Part Of The Problem - Joy Reid is Fired

Episode Date: February 26, 2025

Dave Smith brings you the latest in politics! On this episode of Part Of The Problem, Dave is joined by co-host Robbie "The Fire" Bernstein to discuss Joy Reid's show being cancelled from MSNBC, Dan Crenshaw threatening Tucker Carlson on a hot mic, and more.Support Our Sponsors:Proton VPN - Get ProtonVPN using Dave's exclusive offer! - proton.me/davesmithMonetary Metals - https://www.monetary-metals.com/potp/Part Of The Problem is available for early pre-release at https://partoftheproblem.com as well as an exclusive episode on Thursday!Get your tickets to Porch Tour here:https://porchtour.comFind Run Your Mouth here:YouTube - http://youtube.com/@RunYourMouthiTunes - https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/run-your-mouth-podcast/id1211469807Spotify - https://open.spotify.com/show/4ka50RAKTxFTxbtyPP8AHmFollow the show on social media:X:http://x.com/ComicDaveSmithhttp://x.com/RobbieTheFireInstagram:http://instagram.com/theproblemdavesmithhttp://instagram.com/robbiethefire#libertarianSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Very good, very good. I cannot complain. I mean, I always you sir? I'm doing well. How are you mr. Smith? Very good very good I cannot complain. I mean I always can but I'm not going to I register a complaint go ahead You know my apartment's not clean my studio is not clean, and I don't own this desk And it's not my desk, but I'm still annoyed by all the shit on it Well I mean Listen this is a I think of the studio as a shared space Well, I mean, listen, this is a, I think of the studio as a shared space. I'll bring it up with HR. That's right.

I think none of it is my responsibility. And if I'm being honest, I'm a little annoyed with you two that this place is such a mess. Why is it? Why are there waters everywhere? This is good. Yeah, I know. I really am. It's unbelievable because it's so, I was always a slob and I really do. My wife makes fun of me for this, but I really do have this feeling like I used was always a slob. And I really do, my wife makes fun of me for this,

but I really do have this feeling, like I used to be a slob and I'm not a slob anymore. And then I realized that I just married my wife. Right, and she walks behind you with the, and gets it all cleaned. This is the only room of this gigantic house that I'm responsible for and it's a goddamn mess. And then I go, every other room is really nice. It's not atrocious. It's just a pile of books.

It's all good, but they're nice books. They're great. You got Scott Horton's book. I do have right here. I have of course provoked. This is the early edition copy. It's the fan mail. The fan mail doesn't need to be here. This by the way is a fantastic book. Rise and Kill First. Mail doesn't need to be here. This by the way is a fantastic book Rise and Kill first Ronan Bergman Unbelievable really dark but really really good. This is the book that I was reading first. I had heard I Had heard you know, the book recommended to me several times and then Darrell Cooper was like dude You gotta read Rise and Kill for I don't know Maybe I mentioned it that it was like on my list of things to read and he was like dude

You gotta read it's so good. And you know, Darrell Cooper tells you read a book you read a book But anyway, so I take I took it with me I always I bring books on the road usually that's when I get my reading Done, so I took it with me to Austin and I'm reading this but the book is about the history of targeted assassinations by the Mossad And I'm reading it the day Donald Trump got shot Which was really just like that'll start make that'll have you connecting dots that maybe you shouldn't be connecting You know what I mean? But it was just such a funny thing to be reading and then like look on Twitter and be like, oh yeah All right

Okay. Anyway, okay a few points of order of Business before we get into the show for today. Okay number one This is so there's been a little bit of a change to our schedule We we are still coming to Buffalo. The Saturday shows got got canceled. It was a booking error on the club. So March 6th and 7th, we will be in Buffalo, New York at Helium Comedy Club. March 8th.

We're now doing some shows in St. Catherine's, which is just on the other side. They let you there? You sure? I well, we're going to find out. All right. We're going to push our luck. We're the good kind

Hating kind. Well, how about that? Will you make it? Will you make an exception for a couple self-hating Jews? We will find out Canada I have not been to Canada since the just for laughs festival in 2017 as the last time I was up there and I think I we had planned, I was planning to go up there during 2020. And then, you know, 2020 happened. And Canada was not the place you wanted to be. But so I've not been up there. And I do know, despite, you know, what a communist nightmare that country is, we do have some great fans up there in Canada. So looking forward to that. And out of support for the Prime Minister, I'll be performing in Blackface.

Out of support, Rob's gonna do all the shows in Blackface going forward. Your legacy is not forgotten Trudeau, don't worry. And then of course, later in the month, we got Boston coming up. I'm very excited to go back to Boston and Laugh Boston's a great club and Boston's just like one of the best comedy towns in the world.

So very excited to go back there. The other thing, which I do not believe I have mentioned this on the podcast yet, although I did tweet about it. But I am maybe I mentioned I can't remember. I talk too much. I am returning to the so we I should say are returning to the Soho Forum, the wonderful debate series run by the brilliant Gene Epstein. And Rob's gonna do a comedy set. And then I am doing an Oxford style debate. I will be debating Alex. I do not mean this is a slight on him, but I always get his last name wrong

Uh nor wash nor nor no no watchtay or something. It's it's uh, it's not listen I'll take 50 of the blame I always say things wrong, but 50 of this is also and he's got a difficult name to say But anyway, we're doing a debate about immigration. like the libertarian perspective on immigration. Me and Alex have had some not so pleasant back and forths on Twitter over the years. And we've both been kind of critical of the of the other one. But this is a debate that was long in the making. And it's always sad when somebody dies, but it's nice that now Alex is allowed to talk to me.

So there's the longtime guy at the Cato Institute, David Boas, who recently passed away, rest in peace, had a firm rule about people not talking to Mises Institute people. None of them were allowed to go on Tom Woods show or anything like that. So now them were allowed to go on Tom woods show or like anything like that So now he's allowed to debate me again, and I am I'm very much looking forward to this I think it's gonna be I think it's gonna be a great night and a really important

topic particularly in today's World which is actually in the resolution. There's something it's something like particularly in modern-day America libertarians ought to support restraints on immigration or something like that. So anyway thesohoforum.org is the website. You can get tickets there. Last I heard these are moving fast. The event is going to sell out. So if you'd like, if you're in the New York City area and you'd like to come spend a night with me and Robbie the fire Bernstein Come on out. Come on out. All right, so There's a lot of stuff going on. I'm not exactly sure. You know, let's just start

Let's start with the fun stuff Okay, because there really is I Gotta say it's it's probably a little bit evil how happy this made me But joy read has been canned at MSNBC What can you say Rob MSNBC is it's amazing I Don't understand how anybody's I don't understand how they haven't closed up shop. I was looking just earlier at the numbers the the ratings were So bad, I mean

She was joy read in the key demo Was doing like you want to just take a guess 200,000 people right because that'd be really bad. Yeah, right 40,000 How right because that'd be really bad. Yeah, right 40,000 How's that possible? 40,000 in the key demo. That's a small podcast I mean, it's literally like it's insane how much the show was failing and then and by the way then like the you know If they get a hundred thousand in the demo, that's like, oh, that's their number one shit

That's like what Matt I would us like she gets them like, uh-huh That's why they had to bring her back. They have no one there. And then you just think about it. Like, you know, I remember it, it was an interesting thing. Like once, once podcasts first came out and became a thing, I remember just thinking about it. Really the comparison that I would make with Sirius radio because Sirius radio had like, you know, some, some comedy shows there.

But then as podcasts started getting big, you would just kind of look at it like on a just the business model of it you're like, okay, so We the three of us we're kind of doing a radio show right now, right? Like what really is the meaningful difference? It's on the internet versus being on a thing that you have to have like in your car or whatever I don't know. Okay. Ours is out of the garage of my house. That's our business model. I have a three car garage. I turned one of the car garages into a little studio. It cost a few bucks to make this room and get the equipment and build the walls,

but nothing that crazy. Your business model is we're launching satellites into outer space. I don't know what that runs you, but my guess is it's not cheap. And so the same with MSNBC, even you look, it's like these gigantic building in midtown. I think they're at the 30 Rock building. It's just like the expenses that go into all of this and then for the numbers to be this low anyway How is it even shocking to anyone like what is MSNBC is like Who's it for? It's like four leftists who love corporate America How big did you think that audience was you know know, and Joy Reed, I mean, for people who don't know, the woman is, I mean, she's got to be the dumbest woman in cable news.

She's just like utterly retarded, knows nothing about anything, is a vicious racist. I mean, like, just point blank, she's an insane racist. She sees everything through the prism of of race That's always been her thing And yeah, it just turned out that after a while no one wants to fucking watch that shit Anyway, here she is. This is the fun part Let's uh, let's check in with as Tucker used to call her the crazy race lady over at MSNBC Here she is. My show had value and that

I'm sorry. That, um, that what I was doing had value, had value. And in the end, I'm sorry, I'm not, I try not to cry on TV and I take this, it of like me on TV So I apologize and that and that it kind of and then it mattered I see Karen Is there and she's been texting me as well. And so what I will just say is that in the end Thank you Where I land is that The moment that I of guilt that I felt that I went hard on so many issues, whether it was

the Black Lives Matter issues of a young baby or a mom or a dad that was killed or when we opened up people's eyes to the fact that Asian Americans were being targeted and not just black folks that, or immigrants who've done nothing to come to this country like my parents did and try to make a life and defended them or whether we've talked about what the president is doing that is subversive

to the Constitution that is injurious to our liberty, you know, defending books that people find inconvenient, you know, that Nicole Hannah Jones put into our spirit that we need to understand 1619 as the real founding of this country, whether it's talking about any of these issues and yes, whether it's talking about Gaza, and the fact that we as the American people have a right to object to have a right to object to little babies being bombed. And where I come down on that is I'm not sorry.

I am not sorry that I stood up for those, those things because those things are of God. And, and, you know, I'm a church girl too. In a way you're kind of God, you know? All right. Let's, essentially that's it but there there is something And you know, I remember saying this for years Rob, but there is something about You know the the looked I mean, there's really no other the blatant racism that kind of like swept Culture and universities and stuff like this over the over the last decade, probably goes back further

than that. But I remember I always would say that I would be pretty goddamn livid if my kids were ever going to a school and they were being taught that whiteness is evil or something like that. evil or something like that. Like that would definitely, I would not want, I would not send my kid to a school that like believed in an ideology that was bigoted toward them, but I would be ready to kill someone if I had like a black kid or if the, the ideology was that white people are victims and you are so wonderful and you're, because I just think that's the most,

I think that's actually worse like it's worse what they're doing to black kids in colleges than what they're doing to white kids in college because it is like the most poisonous thing. And you see people like Hartley just has it in her. Like it's racial superiority is what you're teaching. And also with like a victim guilt complex that almost always accompanies racial superiority, by the way um

And you just see all she can talk about is how great she was That's why she got canceled because she was so great. Like can you I just don't Could I really can't imagine a scenario? who are like let's just say um, you know, whatever the the views that our podcast gets let's say they just evaporated and After a while, I just went it went down to like no one's watching the show anymore to the point that it's not Economically sustainable like you just can't do it anymore. I could never imagine Not at least having some element of like fuck what did I do to lose my audience? Not at least having some element of like fuck. What did I do to lose my audience? You know like man, I guess I could it's you know, even if I didn't think I was wrong about the issue

I I immediately my mind would go to like I guess I'm not saying this in the right way, you know I guess I didn't like There's something something I did wrong not an inch of that She's crying talking about how great she is and how she's of God and she's did everything right. That's her takeaway. The dumbest person on cable news. That's what she thinks of herself.

Well, lucky for her, unless she has a non-compete clause, she can take her show to the open market. She can put it out on YouTube and she could see how much the market actually values her programming. Maybe she'll make more money because she doesn't have to pay out a cut to MSNBC and she doesn't need that fancy studio and quite that roster of producers behind her. It can't be that much less viewers. Yeah. I mean, I don't know, like, in a way when you say it, it's got to be a higher profit margin

for her to just go do a podcast at this point. But again, like, you know, you know, these people just don't prove your value. You got all the you got an open contract now or someone else might just come scoop you up if MSNBC is not seeing it. But I think we all know, I think the I think the gravy train of full scale socialism has come to a halt. And as the Biden administration was ushered out and people had placed their bets on continuation of socialism and that the internet was gonna be censored and that there would continue to be state-run propaganda and that they'd figure out how the pharmaceutical companies

or whatever else were gonna keep buying out these ad contracts that were going nowhere so that you could pay for your propaganda. It seems like that's over. And I guess even networks like MSNBC are going, uh, they're like, let's get this point. They've, they bet on the wrong administration and, uh, the profits aren't coming. So they got to figure something out.

There is something you make a great point and it does just, it feels like a Ponzi scheme falling apart. Yeah. You know, like it just has that feel, you know the whole You know so Bernie Madoff Who ran the biggest who ran the excuse me ran the second biggest Ponzi scheme of all time next to the US government? There might be maybe the European Union or something is competing, but he ran a pretty the biggest private Ponzi scheme I believe of all time and his you know, they like straight up just forged the documents. They didn't invest They would send people like packets of all their investments. It was just

Complete bullshit, right? So it's just constantly getting new New investors to fund I guess investors isn't the right term But getting new people's money and yeah new suckers to pay out, you know The the old suckers and he was paying like outrageous interest rates Like I think he was paying 20% at one point don't from what I recall it was just that steady 10 to 12 percent Oh was it? I thought it was all the storyline was just that for so many years He was so consistent and deemed to be so safe. I believe but you might be right, but I thought it was more than that But regardless, so he's paying them out and if everyone's getting paid out like even 10 to 12 percent you get in a healthy bag Everyone's kind of happy with that, you know

And it was until the economy went south and when the economy went south he all I think it was only like it's not like Everyone asked for their money back But enough big investors did that he didn't have nearly enough and it's like what's interesting about ponzi schemes house of cards in general Is that they could take a very long time to build? But man, they will fall over very quickly and I think that's kind of what we're seeing with In a lot of different fields. All right guys Let's take a moment and thank our sponsor for today's show, which is Small Batch Cigar. Cigar lovers out there, you gotta check out Small Batch Cigar if you haven't already. It is the best place online to go to get the cigars you're looking for.

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Who I was basically saying, you know The best thing about Donald Trump if he wins again is that is that it's going to completely destroy the corporate media. And they were arguing with me somewhat reasonably. They were just like, well, no, actually, their ratings all went up the last time he was in. And my prediction on this, which I think has really come true, is just that, yeah, but they're not going to be able to do that again, because it was all based off Russiagate. And that completely fell apart. And then the COVID thing got so blown up that like,

I just think people were underestimating how much so many people have woken up to like, Oh, this is bullshit. They're liars. They lie to us. Um, anyway, it's always nice just to see people get a little bit of comeuppance. You know what I mean? Like something, cause there's just all these people are so goddamn awful and it seems like nothing bad ever happens to them. So it's just nice. people are so goddamn awful and it seems like nothing bad ever happens to him so it's just nice it's nice to see her cry I don't know maybe that's kind of evil this I gotta say I enjoyed this too let's play the the Rachel Maddow clip so here was Rachel Maddow by the way and

I can't remember which one of her books it was but Anne Coulter wrote this this has got to be over 10 years ago but she wrote about this dynamic and it was if and I used to watch MSNBC and it was a real thing if you watched it you know what I'm talking about but Rachel Maddow would always like go out of her way to be like extremely complimentary of Joy Reed like every time Joy Reed was on her show, she would introduce her as like the brilliant godsend, Joy Reid.

And it was always obviously this like weird liberal white guilt thing. And like, and then she'd be like, also Chris Hayes. Like, you know, like, who's, look, I don't like Chris Hayes, but he's way smarter than Joy Reid. You know what I mean? So anyway, here's Rachel Maddow responding to the news of Joy Reid being fired.

And even bigger programming change is at 7pm Eastern, where Joy Reid's show, The Readout, ended tonight. And Joy is not taking a different job in the network, she is leaving the network altogether. And that is very, very, very hard to take. I am 51 years old. I have been gainfully employed since I was 12. And I have had so many different kinds of jobs, you wouldn't believe me if I told you. But in all of the jobs I have had, in all of the years I have been alive, there is no colleague for whom I have had more affection and more respect than Joy Reid. I love everything about her. I have learned so much from her. I have so much more to learn from her. I do not

want to lose her as a colleague here at MSNBC and personally I think it is a bad mistake to let her walk out the door. It is not my call, and I understand that, but that's what I think. I will tell you, it is also unnerving to see that on a network where we've got two, count them two, non-white hosts in primetime, both of our non-white hosts in primetime are losing their shows, as is Katie Fang on the weekend. And that feels worse than bad, no matter who replaces them that feels indefensible and I

do not defend it. Isn't it what by the way, she certainly did learn a thing or two from joy read make everything a race issue and accuse everyone of being a bigot but it is wild to me that I mean again as I said, her numbers weren't bad, they were atrocious. And for you to say like, it's unnerving and this feels worse than bad. That like, what, so you somehow in these woke people's mind,

you just get to call your boss a bigot, completely unfounded when there's obvious cause to cancel the show. That's what happens in shows. If nobody wants to watch it, the show gets canceled. This has been true from the beginning of shows. That's how it works. And yet she's good. And like, as if you can't just in your own mind think of the obvious retort, which is that like, I don't know in what world view, even in like a left wingers worldview, do you think if Joy Anne Reid's show was getting 10 million viewers a night, MSNBC would would be like, damn it.

This black is succeeding, you know, I just, you know, is that how big corporations are? Not unless they're showing January six footage. Yeah, right. Exactly. Well, you know, is that how big corporations are not unless they're showing January 6 footage Exactly. Well, you know, you got a point there what you'd have to do to get those ratings might actually press them off But it's like it's just such an obvious thing where it's like there these decisions aren't being made Who cares who the non white hosts are? but it's like what are the you're in a business and Nobody sees value and it's pretty funny

By the way joy and reed being like my show has value and like yes it does and the market has decided The value is zero that is the value of your show It went to zero if you're like you said rob if your show has so much value Take it to the internet find out how much value it has and the news shows do well I mean glenn beck did great after leaving Fox News, Megyn Kelly's doing fine. Tucker Carlson is doing fine. On top of the world. Yeah. So you are welcome to put your show up on the internet and get all that value for yourself without having to share it with MSNBC.

And as for that lady, Maddow, you know, you could leave in solidarity. If you honestly believe that you're working for racists. Yeah solidarity if you honestly believe that... Yeah, I mean you're working for racists. Yeah, if you honestly think you're working for racists or it's inappropriate to have a network that doesn't have a showing amongst minorities, so I guess as the white person you can make a difference and say, I will stand with the minorities until they have a better showing on this network because otherwise what we're doing is wrong. Because I guess it's not even it's because we're clearly being racist and overlooking the talent pool that's out there that should be contributing. Yeah I mean.

So I mean how dare her be a part of such a racist institution. It is you know it is it's kind of a similar type argument that we've made about Bernie Sanders before not giving away his third Home or his million dollars or something like that. It's like it's the same, you know, you've seen like people uh, Who go like to college campuses conservatives would make that point a lot like they'd be like, okay It's a white students be like, why don't you give up your spot here for like a minority? Do you believe in this? Why like I just it I do think it's a

very fair point and there is and and a very Exposing one that it's like yeah, you're saying you work for a bunch of racists. So like Stop Stop working for them. Stop catch. Oh these check the checks are pretty good though, right? So you're still gonna take all that money, but don't let it be said that I didn't call them racist before I took all their money I just I all that money, but don't let it be said that I didn't call them racist before I took all their money. I just I don't know. I guess it's hard to even like come up with the words because it's just so it's so obvious in a way. But it's like it's Rachel Maddow in that clip couldn't have given you better evidence for why no one wants to watch MSNBC anymore. It's like, this is so incredibly stupid.

It's like, this is your deep analysis on everything. It's not just Joy Reid being fired, it's everything. Just comes down to like your one dumb talking point about race or sex or that sexual orientation or whatever. It's like this is just it's it's um it requires you to turn your brain off to think this way and then you also have to like pretend we're living in a world that we're not living in. Listen it's so it's like I said before but uh the example like you know you have this whole freak out over covid meanwhile the real health crisis, you know, you have this whole freak out over COVID. Meanwhile, the real health crisis is obesity. You know, you have this entire freak out over doge.

Meanwhile, the real crisis is the government, you know, debt spiral. And likewise, the fact that you could sit here and and say that it's racist that joy Anne Reed was fired. This country, Joy Reed went to Harvard and was then an anchor of a news show for like 15 years. And she's fucking retarded. Okay? Like the story here is not that this country has been so horribly racist to her the story is that it's insane that we bend over backward to pretend that someone like her has anything impressive to say and you know it's just a it's you know it's like this weird thing this victim like race

ideology it's like you got these people at the top who grift off of it and make millions of dollars but the ideology that they're selling is so poisonous and It is like it's like basically those are your only options it's like you can grift off this somehow or you can let it ruin your life and You think about like the generation of kids who came out of universities over the last ten years And how much this stuff was pumped down their throats? It's just like oh, it's a horrible thing to do a horrible thing to do especially to like young impressionable people Thank God not too many people are watching this garbage because Jesus is it awful just terrible

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Yeah, I guess so but it is it is truly madness truly madness All right, you wanna let's see what should we what should we do next Rob? Well, you want to talk about Dan Crenshaw? I want to talk about We could do Ukraine Or Mike Baker on Joe Rogan, what do you think? Let's do Crenshaw Ukraine. I feel like the two go hand-in-hand. All right, so Dan Crenshaw Don't know if you guys saw this or here you can let's play the video. You can hear it from him. Although I think the audio is not great.

I like the leprechaun outfit though. It's not his worst look. Have you ever met. All right. So if you couldn't quite make that out, Dan Crenshaw in this Hot Mike thing here, he says if he ever meets Tucker Carlson, he will fucking kill him. He says he's the worst person. And at one point in there he says

I'm not kidding which is what a lot of people were jumping on. I think you had a take on this that you expressed before the show Rob I think you're correct on this so if you go ahead give give your thoughts. Yeah it's very leftist to go words are violence that sounds like dude bravado to me and does not actually sound like a threat. Yes, I completely agree. I think it's like the people who are first of all, I got to say, honestly, my opinion on this is that I don't I don't like leaked hot mics unless it's like with the exception of government officials talking about government policy, that that would be my exception to that. Like the John Kerry hot mic or the Netanyahu secret recording,

stuff like that I'm fine with. If it's the prime minister of Israel talking about how he tricks the Americans into supporting his wars, then okay, sure, leak that. But when it's just stuff like this, I just don't like it. I feel the same way about like text messages You know there was like a there was some Angela McCardell the former chair of the Libertarian Party. I remember they had some Someone like had leaked some of her like a group chat or something like that and

it was like messages that came out right around the time when I I pulled out and It was like messages that came out right around the time when I I pulled out and wasn't running and she was saying some like You know not the nicest stuff about me and people were like sending it to me like oh look what she said I'm like to stop sending this to me like she didn't say that to me and she's saying it privately and then someone's going around and you're also like look people are allowed to vent they're allowed to have a moment like that You know what? I mean? Like it's just, and people, I think, you know, sometimes like, I think about it, like the example I would give is like, if somebody, let's say somebody like hacked

into your text messages, and let's say you're like, let's say you're in a long-term relationship or a marriage or something like that, and they found the text messages from the worst fight you guys had, you know? And then we were like, look, look who he is behind closed doors. And you'd be like, ah, it's not really a rep, you know, that this was a thing in the moment. You kind of said it. It may, this is to me, something like that.

And I don't like judging people off of that. I'd rather judge Dan Crenshaw off his terrible track record So there's plenty more to say about that and look Where that's really where the the meat of this is is what is his beef with Tucker Carlson? Really? Oh Tucker Carlson doesn't want to fight forever wars. That's really his issue And I've probably been, you know, he's been highly critical of Crenshaw,

but Tucker Carlson's response was just amazing. And Tucker Carlson responded, now this is the correct anti-woke way to deal with these things, okay? You don't go like, oh my God, teacher, teacher, he's threatening me. No, he's not. He wasn't threatening Tucker Carlson.

The people jumping on that, you're being silly, you're the old confirmation bias thing and you're on my team. So like I I'm not I don't disagree with you Crenshush sucks. He's the worst Tucker's awesome But this was not a real threat or a call to violence like let's not let's not be children about this Let's not be Rachel Maddow about this situation here. Okay, let's grow up That's not what it is Tucker Carlson's response was perfect. He goes. Why don't you come sit for a one-on-one interview? I'll send you my address There you go, that's the perfect that because first of all Dan Crenshaw isn't doing anything to anybody It's like you can play this. Mr. Tough guy bullshit or whatever But the truth is that

Dan Crenshaw just got invited on the biggest second biggest show in the world to go sit down and make your and if you're a Republican policymaker probably the biggest show for your target demographic This is you know, these are the big these aren't joy read numbers talking about millions and millions of people watching the show and You're invited to come on and make your case and he won't because he knows Tucker would humiliate him Like absolutely body him the same way he did, you know, what's a what's Mike Pence doing politically? Oh Nothing since Tucker fucking bodied him. So what do you want to do?

Go on the Tucker show and then go the way of Mike Pence He'll end your political career if you go on that show So literally now you're out there, you know like saying you're gonna kill the guy and you just look like the biggest pussy in the world because you're Scared to have a conversation with them. By the way, not the only person he's scared to have a conversation with, but that's another story for another day. Anyway, yeah, I don't know what I guess we could transition from that into the Ukraine

stuff because it does certainly seem like Tucker Carlson and the the more non interventionist wing, which we would both fall into does it does seem like we are kind of winning the day on this even, you know, as is always kind of the case, right, Rob, I think this is true with almost every issue. I think almost every issue over this show since me and you have been doing the show together that you would say was like a major focus of ours. We almost always get vindicated on it. I'd actually say always on the major ones. And even now I just see, you know, because I did a lot of these Ukraine debates over the last couple years. And even now I see the tone has totally changed. Like even when I'm arguing with other people on the other side, everybody's kind, nobody's

saying that we have to fund them forever. Ukraine will win. Ukrainians just want to fight. We're going to take back Crimea. No one's saying any of this shit anymore. It's like the conversation has just turned in our favor. And as is the case often with these things, it's just because the reality on the ground is just, at a certain point, it's kind of undeniable. You know, this is ultimately what broke the COVID discussion. It wasn't that our arguments were just so good that we persuaded everybody.

It was really Omicron. Omicron did what none of us could do. And it was just that it tore through and infected the vaccinated and unvaccinated alike. And it was so contagious and so everywhere that no one could pretend that any of these measures had been successful or that it was just like the whole thing fell apart under the weight of its own bullshit. And the same thing is happening in Ukraine right now, you know as they they In order to and this is pretty unanimously agreed upon now by almost all the top military people that in order to expel Russia from Ukraine

Even Europe couldn't do it Like it it would take the 82nd Airborne like that's what we'd have to do We'd have to go World War two style into Ukraine to fucking kick them and America could do that like we probably are the only ones who could do it, but Nobody actually believes like nobody thinks we're at There is just no way that there is Support at all in America to go to war with the biggest nuclear superpower in the history of the world to risk our own kids lives to make sure that Luhansk doesn't

fall under the control of Moscow because Luhansk must be ruled by Kiev. Nobody's on board with that. And so there Dan Crenshaw has and the other Warhawks have just kind of lost this argument. And much like Covid, the people that were telling us that this was winnable and they just needed our support, they should be held accountable because a lot of people lost their lives for absolutely no reason. And now, as we find out that some of the territories on the border, I guess, were rich mining areas, the whole thing seems even dumber to have risked.

Yeah, yeah. No, that's that's exactly right. The thing I'm most curious to see is what exactly is the nature of this precious metals agreement that Donald Trump is pushing for? Because if we're ending the war, and Ukraine is going to have to give up territory for the war being over, and part of ending the war is that Ukraine going to have to give up territory for the war being over. And part of ending the war is that Ukraine's giving up territory and they will not be joining NATO.

It seems overly punitive for us to demand that as a part of the war, we also get mineral rights. What I'm confused on is, I guess, maybe if all of the resources that were given to them was only supposed to be a loan, and they just had a bad bet on Biden that it wasn't gonna be recalled, and now you got a new administration, and that perhaps that is a warning to future regimes

of siding with America or trying to go with bad policymakers. It's interesting, because it seems overly punitive and not fair, but is it not fair in that it's good because it's a warning not to work with the United States of America? Or does it become a problem kind of like the Gaddafi nuclear thing where he actually did work with us and now we'll never get someone else to disarm again because then we threw him under the bus. So in terms of just the fear of America looking weak, I don't know, and these are not really my concerns, but I'm just saying for everyone that said,

hey, we have to defend the red line in Ukraine because if Putin thinks he can expand, then China's gonna go to Taiwan and we look weak and that's bad for the world order, so we have to defend borders. What is this new situation if now we're really the bad guy and we talked Ukraine into the war we back them We didn't let them step out of it when we sent Boris Johnson over there and now afterwards we're like and you owe us You owe us half of your country's future wealth. That's crazy. Yeah. Yeah, it's it's I said the other day on the show

I think it was the one where you weren't on but I said it's like it's gangster shit You know, it's just a pure shakedown. And of course, you know, that's you know, this is the nature of governments This is what they do. I think the thing that people like about Donald Trump is that he's at least doing gangster shit In his own mind of like what's in the interest of our country, but I agree I mean, I look it's just look Donald Trump, I was mentioning this to you before the show. But that's the thing. I don't know if it's in our interest to let everyone know we're bad partners because we'll know I know the ball. Yes, there's there's also a strong argument that we're good partners. But if you're partnering with our deep state, they're going to throw you under the bus and

lying to you. But I don't know if that's, I agree with you that it's quite possibly in our short term interest, but not in our longterm interest to just get some minerals, but then nakedly be seen as, you know, like doing this, this gangster shit. I do think that there's, you know, so I had, I mentioned this to you, I'll quickly tell the story. But, so I had like my, my high school English teacher so I had, I mentioned this to you, I'll quickly tell the story. But, so I had like my high school English teacher who I liked, he was a good guy. And he was one of my few teachers

who I liked in high school. And he recently, just the other day, tagged me on Facebook, and which I don't even use anymore, I happened to just go on it and I saw, there was like, oh shit. Mr. Shaltane um so he he wrote and it was uh It was um, uh a new york times piece an interview with brett stevens

Um who I you know, it's just like the absolute worst and he was like, oh, this is really interesting I'm curious your thoughts dave and it was brett stevens saying that you know,, Donald Trump is transforming us into a predator state and he likes the dictator rather than liking the guy defending democracy and you know, I was just it was like he's a liberal I think and Everybody got commenting on his page was a liberal and it's like I was you're almost trying to go like Like I tried to approach it the right way where I was like, okay. Look, first off, here's who Brett Stevens is. Okay. This is Neo conservative, Brett Stevens. Okay. Like the Neo conservative label ought to tell you liberals, you don't have to be on his side. You know what I mean? Like, and then I said,

I mentioned in there cause I'm always, you know, try to attack the left from the left type thing. I was like, you remember when Obama made fun of Mitt Romney for saying Russia is our biggest enemy? He was right. Mitt Romney was wrong. Why do you have to support the Cold War? You're fucking liberals.

Like this, literally Brett Stevens wrote, I'm not making this up, two years ago, on the 20 year anniversary of The war in iraq brett stevens wrote a piece for the new york times And like it was titled something like why I was right to cheerlead the war in iraq And in his piece makes no mention of the million people who got killed in the thing He just said well saddam was a bad dictator and that bad dictator ain't there anymore. So no, I don't regret being against that bad dictator. No mention of like the young men who enlisted and went and fought there.

By the way, Brett Stevens was a pretty young guy when this happened and he wasn't amongst them. Would you believe that? The young men who went over there whose lives are ruined now, you know, forget the ones just who committed suicide, but the ones who are like double amputees or just are horribly depressed and can't unsee the shit that they did over there all that no mention to any of that no mention any of the cost and that guy's gonna tell you that ending a war makes us a predator nation because donald trump is saying some nice things

about putin on the way there and like you know there was a lot i was on pierce morgan the other day and they were making a lot over this uh uh This un resolution. There's like a un resolution to condemn russia And the u.s. Vote didn't vote for it And they're all going oh my god, you don't see like i'm pierce morgan the panel already loves authoritarians or something and you're like guys why What's to be gained? He's trying to negotiate a peace with this guy what you just want him to call out to come out and call him mean Names and like I'm not even saying look obviously Donald Trump was the art of the deal and in business He's known as like this negotiator that doesn't always work out the same way in in government

And I think he he's failed at several negotiations in his first term And I don't think I don't think the way he's talking about Gaza is a good negotiating strategy. But like, come on, it would just be so stupid for Donald Trump at this point to just piss Putin off for no reason. Like what? It's pure virtue signaling just to say he's a dictator. I condemn what he did. We're trying to end a war here.

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You know as far as I can tell on this, and this is what I said to my former English teacher, that I was like, look, like, Brett Stevens making this big thing out of why he's you know, how he's talking shit to Zelensky. And he's saying, Oh, this is because Donald Trump wants to transform us from this nation that supports democracy to a nation that supports dictatorship or whatever. And it's like, no, no. Zelensky pissed him off. Zelensky, it's been pretty widely reported and has been said, I think,

by the people in the meeting. I think it was I think if I'm not if I'm remembering this correctly, I think it was a Hegseth and Rubio met with Zelensky. And then he came out in the Ukrainian press and like totally misrepresented At least they claim misrepresented what was said in the in the media and he was somewhat He was critical of Donald Trump in the Ukrainian media and Donald Trump being the pettiest human being who's ever lived It's like what he does what he always does and he starts talking shit. That's how Donald Trump is. Now, listen, it's not the best quality in Donald Trump.

One of the better qualities about Donald Trump is that he'll move on from that shit immediately if there's a deal to be made. It doesn't matter what he said to you or what you say to him. If you can do business after that, he's totally fine to do business. But if anybody... He has the fragilist of egos and if you talk shit about him, he's going to come up with a nickname for you. That's how Donald Trump works, whether you like it or not. That just is the situation. So look again, to your point, you know, when he says

Zelinsky started the war, that is kind of fucked up because it it's like really, like there's an argument. But the argument would be, you know, like, look, there's a there's a very strong argument to just say Vladimir Putin started the war, Vladimir Putin invaded the country. And there's, you know, I don't even you know, I've seen different figures about the wars, and how many people have died and the ratio of Russians to Ukrainians. But I think it's pretty much, there's a consensus that it's in the hundreds of thousands of people and probably high hundreds of thousands at this point.

And Vladimir Putin did that. You know, he decided to take it to the level of invading and in Scott's book, he has a chapter on like what the other options are that he could have done other than invade the country. And I do think that Scott's book, he has a chapter on like what the other options are that he could have done other than invade the country And I do think that Scott's right about it. Like it's not it's not justified what he did But you really could argue that the Obama administration started the war in 2014. I mean That there I don't think there's an argument that Zelensky started the war I mean, yes, you could say he didn't implement the Minsk agreements or whatever. And yes, he was the he you could

blame him for the part of the Civil War that he was responsible for. But look, like I mean, I know I've said this before, I'm sure I'll say it again. But and I said this the other day on Pierce Morgan Show two, and also they had like a general who I was not familiar with. There's a general was on the show. He totally backed me up on this, which I was I was thinking oh, I'm gonna have to debate this general guy which is always a little intimidating because you know, they're just like You know, I'm a fucking podcaster and he's a goddamn general in the military But then he totally backed me up on it and I was just like look, what do you and I just said the old thing

I go look just came this out. What would we do? What would America do if China said they were gonna bring Mexico into their military alliance? And then we were very concerned about that. And then the president of Mexico decided he wasn't going to do a deal like as China saying they're going to bring them into their military alliance. They're also floating out in economic partnership. And then the president of Mexico goes, now, you know what? I'm not going to join this partnership, this economic partnership with China. I'm going to join an economic partnership with our neighbor, the United States of America.

And then China pumped tens of millions of dollars into a protest movement against that president democratically elected and got him overthrown from power and then the new guy joined that deal With that and you're like what would we do? And if you don't think that washington dc would invade that country in a second. There is simply No way That we would ever tolerate that. And in fact, that's what got America into World War One. It wasn't even ever going to happen, but they said Mexico was going to join in with their alliance. And we went, okay, well, then total war. Then that's our response to that and what was Jack Kennedy's

Response to them putting nuclear weapons in Cuba. He said I'm treating that as a nuclear attack on the United States of America Meaning I will blow up the world Like and I'll tell you I don't know too many people even real non-interventionist libertarian types, which are the circles I swim and I don't know too many people who even real non-interventionist libertarian types, which are the circles I swim in. I don't know too many people who think Jack Kennedy was wrong to say that, to say that like, no, no, we cannot tolerate nuclear weapons in Cuba pointed at America. I mean, you know what fucking close Cuba is to us? Like we were down, we were just down in Key West right there. Yeah, we're right there.

It's just right there. People raft over from Cuba. You can't have nuclear weapons pointed at're right there. It's just right there people raft over from Cuba kind of nuclear weapons pointed at you from there it's a knife to your throat and which is the I think was a Line Putin said about the about military hardware in Poland So this is like a knife to our throat and and that's in Poland Ukraine is closer, you know, so Again, I think the Donald Trump shit talking Zelensky, I think is personal and doesn't really add much to the negotiating. But I think saying nice things about Vladimir Putin is like, that's just a smart negotiating

tactic right now. People can have a problem with it if they want to. But I don't see what, you know, it's like in DC, it's just forever wars never make you, that never turns you into a predator state, but you have to say, as soon as somebody actually looks like they're gonna end one, that's when all these people start attacking. It's the most upside down demonic thinking.

Yeah, I haven't seen, or I don't think the full details on it are available. At first, it seemed to me that perhaps we were going to continue to back the war. But we were saying we want mineral rights in return for backing. Now it sounds like no war's over and we still want the mineral rights, which either sounds punitive or perhaps Donald Trump has some different play in mine which is specifically to get Zelensky out and then maybe cut a better

deal with somebody else. But I also don't understand the security guarantee so they're not gonna be a part of NATO but the US is gonna be more invested in the country and Putin's gonna be okay with that and I don't understand how you don't end up with essentially the relationship we have with Taiwan with the semiconductors where we've stupidly rely on the semiconductors there, but we're not actually in it. We're not we don't actually have the ability to defend. Right. So why would we have the strategic asset there? So on the same note, if we're not actually going to go to war with Russia over strategic asset in Ukraine of minerals, then firstly it's not a guarantee

and then it's dumb to be relying on that or cultivating it as a strategic acid. Look, I mean, I can't say anything other than it's just gangster shit. I mean, you're right that that's how the Trump administration is trying to sell it to Ukraine. They're trying to sell like, well, hey, if we're very invested in you

because you give us your minerals, then well, then we'd have an interest in Vladimir Putin not coming in and invading But at the same time we're saying you can't join NATO. We can't give you security guarantees so in other words, it's just like give us your shit and Then we'll be incentivized to protect you PS. We're not gonna protect you Yeah, it's and look I mean mean, I also do think, and this is my view of the situation, is that I think that the people of Ukraine, you know, forget their criminal government, forget the Russian criminal government and our criminal

government for a minute, but the people of Ukraine have been real victims of all three of these criminal organizations. Like, the worst victims of this whole thing have been the people of Ukraine have lost their fucking country. It's been destroyed. You know, many of the women and children fled at the very beginning. And many of the men were not allowed to. There, you know, it's unbelievable, too, you know, it reminds me of like the stuff with all these wars.

It's always like, you know, I bring this up now almost every time I'm on Piers Morgan, because that, you know, the topics he I almost always end up talking about either Ukraine or Gaza when I'm on there. And I will I'll make a point to just bring up how, you know, all the talking points that I was arguing last year on this have all been abandoned? You know what I mean? Like all the stuff I had to argue for like,

remember Pierce eight months ago, 10 months ago, when I was doing this and this was the thing I had to argue? You know, the Gaza Health Ministry is inflating the numbers. You don't hear that too much anymore. Cause all you gotta do is look at the drone footage of Gaza and be like, no, I don't think they are. I don't think they are at all. And all like Oh Hamas uses them as human shields or something like that all of it

All of it that's when you look at a picture of southern Gaza and there's nothing and every single building has been destroyed What are you telling me? Hamas had the Israel estimated that Hamas had like I think 40,000 fighters at the beginning of the war. So like, just do the math here with me. There was a Hamas, you know, cell in every single one of these buildings. I don't think so. And so anyway, but with,

in Ukraine, it's like the talking points, they've all just been abandoned. Like no one's even arguing the stuff that they were arguing a couple years ago. I've just totally brain farted. I had a specific one in mind. Maybe it'll come back to me. But it's just, it's like the way these things always go.

It's the way they always go. And the whole time the cheerleaders are like, oh, this is how it's gonna go. They give you the the picture, you know How many times did Biden and his his surrogates tell us that Ukraine was gonna win and that they were and it was all bullshit The entire time anyway, the point I was making was that Yeah, here was the example. I got it back was that um, I just remember this was the most popular talking point at the beginning Of the war that uh Ukrainians want to fight They want to fight believe me

They they want to fight this war and I would always just because it's the most basic libertarian insight of all I'd be like Well, then why are they fighting with a conscripted army? You know, like if they want to fight so much How come there's I mean this is like very basic like if I put a gun to your head and I say like, come with me, we're going for a drive. And then I say to everybody else, no, he really wants to come for a drive with me. It's like, okay, well in that case, put the gun down and we'll figure out if he really wants to come or not. The Ukrainians, I think they was the number, I think there was over a hundred thousand people who were charged with desertion. You know, it's like, oh, they

didn't seem to want to fight, you know, and those are the ones who did it despite it being illegal. Make it illegal. Make it legal. Tomorrow we'll find out how bad Ukrainians want to fight. You know, it's real. Isn't it something isn't there something so goddamn hilarious about the the West writing a blank check to Ukraine? pouring in hundreds of billions of dollars and the country Drafting them and forcing them to fight and then you go now these people want to fight You're like do they do they really I don't know about that Anyway, all these guys they got hundreds of thousands of people killed and they have

absolutely nothing to show for it. Nothing. It's really tragic. Hopefully, there's a piece can be worked out soon and at least the killing will stop as Donald Trump said. And just to speak to the stupidity of the Biden administration, the whole idea was we need to enforce country lines because if not, we showcase American weakness and we live in a more unjust world. So I guess our inability to do so now proves that to be true. And that's on the Biden administration. Yep. No, that's right. And then always with, um, you know, references to world war two, as is always the case, you know, and then that, by the way, that's where I lost the general. Uh, he was agreeing with me about the Russia ship, but then it came to Gaza, you know,

and I was talking about how horrible it is. And he was like, well, I mean, after, you know, we killed a lot of people in world war two, it's like, that's always what they go to. Um, but, uh, it's, you know, all this stuff about how he's going to move on Poland and he's going to, he's going to reconstitute the Soviet Union. It's just all total bullshit, just completely made up. And that's the other thing, which is, uh, you know, Glenn Greenwald actually with Dan Crenshaw. I don't know if you saw that they debated on a Pierce Morgan, uh, the other day,

but you know, he, he called him out on it. We it was so great and Crenshaw just had nothing to say to it But he goes because Crenshaw does the thing that they always do Where they go he says the thing goes Russia is a third-rate country, you know a gas station with nukes or whatever they always call them and then Glenn Greenwald goes like okay. Well, I Mean, which one is it? You know, is it this puny little weak country or is he about to reconstitute the Soviet Union and take over half of Europe? Because it's I just don't know.

Look, one of the major things that did come out of this war is if you remember back, there was it was in one of the Bill Burns memos. I don't think it was the Nietmians, yet one. I think it was one of the other ones that got that got leaked but Vladimir Putin had said His famous line was I could be in Kiev in a week You know like he was and I think this was and in fact Scott's got it in the book I can't remember it off the top of my head, but there were like colonels in the military who were already talking about an insurgency?

In the first month of the war when vladimir putin first invaded so they were talking about us backing an insurgency In other words, they expected ukraine to fall and then it would it would just be an insurgency that was fighting against vladimir putin That didn't end up happening Ukraine did much better in this war than I would have predicted they would have done now, of course that is Very related to the fact that they had a blank check from the entire Western world I mean that that Vladimir Putin quite possibly would have been right Absent the hundreds of billions of dollars that poured in from the West right like if it was just a one-on-one fight Maybe he would have been in Kiev in a week

Also the fact that from 2014 to 2022 NATO was doing joint military exercises with the Ukrainian military and perhaps that got them a little bit in better shape But regardless of that, I just don't even know how anybody like how how does this talking point even work anymore? He couldn't even like he fought for years in Ukraine and was able to take some pieces of the thing, but not even control the entire country. Where do you get from that that then he's going to launch a war with Poland and take on all of NATO?

Now, I don't want to give Putin too much credit here and maybe this is just my lack of actual foreign policy information It's a little bit unclear if I it was more of a siege than it was No, look, that's a fair point too. It's it's not clear that the Russians wanted to take all of Ukraine So that's that's a fair point to make as well But regardless they still have fought and lost a lot of people and this has not been an easy war for them. The idea that they're reconstituting the Soviet Union is just, this is like a neocon wet dream of this being a real threat so we're justified to fight this war. All bullshit.

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