Part Of The Problem - WWII: The Origin Story of the US Empire

Episode Date: September 5, 2024

Dave Smith brings you the latest in politics! On this episode of Part Of The Problem, Dave discusses Darryl Cooper's appearance on Tucker Carlson, the cultural power of WWII, and it's place as the origin of the American empire.Part Of The Problem is available for early pre-release at https://partoftheproblem.com as well as an exclusive episode on Thursday!Support Our SponsorsSheath Underwear - https://www.sheathunderwear.com/ and use code PROBLEM20YoDelta - https://yodelta.com/ and use code GAS for 25% offGet your tickets to Porch Tour Herehttps://porchtour.comFollow the show on social media:X:http://x.com/ComicDaveSmithhttp://x.com/RobbieTheFireInstagram:http://instagram.com/theproblemdavesmithhttp://instagram.com/robbiethefireGet your tickets to Porch Tour Herehttps://porchtour.comFind Run Your Mouth here:YouTube - http://youtube.com/@RunYourMouthiTunes - https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/run-your-mouth-podcast/id1211469807Spotify - https://open.spotify.com/show/4ka50RAKTxFTxbtyPP8AHmSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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This weekend comic Dave Smith comm for tickets there and for the rest of our will be touring All the way through the rest of the year. So I hope to see some of you guys out there on the road. All right So what I wanted to do for today's episode is you guys know typically this show, we, we cover current events. Um, every now and then we'll have episodes where we just kind of do more of a theme episode on something that's like a broader topic. And I thought we would do that today. Um, and it was the, the reason I had this idea is because if you guys are on social media,

you quite possibly have seen this already. But, uh, my guys, uh, Darrell Cooper and Tucker Carlson really set the internet on fire. Uh, there's just, it's, I think it's rare that people used to have a term, say like they, they broke the internet when it was like the dominant thing that everyone's talking about. And I feel like there's so many shows on the internet now that that's rare but this one definitely did it and the kind of

corporate establishment media types were losing their minds Let's say a certain type of Conservatives were also losing their minds about it and it was because they got into a discussion involving World War two So I kind of thought maybe we would do an episode on World War two Listen just let me start by saying obviously I guess full disclosure or something like that I am a little bit biased about this particular controversy because I Really love and admire both Darrell Cooper and Tucker Carlson. I just love these guys. Um,

I think they do great work and just personally they've never been anything but great to me. So, okay, I'm a little bit biased going in, but I gotta say, I thought the podcast was so good. I highly recommend it. I knew they were going to be great, uh, together. And I just, you know, I highly recommend it. I think it was excellent. And I'm really looking forward to Daryl Cooper's, uh, project on world war two. So let me start with this and I'm going to play in a second. We'll play the clip, uh,

of what I think was the most controversial part of the episode. Uh, and we can kind of break it down a little bit, but I would just, let me preface everything I'm about to say by just saying as is true with most Issues I am NOT the expert I am certainly not the expert on World War two and if this podcast is not gonna be like an exhaustive comprehensive, you know history on World War two or anything like that, as is typically the case. I'm, I'm not an expert on this, but I have read enough about it that I can point you to the experts

and as, as, as is typically the case, right? Like, okay. I, there are people with far more expertise on, um, the history of Israel and Gaza than I have, or the history of Israel, Palestine, I should say, then I have, um, Darrell Cooper being one of those guys. Um, but I know enough about it. And the things that I know about it are like narrative shattering for the other side.

And so that's why I'm able to go and like win all these debates on the topic is because I know enough about it. I've read enough about it and what I know about it completely destroys the argument that's being put forth from the other side. So that's, that's, I kind of how I feel about this world war two stuff also. Um, one of the things, so I talked a bit about world war two when I was on Tucker Carlson, I believe the first time and was it the sec? Yeah, it was, I think it was the first time. Um,

and one of the things that I brought up was this, and I think, Daryl Cooper made a somewhat of a similar point, but he really proved the point right. And that is that there is this power around world war two that is just unlike anything else. And it's, it's, it is this third rail where you are just not allowed to talk about it. If you dissent from the popular understanding of what happened and immediately, no matter what happened and immediately,

no matter what you're saying, if you, if you at all descent from the official story, you will be labeled as some type of like pro Hitler, pro Nazi guy. It's, it's really, really stupid. Um, it, it like on, on the intellectual merit of it, there is nothing to the argument. It's it's really really stupid. Um, it like on on the intellectual merit of it There is nothing to the argument. It's like if you were to say You know, I don't know if you were to say we shouldn't have fought the war in Iraq That doesn't make you pro Saddam Hussein and like if you just use that example, right?

You would immediately think like yeah How stupid would you have to be to say that somebody who goes George W. Bush and Dick Cheney never should have gotten us into the war in Iraq or they mishandled the war in Iraq or any of, if you bring up any of their blunders that obviously in no way is saying you endorse Saddam Hussein or like his worst policies or something like that. Um, by the way, unrelated, the U S government actually did endorse Saddam Hussein's worst policies,

which was probably gassing, you know, a bunch of Shiites in the eighties. But okay, anyway, regardless of that. So World War II is, I think we could all recognize, right that it is, and this is part of the reason why it's so important to talk about it, because it is given this emotional energy that there's really no other war that that has it. You know, like if I, if I were to say we never should have fought in world war one,

there's just no energy to that. That's not going to be a controversial statement. That's not going to get clipped and spread around. That's not going to lead to like a Twitter mob being furious. There's just nothing like that. If I were to even say Woodrow Wilson was the great villain in world war one, again, that's just, there's no controversy there. If I had said, um, you know, I mean the civil war has a little bit of it. Like if you're on the south side of the civil war, you might, you know,

that that might rub some people the wrong way. The American revolution, you could say whatever you want to about the American revolution. We never should have fought Vietnam. We never should have fought the war in Iraq. That's just obvious. No one even, but man, if you question the official narrative of world war two, there is this, um, there's just an energy about it. There's a storm that breaks out and that in itself is worthy of, of further investigation. Like why is that? And what I have, uh, what I said on Tucker show,

and I think this is right is that essentially the reason why World War II is so different than any other war. And like, if you, if you really think about it, right, it doesn't really make any sense. I mean, look, there were two world wars. Why is one of them radioactive to talk about, but not the other? I mean, you could say it's cause it's more recent, but again, Vietnam's a lot more recent than world war two. And that's, you could say whatever you want to about Vietnam. Iraq is way more recent.

You could say whatever you want to about that war. Um, the reason why world war two is different is because world war two is the origin story of the American empire and it's, it's the war that justifies, you know, in quotes that that justifies supposedly America being the world empire and America dominating the world. And it doesn't matter how, you know, what connection to reality that has or whether that is a Justification it's just that's that's what they rely on in order to justify

continued American dominance over the rest of the world and This is and literally like if you're you know, if you're my age or older You know that like the talking points from my father and grandfather's generation were that we'd all be speaking German. That was like the slogan. We'd all be speaking German if it wasn't for world war two. Now forget the idea that there's just, nobody can make an argument that Adolf Hitler ever had a plan to like sail across the Atlantic Ocean, you know,

after conquering England, he was then going to sail across the Atlantic Ocean, invade and conquer the United States of America and Institute mandatory German classes. You know what I mean? Like there's no connection to reality, but it's just this kind of blanket way of saying the whole world would have been essentially the worst nightmare in the history of the world if it hadn't been for world war II, if we hadn't fought this war. And then of course, um, you know, after that, that's all there's left to say.

And then what are the lessons of world war two? The lessons are, and there's really only one. And the one lesson is that Neville Chamberlain was the bad guy and, and Churchill was the good guy. And that Neville Chamberlain was, he wanted to appease Adolf Hitler and that he gave him checklist of Accia and and that you know I guess the lesson is that they should have gone to war earlier or they should have gone to war when Hitler first came to power or something like that but as somebody who has been you know has become one of like a fairly prominent anti-war voice

I can tell you that you Every single time every single time. I mean, I don't know I've done I think Like maybe 10 or 11 Israel Palestine debates over the last year and I don't think there's a single one where World War two wasn't brought up It's just constantly the justification. You know, if you go, Oh my God, what Israel's doing to Gaza is horrible. They go, well, what about Dresden and what about what we did in world war two? Because it's supposed to be an immediate get out of morality free card. I mean, if we did it in world war two, then it's gotta be right. You know,

like we did it. And obviously you couldn't be questioning whether world war two was right or wrong. That's just a given. And so that's kind of the, you know, it's like the lessons that are extrapolated from that. Also, by the way, I get called never never Chamberlain every time. You know, if you want to, if you think we should work out a deal with Vladimir Putin your chamberlain if you think we shouldn't Overthrow Saddam Hussein your chamberlain, you know, it's like it's that's all There's the only lesson as if the only lesson from history is that appeasement doesn't work Rather than a lesson from history ever being a case where aggression didn't work Where preemptive war didn't work because there's's also several examples of that. Many just from the last 20 years.

Um, okay. So let's, you know what here, let's go to Darrell Cooper's clip. I want, I challenge everyone to actually listen to the words he's saying. And then we'll kind of talk about world war two and the point he's making and why the reaction is so hysterical. So here's Darrell Cooper. And I told him that I think, and maybe I'm being a little hyperbolic, maybe, but I told him maybe trying to provoke him a little bit that I thought Churchill

was the chief villain of the second world war. Now he didn't kill the most people. He didn't commit the most atrocities, but I believe, and I don't really think, I think when you really get into it and tell the story right, and don't leave anything out, you see that he was primarily responsible for that war becoming what it did becoming something other than an invasion of Poland or. Just, I mean, at every step of the way like people are very often I find surprised to learn there's a two-step process what do you make the case make the case for that okay so you've made your

statement a lot of people are thinking well wait a second you said Churchill my childhood hero the guy with the cigar yeah well in the next thought that comes into their head he's saying is that, you're saying Churchill was the chief villain, therefore his enemies, you know, Adolf Hitler and so forth were the protagonists, right? They're the good guys. If you think he's a villain, that's not the case. That's not what I'm saying. You know, Germany, look, they put themselves into a position and Adolf Hitler is chiefly responsible for this, but his whole regime is responsible for it, that when they went into the East in 1941, they launched a war where they were completely unprepared to deal with the millions and millions of prisoners of war, of local political prisoners and so forth that they were going to have to handle.

They went in with no plan for that. And they just threw these people into camps and millions of people ended up dead there. You know, you have, you have like letters as early as July, August, 1941 from commandants of these makeshift camps that they're setting up for these millions of people who were surrendering or people that are rounding up. And they're, so it's two months after after a month or two after Barbara Rocha was launched and they're writing back to the high command in Berlin saying, we can't feed these people.

We don't have the food to feed these people. And one of them actually says, rather than wait for them all to slowly starve this winter, wouldn't it be more humane to just finish them off quickly now? And so this is like two months into the invasion, right? And like my view on this, you know, I argue with my Zionist interlocutors about this all the time with regard to the current war in Gaza. Look, man, like maybe you as the, you know, the Germans, you felt like you had to invade to the East. Maybe you thought that Stalin was such a threat or that if he launched a surprise

attack and seized the oil fields in Romania, that you would now not have the fuel to actually respond and you'd be crippled and all of Europe would be under threat and whatever it was, whatever it was, like maybe you thought you had to do that. But at the end of the day, you launched that war with no plan to care for the millions and millions of civilians and prisoners of war that were going to come under your control. And millions of people died because of that. Okay. So that is, I think the heart of the clip that is really,

uh, causing all the freak out. And I just, to be clear here, um, the reason why I wanted to play that is because Daryl actually goes out of his way when he prefaces prefacing the part about Churchill, when he's saying that he thinks Churchill was the great victim, or excuse me, the great villain of the war, um, to say that, you know, I might be being a little hyperbolic here, but here's the point that I'm making. And then of course,

what really drove people that was again, they're all saying he was pro Hitler, but he went out of his way to say, just because I'm saying he's the villain and I'm not saying he's the villain because he killed the most people or he was like the app actually had the most blood on his hands. He's saying that he was more responsible for the war happening than anybody else. And essentially the argument is that the war was avoidable and that, that, um, that Churchill pushed at every step for the war. Um, which also by the way is true. That is just true. But then he turns around and says,

well, no, I'm not defending the Nazis because no matter what the situation is, if millions of people come under your control and millions of them end up dying, that's on you. And even if you take the best, the most charitable interpretation and say that they had no choice but to invade Poland. They had to invade Poland or whatever. Um, and even if, even if you're, you're saying like, you know, as, as some of the more, uh, you know, Nazi sympathizer types will that like, Oh, they didn't mean to kill all these millions of people, you know, it was just the middle of a war and they had them in camps and they all ended up dying. Okay.

It's still on you because you still launched a war without a plan to ensure their safety and like their, the onus becomes on you. You're responsible for those people now. And essentially the point he was making, which I think he never actually got to, but that he was saying, like I feel the same way about Israel with Gaza, that it's like, you can't just launch a war and go, well, we got to get these Hamas guys. And we don't really have a plan for how to protect the hundreds of thousands of innocent women and children there. It's like, okay, well then that's on you.

You just murdered all those people and you can't do that. You can't get, you're not allowed to do that. Anyway, what, let me say it like this. Okay. Because I really do think that this is the most important way to view World War Two. When you're, when you're talking about these things, World War Two is despite what, um, what modern credentialized historians, uh, all of whom do not hold the fucking candle to Darrell Cooper. I mean,

they do not know half as much as he does. For people who don't know, I've been talking up Darrell Cooper everywhere I can. I promoted his Fear and Loathing in the New Jerusalem. I promoted every chance I get. It's just the most incredible thing. It's like a 30-hour six-part podcast series is essentially a book on tape about the history of The creation of Israel and it's just unbelievable. The guy is just a totally brilliant. So World War two is a

So World War II is, uh, in many ways it's remembered as like whatever the, the triumph of good over evil, uh, kind of, I think sometimes it's, it's almost like remembered as like what prevented the Holocaust as a historical as that is that it's like, it's like we saved the Jews or something like that, even though like that's not what happened. They were not saved. The Holocaust happened. That's kind of, you know, it should be the takeaway. Um, but it, it is just kind of the right this we'd all be speaking German if it wasn't for

this war, but if you could just kind of remove the stuff that you're already, you know, that we all grew up just knowing, like knowing to be the truth without ever having to like waste your time reading a book about it or anything. The world war two was objectively the worst thing that's ever happened in the history of the world. That's what it was. It was the, the biggest, uh, blood bath, the biggest mass slaughter campaign in human history. There's nothing comes close to it. The numbers just are,

they're, uh, they're impossible to comprehend, like to really comprehend them. And if you just start with that basic fact that this was the worst thing that ever happened. I think that will allow you to kind of, it kind of gives you permission to view things in a slightly different light because when you recognize that this was the worst thing that ever happened, then you also have to recognize that like, Oh,

so it's kind of a failure across the board. Like all the leadership is somewhat responsible for this. Because I mean, if the worst thing in the world happens, I suppose, theoretically, you could say the worst thing in the world just happened to us and we had absolutely no choice. But at the very least, it wasn't great leadership. If you let into the worst thing in the history of the world, and it kind of transfers the onus on you to say, okay, even if the other side is worse, in the worst thing, if the worst thing in the history of the world happens,

the onus is now on you to be like, was there any avoiding it? Was there ever a chance to not go down this path? What were the options here? So, okay, two, you know, like I would say a couple of things. First of all, I'm going to recommend two, I'm going to try to keep the recommendations short, um, just because it like I'll give you a place to start. But as I, I have many times, I really highly recommend,

if you're interested in this topic, read Pat Buchanan's book on it. It's called Churchill, Hitler and the unnecessary war. And the unnecessary war is a Winston Churchill quote. It's how he described the war after the war. Like he was looking back at it and going, man, okay, yeah, we really shouldn't have done that. That turned out to be a huge mistake. Because of course, Britain got totally like destroyed and they

lost the British Empire. It was a disaster for, for Britain. And the fact is if you go back and read, if you go read Pat Buchanan's book on it, you could just see, he makes a pretty compelling case that there were on during the lead up to the war, there was off ramp after off ramp after off ramp that lots of people could have gone off of. to the war, there was off ramp after off ramp after off ramp that lots of people could have gone off of. Like the war didn't have to happen. And it's just not true that it's exclusively the Germans fault that it did. Now you

can, there's a whole lot of blame to go around. And of course Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan make really good enemies when the victors are writing the history books to be like, well, look how evil they were, you know, in a similar sense, Saddam Hussein is a really good villain to be like, well, look how evil he was. And yeah, he was, he did a lot of evil shit. Still doesn't mean the war was justified. Still doesn't mean the war was inevitable. Now, the other thing that I would recommend that people check out is, there's a propaganda film from, I believe it was 1946 called Hitler lives,

which was American propaganda. It was written by Dr. Seuss. Okay. Is you know how like they used to have these old school propaganda videos because somehow like in our grandparents and great grandparents day, that was the type of thing that would move them, I guess. But so anyway, there's that. So it's immediately after the second world war and they're, they're giving you, it's great to go look at. You can find it on YouTube.

It's great to watch because it, it just, it's a window into what the propaganda was for the time, like what we want the American people to believe about this war that we just fought. And one of the things that's notable about it is that Jews are not mentioned. The Holocaust is not mentioned, but what is mentioned is the German race and how evil it's, it's a racialist attack against the Germans. And they're basically saying, look, these Germans tried to take over the whole world twice and we had to go to

world war to stop them both times. So you keep your eyes on these shifty Germans because you know, they're going to try to do it again. It's inevitable. That was the American propaganda immediately after the war, not like, Oh, we had to go liberate these Jews because Adolf Hitler is such a bigot or something like that. Like that didn't come up at all. And in fact, the bigotry was directed in the other direction against the genetic Germanic people or whatever. Uh, so anyway, just just think both of those are, uh, worth,

worth your time. Okay. So on top of the one, my, my first, uh, insight being that, uh, that world war two is the worst thing that ever happened in the history of the world. The other thing I would encourage people, um, to, to consider is that you're never, you can't understand world war two absent world war one. And that essentially the whole game is that world war two was a continuation of, of world war one, or if not a continuation,

an inevitable result or, or a direct result if not inevitable and world war one is just completely indefensible. One more, one more, uh, book, uh, that I'll recommend is a Wilson's war. That's a book on world war one. Um, but I think it's kind of necessary to understand that, to understand world war two. And so in world war one, by the way, not Charlie Wilson's war. I know there was a movie in a book by that name, just Wilson's war. Um, and so anyway, so Woodrow Wilson, who, uh, was elected in 1912, he,

he won his reelection campaign campaigning on the, he kept you out of war. That was the democratic slogan for him at the time. So he was bragging about how he had kept America out of the, out of world war one, but that didn't last for very long. And ultimately based off lies like the Lusitania, America got involved in world war one. Now America, or excuse me, the war in Europe was essentially in a stalemate. Okay. So there, you know, um,

like the English and the French had put a blockade around German. This was a, around Germany. This was a clear violation of like international norms at the time. Typically speaking, like you would, you know, you might try to starve an army, like you might not let food be shipped into like a military base, but you weren't gonna like starve the women and children of a nation. That was pretty wild, but they did that. And then as a response to that, the Germans, you know,

engaged in like submarine warfare, and then they had the most advanced submarines. And for a while Germany was winning the war, but then it like kind of just turned into a stalemate where essentially total victory was off the table for anyone. Um, however, late into the war, the Americans got involved and America at this point had, was not really known as a military superpower, but we were, um, an industrial power and we turned that industrial capacity into military

capacity and we came in, we were fresh. All, all the others were, um, were, you know, had been fighting in a war and their, their resources were very depleted, but then America came in and as, as is broken down in this book, by the way, I'm blanking on the name of the author. I, sorry, let me pull this up for you here now so I can actually have it. Jim Powell, Jim Powell, sorry. I used to be a lot smarter than I am.

Jim Powell. He was, so as he breaks down in this war, in his book, Wilson's war, um, the, essentially when America got involved in the war, the first thing they did was bribe the Russians to stay in the war because we were worried that they were getting, you know, like their, their forces were at the point of exhaustion. They were going to pull out of the war. So we brought, we were like, Hey, we'll send you, I remember boots were a huge

issue. Like they had like, they didn't have shoes for their, their military. And so we, we sent them a bunch of boots and a bunch of oil and a bunch of just other materials that you would need to keep them in the war. And so we kept the Russians in the war and a few months later Was the bolshevik revolution? So essentially lennon and stalin and trotsky these guys were able to overthrow the russian government Because the russian military was still involved overextended in this war and so the case made in this book Which I think is a pretty overwhelming case is that this is what led to the communist taking over in Russia.

And, and, you know, so if you could just think through all the implications of that, that like all the people who were killed by Lenin and Stalin, the entire cold war, the war in Korea, the war in Vietnam, this is all a result of America getting involved in world war one and bribing the Russians into staying involved in world War I and bribing the Russians into staying involved in World War I. So anyway, fast forward to the end of World War I is, you know, you guys know the answer. We want it.

And what ended up happening solely because of American involvement that never would have happened absent U S involvement is that they, uh, they won a total victory and they made, uh, Germany take full responsibility for the war. Now this even I think in like your public schools, you kind of learn that this was true. Like it is kind of, this part alone, I think isn't even that controversial. This is kind of just accepted wisdom.

Um, not that we maintained that wisdom, but the idea that the treatment of Germany after world war one was awful and and that it was awful, it was unfair, and then it led to the rise of the Nazis. I think this is pretty standard history and is at least very largely true like Germany Certainly had some responsibility For World War one, but the idea that they should take all of the responsibility

Made no sense whatsoever. And so not only, so they imposed the treaty of Versailles on Germany, which was designed to humiliate them internationally. And the treaty was just like, it was unbelievable. Like they, they had to take full responsibility for everything in the war. You know, interestingly, Wilson insisted that the, uh, the, the German military and like their, their right wingers weren't allowed to even sign the treaty because it was like

they don't even get a seat at the table, screw them. So they made a, essentially, you know, the, like the German Democrats have to sign the treaty of Versailles, who by the way, were disproportionately Jewish. Um, and that comes into being an interesting factor in this whole thing. And it was total bullshit. Like the military was done. The German military was not fighting anymore. They had lost the war. Um, but still they were never technically on the hook for the treaty in versailles

And it was these guys and that was something that hitler loved to to point out. Um So anyway, so The treaty of versailles is imposed on germany. They owe all of the war debt. They're 100 responsible I forget this i'd have to go back and check and you guys could go Uh, you can go look this up if you want to go back and check and you guys could go, uh, you can go look this up if you want to, but it's pretty wild. If you think, of course, Adolf Hitler later tears up the treaty of Versailles, but if the treaty of Versailles had stood,

I think it's the Germans would have been paying money. I think it might be into the 1990s. Maybe it was the 1980s, but it's something crazy like that. Like if they had enforced that treaty essentially Germany would have been paying forever Their grandchildren would have been paying for for World War one is something like insane like that And then there's all types of stories that you can go That you can go read about like when they couldn't make the payments How the French would just like comment cause they didn't have a military anymore either as they had to disband or a great,

it was greatly reduced if they had one at all. And like the French would just come in and just go down to like a coal mine and just take the coal. Like they were just like, just the national humiliation that is impossible for Americans in the year 2024 the national humiliation that is impossible for Americans in the year 2024 to understand. And we've had Joe Biden as president for four years, and we still cannot even begin to wrap our heads around something like that. All right, guys, let's take a moment and thank our wonderful sponsor for today's show, which of course is sheath underwear. And right now I have a chance for you to win a year's supply of the best pair of underwear you will ever own. Of course I'm talking about sheath.com sheath underwear, the only

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I will go on another tangent because I just find all this stuff really interesting. And again, this is not anything like the official history of world war two. It's just me talking about why I find this stuff interesting and why I think it's important to rethink some of these things. But anyway, you know, one of the questions, even if you just took like kind of the standard version of history of World War Two, it does seem like if you're just in,

if you're at all a critically, you know, an independent thinker in any sense, there are just some immediate questions that come to your mind. Like why, you know, okay, Adolf Hitler's a mad man. Start with that. He's a, um, you know, he's, he's a horrible person. And by the way, it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter how much you disclaim this. Like even in that clip we showed, uh, Darrell Cooper, he, he explicitly disclaims now, just because I'm criticizing Churchill doesn't mean that I love Hitler right just because I'm criticizing Dick Cheney

It doesn't mean that I love Saddam Hussein, but even when you do that, it doesn't matter I mean the the pap you canon book that I just recommended Churchill Hitler and the unnecessary war he says I can't remember if it was in the book or if it was in an interview I mean, he certainly says some of it in the unnecessary war. He says, I can't remember if it was in the book or if it was in an interview. I mean, he certainly says some of it in the book too, but I remember, I think it was a C span interview once where they asked him just point blank. They go, what was your opinion of Adolf Hitler? And the first thing he said was that Adolf Hitler was an evil satanic figure. was that, uh, Adolf Hitler was, uh,

an evil satanic figure and Pat Buchanan is like, you know, Pat Buchanan has got to be, I think in his nineties now, he's an older guy. Um, but so if you could imagine, this is a devout Catholic, really old school, square conservative. So when he says satanic, it's not in the way that like me or you like throw the word out there kind of lighthearted. I mean, he's like a devout Catholic saying, this guy was satanic. It's the strongest possible language with the deepest possible meaning to this

guy, meaning he came from the fucking devil, not from Jesus, you know, like that is like, or at least he maybe not came from the devil, but you get my point. And they still say he loved Hitler. Like it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter what you say, but he, even if Hitler, Hitler is this evil figure, it's like, okay, why was he put in power? Why were people following him? What was that about?

Doesn't that in itself just warrant some more understanding? And why is it that we wouldn't, why would we not want to understand the most important and most horrific chapter in human history? And, and, and couldn't you at the very least be like, yeah, we should be allowed to have conversations about this. We should be allowed to talk about this. That shouldn't be discouraged. You shouldn't be like labeled, you know, some horrible name because you think maybe there's a little bit more to the

history than the, than the textbooks teach us. Maybe perhaps I love when like a revisionist history is used as like a pejorative as if, Oh, you're a total revisionist because like the implication is that what, like the official narrative was 100% right. The halls of power just told the unabridged truth after the war. And then of course this is why I recommended the video Hitler lives because you realize this wasn't even the official truth at the time.

All of this is revisionist history, including the Holocaust having anything to do with why America entered the war. That's totally revisionist history. Um, that's not, that's just not true. Okay. One thing, and I'll give it a shout out to a history. Um, that's not, that's just not true. Okay. One thing and I'll give it a shout out to a Brett. Uh, I forget how to pronounce his last name. It was like Verat Verat or Verati, the old school sucks podcast. They were the ones who first, uh, uh, put me onto this. Um, they used to have this great viral video. I don't know. I'm sure it's still up somewhere, but it was like in the early days of YouTube,

this was one of like the great viral videos, um, that, uh, that, that they put out there on the school socks podcast. But just for anyone who doesn't know this, this is kind of a side. It's not real. I mean, it's kind of, it's, it's part of it, but it's one piece of the question of why the Germans fell in line with Adolf Hitler so much. And okay. So the, in the Prussian empire, which was the, uh, you know, it's, the Hitler was, was leading the third Reich.

So this is in the second Reich, which was the German empire that preceded the, you know, that preceded the Nazis. So the, the cultural and geographic precursor of the Nazis, like in this land 150 years earlier or something like that, they had this problem. They had a major problem, that went, it was very concerning to all the way up to the top of the Prussian empire. And the problem that they had was that, um,

the King would get into like these military disputes and he had a conscripted army of soldiers. And sometimes these soldiers would do these ridiculous things like run away. Like they would just be on a battlefield against an opposing army and they would like run or piss themselves and get killed, you know, and like there, if you could imagine, you know, you think of like in the late 1700s or the early 1800s or something

like that, there's nations are not as, you know, like glued together as they are today. And I know right now in 2024, they're kind of falling apart a little bit, but you know, still there is something where like, if we're, if we're going to fight a war in Iraq, let's say, it's just a given that we can do that. Like that the president of the United States can marshal the resources of the entire country to go invade another country. Forget the arguments

about whether we should do that or the war worked out or anything like that, but none of us question that that can be done. Like logisticallyistically the mechanisms for that exist. Forget whether you think lockdowns or the response to COVID was good or not. Obviously if you listen to this show, you know it wasn't, but we can do that and nobody really debates over whether we can or not. Like if the federal government, when there's the outbreak of COVID says, Hey, we want to have lockdowns and we want to have the um what's the uh, um, I apologize i'm blanking on but what was the uh,

the bill not the bill but the law that uh, donald trump evoked the um the the thing about you know that he could just direct all of the nation's uh product the productive capacities toward covet We could just say okay We're we're you know, we're making masks and ventilators and we're sending them to new york and la and like these hot spots We're going to have the federal reserve print up trillions of dollars. We're going to pass out checks for the people out of work We're going to have big bailouts for corporations Like the idea that you can just do all of it that you have the power to kind of control an entire nation is a Relatively new phenomenon. It was not so easy in the

1700s to do something like that and I think I think Darrell made a point like this on Tucker's show maybe it was something he said elsewhere, but We tend as like modern Americans, we tend to have this view of like a king. If you're thinking about a king in the 1600s or something like that, you think to yourself, Oh, well, this King had absolute power. I mean, that's what it is to be a King, right? Like our politicians don't have that type of power.

Our politician just has a four year term and he's got to work with Congress and that's got to be constitutional and the Supreme Court could strike it down or something like that But in your mind you're like a king just gives an order this goes dance for me And then you you know give me your wife and you give me your house and he could just do whatever he wants to That's like a caricature. That's not real the truth is that the power that our central government has is godly compared to the power that any of these monarchs had. It's just a fact. I mean, if you were in the 1700s, if you went to some remote village,

in their minds, they may not even be part of your society really. You know what I mean? Like they live independently and they've never even been to one of the cities. And they, it's just a totally different thing. I remember, uh, reading about this in a, in Scott Horton's phenomenal book on the war in Afghanistan, uh, fools errand where he was talking about this. And it's something that, I think I had heard about this before reading the book, but he kind of broke it down.

But one of the things that's just really interesting to the American mind, right? Is that as, so as we, uh, we're invading Afghanistan and our boys are going to like, you know, not even the most rural parts of Afghanistan, but some of them, some like somewhat rural places in Afghanistan. And one of the first things they'd have to do is explain to these people what had happened. And they had to like explain to them that like, okay, listen, there's some Arabs that are hiding out in, in Afghanistan.

And they attacked, and I think one of them had to say at one point, but they attacked a village known as New York city because the people in Afghanistan, or at least some of them, they not only did they not know nine 11 happened, not only did they not know that there were some Arabs hiding out in their country. They didn't know what New York City was You know like they didn't even know that the new world exists And that's something that's kind of hard for Americans to wrap their heads around. But anyway, okay. I'm digressing a lot here. So the Prussians were having this problem. Their, their army was just like abandoning orders

and they needed an army that would fight wars when the King told them to fight wars. And so they came up with an invention to solve this problem, which was largely successful. And the plan was to get them young, that you had to get them the kids of the society and brainwash them to be, um, obedient servants of the state. And they called this invention school and this was imported to America by Horace Mann the godfather of education he adopted the

Prussian model that's it you may have you may have asked yourself certain questions like why why does this word school and what why do words like kindergarten you know like that sounds awfully German you know like why why do we have these words okay but why is it that school the way school is designed is that you go in and the first thing you do is pledge allegiance to the flag of your nation that's an interesting start to the day. Anyone ever really think about why that is? Why is the whole training of school to sit in a,

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World War two, but as a libertarian and kind of a nerd about this stuff, I just find that to be so interesting I think that's like the craziest thing ever that we all like literally the geographic and uh, the geographic and Cultural precursors to the Nazis came up with a system to indoctrinate their children into blindly following the orders of the state and We have that system in our country explicitly Borrowed from them now Horace Mann had something he wrote about it where he was like Well, you know if the if the Prussians can use this model toward their Well, you know if the if the Prussians can use this model toward their

Aristocratic ends then surely we can use it to teach, you know good limited Republic something, you know So okay, he was saying we're using it for different sister. But still kind of a similar type thing. Okay. Oh One of the other major reasons why people followed Why people followed the Nazis and ultimately followed Adolf Hitler is that they were running explicitly against the treaty of Versailles being imposed on them. That, I mean, that's a huge component of it. Now if you go back and look at the history of it, the Nazi party, you know, the Nazis pretty remarkably quickly go from like Adolf Hitler giving, Nazis pretty remarkably quickly go from like Adolf Hitler giving,

you know, talks in bars to being in power. Um, it's a, it's a pretty quick trans pretty quick transition matter of a few years. I guess the Nazis come into power in the, the early thirties. Um, but if you go look at it, there was elections and I think it was again, double check me on, on the dates and details of this. Cause I'm, a lot of this is off memory of stuff I read years ago, but there's some, I think it's 1928. The Nazis get, the Nazi party gets totally humiliated in the elections. They just, they're, they don't put it together at all. The German people,

even with the treaty of Versailles imposed on them and all these things They're just not going for this Nazi stuff and it's not till after 1929 When they they end up like winning a lot of seats in the German elections and why was that? well, that was because the great depression and the great depression was not contained to the United States of America or to London. The great depression really hit Germany hard and what ended up happening was, okay, so let me rewind this a little bit here too. So Woodrow Wilson who got us into world war one before getting us into world war

one, he created the federal reserve or at least signed the Federal Reserve Act into law, which created a central bank. And the central bank started printing a ton of money. And part of that was to fund the war effort in World War I. And then there was all this money being printed. And as we know, what happens here, right? Okay There was a bubble the bubble is known as the roaring 20s and what happens with bubbles? They pop and the bubble popped in 29 and this is what started the Great Depression And so Woodrow Wilson who created the Federal Reserve and got us into World War one

And this is why truly why he's the worst president in the history of the united states of america He's not only responsible for the communists. He's also responsible for the nazis His actions led directly to that in 1929 the markets crashed It was the beginning of the great depression and all of these investors started calling their loans that they had given into germany So now not only does Germany have to pay for all of the war debt, which they can't afford, they now have to repay every loan that they've been given, which they can't afford. And so what did they do? They printed their way out of it. And this leads to the hyperinflation of the Weimar Republic. Um, this is the, the

like hyperinflation, real deal. I, you can read stories about how people were like, you know, and I don't know exactly like if every single one of these anecdotes is true, but there were wheel barrels full of cash. Like there are pictures of people wheel barreling around their cash. There's one story supposedly of a guy who, uh, cashed an annuity that he had been, you know, putting into his whole life and that he cashed his annuity and went next door and bought a cup of coffee with it. Now,

I don't know if that story exactly is actually true, but it was wheelbarrows full of cash levels. On top of that, there was also like what you could call in some ways, the precursor to like wokeism or something like that I don't know exactly how you want to describe it but the kind of cultural degeneracy of the Weimar Republic including a lot of very weird stuff about like like I think kind of the origin of a lot of the modern trans ideology stuff actually started in the Weimar Republic I think kind of the origin of a lot of the modern trans ideology stuff actually

started in the Weimar Republic which is kind of interesting and strange but there it's just kind of like this cultural decadence being promoted uh international humiliation then you throw in hyperinflation and then you had the rise of the Nazis. And of course, Adolf Hitler was able to say, well, look, we have this horrific communist threat over here to the east of us. And we have the bankers who have totally destroyed our economy. And then you got these people who the Germans themselves are not really German in his view,

who betrayed us and who signed onto the Weimar Republic, excuse me, and signed onto the Treaty of Versailles. And so, by the way, what did all three of those groups have in common? Well, they were disproportionately a lot of Jews involved in them. And so of course this just, it was just like worked perfectly into Adolf Hitler's narrative that it's like, look, and of course he had, he had the captive audience from the school system. So it was like, look,

you've been totally humiliated. You've been totally wrong, wronged. Your life has been destroyed. Your great national pride has been has been destroyed and look it's all these people's fault So this is how kind of like the thing started unfolding Anyway, the point that Pat Buchanan really harps on it in his book and this is essentially his argument And I'm saying I think this is I think this is right It's like I'm I'm persuaded by his argument here. His argument is basically that the, uh, the Holocaust. Well, okay. Let me actually start it from a little before that.

So his argument is that war guarantees are reckless. Um, war guarantees are reckless. War guarantees, uh, put a burden on societies where they, they make these promises that then has a tremendous moral hazard. Because the country that has a war guarantee now feels comfortable doing things that they wouldn't have otherwise done, um, that they're made recklessly, that they lead to wider wars, and that essentially England's war guarantee of Poland is what led to the second world war. And that the Holocaust happened in the war and that it was a war crime.

So his argument is that, look, Adolf Hitler was certainly, uh, hated Jews. He certainly blamed Jews for all of their problems. However, he didn't end up going genocidal. It's like that was ultimately a war crime. And he was like, if you didn't have the war guarantee with Poland, you wouldn't have had the war. And if you didn't have the war, you wouldn't have had the Holocaust. That's essentially his argument I I think it's a pretty compelling one now you may disagree with the argument, but really You got to admit there's an argument there and it's a legitimate argument to make so

after Munich and after Chamberlain is like humiliated One of the things that the major thing that Pat Buchanan is arguing, and I think Darrell Cooper would agree with him here, although I'll be, I'd be interested to ask him, but that the, the major catastrophe, the major blunder was that Chamberlain then gave a war guarantee to Poland.

Now Poland was in a dispute with Germany over Danzig and Danzig was, I think, you know, go again, go double check me on this. Like 90% German. It was like a German speaking town, um, that with a few hundred thousand people there. And it was a strategically important, the, you know, it's something like the port or something like that was strategically important, you know, like, uh, still to this day, that's a big deal. Um, I do think that, you know, city kids like myself, you know,

someone who grew up in New York city, uh, living in 2024, this can sometimes be lost on us how important like things like that are. But you know, this is like why New York city is New York city. It's like, cause of the Harbor, like that's why it became like such a like important city um, so anyway danzig was was hitler wanted this this uh city back and It had just to be clear here. It was stripped from them in the treaty of versailles

This was part of germany before that so it was like they lost this city Now, as Hitler's throwing out the treaty of Versailles and rebuilding the German military and rebuilding the German economy, he also wanted this, you know, strategically important port back. Now what he actually asked for was like a corridor or at least a partial corridor to Danzig. So he wanted like a train that would run there. So like that, you know what I mean? So that there was transportation between Germany and this city that used to be part of Germany. However you feel about it, whoever you think was right or wrong there, that's what the beef was over.

And Chamberlain hands a war guarantee to Poland and his own, his own finance, excuse me me his own foreign minister was furious about this couldn't believe he did it he was like cursing him out after it happens because he's like listen you just gave England's war powers over to a bunch of Polish kernels. Like now they get to decide if we're going to war. And so ultimately they because because the British Empire at the time who is you know still largely viewed as the toughest motherfuckers in the world. I mean you got to think this is before this in between World War one and World War two. It's not like America is the superpower in the world

The British Empire has been the superpower in the world now that changes in World War two But at that point that was still the truth. And so now the British Empire just made a war guarantee with Poland and so now Poland instead of feeling any type of pressure to negotiate with Hitler goes fuck you Hitler we're not giving you shit okay so now they get into a thing and then ultimately Hitler ends up invading and they had given Poland a war guarantee and so they followed through on that and went to war and the argument being made is that that was totally unnecessary that the idea that we would have a world war over whether this German city was

controlled by Germany or Poland made no sense. And just to just to add on top of that, which is the craziest part of all of it is that Poland didn't end up being protected. It's not as if like we fought that whole world war, but then Poland was liberated. But we the second world war gets fought. It's the worst catastrophe in the history of humanity. Tens of millions of people are killed. And then Poland is subjugated by Joseph Stalin until 1989.

That was the result of it. They lived under an equally evil, you know, a totalitarian leader who killed more people than Adolf Hitler. So anyway, the real point, I guess, of all of this, of this episode is that like, number one, I just find that I think this is a fascinating history. Um, number two, you know, if the worst thing that ever happened in the history of the world can't be

examined and we have to just blindly listen to whatever the propaganda is, then obviously that leads to some real problems. And I do think that the, um, the kind of the caricature that if you say any of the things that I've just said to you over the last hour, that the takeaway from that is that what somehow you think Adolf Hitler was a good guy, or somehow you think like the Holocaust was okay. That is just, I mean, that's just profoundly stupid. It's really, really stupid. And I don't care if there's some stupid people online whose takeaway really is that Adolf Hitler was great and the Holocaust was okay or the Holocaust never

happened or like whatever. Still, people who aren't that are allowed to have this conversation. We're allowed to talk about this. You know, World War II, you know, has like, I have family members who were very much involved in it. My grandfather on my mother's side was a Jew who escaped Nazi Germany and he was the only one in his family who made it over. And he came over and he enlisted and then went back and fought, um, in world war two. And then he was a, uh, a translator, um, after the, the war. Um, there's,

I don't lightly speak about world war two like i'm I have a profound respect For how terrible it was and particularly because of my family I have a profound respect for how terrible it was to be a jewish person who? lived in nazi-controlled territory, um, it was not a good place to be, man. And you know, one of the things that I think, you know, because of that, because it was so terrible, um, and, and for Jews under Nazi control, I think there is a, uh,

an impulse or a desire to make that the entirety of the story you know again not in 1947 when when uh, um, Dr. Seuss is writing the the script for hitler lives that wasn't the story then but decades later that became kind of like the Justification and almost that's what you're supposed to take away from the story But there's much more to it than that The Jews were not the only ones who suffered in World War two and I've said this for a long time I don't think that we should claim a monopoly on it You know, um, there were massive like

unfathomable human rights violations during the second world war on a scale of which the world has never seen before or since. Thank God. Um, it's not just, you know, the, um, it's not just the Holocaust. That's, that's a part of it, a particularly horrible part of it. Um, but again, Jews were not the only, uh, people who Adolf Hitler killed. Um, he was awful. I mean, uh, before he went after the Jews, he was going after, um, like the handicapped and like the mentally impaired.

Let's just think about how evil that is, right? To like go after the weakest amongst you in a society but not only that I mean there's also just like You know the there's also just atrocities committed by the Allies I mean like the the bombing campaigns in Germany where they just I mean Completely took the gloves off and just bombed cities, not city, and not like one or two bombs, like,

like just destroyed full cities full of women and children. Even when the military was out somewhere else, it's like all that was left behind by definition were non-militant, non-combatants because the military was somewhere else and there's just women and children, you know, and they just slaughtered them. The nuking of Japan, the firebombing of Tokyo. I mean like this is targeting of civilians. You want to get into Stalin's march through Europe that Joseph Stalin's army raped their way to Germany with explicit permission.

You know, just like horrible things. And then of course then of course which rarely comes up I know my my friend Candice Owens has taken a lot of heat for talking about this but it happened and so it's fair game is that ethnic Germans were ethnically cleansed by the millions after the war But after the war like if you were anywhere in Eastern Europe and you spoke german you were in trouble your life was in jeopardy many of them were were uh executed just for the crime of speaking german and like again I think as all of us could recognize right like The whole look when if you think about adolf hitler's treatment of the jews Oh, look, when, if you think about Adolf Hitler's treatment of the Jews and like,

whatever his gripe with the Jews was, like, you know, I, I mentioned some of them, you know, they were the ones who were the communists or they were the ones running the big banks or like they were the ones who didn't appreciate his art or something like that. Right. Nobody from our, like, even just from a normie perspective no one if you hear about Adolf Hitler's treatment of the Jews no one goes I wonder if those Jewish investors really did fuck him over on his art you know I mean maybe he was a really talented artist and he did get screwed over there it's like like do you

know whether that's the truth or not does anyone care does it matter at all of course it doesn't matter. The point is, who cares if they screwed you over or didn't? You don't get to just do that to other people who had nothing to do with it. You're going to just seize some Jewish guy's business and then lock him up and throw his whole family in a concentration camp and then ship them off to a death camp and that you can't do all that because some people who were Jews maybe did something bad to you. They're not allowed to do that. Right. Okay. Well,

that exact same moral understanding is why you're not allowed to just kill ethnic Germans after the war. You can't just do that to them because some other people who also spoke that same language supported the Nazis. Or even if they supported the Nazis, you're not allowed to just murder people for supporting a government. And if you could do that with every person on the planet is like fair game to be murdered just about. And so really, I mean the takeaway to me essentially is that this is,

but look, winners of wars write the history books and they're written for a reason. And the real story of world war two is not just all the people that died. That's obviously a very important part of it, but what came out of world war two, and this is why the story has developed over time. And it's not the same as it was in 1947 today, but what really happened was that the world changed and the new order was

established and the new order, including things like international law that didn't exist before things like the United Nations that didn't exist before. Then the whole point of the international law was at least, at least the stated point of the creation of international law was that you're not allowed to do that stuff anymore. And not just what Hitler did, but the way that the Americans and the way that the Russians fought the war, you're not allowed to do that stuff anymore. And at the very least I would say that if we ever want to break it, you know, because this is

like the origin story of the American empire and now we're living through the collapse of the American empire. And so it also does make story that this kind of founding myth also gets destroyed along with it. And I think that's a good thing. And then I think that, you know, I really, really hope people, uh, and I think now because he's just blown up so much from this Tucker appearance, I think people will check out Darrell Cooper's series on world war II. I'm not sure exactly when, uh, he's going to have that. He's going to have that

out, but I will tell you, man, his series on the early history of, of Israel Palestine conflict was just incredible. I guess technically it's not the Israel Palestine. It's like the Zionist Palestine conflict. Cause it the series ends with the creation of Israel. Um, his, his deep dives into Epstein was just like incredible. The dude is a legit like brilliant historian.

And I think that all of this stuff is really interesting and really important to actually understand. And yeah, the official narrative is just missing a lot. I mean, it's missing so much. I mean, look, just on the on the most...