Part Of The Problem - Zelenskyy's Strategic Blunder

Episode Date: March 4, 2025

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What's up? What's up everybody? Welcome to a brand new episode of Part of the Problem. I am Dave Smith. He is Robbie the Fire, Bernstein, and man, we got a good one to break down today. How are you, Rob? You know, Friday was one of the most exciting media days. We do this all the time. We're commenting on things all the time and it's always exciting. But very rarely do you get a WWF showdown like what we saw in the White House. And I did an episode about it yesterday. I'm excited to get into it with you now.

And we've got fun stuff to get into. I mean, it is. Yeah, you really can't kind of overstate how wild it is. Let me just real quick before we get into this, because there's a lot to talk about, couple orders of business. I should mention that me and Rob will be in Buffalo, New York on the 6th and the 7th,

and then one night only in St. Catharines, Ontario, on March 8th. And then coming up a couple of weeks after that, we were back at law, uh, left Boston in the great city of Boston, Massachusetts, very much looking forward to all of that comic, Dave Smith.com for all of those ticket links. And of course, I will be returning to the Soho forum to, uh, to debate, um, Alex Norwash on immigration,

thesohoforum.org for those tickets. If you want to come, it'll be a live debate in New York city. Looking forward to that very much. Okay. So yeah, that was this, it was a pretty incredible moment. And you just like, like you said,

we do not see things like that ever. I would, there's so many different angles here to kind of break all of this down, but I guess I would have to say the starting point is that that has got to be the biggest political strategic blunder by Zalinsky that I've ever seen. I've just never seen anything like that. And I don't, you know, I'm not gonna get into like too much psychoanalysis. I like to try to stay away from that stuff. I don't know Zelinsky personally.

I don't know who was in his ear or why he thought that would be a good move. Perhaps it comes from being on the cover of Time and Vogue and just everybody kissing your ass and being treated as this hero internationally for the last three years. Perhaps there were other American politicians who were in his ear encouraging him to do this.

But the idea that he would that his move when he is completely dependent on Donald Trump to the point that his life might be on the line. Um, but certainly his nation is. And when you're completely dependent on Donald Trump for your move to be, I'm going to try to app to alpha Donald Trump on national television in a language. I don't really speak very well as It has got to just be, I mean, I've never seen anyone go into anything with a worst game plan on anything. I mean, everybody knows, no matter who it is,

that is the one way you cannot come at Donald Trump. And he attempted it, it went exactly as you would have predicted. And it really does seem like this was a, like a huge fork in the road where things just went in a different direction. I will say overall, I think it's great. And I think it's better for the prospects for peace that Donald Trump is like, screw this guy. But I just, I kind of can't get over like, what was Zelensky thinking? Well, I think that's the genius of Donald Trump is that he knows television and I think they did not actually have a deal going in I know that they're claiming that they did but I saw Zelensky saying last week

It was more of a preliminary discussion and it seemed like they were assumptively closing him of isn't this great? We got the television cameras here and we're ready to get the deal done. The Trump team is claiming that it was a done deal and they wouldn't have brought him in without that. But I'd seen comments from Zelensky beforehand that sounded like classic sales. Hey, I gotta speak to my wife. I gotta talk to my business partner.

Didn't seem like Zelensky thought it was a done deal. No, I agree with you on that. Was intending at least to come in and make a last pitch for let's fight him or I need a security guarantee. And so they sat him down to go, all right, we're here for the signing. Let's take some questions. And I think Zelensky probably has been a difficult partner

and they knew exactly how he would behave. And Donald Trump is a genius for putting it on television. And Zelensky, I was comparing him him he's got childhood star energy because they brought him out on the Oscars they did the cover with him apparently the Senate the Democrat senators sat down beforehand to blow a bunch of smoke up his ass and tell him how great he was and then he showed up for the Donald Trump meeting and it was it was you know then JD Vance was there playing mom go how dare you speak to your dad this way?

And I don't think he could have done anything worse to get more of the American public to go, let's just be done with this country. Yep. Yeah. No, I agree with that. And I will say, because this seems to be now where the divide is on how, and we're going to play the clip in a second and kind of go through it.

Cause there's some interesting, just like kind of analyzing what's actually being said and argued over. But I just, I know there are people who do not like Donald Trump and no matter what he does, they are going to oppose what Donald Trump just did. I think, you know, whatever my own bias opinion, I think me and you have been pretty good about like, praising Donald Trump when he does good, criticizing Donald Trump when he does bad. I think it's like, it's been a unique challenge in the Trump years, where it feels at times,

like about 90% of people are either going to love everything Donald Trump does or hate everything Donald Trump does. And it seems very hard for the people who love Donald Trump to ever admit when he's doing something wrong. And for the people who hate Donald Trump, it's like impossible for them to ever admit he did something right. But I will just say, and obviously I'm, you know, I'm not exactly neutral on this topic. I've been talking about this war for years now on some big platforms. And so I have a view going in, but I just could not believe that Zelinsky would try. I found him to be totally disrespectful. And it was like to an appalling level. Then I'm, listen, I'm never somebody who like, first of all, I'm not a suit and tie guy.

I don't know, Robin, all of the years that we've known each other, if you've ever seen me in a suit and tie, the, the, the, I, I put on not even a suit, but I put on a, a, a button down and a tie. When I was at, at the Reno convention, when I was speaking and then introducing Ron Paul Because I just felt like okay, that's I got to put on a tie. I'm introducing Ron Paul here and Then like when I've gone to weddings, I'll put on a suit for weddings That's about the only time you'll ever catch me in a suit and tie. Um, I was invited to meet This is me dressing down for work But if I was invited to meet. This is me dressing down for work.

Well, if I was invited to go meet the president in the Oval Office, I would put on a suit and a tie because that just seems like the most, and then I will say this too, man. And again, I'm really not, as you know, Rob, like I'm not some conservative in this sense. Like I don't really care about, like, you know, like conservatives used to freak out about Obama because like he had

his tie loosened in the Oval Office and like this is disrespectful. I've never been that guy. But I do I will tell you that when when I mean, he said this publicly on the podcast, but when Rogan said on the last podcast that we we got to do a podcast with Trump and me, and and he we floated out the idea privately a few times. I never, it was never like, Oh, this is definitely going to happen. But it was always like, Oh, that would be awfully cool if that ended up working out. But there is,

I mean, a 0% chance that I would ever refer to him as Donald. If we were in that, you know what I mean? Like if I was podcasting with Donald, Trump, I would never be like, and Donald, you know, that, like that would be crazy to that, you know what I mean? Like if I was podcasting with Donald Trump, I would never be like, and Donald, you know that, like that would be crazy to, you know what I mean? Like I would call him Mr. President because that's just like, that's the most basic level of respect that that is expected, I think reasonably. And so for, first of all,

for Zelensky to show up in that outfit and then repeatedly refer to the vice president as jd as he's arguing with him in the oval office i did find is like i thought that was like a blatant like challenge and and and like just a show of disrespect that was but then on top of that it's like look you do just have to understand. And I'll say this. I don't, and we'll play the clip in a second, but I do not completely agree with the narrative that JD Vance and Donald Trump were, were spinning. I definitely do not agree with the narrative that Zelensky was spinning. But the fact of the matter is, is that when you have, um, the president of Ukraine and the president of the United States and the vice president of the United States and the secretary of state of the United States

in the oval office with TV cameras on you, that event is by definition political. This is a political event and whatever narrative it is that Donald Trump and JD Vance want to present This is not when you are our fat welfare mom Relying on our money and weapons for your fight. You don't get to come in there And just start like going like no no, actually your narrative is all wrong And let me tell you what the real narrative is over here

I mean on top of that his narrative was more bullshit than theirs was. But the idea that you think it would be on the level of like, if he came in to like Joe, cause you know, essentially what JD Vance and Donald Trump were saying here was like, JD Vance was saying like, you know, the Biden administration didn't even try diplomacy. They just tried to be strong. We're actually coming in with diplomacy. We're going to solve this problem. Now, okay, that may not be like 100% accurate. There's some, there's a lot of truth to it, but what, but that's the narrative

that they're spinning. They're a new administration. They got record high approval ratings for Donald Trump. The old administration is very unpopular and they're trying to sell it like this and you don't get in the middle of that to just cut it off and go, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah. That's not the narrative at all. This is a failure of Obama, Trump won Biden and now, and it's like, no dude, you don't get to do that. I'm sorry. You're not. And, and Donald Trump's right when he says you don't have the cards. You're not in a position to be able to do this. I mean, like,

it would be like, if I was like, if I, everything fell apart for me and I'm just sleeping on your couch, Rob. And I'm literally like, I'm broke and I'm just borrowing money from you to eat. And you're giving me a place to sleep. And then like I go with you to your parents' house or something like that. And I just start talking about what the problem with Rob is. It's like, you'd just be like, what dude? No, like you're not in a position to do this right now. And so I did think it was,

I thought it was like wildly disrespectful and just stupid from Zelinsky. And I mean, unfortunately for him, you know, JD Vance and Donald Trump are, they're a mean combo, dude. Like these guys are good at what they do. And even if you don't think they're good at governing, they're a mean combo, dude. Like these guys are good at what they do. And even if you don't think they're good at governing, they're really good at that. Whatever that is, you know,

which is something that I kind of like have respect and I feel like some understanding of like the battle of in front of cameras arguing about stuff. Man, they are formidable at that. And then again, to be in a language that you don't even really speak. So now you're just messing everything up. I don't know.

It was just wild. I do want to play the clip. Anything else you want to add before we play a clip from this altercation? We want some clips. Okay. Let's go to the clip now. Again, this is the shortened version of it

just because it's a little bit too long to play like the whole thing. But let's start getting into a little bit of this and picking it apart. You have the full one. Let's, well, what are we, how long is the full one, Natalie? All right, let's start playing it. Okay, sounds good. the You bring them on a propaganda tour, Mr. President. Do you disagree that you've had problems bringing people into your military?

And do you think that it's respectful to come to the Oval Office of the United States of America and attack the administration that is trying to prevent the destruction of your country? A lot of questions. Let's start from the beginning. First of all, during the war, everybody has problems. Even you, but you have nice ocean and

don't feel now but you will feel it in the future. God bless you. Let's pause it right here. Just to be clear this moment this was yes this was after there the you know it's fine this is actually a good place to play it from well it starts with Zelensky giving a long lecture to JD Vance, which JD responded like this, but this is the moment. And I will say, man, one thing about Donald Trump, again, whatever, however you feel about Donald Trump in any other environment, this is his true talent. I mean,

this is just when the cameras are on and it comes to who's going to be the biggest alpha in the room and who's going to like sell himself that there is just no one on Donald Trump's level. And so he sits there and he does it just right. He lets his pit bull argue with this guy for a while. And then he's sitting there the whole time. You can tell. And I remember watching that. Like I watched this as it was happening and you just know you're like, oh, like this ends with Donald Trump being the dominant one in the room. He's sitting there letting them fight and picking his spot. And that was the spot he picked because for Zelinsky to come over here and start saying this utter like, first of all, you know, there's something so condescending

about, you know, we all have problems. You have your big oceans and that's nice. And it's like, dude. And then, but then for him to say, which essentially, by all have problems, you have your big oceans and that's nice. And it's like, dude. And then, but then for him to say, which essentially, by the way, what he's saying in kind of broken English has essentially been the, the war cry from the very beginning about this, just like all these wars always have their bullshit propaganda is that if we don't stop Vladimir Putin now, you're going to feel it too, and you're going to bet.

But what he's essentially saying here is what, that Donald Trump, your plan right now is going to end in disaster for America. You're going to be feeling this soon. And that's, first of all, I'm sorry, this is just fucking ridiculous. You know, I was just on, I was just on with a Pierce Morgan show before we started recording too, and arguing with a couple of these dummies and they always, it's like the same thing every goddamn time, every war. I just, I'm old enough. I've lived through so much of these now. It's always,

if you don't fight this war, then this disaster comes, you know, like if we don't fight the war in Iraq, then he's going to hand the weapons that he doesn't have off to the terrorists that he hates. It's just fucking ridiculous, but that's how they sold it. And this one has always been that then he's going to invade Poland and then he's going to take on NATO countries and then America's going to have to be in a direct war with Putin. But just none of it logically follows. There's no reason to think that if Vladimir Zelensky loses control of Luhansk, therefore America will feel pain?

Like what? I'm not saying it's impossible, but why would we take that as a given? That makes no sense at all. And again, the argument of being like, it is literally like, Rob, if you don't buy my groceries and give me a place to live, then you're going to feel a lot of pain is just not a compelling

argument for why we should give somebody welfare. I thought it was crazy that he said that. And then you could tell as soon as he said that you were like, oh, you just activated Trump. You're in trouble now. All right. So yeah, let's play. Let's play Donald Trump's response. Oh, now. Um, all right. So yeah, let's play, uh, let's play Donald Trump's response.

Oh, sorry. Go ahead, Rob. Is Alinsky sitting there and he's trying to play the card of, Hey, I'm doing you the favor here and he clearly isn't. And that's where Trump finally steps in to go. How dare you? We are completely fine. We do not need you.

We will be okay. And, uh, speaking to your other point of if we don't stop Putin there, he's going to go take over the world. That is going to age about as well as the domino theory in Vietnam. And for everybody who is claiming, oh, we are going to end up in a war with Putin. I mean, I really just have two questions that no one has yet to articulate. One is, what is the pathway to victory of giving more arms to Ukraine? What exactly, because we're bleeding ourselves dry

and spending money too. So it's not like we provoked a war between an enemy and some random people and they're both gonna fight each other and that's how we corrode the empire. We're not doing that because we're involved here and we're spending our money. So what is the pathway to victory? And then if it becomes that we're trying to escalate it,

how do you have a war with Russia that doesn't end up a nuclear war? So I don't even understand for the people that want to remain in this war and they don't want to acknowledge how many people have died for absolutely no reason and that Putin is just slowly taking territory and if anything your entire agenda was to show people how mighty America is and that you can add the sanctity of borders, you've provoked the opposite where now you've showcased oh no you can get the sanctity of borders, you've provoked the opposite where now you've showcased, oh no, you can get away with land grabs and actually walk away with some goodies that might have been, that might pay off the war debts because there's

trillions of dollars worth of rare minerals there. So and we're coming to a point now where it does actually feel like the most insane claim I heard that was opposing this war was that it would be the end of NATO. And I got to say, if after Zlinski showed up here and he was this disrespectful and then he goes cries to Europe and Europe goes, we're going to back you, I don't know why we wouldn't turn around and go, fine, you guys are on your own and we're getting out of this NATO thing. So I put for everyone that is still backing this talking point of, and now they're trying to sell the, well, you see Donald Trump's been working for Russia

the whole time, which I knew they Would go with that nonsense, but can anyone articulate a pathway to victory of why spending a single? Extra dollar for more Ukrainians to die makes any sense Yeah, oh, that's no nobody can no I was on with a general on Piers Morgan today I they've nothing they have no like and and again and all do this thing, which it just like reminds me of the, um, the, during the, the vaccine passport debate over the, uh, the COVID jab. I don't know. I, people give me shit for calling it a vaccine. I understand. Uh, but, um,

like, and they would be like, well, we can't have the unvaccinated in the same room as the vaccinated because then that's a risk to the vaccinated. And you'd be like, wait, we can't have the unvaccinated in the same room as the vaccinated because then that's a risk to the vaccinated. And you'd be like, wait, I'm sorry. This logic just falls apart right on its own. If the vaccine is so effective that we need to force people to get it, then shouldn't the vaccinated people in the restaurant be safe from the unvaccinated people coming in, sitting in the restaurant. But it's like the same thing with this war. And this has been true the whole time where they're like, we're winning. We're beating Vladimir Putin.

Look, he's so weak. Also he's a threat to take over all of Europe. You're like, well, which one is it? Which one is it? Is he the guy who's so weak that he can't take Ukraine or is he the guy who's going to take Poland next? Which one? There can't be both of those. It's got to be one or the other. And then he's such an evil madman that he doesn't care. He wasn't provoked. He did it just for nothing, but he'll never use nukes.

We don't have to be worried about the threat of nuclear war. It's just all of this makes no sense. It's been true from the beginning of this war. All right, guys, let's take a moment and thank our sponsor for today's show, which is ProtonVPN. Proton created ProtonVPN to further protect the journalists, activists, and everyday citizens who use ProtonMail. ProtonVPN breaks down the barriers of internet censorship, allowing you to access restricted online content. ProtonSecureVPN sends your internet traffic through an encrypted VPN tunnel to keep your browsing data safe even over public or untrusted internet connections. And as a Swiss VPN provider, Proton does not log user data or share data with third parties. Their anonymous

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let's play Donald Trump's response to Zelensky. We're trying to solve a problem. Don't tell us what we're going to feel. I'm not telling you. I'm not saying that. You're in no position to dictate that. Remember that you're in no position to dictate what we're going to feel. We're going to feel very good.

We're going to feel very good and very strong. You're right now not in a very good position. You've allowed yourself to be in a very good position. You've allowed yourself to be in a very bad position and he happens to be right about it. You're not in a good position. You don't have the cards right now. With us you start having cards. Right now you're playing cards. You're gambling with the lives of millions of people. You're gambling with World War III. You're gambling with World War III. And what you're doing is very disrespectful

to the country, this country, that's backed you far more than a lot of people said they should have. Have you said thank you once, this entire meeting? No, in this entire meeting, have you said thank you? You went to Pennsylvania and campaigned for the opposition in October, offer some words of appreciation for the United States of America and the president who's trying to save your country.

Please, you're saying that if you will speak very loudly about the war, you can speak loudly. He's not speaking loudly. Your country is in big trouble. No, no, you've done a lot of talking. Your country is in big trouble. Can I answer? Wait a minute. No, no. You've done a lot of talking. Your country is in big trouble.

I know. You're not winning. I know. You're not winning this. You have a damn good chance of coming out okay because of us. Mr. President, we are staying in our country, staying strong from the very beginning of the war. We've been alone and we are thankful.

I said thanks in this cabinet. You haven't been alone. You haven't been alone. We gave you through the stupid president, $350 billion. You voted for your brother. We gave you military equipment. You voted for your brother.

And your men are brave, but they had to use our military. What about West Virginia? If you didn't have our military equipment. You invited me to speak. If you didn't have our military equipment, this war would have been over in two weeks. In three days.

I heard it from Putin. In three days. This is something new. Maybe less. In two weeks. In three days, I heard it from Putin. In three days. This is something new. Maybe less. In two weeks, of course, yes. It's going to be a very hard thing to do business like this. I tell you. To say thank you.

I said a lot of times. Except that there are disagreements, and let's go litigate those disagreements rather than trying to fight it out in the American media when you're wrong. We know that you're wrong. But you see, I think it's good for the American people to see what's going on. I understand. I think it's very important.

That's why I kept this going so long. You have to be thankful. You don't have the cards. I'm thankful. You're buried there. You're... People are dying. I can tell you.

You're running low on soldiers. Listen. You're running low on soldiers. It would be a damn good thing. And then you tell us, I don't want to ceasefire. I don't want to ceasefire. I want to go and I wanted this. Look, if you could get a ceasefire right now,

I tell you, you take it so the bullets stop flying and your men stop getting killed. Of course we want to stop the war. But you're saying you don't want to ceasefire. But I said to you, I want to ceasefire. With guarantees. Because you'll get a ceasefire faster than an agreement. Ask our people about ceasefire. What they think. That wasn't with me. That wasn't with me. That was with a guy named Biden who was not a

smart person. That's enough of this clip. So there's just so much to break down here. And I mean, look, this is part of the thing too, is like, you're like, dude, I mean, to go at Trump in this manner, he's interrupting every sentence. Like, I'm sorry, dude, but there is just a scenario where like, what Trump says, you don't have the cards. He's right, you do not have the cards.

You're not in a position to be able to be trying to interrupt Donald Trump and show him up you got to be gracious here like you're just not I don't know you're not in a situation to do this and for him to be uh um like making these arguments that he they were at it alone and that you know like it's just it's bonkers the, this makes no sense. He's even arguing with him where Donald Trump says the last stupid president and he goes, you voted for him. Like what are you doing here, dude? The Europe, first of all, Donald Trump didn't vote for him.

Second of all, I don't know how much you keep up Zelensky. Donald Trump is not exactly a big believer in what happened in 2020 in terms of the election. But regardless of any of that, what are you trying to do? Like win the moment here? What's the, what's the best case scenario you dunk on this guy and then like what, then he's going to want to help you because you embarrassed him. Just crazy. It was just like crazy.

Like, I don't know, dude, like I said, on Twitter, cocaine is a hell of a drug. I don't know what the hell this guy was thinking but man it's the thing is that it kind of does work out great ultimately we can get into that but I don't know Rob any any other thoughts on this this interaction here? It's even better on a second watch and Zelinski's I mean this is literally me when I got caught in high school spending my parents money on marijuana and you got to sit down with them and they're giving you and there's nothing you can say but you just got teenage energy and you'll say whatever. And that's what he's doing. He's just sitting there. He's been

called into the principal's office. He's trying to spin whatever he can. And Donald Trump's just too good that even his little comedic trick of, you don't have to yell at me. He's not, he's not yelling. That's not loud. I'll show you loud. I mean, Donald Trump just jumped right on that. He didn't give him an inch and I, I mean, but Rob, just to the point, cause I think that's a great analogy and that's exactly, but I'm saying like little things, even when, look, you're not here for a confrontation. You're here to beg for more help. And in that situation, even if, if you don't like it and you're losing and JD Vance goes, have you even said thank you like one time your response can't be, I said it lots of times. Like, what are you doing here? You're trying to battle.

You're trying to win. The response to that should be, it should be, you know, something like I have said thank you many times, but if that has not been clear then sincerely to you, Mr. Vice President, and to you, Mr. President, thank you for what you know what I'm saying like you, your goal here is to win them back over not battle them at every single turn. It's just crazy. But yes, and I'm sorry, I guess if you break it down, what he's trying to negotiate for is more of a commitment from us for what we can't do. We can't have Ukraine and NATO. That's what started this mess was Biden's stupidity of saying Ukraine's gonna be a NATO.

So that's not on the table. And it's true. There could probably be a ceasefire tomorrow and Zelensky's in the way because he wants some sort of a security guarantee from the US or a commitment for more money. But what cards does he have to negotiate that? If we're saying no, so yes,

Zelensky's literally sitting there and getting in the way of peace. And that's what Donald Trump's calling him out for is that we could have a ceasefire. And he goes, well, it's a ceasefire without you guaranteeing me more free stuff. You're not in a place to ask for more free stuff. We're offering you a way out here.

We can discuss a way to get this done. And by the way, you know, I was giving Trump a hard time last week over the mineral deals. It actually, there's a problem at the moment that things are kind of half reported. But from what I'm understanding, it would seem like it was a fair deal of that we were just guaranteeing a right to buy the minerals, and then 50% of that country was going to remain in US control to be reinvested in Ukraine,

to essentially, it seems like just guarantee that the money wasn't just stolen and we have to spend more money over there. So that they would actually be built in funding for security or other purposes controlled by the US that isn't actually, well, it's actually our money, but it's our money being spent for minerals, as opposed to handing to them to be lost. But just the point being, Zelensky does seem to be showing up trying to figure out how to provoke and remain in this war and force either us or Europe to be paying for it. And, you know, throw them out. End the relationship. And if you're... I said it's like the scene in

Casino when Sharon Stone goes and sucks Joe Pesci's dick. And then Joe Pesci turns around and goes, man, that was a mistake. I never should have gotten, I never should have gotten involved with this crazy broad. And I think that's what Europe's about to discover. Yeah, hopefully, hopefully you're right. I mean, it is like, this is like, again, I think what so much of the corporate media and the people who hate Donald Trump are almost overlooking here, but it's like, again, you're in no, right? Like you said, you're just asking for more free stuff.

And what is it you don't like? He goes like, well, I'd like a ceasefire, but we can't do ceasefire without security guarantees. And ask the Ukrainian people, they want security guarantees. And you're like, who cares? Who fucking, of course they do. All people want a security guarantee.

I don't know, but none of us actually have one. Like this is, it's all like, um, you know, I was arguing on, on Pierce Morgan show today with the general about this, where it's like, well, we can't end the war, uh, because how do we know Putin won't start the war again? Then you're back in place. What? Yeah, right. Like that is not just logically, that doesn't follow. It's like, well, then I guess there's never a justification for ever ending a war ever. Cause Hey, who knows? We could be back at war,

but if the worst case scenario is we're back where we are now, that's not a good reason to stay where we are now. So, but also like, you know, like when you really, like, what is a security guarantee exactly? Like what does that mean? I mean, like when you really, like what is a security guarantee exactly? Like what does that mean? I mean, like a security guarantee, all that that really means is that we're willing to fight. That we're, you know what I mean? Like we're willing, you know, if I,

if I like, I do my best to guarantee the safety of my wife and kids, but that just means that if there's a threat, I will do everything in my power to fight it. And that doesn't mean I'll win. There's no guarantee might be more force than I can defensively muster up. So then shit, you know, I mean like, and so for, for him to say that you're, you're demanding a security guarantee, well what exactly do you mean by that? That we, I mean, look, we could,

I I'm pretty sure we could mean, look, we could, I'm pretty sure we could guarantee Ukrainian security, not guarantee, but like we could, if we send in the 82nd Airborne, we could repel the Russians out of Ukraine. We are not willing to do that. And that's the truth. How do you know that that doesn't escalate to a war with Russia? Well, that's why we won't do it right Yes, have a direct confrontation of sending an hour military into Ukraine to be on the border with Russia

Yeah, it's not being strikes on America and and you know, there's a funny thing here because I wanted to make this point on Piers Morgan Today, I didn't get a chance to do it. But there's a funny thing here where nobody is taking that position chance to do it. But there's a funny thing here where nobody is taking that position. Nobody is saying, oh, we could just do this. We could go in. Nobody is actually willing to look at the American people and say, you have to send your sons over to fight and die in a direct, a direct war with the biggest nuclear superpower in the history of the world to protect the Donbass region. You know, like that like, I'm sorry, we do not want to do that. And after getting hundreds of billions of dollars, you're going to sit here and demand essentially not demand that right now, but demand the threat of that

demand that we, which is the only way that America can effectively give a security guarantee is to say, we'll go to war. We'll go to war over this. What else are we doing? Saying, hey, we really don't want you to do that. That's what we did. That was what we did for Ukraine already. Through the whole lead up to the war in Ukraine, and I like to bring this up a lot because

I think it's pretty relevant. And you know, look, again, I know, I'm probably guilty of patting myself on the back a little bit too much. But I don't know, me and you, Rob, we're just right about all the most important issues. And so I can't help but point this out. I've been now for the entirety of the war. I have been one of the guys on the biggest platforms talking about the history of it, the conflict, what led to it, all of this stuff. And we were all like, and I'm not even close to like the, the best, um, you know, there's, uh,

John Mearsheimer and Jeffrey Sachs and Scott Horton. And there's a lot of great guys who have been kind of talking about this from before the invasion in 22, but Stoltenberg, the, the chancellor of NATO, he said that in late 2021 Vladimir Putin sent a, he actually put a treaty, he drafted a treaty and sent it to NATO and said straight up, I will not invade Ukraine if you just put in writing that you

guarantee you won't bring Ukraine into NATO and like that's the deal that was on the table Ukraine would have kept everything no invasion hundreds and hundreds of thousands of people's lives would have been saved they would have had to give up Crimea and they would have kept everything else and all we would have had to do was say, we're not going to bring Ukraine into NATO, which by the way, we're still not going to end up doing, except now the deal is so much worse now for Ukraine. The deal is going to be giving away probably 20% of your country, maybe more.

We'll see 20% if Russia will allow you to do that. Crimea gone forever. Um, and you're still not getting any security guarantees. 20% if Russia will allow you to do that Crimea gone forever and You're still not getting any security guarantees. And so Where's the linsky to be demanding this? Anyway, my point is just like once again if you had listened to all the anti-war voices that just objectively We were right. These guys were wrong and all of their bullshit war propaganda about how Ukraine can win. I mean, do you even remember Rob?

It wouldn't Vladimir Putin first invaded in 22 the talking point that Joe Biden repeated over and over again Was that we could defeat them with sanctions? That we wouldn't even need to send weapons that we could defeat Russia with sanctions this is what they just over and anyway, they kept the whole war going this entire time. And so whatever, it's been a complete disaster. But one of the good things about this, as you kind of said just now, Rob, that you're like, the answer is dump this guy. And this is one of the things where I think that like Donald Trump, as is typical with

him, even when he is instinctually correct, like when his gut essentially leads him in the right direction, he's not philosophically correct. And he's not well read. And so even when his gut is like, kind of right, his instincts are correct. But because he's he doesn't have like a, a solid, like theory around the whole thing. And because he, he doesn't have like a deep understanding of the issue, he can be pulled in bad directions.

And so Donald Trump will look at say, like, just like the terror wars. And he'll be like, wait a minute. So you're telling me we occupied Afghanistan for 20 years. We occupied Iraq for 20 years. We spent $8 trillion and we got nothing to show for it. You know? And like, he'll just be like, that's bad business. Then you're like, okay, that is correct. You got it right. Now he doesn't have like this theory to go with it. You know what I'm saying? He doesn't have like a theory of like, what is a just war?

What is a war of choice versus a war of necessity? What is a war of aggression? What is a constitutional war? What you know, like that's not how donald trump's mind works. It's just business, right? This is bad business. This is a stupid decision and so And on top of that, it's not like he really has a deep understanding of the issue. Like he doesn't really understand that. Like, oh, the neoconservatives and the Likudniks had this plan to topple all of these regimes and then they use 9-11. They use the terrorists that they pissed off into attacking us as the, you know, like that's not where Donald Trump's mind is.

But the problem with that, look, it's still better than anything we've had from a president in my lifetime by far. But the problem is that when it's instinctual and it's not married to like philosophy and knowledge, then if Donald Trump's like, oh, this is stupid. We shouldn't even be in Syria. You know, why are we even fighting this war? They go like, well, what if we took the oil? And he goes, hmm, all right.

Now that's slightly better business. You know what I mean? Like Donald Trump's very, it's easy for him to get sucked into things like that. And so I think in this case, Donald Trump was kind of presenting to Zelensky like, look, do this mineral deal in Donald Trump's mind. He goes, now we get something out of it. This isn't like bad business anymore. Now it's just a business deal where there's some benefit to us.

And also now like since we're in business with you, doesn't that kind of give you a little bit of a security guarantee? You know, because what Putin's messing with you now he's messing with us. But the truth is that that's just all a bad idea. Like the whole point is that we don't want to put ourselves in that position. Why would we want to put ourselves in that position? Why would we ever want to say we will inherit all of your problems? It just doesn't make any sense. Like it's, it's like, like, look, man, I don't know. I like, I want everyone's,

everyone to have a happy marriage or a happy life or a happy whatever, you know, success in their career. Hey, I hope everyone does well. Right. But like I would never say to somebody else, Hey, if your marriage falls apart, my marriage falls apart too. I'm tied right there with you. You know, like I want to be, if, if your wife cheats on you, then I'll take that as a, as a, they cheated on all of us or something like that. It's like, this just does not make any sense.

We don't want to be in these entangling alliances. This is how you never stop fighting wars. When you decide you're going to inherit the problems of everyone all around the world. Like, I don't know, there's a bunch of small States that used to be a Soviet satellites that are now quasi independent or American sock puppets or whatever. There's these little states next to Russia

and they got to deal with that. Yeah, that sucks. I don't know. A lot of them are concerned about that. This is always every debate that I have on this topic. It's always like the retort from the people who have been pushing this war. Like, well, why do you think it is

that all the Baltic states wanted to join NATO? What? Yeah, obviously, because they got Russia next to them and they'd love a big superpower to guarantee their security. But that doesn't mean that it's in our interest to do that. And so what's great about this happening, why I think this is such a positive ultimately,

is that maybe what Donald Trump said at the end there ends up being the final thing. Hey, I guess it's impossible to do business with this guy. Okay, so how about this? No mineral deal, no security guarantee, you get nothing. Why is that so crazy? How about you get nothing? Okay, we will negotiate with Vladimir Putin to a peaceful resolution to this war and you will fucking take it. Because what are you going to do? Nothing.

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it and then Europe steps in and goes, well, we'll back the effort. Just be done with all of it. I'm not gonna go read up on what even the propaganda pitch is for NATO, which I assume it's less people are spending money on arms and we've got allies, but I look at the charts of how much money we're spending on essentially European security defense, and I don't understand it.

It's face value. I can't give you a gut shot like, oh, that makes sense. It certainly doesn't understand it. Oh, yeah. Face value. I can't give you a gut shot. Like, oh, that makes sense. It certainly doesn't seem practical. Yeah. What was the, um, I always, uh, blank on the title of this piece, but I want to, uh, let me see if I can pull it up, uh, right now, but the bill Buckley piece. Um, cause I, it's.

Totalit. Oh, what was it? Totalitarian bureaucracy. Yeah. What's the Natalie, I'm sorry. I can't multitask for shit, but can you just look up Bill Buckley totalitarian bureaucracy and see what's the first hit that you get on that? Because this is like, by the way, it's the same.

Cause when you say like, what is the official propaganda for what NATO even is? Okay, there we go. Yeah. Yes, this is it. It was. Oh, what was it? Sorry. Right wing critics of Americans. Yeah, no, I'm sure it was. Oh, yeah, yeah. It's called I got it right there. It's called the party and the deep blue sea, which was a piece that Buckley wrote in 1952. So if you think this is 1952, this is seven years after a world war two wrapped up now the, but so anyway, but the two things are somewhat similar, but in this piece,

Bill Buckley, essentially, uh, he starts out by arguing that essentially libertarians are right. That he's like, listen, you know, libertarianism. I mean, I don't think he would have called it that because that wasn't the term at the time. But he was basically like, look, you guys are right. The people who believe in individual liberty and limited government, you guys are correct. And he says some beautiful things like the first paragraph or two, you'd be like, Oh my God, is this guy an anarcho capitalist? Like, he's just like, he's totally one

of us. And so he's talking about he's like, listen, the greatest battle in human history is between tyranny and liberty. The greatest instrument of tyranny is the state. And this is why we always you know, good conservatives always support the most restrained government you possibly can get. If the government is totally restrained, then make sure you restrain it some more because it is the instrument of tyranny and all of this. And then there's the, but then his, but is, but other government, see, we got this Soviet union. And since there's the Soviet Union,

I mean, I understand what you libertarians are talking about, but here you have the biggest experiment in totalitarian government, the government running everything, and they're hell bent on world domination. And so, listen, as much as it sucks, the only thing that can stand up to this threat is a government military. And so even though we really don't want to

do any of this, we have to build up a huge military to roll back the threat of statism. And he even says in the article, which is why we got this from, um, from Googling, uh, totalitarian bureaucracy, because that's the, um, the, uh, the line that he has, let me see if I could, uh, find it here. Um, but he says, he literally says that we need to create a totalitarian bureaucracy within our own shores. Now, again, if you could get past how fucking retarded that argument is, it's literally

like it's, it's like saying that there's a guy outside with a gun threatening to shoot me in the face. And so I have to shoot myself in the face with my own gun. Like if you're creating a totalitarian bureaucracy in order to prevent a totalitarian bureaucracy from taking you over, then you you've already lost by definition. Right. Uh, so anyway, the argument made no sense. Bill Buckley is a very smart guy. He was not that stupid.

He was just working for the CIA and his job was to convince conservatives to support big military. Um, so anyway, uh, but, but so from my from this is just my point to you about I'm getting to my point about the NATO propaganda. But so so essentially just so people understand the Cold War propaganda was that we're only doing this because of the Soviet Union. We would not be libertarians. We want to just love liberty and prosperity and be a peaceful normal country. But there's the Soviet Union, so we have to do all of this. And then in 1989, the Berlin Wall comes down, there's reunification in Germany, the cold war ends. And so then all of those neo conservatives were like, okay, no more military industrial complex,

no more going around the world searching for monsters to destroy. Now we can once again embrace Liberty and small go. Oh no, that's right. They were like, Hey, we got to go see about Saddam Hussein. He's in a slant drilling conflict with his neighbor, Kuwait. You know, we had to go protect the democracy of Kuwait. So we had that and this is when they ramped up the first war, uh, under George HW Bush, the first war in Iraq, the first, the first war, American war of my lifetime. I was a little kid.

I was like seven or eight or something like that. What was it? It was in 91. I was born in 83. So I was eight. I do. I remember George HW Bush announcing that we were invading on TV, interrupted like the Simpsons or whatever. It's like, come on, let me get back to the Simpsons. Anyway, my point is if you likewise, if you had listened to the propaganda, the official propaganda for 40 years during the Cold War, they would have told you that if the Soviet Union went away,

NATO was, would also disband the official propaganda. There was no, there was never any justification for why we would have NATO if there wasn't a Soviet Union. The whole point of NATO was to be an anti-Soviet military alliance. And essentially what happened, right, was that after World War II, all of Europe was destroyed and the big victors who came out of it was America and Russia and the Soviet Union at the time. And now, okay, you could say England also won the war, but England was fucking wrecked.

Um, so the Soviet satellites were all destroyed. Russia itself had taken heavy fighting. America was kind of the only country who fought in world war two, but did all the fighting abroad. The fighting wasn't here. I mean, with Pearl Harbor out there, which really still isn't mainland, the United States of America, but aside from the attack on Pearl Harbor, there were no attacks here.

And so the thinking was, I'm not even saying this is justified, but the thinking was, okay, Europe is destroyed. The Soviet Union is this big superpower right here next to Europe. And so we have to like, okay, we'll accept that they get the eastern half of Europe, but we're going to guarantee for the western half that if you guys move on this side, you're picking a fight with America.

Okay, well, that's all over after 1991 that the Soviet Union doesn't exist anymore. And all those Eastern European countries got their independence What's the justification for NATO now? If you ask anyone and I've asked several people you just get a bunch of googly gock like it'll just be like the global community and working together and ensuring peace keeping the peace and promoting You know, whatever it's like they have nothing. There is no reason for us to be a part of NATO whatsoever. We're not under post-World War II conditions.

Europe has not been destroyed by a war and they're poor and we're the only rich country. Europe is rich. There's a bunch of rich countries in Europe. They can pay for their own defense. Vladimir Putin, as of right now, the latest estimate I saw is that Russia has about a two trillion dollar GDP. Understand that's how big and scary Russia is. Their entire GDP is less than a third of what our government spends every year. Forget our entire

economy. There is no reason why Europe can't just have their own security plans that don't involve us And by the way, we're 36 trillion dollars in debt. We can't really afford to pick up everybody's security anymore and the idea that we're gonna Not only pick up their security, but the security of the most further like we're not even talking about the original NATO plan most further. Like we're not even talking about the original NATO plan. This is never guaranteeing security for Poland, let alone Ukraine. They were talking about, we didn't even guarantee security for East Germany. It was from the Elbe River West was what we guaranteed when the Soviet union existed. And you're telling me now when there is no communism,

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Listen, there's been a big charade of endless money that's available for everyone all the time, courtesy of the Fed that gives us the system of wealth that doesn't actually exist. And I wonder if we actually have a splintering where we go, hey, we're not doing this NATO thing anymore. And then all of a sudden, Europe goes broke because they're responsible for their own security. And you end up with some big worldwide financial depression because the signal of Endless money which that bill will come due at some point. There's gonna be austerity nationwide

I mean worldwide because that money just you don't you can't endlessly print money I wonder if that if that's kind of what I don't usually use this term But almost the globalists are contending with is that America is going hey We don't want to spend money everywhere for everyone all the time. We're running up too much debt. This isn't going to work long term. And one of the easy things to kind of get out of

might be security guarantees for the entire world, because that doesn't make a lot of sense, particularly when the rest of the world is talking us into fights that we don't want to be in. In this case, it's Zelensky trying to get American support to continue the Ukraine war and then Europe stepping in really contending with what looks like our budget because they got us back in them through NATO.

So I guess they can go pick the fight, which just keeps us in the fight, which is why we need to walk away. But it would seem to me like the biggest risk on the table there might be, uh, Europe not actually being able to fund it and then signaling the issues that have kind of been in the financial sector forever. Yeah. Well, it is, um, it has an interesting kind of way to look at it. And there's no, you know, I mean, I guess I would disagree that it's like,

it's not that austerity is guaranteed in the future, but it's there's limited choices, so it's, there's limited choices. So it's, I think there's essentially three. There is austerity, that is the moderate position. Then there are, there is default and hyperinflation. Those are your other options. Default would probably have to come with austerity measures after it.

I don't think you... Well, I think technically it's not... I think technically that wouldn't be austerity, but I get your point. It would in effect be the same thing. So you in effect have to have drastic cuts in spending. I just mean that it's like you wouldn't necessarily... You wouldn't have to like, um, you know, it wouldn't be a situation of like, we owe this debt and therefore we have to cut down on these programs to pay off this debt.

It would more just be like, Oh, we don't have any debt anymore because we just defaulted on all of that debt. And Oh, we can't borrow money at the same rate anymore because no one's going to lend us money after we just defaulted on the debt. And so yeah, there's no money for these programs. It's, it's in effect basically, I think the same thing. Um, but I did want to read this before we wrap up today. And then I guess, you know, we could even save some of the, uh,

the media reaction to all of this for, for next time. Cause I don't think we're really going to have time to enjoy it as much as it deserves to be, uh, enjoyed. But Tucker Carlson posted this, um, and I found this to be very interesting. And to be clear, you know, there's all of the stuff that I kind of specialize in when it comes to like, uh, foreign policy stuff. Um, it's never and, and even someone like say Scott Horton, who he does have, and and I guess this this just comes from being in the game for a Long time. I mean, I know I've gotten like a little bit of this now from from being in this world for a while Where you actually do have like some insiders, you know

You have people who are like like close to the president who you'll have a phone call with and they'll be like hey this just Happened or this just happened and you start getting like some more call with and they'll be like, Hey, this just happened or this just happened. And you start getting like some more, but none of what I ever, if you look at any of my clips on Rogan or on Tucker or any of that, that's never what I'm saying. I'm never going like, look, I know people at the Pentagon and they're telling me this, I know someone who's there. That's no, I'm always just talking about what is just the official record. You know what I mean?

Like, it's just like, Oh look, even the New York Times and the Washington Post admitted this and even the four star general, Wesley Clark admitted this and even these guys. And then we all know we did this, but they wrote this policy paper that said, this is really the reason they're doing it. What Tucker's talking about here is a little bit more of, you know, cause he isn't,

he's an insider in a different type of way. The guy lived in Washington, DC for I think 30 years or something like that was a you know a journalist a TV host and you know ran a Newton online publication is you know, he was in DC like mixed in with these people. But anyway, so this was a The post that I wanted to just read real quick. This was from Tucker Carlson post that I wanted to just read real quick. This was from Tucker Carlson. Tucker says, one of the most striking things about yesterday's Zelensky press conference was Lindsey Graham's reaction to it. The two are old friends, but Graham

disavowed him within the hour. This was more than just transactional disloyalty. It was scapegoating. Lindsey Graham knows what's coming. Over the past three years with the tacit support of its Western patrons, the Ukrainian government has committed a remarkable number of serious crimes. The Ukrainians sold huge quantities of American weapons on the international black market at 20 cents on the dollar. These weapons are now in the hands of armed groups around the world, including Hamas, the Mexican drug cartels, and the forces now controlling Syria. God knows what the Ukrainians have done with the pathogens in American bio labs in their

country. Even US intel agencies aren't sure. The Ukrainians have also murdered a number of people in various countries in political assassinations and tried to murder others, including, uh, American journalists and a European head of state. This is all true and it's all going to come out at some point. Better to start blaming it on Zelinsky now. So that's what Tucker's saying.

And I will say that I, I know Tucker well enough, um, that like, I know Tucker well enough, um, that like, um, I'll say with like a hundred percent certainty that Tucker isn't just saying this. Now I'm not, I'm not saying with a hundred percent certainty that he's right about every claim in there. I just don't know. Um, but I do know, like I know him and I know that he's not just saying he's saying this because this is what he's hearing from people who are in the know. Um, and that is just a whole nother,

very interesting wrinkle into all of this, that it is quite possible because it was a little bit strange to hearing Lindsey, Lindsey Graham throws a Linsky under the bus right away. Now you could argue that this is just that Lindsey Graham's like, look, I want to keep this war going. And now that this guy pissed off Donald Trump so far, he cannot be the guy to keep the war going. So we need a new guy to come in who flatters Donald Trump

and then can keep the war going. But it is also quite possible that, like, look, I mean, I'm sure like you too, Rob, like I've heard the rumors about a lot of this stuff. I don't know exactly how true some of it is or any of it, but it is interesting that, I mean, look, when you just know the nature of governments and then particularly, you know, the nature of wartime governments,

and then you know the amount of money that's being flooded over there, there are, I say there's almost no question that there are serious crimes and huge scandals that have been committed that just haven't come out yet and that is another interesting wrinkle into all of this to see like what we might learn now And now that Trump has given, you know, the majority of Americans who support Donald Trump kind of given them license to be like, no, fuck this guy. Now it might be open season on revealing some of this stuff and then being able

to blame it on Zelensky, even though there's probably a lot more people who are guilty than just, uh, Voldemir All right, any any other thoughts Rob or you want to call it a show look forward to the next one and we can look At the all the senators the liberal senators getting on the news shows to go Donald Trump's we told you He's a Putin asset and that's why he turned on Zelensky and this is an embarrassment for the American people so oh my god that would be the card and uh who knew that they would actually pick it up and play it yeah all the way down to Bernie Sanders oh my god it's so painful all right we'll get into all of

that on uh on tomorrow's episode all right check out the run your mouth podcast rob's other fantastic show comic dave smith.com come see us on the road Buffalo Canada Boston coming up real soon alright thanks for listening guys catch you next time peace.