys, just stay strong. And then it's week after week and all of a sudden the stories don't add up and that science doesn't make sense. And you're seeing all of these incongruencies and policy. And one from California that was my absolute favorite

is what I call the COVID layer. So when you were allowed to go to a restaurant, you had to wear your mask. And when you would walk from the hostess stand to the table, you could catch COVID. So you must wear your mask. But once you sit down, and you begin eating and talking with other people in a room filled with other people, you see you were below the COVID layer. And at that point, I was like, this is bananas.

You started to see absolute madness and inconsistencies and hypocrisy and silencing doctors that were exceptionally credible. And I started to feel like Neo in the Matrix, like I think many of us did. Yeah, no, I mean, I remember I used to joke around about this. So when I first started doing that, because at first they just, the comedy clubs were closed. But then once I was allowed to get back out and do standup,

they'd have like, you know, capacity restrictions sometimes, but they did the same thing at comedy clubs, where you had to wear your mask as you walked through it. But then once you sat down, you could drink and eat and laugh. This is what everyone was doing there is there to laugh. And this was the most bizarre thing of it to me. So like, I'd be on stage looking at a crowd so that my perspective is like, I'm watching everyone.

And sometimes you would see someone like get up to go to the bathroom and not put their mask, like forget, you know, like they, they get up and, and other people would start looking at them like, Whoa, like, Hey, you're up there. You're up there where there's COVID, you know? And it's like, it was something about just like the ability of people to, to follow rules that made no sense at all. It was some like real time Milgram experiment thing,

like just an expert said this. So we're all going to pretend this makes sense. Even though it's so obvious, like the guy was just sitting next to you and I could see you getting nervous as he stood up. It's just totally bizarre. I could not agree with you more. And unfortunately, there were so many examples just like that. And it just began to grow my concern exponentially. And if you, as you begin to look a little bit deeper,

it's like, God forbid you pull on one thread. When the whole facade starts to fall away, it gets pretty frigging nefarious, Dave. Yeah, yeah, no, it really does. And I'd imagine, you know, there was a, one of the, you know, there were so, um, one of the, uh, uh, you know, there were so many different little dramas and within COVID, but one of the things that I read this, I was thinking about this earlier today in anticipation of you coming on,

but I know there was this one, there's this, uh, this Dr. Uh, Hotez, who, um, right. So he, this is the guy who like refused to debate Bobby Kennedy on Joe Rogan's podcast and Joe brought him up recently the other day and he was just kind of making the you know The case about how the guys like overweight and eats junk food and doesn't exercise But his life's work is making sure everybody takes vaccines and it was all about Demonizing all of the people who were skeptical about the the COVID vaccine, if that's even what you can call it. Um, and I did, let's call it a shot. I, I, I, I mean, it's not,

it's not a vaccine in the sense of what everybody always meant by the term vaccine, but I guess, you know, updated definitions, very conveniently updated definitions, but I did think there was something, and this isn't like, okay, there, like like I'm not saying it's a law of logic Or something like that like you could you could smoke two packs a day and say cigarettes are bad for you And you're right, even though you're you know kind of being a hypocrite. You're the argument you're making isn't necessarily wrong Right, but there is something kind of fascinating and in a way that this is part of to me what Bobby Kennedy represents There is something fascinating about like really kind of fascinating and in a way this is part of to me what bobby kennedy represents um,

There is something fascinating about like really unhealthy people Lecturing everybody else about their health and then you look at somebody like bobby kennedy who is However, whatever you think of the guy clearly personally very committed to health like I don't know He's like in his 60s and doing like 15 pull ups and then hitting like the band. It's just like, okay, that's to me kind of impressive and something we ought to like. That's a good example for, for people. And there's just something where it's almost like there's this weird dynamic where it seemed to me like the, um, the, uh, so Candace Owens said this once, I really hit home with me. Um, she said something, she goes, you know, after October 7th, a lot of people demanded that we pay attention to what's going on in Israel. And then a lot of us started paying attention to it. And they, people got upset that we didn't have, and it almost seems like there was this demand to have a national conversation about health.

And then a lot of people were like, okay, let's have that conversation about health. And now it seems like, oh, you guys don't like where the conversation is going. But as somebody who's been in, like this has been your world, this is your life's work, it's gotta be kind of an interesting position to listen to like these people who clearly do not take health seriously,

pretend that they're the champions of it now. I don't think that that is the argument they're actually making. Vaccines, now listen, this is my personal position, so we can get this out of the way from go. Two things can be true at once, right? Vaccines can save lives and they can also cause tremendous injury. Now it's more rare, but we don't really understand what causes vaccine injury and asking the right questions mitigating how many vaccines a human being gets from birth to 18 years

old these are conversations we need to be having now the covid shot vaccine I was just talking to doctor Heather hangbret Weinstein's wife, and she's like, it's gene therapy. This is not a vaccine. So that's out of the mouth of a PhD. This is big business. I don't think these people are advocating for health. It's big business.

I think that is what their agenda actually is. And when the conversation did start to become about health, you saw the pushback. And I don't believe in my entire life I have ever seen an individual quite so demonized as Bobby Kennedy. I mean, he eats dogs. Do you remember that one? That was in, I think that was actually in Newsweek. So help me God. Or Vanity Fair. He eats dogs. He is a predator. He is deranged. He's got worms in his brain. I mean, the attacks were relentless and vicious as soon as it became about, I don't know, childhood obesity, infertility, autism.

Man, it was a whole different animal at that time. Yeah, and it's really, I'll say, I've never seen a presidential campaign, and I've talked to both Bobby and Nicole Shanahan about this several times, but I've never really seen anything quite like his presidential campaign, which obviously like, okay, he didn't end up winning the presidency, but he ended up kind of leveraging the millions of people who supported him into

getting the health department in this very interesting, you know, Maha Maga coalition. Um, but where he essentially took an issue that no one in politics was really talking about. And he said, I'm going to make this the centerpiece of my campaign. And it has now become one of if not the most dominant, like political issues of our time. This is, if it wasn't for Bobby Kennedy, nobody else is talking about the health crisis in this country, at least in a political level.

I'm not saying there's not like any sociologists. Right? Yeah. Like there's a nutritionist out there who's talking about it. But I mean like somebody running for president who's talking about the fact that like we lead the world in chronic illness. Like how does that not come up all the time? It just seems so wild. The most on health care, by the way. Yes. Yes. And it's all because of this. Like how does that not come up all the time? It just seems so wild On health care, by the way Yes. Yes, and it's all because of this. I mean, I remember, you know, um years ago

Reading about like back when it was like the obama care debate in like 2009 2010 I remember reading about how like the cdc estimates that 70 percent of our medical costs are from preventable illnesses And you're like wow wow, that should probably be at the center of this conversation. Because like, if you have, I think essentially the point is that whether you have a completely free market privatized health insurance, or a completely socialized health insurance system,

if you have obesity rates through the roof, if you lead the world in chronic illness, it doesn't matter, it doesn't really matter who's floating the bill. The problem is the health I mean like the problem is the health of our country and it's just wild I've just never seen anything like this before where like one guy made this issue into an issue now that that has to be addressed I don't know that anyone will be able to run for president in the future without having an opinion on this stuff I really hope that's the case. I remember speaking with Kali Mean,

so I'm going to presume you're... Okay, I figured. So, Kali is one of the masterminds behind this ma-ha-maga union, and this has to be about a year ago, and we were sitting down talking on a podcast, and I was pretty feeling that the situation as it stands for Americans and health was pretty dystopian and I didn't have a ton of

autism, a ton of optimism about it. And I remember after Callie was like listen I'm working on something. It's gonna get better, it's gonna change. I was like it's never getting better and it's never going to change because special interests are too powerful and they have a grip on our politicians and they're the ones that are pulling the strings and there was no possible way unless you reform campaign finance. And here, Dave, here we are. So credit to where credit is due because you're absolutely right. This is not a new message. If you go back to a book that I wrote over 15 years ago

called Master Metabolism, I mean, I talk about red number 40. This is not new news. It was a more liberal movement for sure. If you looked at Marion Nestle and Maria Rodale and Mark Bittman and Mark Hyman and Michael Pollock, we were all reaching liberals. Nevertheless, it went nowhere. Nothing changed. And it only got worse. So how this magic moment

occurred, I think it's multifactorial. I think COVID was a part of it. I think people were completely disenfranchised with both political parties. I think you had a few brilliant people with our hearts in the right place. And a little bit of magic has happened. Now, how much he will be able to achieve remains to be seen, but I promise you that he is far better than the alternative. And if I could point out just a few things,

if we were to criticize the fact that he's not an MD or a PhD, neither is Xavier Becerra, who was head of HHS before him. And if we're going to ask questions about childhood vaccines, and that's deeply alarming to do, and demand gold standard research and what have you, and have placebo groups like this is so scary and why would we do such a thing? But like, let's say that's really, you're alarmed. Xavier Becerra and his administration,

the Biden administration moved to remove, I promise you Google it, it's true, any age restriction on gender affirming care, which is a really fancy way of saying a sterilization, taking away a child's ability to have an orgasm Interrupting their brain while it's developing in puberty I mean the atrocities quite honestly associated with medicalizing the transition of children To do that at any age and remove any and all restrictions. Where was the outrage?

About any of the crap that they did or didn't do. Not a peep. But then you have a guy that wants to facilitate real change and has been given that mandate and everyone's up in arms fighting for the pharmaceutical companies and gene therapy is vaccines. It's surprising. All right, guys, let's take a moment and thank our sponsor for today's show which is MyPatriot Supply. Real peace of mind comes from knowing your family is prepared for anything. MyPatriot Supply, America's most trusted name in emergency preparedness, is offering a limited time discount on their best-selling three-month emergency food kit. Each kit provides over 2,000

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But I will say that one of the things that was really interesting to me is that It is Unbelievable how much this message resonates with mothers, because I think mothers are like, uh, particularly today, like two, two thousand 25 moms in this generation are dealing with something that, uh, I just don't think previous generations ever had to deal with. I mean, I think that my parents generation Okay, there was a lot of

Poison in the supermarket, but none of them really knew you know what I mean like they all just kind of like they didn't have The information they were just like what's bread made out of its bread? You know like they thought it was still bread just like it was bread for their grandma It's still bread for them and like I don't really think they understood that it's like no the bread your grandmother made was bread Wonder bread is poison. You're giving your kids poison, you know? And there is something, they all talk about every time I'm like, I see that we're like the moms of the kids are together.

They're always talking about the fact that like when you go to the supermarket, you are like surrounded by big red and blue poison everywhere. And you have to navigate out like what am I and and I got to say this is something that I I don't really have like a firm political view on this I'm kind of thinking it through myself but there really is something about like on the rare occasion that I end up at the supermarket with my wife or you like sit there and you know like the the fact that they like they rent out the aisles that are at?

Kid level aisles with like the the cereal that's got like a big cartoon Character on it that is like pure garbage that we know like we know for a scientific fact This is like the worst thing to do your and like if somebody were trying to sell Drugs to kids in this way We would like I would throw this person in jail for 300 years if they ever trying to sell drugs to kids in this way, we would like, I would throw this person in jail for 300 years if they ever tried to do something like that, you know? And yet these giant corporations who have bought off our government have

completely captured all the regulatory industries. They are sitting here selling what we now scientifically know is a drug for kids. It is literally poison that's going to get them hooked on it and make their body desire more and more of it. And it does just seem to me that it's like, this is just, it's an unspeakable outrage. Like how have we allowed this to happen? I think that what happened is you're absolutely right. It began with our parents who bought into, it's affordable, it's convenient. I remember my little microwave

breakfast in plastic that had two little pancakes, two little sausages, and like, you know, God knows the chemicals and I would friggin bake that in plastics. And my mom was like, we are winning. That is two minutes. It's ready to go. It's healthy. It's a real breakfast. And we're out the door. She didn't know any better. And even still my evolution in health and wellness was about losing weight and looking skinny.

And then it became diet foods and lean cuisine was healthy. There really wasn't information up until, I quite honestly wanna say, the early 2000s, when you saw the rise of the crunchy liberals I mentioned previously. But when you look deeper at how this happened, and I'm gonna steal a page from Callie Meane's book, it's in the 80s when the big tobacco companies bought the big food companies and they

ran their playbook. But if we want to go back farther, Dave, it starts with Big Ag being captured and corrupted through the first incarnation of the farm bill. And basically, long story short, how this evolved is that we have spent over the last 20 years a half of a trillion dollars in our tax dollars going towards genetically engineered seeds that are covered in chemicals that were derived from chemical warfare like Agent Orange. So now when you've got Franken corn and Franken weed and this that the other and you have subsidized it and it's exceptionally cheap and exceptionally poisonous and nutrient empty, Big Food grabs it. They take their team of multidisciplinary scientists that study your kids behavior and yours

that have learned how to target the bliss point in your brain so you can't eat just one and absolutely brag about it, which is even more. Yeah, that's right. That was their slogan. Yeah, no, no, don't worry. You will be overweight and unhealthy because you cannot eat just one. We gotcha. And then big pharma is the third piece of this toxic triad.

And they swoop in and they medicalize everything and they pay off all of the studies. I mean, let's be honest. This system is rigged from top to bottom. And we're just starting to wake up to that, I think, in a big way. And moms is, in my opinion, are always where the grassroots movements start and take it. Thank goodness. Yeah. Well, I just think it's like, um, there's, there is something about, you know, I mean, I'm not saying it's not true for fathers too, but there is something about the connection

between mothers and their kids and how they really just kind of like, they're so invested in their kids' safety and protection and health. And so, yes, I think that it does make sense. It's also like, there's, you know, I think like, you know, when I, cause, cause I talk about this a lot of times, like I'll talk with my mother or with my, my, uh, my in-laws. And it's like, sometimes I think we lose appreciation for like my mother-in-law was telling me about how, um, how strict her parents were about her cleaning the plate. Like you did not, I mean, you could not leave the table without finishing your food.

And when you zoom out and you think about it, you're like, oh, they were only, I mean, they were first generation America. They were only one generation away from people who are legit at food insecurity, you know what I mean? And so of course, it's like this all kind of crept up on us pretty quickly, where we went just in a few generations from being like, my God, if you have a piece of food in front of you and you don't eat that thing, what an insult that is to all these people who don't have food. And you know what I mean?

Like your parent remembers being hungry as a kid themselves. So of course it was just like eat, eat, eat. And then all of a sudden in a very short period of time to transition to not just tremendous abundance of food, but tremendous abundance of very unhealthy food, where it's like, Hey, no, we actually need to pump the brakes and think about what you're eating. And all of these things are, we're all so brand new that I think, you know,

like I obviously was going to take people a little bit of time to brand new that I think you know like I it Obviously was gonna take people a little bit of time to catch up. I think it's wonderful They are catching up. I do one of the things I always find fascinating even as you kind of discuss this and and how you were Very liberal, you know for many years is that it is interesting to me that this just so inherently seems to be I Mean I guess it's a human issue that we should all care about, but there's no way you could ever convince me that this isn't something left-wingers or liberals should care about. This is more of a left-wing liberal issue than it is a right-wing issue. I mean, like you're talking about big corporations stacking the deck against ordinary people. And

by the way, there's also a huge class issue that comes into this equation where, you know, it's really, you know, like people who are doing pretty well, it's not that big of a deal for me if I got to spend more money for my kids to have the healthy food, but for people living on a very fixed income or a very, very tight, you know, living paycheck to paycheck, that's a huge issue for them that like they would have to like triple their grocery bill in order to get grass fed meat and you know, whole foods and all of this stuff. And it seems like that's just it's like an issue that's right there for the left to care

about of this is your issue guys like this is a completely unfair system rigged against the the working class and the poor. But you know why they're not saying anything about it is because they've also been captured by special interests. And it's funny that you bring up marginalized communities. The soda companies target children of color two to one. Where's all your systemic racist talk now? Where's the outrage now? Not a peep. They literally go after their heroes, their celebrities to capture their kids like pied pipers of fast food addiction and nobody's mad. They go after the poor with programs like SNAP,

or I think it's called Women and Children, programs that we have, food programs, for people who are less wealthy, not as well off, however you want to marginalize, however you want to describe it, the most politically correct way possible. Nevertheless, they are absolutely targeted. They are the ones that are being preyed upon.

They are the ones that are being marketed to and they're the ones that are having this crap forced down their throat. But should you question whether or not sodas should be removed from programs like SNAP, Food Stamps Program, that's racist because now you're denying I swear to God and again, I want to give credit where credit is due. This is a Cali means pointed this out a couple years ago now because Like the Hispanic Freedom League or the NAACP is taking such massive

donations from the fast food companies and the soda companies in particular, they run right out there and they're like, this is, this is racist for you to take away these valuable calories from children of color who are in poverty. It is diabolical when those kids are being targeted by those bastards, two to one. Yeah. So I'll say a couple things on this that just literally just come to my mind. So I remember I went to briefly,

I went to college in Oneonta, New York, which is like way upstate, halfway to Canada, upstate New York, and oh man, I hated it. It was boring and cold. There's nothing to do except drink up there. That was the only part I liked. That part, that part was cool. But the rest of it sucked. But I remember is like this, I'd always lived in New York city my entire life. Um,

and so it was like the first time I was ever like living in like a small town. And I remember just being blown away by how fat all the locals were. And then the fact that there was like, there was nothing in this town, but there was every fast food place. I mean, there was a KFC, a burger King of Wendy's, a McDonald's of like every single fast food. There was an Arby's, there was that, that's all they had. It was like bars and fast food was all they had. And every day you would just see like these incredibly overweight families eating this fast food. And even at the time, this was like 2003 or something like that,

I was like, man, this is just seems bad. And, uh, you know, not knowing that much about it, but I was like, this sure ain't good. And, and then I remember, so when I lived in, in New York city, this was like about probably around like 10 years ago, um, is before I had kids, but my, uh, my, my very good friend, uh, Louis J Gomez is also very, uh, very talented comedian. He, so I lived in the upper west side and he lived in Harlem. Uh, and so it was like, you know, like a 15, 20 minute walk. Uh, and I used to do the walk all the time.

I'd always go over and visit him and his kid up at their house. And you know, like if people know New York city, like the Upper West sides, a very white neighborhood, Harlem is historically a black neighborhood, which is changing a bit now. Um, but I remember like, as you'd make the walk, you could just see the food stores changing. Like it goes from like on the Upper West Side, everything was kind of health oriented. And then as soon as you started getting into the convenience stores in Harlem, it's all gushers and can't.

And so like while people like kind of go like, okay, restricting snap programs are racist. It's like, yeah, but what about this? Like isn't this kind of messed up? And I'm not saying like look part of that is is a cultural issue. Part of it's an education issue. You know, like there there is truth to the fact that like, I know, Dave, you are 100% right. Your your instinct is absolutely accurate. And I would imagine in upstate New York in this area that was rural and more poor. I guess they're white, right? I mean, now they do target, as I mentioned, people of color two to one. However, they go after poor people across the board.

And that's why you have these food deserts. All of this is by design. And it's a much longer conversation about how they managed to do it, but it has been going on for just about 100 years. And it started with how they gamed the agriculture, so that all of the money went to Monsanto's places, you know, the the big farming industrial complex, that whole thing. And it after world war two mechanization,

and then it's like, oh no, we've got a rule food issue. Okay. Let's give more to these genetically engineered crops. It, it, there's a whole history to it. It's exceptionally diabolical. It's dense, but it is absolutely by design and your instinct is 100% right Alright guys, let's take a moment and thank our sponsor for today's show, which is sheath underwear Longtime sponsor of the podcast you guys have heard me talking about sheath underwear for years at this point And I really do love them I mean there I can't say it enough the most comfortable pair of boxer briefs

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there does seem to be a weird thing to me where I'd watch like in this dynamic, like upper West side versus Harlem. And it's Harlem and it's almost like the kind of liberal, the weird racialism that kind of took over over the last 10 years where there was it's almost like a white guilt type thing that you don't feel like you guys don't live this way, but you don't want to tell them, hey, there's a better way to live or like try to move to that because then you feel like that would be bigoted of you to like impose something out there. But it's like, actually, it's like it's ableist, it's racist.

It's actually called being able. They have labeled people who have done that ableist and racist. Um, and in fact, gosh, I can't remember her name, but there was a doctor who said, calling junk food junk food was racist because marginalized people of color needed junk food. And I remember thinking, we have absolutely left Kansas. Like this is, the world has inverted itself. I mean, we're, and it was

during COVID. But one more thing is the healthy at any size movement. Yeah. E-rail, the shame narrative. All of this comes from big food. It's not even a question. I encourage people to Google it. There was an expose, believe it or not, in the Washington Post that exposed it. So they're paying registered dieticians and influencers in health online to be promoting those hashtags like derail the shame healthy at any size. That's all a siop. And then they tapped into this, you're right, white guilt. So that even doctors were afraid to say to their patients of color, you need to lose some weight. It's Kate.

Dr Casey means talks about it. It's you're spot on a heart. You know, I've felt for a while, like I, you know, I think there's, um, like there's, there's inherently, I think, benefits to like, um, like kind of a left wing worldview and there's benefits to a right wing worldview. And I mean kind of like abstract and, and then there's weaknesses. And I think that like, I always felt that like after nine 11 in the George W. Bush terror war days,

they kind of like, it's almost like they, they short circuited right wingers, like they tapped into what their weakness was and their weakness was just having this kind of this base of like patriotism and good versus evil and this and once you tapped into that it was like we got to go see about Saddam Hussein he did 9-11 or something like that and like if you tried back then if you tried to talk to a right winger like logically and you were like, no, no, no, listen, Saddam Hussein's bath this party hates the radical Sunni terrorists. There was no way they were working together. Like these guys are mortal enemies.

It was just like, Oh, so you're saying you're on darker, darker side and you're not on USA side and it was just shut down the conversation. And then likewise over the last decade, I feel like there's something which, which probably much like with the right wingers, it probably originates from like a good place. I'm not talking about the people rigging the system. I'm talking about regular people. Yeah.

You know, like where, where there's this, this desire from liberals to be like, we're not the bigoted ones. You know, we're not the racist. We're not the people who are mean. We're the people, we're not the religious superstitious people. We follow the science.

But then the problem is like when they, when they tap into that and they go, okay, well, if you say that this fat person is fat, you're a bigot. And if you say what the CDC says, you're following the science. It's like they, they shortwired people. They got them to turn their brains off and start going like, look, I'm not, nobody here is saying like, be a dick to fat people. I'm not saying like make fun or make some, don't be a bad person. Don't be shitty to anyone. But come on, let's get real. Like no big is not beautiful.

Big is unhealthy. And the correct move is not, you know, if you have somebody who you love, who's a heroin addict, you don't say like heroin is beautiful. And, but you know what I mean? Like you try to help them get help and get better because that's how you live. And it's just why it's been wild to see that this actually took off. Not only did it take off. I mean, it was wildly popular. So in my opinion, there are two reasons why. The first one is cancel culture and I personally in 2019 from the infamous incident where I was asked by a crappy little interviewer I don't know what I was doing on this interview on BuzzFeed I don't know what I was doing on BuzzFeed and she asked me if I

celebrated Lizzo Lizzo and Ashley Graham and I didn't know who Ashley Graham was at the time, but I knew Lizzo's Lizzo and Ashley Graham and I didn't know who Ashley Graham was at the time but I knew Lizzo because my kid liked her music and I was like she's a great artist why and she's like well you know of course the big question was like do you celebrate the fact that she's obese I was like well of course I don't celebrate the fact that she's obese because if you really like her you want her to be around for a long time right right? Wouldn't it be terrible if she got diabetes? Oh my god, Dave. It was a catastrophe. AT&T had to deal with my app, they pulled out. I had like a post scheduled for this dog food company. But that I like who was like, we're not going gonna poster like we don't want her working with our company. It

was insane. So I think when people see someone else being taken to the Gulag, right? You know, stoned in the public square, they're terrified into silence. But the other component of this that we are still seeing in spades is the moral superiority and that high, which comes from virtue signaling, I have the empathetic one. It reminds me of Rafe Fiennes with Rafe Fiennes in Schindler's List where he's like, I pardon you. Like it's truly evil actual yeah and it's purely about your own ego and making yourself

feel holier than now uh but i i think it is those those two elements of fear and narcissism yeah that have allowed us to become vulnerable to this this kind of like brain virus quite literally yeah i you know i think that's Yeah, I think that's exactly right. I think that's exactly right. And the latter part that you're talking about, they're both really important elements to it. But the part of that kind of, the kind of ego boost that you get off of

that virtue signaling stuff, it is such a poison. It's something all human beings are somewhat vulnerable to and if you want to be a decent person you have to actually fight that impulse but anytime you're just feeling Really good about yourself when you haven't actually done anything like it's great to feel really good about yourself when you've done something That's wonderful But when it comes more and then there is and I will, I've always found that it's a particularly with, with women, not 100%, but particularly with women, there will be this kind of a, like you just see, you see like young girls with like a like bikini bodies talking about how

awesome Lizzo is for being overweight. And you're like, I think I see what you're doing here. And I don't think there's anything positive about it. I think this is a weird tactic, you know? Yeah, not only is it a weird tactic, there were so many fitness people that ended up doing that. And then, you know, putting like, oh, we're gonna put like obese mannequins in fitness clothes.

oh we're going to put like obese mannequins in fitness clothes and we're going to it was absolutely exactly what you're talking about there's I there's one woman in particular who shall remain nameless but had a bit of an eating disorder but was fairly large in fitness is is less well known now but still pretty well known and appealed greatly to more millennials last Gen Z. And you've got this rail thin white girl talking about like,

let them eat cake. Like you piece of shit. Yeah. Cause it's like, Dave, like you bastard. Yeah, come on. Like you're doing. And there is something, some comedic, god, I can't remember. I should credit them, but it was such a funny joke. I can't remember whose joke it was, but someone had the joke where like, there's like girls keep saying Lizzo looks great. And he goes, okay, well, why are you so offended

when I tell you you look like Lizzo? And it's just like kind of says it all right there where it's like, look, if you're, especially like if you're working hard, because like particularly when we're talking about younger women, like sometimes people just have good genes like, look, if you're especially like if you're working hard, because like particularly when we're talking about younger women, like sometimes people just have good genes and they look great, you know, but some people were particularly the people who work really hard at

it. It's like, if you work really hard to look great, and then you feel good about yourself, because you look great, which is totally like noble and, and, and that's wonderful. But then you're turning around and like complimenting some other girl instead of encouraging her to follow your path. It's like, no, I actually think that's evil. I think that's like a really wrong thing to do.

You're totally right. It's absolutely part of the problem. And the even greater irony is all of those virtue signallers like Oprah then turned around and jabbed themselves with those Zempik at the very first opportunity. Yeah. Oh my God, the hypocrisy is staggering. Absolutely staggering. And it's it's exactly that. It's like, how can I elevate myself as a really good person? And how can I feel better than you

or make myself feel and appear better than the people who are saying the opposite? And then there are the people that are just legitimately scared, doctors that are legitimately scared to tell their patients they need to lose weight because they're worried they'll get sued. And this is real. It's called medical McCarthyism. And I hear about it from all the different doctors that I interview all the time. And it's from COVID to obesity and

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incentives. If something is going to be enormously difficult, then fewer people are going to do it because of course, who wants to go through difficulties if you don't need to. And there's also, there's a social pressure. Um, and, and this is one of the things that's very interesting about the current moment that we're in. It's like, you see that once there's not as much of a social price tag to pay for say, like supporting Donald Trump,

all of a sudden he's got the best poll numbers he's ever had because like, okay, people, when people feel, and I do think that it's something I've come to appreciate in my life because I, I am a bit of You know, I'm my personality type and I can tell yours too is like you're willing to kind of take the arrows You're willing to be outspoken and that's kind of a it's a personality trait But it is a minority position most people aren't like that and and I think we've evolved to be this way for because we're pack animals and you don't want

To get too far outside of the pack. That's where predators get you, you know? And like there's, I remember I was, um, I was at my, my sister's house once and um, there was this, uh, uh, the guy who's a friend of my sister's and he's like very, very smart guy. He's a college professor. Um, and I remember at one point we were in our living room and he kind of leans into me and he goes, he goes, you know, I actually agree with a lot of your politics. And I remember being like, why are you whispering?

We're in my sister's living room. Like, what's going to happen to you here, man? Just say it. Put your shoulders back and just say it. You know what I mean? But then also I was like, well, maybe I shouldn't be so judgmental. It's like a lot of people like just don't want to deal with a headache. And it's enormous.

There's something that kind of like the dominant, you know, progressive insanity of the last few years. Like they really figured that out. They figured out that like if you can really have a mass shaming campaign, you know, while they're saying don't shame fat people, don't slut shame, don't you know all the attacks on shaming campaign, you know, while they're saying don't shame fat people, don't slut shame, don't sh- you know, all the attacks on shaming, but they know exactly how powerful shaming is, you know? And so it's like, oh, okay. Well like, you know, again, even with like some of these topics, like I'm not saying I'm not advocating to be mean or to be

overly, but they're, you know, like with this slut shaming thing, I don't mean this for women or men. I mean, for both men and women. Like, yeah, there should be some degree. There should be some degree of shame. Like, I don't know. Like, yeah, if you're like just like, I don't know if someone came to me

and was just like man or woman, they were like, I just had sex with five people in the bathroom. I'd be like, eh, what are you doing? You know, like, what's with Jesus? Jesus Christ, like, get your life together. What's going on? And like, there is- You never blame the victim,

but there is such a thing as healthy shame. It's also when you commit a crime, when you do something unethical, when you hurt somebody, there's a healthy shame to that. Don't do that. That's the wrong thing to do. That's a shitty thing to do. My mom's a psychoanalyst,

and we actually have long talks about what healthy shame looks like and what it's intended to do. And it's to help people evolve into becoming a better person or if somebody is tending towards sociopathy and quickly sweeping them back into line. But when people are calling out facts that we can conclusively say are facts.

You know, the earth is not flat, right? It's not that being obese is unhealthy. I mean, there's a robust amount of data to back this up. When you are attacking people for calling out facts and subsequently wanting to question the existing norm and orthodoxy, man, there's some evil happening there across the board. Yeah, 100%. It's like removing a necessary component of what keeps a society functioning, you know Is that there's like anti-social behavior or destructive behavior and then there's positive and social behavior and it's like you want to encourage one

And discourage the other and anyway, it does it does seem to me and and like I will say, you know too like I'm with you when you said earlier that like you just couldn't have imagined that like Even just like what we're seeing now. And again, to your point, I'm not saying anything's been done yet. Like Bobby getting in there, Tulsa getting in there. This is just the beginning. And now we start, we start the battle. But it is, but even just to be where we are today and the way the pendulum has swung and how it's again, I don't think it's not, I don't think it's as simple as to say that it's like, oh, the left lost and the pendulum

swinging back, right? It's like a whole realignment. And I am just very encouraged by it. I'm very encouraged by that. All of that stuff where you're talking about like the fat shaming and the COVID stuff, it just seems like in terms of the popular support, it almost feels like it went from an 80-20 issue to an 80-20 issue the other direction. Like just nobody's buying into it anymore. That I find very encouraging.

I totally agree with you. And it feels like the Wizard of Oz when the Wicked Witch actually melts. It's like the sun comes out and everybody... Now I do think it's, you know, page one of the book that has yet to be written. I think it's going to be trench warfare and you're seeing it across the board. It's like everybody resists just resist to resist. Oh my god, the sky is falling and and and you've got all the propaganda whipping up the people on the left and it's like everybody's hitlerian and the world's gonna end and whatever and they're it's so crazy though, because

what they're fighting for. I don't even think they realize like when you watched Bobby Kennedy's hearings, and he's sitting there saying we need to ask why are vaccine injuries happening? We need to ask why are vaccine injuries happening? We need to ask why has autism gone from one in 10,000 to one in 36 and everyone is demonizing this guy and they're loving their politicians who take millions from big pharma. We've got a long way to go and I am exceptionally optimistic, but I wouldn't get complacent. That's all I'm saying is it's going to be an uphill battle.

And I do know not to talk out of turn, but to get Kennedy confirmed, concessions did have to be made. And I don't know how public any of that is or not, but it obviously goes without question that it's like you will bend a knee to a certain extent. We even saw some of that with Tulsi and the whole FISA situation. It's like to get there, you will have to make some, you'll have to give some stuff up along the way.

So it's way better than where we were, but I know it's going to be an uphill battle. And I think what I'm trying to do is encourage people to stay vigilant and to be patient. Yeah, yeah, well, I think that's perfectly, perfectly said. And it's unfortunate, you know, I was talking about this during both Bobby and Tulsi's confirmation hearings,

where I was just kind of like, listen, guys, I know everyone wants them to just dunk on these senators. And I know, but everybody wants Bobby when he asked them a question to go like, listen guys, I know everyone wants them to just dunk on these senators. And I know, but everybody wants Bobby when he asked him a question to go like, please, you're the most corrupt human being in the world. What's right? I go, but he needs their votes. So this process actually, he like, if I was in Bobby's ear right now, I'd be just kind of like, well, say what you got to say to get in there. You know what I mean? That's just, let's get, let's get confirmed. I mean, as it is, you know,

they got confirmed by razor thin margins. And so it was like, there just wasn't. And again, the, there's a whole different battle to actually like the, the mechanism of government and entrenched interests and peeling those interests away. But a prerequisite to even getting to this point was having this giant cultural awakening and and now you know you see where it's like a Necessary component to this is that Bobby and Tulsi and and Trump for that matter

They got to know if they're going to war with the swamp that like the masses of the American people have their back And so like that's got to be known And then also I would agree with your point about like complacence but also patience. Like also understanding that like this thing was built up over many, many decades and it's not gonna be solved in a day or a year or in four years. But look, we have the potential

to actually see some positive change right now which feels very new from my perspective. You're totally right. That's why when I was sitting with Callie, I had lost all hope, just because it's so entrenched and these special interests are so powerful. And the reality is, you talk about it with military industrial complex,

and you understand all of this regime change. And I listened to you talk, I'm like, Whoa, I learned so much from you. And it's as corrupt and as deep as that in my line of work. And if you even want to take it a step further, if we could put on our 10 hats for a second and go down the rabbit hole, when you look at who owns the big ag companies, the controlling share, and then who owns the big food companies, controlling share, same for pharma, same for big insurance companies, it's all the same companies. It's BlackRock, it's Vanguard, it's State Street. And it's like, in other words, my point is that the reach is so great. And the incentive is so powerful that it's not going to be easy. It's definitely a David and Goliath story. So we will take each and

every little win. And this is why you're to take the, I hate to say this, but it is like, stay woke, like stay aware, stay vigilant. Don't, don't allow yourself to be placated because they give up one out of 10,000 chemicals that have made it through a loophole in the FDA. Everyone's like, look at this red 40 winner. Like, yay. I'm thinking, are you kidding? That is a snowflake on the tip of an iceberg. And we don't have any idea how big that fucker is under the ocean. It's bad. It's as deep and scary as it can possibly get.

It is absolutely by design. It is not conspiracy theory or hyperbole. And so again, I don't wanna be a downer. I wanna be, this is wonderful and we're all waking up and we're all forcing change, but we need to stay in that head space. That's all I'm saying is to stay very present and aware and not allow ourselves to be placated, be vigilant

and be supportive like you're talking about in every way you possibly can. Yeah, listen, I could not agree more. Well, Jillian, I knew I was going to really enjoy this and I really did. Um, I'd love to do it again and we could, you know, talk about how this, uh, how this all unfolds and I'm sure there'll be lots more news, uh, coming out that we'll enjoy talking about. Tell people if people are interested in, in learning more about you or following your stuff, where, where can they find you?

Let's go to JillianMichaels.com. All the different branches of what I do lives there. Okay, awesome. Jillian, thank you so much. I really, really appreciate it. I really appreciate it. And hopefully I can turn the table on you soon. Absolutely. Anytime. Let me know. Tell your wife I said hello and goodbye. And thank you. I will. I will make sure to do that. Okay, thanks everybody for listening. Catch you tomorrow with a make sure to do that. Okay thanks everybody for listening. Catch you tomorrow with a brand new episode. Peace.