Part Of The Problem - Rumble vs. NYT

Episode Date: December 16, 2024

Dave Smith brings you the latest in politics! On this episode of Part Of The Problem, Dave is joined by co-host Robbie "The Fire" Bernstein to discuss the New York Times article "I Traded My News Apps for Rumble, The Right Wing YouTube," their thoughts on rumble and the media landscape in general, and more. Original air date: 12.14.24Support Our SponsorsSheath - https://sheathunderwear.com use promo code PROBLEM20YoKratom - https://yokratom.com/Part Of The Problem is available for early pre-release at https://partoftheproblem.com as well as an exclusive episode on Thursday!Rob's live Dates12.19 - Rutherford NJ - https://www.ticketweb.com/event/the-political-comedy-jam-with-williams-center-spring-tickets/1404936312.21 - San Antonio - https://www.eventbrite.com/e/backyard-comedy-party-san-antonio-texas-tickets-1102952734319?aff=oddtdtcreatorFind Run Your Mouth here:YouTube - http://youtube.com/@RunYourMouthiTunes - https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/run-your-mouth-podcast/id1211469807Spotify - https://open.spotify.com/show/4ka50RAKTxFTxbtyPP8AHmFollow the show on social media:X:http://x.com/ComicDaveSmithhttp://x.com/RobbieTheFireInstagram:http://instagram.com/theproblemdavesmithhttp://instagram.com/robbiethefire#libertarianSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Nonsense. Yeah, you're already working on your next hangover at the 9 p.m. Show. That's what that's the sweet spot Well, I have I I did warn you guys but our schedule has been a little off this place I went on a family vacation to Disney World been a little off this place. I went on a family vacation to Disney World. First time I've gone since I got, my parents took me when I was a very little kid. But it's been, I think like 38 years or something like that since I went last time. But yeah, took the kids down there. I know it's a big evil corporation that's in bed with the state to trans all the kids or whatever, but you know, they really, man, they really had a good time there. So what can I say? And they both to my knowledge came out, not trans.

I watched them. I kept a close eye on them the whole time. But anyway, so our schedule has been a little bit off. I have not been super on top of the news cycle. I do understand that there's drones attacking New Jersey evidently. So I don't know. This might be my last episode guys. I don't know if I have it beat these drones out of town. I have no answers what those are. I know CEOs are getting shot in the street.

There's stuff going on, but I did. So I came back. I got back yesterday and I was just I had like a moment on the plane home where the you know, my wife was next to one kid I'm next to the other kid and the kid fell asleep for a little bit and so and I so I got the internet on On there and I read this article that came out in the New York Times yesterday and I just As soon as I read it. I was like this is we're gonna do a podcast on this There's no way not to and and I didn't even I didn't even, I didn't send it to you, Rob, because I almost, I just,

sometimes it's fun to just get the reaction. And this is, it's not like a specific thing where it's like, Oh, like read up on this. It's like, it's our topic. It's the topic that we talk about all the time. And the topic that is such, it's hard to explain being in kind of me and Rob's position, but it's a very bizarre, there's just this crazy dynamic that there's this thing that me and you for whatever reason have really been focused on for many years at this point, which is like the state of politics and the economy and foreign policy and things like this. And then it's almost like,

because we pay attention to this and we're really interested in it in the time and place that we were in, it's like, Oh, you do a podcast together. You talk about this stuff. That's kind of the thing that people would do. And then this market of the political podcast thing, not only does this show kind of blow up, but then like this world blows up. And now the thing that we're talking about is talking about us. You know what I mean? Like maybe not specifically us, but I mean, like we've been talking about the news all of these years.

Now the news is talking about the podcast scene. The news is talking about baseball stuff. Yeah, it's, it's very bizarre. Um, but it's fascinating. And it's just like, I don't know, it's it's hard for it to not be a topic that me and you would be super interested in because now the topic is how the world that we're in is interacting with the world, you know, of politics and news and all of this stuff. It's just fascinating to see this dynamic where here we are in this world all

these years. And it is kind of like, and again, I don't mean to say it's not like it's just us. I just mean like we're a part of this thing, this new scene. Um, and we're there's shows much, much bigger than us, but we're like one of the shows in this space that has like a substantial audience. I mean, like if we were, if this is, if you think of the internet shows about news as the new media, which is kind of what this piece is about, and you think about it as like a decentralized network,

like it's not a network like MSNBC or Fox. It's, it's all totally decentralized to each show utilizes one of many different platforms or many of many different platforms. But if you look at that, like again, if you compare this world to the corporate media, we're a show that has much better ratings than many of the shows in the corporate media world. And so it's just you when you're kind of in this game in this space, it's fascinating to see this thing, the media, the corporate media that we've been criticizing for so long,

finally notice you and have a comment on this world. Like it's just, it's a very, it's a new dynamic and it's particularly fascinating to me at least cause like I'm in this world. Um, so anyway, this is Rob, this is the piece, uh, it ran yesterday in the New York times. The, the title of the piece, um, is I traded my news apps for rumble the right wing YouTube. Here's what I saw.

This is already a very interesting title. Like as soon as I read this title, I'm like, oh, I'm going to be interested in what this article is. By the way, you know, Rumble, we are on Rumble. We have a channel there and have for for a little while. You know, my experience with Rumble is, listen, there's some great content over there, particularly Glenn Greenwald. And there's some other exclusive content over there I've personally found rumble very difficult to navigate which includes when I was posting my content over there I couldn't search and find my own content so

rumble has some I mean I'm not on the site too often sometimes it does have that old YouTube feel where it's throwing Information at me that I'm more interested in than what I might be seeing in the YouTube algorithms But its search function is pretty terrible and I don't know I literally don't know if our show is still there or not Listen, I am There's no question in my experience I would say that the like the user friendliness of YouTube is just like and maybe it's just that that's what I'm used to But that it is the best in my opinion. Um, but rumble, you know,

we did start a channel that I think we're still over there. Um, if not, I'm going to make sure we, we, uh, continue to be, or we go back to posting the episodes there cause we should. And I do want to do, you know, what I can to support the platforms that I thought that I appreciate, you know, remaining free speech platforms. However, I'll just say even though we've we've posted many of our shows at rumble We are not like exclusive to rumble and we have a much bigger channel on on YouTube than we do over there Yeah, not only the episodes there, but the the trust the science got a hundred eight thousand views on rumble alone, so wait

Is that true? Yeah according. I mean the last episode I'm seeing is the hunter bought hardened part yeah I mean we're there and things are getting pretty decent amount of views so I corrected so we stand corrected we're huge on Rumble well though okay so I listen I confess I have not checked in on the rumble channel that much I try You know the we we wanted I remember When we first started the channel over there, we were like, you know, we got to like have a rumble you know just in our own interest as

Because it's like oh if we get banned off other places we can go there. But also you know, it's you kind of feel like there are, at least there are a lot of people who take the position. I've, I've seen this, I'm sure you've seen this on social media, a bunch Rob, where if you post something to YouTube, people will go not support in YouTube, like just put it on rumble and I'll watch it there or like where, and, and I,

I understand why people do that and for those people you know I want them to have the option to watch it at one of these sites that is a free speech site and really I at least to my knowledge I think Rumble has been pretty steadfast on that and not buckled and really done a phenomenal job of standing by their you know their their people something I value very much. So anyway, let me just say before we even get into the piece, the first point is that you already see the bias,

the very blatant bias in calling rumble a right wing site. Well, they call them the right wing YouTube and you know, I will say it probably is true. I don't know this for absolute sure, but I think I'm right. That the probably the majority of the big shows on Rumble lean, right? What would be considered right by most Americans. And so there is, you know, to some extent, a plausible, you know, justification there to say,

Oh, it's a right wing site. But you know, for a fact that YouTube would never be referred to as a left wing site if it was brought up in, in the New York times like that, it would just be YouTube, you know, and so the interesting dynamic and why it's a uh, you know, how Michael Malice,

uh, says like the corporate press is often a factual but not truthful. And it's not exactly that this is factual. I'm just saying there's, there's an argument to be made on kind of the surface level that it's a right wing site. But the, the, the way in which that's factual but not truthful is that You know, like what is rumble? What is the first thing you would describe it as what's what we all know? Everybody in this space knows That the thing about rumble why would the right why were the right wingers even going to rumble to begin with?

Was because you don't get kicked off there. So that's why these people went there. It's not as if nobody, there was never any other even plausible reason. If anybody in this space, everyone knows, left, right, just anyone paying attention to this world knows that the reason people went to rumble over YouTube was never anything else. It wasn't like, oh they have a bigger audience there or they have, you know, I don't know, it's easier or there was no other advantage. The whole thing was that for a while YouTube would just kick you off or at least you were always at risk of that.

And so do you get my point Rob where it's like to describe it as a right wing site when you wouldn't describe YouTube as a left wing site, when the dynamic at work here, even if some of the big shows, they are our right wing. The dynamic here is that you have one group that's kicking the right wingers off and the other group going, we won't kick anyone off. Yet the one who won't kick anyone off gets labeled as like having a bias and the one who's actively kicking off one side gets labeled as neutral so you see like isn't that a perfect example of how

they're like factual but not truthful and I'm stretching factual a little bit but you get my point like it's not exactly a lie what they're saying but the framing of it totally puts like a 180 degree false spin on the actual dynamic and this is the anybody who pays attention in this world knows it Right and and that's that's one of the interesting things. It's like where they still already just in the title Every time the corporate media acknowledges this world this world of internet shows about politics. They can never actually deal with what it is. Like they can never just because they just have to like make it this false framing.

But the problem is that everyone in this world knows what's up. No one here doesn't know why people went to rumble. This isn't a mystery to anybody. It's not because, oh, that's where the right wing audience was. Or you know what I'm saying? Like, this isn't like a thing like Fox news that you go there because that's where the right wing audiences rumble was you go there because you won't get kicked off. You'll be able to say what you want to say. And if in that environment, more right wingers flourish than left wingers,

well that what does that tell you? I mean something. And also the other thing I guess I should add is that like Glenn Greenwald and Nick Russell brand, I think has a huge show over there and these guys are just in no way Right-wingers and they do and they have succeeded over there. So that kind of tells you like oh, that's the type of left-winger who can Survive in this world the ones who are honest and talk about the real corruption that's going on ones who are honest and talk about the real corruption that's going on. Um, anyway, if there's anything you want to add to that, I'm just, it's amazing how there's so much to rant about,

which I think is a justified round just off the title of this piece. I'm with you that even the framing has spin. Yep. Okay. Now this again is, we're not even getting to the article. Imagine me reading this on the plane, Rob. We haven't even gotten to the first sentence of the article. I'm still and and let me explain. We're not going to get to that first sentence for a little while over this next line. That's the title. I traded my news app for rumumble, the right wing YouTube.

Here's what I saw. By Stuart A. Thompson. Stuart Thompson has monitored right wing media since 2020. He watched 47 hours of video on Rumble for this article. It's a pretty good amount of time of sitting around watching, just watching stuff. Well dude, I just wanna say though, it's really not. And it's, you know, there's something where,

the thing that I thought of- I guess that's 10 podcasts, or 20 podcasts, I guess you're kinda right. That's one week of casual podcast listening for some people. Well that's the point, It goes, oh, congratulations. You're the newest guy consuming this world's content. And now you're in the position to write a piece for the New York Times?

The thing I thought about, it's like, okay, if you remember, you remember when Sam Harris called me out and Sam Harris's dig on me, which I said at the time, not entirely unfairly, you know, not entirely unfair of him, but his dig is who the hell is this Dave Smith guy? Like I'm supposed to listen to him like he's fucking Henry Kissinger or something like that. Now, you know, forget the Kissinger example. You can kind of get what Sam Harris is saying there, right? He's like what is this a comedian who just like says he reads about this stuff Gets to come on the Joe Rogan podcast the biggest show and like break down the history of Ukraine or the history of Israel Palestine like what there should be like an expert who does that. Now, okay, if I'm being completely honest about this here,

I do lay that shit down though, when I'm on Rogan. Like I do, it is pretty great. But anyway, I get his point there. I get that. But the thing is that there's two like outrages happening here. Like Sam Harris is right. I shouldn't be the guy doing this. None of this should be. Nothing that's happening. If you haven't noticed that at least in the last four years of America,

nothing that's happening here is right. None of this is the way it's supposed to be. Okay. But the thing is there's two scandals going on here, right? One, one scandal is that, is that, oh my God, people are getting your news from fucking comedians. This is insane, all right? I'll grant you that that's one issue. But then there's this other issue on the other side,

which wouldn't you think if you recognize both of these issues, that this second one I'm gonna lay down is a little bit more of an important one than that one, if your concern is the experts and your concern is the expert class the New York Times the the newspaper of record the newspaper that is according to every powerful person

The most important newspaper in the United States of America and thus in the freaking world because America is the world empire Okay So the New York Times the newspaper of record is gonna report on this phenomenon of how the entire media landscape has changed and the Qualifications for the guy doing this is that for four years? He's been paying attention to right-wing media like listen to Sam Harris's point about me, right? I've, I got obsessed with this world in 2007. So that that is 17 years, right? Is my math

correct on that? 2007 to 2024? You're groovy and just go with it 17 years, I think um So in in this 17 years, I mean when I first came in it was the Ron Paul Presidential campaign in 2008. I got fascinated with it I I've been obsessed with this world and the things that Ron Paul was talking about then That I was reading every book I could get my hands on about and trying to learn everything I could about the things he was talking about was like the war on terrorism in the Middle East and the economy and central banking and you know, And all of these things that when you see me, you know ranting about some shit today But you see me talking about Syria or Ukraine or the fucking Federal Reserve or whatever all of the stuff that I talk about

It's shit. I've been fucking really paying attention to for like 17 years And you're right even with that that doesn't make me the fucking expert in it But here you have a guy whose credentials is I've watched this shit for kind of like four years You don't fucking understand anything at four years, dude. I wasn't doing any of the things you're talking about I wasn't the guy ranting on Joe Rogan's podcast four years into paying attention to this shit you know what I mean, like I was way way levels beyond that and it's not like I, on this show, it's never, the claim has never been that like, um, we are just so smart. We're just so brilliant that we understand this shit that you can't understand.

We were not, you know, we're not dummies. Like we're regular people, but reasonably intelligent people. You meet them all the time. They're all over the place. And if a reasonably intelligent person has paid attention to something really thoroughly for 17 years, they're gonna have some things to say about that. They're gonna have some insights on that.

And then I think the real deception is to think that the people at the New York Times or something like that are so much more impressive. There's so much more intelligent. There's so much more professional. They're all this guy's been paying attention for four years. That's nothing. You're a fucking rookie kid. You don't know this world. You don't know the dynamics of what you're talking about. You know how long you have to look into any of these things to really start to

get a little bit of understanding of it. And then, you know, to say, um, 47 hours, what? That's what you put in. So again, Rob, like you're saying to, to a normal person who listens to a lot of podcasts, that's like a week or two or something, whatever. Let's just say, are you the expert now on all those podcasts you're listening to? You're not the expert on one of them. You don't even know one of them. If, if,

if there's somebody who's a regular listener of any one of those shows and you tried to talk to them about the show, you wouldn't know what the fuck you're talking about, right? This is the dynamic. Like this is Rob, I've, I've been watching baseball for 70 hours. I'm like an expert on it now. I'm going to write a piece on it. Doesn't that seem like maybe you should have a little more understanding if you're talking

about such an important thing like the collapse of your industry? At the New York Times, they're doing a piece about the collapse of the industry that the New York Times they're doing a piece about the collapse of the industry that the New York Times is in and they have a rookie who doesn't know what he's talking about already. I can already tell you before the first sentence he has no idea what he's talking about. Am I missing something here Rob? Well I think the baseball is a good example but then sometimes they do write pieces where you'll go to a rodeo and it's the perspective

of a guy who knows nothing about the rodeo who's like, hey, I spent three days at the rodeo, here's what the rodeo's like. So I guess it kind of depends on how you're presenting the piece. Yeah, okay, fair enough. I'm just saying it's in the New York Times. You know, like, this is-

No, but it's point well taken. I can go watch people do jujitsu for four days and then go, hey, here's my weekend of watching people do jujitsu, but that wouldn't qualify me to do color commentary at the UFC. I guess more the point that I'm really trying to make here is that when I rant about the corporate media on like

some huge show, I'm somebody who's been like really in depth paying attention to them for 17 years. You know, I was watching them before that just like not that religiously, but I was like aware, you know, we've all like seen the news in our lives. So it's just like, when I talk about them, it's with so much more expertise than when they talk about Glen Greenwald or

whoever the Dan Bongino is, I think one of the biggest shows over there, Charlie Kirk, I think has a huge show over there. But when they talk about any of those guys, they don't know what they're talking about. So I'm just making that point that like almost for people to understand that like the Sam Harris objection, there is some merit to it, but it's just only when you focus on that problem

and not how about this, that actually we are coming from a much more? Educated point of view when we talk about the corporate media than when they talk about us. They just don't know all right So it's getting into the article here As soon as president-elect Donald Trump won the presidential race Influencers on rumble the right-wing alternative YouTube, flooded the platform with a simple catchphrase, quote, we are the media now. The idea seemed to capture a growing sense that traditional journalists have lost their position at the center of the media ecosystem.

Polls show that trust in mainstream news media has plummeted and that nearly half of all young people get their news from quote influencers rather than journalists in Its place they argue are right-wing digital creators Who have found hoards of fans online rumble for instant is tiny compared with YouTube But it is a primary source of news for millions of Americans according to Pew Research Center So source of news for millions of Americans, according to Pew research center. Um, so it's very, uh, interesting as we've pointed out many times to see since the

election, the corporate media dealing with this dynamic, mentioning it, it's it's beyond the point where they can't mention that a weird dying and this other industry is flourishing. You know, you get to a certain point where you can't not admit that, but isn't it crazy that you already know every time you hear it, that they will never really deal with the issue, the reasons why this dynamic exists. They will never look into it.

It is Rob. I know I've, uh, I've used like examples before where it's like cheating on your spouse or something like that and they catch you. But it, when I read this, what I, what I think about almost, and I guess cause me and you've been doing standup comedy for a long time, but it's like, imagine like if you were, if me and you were talking and I was like, you know, there's a real problem where, uh, the crowds don't laugh anymore.

You know, isn't that almost the comparison to like the New York times talking about how people don't trust them anymore? Like that's the dynamic. It's the same as you in the audience. Imagine you came to me, Rob, you're like, you know, the problem is like the amount of laughs I get has been plummeting. And you know, the reason for that is I think somebody's poisoning these people against me or something, you know, and like to, to actually not just have a conversation about this,

but to like write a piece and put it out there and not have, you know, the focus be some self reflection, some introspection. What have we done? How have we gotten to this point? You know what I mean, Rob? They never seem to get there. All right. Um, sorry, where were we here? Okay. On election night it's active viewership. We're talking about rumumble here, topped out

at more than 2 million and the company said in a statement that it averaged more than 67 million monthly active users in the final quarter of 2024. So I mean, in other news, there's a lot of people who watch Rumble. I mean, we checked just earlier in this show and we were kind of surprised to see that a lot of people Are watching are watching rumble then? We didn't even realize on our own channel um Okay, dan boncino host of the dan boncino show says viewers should follow his program with other rumble creators in a bid to replace

Mainstream media if rumble was the now, I wondered what would it be like to consume an all Rumble diet. So on November 18th, about two weeks after the election, I deleted my news app, unsubscribe from all my podcasts and filtered all my newsletters to the trash. And for the next week, from early morning to late night, I got all my news from Rumble. That's a very funny time to do that, because that's also when you would have had two weeks of admissions of, oh my god, we've been wrong for two years.

In fact, completely removing mainstream media to not parallel with what's going on on another platform, I would think would really remove your ability to see what the accuracy of that other information, like if you're not comparing it, you know what I mean, you almost kind of have to compare it to hey, how is the New York Times showcasing this piece versus how are these people breaking it down? And two weeks after the election

would have been an excellent time to actually probably see a very similar story on both places. Yeah, no, this is is that's my whole point man It's like something would have been a real like you'd expect from the New York Times if you're gonna tell me like yeah But you know you you guys are just comedians like what the fuck do you know about this shit? You don't have the credentials, but then I'm looking at the New York Times and you're like wait So the way you would tackle this wouldn't be like hey Where were these rumble influencers and where was the New York times on say,

like the 10 biggest stories of the election? What side of this, what were they saying? What were they saying? What, what were people interested in this news for? What were people interested in this news instead of being anything like that or having someone like, why is this so crazy, Rob? Having someone write a piece for the New York times who actually knows what the fuck they're talking about when it comes to this subject. We are not the only ones where I'm not the only one who would have made the

point that like, no, they're going over to rumble because they don't censor people. Right? This is not, this is not some brilliant insight that it is. Why is it if we're just the dumb comedians and they are the respectable ones, why is it that they can't have the standard of just knowing what we know of, of knowing some basic thing? Why can't we expect that the New York times would have someone write a piece who knows something about this? This, this piece is almost already. The premise of it seems like it should be in

17 magazine. You know what I mean? Like it should be some, like I wanted to see what it would be like to have a sleepover for nine straight days. And so I just jumped into it and now I'm in sleepover world and blah, blah. You know what I mean? Like this is like a silly little puff piece. This shouldn't be running in the serious newspaper. This shouldn't be their take on how. I mean, he just said it right there, right? Like he in fancy New York Times words said, what I said, your industry is evaporating and this other industry is flourishing. He went, Hey, none

of these people really trust the, you know, the corporate media anymore. And look, you know, rumble is pulling in tens of millions of fucking downloads every month. Right? That's the that's the story here. And so we get a 17 magazine like, I don't know, I'm going to dive in for two weeks and tell you what I think. All right, guys, let's take a moment and thank our sponsor for today's show, which is sheath underwear. Love this company. Love the people who run it. And I love their product. Most of all sheath uses moisture wicking technology to create

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All right, let's get back into the show. This does feel like puff piece. The second you said that I got rid of everything, it feels like puff piece template of I decided to go see a health and wellness. I went to a health and wellness retreat. So the first thing I did is I got all the junk food out of my apartment. And now I get to experience what is being on this health diet

for a week actually feel like. This is that classic template. I decided I'm gonna move on from Dylan. So I threw out all this stuff and all the pictures we had together. And I was just living a Dylan free life. That's literally what it sounds like. There's nothing serious about this and and after the two paragraphs again

We're dying. They're flourishing you would think that would take like some seriousness to follow it Not this nonsense. Okay, does he slowly start getting one over? He was like these people seem a lot more masculine and they talk about eating meat and I started eating meat and wow I felt better too now I'm thinking about shooting guns and drinking beers and actually hanging out with all those friends and I was calling a racist bigot. The end of this article is he just gets cool yeah anyway yeah just mate I'm actually a cool dude now all right let's go back to the piece. I started by visiting Rumble's homepage on Monday morning

where I saw my first recommended video. It was about the risk of nuclear war with an AI-generated photo of President Biden laughing maniacally above a headline that read, World War III Incoming? Biden authorizes strike on Russia ahead of Trump taking office. So that's the first like piece of news that he points to. And again,

headline packs a punch. Yes. Well, well, look, there's, I don't know the piece. I have not read it. Um, I believe there is a link in the article, I believe, but I have not jumped into, I don't know if I'd agree with the argument or not that's being made in the piece, but there is just on it's on the face of the title that they're putting again, they're still so clueless when trying to deal with this world that they think that title is damning. They think that title is like it's world war three

incoming question mark, Biden authorizes strikes on Russia ahead of Trump taking office. Dude, this story, that right there, the headline, nothing to disagree with. That sounds great. Yeah, that's a huge story and it's worth making the question. After Donald Trump has been running and campaigning on ending the war, stopping the killing, negotiating a deal, while Biden for years now has been all in on the war, stopping the killing, negotiating a deal while Biden for years now has been all in on the war. And then after Trump wins the election,

Biden decides to approve strikes deep within Russia with US weapons, which all reports on the ground indicate can only be operated by like either NATO or the US. But yeah, that's a a huge story why wouldn't that be right up there and how would your takeaway from that not be like oh yeah maybe we should be covering it that way all right Rumble was once an obscure video platform featuring mostly viral cat videos founded in 2013 by a Canadian entrepreneur. It was designed as a home for independent sensors who felt crowded out on YouTube, independent, I'm sorry, independent creators

who felt crowded out on YouTube. But the platform took a hard right turn around the time of the Capitol riots on January 6th, 2021. So they say in 2021, when social networks and YouTube cracked down on users who violated their rules. Now I just want to already say this is so this is where they finally get to addressing you know at least kind of that there was some censorship out there. I guess that is part of the story.

That wasn't the birth of the censorship. It would have been no stuff. Oh Rob. That wasn't the birth of the censorship. It would have been COVID stuff. Oh, Rob. That does not sound accurate. Rob, we are not going to let him rewrite history like that, dude. That is not what happened. No, it is not. Yes, there were some people who got kicked off after January 6th,

but that was just how it was back then. Anytime there was like a big thing, they'd use it to kick some more people off. But I'm sorry, the year, whole year of 2020, okay, January 6 was in 2021. And the entire year of 2020 was a mass censorship spree. And it didn't start then the wave really started back in like 2017. It was right after Donald Trump got elected the first time after they hauled the big executives in that's when it happened We remember Rob me and you were there Yeah, that sounds I mean if you're gonna write an expert piece and say that

People ditch the platform because of censorship over January 6 that just you're that you're neglecting the entire covid story And you're obviously again just trying to like kind of, you're doing this thing. It's like, if the tactic doesn't work. So you're just going to write and do another piece where you're like, we're going to frame it as this. It's like, Oh yeah. You remember, Hey reader, you remember those January 6th people? Well, that's who went over there.

And it's like, and that's just not true, man. That's not like, that's's that's not what actually describes the dynamic of what happened with Rumble. Also, COVID is a little bit like anti war, and that that should not be a right wing talking point. It's almost a shame on the classic liberals that they took the side of government authority and censorship because of this, you know, that this this virus we're all going to die from.

I'm just saying that there's no reason why that should be considered a core conservative issue. Oh no, it's the idea. Well, and that's part of why they can't frame it that way, because it's like the idea of if you really get to like, it's not, they're trying to tell you, Okay, conservatives took an issue with big pharma and it's control over government. Right, right.

It's like, they're trying to tell you that the with big pharma and it's control over government. Right, right. It's, it's like, they're trying to tell you that the real issue here is like it's right wingers and it's January 6th type people. And, and, and, we all know like that the implied thing here is that what it's a, they believe conspiracies, misinformation, they believe all of these things. But if you just mention that the whole thing, again, it's not this, you know, the way he frames it, oh, the January 6 people, and then some of them got censored, like some of them got kicked off. It's like, no, there was censorship for years and years and years. And enough people, you know, many of whom could, I don't think the way the dynamics are right now,

I think that Glenn Greenwald probably could have a show on YouTube permanently and just be huge and make lots of money. I don't think he's getting kicked off right now. I don't think all the big shows over there, I don't think any of them are like getting kicked off if they were on YouTube right now, okay? And like me and you, Rob, we've managed to stay

on the platform over the years. And lots of good people have. The during, there's certain topics. If you want. Run your mouth, did not. Huh? Run your mouth, did not. I mean, I was repeatedly done temporary or long-term bans.

I never got the channel completely banned but I had repeated strikes on the channel. Right, right. Yeah, no question. And a lot of people, look there were a lot of topics and there were a lot of things, there's still a lot of topics that you just know you cannot talk about on YouTube that just you kind of have to stay away from that. There's always been, and right now it's calmed down a lot. It seems to be one of the better periods of time in recent memory, but there are, there are things you cannot do.

And throughout the years there have been things you really couldn't do, things you could not say, or you would get booted off the platform. And for a lot of people, I think like Dan Bongino and Glenn Greenwald, and I think a lot of them, they could just do a show on YouTube right now. I don't think they would get kicked off, but I think a lot of them have something in common, even though they have, by the way,

the two people I just named, like Glenn Greenwald and Dan Bongino, have radically different politics, radically different politics. But what both of them have, I think is kind of like, well, I don't even want to be worried that I could get kicked off for saying something, you know? Like, I don't want to be, when the big thing happens, when it's January 6th or when it's, you know,

whatever the war in Ukraine breaks out or the COVID vaccine is being pushed, whenever you have the big thing, maybe these guys who have gigantic audiences just want to say, Hey, you know what? I'm going to go with the company that says, no matter what I say, you got my back. I have a right to say it. That that in itself is like a big part of the reason why so many of these people went over there, but it's all about that. It's all about the free speech issue. And to the point you were making, Rob, if you

admit that it's all about the free speech issue, well, then you can't frame it as this fringe right wing issue. Because free speech is just not a fringe right wing view. It's like you could place it wherever you want to on the political spectrum, but that can't be it. It's not a fringe right wing view to believe in free speech in no sense of the like, like philosophically or historically the far right wing are not the free speech people. Like, that's not what that means. And if you are calling the free speech people far right wing You probably have something all messed up in your head free speech is a is a liberal value and that you know what I mean like and always has been and

Until the last like few years until the last few years It's always been like a bedrock liberal value since the term liberal was invented So anyway, that's why they can't frame it that way any other thoughts Rob No, I'm curious to hear what else this guy gets flagrantly wrong. All right, let's see Okay, I chose the selection of popular quote news shows to watch along with political content from other areas like its active conspiracy section because my experiment because my experiment began so soon after Mr. Trump swept to victory on November 5th. I expected many of the videos to feel triumphant.

There were a few moments of joy. After the hosts of Morning Joe, the MSNBC talk show, visited Mar-a-Lago, hosts of Rumble shows gleefully mocked them, saying they went to kiss the ring and bend the knee. Clips of NFL athletes doing Mr. Trump's dance moves were a sign, I'm sorry, were a sign the host said that that mr. Trump had uh from the clutches of hollywood liberals Sorry, one second here. Okay, so you know Again the other thing that they do here which you may have noticed is that When when you do these things they'll they'll kind of already he's talking about how he sees all these things that are kind of um

like mocking and shitty and it's like Rob Mean you have watched the corporate media. They also do the same thing right, I Mean do they not engage in that tactic as well. Yeah turning a Turning Joe Rogan green and saying that he's taken horse to warmer I mean, that's just the top example that comes to mind, but I seen it hundreds of times whatever it's a great do you believe these lunatics is essentially that the characterization on the news the the Rogan one is a great example to mention but it's all the time it's like every single show that's what

they do they look into they're constantly just saying like, oh my god, these fucking retards, really? You believe this? You believe Donald Trump? And can you believe there's people out there who actually think they know better than the experts and all this shit? That's what the whole, that's what all of them do. So... Can you believe that people are gonna back this criminal Donald Trump who's been found guilty in all these court cases? Yeah And can you believe that they're willing to pretend like our president has dementia and will put out deep fakes out of context? Can you believe what these people are doing? Did you see today Rob that fucking

Stephanopoulos cost fucking ABC 15 million bucks. You see this shit They just settled with a fucking over a defamation suit. Cause and I remember watching it. I think we talked about it on the show because we were saying like these guys in the corporate media will literally just say Donald Trump was like convicted of rape or something like that. And you're like, what? No, we fucking wasn't. And it's, and you can't say that. I mean, by our current laws, like you're not allowed to say that. What do you mean?

And it was Stephanopoulos in Like, you're not allowed to say that. What do you mean? And it was Stephanopoulos in that interview where he was trying to press that Congress lady. And he just goes, I think, he didn't say convicted, but he goes, Donald Trump was found civilly guilty of rape. But that's not true. It was like a defamation suit. Like, she somehow argued that he defamed her

by denying her allegations. But that's not being convicted of the crime right And like so anyway, so Donald Trump fucking He's got 15 million dollars that they had the ABC had to donate to like his library or some shit like that So again, it's always like and I hope every book in the library is a George Stephanopoulos a piece of shit. How I won $15 million, it's just all petty books or it's nothing but the art of the deal. It's an entire section of it.

Yeah. Well, I also like, you know, you get it a lot where people will use these these standards to smear someone or to smear a group of people where they just they use these very you know these blatantly unfair things where like you know they'll talk about like oh you know so-and-so's Twitter followers are known for attacking people you know but then like they'll never point out that like everybody's Twitter followers are known for attacking people like all of them. What do you, what does that even mean? Like that's just how Twitter is. You know what I mean? Like that's one aspect of Twitter. If you're looking for that,

you'll find it very easily on that website, but like that's not, but they use it just about you. So they'll point out like, Oh, I saw that, you know, whatever that's random things that aren't, they're not really taking on like What Glenn Greenwald is saying, you know, like you want you want to do something here the the newspaper of record Take on Glenn Greenwald take on the arguments that he's making and make a compelling case against it instead of just like the constant Framing the constant like you know what I mean Rob like they're writing It's like they're writing a horror novel or something. They're trying to scare you. We're trying to write in this language that convinces you.

These are the boogeyman. Okay. Then by the way, one of the, you know, things is that they at least by, by traditional standards, when I say traditional standards, maybe that's not the right term. I mean, by the standards of my lifetime, the way things have been throughout my life, none of those people, whether it's Bongino or Charlie Kirk or Glenn Greenwald, I don't know if I'm missing like Russell Brand, I think. I don't know if I'm missing like who the other big names on exclusive to Rumble are, but none of those guys by the standards of my lifetime are even somewhat radical.

They're all like within well within the spectrum of like just reasonable politics. None of them are like fucking anarchists or communists or fascists or like anything like that. They're all Democrats and Republicans. They're all just kind of have like Glenn Greenwald is like economically like much more, you know, the leftist than than me or you. And I think he would have the government having a huge, huge role in major industries. But I certainly don't think he's like, he's not trying to have a workers revolution of the people or anything like that. Like Glenn Greenwald knows enough about like authoritarianism. He's like, Hey, I don't have a workers revolution of the people or anything like that like Glenn Greenwald knows enough about like

Authoritarianism he's like yeah, I don't want to do any of that I just want to have like these government programs or something I think I think I'm right in saying that I probably I'm not a hundred percent about that, but I'm pretty sure that's where he would fall He's just a moderate Like he's I know I shouldn't say he's a moderate like he's a left-wing guy it. Like he's I'm not, I shouldn't say he's a moderate, like he's a left wing guy, but he's just, he's with well within the the normal left wing space of like yeah he probably wants a little bit more social services and a lot less war and a lot less spying and a lot less

three-letter agencies and a lot more free speech you know like that's pretty standard um dan bonjina was just a republican he's just a guy who would have voted for reagan when he was running voted for trump when he was running voted for Trump when he was running. But now I don't mean that as a knock on him. I just mean that's where he falls on the political spectrum. You're not talking about a group of radicals. This isn't a group of far right wing extremists or something. It's just not true.

And that's why they're you know, that's why they don't want to take on that. The Department of... sorry. But their happiness quickly gave way to a relentless outpouring of anger and frustration as they fixated on the cast of perceived enemies to blame for America's troubles, from Democratic politicians to TikTok personalities to Republican adversaries. Just a few hours into the experiment It was clear that I was falling into an alternative reality fueled almost entirely by outrage Among the claims I heard okay before we go through these claims again

What he's describing is all media All media Including the New York Times. Right, Rob? He's going to say it's fueled by outrage. The entire corporate media was literally telling us that Adolf Hitler is taking over the White House. That's what you were telling us for a full year. Democracy is on the ballot. We now live in a fascist country

What and I mean then you stopped as soon as we now live in a fascist country evidently am I missing something here rub? It was like the irony of Kamala Harris saying she was running the joy campaign and then Completely fear-mongering and demonizing the other side. Yeah, I mean it it's like, it's just so wild for them to come over here and go, oh, they have, you know, the thing, it's like James Lindsay describing the woke right. And then like the definition is the vaguest thing ever that you could apply to anyone if you wanted to. They think, you know, they think of politics and identity purposes or something like, okay, what? It's like the similar thing. This is nothing. You're like, Oh, it quickly turned into a relentless outpouring of anger and

frustration. Yeah. Are they angry about something that's worth being angry about? What are they angry about? Or they blame other people. Who do they blame? Just saying they're angry and they blame other people who do they blame just saying they're angry. They're angry and they blame others That's that's everyone Everyone making comments about politics You're almost just describing the genre of talk radio It's almost like if you're like this WWF thing where they're all in a ring wrestling with each other

Yeah, that's kind of what it is. It's on the level of it Yeah, I go to rumble and I click on news And everyone's just ranting about politics Huh? It's just all all again. All of this is just it's like fluff and then just framing all framing Imagine like like that was our beef If like our beef with the corporate media, you know, like I said before, and again, this is just objectively true.

When I criticize the corporate media, I'm somebody who has like, um, it's just extensively consumed corporate media really very, you know, like to a pretty large extent, you know, for at least 17 years, this is somebody who's, who's like a weekend to experiencing this world. It's just, that's the reality. And this, but when I'm criticizing the corporate media, as I've been known to do, I'm never criticizing them. It would never be something like, I turn on the corporate media and all right, let's just see what this is about.

And oh, they're so angry and oh look Everyone's always pissed off and then I turn on the far left MSNBC and everybody's just so mean and they're always trying to get you scared. It's like whenever we criticize them It's like they said this it was a lie because they knew this then and this then yet They still told you this then. They are lying to you. It's not just this empty framing and fluff. Like get to the argument. What did someone say that was wrong?

Just a few hours into the experiment it was clear that I was falling into an alternate reality fueled almost entirely by outrage. Among the claims I heard, some people at think tanks in Washington were quote morons and quote crazier than any schizophrenic. The Department of Homeland Security was running a sex trafficking operation, a claim apparently based on a misreading of a government report. The report by the Department of Homeland Security's office on the Inspector General indicated that more than 300,000

unaccompanied minors had not received a notice of blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Okay, so she's claiming that there was a story that was wrong. A story that was wrong that was about a sex trafficking operation in the government. Now, by the way, I'm not saying, I'm not up on this story, I'm not saying it's wrong. I'm saying that's essentially the point here. She found a story that was

wrong. I mean, like, or he I'm sorry, he found a story that was wrong. Anyway, like, he could even wrap up here. But you just the article goes on, but you understand, like, this is what it is. I feel like you only have to go like that far into the article to just kind of go like, okay, I just see what you're going to do. It's cherry pick some bad information here. And you know, no one, no one in the corporate media, including this article, I just do not believe it's like a genuine attempt. Let me say this. It's not that I don't know enough about this particular writer. Maybe he is like just really shallow and thinks he made a real attempt to like

understand this world. But for the New York times, as an organization, for this to be their attempt to grapple with this, it just shows like they don't actually want to, they don't actually have any interest in doing it. They just want to frame it as something that they can because the truth is if you wanted to really take it on, it is true that in this new kind of like decentralized world, you can get a lot of bad information. Like that is true. You can get articles that are wrong. There are bad sources. On the internet, there's a lot of misinformation. That much is true. But the thing is that there's also some truth out there. There's also some really

good people who really actually like call out the rampant corruption of the regime that we live under. So there's also some really great stuff out there. In the corporate media world, it's like all garbage. It was all garbage and Tucker Carlson and then you guys fired Tucker Carlson. So now it's pretty much all garbage. I shouldn't say that. There's a few people out there in the corporate media who are actually pretty good.

But those people who are pretty good, they all know exactly what I'm saying. And those people, the few people in the corporate media who are good would like be clapping when they heard me say, it's all garbage. There's just, so at least in the decentralized world, we have a shot. We have a shot to get some some good stuff And I'm sorry, but Glenn Greenwald and Tucker Carlson those guys are better than anybody in the corporate media anybody Anything you want to add Rob I Gotta I gotta read the rest of this piece See see what this guy was trash and rumble for it doesn't sound like he's got a whole lot

Yeah, it's just like it's it's you know look you know, look, we can hear, we could read a little bit more of it. We'll see what he gets into. Okay, it's, it seems clear that actual news, the objective details about complex situations like election proceedings or the war in Ukraine mattered far less than how these situations could be contorted to support mr. Trump or deride Democrats Nearly every show created a visceral feeling that the nation was barreling from crisis to crisis Okay, so again also, that's funny. Do you want to take the other side of that?

Do you think that that's not a problem? Do you think these wars aren't a problem? Do you think the border wall is not a problem? Do you think inflation is not a problem? What particular topic are these people addressing that you think we border wall's not a problem? Do you think inflation's not a problem? What particular topic are these people addressing that you think we're doing great on? In fact, is the New York Times just a paper of sunshine and roses? Hey, this morning, you wouldn't believe there are more roses in the Capitol than last week,

because everything's going great and we have absolutely nothing else to report on. Is that usually what's in the news? Yeah, and 100%. And again, to just be like the whole thing. I mean, what essentially is being said here other than like the whole thing leans pro Trump and the whole thing. I mean, what did she say here?

Exactly. They don't care about objective details about complex situations. That matters less than how these situations could be contorted to support Trump. So always trying to get Trump over. And then they're always like deriding Democrats and saying that we're going from crisis to crisis. Okay. Well, like, okay, let's take a few of these things apart here. So yeah, I mean, that's probably true, right?

It is probably true that during the election season and even like right now, after the election, people are on, on the Trump side, like spinning every argument to favor Trump probably a little bit more than is even, than is even fair at times. No question. We've seen a lot of that. Me and you, Rob, you know, and yeah, they're deriding Democrats in there, but it's like, look, if you turn on the corporate media, it's all the same thing, but reverse.

And here's the dynamic. The system is set up and not by the people, but by the powerful, the system is set up so that like either Donald Trump or Kamala Harris was going to win the presidential election. Those were the options. And. You know, my point is just that, you know, as somebody who's been in a third party for some years, you know, the entire system is so rigged against third parties. And that's not because of anything that's written in the

Constitution. That's not because of anything that was like the true supreme law of the land of this country or whatever. It's just that the Democrats and Republicans are the ones that write the laws. And so they decided to write the laws to rig the fucking whole election systems against third parties. And so, okay, I'm just saying that the system is you're going to get one of these two options. And so of course that pushes people into being on one of those sides or the other, you know? of course that pushes people into being on one of those sides or the other, you know? And when the, obviously the entire corporate media apparatus,

the one you represent, the one that is collapsing is pushing this one candidate. Why is it so unreasonable that, Hey, we happen to find that this other media apparatus that is very critical of us and the candidate that we're pushing. Of course, they won't admit that they're just pushing this candidate, but everyone knows they are. And hey, corporate media, by the way, a little secret here, you'd be better off to just admit it at this point.

It's the secrets out. You were all trying to get Kamala Harris elected and before that Biden and before that Clinton, but okay. But now you're outraged at somebody who opposes everything you stand for, opposing the binary other option that they have besides your candidate. And the only other option they have who might actually win, might actually be president was Trump. And now because Trump's in there, there's at least a shot that they get some people who are going to try to stop what we don't like that you stand for. And so why would you be, what does it say

for your comment to be, yeah, they like that guy. We like this girl, but they like that guy. That's what I found when I was over there. But you can't just say that, so you have to write it up in like scary language. Ooh, they were only trying to support Trump. So you have to write it up in like scary language. Ooh, they were only trying to support Trump. They didn't care about objective facts. That's right. You know, the corporate media who said Biden was sharp as attack, they cared

about objective facts so much. And that's not, you know, is that a petty thing to be an objective fact? That like, is that, is that a petty issue that the commander in chief is fucking a Leslie Nielsen in like one of his later movies? That's we're not supposed to point that out and you're going to lie about that anyway, but they don't care about objective facts because they're trying to get a candidate over. I mean the fucking the, what would the Jews say? The chutzpah, Rob, to, to, for the corporate media to turn around after, you know,

it's saying Joe Biden is not senile while you could see he was senile. They're going to say these guys don't care about objective facts as much as they do about getting their candidate over. That's the complaint. Okay. Progressives were getting away with galling levels of incompetence or corruption. The host said over and over again, even though Mr. Trump and the Republicans would soon control the White House and Congress, and conservatives have a majority on the Supreme Court,

they were more, there were quote, more battles to come. Um, I shouldn't say quote, but it's a link, you know, again, because they can't actually grapple with any of the, uh, with any of the substance of the dynamic here, what he's going to just keep doing and we can wrap on this, but what, what he keeps doing here is, you know, like without addressing the core of why you guys fell apart, particularly over these years. And I know a lot of it has to do with technology,

but come on, man, couldn't you look at like after we're, we're coming right after the COVID regime and the Biden administration and, and trusted media has collapsed. And you don't kind of see some of the dynamics here that some of the dynamics are that, you know, cause when he sits here, he goes, Oh man, they just, essentially the last two paragraphs are it's, it's, um, somehow like paranoid or, uh, it's, it's not based in fact, it's just designed to scare you because they have this idea that like we're going from crisis to crisis and that even though

Trump has won, there's still this huge battle to be fought even though they have the Congress and the White House. And you're like, well, who could say we haven't been going from crisis to crisis for the last few years? Could you say that? Like from 2020 to now, we're almost at a hot war with Russia. We went through lockdowns. We went through, you know, inflation.

We went through just like so many like major things. The whole vaccine debacle, just all of this stuff. And to say there's still work to be done, it's like, yeah, the thing is, dude, you can't just say that's a ridiculous position without like getting into it, you know? You can't say that without taking that down. Who wants to argue that any of those things I just mentioned were not a crisis that we weren't going from crisis to crisis and that Democrats certainly had a lot of blame in that What's the argument against that?

Anyway, this is why this is why they're destined to lose Rob Anything else anything else you want to say? Doesn't doesn't seem like they did their homework or put together a good article. Yep. Yep. That's right. All right guys Thanks for listening. We will catch you next time. Oh wait I do have two shows coming up this week first Thursday out in Jersey the political comedy jam Which are probably gonna relabel we the stupid down the line, but anyways, it's gonna hybrid show stand-up comedy news clips Anyways, it's gonna

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